December 12, 2024 • 12 mins
In the second part of the series featuring former California Governor Pete Wilson, this episode of "The Fourscore Project" delves into the essential values that have guided Wilson throughout his career in public service. Roger Clark and Governor Wilson discuss the critical role of honesty in politics, the decision-making process in leadership, and the significance of surrounding oneself with trusted advisors. Wilson reflects on lessons learned from his father and his approach to debates, including his insistence on a format where candidates directly question each other—a practice he argues leads to more honest and revealing exchanges. The conversation also touches on the changing nature of the media, its impact on political discourse, and the challenges of fostering unity in a divided nation.
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(00:21):
Welcome to this episode of the Four Score
and seven Project, a productionof the New Majority Foundation.
My name is Roger Clark, your host.
This is parttwo of our Governor Pete Wilson series,
a wide ranging and intimate conversationwith the former California governor.
That exploresa wide range of subjects and issues
that are both topicaland timely to California and the nation.
(00:44):
Pete Wilson was the 36th governorof California from 1991 to 1999,
a United States Senator from California,from 1983 to 1991,
and the 29th mayor of San Diegofrom 1971 to 1983.
He is a United States Marineserving on active duty from 1955 to 1958.
A graduate of the UC BerkeleySchool of Law and Yale University.
(01:07):
Governor Wilson, through his lifeand lifetime of public service,
has given us a powerful example
of what it means to be a leaderfor all the American people.
A true American patriot.
A man who can teach and instruct us todayon the principles of statesmanship
that all current leaders, both in thepolitical and business world, should heed.
In our second episode of the series,Governor Wilson reflects on the importance
(01:30):
of honesty in politics and government,political debates, the media
and the lessons of leadershiphe learned from his father.
I think I've been a very lucky man,
but I've also lived up to certainstandards.
My dad was a very strong influence on me.
Never let me get away with anything.
(01:52):
Let's talk about your dadfor a few minutes.
What are some of the important valuesthat you took away from your dad?
Well, one of them wasif you have a tough decision to make,
get all the information that you need
to make an intelligent decision.
And he said, and then make it.
He said, don't agonize endlessly.
(02:14):
You know,when you've got enough information,
when you do, don't temporize, make it.
It's been very good advice.
And I've seen a lot of other people
who did temporize, did agonize visibly,and it showed and found
that it produced less than confidenceon the part of the people
(02:36):
who were waiting for the decision in.
The political world,
which has a lot of moving parts to it.
Can you describe the processto acquire the information
that say a governor needs to acquireor a president needs to acquire
and then move forwardwith that temporizing?
(02:57):
Because there are just so manypotential obstacles to a governor
moving forward with with a policythat the governor wants to implement.
Any thoughts on that?
Yes, my own experience was to getthe best people that I possibly could
as staff and entrust them
with a certain amount of authority
(03:17):
and said,if you're in doubt, come to me and tell me
and we will work out what it isthat we need to know that we don't.
One of the nicest thingsis the willingness of people whom you know
are well-informed, who have greatknowledge and great judgment.
You can get advice from extraordinarily
(03:40):
gifted and experienced people.
I have had benefit of thatthrough my entire career as president.
You definitely need that.
That's why the president has a cabinet.
He has people with expertiseand with experience or he or she should
(04:01):
because nobody can know it all.
And you need to make decisions promptlyand wisely.
It's an office.
That office is perhaps the ultimate
in being both accessible
and also being able to ask people
(04:23):
you respect and value
for good advice because you need it.
Nobody knows everything and far from it.
You have to be honest with people.
You have to tell them what you think.
You have to ask them what they think.
And you've got to be ableto trust the people in whom you propose.
(04:44):
Heavy responsibilities.
There's a wonderful scene for the fromthis movie called
Darkest Hour about Winston Churchill.
Maybe you've seen it, but. Have.
Twice. Same with me.
Under tremendous pressurefrom his political counsel
or his war counsel to negotiate.
And I love that scene where he gets outof his cab and goes into the underground.
(05:06):
You don't know either. He'snever been in there in his whole life.
That's right.
But he's a fiction. But it was.
Fiction. Credible.
But he's asking the people,what do you think?
So he's getting that in the at least inthe movie, talking directly to the people.
When you're a governor or a president,most of us
see this as being so involvedand so many layers
(05:29):
that it's really peoplethat you're responsible for.
You're dealing with that.
How difficult is it to have direct contactwith the common man and woman
as opposed to
hearing about the common man and womanthrough the latest Gallup poll or,
you know, whatever the media reportsand how difficult it is to get the sense
of what people are really thinking on a1 to 1 basis when you're a governor.
(05:51):
Well, it's sometimes it's very easy,
typically withpeople that don't want to support you.
No, actually, I think you've got to bethat I learned as a child.
You can't be credibleif you are not honest.
I had wonderful
(06:11):
advice in service from my first personallegal counsel as governor.
Janice Rogers Brown was a deputy
attorney general counselfor India Mutual friend and admirer,
said to me, he said, Have you decided
who is your personal legal counselgoing to be?
(06:32):
And I said, No,but it's the very next thing on the list.
And he said, Talk to Janice Rogers Brown.
She's great.
She is a terrific lawyerand she will not tell you.
But she just won an enormous victoryfor the state.
And she is totally honest
and she will be looking out for you.
(06:54):
Well, that happened early on.
There was an appeal,a clemency appeal sought by a man
who had been a leader in
his community, was greatly respected.
And he was one of two peopleto experts in on foreign policy
(07:14):
who agreed that he would be happy, thoughhe was a Democrat.
He would be very happy to sit downwith the other guy and
and prepare me for a debatethat I was going to have with Jerry Brown,
because it was when I was runningfor Senate against Jerry,
I made the commentthat and I we'd insisted
(07:36):
I had insisted on the formatfor the debate.
I said the first debate has to be
on national security and foreign policy.
I thought he'll probably leap at it.
Here he is, twice the unsuccessful,but nevertheless twice
candidate for president.
So and he'll think, well, here'sthis poor little mayor
(08:00):
worrying about thingslike charcoals and garbage pick up and
pretty plebeian concerns.
So I figured he will leap at itand he did.
So we also insisted on certain rules.
One was thatrather than answering questions
from a panel of reporters,we'd ask each other questions.
(08:24):
I insisted on that.
And what happened was that
I must admitI had by chance, a little intelligence.
I found out that the make up manwho was making me up
had just come from making up Jerry Brown.
Well, he said, Are you all alonehere, sir?
(08:45):
And I said, Yes, I am.
And he said, Wow, what a difference.
And I said, From what?
Well, I was just making up Governor Brown.
And he has been overrun with peoplerunning in and out,
shouting at one another and raising hell,and you're all by yourself.
I said, Yeah.
(09:05):
I said,I told the others. I said, Listen, enough.
Go get a coach.
He said, Well, you seem very calm.
I said, You and I are the only ones here.
He said, Okay, well, let's get to it.
I said, Let's do.
When we came down,there was a flip of the coin.
He won it, and that gave him the rightto ask the first question.
(09:27):
In the two weeks before that, whenI had been with my two advisers, coaches.
I said, I think Jerry will assumethat he is far better prepared.
So I bet that he will ask a question
about Africa and another about Asia.
They'll probably be half a dozenfor each country.
(09:50):
And the questions have to be reasonable.
They have to have made some news
because otherwise,if he ask questions that are so obscure,
the people are going to say, well,who knows and who cares?
It worked.
The very first question, he came out
and he did have notes, knocked them over,and I went over to help and pick them up.
(10:14):
And then
he asked a question and the question was,
you're running to be a United Statessenator.
It may well be that the presidentof the United States will ask you
your advice on what our position
should be with respect to Namibia.
(10:35):
The asking of the questionand the timing of the answer
all were time you had to do itwithin a certain period of time.
I deliberately wait,let a couple of seconds go by
and this audience of about 500 at the SanFrancisco Hilton just as quiet
as a mouth, you wouldn't think I thoughtthere was anyone else in the room.
(10:57):
And then I rattled off the schoolsolution.
Then Walters, who was a reporter
covering this, later said,
You've never seen the blood flush
from anyone's faceas fast as it did from Jerry Brown
and some
woman sitting at the centerfeel let go away.
(11:20):
Yahoo!
The form of the debate
that you insisted uponcandidates is questioning each other.
It makes you wonder why that hasn't become
the standard form of debatein most elections.
And part of us thinks that journalistssitting asking
(11:41):
these questionsshould have unbiased questions.
But we all sense a bias and attitude
in questions,particularly in the last couple
of election cyclescoming from the journalist.
But you expect your opponent be lying inwait for you and to throw you a curveball.
QUESTIONSo in that sense, it's more honest.
Do you think that's a better formfor presidential debates?
(12:02):
Let the presidential candidates go at.
It probably never happen.
What do you what do you think?
If you have sufficient confidence
and think that you have the ability
which you have almost inany case, I'd say.
But that's a very good question.
I obviously thought it was a good formatand that's why I insisted on it.
(12:23):
I would think that a lot of people will be
reluctant, reluctantthat they will make some fatal mistake.
Interesting.
Some people will saythis is a partizan comment.
But I've got to say,in this last election,
Joe Biden was in the basement.
The campaign was not covered by
(12:46):
the predominantly liberal mediawith a few exceptions.
They thought if he's not exposed, he'snot in danger.
And I think there are a lotof contradictions in his history
that gave rise to that concernon the part of his backers.
Interesting the form of debatethat you insisted upon.
(13:07):
I was wonderinghow much you were influenced
by the hair goingway back to the Lincoln-Douglas debates,
because that almostsounds like a Lincoln and Douglas debate.
As I recall,
they went back and forth with each otherthe same in the very same fashion. Yep.
It was accepted and there needed to bea rule of time limit.
Right.
Which they probably didn't have timelimits in those days.
(13:29):
That thing went on for hours.
Major entertainment.
There was no television or streamingservices, anything of that nature.
That's right. Lincolnand the little giant.
Well.
Let me ask you.
Peculiar challenges of leadership today.
Most of us, whether you're left or right,
would really wanting some consensus,
(13:49):
you know, healing,bringing the parties, people together.
But yet what we hear are so often divisivecomments that seems to drive us apart.
Maybe we can talk a little bitabout the media as well.
What's changed with the mediais because many of us will remember
Walter Cronkite, Huntley and Brinkley,and and we all know
that they would have been membersprobably of a certain political party.
(14:13):
They sure probably had certainpolitical biases,
probably Johnny Carsonhad political biases.
But no one could ever tell youwhat they were.
That's right.
And now whenever we go to the media,it takes about 30 seconds to find out
what that particular commentatorsor journalists bias is.
I guess I'm kind of a long way of askingfrom the standpoint of of a of a leader.
(14:36):
Well,let's say the people are running for,
you know, for the White Housethis coming cycle.
We hear a lot of promises
about bringing people togetherand so forth, but yet it seems that
then we hear the opposite comments laterthat is castigating one side or the other.
The other saying must be bad,they must be evil and that kind of thing,
which of course doesn't do
anything, does not helpwith healing or a consensus at all.
(14:59):
And I guess my question is, the changein the media, is this being driven?
If you agree with that observation,is it being driven
by the media trying to maintain viewership
or get these soundbites,or is it being driven by something else?
It's driven by ratings.
The people who are with Fox Network
(15:21):
tend to be conservatives.
Right.
The people who are on the other major
networks very much on the other side.
And I think everyone would concedethat a lot of people who are registered
Democrats, particularlyif they're, let's say, 50 and up,
find the woke Democratic Party of today,
(15:43):
the segment that is woke.
They find it a little hard to swallow.
It is very much a matter of what
a lot of strategiststhink they can get away with.
And some make terrible mistakes.
Right. And others
who don't have much to apologizefor except their policy positions.
(16:06):
I mean, as opposed to personal problems.
I think that the articulate people
and I'll give youa couple of the presidential examples.
One was the debate between Ronald Reagan
and Jimmy Carter, Jimmy Carter and Reagan
were virtually tieda month out from the election,
(16:29):
very close in a debate.
Ronald Reagan documented it after askinga lot of rhetorical questions.
He said to the audience inhis summation, Ask yourself,
are you
betteroff today than you were four years ago?
And they just paused.
(16:49):
That was a killer question
because people were thinkingabout what had happened to them.
Has my mortgage gone up?
Has my job been put in jeopardy?
Tough questions.
And they were particularlytough with Jimmy Carter.
And he didn't project much confidence.
(17:12):
I mean, he looked uncomfortable.
And I think that a format is important.
If you think that you are well enoughschooled
both in your own backgroundand justification for the policies
that you have taken and thinkthat you know enough about your opponent.
(17:33):
Then that policy
sort of a truncated Lincoln-Douglas debate
not 4 hours long, but within the timelimits is a good way to go.
One that's projecting confidence.
You better have thecut. That's better. But just
thank you for joiningus for this fascinating and informative
discussion with former CaliforniaGovernor Pete Wilson.
(17:54):
My name is Roger Clark, your hostfor this episode of the Fourscore
and Seven Project, a productionof the New Majority Foundation.
Please share. Unlike us with your friends.
And be sure to join us for part threeof our conversation with Governor Wilson,
where we will explore his thoughts onwhat is ailing California.
The trouble with a one party state,the importance of education, public
(18:16):
employee unions, taxes, and the importanceof fiscal responsibility.
Welcome to this episode of the Four Score
and seven Project, a productionof the New Majority Foundation.
My name is Roger Clark, your host.
This is parttwo of our Governor Pete Wilson series,
a wide ranging and intimate conversationwith the former California governor.
That exploresa wide range of subjects and issues
that are both topicaland timely to California and the nation.
(00:44):
Pete Wilson was the 36th governorof California from 1991 to 1999,
a United States Senator from California,from 1983 to 1991,
and the 29th mayor of San Diegofrom 1971 to 1983.
He is a United States Marineserving on active duty from 1955 to 1958.
A graduate of the UC BerkeleySchool of Law and Yale University.
(01:07):
Governor Wilson, through his lifeand lifetime of public service,
has given us a powerful example
of what it means to be a leaderfor all the American people.
A true American patriot.
A man who can teach and instruct us todayon the principles of statesmanship
that all current leaders, both in thepolitical and business world, should heed.
In our second episode of the series,Governor Wilson reflects on the importance
(01:30):
of honesty in politics and government,political debates, the media
and the lessons of leadershiphe learned from his father.
I think I've been a very lucky man,
but I've also lived up to certainstandards.
My dad was a very strong influence on me.
Never let me get away with anything.
(01:52):
Let's talk about your dadfor a few minutes.
What are some of the important valuesthat you took away from your dad?
Well, one of them wasif you have a tough decision to make,
get all the information that you need
to make an intelligent decision.
And he said, and then make it.
He said, don't agonize endlessly.
(02:14):
You know,when you've got enough information,
when you do, don't temporize, make it.
It's been very good advice.
And I've seen a lot of other people
who did temporize, did agonize visibly,and it showed and found
that it produced less than confidenceon the part of the people
(02:36):
who were waiting for the decision in.
The political world,
which has a lot of moving parts to it.
Can you describe the processto acquire the information
that say a governor needs to acquireor a president needs to acquire
and then move forwardwith that temporizing?
(02:57):
Because there are just so manypotential obstacles to a governor
moving forward with with a policythat the governor wants to implement.
Any thoughts on that?
Yes, my own experience was to getthe best people that I possibly could
as staff and entrust them
with a certain amount of authority
(03:17):
and said,if you're in doubt, come to me and tell me
and we will work out what it isthat we need to know that we don't.
One of the nicest thingsis the willingness of people whom you know
are well-informed, who have greatknowledge and great judgment.
You can get advice from extraordinarily
(03:40):
gifted and experienced people.
I have had benefit of thatthrough my entire career as president.
You definitely need that.
That's why the president has a cabinet.
He has people with expertiseand with experience or he or she should
(04:01):
because nobody can know it all.
And you need to make decisions promptlyand wisely.
It's an office.
That office is perhaps the ultimate
in being both accessible
and also being able to ask people
(04:23):
you respect and value
for good advice because you need it.
Nobody knows everything and far from it.
You have to be honest with people.
You have to tell them what you think.
You have to ask them what they think.
And you've got to be ableto trust the people in whom you propose.
(04:44):
Heavy responsibilities.
There's a wonderful scene for the fromthis movie called
Darkest Hour about Winston Churchill.
Maybe you've seen it, but. Have.
Twice. Same with me.
Under tremendous pressurefrom his political counsel
or his war counsel to negotiate.
And I love that scene where he gets outof his cab and goes into the underground.
(05:06):
You don't know either. He'snever been in there in his whole life.
That's right.
But he's a fiction. But it was.
Fiction. Credible.
But he's asking the people,what do you think?
So he's getting that in the at least inthe movie, talking directly to the people.
When you're a governor or a president,most of us
see this as being so involvedand so many layers
(05:29):
that it's really peoplethat you're responsible for.
You're dealing with that.
How difficult is it to have direct contactwith the common man and woman
as opposed to
hearing about the common man and womanthrough the latest Gallup poll or,
you know, whatever the media reportsand how difficult it is to get the sense
of what people are really thinking on a1 to 1 basis when you're a governor.
(05:51):
Well, it's sometimes it's very easy,
typically withpeople that don't want to support you.
No, actually, I think you've got to bethat I learned as a child.
You can't be credibleif you are not honest.
I had wonderful
(06:11):
advice in service from my first personallegal counsel as governor.
Janice Rogers Brown was a deputy
attorney general counselfor India Mutual friend and admirer,
said to me, he said, Have you decided
who is your personal legal counselgoing to be?
(06:32):
And I said, No,but it's the very next thing on the list.
And he said, Talk to Janice Rogers Brown.
She's great.
She is a terrific lawyerand she will not tell you.
But she just won an enormous victoryfor the state.
And she is totally honest
and she will be looking out for you.
(06:54):
Well, that happened early on.
There was an appeal,a clemency appeal sought by a man
who had been a leader in
his community, was greatly respected.
And he was one of two peopleto experts in on foreign policy
(07:14):
who agreed that he would be happy, thoughhe was a Democrat.
He would be very happy to sit downwith the other guy and
and prepare me for a debatethat I was going to have with Jerry Brown,
because it was when I was runningfor Senate against Jerry,
I made the commentthat and I we'd insisted
(07:36):
I had insisted on the formatfor the debate.
I said the first debate has to be
on national security and foreign policy.
I thought he'll probably leap at it.
Here he is, twice the unsuccessful,but nevertheless twice
candidate for president.
So and he'll think, well, here'sthis poor little mayor
(08:00):
worrying about thingslike charcoals and garbage pick up and
pretty plebeian concerns.
So I figured he will leap at itand he did.
So we also insisted on certain rules.
One was thatrather than answering questions
from a panel of reporters,we'd ask each other questions.
(08:24):
I insisted on that.
And what happened was that
I must admitI had by chance, a little intelligence.
I found out that the make up manwho was making me up
had just come from making up Jerry Brown.
Well, he said, Are you all alonehere, sir?
(08:45):
And I said, Yes, I am.
And he said, Wow, what a difference.
And I said, From what?
Well, I was just making up Governor Brown.
And he has been overrun with peoplerunning in and out,
shouting at one another and raising hell,and you're all by yourself.
I said, Yeah.
(09:05):
I said,I told the others. I said, Listen, enough.
Go get a coach.
He said, Well, you seem very calm.
I said, You and I are the only ones here.
He said, Okay, well, let's get to it.
I said, Let's do.
When we came down,there was a flip of the coin.
He won it, and that gave him the rightto ask the first question.
(09:27):
In the two weeks before that, whenI had been with my two advisers, coaches.
I said, I think Jerry will assumethat he is far better prepared.
So I bet that he will ask a question
about Africa and another about Asia.
They'll probably be half a dozenfor each country.
(09:50):
And the questions have to be reasonable.
They have to have made some news
because otherwise,if he ask questions that are so obscure,
the people are going to say, well,who knows and who cares?
It worked.
The very first question, he came out
and he did have notes, knocked them over,and I went over to help and pick them up.
(10:14):
And then
he asked a question and the question was,
you're running to be a United Statessenator.
It may well be that the presidentof the United States will ask you
your advice on what our position
should be with respect to Namibia.
(10:35):
The asking of the questionand the timing of the answer
all were time you had to do itwithin a certain period of time.
I deliberately wait,let a couple of seconds go by
and this audience of about 500 at the SanFrancisco Hilton just as quiet
as a mouth, you wouldn't think I thoughtthere was anyone else in the room.
(10:57):
And then I rattled off the schoolsolution.
Then Walters, who was a reporter
covering this, later said,
You've never seen the blood flush
from anyone's faceas fast as it did from Jerry Brown
and some
woman sitting at the centerfeel let go away.
(11:20):
Yahoo!
The form of the debate
that you insisted uponcandidates is questioning each other.
It makes you wonder why that hasn't become
the standard form of debatein most elections.
And part of us thinks that journalistssitting asking
(11:41):
these questionsshould have unbiased questions.
But we all sense a bias and attitude
in questions,particularly in the last couple
of election cyclescoming from the journalist.
But you expect your opponent be lying inwait for you and to throw you a curveball.
QUESTIONSo in that sense, it's more honest.
Do you think that's a better formfor presidential debates?
(12:02):
Let the presidential candidates go at.
It probably never happen.
What do you what do you think?
If you have sufficient confidence
and think that you have the ability
which you have almost inany case, I'd say.
But that's a very good question.
I obviously thought it was a good formatand that's why I insisted on it.
(12:23):
I would think that a lot of people will be
reluctant, reluctantthat they will make some fatal mistake.
Interesting.
Some people will saythis is a partizan comment.
But I've got to say,in this last election,
Joe Biden was in the basement.
The campaign was not covered by
(12:46):
the predominantly liberal mediawith a few exceptions.
They thought if he's not exposed, he'snot in danger.
And I think there are a lotof contradictions in his history
that gave rise to that concernon the part of his backers.
Interesting the form of debatethat you insisted upon.
(13:07):
I was wonderinghow much you were influenced
by the hair goingway back to the Lincoln-Douglas debates,
because that almostsounds like a Lincoln and Douglas debate.
As I recall,
they went back and forth with each otherthe same in the very same fashion. Yep.
It was accepted and there needed to bea rule of time limit.
Right.
Which they probably didn't have timelimits in those days.
(13:29):
That thing went on for hours.
Major entertainment.
There was no television or streamingservices, anything of that nature.
That's right. Lincolnand the little giant.
Well.
Let me ask you.
Peculiar challenges of leadership today.
Most of us, whether you're left or right,
would really wanting some consensus,
(13:49):
you know, healing,bringing the parties, people together.
But yet what we hear are so often divisivecomments that seems to drive us apart.
Maybe we can talk a little bitabout the media as well.
What's changed with the mediais because many of us will remember
Walter Cronkite, Huntley and Brinkley,and and we all know
that they would have been membersprobably of a certain political party.
(14:13):
They sure probably had certainpolitical biases,
probably Johnny Carsonhad political biases.
But no one could ever tell youwhat they were.
That's right.
And now whenever we go to the media,it takes about 30 seconds to find out
what that particular commentatorsor journalists bias is.
I guess I'm kind of a long way of askingfrom the standpoint of of a of a leader.
(14:36):
Well,let's say the people are running for,
you know, for the White Housethis coming cycle.
We hear a lot of promises
about bringing people togetherand so forth, but yet it seems that
then we hear the opposite comments laterthat is castigating one side or the other.
The other saying must be bad,they must be evil and that kind of thing,
which of course doesn't do
anything, does not helpwith healing or a consensus at all.
(14:59):
And I guess my question is, the changein the media, is this being driven?
If you agree with that observation,is it being driven
by the media trying to maintain viewership
or get these soundbites,or is it being driven by something else?
It's driven by ratings.
The people who are with Fox Network
(15:21):
tend to be conservatives.
Right.
The people who are on the other major
networks very much on the other side.
And I think everyone would concedethat a lot of people who are registered
Democrats, particularlyif they're, let's say, 50 and up,
find the woke Democratic Party of today,
(15:43):
the segment that is woke.
They find it a little hard to swallow.
It is very much a matter of what
a lot of strategiststhink they can get away with.
And some make terrible mistakes.
Right. And others
who don't have much to apologizefor except their policy positions.
(16:06):
I mean, as opposed to personal problems.
I think that the articulate people
and I'll give youa couple of the presidential examples.
One was the debate between Ronald Reagan
and Jimmy Carter, Jimmy Carter and Reagan
were virtually tieda month out from the election,
(16:29):
very close in a debate.
Ronald Reagan documented it after askinga lot of rhetorical questions.
He said to the audience inhis summation, Ask yourself,
are you
betteroff today than you were four years ago?
And they just paused.
(16:49):
That was a killer question
because people were thinkingabout what had happened to them.
Has my mortgage gone up?
Has my job been put in jeopardy?
Tough questions.
And they were particularlytough with Jimmy Carter.
And he didn't project much confidence.
(17:12):
I mean, he looked uncomfortable.
And I think that a format is important.
If you think that you are well enoughschooled
both in your own backgroundand justification for the policies
that you have taken and thinkthat you know enough about your opponent.
(17:33):
Then that policy
sort of a truncated Lincoln-Douglas debate
not 4 hours long, but within the timelimits is a good way to go.
One that's projecting confidence.
You better have thecut. That's better. But just
thank you for joiningus for this fascinating and informative
discussion with former CaliforniaGovernor Pete Wilson.
(17:54):
My name is Roger Clark, your hostfor this episode of the Fourscore
and Seven Project, a productionof the New Majority Foundation.
Please share. Unlike us with your friends.
And be sure to join us for part threeof our conversation with Governor Wilson,
where we will explore his thoughts onwhat is ailing California.
The trouble with a one party state,the importance of education, public
(18:16):
employee unions, taxes, and the importanceof fiscal responsibility.
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