April 17, 2025 • 62 mins
MarcusB814 and Dr. Gameology explore the psychological connections we form with video games and how our gaming habits reflect our personalities.
• Gaming setups and workflow with discussion of Lenovo's Yoga Book laptop for mixing gaming and productivity
• Trophy hunting in games like Journey, Heavy Rain, and Bioshock, and what these achievements mean to different players
• Marcus's Elden Ring experience in Crumbling Farum Azula and the crossroads of completing the game versus exploring every area
• The psychology of gaming backlogs and why we buy games we never play
• Which video game characters would make the best coworkers and what their job titles would be
• How gaming experiences become so meaningful they inspire permanent tattoo ideas
• PlayStation versus Xbox controller layouts and the confusion when switching between platforms
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Gaming Persona Podcast.
I'm MarcusB814.
I'm joined by my esteemed bestfriend, dr Gameology, and we're
here to talk about video gamesand sidebars.
Why?
Because that's what I do I'mhere for the sidebar, he's here
to drop psychology on you, andthis is our show right now,
(00:21):
right now Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Marcus, have you heard of the Yoga Book laptop by
Lenovo?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Not yet, but I'm looking at it right now.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I have to get one.
I don't know when I'm going toget one, but I feel like it
would change my work from homelife dramatically.
Like Q O L, off the charts.
That's quality of life forpeople.
Like off the charts,improvement of my life in every
way.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Hold on, I'm looking at it.
So it's just a tablet, but youcan turn it vertical.
Wait, it's a book.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
It's two tablets that you can fold any way.
That two tablets connect on ahinge so it can be two vertical
screens sitting upright with thewireless keyboard just on the
table, but the wireless keyboardmagnetically latches onto the
bottom screen.
(01:20):
If you want to do traditionallaptop like one screen flips up,
you have the keyboard there andthen the top half of the bottom
tablet that the keyboard islatched onto gives you an app
display so you can see thingslike the weather or the stocks
or Google News or your favoritevideo game websites, top stories
(01:40):
of the day, just right there onyour keyboard.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Wow, it's so, so it's two grand uh, yes, yeah, I mean
that's.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
That's where it starts, just in terms of what
the technology is and what, whatthe storage that you're aiming
for entry-level graphics like Iwonder, can you get it with like
?
Hold on.
This would be definitely just awork laptop.
I don't think that there's toomany games on Steam I'd be
installing on it.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
There's got to be a way to get.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
So you're trying to figure out.
How do we get a better graphicscard into this thing?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, figure out, how do we get a better graphics
card into this thing?
That's right.
Yeah, I just look at like it's.
You know the biggest difficultyfor me getting out of this
office when I have all day towork and it's just so nice to
spend a little bit of time in mybedroom or in the living room.
But sometimes you still gottakeep the work stuff moving
forward.
And my current laptop is agaming laptop.
(02:45):
I've had it for seven years.
I bought it the day that Ireturned to Florida and it just.
It just overheats.
It's got too much power insideit.
It's like the death star, butit doesn't have the thing that
moderates the heat, and so itjust goes.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, heat, and so it just goes.
Yeah, so this is just this, isthis is a, this is a work slash
like, yeah, it's a work machineyeah, it's a work machine yeah,
it summarizes documents.
It's got cloud-based ai uh,basic image generation.
(03:24):
Yeah, this is a mid-gradeprocessor, great for most tasks.
Yeah, it's a work, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I could play Journey on it, though I guarantee that.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, but like how many times are you going to play
Journey on a laptop?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I've played Journey like a hundred times, marcus.
I have it as an iPhone app.
No, I get.
No, I get it.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I'm just changing it is.
It's a life change.
I get it.
I get it.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I've never played it you know what, though, marcus?
You haven't played it, but oneof the coolest things that I
ever got to do in my life waswith Nick, your cousin, right,
that's the connection yeah yeah,so formerly working class nerds
.
For everyone who doesn't know,we're on the gaming persona.
Marcus's old show was calledworking class nerds.
(04:15):
He did it with nick for like ahundred years, okay eight years
and did like 500 episodes.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
No 252, I think.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
That's a lot of episodes Like you're lapping the
gaming persona here, but youknow you also have four extra
years before the gaming personaexists.
Anyway, that's not what we'retalking about.
Nick, such a stand-up guy.
Such a stand-up guy.
(04:48):
There was a trophy that Ineeded in Journey that required
me to play the game walking sideby side with another traveler.
And you can't co-op that game.
You just gotta find a randomperson and walk with them.
And he kept logging into thegame until we ended up in the
same spot and then we played thewhole 45 minutes of the game
(05:10):
together.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I remember that.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
We got to the top of the mountain and he got me that
trophy and then that left mewith only one trophy left and I
platinum did the next morning,Cause I I just was like this
game means so much to me, I havegot to earn the platinum trophy
.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
But isn't every game that way that you play?
You have to platinum trophy it.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Marcus, I'm going to share something I'm ashamed to
say out loud with themicrophones on, but I'm going to
say it because it's the truth.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
It's just us talking.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I only have 25 platinum trophies.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Okay, but what are the 25 game platinum trophy?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Devil May Cry 4, elden Ring, star Wars wars.
The force unleashed one and two.
Um, there's a doctor who gamein there.
That I thought was pretty coolbut honestly it was kind of like
a iphone game that just endedup on ps3.
But I still love doctor who.
Um, you know, there's there's.
(06:27):
There's some other one, heavyrain is in there such a good one
of them one of the best ever.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I so do.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
You know what penny arcade is I do know what penny
arcade is so you know how theydo their strip comics.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I do so.
Uh, I have a strip I next fornext show.
I'll have it, I'll put it up.
It's one of my favorite comicstrips because you can order um
comic strips from them and theycome in like a nice, like thick
stock paper and it's printedacross and it's the agent or the
(07:02):
cop and it says now that we'vecaught the origami killer, we
have a new serial killer.
It's the balloon animal killerand it's like a balloon animal
and it's of a pony.
Are you pulling up that comicstrip?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I'm trying to pull up a couple things here, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I can find a Balloon animal killer.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Penny arcade so what.
I'm actually doing is I'mtrying to convince the
algorithms to still love me,because I fell behind on social
media.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Oh, here it is today.
There you go this.
Oh yeah, so I'm sending onsocial media today.
Oh, here it is.
There you go this.
Oh yeah, so I'm sending youthis right now.
See, can I do?
Is there a chat in our?
Oh, there is a chat here.
Where's the chat?
Where do I type in the chat?
How do I type?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
With your keyboard, Marcus.
I can't see where the chat.
How do I type With yourkeyboard, Marcus?
I?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
can't see where the chat window is.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
W-A-S-D strafe with Q&E, you know, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Now paste.
I just sent it to you I sentyou the link.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Thank you, check that out.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, check that out so Heavy Rain was such a good
game.
I did not be or really playdetroit become human yeah, that
one was very good.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
It definitely had technological advances over
heavy rain, but I prefer thestory of heavy rain drinking
tonight, doc I have no beverageright now.
Wow, that's just terrible.
Yeah, where is all the rum gone?
In jack sparrow's belly you gotthe reference, that's cool, um,
(08:56):
anyway.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
So what I was saying is those games are such a good
like key into people's minds.
Yeah, because each like eachmovement is controlled, right?
I remember in Heavy Rain therewas a moment in your hotel and
I'm just going to use it andyou're with a female and it's
(09:20):
like kiss, grab her boob, slapher booty, and it's like what
the fuck am I getting into rightnow?
Right, and it was wild thatthey went that far with it.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, you also just made me remember three more of
my platinum trophies.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Oh, let's hear them.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
They come from a similar timeline.
Bioshock and bioshock infiniteare both games that I've
platinumed, and then after that,the very next one was the last
of us, and also resident evil.
Four, five and six are all inthere too okay, respectable oh
(10:14):
also resident evil two and threethe remakes.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
I think I've only platinum or or got all of the
achievements Xbox unlocked inone game.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I think that we should bring people with us,
just in case we have some peoplein my line of work that aren't
in the gamer side.
It's important to know whatwe're even talking about.
What's a platinum trophy,marcus?
Speaker 1 (10:40):
It's when you complete every achievement
that's in a video game.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, including the ones that have no purpose.
It's just the game companythinks it would be fun if you
tried to do it.
So it's like you have to getyour skills up and find the
right situations to do thingsthat are impressive.
It's like a scavenger hunt ofactivities inside the game, so
(11:09):
you have all kinds of differentthings like beat the game on the
highest difficulty.
That's a very normal one.
You usually get a gold trophyfor that.
But then there's also get a100-hit combo without getting
hit, and that could be a bronzeor a silver, depending on how
hard it is to actually do that,and when you have completed
(11:31):
everything in the list, that'swhen they give you the platinum
trophy sure, well, so the onlygame that I've ever gotten the
achievement for 100% is it'scalled Naruto the Last Airbender
, or something like that.
(11:52):
Avatar the Last Airbender.
Yes, that's it Naruto andAvatar are not the same thing,
Marcus.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
That's because when the Xbox 360 came out, everybody
was obsessed with getting allyour gamer points out, like
everybody was obsessed withgetting all your gamer points,
yeah.
And so this game had fiveachievements and it was all
combos, so you could literally100 the game in five minutes
because it just had to do withcombos.
Literally it took me 20 minutesto get that that kind of thing
still exists.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Do you know that I was able to unlock stellarar
Blade from the PlayStation Storelast year, but I didn't have to
pay for it because my gamerpoints were enough over the
years to just get it for freebecause it was in the list of
redemptions.
One month I was like I wasgoing to buy this when it went
(12:41):
on sale in the future becauseit's a hack and slash with
pretty girls, that's totally mything.
And, um, yeah, I didn't have tobuy it because I just get all
these achievements sure I I can,I can respect and understand
that you're.
You're a pro gamer well, yeah,but I also make youtube videos
(13:03):
about all these characters,archetypes, that the internet
apparently likes yeah I guess ifyou add psychology to it, then
it's serious stuff, marcus myeye is rolling so hard right now
listen, listen.
(13:26):
You gotta understand whatmotivates you, marcus oh, I know
what motivates you and you knowwhat motivates me yeah, so like
it's really important thatCloud defeats Sephiroth, but
it's also really important thathe goes on a date in the Golden
Saucer with Tifa Lockhart.
And if you don't get the datewith Tifa Lockhart, what's the
(13:49):
point of defeating Sephiroth?
Marcus?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I don't know.
You win the game.
You save the bad guys.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Marcus, you've got to play Final Fantasy VII Remake
so that you can hang with mehere.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
So, Marcus, what you are playing, though, is Elden
Ring.
Can you tell us how that'sgoing?
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So I don't understand .
Well, alright, so I'm backcompletely in love with it.
I'm still in crumbling PharmaAzula.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Pharma, pharma, pharma Like the pharmaceutical
company.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, yes.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
This is where the tarnished get their drugs.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yes, it clearly is.
There's a never ending supplyof nose candy, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Keep going.
I just love that you saidpharma, because you know that
means something very different.
All right, keep going.
Just love that you said pharma,because you know that means
something very different allright, keep going anyways.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I have decided that and granted, like there's the
tree sentinels in the game andthese bell bearing hunters, and
I have decided they are thehardest bosses in the game for
me.
I get my butt whooped by themall the time.
So I'm finally at the end ofpharma azula.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
It's sponsored by pfizer and oh man, that's so
good yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
So anyway, I'm finally at the end and I can see
the main boss door.
I know I'm at the end becauseI'm finally at the end and I can
see on the map it's a big ring.
So I'm like this is the bossbattle, but it's being protected
by this dragonic tree Sentineland I know he's not that hard.
But they give me such a hardtime Every time I fight them, no
(15:41):
matter where they are in theworld, that I think I've died 12
times and I'm gonna beat themand but what's gonna be funny is
I'm gonna beat them and thenI'm gonna go into the boss fight
and I'm gonna die a lot in theboss fight, but it's gonna be
easier for me to fight the bossthan the dragonic tree sentinel.
(16:05):
It's a way it always goes inthose like bell bearing hunters
that have like the Jedi swords.
It just doesn't go.
Few with me.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
They should not be as difficult as they are, but they
are a bitch you know what,sometimes the way that you play
and the way that you move andthe way your instincts are with
that controller in your hand, itjust is a bad matchup.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Xbox controller.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I'm not talking about which controller you choose to
use.
I'm talking about the brainthat's using it.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Well, yeah, I agree.
So I'm an erratic Elden Ringplayer.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I'm not calm.
I'm not calm, right?
Speaker 1 (16:46):
no, I'm not come with the force, the force is with me
it's not me, like I'm the guythat's always going for the
extra hit, right?
Yeah, I'm not a patient gamerand, like Elden, I'm amazed at
how well.
It's taken me a long time.
I think it's taken me 105 hours.
(17:07):
I think I've played at a totalof like 140, but in this run is
109, and I'm not even at the endof the game, right?
So the point is is I've taken avery long time to get to where
I am, but it took me a long timeto even understand the
mechanics of the game.
But I still don't even get itall.
(17:29):
Like I've never used one of therune arcs.
I've never used a like thething that the remembrance thing
.
I've never cashed in remembrancethings, in those like watch
walking, like mausoleum things.
There's so many things thatI've skipped and done which I'm
(17:51):
gonna regret not finishing.
You know what I mean, and, yes,I can do it in new game plus.
But my point is I know thatwhere I'm at and I'm at a
crossroads in the game, so I'mgoing to beat this dragonic tree
Sentinel asshole and I have achoice to make I either have to
a go back to Lindell and do allthe things that I have not done,
(18:15):
which is like there's some likesubterranean stupid grounds or
something like that, shunninggrounds.
That's stupid grounds and like Ihaven't done that, I have not
killed mog the lord of blood,but I've been to him.
You know, I pulled him oncebecause I wanted the dragon, the
(18:36):
dragon, ancient dragon, sombersmithing stone, so I could max
out my moon veil, all of thosethings right.
My point is I have not, likeI'm not at the point of no
return, so I I have a decisionto make, it's I'm gonna beat
this draconic tree sentinel.
And then I have to stop and askmyself, do I want to stop and
(19:00):
go back to lindell and finish?
The thing that I know is there,because I know you fight Moog
there before you fight him asthe Lord of Blood.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
So I have to ask myself, do I want to go back and
do that or just say, fuck itand let's finish the game?
And that's where I'm verydifferent from you.
You know where I'm verydifferent from you.
You know, and I feel like I'mmissing so many hidden, hidden
things in the game.
There's so many hidden things inelden ring right and and and I
(19:37):
know there's, like there's stillcaves that I haven't been in.
You know that I haven't evenfound because I really haven't
explored like I haven't.
I've killed one dragon in thegame.
You know that I haven't evenfound Cause I really haven't
explored Like I haven't.
I've killed one dragon in thegame.
You know, do I go kill thedragons before I cause?
I don't want to get to thepoint of no return and regret it
because I don't know if I'mgoing to do new game Plus.
I don't know.
(19:58):
You know what I mean.
What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I have a foot rest on my chair.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Oh, I thought you were grabbing a controller and
you were going to play someelden ring while we're talking.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
But we totally could do that.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I couldn't, because all I would do is swear that's
all you do when the mics arealive.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
No, that's not true.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I'm actually if if you are restrained if on this
podcast I would say I'm ratedlike pg-13 yeah where on working
class nerds, I was straight xlike I didn't give a fuck?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
oh well, there's our one f-bomb from you for the
whole show sir, but you droppedthem three times today yeah, but
that was clinically valid wow,anyway, moving on, I'm just
gonna move on a little bit.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
So there's, there's things in elden ring like I see
on the map, but I have no ideawhat it is like if you pull up
the map real quick, they'llbring that.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yep, and I'm getting it.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
You just keep talking yeah, so in the mountaintops of
the giants there's a red circle.
I have no idea what that redcircle is.
Never eat shred, okay.
So it's all all way east, southof the pond or the lake, right,
and I've kind of explored thelake, but not really.
(21:30):
I know that there's a dungeonthere.
I don't know, it's not called.
Maybe it's called the Shaded no, not the Shaded Castle.
I don't know what it's called,but I have not done that.
You know what I mean.
So there's a bunch of thingsthat I know I haven't done.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
You actually don't need to worry about that red
mark, marcus.
Why?
Because you've alreadycompleted Volcano Manor.
There's two ways to get toVolcano Manor.
One way is you assassinate theperson who stole the locket and
you become friends with the girluntil she teleports you there.
(22:09):
The other way is to go win acertain number of PvP matches
against the three red marks onthe map, which means if you go
that route, you're not gettingto Volcano Manor until you're
ready for endgame, because thatlast one is in the mountaintops
of the Giants.
(22:29):
I'm pretty sure that's whatthat red mark is.
Oh, mark is Marcus, mark isMarcus.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Well, I don't know, but like that's the thing.
So I guess what I'm saying is Ihave a decision to make and I
don't know what to do.
Part of me is like okay, I'm atthe precipice of the end game.
Yep, stop and go enjoy thethings.
(23:00):
That is Elden Ring, because Idon't think I'm going to start
the game over.
You say that, no, I'm gonna.
so what I'm gonna my plan was isbeat the game, go back into the
world, clean up whatever andthen go into the dlc that's a
(23:25):
good plan before, because what Idon't want to do is go into the
dlc in new game plus and it'dbe extra harder than it needs to
be because I'm already going toget my butt whooped in the DLC.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
My problem with the DLC right now is actually that
my character is on their sixthjourney.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Oh yeah, dude, you should be doing it like they
said.
You should not go in that inNew Game Plus.
I really don't want to play alevel one character but see,
okay, so that's my point andthat's that's where I'm at.
But no matter what happens withelden ring, when I beat elden
ring I beat the elden beast, Iget the the ending with my wife
(24:13):
and I do whatever with her and Idon't know what happens.
No.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Oh, ronnie, ronnie, okay.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I hope that's the ending I got because I finished
her quest line so I'm praying Iget her ending, but I'm not sure
, did you get the giant moonblade?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yes, okay, that's good.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
So like I saw her true form, that's good.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
So like I saw her true form.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
So I'm hoping I have her ending.
That's what I was going for,but anyway, moving on.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
If you defeat the final bosses you have to.
You have to make sure that youreassemble the Elden Ring
correctly, because you will havea choice sitting in front of
you and behind you.
Just make sure you look atwhich rune you pick up.
(25:03):
Marcus, because there is anending where I wanted Ronnie's
ending, but I picked to do thedefault repair on the Elden Ring
and so I got the default endingfirst.
I had to beat the game a secondtime to get Ronnie's ending.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Even though I did her whole quest both times,
somebody said you can create aseparate save file I don't know
how to do that so you canactually just keep repeating all
the endings that you'veunlocked on the pc version.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
There is a way to do that with using, uh, save
scumming basically, which iswhere you just go back to a save
that shouldn't be accessible,or, you know, like in video
games, you just reload your saveso you can replay something
right, um, or you can manipulateyour ending, because if
(26:01):
something doesn't go your way,you just stop playing, load your
save, go back five minutes, tryagain, and so, uh, if you're,
if you're a noble gamer, theywant you to believe that
whatever happens is myplaythrough and I'm going to
accept and that's so.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
That's my point.
That's probably the way I'mgoing to do it, because I am way
too impatient, and I'm justgoing to want to do it because
I'm going to be excited.
But I I've I've rambled on longenough about it.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
My point is I'm I'm interested in this because it's
such a cool game and you're sucha cool person and I I just want
to see all that coolnesscollide and it fucks with my
head.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
And if there's a game that has fucked with my head
and yes, that's three times thatrated R Marcus is out.
Ooh, this game messes with meso much psychologically, like
when I fight a boss, literally,I should check my watch to see
what my heart is beating.
I can feel it beating in mychest right.
This game messes with me somuch and the point is right.
(27:00):
The point I'm trying to make isthat I love it so much and I
don't want it to end, but I knowthat when I beat the game I am
going to take a break from it.
I don't want it to end, but Iknow that when I beat the game I
am going to take a break fromit.
I don't foresee myself goinginto New Game Plus or right into
(27:21):
the DLC.
There's another game I reallywant to play.
So I want to play that game,but I have to beat Elden Ring
first.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
What is that?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
game Final Fantasy 16 .
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Oh, I just started that Elden Ring first.
What is that game?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Final Fantasy 16.
Oh, I just started that on mystream yesterday.
I know I was anti-Final.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Fantasy 16 for you.
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (27:44):
You've already played it Like you've already it's New
Game Plus and I'm playing.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Final Fantasy mode.
I don't care I love the highestdifficulty.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
That is fine, but I look at it like I want your
natural reactions, like whenyou're playing a game that
you've already played, youalready know that Cloud is going
on a date with Tifa and she'sgoing to kissy kiss If I earned
it.
Well, right, but what you'regoing to because you're going to
platinum trophy it.
But my point, I guess so I'mgonna back up the point I'm
(28:17):
trying to make is that I wantedto see you play your next story
game like fresh, like you'replaying.
I'm gonna use mass effect as anexample.
You're playing mass effect forthe first time.
Everything that shepherd saysfrom you picking, is it going to
be femshep or manshep?
Right starting there and movingforward.
(28:40):
All of it is all new to you.
So all of the, the bad shitthat happens is fresh and
everybody sees your reaction.
That's the streaming I love.
You know.
You know what I mean like, likeor or first playthrough.
Like.
I love when people put in theirstreams first playthrough Elden
Ring or first playthrough DarkSouls, first playthrough Final
(29:03):
Fantasy 16, because people whoplayed the game that love the
game.
They tune in to see yourreaction and see where you're at
in the game.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, okay.
So here's the thing, marcus.
I love everything you just said.
There is a but coming though.
Oh, of course there is.
And for me, with the thingsthat I do with video games and
stories and in my professionallife, it really does benefit me
(29:32):
to go through things multipletimes, because you notice things
differently the more times yougo through it.
Like, how many times have youwatched Return of the Jedi in
your life, marcus?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Oh, a billion times.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Yeah, I watched Star Wars 5,000 times.
You know like from 30 Rock yeah.
Yeah, thousand times, you know,like from 30 rock, yeah, uh,
yeah, so, um, I really dobenefit from repeating through
stories because it helps thestory to become mythological to
me.
And final fantasy 16 I playedone time through two summers ago
(30:13):
.
I do not remember the detailsof what happens, I only remember
the broad strokes.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
But you still remember the big parts is the
point I'm trying to make.
I'm using Mass Effect as aplaceholder.
Mass Effect is dialogue andchoices and it's like you're
playing SWotor in sci-fi, sci-fiworld.
Right, you're making dialogue,choices, you're making those
choices and it's going to reallyaffect your game later.
(30:45):
And there's actual points inthe game where, because it
connects through three games,that if one of your characters
dies, it doesn't continue in thenext game.
That character's done.
Yeah, a lot of times you life isright, A lot of people restart
the game that restart their savepoint so that they can try to
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save that character becauseyou're going to lose that whole
arc in the next game.
But my point is, I respect youa lot for what you're saying.
How playing it again?
But there is nothing betterthan a content creator playing
something for the first time, inthat reaction of something
natural happening.
(31:26):
It's the big points that areshocking.
I'll use myself with Elden Ringwhen I was running through the
lake in Limgrave.
I was streaming it and I'm likedo, do, do, do, do and there's
like this little like area wherethere's some enemies and I'm
killing some enemies and I jumpup on my, my noble steed and I'm
giddy up, giddy up, giddy up,giddy up, dude Right, and all of
(31:48):
a sudden a fucking dragon comesout of nowhere.
Dude I yeah that reaction took alike.
My chat was going bananasbecause I was just like you know
what I mean, because I neversaw it same thing with you with
a game that you've never seen.
Now I understand themythological part, but that
(32:10):
there's nothing like a freshfirst playthrough, first
reaction of when you meet thefirst jerk face in the game and
you're like, wow, that guy's areal asshole.
But in a game you've playedonce, two summers ago, you're
going to remember oh, I rememberthis guy.
He's an asshole.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
There's a part two to something I'm trying to figure
out for myself, and I'm justgoing to be completely open here
.
I am not good at followingstories when I'm streaming.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
And okay, and I agree and I agree.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, like if a cut scene happens, my natural
tendency is to dive into thechat or just talk about
something, and when the scene isover and I get to control my
character, now I'm back into thegame.
I don't stay attentive to thestory when I have the chance to
be social.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
So I challenge you and I agree is you're just going
to have to flip-flop that andyou're going to have to force
yourself and you can even put itin your stream chat.
It says during cut scenes I'mnot talking, it's my first
playthrough.
And then, as soon as the cutscene's over and you get access
to your character when you'rerunning around going pew, pew,
pew, pew, that and you getaccess to your character when
you're running around going pew,pew, pew, pew.
(33:35):
That's when you're talking topeople go, oh my God, johnny,
thanks, I didn't realize Taliahad such a nice booty.
No backseating, yeah, whatever,but I guess for me that's just
my view.
I really love watching firstplaythroughs.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
All right.
So here's what we'll do.
We're going to send an email toEA.
We're going to say I reallyneed to play mass effect, but
you got to pay me to do it.
And then they'll just, they'llsponsor me, and then I'll play
mass effect.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Can I sponsor you by buying you the mass effect
legendary edition.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I already have it on two.
I can play it two ways.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
I have it on two.
I can play it two ways.
I have it um gaming persona.
I don't have it on steam gamingpersona, fans, listeners,
friends of the show, friends ofmine, friends of doc, students
of doc, co-workers of doc.
I don't know if I've everbrought out my two favorite
words to doc right now, but he'sgonna get them.
Them Suck less, doc.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
It's part of my backlog.
It's part of my list of thingsthat I'm going to do one day.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Dude, one of these days we're going to talk about
our backlogs.
We're going to pull it up.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
It's devastating.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Well, mine is too.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah.
So a backlog for everybody thatdoesn't know, are the games
that you have bought becausethey were on sale and you own
them and you could totally playthem right now.
But you haven't played them,you haven't completed them, you
(35:09):
haven't even booted them up andgone to the main menu and said
new game.
You just own them for no reason, because someday we believe
that we will have the magicaltime to play the game.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
I'm going to find it.
I forget what it's called.
It's a shooter I bought and ithaunts me to this day.
Shit.
It begins with R.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
What is the game on your backlog that you want to
play the most, but you probablynever will?
Speaker 1 (35:39):
I'm looking at it right now, but I'm trying to
find this.
Oh, I bought this game.
It's called Red FactionGuerrilla Steam Edition.
Okay, I wanted to play this game.
So bad, let me click on it.
When did I buy it?
Does it show when I bought it?
No, it's only 7.51 gigs, soit's an Xbox 360 game.
(36:07):
What I'm looking at, my gamesof?
What game?
And oh, I can answer thatwithout a doubt.
Let me just double check beforeI confirm what that game is.
Sorry, it's.
(36:28):
Uh, yeah, I think I figuredthat out real quick.
Oh, oh, and I'm going back toQuantic Dreams.
It's called Indigo, prophecyIndigo.
Okay.
So All right, you ready here itis the one game that I want to
(36:49):
play, that I will never, everplay.
Is Tomb Raider?
Which one?
The new ones?
It can either be Rise of theTomb Raider or play.
Is Tomb Raider?
Which one?
The new ones?
It can either be Rise of theTomb Raider or the first Tomb
Raider.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
I kid you not, Marcus .
I don't know if you can tell.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
No, your screen is weird.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Well, you can kind of tell what those bottom six
games are?
I can't at all, I'm literallylooking at six Tomb Raider games
in my library right now tryingto figure out what my backlog is
, I'm going to say Red DeadRedemption 2.
I know it is, it's just rightthere, I could play it today and
(37:29):
I just I'm not going to Nothingagainst it.
I know I love it, I know I'dappreciate it.
I know I love it, I know I'dappreciate it, I know it would
matter to me.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Near Automata is also another one where I know I need
.
I've actually played theopening sequence of that game
two different times and it justI never go back to it.
And I need to.
It's Square Enix, I would loveit.
It has a crossover with myfavorite MMO right now, final
Fantasy XIV.
There's three alliance raidswhere you go into the world of
(38:03):
Nier Automata, and that isn'teven enough to convince me to
play it.
I need to play it.
I need to get a statue of 2b,put her back there behind me, do
an archetype video on youtubeand play near automata for the
(38:24):
first time, and then I will bedoing what you say will bring me
to the next level, marcus well,I didn't say it will bring you
to the next level.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
I'm telling you what I enjoy watching.
Hmm, I love watching for firstplaythroughs, like when I fight
that boss in a crumbling pharmaAzula sponsored by Pfizer.
I might stream that justbecause I know there's going to
be a lot of people that aregoing to want to see that.
(38:52):
Yeah, and maybe it's not likethe day I stream it, but it'll
be in the video after.
Cause people like watching that.
Anyways, I have to ask yousomething super important.
Okay, cause it's been on mymind for I don't know a couple
of days now.
If you could have one videogame character be your coworker,
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who would it be and what wouldtheir job title be?
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Oh man, this is why I asked the questions, marcus.
I tweeted that out a coupledays ago and it was very
interesting to look at whatpeople came up with on the
different apps.
Oh my gosh, do you have ananswer for this question?
I'll answer first, but I'm justasking you.
No, I'm asking you I know I'mgonna, I'm asking you, okay, um,
so it.
(39:37):
I just think it would be reallycool to have dante from devil
may cry be a co-worker but whatwould their job title be?
um, I don't know, office jester,I don't know, like he, I, I, I
don't think I want him to be mysupervisor or manager.
I think he'd be very hard tomanage as well.
(40:00):
So, um, I, I think I mean jobtitles like I, I work at
university and I, I, I work withcounseling professionals.
So like I don't.
I don't know if dante would begood at that, but he'd probably
be like IT or something,something where you can just put
your feet up, eat pizza andjust say have you tried turning
(40:23):
it on and off again?
Jerk.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
He'd be your IT guy.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah, dante, from Devil May Cry my IT guy.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Is it plugged in?
What's Dante do At night orduring the day?
During the day, he's our IT guy.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Right?
No, I agree with you.
I 100% agree with you, 100agree with you what about?
Speaker 2 (40:57):
what about for you, marcus?
Speaker 1 (41:00):
so I have two.
One of them is kind of funnybecause it would be um ronnie
from elden ring okay.
And her job title would be HR.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Oh man, that's tough.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Can you?
Speaker 2 (41:20):
imagine the giant witch hat.
You can't see her face when youenter the room and you just
have to go in and talk about howthe manager is making the wrong
kind of comments.
Right, yeah, wow.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Yep, and then the other, my other one, it would be
Guile from Street Fighter, oohokay, and he would be the
security guard.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Okay.
I just had another one that Ithink would be super fun and
it's kind of because you saidGuile, I think, Captain Falcon,
oh, my god being the trainer fornew higher orientation.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Show me your moves.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
There's also so, going back to like the statues
in my youtube videos and who I'mattracted to in video games,
there's also some other onesthat are probably caused for hr
issues.
We're not talking about thoseon the show, right so everybody.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
The reason why I did that is because, doc, this week
he came out with somespectacular questions on social
media and I appreciated it and Idid not.
I think I answered one, I can'tremember, but I actually
thought about it all week and Iwas like I'm going to talk about
this on the show because he'sasking questions that don't
(42:52):
normally get asked.
He's asking questions thatdon't normally get asked and if
you know whether you answered itonline or not, but when you
hear us talk about it, thinkabout that answer and laugh to
yourself, because I thoughtguile, right away, because he's
just this army guy, air forceguy and he's like got the long
hair and his head's alwaysbobbing.
(43:12):
But like if he was your securityguard at a grocery store or a
mall paul blart, mall cop orwhatever that is he'd fuck you
up no, yeah, you're not gonna,you're gonna think twice about
stealing from with guiles aroundguys like eight feet tall, yeah
, or what.
What's that other uh fighterthat has uh the long like the
(43:34):
extendo legs?
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Dhalsim.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Yeah, Can you imagine if he was a security guard?
Like get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
You're not going to steal anything from that mall,
right Exactly.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Oh man.
Yeah, I don't remember whichquestion I answered, but I know
I answered one.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
But you know what?
I'm going to bring a little bitmore of that serious
psychological angle to this too,because the questions are fun,
but they also highlight therelationships we build with
these fictional characters, andI think that that's really
powerful stuff, because if youspend your time with fictional
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characters or real people foryears and years of your life,
you do start to understand whattheir strengths are and what
kind of fun situations it wouldbe great to have them in Like
friendships.
You know, like I picked Dantebecause I want to hang out with
dante.
I just think that would be funat work, even if he does end up
(44:40):
shooting my computer with hisguns because it's not working
and then saying it's my fault.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Yeah, um, let me ask you a question, though do you
think, if you met dante in reallife and he wasn't out killing
and murdering people, I bet he'spretty chill.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
He murders demons.
I don't think he kills anypeople.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
No but.
I bet he's pretty chill.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Absolutely yeah, he's so laid back In my book.
I gave him the jester archetypebecause he's always cracking
jokes, kind of like howSpider-man does it in marvel
comics.
You know like, yeah, he handleshis business in combat, but
he's wise, cracking and makingfun of the whole situation all
the time.
And dante has that.
(45:26):
You know, there's a, yeah,there's a.
There's a hat that he gets in.
Devil may cry five that becomesa weapon.
It's from, it's based on uh, drfaustus, right so it's yeah so,
but when he gets the hat, it'sthe same hat that michael
jackson wears, I think in thebilly jean music video.
(45:47):
He does the whole michaeljackson dance like in the middle
of a boss fight.
The boss fight stops so that hecan just be Michael Jackson for
90 seconds or something likethat.
It's amazing.
It's an amazing video gamemoment.
It makes you realize thatyou're trying to save the world
(46:08):
and the fate of all existencefrom the most powerful demons
that can be summoned.
But let's do an entire tributeto Michael Jackson right now,
and I think that things likethat are fun and they bring
levity and they remind you toenjoy yourself, even when things
(46:28):
feel like you're on thestruggle bus, and that kind of
is what video games are allabout at a certain level yeah
man so I I don't know where togo from there.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Hey, well, I think that I have a challenge for you.
Well, I think that I have achallenge for you.
All right, let's do it.
No-transcript okay.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Well, I want to bring up one thing that does tie back
to where we were 20 minutes agodid you just avoid my goddamn
question no, I'm gonna answer it, but I need to.
I need to share something thathappened earlier today.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
I know I want a yes or a no, like challenge accepted
, or am I gonna be a wuss likewhat the fuck?
You can't?
No, no, stop.
Challenge accepted or I'm awuss.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Those are the two answers I want to say yes,
marcus.
The reality is, I don't know ifI will have two hours to play.
How many days a week do youstream?
Well, I missed my stream today.
So two or three.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Okay, and how many hours do you usually stream on a
stream?
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Asking me to play a backlog game on my stream is
very different than asking me toplay a backlog game for two
hours.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
It's the same shit.
That's when you're playingvideo games.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
I really like being able to focus on new stories and
get my thoughts oriented aroundthem.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
Hmm, new stories.
Mass Effect Legendary Edition.
Ooh, that's a new story and youcan get your thoughts around it
.
Next Ooh, that's a new storyand you can get your thoughts
around it.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Next.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
See, I don't know if I'm in the mood for Mass Effect
right now.
It doesn't have to be MassEffect.
Actually, can I backtrack?
I challenge you to play StarWars, the Old Republic, for two
hours this week.
I have a 30-day subcode you canuse Boom Next.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
I could do that.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Oh shit, I said no.
I want to hear you saychallenge accepted.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
You're freaking me.
I can't keep my face straight.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Well, that's the point of a podcast.
This is what two friends do toeach other.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Your ass got called out, so hard right now.
I'm too weak, don't let himkill me.
Anakin, you are the chosen one,okay, yeah.
So I will say, challengeaccepted, that I will enter this
(49:25):
week with the intention to playStar Wars the Republic for two
hours.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Perfect One stream Star Wars the Republic.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
I didn't say stream, that's a different thing.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
I think your fans would love that.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
I know they would.
It's really hard.
I actually have a fear insidethat it will be a lot of
nostalgia, but it will be a lotof emotions.
I don't want while the camerais on me.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
I think so, as much as I agree, but I think you
create a new character Brand newI have like 21 characters.
Why do I need to create anotherone?
So?
Speaker 2 (50:06):
you're starting fresh Okay.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
And you just create a new character and you pick
something that you don't do Goto Korriban Right and enjoy that
Sith code.
Yeah, Sith code, you know aswell as I do.
There is nothing during thatopening planet of the first two
hours of that game.
That's disappointing.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Marcus, I don't know.
Do you have any tattoos?
Yeah, okay, I have beenthinking for a while about what
tattoo would I want if I had one.
I'm really excited right nowyeah, I know, that's why I
interrupted you.
I try to be polite, but I waslike not with me if I don't if
let this moment go, I'm nevergoing to talk about it on the
(50:48):
show.
So there is a circle on all ofJoseph Campbell's books.
It's a Zen circle.
It's used in things that aremeditative, so if you go to a
place with like yoga ormeditation, they might have this
circle in their logo.
All of Joseph Campbell's bookshave it on the binding or on the
(51:09):
front cover and the gamer'sjourney has it.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
I got it at the hero's journey yep, yep, here
the yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
So that circle is the hero's journey, right?
Speaker 1 (51:21):
okay, like if you see it I see it.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
I was thinking today about different fictional
characters that have tattoosthat I think are really cool.
And in Full Metal Alchemistthere is a character named Scar.
Okay, he has a scar on his faceand he has tattoos on his left
and his right arm.
His right arm destroys thingsand his left arm can heal things
(51:47):
, and the tattoos are how hedoes that.
I don't want to do full armtattoos on both arms, but I was
thinking about things that arelike light and dark, that I am a
fan of, and so Star Wars cameup.
I don't want to put the code ofthe Sith or Jedi on my arm.
(52:07):
That's a lot of words, that'snot really what I want.
But I was thinking what if Ihad a chain?
I'm just like contemplatingthis.
It's like a complete, it's likea work in progress.
But what if I had like a chainthat like wrapped around a few
times across my forearm but it'sbroken in the middle by the zen
(52:29):
circle?
Because finishing that book ismy victory and through victory I
gain strength.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
My chains are broken look at the chat right now look
at the chat looking.
Now.
Look at the chat looking.
I'm looking.
Hang on, let me catch up towhere we're at, so where I'm
gonna go with what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
So I've always wanted this tattoo oh yeah, it's the
republic in the sith empireright there, just a cut circle
right.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
But I want I want the jedi or the republic on the
bottom and I wanted to have thesith on the top on my arm and
have the red border of the, theimperial logo, bleeding down
over the top of the jedi logo orvice versa.
(53:25):
Probably, probably, actually Isaid that backwards.
I want the Jedi logo bleedingon top of the Sith because I'm
natural Jedi bleed.
No, no, no, Because I'mnaturally like my the way I jump
at things.
It sounds like I'm a Sith, butreally, at heart, I'm a Jedi,
like I really, you're just avery lovable puppy dog that we
(53:46):
need to pet.
Right, exactly, the guys atwork call me the golden
retriever of facilities, rightlike you, are a golden retriever
, marcus right, so that's.
I hope my friends never hearthis conversation, but anyway,
so I always wanted that tattoobut so, so hear me out.
A new challenge has arisen, ohno, so I am coming out in
(54:13):
January.
I'm going to be out there for10 days for my daughter's
birthday.
Let's go get a tattoo together.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
I can't say yes to that right now, marcus.
Okay, because it's fun to thinkabout.
I don't know if I'm at thepoint where I actually want to
do it, so this is calledcontemplation.
Yeah Right, like I really am,I'm not even on the fence yet.
It's just like if I was goingto do it, what would it be?
And I want to have a goodanswer to that question that I
(54:44):
can be excited about, and I dothink the idea that I just
shared is interesting.
I I don't know if I want tolook at my arm every day of my
life and it's there, you knowwell, so I only have two and
they both mean something dearlyto me.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
But the tattoo I the the sith republic, uh, the
republic, sith empire, that'snot what I would get on my body.
Yeah, that would not be thetattoo.
But if you want like what I'msaying is, if you wanted to do
it I would contact the artistwho was going to do it prior to
and him and I would go back andforth, or her and I would go
back and forth, and I would.
(55:24):
I mean I would get what I wantbecause, believe it or not, it's
going to go on top of my heart.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
And uh so lovely.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
Well, it, yeah, um, it's for my grandma, but it's.
It's something that I want, but, needless to say, I would do
that with you.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
Yeah, no, it's, that sounds really, really fun.
Um, you know, you know the thething about that permanence,
right, like I remember a pointin time in my life where star
wars the old republic was thegame that I was gonna play
forever, and then it wasn't.
And so if something like thatcan break for me, then why would
(56:08):
I want a tattoo?
You know, and I was talkingwith another friend about this
earlier, um, and, and like shewas talking to me about all the
coverups that she has done,because as time goes on, it's
like I don't want this anymore,but we can turn it into that or
we can completely, like, dosomething over it, and that
sounds like a lot of work to metoo.
(56:30):
So I don't know, I just havebeen thinking about it.
I mean, clearly, I've beengoing through a lot of changes
and trying to get through lifeand enjoy life, and so there's
some things that, like in mytwenties, it's like no, I don't
need to do that.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
That's not me, and now I'm almost 40 and it's like,
no, I could do that.
That would be interesting.
What would it be?
You know you want it, and so Igot it yeah, and I've had a
sense.
And the second one connects meand my sister.
And it's silly but like mysister now lives in kansas city
and I get to see her, maybe,maybe twice a year, right, like
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we talk on the phone but wedon't get to see each other a
lot and I, whenever I like, Ihave that feeling of missing her
, or whatever.
I just I can look at that andgo, you know what, yeah, it's
permanent, but I'm fucking damnproud that I have that feeling
of missing her or whatever.
I just I can look at that andgo, you know what?
Yeah, it's permanent, but I'mfucking damn proud that I have
that, because she has the sameexact thing, just a different
part of her body, right?
Speaker 2 (57:33):
And it's fun yeah.
Speaker 1 (57:35):
Like I've never put like a name on me.
You know what I mean.
It has to be a symbol butanyway we could put a name in
orabesh.
Speaker 2 (57:50):
Well, nick did that for my grandma yes, he has
something written in arbush ontop of his heart oh, our bash is
a star wars language.
Speaker 1 (57:54):
Everybody um I love the fact that you explain to
everybody you have.
You're so thorough that youhave to explain to everybody.
You don't leave anything tochance that they can do the
google you can't google whenyou're driving in a car?
Speaker 2 (58:09):
sure you can, yeah, but your your uh car insurance
app is going to tell you thatyour rates are going up yeah but
I I just want to emphasize, too, that the ideas we're talking
about for these tattoos.
They're from video games orproperties that have video games
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attached to them, because theseare the stories that ended up
mattering to us moralstorytelling in the way that
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some of the oldest stage playsused to, and get us to
understand the battle betweengood and evil and the balance
between right and wrong.
And that's, in my opinion,where video games really give us
something these days, and thatkind of thing, whether it was
Heavy Rain and trying to help adad find his child who got
abducted by a serial killerTragic story, but like it got me
(59:18):
.
I was in grad school the firsttime I played it and it got me.
I got every ending in that gamebecause I I had to see all the
different ways it can play out,the happy ones in the
devastating ones.
Uh, video games do that right,the same way Netflix
documentaries do.
But you know what?
We played it and it was ourchoices that got us there.
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We're not just watching it, um,did you?
Speaker 1 (59:41):
know I bought.
I bought a PS three just forthat game.
Speaker 2 (59:47):
That is a solid choice, Marcus.
Like Heavy Rain, is seriouslyone of the most compelling video
game stories I have ever comeacross.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
But I remember getting it and I hadn't used a
PlayStation controller since thePlayStation 1.
Like a couple times a PS2.
Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
X and Square was probably used a playstation
controller since the playstationone likea couple times, a ps2 x
and square was probably such abig problem, dude, when I was
telling you to press circle.
Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
I'm looking at, I'm like what the fuck is circle?
Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
circle.
Where's b?
Yeah, where's b?
yes, and then you throw in anintendo controller and it's all
messed up like get out of hereso, marcus, I'm okay with xbox
because I play elden ring on pcand I know that y is triangle,
right like it's it's.
It's not a problem.
The thing that kills me is theswitch.
(01:00:37):
What the heck nintendo?
Why is everything backwards?
You know what it's backwardscompared to the super nintendo?
Like I don't understand what'swrong with nintendo.
You know what it's backwardscompared to the super nintendo.
Like I don't understand what'swrong with nintendo.
You know what?
Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
nintendo did the middle finger to everybody out
there no, okay, like I did I.
Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
we had a really good response from the the tweet
about the gaming persona thismorning too.
Um, just putting front center.
We're talking about the switchprice.
People are so fascinated theycan't get enough of that
conversation.
We are running into likeovertime here.
I don't really care, I'm havingso much fun talking about this.
Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
This is our longest together.
Now, I didn't realize that, Ididn't realize that we're on a
time limit.
Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
No, we're not.
I just wanted to call out thatthis is officially our longest
episode together.
Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Now, it's because you haven't, because my chains are
broken.
Buddy, if you give me theopportunity, I can start talking
, and and you took like a 15minute challenge that you had to
think about.
Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
That's true too.
Also, when we're talking aboutthings I'm really passionate
about, the conversation neverends.
Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
I know we've talked today.
We talked for like an hour onthe phone.
Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Marcus, we've been talking about star Wars, the old
Republic, since 2017.
And that conversation has neverreally ended, it's just paused,
yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Well, do you know, what's really exciting is that
you're going to be playing starWars a Republic for two hours
this week.
Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Yeah, continue the journey Everyone.
Welcome to the Gaming Persona Podcast.
I'm MarcusB814.
I'm joined by my esteemed bestfriend, dr Gameology, and we're
here to talk about video gamesand sidebars.
Why?
Because that's what I do I'mhere for the sidebar, he's here
to drop psychology on you, andthis is our show right now,
(00:21):
right now Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Marcus, have you heard of the Yoga Book laptop by
Lenovo?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Not yet, but I'm looking at it right now.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I have to get one.
I don't know when I'm going toget one, but I feel like it
would change my work from homelife dramatically.
Like Q O L, off the charts.
That's quality of life forpeople.
Like off the charts,improvement of my life in every
way.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Hold on, I'm looking at it.
So it's just a tablet, but youcan turn it vertical.
Wait, it's a book.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
It's two tablets that you can fold any way.
That two tablets connect on ahinge so it can be two vertical
screens sitting upright with thewireless keyboard just on the
table, but the wireless keyboardmagnetically latches onto the
bottom screen.
(01:20):
If you want to do traditionallaptop like one screen flips up,
you have the keyboard there andthen the top half of the bottom
tablet that the keyboard islatched onto gives you an app
display so you can see thingslike the weather or the stocks
or Google News or your favoritevideo game websites, top stories
(01:40):
of the day, just right there onyour keyboard.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Wow, it's so, so it's two grand uh, yes, yeah, I mean
that's.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
That's where it starts, just in terms of what
the technology is and what, whatthe storage that you're aiming
for entry-level graphics like Iwonder, can you get it with like
?
Hold on.
This would be definitely just awork laptop.
I don't think that there's toomany games on Steam I'd be
installing on it.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
There's got to be a way to get.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
So you're trying to figure out.
How do we get a better graphicscard into this thing?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, figure out, how do we get a better graphics
card into this thing?
That's right.
Yeah, I just look at like it's.
You know the biggest difficultyfor me getting out of this
office when I have all day towork and it's just so nice to
spend a little bit of time in mybedroom or in the living room.
But sometimes you still gottakeep the work stuff moving
forward.
And my current laptop is agaming laptop.
(02:45):
I've had it for seven years.
I bought it the day that Ireturned to Florida and it just.
It just overheats.
It's got too much power insideit.
It's like the death star, butit doesn't have the thing that
moderates the heat, and so itjust goes.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, heat, and so it just goes.
Yeah, so this is just this, isthis is a, this is a work slash
like, yeah, it's a work machineyeah, it's a work machine yeah,
it summarizes documents.
It's got cloud-based ai uh,basic image generation.
(03:24):
Yeah, this is a mid-gradeprocessor, great for most tasks.
Yeah, it's a work, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I could play Journey on it, though I guarantee that.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, but like how many times are you going to play
Journey on a laptop?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I've played Journey like a hundred times, marcus.
I have it as an iPhone app.
No, I get.
No, I get it.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I'm just changing it is.
It's a life change.
I get it.
I get it.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I've never played it you know what, though, marcus?
You haven't played it, but oneof the coolest things that I
ever got to do in my life waswith Nick, your cousin, right,
that's the connection yeah yeah,so formerly working class nerds
.
For everyone who doesn't know,we're on the gaming persona.
Marcus's old show was calledworking class nerds.
(04:15):
He did it with nick for like ahundred years, okay eight years
and did like 500 episodes.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
No 252, I think.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
That's a lot of episodes Like you're lapping the
gaming persona here, but youknow you also have four extra
years before the gaming personaexists.
Anyway, that's not what we'retalking about.
Nick, such a stand-up guy.
Such a stand-up guy.
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There was a trophy that Ineeded in Journey that required
me to play the game walking sideby side with another traveler.
And you can't co-op that game.
You just gotta find a randomperson and walk with them.
And he kept logging into thegame until we ended up in the
same spot and then we played thewhole 45 minutes of the game
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together.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I remember that.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
We got to the top of the mountain and he got me that
trophy and then that left mewith only one trophy left and I
platinum did the next morning,Cause I I just was like this
game means so much to me, I havegot to earn the platinum trophy
.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
But isn't every game that way that you play?
You have to platinum trophy it.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Marcus, I'm going to share something I'm ashamed to
say out loud with themicrophones on, but I'm going to
say it because it's the truth.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
It's just us talking.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I only have 25 platinum trophies.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Okay, but what are the 25 game platinum trophy?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Devil May Cry 4, elden Ring, star Wars wars.
The force unleashed one and two.
Um, there's a doctor who gamein there.
That I thought was pretty coolbut honestly it was kind of like
a iphone game that just endedup on ps3.
But I still love doctor who.
Um, you know, there's there's.
(06:27):
There's some other one, heavyrain is in there such a good one
of them one of the best ever.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I so do.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
You know what penny arcade is I do know what penny
arcade is so you know how theydo their strip comics.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I do so.
Uh, I have a strip I next fornext show.
I'll have it, I'll put it up.
It's one of my favorite comicstrips because you can order um
comic strips from them and theycome in like a nice, like thick
stock paper and it's printedacross and it's the agent or the
(07:02):
cop and it says now that we'vecaught the origami killer, we
have a new serial killer.
It's the balloon animal killerand it's like a balloon animal
and it's of a pony.
Are you pulling up that comicstrip?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I'm trying to pull up a couple things here, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I can find a Balloon animal killer.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Penny arcade so what.
I'm actually doing is I'mtrying to convince the
algorithms to still love me,because I fell behind on social
media.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Oh, here it is today.
There you go this.
Oh yeah, so I'm sending onsocial media today.
Oh, here it is.
There you go this.
Oh yeah, so I'm sending youthis right now.
See, can I do?
Is there a chat in our?
Oh, there is a chat here.
Where's the chat?
Where do I type in the chat?
How do I type?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
With your keyboard, Marcus.
I can't see where the chat.
How do I type With yourkeyboard, Marcus?
I?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
can't see where the chat window is.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
W-A-S-D strafe with Q&E, you know, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Now paste.
I just sent it to you I sentyou the link.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Thank you, check that out.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, check that out so Heavy Rain was such a good
game.
I did not be or really playdetroit become human yeah, that
one was very good.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
It definitely had technological advances over
heavy rain, but I prefer thestory of heavy rain drinking
tonight, doc I have no beverageright now.
Wow, that's just terrible.
Yeah, where is all the rum gone?
In jack sparrow's belly you gotthe reference, that's cool, um,
(08:56):
anyway.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
So what I was saying is those games are such a good
like key into people's minds.
Yeah, because each like eachmovement is controlled, right?
I remember in Heavy Rain therewas a moment in your hotel and
I'm just going to use it andyou're with a female and it's
(09:20):
like kiss, grab her boob, slapher booty, and it's like what
the fuck am I getting into rightnow?
Right, and it was wild thatthey went that far with it.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, you also just made me remember three more of
my platinum trophies.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Oh, let's hear them.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
They come from a similar timeline.
Bioshock and bioshock infiniteare both games that I've
platinumed, and then after that,the very next one was the last
of us, and also resident evil.
Four, five and six are all inthere too okay, respectable oh
(10:14):
also resident evil two and threethe remakes.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
I think I've only platinum or or got all of the
achievements Xbox unlocked inone game.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I think that we should bring people with us,
just in case we have some peoplein my line of work that aren't
in the gamer side.
It's important to know whatwe're even talking about.
What's a platinum trophy,marcus?
Speaker 1 (10:40):
It's when you complete every achievement
that's in a video game.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, including the ones that have no purpose.
It's just the game companythinks it would be fun if you
tried to do it.
So it's like you have to getyour skills up and find the
right situations to do thingsthat are impressive.
It's like a scavenger hunt ofactivities inside the game, so
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you have all kinds of differentthings like beat the game on the
highest difficulty.
That's a very normal one.
You usually get a gold trophyfor that.
But then there's also get a100-hit combo without getting
hit, and that could be a bronzeor a silver, depending on how
hard it is to actually do that,and when you have completed
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everything in the list, that'swhen they give you the platinum
trophy sure, well, so the onlygame that I've ever gotten the
achievement for 100% is it'scalled Naruto the Last Airbender
, or something like that.
(11:52):
Avatar the Last Airbender.
Yes, that's it Naruto andAvatar are not the same thing,
Marcus.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
That's because when the Xbox 360 came out, everybody
was obsessed with getting allyour gamer points out, like
everybody was obsessed withgetting all your gamer points,
yeah.
And so this game had fiveachievements and it was all
combos, so you could literally100 the game in five minutes
because it just had to do withcombos.
Literally it took me 20 minutesto get that that kind of thing
still exists.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Do you know that I was able to unlock stellarar
Blade from the PlayStation Storelast year, but I didn't have to
pay for it because my gamerpoints were enough over the
years to just get it for freebecause it was in the list of
redemptions.
One month I was like I wasgoing to buy this when it went
(12:41):
on sale in the future becauseit's a hack and slash with
pretty girls, that's totally mything.
And, um, yeah, I didn't have tobuy it because I just get all
these achievements sure I I can,I can respect and understand
that you're.
You're a pro gamer well, yeah,but I also make youtube videos
(13:03):
about all these characters,archetypes, that the internet
apparently likes yeah I guess ifyou add psychology to it, then
it's serious stuff, marcus myeye is rolling so hard right now
listen, listen.
(13:26):
You gotta understand whatmotivates you, marcus oh, I know
what motivates you and you knowwhat motivates me yeah, so like
it's really important thatCloud defeats Sephiroth, but
it's also really important thathe goes on a date in the Golden
Saucer with Tifa Lockhart.
And if you don't get the datewith Tifa Lockhart, what's the
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point of defeating Sephiroth?
Marcus?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I don't know.
You win the game.
You save the bad guys.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Marcus, you've got to play Final Fantasy VII Remake
so that you can hang with mehere.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
So, Marcus, what you are playing, though, is Elden
Ring.
Can you tell us how that'sgoing?
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So I don't understand .
Well, alright, so I'm backcompletely in love with it.
I'm still in crumbling PharmaAzula.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Pharma, pharma, pharma Like the pharmaceutical
company.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, yes.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
This is where the tarnished get their drugs.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yes, it clearly is.
There's a never ending supplyof nose candy, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Keep going.
I just love that you saidpharma, because you know that
means something very different.
All right, keep going.
Just love that you said pharma,because you know that means
something very different allright, keep going anyways.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I have decided that and granted, like there's the
tree sentinels in the game andthese bell bearing hunters, and
I have decided they are thehardest bosses in the game for
me.
I get my butt whooped by themall the time.
So I'm finally at the end ofpharma azula.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
It's sponsored by pfizer and oh man, that's so
good yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
So anyway, I'm finally at the end and I can see
the main boss door.
I know I'm at the end becauseI'm finally at the end and I can
see on the map it's a big ring.
So I'm like this is the bossbattle, but it's being protected
by this dragonic tree Sentineland I know he's not that hard.
But they give me such a hardtime Every time I fight them, no
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matter where they are in theworld, that I think I've died 12
times and I'm gonna beat themand but what's gonna be funny is
I'm gonna beat them and thenI'm gonna go into the boss fight
and I'm gonna die a lot in theboss fight, but it's gonna be
easier for me to fight the bossthan the dragonic tree sentinel.
(16:05):
It's a way it always goes inthose like bell bearing hunters
that have like the Jedi swords.
It just doesn't go.
Few with me.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
They should not be as difficult as they are, but they
are a bitch you know what,sometimes the way that you play
and the way that you move andthe way your instincts are with
that controller in your hand, itjust is a bad matchup.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Xbox controller.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I'm not talking about which controller you choose to
use.
I'm talking about the brainthat's using it.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Well, yeah, I agree.
So I'm an erratic Elden Ringplayer.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I'm not calm.
I'm not calm, right?
Speaker 1 (16:46):
no, I'm not come with the force, the force is with me
it's not me, like I'm the guythat's always going for the
extra hit, right?
Yeah, I'm not a patient gamerand, like Elden, I'm amazed at
how well.
It's taken me a long time.
I think it's taken me 105 hours.
(17:07):
I think I've played at a totalof like 140, but in this run is
109, and I'm not even at the endof the game, right?
So the point is is I've taken avery long time to get to where
I am, but it took me a long timeto even understand the
mechanics of the game.
But I still don't even get itall.
(17:29):
Like I've never used one of therune arcs.
I've never used a like thething that the remembrance thing
.
I've never cashed in remembrancethings, in those like watch
walking, like mausoleum things.
There's so many things thatI've skipped and done which I'm
(17:51):
gonna regret not finishing.
You know what I mean, and, yes,I can do it in new game plus.
But my point is I know thatwhere I'm at and I'm at a
crossroads in the game, so I'mgoing to beat this dragonic tree
Sentinel asshole and I have achoice to make I either have to
a go back to Lindell and do allthe things that I have not done,
(18:15):
which is like there's some likesubterranean stupid grounds or
something like that, shunninggrounds.
That's stupid grounds and like Ihaven't done that, I have not
killed mog the lord of blood,but I've been to him.
You know, I pulled him oncebecause I wanted the dragon, the
(18:36):
dragon, ancient dragon, sombersmithing stone, so I could max
out my moon veil, all of thosethings right.
My point is I have not, likeI'm not at the point of no
return, so I I have a decisionto make, it's I'm gonna beat
this draconic tree sentinel.
And then I have to stop and askmyself, do I want to stop and
(19:00):
go back to lindell and finish?
The thing that I know is there,because I know you fight Moog
there before you fight him asthe Lord of Blood.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
So I have to ask myself, do I want to go back and
do that or just say, fuck itand let's finish the game?
And that's where I'm verydifferent from you.
You know where I'm verydifferent from you.
You know, and I feel like I'mmissing so many hidden, hidden
things in the game.
There's so many hidden things inelden ring right and and and I
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know there's, like there's stillcaves that I haven't been in.
You know that I haven't evenfound because I really haven't
explored like I haven't.
I've killed one dragon in thegame.
You know that I haven't evenfound Cause I really haven't
explored Like I haven't.
I've killed one dragon in thegame.
You know, do I go kill thedragons before I cause?
I don't want to get to thepoint of no return and regret it
because I don't know if I'mgoing to do new game Plus.
I don't know.
(19:58):
You know what I mean.
What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I have a foot rest on my chair.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Oh, I thought you were grabbing a controller and
you were going to play someelden ring while we're talking.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
But we totally could do that.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I couldn't, because all I would do is swear that's
all you do when the mics arealive.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
No, that's not true.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I'm actually if if you are restrained if on this
podcast I would say I'm ratedlike pg-13 yeah where on working
class nerds, I was straight xlike I didn't give a fuck?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
oh well, there's our one f-bomb from you for the
whole show sir, but you droppedthem three times today yeah, but
that was clinically valid wow,anyway, moving on, I'm just
gonna move on a little bit.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
So there's, there's things in elden ring like I see
on the map, but I have no ideawhat it is like if you pull up
the map real quick, they'llbring that.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yep, and I'm getting it.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
You just keep talking yeah, so in the mountaintops of
the giants there's a red circle.
I have no idea what that redcircle is.
Never eat shred, okay.
So it's all all way east, southof the pond or the lake, right,
and I've kind of explored thelake, but not really.
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I know that there's a dungeonthere.
I don't know, it's not called.
Maybe it's called the Shaded no, not the Shaded Castle.
I don't know what it's called,but I have not done that.
You know what I mean.
So there's a bunch of thingsthat I know I haven't done.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
You actually don't need to worry about that red
mark, marcus.
Why?
Because you've alreadycompleted Volcano Manor.
There's two ways to get toVolcano Manor.
One way is you assassinate theperson who stole the locket and
you become friends with the girluntil she teleports you there.
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The other way is to go win acertain number of PvP matches
against the three red marks onthe map, which means if you go
that route, you're not gettingto Volcano Manor until you're
ready for endgame, because thatlast one is in the mountaintops
of the Giants.
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I'm pretty sure that's whatthat red mark is.
Oh, mark is Marcus, mark isMarcus.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Well, I don't know, but like that's the thing.
So I guess what I'm saying is Ihave a decision to make and I
don't know what to do.
Part of me is like okay, I'm atthe precipice of the end game.
Yep, stop and go enjoy thethings.
(23:00):
That is Elden Ring, because Idon't think I'm going to start
the game over.
You say that, no, I'm gonna.
so what I'm gonna my plan was isbeat the game, go back into the
world, clean up whatever andthen go into the dlc that's a
(23:25):
good plan before, because what Idon't want to do is go into the
dlc in new game plus and it'dbe extra harder than it needs to
be because I'm already going toget my butt whooped in the DLC.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
My problem with the DLC right now is actually that
my character is on their sixthjourney.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Oh yeah, dude, you should be doing it like they
said.
You should not go in that inNew Game Plus.
I really don't want to play alevel one character but see,
okay, so that's my point andthat's that's where I'm at.
But no matter what happens withelden ring, when I beat elden
ring I beat the elden beast, Iget the the ending with my wife
(24:13):
and I do whatever with her and Idon't know what happens.
No.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Oh, ronnie, ronnie, okay.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I hope that's the ending I got because I finished
her quest line so I'm praying Iget her ending, but I'm not sure
, did you get the giant moonblade?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yes, okay, that's good.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
So like I saw her true form, that's good.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
So like I saw her true form.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
So I'm hoping I have her ending.
That's what I was going for,but anyway, moving on.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
If you defeat the final bosses you have to.
You have to make sure that youreassemble the Elden Ring
correctly, because you will havea choice sitting in front of
you and behind you.
Just make sure you look atwhich rune you pick up.
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Marcus, because there is anending where I wanted Ronnie's
ending, but I picked to do thedefault repair on the Elden Ring
and so I got the default endingfirst.
I had to beat the game a secondtime to get Ronnie's ending.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Even though I did her whole quest both times,
somebody said you can create aseparate save file I don't know
how to do that so you canactually just keep repeating all
the endings that you'veunlocked on the pc version.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
There is a way to do that with using, uh, save
scumming basically, which iswhere you just go back to a save
that shouldn't be accessible,or, you know, like in video
games, you just reload your saveso you can replay something
right, um, or you can manipulateyour ending, because if
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something doesn't go your way,you just stop playing, load your
save, go back five minutes, tryagain, and so, uh, if you're,
if you're a noble gamer, theywant you to believe that
whatever happens is myplaythrough and I'm going to
accept and that's so.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
That's my point.
That's probably the way I'mgoing to do it, because I am way
too impatient, and I'm justgoing to want to do it because
I'm going to be excited.
But I I've I've rambled on longenough about it.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
My point is I'm I'm interested in this because it's
such a cool game and you're sucha cool person and I I just want
to see all that coolnesscollide and it fucks with my
head.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
And if there's a game that has fucked with my head
and yes, that's three times thatrated R Marcus is out.
Ooh, this game messes with meso much psychologically, like
when I fight a boss, literally,I should check my watch to see
what my heart is beating.
I can feel it beating in mychest right.
This game messes with me somuch and the point is right.
(27:00):
The point I'm trying to make isthat I love it so much and I
don't want it to end, but I knowthat when I beat the game I am
going to take a break from it.
I don't want it to end, but Iknow that when I beat the game I
am going to take a break fromit.
I don't foresee myself goinginto New Game Plus or right into
(27:21):
the DLC.
There's another game I reallywant to play.
So I want to play that game,but I have to beat Elden Ring
first.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
What is that?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
game Final Fantasy 16 .
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Oh, I just started that Elden Ring first.
What is that game?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Final Fantasy 16.
Oh, I just started that on mystream yesterday.
I know I was anti-Final.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Fantasy 16 for you.
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (27:44):
You've already played it Like you've already it's New
Game Plus and I'm playing.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Final Fantasy mode.
I don't care I love the highestdifficulty.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
That is fine, but I look at it like I want your
natural reactions, like whenyou're playing a game that
you've already played, youalready know that Cloud is going
on a date with Tifa and she'sgoing to kissy kiss If I earned
it.
Well, right, but what you'regoing to because you're going to
platinum trophy it.
But my point, I guess so I'mgonna back up the point I'm
(28:17):
trying to make is that I wantedto see you play your next story
game like fresh, like you'replaying.
I'm gonna use mass effect as anexample.
You're playing mass effect forthe first time.
Everything that shepherd saysfrom you picking, is it going to
be femshep or manshep?
Right starting there and movingforward.
(28:40):
All of it is all new to you.
So all of the, the bad shitthat happens is fresh and
everybody sees your reaction.
That's the streaming I love.
You know.
You know what I mean like, likeor or first playthrough.
Like.
I love when people put in theirstreams first playthrough Elden
Ring or first playthrough DarkSouls, first playthrough Final
(29:03):
Fantasy 16, because people whoplayed the game that love the
game.
They tune in to see yourreaction and see where you're at
in the game.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, okay.
So here's the thing, marcus.
I love everything you just said.
There is a but coming though.
Oh, of course there is.
And for me, with the thingsthat I do with video games and
stories and in my professionallife, it really does benefit me
(29:32):
to go through things multipletimes, because you notice things
differently the more times yougo through it.
Like, how many times have youwatched Return of the Jedi in
your life, marcus?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Oh, a billion times.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Yeah, I watched Star Wars 5,000 times.
You know like from 30 Rock yeah.
Yeah, thousand times, you know,like from 30 rock, yeah, uh,
yeah, so, um, I really dobenefit from repeating through
stories because it helps thestory to become mythological to
me.
And final fantasy 16 I playedone time through two summers ago
(30:13):
.
I do not remember the detailsof what happens, I only remember
the broad strokes.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
But you still remember the big parts is the
point I'm trying to make.
I'm using Mass Effect as aplaceholder.
Mass Effect is dialogue andchoices and it's like you're
playing SWotor in sci-fi, sci-fiworld.
Right, you're making dialogue,choices, you're making those
choices and it's going to reallyaffect your game later.
(30:45):
And there's actual points inthe game where, because it
connects through three games,that if one of your characters
dies, it doesn't continue in thenext game.
That character's done.
Yeah, a lot of times you life isright, A lot of people restart
the game that restart their savepoint so that they can try to
(31:06):
save that character becauseyou're going to lose that whole
arc in the next game.
But my point is, I respect youa lot for what you're saying.
How playing it again?
But there is nothing betterthan a content creator playing
something for the first time, inthat reaction of something
natural happening.
(31:26):
It's the big points that areshocking.
I'll use myself with Elden Ringwhen I was running through the
lake in Limgrave.
I was streaming it and I'm likedo, do, do, do, do and there's
like this little like area wherethere's some enemies and I'm
killing some enemies and I jumpup on my, my noble steed and I'm
giddy up, giddy up, giddy up,giddy up, dude Right, and all of
(31:48):
a sudden a fucking dragon comesout of nowhere.
Dude I yeah that reaction took alike.
My chat was going bananasbecause I was just like you know
what I mean, because I neversaw it same thing with you with
a game that you've never seen.
Now I understand themythological part, but that
(32:10):
there's nothing like a freshfirst playthrough, first
reaction of when you meet thefirst jerk face in the game and
you're like, wow, that guy's areal asshole.
But in a game you've playedonce, two summers ago, you're
going to remember oh, I rememberthis guy.
He's an asshole.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
There's a part two to something I'm trying to figure
out for myself, and I'm justgoing to be completely open here
.
I am not good at followingstories when I'm streaming.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
And okay, and I agree and I agree.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, like if a cut scene happens, my natural
tendency is to dive into thechat or just talk about
something, and when the scene isover and I get to control my
character, now I'm back into thegame.
I don't stay attentive to thestory when I have the chance to
be social.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
So I challenge you and I agree is you're just going
to have to flip-flop that andyou're going to have to force
yourself and you can even put itin your stream chat.
It says during cut scenes I'mnot talking, it's my first
playthrough.
And then, as soon as the cutscene's over and you get access
to your character when you'rerunning around going pew, pew,
pew, pew, that and you getaccess to your character when
you're running around going pew,pew, pew, pew.
(33:35):
That's when you're talking topeople go, oh my God, johnny,
thanks, I didn't realize Taliahad such a nice booty.
No backseating, yeah, whatever,but I guess for me that's just
my view.
I really love watching firstplaythroughs.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
All right.
So here's what we'll do.
We're going to send an email toEA.
We're going to say I reallyneed to play mass effect, but
you got to pay me to do it.
And then they'll just, they'llsponsor me, and then I'll play
mass effect.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Can I sponsor you by buying you the mass effect
legendary edition.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I already have it on two.
I can play it two ways.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
I have it on two.
I can play it two ways.
I have it um gaming persona.
I don't have it on steam gamingpersona, fans, listeners,
friends of the show, friends ofmine, friends of doc, students
of doc, co-workers of doc.
I don't know if I've everbrought out my two favorite
words to doc right now, but he'sgonna get them.
Them Suck less, doc.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
It's part of my backlog.
It's part of my list of thingsthat I'm going to do one day.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Dude, one of these days we're going to talk about
our backlogs.
We're going to pull it up.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
It's devastating.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Well, mine is too.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah.
So a backlog for everybody thatdoesn't know, are the games
that you have bought becausethey were on sale and you own
them and you could totally playthem right now.
But you haven't played them,you haven't completed them, you
(35:09):
haven't even booted them up andgone to the main menu and said
new game.
You just own them for no reason, because someday we believe
that we will have the magicaltime to play the game.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
I'm going to find it.
I forget what it's called.
It's a shooter I bought and ithaunts me to this day.
Shit.
It begins with R.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
What is the game on your backlog that you want to
play the most, but you probablynever will?
Speaker 1 (35:39):
I'm looking at it right now, but I'm trying to
find this.
Oh, I bought this game.
It's called Red FactionGuerrilla Steam Edition.
Okay, I wanted to play this game.
So bad, let me click on it.
When did I buy it?
Does it show when I bought it?
No, it's only 7.51 gigs, soit's an Xbox 360 game.
(36:07):
What I'm looking at, my gamesof?
What game?
And oh, I can answer thatwithout a doubt.
Let me just double check beforeI confirm what that game is.
Sorry, it's.
(36:28):
Uh, yeah, I think I figuredthat out real quick.
Oh, oh, and I'm going back toQuantic Dreams.
It's called Indigo, prophecyIndigo.
Okay.
So All right, you ready here itis the one game that I want to
(36:49):
play, that I will never, everplay.
Is Tomb Raider?
Which one?
The new ones?
It can either be Rise of theTomb Raider or play.
Is Tomb Raider?
Which one?
The new ones?
It can either be Rise of theTomb Raider or the first Tomb
Raider.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
I kid you not, Marcus .
I don't know if you can tell.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
No, your screen is weird.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Well, you can kind of tell what those bottom six
games are?
I can't at all, I'm literallylooking at six Tomb Raider games
in my library right now tryingto figure out what my backlog is
, I'm going to say Red DeadRedemption 2.
I know it is, it's just rightthere, I could play it today and
(37:29):
I just I'm not going to Nothingagainst it.
I know I love it, I know I'dappreciate it.
I know I love it, I know I'dappreciate it, I know it would
matter to me.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Near Automata is also another one where I know I need
.
I've actually played theopening sequence of that game
two different times and it justI never go back to it.
And I need to.
It's Square Enix, I would loveit.
It has a crossover with myfavorite MMO right now, final
Fantasy XIV.
There's three alliance raidswhere you go into the world of
(38:03):
Nier Automata, and that isn'teven enough to convince me to
play it.
I need to play it.
I need to get a statue of 2b,put her back there behind me, do
an archetype video on youtubeand play near automata for the
(38:24):
first time, and then I will bedoing what you say will bring me
to the next level, marcus well,I didn't say it will bring you
to the next level.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
I'm telling you what I enjoy watching.
Hmm, I love watching for firstplaythroughs, like when I fight
that boss in a crumbling pharmaAzula sponsored by Pfizer.
I might stream that justbecause I know there's going to
be a lot of people that aregoing to want to see that.
(38:52):
Yeah, and maybe it's not likethe day I stream it, but it'll
be in the video after.
Cause people like watching that.
Anyways, I have to ask yousomething super important.
Okay, cause it's been on mymind for I don't know a couple
of days now.
If you could have one videogame character be your coworker,
(39:12):
who would it be and what wouldtheir job title be?
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Oh man, this is why I asked the questions, marcus.
I tweeted that out a coupledays ago and it was very
interesting to look at whatpeople came up with on the
different apps.
Oh my gosh, do you have ananswer for this question?
I'll answer first, but I'm justasking you.
No, I'm asking you I know I'mgonna, I'm asking you, okay, um,
so it.
(39:37):
I just think it would be reallycool to have dante from devil
may cry be a co-worker but whatwould their job title be?
um, I don't know, office jester,I don't know, like he, I, I, I
don't think I want him to be mysupervisor or manager.
I think he'd be very hard tomanage as well.
(40:00):
So, um, I, I think I mean jobtitles like I, I work at
university and I, I, I work withcounseling professionals.
So like I don't.
I don't know if dante would begood at that, but he'd probably
be like IT or something,something where you can just put
your feet up, eat pizza andjust say have you tried turning
(40:23):
it on and off again?
Jerk.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
He'd be your IT guy.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah, dante, from Devil May Cry my IT guy.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Is it plugged in?
What's Dante do At night orduring the day?
During the day, he's our IT guy.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Right?
No, I agree with you.
I 100% agree with you, 100agree with you what about?
Speaker 2 (40:57):
what about for you, marcus?
Speaker 1 (41:00):
so I have two.
One of them is kind of funnybecause it would be um ronnie
from elden ring okay.
And her job title would be HR.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Oh man, that's tough.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Can you?
Speaker 2 (41:20):
imagine the giant witch hat.
You can't see her face when youenter the room and you just
have to go in and talk about howthe manager is making the wrong
kind of comments.
Right, yeah, wow.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Yep, and then the other, my other one, it would be
Guile from Street Fighter, oohokay, and he would be the
security guard.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Okay.
I just had another one that Ithink would be super fun and
it's kind of because you saidGuile, I think, Captain Falcon,
oh, my god being the trainer fornew higher orientation.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Show me your moves.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
There's also so, going back to like the statues
in my youtube videos and who I'mattracted to in video games,
there's also some other onesthat are probably caused for hr
issues.
We're not talking about thoseon the show, right so everybody.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
The reason why I did that is because, doc, this week
he came out with somespectacular questions on social
media and I appreciated it and Idid not.
I think I answered one, I can'tremember, but I actually
thought about it all week and Iwas like I'm going to talk about
this on the show because he'sasking questions that don't
(42:52):
normally get asked.
He's asking questions thatdon't normally get asked and if
you know whether you answered itonline or not, but when you
hear us talk about it, thinkabout that answer and laugh to
yourself, because I thoughtguile, right away, because he's
just this army guy, air forceguy and he's like got the long
hair and his head's alwaysbobbing.
(43:12):
But like if he was your securityguard at a grocery store or a
mall paul blart, mall cop orwhatever that is he'd fuck you
up no, yeah, you're not gonna,you're gonna think twice about
stealing from with guiles aroundguys like eight feet tall, yeah
, or what.
What's that other uh fighterthat has uh the long like the
(43:34):
extendo legs?
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Dhalsim.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Yeah, Can you imagine if he was a security guard?
Like get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
You're not going to steal anything from that mall,
right Exactly.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Oh man.
Yeah, I don't remember whichquestion I answered, but I know
I answered one.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
But you know what?
I'm going to bring a little bitmore of that serious
psychological angle to this too,because the questions are fun,
but they also highlight therelationships we build with
these fictional characters, andI think that that's really
powerful stuff, because if youspend your time with fictional
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characters or real people foryears and years of your life,
you do start to understand whattheir strengths are and what
kind of fun situations it wouldbe great to have them in Like
friendships.
You know, like I picked Dantebecause I want to hang out with
dante.
I just think that would be funat work, even if he does end up
(44:40):
shooting my computer with hisguns because it's not working
and then saying it's my fault.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Yeah, um, let me ask you a question, though do you
think, if you met dante in reallife and he wasn't out killing
and murdering people, I bet he'spretty chill.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
He murders demons.
I don't think he kills anypeople.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
No but.
I bet he's pretty chill.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Absolutely yeah, he's so laid back In my book.
I gave him the jester archetypebecause he's always cracking
jokes, kind of like howSpider-man does it in marvel
comics.
You know like, yeah, he handleshis business in combat, but
he's wise, cracking and makingfun of the whole situation all
the time.
And dante has that.
(45:26):
You know, there's a, yeah,there's a.
There's a hat that he gets in.
Devil may cry five that becomesa weapon.
It's from, it's based on uh, drfaustus, right so it's yeah so,
but when he gets the hat, it'sthe same hat that michael
jackson wears, I think in thebilly jean music video.
(45:47):
He does the whole michaeljackson dance like in the middle
of a boss fight.
The boss fight stops so that hecan just be Michael Jackson for
90 seconds or something likethat.
It's amazing.
It's an amazing video gamemoment.
It makes you realize thatyou're trying to save the world
(46:08):
and the fate of all existencefrom the most powerful demons
that can be summoned.
But let's do an entire tributeto Michael Jackson right now,
and I think that things likethat are fun and they bring
levity and they remind you toenjoy yourself, even when things
(46:28):
feel like you're on thestruggle bus, and that kind of
is what video games are allabout at a certain level yeah
man so I I don't know where togo from there.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Hey, well, I think that I have a challenge for you.
Well, I think that I have achallenge for you.
All right, let's do it.
No-transcript okay.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Well, I want to bring up one thing that does tie back
to where we were 20 minutes agodid you just avoid my goddamn
question no, I'm gonna answer it, but I need to.
I need to share something thathappened earlier today.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
I know I want a yes or a no, like challenge accepted
, or am I gonna be a wuss likewhat the fuck?
You can't?
No, no, stop.
Challenge accepted or I'm awuss.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Those are the two answers I want to say yes,
marcus.
The reality is, I don't know ifI will have two hours to play.
How many days a week do youstream?
Well, I missed my stream today.
So two or three.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Okay, and how many hours do you usually stream on a
stream?
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Asking me to play a backlog game on my stream is
very different than asking me toplay a backlog game for two
hours.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
It's the same shit.
That's when you're playingvideo games.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
I really like being able to focus on new stories and
get my thoughts oriented aroundthem.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
Hmm, new stories.
Mass Effect Legendary Edition.
Ooh, that's a new story and youcan get your thoughts around it
.
Next Ooh, that's a new storyand you can get your thoughts
around it.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Next.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
See, I don't know if I'm in the mood for Mass Effect
right now.
It doesn't have to be MassEffect.
Actually, can I backtrack?
I challenge you to play StarWars, the Old Republic, for two
hours this week.
I have a 30-day subcode you canuse Boom Next.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
I could do that.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Oh shit, I said no.
I want to hear you saychallenge accepted.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
You're freaking me.
I can't keep my face straight.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Well, that's the point of a podcast.
This is what two friends do toeach other.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Your ass got called out, so hard right now.
I'm too weak, don't let himkill me.
Anakin, you are the chosen one,okay, yeah.
So I will say, challengeaccepted, that I will enter this
(49:25):
week with the intention to playStar Wars the Republic for two
hours.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Perfect One stream Star Wars the Republic.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
I didn't say stream, that's a different thing.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
I think your fans would love that.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
I know they would.
It's really hard.
I actually have a fear insidethat it will be a lot of
nostalgia, but it will be a lotof emotions.
I don't want while the camerais on me.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
I think so, as much as I agree, but I think you
create a new character Brand newI have like 21 characters.
Why do I need to create anotherone?
So?
Speaker 2 (50:06):
you're starting fresh Okay.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
And you just create a new character and you pick
something that you don't do Goto Korriban Right and enjoy that
Sith code.
Yeah, Sith code, you know aswell as I do.
There is nothing during thatopening planet of the first two
hours of that game.
That's disappointing.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Marcus, I don't know.
Do you have any tattoos?
Yeah, okay, I have beenthinking for a while about what
tattoo would I want if I had one.
I'm really excited right nowyeah, I know, that's why I
interrupted you.
I try to be polite, but I waslike not with me if I don't if
let this moment go, I'm nevergoing to talk about it on the
(50:48):
show.
So there is a circle on all ofJoseph Campbell's books.
It's a Zen circle.
It's used in things that aremeditative, so if you go to a
place with like yoga ormeditation, they might have this
circle in their logo.
All of Joseph Campbell's bookshave it on the binding or on the
(51:09):
front cover and the gamer'sjourney has it.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
I got it at the hero's journey yep, yep, here
the yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
So that circle is the hero's journey, right?
Speaker 1 (51:21):
okay, like if you see it I see it.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
I was thinking today about different fictional
characters that have tattoosthat I think are really cool.
And in Full Metal Alchemistthere is a character named Scar.
Okay, he has a scar on his faceand he has tattoos on his left
and his right arm.
His right arm destroys thingsand his left arm can heal things
(51:47):
, and the tattoos are how hedoes that.
I don't want to do full armtattoos on both arms, but I was
thinking about things that arelike light and dark, that I am a
fan of, and so Star Wars cameup.
I don't want to put the code ofthe Sith or Jedi on my arm.
(52:07):
That's a lot of words, that'snot really what I want.
But I was thinking what if Ihad a chain?
I'm just like contemplatingthis.
It's like a complete, it's likea work in progress.
But what if I had like a chainthat like wrapped around a few
times across my forearm but it'sbroken in the middle by the zen
(52:29):
circle?
Because finishing that book ismy victory and through victory I
gain strength.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
My chains are broken look at the chat right now look
at the chat looking.
Now.
Look at the chat looking.
I'm looking.
Hang on, let me catch up towhere we're at, so where I'm
gonna go with what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
So I've always wanted this tattoo oh yeah, it's the
republic in the sith empireright there, just a cut circle
right.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
But I want I want the jedi or the republic on the
bottom and I wanted to have thesith on the top on my arm and
have the red border of the, theimperial logo, bleeding down
over the top of the jedi logo orvice versa.
(53:25):
Probably, probably, actually Isaid that backwards.
I want the Jedi logo bleedingon top of the Sith because I'm
natural Jedi bleed.
No, no, no, Because I'mnaturally like my the way I jump
at things.
It sounds like I'm a Sith, butreally, at heart, I'm a Jedi,
like I really, you're just avery lovable puppy dog that we
(53:46):
need to pet.
Right, exactly, the guys atwork call me the golden
retriever of facilities, rightlike you, are a golden retriever
, marcus right, so that's.
I hope my friends never hearthis conversation, but anyway,
so I always wanted that tattoobut so, so hear me out.
A new challenge has arisen, ohno, so I am coming out in
(54:13):
January.
I'm going to be out there for10 days for my daughter's
birthday.
Let's go get a tattoo together.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
I can't say yes to that right now, marcus.
Okay, because it's fun to thinkabout.
I don't know if I'm at thepoint where I actually want to
do it, so this is calledcontemplation.
Yeah Right, like I really am,I'm not even on the fence yet.
It's just like if I was goingto do it, what would it be?
And I want to have a goodanswer to that question that I
(54:44):
can be excited about, and I dothink the idea that I just
shared is interesting.
I I don't know if I want tolook at my arm every day of my
life and it's there, you knowwell, so I only have two and
they both mean something dearlyto me.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
But the tattoo I the the sith republic, uh, the
republic, sith empire, that'snot what I would get on my body.
Yeah, that would not be thetattoo.
But if you want like what I'msaying is, if you wanted to do
it I would contact the artistwho was going to do it prior to
and him and I would go back andforth, or her and I would go
back and forth, and I would.
(55:24):
I mean I would get what I wantbecause, believe it or not, it's
going to go on top of my heart.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
And uh so lovely.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
Well, it, yeah, um, it's for my grandma, but it's.
It's something that I want, but, needless to say, I would do
that with you.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
Yeah, no, it's, that sounds really, really fun.
Um, you know, you know the thething about that permanence,
right, like I remember a pointin time in my life where star
wars the old republic was thegame that I was gonna play
forever, and then it wasn't.
And so if something like thatcan break for me, then why would
(56:08):
I want a tattoo?
You know, and I was talkingwith another friend about this
earlier, um, and, and like shewas talking to me about all the
coverups that she has done,because as time goes on, it's
like I don't want this anymore,but we can turn it into that or
we can completely, like, dosomething over it, and that
sounds like a lot of work to metoo.
(56:30):
So I don't know, I just havebeen thinking about it.
I mean, clearly, I've beengoing through a lot of changes
and trying to get through lifeand enjoy life, and so there's
some things that, like in mytwenties, it's like no, I don't
need to do that.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
That's not me, and now I'm almost 40 and it's like,
no, I could do that.
That would be interesting.
What would it be?
You know you want it, and so Igot it yeah, and I've had a
sense.
And the second one connects meand my sister.
And it's silly but like mysister now lives in kansas city
and I get to see her, maybe,maybe twice a year, right, like
(57:17):
we talk on the phone but wedon't get to see each other a
lot and I, whenever I like, Ihave that feeling of missing her
, or whatever.
I just I can look at that andgo, you know what, yeah, it's
permanent, but I'm fucking damnproud that I have that feeling
of missing her or whatever.
I just I can look at that andgo, you know what?
Yeah, it's permanent, but I'mfucking damn proud that I have
that, because she has the sameexact thing, just a different
part of her body, right?
Speaker 2 (57:33):
And it's fun yeah.
Speaker 1 (57:35):
Like I've never put like a name on me.
You know what I mean.
It has to be a symbol butanyway we could put a name in
orabesh.
Speaker 2 (57:50):
Well, nick did that for my grandma yes, he has
something written in arbush ontop of his heart oh, our bash is
a star wars language.
Speaker 1 (57:54):
Everybody um I love the fact that you explain to
everybody you have.
You're so thorough that youhave to explain to everybody.
You don't leave anything tochance that they can do the
google you can't google whenyou're driving in a car?
Speaker 2 (58:09):
sure you can, yeah, but your your uh car insurance
app is going to tell you thatyour rates are going up yeah but
I I just want to emphasize, too, that the ideas we're talking
about for these tattoos.
They're from video games orproperties that have video games
(58:31):
attached to them, because theseare the stories that ended up
mattering to us moralstorytelling in the way that
(58:51):
some of the oldest stage playsused to, and get us to
understand the battle betweengood and evil and the balance
between right and wrong.
And that's, in my opinion,where video games really give us
something these days, and thatkind of thing, whether it was
Heavy Rain and trying to help adad find his child who got
abducted by a serial killerTragic story, but like it got me
(59:18):
.
I was in grad school the firsttime I played it and it got me.
I got every ending in that gamebecause I I had to see all the
different ways it can play out,the happy ones in the
devastating ones.
Uh, video games do that right,the same way Netflix
documentaries do.
But you know what?
We played it and it was ourchoices that got us there.
(59:38):
We're not just watching it, um,did you?
Speaker 1 (59:41):
know I bought.
I bought a PS three just forthat game.
Speaker 2 (59:47):
That is a solid choice, Marcus.
Like Heavy Rain, is seriouslyone of the most compelling video
game stories I have ever comeacross.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
But I remember getting it and I hadn't used a
PlayStation controller since thePlayStation 1.
Like a couple times a PS2.
Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
X and Square was probably used a playstation
controller since the playstationone likea couple times, a ps2 x
and square was probably such abig problem, dude, when I was
telling you to press circle.
Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
I'm looking at, I'm like what the fuck is circle?
Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
circle.
Where's b?
Yeah, where's b?
yes, and then you throw in anintendo controller and it's all
messed up like get out of hereso, marcus, I'm okay with xbox
because I play elden ring on pcand I know that y is triangle,
right like it's it's.
It's not a problem.
The thing that kills me is theswitch.
(01:00:37):
What the heck nintendo?
Why is everything backwards?
You know what it's backwardscompared to the super nintendo?
Like I don't understand what'swrong with nintendo.
You know what it's backwardscompared to the super nintendo.
Like I don't understand what'swrong with nintendo.
You know what?
Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
nintendo did the middle finger to everybody out
there no, okay, like I did I.
Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
we had a really good response from the the tweet
about the gaming persona thismorning too.
Um, just putting front center.
We're talking about the switchprice.
People are so fascinated theycan't get enough of that
conversation.
We are running into likeovertime here.
I don't really care, I'm havingso much fun talking about this.
Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
This is our longest together.
Now, I didn't realize that, Ididn't realize that we're on a
time limit.
Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
No, we're not.
I just wanted to call out thatthis is officially our longest
episode together.
Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Now, it's because you haven't, because my chains are
broken.
Buddy, if you give me theopportunity, I can start talking
, and and you took like a 15minute challenge that you had to
think about.
Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
That's true too.
Also, when we're talking aboutthings I'm really passionate
about, the conversation neverends.
Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
I know we've talked today.
We talked for like an hour onthe phone.
Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Marcus, we've been talking about star Wars, the old
Republic, since 2017.
And that conversation has neverreally ended, it's just paused,
yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Well, do you know, what's really exciting is that
you're going to be playing starWars a Republic for two hours
this week.
Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Yeah, continue the journey Everyone.
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