June 26, 2025 • 26 mins
“We wanted to create the Nespresso of gardening.”
Co-Founder and CEO Alberto Aguilar shares how simplicity meets sustainability with Plantaform’s smart indoor garden. 🪴
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CES 2025: Plantaform Launches Smart Indoor Gardens with Fogponics Technology
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Steven (00:01):
Welcome to the Four Worlds Podcast from Tomorrow's
World Today.
We're diving into the latest intech, science, and
sustainability, from nature'smysteries and the world of
inspiration, to the hands-oncrafts of creation, the bold
breakthroughs of innovation, andthe scaled-up wonders of
production.
This is your ticket to thestories shaping tomorrow.
(00:22):
On this episode, we sit downwith Alberto Aguilar, the CEO
and co-founder of Plantaform, todiscuss their smart indoor
gardens that leverage the latesttechnology to bring the beauty
of gardening inside your home.
Thank you so much for joiningus.
I just want to welcome you tothe show.
(00:43):
Thanks for having me on theshow.
I've been super excited aboutthis.
Yeah, likewise, becausePlantaform is really exciting.
I'm not sure if we got toconnect at CES, but this is kind
of how we discoveredPlantaform.
And we just want to get thingsstarted about your story.
What is the story behindPlantaform?
What inspired its creation?
(01:03):
And how did that vision for thecompany come to
Alberto (01:05):
life?
So initially, actually, itcomes a lot from my past when I
was a kid.
And I grew up in Spain where wegrew all of our food and
vegetables.
We're almost fullyself-sustaining for over 10
years.
And then when I came to Canada,that came to an end.
Obviously, with the harshwinters, living in a small
apartment, it was impossible tocontinue that habit and that joy
of gardening.
(01:26):
At the end of 2019, one of myold friends from high school
reached out to me talking aboutthis idea about growing food
indoors, which I was veryfascinated about.
And then he talked about thefact that, you know, NASA was
trying to grow plants in spaceusing this very cool technology
called fogponics.
And so, you know, I've been inentrepreneurship for a couple of
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years before that and had otherstartups.
And I thought, you know what,that's very cool.
Why don't we try to get intothis together?
And so, you know, Kiwa, me andour third co-founder, George,
decided to get into it and builda better solution to be able to
empower people to grow theirown food at home.
And with the news of COVID juststarting up, it actually
presented a huge opportunitythat we thought, you know what,
I think this is our chance.
(02:06):
chance to actually get outthere and try to solve this big
problem.
So that really was the birthbehind Plantaform.
Steven (02:13):
Now, that's amazing.
And just hearing about yourbackground in Spain, what kind
of inspired this all, it'sreally interesting how all of
that takes shape.
Now, learning about that, whatis the core mission of
Plantaform and how does itinspire your team's work every
day throughout the years?
Alberto (02:29):
Well, as an agri-tech company where we're building
machines to grow food, reallyour biggest mission is to
contribute to feeding the worldof the future.
With the higher demand ofincreasing food supplies and
essentially bringing healthierproduce and making it more
accessible, we're as well in amission to be able to empower as
many people to be able to growtheir own food at home.
And that's really what hasbrought this team as well,
(02:49):
right?
Everyone in the team that hasjoined has that same sort of
like moral compass andcommitment wanting to contribute
to this mission.
So there's that mutualinterest, that mutual passion.
And it really is what got ustogether and why we've built
such a strong team.
No, that's great.
And
Steven (03:05):
what brings you on this show is the Smart Indoor Garden.
And that's what we're going tojump into in a little bit.
We're going to kind of teasethat just a tiny bit.
I want to know, you know, justabout you and how you started
this company.
Were there any innovators,leaders, or even companies that
kind of inspired the way youapproach your work every day and
(03:27):
even dating back all the wayfrom the founding of Plantaform.
Alberto (03:30):
There's many.
I mean, I've always said I'vebeen a multiple co-founder in
the past.
And I've always looked up tomany big companies like, of
course, Tesla, SpaceX.
A lot of these hard workcompanies are building the
craziest things in the world andpushing the boundaries of
innovation.
With Plantiform, well, weactually started in a very rough
spot, right?
COVID just began, borders shutdown.
(03:51):
The whole world was a whole,like it was an absolute mess.
And here we are, you know, afew entrepreneurs getting
together, going to hardware,agritech and software when we've
just been used to buildingsoftware in the past companies.
So, you know, in terms ofinspiration, of course, I mean,
I think everything that ElonMusk, for example, has been able
(04:13):
to achieve or his brother interms of pushing innovations in
agri-tech really is what pushesand gave us the inspiration to
leverage COVID, right?
And that pause of the worldphase to go all deep into this
and figure this out.
As I said, we don't come from avery STEM background per se,
but we were able to connect witha lot of researchers,
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scientists, professors aroundthe world who had some basic
knowledge on fogponics andaeroponics.
And so we just kept gatheringinformation and prototypes and
testing and kind of likethrowing some things into the
wall until something wouldstick.
So yeah, I mean, it was just alot of trial and error, a lot of
persistency, a tiny bit of, howwould you say?
(04:54):
I don't know.
I think it's just theignorance, the ignorance of
believing that we can actuallypull this off.
So that hard headache that wehad got us to this point.
Steven (05:05):
It's funny how those things work, you know, and just
comparing yourself to some ofthese big companies, the
different backstory that youhave from it.
Does that make it a little morespecial, you know, getting
together with some friends andseeing where you've come over
the years, especially jumpingover that, you know, hump of
COVID and getting to where youare today?
Does that just make things alittle more special?
Alberto (05:26):
Oh my God, absolutely.
I keep telling everyone thatlike what we've done, I mean,
hardware is hard by itself, butbeing able to combine hardware,
agri-tech Like, you know, tryingto pioneer in this new
technology that there's such alittle amount of literature out
there.
Going into manufacturing whensupply chains are so uncertain,
it feels like everything wasjust against us from the
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beginning, but it just feels sogood and so special to like have
it brought it all to life andexpanding so quickly.
And, you know, that vision thatwe had from day one hasn't
changed and it became a reality.
So everything about thisjourney from the people we've
worked with, like theachievements that we've been
able to get to now being at CESand winning, you know, this
year's best Innovation Award.
It's just, there's no words todescribe how special this
(06:09):
journey has been and we justkeep getting so excited from
where we're heading towards.
Steven (06:12):
Yeah.
And let's just jump right toit.
You know, going through all ofthose years where you guys
started, everything that youwent through finally brought you
to the Smart Indoor Garden.
We'll get to that innovationaward here in a little bit.
But what inspired that, youknow, Smart Indoor Garden and
how does it work?
What is it?
Give the people what they want.
Alberto (06:32):
Well, it all started with how do we allow or empower
people to grow fresh food athome and make that the simplest
way possible, right?
If everyone could grow theirown food at home and have a
garden, then that would be themain solution for the world.
But most people don't have thetime, space or knowledge to be
able to grow that food.
And so we got inspired byNespresso because brewing
coffees like Nespresso does,they always come up perfect.
(06:53):
It's super simple and it's apush of a button.
Well, Through that inspiration,we were able to create what we
call or dub the Nespresso ofgardening, where we offer these
capsules, right, where there'sno soil in them.
The seeds are already in it.
They're organically sourced.
And it works with three simplesteps.
You put the cup, you add somewater, and at the push of a
button, instead of brewingcoffee, it will brew your
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vegetables.
So really, it's that.
It's the simplicity of howNespresso brews the perfect cup
of coffee.
Well, we wanted to bring thesimplicity of how to grow fresh
food at home.
Steven (07:26):
And just talking about that, you're talking about kind
of like a self-sustainability,growing your own food.
What are some other of thosemajor benefits from something
like the smart indoor garden?
Alberto (07:37):
Well, there's many of them.
It starts with the freshness ofthe food, right?
Even things that are labeled asorganic in the supermarkets,
they lose 40 to 60% of itsnutrient value due to
transportation.
And they're still sprayed withpesticides, right?
They're organic, but they aresprayed with pesticides.
And so number one is you'reactually providing a farm to
table solution that you knowexactly what you're eating
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because you're the one growingit.
Number two, the mental healthaspect to it.
There's so many benefits thatwe're bringing nature indoors.
Here in Canada, especially whenwinters are very, long, very
dark and very cold, it can getsomewhat depressing, right?
And bringing that natureindoors, the brightness, the
life, we get so much feedbackfrom our customers and even our
(08:21):
B2B customers like retirementhomes, schools, just enjoying
the fact that they can growfresh tomatoes indoors in the
middle of a winter storm inDecember.
We're happy the fact that wecan bring that to people and
provide that connection againwith nature.
So it's both the actual...
physical health, being able toeat something healthy and
organic, and at the same time,the mental health that that
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brings to you.
Steven (08:43):
Absolutely.
You kind of took the wordsright out of my mouth, talking
about those harsh winters,especially up in Canada.
And again, just going to thatpoint, where is Plantiform
based?
We didn't really
Alberto (08:54):
touch on that.
We're based in the capitalregion of Canada, actually right
here in Gatineau in the Quebecborder.
And the entire team is basedhere.
Our assembly actually is basedhere as well.
And our manufacturing injectionmolding is based out of
Montreal.
So we're fully, fully made inCanada product.
Steven (09:08):
That's great.
And again, those harsh winters,you know, it gets cold up
there.
But, you know, we're here inPittsburgh and some of the
states gets those harsh wintersas well.
Just talking about thosebenefits and talking about the
space.
Some people just don't havethat gardening space.
So this just provides anotheroutlet for those people, right?
Alberto (09:26):
Exactly.
We wanted to create somethingcompact.
And our indoor garden, which isaround 60 centimeters wide and
60 centimeters high, it'sequivalent to a 15 square foot
garden.
And that's just compressed intothis beautifully designed, we
call it a living piece offurniture.
So it kind of integrates niceinto your living room.
But it's very compact and itcan fit into any tiny apartment.
Steven (09:47):
And of course, it's very nature focused.
Bringing nature indoors issomething that has really grown
over the years.
And just talk With it being sonature-focused, how does the
company use nature as a form ofinspiration to keep
Alberto (10:03):
on going?
Well, it's all about how we canbring more nature indoors.
The design itself is veryergonomic, right?
We want to create somethingdifferent from what you get in
the market.
All of our projects are alwaysbased on how do we bring more
greenery indoors.
Besides from indoor gardens,we've been in projects regarding
building horticulture rooms.
Now we're getting involved morein the vertical farming
(10:23):
industry.
But it's all about the nature.
It's all about how do we changethese concrete jungles that we
live in into real greenerjungles, right?
So we're trying to create thatbond in between or that bridge
in between that.
So what
Steven (10:38):
are some of the things that you talked a little bit
about food, of course, someplants.
Just give me an example and alittle bit of a list of what
people can expect if they get asmart indoor garden.
What can they grow?
What does that look like?
Alberto (10:50):
Well, pretty much a lot of the things you can find in a
supermarket, all the kind ofherbs you can find there, you
can grow them in the device.
Lots of leafy greens fromlettuces, spinach, even bok
choy, Swiss chard, complex leafygreens like that.
They're more rare to find.
to like cherry tomatoes.
We have customers growing evenwith chili peppers, habaneros.
And there's just so manypossibilities that you can grow
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outside from what we offeralready.
And we're just continuouslylaunching new pot packs every
season.
And how
Steven (11:16):
long is that process?
Is it about the same amount oftime if you were to start your
own garden outdoors?
Alberto (11:23):
Significantly faster.
The average height of lettucein a garden might take up to two
months, right?
Until it hits maturity.
Because of the uniquetechnology that we're using, you
can actually see harvest asfast as four weeks from the day
that you plant the seed.
So very, very quickly andliterally with absolutely no
maintenance.
Steven (11:40):
That's actually really encouraging to hear because that
might perk people's ears upbecause some people, like you
said before, just don't havethat time to focus on their
garden.
We all live such busy lives.
So that's definitely one ofthose major benefits that you
were talking about earlier.
Alberto (11:55):
Absolutely.
It's all about time savings andmaking this as simple as
possible for the user.
Steven (12:00):
Yeah, and let's talk about that technology that goes
in into being capable of growingall of these products in your
home, all of these leafy greens,plants, food.
What is that technology?
You mentioned it a little bitbefore, but I would really love
to get into how that technologyworks.
Alberto (12:18):
It is the thing that we brag the most about at
Plantaform, because it's ourcore values, our core focus, and
the one thing that we've beenworking the longest until today.
And that technology is calledfogponics.
I'm sure you've heard ofhydroponics.
I'm sure you've heard ofaeroponics.
Well, fogponics Rock ponics isjust a little bit more of an
advanced subset of aeroponics,which was initially studied and
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developed by NASA to be able togrow plants in their space
stations.
This research that NASA wasdoing was abandoned just over a
decade ago.
And we came across it in late2018.
And pretty much what talkedabout, and again, Note that
there's a very little amount ofliterature online about this
technology, but it stated that,you know, NASA was using this
(13:00):
tech to be able to grow plantsusing this fog that was
delivered to the roots.
And this fog would carrynutrients.
It would provide greater accessto oxygen to the roots,
essentially resulting in theplant growing significantly
faster.
So increased yields andutilizes 50% less water than
hydroponics.
So of course, in a place likespace where water is scarce and
it's all about growth andaccelerated growth, this
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technology made absolute sense.
So when we came across thearticle, we were like, well, why
are they not using that here?
I mean, vertical farms couldbenefit from this.
People could have this NASAtechnology into their homes.
And so this is what makes thistechnology so worth it and why
we kept throwing things at thewall until we could prove that
this technology would actuallygrow plants efficiently.
But yeah, it's the most waterefficient technology in the
(13:44):
world and could confirm that'salso the fastest plant growing
tech out there.
Absolutely.
Steven (13:49):
Just talking about how significantly faster it is to
grow these food really standsout to someone that's probably
listening to this or isinterested in your product.
And just talking about the useof the water, how does
Plantiform incorporatesustainability or those ethical
considerations into yourproducts and your technology
developments?
Alberto (14:10):
Well, number one, we actually quantify the amount of
units that are being used in themarket.
Therefore, how much water we'reactually able to save.
You know, over 50% of thenatural freshwater reserves in
the world are used inagriculture.
And by use, I mean wastedbecause they're not properly
been efficiently used.
So we're trying to conserve asmuch water wasted in freshness
with this technology.
And number two, the yields,right?
(14:31):
If within a 12-month harvestingseason, we can increase by one
more harvest, then we'recontributing to actually
increasing the amount of producethey can grow.
And then number three, and oneof the reasons why we focus a
lot on bringing the farm to yourtable is to be able to reduce
the GHG emissions andessentially the food miles that
it takes for food to regularlyget to your table, which on
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average, it takes 20 Taking allof that into
Steven (15:08):
consideration, how important is it to stay
sustainable in your
Alberto (15:13):
industry?
I think it's the only solution.
I mean, we're heading towards afuture where by 2050, we're
just not going to have enoughfood for people.
The global population isgrowing at such a rapid pace
that if you're not focusing onsustainability within the
agri-tech industry, and you'renot finding ways on how to
localize food even better andmaking it more accessible to
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everyone, then you're alreadyrunning behind in the industry.
And so, of course, having avertical farm in your backyard
would prevent you from evergoing to a grocery store, but
that's also inaccessible to mostpeople.
So our contribution to beingable to create that future is
let's educate and contribute tobeing able to bring that farm to
people's table.
And then you will see howpeople will be more inclined to
buying more local.
(15:53):
And just talking about that andtalking
Steven (15:56):
about the technology, how does this make you stand out
in the industry?
Are you kind of a first to dipyour toes in this industry?
Kind of explain and walk methrough that.
Alberto (16:08):
I mean, there's a few pioneers in the world that are
testing with fogponics.
There's one in Germany thatwe've been working with, another
one in the UK, one in Panama.
But not that many people havebeen able to successfully
control this tech or understandthe limitations of it.
But in terms of where we stand,we're not the leaders in the
world in terms of agritech.
I can admit that we're notgoing to be the ones solving
(16:31):
food hunger.
But we are the ones who areleading in this fascinating
technology, which we are aimingfor other industries or other
vertical farmers to adopt in thenear future.
We're pretty much a puzzlepiece on this entire picture
where we could create aperfectly sustainable future.
You know, that puzzle piecelike the other ones are, they're
super important to fit.
And we're playing our part tobe able to create a better
(16:52):
irrigation system with thistechnology.
And, you know, hopefully thenew standards, right, which have
been hydroponics for the lastcouple of centuries, switches
over to now becoming fogponics.
You know, we'll be able torelease a lot more water,
obviously increase yields,increase profitability.
So we're doing our part andwe're very proud to be here and
to be able to now create animpact in this industry in the
(17:13):
near future as well.
Yeah, it's
Steven (17:15):
obvious that you have sustainability at the forefront
of your mind with your product,with your company.
Let's look at the productionprocess.
What does that look like?
Is sustainability still on yourmind throughout the production
process as well?
Alberto (17:30):
Absolutely.
I mean, part of localizing isto be able to reduce
transportation, right?
So manufacturing in Canadaallows us to localize
everything, sourcing thematerials locally.
We do the injection molding inMontreal.
All the plastics then arebrought to our facility in
Gatineau, which is just twohours away.
And then here we assemble allthe products together and then
we ship them directly from thewarehouse to all of our clients.
(17:51):
Same with the plant pots.
The plant pots are made here inCanada as well.
The seeds are organicallysourced locally within Canada
and the US.
So imagine just all the vesselsthat we're avoiding, right,
from manufacturing everywherearound the world, but to be able
to localize this here.
And as we are expanding nowglobally, we're also looking to
open different manufacturingfacilities around the world to
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localize the demand from thoseregions.
So, you know, it's a complexprocess from the injection
molding to assembling ofelectronics.
We even go through a 24-hourquality control testing period
before the devices are packagedand shipped to our customers.
So there's a lot of care,there's a lot of quality and
precision in terms of every unitthat goes to the market.
And that's because we need todeliver the outmost perfect
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product to people, right?
If something goes to you andthere's an issue and it's
shipped back, well, it goesagainst our GHG reduction of
transportation.
So we make sure that everythingis perfect before it comes out
and it stays here in North
Steven (18:45):
America.
That's really encouraging tohear and just hearing about that
production process all the wayup to your product.
It earned you a Best InnovationAward at CES 2025, a huge
accomplishment.
What does it mean to get thatrecognition for Plantaform and
how will it shape those futuregoals that you may have set?
Alberto (19:05):
You know, when you got friends and family that always
just say how proud they are ofyou because of what you're
doing.
Well, it's that times a hundredbecause it's the validation
that we're looking for.
It's that sign that what we'redoing for is right.
And it actually, peopleresonate to it.
And it seems like people areadopting it as well, right?
So for us, it's beyond ourexpectations.
Our first CES, we came here topresent our latest updated
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product and winning this award.
Well, it blew our minds offbecause it just validated that
what we're doing is the world'sbest and one of the world's best
innovation awards of the year.
And so we have that validationand now we just need to keep
pushing forward.
And the demand and traffic thatthis has created has been
overwhelming.
And we're looking at so manynew opportunities into helping
the vertical farming industry,collaborating with researchers.
(19:50):
And I think the world is nowattentive on what we're doing
and attentive on Fogponics.
And I think that what we'vebeen trying to do is coming to a
reality thanks to this
Steven (19:59):
award.
And how do you ensure that planof form remains at the
forefront of innovation?
Because I'm sure that's not theend goal, getting that
innovation award at CES.
So how do you make sure you'restaying at the forefront of
innovation as this industrycontinues to grow and evolve?
Alberto (20:17):
Well, we have a robust R&D team in-house, and we also
work in collaboration with theCanadian government.
It's the Canadian NationalResearch Council.
So we're continuouslydeveloping this technology,
always testing new applications.
always filing new patents.
And we're also doinginternational collaborations
with other research institutionsto be able to come up with new
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challenges.
As I mentioned in thebeginning, the reason why a lot
of people are not successfullytesting with FogPonics is
because they do not understandthe limitations of the
technology.
And so if you do not understandthe limitations, how can you
know that you're maximizing thepotential of this tech?
And so that's what we'recontinuously doing every single
day is pushing that boundary,pushing the limitation and
finding new applications forthis tech.
And that's how we plan to keepbeing the forefront of Fog And
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you just talked
Steven (21:02):
a little bit about some of the challenges that come in
this industry.
How do you overcome those withinnovation?
Alberto (21:30):
Research Council.
So leveraging a lot of thescientists and researchers from
the government of Canada is thereason why we're here today.
That's great.
Steven (21:37):
That's great.
As we wrap this up, hearing allabout Plantform, all about the
Smart Indoor Garden, let's talkabout your team.
Obviously, you know, you talkeda little bit about the
co-founders and everything.
Let's talk about the group as awhole.
How do you continue to fostercreativity and innovation with
your team?
Alberto (21:55):
You know, it's a startup and startups are...
The absolute opposite fromanything corporate.
It's always a roller coaster.
It's always up and down.
But we always try to fosterthat teamwork mindset and always
start our meetings withunderstanding what's our
northern star, what is thecompany's core values, and
what's our mission.
And by repeating thatcontinuously and aligning our
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quarterly goals and yearlygoals, it kind of keeps everyone
tight and aligned.
And there's always that...
You know, reassurance thatevery department is pushing to
their best because it'sintentional.
And everyone that comes atPlantaform and works with
Plantaform always has anintentional motivation to keep
pushing things forward.
So, you know, I definitelywould not be where we are today
(22:36):
without the amazing team thathas created Plantaform.
Steven (22:39):
No, that is really great.
And where do you see Plantiformgoing in the future?
What's next for your company?
What's next for the smartindoor garden?
Is there any upcoming projectsthat you're working on that you
wanted to talk about?
Well, we're
Alberto (22:53):
working on an AI model that will actually allow people
to go with their own seeds.
We're planning to launch thattowards the end of the year.
And it's very cool because,again, we offer the plant pods,
which they are pre-tested andeverything, so that you know you
will get the perfect results atall times.
But there's also a group ofpeople that like to test with
their own seeds, right?
They want to grow their owngarden.
They want to be fullyindependent.
And so we are making thatpossible for them.
(23:16):
Unlike all the othercompetitors that, you know, are
forcing clients to buy fromthem, we actually want to give
you that freedom as well.
So this AI model, we use imagerecognition and will allow you
to grow with your own seeds.
And based on how your seeds aregrowing and adapting, the
device will change itsconditions such as temperature,
humidity, light wavelengths, thewatering cycles.
and change based on how yourplants are growing.
(23:37):
So that's a very, very excitingfuture that we're launching.
And we're also now expanding tothe Middle East at the end of
the year and getting involvedwith some vertical farming
projects that we're very excitedto announce later in 2026.
That's great.
And
Steven (23:51):
I'm looking forward to growing this beautiful working
relationship with you guys.
I would love to continue to seeyou grow and stay connected.
And as we wrap this up, how dopeople find Plantaform?
Where can they find you?
How do they stay connected?
Alberto (24:06):
I mean, you can follow us on any of our socials, which
is our handle is Plantaform.
You can find us directly atplantaform.com.
There's a few retailers thatcarry our product as well.
And if you're in the U.S., Ourwebsite on Amazon.com is
available across Canada.
There's a lot of retailers onAmazon.ca and, of course, our
website directly.
Steven (24:26):
And let's talk about, you know, someone looking to
purchase one of the smart indoorgardens.
Give us a little bit of infoabout that, how much it costs,
shipping, all of that goodstuff.
So for
Alberto (24:37):
our American friends, we've made it a little bit
cheaper for the American market.
We sell the product at $4.99US, and that includes the
device.
It includes your first potpack, includes the windows, the
nutrients, includes absolutelyeverything to get it started.
The shipping is all included aswell, so you don't have to
worry about that.
But you better hurry.
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We sold out our entire USinventory in the first week and
a half.
We had to restock it.
We sold out from that oneagain.
So it's been very exciting.
And very great to get thesupport from the American
market.
But yeah, at $4.99, you get theentire garden ready for you.
Steven (25:13):
That's incredible.
That is incredible.
Anything else that you wantedto add maybe we didn't get to
touch on?
The floor is yours.
Alberto (25:21):
You know what, for whoever's hearing this, if
you've got a garden or you'vegot a farm that you're growing
your own food, this product'snot for you.
But if you're not and you don'thave that farm and you don't
have a garden and you're lookingto grow the freshest produce
year round and be able tocontribute to creating a greener
future, then I think we'vecreated the perfect product for
you.
Greens are the push of abutton.
It is organic.
(25:41):
And we strongly believe, basedon this award, that we probably
created one of the best indoorgardens in the world.
Steven (25:48):
That's so great to hear, Alberto.
Thanks again for jumping on,talking a little bit about Plan
to Form, the smart indoorgarden.
I'm really looking forward toseeing where your company and
your product goes in the future.
Thanks
Alberto (26:00):
so much, Stephen.
Really appreciate it.
Steven (26:01):
Thank you, Alberto.
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On this episode, we sit downwith Alberto Aguilar, the CEO
and co-founder of Plantaform, todiscuss their smart indoor
gardens that leverage the latesttechnology to bring the beauty
of gardening inside your home.
Thank you so much for joiningus.
I just want to welcome you tothe show.
(00:43):
Thanks for having me on theshow.
I've been super excited aboutthis.
Yeah, likewise, becausePlantaform is really exciting.
I'm not sure if we got toconnect at CES, but this is kind
of how we discoveredPlantaform.
And we just want to get thingsstarted about your story.
What is the story behindPlantaform?
What inspired its creation?
(01:03):
And how did that vision for thecompany come to
Alberto (01:05):
life?
So initially, actually, itcomes a lot from my past when I
was a kid.
And I grew up in Spain where wegrew all of our food and
vegetables.
We're almost fullyself-sustaining for over 10
years.
And then when I came to Canada,that came to an end.
Obviously, with the harshwinters, living in a small
apartment, it was impossible tocontinue that habit and that joy
of gardening.
(01:26):
At the end of 2019, one of myold friends from high school
reached out to me talking aboutthis idea about growing food
indoors, which I was veryfascinated about.
And then he talked about thefact that, you know, NASA was
trying to grow plants in spaceusing this very cool technology
called fogponics.
And so, you know, I've been inentrepreneurship for a couple of
(01:46):
years before that and had otherstartups.
And I thought, you know what,that's very cool.
Why don't we try to get intothis together?
And so, you know, Kiwa, me andour third co-founder, George,
decided to get into it and builda better solution to be able to
empower people to grow theirown food at home.
And with the news of COVID juststarting up, it actually
presented a huge opportunitythat we thought, you know what,
I think this is our chance.
(02:06):
chance to actually get outthere and try to solve this big
problem.
So that really was the birthbehind Plantaform.
Steven (02:13):
Now, that's amazing.
And just hearing about yourbackground in Spain, what kind
of inspired this all, it'sreally interesting how all of
that takes shape.
Now, learning about that, whatis the core mission of
Plantaform and how does itinspire your team's work every
day throughout the years?
Alberto (02:29):
Well, as an agri-tech company where we're building
machines to grow food, reallyour biggest mission is to
contribute to feeding the worldof the future.
With the higher demand ofincreasing food supplies and
essentially bringing healthierproduce and making it more
accessible, we're as well in amission to be able to empower as
many people to be able to growtheir own food at home.
And that's really what hasbrought this team as well,
(02:49):
right?
Everyone in the team that hasjoined has that same sort of
like moral compass andcommitment wanting to contribute
to this mission.
So there's that mutualinterest, that mutual passion.
And it really is what got ustogether and why we've built
such a strong team.
No, that's great.
And
Steven (03:05):
what brings you on this show is the Smart Indoor Garden.
And that's what we're going tojump into in a little bit.
We're going to kind of teasethat just a tiny bit.
I want to know, you know, justabout you and how you started
this company.
Were there any innovators,leaders, or even companies that
kind of inspired the way youapproach your work every day and
(03:27):
even dating back all the wayfrom the founding of Plantaform.
Alberto (03:30):
There's many.
I mean, I've always said I'vebeen a multiple co-founder in
the past.
And I've always looked up tomany big companies like, of
course, Tesla, SpaceX.
A lot of these hard workcompanies are building the
craziest things in the world andpushing the boundaries of
innovation.
With Plantiform, well, weactually started in a very rough
spot, right?
COVID just began, borders shutdown.
(03:51):
The whole world was a whole,like it was an absolute mess.
And here we are, you know, afew entrepreneurs getting
together, going to hardware,agritech and software when we've
just been used to buildingsoftware in the past companies.
So, you know, in terms ofinspiration, of course, I mean,
I think everything that ElonMusk, for example, has been able
(04:13):
to achieve or his brother interms of pushing innovations in
agri-tech really is what pushesand gave us the inspiration to
leverage COVID, right?
And that pause of the worldphase to go all deep into this
and figure this out.
As I said, we don't come from avery STEM background per se,
but we were able to connect witha lot of researchers,
(04:34):
scientists, professors aroundthe world who had some basic
knowledge on fogponics andaeroponics.
And so we just kept gatheringinformation and prototypes and
testing and kind of likethrowing some things into the
wall until something wouldstick.
So yeah, I mean, it was just alot of trial and error, a lot of
persistency, a tiny bit of, howwould you say?
(04:54):
I don't know.
I think it's just theignorance, the ignorance of
believing that we can actuallypull this off.
So that hard headache that wehad got us to this point.
Steven (05:05):
It's funny how those things work, you know, and just
comparing yourself to some ofthese big companies, the
different backstory that youhave from it.
Does that make it a little morespecial, you know, getting
together with some friends andseeing where you've come over
the years, especially jumpingover that, you know, hump of
COVID and getting to where youare today?
Does that just make things alittle more special?
Alberto (05:26):
Oh my God, absolutely.
I keep telling everyone thatlike what we've done, I mean,
hardware is hard by itself, butbeing able to combine hardware,
agri-tech Like, you know, tryingto pioneer in this new
technology that there's such alittle amount of literature out
there.
Going into manufacturing whensupply chains are so uncertain,
it feels like everything wasjust against us from the
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beginning, but it just feels sogood and so special to like have
it brought it all to life andexpanding so quickly.
And, you know, that vision thatwe had from day one hasn't
changed and it became a reality.
So everything about thisjourney from the people we've
worked with, like theachievements that we've been
able to get to now being at CESand winning, you know, this
year's best Innovation Award.
It's just, there's no words todescribe how special this
(06:09):
journey has been and we justkeep getting so excited from
where we're heading towards.
Steven (06:12):
Yeah.
And let's just jump right toit.
You know, going through all ofthose years where you guys
started, everything that youwent through finally brought you
to the Smart Indoor Garden.
We'll get to that innovationaward here in a little bit.
But what inspired that, youknow, Smart Indoor Garden and
how does it work?
What is it?
Give the people what they want.
Alberto (06:32):
Well, it all started with how do we allow or empower
people to grow fresh food athome and make that the simplest
way possible, right?
If everyone could grow theirown food at home and have a
garden, then that would be themain solution for the world.
But most people don't have thetime, space or knowledge to be
able to grow that food.
And so we got inspired byNespresso because brewing
coffees like Nespresso does,they always come up perfect.
(06:53):
It's super simple and it's apush of a button.
Well, Through that inspiration,we were able to create what we
call or dub the Nespresso ofgardening, where we offer these
capsules, right, where there'sno soil in them.
The seeds are already in it.
They're organically sourced.
And it works with three simplesteps.
You put the cup, you add somewater, and at the push of a
button, instead of brewingcoffee, it will brew your
(07:15):
vegetables.
So really, it's that.
It's the simplicity of howNespresso brews the perfect cup
of coffee.
Well, we wanted to bring thesimplicity of how to grow fresh
food at home.
Steven (07:26):
And just talking about that, you're talking about kind
of like a self-sustainability,growing your own food.
What are some other of thosemajor benefits from something
like the smart indoor garden?
Alberto (07:37):
Well, there's many of them.
It starts with the freshness ofthe food, right?
Even things that are labeled asorganic in the supermarkets,
they lose 40 to 60% of itsnutrient value due to
transportation.
And they're still sprayed withpesticides, right?
They're organic, but they aresprayed with pesticides.
And so number one is you'reactually providing a farm to
table solution that you knowexactly what you're eating
(07:58):
because you're the one growingit.
Number two, the mental healthaspect to it.
There's so many benefits thatwe're bringing nature indoors.
Here in Canada, especially whenwinters are very, long, very
dark and very cold, it can getsomewhat depressing, right?
And bringing that natureindoors, the brightness, the
life, we get so much feedbackfrom our customers and even our
(08:21):
B2B customers like retirementhomes, schools, just enjoying
the fact that they can growfresh tomatoes indoors in the
middle of a winter storm inDecember.
We're happy the fact that wecan bring that to people and
provide that connection againwith nature.
So it's both the actual...
physical health, being able toeat something healthy and
organic, and at the same time,the mental health that that
(08:42):
brings to you.
Steven (08:43):
Absolutely.
You kind of took the wordsright out of my mouth, talking
about those harsh winters,especially up in Canada.
And again, just going to thatpoint, where is Plantiform
based?
We didn't really
Alberto (08:54):
touch on that.
We're based in the capitalregion of Canada, actually right
here in Gatineau in the Quebecborder.
And the entire team is basedhere.
Our assembly actually is basedhere as well.
And our manufacturing injectionmolding is based out of
Montreal.
So we're fully, fully made inCanada product.
Steven (09:08):
That's great.
And again, those harsh winters,you know, it gets cold up
there.
But, you know, we're here inPittsburgh and some of the
states gets those harsh wintersas well.
Just talking about thosebenefits and talking about the
space.
Some people just don't havethat gardening space.
So this just provides anotheroutlet for those people, right?
Alberto (09:26):
Exactly.
We wanted to create somethingcompact.
And our indoor garden, which isaround 60 centimeters wide and
60 centimeters high, it'sequivalent to a 15 square foot
garden.
And that's just compressed intothis beautifully designed, we
call it a living piece offurniture.
So it kind of integrates niceinto your living room.
But it's very compact and itcan fit into any tiny apartment.
Steven (09:47):
And of course, it's very nature focused.
Bringing nature indoors issomething that has really grown
over the years.
And just talk With it being sonature-focused, how does the
company use nature as a form ofinspiration to keep
Alberto (10:03):
on going?
Well, it's all about how we canbring more nature indoors.
The design itself is veryergonomic, right?
We want to create somethingdifferent from what you get in
the market.
All of our projects are alwaysbased on how do we bring more
greenery indoors.
Besides from indoor gardens,we've been in projects regarding
building horticulture rooms.
Now we're getting involved morein the vertical farming
(10:23):
industry.
But it's all about the nature.
It's all about how do we changethese concrete jungles that we
live in into real greenerjungles, right?
So we're trying to create thatbond in between or that bridge
in between that.
So what
Steven (10:38):
are some of the things that you talked a little bit
about food, of course, someplants.
Just give me an example and alittle bit of a list of what
people can expect if they get asmart indoor garden.
What can they grow?
What does that look like?
Alberto (10:50):
Well, pretty much a lot of the things you can find in a
supermarket, all the kind ofherbs you can find there, you
can grow them in the device.
Lots of leafy greens fromlettuces, spinach, even bok
choy, Swiss chard, complex leafygreens like that.
They're more rare to find.
to like cherry tomatoes.
We have customers growing evenwith chili peppers, habaneros.
And there's just so manypossibilities that you can grow
(11:11):
outside from what we offeralready.
And we're just continuouslylaunching new pot packs every
season.
And how
Steven (11:16):
long is that process?
Is it about the same amount oftime if you were to start your
own garden outdoors?
Alberto (11:23):
Significantly faster.
The average height of lettucein a garden might take up to two
months, right?
Until it hits maturity.
Because of the uniquetechnology that we're using, you
can actually see harvest asfast as four weeks from the day
that you plant the seed.
So very, very quickly andliterally with absolutely no
maintenance.
Steven (11:40):
That's actually really encouraging to hear because that
might perk people's ears upbecause some people, like you
said before, just don't havethat time to focus on their
garden.
We all live such busy lives.
So that's definitely one ofthose major benefits that you
were talking about earlier.
Alberto (11:55):
Absolutely.
It's all about time savings andmaking this as simple as
possible for the user.
Steven (12:00):
Yeah, and let's talk about that technology that goes
in into being capable of growingall of these products in your
home, all of these leafy greens,plants, food.
What is that technology?
You mentioned it a little bitbefore, but I would really love
to get into how that technologyworks.
Alberto (12:18):
It is the thing that we brag the most about at
Plantaform, because it's ourcore values, our core focus, and
the one thing that we've beenworking the longest until today.
And that technology is calledfogponics.
I'm sure you've heard ofhydroponics.
I'm sure you've heard ofaeroponics.
Well, fogponics Rock ponics isjust a little bit more of an
advanced subset of aeroponics,which was initially studied and
(12:40):
developed by NASA to be able togrow plants in their space
stations.
This research that NASA wasdoing was abandoned just over a
decade ago.
And we came across it in late2018.
And pretty much what talkedabout, and again, Note that
there's a very little amount ofliterature online about this
technology, but it stated that,you know, NASA was using this
(13:00):
tech to be able to grow plantsusing this fog that was
delivered to the roots.
And this fog would carrynutrients.
It would provide greater accessto oxygen to the roots,
essentially resulting in theplant growing significantly
faster.
So increased yields andutilizes 50% less water than
hydroponics.
So of course, in a place likespace where water is scarce and
it's all about growth andaccelerated growth, this
(13:22):
technology made absolute sense.
So when we came across thearticle, we were like, well, why
are they not using that here?
I mean, vertical farms couldbenefit from this.
People could have this NASAtechnology into their homes.
And so this is what makes thistechnology so worth it and why
we kept throwing things at thewall until we could prove that
this technology would actuallygrow plants efficiently.
But yeah, it's the most waterefficient technology in the
(13:44):
world and could confirm that'salso the fastest plant growing
tech out there.
Absolutely.
Steven (13:49):
Just talking about how significantly faster it is to
grow these food really standsout to someone that's probably
listening to this or isinterested in your product.
And just talking about the useof the water, how does
Plantiform incorporatesustainability or those ethical
considerations into yourproducts and your technology
developments?
Alberto (14:10):
Well, number one, we actually quantify the amount of
units that are being used in themarket.
Therefore, how much water we'reactually able to save.
You know, over 50% of thenatural freshwater reserves in
the world are used inagriculture.
And by use, I mean wastedbecause they're not properly
been efficiently used.
So we're trying to conserve asmuch water wasted in freshness
with this technology.
And number two, the yields,right?
(14:31):
If within a 12-month harvestingseason, we can increase by one
more harvest, then we'recontributing to actually
increasing the amount of producethey can grow.
And then number three, and oneof the reasons why we focus a
lot on bringing the farm to yourtable is to be able to reduce
the GHG emissions andessentially the food miles that
it takes for food to regularlyget to your table, which on
(14:52):
average, it takes 20 Taking allof that into
Steven (15:08):
consideration, how important is it to stay
sustainable in your
Alberto (15:13):
industry?
I think it's the only solution.
I mean, we're heading towards afuture where by 2050, we're
just not going to have enoughfood for people.
The global population isgrowing at such a rapid pace
that if you're not focusing onsustainability within the
agri-tech industry, and you'renot finding ways on how to
localize food even better andmaking it more accessible to
(15:33):
everyone, then you're alreadyrunning behind in the industry.
And so, of course, having avertical farm in your backyard
would prevent you from evergoing to a grocery store, but
that's also inaccessible to mostpeople.
So our contribution to beingable to create that future is
let's educate and contribute tobeing able to bring that farm to
people's table.
And then you will see howpeople will be more inclined to
buying more local.
(15:53):
And just talking about that andtalking
Steven (15:56):
about the technology, how does this make you stand out
in the industry?
Are you kind of a first to dipyour toes in this industry?
Kind of explain and walk methrough that.
Alberto (16:08):
I mean, there's a few pioneers in the world that are
testing with fogponics.
There's one in Germany thatwe've been working with, another
one in the UK, one in Panama.
But not that many people havebeen able to successfully
control this tech or understandthe limitations of it.
But in terms of where we stand,we're not the leaders in the
world in terms of agritech.
I can admit that we're notgoing to be the ones solving
(16:31):
food hunger.
But we are the ones who areleading in this fascinating
technology, which we are aimingfor other industries or other
vertical farmers to adopt in thenear future.
We're pretty much a puzzlepiece on this entire picture
where we could create aperfectly sustainable future.
You know, that puzzle piecelike the other ones are, they're
super important to fit.
And we're playing our part tobe able to create a better
(16:52):
irrigation system with thistechnology.
And, you know, hopefully thenew standards, right, which have
been hydroponics for the lastcouple of centuries, switches
over to now becoming fogponics.
You know, we'll be able torelease a lot more water,
obviously increase yields,increase profitability.
So we're doing our part andwe're very proud to be here and
to be able to now create animpact in this industry in the
(17:13):
near future as well.
Yeah, it's
Steven (17:15):
obvious that you have sustainability at the forefront
of your mind with your product,with your company.
Let's look at the productionprocess.
What does that look like?
Is sustainability still on yourmind throughout the production
process as well?
Alberto (17:30):
Absolutely.
I mean, part of localizing isto be able to reduce
transportation, right?
So manufacturing in Canadaallows us to localize
everything, sourcing thematerials locally.
We do the injection molding inMontreal.
All the plastics then arebrought to our facility in
Gatineau, which is just twohours away.
And then here we assemble allthe products together and then
we ship them directly from thewarehouse to all of our clients.
(17:51):
Same with the plant pots.
The plant pots are made here inCanada as well.
The seeds are organicallysourced locally within Canada
and the US.
So imagine just all the vesselsthat we're avoiding, right,
from manufacturing everywherearound the world, but to be able
to localize this here.
And as we are expanding nowglobally, we're also looking to
open different manufacturingfacilities around the world to
(18:12):
localize the demand from thoseregions.
So, you know, it's a complexprocess from the injection
molding to assembling ofelectronics.
We even go through a 24-hourquality control testing period
before the devices are packagedand shipped to our customers.
So there's a lot of care,there's a lot of quality and
precision in terms of every unitthat goes to the market.
And that's because we need todeliver the outmost perfect
(18:34):
product to people, right?
If something goes to you andthere's an issue and it's
shipped back, well, it goesagainst our GHG reduction of
transportation.
So we make sure that everythingis perfect before it comes out
and it stays here in North
Steven (18:45):
America.
That's really encouraging tohear and just hearing about that
production process all the wayup to your product.
It earned you a Best InnovationAward at CES 2025, a huge
accomplishment.
What does it mean to get thatrecognition for Plantaform and
how will it shape those futuregoals that you may have set?
Alberto (19:05):
You know, when you got friends and family that always
just say how proud they are ofyou because of what you're
doing.
Well, it's that times a hundredbecause it's the validation
that we're looking for.
It's that sign that what we'redoing for is right.
And it actually, peopleresonate to it.
And it seems like people areadopting it as well, right?
So for us, it's beyond ourexpectations.
Our first CES, we came here topresent our latest updated
(19:28):
product and winning this award.
Well, it blew our minds offbecause it just validated that
what we're doing is the world'sbest and one of the world's best
innovation awards of the year.
And so we have that validationand now we just need to keep
pushing forward.
And the demand and traffic thatthis has created has been
overwhelming.
And we're looking at so manynew opportunities into helping
the vertical farming industry,collaborating with researchers.
(19:50):
And I think the world is nowattentive on what we're doing
and attentive on Fogponics.
And I think that what we'vebeen trying to do is coming to a
reality thanks to this
Steven (19:59):
award.
And how do you ensure that planof form remains at the
forefront of innovation?
Because I'm sure that's not theend goal, getting that
innovation award at CES.
So how do you make sure you'restaying at the forefront of
innovation as this industrycontinues to grow and evolve?
Alberto (20:17):
Well, we have a robust R&D team in-house, and we also
work in collaboration with theCanadian government.
It's the Canadian NationalResearch Council.
So we're continuouslydeveloping this technology,
always testing new applications.
always filing new patents.
And we're also doinginternational collaborations
with other research institutionsto be able to come up with new
(20:37):
challenges.
As I mentioned in thebeginning, the reason why a lot
of people are not successfullytesting with FogPonics is
because they do not understandthe limitations of the
technology.
And so if you do not understandthe limitations, how can you
know that you're maximizing thepotential of this tech?
And so that's what we'recontinuously doing every single
day is pushing that boundary,pushing the limitation and
finding new applications forthis tech.
And that's how we plan to keepbeing the forefront of Fog And
(21:01):
you just talked
Steven (21:02):
a little bit about some of the challenges that come in
this industry.
How do you overcome those withinnovation?
Alberto (21:30):
Research Council.
So leveraging a lot of thescientists and researchers from
the government of Canada is thereason why we're here today.
That's great.
Steven (21:37):
That's great.
As we wrap this up, hearing allabout Plantform, all about the
Smart Indoor Garden, let's talkabout your team.
Obviously, you know, you talkeda little bit about the
co-founders and everything.
Let's talk about the group as awhole.
How do you continue to fostercreativity and innovation with
your team?
Alberto (21:55):
You know, it's a startup and startups are...
The absolute opposite fromanything corporate.
It's always a roller coaster.
It's always up and down.
But we always try to fosterthat teamwork mindset and always
start our meetings withunderstanding what's our
northern star, what is thecompany's core values, and
what's our mission.
And by repeating thatcontinuously and aligning our
(22:15):
quarterly goals and yearlygoals, it kind of keeps everyone
tight and aligned.
And there's always that...
You know, reassurance thatevery department is pushing to
their best because it'sintentional.
And everyone that comes atPlantaform and works with
Plantaform always has anintentional motivation to keep
pushing things forward.
So, you know, I definitelywould not be where we are today
(22:36):
without the amazing team thathas created Plantaform.
Steven (22:39):
No, that is really great.
And where do you see Plantiformgoing in the future?
What's next for your company?
What's next for the smartindoor garden?
Is there any upcoming projectsthat you're working on that you
wanted to talk about?
Well, we're
Alberto (22:53):
working on an AI model that will actually allow people
to go with their own seeds.
We're planning to launch thattowards the end of the year.
And it's very cool because,again, we offer the plant pods,
which they are pre-tested andeverything, so that you know you
will get the perfect results atall times.
But there's also a group ofpeople that like to test with
their own seeds, right?
They want to grow their owngarden.
They want to be fullyindependent.
And so we are making thatpossible for them.
(23:16):
Unlike all the othercompetitors that, you know, are
forcing clients to buy fromthem, we actually want to give
you that freedom as well.
So this AI model, we use imagerecognition and will allow you
to grow with your own seeds.
And based on how your seeds aregrowing and adapting, the
device will change itsconditions such as temperature,
humidity, light wavelengths, thewatering cycles.
and change based on how yourplants are growing.
(23:37):
So that's a very, very excitingfuture that we're launching.
And we're also now expanding tothe Middle East at the end of
the year and getting involvedwith some vertical farming
projects that we're very excitedto announce later in 2026.
That's great.
And
Steven (23:51):
I'm looking forward to growing this beautiful working
relationship with you guys.
I would love to continue to seeyou grow and stay connected.
And as we wrap this up, how dopeople find Plantaform?
Where can they find you?
How do they stay connected?
Alberto (24:06):
I mean, you can follow us on any of our socials, which
is our handle is Plantaform.
You can find us directly atplantaform.com.
There's a few retailers thatcarry our product as well.
And if you're in the U.S., Ourwebsite on Amazon.com is
available across Canada.
There's a lot of retailers onAmazon.ca and, of course, our
website directly.
Steven (24:26):
And let's talk about, you know, someone looking to
purchase one of the smart indoorgardens.
Give us a little bit of infoabout that, how much it costs,
shipping, all of that goodstuff.
So for
Alberto (24:37):
our American friends, we've made it a little bit
cheaper for the American market.
We sell the product at $4.99US, and that includes the
device.
It includes your first potpack, includes the windows, the
nutrients, includes absolutelyeverything to get it started.
The shipping is all included aswell, so you don't have to
worry about that.
But you better hurry.
(24:57):
We sold out our entire USinventory in the first week and
a half.
We had to restock it.
We sold out from that oneagain.
So it's been very exciting.
And very great to get thesupport from the American
market.
But yeah, at $4.99, you get theentire garden ready for you.
Steven (25:13):
That's incredible.
That is incredible.
Anything else that you wantedto add maybe we didn't get to
touch on?
The floor is yours.
Alberto (25:21):
You know what, for whoever's hearing this, if
you've got a garden or you'vegot a farm that you're growing
your own food, this product'snot for you.
But if you're not and you don'thave that farm and you don't
have a garden and you're lookingto grow the freshest produce
year round and be able tocontribute to creating a greener
future, then I think we'vecreated the perfect product for
you.
Greens are the push of abutton.
It is organic.
(25:41):
And we strongly believe, basedon this award, that we probably
created one of the best indoorgardens in the world.
Steven (25:48):
That's so great to hear, Alberto.
Thanks again for jumping on,talking a little bit about Plan
to Form, the smart indoorgarden.
I'm really looking forward toseeing where your company and
your product goes in the future.
Thanks
Alberto (26:00):
so much, Stephen.
Really appreciate it.
Steven (26:01):
Thank you, Alberto.
Thanks for listening to thisepisode of the Four Worlds
Podcast.
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