June 18, 2025 • 67 mins
Ever wondered what makes a TV show more than just entertainment? Filmmaker Taylor Morden joins me to explore how Lost became a cultural touchstone that transformed television and connected millions of viewers worldwide.
Morden, director of the documentary Getting Lost, shares his journey from skeptical viewer to devoted fan after properly watching the series from the beginning. What started as curiosity about a popular show became a six-year obsession that formed friendships he maintains to this day. His documentary captures not just the creative impact of the series but the profound human connections it fostered: people who met spouses through fan forums, formed lifelong friendships, and even found career inspiration through their shared love of the island's mysteries.
Our chat delves into what made Lost revolutionary: its cinematic production values, complex mythology, and emergence at a unique moment when the internet was evolving but hadn't yet fragmented our collective cultural experiences. Unlike today's algorithm-fed content streams where "no one agrees on what the thing is," Lost represented perhaps the last major shared cultural phenomenon that united viewers across demographics. The weekly release schedule, online theories, and emerging podcast culture created a community experience that feels increasingly rare in our on-demand world.
Beyond Lost, Morden and myself explore the changing landscape of media consumption, from the death of video rental stores to the dwindling theatrical experience. We reflect on our favorite Lost characters (from Charlie and Hurley to Locke and Rose & Bernard), standout episodes, and the show's lasting impact on television storytelling.
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Speaker 2 (00:00):
Guys where are we?
So I watched an episode and Iwent back to my friends and I
was like this show is terrible,I don't understand.
And then that summer, throughthe magic of DVD, I watched the
first season all in a rowBecause everybody was like
you're wrong, you're stupid, youhave to check it out.
(00:20):
And I burned through that firstseason in five days and I was
hooked.
So then for six years I'm inthe people I met through that
show.
I'm still friends with many ofthem today.
I loved that TV show.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Hey folks, and welcome back to the Film Nuts
podcast, a show about why welove what we watch.
I'm your host, taylor D Adams,storyteller, filmmaker and
unofficial member of the DharmaInitiative.
I am so glad you decided tojoin us today.
So let's for a moment take abreath and think about how we
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came to know our closest friendsin life.
Did we meet them at school?
Did we grow up across thestreet from them?
Did we survive oceanic flight815?
Lost was, and still is, alandmark television series about
a group of people learning tolive together on a mysterious
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island.
Of course, that simple sentencecomes nowhere close to
describing just how complex,intricate and bonkers this
series is.
As my favorite show of all time, it has had a lasting impact on
me, but I am not alone.
Others have been so inspired tostart podcasts dedicated to
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Lost, some founded online forumsand message boards, and one man
even made a documentary aboutLost's everlasting legacy.
Taylor Morden is a filmmaker andthe director of Getting Lost, a
film that showcases how the hitABC show changed the television
landscape, united a global fanbase and deeply affected the
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cast and crew.
Taylor did not immediately fallin love with Lost, but once he
gave it a second chance.
It truly altered his lifetrajectory.
Taylor and I chat about makingfriends with fellow Lost fans,
the idea of film and televisionbeing an experience, and which
Lost characters just got itright all along.
(02:25):
So crack open a Dharma brandbeer and check out Taylor Morden
talking about Lost on the FilmNods podcast In your background.
Do you consciously have yourmedia arranged by color code?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yes, which makes it very difficult to find movies,
but I like the vibes, you knowlooks great though, yeah my
partner's the same way.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
We have whatever books we have in the house, like
she arranges them by the colorand I'm like but how do I find
what I'm looking?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
for I've gotten used to it, like I know the colors of
most tapes uh, they're all VHSso yeah, yeah, that's great.
But then it becomes verydifficult when I get new tapes
because I'm like fuck, it'sanother orange one, I don't have
room in the orange section, Igotta get rid of orange yeah, so
is that?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
is it all?
Vhs is behind you.
Yeah, wow that's so.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, it's.
It's like floor to ceiling.
Wow, it's like a few hundredtapes and there's more.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Just that didn't fit the color coding you know.
So like are you just collectingVHSs?
Is that what you're doing?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I mean, I collect everything.
There's like walls of NinjaTurtles oh wow, I build robots
in my spare time.
I'm a big physical media guy.
There's like walls of NinjaTurtles oh wow, I build robots
in my spare time.
I'm a big physical media guy.
There's records upstairs.
You know Peter Panning it.
I don't want to grow up.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I understand that I don't buy a lot of physical
things, but the one thing I dowill be movies, DVDs, box sets.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I need to have that I still, you know I'm I'm 4k
criterion and also vhs laserdisc, beta laser disc whoa, yeah
, I've got a killer laser disccollection and one working laser
disc player, which is thehardest thing to come by.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah I was like I can't think of the last time I
actually saw a laser disc player.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
That's really cool most of them don't work.
They wear out really fastbecause the motors and the
lasers, like they, weren't verywell made and there weren't that
many of them, so they'regetting hard to come by.
But I hoard working techs.
I have like seven working VCRsthat are good, because then when
they break no one fixes them.
Yeah, so you, just when I finda good one with a remote I I
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snake them up and put them in acloset.
That's great.
Is this the?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
podcast.
Is this what we're doing?
Yeah, Might as well.
Let's just talk about yourcollection of shit.
This is great.
Uh, love it.
I was looking at, uh, some ofthe work you've done, uh,
including getting lost, which Irecently watched and I'm so
happy you agreed to talk aboutit.
Um, and I also also startedwatching your Scott documentary,
cause I'm a huge Scott fan and,um, I I gotta know, like it
(05:12):
seems to be, there's like athread with some of your, your
nonfiction work, yourdocumentary center around pop
culture.
Like why is that?
Uh?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
because I am not very well read.
Uh, I'm not a religious person,so I feel like if I didn't have
pop culture, I wouldn't haveany culture at all.
So, the way I like to look atit, I grew up, um, you know,
single mom who worked a lot.
I spent a lot of time in frontof the TV.
(05:44):
Comic books just video gamesand movies were my world.
I didn't always have a lot offriends, but I could always turn
to TV and VHS tapes and comicbooks and things like that.
As you know, my, my mythos, sortof my, my worldview right, Came
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from these things.
So I identify very heavily assomeone who was a child of the
eighties and nineties which wasso drenched in pop culture.
Like it was the last time inthe pre-internet era.
I think it was the last timewhen as a society, at least in
America, we all kind of agreedon what the things were.
(06:34):
You know, there was a period oftime when, like you, couldn't
go anywhere without Batman beingthe thing, right, 1989, batman
a couple months, and then acouple years later it's like
Terminator 2 is the thing,titanic is the thing, jurassic
(06:56):
Park is the thing, theBackstreet Boys are the thing,
whatever, the Teenage MutantNinja Turtles are the thing, and
we all agreed.
And then the 2000s come and theinternet and everything's
segmented and the major recordlabels crumble and the movie
studios lose a grip oneverything and everything's
indie and everything's a podcastand everything's you know, uh,
(07:19):
custom.
Everybody gets their own mediathrough their own algorithm feed
of whatever it is youspecifically want.
So no one agrees on what thething is.
So now you go meet up with abunch of friends and everybody's
like listing shows you have towatch that you've never heard of
on some streaming platform.
That you've never heard of.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Right.
So I just I'm a nostalgia kidand I love the time when we all
agreed what the thing was.
Right, my little pony, itwasn't my thing, but I knew it
was the thing.
So even if I wasn't into thething, I was culturally aware of
what the thing was.
So I think that's where myfascination with pop culture
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comes from.
Is I just I liked when we couldall just agree on on the thing
and maybe other people get thatfrom going to church or you know
, an Elks club get together orwhatever sports.
Other people love sports.
Yeah Right, I don't do sports,I don't know what that is.
And other people have alwayshad this thing where it's like,
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oh, it's Sunday, we got to watchthe sports thing and I'm
following my team and I'm like,great, you have that.
And they still agree what thething is.
Yeah, 30, 40 years laterthey're like it's still the
Minnesota Viking.
I don't know what teams are.
That's a team.
Good job, great LA Lakers,that's like there we go, it's
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two for two.
Because it's in LA.
I've heard of it, but you knowwhat I mean.
Like, other people have sports,other people have religion, I
have television movies and comicbooks and video games
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no-transcript.
That's where the idea for thelost documentary came from.
Is that's one of the last showsI can remember.
That was that thing that we allagreed at least many people,
millions, 20 million peopleagreed was the thing.
That finale of lost wasinescapable.
(09:46):
And that's one of the lasttimes I can remember something
being the thing.
Game of thrones came close.
You know, not quite the numbers, but at least pop culture wise.
We're like that's the thing, weall know it.
But lost was for sure the thingfor a minute.
And to think that that even thefinale was 15 years ago, but
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the beginning of it was 20 yearsago.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Like 21 years ago now , like that show came out and
children that were born thatyear can drink now Come on.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
I know, right, that's wild.
So so, yeah, like I mean I dowant to talk about getting lost,
I do.
I mean that's why you're onhere, yeah, so I mean you talk
about just it's, it's itsexistence, its importance you
refer to as kind of the lasttime you thought of this kind of
like more massive culturalconnection, either nationwide or
(10:42):
worldwide.
Um, but why, why did you wantto make a movie about lost?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Um, I loved that TV show I.
It was.
For me, uh, it was one of thosethings.
I had kind of outgrowntelevision a bit early, two
thousands, I think TV wasn't.
You know, I was in college waslike tv ain't what it used to be
.
You know, I wasn't sitting downwatching shows, uh, a little
(11:12):
bit on dvd, but it was like boxsets of saved by the bell and
stuff I grew up on, because dvdwas the thing in that moment.
Uh, from blockbuster video andit people were talking about
this new show, this like weirdmystery, cool show.
Like I wasn't on board from thebeginning but that first um
(11:34):
season came out and everybodywas talking about it, at least
in my circle, because we're allkind of sci-fi nerds and you
know that's who was into thisshow, which was weird for a
network tv show I had heardabout a little bit.
You know, like buffy and othernerd shows, I'm like, oh cool,
there's nerd shows, that's neat.
But this was an abc prime timeshow.
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I'm like there's no way it'scool, right, I mean because
early 2000s they weren't cool.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Like it was just legal drama, medical drama.
That was like all they had.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I'm like okay, so what kind, what version of law
and order is this?
Oh, they're on an Island.
Okay, so it's Gilligan's Islandand order.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Right, Okay great Um.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
And then I watched one episode, um, and it was
terrible cause you can't watchone episode, which wasn't a
thing at that time.
There wasn't serialized mysterylong form drama on network
television so I assumed, likeeveryone else, that you could
just watch any episode like aLaw and Order or a medical, like
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an ER or whatever.
I thought you could pop in andget the gist like Gilligan's
Island, which I had watchedindividual episodes of my whole
life and been like great HarlemGlobetrotters, I get it, they're
not going to get off the island.
So I watched an episode and Iwent back to my friends and I
was like this show is terrible,I don't understand.
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It was the episode middle ofseason one.
It was a Michael and Waltepisode.
It's called Special.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I'm a wreck right now , okay.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
What I'm supposed to give a damn about you.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Hey, I just lost the woman I love.
All right, I can't be hisfather.
Shut up, bitch.
What the hell are you talkingabout?
You're the only father he knows.
It's more than that.
Then what?
There's just something abouthim.
What the hell are you talkingabout, man?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Sometimes, when he's around, things happen.
He's different somehow.
I'm like, okay, this show'sabout a kid who has psychic
powers, who lives in New Yorkand doesn't, and then his dad
and then his mom dies, and then,okay, there's a polar bear, and
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then there's these othercharacters that I don't know
anything about running around onan island trying to ration
medicine or food or I don't know.
But it's mostly about thispsychic kid, but he's not
psychic.
The show makes no sense.
I hate it, right, because theydon't explain anything.
Yes, and that had neverhappened on TV.
(14:10):
And then I sort of wrote it off.
And then that summer, throughthe magic of DVD, I watched the
first season all in a rowbecause it was like you're wrong
, you're stupid, you have tocheck it out.
And then the DVDs came out ondiscs.
First disc had the pilot,tabula Rasa and Walkabout on it,
(14:31):
mm-hmm.
And the pilot is amazing.
It's one of the best pilotsever made.
Yeah, that first episode isgood.
It's a good episode oftelevision, but it's nothing to
write home about.
And then Walkabout, I think, isone of the greatest episodes of
television ever written, everproduced, and changed my view of
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television forever.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
You want a plane back to Sydney?
On our dime, it's the best Ican no, I don't want to go back
to Sydney.
Look, I've been preparing forthis for years.
Just put me on the bus rightnow.
I can do this.
No, you can't.
Hey.
Hey, don't you walk away fromme.
You don't know who you'redealing with.
Don't ever tell me what I can'tdo, ever.
This is destiny.
This is destiny.
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This is my destiny.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I'm supposed to do this, dammit.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Don't tell me what I can't do.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Don't tell me what I can't do.
Don't tell me what I can't do.
And then I had to drive an hourone way back to Blockbuster
Video to get the second disc ofLost, and immediately.
So I went, returned the firstdisc, got the second disc that
same day.
It's like they're closing, youknow, at midnight.
Blockbuster used to stay upuntil midnight.
(15:45):
Gotta get there before theyclose and get the second disc.
And I burned through that firstseason in I don't know five
days or something, and I washooked.
So then for six years I'm inand I'm one of those people
who's obsessed with the messageboards and the podcast.
I'd never heard of a podcast,and so for like a year.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I thought all podcasts were about Lost.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I was like podcast is just a word for people talking
about Lost and I have a littlebit of an obsessive personality.
I get really into things andLost was that thing for like
almost six years.
The people I met through thatshow I'm still friends with many
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of them today um, I I got to goto hawaii and visit the set
during their final seasonbecause oh nice, my wife is
amazing and for my birthday,took me on a trip.
Oh man, that's so cool and I wasthere, like they did a big
explosion day and I was standingright there and I was just like
I was not yet even thinkingabout becoming a filmmaker, but
that was my first time on a realset and I was like I think I
(16:50):
might want to do this with mylife.
So you know, cut to 10 yearslater, I start thinking about
making films and it was alwaysin the back of my mind of like
one of these days I'm going totell the story of what it was
like to be a fan of this thingfor this time, because it was
such a unique thing.
I've been a fan of a ton ofthings, been a star wars fan my
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whole life.
I've been into a bunch of othervery specific pop culture
things.
For you know, a year, fiveyears, 40 years, whatever it
nothing was quite the same asthe experience of being a lost
fan.
When Sort of the internet wasfiguring out how to interact
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with television, podcasts werebeing invented, message boards
were like on their way out,social media was on its way up.
We were connecting in a way youknow Twitter was invented.
During that show, you could aska question of the internet and,
like the writers of the show,would read it, contemplate it
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and maybe change the show.
Yeah, because before theyrealized don't do that.
You know, like immediatelyafter Breaking Bad comes out and
they're like do not engage withthe fans Because they learned
from Lost right.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
They don't know what they want or they're doing.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Right, do not read the comments, right?
Yeah, but it was too early forthem to know that.
So it was this unique point intime that never happened before,
because we didn't have theinternet, we didn't have these
online fan communities, and itwill never happen again, because
the internet has become thedumpster fire we all live in now
.
So that's why I'm sorry if thatwas way too many words for your
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no.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Please keep going that's why I'm sorry if that was
way too many words for your.
No, please keep going.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
That's why I wanted to make this documentary is
because I lived.
It is a very personal thing forme.
I was a huge fan of the showand also, when you're a huge fan
of something and you're adocumentary filmmaker, in the
back of your head you're likewhat can I do to like maybe get
to hang out with JJ Abrams, likein what world.
Yeah, like, maybe if I spendthree years of my life
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documenting his first big hitshow.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I mean, I feel like that's a good enough reason to
do anything.
I feel like yeah, if and it wassomeone who, like, like, similar
to you, like I really wasinvested in TV from like a
really young age and I've haddifferent shows just inspire me
to want to like be in that world, like be in that filmmaking
(19:26):
world.
I mean loss is definitely oneof them.
And then, um, actually the this, uh, this comedy on USA called
psych really made me want tolike make TV too, Cause it I
watched like all the behind thescenes stuff and everybody just
seems like you're having themost fun in the world and I was
like I would like to have funfor a living.
That seems like a really niceway to spend my life.
Um, so I'm I definitely reallyappreciate that angle and can
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totally understand as well.
Um, so, like when you were,when you watched that first,
when you watched the firstepisode you ever saw, were you
by your, by yourself, Did likefriends sit you down and make
you watch it.
Like what was that?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
experience.
No, I was in a hotel room, Iwas traveling somewhere and I
wish I could remember what I wasdoing or where, cause this
question has come up a lot inthe last couple of years.
But I really can't, because Ididn't have cable and I lived in
rural Oregon.
I still kind of live in not ahuge city, but I live in Oregon
(20:26):
and we didn't have broadcast TV,so it's not like I could even
tune in if I wanted to.
I didn't have cable.
So I was in a hotel and it wasone of those like the guide
thing came up on the hotelscreen and it said you know, hey
, in 10 minutes lost is on.
I'm like, oh, that's that showeverybody's talking about.
So that was the only way I wasgoing to see a random episode.
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I was by myself.
It had my undivided attention.
You know when you're in a hotel, and this is 10 years before
smartphones.
It's not like I'm scrollingthrough Instagram, which won't
be invented for another 12 years.
I'm just watching this TV showand I was really trying because,
like you, tv was so important.
(21:09):
I was like I'm going to givethis the old college try.
I was like I'm going to givethis the old college try.
I believe people when they tellme something is good because
I'm just a fan of things andthis was smart people, the
people that I trusted that werelike you know, these are the
good diehard movies and theseare the bad diehard movies and
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they're right.
I'm like, ok, and they'resaying Lost is good, great, but
they didn't say you have towatch the pilot.
They left out.
The key thing is like start fromthe beginning, you know, yeah,
which, in hindsight, was thewhole ballgame.
Like you have to, yeah, butagain, that hadn't been a thing
before.
Lost.
(21:50):
Like most network shows almostall network shows you could
start wherever.
Like you can watch any episodeof Cheers and get it, yeah, and
you don't need to understandthat Sam Malone used to be a
baseball player.
And then you know, I don't evenknow injured Sports.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I don't have any idea .
Speaker 2 (22:12):
But now he runs a bar , right.
Yeah, that's the whole setup.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
So Lost is a bit more complicated, yeah, uh, yeah,
it's so interesting that, like Ikind of always know what you're
talking about, but wording itfeels like it feels
revolutionary, just to word it,because in a way it's like, yeah
, watch the show, and you watchwhatever version of the show you
can get your hands on, but yeah, at the time you're like, no,
actually you need to likesomehow go back in time or wait
until the season's over and buythe box set and then watch it.
Yeah, because it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I mean, it's hard for young people to understand.
Uh, I don't know, you seemyounger than I am, but 38, yeah,
so you're a little younger thanI am, but you understand.
But I've talked to people now,you know, in their 20s, who
cannot comprehend a time whenyou couldn't just watch whatever
you want.
(23:07):
Yeah, right, lost aired.
At a time when, if you wantedto watch an episode and you
weren't sitting on the couch,you know, dvrs were brand new.
Most people did not have one.
Yeah, I've talked to peoplemaking this documentary.
Who programmed a VCR to tapethis show.
Yeah, that was one of thosepeople which most people didn't
(23:29):
know how to do, like nobody'sparents knew how to program the
VCR.
You had to be like a teenager,a smart teenager, like not a
sports teenager, no offense towhoever but like a nerd teenager
.
To program a VCR it was likeprogramming a computer.
At that time You're like I'mdoing computer, I've hacked the
VCR to get it to tape.
(23:50):
Lost, yeah, lost, yeah.
And then you could watch itagain.
And people were doing thatbecause there were hidden
secrets in the episodes which,again, was not a thing before.
This show, really, you know,maybe like some star trek
episodes, people were dissectinglike this in like the next
generation, which cool, but thatwas a different thing.
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That was specifically a sci-fishow.
Lost also had this thing to itwhich was genius and
revolutionary, where it alsoappealed to I'm going to say not
nerds, to normal people,because in addition to being a
science fiction serializedmystery, in addition to being a
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science fiction serializedmystery, brain bending, time
travel, weird, you know,semi-spiritual monster, crazy
show yeah, it's also just reallyhot people running around on a
beach yeah and relationshipdramas right.
So like you can watch it, yourmom can watch it, your cousin
can watch it, like millions ofpeople watched it, and we all
got different things out of it,which was, again, something very
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unique, hadn't really happenedbefore, hadn't happened later.
Like I watched star trek and mynerd friends watched star trek,
but none of the cool kids werewatching star trek.
Lost came along and of the coolkids were watching Star Trek,
lost came along and, like thecool kids watched it and did not
care about the time travel andthe nerds watched it and did not
care about the relationships.
Yeah, and everybody had a goodtime.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yeah, yeah, it was one of those.
I guess I think they call themfour quadrant shows or something
like that.
Yeah, something for everybody.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Like, as long as Sawyer takes his shirt off,
something for everybody.
Yeah, like, as long as Sawyertakes his shirt off, you can put
.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
You can put as much like fancy, you know
astrophysics, whatever in DanielFaraday's notebook as you want
uh, yeah, I had a had a reallygood friend or I still have a
really good friend but I met herin college and, um, yeah, she
was a big Sawyer fan.
I was like something's wrongwith you.
He's not a good.
There's some toxicity going onthere.
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
He's a very charming man, yep.
That's why he's a con man.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Uh.
So for you, what was the mostrewarding part um rewarding
experience?
Uh making getting lost making,getting lost.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Um, I mean, there was something really special in
connecting or reconnecting withthis fan community all these
years later and hearing thestories of how the show impacted
real people's lives.
In a way, some of the stories Ialready knew.
Some of the stories I alreadyknew, some of the people I
already knew, but some I didn't.
(26:38):
And there's stuff that's in themovie, stuff that's not even in
the movie, that's just, youknow, anecdotally.
We've talked to so many peoplethat you know, met their spouse
because of this show or havelifelong friends because of this
show, or still, you know, likereal human connection because of
(27:02):
a TV show and in ourdocumentary I think it's Damon
who says it at the end it's like, you know, a TV show is just a
TV show, but like we're allstriving for that human
connection and the fact that forsome people this show brought
them together and those peopleare still together it's like any
(27:24):
form of pop culture or mediathat can do that for anybody is
amazing.
It's like a miracle that anyonecan do any art and bring people
together, that anyone can doany art and bring people
together.
And I think the thing thatreally moved me in making the
documentary was.
After we made it, we starteddoing some theatrical screenings
(27:44):
and I got to see that in reallife.
We brought people together inreal life that maybe hadn't seen
each other in 15 years you know, since the ending of lost or
even longer and you could seethat human connection.
I'm like, oh, in a tiny way, wedid that with this documentary.
We brought human beingstogether and some people met for
(28:05):
the first time.
We had people at our premierein LA from, like, different
countries all around the worldwho are now friends because of
Lost, because now the internetis so interconnected that, even
more so than when Lost was on TV, you can stay connected with
your new friend in Germany oryour new friend in Mexico or
(28:27):
Spain or wherever, and becausewe sort of dug up this show in a
way, people were still talkingabout it online, people were
still into it.
But you know, we lit a littlebit of a fire under the 20th
anniversary and we said, hey,everybody pay more attention
right now, because we're goingto shine a spotlight on it,
(28:49):
because we were shocked that ABCwasn't Like it's the 20th
anniversary of one of yourbiggest shows.
Why are we the ones who have todo this project, but happy to do
it.
But that was the most rewardingthing was just bringing people
together and, you know, for thecast too, like some of them
hadn't thought about it ortalked about it since the show
(29:12):
ended and some of them talkabout it every day, like
Jorgecia doesn't go very longwithout someone asking him about
lost right, but some of thefolks that were only in a few
episodes like it doesn't reallycome up.
So it's pretty, pretty cool inthat way and that's something I
love doing in the pop cultureworld is just getting to talk
(29:34):
with people about something theylove, and that's my job, right,
and the Scott documentary too.
It's like hey, remember thatthing you love from 20 years ago
.
You want to just sit around andtalk about that all day.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
And that's just going to be my job now.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, that's that's a hell of a job, man.
I mean, that's that's thereason why I do this show is
like I just I want to talk topeople who love stuff.
Tell me why you love this thing.
And half this, half the moviesor TV shows that people come on
to talk about, I've like neverseen or sometimes never even
heard of.
So I'm like cool, this gives mean excuse to connect with you
over this thing.
Um, so, yeah, that's really,that's really powerful.
(30:11):
Um, actually, it's so funny.
So, one of my really goodfriends, um uh, so I'm in
Raleigh, north Carolina, and Imet one of my good friends here.
Uh, we worked at the samepost-production studio here in
Raleigh and, um, he was a biglost fan and he is.
He was friends, still isfriends with, uh, jay and Jack
(30:32):
of the Jay and Jack podcast InRaleigh, North Carolina.
Exactly.
And so when I was watchingGetting Lost, there's footage of
Jay and Jack doing some eventsand stuff like that.
There's like some archival.
And I spotted my friend.
I was like I texted him apicture.
I was like I see you in thebackground.
And also I was like I think Imight've been there, but I
wasn't in the movie.
But I like I've been in thatspace and I've been, I've seen
(30:53):
them do that thing.
So I was like kind of looking,um, so it's just kind of a it's.
It's so wild that this just anyshow in general, like the way
it can connect people because ofthe internet, like we're
ragging on the internet, it's acurrent dumpster fire, uh, but
like the, but people have madefriends from all over the world
(31:13):
and it's just wild that a showor a movie, she can just bring
these people together.
Um, and so, yeah, I just I justthink that's really cool, it's
magic, um.
So okay, let's talk about theshow itself.
Sure, I need to know um, isthere a lost character you
identify with most?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I mean.
So that changes for me all thetime.
I've watched the show manytimes.
I'm currently in the middle ofa rewatch.
I started a rewatch duringmaking the movie and I didn't
finish because I got caught upmaking the movie.
So I'm somewhere in season fiveright now and it changes.
And it changes.
When I started the show in 2004, five, whenever the DVD came
(32:01):
out after the season ended, yeah, Um, it was Charlie.
I was, I was a musician, right,I was going to be a bloody rock
God.
So that was that was my guysLike, oh, if I crash landed, all
I care about is getting myguitar out of the brambles by
the.
I don't care about the airplaneparts or whatever.
Give me my guitar.
Oh my God, it's not broken.
I can't believe.
(32:22):
None of the strings were broken.
Come on, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
That was a sturdy ass case, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
And it was one of those Ovation guitars with the
plastic back.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
That the plastic back .
That's why it survived thehumidity and the temperature
changes.
Oh yeah, that's right.
Yeah, um, anyway, so charliewas my guy.
Who am I speaking to charlie?
Uh, charlie, pace, I'm asurvivor flight 815 oceanic
flight 815.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Where are you?
We're on an island.
We're alive.
An island.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
I don't know who's this.
This is penelope.
How did you?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
get this frequency, desmond.
Spoiler alert, for I don't knowwhy you're listening to this,
but charlie dies, um, notpenny's boat, and he's both.
And there is this spiritual,metaphorical and like literal
handoff where they're like ifyou were a charlie fan, you are
now a hurley fan.
Where they're like charlie diedand the only person on the
(33:19):
island who cares is hurley thepeople on the boat aren't who
they say.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
They are what who are they?
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I don't know, but we didn't get caught with duck.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
No, it's all right, we can call him.
We have a walkie, it's okay.
Where is it get?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
it.
What do you mean if peoplearen't who?
Speaker 1 (33:32):
they say Where's Charlie?
Speaker 2 (33:41):
I'm sorry, brother, claire's sad, but Hurley is like
really messed up.
And then Hurley's talking toghost Charlie and all this stuff
.
So then I'm a Hurley guy, likefor the rest of the show, which
is more than half the show,timeline wise, not episode wise,
cause they get shorter seasons.
So I was a Charlie guy and I'ma Hurley guy.
(34:02):
Then on rewatches, I'm just aHurley guy.
I'm just like this guy gets it,he's listening to his disc man
at the beginning and like, Idon't know, he's not hoarding
batteries.
There must've been morebatteries on that plane.
There's a thousand tarps andonly two AA batteries.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
The weirdest shipment of.
It's like the weirdest planewhere they're transporting tarps
.
And then as I get older becauseI'm, you know, in my early 20s
when the show comes out collegeage I'm like I'm going to be a
rock star and then I'm justgoing to be like the fun guy,
right, that's, that's my vibe.
And then the older I get,catching up to today like the
(34:43):
more I realize the only peopleon that whole show that have
anything figured out are Roseand Bernard.
So you've been scavenging foodand living out in a hut by
yourselves.
People try their whole lives toget themselves a nice quiet
place near the ocean wheretheyard guy Shut up with all
(35:18):
your stupid drama who caresabout the smoke monsters and the
whatever we're just going tolike?
Hang out over here.
We're on a tropical island, wegot no responsibilities, our
diseases are cured, people aredropping food from the sky.
We have no wants.
Let's just chill, guys.
(35:39):
So you know, as much as I wantto be like I'm Lapidus and I'm
chill and I can fly a helicopter, I'm like Rosen Bernard all day
, every day.
They're the only people thatknow what's up.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
That's so great.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, what about you yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Uh, yeah, uh, it's tough.
But the past.
I'm also in the middle of arewatch, but this time in the
past two times, like I, I reallylove lock.
I need to know why you believethat that thing wasn't gonna.
I believe that I was beingtested, tested, yeah, tested.
I think that's why you and Idon't see eye to eye sometimes,
(36:17):
jack, because you're a man ofscience.
Yeah, what does that make youMe?
Well, I'm a man of faith and Ididn't think I would ever like
him as much as I do, based onwhen I first watched the show,
like way back, when I'm like,kind of your, I root for the
(36:38):
standard hero, basically likewhoever is presented to me as
the hero on the show.
I'm like, okay, cool Jack, I'mrooting for Jack, like whatever,
um, and just I want him to dowhat he wants to do.
I, yeah, and but it's like.
But as I've, again, age, seenmore, learn more, experience
more.
(36:58):
I don't know if I necessarilylike hardcore and like this is
my character, but the more timesI'm watching it, the more times
I understand lock and like justhis, his such strong desire to
belong and find meaning and anda lot of times that does not
(37:20):
work but that feels like life tome, like half the struggle is
trying to find your meaning andthen sometimes you don't fucking
find out what it is or youthink it's one thing and it's
actually not that thing at all.
And then you become, uh, theman in black and you're like, I
don't know what you are now, butI'm still like loving Terry
O'Quinn's pivot to a differentcharacter.
(38:04):
Why John Locke?
Sure you do.
Why john lock?
Because he was stupid enough tobelieve that he'd been brought
here for a reason, because hepursued that belief until it got
him killed and because you werekind enough to bring his body
back here in a nice wooden box,and that that's why I'm like I
whenever he turns into the manof like.
I'm like man this is.
I love this version of Lockecause he's like he's such a
fucking badass.
I mean, he's a badass anyway,but he's a sad badass.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
And now he's just like he's a sad ass, is what he
is.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
It's a great character.
There's a lot of greatcharacters on that show.
It's really tough and that's, Ithink, something they did so
brilliantly is there is almostno matter who you are.
There's somebody to identifywith, there's somebody to hate,
there's somebody to you know,have a big old crush on, there's
somebody to be jealous of,there's somebody there's, like
(38:53):
so many characters, at least atsome point in the show, because
they do bring in a lot and thenthey leave and they, you know
there's.
It's a lot going on.
Yeah, some of the seasonposters have 30 people, some of
them only have 12.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
It's a little bit crazy so we talked about a four
quadrant show, basically thisrough concept, um, but I mean it
appeals to everyone, but do youthink there's something
specific about it that grabbedpeople's attention, like right
away?
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Um, well, I think a little bit.
It's what we had talked about.
People hadn't seen anythinglike it.
I mean, first of all, thatpilot at the time was the most
expensive pilot ever made.
It looked like a movie.
It was shot on film at a timewhen people that was falling out
of favor, I mean, they bought afreaking airplane and blew
parts of it up on Oahu Like itlooks amazing.
(39:50):
It holds up because it was shoton film and because almost all
the effects are practical.
I mean the digital ones do nothold up, but all the practical
stuff holds up.
The locations are amazing, thecast is amazing, like, like I
said, TV was not like that.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Hey, you come here.
I need you to get this womanaway from these fumes.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Take her over there, stay with her.
If her contractions occur anycloser than three minutes apart,
call out for me.
Oh, you got to be kidding me,I'll be right back, okay, hey,
what's your name?
Jack, and it's hard to imaginenow because we're in the era of,
like prestige TV and every youknow, hbo and Apple TV plus, and
(40:36):
like everything is amazing andeverything looks like a movie.
It did not look like that backthen.
Tv was not great and they hadto fight hard, uh, to shoot it
and air it in widescreen Causethis was like the dawn of people
having widescreen TVs in 2004.
A lot of people still hadsquare TVs so it was letterboxed
(40:56):
and that was like a networkfight to shoot it on film, to
shoot it 16.9, and be like thisis what we're doing.
And then it's in HD and it'sone of the first iTunes shows.
It was the first of so manythings and I think at the age
(41:20):
the early two thousands weresuch a like look at the shiny
new thing era and lost Was thatin so many ways.
I'm not going to say it didn'tmatter, like what the contents
of the show were, but a littlebit.
It had so many of those hooksgoing for it that it almost
(41:45):
didn't matter what the contentsof the show were.
The contents were great, butthe contents could have been
great and if it didn't have allthose hooks, how do you get the
eyeballs in the first place forpeople to know that.
Yeah, and so I mean, like Ithink people say it on the doc,
but it was a lot of theconfluence of all these amazing
things, right place, right timein a lot of ways, because people
(42:07):
didn't know whether or not youcould do a serialized show,
whether you could do like asci-fi mystery show.
You know, when that firstepisode ends, the trees shake
and there's the crazy sound.
It was like there's dinosaursin those bushes.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Yeah, that's what I thought when I first watched it.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Most people did and they're like but you can't do a
network TV show with the guyfrom party of five and there's
dinosaurs.
You know like, the last showwith dinosaurs was the sitcom
dinosaurs, that's right.
And I was a puppet, yeah.
So I think it had a lot goingfor it.
The production value was insane.
(42:47):
It was insanely expensive, thecast was amazing.
And then you look at thecreatives behind it and what
they've gone on to do and it'slike a once in a lifetime
pedigree of like who made thisshow and just a miracle that it
got made at all.
And then you know in hindsightyou're like well, of course it
(43:11):
was a giant hit, but at the timepretty big gamble.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Yeah, it was.
Yeah, I think it was to comeout on a four.
I was, I was a senior in highschool and I'm like at that age
where I like cause my folks andI used to like watch TV every
night together, like growing up,and then, as I got older, like
I was able to get like my own TVin my room and I like started
(43:37):
doing my own thing and watchingTV and chatting on AIM with my
high school friends at the sametime, not paying, really paying
attention, but loss was the show, the only show that, as I got
older, we would still watchtogether.
Um, cause it was like it was,it was our show.
Um, and then, as I went off tocollege, like I tried to like
find people.
(43:58):
I didn't, I didn't walk aroundand be like, do you like lost?
Do you like lost?
I was like, if I can findpeople who like the show, we can
watch together.
And my friend who I mentionedbefore um, she was the only
person I knew in college who hada VCR in her dorm room and so
she was the only one who couldrecord it.
I was like, okay, I kind ofhave to be your friend so I can
watch the shows.
So that was the way.
(44:18):
Yeah, that was the way that webonded over that and just that
communal aspect like you weretalking about.
Okay, there's six seasons, somany things to talk about.
Do you have a favorite moment,episode or scene from the entire
show?
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Yeah, and they change all the time.
But, and there's so manymoments that get me a big one
for me and we we touch on thisin the doc and it's because of
my how much the moment resonateswith me, but like the moment
(44:58):
when the dog swims out after theraft Stay, vincent, go back.
Vincent, vincent, go back, goback, go back, vincent, vincent,
go back, go back.
When vincent is like and thatwasn't a scripted moment and
(45:22):
that just happened, and like, ifthat doesn't get you, like,
come on where's your heart at?
yeah, but that knowing, like weall knew, there's no way they're
getting off this Island thisearly in the show.
Like that's the end of seasonone.
Like there's no way the firstseason ends with like half the
(45:44):
characters, right.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Or like something's going to happen yeah, it's going
to happen here.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
So like it was fraught with a little bit of
tension anyway.
And then the dog and likeyou're just crying, and then the
big music and the helicoptershot and the raft goes off and
just like, yeah, that end ofseason one is pretty, pretty
amazing.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
And then mr friendly shows up hey, it's a good thing
we found you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we survived.
And there's a whole group ofpeople on the other Well, ain't
that something?
Yeah, only the thing is we'regoing to have to take the boy.
What, what'd you say?
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Like that's a hell of a minute of television.
That's a chilling line.
That is a chilling line in thatmoment, and then it's like thud
wait six months oh man that was.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
I mean, the show had an impact on me, but that was
the first show that I remember,at the end of every episode,
being so angry because I wantedto know what happened next and I
had to wait a whole week, right, and there were things too that
like I like I watched it as itwas, almost came out then on my
first rewatch, when it wasavailable on a streaming
platform or whenever.
I mean I've got all six seasonsso I can just watch it whenever,
(47:04):
um.
But when I started with, likethe binge approach, I was like
holy shit, I forgot so manythings.
Like I forgot that this thingthat happens in early in season
one connects to something laterin season three and and all
these connections and I was likethis, it made me love it more
because it's things that Ididn't even realize that were
actually happening, because Iwould forget like oh, that
(47:25):
character that shows up, Ihaven't seen them in four
seasons, but they're actuallyimportant for something that
happens later and I'm like oh,that's actually the same person
and there'd be like like on theDVDs too.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
It was such a like DVDs were such a thing.
At that time I was so into DVDspecial features.
Like that was my film schoolfor all intents and purposes,
was like making of documentariesand stuff and watching and lost
had some great ones, like thatSeason one DVD.
The making of the pilot is isfilm school.
(48:01):
If you're like how do you workin the worst conditions but have
the most money and no time andit's still difficult?
But yeah, I mean it's crazy.
Um, but like the dvd extras,like later they would have like
these character maps that wouldshow you how everyone was
connected.
Oh right, that's right, thisperson's that, and then the
backstory and then this and thenfor some, these character maps
that would show you how everyonewas connected.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Oh right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
This person's that, and then the backstory, and then
this, and then, for some reason, Nikki and Paolo are there and
you're like, oh, okay, it's allfine Great.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
I was curious if you would naturally bring up expose.
I was like 100%.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
That is a highly underrated episode.
Razzle, dazzle, ah, autumnCrystal.
Bad news Corvette was workingfor the Cobra, but fear not, he
(48:55):
will pay and cut and I willthrow it in my top ten every
time.
If you want to just watch oneepisode of Lost for fun, it's
one of the best.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
That's a good one.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Because it's standalone and it's very Back to
the Future 2, which is myfavorite Back to the Future,
wherein you get to revisit allthe fun moments from the show
from a different perspective.
And then as a filmmaker you'relike, oh, they got to reshoot
all of that.
But they kind of reuse some ofthe footage and like, snuck
these other actors in.
(49:31):
Yeah like snuck these otheractors in.
Yeah, but like I talked to, youknow some of these actors the
guy who played Arst and these,uh, and Maggie Grace who played
Shannon, and it's like they flewthem back to shoot like half a
scene from the pilot over, justso they could put Nikki and
Paolo in it, and you're likethat's, that's neat, just as a
thing, and Billy Dee Williams isin it.
(49:52):
It's a great episode.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Yes, a hundred percent.
I remember when that one cameout I was like what the hell is
this episode?
I was trying.
I was like I don't know thesepeople, what's happening?
Great.
And then when I rewatched it, Iwas like you know what this is?
Television brilliance.
I love this, so right.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
It was very annoying when it came out because it
didn't move anything forward andit was such a show.
And the same with like acrossthe sea, you know there's an
abaterno.
There's these episodes whereit's like I get it, we want this
information.
And it's really cool, likethese self-contained bottle
episodes where you're just likegreat.
(50:27):
But especially when theystarted putting them in the last
season because they keptpromoting like there's only six
episodes left before the finaleand you're like yeah, oh, my god
, one of them is this.
Like we don't know, we don't getany new information about
what's going on with jack andhurley and I love that paterno,
though I love yeah.
No, it's a great episode.
I just I questioned theplacement, like in season four.
(50:50):
It's an amazing episode.
But you start putting it solate in the series and you're
just like but what about what'sgoing on with Kate?
Is Sawyer going to be okay?
Speaker 1 (51:01):
The show's almost over.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
I want to hang out with the people that I know
Right, Like we've invested allthis time or like some of those
things.
Just give us an extra episode.
You know know, like on thatweek air an episode with our
characters and give us abaterno.
That's a little too.
I think that's what peoplewanted, but uh no.
And to your point about likenot being able to to binge and
(51:27):
having to wait a week, that'salso something that, for the
most part, has been gone for along time.
It's coming back with some,like HBO shows and Apple shows,
and even Netflix tries it hereand there, but it was such a
thing and such a part of theexperience that people watch
lost.
Now don't get right.
It's only available to binge.
(51:47):
You can't force someone towatch it one a week, although
Michael Giacchino, the composer,when he shows it to his kids
and whenever one of his kidsturns 15, they get to watch lost
and he makes them watch one aweek as like I like that's good
parenting.
It feels like this is how youexperience this thing, yeah,
which I think is very, veryappropriate.
(52:09):
But what I loved about and thisis sort of how that community
aspect formed is like it wouldair and then it would end, and I
forget, like it would air ateight and be done at nine or
nine and 10, depending on whattime zone you're in, or whatever
and I would immediately go onthe internet, which was maybe
(52:30):
even dial up for some of thisbut and you'd wait, there would
be like podcasts that would comeout an hour later.
There would be message boardsthat were lighting up the moment
after, and I would be one ofthose people that spent the six
days between episodes.
There'd be a new podcast everyday.
There'd be these blogs, there'dbe Doc Jensen and Joe
(52:52):
Pinionated and people who wouldwrite pages and pages and pages
dissecting the episodes.
So I knew in real time what youfound out later on.
The rewatch is like, oh, thisbackground character was
actually from this other episode, yeah, and like in my head I'm
like, okay, doing the math, andblah, blah, blah, because you
couldn't really rewatch theepisode unless you had a VCR or
something.
But there were also websitesthat would do like frame grabs
(53:18):
of every fifth frame of theepisode and they're still online
If you go dig.
So there's like a site up thathas every episode of lost and
it'll be like 300 frame grabsfrom the episode and they're
kind of random so they're notgreat frames.
It's hilarious and that wascoming out like the day the
episode aired no-transcriptbecause I'm not a big reader,
(54:05):
but they would explain to me whyit mattered yeah, yeah and you
love this community of people.
You meet these people and you'relike, wow, I think we're all
just best friends because ofthis show and it was always kind
of the same kind of people likedifferent worldviews, different
backgrounds and certainly fromall over the world, but like
(54:27):
really like focused people,people who are really into pop
culture and like trying to solvemysteries.
We were all trying to solve themystery of the island in real
time.
It was like this big detectiveagency of millions of lost fans
on the internet and you feltlike you were part of something,
(54:48):
like you weren't just watchinga show, you were experiencing
the show and that's what I thinkmade it so special.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
Yeah, I think, especially now, like you
mentioned earlier, like certainnetworks are still.
I mean, hbo has always been aweekly drop, like that's.
That's something they've alwaysdone because they've been
premium cable, um but withstreamers specifically trying
weekly releases, I think that'sreally great.
I think, I mean it still is ondemand after it comes out, so
(55:19):
it's like you can still watch itat any point you want to after
it's out there.
But yeah, when you're havingthis, yeah, when you were with
so much available now at anytime, it does feel like less of
an experience to your point, now, at any time.
It does feel like less of anexperience to your point.
It feels like I've talked aboutmy disdain for almost the word
consume when it comes to mediaCause that just it implies that
(55:41):
like it's a weird digestivesystem and you just have to like
I'm eating this thing up, likeI'm consuming this.
It's like a part of me or whatI'm just going on to the next
thing.
Like it feels very I don't know, it feels materialistic, if
that's like kind of the rightway to put it, but I feel that
like there's a almost a lack ofexperience now like things, what
makes us a show or a movie, atheater going experience so
(56:05):
special is being there is likeis the other people, and whether
it's the people online that youchat with immediately after a
show or if you're happen to bein a packed movie theater
everybody experiencing the samefilm all at once.
I think there's somethingmissing from that, when
everything is available all thetime.
Speaker 2 (56:25):
Yeah, and the theater experience is dwindling very
quickly right in front of us andit's very sad.
I'm a huge uh advocate forgoing to the theater.
Go to your local theater, evensupport the chains.
As much as you know, they'remultinational evil conglomerates
(56:47):
.
They they will cease to existif we stop going um and try to
not just do it for the bigMarvel movies and the Disney
properties, because we're losingmovies in theaters and once we
lose, they're not going to comeback.
We lost the COVID hit and theystarted putting movies out on
(57:07):
streaming for $20, the premium,the PVOD window, which
immediately shortened thetheatrical window for movies.
Yeah, uh, from, we used to getlike three months and then it
was two months and now it's likethree weeks for a lot of movies
.
Yeah, if that, or it'll be dayand date where, like, you can
(57:28):
rent it at home or you can go tocinemark.
And no one goes to cinemark,right, because they're like I
have a 75 inch tv with surroundsound in my living room and for
my family of four it's half theprice to stay home, so people
stay home, and that was like adirect COVID hit and Disney
experimented with one movie andthey're like we made a billion
dollars streaming it at home.
(57:49):
So theaters are done, yeah, andit's just going to take one
more instance like that andtheaters are over and then
they're never coming back.
So like, and we lose what youjust said, that communal
experience that we all grew upon.
That was, to me, the best partof movie, why I love movies so
(58:15):
much.
When I made the, theblockbuster doc, the thing that
kept coming up time and time andtime again was not, you know,
oh, I loved going to blockbustervideo because I rented
ghostbusters or I rentedterminator 2 or I rented
jurassic park.
It was always because I wasthere with my mom, because I was
there with my grandma, becauseI went with my brother and we
(58:35):
would fight over which movie topick.
People didn't remember whatmovie they rented.
They remembered who they werewith.
Speaker 1 (58:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:42):
You know, and it's like I remember some movies I
saw in the theater, but I mostlyremember who I went with.
You know your first date, your,your best friend, your family,
and when that goes away it'sgone and we're all just sitting
on the couch.
And now it's more and more byourselves, distracted by a phone
, and then movies are done and Idon't know if I want to live in
(59:07):
that world.
Speaker 1 (59:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (59:12):
Sorry, that's my sad rant.
Speaker 1 (59:17):
No, no, I'll pick it back up here in a second.
One of those like it got realdark, got real dark.
Favorite moments in blockbusterwere going, actually in college
(59:39):
with my friends and looking atthe absurd movies that were
there that we had never heard of.
Like that was the first time Isaw a movie called ginger dead
man starring Gary Busey Um, andI think snakes on a plane had
come out.
And there was another moviecalled snakes on a train that
was sitting there in blockbusterand it was like this is
(01:00:00):
hilarious and also like theartwork.
Like I've had so manyconversations on this podcast
where someone has said I want towatch this movie and I'm like
I've never seen that but I knowwhat the artwork looks like
because I saw it in blockbusterand was just captured by the
images on there.
And you're right, like, evenjust like, and just go to a
rental store is like I don'tremember what I'm picking out,
(01:00:22):
but I'm remembering who I withand it's fun to think about
these experience.
It's the experience, again,around art.
Like even if you're not you'renot blockbuster watching a thing
, you're trying to decide whatyou're going to watch, but
you're still there with someonecontemplating or fighting.
Like I want to watch this, Iwant to watch Ninja Turtles, I
want to watch something else.
Like, yeah, having that littleconversation is always fun to
(01:00:43):
remember.
Okay, last question I havebefore you go.
We're going to keep it positivehere.
I love it.
You were trapped on a desertisland, sure, on a desert Island
, and you have a working TV anda working Blu-ray player.
Uh, what are your five TV boxsets that you want to have with
you?
And they, none of them can belost.
Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Oh man, tv boxes, none of them can be lost.
I'm trapped on a desert Islandso I'm going to want things that
had a pretty long run.
I think, okay, um, oh man, butall the best shows had short
runs.
I mean, you can watch it again.
Yeah, it's tough, the stuff I.
I tend to go back.
(01:01:20):
I'm gonna, I think, throw somecurveballs.
I'm gonna go with the west wing.
Oh that is solid choice shows.
I've watched that as many timesas I've watched lost um and if I
thought there was a market forit I'd be making a West wing
documentary.
But I mean, there might be,there is, but the politics
(01:01:41):
behind it, I think, would crushmy soul.
The aspirational Bartlettpresidency is just just make
everybody super sad.
Yeah, I can't spend too manyyears thinking about that.
I have a Bartlett for presidentt-shirt that I wear.
Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Oh, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
And if I could stomach writing him in and not
doing my civic duty.
Yeah, west Wing is up there andthat's a long one.
That's a good.
You know, kill some time.
I'd put Breaking Bad in there,that's a good.
That's like shift in tone fromWest Wing pretty hard and I
think, it's, it's great, it'sjust like quality storytelling.
(01:02:19):
I think that's one of the oneswhere they really knew the whole
roadmap the whole way and it'slike well executed all the way.
I would exclude the whateverthat follow-up movie thing was I
don't know.
Oh yeah, I wouldn't be in thebox at any point.
El Camino was I don't?
Oh yeah, I wouldn't be in thebox at anyway.
Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
El Camino Sure that was what it's called.
Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
I don't know I'm going to go Freaks and Geeks.
It's not enough.
It's like a little snack inbetween.
It's just one season, yeah,yeah, it's just the one season.
I go with one that has a lot,just for making my pop culture
brain have a fun time.
Beverly Hills 90210.
Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Okay, I haven't seen a single episode of that show.
Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
I believe there are 10 seasons of that show, oh wow,
each one having 22 to 26episodes.
Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Yeah, network TV, like they're going to have all
the episodes.
I watched it all the waythrough a couple of times.
Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
I was on tour with a band once and that's all I had
in the back of the van.
I just watched.
Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Beverly Hills 90210.
Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Every day.
It's great, it's bad.
It's what's great about bad TVfrom that era All right, good,
trash it ran from, like, 1990 tothe year 2000,.
Which is a perfect time frame.
Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
I do remember it as a 90s show, so that makes total
sense All of the 90s in one show, one more.
Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
I got some drama.
I got some comedy with thefreaks and geeks.
My So-Called Life is the lastone.
Another one-seasoner way aheadof its time.
It's just exactly my era.
I'm exactly that age.
Of this is what the 90s was.
(01:04:03):
To me, that's like the realversion of what Beverly Hills
90210 was.
The realistic Jordan Catalanoin his little band.
Oh yeah, in five minutes I'mgoing to wish I could take back
all five of those answers andgive you five new TV shows,
except the West wing, that one'sperfect.
Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Taylor, thanks so much, man.
This was such a blast to talkwith you.
Thank you for loving loss somuch.
You made a documentary about it.
Watching the documentary, maybeit may be nostalgic and maybe
rewatch the show again, andmaybe re-watch the show again.
So thanks for that.
Thanks for having me.
So I just finished my mostrecent re-watch of Lost and
every time I go back to theisland I leave with something
(01:04:44):
new to appreciate.
This time I keep thinking abouthow there are so many
characters trying to do whatthey believe is the right thing,
and a lot of times it doesn'twork out until it does, and I
think some of us don't realizethat that also applies to the
real world.
We're scared that trying to dothe right thing won't work, so
(01:05:09):
we just don't try at all.
And I feel like, especially,especially now, we need to
remind each other of this.
We need to have the back of ourcommunity in speaking up for
what is right, because, as JackShepard once said, if we can't
live together we're gonna diealone.
(01:05:31):
I absolutely love Lost and Ican't thank Taylor enough for
coming on the show to talk aboutit with me.
You should rent or buy GettingLost right now on Amazon or
Apple TV or any of the othervideo on demand sites.
I also have to extend a polarbear size.
Thank you to you for joining ustoday in our discussion.
(01:05:53):
If you want to check out moreof Taylor's filmography, I've
got links to some of that stuffin the show notes.
So what did we miss?
Lost is about a whole bunch ofstuff, so I'm sure there's
something that we didn't cover.
Did we need to give Sawyer somemore love?
Should we have talked about theothers more?
Is Benjamin Linus the greatestTV villain of all time?
I want to hear your thoughts,so hop on over to the Nuthouse
(01:06:17):
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You can find links to that inthe show description as well.
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Thank you all again.
So much for joining me todayand until next time, namaste.
Guys where are we?
So I watched an episode and Iwent back to my friends and I
was like this show is terrible,I don't understand.
And then that summer, throughthe magic of DVD, I watched the
first season all in a rowBecause everybody was like
you're wrong, you're stupid, youhave to check it out.
(00:20):
And I burned through that firstseason in five days and I was
hooked.
So then for six years I'm inthe people I met through that
show.
I'm still friends with many ofthem today.
I loved that TV show.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Hey folks, and welcome back to the Film Nuts
podcast, a show about why welove what we watch.
I'm your host, taylor D Adams,storyteller, filmmaker and
unofficial member of the DharmaInitiative.
I am so glad you decided tojoin us today.
So let's for a moment take abreath and think about how we
(00:57):
came to know our closest friendsin life.
Did we meet them at school?
Did we grow up across thestreet from them?
Did we survive oceanic flight815?
Lost was, and still is, alandmark television series about
a group of people learning tolive together on a mysterious
(01:18):
island.
Of course, that simple sentencecomes nowhere close to
describing just how complex,intricate and bonkers this
series is.
As my favorite show of all time, it has had a lasting impact on
me, but I am not alone.
Others have been so inspired tostart podcasts dedicated to
(01:39):
Lost, some founded online forumsand message boards, and one man
even made a documentary aboutLost's everlasting legacy.
Taylor Morden is a filmmaker andthe director of Getting Lost, a
film that showcases how the hitABC show changed the television
landscape, united a global fanbase and deeply affected the
(02:03):
cast and crew.
Taylor did not immediately fallin love with Lost, but once he
gave it a second chance.
It truly altered his lifetrajectory.
Taylor and I chat about makingfriends with fellow Lost fans,
the idea of film and televisionbeing an experience, and which
Lost characters just got itright all along.
(02:25):
So crack open a Dharma brandbeer and check out Taylor Morden
talking about Lost on the FilmNods podcast In your background.
Do you consciously have yourmedia arranged by color code?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yes, which makes it very difficult to find movies,
but I like the vibes, you knowlooks great though, yeah my
partner's the same way.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
We have whatever books we have in the house, like
she arranges them by the colorand I'm like but how do I find
what I'm looking?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
for I've gotten used to it, like I know the colors of
most tapes uh, they're all VHSso yeah, yeah, that's great.
But then it becomes verydifficult when I get new tapes
because I'm like fuck, it'sanother orange one, I don't have
room in the orange section, Igotta get rid of orange yeah, so
is that?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
is it all?
Vhs is behind you.
Yeah, wow that's so.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, it's.
It's like floor to ceiling.
Wow, it's like a few hundredtapes and there's more.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Just that didn't fit the color coding you know.
So like are you just collectingVHSs?
Is that what you're doing?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I mean, I collect everything.
There's like walls of NinjaTurtles oh wow, I build robots
in my spare time.
I'm a big physical media guy.
There's like walls of NinjaTurtles oh wow, I build robots
in my spare time.
I'm a big physical media guy.
There's records upstairs.
You know Peter Panning it.
I don't want to grow up.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I understand that I don't buy a lot of physical
things, but the one thing I dowill be movies, DVDs, box sets.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I need to have that I still, you know I'm I'm 4k
criterion and also vhs laserdisc, beta laser disc whoa, yeah
, I've got a killer laser disccollection and one working laser
disc player, which is thehardest thing to come by.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah I was like I can't think of the last time I
actually saw a laser disc player.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
That's really cool most of them don't work.
They wear out really fastbecause the motors and the
lasers, like they, weren't verywell made and there weren't that
many of them, so they'regetting hard to come by.
But I hoard working techs.
I have like seven working VCRsthat are good, because then when
they break no one fixes them.
Yeah, so you, just when I finda good one with a remote I I
(04:50):
snake them up and put them in acloset.
That's great.
Is this the?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
podcast.
Is this what we're doing?
Yeah, Might as well.
Let's just talk about yourcollection of shit.
This is great.
Uh, love it.
I was looking at, uh, some ofthe work you've done, uh,
including getting lost, which Irecently watched and I'm so
happy you agreed to talk aboutit.
Um, and I also also startedwatching your Scott documentary,
cause I'm a huge Scott fan and,um, I I gotta know, like it
(05:12):
seems to be, there's like athread with some of your, your
nonfiction work, yourdocumentary center around pop
culture.
Like why is that?
Uh?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
because I am not very well read.
Uh, I'm not a religious person,so I feel like if I didn't have
pop culture, I wouldn't haveany culture at all.
So, the way I like to look atit, I grew up, um, you know,
single mom who worked a lot.
I spent a lot of time in frontof the TV.
(05:44):
Comic books just video gamesand movies were my world.
I didn't always have a lot offriends, but I could always turn
to TV and VHS tapes and comicbooks and things like that.
As you know, my, my mythos, sortof my, my worldview right, Came
(06:13):
from these things.
So I identify very heavily assomeone who was a child of the
eighties and nineties which wasso drenched in pop culture.
Like it was the last time inthe pre-internet era.
I think it was the last timewhen as a society, at least in
America, we all kind of agreedon what the things were.
(06:34):
You know, there was a period oftime when, like you, couldn't
go anywhere without Batman beingthe thing, right, 1989, batman
a couple months, and then acouple years later it's like
Terminator 2 is the thing,titanic is the thing, jurassic
(06:56):
Park is the thing, theBackstreet Boys are the thing,
whatever, the Teenage MutantNinja Turtles are the thing, and
we all agreed.
And then the 2000s come and theinternet and everything's
segmented and the major recordlabels crumble and the movie
studios lose a grip oneverything and everything's
indie and everything's a podcastand everything's you know, uh,
(07:19):
custom.
Everybody gets their own mediathrough their own algorithm feed
of whatever it is youspecifically want.
So no one agrees on what thething is.
So now you go meet up with abunch of friends and everybody's
like listing shows you have towatch that you've never heard of
on some streaming platform.
That you've never heard of.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Right.
So I just I'm a nostalgia kidand I love the time when we all
agreed what the thing was.
Right, my little pony, itwasn't my thing, but I knew it
was the thing.
So even if I wasn't into thething, I was culturally aware of
what the thing was.
So I think that's where myfascination with pop culture
(08:01):
comes from.
Is I just I liked when we couldall just agree on on the thing
and maybe other people get thatfrom going to church or you know
, an Elks club get together orwhatever sports.
Other people love sports.
Yeah Right, I don't do sports,I don't know what that is.
And other people have alwayshad this thing where it's like,
(08:23):
oh, it's Sunday, we got to watchthe sports thing and I'm
following my team and I'm like,great, you have that.
And they still agree what thething is.
Yeah, 30, 40 years laterthey're like it's still the
Minnesota Viking.
I don't know what teams are.
That's a team.
Good job, great LA Lakers,that's like there we go, it's
(08:46):
two for two.
Because it's in LA.
I've heard of it, but you knowwhat I mean.
Like, other people have sports,other people have religion, I
have television movies and comicbooks and video games
(09:23):
no-transcript.
That's where the idea for thelost documentary came from.
Is that's one of the last showsI can remember.
That was that thing that we allagreed at least many people,
millions, 20 million peopleagreed was the thing.
That finale of lost wasinescapable.
(09:46):
And that's one of the lasttimes I can remember something
being the thing.
Game of thrones came close.
You know, not quite the numbers, but at least pop culture wise.
We're like that's the thing, weall know it.
But lost was for sure the thingfor a minute.
And to think that that even thefinale was 15 years ago, but
(10:09):
the beginning of it was 20 yearsago.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Like 21 years ago now , like that show came out and
children that were born thatyear can drink now Come on.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
I know, right, that's wild.
So so, yeah, like I mean I dowant to talk about getting lost,
I do.
I mean that's why you're onhere, yeah, so I mean you talk
about just it's, it's itsexistence, its importance you
refer to as kind of the lasttime you thought of this kind of
like more massive culturalconnection, either nationwide or
(10:42):
worldwide.
Um, but why, why did you wantto make a movie about lost?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Um, I loved that TV show I.
It was.
For me, uh, it was one of thosethings.
I had kind of outgrowntelevision a bit early, two
thousands, I think TV wasn't.
You know, I was in college waslike tv ain't what it used to be
.
You know, I wasn't sitting downwatching shows, uh, a little
(11:12):
bit on dvd, but it was like boxsets of saved by the bell and
stuff I grew up on, because dvdwas the thing in that moment.
Uh, from blockbuster video andit people were talking about
this new show, this like weirdmystery, cool show.
Like I wasn't on board from thebeginning but that first um
(11:34):
season came out and everybodywas talking about it, at least
in my circle, because we're allkind of sci-fi nerds and you
know that's who was into thisshow, which was weird for a
network tv show I had heardabout a little bit.
You know, like buffy and othernerd shows, I'm like, oh cool,
there's nerd shows, that's neat.
But this was an abc prime timeshow.
(11:56):
I'm like there's no way it'scool, right, I mean because
early 2000s they weren't cool.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Like it was just legal drama, medical drama.
That was like all they had.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I'm like okay, so what kind, what version of law
and order is this?
Oh, they're on an Island.
Okay, so it's Gilligan's Islandand order.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Right, Okay great Um.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
And then I watched one episode, um, and it was
terrible cause you can't watchone episode, which wasn't a
thing at that time.
There wasn't serialized mysterylong form drama on network
television so I assumed, likeeveryone else, that you could
just watch any episode like aLaw and Order or a medical, like
(12:39):
an ER or whatever.
I thought you could pop in andget the gist like Gilligan's
Island, which I had watchedindividual episodes of my whole
life and been like great HarlemGlobetrotters, I get it, they're
not going to get off the island.
So I watched an episode and Iwent back to my friends and I
was like this show is terrible,I don't understand.
(13:00):
It was the episode middle ofseason one.
It was a Michael and Waltepisode.
It's called Special.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I'm a wreck right now , okay.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
What I'm supposed to give a damn about you.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Hey, I just lost the woman I love.
All right, I can't be hisfather.
Shut up, bitch.
What the hell are you talkingabout?
You're the only father he knows.
It's more than that.
Then what?
There's just something abouthim.
What the hell are you talkingabout, man?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Sometimes, when he's around, things happen.
He's different somehow.
I'm like, okay, this show'sabout a kid who has psychic
powers, who lives in New Yorkand doesn't, and then his dad
and then his mom dies, and then,okay, there's a polar bear, and
(13:50):
then there's these othercharacters that I don't know
anything about running around onan island trying to ration
medicine or food or I don't know.
But it's mostly about thispsychic kid, but he's not
psychic.
The show makes no sense.
I hate it, right, because theydon't explain anything.
Yes, and that had neverhappened on TV.
(14:10):
And then I sort of wrote it off.
And then that summer, throughthe magic of DVD, I watched the
first season all in a rowbecause it was like you're wrong
, you're stupid, you have tocheck it out.
And then the DVDs came out ondiscs.
First disc had the pilot,tabula Rasa and Walkabout on it,
(14:31):
mm-hmm.
And the pilot is amazing.
It's one of the best pilotsever made.
Yeah, that first episode isgood.
It's a good episode oftelevision, but it's nothing to
write home about.
And then Walkabout, I think, isone of the greatest episodes of
television ever written, everproduced, and changed my view of
(14:53):
television forever.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
You want a plane back to Sydney?
On our dime, it's the best Ican no, I don't want to go back
to Sydney.
Look, I've been preparing forthis for years.
Just put me on the bus rightnow.
I can do this.
No, you can't.
Hey.
Hey, don't you walk away fromme.
You don't know who you'redealing with.
Don't ever tell me what I can'tdo, ever.
This is destiny.
This is destiny.
(15:17):
This is my destiny.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I'm supposed to do this, dammit.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Don't tell me what I can't do.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Don't tell me what I can't do.
Don't tell me what I can't do.
And then I had to drive an hourone way back to Blockbuster
Video to get the second disc ofLost, and immediately.
So I went, returned the firstdisc, got the second disc that
same day.
It's like they're closing, youknow, at midnight.
Blockbuster used to stay upuntil midnight.
(15:45):
Gotta get there before theyclose and get the second disc.
And I burned through that firstseason in I don't know five
days or something, and I washooked.
So then for six years I'm inand I'm one of those people
who's obsessed with the messageboards and the podcast.
I'd never heard of a podcast,and so for like a year.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I thought all podcasts were about Lost.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I was like podcast is just a word for people talking
about Lost and I have a littlebit of an obsessive personality.
I get really into things andLost was that thing for like
almost six years.
The people I met through thatshow I'm still friends with many
(16:27):
of them today um, I I got to goto hawaii and visit the set
during their final seasonbecause oh nice, my wife is
amazing and for my birthday,took me on a trip.
Oh man, that's so cool and I wasthere, like they did a big
explosion day and I was standingright there and I was just like
I was not yet even thinkingabout becoming a filmmaker, but
that was my first time on a realset and I was like I think I
(16:50):
might want to do this with mylife.
So you know, cut to 10 yearslater, I start thinking about
making films and it was alwaysin the back of my mind of like
one of these days I'm going totell the story of what it was
like to be a fan of this thingfor this time, because it was
such a unique thing.
I've been a fan of a ton ofthings, been a star wars fan my
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whole life.
I've been into a bunch of othervery specific pop culture
things.
For you know, a year, fiveyears, 40 years, whatever it
nothing was quite the same asthe experience of being a lost
fan.
When Sort of the internet wasfiguring out how to interact
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with television, podcasts werebeing invented, message boards
were like on their way out,social media was on its way up.
We were connecting in a way youknow Twitter was invented.
During that show, you could aska question of the internet and,
like the writers of the show,would read it, contemplate it
(17:54):
and maybe change the show.
Yeah, because before theyrealized don't do that.
You know, like immediatelyafter Breaking Bad comes out and
they're like do not engage withthe fans Because they learned
from Lost right.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
They don't know what they want or they're doing.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Right, do not read the comments, right?
Yeah, but it was too early forthem to know that.
So it was this unique point intime that never happened before,
because we didn't have theinternet, we didn't have these
online fan communities, and itwill never happen again, because
the internet has become thedumpster fire we all live in now
.
So that's why I'm sorry if thatwas way too many words for your
(18:35):
no.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Please keep going that's why I'm sorry if that was
way too many words for your.
No, please keep going.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
That's why I wanted to make this documentary is
because I lived.
It is a very personal thing forme.
I was a huge fan of the showand also, when you're a huge fan
of something and you're adocumentary filmmaker, in the
back of your head you're likewhat can I do to like maybe get
to hang out with JJ Abrams, likein what world.
Yeah, like, maybe if I spendthree years of my life
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documenting his first big hitshow.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I mean, I feel like that's a good enough reason to
do anything.
I feel like yeah, if and it wassomeone who, like, like, similar
to you, like I really wasinvested in TV from like a
really young age and I've haddifferent shows just inspire me
to want to like be in that world, like be in that filmmaking
(19:26):
world.
I mean loss is definitely oneof them.
And then, um, actually the this, uh, this comedy on USA called
psych really made me want tolike make TV too, Cause it I
watched like all the behind thescenes stuff and everybody just
seems like you're having themost fun in the world and I was
like I would like to have funfor a living.
That seems like a really niceway to spend my life.
Um, so I'm I definitely reallyappreciate that angle and can
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totally understand as well.
Um, so, like when you were,when you watched that first,
when you watched the firstepisode you ever saw, were you
by your, by yourself, Did likefriends sit you down and make
you watch it.
Like what was that?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
experience.
No, I was in a hotel room, Iwas traveling somewhere and I
wish I could remember what I wasdoing or where, cause this
question has come up a lot inthe last couple of years.
But I really can't, because Ididn't have cable and I lived in
rural Oregon.
I still kind of live in not ahuge city, but I live in Oregon
(20:26):
and we didn't have broadcast TV,so it's not like I could even
tune in if I wanted to.
I didn't have cable.
So I was in a hotel and it wasone of those like the guide
thing came up on the hotelscreen and it said you know, hey
, in 10 minutes lost is on.
I'm like, oh, that's that showeverybody's talking about.
So that was the only way I wasgoing to see a random episode.
(20:48):
I was by myself.
It had my undivided attention.
You know when you're in a hotel, and this is 10 years before
smartphones.
It's not like I'm scrollingthrough Instagram, which won't
be invented for another 12 years.
I'm just watching this TV showand I was really trying because,
like you, tv was so important.
(21:09):
I was like I'm going to givethis the old college try.
I was like I'm going to givethis the old college try.
I believe people when they tellme something is good because
I'm just a fan of things andthis was smart people, the
people that I trusted that werelike you know, these are the
good diehard movies and theseare the bad diehard movies and
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they're right.
I'm like, ok, and they'resaying Lost is good, great, but
they didn't say you have towatch the pilot.
They left out.
The key thing is like start fromthe beginning, you know, yeah,
which, in hindsight, was thewhole ballgame.
Like you have to, yeah, butagain, that hadn't been a thing
before.
Lost.
(21:50):
Like most network shows almostall network shows you could
start wherever.
Like you can watch any episodeof Cheers and get it, yeah, and
you don't need to understandthat Sam Malone used to be a
baseball player.
And then you know, I don't evenknow injured Sports.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I don't have any idea .
Speaker 2 (22:12):
But now he runs a bar , right.
Yeah, that's the whole setup.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
So Lost is a bit more complicated, yeah, uh, yeah,
it's so interesting that, like Ikind of always know what you're
talking about, but wording itfeels like it feels
revolutionary, just to word it,because in a way it's like, yeah
, watch the show, and you watchwhatever version of the show you
can get your hands on, but yeah, at the time you're like, no,
actually you need to likesomehow go back in time or wait
until the season's over and buythe box set and then watch it.
Yeah, because it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I mean, it's hard for young people to understand.
Uh, I don't know, you seemyounger than I am, but 38, yeah,
so you're a little younger thanI am, but you understand.
But I've talked to people now,you know, in their 20s, who
cannot comprehend a time whenyou couldn't just watch whatever
you want.
(23:07):
Yeah, right, lost aired.
At a time when, if you wantedto watch an episode and you
weren't sitting on the couch,you know, dvrs were brand new.
Most people did not have one.
Yeah, I've talked to peoplemaking this documentary.
Who programmed a VCR to tapethis show.
Yeah, that was one of thosepeople which most people didn't
(23:29):
know how to do, like nobody'sparents knew how to program the
VCR.
You had to be like a teenager,a smart teenager, like not a
sports teenager, no offense towhoever but like a nerd teenager
.
To program a VCR it was likeprogramming a computer.
At that time You're like I'mdoing computer, I've hacked the
VCR to get it to tape.
(23:50):
Lost, yeah, lost, yeah.
And then you could watch itagain.
And people were doing thatbecause there were hidden
secrets in the episodes which,again, was not a thing before.
This show, really, you know,maybe like some star trek
episodes, people were dissectinglike this in like the next
generation, which cool, but thatwas a different thing.
(24:15):
That was specifically a sci-fishow.
Lost also had this thing to itwhich was genius and
revolutionary, where it alsoappealed to I'm going to say not
nerds, to normal people,because in addition to being a
science fiction serializedmystery, in addition to being a
(24:42):
science fiction serializedmystery, brain bending, time
travel, weird, you know,semi-spiritual monster, crazy
show yeah, it's also just reallyhot people running around on a
beach yeah and relationshipdramas right.
So like you can watch it, yourmom can watch it, your cousin
can watch it, like millions ofpeople watched it, and we all
got different things out of it,which was, again, something very
(25:06):
unique, hadn't really happenedbefore, hadn't happened later.
Like I watched star trek and mynerd friends watched star trek,
but none of the cool kids werewatching star trek.
Lost came along and of the coolkids were watching Star Trek,
lost came along and, like thecool kids watched it and did not
care about the time travel andthe nerds watched it and did not
care about the relationships.
Yeah, and everybody had a goodtime.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yeah, yeah, it was one of those.
I guess I think they call themfour quadrant shows or something
like that.
Yeah, something for everybody.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Like, as long as Sawyer takes his shirt off,
something for everybody.
Yeah, like, as long as Sawyertakes his shirt off, you can put
.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
You can put as much like fancy, you know
astrophysics, whatever in DanielFaraday's notebook as you want
uh, yeah, I had a had a reallygood friend or I still have a
really good friend but I met herin college and, um, yeah, she
was a big Sawyer fan.
I was like something's wrongwith you.
He's not a good.
There's some toxicity going onthere.
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
He's a very charming man, yep.
That's why he's a con man.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Uh.
So for you, what was the mostrewarding part um rewarding
experience?
Uh making getting lost making,getting lost.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Um, I mean, there was something really special in
connecting or reconnecting withthis fan community all these
years later and hearing thestories of how the show impacted
real people's lives.
In a way, some of the stories Ialready knew.
Some of the stories I alreadyknew, some of the people I
already knew, but some I didn't.
(26:38):
And there's stuff that's in themovie, stuff that's not even in
the movie, that's just, youknow, anecdotally.
We've talked to so many peoplethat you know, met their spouse
because of this show or havelifelong friends because of this
show, or still, you know, likereal human connection because of
(27:02):
a TV show and in ourdocumentary I think it's Damon
who says it at the end it's like, you know, a TV show is just a
TV show, but like we're allstriving for that human
connection and the fact that forsome people this show brought
them together and those peopleare still together it's like any
(27:24):
form of pop culture or mediathat can do that for anybody is
amazing.
It's like a miracle that anyonecan do any art and bring people
together, that anyone can doany art and bring people
together.
And I think the thing thatreally moved me in making the
documentary was.
After we made it, we starteddoing some theatrical screenings
(27:44):
and I got to see that in reallife.
We brought people together inreal life that maybe hadn't seen
each other in 15 years you know, since the ending of lost or
even longer and you could seethat human connection.
I'm like, oh, in a tiny way, wedid that with this documentary.
We brought human beingstogether and some people met for
(28:05):
the first time.
We had people at our premierein LA from, like, different
countries all around the worldwho are now friends because of
Lost, because now the internetis so interconnected that, even
more so than when Lost was on TV, you can stay connected with
your new friend in Germany oryour new friend in Mexico or
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Spain or wherever, and becausewe sort of dug up this show in a
way, people were still talkingabout it online, people were
still into it.
But you know, we lit a littlebit of a fire under the 20th
anniversary and we said, hey,everybody pay more attention
right now, because we're goingto shine a spotlight on it,
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because we were shocked that ABCwasn't Like it's the 20th
anniversary of one of yourbiggest shows.
Why are we the ones who have todo this project, but happy to do
it.
But that was the most rewardingthing was just bringing people
together and, you know, for thecast too, like some of them
hadn't thought about it ortalked about it since the show
(29:12):
ended and some of them talkabout it every day, like
Jorgecia doesn't go very longwithout someone asking him about
lost right, but some of thefolks that were only in a few
episodes like it doesn't reallycome up.
So it's pretty, pretty cool inthat way and that's something I
love doing in the pop cultureworld is just getting to talk
(29:34):
with people about something theylove, and that's my job, right,
and the Scott documentary too.
It's like hey, remember thatthing you love from 20 years ago
.
You want to just sit around andtalk about that all day.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
And that's just going to be my job now.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, that's that's a hell of a job, man.
I mean, that's that's thereason why I do this show is
like I just I want to talk topeople who love stuff.
Tell me why you love this thing.
And half this, half the moviesor TV shows that people come on
to talk about, I've like neverseen or sometimes never even
heard of.
So I'm like cool, this gives mean excuse to connect with you
over this thing.
Um, so, yeah, that's really,that's really powerful.
(30:11):
Um, actually, it's so funny.
So, one of my really goodfriends, um uh, so I'm in
Raleigh, north Carolina, and Imet one of my good friends here.
Uh, we worked at the samepost-production studio here in
Raleigh and, um, he was a biglost fan and he is.
He was friends, still isfriends with, uh, jay and Jack
(30:32):
of the Jay and Jack podcast InRaleigh, North Carolina.
Exactly.
And so when I was watchingGetting Lost, there's footage of
Jay and Jack doing some eventsand stuff like that.
There's like some archival.
And I spotted my friend.
I was like I texted him apicture.
I was like I see you in thebackground.
And also I was like I think Imight've been there, but I
wasn't in the movie.
But I like I've been in thatspace and I've been, I've seen
(30:53):
them do that thing.
So I was like kind of looking,um, so it's just kind of a it's.
It's so wild that this just anyshow in general, like the way
it can connect people because ofthe internet, like we're
ragging on the internet, it's acurrent dumpster fire, uh, but
like the, but people have madefriends from all over the world
(31:13):
and it's just wild that a showor a movie, she can just bring
these people together.
Um, and so, yeah, I just I justthink that's really cool, it's
magic, um.
So okay, let's talk about theshow itself.
Sure, I need to know um, isthere a lost character you
identify with most?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I mean.
So that changes for me all thetime.
I've watched the show manytimes.
I'm currently in the middle ofa rewatch.
I started a rewatch duringmaking the movie and I didn't
finish because I got caught upmaking the movie.
So I'm somewhere in season fiveright now and it changes.
And it changes.
When I started the show in 2004, five, whenever the DVD came
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out after the season ended, yeah, Um, it was Charlie.
I was, I was a musician, right,I was going to be a bloody rock
God.
So that was that was my guysLike, oh, if I crash landed, all
I care about is getting myguitar out of the brambles by
the.
I don't care about the airplaneparts or whatever.
Give me my guitar.
Oh my God, it's not broken.
I can't believe.
(32:22):
None of the strings were broken.
Come on, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
That was a sturdy ass case, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
And it was one of those Ovation guitars with the
plastic back.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
That the plastic back .
That's why it survived thehumidity and the temperature
changes.
Oh yeah, that's right.
Yeah, um, anyway, so charliewas my guy.
Who am I speaking to charlie?
Uh, charlie, pace, I'm asurvivor flight 815 oceanic
flight 815.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Where are you?
We're on an island.
We're alive.
An island.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
I don't know who's this.
This is penelope.
How did you?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
get this frequency, desmond.
Spoiler alert, for I don't knowwhy you're listening to this,
but charlie dies, um, notpenny's boat, and he's both.
And there is this spiritual,metaphorical and like literal
handoff where they're like ifyou were a charlie fan, you are
now a hurley fan.
Where they're like charlie diedand the only person on the
(33:19):
island who cares is hurley thepeople on the boat aren't who
they say.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
They are what who are they?
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I don't know, but we didn't get caught with duck.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
No, it's all right, we can call him.
We have a walkie, it's okay.
Where is it get?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
it.
What do you mean if peoplearen't who?
Speaker 1 (33:32):
they say Where's Charlie?
Speaker 2 (33:41):
I'm sorry, brother, claire's sad, but Hurley is like
really messed up.
And then Hurley's talking toghost Charlie and all this stuff
.
So then I'm a Hurley guy, likefor the rest of the show, which
is more than half the show,timeline wise, not episode wise,
cause they get shorter seasons.
So I was a Charlie guy and I'ma Hurley guy.
(34:02):
Then on rewatches, I'm just aHurley guy.
I'm just like this guy gets it,he's listening to his disc man
at the beginning and like, Idon't know, he's not hoarding
batteries.
There must've been morebatteries on that plane.
There's a thousand tarps andonly two AA batteries.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
The weirdest shipment of.
It's like the weirdest planewhere they're transporting tarps
.
And then as I get older becauseI'm, you know, in my early 20s
when the show comes out collegeage I'm like I'm going to be a
rock star and then I'm justgoing to be like the fun guy,
right, that's, that's my vibe.
And then the older I get,catching up to today like the
(34:43):
more I realize the only peopleon that whole show that have
anything figured out are Roseand Bernard.
So you've been scavenging foodand living out in a hut by
yourselves.
People try their whole lives toget themselves a nice quiet
place near the ocean wheretheyard guy Shut up with all
(35:18):
your stupid drama who caresabout the smoke monsters and the
whatever we're just going tolike?
Hang out over here.
We're on a tropical island, wegot no responsibilities, our
diseases are cured, people aredropping food from the sky.
We have no wants.
Let's just chill, guys.
(35:39):
So you know, as much as I wantto be like I'm Lapidus and I'm
chill and I can fly a helicopter, I'm like Rosen Bernard all day
, every day.
They're the only people thatknow what's up.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
That's so great.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, what about you yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Uh, yeah, uh, it's tough.
But the past.
I'm also in the middle of arewatch, but this time in the
past two times, like I, I reallylove lock.
I need to know why you believethat that thing wasn't gonna.
I believe that I was beingtested, tested, yeah, tested.
I think that's why you and Idon't see eye to eye sometimes,
(36:17):
jack, because you're a man ofscience.
Yeah, what does that make youMe?
Well, I'm a man of faith and Ididn't think I would ever like
him as much as I do, based onwhen I first watched the show,
like way back, when I'm like,kind of your, I root for the
(36:38):
standard hero, basically likewhoever is presented to me as
the hero on the show.
I'm like, okay, cool Jack, I'mrooting for Jack, like whatever,
um, and just I want him to dowhat he wants to do.
I, yeah, and but it's like.
But as I've, again, age, seenmore, learn more, experience
more.
(36:58):
I don't know if I necessarilylike hardcore and like this is
my character, but the more timesI'm watching it, the more times
I understand lock and like justhis, his such strong desire to
belong and find meaning and anda lot of times that does not
(37:20):
work but that feels like life tome, like half the struggle is
trying to find your meaning andthen sometimes you don't fucking
find out what it is or youthink it's one thing and it's
actually not that thing at all.
And then you become, uh, theman in black and you're like, I
don't know what you are now, butI'm still like loving Terry
O'Quinn's pivot to a differentcharacter.
(38:04):
Why John Locke?
Sure you do.
Why john lock?
Because he was stupid enough tobelieve that he'd been brought
here for a reason, because hepursued that belief until it got
him killed and because you werekind enough to bring his body
back here in a nice wooden box,and that that's why I'm like I
whenever he turns into the manof like.
I'm like man this is.
I love this version of Lockecause he's like he's such a
fucking badass.
I mean, he's a badass anyway,but he's a sad badass.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
And now he's just like he's a sad ass, is what he
is.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
It's a great character.
There's a lot of greatcharacters on that show.
It's really tough and that's, Ithink, something they did so
brilliantly is there is almostno matter who you are.
There's somebody to identifywith, there's somebody to hate,
there's somebody to you know,have a big old crush on, there's
somebody to be jealous of,there's somebody there's, like
(38:53):
so many characters, at least atsome point in the show, because
they do bring in a lot and thenthey leave and they, you know
there's.
It's a lot going on.
Yeah, some of the seasonposters have 30 people, some of
them only have 12.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
It's a little bit crazy so we talked about a four
quadrant show, basically thisrough concept, um, but I mean it
appeals to everyone, but do youthink there's something
specific about it that grabbedpeople's attention, like right
away?
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Um, well, I think a little bit.
It's what we had talked about.
People hadn't seen anythinglike it.
I mean, first of all, thatpilot at the time was the most
expensive pilot ever made.
It looked like a movie.
It was shot on film at a timewhen people that was falling out
of favor, I mean, they bought afreaking airplane and blew
parts of it up on Oahu Like itlooks amazing.
(39:50):
It holds up because it was shoton film and because almost all
the effects are practical.
I mean the digital ones do nothold up, but all the practical
stuff holds up.
The locations are amazing, thecast is amazing, like, like I
said, TV was not like that.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Hey, you come here.
I need you to get this womanaway from these fumes.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Take her over there, stay with her.
If her contractions occur anycloser than three minutes apart,
call out for me.
Oh, you got to be kidding me,I'll be right back, okay, hey,
what's your name?
Jack, and it's hard to imaginenow because we're in the era of,
like prestige TV and every youknow, hbo and Apple TV plus, and
(40:36):
like everything is amazing andeverything looks like a movie.
It did not look like that backthen.
Tv was not great and they hadto fight hard, uh, to shoot it
and air it in widescreen Causethis was like the dawn of people
having widescreen TVs in 2004.
A lot of people still hadsquare TVs so it was letterboxed
(40:56):
and that was like a networkfight to shoot it on film, to
shoot it 16.9, and be like thisis what we're doing.
And then it's in HD and it'sone of the first iTunes shows.
It was the first of so manythings and I think at the age
(41:20):
the early two thousands weresuch a like look at the shiny
new thing era and lost Was thatin so many ways.
I'm not going to say it didn'tmatter, like what the contents
of the show were, but a littlebit.
It had so many of those hooksgoing for it that it almost
(41:45):
didn't matter what the contentsof the show were.
The contents were great, butthe contents could have been
great and if it didn't have allthose hooks, how do you get the
eyeballs in the first place forpeople to know that.
Yeah, and so I mean, like Ithink people say it on the doc,
but it was a lot of theconfluence of all these amazing
things, right place, right timein a lot of ways, because people
(42:07):
didn't know whether or not youcould do a serialized show,
whether you could do like asci-fi mystery show.
You know, when that firstepisode ends, the trees shake
and there's the crazy sound.
It was like there's dinosaursin those bushes.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Yeah, that's what I thought when I first watched it.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Most people did and they're like but you can't do a
network TV show with the guyfrom party of five and there's
dinosaurs.
You know like, the last showwith dinosaurs was the sitcom
dinosaurs, that's right.
And I was a puppet, yeah.
So I think it had a lot goingfor it.
The production value was insane.
(42:47):
It was insanely expensive, thecast was amazing.
And then you look at thecreatives behind it and what
they've gone on to do and it'slike a once in a lifetime
pedigree of like who made thisshow and just a miracle that it
got made at all.
And then you know in hindsightyou're like well, of course it
(43:11):
was a giant hit, but at the timepretty big gamble.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Yeah, it was.
Yeah, I think it was to comeout on a four.
I was, I was a senior in highschool and I'm like at that age
where I like cause my folks andI used to like watch TV every
night together, like growing up,and then, as I got older, like
I was able to get like my own TVin my room and I like started
(43:37):
doing my own thing and watchingTV and chatting on AIM with my
high school friends at the sametime, not paying, really paying
attention, but loss was the show, the only show that, as I got
older, we would still watchtogether.
Um, cause it was like it was,it was our show.
Um, and then, as I went off tocollege, like I tried to like
find people.
(43:58):
I didn't, I didn't walk aroundand be like, do you like lost?
Do you like lost?
I was like, if I can findpeople who like the show, we can
watch together.
And my friend who I mentionedbefore um, she was the only
person I knew in college who hada VCR in her dorm room and so
she was the only one who couldrecord it.
I was like, okay, I kind ofhave to be your friend so I can
watch the shows.
So that was the way.
(44:18):
Yeah, that was the way that webonded over that and just that
communal aspect like you weretalking about.
Okay, there's six seasons, somany things to talk about.
Do you have a favorite moment,episode or scene from the entire
show?
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Yeah, and they change all the time.
But, and there's so manymoments that get me a big one
for me and we we touch on thisin the doc and it's because of
my how much the moment resonateswith me, but like the moment
(44:58):
when the dog swims out after theraft Stay, vincent, go back.
Vincent, vincent, go back, goback, go back, vincent, vincent,
go back, go back.
When vincent is like and thatwasn't a scripted moment and
(45:22):
that just happened, and like, ifthat doesn't get you, like,
come on where's your heart at?
yeah, but that knowing, like weall knew, there's no way they're
getting off this Island thisearly in the show.
Like that's the end of seasonone.
Like there's no way the firstseason ends with like half the
(45:44):
characters, right.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Or like something's going to happen yeah, it's going
to happen here.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
So like it was fraught with a little bit of
tension anyway.
And then the dog and likeyou're just crying, and then the
big music and the helicoptershot and the raft goes off and
just like, yeah, that end ofseason one is pretty, pretty
amazing.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
And then mr friendly shows up hey, it's a good thing
we found you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we survived.
And there's a whole group ofpeople on the other Well, ain't
that something?
Yeah, only the thing is we'regoing to have to take the boy.
What, what'd you say?
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Like that's a hell of a minute of television.
That's a chilling line.
That is a chilling line in thatmoment, and then it's like thud
wait six months oh man that was.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
I mean, the show had an impact on me, but that was
the first show that I remember,at the end of every episode,
being so angry because I wantedto know what happened next and I
had to wait a whole week, right, and there were things too that
like I like I watched it as itwas, almost came out then on my
first rewatch, when it wasavailable on a streaming
platform or whenever.
I mean I've got all six seasonsso I can just watch it whenever,
(47:04):
um.
But when I started with, likethe binge approach, I was like
holy shit, I forgot so manythings.
Like I forgot that this thingthat happens in early in season
one connects to something laterin season three and and all
these connections and I was likethis, it made me love it more
because it's things that Ididn't even realize that were
actually happening, because Iwould forget like oh, that
(47:25):
character that shows up, Ihaven't seen them in four
seasons, but they're actuallyimportant for something that
happens later and I'm like oh,that's actually the same person
and there'd be like like on theDVDs too.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
It was such a like DVDs were such a thing.
At that time I was so into DVDspecial features.
Like that was my film schoolfor all intents and purposes,
was like making of documentariesand stuff and watching and lost
had some great ones, like thatSeason one DVD.
The making of the pilot is isfilm school.
(48:01):
If you're like how do you workin the worst conditions but have
the most money and no time andit's still difficult?
But yeah, I mean it's crazy.
Um, but like the dvd extras,like later they would have like
these character maps that wouldshow you how everyone was
connected.
Oh right, that's right, thisperson's that, and then the
backstory and then this and thenfor some, these character maps
that would show you how everyonewas connected.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Oh right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
This person's that, and then the backstory, and then
this, and then, for some reason, Nikki and Paolo are there and
you're like, oh, okay, it's allfine Great.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
I was curious if you would naturally bring up expose.
I was like 100%.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
That is a highly underrated episode.
Razzle, dazzle, ah, autumnCrystal.
Bad news Corvette was workingfor the Cobra, but fear not, he
(48:55):
will pay and cut and I willthrow it in my top ten every
time.
If you want to just watch oneepisode of Lost for fun, it's
one of the best.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
That's a good one.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
Because it's standalone and it's very Back to
the Future 2, which is myfavorite Back to the Future,
wherein you get to revisit allthe fun moments from the show
from a different perspective.
And then as a filmmaker you'relike, oh, they got to reshoot
all of that.
But they kind of reuse some ofthe footage and like, snuck
these other actors in.
(49:31):
Yeah like snuck these otheractors in.
Yeah, but like I talked to, youknow some of these actors the
guy who played Arst and these,uh, and Maggie Grace who played
Shannon, and it's like they flewthem back to shoot like half a
scene from the pilot over, justso they could put Nikki and
Paolo in it, and you're likethat's, that's neat, just as a
thing, and Billy Dee Williams isin it.
(49:52):
It's a great episode.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Yes, a hundred percent.
I remember when that one cameout I was like what the hell is
this episode?
I was trying.
I was like I don't know thesepeople, what's happening?
Great.
And then when I rewatched it, Iwas like you know what this is?
Television brilliance.
I love this, so right.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
It was very annoying when it came out because it
didn't move anything forward andit was such a show.
And the same with like acrossthe sea, you know there's an
abaterno.
There's these episodes whereit's like I get it, we want this
information.
And it's really cool, likethese self-contained bottle
episodes where you're just likegreat.
(50:27):
But especially when theystarted putting them in the last
season because they keptpromoting like there's only six
episodes left before the finaleand you're like yeah, oh, my god
, one of them is this.
Like we don't know, we don't getany new information about
what's going on with jack andhurley and I love that paterno,
though I love yeah.
No, it's a great episode.
I just I questioned theplacement, like in season four.
(50:50):
It's an amazing episode.
But you start putting it solate in the series and you're
just like but what about what'sgoing on with Kate?
Is Sawyer going to be okay?
Speaker 1 (51:01):
The show's almost over.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
I want to hang out with the people that I know
Right, Like we've invested allthis time or like some of those
things.
Just give us an extra episode.
You know know, like on thatweek air an episode with our
characters and give us abaterno.
That's a little too.
I think that's what peoplewanted, but uh no.
And to your point about likenot being able to to binge and
(51:27):
having to wait a week, that'salso something that, for the
most part, has been gone for along time.
It's coming back with some,like HBO shows and Apple shows,
and even Netflix tries it hereand there, but it was such a
thing and such a part of theexperience that people watch
lost.
Now don't get right.
It's only available to binge.
(51:47):
You can't force someone towatch it one a week, although
Michael Giacchino, the composer,when he shows it to his kids
and whenever one of his kidsturns 15, they get to watch lost
and he makes them watch one aweek as like I like that's good
parenting.
It feels like this is how youexperience this thing, yeah,
which I think is very, veryappropriate.
(52:09):
But what I loved about and thisis sort of how that community
aspect formed is like it wouldair and then it would end, and I
forget, like it would air ateight and be done at nine or
nine and 10, depending on whattime zone you're in, or whatever
and I would immediately go onthe internet, which was maybe
(52:30):
even dial up for some of thisbut and you'd wait, there would
be like podcasts that would comeout an hour later.
There would be message boardsthat were lighting up the moment
after, and I would be one ofthose people that spent the six
days between episodes.
There'd be a new podcast everyday.
There'd be these blogs, there'dbe Doc Jensen and Joe
(52:52):
Pinionated and people who wouldwrite pages and pages and pages
dissecting the episodes.
So I knew in real time what youfound out later on.
The rewatch is like, oh, thisbackground character was
actually from this other episode, yeah, and like in my head I'm
like, okay, doing the math, andblah, blah, blah, because you
couldn't really rewatch theepisode unless you had a VCR or
something.
But there were also websitesthat would do like frame grabs
(53:18):
of every fifth frame of theepisode and they're still online
If you go dig.
So there's like a site up thathas every episode of lost and
it'll be like 300 frame grabsfrom the episode and they're
kind of random so they're notgreat frames.
It's hilarious and that wascoming out like the day the
episode aired no-transcriptbecause I'm not a big reader,
(54:05):
but they would explain to me whyit mattered yeah, yeah and you
love this community of people.
You meet these people and you'relike, wow, I think we're all
just best friends because ofthis show and it was always kind
of the same kind of people likedifferent worldviews, different
backgrounds and certainly fromall over the world, but like
(54:27):
really like focused people,people who are really into pop
culture and like trying to solvemysteries.
We were all trying to solve themystery of the island in real
time.
It was like this big detectiveagency of millions of lost fans
on the internet and you feltlike you were part of something,
(54:48):
like you weren't just watchinga show, you were experiencing
the show and that's what I thinkmade it so special.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
Yeah, I think, especially now, like you
mentioned earlier, like certainnetworks are still.
I mean, hbo has always been aweekly drop, like that's.
That's something they've alwaysdone because they've been
premium cable, um but withstreamers specifically trying
weekly releases, I think that'sreally great.
I think, I mean it still is ondemand after it comes out, so
(55:19):
it's like you can still watch itat any point you want to after
it's out there.
But yeah, when you're havingthis, yeah, when you were with
so much available now at anytime, it does feel like less of
an experience to your point, now, at any time.
It does feel like less of anexperience to your point.
It feels like I've talked aboutmy disdain for almost the word
consume when it comes to mediaCause that just it implies that
(55:41):
like it's a weird digestivesystem and you just have to like
I'm eating this thing up, likeI'm consuming this.
It's like a part of me or whatI'm just going on to the next
thing.
Like it feels very I don't know, it feels materialistic, if
that's like kind of the rightway to put it, but I feel that
like there's a almost a lack ofexperience now like things, what
makes us a show or a movie, atheater going experience so
(56:05):
special is being there is likeis the other people, and whether
it's the people online that youchat with immediately after a
show or if you're happen to bein a packed movie theater
everybody experiencing the samefilm all at once.
I think there's somethingmissing from that, when
everything is available all thetime.
Speaker 2 (56:25):
Yeah, and the theater experience is dwindling very
quickly right in front of us andit's very sad.
I'm a huge uh advocate forgoing to the theater.
Go to your local theater, evensupport the chains.
As much as you know, they'remultinational evil conglomerates
(56:47):
.
They they will cease to existif we stop going um and try to
not just do it for the bigMarvel movies and the Disney
properties, because we're losingmovies in theaters and once we
lose, they're not going to comeback.
We lost the COVID hit and theystarted putting movies out on
(57:07):
streaming for $20, the premium,the PVOD window, which
immediately shortened thetheatrical window for movies.
Yeah, uh, from, we used to getlike three months and then it
was two months and now it's likethree weeks for a lot of movies
.
Yeah, if that, or it'll be dayand date where, like, you can
(57:28):
rent it at home or you can go tocinemark.
And no one goes to cinemark,right, because they're like I
have a 75 inch tv with surroundsound in my living room and for
my family of four it's half theprice to stay home, so people
stay home, and that was like adirect COVID hit and Disney
experimented with one movie andthey're like we made a billion
dollars streaming it at home.
(57:49):
So theaters are done, yeah, andit's just going to take one
more instance like that andtheaters are over and then
they're never coming back.
So like, and we lose what youjust said, that communal
experience that we all grew upon.
That was, to me, the best partof movie, why I love movies so
(58:15):
much.
When I made the, theblockbuster doc, the thing that
kept coming up time and time andtime again was not, you know,
oh, I loved going to blockbustervideo because I rented
ghostbusters or I rentedterminator 2 or I rented
jurassic park.
It was always because I wasthere with my mom, because I was
there with my grandma, becauseI went with my brother and we
(58:35):
would fight over which movie topick.
People didn't remember whatmovie they rented.
They remembered who they werewith.
Speaker 1 (58:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:42):
You know, and it's like I remember some movies I
saw in the theater, but I mostlyremember who I went with.
You know your first date, your,your best friend, your family,
and when that goes away it'sgone and we're all just sitting
on the couch.
And now it's more and more byourselves, distracted by a phone
, and then movies are done and Idon't know if I want to live in
(59:07):
that world.
Speaker 1 (59:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (59:12):
Sorry, that's my sad rant.
Speaker 1 (59:17):
No, no, I'll pick it back up here in a second.
One of those like it got realdark, got real dark.
Favorite moments in blockbusterwere going, actually in college
(59:39):
with my friends and looking atthe absurd movies that were
there that we had never heard of.
Like that was the first time Isaw a movie called ginger dead
man starring Gary Busey Um, andI think snakes on a plane had
come out.
And there was another moviecalled snakes on a train that
was sitting there in blockbusterand it was like this is
(01:00:00):
hilarious and also like theartwork.
Like I've had so manyconversations on this podcast
where someone has said I want towatch this movie and I'm like
I've never seen that but I knowwhat the artwork looks like
because I saw it in blockbusterand was just captured by the
images on there.
And you're right, like, evenjust like, and just go to a
rental store is like I don'tremember what I'm picking out,
(01:00:22):
but I'm remembering who I withand it's fun to think about
these experience.
It's the experience, again,around art.
Like even if you're not you'renot blockbuster watching a thing
, you're trying to decide whatyou're going to watch, but
you're still there with someonecontemplating or fighting.
Like I want to watch this, Iwant to watch Ninja Turtles, I
want to watch something else.
Like, yeah, having that littleconversation is always fun to
(01:00:43):
remember.
Okay, last question I havebefore you go.
We're going to keep it positivehere.
I love it.
You were trapped on a desertisland, sure, on a desert Island
, and you have a working TV anda working Blu-ray player.
Uh, what are your five TV boxsets that you want to have with
you?
And they, none of them can belost.
Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Oh man, tv boxes, none of them can be lost.
I'm trapped on a desert Islandso I'm going to want things that
had a pretty long run.
I think, okay, um, oh man, butall the best shows had short
runs.
I mean, you can watch it again.
Yeah, it's tough, the stuff I.
I tend to go back.
(01:01:20):
I'm gonna, I think, throw somecurveballs.
I'm gonna go with the west wing.
Oh that is solid choice shows.
I've watched that as many timesas I've watched lost um and if I
thought there was a market forit I'd be making a West wing
documentary.
But I mean, there might be,there is, but the politics
(01:01:41):
behind it, I think, would crushmy soul.
The aspirational Bartlettpresidency is just just make
everybody super sad.
Yeah, I can't spend too manyyears thinking about that.
I have a Bartlett for presidentt-shirt that I wear.
Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Oh, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
And if I could stomach writing him in and not
doing my civic duty.
Yeah, west Wing is up there andthat's a long one.
That's a good.
You know, kill some time.
I'd put Breaking Bad in there,that's a good.
That's like shift in tone fromWest Wing pretty hard and I
think, it's, it's great, it'sjust like quality storytelling.
(01:02:19):
I think that's one of the oneswhere they really knew the whole
roadmap the whole way and it'slike well executed all the way.
I would exclude the whateverthat follow-up movie thing was I
don't know.
Oh yeah, I wouldn't be in thebox at any point.
El Camino was I don't?
Oh yeah, I wouldn't be in thebox at anyway.
Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
El Camino Sure that was what it's called.
Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
I don't know I'm going to go Freaks and Geeks.
It's not enough.
It's like a little snack inbetween.
It's just one season, yeah,yeah, it's just the one season.
I go with one that has a lot,just for making my pop culture
brain have a fun time.
Beverly Hills 90210.
Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Okay, I haven't seen a single episode of that show.
Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
I believe there are 10 seasons of that show, oh wow,
each one having 22 to 26episodes.
Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Yeah, network TV, like they're going to have all
the episodes.
I watched it all the waythrough a couple of times.
Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
I was on tour with a band once and that's all I had
in the back of the van.
I just watched.
Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Beverly Hills 90210.
Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Every day.
It's great, it's bad.
It's what's great about bad TVfrom that era All right, good,
trash it ran from, like, 1990 tothe year 2000,.
Which is a perfect time frame.
Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
I do remember it as a 90s show, so that makes total
sense All of the 90s in one show, one more.
Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
I got some drama.
I got some comedy with thefreaks and geeks.
My So-Called Life is the lastone.
Another one-seasoner way aheadof its time.
It's just exactly my era.
I'm exactly that age.
Of this is what the 90s was.
(01:04:03):
To me, that's like the realversion of what Beverly Hills
90210 was.
The realistic Jordan Catalanoin his little band.
Oh yeah, in five minutes I'mgoing to wish I could take back
all five of those answers andgive you five new TV shows,
except the West wing, that one'sperfect.
Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Taylor, thanks so much, man.
This was such a blast to talkwith you.
Thank you for loving loss somuch.
You made a documentary about it.
Watching the documentary, maybeit may be nostalgic and maybe
rewatch the show again, andmaybe re-watch the show again.
So thanks for that.
Thanks for having me.
So I just finished my mostrecent re-watch of Lost and
every time I go back to theisland I leave with something
(01:04:44):
new to appreciate.
This time I keep thinking abouthow there are so many
characters trying to do whatthey believe is the right thing,
and a lot of times it doesn'twork out until it does, and I
think some of us don't realizethat that also applies to the
real world.
We're scared that trying to dothe right thing won't work, so
(01:05:09):
we just don't try at all.
And I feel like, especially,especially now, we need to
remind each other of this.
We need to have the back of ourcommunity in speaking up for
what is right, because, as JackShepard once said, if we can't
live together we're gonna diealone.
(01:05:31):
I absolutely love Lost and Ican't thank Taylor enough for
coming on the show to talk aboutit with me.
You should rent or buy GettingLost right now on Amazon or
Apple TV or any of the othervideo on demand sites.
I also have to extend a polarbear size.
Thank you to you for joining ustoday in our discussion.
(01:05:53):
If you want to check out moreof Taylor's filmography, I've
got links to some of that stuffin the show notes.
So what did we miss?
Lost is about a whole bunch ofstuff, so I'm sure there's
something that we didn't cover.
Did we need to give Sawyer somemore love?
Should we have talked about theothers more?
Is Benjamin Linus the greatestTV villain of all time?
I want to hear your thoughts,so hop on over to the Nuthouse
(01:06:17):
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You can find links to that inthe show description as well.
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