April 3, 2025 • 52 mins
Dr. Gamology and Marcus explore the profound relationship between our gaming habits and our authentic selves, revealing how the way we approach virtual challenges mirrors our approach to life itself.
• Different gaming personalities: methodical completionists versus spontaneous explorers
• Elden Ring boss battles as metaphors for personal obstacles and growth
• Toxic behavior in MMO communities and why experienced players often lack empathy for newcomers
• The struggles of juggling multiple games at once and preserving continuity in storytelling
• Final Fantasy XIV's demanding cutscene culture versus immediately accessible Star Wars lore
• How Minecraft facilitates the same developmental benefits as traditional imaginative play
• Family gaming as a powerful bonding experience and way to nurture creativity
• The importance of treating new players with patience and understanding
Remember to be kind to newcomers in your gaming communities - they're on a journey too, and everyone deserves the chance to continue their adventure without toxicity.
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Transcript
Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Gaming Persona Podcast.
This is the show that exploreswho we become when we play games
, whether you're saving kingdoms, leading epic raids or just
vibing in cozy indie worlds.
Join me, dr Gamology and mygood friend Marcus as we search
for all the ways gaming andpersonal growth collide.
Grab your controllers and let'scontinue the journey Now.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Continue the journey now.
There's nothing wrong withdrinking beer just because you
don't like it and you want anumbrella in your drink.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
That's really where we're starting this.
Why not?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
It's okay.
Okay, so you want me to back itup?
When I first met you, youdidn't even drink Like you
wouldn't even have a drink, andnow you're having a margarita
with dinner.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Who are you?
This is amazing.
I just very much disagree withall of the life lessons that I
was held up to by the type ofpeople that held me up to them
and who they think are greathuman beings, while ignoring the
human being that I was.
So there's no reward for beingthe way that I was, so I might
as well just relax and enjoy myevening.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
There's I always say there's.
There's a difference betweenhaving a margarita at dinner or
having two beers while I sithere and do the podcast, versus
drinking five margaritas andthen driving your car.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
You know what I'm saying.
Can you imagine that episode ofthe gaming person?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
We should do one Dude we're, even if it's not that we
should just do one.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
You know, I think here's the thing I am about to
become even more of a publicfigure than I've ever been, and
I have to pay attention to whatI'm putting out there.
Marcus, I've ever been and Ihave to pay attention to what
I'm putting out there.
Marcus, okay, yeah, I'm sorry,but that's just true.
I'm wrapping my head around itbecause some of the things that
I'm talking about I can't talkabout right now, but they
happened this week very excitingstuff for the Dr Gamology brand
(01:58):
.
But you could still like have adrink yeah, but I can't do five
margaritas and record mypodcast.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Why not?
It's a podcast, as the podcastis not tied to your business
persona.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
It is, though, like I report on streaming and podcast
stuff for one of my roles.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I do.
Don't look at me like that.
There could be a train wreckonce in a while.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, there is not a 100% guarantee that this content
is making it into the episode.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I'm so disappointed why this is the real.
You, like people want to hearthe real you.
When you're on a podcast, youdon't have to be your persona,
you just be who you are.
It's when you're streaming you.
When you're on a podcast, youdon't have to be your persona,
you just be who you are.
It's when you're streaming youhave whoever you are.
But, like on a podcast, it's afree form to just flow and have
conversation and, like you, takeyour journey through the
(02:56):
podcast and where it takes you,I'm freeing you, breaking your
chains, doc.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
That's what this podcast is about.
I was already thinking it andyou said it.
You got Sith code on me.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
It's because you're like the Sith Lord.
If there was an emperor in 2025, it would be Emperor Gameology.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
That's pretty true.
This whole thing startedbecause of that silly
myers-briggs type indicatorchart that said the intj was the
label, the mastermind and thestar wars character for that is
emperor palpatine after I hadjust created and chosen sith
sorcerer as my old republiccharacter.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
You're right do you remember who they gave me as a
character?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
No, Do you want me to go pull it up?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
No, no, no, I remember.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I don't remember the letters.
Are you R2-D2?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Nope Princess Leia.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Oh, that's nice, Marcus.
I see it.
I guess Somebody has to save uskids, Okay.
Get this walking carpet out ofmy hallway.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, exactly that's who the leader of Death.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Star Troopers is.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Anyway, hey, I got a question for you.
Yeah, who is the most hatedenemy for you in elden ring?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
oh my gosh, I haven't gone back to where I'm at, so
it could be mesmer becausethat's my unfinished business
right now, but if we're lookingat, well, I'm talking about base
game.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Base game, yeah, like any boss, it could be a mini
boss, it could be like a regularenemy, like like that has the
red bar, a red bar enemy yeah, Igot it.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
When you're approaching the end of the erd
tree where you get to go in andfight the elden beast and finish
the game, hopefully there is aboss that you fight.
You go into the windy,shattered remains from the past.
Oh my gosh, I am so sorry.
(05:14):
It's been a long time.
I can't remember his name, buthe has a black sword that causes
your health bar to shrink whenhe hits you with it, so like it
takes your health and then itshortens your health bar too.
I've never even heard of thisguy.
Yeah, I can look it up whilewe're talking passively and I'll
just interject once I figureout who it is, okay, jamie.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Huh.
So in one of the podcasts Ilistened to, his producer is
Jamie, and anytime they starttalking about something, jamie
has already found it.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Can we get a producer for our show?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
When you make it big and you can ask your 50
companies that are sponsoringyou to pay for a producer.
For us, that would be greatThanks.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, that would be really nice.
So in crumbling Ferrum Azula,which is this ancient place, you
basically had teleported intothe past what's the name I'm
looking.
So when you get to the end ofthat area, you have to fight
maleketh the black blade.
That is my nemesis.
(06:21):
That fight, I was stuck on itto the point where I was
wondering if I'm ever going tobeat this game.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Oh, so yeah, they say this is like the hardest boss
in the game, Really.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
They say that's the true test to see if.
If you're ready to win, yeahright I agree too, because
because the fights that are leftafter that, except for the last
one, I felt like the eldenbeast and fighting, oh man, the
god character.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I know who you're talking about I don't know, I
don't know his name, I haven'tmet him, him, yet.
Radagon of the golden water.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah.
So that whole like final battlestuff, that's epic, it's the
Supreme ordeal.
I love hero's journey stuff andI was all about that.
I got through that a lot fasterthan getting through Malik,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
They say Malik is no joke.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, but you know what?
You can totally get stuck,depending on who you are and the
way you play.
You can get stuck on a bossthat's not the hardest one,
that's just that's what Iremember being the biggest
source of do I want to quit?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, so for me, the hardest boss in the game bosses
in the game for me or give methe most trouble they're not the
hardest are the bell bearinghunters.
Those mother truckers are sithsor sith lords that mess me up
every time I fight them you knowwhat my kryptonite in elden
(07:58):
ring is, marcus yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, cutscenes.
So when you get to a boss thathas a cutscene, I die instantly
on that first pull.
I don't know why it's somethingabout.
If I enter the room and theboss is just standing there and
their health bar pops up and Ican run to where I want to be
(08:22):
and dodge that first hit, I'mgood.
But if we get the defaultstanding spot at the end of a
cut scene, the boss is gonnawreck me.
I just will not dodge it, Iwill not survive.
I don't know how to explain it,but I noticed very early on
that bosses that have cut scenesare an instant death for me.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Okay, and I usually, the first time I fight a boss, I
usually almost kill them andthen I die and then it takes me
a while to kill them.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, but like in baseball, like you have batters
that have their little ritualsof swinging the bat outside of
the box, touching differentparts of their shoulder,
adjusting their stuff, and ifthey do all of that they have
their confidence in their swing.
And if that gets disrupted?
I haven't watched baseball along time but I guess they've
(09:16):
done a lot of stuff to help withthe speed of the game.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, so pitch clock.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, it was a pitch clock, okay, I haven't watched
since that got instituted.
I'm a little behind on whatit's like, but I'm sure people's
rituals have adjusted to theamount of time in the pitch
clock, right yeah, still, butit's.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
it was needed because it was a dying breed, in my
opinion, as a sport, becauseit's so long and unknown.
You can watch a uh a at Bruinsgame and be done in two hours.
You can watch a basketball gamebe done in two hours.
You can watch a football gameand know it's going to be three
(09:52):
hours because of commercials,but you know how long it's going
to be when, like, a baseballgame could be two and a half
hours or it could be five hours,and I'm not saying that's a
problem, but it drags on.
And I'm not saying that's aproblem, but it drags on.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
So I understand what you're saying with some of the
bosses.
Yeah, that's just the way it is.
That's my own quirk.
It's the way my brain works, ordoesn't work my kryptonite
right Like you.
Just got to keep playing untilyou figure it out.
Actually, my whole gaming week,marcus, has been about failure.
(10:30):
So when we were talking earlierin the week, where are we going
to cover?
I just like I don't know.
I've been trying to playAssassin's Creed.
I'm terrible at it.
I played Final Fantasy 14 thismorning on my stream and had a
really bad experience in thatgame too and that's one of my
games, so I was shook.
But some really awesome stuffhappened later in the day that
(10:53):
my stream can't ruin, so I gotover it.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
But during my stream I was just like so upset because
I want to play I just honestly,I've committed, I've made my
decision that I am going to beatelden ring like bloodline rules
, marcus, yeah, I like I can'tlet it beat me, even though I
(11:16):
want to, I get so mad and that'swhy I was playing.
I'm in, so I'm in themountaintops of the giants, but
my personality is not like youwhere you need to like a hundred
percent an area, okay.
So I am not like I am theultimate in like squirrel where
(11:39):
right kind of a guy.
So I I was watching a video,sweet johnny cage, and I'm in
the mountaintop, and he was saidsomething about volcano manor.
I was like man, I still haven'tdone volcano manor, so I
beelined it down there.
And then I my youtube alwayssuggests something oh, things
you missed in learning of thelakes.
And I was like, oh, I need alittle filler video, I'll watch
(12:02):
it.
And they were like, oh, in thesouthern part of the lake
there's blah, blah, blah quest.
And I was like I never did that.
Oh, and then I left volcanomanner and did that.
So I'm playing in threedifferent areas all at once and
it's just a scattered mess.
And then I was trying, and thenI saw another squirrel where it
(12:23):
was like and then I saw anothersquirrel where it was like oh
shit, I didn't kill all the bellbearing hunters.
Oh, there's one in altusplateau is the last one.
I gotta go do that now.
So now I'm like you know what Imean, but that's.
But now I'm like okay, do I goback now before I continue in
the mountaintops and just goclear a bunch of shit and then
(12:48):
just say, okay, now I'm going tothe mountaintops and I'm going
to do it.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
It really is up to you.
If you clear the final fights,marcus, you have a choice at
that point to continue clearingthings on the map that you've
already discovered, or new gameplus, and basically start over.
And there are benefits to beingElden Lord and still going
(13:14):
around the world clearing stuff,collecting weapons and things.
You don't have to rush into asecond playthrough at all, so
you can do unfinished businessas much as you want through it
all so you can do unfinishedbusiness as much as you want.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I don't think I'm gonna do new game plus.
I think I'm gonna start a brandnew kit like what, after I beat
it, I'm gonna be final fantasy14 and what I mean.
Like I'm gonna get throughrealm reborn, I'm reborn.
Yep, I'm gonna do heaven's ward.
I'm gonna do whatever the nextones are.
Like I'm going to play the snotout of 14 because I want to,
(13:51):
but right now, with a lot oftime I have, I just need to
focus on Elden Ring and onlyplay it.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah, both of those games really are better
experiences if you're justfocusing on them.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
So that's my plan is to be Elden Ring Like cause.
Now I'm doing like you wereplaying it, how?
Like you're watching videos andall you can think about is
Elden Ring.
That's kind of where I'm at nowagain.
So I don't want to ruin thatmojo and I'm just in it.
And it was going to circle backto a question for you, but I'll
get to it in a second and myscatterbrain elden ring is
(14:28):
really good for it, because Ican do a bunch of stuff and then
I always remember to come back.
You know what I mean.
Like I've done all of volcanomanor.
I just haven't walked throughthe boss's door.
Like there was a part I washanging out with doritos and he
was watching me in discord playand I was in volcano manor and,
believe it or not, he's involcano manor and he starts
(14:49):
chuckling to himself what's sofunny?
He goes nothing.
And then I walk into the roomand it's this big, white, fat
boss guy and he's got a giantbelly.
Yeah, I forget what he's called.
God skin duo, god skin duo,yeah or god skin something.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, so this guy he's called Godskin.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Duo, godskin Duo, yeah.
Or Godskin something, yeah.
So this guy, he's a jerk face.
But I didn't know I was walkinginto a boss fight and I got my
butt whooped by that guy.
Yeah, I got him to the secondphase where he starts rolling.
But note to self if you're justplaying Elden Ring, hide behind
the pillars.
He can't roll through thepillars at you.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Can't roll through the pillars at you, can't roll
through solid objects.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
But I'm going to circle it back to you.
Why is my brain so scattered inthe game versus yours not?
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Oh my goodness, marcus, I think, I think.
I think that we would see thatpattern in a lot of different
activities.
I really do.
I think we would see it in theway we go about mowing a lawn.
I think we would see it in theway we go about shopping in a
(16:05):
grocery store.
I think that we see it in theway that we play Elden Ring.
I think that for me, efficiencyand being methodical are two
very high priorities, and Idon't like all the reasons why I
think that's true for me, but Iknow that what I just said is
(16:27):
true For you.
I think that you dabble inspontaneity, and having fun and
generally like seeing thepositive is much more important
to you than I want to feel likeI'm in the positive.
It's not like I want to nothave that, but for you, you
(16:52):
preserve that just the way youthink about things and talk
about things, and I'm always atrisk of losing that, and so the
way I go about things sucks thefun out of it so that I can be
efficient.
Or you want to maximize theamount of experience that you
can gain you.
You want to earn all the runesthat you can.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
These are highly prioritized things for me and
you know it's really, you knowit's really funny, huh is, I
don't even care about runes,because I know that if I need
runes I'll just go to the spotwhere you shoot the bird off the
cliff and I can get as manyrunes as I need.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
That works until you start needing 300,000 runes or
more.
Oh yeah, there's a point whereyou're leveling up and you're in
the 600s to 713 level where youstart needing millions of runes
to rank up one more skill point.
(17:58):
So you need to hunt biggerbirds.
Basically, you have to findplaces that yield a higher
number of runes for you to everget that next level up.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Oh, my God, I forgot to tell you the one more
scatterbrain place I went yeah,so there's a.
So the weapon I use is the moonveil.
In my left hand I use the UjiKatana with frostbite on it.
It's a cold thing, yeah, anyway.
So I'm dual wielding, but Iwanted to max out my moon veil
and it uses somber smithingstones.
(18:31):
So I went to where I don't knowwhat his name is he's the lord
of blood.
I don't know what his name is,moog and I went through his
whole dungeon to find thattreasure chest that had that max
level dragon skin.
Uh, thingy thing, a somberthing, so yeah somber smithing
(18:52):
stone.
So I got it.
I was like, sweet hit.
The grace came back and I waslike, oh, you know what, I'll go
give the boss a fight.
I try.
I walked into his fight, okay.
First of all, I'm clearly notready for that fight, or maybe
I'm not leveled enough.
I'm at like 140, I don't know.
(19:12):
Whatever I am, it doesn, itdoesn't matter.
Skill, this is a skill issue.
So I get him halfway or almost,and then he does this move
where like he lights up the roomred and I just die Circle
around you.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yeah, the circle.
Oh my gosh.
The circle Marcus.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yeah, I literally, doc.
I took the greatest controllerever, which is an xbox
controller.
I held it in my hand and Ilooked at it and I was like not
today.
And I put it down and I walkedaway.
I have no idea what that guydid to me, but he did it you
escaped from a bad gamingsituation, marcus.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I talk about this in my presentations all the time
where you were in it and you'rejust like no, not today, Like in
Game of Thrones.
What do we say to the Lord ofDeath?
Not today, right?
Oh man, that's so great.
You just brought all of myworlds crashing together.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, doc, I learned with this game I have to walk
away, because if I don't, I'llnot play it yeah, you gotta
preserve your sanity well, and Ilearned too that madness
release you um, I can't die yes,go.
(20:30):
Well, you know, in lindell, theuh, what are the big trees
called the ur tree?
Yeah, okay, there was a putridone somewhere where it dropped
scarlet rot.
It took me forever to beat thatthing, I don't know why just
did.
Yeah, I find that the biggerbosses are easier for me to beat
than the other bosses.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Other bosses.
Ads are frequently harder thanbosses in video games.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
So, I was stuck in Lindell and I stopped playing it
for months and then one day mybuddy was over because he was
neck deep in it Like firstplaythrough.
He's like you, 100%, everything.
What's the strongest build?
He can have Two giant hammersstrength build Like he's three
shotting everything.
You know what I mean, butanyway, my point is he's three
shotting everything.
You know what I mean, butanyway, my point is he's just
(21:18):
turn it on and play it and Ibeat it first try.
I was like oh yeah, and insteadof stressing myself out to the
max, I can just put it down andwalk away.
But I have this like thing inthe back of my head that keeps
telling me final fantasy.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
14 here feel yeah think, yes, yeah, you got to.
Marcus, we should play afterthis podcast.
Even if it's just one dungeoncould be fun I don't know if I
still have game time.
I'll get you game time, marcus.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I'm not worried about that, I'm just saying Either
way, it's just it defeats me.
Yeah, and that brings me to thefollow-up to all of this.
I don't know how people canjuggle more than one game at a
(22:18):
time, or maybe two, because like, oh, I played a video game and
leave.
You know what I mean.
Yes, you know what I'm saying,but I I know people that are
(22:39):
playing like three giant storygames all at the same time and
it yeah, I don't know how theydo it either.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I really struggle with that because by the time I
come back to game a after goinginto game B, I don't remember
how to play or the story, or Imight remember the major
characters but not so much theminor ones, and that's really
hard when the story is one ofthe key points that matters.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
That's almost like side quests in an MMO, right?
Yeah, you know what I mean.
If you're playing the mainstory and you're following the
story and it's so good, and thenyou get veered off into 10 side
quests.
By the time you come back tothe main story, you don't even
know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yeah, I saw a meme that was the Avengers end game,
but it was using ideas fromFinal Fantasy 14.
Okay, it had Scarlet Witch.
When she's about to show downwith Thanos, okay, and she's
like she's going to kick Thanos'ass, right, because Thanos
makes it through that moment,because other things interfere,
(23:44):
and she's you took everythingfrom me.
But this is past Thanos, right,he hasn't done that yet.
So he just looks at her andsays I don't even know who you
are.
And that is me talking to anycharacter in Final Fantasy 14,
because I skipped too many cutscenes and I had no idea what
was going on at a certain point.
(24:06):
I mean, I, I knew the majorplayers, but it did get to a
point where I skipped too much.
But it did get to a point whereI skipped too much.
There are so many 45 minute cutscenes in that game and it's
(24:31):
hard at the time when I wasstreaming that for me to enjoy
streaming it, because I wantedto play the game, not host PS4
graphics movie night I haven'tgotten to those yet.
Yeah, it's tough, but I'm in adifferent mindset now.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
But is it like text cutscenes or is it like real CGI
cutscenes?
Speaker 1 (24:49):
It's like gameplay cutscenes with voiceover and
then some of them are gameplaycut scenes with text and for me,
my personal opinion and thesuper diehard, lore driven Final
Fantasy 14 players, if theylisten to our show, we'll roll
(25:18):
their eyes and lose faith in mewhen I say this, but I
personally feel like, if thescene was not voiced by voice
actors, square Enix isimplicitly telling me what
happens in this scene is lessimportant.
100%, I agree with you 100%.
Yeah, but when that scene thatis not voiced is still 30
minutes of exposition and stuffto watch it, and I skipped it.
What I'm risking is I now nolonger have continuity with the
(25:41):
story.
So what I actually did duringmy most recent playthrough,
marcus, is I have my good friendBen solo, the Kylo Ren, and
what I do now the Kylo Ren andwhat I do now.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
The Kylo Ren.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yes, yeah, if I tilt it this way, you can see I
journal what is happening in thestory in Final Fantasy XIV.
Now I write down what I want toremember about the thing.
It gives my brain something todo and it stops me from loathing
.
How long the scene is going on.
(26:18):
It's OK, so this might be 18minutes longer than I wanted it
to be, but who's talking?
What do they want me to do?
How does this help me become abetter warrior of light?
It helps me remember whichbosses are in which dungeons,
which was a huge problem for me,because it's like I'm fighting
these amazing looking monstersbut I have no idea why is this
glowing angel Griffin with snakearms in this temple?
(26:42):
They told me they really didtell me why this temple is
dangerous and I wasn't payingattention.
And so now I'm just fighting ageneric monster that actually
isn't generic.
There's a mythos around thesecharacters and why they are what
they are, and I want to knowwhat that is.
Okay, yeah, like, why doesDarth Vader have a red
(27:05):
lightsaber?
Because he's a Sith.
That's the mark of being a badguy, but if you skip all the
scenes that tell you what a Sithis, it's just oh, he has a
cooler looking weapon than a lotof the good guys.
And then the more you skip, thedumber your understanding is of
what's going on, and I don'twant to see the game that way
anymore.
I really want to feel the wholegame inside me the way I know,
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just by looking at an image.
That's Endor, that's Hoth.
This is Kashyyyk.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Wow, that's a commitment, man.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
That's what I want Final Fantasy XIV and Eorzea to
be for me.
I realize that the reason SWTORis so good for me is that Star
Wars is in my DNA.
I just understand it, no matterwhat I just saw.
Maybe some of the other movies,like the Planets and Rogue One,
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are very forgettable comparedto the original trilogy and the
prequel trilogy Planets, butthat's because I've only seen
Rogue One like three or fourtimes.
It's not really Rogue One'sfault, but Rogueli, the best
Star Wars movie ever made.
I still have only seen it aboutfour times, marcus, as opposed
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to the movies that were there inmy childhood.
Oh yeah, of course.
I'm a college kid with a PS2that plays DVDs and there's no
streaming services yet.
That plays DVDs and there's nostreaming services yet.
So I watched Star Wars while Iwas doing all my papers as a
college student.
Like every day I would watch aStar Wars movie, like I was
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absorbing the visual language ofStar Wars in a way that I want
to absorb the visual language ofFinal Fantasy and just
instantly know what region I'min.
And since I'm playing A RealmReborn for about the third time,
I really am starting to havethat for the early part of the
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game.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I know nothing of what's going on.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
That's okay.
You're the warrior of light.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
You got to save the universe the thing about SWTOR
and say what you want.
It is the best MMO ever made.
Because what, yeah, sorry.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I should not have interrupted you, my bad.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
No, you're fine.
It's the best MMO ever made.
Because of how good the classstories are, forget about
anything else.
I've played a lot of MMOs.
Nothing compares to that.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
So level 1 to 50.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yes, those stories are incredible.
If you play MMOs and youhaven't played, played it.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
you're crazy to not play it can we tack on shadow of
reven?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
yeah, you could attack attack.
Can we tack?
On kofi and cot cot, cotet andcotfi yeah, that that story was
incredible that I came.
You might not like it it was asingle player adventure, but as
a right, but like the storieswere incredible and the cut
scenes were incredible andeverything is voice acted, it's
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that game is hands down the bestclass story or story based mmo
there is you know what?
Speaker 1 (30:29):
know what?
I want to juxtapose somethingthat's been frustrating me all
day from Final Fantasy and thentalk about why Sotor is so
special to me.
Okay, I did a dungeon becauseI'm trying to get my relic
weapon as a paladin.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I want it to be a glowing, shiny, radiant sword
with a glowy, shiny radiantshield.
What color?
I think it's gonna end upglowing white or yellow, if I
had to guess.
I don't control it, it's justthe relic weapon okay and in
order to do that, I have toclear this level 50 dungeon
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using the sword and shieldbefore they glow.
It's called the Wanderer'sPalace and it's from the
original endgame, when it wasjust a Realm Reborn, level 50.
Okay, so I'm the tank.
That means that I need to holdthe enemies, the healer needs to
keep me alive, the DPS needs tokill down the enemies and as
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far as where we run and how fastwe go through the dungeon, I
feel like me being the one whoqueued in.
As a tank.
I'm the leader.
But in final fantasy 14, thereare some non-teamwork children
that play that game Okay, 40 and50 year old children and in
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their mind they got a hammerstation, all this shit, right.
What that means is like theyjust got to run through
everything.
Do it as fast as they can.
Do their little neat things.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
They want the tank.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
They want the tank to just pull all the mobs on the
way to every boss and just notdie.
And I told them I'm new at thebeginning of the dungeon.
I've never cleared wanderer'spalace nobody cares as a tank.
Nobody cared.
They left me and I died.
So then I tried to catch up andpulled all the mobs, but the
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healer thought they're a DPS.
So again I died and they likeyelled at me for pulling all the
mobs as the tank.
I just told them after thesecond time that they blatantly
ignored me and let me die.
I can't do this right nowbecause subtext I had a work
meeting in 12 minutes so Ibailed on the dungeon, left them
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.
They probably didn't completeit.
I felt really hurt by thatexperience from these three
strangers.
Right, like, why did they treatme like?
Like, why is it not okay forthis to be my first time doing
the dungeon?
I get it.
You're sick of wanderer'spalace?
You've been playing it for 14years.
(33:12):
I've never tanked it.
I told you I've never tanked itright.
So back to swotor.
In swotor, the mobs and thedamage they do.
You can't pull three mobs invery many dungeons, at least the
way I remember star wars, theold republic being, you might be
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able to pull two.
You might be able to sneak pastone and not even fight it,
which that's cool, becauseswotor had stealth.
So there were a lot ofdifferent options for how to
clear a dungeon, but the way Iremember it being is you had to
do one mob at a time because ifyou pull too many things your
tank will get overwhelmed andthe healers will not keep up and
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all four of you will die.
But Sotar also had master modechapters that you could play for
the highest difficulty, forsomething designed for you to
beat alone, alone.
And today I felt upset morethat there is no way to do
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Wanderer's Palace solo at level50.
They haven't added it into thegame yet.
They're doing it like one ortwo of those old dungeons at a
time.
And I was just thinking, man,if this was Star Wars, the old
Republic, I'd just be able toclear this alone.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yeah, but Final Fantasy 14 is a true MMO where
you have to group up.
They force you to group up.
You can't power level in thatgame.
You have to play the game, thatgame.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
you have to play the game.
If I got Paladin up to level 60, I actually would be able to
complete Wanderer's Palace byunsinking the level.
So the enemies would be 50, butI'd be able to run through at
60.
Oh but again, it's not intendedfor that, but I'm not level 60
yet and I don't want to be overleveled on my main class for the
story.
I really don't.
I'm enjoying what I'm playingin the story.
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When it comes to the groupcontent, I just felt really
mistreated by the people whodidn't have time to play with
someone like me.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
And.
But that happens anywhere.
It happens in star Wars, theRepublic and it happens in all
of the games.
If you're, if you watch, ifyou're a new player in Star Wars
, the Republic and you go into aflashpoint which is their
dungeons and there's cut sceneswith you actually watch the cut
scenes, people will kick you outof the dungeon.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
That doesn't mean it's not shitty.
Just because a lot of people doit, it is shitty, right?
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Like why is there so muchasshole in gaming fandom?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
I think because in mmos people invest so much of
their time and they do the samething over and over and, over
and over again for the xp or thereward or whatever it may be,
for the carrot at the end of thedungeon, that anybody that
slows them down, they don't care.
(36:17):
Oh, I'm new to this, I don'tcare, we just need to beat this
so I can get my thing.
And I can do it five more timesand if you watch the cut scenes
I'm kicking you out.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, it hurt me, like yeah, I.
Luckily, though, I had otherthings in my life to do today
that went really well.
And let me remember who I amand I'm not actually a paladin,
I'm me so that helped to cancelout the negative energy.
But while I'm on Twitch and Ihave people saying hi to me and
(36:51):
me for the first time and peoplehanging out with me that spend
almost every Thursday with me,and after the last two streams
of Assassin's Creed, where Ifelt already like a gaming
failure very extreme languagethere, I know, but that's how I
felt like I don't understand howto play Assassin's Creed yet
All of my instincts are wrongand get me killed all so quick.
(37:13):
I have to figure out somethingif I'm going to continue that
game because I want to enjoy it.
Same thing with Monster Hunteractually, like I want to enjoy
it, I just haven't reallyfigured out how to do it.
All right.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Can I give you some Assassin's Creed advice?
Sure, go play Odyssey, don'tplay the new one.
Oh for real.
Yeah, the new one's terrible.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
You think so?
Yeah, I like Japan though.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah, but I'm talking about the game itself.
If you go and play Odyssey orOrigins, if you want to go to
Egypt and play Origins, you wantto go to greek mythology, like
that time.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Yeah, go to play odyssey, it you go play, I wish
what about the third one, whereyou're in the revolutionary war,
black flag, no that's four.
Oh, I didn't ever play, Iplayed origins I really feel
like I would enjoy taking outbritish soldiers but okay, so go
play that.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
But I played odyssey because I'm greek and that's
really intriguing to me.
That game is incredible.
The new one is not that likeyou'll if you play one of the
older ones and you'll be like,wow, this is incredible, I can't
stop playing it.
That's interesting.
You know what I mean.
I say just give them a try andI bet you can.
I bet some of them are free, ifnot five bucks.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
I have several of them, many different ways to
play them.
I think I have some on steam.
No, I have some of them onPlayStation plus.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Oh my God, speaking of steam, did you see steam as
partnering with?
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Microsoft, I did not, but, but tell me more so very
soon, all steam games will be onthe xbox oh yes, I did see that
.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
That's super exciting for people like you yes,
because now I can take all mysteam games and play on my xbox
oh, so you can put them up onthe tv.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Oh, that's so cool.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
I think that's such a cool feature like that.
To be honest, I hopeplaystation does that too,
because that will connect thebridge for them.
Am I?
Speaker 1 (39:21):
yeah, you know what I mean also cuts down on me
having to double buy games.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Oh, that has to be the worst.
I understand that now becauseI'm like okay, the next game, do
I buy it on the pc or do I buyit on the playstation?
Or it's hard, or we pay forgame pass or do I pay but
there's it on game pass.
But I don't play on the xboxenough, but I get it on my, my
(39:48):
computer yeah, and for methere's I have two different
handhelds that I like a lot.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
I have the playstation portal, which works
if you have a strong wi-fisignal, but does not work if you
do not, because the game is notactually on there.
It's just a window to seewhat's on your ps5.
And then there's a steam deck.
The game is actually installedon the hard drive, but you can
only play your games from Steamon that, and so if I want to
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play a game on my PlayStation, Ido not get to play it on my
Steam Deck, and so there's Ihave to choose every game I
purchase.
What is the way I'm going toplay this the most number of
hours?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, yeah, the way I'm gonna play this the most
number of hours.
Yeah, yeah and yeah it's.
I'm trying to think what else.
There was something else bigthat happened today.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Oh, do you know the company tencent yeah, don't they
run like the biggest game inthe world?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
they just bought 25 of ubisoft rainbow six assassins
creed oh shit, I just read it.
It's huge.
So they purchased and Ubisoftis creating a subsidiary
business for all of their bigfar cry.
And they just purchased 25% ofthe company Because Ubisoft is
(41:04):
doing so bad.
Wow, it's 1.24 billion, I thinkI I read.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
I might be wrong on the numbers I mean, financially,
tencent is one of the mostpowerful companies on the planet
, I pretty sure.
Yeah, dude, but what's theirmain game that causes all of
this?
All of them?
Yeah, there's gotta be one gameto rule them all what is 10
(41:40):
cents?
Speaker 2 (41:41):
big honor of kings, also known as arena of valor.
Internationally.
A multiplayer online battlemobile game okay.
Honor of kings, I'll revenue amillion internationally.
A multiplayer online battlemobile game Okay.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
I'm not sure that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Millions of US dollars.
It's 1.86 billion dollars.
Pubg mobile 1.1 billion dollars.
Dungeon Fighter 800 million.
Battle of the Golden Shovel 400billion.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Wait, do they make League of legends?
Speaker 2 (42:11):
I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, that's riot
, riot okay, I really wish, Ireally wish I knew this.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
All right games, so they have the mobile version.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
You ready for this?
In 2011, riot Games wasacquired by Chinese conglomerate
Tencent.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Yeah, so it's League of Legends.
That's it.
Wow, yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
So if I was more active in eSports.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
I would have known that instantly.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Epic.
Epic Games is owned by Tencentas well.
Yeah, Fortnite and stuff.
Oh my God.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
They are one of the most powerful companies.
It's Fortnite, it's League ofLegends, yeah, it's all the same
company, have you ever playedFortnite Just?
A little bit.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Like just a little bit.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yeah, like the three tutorial matches and that's it
All right.
I've never played a match withother living human beings.
Yeah, it wasn't for me but whatif we played together and
realized that it's secretlysuper fun to just do stupid
stuff and get killed by johncena?
Speaker 2 (43:24):
I was just gonna say if I did it I would have to get
some of their like in cash shopso I could buy.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Yes like if I play fortnite, darth vader or anakin
skywalker, it's over like Iwould play every day.
When I played it, snoop doggand eminem were available for
purchase, and I like eminem ohyeah, I could be the banana guy.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
That's who I I would be.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yeah, I just I didn't feel like.
I didn't feel like.
Playing as him in Fortnite wasmy dream.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Oh, do you?
What editing video editingsoftware do you use?
Davinci?
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Resolve.
I have it Okay.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
So my son, I put him on Minecraft on this computer.
Okay, I opened up Streamlabs, Iclicked record and I said Rhino
, go, he goes, daddy, am Istreaming?
Sure are, pal, make sure youtalk to your people.
He's a mini me.
(44:25):
So it took him about 10 minutesto get in the groove.
So he's playing Minecraft,explaining to what he's doing
and I'm like, oh my.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
It's like imaginative play yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
So I'm going to take that video and I'm going to edit
it down to something and I'mgoing to create him a YouTube
channel.
I'm not gonna tell him and I'mjust once a week I'm gonna put
him in front of the computer,click record and just watch him
(44:59):
go so is it like with webcam, orjust his voice webcam?
wow, okay, he's just like me,man, like he it took about 10
minutes for him to feel likecomfortable, cause he was
talking, I'm like talking to themicrophone and I was just
sitting next to him and I wasjust hanging out watching and he
went to town.
So you fast forward, it wasprobably like a 30 minute
(45:22):
recording and about 10 minutesin he wouldn't stop talking.
That's cool.
And I'm like Holy cow, yeah,and I'm like, but do I do it?
And I'm like man, I know, man,I know how it goes.
All it takes that one person tofind the kid and it all changes
(45:45):
.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
You're going to create a gaming sensation.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
No, but how?
Even if I make a YouTubechannel and I make it private
and like, just so like hisfamily members can follow it,
he'll think he's the coolest kidin the world yeah, yeah, why
not?
Speaker 1 (46:00):
it's like having home videos it's really true.
Yeah, like minecraft is sopopular because it really does
replace all the little toys thatyou and I probably remember
from our childhood where webuilt stuff, and you know those
resources are limited.
You only have whatever blocksor thing, legos or whatever your
parents can afford to buy you.
(46:23):
It's very expensive as a hobby.
In video games there's no limit, it's just your imagination.
But the style of play is thesame and it's such a shame that
the adults and powers that be inthe world today are so hung up
on.
Is this technology OK, insteadof realizing play is play and
(46:43):
it's a healthy part of natural,developmentally appropriate
human growth.
It is a natural part ofrestoring your emotional energy
at the end of a tough day, andplay can be for adults as well
as children, all ages really.
And just because it's on ascreen, there's this automatic
bias against it, because thepeople creating that bias had
(47:08):
few things on screens duringthat same part of their their
own life I play so muchminecraft now.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
It's crazy, oh really .
I played all the time with himand it started off.
We were always in a creativeworld and, like you would just
create.
And one day I was like you knowwhat?
I'm gonna create the world.
I'm gonna put it in survival,but I'm gonna take out, I'm
gonna make it peaceful, right oreasy.
(47:39):
So like there's only like acouple mobs and they're not very
aggressive.
You know what I mean?
We have to learn, because Ididn't even know how to make a
shovel.
But now, like I'm the diggerand he'll make me a shovel and
then it'll break and then I'llhe'll have to make me a pickaxe,
and like we work together as ateam and it's gotten to the
point where we're doing it.
And then I would switch it tonormal where, like all of a
(48:00):
sudden, there's enemies, but nowhe's got a sword and he's
killing a zombie or whatever.
They're creeper.
And it's so cool to see theevolution of my kid playing
Minecraft and he's so good at it.
But yet, if it's sunny out,craft and he's so good at it,
but yet if it's sunny out, weare outside playing hockey
(48:21):
street hockey, rollerbladingbaseball like the, check him
into the car?
yeah, exactly like my kid issuper active.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
But I'm kidding marcus, don't do that.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
I don't want anyone to think I'm encouraging you all
, right, so we have the codyrhodes belt and not the real one
and the gunther belt andcurrently I'm the world
heavyweight champion in thehouse and he's the undisputed
champion in the house and wewrestle every single day.
When I tell you, dude, whenwe're done, you should see the
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slap marks on my back.
He literally beats the livingshit out of me and, like, we
have this, it's called thenugget.
It's like a couch that you canmake a fort out of.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
Dude, I straight up powerbomb him on that thing and
he loves it he's still smallenough to like just go through
the air and really enjoy that.
Yeah, yeah, dude, he loves it.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
It was the best.
Yes, I mess him up, but dude,he, that kid, is strong as shit.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
Yeah, he's gonna mess me up one day oh, that'll be
great, although if he's smackingyou, you might have messed up
giving you the gunther belt.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Give him a chop, oh yeah oh no, I'll give him a chop
, but I'll, like, I'll get itlike.
You know what I mean.
But like, he punched me rightin the face one day.
I gave him a chop, boom in hisarms, but like, but it was like,
it still wasn't hard.
You, you know what I mean.
He goes, you chop like Gunther,but Jey Uso beating Gunther.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
I really hope.
I hope your kid is right.
I'm going to be so upset ifthat is not how WrestleMania
goes down.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Oh, it's not going down like that.
Gunther is going to come outand he is going to beat the
living shit out of Jey Uso inabout 30 seconds and he's going
to pin him.
And Jey Uso in about 30 secondsand he's going to pin him.
And Jey Uso is going to be abloody mess sitting on the
ground and he's going to standup and go.
I'm the real champion.
I do not think they're puttingthat belt on him, on Jey Yep.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
I don't like watching Gunther wrestle but he's such a
good wrestler.
Ah, he's good, like the wayBret Hart was good.
Ah, it bothers me so much.
It's not fun to watch, like Idon't mind winning by submission
Marcus, but there's nothingspecial about his headlock and
(50:53):
it's such a cop out ending,ending every single time
understandable.
I can see yeah the sharpshooter,I love it.
The figure four whoa, I love it.
Like the walls of jericho areso good, there's a way to have a
.
The ankle lock oh my gosh, Icould watch people sell the
(51:14):
ankle lock all day.
The headlock, you know what.
Even when John Cena is not evenapplying any pressure with the
STFU, I still love watching thatmove happen, more than Gunther
just locking this in and thenthey're choked out and
unconscious in four seconds andthe refs wave your hand and then
(51:35):
it's over.
The whole match was nothing ifyou were going to end it like
that.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
But I clearly am not passionate about this at all.
I love it, yeah.
So basically, what I'm askingeveryone to do is have
compassion for the noobs whowant to learn Wanderer's Palace.
Don't leave them to die and, ifyou do, don't snap a lame-ass
headlock on them.
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You have to enjoy playing gameswith other people, or else you
do not deserve to continue thejourney.
Thank you.
Welcome to the Gaming Persona Podcast.
This is the show that exploreswho we become when we play games
, whether you're saving kingdoms, leading epic raids or just
vibing in cozy indie worlds.
Join me, dr Gamology and mygood friend Marcus as we search
for all the ways gaming andpersonal growth collide.
Grab your controllers and let'scontinue the journey Now.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Continue the journey now.
There's nothing wrong withdrinking beer just because you
don't like it and you want anumbrella in your drink.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
That's really where we're starting this.
Why not?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
It's okay.
Okay, so you want me to back itup?
When I first met you, youdidn't even drink Like you
wouldn't even have a drink, andnow you're having a margarita
with dinner.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Who are you?
This is amazing.
I just very much disagree withall of the life lessons that I
was held up to by the type ofpeople that held me up to them
and who they think are greathuman beings, while ignoring the
human being that I was.
So there's no reward for beingthe way that I was, so I might
as well just relax and enjoy myevening.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
There's I always say there's.
There's a difference betweenhaving a margarita at dinner or
having two beers while I sithere and do the podcast, versus
drinking five margaritas andthen driving your car.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
You know what I'm saying.
Can you imagine that episode ofthe gaming person?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
We should do one Dude we're, even if it's not that we
should just do one.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
You know, I think here's the thing I am about to
become even more of a publicfigure than I've ever been, and
I have to pay attention to whatI'm putting out there.
Marcus, I've ever been and Ihave to pay attention to what
I'm putting out there.
Marcus, okay, yeah, I'm sorry,but that's just true.
I'm wrapping my head around itbecause some of the things that
I'm talking about I can't talkabout right now, but they
happened this week very excitingstuff for the Dr Gamology brand
(01:58):
.
But you could still like have adrink yeah, but I can't do five
margaritas and record mypodcast.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Why not?
It's a podcast, as the podcastis not tied to your business
persona.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
It is, though, like I report on streaming and podcast
stuff for one of my roles.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I do.
Don't look at me like that.
There could be a train wreckonce in a while.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, there is not a 100% guarantee that this content
is making it into the episode.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I'm so disappointed why this is the real.
You, like people want to hearthe real you.
When you're on a podcast, youdon't have to be your persona,
you just be who you are.
It's when you're streaming you.
When you're on a podcast, youdon't have to be your persona,
you just be who you are.
It's when you're streaming youhave whoever you are.
But, like on a podcast, it's afree form to just flow and have
conversation and, like you, takeyour journey through the
(02:56):
podcast and where it takes you,I'm freeing you, breaking your
chains, doc.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
That's what this podcast is about.
I was already thinking it andyou said it.
You got Sith code on me.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
It's because you're like the Sith Lord.
If there was an emperor in 2025, it would be Emperor Gameology.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
That's pretty true.
This whole thing startedbecause of that silly
myers-briggs type indicatorchart that said the intj was the
label, the mastermind and thestar wars character for that is
emperor palpatine after I hadjust created and chosen sith
sorcerer as my old republiccharacter.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
You're right do you remember who they gave me as a
character?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
No, Do you want me to go pull it up?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
No, no, no, I remember.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I don't remember the letters.
Are you R2-D2?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Nope Princess Leia.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Oh, that's nice, Marcus.
I see it.
I guess Somebody has to save uskids, Okay.
Get this walking carpet out ofmy hallway.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, exactly that's who the leader of Death.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Star Troopers is.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Anyway, hey, I got a question for you.
Yeah, who is the most hatedenemy for you in elden ring?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
oh my gosh, I haven't gone back to where I'm at, so
it could be mesmer becausethat's my unfinished business
right now, but if we're lookingat, well, I'm talking about base
game.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Base game, yeah, like any boss, it could be a mini
boss, it could be like a regularenemy, like like that has the
red bar, a red bar enemy yeah, Igot it.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
When you're approaching the end of the erd
tree where you get to go in andfight the elden beast and finish
the game, hopefully there is aboss that you fight.
You go into the windy,shattered remains from the past.
Oh my gosh, I am so sorry.
(05:14):
It's been a long time.
I can't remember his name, buthe has a black sword that causes
your health bar to shrink whenhe hits you with it, so like it
takes your health and then itshortens your health bar too.
I've never even heard of thisguy.
Yeah, I can look it up whilewe're talking passively and I'll
just interject once I figureout who it is, okay, jamie.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Huh.
So in one of the podcasts Ilistened to, his producer is
Jamie, and anytime they starttalking about something, jamie
has already found it.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Can we get a producer for our show?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
When you make it big and you can ask your 50
companies that are sponsoringyou to pay for a producer.
For us, that would be greatThanks.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, that would be really nice.
So in crumbling Ferrum Azula,which is this ancient place, you
basically had teleported intothe past what's the name I'm
looking.
So when you get to the end ofthat area, you have to fight
maleketh the black blade.
That is my nemesis.
(06:21):
That fight, I was stuck on itto the point where I was
wondering if I'm ever going tobeat this game.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Oh, so yeah, they say this is like the hardest boss
in the game, Really.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
They say that's the true test to see if.
If you're ready to win, yeahright I agree too, because
because the fights that are leftafter that, except for the last
one, I felt like the eldenbeast and fighting, oh man, the
god character.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I know who you're talking about I don't know, I
don't know his name, I haven'tmet him, him, yet.
Radagon of the golden water.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah.
So that whole like final battlestuff, that's epic, it's the
Supreme ordeal.
I love hero's journey stuff andI was all about that.
I got through that a lot fasterthan getting through Malik,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
They say Malik is no joke.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, but you know what?
You can totally get stuck,depending on who you are and the
way you play.
You can get stuck on a bossthat's not the hardest one,
that's just that's what Iremember being the biggest
source of do I want to quit?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, so for me, the hardest boss in the game bosses
in the game for me or give methe most trouble they're not the
hardest are the bell bearinghunters.
Those mother truckers are sithsor sith lords that mess me up
every time I fight them you knowwhat my kryptonite in elden
(07:58):
ring is, marcus yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, cutscenes.
So when you get to a boss thathas a cutscene, I die instantly
on that first pull.
I don't know why it's somethingabout.
If I enter the room and theboss is just standing there and
their health bar pops up and Ican run to where I want to be
(08:22):
and dodge that first hit, I'mgood.
But if we get the defaultstanding spot at the end of a
cut scene, the boss is gonnawreck me.
I just will not dodge it, Iwill not survive.
I don't know how to explain it,but I noticed very early on
that bosses that have cut scenesare an instant death for me.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Okay, and I usually, the first time I fight a boss, I
usually almost kill them andthen I die and then it takes me
a while to kill them.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, but like in baseball, like you have batters
that have their little ritualsof swinging the bat outside of
the box, touching differentparts of their shoulder,
adjusting their stuff, and ifthey do all of that they have
their confidence in their swing.
And if that gets disrupted?
I haven't watched baseball along time but I guess they've
(09:16):
done a lot of stuff to help withthe speed of the game.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, so pitch clock.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, it was a pitch clock, okay, I haven't watched
since that got instituted.
I'm a little behind on whatit's like, but I'm sure people's
rituals have adjusted to theamount of time in the pitch
clock, right yeah, still, butit's.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
it was needed because it was a dying breed, in my
opinion, as a sport, becauseit's so long and unknown.
You can watch a uh a at Bruinsgame and be done in two hours.
You can watch a basketball gamebe done in two hours.
You can watch a football gameand know it's going to be three
(09:52):
hours because of commercials,but you know how long it's going
to be when, like, a baseballgame could be two and a half
hours or it could be five hours,and I'm not saying that's a
problem, but it drags on.
And I'm not saying that's aproblem, but it drags on.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
So I understand what you're saying with some of the
bosses.
Yeah, that's just the way it is.
That's my own quirk.
It's the way my brain works, ordoesn't work my kryptonite
right Like you.
Just got to keep playing untilyou figure it out.
Actually, my whole gaming week,marcus, has been about failure.
(10:30):
So when we were talking earlierin the week, where are we going
to cover?
I just like I don't know.
I've been trying to playAssassin's Creed.
I'm terrible at it.
I played Final Fantasy 14 thismorning on my stream and had a
really bad experience in thatgame too and that's one of my
games, so I was shook.
But some really awesome stuffhappened later in the day that
(10:53):
my stream can't ruin, so I gotover it.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
But during my stream I was just like so upset because
I want to play I just honestly,I've committed, I've made my
decision that I am going to beatelden ring like bloodline rules
, marcus, yeah, I like I can'tlet it beat me, even though I
(11:16):
want to, I get so mad and that'swhy I was playing.
I'm in, so I'm in themountaintops of the giants, but
my personality is not like youwhere you need to like a hundred
percent an area, okay.
So I am not like I am theultimate in like squirrel where
(11:39):
right kind of a guy.
So I I was watching a video,sweet johnny cage, and I'm in
the mountaintop, and he was saidsomething about volcano manor.
I was like man, I still haven'tdone volcano manor, so I
beelined it down there.
And then I my youtube alwayssuggests something oh, things
you missed in learning of thelakes.
And I was like, oh, I need alittle filler video, I'll watch
(12:02):
it.
And they were like, oh, in thesouthern part of the lake
there's blah, blah, blah quest.
And I was like I never did that.
Oh, and then I left volcanomanner and did that.
So I'm playing in threedifferent areas all at once and
it's just a scattered mess.
And then I was trying, and thenI saw another squirrel where it
(12:23):
was like and then I saw anothersquirrel where it was like oh
shit, I didn't kill all the bellbearing hunters.
Oh, there's one in altusplateau is the last one.
I gotta go do that now.
So now I'm like you know what Imean, but that's.
But now I'm like okay, do I goback now before I continue in
the mountaintops and just goclear a bunch of shit and then
(12:48):
just say, okay, now I'm going tothe mountaintops and I'm going
to do it.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
It really is up to you.
If you clear the final fights,marcus, you have a choice at
that point to continue clearingthings on the map that you've
already discovered, or new gameplus, and basically start over.
And there are benefits to beingElden Lord and still going
(13:14):
around the world clearing stuff,collecting weapons and things.
You don't have to rush into asecond playthrough at all, so
you can do unfinished businessas much as you want through it
all so you can do unfinishedbusiness as much as you want.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I don't think I'm gonna do new game plus.
I think I'm gonna start a brandnew kit like what, after I beat
it, I'm gonna be final fantasy14 and what I mean.
Like I'm gonna get throughrealm reborn, I'm reborn.
Yep, I'm gonna do heaven's ward.
I'm gonna do whatever the nextones are.
Like I'm going to play the snotout of 14 because I want to,
(13:51):
but right now, with a lot oftime I have, I just need to
focus on Elden Ring and onlyplay it.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah, both of those games really are better
experiences if you're justfocusing on them.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
So that's my plan is to be Elden Ring Like cause.
Now I'm doing like you wereplaying it, how?
Like you're watching videos andall you can think about is
Elden Ring.
That's kind of where I'm at nowagain.
So I don't want to ruin thatmojo and I'm just in it.
And it was going to circle backto a question for you, but I'll
get to it in a second and myscatterbrain elden ring is
(14:28):
really good for it, because Ican do a bunch of stuff and then
I always remember to come back.
You know what I mean.
Like I've done all of volcanomanor.
I just haven't walked throughthe boss's door.
Like there was a part I washanging out with doritos and he
was watching me in discord playand I was in volcano manor and,
believe it or not, he's involcano manor and he starts
(14:49):
chuckling to himself what's sofunny?
He goes nothing.
And then I walk into the roomand it's this big, white, fat
boss guy and he's got a giantbelly.
Yeah, I forget what he's called.
God skin duo, god skin duo,yeah or god skin something.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, so this guy he's called Godskin.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Duo, godskin Duo, yeah.
Or Godskin something, yeah.
So this guy, he's a jerk face.
But I didn't know I was walkinginto a boss fight and I got my
butt whooped by that guy.
Yeah, I got him to the secondphase where he starts rolling.
But note to self if you're justplaying Elden Ring, hide behind
the pillars.
He can't roll through thepillars at you.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Can't roll through the pillars at you, can't roll
through solid objects.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
But I'm going to circle it back to you.
Why is my brain so scattered inthe game versus yours not?
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Oh my goodness, marcus, I think, I think.
I think that we would see thatpattern in a lot of different
activities.
I really do.
I think we would see it in theway we go about mowing a lawn.
I think we would see it in theway we go about shopping in a
(16:05):
grocery store.
I think that we see it in theway that we play Elden Ring.
I think that for me, efficiencyand being methodical are two
very high priorities, and Idon't like all the reasons why I
think that's true for me, but Iknow that what I just said is
(16:27):
true For you.
I think that you dabble inspontaneity, and having fun and
generally like seeing thepositive is much more important
to you than I want to feel likeI'm in the positive.
It's not like I want to nothave that, but for you, you
(16:52):
preserve that just the way youthink about things and talk
about things, and I'm always atrisk of losing that, and so the
way I go about things sucks thefun out of it so that I can be
efficient.
Or you want to maximize theamount of experience that you
can gain you.
You want to earn all the runesthat you can.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
These are highly prioritized things for me and
you know it's really, you knowit's really funny, huh is, I
don't even care about runes,because I know that if I need
runes I'll just go to the spotwhere you shoot the bird off the
cliff and I can get as manyrunes as I need.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
That works until you start needing 300,000 runes or
more.
Oh yeah, there's a point whereyou're leveling up and you're in
the 600s to 713 level where youstart needing millions of runes
to rank up one more skill point.
(17:58):
So you need to hunt biggerbirds.
Basically, you have to findplaces that yield a higher
number of runes for you to everget that next level up.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Oh, my God, I forgot to tell you the one more
scatterbrain place I went yeah,so there's a.
So the weapon I use is the moonveil.
In my left hand I use the UjiKatana with frostbite on it.
It's a cold thing, yeah, anyway.
So I'm dual wielding, but Iwanted to max out my moon veil
and it uses somber smithingstones.
(18:31):
So I went to where I don't knowwhat his name is he's the lord
of blood.
I don't know what his name is,moog and I went through his
whole dungeon to find thattreasure chest that had that max
level dragon skin.
Uh, thingy thing, a somberthing, so yeah somber smithing
(18:52):
stone.
So I got it.
I was like, sweet hit.
The grace came back and I waslike, oh, you know what, I'll go
give the boss a fight.
I try.
I walked into his fight, okay.
First of all, I'm clearly notready for that fight, or maybe
I'm not leveled enough.
I'm at like 140, I don't know.
(19:12):
Whatever I am, it doesn, itdoesn't matter.
Skill, this is a skill issue.
So I get him halfway or almost,and then he does this move
where like he lights up the roomred and I just die Circle
around you.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yeah, the circle.
Oh my gosh.
The circle Marcus.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yeah, I literally, doc.
I took the greatest controllerever, which is an xbox
controller.
I held it in my hand and Ilooked at it and I was like not
today.
And I put it down and I walkedaway.
I have no idea what that guydid to me, but he did it you
escaped from a bad gamingsituation, marcus.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I talk about this in my presentations all the time
where you were in it and you'rejust like no, not today, Like in
Game of Thrones.
What do we say to the Lord ofDeath?
Not today, right?
Oh man, that's so great.
You just brought all of myworlds crashing together.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, doc, I learned with this game I have to walk
away, because if I don't, I'llnot play it yeah, you gotta
preserve your sanity well, and Ilearned too that madness
release you um, I can't die yes,go.
(20:30):
Well, you know, in lindell, theuh, what are the big trees
called the ur tree?
Yeah, okay, there was a putridone somewhere where it dropped
scarlet rot.
It took me forever to beat thatthing, I don't know why just
did.
Yeah, I find that the biggerbosses are easier for me to beat
than the other bosses.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Other bosses.
Ads are frequently harder thanbosses in video games.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
So, I was stuck in Lindell and I stopped playing it
for months and then one day mybuddy was over because he was
neck deep in it Like firstplaythrough.
He's like you, 100%, everything.
What's the strongest build?
He can have Two giant hammersstrength build Like he's three
shotting everything.
You know what I mean, butanyway, my point is he's three
shotting everything.
You know what I mean, butanyway, my point is he's just
(21:18):
turn it on and play it and Ibeat it first try.
I was like oh yeah, and insteadof stressing myself out to the
max, I can just put it down andwalk away.
But I have this like thing inthe back of my head that keeps
telling me final fantasy.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
14 here feel yeah think, yes, yeah, you got to.
Marcus, we should play afterthis podcast.
Even if it's just one dungeoncould be fun I don't know if I
still have game time.
I'll get you game time, marcus.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I'm not worried about that, I'm just saying Either
way, it's just it defeats me.
Yeah, and that brings me to thefollow-up to all of this.
I don't know how people canjuggle more than one game at a
(22:18):
time, or maybe two, because like, oh, I played a video game and
leave.
You know what I mean.
Yes, you know what I'm saying,but I I know people that are
(22:39):
playing like three giant storygames all at the same time and
it yeah, I don't know how theydo it either.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I really struggle with that because by the time I
come back to game a after goinginto game B, I don't remember
how to play or the story, or Imight remember the major
characters but not so much theminor ones, and that's really
hard when the story is one ofthe key points that matters.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
That's almost like side quests in an MMO, right?
Yeah, you know what I mean.
If you're playing the mainstory and you're following the
story and it's so good, and thenyou get veered off into 10 side
quests.
By the time you come back tothe main story, you don't even
know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yeah, I saw a meme that was the Avengers end game,
but it was using ideas fromFinal Fantasy 14.
Okay, it had Scarlet Witch.
When she's about to show downwith Thanos, okay, and she's
like she's going to kick Thanos'ass, right, because Thanos
makes it through that moment,because other things interfere,
(23:44):
and she's you took everythingfrom me.
But this is past Thanos, right,he hasn't done that yet.
So he just looks at her andsays I don't even know who you
are.
And that is me talking to anycharacter in Final Fantasy 14,
because I skipped too many cutscenes and I had no idea what
was going on at a certain point.
(24:06):
I mean, I, I knew the majorplayers, but it did get to a
point where I skipped too much.
But it did get to a point whereI skipped too much.
There are so many 45 minute cutscenes in that game and it's
(24:31):
hard at the time when I wasstreaming that for me to enjoy
streaming it, because I wantedto play the game, not host PS4
graphics movie night I haven'tgotten to those yet.
Yeah, it's tough, but I'm in adifferent mindset now.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
But is it like text cutscenes or is it like real CGI
cutscenes?
Speaker 1 (24:49):
It's like gameplay cutscenes with voiceover and
then some of them are gameplaycut scenes with text and for me,
my personal opinion and thesuper diehard, lore driven Final
Fantasy 14 players, if theylisten to our show, we'll roll
(25:18):
their eyes and lose faith in mewhen I say this, but I
personally feel like, if thescene was not voiced by voice
actors, square Enix isimplicitly telling me what
happens in this scene is lessimportant.
100%, I agree with you 100%.
Yeah, but when that scene thatis not voiced is still 30
minutes of exposition and stuffto watch it, and I skipped it.
What I'm risking is I now nolonger have continuity with the
(25:41):
story.
So what I actually did duringmy most recent playthrough,
marcus, is I have my good friendBen solo, the Kylo Ren, and
what I do now the Kylo Ren andwhat I do now.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
The Kylo Ren.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yes, yeah, if I tilt it this way, you can see I
journal what is happening in thestory in Final Fantasy XIV.
Now I write down what I want toremember about the thing.
It gives my brain something todo and it stops me from loathing
.
How long the scene is going on.
(26:18):
It's OK, so this might be 18minutes longer than I wanted it
to be, but who's talking?
What do they want me to do?
How does this help me become abetter warrior of light?
It helps me remember whichbosses are in which dungeons,
which was a huge problem for me,because it's like I'm fighting
these amazing looking monstersbut I have no idea why is this
glowing angel Griffin with snakearms in this temple?
(26:42):
They told me they really didtell me why this temple is
dangerous and I wasn't payingattention.
And so now I'm just fighting ageneric monster that actually
isn't generic.
There's a mythos around thesecharacters and why they are what
they are, and I want to knowwhat that is.
Okay, yeah, like, why doesDarth Vader have a red
(27:05):
lightsaber?
Because he's a Sith.
That's the mark of being a badguy, but if you skip all the
scenes that tell you what a Sithis, it's just oh, he has a
cooler looking weapon than a lotof the good guys.
And then the more you skip, thedumber your understanding is of
what's going on, and I don'twant to see the game that way
anymore.
I really want to feel the wholegame inside me the way I know,
(27:30):
just by looking at an image.
That's Endor, that's Hoth.
This is Kashyyyk.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Wow, that's a commitment, man.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
That's what I want Final Fantasy XIV and Eorzea to
be for me.
I realize that the reason SWTORis so good for me is that Star
Wars is in my DNA.
I just understand it, no matterwhat I just saw.
Maybe some of the other movies,like the Planets and Rogue One,
(27:59):
are very forgettable comparedto the original trilogy and the
prequel trilogy Planets, butthat's because I've only seen
Rogue One like three or fourtimes.
It's not really Rogue One'sfault, but Rogueli, the best
Star Wars movie ever made.
I still have only seen it aboutfour times, marcus, as opposed
(28:23):
to the movies that were there inmy childhood.
Oh yeah, of course.
I'm a college kid with a PS2that plays DVDs and there's no
streaming services yet.
That plays DVDs and there's nostreaming services yet.
So I watched Star Wars while Iwas doing all my papers as a
college student.
Like every day I would watch aStar Wars movie, like I was
(28:44):
absorbing the visual language ofStar Wars in a way that I want
to absorb the visual language ofFinal Fantasy and just
instantly know what region I'min.
And since I'm playing A RealmReborn for about the third time,
I really am starting to havethat for the early part of the
(29:06):
game.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I know nothing of what's going on.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
That's okay.
You're the warrior of light.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
You got to save the universe the thing about SWTOR
and say what you want.
It is the best MMO ever made.
Because what, yeah, sorry.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I should not have interrupted you, my bad.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
No, you're fine.
It's the best MMO ever made.
Because of how good the classstories are, forget about
anything else.
I've played a lot of MMOs.
Nothing compares to that.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
So level 1 to 50.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yes, those stories are incredible.
If you play MMOs and youhaven't played, played it.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
you're crazy to not play it can we tack on shadow of
reven?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
yeah, you could attack attack.
Can we tack?
On kofi and cot cot, cotet andcotfi yeah, that that story was
incredible that I came.
You might not like it it was asingle player adventure, but as
a right, but like the storieswere incredible and the cut
scenes were incredible andeverything is voice acted, it's
(30:17):
that game is hands down the bestclass story or story based mmo
there is you know what?
Speaker 1 (30:29):
know what?
I want to juxtapose somethingthat's been frustrating me all
day from Final Fantasy and thentalk about why Sotor is so
special to me.
Okay, I did a dungeon becauseI'm trying to get my relic
weapon as a paladin.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I want it to be a glowing, shiny, radiant sword
with a glowy, shiny radiantshield.
What color?
I think it's gonna end upglowing white or yellow, if I
had to guess.
I don't control it, it's justthe relic weapon okay and in
order to do that, I have toclear this level 50 dungeon
(31:08):
using the sword and shieldbefore they glow.
It's called the Wanderer'sPalace and it's from the
original endgame, when it wasjust a Realm Reborn, level 50.
Okay, so I'm the tank.
That means that I need to holdthe enemies, the healer needs to
keep me alive, the DPS needs tokill down the enemies and as
(31:30):
far as where we run and how fastwe go through the dungeon, I
feel like me being the one whoqueued in.
As a tank.
I'm the leader.
But in final fantasy 14, thereare some non-teamwork children
that play that game Okay, 40 and50 year old children and in
(31:52):
their mind they got a hammerstation, all this shit, right.
What that means is like theyjust got to run through
everything.
Do it as fast as they can.
Do their little neat things.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
They want the tank.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
They want the tank to just pull all the mobs on the
way to every boss and just notdie.
And I told them I'm new at thebeginning of the dungeon.
I've never cleared wanderer'spalace nobody cares as a tank.
Nobody cared.
They left me and I died.
So then I tried to catch up andpulled all the mobs, but the
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healer thought they're a DPS.
So again I died and they likeyelled at me for pulling all the
mobs as the tank.
I just told them after thesecond time that they blatantly
ignored me and let me die.
I can't do this right nowbecause subtext I had a work
meeting in 12 minutes so Ibailed on the dungeon, left them
(32:51):
.
They probably didn't completeit.
I felt really hurt by thatexperience from these three
strangers.
Right, like, why did they treatme like?
Like, why is it not okay forthis to be my first time doing
the dungeon?
I get it.
You're sick of wanderer'spalace?
You've been playing it for 14years.
(33:12):
I've never tanked it.
I told you I've never tanked itright.
So back to swotor.
In swotor, the mobs and thedamage they do.
You can't pull three mobs invery many dungeons, at least the
way I remember star wars, theold republic being, you might be
(33:32):
able to pull two.
You might be able to sneak pastone and not even fight it,
which that's cool, becauseswotor had stealth.
So there were a lot ofdifferent options for how to
clear a dungeon, but the way Iremember it being is you had to
do one mob at a time because ifyou pull too many things your
tank will get overwhelmed andthe healers will not keep up and
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all four of you will die.
But Sotar also had master modechapters that you could play for
the highest difficulty, forsomething designed for you to
beat alone, alone.
And today I felt upset morethat there is no way to do
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Wanderer's Palace solo at level50.
They haven't added it into thegame yet.
They're doing it like one ortwo of those old dungeons at a
time.
And I was just thinking, man,if this was Star Wars, the old
Republic, I'd just be able toclear this alone.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yeah, but Final Fantasy 14 is a true MMO where
you have to group up.
They force you to group up.
You can't power level in thatgame.
You have to play the game, thatgame.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
you have to play the game.
If I got Paladin up to level 60, I actually would be able to
complete Wanderer's Palace byunsinking the level.
So the enemies would be 50, butI'd be able to run through at
60.
Oh but again, it's not intendedfor that, but I'm not level 60
yet and I don't want to be overleveled on my main class for the
story.
I really don't.
I'm enjoying what I'm playingin the story.
(35:15):
When it comes to the groupcontent, I just felt really
mistreated by the people whodidn't have time to play with
someone like me.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
And.
But that happens anywhere.
It happens in star Wars, theRepublic and it happens in all
of the games.
If you're, if you watch, ifyou're a new player in Star Wars
, the Republic and you go into aflashpoint which is their
dungeons and there's cut sceneswith you actually watch the cut
scenes, people will kick you outof the dungeon.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
That doesn't mean it's not shitty.
Just because a lot of people doit, it is shitty, right?
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Like why is there so muchasshole in gaming fandom?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
I think because in mmos people invest so much of
their time and they do the samething over and over and, over
and over again for the xp or thereward or whatever it may be,
for the carrot at the end of thedungeon, that anybody that
slows them down, they don't care.
(36:17):
Oh, I'm new to this, I don'tcare, we just need to beat this
so I can get my thing.
And I can do it five more timesand if you watch the cut scenes
I'm kicking you out.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, it hurt me, like yeah, I.
Luckily, though, I had otherthings in my life to do today
that went really well.
And let me remember who I amand I'm not actually a paladin,
I'm me so that helped to cancelout the negative energy.
But while I'm on Twitch and Ihave people saying hi to me and
(36:51):
me for the first time and peoplehanging out with me that spend
almost every Thursday with me,and after the last two streams
of Assassin's Creed, where Ifelt already like a gaming
failure very extreme languagethere, I know, but that's how I
felt like I don't understand howto play Assassin's Creed yet
All of my instincts are wrongand get me killed all so quick.
(37:13):
I have to figure out somethingif I'm going to continue that
game because I want to enjoy it.
Same thing with Monster Hunteractually, like I want to enjoy
it, I just haven't reallyfigured out how to do it.
All right.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Can I give you some Assassin's Creed advice?
Sure, go play Odyssey, don'tplay the new one.
Oh for real.
Yeah, the new one's terrible.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
You think so?
Yeah, I like Japan though.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah, but I'm talking about the game itself.
If you go and play Odyssey orOrigins, if you want to go to
Egypt and play Origins, you wantto go to greek mythology, like
that time.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Yeah, go to play odyssey, it you go play, I wish
what about the third one, whereyou're in the revolutionary war,
black flag, no that's four.
Oh, I didn't ever play, Iplayed origins I really feel
like I would enjoy taking outbritish soldiers but okay, so go
play that.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
But I played odyssey because I'm greek and that's
really intriguing to me.
That game is incredible.
The new one is not that likeyou'll if you play one of the
older ones and you'll be like,wow, this is incredible, I can't
stop playing it.
That's interesting.
You know what I mean.
I say just give them a try andI bet you can.
I bet some of them are free, ifnot five bucks.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
I have several of them, many different ways to
play them.
I think I have some on steam.
No, I have some of them onPlayStation plus.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Oh my God, speaking of steam, did you see steam as
partnering with?
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Microsoft, I did not, but, but tell me more so very
soon, all steam games will be onthe xbox oh yes, I did see that
.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
That's super exciting for people like you yes,
because now I can take all mysteam games and play on my xbox
oh, so you can put them up onthe tv.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Oh, that's so cool.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
I think that's such a cool feature like that.
To be honest, I hopeplaystation does that too,
because that will connect thebridge for them.
Am I?
Speaker 1 (39:21):
yeah, you know what I mean also cuts down on me
having to double buy games.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Oh, that has to be the worst.
I understand that now becauseI'm like okay, the next game, do
I buy it on the pc or do I buyit on the playstation?
Or it's hard, or we pay forgame pass or do I pay but
there's it on game pass.
But I don't play on the xboxenough, but I get it on my, my
(39:48):
computer yeah, and for methere's I have two different
handhelds that I like a lot.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
I have the playstation portal, which works
if you have a strong wi-fisignal, but does not work if you
do not, because the game is notactually on there.
It's just a window to seewhat's on your ps5.
And then there's a steam deck.
The game is actually installedon the hard drive, but you can
only play your games from Steamon that, and so if I want to
(40:14):
play a game on my PlayStation, Ido not get to play it on my
Steam Deck, and so there's Ihave to choose every game I
purchase.
What is the way I'm going toplay this the most number of
hours?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, yeah, the way I'm gonna play this the most
number of hours.
Yeah, yeah and yeah it's.
I'm trying to think what else.
There was something else bigthat happened today.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Oh, do you know the company tencent yeah, don't they
run like the biggest game inthe world?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
they just bought 25 of ubisoft rainbow six assassins
creed oh shit, I just read it.
It's huge.
So they purchased and Ubisoftis creating a subsidiary
business for all of their bigfar cry.
And they just purchased 25% ofthe company Because Ubisoft is
(41:04):
doing so bad.
Wow, it's 1.24 billion, I thinkI I read.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
I might be wrong on the numbers I mean, financially,
tencent is one of the mostpowerful companies on the planet
, I pretty sure.
Yeah, dude, but what's theirmain game that causes all of
this?
All of them?
Yeah, there's gotta be one gameto rule them all what is 10
(41:40):
cents?
Speaker 2 (41:41):
big honor of kings, also known as arena of valor.
Internationally.
A multiplayer online battlemobile game okay.
Honor of kings, I'll revenue amillion internationally.
A multiplayer online battlemobile game Okay.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
I'm not sure that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Millions of US dollars.
It's 1.86 billion dollars.
Pubg mobile 1.1 billion dollars.
Dungeon Fighter 800 million.
Battle of the Golden Shovel 400billion.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Wait, do they make League of legends?
Speaker 2 (42:11):
I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, that's riot
, riot okay, I really wish, Ireally wish I knew this.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
All right games, so they have the mobile version.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
You ready for this?
In 2011, riot Games wasacquired by Chinese conglomerate
Tencent.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Yeah, so it's League of Legends.
That's it.
Wow, yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
So if I was more active in eSports.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
I would have known that instantly.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Epic.
Epic Games is owned by Tencentas well.
Yeah, Fortnite and stuff.
Oh my God.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
They are one of the most powerful companies.
It's Fortnite, it's League ofLegends, yeah, it's all the same
company, have you ever playedFortnite Just?
A little bit.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Like just a little bit.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yeah, like the three tutorial matches and that's it
All right.
I've never played a match withother living human beings.
Yeah, it wasn't for me but whatif we played together and
realized that it's secretlysuper fun to just do stupid
stuff and get killed by johncena?
Speaker 2 (43:24):
I was just gonna say if I did it I would have to get
some of their like in cash shopso I could buy.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Yes like if I play fortnite, darth vader or anakin
skywalker, it's over like Iwould play every day.
When I played it, snoop doggand eminem were available for
purchase, and I like eminem ohyeah, I could be the banana guy.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
That's who I I would be.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yeah, I just I didn't feel like.
I didn't feel like.
Playing as him in Fortnite wasmy dream.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Oh, do you?
What editing video editingsoftware do you use?
Davinci?
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Resolve.
I have it Okay.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
So my son, I put him on Minecraft on this computer.
Okay, I opened up Streamlabs, Iclicked record and I said Rhino
, go, he goes, daddy, am Istreaming?
Sure are, pal, make sure youtalk to your people.
He's a mini me.
(44:25):
So it took him about 10 minutesto get in the groove.
So he's playing Minecraft,explaining to what he's doing
and I'm like, oh my.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
It's like imaginative play yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
So I'm going to take that video and I'm going to edit
it down to something and I'mgoing to create him a YouTube
channel.
I'm not gonna tell him and I'mjust once a week I'm gonna put
him in front of the computer,click record and just watch him
(44:59):
go so is it like with webcam, orjust his voice webcam?
wow, okay, he's just like me,man, like he it took about 10
minutes for him to feel likecomfortable, cause he was
talking, I'm like talking to themicrophone and I was just
sitting next to him and I wasjust hanging out watching and he
went to town.
So you fast forward, it wasprobably like a 30 minute
(45:22):
recording and about 10 minutesin he wouldn't stop talking.
That's cool.
And I'm like Holy cow, yeah,and I'm like, but do I do it?
And I'm like man, I know, man,I know how it goes.
All it takes that one person tofind the kid and it all changes
(45:45):
.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
You're going to create a gaming sensation.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
No, but how?
Even if I make a YouTubechannel and I make it private
and like, just so like hisfamily members can follow it,
he'll think he's the coolest kidin the world yeah, yeah, why
not?
Speaker 1 (46:00):
it's like having home videos it's really true.
Yeah, like minecraft is sopopular because it really does
replace all the little toys thatyou and I probably remember
from our childhood where webuilt stuff, and you know those
resources are limited.
You only have whatever blocksor thing, legos or whatever your
parents can afford to buy you.
(46:23):
It's very expensive as a hobby.
In video games there's no limit, it's just your imagination.
But the style of play is thesame and it's such a shame that
the adults and powers that be inthe world today are so hung up
on.
Is this technology OK, insteadof realizing play is play and
(46:43):
it's a healthy part of natural,developmentally appropriate
human growth.
It is a natural part ofrestoring your emotional energy
at the end of a tough day, andplay can be for adults as well
as children, all ages really.
And just because it's on ascreen, there's this automatic
bias against it, because thepeople creating that bias had
(47:08):
few things on screens duringthat same part of their their
own life I play so muchminecraft now.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
It's crazy, oh really .
I played all the time with himand it started off.
We were always in a creativeworld and, like you would just
create.
And one day I was like you knowwhat?
I'm gonna create the world.
I'm gonna put it in survival,but I'm gonna take out, I'm
gonna make it peaceful, right oreasy.
(47:39):
So like there's only like acouple mobs and they're not very
aggressive.
You know what I mean?
We have to learn, because Ididn't even know how to make a
shovel.
But now, like I'm the diggerand he'll make me a shovel and
then it'll break and then I'llhe'll have to make me a pickaxe,
and like we work together as ateam and it's gotten to the
point where we're doing it.
And then I would switch it tonormal where, like all of a
(48:00):
sudden, there's enemies, but nowhe's got a sword and he's
killing a zombie or whatever.
They're creeper.
And it's so cool to see theevolution of my kid playing
Minecraft and he's so good at it.
But yet, if it's sunny out,craft and he's so good at it,
but yet if it's sunny out, weare outside playing hockey
(48:21):
street hockey, rollerbladingbaseball like the, check him
into the car?
yeah, exactly like my kid issuper active.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
But I'm kidding marcus, don't do that.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
I don't want anyone to think I'm encouraging you all
, right, so we have the codyrhodes belt and not the real one
and the gunther belt andcurrently I'm the world
heavyweight champion in thehouse and he's the undisputed
champion in the house and wewrestle every single day.
When I tell you, dude, whenwe're done, you should see the
(48:49):
slap marks on my back.
He literally beats the livingshit out of me and, like, we
have this, it's called thenugget.
It's like a couch that you canmake a fort out of.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
Dude, I straight up powerbomb him on that thing and
he loves it he's still smallenough to like just go through
the air and really enjoy that.
Yeah, yeah, dude, he loves it.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
It was the best.
Yes, I mess him up, but dude,he, that kid, is strong as shit.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
Yeah, he's gonna mess me up one day oh, that'll be
great, although if he's smackingyou, you might have messed up
giving you the gunther belt.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Give him a chop, oh yeah oh no, I'll give him a chop
, but I'll, like, I'll get itlike.
You know what I mean.
But like, he punched me rightin the face one day.
I gave him a chop, boom in hisarms, but like, but it was like,
it still wasn't hard.
You, you know what I mean.
He goes, you chop like Gunther,but Jey Uso beating Gunther.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
I really hope.
I hope your kid is right.
I'm going to be so upset ifthat is not how WrestleMania
goes down.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Oh, it's not going down like that.
Gunther is going to come outand he is going to beat the
living shit out of Jey Uso inabout 30 seconds and he's going
to pin him.
And Jey Uso in about 30 secondsand he's going to pin him.
And Jey Uso is going to be abloody mess sitting on the
ground and he's going to standup and go.
I'm the real champion.
I do not think they're puttingthat belt on him, on Jey Yep.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
I don't like watching Gunther wrestle but he's such a
good wrestler.
Ah, he's good, like the wayBret Hart was good.
Ah, it bothers me so much.
It's not fun to watch, like Idon't mind winning by submission
Marcus, but there's nothingspecial about his headlock and
(50:53):
it's such a cop out ending,ending every single time
understandable.
I can see yeah the sharpshooter,I love it.
The figure four whoa, I love it.
Like the walls of jericho areso good, there's a way to have a
.
The ankle lock oh my gosh, Icould watch people sell the
(51:14):
ankle lock all day.
The headlock, you know what.
Even when John Cena is not evenapplying any pressure with the
STFU, I still love watching thatmove happen, more than Gunther
just locking this in and thenthey're choked out and
unconscious in four seconds andthe refs wave your hand and then
(51:35):
it's over.
The whole match was nothing ifyou were going to end it like
that.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
But I clearly am not passionate about this at all.
I love it, yeah.
So basically, what I'm askingeveryone to do is have
compassion for the noobs whowant to learn Wanderer's Palace.
Don't leave them to die and, ifyou do, don't snap a lame-ass
headlock on them.
(52:01):
You have to enjoy playing gameswith other people, or else you
do not deserve to continue thejourney.
Thank you.
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