Photography, Jiu Jitsu, and Hustle with Curtis Graham

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So, Les Brown would always say he's got a quote. He

(00:02):
says, the how is none of yourbusiness. Mhmm. Like, just get
up and just do the work that'sin front of

Speaker 2 (00:08):
you.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Yeah. Just keep doing the work, and the how will come
about. So it's kinda the sameconversation you were having
with your boy. Look. I don'tknow how I'm gonna get to this
this place, and I don't evenreally know what this place is.
Right? Maybe it's a maybe it's asuburban and a house.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
But I know that I'm just gonna keep working. Gonna
see the work every day. I'mgonna do the work every day, and
the house is gonna start tounfold. Yo.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Welcome to the Fuel Hunt Show.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
What is going on, Eagles? I am your host today,
Drew. Joined by my well, firstof all, welcome to the Fuel Hunt
Show.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Welcome to the Fuel Hunt Show, everybody.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Joined by my cousin and cofounder, Joey.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
I still get to keep my job.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
And also, triple OG of the FuHunt community.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah. I like that.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Personal friend, great friend with that imparts
wisdom on me daily. PhotographFuqua photographer, family man,
husband, father, leader, andsomeone to look up to. Mhmm. And
also there's a blue collar man,we'll say.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Very blue collar man.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Living the Fuqua Hunt lifestyle. Yep. Curtis Graham,
welcome to the Fuel Hunt Show.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
What's up dawgs?

Speaker 1 (01:11):
What's up? Good to have here.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
How about time?

Speaker 1 (01:13):
It's good to have you

Speaker 2 (01:14):
here, man. I'm so used to having headphones on and
hearing myself.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yeah. I even

Speaker 2 (01:18):
think that's little bit high. Go ahead. Me bring it
down.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
A podcast. Yeah? Yeah. More famous podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Brady Bagg Show. Make sure y'all subscribe. Listen, as
we move through Just plug, plug,Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Potentially a more famous podcast than

Speaker 1 (01:32):
we are. I think so, actually. We're trying. We're
trying. More famous and probablybetter, actually.
True. Both both arenas. Kurt

Speaker 3 (01:40):
doesn't know he misses calling as a as a
podcaster and and a host.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
I'm doing it. I'm I'm I'm Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Me tell you a little story. Two people that I went to
high school with, right, raninto Kurt randomly over the
past, like, three years or so.Right? Just randomly.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
And I

Speaker 1 (01:56):
don't I think they recognize you. You or you had
Fuel Hunt on. Mhmm. And thesepeople sent me DMs, they were
like, I just met Kurt. And I'mlike and they dude, like, the
all the I could tell from thethe the text.
They were just in they were justin awe and inspired. What a nice
guy. So courteous.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Courtesy. Dude.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Courtesy, dude. So down to earth, like, raving
about Kurt. So he's missed hiscalling. And I

Speaker 2 (02:23):
think you were gonna

Speaker 3 (02:24):
say Were they like were they like, and your
partner, Drew,

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Well, they don't know. I wish I knew you were
talking about because yeah. Onewas met

Speaker 3 (02:32):
when I told to Kurt.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah. I think you you met her maybe on the playground
or something.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Okay. Oh, yeah. I met him while I was at the
playground with kids. I doremember meeting a guy, and he
was his his neighbor, somebodywas there, whatever. Yeah.
I do remember that, I don't knowthe other person. Yeah. I'm glad
I got that feedback becauselike, I really do take that
serious,

Speaker 3 (02:50):
like,

Speaker 2 (02:50):
that encounter. Mhmm. That's why I just did, when we
did our pictures, I I alwaystell people, when I die, you're
not gonna be able to find apicture, not smiling. I'm
jovial, man. It's like, it comesto meeting people, I take that
encounter as, hope this personremembered.
If it was just a second, it wasjust me holding the door.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yep. Leave them better than your hope

Speaker 2 (03:06):
they remember, like, you remember that, I guess,
black dude. Dude. Leave himbetter than your Yeah. Was a

Speaker 3 (03:13):
really big black nice dude. You know what mean?

Speaker 2 (03:15):
So I think about that though, like for everybody, not
just from like a racialstandpoint, but just saying like
for everybody, like everyencounter you have, like be
memorable. You know what mean?

Speaker 1 (03:23):
For sure. For sure.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Or you'll forgotten. That's how I look at it.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
I feel like you are you said jovial. I think that's
a I think that's a good word todescribe I

Speaker 2 (03:30):
lean into it. I'm joking.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
I think a lot of times when people meet somebody
Mhmm. Like that that's jovial,they think, oh, well, this guy's
got it, like, easy. Like, youknow what I mean? I think people
are inclined to think that,like, oh, he walks around that
happy so so much that thingsjust must be easy for him.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
It's a choice. Yay. I think it's a choice to just live
in the light. Right? Like like,live in it.
You know what I mean? Like, youcan live in those clouds or you
can live find that good spot.There's a good spot everywhere.
It could be raining all over,but there is somewhere where you

Speaker 1 (03:58):
can You might

Speaker 2 (03:59):
in the eye. Right?

Speaker 1 (03:59):
You might be in the eye

Speaker 2 (04:00):
as Living the dog. Living the dog. Dog. Never and
never ever, like, show people.You know what mean?
If you're having a hard timeswith it, like, sometimes I say
fake it till you make it. That'show I look at it. You never know
when I'm having a good day or abad day. Fake it till you make
it. Like like, you'll never knowwith my kids, with whatever,
they don't know if we're doinggood, bad, they'll never know.
Yeah. Because I'm always goingto seem like and that's not a
you're not suppressing it ornothing like that. It's just,

(04:21):
I'm choosing to look stronguntil I feel strong. So that's
how I am with every day I wakeup. You don't know.
I'll just argue with my wife.Not arguing with me.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
I'm trying to

Speaker 2 (04:31):
get a motorcycle and then we just had this whole

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Wait, you're trying

Speaker 2 (04:34):
to get a motorcycle? Come on, man. It's it's it's the
last

Speaker 1 (04:36):
thing I really want. No.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
No. I'm I had a sports bike back in the day. I'm
going back to a cruiser

Speaker 3 (04:40):
and Okay.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Come on, man. Relax. Get get on with your show. Get
on with your show, man. Don'ttalk real personal.
Oh, man.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Good thing. Don't think Millie Mill listens a few
on shows, so I'd be like

Speaker 2 (04:50):
She gonna listen to this one.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah. I know.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
She is. She is. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Well, in that case, I think it's a bad idea that
you're getting a bike, Kurt.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
You should not. I think you should throw that
dream

Speaker 3 (04:58):
in If I have list of things Kurt doesn't need in his
life right now,

Speaker 2 (05:02):
like, Nah, man. I'm mature. It's it's it's it's
material thing, but it'ssomething that I just I've been
wanting back in my life orwhatever. You work hard, man.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
You work hard.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
I I do. I do. It's it is a time and a place. She may
be a little bit right, but atthe same time, sometimes.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
What I

Speaker 2 (05:14):
would like Like a spell

Speaker 1 (05:15):
on that. That was good.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
What I would like for to come from this episode is
some of the wisdom that Kurtimparts on me on a daily basis.
Uh-huh. Like, Kurt is a yearolder than me.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
For some reason You're year head.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
But for some reason, we have conversations like he's
my wise sage in life, and itmakes me think about things from
the perspective that I sometimesam lacking. So maybe the few now
will be able to understand wheresome of my wisdom comes from.
But, anyway

Speaker 1 (05:41):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
I have a old soul, man.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah. That That's what it comes from. Just old
soul.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
That's the truth.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Old soul and just wise people that I've
encountered. Mhmm. You know whatmean? My uncles, my grandmother,
my mother. Yep.
You take the same things theygiven you and you just give it
to others. It worked for me.Seemed like we cut from the same
cloth. So it was like, I'm justpassing off to you to see if it
helps you because this thoughtprocess helped me.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
So And I I was telling Joey before the show,
like, lot of times, like, wejust end up talking about
things. And then other times,you'll call me and you'll be
yeah. What do think about this?

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Like, you

Speaker 3 (06:09):
know I mean? So it it go it just goes back to rule
number 11 of the few. Mhmm. Doyou know what that is, Kurt? You
are who you hunt with.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Actually, rule number 11 is for sure the dignity of
hard work.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
No. It's you are the hunt. You are you are

Speaker 2 (06:22):
who you hunt Always thinks that I like like, one day
a poster go up and we'll betalking that same day. He like,
yeah. What'd you read the postfrom today? And I'd be like, no.
Like, if

Speaker 1 (06:32):
you got it, it's in me.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Right? If you don't got it, you don't got it.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
You're like,

Speaker 2 (06:37):
it's on me and it's in me. I don't need to know all
the rules. In some way, theyprobably already exist in my own
life.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah. One or 11? You are your homemade.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
My bad. My bad. I changed it. Yeah. Changed it.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Rules on here? 11.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Technically, 10.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Bonus. Yeah. Eleven's bonus. Going back to choices,
though, you were saying it's achoice to be jovial and be happy
to live in light instead ofbeing burned by darkness. I
think it's also a choice toabsorb the wisdom that you come
across from other people.
Because a lot of people, maybethey don't wanna hear it, or
they just let it pass. Theydon't realize how much of a gift
it is. So the fact that you'reable to make that choice to

(07:12):
absorb it, and then not only useit for yourself, but serve
others with it and giving it toDrew Mhmm. Testament to, you
know, to who you are.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
You I'll probably say this, like, 10 times today, but,
like, my mom would always say,like, you know, you're never too
old to learn and never too youngto teach. So and, you know, it
just kinda puts you in thatstudent spot a lot where it's
like, it doesn't matter who youare, how much experience you
got. Like, I'm always willing tobe a student Yep. To something.
I could be the more seasonedphotographer in the room, but if
I like this kid's work andwhatever, like, show me what you

(07:42):
know.
Like you know? So it was justlike with anything, that life
Mhmm. Just I tell everybodyagain, I've learned more from
fools than I did from successfulpeople. I've learned what to not
to do in life just from lookingat people make mistakes. My mom,
drugs, stuff like that.
Like, know, she's she's openabout it, whatever. But, you
know, I never no drugs, neversmoked weed, never did, went

(08:05):
down that road because it's likeI kinda just learned, like, that
is just not a great path to go.My dad, streets. You get what
I'm saying? Where it's like, notgoing to street rule, lost him
half my childhood, you know whatmean, to the streets and stuff
like that.
Yeah. And, you just learn fromfools more than you learn from
successful people. So you haveto be willing to get the lesson
from wherever you can get itfrom. Yeah. Right?
And if you're open to that, it'skinda just You learn

Speaker 1 (08:27):
a lot. This culture nowadays, everybody and it's
important. It's important tohave somebody that's further
along, or it's important to havesomebody that's living a life
you wanna live in your circle.Like but everybody in this
culture, they're looking for thecoach, the mentor, the this, the
that, when really they'reoverlooking a lot of lessons

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
That are currently in their social circle. They're
they're so and, you know, I'mnot advocating for, like,
keeping people that are teachingyou the wrong lessons in your
social circle too long. Mhmm.But, like, there are lessons
there. Like, you know what Imean?
There's lessons to be learned.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah. Think every everywhere everywhere there,
there's a lesson to learn from.So I try to just stay open to
that.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Well, you might not be a famous athlete or like
Don't forget that. Oh my God.Dude, the only guy I've ever met
that wears his, his high school.We FaceTime him one time. He is
wearing his high school letterat 35 years old.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
It's my smoker's jacket.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
I'm like, dude, you gotta retire

Speaker 2 (09:18):
the Sometimes

Speaker 1 (09:18):
you have probably look good on them

Speaker 3 (09:20):
still, Look.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
We when we wanted to chip back in the day, we all
knew. We said get it biggerbecause we're gonna be bigger
men when we grow up. So now I'mI'm like in my my days where the
jacket actually fits with a

Speaker 1 (09:31):
hoodie. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
So yeah. I still have my leg, but it's hanging in my
closet where each other

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Did you win the championship? Your best response
ever was some of us peak at highschool. He said that to me. He
was like, well, Kurt, some of uspeak at high school.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Simon still wears his?

Speaker 2 (09:44):
He has it. Simon got more chips than me. I think
Simon got three rings, threethree chips. Churchwatch High
School is a shout out to thealumni.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Did you guys really get rings?

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Hell yeah. They're like little cough drops. His
probably better than mine. Minewas like the cough drop one. His
was probably like a little bitmore whatever.
But I'm almost sure Simon eithergot two or three jackets. What?
Yeah, dawg. We set it up.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Is he smoking his too?

Speaker 2 (10:05):
He might. He might. I'm I'm not sure. He hadn't even
smoking it too long. It'scigars.
I'm a big cigar guy. Yeah. LikeKoshana. Y'all ain't smoke a
cigar on this show.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah. I smoked Will.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Oh, you did? I was watching that. I did. Yeah. Did.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
First one

Speaker 3 (10:16):
I had,

Speaker 1 (10:16):
like, ten

Speaker 2 (10:17):
years Don't don't say that on ear. You don't know how

Speaker 3 (10:19):
to wear it. Of us are built different. So

Speaker 2 (10:23):
It's me and I will never mind.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
We're we're only ten minutes in. Give him another ten
minutes. There's never mind.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
They're gonna disappear, and he's just gonna
let him I'm not saying thatstory over. It's very No.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
You're good. You're You're I'm not.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
My bad.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Get serious. Get serious.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
I'm not I'm being myself, man. I'm not I'm not
about to be this this No. As youshould.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
As you I mean, coach John roasted the both of us.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Oh, no.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah. I got the light end of the stick. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
You got a heavy boy.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah. I'm I'm no I'm no stranger to roast, but it's
funny we talk a lot about Bradyon this road. I'd like, being an
athlete, but with the realathletes are you and Simon.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
For a weird the ideal male body.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
We should've yeah. The peak physique, dude.
Alright. So can we go through alittle bit of a journey of,
like, like and I say successfulin the sense of, like Mhmm. A
family man, a hard worker, donethe business thing.
I, obviously, photography isbusiness. Like Mhmm. You've
accomplished. While they may notbe on the biggest stages or you
can't say you're a Yeah.Entrepreneur or whatever, but,

(11:24):
like, you're living the dream.
Like, in my in my eyes, like,like, the same as we are. Like,
this is the dream. Like, we'redoing what we love with who we
love. We have wives and childrenthat love us and and run up to
us and give us hugs when we wecome home every day.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Mhmm.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
I would like to just go through the journey if we
could of, little Kurt. I mean, Idid Millie Mill posted a picture
of them back in the day. Like,she looks the same as as the
high school pictures. Yeah. AndKurt just like, fell off.
I don't know what happened.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
I'm a truck driver.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
And and I'm like, yeah. What happened? He's like,
yeah. Million Mill is a

Speaker 2 (12:00):
truck driver, bro. My God.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
All right. So like, can you just bring us to the
upbringing? Like, was it? Andagain, you're one of the best
people I know. Like, not evennot even.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Thank you, man. I

Speaker 3 (12:10):
don't like to gas you up too much, but to be serious,
you're a great guy. Greatfriend. In my opinion, great
husband, father, whatever. Wasit was the path to becoming that
an easy one or better from yourperspective, was it better than
most? Like, can you take usthrough the journey of, like,
how you become that person andhow you even desire to be that

(12:31):
person?
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (12:32):
I have the typical, and I say typical because it's
so common, inner city upbringingAfrican American story for the
most part. And and of thenineties at least. Right? So to
put in perspective, everybody onmy block was raised by their
mother or their grandmother.There was one person who had

(12:55):
their real dad.
Everybody else either hadstepfathers or no fathers. And
and I'm saying that just to letyou know that that is typical.
Right?

Speaker 3 (13:01):
That's real. That's the

Speaker 2 (13:02):
realest way I can put it. Like I'm from not too far
from 20 Fifth in Allegheny'swhere I grew up. Eventually we
moved to Oxford Circle. But Ihad the difference between my
story and maybe some others iseither the fact that I had
thriving parents that tried andwanted better, knew better. My
mom grew up in Mountain Area.
Patty LaBelle was literally grewup on my mom's block. She's from

(13:22):
Philomena Street. That's right.Yep. Patty LaBelle had a big
house on the corner.
My mom said she had so manytoys. We would try to go in her
yard. Really? Yep. PhilomenaStreet.
Patty LaBelle from like MountAiry uptown area somewhere. But
my mom actually grew up likemiddle class. Her father was my
grandfather passed away, gotrest his soul, was a
correctional officer. And herstepfather, who she lived with

(13:45):
with my grandma, was a policeofficer. So they grew up very
middle class in a thrivingcommunity.
Sure. So my mom knew better.Right? She's she's seen better.
Right?
She just just when she began herown life, it took its course and
you end up where you end up.Yeah. But where my memory
starts, like, it's like 1994 orsomething like that. Ninety
four, ninety five. We live inNorth Philly.

(14:07):
I got my mom. I got my brothers.And I got my stepdad who I don't
I don't even call him stepdad.I'm saying that for a purpose of
understanding. But I have mystepdad who is the father figure
of my life, and that's wherelife is.
So we're we're a regular we'rereg we're I say regular because
that's that's common. We're aregular family on this block and

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Whatever. So but when it comes to like the lessons,
the learning, like I'm justwatching at this point, like I'm
growing up. And when I say I canname things, but again, they're
they're not they're not unique.They're normal. I'm talking
about like shootouts and allthat stuff.
Like it's normal in certainneighborhoods. It's normal.
Drugs, roaches, like it'spoverty. We're we're in poverty

(14:48):
where I start. But it doesn'tfeel like it.
My mom has never been someonewho makes it feel like we are
down and out. Christmas wasalways lit. Right? You know, we
ate dollar hoagies and all, youknow what mean? Like we weren't
the bummiest of bum kids orwhatever.
We had the typical upbringing.You know what mean? So I don't

(15:09):
glorify it. I don't care towhatever. I think if you know,
you know, if you don't, maybeit's just a different side of
America that or whatever thatyou can understand.
But that's where it kind ofbegins. I'm growing up there,
but I'm watching my parentsthrive. I watched my mom go from
working at Elaine's bar, PikeStreet bar, boom. Now she's
working at Coastal Gas Station,boom. Now she's at Terminix.

(15:30):
Boom. Now she's at Comcast. Iwatched my dad go from working
Sneaker Stadium, y'all probablyremember that, it's back in the
nineties, Sneaker Stadium tosomewhere else, then boom, he's
working at St. Joe's Universityas a security guard, right? So,
I'm watching them thrive, I'mwatching them work, I'm watching
them making the best of whatthey, you know, got.
I'm learning people thriving,you know what mean? You're just

(15:52):
watching. Yeah, Moving to youslowly. Growing. Surely, surely,
surely, I had three brothers,had a stepbrother, used to come
around a lot.
He lived in Vegas now, we don'tgot the best relationship like
we used to, but it's my brother,you know what mean? We grew up
like that. Yep. My biologicalfather, like I he was a street
guy. Street guy, committed anoffense, went to jail, murder.

(16:14):
Yeah. I don't have my dad from'92 to '99. But, the person I
look like, laugh like, walklike, talk like, but I got my
grandmother, his mother. And,she really bridged the gap for
us to like stay connected. So,that's who was taking us up to
the prisons and doing all thatstuff.
Right. But either way, that's myWas your

Speaker 1 (16:29):
grandmother in your home with you?

Speaker 2 (16:31):
My grandmother lived, no, she lived Stanton Avenue.
Not too far away, but she livedon Stanton Avenue. Okay. And
that's the reality. I got mygrandparents.
I got my parents. To me, life isfine. Like, because you're
looking around when you whenyou're in a situation like that,
like, everybody's life kind oflooks the same. Everybody looks
everybody where's your dad? Orwhere's your locked up?

(16:51):
Dead? It's it's the same story.So it's nothing sometimes when I
see things me and John was justtalking about this last night,
it's like, it's not that we coldor it's not that whatever, it's
just like, I know real. I waslike, some of the stuff you see
people going through, it's notreal. Yeah.
Like, it's not nothing to reallybe bent out of shape. Like, your
life wasn't that bad. You knowwhat I mean? But and my and I'm
not saying mine was either. Idon't even like looking at as a

(17:13):
crutch because I look at where Iam now, I was like, you know
what?
If I can do it, others can doit. But I also don't believe
that if I can do it, everybodycan do it. I think statistics
and numbers are a thing. They'rereal, and everybody won't make
it. That's the reality of likepoverty in certain situations.
Not everybody will make it.That's why you have to separate
yourself from the everybody.Yeah. You know what mean? You
gotta do something different.
You want something different, dosomething different, right?

(17:34):
Yeah. Yeah, for So, that's kindof where it kind of begins. But
again, back to it, thriving,moving on up slowly but surely,
jobs are getting better,commitments are getting better.
And, I think one day, I'll neverforget my mom came home.
My mom came home and the carbattery got stolen for the last
time and she was out on theblock loud. We lived like, North
Philly is like row home. So it'slike every house is connected

(17:56):
all the way down the street. Andshe was like, she on the block,
Treba. She opened up, she go tostart the car, can't figure it
out.
And she like, that's it. Hadenough of this.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
She was

Speaker 2 (18:05):
like, a year for this day, I'm out of here. Right? And
literally, a year from that day,one day we woke up, my mom was
just like, we moving. We'releaving. Moving up to Oxford
Circle.
When I moved to that block, itwas nothing but the fire marshal
living on our block, Mr.Gardner.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
North East.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Greater north it was the Great Northeast. And I
couldn't well, like, we got upthere. It was it was just blue
collar. Septibus, miss Brandy,fire marshal, miss Dougherty,
three other police officers. Itwas just thriving middle class
people.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
You're like, we're rich.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
53,000 at house calls at that time. Right? It

Speaker 3 (18:40):
was shit rich.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
My mom had just got a new car right after we moved in.
Like, it was like, I was like,yo, we really like out

Speaker 1 (18:46):
there. We we It's so, crazy. We had I was at Castor
And Erie. Yeah. So I lived therefor up until third grade, and we
had the same moment where ourcar got broken into three times
for one week.
And I remember my my mom and mydad saying, that's it.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
We out here, right?

Speaker 1 (19:06):
We're out. Like, that's it. We're out. Like, it
can't

Speaker 2 (19:08):
It's a catalyst moment for you sometimes. That's
it. Yep.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
You know? And I I remember that moment and
thinking, like, wait. Like, Iwas still getting beat up on the
way to school, but still, like,it was kinda, like, my thing.
Like Yeah. Picoli was around thecorner, like, the rec center and
everything.
And I I remember that moment,man. It was the same type of
thing. We're out of here. Thenshortly later, you know, a year
later or so, we were out. Andsame thing, great Northeast.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Great Northeast, man. Because people don't know, man.
We live in Philly. Like, whenyou live anywhere lower than
Adams In The Boulevard, at leastback in that time, man, you come
up there to go to like OldCountry Buffet. Yeah.
Yeah. Was like a that was likeit. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (19:42):
It felt like a different world.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
It did, bro. It did. All the shops, like Walmart was
up there, Home Depot was upthere. It was like, it was
great, you know? So it was just,that's part of my wanting
better.
Get to know better, seeingbetter, seeing my parents do
better is like, maybe theycouldn't take us all the way to
the top, but they showed uslike, if you work hard for it,
if you, you know, dedicateyourself to that drive and that

(20:05):
mission, like you can get thereeven if it seems realistic or
not.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
So,

Speaker 2 (20:09):
that's part of the part that begins to make me.
Summerdale, moved to Summerdale,Great. Everything goes well. I
think the real start of grind,grit, get into it, it's like we
graduate. And we've known sincewe were younger that like when

(20:31):
we graduate, and this is this,again, this is nothing special.
This is very typical whenespecially like minorities or
whatever. A lot of people getput out at like 18, man. 18, you
got to go figure it out. You gotto get out there and get to it.
It seems like a I don'tnecessarily agree anymore
because my life, my children'slife is different.
But, the way that we grew up,it's like, you're either going

(20:53):
be a statistic like a lot ofother people who just grew, did
nothing, lived at home with theparents and stuff like that, did
nothing. Or it's like for us, itwas like, yo, you gotta get out
there. You have to start getting

Speaker 1 (21:03):
to it. It's time.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Right? You gotta start getting to it. So I I even
going back to playing football,man, I was I I remember I was
playing football, doing well. Iremember I got nominated for the
all pub game and they was like,yo, you got all pub, this and
blah, blah. I like, gonna play?
I said, I said, I gotta work.I'm working at Mickey D's. I
gotta flip these burgers, baby.I can't take no day off from
work. You know what I mean?

(21:24):
So I was like, I work. Get, youknow, I move out in September.
I'm, you know, I got to Nowgranted, it wasn't like
homeless. It was where we livedin North Philly. My mom never
got rid of that house.
And it was either you go to,which when I said my dad worked
for St. Joe's, when he workedthere for five years, we were
actually able to go to St. Joe'sUniversity for free. But this is
where it becomes a littlewhatever. You can have that
opportunity, but if you're notprepared for opportunity, you

(21:46):
won't be able to capitalize offof it.
Right? So even though three ofmy brothers, we all could have
went to St. Joe's University forfree. My dad wanted to be a
state trooper. He actuallysacrificed being a taking that

Speaker 1 (21:55):
job to

Speaker 2 (21:56):
secure our future. And sometimes I feel bad about
it because like none of us wentto college. It wasn't until one
of my great uncles told one ofmy brothers, college isn't for
everybody. He went to college.My my mom's side of the family,
all all college.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Like every I'm talking about they are brilliant
minds. Like my brilliant minds.Some of you may even know, I'm
not even gonna drop their names.But brilliant minds on their
side. And you may feel likecollege is like the way, but I
agree with, because I talk topeople who went to college.
Some people tell you likecollege is not it for everybody,
depends on what you want to Youknow what mean? We were kind of
like thinking like we were goingto go to college and this and

(22:28):
that. But then as you go throughhigh school, I'm not even good
at high school. Yeah. You knowwhat mean?

Speaker 1 (22:33):
You want

Speaker 2 (22:33):
to cut in and like you want to say something?

Speaker 3 (22:34):
I was going to say like, we were talking about that
on the last episode with PatBrady, but I, if I didn't have
the parents I had, I would havenot passed college. I would
never finish college.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
I tried to I tried to quit my first year.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah. Like you had no drive for it, right?

Speaker 3 (22:50):
I literally

Speaker 1 (22:50):
I had I had the opportunity to take a job and
like, I was kind of so myparents didn't push me out at
18. Mhmm. But my parents madesure that I was working.
Working. Yeah.
I remember 11, 12 years old,like them being like, hey, look,
like it's time to get a job.Mhmm. Like, had the opportunity
to work in directory, actuallyanswering phones at my parish.

(23:12):
And they were like, you got ajob now. And I'm thinking to
myself, like, what?
Like, I gotta like, I alwaysworked hard in school and stuff,
but I had different vision. It'slike, oh, do well in school,
then you go to college, you dowell. No. They had me working.
Yeah. And they didn't push meout, but they had me working.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
So, you know, once I got to college, I was like,

Speaker 2 (23:30):
this is Biggest waste of money I ever had.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
I'm like, why am I doing this? And I tried to quit.
My mom kept me in. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Thankfully. It it can be I feel like it can be of use
if you can get it done and haveit just on the back burner or in
your back pocket, just in caseit's something that you need to
get to, great. Yeah. Do I thinkif you like I feel like my view
is this, if it's not likelawyer, doctor, something. Don't
go to be sports medicine or orwas it

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Sports management?

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Not management, but like.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Well, that's what my wife, I mean,

Speaker 2 (23:56):
it was like, there's like certain communications and
stuff like, don't do somethingelse. You're something generic.
Million billion other peoplehave too. Like, you're not, go
do something super unique.That's how, that's what I would
tell my kids.
You wanna go to college? Makesure you go for something where
the, where the, the class is sosmall, not class, but the group
of people that exist that arealso You're coming

Speaker 1 (24:12):
out with some kind of specialty.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, man. Yeah. Yep. Where it's gonna pay well or
whatever. But like I said, thatwasn't never in my mind.
Like it was an option, but I waslike, again, I was like, I'm a
jock. I'm begging for grades andSure. Teachers are passing me
for smokes and stuff. So I waslike, yo, I was like, I'm not
going to college. Like, I didn'teven take the SAT in school.
Just and there was no my parentsdidn't go to college. They

(24:37):
created the opportunity, butlike, again, I had nobody really
Sure. Like my mom is focused onlike, you know, keeping us
afloat and my dad focused onkeeping us afloat in that
neighborhood that we're in. Youknow, their jobs and

Speaker 1 (24:49):
their jobs Well, they've they were like moving
up. If you look at it like aladder, like you said, they're,
like, moving up rungs. LikeMhmm. You know, you take your
eye off the top, you slide downthose rungs. Yep.
So they're trying to just keepyou on that rung.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah. So home homework wasn't getting checked,
report cards was coming in,like, every five months. You
know mean?

Speaker 3 (25:05):
I will say too, I mean, to you're one of the only
people I know that's likemarried to their high school
sweetheart. Like that's like

Speaker 2 (25:11):
It's a it's it's it's a it's not common.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
I don't It's

Speaker 2 (25:15):
very some people can't even do relationships, but
I'm getting to that. It's funnybecause like I said, when we
moved when I moved out, likethat's where my journey kind of
begins.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
So did you go so you went back to the

Speaker 2 (25:25):
house that I grew up in because my parents was like,
well, you know, you can't livehere for free, but what we can
do is you go live there. And wehad a dirt cheap ramp. It was
like Yeah. $200.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Just you or did

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Me and Camilla Camilla came with me. Camilla
came with Really? Yep. Yep. I'mnot gonna go into her business,
but Cardinal Sin.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah. So she came with

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Cardinal Sin. Cardinal Sin. You don't leave a
house in her Her

Speaker 3 (25:46):
parents were thrilled.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Cardinal Sin, bro. I don't wanna put, she could share
her story one

Speaker 3 (25:50):
day. She's

Speaker 2 (25:53):
on the It was never supposed to be done, but I think
her thing at the time was justlike long distance ain't gonna
work. It's either we in or weout. And like, there's nothing
from that point that existswithin me, like, without my
wife. Like, my wife is like,that's my partner in crime.
Everything I do, all my success.
I don't have success without mywife. I don't have Yeah. And,
I'm not saying like I'm notsomebody. What I'm saying is

(26:15):
every step from that step thatwe took right there is together.
It's together.
Everything we do. The jobs wetook, the roles we took. Is a
team. Like I had a team fromthere. Like I had a teammate.
Sure. And that made the journey,It's not that it made it easy,
but it just I don't know how toexplain that one. It just made

Speaker 3 (26:34):
it. I say that to Amanda all the time. It's like,
I cannot accomplish the thingsI've accomplished without you.
Yeah. Like you give me that,like that foundation.
Like I feel like that about alot of the successful men and
entrepreneurs. I mean, they havea solid

Speaker 2 (26:52):
You could try to look as macho as you want up here.
You know what mean? Most of us,most successful men probably
have a very good backbone as awife or a partner by their side,
whatever. But they may notalways shine the light on it or
whatever, but I'm proud of mywife. You know what mean?

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Because it goes back to what we were talking about in
the last episode of communitytoo. It's no different. It's the
same thing. You know, you had acommunity of one with you at the
time. You know, it was you twoand that's that.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
And I'm forever grateful for that too. Like, not
everyone, not every man getsthat.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Oh, yeah. No.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
I know, brother. Because I I look and I will say
for anybody, like I said, eventhe people that I talk to now,
I'm just like, that's one of themost important decisions you can
make in your life. Who youchoose to get down with, you
know what I mean? And really gothrough life with. It's gonna
change everything about thatjourney.
If you marry a liability, it'sgonna be a pull.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
It's gonna

Speaker 2 (27:40):
be an extra weight. You know what mean? If you
married whatever or marry orwhatever y'all do these days,
I'm a married guy. Y'all marriedGus. Yeah.
You know what mean? With a wholebunch of other stuff going on
out here. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
We know you're speaking to.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
But yeah, that's one of the most important decisions
you'll ever make in your lifebetween the marriage and then
between the children. Becauseit's a it's it changes. Oh,
yeah. Being with somebody, youcould, you know, you could still
get out of that. The childrenchange.
You know what mean? So that's awhole another conversation, but
one of the most important thingsyou can make in your life, like
who you just choose to havechildren with and who you choose

(28:12):
to marry. So really, reallythink long and hard on that
before you just do somethingreckless and end up with
somebody that, you know what Imean? That could

Speaker 3 (28:20):
change I mean, the fact that you guys decided that
at 18 is like crazy because I Imean, you guys grew up fast,
obviously. I

Speaker 1 (28:27):
was You you obviously graduated together and
everything.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
We graduated. She went to school. She went to Oh,
really? College. She she keptshe kept the traditions of what
she should do with her culturesand and all that stuff.
Like, it's literally in theculture. Like, you go to school.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
You know mean? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
So she went to school and I jumped right in the
working field, man. I jumped myfirst job. We were at Mickey D's
together, me and my wife. Yeah.I laugh at it, but I'm so proud
of it, man.
Sometimes I go to Mickey D's.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Should man. That's awesome. You don't go there. Not
anymore.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Not anymore. Look. I slipped up. Look. Look.
No. No. Haven't been there. Canyou have a way too much? Can you
have When I used to go to MickeyD's more more than often, if I'm
going to Mickey D's and I, seesomebody or, like, dude, like,
you're not having a good day,I'd wanting to tell them so bad.
Like, yo, it get greater later,dog. It get greater later. Just
you being in here at that agewhen you could be doing so much

(29:14):
more at 16, 17. Yep. ImagineI've been working at McDonald's
since tenth grade.
My first job started in tenthgrade, really thirteen, thirteen
this summer going into a itwasn't tenth grade. I'm sorry.
Was ninth grade. Fatim Brown gotme my first job with Ms. Tracy.
Tracy Drew. I remember everybodyon my journey too, man.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
I'm them You're dropping names. I'm like,

Speaker 2 (29:29):
damn, drop them off. Fatim Brown. He was the one who
told me like, yeah, bro, shejust hired me. Like, just ax
her. With the ax her, Me, screwthe job.
That's free Mickey D's everyday. In high school, yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
I can work, I get her money, and I can eat.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Bro, back then they used to get used to get whatever
you wanted for lunch. So youcould get whatever you wanted.
Now they kept it out.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
McDonald's from, I do believe

Speaker 1 (29:50):
They went back through the they went back
through the registrars, dude.And they were like, man, this
Kurt guy

Speaker 2 (29:53):
hurt us. Crushing hurt. Gotta

Speaker 1 (29:56):
change this. We gotta put a cap in place. This guy
hurt us.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
Yo. Kurt's Kurt's former Mickey D's, like, out of
business now.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
That's the one on Red Lion. Red Lion and Bluebird.
Yeah. Red Lion and up.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
That's a They're thriving.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, man. But, you know what mean? That that we
that's where we started. So you

Speaker 3 (30:13):
lived in North Philly and then moved

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Up to Oxford?

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Worked worked up at Mhmm. The red line, and you
drive back down North Philly tolive?

Speaker 2 (30:21):
No. No. No. Yeah. They're in there.
So I oh, wait. And when I wasliving in Summerville, Oxford
Circle area, I was working atMcDonald's in high school.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Graduated high school.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yeah. Yeah. Then after high school, I became an
EMT. Oh, So I became an EMT. Sowe both became EMT.
She was EMT first.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Your last day in high school, you stopped at Mickey
D's?

Speaker 2 (30:38):
No. I think I worked like another year.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Okay. Okay.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah. Worked like another year. And then, I'm
sorry, did become an EMT. By 19years old, I'm in a warehouse.
I'm in a warehouse.
Like I'm the youngest kid in awarehouse. It's nothing but old
dudes who was locked up, upGradersford. And it's just like,
I'm the youngest guy in thiswarehouse throwing cases at
Cedar Farms. Yeah. So, it neversince ninth grade, which I

(31:01):
always tell people like, I'vebeen, that's why we could joke
about how my body feels tired.
I've been working hard sinceninth In the summer times,
again, my uncle Will, God resthis soul, but that's where my
work ethic comes from. Iremember my brother would tell
me, he was like, you may not betalented in a lot of things, but
one thing you have is legendaryhustle. Between my dad being a
street dude, which you canlearn, like I said, you can
learn something from everything,even the fools. Back in middle

(31:24):
school, I'm selling candy. Mydad used to give me oils to
sell, Muslim oils and stuff likeSo, I'm selling oils.
Get to high school, like, Ican't remember we were selling
shirts. He always said like,this is America, you gotta sell
something. You know what saying?He's not in the game no more.
But, even when he came home, itdidn't stop.
Like, can laugh at them dudes,whatever, but one thing they
don't do is they don't work forpeople. My dad was a cab driver

(31:46):
and on the side, he a typicalPhilly Aki boy. Like he got it
out back in the day when it wasDVDs, whatever. He decided to
buy print machines and makeshirts, everything.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Hustle. When it is a three way call with me, John,
and Kurt, the first time thefirst time we had, like, coach
John goes like, yo, Aki. Yeah.And I'm like, what half the
time,

Speaker 2 (32:08):
when it's

Speaker 3 (32:09):
on those calls, they they they do talk about make fun
of me and and make me realize,hey. I'm not Straight. Yeah.
Straight. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
They're like, yo, Aki.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
I'm like I'm like, what's up? I'm like, what's
that? Like, I think he's likecalling me a name. Yeah. So now
I changed our group text to toAki.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Aki is just like Muslim way to say brother. Yeah.
Aki. When my dad

Speaker 3 (32:26):
So I had to Google it.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
So I had so I grew up in Philly, but Yeah. I didn't I
didn't have really, like, howhow do I even say this? Like any
black excellence around me until

Speaker 2 (32:39):
I wasn't invited to the cookout, Until

Speaker 1 (32:42):
until hold on. Until I started working in a moving
company.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
Because my

Speaker 1 (32:46):
uncle got me a job at a moving company, one of the
best jobs ever. Right? And onthat truck, I worked with white
dudes, black dudes, Muslimdudes, Catholics, alcoholics,
sober dudes.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Mhmm.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
You know, Christians, Dude, I worked with everybody.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
That's great,

Speaker 1 (33:02):
though. One of the most amazing times of my life.
And that's where so, like, evenwhen coach Sean was on, like,
there was a couple instanceswhere you're like, wow. What's
going on here? Like, a lot ofYeah.
Like, what I know Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah. From your like shoulders with other people just
learning from the moving truck.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
Yeah, man. I always said that. So I

Speaker 1 (33:21):
had a I had, like, a big brother who lived off of,
Stanton Ave.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
And he was way out Cliff Cliff West. Shout out
Cliff West. He he used to like,he he called me he just called
me Aki. He used to take me to,the, fuck, man. What's on,
Stanton there?
I guess that's that's notCheltenham Mall, is it?

Speaker 2 (33:41):
It's Cheltenham Mall down that's not Stanton, but
it's Cheltenham Mall not too farfrom

Speaker 3 (33:44):
there.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Like, off Owl Owl Owl and Stanton?

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Not sure. But the the only mall in that area is Yeah.
Sheltenham, and then you got,the the Cedarbrook.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
He used to take me in there.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah. And he used to This is popcorn and

Speaker 1 (33:56):
missus Fields? This is my and we used to go yeah. We
used buy shoes, sneakers andshit. And he used to like, this
is my nephew. And he used tointroduce me to everybody.
Dude, it was amazing. It was oneof the most amazing times of my
life. So that's how I know whatAki is.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
It's funny. A lot of times I say, like, Amanda Parker
doesn't know what it's like.Like, girl, like, I grew up at
Mayfair. Like, like, that wasfucking Yeah. Like The way it
went.
Now? Yeah. Now. But, like, youthink it's, like, compared to
where Amanda grew up, it's,like, different.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Where she from?

Speaker 3 (34:25):
Like, Pine Valley.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Like Okay. Cool. Alright.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
So but it's, like, I tell her stories of my, like,
not hard, but, like, my versionof life. And she's like, oh my
god. Like, that's way differentthan what I did. Right. Mhmm.
And then I we sit on thispodcast and be like, god, and
and it's like, damn, I fucking,I had way different. Like I was,
I was entitled.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
And spoiled. That's the thing. I said, everybody has
a story. It doesn't matter howrough mine was. Like you may,
like I said, I know personally,I don't know if you shared it or
not, but whatever, you know, I'mvery transparent, but everybody
has a rough.
I got all my parents. You knowwhat I'm saying? So it's just
like, imagine going through lifelike that.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
True.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
You know what mean? Where it's just like, well,
yeah, you had that rough look.Lost my pop. Yep. Like I can't
relate.
I can almost relate to that.Like I always share that story
with you, but

Speaker 3 (35:07):
it

Speaker 2 (35:08):
doesn't mean like in some way everybody has a story.
You know I'm saying? Soeverybody has somebody always

Speaker 3 (35:13):
has a hard At one point, made fair was like a
challenging Yeah. Like It's allI

Speaker 2 (35:20):
got these.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
It's all real.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Mayfair, Mayfair on the map now. It's looking bad in
Mayfair. I have to

Speaker 3 (35:25):
up once or twice, and it's like Hey.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
I mean, it's all it's all relative, man. Yeah. Really,
I think what what matters is, usall telling our stories from not
from a place of, like,victimhood Yeah. But from a
place of, like, communicating

Speaker 3 (35:54):
that honey like, the honeymoon phase?

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Quit you about the eggs because I feel like you

Speaker 3 (35:57):
about the

Speaker 2 (35:57):
eggs before I'm gone.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
No. Fuck.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Or No. No. Again, I like this honeymoon thread that
you're wearing. So you're

Speaker 3 (36:02):
in your honeymoon phase. Right?

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
And then you're working at Mickey D's, then you
you you move on up to to the tothe EMT. So then the

Speaker 2 (36:09):
warehouse I go to the warehouse.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
But you gotta go to school to be at an EMT. Right?

Speaker 3 (36:12):
So it was Mickey D's.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
I'm not an EMT yet. I go to the warehouse. I'm I'm
working at, this dude, Anthony,whatever, Greek guy, I forgot
his name, Anthony. Went highschool together.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
I've he came to the house one day and I was telling
him asking about where he works.He works at Place Cedar Farms up
here in Southampton Road.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
And he was like I was like, hey. You know what it
dude, are they ever hiring? Thisand that. And he was like, yeah.
I was like, what did he make?
He was like, $10. I said, $10?Making $7.15 at $6.50. 6 50 is
minimum wage at the time. I'mlike, dollars?
Yeah. Know what saying? I'mdoing the numbers in my head.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Plus probably benefits.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Was like, benefits, 10. It was But he was like, it's
overnight. I never workedovernight. And I didn't have a
car yet or whatever. So I'm like$10.
I was like, bro, count me in. Iwalked there.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Count me in.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Walked there. Right. Count me in. So I talked to this
dude, Mike. I go up there andthis first time working for
Greeks, man.
You never worked for Greekpeople, you don't know
oppression, boy. Because all youhear is my locker, my locker.
Don't even know if that's a badword. It definitely was bad.
This my locker.
This my locker. Stay in thererunning that joint crazy. You

(37:17):
know? So I'm up at I'm up at Iget in. I'm up at Cedar Farms
working overnight, but stillthriving.
I just jumped from $10.10 doll Imean, $6.50 to $10. I mean,
that's

Speaker 1 (37:28):
a that's a big come up for

Speaker 2 (37:29):
where you're 40 hours a week? Yep. Do you

Speaker 1 (37:31):
have benefits at McDonald's? Heck no. McDonald's
can put

Speaker 2 (37:34):
all the stuff they want on that wall, school
program, this and that. Yeah.They running you for forty
hours. And you ain't gonna havetime to do none of that. No.
No. Think about it. If you hadbenefits McDonald's, but you're
making now. Yeah, exactly.You're be making nothing.
You're make it like $4 an houronce they take all the stuff out
your But in that day, shoot,$2.25 after two weeks was
looking pretty good. You getwhat I'm saying? So did the

(37:59):
Mickey D's thing, got up in thewarehouse. And I was like, I'm
in the real world. Like I didn'tchoose to go to school.
So I'm in the working field now.You know what mean? And you just

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Do you have any kids yet?

Speaker 2 (38:07):
I don't have no kids yet. Just me and Millie Mill.
She's, she's working at aWalmart at the time. She's she's
doing, she went from McDonald'sto overnight Yep.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
She's in, she's going to community college. She's
working overnight too. Yep. Andshe's going to school doing it
today.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yep. And I'm

Speaker 3 (38:19):
that is what you said. Legendary hustle. Like I
was, took the words out of myhead. I was going to say the
next pause, like no one hustlesharder than Kurt.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
I'm I'm grinding. Am.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
That is the truth. Like like I'm grinding. Behind
what you see here, like, thedude probably just, like, worked
overnight, didn't sleep, like,got up, like, got his kid ready
for school. Like like, the dudeliterally hustles hard. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
For as long as we've known each other, like, I've
known that you had thatlegendary hustle because I could
feel it. Mhmm. And the crazything is I've only been in your
wife's presence twice, I think.Yeah. Once at the dinner we had,
and then once at I think it wasBrie's wedding.
Mhmm. And I could feel from hertoo. Like, I I have a I have,
like, a radar

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
For, like, hardworking people. Like sermon?
I could yeah. Could feel it fromher too. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Also an a one realtor, I will to myself. Shout
out. Yeah. Coming fromexperience.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Oh, shout out.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
She did sell you a house. She

Speaker 3 (39:14):
did? Yeah. She did. Told my house. Yes.
Was it Camilla sells Philly orYeah.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yeah. No. Camilla Camilla Lacheva. Look her

Speaker 1 (39:19):
up. Better get

Speaker 2 (39:20):
that right. You're right. We gotta edit this in.
Dana edit this in. But, yeah,she she we we

Speaker 1 (39:26):
So she's working overnight too.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
She's working overnight. Somewhere in that
time we get our first car and itwas it was a game changer, man.
Because now I can't remember whowas dropping off who, I think I
was dropping her off.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Or she was dropping me up, whatever it was. Then I
would get back to her job. Iwould sleep in the car. She'd
get off. My boy would sleep inthe car with me because he lived
down.
We were catching a bus up toSouthampton Road. Yeah. It's all
the way back Southampton Road.Yep. And he was sleeping the car
with me, with me.
He was sleeping the car too.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
And then when she get off, we would all drop back
down. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
North Philly. Because that's I even by bus, that's a
hike.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Oh, yes. What is it? Fourteen?

Speaker 1 (39:59):
I mean, it's straight out of the Boulevard, but it's
still

Speaker 3 (40:01):
a hike.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Well, you gotta get to the boulevard first because
we only had 20 Fifth andAllegheny. So it's the 60 to sub
Yep. The 60 to sub It's a hike,dude. To Margaret or whatever it
was. And then we catching theIt's hike.
The train. You know? I mean,catching the the 14 up there
from Frankfurt Terminal orwherever we got it from. Can't
remember. I haven't been onsomething in so long.
Couldn't pay me to get on thatshit now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The
stories you see on that, helikes

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Yo. Different than it was back the day. Different than
it was back in the day.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
I cannot

Speaker 2 (40:25):
imagine. No, I'd rather walk though, but you got
Uber, so we good. But doingthat, again, moving the needle.
So just jumping McDonald's, getto this. Then somewhere she
jumps off, becomes an EMT.
I'm still doing the warehousething. And we're like down here
in North Philly, holding itdown. Right. And then eventually
I go do the EMT thing. So nowwe're, we're right here EMT ing.

(40:47):
With the EMT comes anotherability to make another move.
And I think that's what it is.As you grow, you gotta keep.
Yep. You gotta keep.
It's gonna look tougher, it'sgonna be harder, but we were
down North Philly for like twoyears together. Yeah. By that
time.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Oh, it was like, it felt this story felt like

Speaker 2 (41:00):
five It's making moves. That's why said, it's a
quick pop. It to me, it'sreflecting like I'm the same way
I was watching my parents.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
It's the same Same I get that hustle and I get that,
you know, just ability to justgo, go, go. Like you got to try
and just keep moving up slowlybut surely. But that's the same
thing we're doing. We're justworking, working, working. And
working, y'all, one thing I willsay is like working is enough.
Like, like obviously youprobably don't want to work all
your life for somebody and thisand that, blah, blah. It may be
your reality and I don't knocknobody, however you get it, you

(41:29):
get it. Green is green no matterhow you get it. Right? But it's
to, it like, if you just workhard, it's enough because I will
always tell my boy, Hafoosh,Chubby's Deli, best hoagie in
Philadelphia.
Yeah. I will always tellHafoosh, me and Hafoosh would
talk at a young age about like,like how we gonna get to it.
Like, we don't even know whatget to it is, but how are we

(41:51):
gonna get to this place we seeourselves, how's a big suburban
Tahoe in the front? Like how,and we will always say, I was
like, I would say Foose, don'tknow how we gonna get there, but
I said, the hard work gonna payoff. I've been saying that since
I was a kid.
And it wasn't until I read TheSecret, at which I'm pretty sure
most of us have read The Secret.John would always tell me, you
gotta read The Secret. You gottaread The Secret. You gotta read

(42:13):
the secret. I'm like, one day Ifinally was like, let me lock in
with this book real quick.
And there was a part in thatbook where it said, you don't
have to know, you don't have tosee where you are trying to get
to. You just basically have tokeep your intentions on it. Keep
your intentions on going, likechipping away at just getting to
it, basically. Like it wassaying, you don't always see the
vision. You don't have to, butif you just work hard at it, you

(42:36):
know what I'm saying?
So that like reassured me whereit's just like, that's why I'm
making progress between, Icouldn't tell you, like my wife
used to ask me at a young age,you know, women always so
serious. Don't worry, you seeyourself in five years.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
No. You're gonna get out there after day and keep
doing it.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
I don't know. But, you know, and it's crazy part of
it is, like I said, your wordsbecome you know what mean? Your
thoughts become things. And myresponse will always be, I'd
like, I don't know what I'mgonna do in this world, but what
I did always see myself doing istaking care of my family. And
like I said, their happiness hasalways been my happiness.
Was like, that's not taking careof my family, but it's just
like, that's my happiness. Like,whatever I can make work for

(43:13):
them, then that's okay with me.I just saw myself working hard
and taking care of my family.And what did I become? A damn
truck driver.
You know what I'm saying? At theend, but I'll get to it real
quick how I got there. Again,we're we're back to the story. I
know we're jumping all over thevideo.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yeah. We we're we're where were we at? We're at
Walmart. Two quick things.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Two quick things. Never met this legendary hustle
thing. I love I've never metsomeone that has legendary
hustle

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Mhmm.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
That simultaneously will not hustle. Yeah. You Like,
knock somebody's hustle. Youknow what I'm saying? Like, for
example,

Speaker 3 (43:48):
like He's doing you clap. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Yeah. Like, guys that have your work ethic Yeah. You
know, your father, you know,that have that legendary hustle,
they will never hate on somebodythat's

Speaker 2 (43:58):
hustle. No.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
No. Ever. So they have that legendary side, but
they will never also they'llnever knock

Speaker 2 (44:03):
somebody else's hustle. For sure. For sure.
Yeah. It's it's you you can'tit's respect.
Yes. It doesn't matter how youget to legally, at least. I
don't really agree with illegalWell, yeah. Of course. Of
Legally.
You know what mean?

Speaker 1 (44:14):
That's why when I see people out there that are, like,
tearing people down, they havelegitimate hustles, they're,
like, making people better andwhatever, and they come on and
they're trying to tear peopledown for the hustle. I'm like
I'm like, bro, you don't get it.No. Like, your work ethic does
not even like, you can't evencomprehend the work ethic here.
So, like, this isn't even aconversation.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
It's enough for everybody to eat out here. It's
enough work if you want work,you'll find work. If if that's
what you're looking for, you'llyou'll find it. You know what
mean? So it's just like, it's noexcuses, but there's no need to.
There's no need to knock whatelse what somebody else is
doing. If you don't know what tosay, wish them best wish them
the best.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
You will never be judged, criticized, knocked down
by someone out there doing morethan you, only less. Mhmm. Yeah.
And that's That's

Speaker 1 (44:53):
for sure. Yeah. So that's the first thing I wanna
call out. Second thing, reallyimportant. Like, I'm a big
planner.
Mhmm. And, like, I I like tohave a plan, and then, like, I'm
big on the how Mhmm. Nowadays.Yeah. But when I was younger to
get to this point, like and thisis a Les Brown quote.
I don't do you guys know who LesBrown is?

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Yeah. The dude my man. Well, the the famous one he
got.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
He's he's like an o o g motivational speaker, like
self development, personaldevelopment guy. Mhmm. He Are

Speaker 3 (45:23):
you Jim

Speaker 1 (45:24):
At around the same time. He, like, studied Jim
Rohn. He's still alive. Oh,yeah. So Les Brown would always
say he's got a quote.
He says, the how is none of yourbusiness.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Mhmm.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Like, just get up and just do the work that's in front
of you. Yeah. Just keep doingthe work, and the how will come
about. So it's kinda the sameconversation you were having
with your boy. Like, look, Idon't know how I'm gonna get to
this this place, and I don'teven really know what this place
is.
Right? Maybe it's a maybe it's asuburban and a house.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
But I know that I'm just gonna keep working. Gonna
see the work every day. I'mgonna do the work every day, and
the how's gonna start to unfold.Yep. You know I mean?

Speaker 2 (45:57):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
So there are two things that don't watch Les
Brown.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
It's legendary on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Les Brown.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
I will not quit until I until I win whatever it was.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
He's got dad. He's got, make know your vitamin.
Okay. But he's got a reallycrazy story, man. He was a DJ.
Okay. He was like a disc jockey.I believe it was in Florida. And
the story of how he got hisfirst on air gig is so wild.
Yeah.
He like harassed the guy thatowned the radio station for like
a solid year. It could have beenmaybe three years. I don't know.

(46:27):
One day, the disc jockey callsout sick. Mhmm.
And it just happened to be oneof the days that he was
harassing this guy again. Mhmm.The guy got so frustrated with
him. He was like, you know what?Fine.
Come in. Yeah. I'll give youtwenty minutes on the mic, blah
blah blah blah. Les was, like,outside the studio at the time.
He came in, and he had beenrehearsing

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
What he was gonna do. And this is back in the day
when, like, the DJ Yeah. Yeah.The disc jockeys, when they took
the mic, it was more like spokenword. Yeah.
You know? So he was had beenrehearsing for so long. He got
on, and he lit it on fire. Andthen that was the start of his
his big thing. Les Brown, lookhim yeah.
Look him up. But he he always hesays the howl is none of your
business. I always I always feltthat was powerful. It didn't

(47:07):
really resonate with me.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Sometimes things don't if you're not at that
level, like,

Speaker 1 (47:12):
EMT. Exactly. Sometimes started to Yeah. And I
looked you know, hindsight, youlook in the rearview, you're
like, Yeah. That made senseactually because I did that.
You know? But so back to theback to the story. EMT come up.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Oh, man. We we she jumps off. She becomes an EMT.
Eventually, I jump off. I becomean EMT.
Now it's like, oh, we a powercouple at this time. We're just
like, yo, we we we can get up onWere you on the boat? Were you

Speaker 1 (47:37):
on the both on the same bus? Were you driving and
shit?

Speaker 2 (47:40):
I yo. You know, like, it's weird you would think
because you're talking tosomebody that's 35, and you ask
about something that when he was22, and they'd like, I don't
even I don't even remember. Wasthat now we're at that age where
it's like, damn. What was that?I gotta

Speaker 1 (47:51):
access that.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
I gotta access it.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
That'd be a bad ass part of the story though, you
guys are like, power

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Same company. Same same company. No. No.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
She was at Patriot. I was at this company called
AmeriQuest.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Okay. You were on the

Speaker 2 (48:01):
same I went to EMT school. She was already EMT ing.
Yep. And jump out of EMT school.I'm calling places.
Can't find nothing. One day Isaw this nice truck. It was
nice. I was like, no way theyhire me, but let me try. Right?
Yeah. Yeah. Called the number onthe side. This lady Joanne
picked up and I know I'mdropping, I'm dropping. You know
why I drop Because it matters.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
It does.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Because it,

Speaker 3 (48:24):
because it, it, I'm like, oh yeah. I'm like faulty
for dropping. It's like, how doyou know the person picked

Speaker 2 (48:28):
up names? Because I don't, because every, the same
way I said to y'all earlier,every interaction I had with
people, it's not that it's just,I wanted to be memorable to
them, but I remember I'mgrateful. You get what saying?
Like, I'm I'm appreciative.Like, I don't Yeah.
I I appreciate everybody whohelps me.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
You get I'm saying? Like like, I appreciate all my
friends. I appreciate every Iappreciate everything. Yeah.
Everything, bro.
Like, I can't.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
I don't know. Like I, I just I'm grateful, bro. Like
that's that's shit. That's why Isaid, you don't have to explain
if you want to to me. You, Ialready know.
I know what the vibe is. I knowwhat type of people. So you
don't have to teach me. Ialready know because when you
cut from a certain cloth, it'slike, I get the type of cloth
you cut from. That's why westill friends to the day.
Exactly. Because if we didn'talign, I would would you say you
got the biggest axe in the game?Mine's bigger. You know

Speaker 3 (49:12):
I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (49:12):
So that's how I get down. Whereas like the people
that you see me with is like,I'm grateful for them. If if I'm
not grateful for it, they'reprobably not with me anymore. So
it was like in all things,grateful,

Speaker 3 (49:22):
you know? Can you explain the biggest acts in the
game thing, but just for

Speaker 2 (49:25):
That that that mean when it's time to use it, I put
it to use. It's not big fornothing. You know what I'm
saying? Like when it's time tocut something off, like don't
get it twisted. Like I said, Igot, I got wisdom, but a lot of
my wisdom comes from a Christianmother.
Know I mean? A lot of times whenI'm talking to you, know you may
not be whatever not to go intoit, but just because something
may not be for you doesn't meanit's not something good there
that you can be useful for you.So Yeah. You don't have to be

(49:46):
religious to understand that ascripture is good. You know what
I'm saying?
So it's like sometimes where I'mgiving you stuff like that, but
it's like where every good andperfect thing comes from above
or, you know, every bad fruitwill be chopped down and thrown
into the, like that's just likesometimes you gotta, or
circumcising your heart and it'sthings in there that could work
in real life, whether youbelieve in it or not. So when it

(50:06):
comes to like making adjustmentsand cutting things off that
aren't good for you, it's just,it comes with maturity. Like I
said, I always go back to highschool. Think about me French
way out of high school. Yeah.
I had a big squad.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Right? I

Speaker 2 (50:18):
had, I'm talking about we 20 deep. I remember one
day my older brother, a coupleyears older than me, he's
already through high school.He's probably just out or at
the, yeah, he's like just out ofhigh school, two years out high
school, whatever. And he toldme, he was like, yo, he said,
all them boys you wet? He said,you gonna be lucky if you got, I
think at the time he said, luckyif you have five more than

(50:41):
likely you probably going tohave three.
I'm down to zero.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
I'm down to maybe, I talked to maybe one ball that we
went to middle school with myman, Tim. But other than that,
it's a it's a sad reality thatit's just like the it's just
wasted time. Some relationshipsare so.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Not needed. You know what I mean? And they're not
beneficial that. Yep. You know

Speaker 1 (51:05):
I mean? So That's when the ax comes out.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Yeah. Gotta do what you gotta do because it's not
helping you. If you hanging ontoit, then it's not helping you,
it's hurting you, you know?

Speaker 1 (51:13):
One thing that you said that resonated with me was,
and this is something I sharedwith Drew recently, growing up,
like, I grew up Catholic, and,like, I worked in the rectory. I
was an alderserver. I was almosta deacon. Like Catholic church
hard, man.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
I went there one day, people kept standing up, saying
stuff, responding.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Was like, yeah. Was It's a little different. Yeah.
It's little different.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
I love that way about went to a Shiva once. Yeah.
Like, Jewish people, that shit'sgreat. You ever go to a Shiva?
Said Shiva?

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Said Shiva. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
But for Jewish

Speaker 2 (51:43):
I grew Baptist. Like Baptist.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Yeah. But K. Millie Mill is Jewish. Right?

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Millie Millie Millie Jewish. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
But, like, you ever said Shiva for anyone? No. It's
fucking crazy. It's like a it'slike a dance party. For real?
Yeah. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
One thing that I've realized, like, you know, I've
reconnected with my faith in,you know, past, like, year and a
half

Speaker 3 (51:59):
or so.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Like, one thing I've I've realized is I always looked
at, like, the Bible as, like, aspiritual book.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Basic instructions before leaving Earth.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
That's the way we're looking at it. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Yeah. But what I've realized is it's just as
practical as it is spiritual.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Mhmm.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
So, like, if you aren't there yet with your
spirituality or your belief,there are practical lessons. You
can read that like you wouldread a self development book.
You can read you can actualactually gain practical lessons
from it.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
If you just went into it to just learn like I said, I
I keep talking about fools. Ifyou went to the Bible to just
learn from all the fools of theBible, you would Mhmm. Probably
learn something. You know Imean? To to take back into your
life.
But that's that's what the bookis it's it's a story of a whole
bunch of fools. That's like itwas a lot of fools in there. You
know what I'm saying? So it waslike, you learn most from like
them and their mistakes andtheir stubbornness and this and
that. So, yeah, you don't haveto be super churchy and

(52:51):
religious for it, but there issome things in there that could
really, really Yeah.
If you got nothing else to underyou know, comprehend from, I
guess, you know, you can learnthings in there. And that's
that's where a lot of my wisdomdo come from, like my
grandmother, my mother, butthat's where they got it from.
That's what they that's whatthey grew up on.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
So And it's free it's it's free game. Yeah. Absolute
free. It's free game. It'sthere.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Imagine calling the bible a free book of game.
Right? It's no. It is, though.Think about

Speaker 1 (53:16):
it. Think about it.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
It. It's there. It is. Yo. You go

Speaker 1 (53:20):
stay you go stay in a in a in a hotel. Book's there.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
It's in the drawer. Did what is it? Gideon or
something like that?

Speaker 1 (53:26):
It's it's there, dude.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
There's a there's a story behind why it's

Speaker 1 (53:28):
You walk when you walk around Philly enough,
you'll find somebody. They'llthey'll give it to you for free.
They'll give you the book forfree. It's what I'm saying. It's
free game.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
It's the original free game.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Free game. Free Absolutely. I agree with that.
That's fine. Alright.
So let's bring it back. So

Speaker 1 (53:39):
you called the the nice the nice ambulance.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Oh, man. Got I got job and the jump with

Speaker 3 (53:45):
All the phone call? Like, or or did you say come in
for a job?

Speaker 2 (53:47):
I just graduated from Star Academy and I'm looking for
a job, blah blah. But I thinkpart of it is my character, not
acting, but just even How youshow up. How I'm in this
podcast, how I'm on myInstagram. This is how I am in
real life.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
I'm not a tough guy. I'm not a bitch, but I'm not a
do you know

Speaker 1 (54:05):
I mean?

Speaker 2 (54:05):
I don't try and be more macho. Know, I'm around
fighters every day. I don't act.I'm a competitor. Dude, he's a
ninja choke me before.
So we're we're not I think werode before, but I'm not I'm not
a I'm a competitor. I likecompeting. Like, I listen. I
wrestle so much

Speaker 3 (54:18):
so that he will step in the cage with guys who do
this on a daily.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
My man Cade is like two I'm I'm two and o o two
against this guy.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Like You keep trying. And that's why I refuse to go to
Marquettes for MMA practicebecause they say like, oh, like,

Speaker 2 (54:46):
showing people like, yo, you could laugh. You could
be, you don't have to be this. Iget respect. I don't Nobody
disrespects me because I don'treally tolerate disrespect. You
get what saying?
So it was like, there's a way tocarry yourself where it's just,
you don't have to be withpeople. I don't need to be. You
know what saying? So

Speaker 3 (55:00):
It's almost like the

Speaker 1 (55:01):
You can be you and still Absolutely. You can be you
and still maintain theboundaries that

Speaker 2 (55:06):
you need.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
And no ego. You don't need I

Speaker 2 (55:08):
check my ego at the door. Any door, any threshold I
walk in, my my ego is checked.Yeah. So and and when I don't, I
go back and I reassess thesituation like this is where I
messed up at. You know whatmean?
So that's just I think that'smore about being a man. Always
my favorite thing to tell peoplewas just like, which I just told
a kid at the gym the other day.I said there's more strength and
restraint. You know what I'msaying? Like, some people think

(55:28):
like lashing out is like showingyou like, ah, you know, and I
smacked this guy.
It's more strength like thatvideo, that boxer arguing with
the dude at the baseball game.Oh, that

Speaker 3 (55:36):
was cool.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Know what mean?

Speaker 3 (55:37):
That was

Speaker 2 (55:37):
cool. Everybody who watched that walked away and
said, yeah, that dude is lucky.And we wasn't talking about the
do anything. You know what mean?So that's how I go through,

(55:59):
life.
You know what mean? That'sthat's me. I forgot.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
Well, I forgot. I just remember. I forgot speaking
of violence to the verge, forgotto introduce Carter as a world
renowned jiu jitsu practitioner.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
I'm a retired blue belt. Yeah. I

Speaker 3 (56:12):
forgot about that.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Retire retire. Yo. Was with it, bro. I was doing
it. It was good.
I'm the good fight heavyweightchampion.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
Kurt, if I snuck good what good fight

Speaker 2 (56:24):
heavyweight Good fight heavyweight champion
02/2018 or something like that.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Into the intro, you would've lost it, dude.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Oh, man. But, yeah, you just like I said, I'm I'm
glad it's a great story on how Igot started with that. Yeah. I
don't know where if I couldshare it now or whatever, but,
long story short, Simon wasdoing it first. Yeah.
Simon was doing it. He got tojujitsu. And if you don't do
jujitsu, you're like, yeah,yeah, that shit don't work. You
know what mean?

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Well, said, I'm always so jealous you guys got
started earlier than I did, butit's like, it's even like Sean
had to get me into it. You know

Speaker 2 (56:53):
I mean? Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Especially at that time, like it wasn't so
mainstream where it was like,you had to have someone doing it
that was like, yo, come do thiswith me. Yeah. You know what

Speaker 2 (57:00):
mean? Yeah. Matter of fact, we made a deal. We were
talking. I was like, yo, I said,all right, look.
I said, I'll come down there. Isaid, I'm a put some work on

(57:23):
you. If you can handle yourself,I said, I'll sign up for it too.
Because I'm like, this is mybrother-in-law. I'm like, I'll
smash this guy.
Right? Really? Yeah. Yeah. Andgranted, like I said, I went
down there.
I double, I football tackledhim. Oh, Sean, Sean, we're on a
threat. Me, Sean and Simon.Yeah. And we talking shit that
night.
And I was like, yeah, anytime,blah, blah. He was like, let's

(57:43):
go. I was like, let's go then.Sean was like, I got keys. He
was like, I got keys tosimplify.
We can go right now. It's like07:30 at night. Random. Just
random. Sean was like, I'll meety'all over there.
We meet there like 08:00 orsomething like that. I pull up.
Simon pulled up. Well, I got avideo. I'll give it to I can use
it as a reel.
I don't care. Yeah. I pulled up.Simon pull up and show open up
the door. We go inside.

(58:03):
We we we get

Speaker 3 (58:04):
our boys on FaceTime. Real quick. Simon's like, at
this point, probably, I'm gonnafucking show. This. He's like,
probably a little annoyed.
Or is he like He

Speaker 2 (58:11):
he is confident. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
How confident's he been training?

Speaker 3 (58:14):
But he's like, I'm gonna show this motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
He probably been training, like Ten low years.
White belt, but he's he'sprobably

Speaker 3 (58:18):
been training, like, a year or two maybe?

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Okay. Yeah. So he's he's deep enough in that

Speaker 2 (58:23):
he's he's going up. I don't know nothing about
jujitsu, though.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
I'm just

Speaker 3 (58:26):
I'm just he's this dude's curve running his mouth.
I'm fucking show this dude.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Two years in.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
When you see the video, I'm in I'm in I'm
probably cross fitting at thistime.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
I'm in shape. My arms are looking great. I'm skinny.
I'm in shape. Right?
So I'm like, I will smash thisguy. Like, I'm like, that's all
I'm like, I will. Causefootball, I was probably a
better athlete than him infootball. Cause I was, I'm older
than Simon. Know I'm saying?
But as he got bigger and olderand more mature and got some
better strength and stuff, Like,then we became more competitive,
especially with jujitsu where itwas just like Sure. I I don't

(58:55):
think I ever submittedsomething. And you

Speaker 3 (58:56):
know, like even Roman Simon now, like he's it's a
different

Speaker 2 (58:59):
He actually smashed me

Speaker 3 (59:00):
last time we rode, but

Speaker 2 (59:01):
I heard I was already

Speaker 3 (59:01):
out of shape. Yeah. He hurts, dude. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
But So you double leg him.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Oh, man. I go in there. So what's he do? I double
leg him. I tackled him, like,maybe I probably got, like, two
or three takedowns tackle.
They were they

Speaker 3 (59:12):
were Everyone's going nuts. They're like, oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Showing you're showing in the back.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
Yeah. Exactly.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
So I'm like, alright. But I don't know how to finish.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
I don't know

Speaker 2 (59:20):
how to do nothing. To do. I'm just holding his wrist
and whatever. Then he, rememberhe was up against the wall and
he had his leg out like on theground. So I was, I'm about to
grab that leg, pick him up anddump him on his head.
And I went to grab that leg andI'm in a forward guillotine,
like a guillotine. I'm like, ohshoot. You know what I mean?
Like, yo, I'm stuck. Like, Idon't know how to get out of it.

(59:42):
Somehow I get out of it. Andlike I said, it was all banner.
Like we were playing orwhatever.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
I was just for the record, Simon did not finish?

Speaker 2 (59:50):
No, I think it ended up being like a stalemate or
technically it ticked down wild.I probably won, but I wasn't, it
wasn't about me winning. Ithought I would be able to just
complete dominate him. What helearned from jujitsu at that
time gave him enough athleticismexperience and just
understanding where he coulddefend himself against a much
bigger person because Simonwasn't big, super big either.

(01:00:12):
You know what mean?
Was still lifting probably likein shape or whatever. He's dead
now.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
I'm curious if Simon remembers it the same way that,
like, if I if I do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
We're gonna

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
have to ask him. I don't lie. I'm just gonna tell
his side.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Listen. I'll talk to him after this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
I got a video.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Who was taking the video, Sean?

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
We had it propped up. I think I propped up my phone
because I thought I was about toget some highlights. You know
what mean? So I'm just, I'mready, you know? But whatever.
Was, I was impressed that mebeing a much bigger person, a
lot more in shape prior at thetime or whatever, that he was
able to at least defend himselfand whatever. So after that,
signed up for grindhouse and Iworked with James Booth. Yeah.

(01:00:48):
Started working

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
with Why did sign up there than, grindhouse was
closer

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
and it's so funny. I remember seeing James Booth at a
tournament, Simon's firsttournament. And I remember
seeing that guy and I was like,damn, I was like, the tall dude,
this and that. And I knownothing about them. I'm just
looking at jujitsu guys likethey nerds.
Right? Yeah. I know nothingabout them. Like in my head, I'm
like, I'll smack this guy. Like,I was like, this is this is
Simon's like James Booth.

(01:01:14):
He's an animal. Yeah. I'm like,I will smack this guy. I was
like, first day at Grand House.This is my professor.
Yeah. All right. We're doing therules, whatever, blah, blah. New
guy come over here, whatever.I'll never forget.
And he's going to probably sharethis once he sees this. This is

(01:01:35):
my actual thought. He gets me,has his way. I'm on the ground
wearing ghee. He grabs my ghee,he knee on bellies me, and he
pulls the and I made this soundlike this.
I said, and in my mind, I waslike, he's racist. Oh my gosh.
In my mind, I was like, I'mlooking at him because he's

(01:01:58):
smiling, he's looking down.Yeah. In my mind, I'm like, his
braces he's gonna kill me.
He's faces.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Yo. That is not just the air leaving your body.
That's the soul leaving yourbody too.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
At that moment, had like, I was at his mercy, Did
you

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
say it out loud? You did say,

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
he's racist.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Is it racist?

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
No. I told him later in life. I was like, yo, that
day I was like, I thought youwere like, like, I thought I
messed up. I thought I signed upfor something. I thought I was
about to die, bro.
Like, I was like, I've neverbeen like treated like this. You
know what saying? Like nobodyever like, it's submission.
That's the beauty in jujitsu. Ifyou don't check your ego at the
door, somebody gonna check itfor you.
You know I'm saying? So it waslike that day I learned, I am

(01:02:38):
not the biggest, the baddest,because I have a great history
of being super strong, superhusky. Like I said, in school I
was a football player. So Ididn't get messed with much once
I hit at least the highestlevels of eighth grade, twelfth
grade. I was an athlete.
I had a squad. I had footballteam. I had no problems in high
school. Yeah. That's so comingout of high school, no problems

(01:02:59):
at all.
Never got bullied, stuff likethat. But when you get into
Georgia Why'd

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
you come back for the second class? If first one was
took your took the air out ofyou, your soul, and you learned
everybody's racist.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Because I'm a competitor, bro. And when when
somebody does something likethat to you and and I've never
got boof in any type of way.Like Yeah. It it you know how
jujitsu go, like, it's just nothappening. But I'm a competitor,
you know what I'm saying?
So, when that happened, it waslike, yo, I gotta figure out a
way to like beat this And it'snever happened to this day, but
I beat up other people. And thereason I went with him is
because his style is a littlebit more big man, bully type

(01:03:33):
style versus I don't really wantto be on my back playing guard
or something. It's not reallymy, I don't have the stamina for
it. I don't, it's not really my,I want to be dominant, side
control, top control. Yeah,yeah.
Which he's a guard player too,but the stuff that he teaches
you from up top is like, I'mlike, this fits more my style.
Certain places that you go. Yep.And I'm knowing, I'm not being a

(01:03:54):
chooch will be the word in cigarworld. I don't know.
I'm not somebody who knows a lotabout jujitsu. I'm just saying
certain places that you go, youyou It doesn't even look fun to
you anymore. Sure. Because it'sjust so advanced. I don't want a
leg lock.
Like I want to be a soccer trolland do Americanas and kimonos.
So that's how I was looking atit at the time. But now if I was

(01:04:14):
ever to get back into it, Iwould want the full knowledge of
But I'd recommend everybody,like I said, I made it to blue
belt. I think that's more thanenough to have out in the
regular world. But I dorecommend it to because it
changed the way I look atcombat.
It changes the way I look withdealing with situations. Like,
when you can control a person,it makes such a difference. You

(01:04:35):
get what saying?

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
It changes the way you look at people, and it but
more importantly, it changes theway you look at situations.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
How you how when you enter a situation Yeah. You see
how it can go.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
And it changes how you behave in it. Yeah. Even
before you start to like, as aman Yeah. Like, growing up,
we're taught, like, size the guyup. Yeah.
Can you take this dude? Can youtake even before your mind goes
there when you're trained,you're thinking about the
situation. Yeah. Like, okay.This can go this way.
It can go that way. Let mebefore I even get to the person.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Yeah. I feel like everybody has a story like that.
I got, my first day, I got, Iwas like two ten, much heavier
than I am now. Yeah. And I got,dude, I got triangled, almost
got put to sleep by like a a 40year old kid.
A hundred and forty pound kid.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
And I was like, I need to know this.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
I need to know this.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Like, I'm competitive, but I am so
curious. Yeah. That's one of mythings. Yeah. And I was like, I
need to know this.
Yeah. I need to know this. Ineed to know how this works.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Alright. So I don't know how we even ended up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
That's cool. I got I got you. Yeah. Knew it would be
like this today.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
Alright. So Keep prepared. So you guys are EMTs.
Mhmm. Joanne gave you the job.
I think that's where we left

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
off. I'm moving on up, dog. Jumped from $10 to
$13.50. We in business. Right?
So at this point it's like a,and crazy. Was just talking
about Are

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
there kids? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
No kids.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
I feel like you've, as long as you've had, you're
you know more of a young parentthan We

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
know each other a lifestyle, but not the longest

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
of time. Yeah. Even a younger parent than I am.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Yeah. So like Yeah. We, we are moving up. We are,
and this is all my wife at thispoint, her game plan. Like she,
we were just talking about thisjust now in that debate of
whatever we were having aboutthe motorcycle, but, she's
always had a plan like for herlife.
Like, so we are literallyoperating off her brains at this
point. Like we are just because,and she also was somebody who

(01:06:24):
saw better. She, she kind of hadit a little better. Right? So it
was just like, in my mind, I'mlike, getting to Summerville or
Oxford Circle would be nice.
You know what I

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
mean? Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Getting to Oxford Circle would be nice, but I
don't know nothing really beyondthat. I don't know about the
Greater Northeast or nothinglike that. So it was just, she's
like in her mind, she's probablytrying to get back to there and
beyond. Like, she's seen herparents, you know, get get it
here. Like, I'm I need to getback to there.
And then from there, we gottago. Right? So in my mind, I'm
like, alright, whatever. So

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
It's interesting. She was willing she must have really
loved you because I hope to takea step. Look.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
We got some proof that she did. So

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
It's interesting that she would take a step back
willingly like that to

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Yeah. I I I

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
don't know how many people that would that would,
like, choose to go fromcomfortability living to When

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
I say I was petrified, I'm like, I'm like,
we down in the trenches. Right?And we ain't got no car at
first. So she gotta walk up theblock. Yeah.
Right? Pass all the cat calls.Yo white girl. Right? So like,
she gotta go up the block tocatch the 60, last at the top of
20 Fifth and Allegheny.
So I'm like, I just be like, yo,stay on your phone and don't get

(01:07:30):
off the phone. Don't entertainnobody, don't say nothing to
nobody, whatever. I'll neverforget one of the like top dudes
down there was trying to talk toher. It was so nerve wrecking, I
had nothing to do but to call mypop and tell him what was going
on. Like, yo, like, I don't knowwhat I'm a do.
Like, what if he this and that?And my pop was just like, don't
say none. If anything come outof like, just let me know. But
nothing never came out. He justwas like, he probably just see
her and whatever, just trying.

(01:07:51):
You know what mean? So,whatever. Like, like it's just
that, like, I'm like, it was, itwas nerd because I'm like, know
you're not from down here, whichI don't think my wife came
outside for two years, man.Like, but she was down for it
till we got a Once we got a car,we was able to move around a
little different, but everythingwas cool, bro. But we get, we
become EMTs.

(01:08:12):
It's time to move. Like, it'stime to get up out of there. We
move all the way up to upBusselton and Philmont. What the
hell is the part? Patoni Place.
Patoni Place Apartments. So, I'mlike, dang, like we got our
first apartment. Everythinggood, bro. Got our first
apartment. We slinging the rent.
No kids, everything's good, man.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
It's drain.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
This is where I'm thriving. I'm trying to figure
out like, well, what next? Like,she just got her I can't
remember when she got a degree,she gets her degree. At some
point, her parents open upbusinesses or whatever, a
business. She starts working forher parents eventually.
Everything's going good on herend. Like, I gotta figure out
something too because I'm, one,I'm not gonna be a burden. Two,
like I wanna be an asset, right?So, my uncle, watched my uncle

(01:08:54):
truck drive all his life. Myuncle, you think I work hard?
My uncle's the hardest workingperson that I know. Both my
uncles, that uncle and my unclethat passed away, my uncle Will
did a construction and stufflike that. And that's like where
I really, really Until you didsome construction work, until
you went out and mixed someconcrete in a barrel with a
guard, with a hoe, whateverthat, you know what I mean? So
until you did real hard work,you wouldn't understand, but

(01:09:17):
that's what he did for a livingthe old school way though. You
get what I'm saying?
So he taught me like, reallylike, just some of the etiquette
of like doing certain things,whether it was like doing right
by people when you do jobs.Sometimes you run across things
after you accepted work and youwant to double back and be like,
you know what I mean? Hey, weran into this. There's going be
a little bit. You alreadyhonored a certain price and he

(01:09:38):
still, he would just do it.
He would fix it. He would alwayssay, Curt, you do right by
people. You get I'm saying? Soit's just like, that's what I
try and do. I can honestly saywith a good heart, like I got no
enemies.
I got no enemies. I got nobodythat can say I've, I've done
them wrong. It doesn't like, ifI did, if you see this speak up,
but for the most part, do rightby people, even if it means I'm
taking a loss. Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
You know

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
I mean? Just to end it on, on, on the right way. I
always try to do right bypeople. Yep. And that's just
some of the things he taught me.
Don't you, you know, the jobain't done till it's done. You
know, just certain things yousaw with somebody who does
construction and, you know, yougo back into people work and you
see that they, what do you callit? A jack leg job, and then you
fix it anyway, even though thatwasn't even part of the job,
it's just you saw it when youopened up the frame and got to

(01:10:16):
the core of those things. It'slike, you see this, that beam
supposed to be here. So it wasjust, he showed me like a work
ethic where it's like, if you'regoing to do it, do it right.
You know I'm saying? If not,don't do it at all. You know?
That's part of why I also, andyou know that from just jobs.
Like, when I send you mad stuff,like, just it's more than what
you asked for, but it's like,yo, Marty, you want a job.

(01:10:37):
Let's just do it. I hope youfind what you need in order to,
you know, have the success thatyou're looking for through this
content or whatever. So, that'swhy I do the things that I do at
least with the photography andat my own job. When we do stuff
in my own job, I don't half ass.People don't like working with
me because I don't cut corners.
Yo, just leave them, leave themempty, like empty trays for
jobs, whatever. I'm like,brother, that's that's part of

(01:10:58):
the job. Yeah. It's gonna makeour job a little harder today,
but it's part of the job. Like,let's just do it.
Know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
Plus, you start letting, like, little little
stuff like that slip Yeah.Before you know your character
changes Yeah. As a person.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
And Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
That ain't good.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Not, not, not the way to go, but to get back

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
on Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
I'm I'm trucking. Like we, Steve, you want to
moving on up, higher ground.Like I'm like, it's just, we,
we, we going. Yeah. Yeah.
We are going, we're going. And,that's it. Like I'm I'm I'm
trucking. I begin this truckingcareer, sacrifices. I jump over
the road, toughest days of mylife being over the road.
If you know a trucker and he'sover the road, trust me. I don't

(01:11:36):
care how that smile looks. Idon't care how that, that is a,
it's a tough job, brother. It'sjust tough to be I always say
the only people that can relateare people in prisons and
probably the military. Becauseit's a confined space that's
mobile and you are away fromhome and you have no idea when
you're coming back most times.
Yeah. Especially if you OTR, youdon't know if it's a week, two
weeks, three weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Sometimes there's a maximum, but sometimes, like I
said, the first time I hit threeweeks, remember I cried. Like I
was like, this is the third weekout? Like it's dudes that be out
months. It's dudes that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
It's a tough gig dog. The wheels, the

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
wheels gotta be moving for your The

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
wheels ain't turning you ain't earning. They say, you
know what mean? And it's just,it's when I say tough, there
were times I left the crib.Like, boy, like break down,
like, like, cause it's hard toleave your family behind like
Or, you know, like you, you,especially within the era of
social media, get to see whateverybody else does on a day to
day.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
I've never seen a McDonald's was the last time I
worked a eight hour day. You getwhat I'm saying? From the
warehouse, it was ten hours.Trucking is twelve to fourteen
hours, sixteen Now I don't evenlike to talk about the hours I
work. You get what I'm saying?
But it's, it's, it's brutal, youknow? It's, it's a great career.
If you want to get to it,especially if you got no
children, no family, it's justyou. I would advise any man that
can't figure out something toget it going. Trucking is the

(01:12:47):
way to go.
It's like the classic bluecollar, hardworking, like
everybody grandfather was atrucker. Right? Yeah. But it's a
very demanding. It's asacrificial.
It just, it's a tough, toughjob. If I could turn back the
hands of Tom, I would not do it.You get I'm saying? Like, that's
how tough it is because there'sa reality that it's time or
money. You get what I'm saying?

(01:13:07):
Like, if you got time, youprobably don't got no money. If
you got money, you probablydon't got no time. And it's like
trucking is like the worst ofthat. Like, it's like you, you
got money, but you don't have notime. You know what I'm saying?
And you just wish you had thesame type schedule like other
people, you know? So, but it,but on the other hand, with the
sacrifice, you are getting, youcould do powerful things with

(01:13:28):
just a trucking salary. LikeI've spoke to you about certain
numbers. You're like, yo, that'sactually pretty It is. It can be
solid.
I do food service. It's one ofthe hardest forms of trucking.
So I make deliveries to I don'twanna say my job at parties, if
you quote it, you quote it, butif not,

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
whatever. Because of perishables and and things

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
like Just the work. Like, it's in my mind. I'm like
like, not that I feel like I'm apass early, but I I do in my
mind, say, was like, if I dothis all my life, I'm gonna be
jacked up. My body's gonna beYeah. Jacked up, brother.
Yeah. And it is what it is, butI am working to figure things
out and get into betterposition. But

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
I I I can I understand what you're talking
about because like I said, mylike you said, everybody's
Married

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
by grandfather? My my grandfather

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
on my mom's side was, drove for Coca Cola his entire
life. So, like, I seen of Yeah.I've seen some of that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Yep. Long hours, no sleep, horrible sleep. So yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
Yeah. So I I remember with him, like, half his body
used to be tanned. Mhmm. Theother half wasn't because he
used to drive with, like, theYeah. Yeah.
The thing. Yeah. Yeah. When doesphotography enter the scene for
you?

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Pandemic. Okay. So I start jujitsu and stuff. I'm
starting to learn people aroundtown, whatever. I remember so it
kinda starts remember, myjourney starts with Brady.
Mhmm. I forgot where I meetBrady. I meet Brady in a
regional fights. Like, Simonknew a whole bunch of guys from
Fox Chase, whatever. Yep.

(01:14:55):
I I we used when I had hair.Yeah. We used to get cut by the
same barber, our boy our boy,Mikey. Yeah. And it would be
random days sometimes where I'dlike, you getting into tonight?
I'm going to my man Sean Fightor my man Brady Fight. I heard
it a couple times before Iactually met him. And, I'm like,
oh, alright. Whatever. So Idon't know how I ended up going

(01:15:15):
to his first fight, but I thinkit was I saw two of Sean's
regional fights.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
I think Mikey was gone. I think he's had an extra
ticket or something, whatever.Like, we were leaving on his bus
from Fox Chase, whatever. So I'min the MMA, like, I'm watching
UFC. I'm in the MMA.
Like, I enjoy it. I'm a bigboxing head because of the Floyd
Mayweather era at that time, butwe're watching MMA on the side
because Mhmm. You got like Conorcoming up and Sure. Johnny Bones
and all that stuff. So it waslike, I'm into And I'm into
jujitsu as well.

(01:15:41):
So, cool. So I get with Simon,Mikey, we go to this fight. We
go down on this bus to meet withall these crazy people from Fox
Chase. Like, they're dying hard.Like, I'm like, this dude got a
squad.
Like, they're like, and it wascool. Because they were all,
they all grew up together orwhatever, close knitted, this
and that. And they're just like,die hard, bro. I'm like, oh,

(01:16:05):
this is it. Right?
Like this is cool. You know whatI mean? And I didn't know how
promising his future was. Ijust, I didn't know really how
you got into UFC or anythinglike that. Sure.
I just know about this dude andhe's trying to get to this title
and blah, blah, blah, cool. Goto the first fight and I believe
I went to the second fight orno, or I either went to the
second fight or I watched thesecond fight where he won the

(01:16:26):
actual title. So Mhmm. SomewhereI meet Brady. I meet Brady on
that first joint aftercongratulation, blah blah.
Then him and Simon start gettingmore close, so we're seeing each
other more. Then he's coachingup at Grindhouse. I remember he
was coaching up at Grindhouse alittle bit, so now he's like
coaching up there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Simon and him are getting closer. Eventually, they
become best friends. Simon's mybrother-in-law, so he's doing
whatever. However, we, Iremember we were like going out
getting pizza, stuff like that.The old Sean, when he would eat
a slice of pizza now.
He locked in, right? But yeah,we were like hanging out and we
began to get this relationship,So, I think it was like just the

(01:17:06):
pandemic had just happened andno, before the pandemic, it was
before the pandemic happened. Atsome point we start talking and,
oh no, yeah. So the pandemichappens. The pandemic happens.
And if I always tell everybody,if you don't remember the
pandemic, obviously you rememberit, but the one thing you might
look back on that time andregret is that was the first

(01:17:30):
time in your life where youactually had time because life
actually stopped. It was very,not important, but if you took
advantage of it, it could havebeen a great moment. Yep. If you
looked at it from the wrongperspective, you could have
lived in like, are we going todo? I got laid off.
I remember I got furloughed,never even heard the word

(01:17:51):
furlough before. Now I know.Right? So I was working at
Dunkin Donuts. NDCP was thetransportation company for
Dunkin' Donuts.
And I'll never forget, we camein, it wasn't the work, they
told everybody to come. I hadjust left my job for four years.
I was working at McLean, anotherfood service place. And my boy
was over at Dunkin', sending mechecks like, Yo, they work less

(01:18:11):
over here, they getting paidmore. He's sending me actual
stuff.
I was like, I'm out. I was like,want some of that. Like, you're
making great great bread. Ileave when was the pandemic? In
March?
I think it was March 20. March.Whatever it was. March 26. I
leave March 26 or whatever itwas within four days in Dunkin'
Donuts.
It's like the twenty ninth and Iam laid off. I am I am

(01:18:33):
furloughed. And I was like, whatthe hell? Right? I'll never
forget leaving the joint.
I was like, I got kids. Iscreamed it as I was walking out
the door. And I get over thereand they like, what were they
saying? Oh, they had all thesechairs out. It was like
envelopes on the chair, this andthat.
And they basically explainedthis to us like, Hey, like we
don't know what's going on.Remember Dunkin Donuts, most of

(01:18:53):
their stores are in New YorkCity. New York City didn't have
drive throughs. They were allstorefronts. So that we didn't,
that got rid of the stores.
We couldn't interact until theyfigured out what to do. So
that's when they startedcreating like the blocking
everything all, putting moneyin, sliding through that era,
right? So that laid us offbecause we lost so much work. So
I'm off, I'm off like nineweeks, bro, or whatever it was,

(01:19:15):
nine weeks. I'm filing forunemployment first time in my
life and whatever.
But what the time did in that,in that moment was it gave me
time to think. I'll never forgetthe first day after we were
declared, like shut down orwhatever. I remember going out
to my backyard and I went outthere thinking I was going go
knock down this old shed that wehad. Everybody was, but I never
forget going out to the back andall my neighbors were all back.

(01:19:37):
I said, look at people.
I said, people are actuallydoing the things that they've
been wanting to get around tobecause they ain't got nowhere
to go.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
So I was

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
like, that's what kind of made me realize like,
yo, this is the, it may feellike we're locked in. This is
free as we ever were in ourlives. You've never been more
free than that. When you thinkabout it, you never had nothing
to do. You never couldn't go tothe market or couldn't do this
or couldn't do that.
It's the free as we've everbeen. But with freedom gave me
time to think. That's what Ithought. I was like, yo, what do
I really like to do in life?Like, what do I enjoy?
Like, I'm like, couldn't thinkof it. I'm thinking like, what

(01:20:03):
do I do? Like what do I, I usedto buy GoPros and this and that.
I was like, yo, okay. So I, whenI had time to finally think of
like, what brought me joy?
I brought every GoPro from heroone to hero five. Right? So I'm
like, I'm like, yo, I likecameras. Like, I like camera
like photography. And I'm like,and I like this jujitsu stuff
they got going on.
And I know this guy that's likelooking kind of promising. He
just got announced that he'sgetting a, I think he's about to

(01:20:25):
fight Court McGee or somethinglike that coming up. And I
remember calling Brady and I waslike, yo, I was like, was like,
y'all got this idea. I was like,dog, I was like, it looked like
you're gonna be somethingspecial in this. And I was like,
I'm thinking about Trump, Trumpdog opened up all the $4.00 1
money.
Yeah. It was like no penalty. IRemember I've been working like
a dog since whatever. So I got anice fat chunk of bread in my

(01:20:46):
$4.00 1. And I'm like, I'mthinking about making some sort
of, you know, withdrawal.
I was like, I'm a pull somemoney. I'm thinking about
getting all this cameraequipment. I was like, I'm going
to follow you throughout thisprocess and just try and grow
with you as you grow through thejourney. I said, you're going to
need a cameraman one day. And hewas like, let's do it, dog.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Legendary hustle.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
I pulled that money and I'm talking about, and this
is where it kind of goes back tohard work and take you
somewhere. I didn't know what Iwas doing. I was working hard. I
got money. I'm I'm I'm young.
I got my I'm already out theapartment. I'm in my first house
already in probably '20whatever, however it was. Yeah.
During the pandemic. But I'mlike, I worked hard, I got to

(01:21:27):
this point, I got this nicechunk of bread, I pulled a bread
and I didn't have to start atthe bottom.
I started at the very top. Myfirst camera is a Sony A9, he
knows, you know what I Like Istarted a Sony A9, I get the
white lens, when you see anyphotographer with that white
lens, he dropped heavy bread forthat. You know what mean? Yeah.
It's like a, and that day was a$2,500 lens or something like
that.
So, I get that. I get the 19inch MacBook. I get my $2,300.24

(01:21:50):
to 70. I get the Peter McKinnonbook bag. I got everything.
I'm talking from the rip. Youall can't think I don't know
man. Okay. I don't know shitabout this camera yet. You get
what I'm saying?
I got Yeah. But if anyphotographer saw it, they
probably think I was like thedude. Right? Yeah. But it's
like, no, this is a reflectionof my hard work.

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
They were like, yeah. He's picking a sky to ask for
it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
It's I mean, look, it's a little

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
fake Pictures what? When I go back and look, them
pictures was asked for havingthat type of equipment, bro. You
know what mean? So I'm on Sony,I got stuff that people, when
you get into the world ofphotography, that's why you
really gotta respect it. That'swhy even though, like I know I
gave my boys some good picturesover there because it's just,
it's content, man.
When you see these peoplethey're putting their all into
it. Yep. They're making crazyinvestments, man. Like it's an

(01:22:37):
expensive game. People alwaysask like, oh, how much you can't
We don't even like to tellpeople that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
Yo, how much is that camera? Cause you're look at me
crazy when I say this, this andthis. Oh, that's $8. Yeah. You
know I'm saying?
Cause it's just like a camera toyou. To me, it's everything I
had in my bank. You know whatI'm saying? To try and get this.
So Yep.
I grab that stuff. I start I getthis stuff. I ship to Delaware,
say some taxes. You know howmany had an address in Delaware
from say some taxes? And I'llnever forget.

(01:23:02):
First day in the gym, I I I'mlike, yo, I got everything. Yo,
you training tomorrow, Brady?Like, come on. First day in the
gym, I walk into the gym, PaulFelder, Eddie Alvarez, Brady, a
couple of the region regionalguys, Jeremiah Autumn dudes down
there. And I'm like, oh shit.
Like, of course I'm starstruck.Like, man, that's really Eddie
Alvarez. Mean, he's a champ. Youknow what I mean? It's a champ.
This and that. And right thereis where like the journey begins

(01:23:24):
with resources, getting to knowpeople. Like I said, I know
Paul, like I could text Paul. Icould text Dean Tom. Like, you
know, you get to just resourcesfrom the day that we walk in.
It really hasn't even begun. Doyou get what I'm saying? So, we
we get in there. I'm justlearning my camera. Learning my
camera, trying to createcontent, taking pictures.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
Giving him content now. He gets into the UFC. He
wins his first fight. It's ajourney now. It's just like just
a journey.
Next week we leave for London.You know what mean? I know I
just skipped a whole bunch ofthe story, but from there we we
it's nonstop just trying tofigure out a way to move the
needle. You know I'm saying? Andjust, just trying to figure out
a way to make this thing work.
And I don't know. I don't regretit. Like it's it's it's it's

(01:24:07):
passion wise. It's like, I loveit. What were you doing with the
GoPros when you were buyingthem?
When we whether it was vacation.Just wanted to like go on

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
the

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
water with you know what mean? And I had a
motorcycle at the time. So I

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
was getting

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
videos on the motorcycle and all that stuff.
Know what So

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
The motorcycle really came full circle.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
Yeah. It

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
did. But when I was young, I was on a sports bike.
My first Sport bike. First bikewas a CBR 11.

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
Well, I think it's funny we're talking about it
now.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Oh, yeah. But I was young, dumb, couldn't couldn't

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
Were you at with the footage, vacation, bikes, bike
life, were you editing it oranything? Or you posting it?

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
Probably running it through like a free face
software that was creating itfor me, but but it just was
cool. Like, you gotta thinkwe're in a different time now,
but in that time

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
As these small cameras were coming out, these
action cameras, you're like, yo,I'm really capturing me on a
bike doing one fifty, one 60 orsomething like that. Like like,
it was fun. It was like Oh. Andit was affordable. You get what
I'm saying?
Because those cameras were what?$2.99, 3 90 9 or something like
that. So for a working person,it was an investment, but it was
it was it was affordable, youknow? So we I was doing that.

(01:25:10):
And then, like I said, I getinto this, and it's been nonstop
ever since with the photography.
Yeah. At some point, I don'teven know where I meet you guys
at. We are We'll

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
definitely meet

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
you first. To talk about the doing the work and not
worrying about the plannecessarily. Like, you've also
so in the the content game andthe camera game, like, you
actually those people you camein and were Starstruck by,
you've actually done work for.Now you went with Eddie to his
last fight or

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
Biggest show of my

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
life. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you've done, like, just by
happenstance of doing the workand trusting the process and
trusting hard work Mhmm. Youbrought to life some of things
that may have been just a dreamat some point for you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Mhmm. Yep. Agree.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
Agree. I don't know where our first interaction was.
I'm trying to think real quickand not waste too much time, but

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
I remember it was it wasn't to do the shoot. It was
to shadow the shoot and helphelp them out. It it Is it this?
No.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
Yeah. No. It is. Is. It

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
is. It's this picture. This is this is

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
this is the one from Semper FIVE.

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
This is

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
my that's my first time

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
we boarded a aperture 300 d.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
That was my first time meeting you.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:26:18):
The first time because I, we had talked a
little bit before, but, and thenyou had like, you know, excuse
my truck or my car. I just gotin an accident.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
So that shoot was like, literally, it's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
That is that is actually right there.

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
Right? Something we do, like, on a daily basis now.
Like, they were like, AmandaMundy. Brianna. Yeah.
Like, Brianna, like, literally,like, it was like a %.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
Brianna down the wrong path. She hated that shit.

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
Brianna is the definition of the core value. Do
whatever it takes.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
Listen. Like, two weeks ago, Drew was like, ah,
you still got your camera,Brianna?

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
You still got your camera?

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
Like, he was kidding, but, like, he actually, like,
wasn't kidding.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
Brie needs a plaque.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
Like came to my crib. I was, like, giving her lessons
on how to, like, use Lightroom,and we were going with this

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
Well, I mean, to be

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
honest, Watch look.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
The story behind that is Brianna, like, wasn't happy
with the pictures we weregetting from the guy that was
doing our stuff before. And shewas like, sure, I could fucking
do this. Was buy me a camera.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
Like, and

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
I bought her a we bought her a camera, like, with,
all the money we had on the fewon debit card. And like, it,
like, paid off eventually. Butthat being said, like, it's
funny how you evolve as a personin a company like this this
shoot. Mhmm. We do in, like,it's a five minute conversation.
Mhmm. That was like a as aproduction production.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
I remember because I think Julio was in the shoot
too, and he had on the red rash,the red, the luck rash. Also,

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
I mean, that being said, some of the sickest
photography of our I I love thispicture.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
You love it, Like

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
I remember the black guy was a big deal at the time
because he

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
was like,

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
I don't know what you do with composition with a
camera because it doesn't looklike that in there. Like I saw
the full. Yeah. Yeah. But withthe flag, was like, yo, stand
right here

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
and shoot up the But I think it's one the dopest
pictures of Sean or in that,from that shoot.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
And there he had that one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
Yeah. Yeah. I think the grittiness of Semper Fi too,
like kind of like is showinglike in that whole shoot.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Flags, all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
So yeah, that's why I met Kurt. And that was during I
remember because, like, I I hadjust gotten over COVID, but
moving in so we meet there,like, we're kinda just, like, We
we we we connect. We connect. Weconnect. And we like

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
We had like

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
a deep talk that day. I was like, Dan, dude. Like,
Kurt's like, man. Like and thenfrom there, like, Kurt's all the
work. They all been been aboutthe work.
Like, definitely and I thinkthis is maybe where we could
take this that the, like, bringthis in for landing, like, kinda
take the ending of this podcast,but it's, like, doing whatever

(01:28:46):
it takes to to make it work. Youdid try to make the photography
thing, like, a full time, andyou tried other entrepreneurial
endeavors. Like, now

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
like yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:55):
Like, there's like, never really just kinda, like
like, mowing it in. You knowwhat I mean? Just figuring it
out the next step and and andthe journey where you take where
where you take your life at onepoint may not be the endpoint.

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
You know

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
what I mean? Like Mhmm. And it doesn't always work
out the way you see it, but italways works out.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
It does. Yeah. Just like I said, you just kinda just
trust the process. Trust theprocess. Like I said, the main
thing I can always say is justlike I said, the hard work will
take you somewhere.
Exactly. It's just, you justdon't always know where it would
take you, but is it going totake you somewhere? It's going
take you somewhere good too. Youknow what mean? Somewhere,
somewhere good.
You got to believe in it. Ithink that's the other part is
believing that you can trust it,but then believing that trust

(01:29:34):
that you're putting into it. Youknow what mean? Or else,
whatever. But don't worry aboutthe, don't count the days that
just literally just keep yourhead down, keep swinging, chip
away at it.
And you're going to getsomewhere. Like I don't, I don't
feel like, like I said, I triedthe van thing and that was, that
was brutal. That was brutal. Youknow I'm saying? I tried to get
my own van and, but it was a,again, it was a learning process

(01:29:56):
there.
Right? Where it was just like,I'll never forget. Called you at
one point. I can't remember ifyou picked up. I think we talked
about it after I missed the, youmissed the call.

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
Because I was gonna ask you,

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
did you ever have

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
to borrow or something, Yeah. And I said, did
you regret it? And you said no.Yeah. Because I had such an ego.
Like I don't like borrowingmoney. I remember we used have
talks about, well, I do shoots.Yeah. And you said, yeah, pre
ascend it or somebody send it onMonday or something like that.
Monday come and then four orfive days have passed or less,
whatever, whatever it was.
It it just whatever. And I'll belike, like, dude, why do just

(01:30:29):
ask for it? I was like, I do notask for money. Like, if I owe
that man, I pay that man. Andit's not that you're thinking
like that.
It's not like, it's just, yo, wegot a lot of stuff going on over
here. Yeah. It may have gotmixed up in communication or the
person that I assigned it to mayhave forgotten. But if you'd
have told me, I would have gotyou to it, you know, the day
that you told me. You know I'msaying?
But it's just like, I'm patienttoo where I'm like, nah, they'll

(01:30:51):
think about it and they'll sendit over. I'm never really in a
bad, bad spot. Yeah. But it'salso like, it's a gift and a
curse. Cause it's just like,sometimes I want my money.
Yeah. But I'm not about

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
to ask

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
you for it because if you don't remember it, that's
cool. Cause I'll never donothing with you again.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
Yeah. It'll just hate to hate you forever.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
The van, the van was the, the car moving carrier.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
Try to get in the cargo cargo van business or
whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
Less than load.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
Oh, man. It was it was it was But that was my first
taste of like trying to be myown thing and like like
entrepreneur. So I was It was anon passive income because I
couldn't afford to quit anddrive it myself. Yep. But I
could afford to hire a driver.
When you did that, it was justlike the stress of just like, is
this dude gonna come to work? Ishe gonna get there on time?
Trying to pay that guy everyweek. Yep. Trying to make that
van payment every month.

(01:31:32):
The insurance was crazy. Yep. Itwas just it was, I was on the
wrong side of of of payroll. I'mpaying this guy. I'm paying this
guy first before the I'm like, Igot no idea what I'm doing here.
But I will say I was making thepayments. The driver was getting
paid. You feel like you'refailing, but if you it doesn't
matter if you're breaking zero.Yeah. If you survived one month,
you're a successful businessperson.

(01:31:53):
You gotta say, if you survivedthat next month, You're a
successful business person.Yeah. Non successful people
wouldn't survive, right?Exactly. So, it's like, may not
feel promising, but you're like,nah.
And it's like, but I'm I'm I'mstruggling, bro. I'm talking to
John. I'm talking to Drew. Yeah.It's like, I'm hurting, dog.
I'm I'm I remember showing Bradywet and I'm drunk. I'm crying.
I'm crying. John like, yo, like,you fine. Like it's gonna be all

(01:32:17):
right, bro.
Like, I'm

Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
like, man, you really, really talk me through
this channel.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
I'm I'm because we had a ball at his wedding, but
I'm like, I'm like, oh man, likethe van band and this and that.
I'm I'm tore up. And it's justlike, it's just so much pressure
to do your own thing. Yeah.People think that's what they
wanna get into, but some peoplewould really it's not for
everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
It was funny. And that I remember that

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
There's not.

Speaker 3 (01:32:36):
Season of Kurt's life like it was yesterday, but it's
like, even call me and John. Imean, John, dude, like, this is
like it's just being in businessfor everybody in the business.
Like, for like, like, this isit, dude. Like, you're like,
this is welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
Yo, some people have the impression that somebody was
saying on the phone the day, helike, yeah, you know, I'm trying
to start my own thing. That'swhy I got my freedom and this
and that, blah, blah. I said, Iwasn't even driving the van
myself. But with my off days, Ihad to be prepared to do
whatever it took and everything.Like, it doesn't work like that.
People think you just go inbusiness for yourself, but then
it's good to go.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
Amanda and I had this talk literally, like, yesterday,
but she was like, do you everget jealous of people that just
kinda, like, clock in for a nineto five? And it's like, they
literally live in a a state ofbliss because you when you you
don't worry about it, you justshow up, do your job, and then
you go home and you just worryabout whatever you want worry

(01:33:34):
about.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
But at the end of the day, like the big problems
aren't their problems.

Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
Exactly. But everyone and I said to him, and I was
like, I wouldn't trade what wedo, both being entrepreneurs for
that ever.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
Mhmm.

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
Because one, I'm I prefer to have control of my
life and what what I'm doing,where I was in my time, what I'm
where I'm going. Like, you allyou really choose your problems.
You know what I mean? Like,whether it's, like, the small
problems that as an employeethat you perceive as big
problems Mhmm. Or the actual bigproblems that are actually big

(01:34:05):
problems.
So it's like what weight do youwanna take on? But either way,
you're taking on weight.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
Yeah. Yeah. The I say I've said it a thousand times on
the show. I'm gonna say itagain. Everybody looks to
entrepreneurship as a solution.
Right? They go to it and theysay, it's gonna solve my freedom
issues, that I dislike my bossMhmm. That I don't make enough
money. Entrepreneurship is not asolution. It is the biggest
problem that you will ever, everwelcome into your life.

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
You know what I got out of it? You want to know?

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
I got nothing. I got absolutely nothing out of it.
Right? I lost the van. My drivertotaled it.
Right? And then I lost one of mybest friends. Right? Yeah.
Because, you know, and not to gointo that as too personal, but
it's just like that I went intobusiness with a friend, lost
that.
You know I mean? I lost the vanand I lost the down payment that
I put $15 into that van from therip. So it was just like, but

(01:34:59):
what I gained, I gainedconfidence.

Speaker 3 (01:35:02):
Knowledge.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
Am I going to do, because now I may not have a
van, but I live in a nice crib.I rent out two properties. You
know I'm saying? I dophotography on the side. I got a
podcast that pays me, you know?
So it was just like, I got otherthings going for me. Maybe the
van just wasn't it, but I gotthe lesson out of the van. I got
like when people, I don't knowhow y'all feel because you guys
are actually family, but it'sjust like, when they say like
friends and business, friends,friends and business doesn't

(01:35:25):
mix, it can, but you've really,really got to know that person
to the core. I feel like, likeif you know, if you ignored all
the red flags about this person,if you watched him do other
people dirty or do things, thenhe would do your ass dirty one
day too. You know what saying?
So was like, you gotta becareful about what you choose or
if that friend isn't worthlosing, in my honest opinion or
my I wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
That gotta

Speaker 3 (01:35:43):
think the wise man wants to money and blood don't
mix.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
Yeah. Well, you gotta you gotta, also understand that
it's like any otherrelationship. Mhmm. You gotta
work

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
on it. Yeah. I take it every time. We're not gotta
order them order themrelationships once they're in

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
communicating, you know, which has happened
throughout the journey. If we'renot communicating and we're not
being open and honest with eachother and saying, like, look. I
feel this way. I feel that way.You know, blah blah.
Not even about something evenbetween us, just general
circumstances. Then things canstart to go wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
You know I mean? Biggest breakthroughs and best
conversations happen when wewere talking every single day.
Yeah. Like, you think that'd be,like, too much. No.
But, like, having, like, fewhaunts started from Joey and I
had like, talking on the phoneevery day on the ride. It was

Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
literally a genesis.

Speaker 3 (01:36:27):
Yeah. Yeah. Literally, we were driving from
work that jobs that we didn'tlike. Yeah. And that's how we
had the idea for the a globalmovement.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
You know

Speaker 3 (01:36:36):
what I mean? Like Yeah. But then again, even,
like, my wife and I are dobusiness together, it's like, I
wouldn't have it any other way.So I mean, as do you. Like, you
know what I mean?
Like, that's that's, like, thebest business partner because,
no one understands you betterthan them.

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
Yeah. Yeah. That's true.

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
So, I mean, I think life is only what you like,
things in life like that areonly what you make it what you
make them out to be.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
Yep. And everything and all all things you do, bro.
Absolutely. For sure. For sure.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
So you would not recommend entrepreneurship to a
friend then, Jessica?

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
You gotta be true with yourself, man. I think
that's just one thing aboutlike, you gotta you gotta know.
Like, do you have that I I justsaid it. I got a trainee tonight
at work that I gotta train. Andit was kinda just like, I was I
I said, you're learn the game.
And once you learn the job,you'll be able to be real with
yourself and understand, like,do you got that dog in you to
really stay at this type? My jobis hard, bro. So was like, do
you got that dog in you toreally you want big checks? It

(01:37:27):
doesn't just come. Like, itcomes from saying yes more than
no.
You know what I mean? When themphone calls come in, like, where
you just got back to the criband they like, yo, you come back
in, run with, Terrence andSteve, duh, duh, And you gotta
drive or something like that.Yeah. Or we give you extra duh.
You, if you think about howtired you are, you're gonna say
no.
If you say, if I could just getthere, I'll be able to push
through. That's the difference.You get what I'm saying? So it's

(01:37:48):
like, you gotta ask yourself,like, you that type? Like, you
have a dog in you to get throughrough days?
It's not, I didn't quit. My vangot totaled. Now I'm not gonna
lie. When the phone call camethrough, it felt like a weight
was lifted. Knew the drone wasfully covered, fully torqued.
I didn't do anything fishy forit to happen. Brother, I can't,
I'm not gonna lie. That shit wasso stressful.

Speaker 1 (01:38:09):
I was like High power, man. At work. High power

Speaker 3 (01:38:12):
at work.

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
Right? Was like, whatever. I didn't even,

Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
My internal.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
Like, no.

Speaker 3 (01:38:30):
Oh my God.

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
No. No. Yeah. I mean, I had, but I was pleased about
everything. It was just like, Inever forget.
I was like, why do I feelrelieved? I don't like that I
felt relieved, but yeah. In thatmoment, I'm just like, all
right, I can look back and laughat it. Now I got a better
understanding of what I'mgetting into, but it also taught
me to be daring. You know I'msaying?
My wife does real estate. So itwas just like, maybe that could

(01:38:53):
be our way. Like we already hadtwo properties. I said, maybe we
could just go through realestate, like try and figure out
how to get more or just like gooff our plane. I don't care if
I'm a worker in the in thesituation where it's like, we're
we're working and all I gotta dois put in maximum effort working
and we try and accomplish thesethings and save up bank and grab
another property and get anothertenant, whatever.
Then that's fine. It's still aform of business. It may not be
like, but if I get enough ofthem shit, who can tell me

(01:39:14):
anything? You know what I'msaying? I got 10 properties
renting out.
Then it's different. But she'slike, yeah, I could look at it
that way. Or it's like, I cantry to get into something. We
always talk about a cigar loungeor something like get into
something that you like, getinto something that don't chase
money. I do.
I'll tell you all the time. Idon't do anything for money.
Nothing. Money does not move aneedle for me at all. I, I,
there, there are times thatpeople hit me up where they was

(01:39:36):
like, what?
I would rather help somebody whothought my work was great and
they wish they could have, youknow, trying to figure something
out, but they say, Hey, I justgot like this budget. I know
this prop. I love when peoplesay something like, I know you
probably won't accept this. Youdon't know what I'll accept.
Yeah.
But I love your humility. Youknow I'm saying? Where it's just
like, how about this? I'll do itfor such and such.

Speaker 3 (01:39:52):
I'll remember that next time we

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
only look. Yeah. Only

Speaker 3 (01:39:57):
Kurt, I love your work.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
Yeah. That's just our case here.

Speaker 1 (01:40:01):
Yeah. The only the only way to really earn is is to
learn first.

Speaker 2 (01:40:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:40:06):
And it sounds cliche until it's not. Mhmm. The best
learnings come from losses.Yeah. It just is dude.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
It is what it

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
is. I don't even like saying it is what it is. Mhmm.
But it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
It is. Listen. What it is.

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
It's it's the truth.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:40:20):
You know? And you have a bunch of people out here
with the bosses make bosses andand

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
It sounds cliche. Yeah. At the end of the day, the
way to earn Yeah. Is to learn.And the best lessons you're
gonna learn from when you lose.

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
Yeah. You guys, we probably could ask anybody out
there. If you ask a story,you're gonna hear a loss in it.
You're gonna hear something thatwas very pivotal or very, you
know I mean? To their storywhere it's just like, all right,
cool.
Like he got set back and he iswhat he did after that. Like,
was he resilient? Did he youknow what mean? Persevered
through the adversity. You knowwhat mean?
When you hear those type ofstories, it's like, it makes you
realize like, yo, it's okay tofail. Like, what do say? Fail

(01:40:55):
forward?

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
Everybody's that's everybody's gonna get knocked
backwards. What matters is thefirst step that you take forward
after that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
After that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:02):
That's literally the defining moment.

Speaker 2 (01:41:03):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:04):
It's gonna be imperfect. Maybe you take a step
forward and you trip forward andfall forward.

Speaker 2 (01:41:07):
Hey, man.

Speaker 1 (01:41:08):
But guess what?

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
You're moving in that direction. You're moving. Yeah.
That's fact. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
So because I try like, Parker struggled as great
as a kid is. He struggled withlosing. Like, he just, like,
hates losing. And I always liketo tell him, like, he looks like
Michael Jordan is, like, thebest baseball player ever,
obviously, as you should. AndI'm like, how many like, Parker,
how many

Speaker 1 (01:41:26):
times Cut from high school.

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
I mean, how many times that you lost? Like, I
literally have to explain tohim. Like, even the greats,
dude, like, in business and

Speaker 1 (01:41:34):
Mhmm.

Speaker 3 (01:41:34):
Athletics and whatever. Like, they've all lost
so

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
many times. Nope. Nope. Nobody. I guess Floyd
Mayweather on a professionalstandpoint, but in life I'm
sure.
Like everywhere, it doesn'tmatter wherever it is. Life,
wherever you may have, may bewithout blemish in this one
area, but somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (01:41:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
It exists.

Speaker 1 (01:41:54):
You know

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
what I mean? That's like, because nobody's perfect
in life. Like it just doesn'texist. So yeah, I would
definitely say same thing. If hedoes struggle with the loss,
would just say.

Speaker 3 (01:42:03):
Stop being a bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
That doesn't seem like Kirk.

Speaker 2 (01:42:06):
No, because my my middle daughter, she hate losing
too. Like she run off, cry, thisand that. You could tell them
two things. Well, don't. That'sone.
That's probably Michael Jordanprobably tell you, well, don't
lose. Well, don't. Yeah. Well,don't lose. Or it's like, you
take that and it's wastedenergy.
Bill Withers, man. Like, likewhat is wasted tears, it is.
That'll make no flowers grow.You know what saying? That's how

(01:42:26):
you gotta look at it where it'sjust do something better with
that energy.
Crying. I tell my kids all day,every day crying doesn't solve
nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:42:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
All day, every day. It's like, when they cry, I'll
like, even when we stopped tohave the conversation and they
stopped crying, I say, well,what did the crying get you? It
didn't get you anything. Youcould have took that energy and
did something else with it andmade your next move your best
move. Right?
But crying doesn't solveanything. I cry to, crying is
like taking the soul to thelaundromat. That's the only
reason I use crying for. Yeah.Just if I want to like let pain

(01:42:55):
and emotion out, I always tellpeople cry, dawg.
Like if

Speaker 3 (01:42:58):
you gotta cry, cry.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
Yeah. Just release.

Speaker 1 (01:42:59):
You can

Speaker 2 (01:42:59):
carry on. Release. Yeah. Release. Because I don't
like, like I'm not depressedabout losses and people that
pass because I Funerals, thisI'm balling.
I'm out of it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
But you're you're shedding the weight. You're
releasing the weight so that youcan step forward lighter.

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
Yeah. Yeah. But if you're crying for other things,
to me, just, it don't make nosense. My soul. That's nice.

(01:43:36):
There's nothing like it. Nothinglike it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:38):
Alright. Well, do you have any any questions or
thoughts for Kurt?

Speaker 1 (01:43:42):
I don't I mean, I think we should probably have
part two because I am I aminterested in, Kurt, the dad,
the father, stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:43:50):
We'll come back to the lessons from Kurt Graham.
Could be a whole segment. Iknow. Maybe we

Speaker 1 (01:43:55):
can maybe we can show up on one of Kurt's shows,
maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
Never got the invite.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
Maybe I'll bring some MMA beds. Never invite. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
Yeah. This guy's got bigger biceps.

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:44:14):
Yeah. What what within the when within the range
comes back. Mhmm. We'll be onthat one.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
Yeah. That that will probably be a a a little a
little better. Yeah. Becausethat's more conversation versus
Yeah. Yeah.
The one we do.

Speaker 3 (01:44:24):
I don't need be on the I don't need to be on

Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
I on you would.

Speaker 3 (01:44:29):
I know you would. I've already I've already

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
been roasting

Speaker 1 (01:44:31):
trying to talk about personal development and and
life is a blue belt.

Speaker 2 (01:44:34):
Yeah. I

Speaker 3 (01:44:34):
I don't need to be roasted.

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
Everybody skipped the sixteen thirty four. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:44:38):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:38):
Exactly. Dude, talking way too much.

Speaker 3 (01:44:40):
I've I've already taken the risk of having Kurt
and coach Sean on podcast. Beingon a podcast with Tom Brady
would just be another.

Speaker 1 (01:44:47):
I'll tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:44:47):
When he's a legend on this show, but when

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
he it's

Speaker 3 (01:44:49):
on this one day.

Speaker 1 (01:44:50):
Two or four down. You get Sean and Simon on, then
you're

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
in the

Speaker 1 (01:44:53):
clear, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:44:54):
No. No. Simon Simon me and Simon are cool.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
Yeah. You

Speaker 2 (01:44:56):
can get Simon on.

Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
No. He he's he's he's on the list. I told I told him.
Okay. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
Okay. You can say.

Speaker 1 (01:45:01):
That's just Sean.

Speaker 3 (01:45:16):
Because I am.

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
Sean, you're going record here.

Speaker 3 (01:45:19):
I mincemeat for that episode.

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
But shout out to the, to the, the boy, man. Cause he,
he about to.

Speaker 3 (01:45:24):
He brought us all together.

Speaker 2 (01:45:25):
When I say fired up, I know you're trying end the
show, but I just want I am firedup, dog. Same. Like, and people
don't realize how how especiallyeven just for my journey, man.
I'm like, took a risk to reallyinvest into just sticking around
and and doing this. And it'slike, when I say paying off,
this time it was like, yo, canyou get my credentials for the
back and this and that, blah,blah.
This is like, here, talk to suchand such and boom, here, keep
this just in case. And it'slike, it just shows like you

(01:45:47):
really made a name for yourself.When you go to these places and
like people may, they, they,they know your face now. They
know that, oh, that's Sean's boyor whatever, blah, blah. But in
a sense of just Philadelphiapossibly, we're about to have a
number one contender speakinginto existence.
Going to win. Absolutely. Andthen it's just the thought of
just bringing it back, bringingthe title back here again. You
know what And I'm I'm so upset.I had this hard drive.

(01:46:07):
We were talking in the car onetime and he had said something.
I said, this is gonna be apowerful clip when we get there.
But he was like, you know, likeI don't wanna be one of these
guys that like move out ofPhilly and dah, dah, fight. Like
when I'm the champion, I wannabe from Philadelphia, fighting
out of Philadelphia. And hesaid, I remember he said that,
and I, the hard drive broke,they could like inject the
memory and put it on, sent itoff and who loses it?

(01:46:28):
UPS. Probably me for not sendingit the right way. I probably
sent it like regular and theyprobably was like, ah. But I was
like, damn, I needed to becauseI was like, I remember he said
that. And I remember the chillsI got when he said that.
Was like, dog, I was like andthat was like the first time I
started like seeing his mind. Iwas like, this guy lives, eats,
sleeps the dream where it's justThe vision. We sniffing it, man.

(01:46:49):
We

Speaker 3 (01:46:49):
right There's no way to get that clip clip. At
Please.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
I got

Speaker 3 (01:46:52):
chills just right here.

Speaker 1 (01:46:53):
Let tell you a story, man. Something how how long ago
was that? A couple years?

Speaker 2 (01:46:57):
It's been a while. Tried to go through UPS. They
they never found it. It'sprobably just sitting on some
random pile of some warehouse,

Speaker 1 (01:47:02):
like Listen. Sometimes things have their way
of finding their home, man.

Speaker 3 (01:47:06):
No way.

Speaker 1 (01:47:07):
You never know.

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
I don't know. They had all the Eddie stuff, all the
just all the stuff from thebeginning, prior Oath you
watched. It was just a harddrive. I sent it off to get it
replaced and fixed.

Speaker 1 (01:47:16):
Well, you're listening, you got that hard
drive. Yeah. Not even petty.

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
Is what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:47:22):
I will say, just like you were saying actually in the
beginning of the show, like,when you meet one of the fewer
or or someone that embodies afew hunt mindset of what it
means to be an Eagle. Mhmm.Like, you know, like, we didn't
have to talk that much to knowthat we just, and that's why
we're still in each other'slives to this day. Like, it's,
what, seven, eight, like, sevenyears old. Like, that's that's,
like

Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
Mhmm.

Speaker 3 (01:47:41):
In my book, a long friendship. Like Right.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
For sure.

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
And I don't hate you. And when and not to guess Sean
up too much. Like, when I metSean, like, him and I did and I
I believe he would say the same,but we connected on a different
level because we understood eachother. Like, obviously, not an
athlete.

Speaker 2 (01:47:59):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:48:00):
But he understands where I come from, what I was
trying to do, and and I waslocked in on my vision, what I
was gonna create. Mhmm. And Ithink we had a mutual
understanding that, like, hey.We're we might be on two
different journeys, but comefrom the same cloth.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:48:12):
And no one, myself included, is more committed to
where they're going than as fromBrady. Like, he is my dude is
locked in.

Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:48:23):
And no one will tell him he's not going to do what he
wants to do.

Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
He's one of those insanity. He's one of, like,
Goggins locked in guys. Yeah. Orlike, like guys who risk it all,
lost it all. Like, you know whatmean?
Like, there's nothing that'sgoing to like stop him. Like,
remember asking him, we weredoing like something for Brooks
or something like that. And, wasjust asking him couple of
questions. I was like, is therelike a voice in your head? And I
just remember how he said it.
Like, it was almost like I hitlike a nerve or like, like I'm

(01:48:48):
speaking on a truth that hedon't even talk about. He was
like, like, I was like, it's anagging, it's a drop. Know I'm
saying? Where I was just like,don't know if I have something
like that, that whatever. Butfor him it's like, it's a
nuisance.
You know I'm saying? Like iteats at him. Like he has to get

(01:49:09):
to it. Right? And that's what'sgoing to get him to it.
That voice that Yep. I'm I gottayou know what I mean? To go and
to

Speaker 3 (01:49:15):
And to and to hear, like, he failure is not an
option. Like, he I don't thinkthat option of losing is even in
his brain. You know what I mean?Like, that's what's amazing
about it. Like, most somefighters or athletes might feel
like, what if I lose?
Mhmm. Like, I just don't eventhink he sees it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:32):
Like that. You never really you you never hear nobody

Speaker 3 (01:49:34):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:49:34):
Hear him talk from that standpoint. Exactly. You
should, though. You shouldn't gointo something thinking you're
gonna lose. You should go intosomething believing that you're
gonna win.

Speaker 3 (01:49:40):
Exactly. Oh, I see.

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
It's what you do. Like you said, it's what do
after. If it happens, I'm I'mprepared for it. It happens, if
something not that, but ifsomething happens in my life
where it forced me to fail orwhatever, then cool. But I think
that fear, that respectable fearof big, like I said, your
dreams, your goals, they shouldscare you.
They should be that big thatthey do scare you. Everything
I've done when I was trying to apolice officer, all types of

(01:50:00):
stuff. When I was prepared totake this run, it brought the
stress you is the best you. Ialways say that you will never
perform better than when you areunder pressure. When you are
under pressure, adrenaline,stuff like that, like I said,
that is that is the best versionof yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:50:15):
It's the literally the the the meaning or the
motive or the purpose behindstress to sharpen you. Yeah.
That's what it is. Yeah. We justlet it take the wheel.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
Yeah. Yeah. No, you feed, you, you feed off that
fear, those butterflies, allthat stuff like that, that has
been the best version of me towhether it was tests, physical
fitness tests.

Speaker 3 (01:50:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
Like in anything, like, because I was so scared of
failing that I prepared so wellfor it. And I still didn't know
if I was gonna do it or not. Butwhen I got out there, all the
work you put in to get to thatmoment pays off, like right
there in that So I stress you asthe best. That's the only thing
I can tell you.

Speaker 1 (01:50:49):
Yeah. That that, the the story I told about Sean and
the voice, it's a

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
call it

Speaker 1 (01:50:54):
passenger. I

Speaker 2 (01:50:55):
have it. You call it the passenger you say? Like, you
ride along. It it drives them,man. Drives them.

Speaker 1 (01:50:59):
You're you're road dog. You ride along. You're a
passenger.

Speaker 2 (01:51:02):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It makes you understand, like, why
you could just keep keep goinglike that. And again, I don't
think everyone has that, butwhen you have that, I think you
are definitely on the brink oflike insanity.
Like it drives you crazy and youhave to reach it. You know what
I mean? And I hope, I don't knowwhat happens when you reach it.
Now it doesn't keep, now I gottabe the best at it. Right.
So I don't, I do not know, butI'm just, I'm looking forward to

(01:51:22):
seeing where it goes. I hopethis goes absolutely well. Can't
wait to be out there. I hope Idelivered. If you don't follow
Brady fight weeks, deliver a lotof his content during, during
fight week.
Follow me, Kurt, see like, like,like the content from the fight
weeks to me is just like, I putso much into just trying to tell
a story of that week. Follow afew on hunt. Cause I'll be
locking in with y'all too, doingcontent. So it's just like the

(01:51:45):
cut weight, all that stuff. LikeI just, I love, I just love all
the emotion you get from thatweek.
So, I can't wait one more week.We out there. Yeah, it's like,

Speaker 1 (01:51:53):
forward to Tell the community where to find you.
Spell it out if you could.

Speaker 2 (01:51:57):
You're I am underscore curt I c courtesy.
It's a double entendre. I hatewhen people like, what is it
curt IC or courtesy?

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
It's both. Like

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
it's both. But yeah, it also follow Marques MMA. Also
do most of the content on thatpage. And yeah, I don't do
Facebook. Nobody does Facebook.

Speaker 3 (01:52:16):
Facebook is a slumber status.

Speaker 1 (01:52:17):
I don't

Speaker 2 (01:52:17):
know what Facebook is for nowadays. It's all the
drama. Right? I was gonna say,

Speaker 1 (01:52:21):
it's just

Speaker 2 (01:52:21):
drama. Like, oh, out. And keep up with grandma. You
know what I mean? But other thanthat, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:52:30):
Alright. Well, Kurt, thank you for being one of my
closest friends and thank youfor being one of the few.

Speaker 2 (01:52:35):
My dog, man.

Speaker 3 (01:52:37):
That being said, I leave the few with a reminder.
Always choose hard work overhandouts. Always choose effort
over entitlement. And remember,no one owes you. No one owns
you.
You're one of the few. Now let'shunt.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
All that way you say it.

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