August 21, 2025 • 33 mins
We explore the fascinating psychology behind who we become when playing games, from character creation choices to gameplay styles and completionist tendencies.
• Character creation preferences vary significantly between players – some create mirror images of themselves while others prefer to play as characters completely different from their real selves
• Dr. Gamology explains his preference for female characters with pink hair across multiple games
• Gaming researcher Nick Yee's work suggests game characters are designed primarily for the male gaze
• The Motivation for Playing Online Games questionnaire reveals different player types based on achievement, socialization, and immersion preferences
• Completionist gamers (who must find everything) and story-focused gamers (who primarily follow main quests) experience the same games in entirely different ways
• Elden Ring serves as a case study for how different play styles can lead to vastly different experiences in the same game
• Game preferences often reflect broader personality traits and entertainment preferences
• The Witcher 3 gets recommended as an excellent but potentially overwhelming story-driven experience
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Gaming Persona podcast.
This is the show that exploreswho we become when we play games
, whether you're saving kingdoms, leading epic raids or just
vibing in cozy indie worlds.
Join me, dr Gamology and mygood friend Marcus as we search
for all the ways gaming andpersonal growth collide.
Grab your controllers and let'scontinue the journey Now.
(00:21):
Continue the journey now.
So I returned to Final Fantasy14 this week.
Oh yeah, I did, yeah, and Ididn't even play a Lobey
character.
I played an endgame characterthat has not logged in in so
(00:42):
long that I have to reclaim myend game status by completing
story.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Oh my, goodness, no bunny tank, then huh.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
No, nobody tank.
I was my pink haired girl,because everybody knows that
when I play MMOs I have to be acutesy pink haired girl.
That's my thing, actually.
Even when I play Elden Ringgirl, that's my thing actually.
Even when I play elden ring I'mwell, it's ellen ring, so
you're not really cutesy.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
But you're still a pink haired girl, right, marcus.
Wait, what are you when youplay?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
elden ring.
He's a giant hat.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Giant hat, yeah I'm kung lao, kung lao, oh my gosh
are you saying what's on?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
like okay, that's yeah, what's under the?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
hat me oh so like bearded man he looks like you,
like, yeah, like I.
For me, I like.
Well, this is a great topic.
So character customization forme.
I don't want to pretend I'm afemale Like I want to be me in
(01:50):
the story.
I love that.
You know what I mean.
Okay, so when I'm playing EldenRing or Mass Effect, any of the
games I should say any of thegames I can customize my
character.
I want to have it look like me,my first character, because I
feel like me running around.
(02:10):
It makes me more immersed intothe game.
Now, if you get like in an mmo,when I create multiple
characters, that's when I branchout, but I usually branch out
to like.
I'll'll make one my daughter,one my wife, one my son, one my
dog, one my you know what I meanother dog, and obviously
(02:32):
they're humans, but I'll namethem after my dog like animals.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Okay, because the most game that I've ever played
with you, you were named afteryour daughter.
I'm assuming that character wasfemale, right?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
But that's not the first character I ever created.
Always, the first character isa mirror of me.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
What do you do in this area?
Doritos.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
It depends on my mood .
I know, when I started, myfirst character I ever created
in Sotor was a male Mary AllenDidn't look anything like me,
but I do give it charactertraits similar to me IRL.
Then see that one.
(03:29):
I got to a stagnant point,actually, when the game started.
I ended up hopping to like fourdifferent servers before I
found one that did not have alogin weight and created a
female sniper and that became mymain through well, even through
today sniper, and that becamemy main through well, even just
even through today.
So I'll play both sexes.
(03:50):
I'm not picky.
I try to create typically amale first with some character
traits similar to me, but, yeah,also some of.
If I had the ability to, youknow, dye my hair, change my,
you know, get tattoos, stufflike that that I would love to
(04:11):
do but don't do.
That's what I try to build acharacter as.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Okay, I usually do stick with human, ever since I
played Star Wars, the OldRepublic, where I did create
myself if I was a Sith, and thatcharacter is the one that I've
played for more than 365 days ofmy life.
But I have lots of alts on thataccount too, and most of them
(04:39):
are female, and I kind ofrecreate those characters in all
the other games that I play.
Like the names are the same.
Everything is a callback towhat I did in SWTOR Mm-hmm.
Oh, sorry, go ahead.
No go ahead, Marcus.
What do you got?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
But why?
The real question for me that Idon't understand is why do you
create a female?
Is it because it's going tosound really funny but let me
work through this with my headout loud but is it because you
imagine yourself being with thisfemale?
Is it you enjoy hearing thefemale voice of the character?
(05:19):
Is it that you like staring ata girl's butt while you're
running through the world like,what is the motivation for you
to create a pink haired female?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Listen, the dramatic extrovert outfit looks much
better on females than it doeson males.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Well, it does.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
OK, but so it's all of the above I mean.
So this was what a topic wayback when you started your
podcast.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, my mentor in research who created the
motivation for playing onlinegames questionnaire, nick Yee,
we talked about this and I willshare my own perspective after I
summarize what he said.
Basically, game developerscreate video game characters for
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the male gaze primarily.
That was the premise of what hesaid.
So males are designed so thatwhen a male player looks at them
, they see the things thatstereotypically they want to see
in dominant, effective malecharacters and female characters
the same when a male playerlooks at them.
(06:29):
They're designed to have thetraits and features that will
appeal to a male player as adominant, competent, effective
combat character.
But the outfits look better onthem.
The emotions come throughbetter in the female characters.
(06:49):
In my opinion, cooler outfits,you know, like I don't enjoy,
like camo gear, armor sets.
I don't want to look like astormtrooper and and I just
think that the outfits whetherit's the Old Republic or
Baldur's Gate or Elden Ring orFinal Fantasy 14, I just like
(07:13):
the way the female characterslook.
That could be as a male gameplayer.
As a man, I maybe do appreciatelooking at a female character
more if I'm staring hours at ascreen, but it's not exactly a
sexual thing.
It's more about when I made myfirst character in Final Fantasy
(07:36):
14, it was a male character andit didn't feel like I was a
compelling hero and I actuallyquit playing the game for months
and had no MMO that I wasplaying because I had quit
playing SWTOR but I hadn'tcontinued Final Fantasy XIV
after leveling up to about level15.
When I create a femalecharacter pink haired girl,
(07:59):
happy black mage loving life Iwanted to play every day I can't
explain it.
I mean I can use research toexplain what it is we're aiming
for when we do create ourcharacters.
My Solitor character was myletters of my name shuffled just
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a little bit to create thatStar Wars persona and that
character did not belong inFinal Fantasy XIV.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Do you prefer a movie with a female lead over a male
lead?
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, like Hunger Games, I enjoy a lot more than
everdeen, that's right.
Remember who the real enemy is,marcus yeah yeah, I mean.
I say that phrase, by the way,to my students all the time,
whenever I'm like interpreting apolicy for my class in a way
(09:03):
that benefits them, instead ofusing a rule to penalize them,
and like being the corporate guy, like I want to be the people's
champion, not the corporatechampion, you know.
Going back to the rock, rightlike yes, yes, I love, I love
the hunger games book so much Ihaven't read this one yet.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
My wife got it for me .
I think it's a prequel.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
It's a prequel.
There's a movie for it too.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Oh, okay, so I'll let you know.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, very good.
Yeah, I do tend to like femaleprotagonists more than males,
but that doesn't mean that amale protagonist is going to
turn me off to the movie.
But I really enjoyed theFantastic Four movie that just
came out because I thought SueStorm was amazing.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Sure, I guess for me it's, I guess, my question.
I'm just trying to connect thedots Right.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
When you the docs right.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
So do you prefer ray over luke skywalker?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
anakin skywalker is star wars it's not my you're.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
That's not the question I said.
Do you prefer Rey, becauseshe's the main role, versus Luke
?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
I prefer stories that are consistent within
themselves and are not foundedon errored logic.
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Well, that's really interesting because for me, I
feel like I'm the opposite.
I prefer a male main characterbecause maybe and maybe that
takes me back to my charactercreation, where I'm creating
myself when you're watching amovie and the male is the main
(11:06):
character.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I'm picturing myself as that in some way or not you
know, you said a key word acouple of minutes ago when you
were explaining what you'reaiming for.
You said immersion.
Yeah, and going back to gamingprofile stuff, back at the
beginning of our friendship, Igave you the motivation for
(11:28):
playing online gamesquestionnaire, because that's
what I do to my friends and wait, has doritos done it yet?
Nope, oh you haven't never havethe only.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Thing I've ever done that I shared was my
myers-briggs type that was thegamer.
I don't know, I've never takenthe gamer one.
Oh, you should.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I'll give it to you and we'll talk about our like,
we'll redo our results and wecan do that for a future episode
.
That could be great fun.
You should send it to me againbecause I can do it.
Yeah, my immersion scores arevery low, though that's not a
primary motivation category forme.
Immersion is basically roleplaying, discovery and
(12:07):
exploration.
Customization and escape, rightlike.
Those are not high for me.
I'm very much an achievementkind of person.
I'm.
I'm a mechanics and masteryperson and I'm a socialization
person and teamwork person.
So when I create a character,I'm just trying to create a
(12:32):
character that feels like itshould be the hero of this story
, because if I can make thestory more powerful for me, then
I'm going to have more ideasabout things I can write in the
psychology and the hero'sjourney and the mythology
connections, like when I'mrunning around in Claire Obscure
, expedition 33,.
You can choose which of thefive characters is your
(12:52):
runaround character.
I always pick Lunae because sheflies and that's freaking cool
and I just think that she hasthe best style, she has the best
look for running around thatworld.
But I could run around hisverse so if I wanted to, I just
don't choose to.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Does it matter?
Doritos, just to follow up onmy question to doc do you prefer
a male or a female lead in amovie, or does?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
it not matter?
It doesn't matter for me I in amovie, or does it not matter?
It doesn't matter for me I?
I want a lead that is integralto relatable, I guess would be
the best way to put it, whetherit's it's a male or a female, it
it matters not to me.
(13:43):
It's a male or a female, itmatters, not to me.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Okay, okay, I definitely think you know I'm
remembering my character, thegamers thing that I did and mine
was, like almost allsocialization, no-transcript
(14:07):
achievements.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
My achievement is hanging out with my friends but
all you play now is elden ringand you make us watch you on
discord, where we have to cheeryou on, be your audience okay.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
So a friend of mine asked me about playing a game
and I said I would love to playthat game but I don't have 100
hours to play it.
And he goes.
But you play Elden Ring andthat takes hundreds of hours to
play.
And I said but I'm continuingto play that game because I can
(14:45):
play that game for 10 minutes orseven hours.
For 10 minutes or seven hoursbecause if I have 10 minutes to
sit down I can turn it on, gogrind something, go kind of
travel around and search forsomething and then just shut it
(15:08):
off, say like go to a grace andshut it off where.
I would love to go back andplay the mass effect trilogy
like I wish I had the time to doit, but I don't and that's why
I'm mood right, well, no, it'snot a mood.
It's that, it's a hundred hoursof gameplay.
It's a mood for you.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Sorry, Marcus.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
What do you mean?
It is?
You don't.
You would much rather, and Iunderstand If you can't get into
a game.
You can't get into a game, butyou are.
You're like the lock-in gamerOnce you find a game you love,
you overplay it and play it, andplay it, and play it, and play
it, and play it until, like, youcan't possibly play it anymore
(15:57):
do you call that overplaying, oris that more completionist
mindset, because you're tryingto go through?
He's already completed the game, though.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
No, no, but that doesn't necessarily mean you're
a completionist.
That means you have completedthe story.
There are so many other itemsto find, to check off.
If you go on Steam or anythingelse, even the Slow Tour, there
is a laundry list of things tofind, even hidden achievements
to go get to keep playing thegame.
(16:28):
To unlock, to do mundane andsometimes weird things to unlock
those items.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Marcus, I had a thought in the shower today.
You know shower thoughts.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Was I in it and was I wearing clothes?
Speaker 1 (16:45):
You were definitely wearing clothes, but it was all
about you and it's because I wasgetting ready to stream after
my shower, right, because Istream in the morning and, like
everyone, you can know all thisabout me, I don't care.
But the thing that would reallyhelp you to understand me and
would end a lot of the confusionthat we've had on this podcast
(17:06):
the last six weeks or so is if Istarted putting completionist
run in the title of my stream.
Everyone, including you, wouldunderstand what I'm doing and
why I'm still playing ClaireObscure, expedition 33.
Doritos nailed it.
It's not about completing thestory, it's about looking at
(17:26):
that game and saying I knoweverything about this game now
and we talked about this onTwitch this morning actually is
like I went after the stream.
I found a YouTube video that wasall seven hours of cut scenes
for this game and I downloadedit onto my external hard drive
(17:47):
so I have that footage and I canjust play it while I'm grading
papers, while I'm doing all thiswork stuff.
I want to absorb everythingabout this world, because this
world is a critical piece ofsome of the work stuff I'm going
to do in the future for gamersand things that launch out of
(18:08):
the gamer's journey kind ofstuff, things that launch out of
the gamer's journey kind ofstuff.
It's that meaningful to me andI have to.
I feel like it's a calling.
I have to understand everythingabout this game.
And I do get that feeling aboutother things like Final Fantasy
VII, bioshock, resident Evil,devil May Cry, like Last of Us,
elden Ring, you know, like oncea game hits me like that and I
(18:31):
can envision my work lifeintertwining with it.
I want to know everything, justlike I did my entire childhood
and early adulthood with StarWars before Star Wars had too
much in it to know everythinganymore so I know and, and I
know that and it comes off as ifI don't understand it because I
(18:54):
do.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
It's more of a trigger thing, like I'm stirring
the pot.
But for me I look at it as I'mtrying to find the right words.
I'm not that way, so it's hardfor me to understand that way.
That's not what you're doing,isn't wrong?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Right, right, like it's different than you.
It's like a personality typedifference, right.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
I'll use Doritos in myself.
We both played Elden Ring.
Well, I would say I played it alot longer because I quit that
game many times, but we beat thegame.
I would say Doritos within amonth of each other right.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, give or take.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah, give or take.
But the difference was Doritosdid everything you possibly
could and when you look at myinventory and I'm scrolling
through my inventory, there's alot missing.
And I'm scrolling through myinventory there's a lot missing
(19:59):
Because I didn't care to go findthe deep, dark corner, fog rift
catacomb, because I hate thefucking catacombs.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Like I, despise the catacombs.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Just like dragons.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Right, I hate dragons .
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I love dragons.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Well, I love dragons, like the concept, because I'm
listening to this book onaudible called fourth wing or
something like that.
I don't know it's so good.
Oh my gosh, you started fourthwing.
Oh, I'm like three quartersdeep in it, right, I started the
third book this week.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
All right, we're besties now?
Speaker 3 (20:31):
well, we've been for a long time, but I know what are
, what are these books?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
yeah, um violet soaring gale, yeah, violence yes
I love it.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
So anyway, my, she reminds me a lot of katniss
everdeen, but anyway, if she wasin game of thrones or something
, yeah yeah I get.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I get a lot of that vibe for that world too.
I love it so much.
I I'm so glad I have a kindle.
It's, by the way, somethingcool happened on the stream this
week.
Someone was asking about somebook I wrote called the gamer's
journey.
You wrote a book never heard, Idid.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Did you win an award?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I did.
I won, I won an award and theyasked how they could get it and
I said like you could buy it atmy shop.
And then, just randomly, I saidsomething on my stream I've
never thought to say before.
I was like, actually you canget it right now on kindle
unlimited or audible if you haveone of those.
And the people in the chat werelike, oh my gosh, I just added
it on kindle unlimited.
(21:30):
That's how I read all my books.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
I was like yes, another thing.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
So everyone, you can just go get my book on Kindle
Unlimited if you're alreadysubscribed to that, and that's
freaking awesome because I wrotethe book so people can have the
ideas.
Actually, my class I taughttonight.
I taught them all about growthmindset using two of the
graphics from my book and theywere just like it clicked, like
(21:55):
they realized that theirprofessor is tfg let's see.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Well, I actually have a.
I have both a hard copy and Idid.
I went and got on audiblebecause I listened to audiobooks
on my commute to work in themornings yeah, but I'm gonna
circle back to doritos and I.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
So we played this game and we would bounce off of
each other like, hey, I'm inlindell, oh, I just beat lindell
and he's like, oh, I'm justgetting there, and we kind of
did the story together.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
But in the end he would mention some the two
crucible knight fight the ohyeah that the catacomb with the
two crucible knights at the endyes yeah I don't.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
That is before you go into.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I can see it in the map in my mind.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
So the north side of Lindell yeah, so I probably
can't go there now.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Before you fight the Draconic tree sentinel, it's
down below it.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Oh see, but now that I've destroyed, the tree is on
fire.
I don't know if I should lookinto it.
But my point is, excuse me, himand I were talking Doritos and
I were talking one night andhe's like I can't, I, this is so
frustrating and I was like whatthe heck?
So frustrating, he's like thesetwo crucible nights and I said
(23:39):
you're fighting two cruciblenights at once, why would you
even do that go?
the other way and he's like no,it's a boss fight and I'm
progging it and and I neverexperienced that.
I never experienced thatbecause I'm not a completionist.
Now, I didn't just go frompoint a to point B to beat the
game.
I did a lot of exploration butI didn't do all of the
(24:03):
exploration.
Yeah, yeah, you know what I'msaying.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
See a random boss fight and be like oh, it's
insulting to me that I can'tkill this thing.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Right, like in Shadow of the Earth Tree, there's the
first dragon that you find in aGuess what, in a pond, you know
what I mean.
There's a dragon and I gotkilled twice by it and I was
like, ah, fuck this guy, I'm notgoing back, like I could care
less about this dragon.
You know what I mean.
But then I go to the boss,fight the first boss, which was,
(24:37):
I don't know, would you callthat like a dancing lion or
something?
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah, the China, the China, the Chinese dragon.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Oh, the Chinese dragon.
You're right, cause you guysactually were with me and I went
in and you guys are like you'renot going to summon, and I said
, no, I'm going to beat thisboss.
And I died the first timebecause I was figuring out, but
I beat it the second try withoutany help.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
but that's what I enjoy yeah but you two, you
summons because it is in thegame to help you beat the game
yeah, like if I have to killevery boss in the game, I want
to kill every boss as fast aspossible, so instead of spending
a thousand hours, I only spend925 right, right, no, in in.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
In that I guess I'm adding to what this is, kind of
making the point of your clearobscure thing and me busting
your butt about.
It is doritos and I played thesame game at the same time, but
we played it two completelydifferent ways.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, that's why video games are a personality
test and that's why my careerhappened.
Oh my gosh, everybody.
Big announcement.
If you watch me on Twitch, youalready know, but you're
listening to the Gaming Persona,so we got to add this in.
If you watch me on Twitch, youalready know, but you're
listening to the Gaming Persona,so we got to add this in.
Marcus, do you know whathappened two days ago?
Speaker 3 (26:03):
You probably told me and I probably heard it and I
probably freaked out, but Icompletely forgot, so go.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah Well, I was offered the editor position for
the process addiction textbookfrom the american society of
addiction medicine, which thatis like the bible of, like how
insurances decide whetherthey're going to approve or deny
placing someone at differentlevels of care for addiction
(26:33):
treatment, and I'm the editor ofthe textbook, meaning my name
is going to be on the cover ofthe textbook with whoever the
other editor is.
It's going to be like I don'tknow if I'll be first or second,
but I'm going to be on thecover of, like the psychiatry
addiction textbook for gambling,video games, sex and
pornography, exercise, work,food, eating you know all the
(26:56):
things that can be addictionsbut are not substance-based it's
pretty rad food is sosubstance-based well, it's not
like cocaine or opiates, no,it's not like lasagna, it's not
illicit substances.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
so you're gonna help mentor Garfield Got it.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
You know, I know you guys can't see the podcast and
you're listening, but all I canthink about right now is so
Doritos office in his new homeis green.
Okay, hunter green.
Yeah, hunter green, and he hasa green shirt on, and all I'm
thinking is if he was streamingand he clicked the green screen
button, all you see is afloating head.
(27:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Floating head with headphones on yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
That's all you could see that and the microphone.
I know that's a random thought,but that's all I've been
thinking about this entirepodcast.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
This shirt was part of a Halloween costume.
We did Scooby-Doo a coupleyears ago when the kids were
little and I was Shaggy.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I was Shaggy once too .
Have you ever been Shaggy,Marcus?
No Fail.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
We're on the verge of greatness.
Let's see, since my kids havebeen alive, I've been Mario a
minion.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I've been Luigi Buzz Lightyear, mr Incredible a
hockey player, the sticks to getwith the hot pants.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
And this year, me and my son are going, as we're
going to be a tag team.
I want to be the Street Profits, but he does not.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Oh my gosh, they ruined the Street Profits, but I
don't.
He does not.
Boom, boom, boom, ba-dum, boomboom.
Oh my gosh, they ruined theStreet Profits entrance and I
will not entertain anyone else'sopinion about that.
They had one of the bestentrances in WWE.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yes, they did and it's gone.
You know why?
They lost the rights to themusic.
Well, when you have money, youneed to suck less yeah, and one
more side note I'm going tosmackdown tomorrow night, so you
know, yeah, yeah yeah yeah,anyway, doritos, what games have
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you played this week?
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I have been sticking with my, my usuals.
I've got sotor and ori.
I was able to unstuck myselffrom the spot I was in in ori,
so I've got that, continuing onwith that save file.
So again, chillax game.
Haven't been able to play it alot just because since we
homeschool our kids, it's been alot of having to deal with some
(29:37):
administrative concerns.
A lot of it's laptop issues,program issues, getting things
set up so the kids can havetheir classes.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Sure, what are you playing Marcus, sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
No, completely fine.
Do you have your next storygame in mind, doritos not right
now.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Okay, let me do witcher 3.
I've got it.
I've got batman arkham.
Kind of want to play it haveyou done arkham before any?
Speaker 1 (30:10):
of them oh my gosh, those are so good.
Have you done the witcherbefore?
Nope, wow, did you know I wrotea chapter in the psychology of
the witcher never heard of it.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Yes, oh my god thank you, doritos.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Thank you, oh my god, thank you but we're getting.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
We're getting to the point where I know I'm a meme of
myself oh, you are a meme, you.
I just I just really enjoyvideo games, and there was a
point in time where I never evenimagined I'd be in the
situations I'm in right now.
So so witcher 3 is so good.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
And I agree with you about your excitement for video
games.
They just announced a symphonytour for Elden Ring.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Oh wow, Elden.
Ring has amazing music.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Right.
So I went to the Final FantasyVII Remake Symphony and that was
unbelievable.
I've been to the Star WarsEmpire Strikes Back Symphony and
that was unbelievable.
I've been to the star warsempire strikes back symphony and
that was incredible.
If they do elden ring, I amthere, yeah, you know.
But what I was going to say toyou, doritos, is I just
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remembered nick playing thewitch Witcher and oh my God,
that is, your life is completelyover.
If you play the Witcher, it'sand I don't mean it like like no
, it's Elden ring and steroids,not like I'm saying the length
of the game and the side quests.
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And you know, I remember Nickwalked 15 feet and he had 30
side quests and he had no ideawhat to do because every single
npc is a side quest I focusedjust on the story and had a very
different experience I hadnot completion that game at all
well, he, he figured that out,but in that first few hours he
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just talked to everybody and hewas lost and I think he did
restart it, if I remembercorrectly.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
It buries you in too many things to do, Right?
You know it's like if you wentto college but you tried to
major in everything.
It's not possible.
This is why people only chooseone major, and my major in the
Witcher was the main story andYennefer.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I majored in Yennefer Chris Chris Marigold.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yeah, triss yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Triss is the one.
No, it's Yennefer.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Yennefer.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, there's no way you can choose anything else,
and if you do, then I'm justgoing to tell you continue the
journey.
Welcome to the Gaming Persona podcast.
This is the show that exploreswho we become when we play games
, whether you're saving kingdoms, leading epic raids or just
vibing in cozy indie worlds.
Join me, dr Gamology and mygood friend Marcus as we search
for all the ways gaming andpersonal growth collide.
Grab your controllers and let'scontinue the journey Now.
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Continue the journey now.
So I returned to Final Fantasy14 this week.
Oh yeah, I did, yeah, and Ididn't even play a Lobey
character.
I played an endgame characterthat has not logged in in so
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long that I have to reclaim myend game status by completing
story.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Oh my, goodness, no bunny tank, then huh.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
No, nobody tank.
I was my pink haired girl,because everybody knows that
when I play MMOs I have to be acutesy pink haired girl.
That's my thing, actually.
Even when I play Elden Ringgirl, that's my thing actually.
Even when I play elden ring I'mwell, it's ellen ring, so
you're not really cutesy.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
But you're still a pink haired girl, right, marcus.
Wait, what are you when youplay?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
elden ring.
He's a giant hat.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Giant hat, yeah I'm kung lao, kung lao, oh my gosh
are you saying what's on?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
like okay, that's yeah, what's under the?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
hat me oh so like bearded man he looks like you,
like, yeah, like I.
For me, I like.
Well, this is a great topic.
So character customization forme.
I don't want to pretend I'm afemale Like I want to be me in
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the story.
I love that.
You know what I mean.
Okay, so when I'm playing EldenRing or Mass Effect, any of the
games I should say any of thegames I can customize my
character.
I want to have it look like me,my first character, because I
feel like me running around.
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It makes me more immersed intothe game.
Now, if you get like in an mmo,when I create multiple
characters, that's when I branchout, but I usually branch out
to like.
I'll'll make one my daughter,one my wife, one my son, one my
dog, one my you know what I meanother dog, and obviously
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they're humans, but I'll namethem after my dog like animals.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Okay, because the most game that I've ever played
with you, you were named afteryour daughter.
I'm assuming that character wasfemale, right?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
But that's not the first character I ever created.
Always, the first character isa mirror of me.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
What do you do in this area?
Doritos.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
It depends on my mood .
I know, when I started, myfirst character I ever created
in Sotor was a male Mary AllenDidn't look anything like me,
but I do give it charactertraits similar to me IRL.
Then see that one.
(03:29):
I got to a stagnant point,actually, when the game started.
I ended up hopping to like fourdifferent servers before I
found one that did not have alogin weight and created a
female sniper and that became mymain through well, even through
today sniper, and that becamemy main through well, even just
even through today.
So I'll play both sexes.
(03:50):
I'm not picky.
I try to create typically amale first with some character
traits similar to me, but, yeah,also some of.
If I had the ability to, youknow, dye my hair, change my,
you know, get tattoos, stufflike that that I would love to
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do but don't do.
That's what I try to build acharacter as.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Okay, I usually do stick with human, ever since I
played Star Wars, the OldRepublic, where I did create
myself if I was a Sith, and thatcharacter is the one that I've
played for more than 365 days ofmy life.
But I have lots of alts on thataccount too, and most of them
(04:39):
are female, and I kind ofrecreate those characters in all
the other games that I play.
Like the names are the same.
Everything is a callback towhat I did in SWTOR Mm-hmm.
Oh, sorry, go ahead.
No go ahead, Marcus.
What do you got?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
But why?
The real question for me that Idon't understand is why do you
create a female?
Is it because it's going tosound really funny but let me
work through this with my headout loud but is it because you
imagine yourself being with thisfemale?
Is it you enjoy hearing thefemale voice of the character?
(05:19):
Is it that you like staring ata girl's butt while you're
running through the world like,what is the motivation for you
to create a pink haired female?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Listen, the dramatic extrovert outfit looks much
better on females than it doeson males.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Well, it does.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
OK, but so it's all of the above I mean.
So this was what a topic wayback when you started your
podcast.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, my mentor in research who created the
motivation for playing onlinegames questionnaire, nick Yee,
we talked about this and I willshare my own perspective after I
summarize what he said.
Basically, game developerscreate video game characters for
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the male gaze primarily.
That was the premise of what hesaid.
So males are designed so thatwhen a male player looks at them
, they see the things thatstereotypically they want to see
in dominant, effective malecharacters and female characters
the same when a male playerlooks at them.
(06:29):
They're designed to have thetraits and features that will
appeal to a male player as adominant, competent, effective
combat character.
But the outfits look better onthem.
The emotions come throughbetter in the female characters.
(06:49):
In my opinion, cooler outfits,you know, like I don't enjoy,
like camo gear, armor sets.
I don't want to look like astormtrooper and and I just
think that the outfits whetherit's the Old Republic or
Baldur's Gate or Elden Ring orFinal Fantasy 14, I just like
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the way the female characterslook.
That could be as a male gameplayer.
As a man, I maybe do appreciatelooking at a female character
more if I'm staring hours at ascreen, but it's not exactly a
sexual thing.
It's more about when I made myfirst character in Final Fantasy
(07:36):
14, it was a male character andit didn't feel like I was a
compelling hero and I actuallyquit playing the game for months
and had no MMO that I wasplaying because I had quit
playing SWTOR but I hadn'tcontinued Final Fantasy XIV
after leveling up to about level15.
When I create a femalecharacter pink haired girl,
(07:59):
happy black mage loving life Iwanted to play every day I can't
explain it.
I mean I can use research toexplain what it is we're aiming
for when we do create ourcharacters.
My Solitor character was myletters of my name shuffled just
(08:22):
a little bit to create thatStar Wars persona and that
character did not belong inFinal Fantasy XIV.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Do you prefer a movie with a female lead over a male
lead?
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, like Hunger Games, I enjoy a lot more than
everdeen, that's right.
Remember who the real enemy is,marcus yeah yeah, I mean.
I say that phrase, by the way,to my students all the time,
whenever I'm like interpreting apolicy for my class in a way
(09:03):
that benefits them, instead ofusing a rule to penalize them,
and like being the corporate guy, like I want to be the people's
champion, not the corporatechampion, you know.
Going back to the rock, rightlike yes, yes, I love, I love
the hunger games book so much Ihaven't read this one yet.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
My wife got it for me .
I think it's a prequel.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
It's a prequel.
There's a movie for it too.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Oh, okay, so I'll let you know.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, very good.
Yeah, I do tend to like femaleprotagonists more than males,
but that doesn't mean that amale protagonist is going to
turn me off to the movie.
But I really enjoyed theFantastic Four movie that just
came out because I thought SueStorm was amazing.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Sure, I guess for me it's, I guess, my question.
I'm just trying to connect thedots Right.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
When you the docs right.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
So do you prefer ray over luke skywalker?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
anakin skywalker is star wars it's not my you're.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
That's not the question I said.
Do you prefer Rey, becauseshe's the main role, versus Luke
?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
I prefer stories that are consistent within
themselves and are not foundedon errored logic.
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Well, that's really interesting because for me, I
feel like I'm the opposite.
I prefer a male main characterbecause maybe and maybe that
takes me back to my charactercreation, where I'm creating
myself when you're watching amovie and the male is the main
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character.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I'm picturing myself as that in some way or not you
know, you said a key word acouple of minutes ago when you
were explaining what you'reaiming for.
You said immersion.
Yeah, and going back to gamingprofile stuff, back at the
beginning of our friendship, Igave you the motivation for
(11:28):
playing online gamesquestionnaire, because that's
what I do to my friends and wait, has doritos done it yet?
Nope, oh you haven't never havethe only.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Thing I've ever done that I shared was my
myers-briggs type that was thegamer.
I don't know, I've never takenthe gamer one.
Oh, you should.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I'll give it to you and we'll talk about our like,
we'll redo our results and wecan do that for a future episode
.
That could be great fun.
You should send it to me againbecause I can do it.
Yeah, my immersion scores arevery low, though that's not a
primary motivation category forme.
Immersion is basically roleplaying, discovery and
(12:07):
exploration.
Customization and escape, rightlike.
Those are not high for me.
I'm very much an achievementkind of person.
I'm.
I'm a mechanics and masteryperson and I'm a socialization
person and teamwork person.
So when I create a character,I'm just trying to create a
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character that feels like itshould be the hero of this story
, because if I can make thestory more powerful for me, then
I'm going to have more ideasabout things I can write in the
psychology and the hero'sjourney and the mythology
connections, like when I'mrunning around in Claire Obscure
, expedition 33,.
You can choose which of thefive characters is your
(12:52):
runaround character.
I always pick Lunae because sheflies and that's freaking cool
and I just think that she hasthe best style, she has the best
look for running around thatworld.
But I could run around hisverse so if I wanted to, I just
don't choose to.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Does it matter?
Doritos, just to follow up onmy question to doc do you prefer
a male or a female lead in amovie, or does?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
it not matter?
It doesn't matter for me I in amovie, or does it not matter?
It doesn't matter for me I?
I want a lead that is integralto relatable, I guess would be
the best way to put it, whetherit's it's a male or a female, it
it matters not to me.
(13:43):
It's a male or a female, itmatters, not to me.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Okay, okay, I definitely think you know I'm
remembering my character, thegamers thing that I did and mine
was, like almost allsocialization, no-transcript
(14:07):
achievements.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
My achievement is hanging out with my friends but
all you play now is elden ringand you make us watch you on
discord, where we have to cheeryou on, be your audience okay.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
So a friend of mine asked me about playing a game
and I said I would love to playthat game but I don't have 100
hours to play it.
And he goes.
But you play Elden Ring andthat takes hundreds of hours to
play.
And I said but I'm continuingto play that game because I can
(14:45):
play that game for 10 minutes orseven hours.
For 10 minutes or seven hoursbecause if I have 10 minutes to
sit down I can turn it on, gogrind something, go kind of
travel around and search forsomething and then just shut it
(15:08):
off, say like go to a grace andshut it off where.
I would love to go back andplay the mass effect trilogy
like I wish I had the time to doit, but I don't and that's why
I'm mood right, well, no, it'snot a mood.
It's that, it's a hundred hoursof gameplay.
It's a mood for you.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Sorry, Marcus.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
What do you mean?
It is?
You don't.
You would much rather, and Iunderstand If you can't get into
a game.
You can't get into a game, butyou are.
You're like the lock-in gamerOnce you find a game you love,
you overplay it and play it, andplay it, and play it, and play
it, and play it until, like, youcan't possibly play it anymore
(15:57):
do you call that overplaying, oris that more completionist
mindset, because you're tryingto go through?
He's already completed the game, though.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
No, no, but that doesn't necessarily mean you're
a completionist.
That means you have completedthe story.
There are so many other itemsto find, to check off.
If you go on Steam or anythingelse, even the Slow Tour, there
is a laundry list of things tofind, even hidden achievements
to go get to keep playing thegame.
(16:28):
To unlock, to do mundane andsometimes weird things to unlock
those items.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Marcus, I had a thought in the shower today.
You know shower thoughts.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Was I in it and was I wearing clothes?
Speaker 1 (16:45):
You were definitely wearing clothes, but it was all
about you and it's because I wasgetting ready to stream after
my shower, right, because Istream in the morning and, like
everyone, you can know all thisabout me, I don't care.
But the thing that would reallyhelp you to understand me and
would end a lot of the confusionthat we've had on this podcast
(17:06):
the last six weeks or so is if Istarted putting completionist
run in the title of my stream.
Everyone, including you, wouldunderstand what I'm doing and
why I'm still playing ClaireObscure, expedition 33.
Doritos nailed it.
It's not about completing thestory, it's about looking at
(17:26):
that game and saying I knoweverything about this game now
and we talked about this onTwitch this morning actually is
like I went after the stream.
I found a YouTube video that wasall seven hours of cut scenes
for this game and I downloadedit onto my external hard drive
(17:47):
so I have that footage and I canjust play it while I'm grading
papers, while I'm doing all thiswork stuff.
I want to absorb everythingabout this world, because this
world is a critical piece ofsome of the work stuff I'm going
to do in the future for gamersand things that launch out of
(18:08):
the gamer's journey kind ofstuff, things that launch out of
the gamer's journey kind ofstuff.
It's that meaningful to me andI have to.
I feel like it's a calling.
I have to understand everythingabout this game.
And I do get that feeling aboutother things like Final Fantasy
VII, bioshock, resident Evil,devil May Cry, like Last of Us,
elden Ring, you know, like oncea game hits me like that and I
(18:31):
can envision my work lifeintertwining with it.
I want to know everything, justlike I did my entire childhood
and early adulthood with StarWars before Star Wars had too
much in it to know everythinganymore so I know and, and I
know that and it comes off as ifI don't understand it because I
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do.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
It's more of a trigger thing, like I'm stirring
the pot.
But for me I look at it as I'mtrying to find the right words.
I'm not that way, so it's hardfor me to understand that way.
That's not what you're doing,isn't wrong?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Right, right, like it's different than you.
It's like a personality typedifference, right.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
I'll use Doritos in myself.
We both played Elden Ring.
Well, I would say I played it alot longer because I quit that
game many times, but we beat thegame.
I would say Doritos within amonth of each other right.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, give or take.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah, give or take.
But the difference was Doritosdid everything you possibly
could and when you look at myinventory and I'm scrolling
through my inventory, there's alot missing.
And I'm scrolling through myinventory there's a lot missing
(19:59):
Because I didn't care to go findthe deep, dark corner, fog rift
catacomb, because I hate thefucking catacombs.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Like I, despise the catacombs.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Just like dragons.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Right, I hate dragons .
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I love dragons.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Well, I love dragons, like the concept, because I'm
listening to this book onaudible called fourth wing or
something like that.
I don't know it's so good.
Oh my gosh, you started fourthwing.
Oh, I'm like three quartersdeep in it, right, I started the
third book this week.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
All right, we're besties now?
Speaker 3 (20:31):
well, we've been for a long time, but I know what are
, what are these books?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
yeah, um violet soaring gale, yeah, violence yes
I love it.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
So anyway, my, she reminds me a lot of katniss
everdeen, but anyway, if she wasin game of thrones or something
, yeah yeah I get.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I get a lot of that vibe for that world too.
I love it so much.
I I'm so glad I have a kindle.
It's, by the way, somethingcool happened on the stream this
week.
Someone was asking about somebook I wrote called the gamer's
journey.
You wrote a book never heard, Idid.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Did you win an award?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I did.
I won, I won an award and theyasked how they could get it and
I said like you could buy it atmy shop.
And then, just randomly, I saidsomething on my stream I've
never thought to say before.
I was like, actually you canget it right now on kindle
unlimited or audible if you haveone of those.
And the people in the chat werelike, oh my gosh, I just added
it on kindle unlimited.
(21:30):
That's how I read all my books.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
I was like yes, another thing.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
So everyone, you can just go get my book on Kindle
Unlimited if you're alreadysubscribed to that, and that's
freaking awesome because I wrotethe book so people can have the
ideas.
Actually, my class I taughttonight.
I taught them all about growthmindset using two of the
graphics from my book and theywere just like it clicked, like
(21:55):
they realized that theirprofessor is tfg let's see.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Well, I actually have a.
I have both a hard copy and Idid.
I went and got on audiblebecause I listened to audiobooks
on my commute to work in themornings yeah, but I'm gonna
circle back to doritos and I.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
So we played this game and we would bounce off of
each other like, hey, I'm inlindell, oh, I just beat lindell
and he's like, oh, I'm justgetting there, and we kind of
did the story together.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
But in the end he would mention some the two
crucible knight fight the ohyeah that the catacomb with the
two crucible knights at the endyes yeah I don't.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
That is before you go into.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I can see it in the map in my mind.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
So the north side of Lindell yeah, so I probably
can't go there now.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Before you fight the Draconic tree sentinel, it's
down below it.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Oh see, but now that I've destroyed, the tree is on
fire.
I don't know if I should lookinto it.
But my point is, excuse me, himand I were talking Doritos and
I were talking one night andhe's like I can't, I, this is so
frustrating and I was like whatthe heck?
So frustrating, he's like thesetwo crucible nights and I said
(23:39):
you're fighting two cruciblenights at once, why would you
even do that go?
the other way and he's like no,it's a boss fight and I'm
progging it and and I neverexperienced that.
I never experienced thatbecause I'm not a completionist.
Now, I didn't just go frompoint a to point B to beat the
game.
I did a lot of exploration butI didn't do all of the
(24:03):
exploration.
Yeah, yeah, you know what I'msaying.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
See a random boss fight and be like oh, it's
insulting to me that I can'tkill this thing.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Right, like in Shadow of the Earth Tree, there's the
first dragon that you find in aGuess what, in a pond, you know
what I mean.
There's a dragon and I gotkilled twice by it and I was
like, ah, fuck this guy, I'm notgoing back, like I could care
less about this dragon.
You know what I mean.
But then I go to the boss,fight the first boss, which was,
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I don't know, would you callthat like a dancing lion or
something?
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah, the China, the China, the Chinese dragon.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Oh, the Chinese dragon.
You're right, cause you guysactually were with me and I went
in and you guys are like you'renot going to summon, and I said
, no, I'm going to beat thisboss.
And I died the first timebecause I was figuring out, but
I beat it the second try withoutany help.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
but that's what I enjoy yeah but you two, you
summons because it is in thegame to help you beat the game
yeah, like if I have to killevery boss in the game, I want
to kill every boss as fast aspossible, so instead of spending
a thousand hours, I only spend925 right, right, no, in in.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
In that I guess I'm adding to what this is, kind of
making the point of your clearobscure thing and me busting
your butt about.
It is doritos and I played thesame game at the same time, but
we played it two completelydifferent ways.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, that's why video games are a personality
test and that's why my careerhappened.
Oh my gosh, everybody.
Big announcement.
If you watch me on Twitch, youalready know, but you're
listening to the Gaming Persona,so we got to add this in.
If you watch me on Twitch, youalready know, but you're
listening to the Gaming Persona,so we got to add this in.
Marcus, do you know whathappened two days ago?
Speaker 3 (26:03):
You probably told me and I probably heard it and I
probably freaked out, but Icompletely forgot, so go.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah Well, I was offered the editor position for
the process addiction textbookfrom the american society of
addiction medicine, which thatis like the bible of, like how
insurances decide whetherthey're going to approve or deny
placing someone at differentlevels of care for addiction
(26:33):
treatment, and I'm the editor ofthe textbook, meaning my name
is going to be on the cover ofthe textbook with whoever the
other editor is.
It's going to be like I don'tknow if I'll be first or second,
but I'm going to be on thecover of, like the psychiatry
addiction textbook for gambling,video games, sex and
pornography, exercise, work,food, eating you know all the
(26:56):
things that can be addictionsbut are not substance-based it's
pretty rad food is sosubstance-based well, it's not
like cocaine or opiates, no,it's not like lasagna, it's not
illicit substances.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
so you're gonna help mentor Garfield Got it.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
You know, I know you guys can't see the podcast and
you're listening, but all I canthink about right now is so
Doritos office in his new homeis green.
Okay, hunter green.
Yeah, hunter green, and he hasa green shirt on, and all I'm
thinking is if he was streamingand he clicked the green screen
button, all you see is afloating head.
(27:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Floating head with headphones on yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
That's all you could see that and the microphone.
I know that's a random thought,but that's all I've been
thinking about this entirepodcast.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
This shirt was part of a Halloween costume.
We did Scooby-Doo a coupleyears ago when the kids were
little and I was Shaggy.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I was Shaggy once too .
Have you ever been Shaggy,Marcus?
No Fail.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
We're on the verge of greatness.
Let's see, since my kids havebeen alive, I've been Mario a
minion.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I've been Luigi Buzz Lightyear, mr Incredible a
hockey player, the sticks to getwith the hot pants.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
And this year, me and my son are going, as we're
going to be a tag team.
I want to be the Street Profits, but he does not.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Oh my gosh, they ruined the Street Profits, but I
don't.
He does not.
Boom, boom, boom, ba-dum, boomboom.
Oh my gosh, they ruined theStreet Profits entrance and I
will not entertain anyone else'sopinion about that.
They had one of the bestentrances in WWE.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yes, they did and it's gone.
You know why?
They lost the rights to themusic.
Well, when you have money, youneed to suck less yeah, and one
more side note I'm going tosmackdown tomorrow night, so you
know, yeah, yeah yeah yeah,anyway, doritos, what games have
(29:11):
you played this week?
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I have been sticking with my, my usuals.
I've got sotor and ori.
I was able to unstuck myselffrom the spot I was in in ori,
so I've got that, continuing onwith that save file.
So again, chillax game.
Haven't been able to play it alot just because since we
homeschool our kids, it's been alot of having to deal with some
(29:37):
administrative concerns.
A lot of it's laptop issues,program issues, getting things
set up so the kids can havetheir classes.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Sure, what are you playing Marcus, sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
No, completely fine.
Do you have your next storygame in mind, doritos not right
now.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Okay, let me do witcher 3.
I've got it.
I've got batman arkham.
Kind of want to play it haveyou done arkham before any?
Speaker 1 (30:10):
of them oh my gosh, those are so good.
Have you done the witcherbefore?
Nope, wow, did you know I wrotea chapter in the psychology of
the witcher never heard of it.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Yes, oh my god thank you, doritos.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Thank you, oh my god, thank you but we're getting.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
We're getting to the point where I know I'm a meme of
myself oh, you are a meme, you.
I just I just really enjoyvideo games, and there was a
point in time where I never evenimagined I'd be in the
situations I'm in right now.
So so witcher 3 is so good.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
And I agree with you about your excitement for video
games.
They just announced a symphonytour for Elden Ring.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Oh wow, Elden.
Ring has amazing music.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Right.
So I went to the Final FantasyVII Remake Symphony and that was
unbelievable.
I've been to the Star WarsEmpire Strikes Back Symphony and
that was unbelievable.
I've been to the star warsempire strikes back symphony and
that was incredible.
If they do elden ring, I amthere, yeah, you know.
But what I was going to say toyou, doritos, is I just
(31:32):
remembered nick playing thewitch Witcher and oh my God,
that is, your life is completelyover.
If you play the Witcher, it'sand I don't mean it like like no
, it's Elden ring and steroids,not like I'm saying the length
of the game and the side quests.
(31:53):
And you know, I remember Nickwalked 15 feet and he had 30
side quests and he had no ideawhat to do because every single
npc is a side quest I focusedjust on the story and had a very
different experience I hadnot completion that game at all
well, he, he figured that out,but in that first few hours he
(32:16):
just talked to everybody and hewas lost and I think he did
restart it, if I remembercorrectly.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
It buries you in too many things to do, Right?
You know it's like if you wentto college but you tried to
major in everything.
It's not possible.
This is why people only chooseone major, and my major in the
Witcher was the main story andYennefer.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I majored in Yennefer Chris Chris Marigold.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yeah, triss yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Triss is the one.
No, it's Yennefer.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Yennefer.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, there's no way you can choose anything else,
and if you do, then I'm justgoing to tell you continue the
journey.
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