Building Bows & Chasing Bucks: Roger Dean III on Crafting Custom Gear and Hunting Deer

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Mike JCL known perfect.
You don't know what thatmountain's going to bring.
You don't know what thatmountain's going to bring.
I accidentally drifted my canoebetween a sow and a cub.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
And she's like charged and hit the back of the
canoe.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
His head hit the ground before his ass did.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
Begging and begging and crying to go with my
grandfather, go with my fatheron these deer drives.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
You know, the last trip over I shot a great Cape
Buffalo with my bow Chargingbluegrass, and then the whooping
, and then you hear a body drop.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Welcome to the Garden State Outdoorsman Podcast.
I'm your new host, FrankMestica, taking over from Mr
Mike Nighttrain.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
And I'm the old Squatch, everybody knows me.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
How you all doing, and we have an awesome guest
today.
He actually it's Roger Dean III.
He goes by Foguyoutdoors onInstagram.
Roger, nice to meet you, man.
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Nice to meet you guys too, man.
Thanks for having me Welcome.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yeah, Anytime, man, Looking forward to this one.
So uh, Roger, why don't youjust give us like a little bit
of your background, like how yougot started?
You know, the floor is yours.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, man, uh started shooting art show when I was
about 10 years old.
My dad got me my first bow fromWalmart.
It was on sale for like 25 or50 bucks in a whole package, so
it was a bear, black bear andtook my test when I was 11.
And since then I've been hooked.
I've shot competitive archeryover the years, worked in a

(01:39):
bunch of shops before I decidedto go out on my own and you know
now just kind of shoot as muchas I can and and set up as many
bows and build as many arrows aspeople let me.
So that's about it for me.
I have five kids and I like toinvolve them in everything that
I do too, so just kind of tryingto carry the tradition and and
keep it going, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
No, absolutely.
I think that that's reallyimportant.
You know, yeah, cause I got, um, actually a 15 year old
daughter and a four year old sontook my daughter out when she
was smaller.
At least she tried it, let'sjust put it that way.
She tried.
It came in the tree stand withme Once she was done with the

(02:20):
snacks.
That said it was daddy.
I want to go home and couldn'tget her back out after that.
But you know it's having my son.
He's really into it.
I try to incorporate him ineverything I do.
So I'm looking forward to acouple more years we'll be
taking him out heck, yeah, justso unsteady, like my son that I

(02:41):
hunt with mostly.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Now he's 18 and, uh, there was a period there where,
like I couldn't even I couldn'tbribe him with anything to get
him to come and sit in the woodswith me, and, uh, when he, when
he turned 13, he shot his firstdeer.
He thought it was cool for aminute, you know, and then, yeah
, kind of fell back out of it.
It was, you know, because theway I hunt's not really, um, I

(03:02):
guess, modern.
I just kind of try to keep itold school and stuff.
So we have some dry sets andwhatnot.
But once he uh, once he hit acertain age, like 14, 15, I mean
, he lives for it now just asmuch as I do.
So it's pretty cool.
You just got to kind of bepatient and let them go at their
own pace when it comes to that.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
No, absolutely no, that's.
That's definitely true.
So you know it's tough?
Yeah, absolutely, but yeah, so,like, what's your type of hunt?
In any way, because I know likedo you usually hunt out of tree
stands?
Because I saw that, that youkilled um your first buck with
the muzzleloader off the ground.

(03:38):
Right, that was my first deer.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
That was my first deer off the ground period.
So, um, yeah, all of my deerthat I've I've shot up until
that buck with the muzzleloader.
This year that was inconnecticut, so that was my
first connecticut deer.
Uh, first muzzleloader deer andfirst one off the ground ever.
So it was kind of a cool hunt.
I mean, the deer didn't, youknow, come to any kind of real
size, but for me it was just.

(04:01):
You know, I don't really livefor that kind of stuff, I'm more
the experience, but we mobilehunt a lot you know, all from
trees and we run camerasperiodically, but you know we're
not set by them.
This year that did help merunning cameras, but we move so
much it's hard for us to do that.
To do that, you know.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
So yeah, no, no.
I hear you Now.
Do you normally hunt like likestate land?
Do you have private pieces oris it just strictly state land?

Speaker 2 (04:27):
We don't have any private.
The only private I've I sat in.
The last I couldn't even tellyou 10 or 15 years was I got
invited to go sit on a lease inOhio this year to Shockton
County, which was cool, butnothing came of it, you know.
But all the hunting that we doon our own is is a hundred
percent state land.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Nice, nice.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Yeah, squatch was out in Ohio too this year I was out
there for a few days, like whenwe went down it was so hot, man
, we caught a heat streak and mycameras were blowing up at home
on my target bucks.
Here and it was.
We saw one decent buck, um, youknow, two and a half year old,

(05:07):
wasn't big for ohio and my, myson and I let it walk.
Uh, one of the other guys inthe party ended up shooting it
you know, hey, it's okay.
I mean, hey, you know what, hewas happy with it.
We're happy for him, um, but itwas kind of like um, you know.
You know, we were tent camp andwe got some rain so we were
getting homesick.
We just wanted to get back homeand get after our bucks here.

(05:29):
But Ohio was nice.
It's a lot like here.
I'm, I'm in, uh, the HudsonValley, upstate, new York, here,
and it's, you know, same kindof basically all the same
terrain, kind of yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Even up in Connecticut, here it, it's, it's
the same.
You have some flat spots but itgets terrain-y, you know, rocky
.
It's all the same stuff outthere.
But I was probably out therethe same week you were.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
We dealt the same thing heat and a lot of rain a
lot of wind, man, it was a roughyeah it just we were like
hoping for better weather andwhen we got down there it was
just like it was 85 degrees andI'm like, yeah, I'm like really
man.
And he said the first day I gotthere he's like, do you want to
go out?
I'm like no, I'm kind of tiredfrom the drive and yeah, chill

(06:13):
out your sales when you wake upand you're sweating.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
But yeah yeah, we go west every year.
We typically do a family tripto indiana.
But this year I had like cartrouble right before we were
leaving, so I was like all right, all right, let's get it going.
We got it going.
We wound up running two dayslate, so we decided to stop back
in Ohio because I'd alreadywent out there for that.
You know that lease hunt.
So I had a tag and my son and Iwent back out and we we jumped

(06:36):
on some public.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
So I'm actually going to Indiana and uh, in the fall
myself for uh, the other podcast.
I'm with the whitetailadvantage.
Uh, crew, um, we, we planned atrip to Indiana, so, uh, I'll be
heading out that way in thefall myself.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
So it's, it's pretty cool.
You kind of like, yeah, keep intouch, man, we're out there
every year November, usually thefirst week of November into the
second week.
We try to stay like seven to 10days if we need to.
But yeah, yep, hopefully,hopefully we don't need 10 days
this year because we want tojump in kentucky too and try to
do like a two-stater orsomething I'll tell you.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
Nice, um, I'll tell you what was really hot.
When we drove through, uh, westvirginia, oh yeah, yeah, holy
cow, there was a guy had a 160or better on the back of his
truck like we almost we almostcrashed I believe it.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
I hung at west virginia in 23 and I was about a
week early, and then all thebig ones start showing up.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Oh really, of course that's how it always happens
that public land is tricky man,you got to have it just right so
yeah, yeah, because I I huntpublic land here and it's well,
it's federal land, so you got tobuy like it's 30 for the permit
yeah and it was like I didn't.
I didn't have much luck lastyear.

(07:48):
I don't know if it's justbecause it was so dry this past
year and everything, but I meanthe years before that I had some
, some killer bucks on camerayeah, yeah, I think I think it
being dry definitely.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Uh was a big thing from when I went into ohio the
first time even the second timeit was still pretty dry we were
dealing with that drought therein the middle.
I think it just kept all thembig bucks locked in the bottoms
wherever they could find water.
I think that's where they werehanging out, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Mike, nice to see you , buddy.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Do you want me to turn my phone sideways?
So it's better for yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yeah, you could probably try that, that might
work.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah, he had to do it off his phone, mike.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
That's better.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
So we started already .
Yeah, wait for me.
The first time I met you Fiveyears.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Late to the party.
It was my bad Mike.
I got antsy.
Late to the party, I got antsy.
No worries, it was my bad mike,I got to the party.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
I got.
No, no worries, I'm excited.
I'm I'm excited to see theintro and how, how, how it went.
But glad to glad to have you.
You start the guys out.
It's a pleasure heck.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, I appreciate you having me back on yeah no, I
, I, frank, um, frank.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Hit me up what a couple weeks ago, I think you
know when we fully you know,after the uh, hold on, is that a
sever hat?

Speaker 3 (09:12):
I need one, it is I need a new one, I have an old
one, yeah, I was like I need anew one but I need a new one.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
But frank, uh, frank, hit me up.
Um, after the event, you know,after we, you know we waited for
the event and everything likethat to to start focusing on on
the podcast again and both, now,both podcasts and everything
like that.
So he was like hey, if it, youknow, if there's anyone, you
know that, that you want to geton, you know, send them over.
You know, yada, yada yada.

(09:38):
And I was like, and we were, Ithink we were talking too, and I
know we, I think I, I think Itexted you last year Because I
wanted to get you back onSchedules and everything like
that.
It's crazy.
But I was like, oh, this is theperfect guy, like let me send
this yeah, very busy.
So you know it's great havingyou, having you back on, and you

(09:59):
know A new journey For theGarden State Outdoorsman has
officially started.
Yeah, definitely cool.
A new journey for the GardenState Outdoorsman has officially
started.
Yeah, definitely Cool, it'smuch appreciated.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
We're excited.
So, Rock, I was going to askyou.
So you were saying that youwere more like a traditional
hunter.
So what's like your bow set up?

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Well, not traditional in the sense of my bow.
My bows are definitely prettymodern.
I build quite a bit of them andright now I I just set up my
new 2025 rig as an elite artist,actually right behind me.
Yeah, yeah, I did, I went withthe mossy oak breakup camo on or
bottom land, rather, I'm sorryand uh, running a qad, just a

(10:39):
three pin slider, some ultraarrows and some slick tricks,
standard broadheads, you know.
I mean, I guess it's prettybasic in a sense of that.
I don't get carried away withanything but right.
That's definitely uh up to dateno, it's, it's a nice setup.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
You got there.
I appreciate it.
I shot a leap.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
I shot a leap for a little while I had got one and,
uh, I liked it.
I sold it to a good friend ofmine because he needed a bow, so
uh they're good shooters, Ishot them years ago 2015, 2016,
when they had the energies,loved it.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
And then I kind of, just because I've been in and
out of those you know workingfor shops and started my own
thing, I kind of I moved arounda little bit to just adapt to
all the different you know camsettings and tuning avenues, you
know just to kind of learneverything.
And Elite and I kind of landedon a deal last year and you know
they're good to me, so you knowI try to stay good to them.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah, I had to revel, I had to revel.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
That's a nice bow.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
Yeah, it was cool.
The only thing it was a 60% letoff, so it took a little bit of
getting used to yeah, a littlebit of getting used to not.
Yeah, a little rough.
Yeah, it wasn't a big deal, butit shot very well.
It was a.
It was a, I got it.
It was like a 1300 bow.
I got it for like 600 bucksonline and deals and deals.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Man, yeah, and it was .

Speaker 4 (11:55):
It was good.
I set it up just for like doing3d and stuff and then, like I
said, a good friend of minewanted to get into bow hunting.
He came over and he shot it andhe loved it.
He's like, how much I'm like,just give me what I got into it
and you can have yeah, but yeah,very good, bows, man can't,
can't take away anything fromelite.
Very good, I have no complaints?

Speaker 2 (12:12):
I started shooting the ethos last year.
That was, you know, the mostcurrent one up until the one I
just built now and that's a 33inch axle to axle.
I like it because I have, youknow, a little bit longer of a
draw length and silky smooth.
No complaints.
What?

Speaker 4 (12:24):
are you about a 31?

Speaker 2 (12:26):
No, I'm only 29 and a quarter.
Okay, really.
Yeah, I look bigger than I am,I guess.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
I got a long body and short legs.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
That's all right.
I need help getting into trees,you know.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Yeah, you need that little extra stretch, that's all
.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
What green-white arrow and stuff are you throwing
and what's like your feet persecond?

Speaker 2 (12:49):
you're getting out of that thing I'm running uh 455
out of the artist 455 grainarrow.
So that's just a 300 spine, uhultra centrum 204 so that's a
five millimeter.
I got a 50 grain stainless uhhalf out up front and then I
just run 100, 100 grain slicktrick standard yep, and uh feet

(13:11):
per second.
Honestly, I don't chrono mybows, if I'm being completely
honest, because I don't want tobuild my bow around speed.
I want my my bow to be builtaround effectiveness and I feel
like every deer I've ever shotat with a 450 to 475 grain arrow
has expired in front of me.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
And I've had no issues.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
You know that's awesome, I see you.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
They are good.
I used to shoot the wickedtricks.
I shot for a couple of years ofslick tricks.
Yeah, they're pretty well, yeah, real sharp.
But I did see you drop quite abuck.
You shot that.
You didn't know you didn'tshoot that one off the ground.
I know it was like that wasyour first public land buck,
buck, wasn't it my biggest.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
I shot my biggest public land buck on halloween in
24 this past season and, uh,that was a heck of a story.
But if you guys want me to tellyou a whole story now, I can't
absolutely I would.
I love to hear the story so thatendeavor started on october 8th
.
We were, we get federal permits.
We hunt down on, like, uh,southern ocean county, so

(14:14):
there's some federal land downthere for site property, it's
it's, uh, I guess, like they.
They have a certain number ofpermits they offer for it, so
it's kind of inclusive.
You know you only have so manypeople on the land, no baiting,
um, no permanent stand type deal.
So early season we jump on that.
We're like you know there'sgoing to be no pressure in here
yet the deer are kind of kind ofstill on their summer pattern.

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So we hop in there one nightearly october.
They're just kind of startingto break up and it's like a
totally dead set.
I got my kid with me.
I made some spoof reel that daybecause it was so, so slow and
we're getting ready to climbdown like five minutes early,
which we never do.
We never get done early.
But we just knew it wasn'thappening and I get like four

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strides down and my phone goesoff and it's one of my cameras
that's in a different spot andI'm like you gotta be, I don't
even want to look.
So I stopped climbing, I lookand there's one of my cameras
that's in a different spot andI'm like you got to be, I don't
even want to look.
So I stopped climbing.
I look and there's thiseight-pointer on the camera and
he's 100% a shooter.
I'm like you got to be kiddingme.
So I say to my son he's sittingright next to me.
I'm like dude, I'm going to besick.
So I go home, I lose sleep overit for a like really beat

(15:20):
myself up because I haven't hadanything else decent show up on
camera and uh, it gets to likeOctober 27th and 7 38 o'clock at
night and all of a sudden I geta picture of a lone doe on one
of my cameras and I text my sonand I'm like dude, I guarantee
you a buck's gonna pop uptonight at some point because
they're starting to break apart.

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40 minutes later he shows backup dead in front of the camera.
I'm like there's no way.
So we start texting each otherright away.
The next morning he daylightsat like 7 40.
So I let it go.
No pictures in the evening.
So now we're on the 28th.
He daylights 29th.
He daylights again at like 8 20.

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So I know I got to get downthere.
He's starting to secure thearea.
There's tons of oaks in there.
It's secluded, there's nopressure.
He's doing the same thing everyday.
I'm in Connecticut at the time Iload my truck up head south, I
get to my daughter's house, Istay over there, wake up the

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next morning, go sit.
Now it's october 30th and I Ijust felt I sensed something was
was in this spot, like you know.
So I started looking around,looking around, and I see this
deer about 80 yards off with hishead down in the oaks.
I knew instantly it was him, soI got in, I got past bedding, I

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got set up, I got a good wind,it's southwest.
For like four days straight he'sin there for like an hour
eating acorns and, uh, I'mgetting like antsy.
You know what I mean.
I'm like, yeah, just be patient.
I had a couple opportunities totake some farther shots, but
I've really been trying to teachmyself patience because I feel

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like, you know, that's kind ofwhat saves a lot of these hunts.
So, uh, about another 20minutes goes by and this hawk
comes and lands on this branchbetween me and the deer, and the
deer's all kinds of skittish,not spooked, but he doesn't like
it, you know.
So, uh, he ends up leaving.
So I just watched him eat forlike an hour, hour and a half

(17:26):
and I'm like there's no way thisdeer just walked out of my life
, like that was it.
That was, that's the hunt, youknow.
So I get down that morning, comeback the afternoon a couple of
days, come through feeding.
I leave my stand in the woodspublic land, a hundred percent
public land.
And I left my stand in thewoods because over the years for

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me that's motivation to get upin the morning.
I have a lone wolf hand climber.
I'm not letting somebody findmy tree stand.
I'm going hunting in themorning.
So, uh, next morning, halloweenmorning, I get up, I get changed
, uh, in the parking area, walkin, I'm sitting in my tree and I
feel something in my boot.
So I'm like what is poking mein the foot, you know?
And I'm like it's getting like720, 730 and this deer's been

(18:10):
regular around 750 to 820.
So I look around, real good,and I'm like I gotta get this
thing out of my boots killing me.
I pop my boot off, I'm pullingout a rock or whatever.
Well, I can't even rememberwhat it was.
I look up, this deer's on a linecoming straight at me at 40
yards and my boot's off 20 feetin the tree.
I'm like you have got to bekidding me.

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So I hurry up, I get my boot on.
I got tons of good cover.
Grab my bow, I stop this deer.
At like 40 yards.
He's broadside, but he's behinda tree.
At like 40 yards he's broadside, but he's behind a tree.
All I have is his last rib andI'm I shoot a lot.
So I was comfortable I couldmake that shot, but I decided
not to.
I was like you know, it's justhe's too big to kind of take
that kind of a chance on, hithim far back or something.

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He takes a half a step.
So I let him walk away.
He gets down to the oaks and,uh, disappears.
So I was like all right, nowit's two days.
They're like I'm running out ofdays.
I got to figure something out.
So I'm sitting there trying tolike mad at myself again Cause
I'm playing with my boot, pullmy phone out, try to take my

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mind off of it.
I'm like let me throw a coupleof grunts out.
So I just get my grunt tube.
I hit it one, two soft andabout five minutes minutes later
I look over to my right and Isee this sapling just whip over
to the ground and then shootback up and I was like there's
no way that was a squirrel.

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So, uh, I look it's him.
He keeps coming at me.
He's now he's only like 10yards.
He loops around.
He's coming closer, closer,closer.
This is holly, like five yardsin front of me and I got a hole.
I would say maybe about eightto ten inches, an opening hole.
I'm waiting for him to just puthis shoulder in it and uh, so I
draw back and he stood stillfor what felt like forever and

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then, a couple seconds later, hetook that last step and soon as
I soon I pulled through thatshot.
I knew he was dead and he ran.
I hit him both his lungs andhis heart.
He ran about 40 yards.
I watched him do a front flipand die.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
That's the best feeling.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Sorry that's a long-winded story, but you have
to hear the whole thing toappreciate that hunt.
Yeah, no that's what you like.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yeah, that's, that's what you like yeah, that's
incredible story.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, he measured like just under 110, like right
around 109, to some change 108and some change numbers in there
.
So for state land, south jerseybuck that's pretty mature and
about as big as they get.
You know, we have some that arecoming through that are a tad
bigger, but he'll do no,absolutely, and that's I mean.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
I watched all the picture.
It was definitely a hell of abuck.
But the story, just hearing thestory, how it all came together
, and you know we've all beenthere before, so we all know
that feeling and especially, youeven have to track them no you
can't get better than that.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
I was I was texting my son that morning because I
was I was solo that day so I wastexting him and then I
facetimed him.
He knew right away and soon ashe picked the phone up man, I
just lost it I gave iteverything I had you know what I
mean.
It was just one of the coolestones I've ever been on by myself
, if not the coolest, you know.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Solo I've ever been on right so no, that's one thing
before we.
You know we we keep diving inand you know I just wanted the
last time he were on what?
Three, four, four years ago, Ithink, I think 21 when I first
started 21.
Yeah, so in the very beginning,right in the beginning stages,

(21:43):
um, you know and, and look towhere you you've come now and
you know the success that you'vehad so far.
You know you, you're where isit you're you're working out of,
out of home, correct?
Is there ever?
Is that just like, hey, we'rejust gonna do at home, or is
there ever a plan to to open upa shop or or something like that
?
Also, I know you you've beenworking on the arrows and I, you

(22:06):
know and everything like that.
So kind of also go into howthat whole situation started and
where that idea originally camefrom and things like that.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Sure.
So Bogot kind of started on awhim.
It was just something that Iwas working at shops and I have
my own way of doing things and Ijust, you know, not that any of
the shops I worked at I have.
You know, I have tons ofrespect for all of them.
They're all great shops,reputable shops, good techs Like
.
I have nothing negative to sayabout any of them, but I just
like doing things my way.
So I decided to come up with umwith a name I wanted to cause I

(22:40):
was just working side work, youknow, doing bow work.
Besides the shop, I had someside work here and there from
different areas of the state,because I, you know, I have a
pretty broad network and Idecided I wanted to brand so I
could kind of expand that, throwit online, maybe, you know,
grab some new people.
So Bow Guy was my handle oneBay since like 2011.
So I figured, heck, you know,I'll throw that out there, add a

(23:01):
custom archery to the end of itand try to accommodate what
people want.
So I started doing that and thework kind of kept coming.
A lot of it was like word ofmouth and then I started really
pushing it online Facebook, alot of the groups and I started
really like getting intobuilding arrows and stuff just
because there was such a bigdemand for it and people used to
always ask me, so I figured I'dmarket advertise it.

(23:23):
You know, People used to alwaysask me so I figured I'd market
advertise it, you know.
So there to here, I mean, when Ifirst started, it was kind of a
struggle to expand past, likemy local realm of people which I
have no problem with, but Ikind of wanted to.
My end goal is to kind of makethis like an industry name Right
.
So I had to start marketing.
I had to start moving around alittle bit more.
So I started throwing it up onFacebook.

(23:45):
I started coming up withproduct, you know, started going
to more 3D shoots, startedmaking my face more.
You know, seen in game dinners,whatever I had to do to kind of
just, you know, show people.
I'm just, I'm a regular person.
You know, I'm not just this guywho plays online Like this is
my whole life, this is what Ilive for, this is what I live

(24:07):
for, this is what I love.
So I mean it kind of startedoff just because or started
taking off more, just because Iwas putting it out there more
you know and and the word ofmouth was kind of gaining
traction and I have a huge uh,not a huge, but a great
following, like all my clients Ifeel are second to none, and
they all, they all do their parttoo to help me grow.
So just kind of dedication andhard work and grit and grinds,

(24:28):
and now I I could honestly saythat every year there's
significant growth.
So yeah that's good, I figureone more year of kind of just
grinding out and it should kindof flatten and almost kind of
start taking care of some thingson its own without having to
push so much, you know.

(24:48):
But I guess that's where I'm atwith it now.
It's kind of just starting toget to the top of that hill, you
know, and I'm waiting to justkind of coast back down it yeah,
no, that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Just you know.
I just wish you the best, wouldit look?
You know, just like mike said,you were on the show.
You know, three, four years agoI wasn't even around then, you
know, I was hunting but I wasn'ton, you know, instagram or none
of that yet, just yet.
So you know, see how far youcome and how successful you are.
That's, that's a hugeaccomplishment.
Man like congratulations.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
I appreciate it.
And uh, I mean, the biggestthing for me is like, to me, I
don't really see it as like, um,I know it's growing, right
because numbers don't lie andwhatnot, but right to me it's
just what I'm doing.
Like, yeah, I don't even let itever get to me.
It's kind of just like I try tostay humble about it and just

(25:43):
keep grinding because, like Iwant to, I want to be somebody
that made a positive change inthe archery industry, the
hunting industry.
A lot of times on the Facebookgroups and stuff, if I see
people bullying and you knowI'll jump right on them, just
like, yeah, dude, that's notwhat we're doing here.
Like you know, I kind of that'smy, my biggest goal, like, not

(26:04):
really to to be the guy whoworks on the arrows and the bows
and stuff, but just somebodywho, who makes a positive
difference and keeps growingwhat we're trying to keep
growing yeah, no, definitely.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
We definitely need more, more people like that,
because you know, we've all seenonline bullying and all that
and it just like it gets out ofhand and it's it's just.
Sometimes it's just ridiculouswhen people you know have to say
or they're you know, it's justcrazy I'll shoot a small buck
just to post it up.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Like, yeah, yeah.
Like if god, if god's lettingthat deer walk past me, and
that's what's gonna feed me forsix months.
Yeah, I'll tell you what manI'm gonna brag to everybody that
wants to see it and if, if theydon't keep on scrolling.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
That's it.
That's it.
Yep, it's funny you say that,because what was it?
A couple months ago, squatch,we had somebody comment on one
of my posts about it.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
Yeah, I jumped on them.
Yeah, really.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
I didn't see this.
What the hell?

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, you didn't see that no, I know I didn't, yeah
it was one of uh, I think it wasthat nine pointer.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
I killed the one video that I posted just like of
me, like walking up to it andlike you know rifle, slug gun
rifle I can't remember it was uhit was uh.
I'm sorry, it was the slug gunit's hard to keep.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
It was hard to keep up with uh, with frank this year
, like they stopped answeringthe phone for me just a killer.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Huh, straight killer.
I like it though yeah, I had.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
You know it was.
It was a good year.
Let's put it that way.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
I don't want to brag because next year I might suck
this coming year so about it,brett, you listen, it's all
about like, yes, be humble aboutit, but like it's a, it's an
accomplishment.
And especially like, listen you, you're right, you may not have
that good of a year next year.
You know what I mean yeah,that's why I think it's more

(27:57):
like all right, like hey, listen, embrace it like you did.
A phenomenal accomplishment, weall know you're not a selfish
person that you only care about.
You know what I mean it's.
You know it's a.
It's a humble brag.
It's a humble like, hey, listen, this is, but you earned it.
Yeah, a hundred percent.
It wasn't like he put in thedamn work a hundred percent.

(28:18):
Yeah, there was a lot of thingsthat we we've talked about in
the past, frank and and squatchover there like, yeah, you know
there was a lot of things thatwe we've talked about in the
past, frank and squatch overthere like, yeah, you know
there's a lot of things that didgo wrong.
It wasn't like you had aperfect season.
You know it wasn't like.
You know you, you, you facedthe um, you know the odds and
you know the adversity of yourhunting season and that's what

(28:41):
made it so goddamn successful.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah, you know, that's what makes it so goddamn
successful?

Speaker 4 (28:45):
Yeah, it makes it a better.
You know it's not.
Yeah, you know what?

Speaker 1 (28:48):
You killed a whole bunch of deer, a hundred percent
.
You killed a bunch of bucks,yes, but it's what you went
through in the beginning.
I think that really sets theseason aside.
And why, you know I, you know Ihonored you know we're going to
do something here at boondockshunting for our team members
like why I honored you as the uh, as the boondock uh hunter of

(29:08):
of the year.
Just it wasn't because, yeah,if I wanted to give it to
somebody, I could have given itto ethan, because that kid, had
he killed eight does like hephenomenal year.
You know what I mean too, but itwas the uh adversity that you
face and that you just kept ongoing, which some people may
quit, some people may just giveup and get really hard on

(29:29):
themselves.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
You know what I mean so it's definitely worth it and
when you grind like that, Idon't know.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
I think you kind of earned the, the right to brag a
bit.
You know, like you know mikewas saying the adversity and
stuff and the will to keep going, how many times you walk out of
the woods not dragging a deerand you were sure when you got
in that spot it was.
It's happening to me, dude.
Nothing shows up and you'relike what am I doing?
you know, and no 100 you juststick with it and then find,

(29:54):
like you know, that deer too thethe one that I shot this year I
had the same kind of feeling.
I was like, yeah, I give up myonly chance at at a good deer
because I hunt public and a lotof times that's how it works.
They show up once they're gone,you know.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
And yeah, yeah.
Another was this in connecticut.
Was this in connecticut, thatone?

Speaker 2 (30:10):
was in jersey, the one with the bell was in jersey.
It was in jersey, yeah yeah,yeah, I killed that, uh, the
five pointer up here with themuzzle litter in connecticut and
that was it.
And then, uh, I, I shot that.
It was a seven in jersey.
We went to ohio, we saw a bunchof deer, didn't kill any, and
then I killed.
I actually killed a smaller doetoo, and in september to earn

(30:31):
my buck, so to speak.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
But no, that sounds like a nice year too.
Now I was gonna ask you are you, you're not a big bear hunter?
You, you don't hunt bears,right?

Speaker 2 (30:41):
I've hunted bears.
I just I'm not close enough towhere I could really make it
make sense, because we do go outwest every year and I don't
want to spend weeks of travel inNew Jersey to hunt bears.
I do want to shoot one.
That is a bucket list for me,but because, like the whole
family kind of goes out west,that's more of my priority.
And when it comes to moneydistribution, and you know, I'd

(31:05):
rather stay out there for 10days, so that's the only reason
I don't.
But this year I think we'regoing to change it up a little
bit and start opening and usingdifferent weaponry and, you know
, try to hunt more animals andstuff.
Kind of change it up a littlebit.
For, you know, social mediaviewing pleasure.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Yeah yeah, I see you're a pretty big duck hunter
too right.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, I grew up on the coast so we got real big
into hunting divers on the bayand puddlers on the bay and you
know I did that for a reallylong time.
I haven't duck hunted now in afew years but we're rigging back
up this year.
My kid wants you know it's.
It's such a blessing having myson hunt with me and he kind of
pushes me to do different stuff,even though I already did it
and maybe got bored of it.
It'll be more exciting and morefun because you know I get to,
I get to teach him how to do itand you know it's nice having

(31:53):
somebody that's that's alwayswilling to go for it and and
pushes you to do a little bitdifferent stuff.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
So no, absolutely so.
I can't wait to take my son.
They all know, you know mylittle man, I'm dying to take
him out a couple more years.
You know I'm ready to pass iton.
So I hope you, you know heenjoys it and he loves it just
as much as we all do.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
So they will.
You just gotta make it fun forhim.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Man like my six and my eight-year-old.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
They come with me, they'll sit in a blind.
I kind of have my time limitfigured out like two and a half
hours.
Our odds are stacked against usbecause we're hunting in the
ground, blind, with a yeah,crossbow, with, you know, two
kids that are under 10 years old.
It's tough, but I'd rather sitand see nothing and get them out
there than you know then notintroduce it to them I agree you
know, to kind of get them readyfor when the opportunity comes

(32:42):
for them to do it, you know no,and you know the

Speaker 1 (32:45):
thing is it's it's more of an excuse to, not only
just to to get your kids outthere, but like like, hey, you
know what are you going to do,taking your kids out into the
woods.
That's such like it's a benefitto them, but it's a benefit to,
to just everyone, just memories, and there's just so many
positives like coming from itand it's like, hey, you know
what like, instead of sittinghere watching tv all day, you

(33:06):
know, you know, and and doingsome parents.
They give their kids just theipads and stuff.
Like hey, like yeah, we're justgonna, we're just gonna go out
into the woods and you knowsomething?
I know the ipad, like it doeslike giving the ipad in the ipad
in into the, into the blind,but it's a lot better than just
sitting at home on the couch orsomething like that and
eventually yes, in the verybeginning especially, you're

(33:29):
going to need that ipad.
That's going to be a hugefundamental in the blind.
But little by little, as theyget older too, they're going to
probably start paying less andless attention to that and
focusing more on absolutelywhat's going on them around them
and it could be any kind ofgame.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Like you know, the spot we sit out here there's
turkeys, there's squirrels,there's bobcats, there's foxes,
like anytime they see.
We have hawks land in by usthat they got to watch.
Like anytime they see any kindof activity outside of the blind
, they're intrigued by itbecause that's something you
don't get to see any.
I don't care if you're outsideat your house driving down the
highway, looking out in a field,you're not necessarily seeing
that kind of stuff.

(34:05):
The woods kind of has its ownenvironment and its own its own
uh schedules for things and it'skind of cool for the kids to to
get to experience that likereal time in in the woods, you
know no, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
And just you know, just to see their, their
excitement, you know on theirface and how they get all
excited, I mean that makes itall worth it, right there?
Absolutely that's the point.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Now we're like they'll come and be like that.
Can we watch one thing?
I'm like dude, you don't evengotta ask me, just put it on.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
Tell me that's it yeah, let me, uh, I would like
to say that being that I wasbrought up, you know, at a young
age, with the outdoors, andthat drive made me, you know,
strive to be the best that I canand shoot, you know, big bucks.
I'll do my dad, I'll do mygrandfather, you know, not to

(34:55):
disrespect him, but just to bethe guy.
And you know, fast forward, Imean I'm 50.
So back when I was hunting,hunting, there was no social
media, there wasn't.
Computers were just likestarting to get popular.
Um, you know, I didn't have anyof that.
And you know, these kids thatare starting out today with
these pod, these podcasts, areso informational to to kids

(35:21):
starting out or guys who arejust starting out.
And it's funny, man, becauseyou know you're setting the
stage for your children and, andyou know Frank is too with his
son and you're setting.
You gotta remember you'resetting that stage because when
you fast forward, 50 years later, you got a guy like me that can

(35:41):
tell you stuff that they didn'texperience yet.
But I learned it beforetechnology.
Yeah, you know, and it's it's.
You don't realize it as you'regrowing, because up here I'm
still a kid, like in my head I'mstill 16, 17, 18 I'm gonna put
your arm up on your pillow no,no, frankie, I'll tell.

(36:02):
I'm almost falling down throughthe woods.
I can barely walk.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Yeah, a few times when he was like Frank.
I got to tell you, man, I don'tknow.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
But, uh, you know, when you sit there and and it's
so hard for me because I talk topeople on on you know two
podcasts.
I talk to a lot of people.
I'm the older guy at a lot ofthe guys that I talk to and it's
yeah, but they're like yo,you're a plethora of information
and I don't see it like that.
But I'm just grateful that Ihad the experiences that my

(36:33):
father and my grandfather setthe stage and didn't say you
know, go, screw off, watch TV,play with cartoons.
And I was squirrel hunting, Iwas freaking bow hunting, I was
fishing, I did all that stuffand then all the stuff that you
sat there and learn and and andyou know what this is.
This is the the hanging postnow for, like when you got done

(36:57):
and you brought your buck to asporting goods store to show it
off.
You know, not too much of thatgoes on anymore at the weigh
stage or whatever.
This is the hanging out at thesporting goods store and
shooting the shit about whathappened.
This is why this is soimportant with these podcasts.
And seeing what Mike hadestablished has been great, and

(37:21):
now Frank is stepping up to takethe the helm here with this
part of the show.
It's just amazing, you know,and it's growing more and more,
and it's like I said, it's justso important that you guys set
that stage.
It's awesome, it's awesome.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, and you know it's, it's, it's now it's.
Yes, it's the podcast too, butsomething I've like, you know I
found so much love and happinessthat makes me just.
I know it's stressful at timesdoing it, but it's now.
The events it's now, you know,going to events.
You know we talked about it andeverything like how much fun we
actually had at the EmpireState Show and you know I could.

(37:55):
I could easily, like Frank andI, we could do this for the rest
of our lives, like, honestly, Ihave no problem where, if we
can make it work.
Or, yeah, you know, I would loveto go down I know there's a big
one down, I think, in nashvilleor like somewhere in tennessee.
You know, I would like to goout, you know, to the midwest,
to do one, like I would love togo out and do that.
And then now we also we haveour own ones that we now do, you

(38:17):
know.
And yeah, yeah, we're on yeartwo of the game dinner coming up
in a couple weeks, and thenwe're on year two of the game
dinner coming up in a couple ofweeks, and then we're on year
three with the, with the bowshoot in the in the summer, and
I would, you know, I've beenasked to do another one and you
know, once we could figure itout where it works, I would love
to add like another event so wecan do three, because I know
people are busy and that'susually like, ah, I wish we

(38:38):
could make it.
And that's the that.
That that is the tough part,but yeah, it's so fun because
every it's a community,everyone's getting together.
You know people who you know.
Yet again, I met frank at ashow.
You know, I met squash for thefirst.
Yeah, we talked on instagram,but I met him for the first time
, I think, at the, at thearchery shoot.
I, I think technically, I thinkthat was our first time.

(39:00):
Correct me if I'm wrong.
I could be easily, easily wrong.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Oh, it was at the dinner, at the dinner.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
At the game dinner.
Yes, oh yeah, at the gamedinner.
Yeah, yeah, I met you at thegame dinner down in South Jersey
.
Yeah, yeah, you know andactually like meeting these
people in person and it's justsuch a great community that we
have here.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
Oh, the it's, it's just such a great community that
we have here and that thecamaraderie is like all of us
are building.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah, and it's a big family, but it is.
It's, it's the storytelling,it's like, it's it's so nice to
get in person and everyone haslike a common goal because,
listen, I love my friends there,I grew up with them and I will
always love them, but they don'tshare the same passion for, for
hunting that I do, and I alwaysfeel bad because, like when I
start talking about hunting Idon't stop and I do.

(39:47):
I do it at work.
Like people ask me constantlyquestions about hunting and I
don't never know when to not tostop.
So like I'm just spewing outinformation and trying to teach
people as much as I can, whichit's great and we love to do.
But it's so nice when I'm withyou guys and, shit, no one's
gonna buy, no one's gonna belike, oh man, he's talking about
hunting again.

(40:08):
Like, oh, never the hell up,like you know.
I mean like we just go on andon and on and our wives probably
get sick of us, but that's,that's about it.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Hey, it could be worse right that's right, I
agree, I'm not, I'm bar, I'm inthe tree man.
Just let me go home and leaveme alone exactly that's it, you
know, and just the fact that weall like support each other.
Like you see, one of us shootsa big buck, all of us are
posting about it, we're allcheering each other on, like
that's what it's all about, man100, and his kids too.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Like my son is 18 and stuff.
I tell him all the time I'mlike, yeah, like he's in such a
position now, with the networkthat we're building and stuff
too, to where like.
And he listens, like if I tellhim something, like to do
something that's hunting related, shooting related, like he
could take that and process itand then put it into action.
So, like, think of, like thesuccess that these kids today

(41:00):
are going to have in 15 or 20years, like Squatch was saying,
like if they just listen, theyhave such an encyclopedia of
information from just so manydifferent facets of people Like
you guys.
All you have to do is sound alittle different and be like,
yeah, I tried this when I was inan area like that and this
worked and this worked.
And next thing, you know, youstart taking some notes and not

(41:22):
that it ever become easy, butyou're gonna at least have a way
bigger head start than than wedid when mobile hunting first
took off and cameras first tookoff and I was using trail timers
when I was a kid.
It was a piece of string like asquirrel could set that off.
You're sitting there, you'relike all right, 440, that deer's
coming through and it neverdoes know.
So these kids really got a goodchance to really blow this up

(41:45):
and make hunting, you know, asbig as it can be.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Yeah, no, and I love that and something I love, like
you know, I tell everyone it wasa really great learning lesson,
especially you talk about thewhole mobile hunting.
You know Frank and Squatchy,you know, and the listeners, the
listeners who you know, theones that are recurring guests,
they know this story.

(42:10):
But, like how I killed my buckthis year, like, yeah, everyone
knows like I I move around likecrazy and I'm constantly like
just moving and moving andmoving and just running cameras.
But I, I remember I set up thisspecific camera in that you
know, little stream and I knew,like you, they use, especially
during the drought.
I was like, hey, listen, yeah,let me go put a camera like this
has got to be the ruts, likeright here, like there's going

(42:32):
to be.
Does you know, find out?
Like I hung that camera and nottoo long after, you know, I
went out for a hunt.
I go to set up and I'm probablylike six, seven hundred yards
away from that camera.
I just get climbed up and setup and boom, the camera starts
exploding, two just big bucks inthere and I was like I had to

(42:54):
make a decision.
And you know, and I love makingthis during the rut.
If you're going to getaggressive, this is the time to
really get aggressive.
Yeah, you're right, because amistake that you're going to
make during the rut might notaffect your hunt nearly like it
would during any other time ofthe year.
They're not thinking about youknow, they're thinking about one
thing and that's chasing damndoes.

(43:15):
So if you're going to try toget away with it, do it now.
So I said all right, I wasexhausted.
I, you know, did everything.
Got said all right, I wasexhausted.
I, you know, did everything.
Got that stuff down right away,jumped in the truck, drove all
the way to the down the roadfurther, got out, snuck in,
found out that I set up right indoe bedding, got set up, saw
nine I think nine deer.
That hunt had a couple bucksfighting and everything like

(43:37):
that.
Next morning went right backinto that spot and killed, uh,
one of those bucks.
The very next morning, lessthan 24 hours after, he showed
up on that trail camera and Igot aggressive.
I made a.
I made a decision that I mightnot make, but also I learned
that from podcasts and talkingto people and interacting with
all hey, listen, get aggressive,do this, do that's like, and

(43:58):
you know what?
Okay, I went out, did that, andnow that's something.
It's a teachable moment toeveryone else Like, hey, listen,
you can get aggressive duringthe.
You know you can hop right intothe betting area.
You know, don't second guessyourself kind of during,
especially during the rut mykind of thing, just go do it.

(44:18):
You know what, if you fail, heyyou fail to do it.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
That know what.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
And if you fail, hey, you failed Ain't no not to do
it Right.
That's how you learn.
That's how you learn and youknow it worked out for me.
It's great.
Will I try it again next year,of course.
Will it work for me next year?
Maybe?
Not, maybe I won't kill thatpuck, Maybe I'll get a shot,
Maybe I won't you don't know.
But you know what.
You're going out there, you'redoing something, you're getting
aggressive and you're utilizingeverything that you have in your

(44:49):
tool shed there.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Absolutely.
Flipping a coin is one of mybiggest tools in my pocket.
I mean, sometimes there's dayswhere I haven't wanted to go
because the conditions weren'tideal, but I knew the time of
year was right, you know.
So I'm like I literally askedmy son like, oh, heads or tails,
and never like heads, you know,and we'll go sit heads and it

(45:11):
works out.
Sometimes you got like, youknow, like you're saying Mike,
you just got to jump on it andno, if it doesn't work who cares
.
It's like it's better thansitting at home and wondering
Can sitting at home andwondering can't kill them?

Speaker 3 (45:21):
from the couch man.
They even know that there was.
There was one buck.
I was after beautiful 10pointer.
It was in September and I juststudied a new piece of property
I just got you know my, mybuddy's brother ended up buying.
It was like 200 acres.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
Heck yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
And just for me, just watching the cameras.
I didn't really even put thatmany boots on the ground, I
walked a little bit, but justhung cameras and just watched
and I knew when this buck showedup.
I was at work and this buckshowed up in the morning and I
had this pattern to him where ifI knew he showed up in the

(46:00):
morning he'd be back that night.
I literally I text all the guysto group chat like I'm leaving
work right now.
I know this buck's going toshow up.
I think it was like by five 30,I called them screaming oh, I
shot him.
I shot him it.
You know it ended up notworking out when it works.
Yup, I mean you know it didn'twork too great cause we didn't
get them, but you know I endedup shouldering them, hitting

(46:22):
them a little high, but you knowyou still learned from it.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
It's a plain work.
Yeah, every failure is still.
You know I don't see it as afailure.
I guess every unsuccessful huntor anything that goes wrong on
a hunt, in that moment it'sheartbreaking, but for your
career it's definitely.
I think it's.
It has to happen to kind of youknow one hundred and two teach

(46:45):
you how to get it right nexttime.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
No, absolutely.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
What's great about the network that we have?
I mean, frank's my psychologist.
When things are going right inthe woods, you know, and we we
feed off of each other, likewhat we're seeing, what's going
on, mike jumps in because we'reall on a group chat and then
Mike's got something and we'reall helping Mike out with a
scenario and that's what'sreally cool.

(47:10):
I mean, you got thatbrotherhood.
Nobody's like, ah, screw you,you know, you already got it
there.
Nah, it's all cool, man.
And yeah, you know, like youknow, frank said, you know,
here's the video.
This is what happened.
I think I hit him high, youknow.
Whatever.
Okay, what time do you need methere?
Because I'm coming, you knowyeah and dude, I jumped in.
He's an hour from me, you know,and then it's like another 15

(47:33):
minutes to where he hunts, butmike came up, I came up yep,
mike came up, everybody weteamed up, man, we went out, we
gave it our all and and you knowthat's the important thing, if
you didn't get the deer, yougave it your all to get the deer
.
You didn't just say, well, Iwas.
You know it wasn't a good hit,but you know you try, you try
and try yeah, and you find outwho your friends are too.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Man exactly got people like that on your side.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
I mean, he's called me literally like 9, 30, 10
o'clock.
I'm man, but my beau's doingthis and I'm like you're fine,
you're not bothering me, I don'tcare.
I know it's hard to sleep whensomething's going on and driving
you crazy.
Talk to me what's going on.
And when you got to networkguys like that, who you're
brothers you can count on, itmakes your season go smoother.

(48:21):
It gives you a little bit ofsanity, like you're not going
insane thinking like, well, whatthe hell is going on?
I've had this buck show up andnow he's not here.
What am I doing wrong?
Did I?
Did I do?
No, dude, just calm down, justput your time in.
Yeah, he'll come back.
And Holy crap, I had a freakingroller coaster of a season two
stuff I was after stuff I hit,stuff I didn't get you know, and

(48:44):
then I pulled it together andyou know and it's like I'm not
the only one, everybody's goingthrough this work If you weren't
talking to people, you wouldjust think like, well, that's it
.
You know, I'm done, I don'twant to deal with it.

(49:09):
Support.
So, if anything, if anybody'sgoing to take something away
from this podcast tonight, youknow, get a good couple of guys
that you can really trust asyour brothers, who are going to
support you in the good or thebad.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
They're going to be there for you and it's bigger
than hunting too at that point,man, yeah touching on it, like
men's mental health, like it'shard to really talk to people
that really understand you, youknow so when you have somebody's
gonna listen, even if, likemike said, like you could talk
about hunting that reallyunderstand you, you know so when
you have somebody that's justgoing to listen, even if, like
Mike said, like you could talkabout hunting until you turn
them blue.
It's just so nice to to, tovocalize words and be understood
and you know, talk to peoplethat are kind of on the same

(49:34):
page.
And if you were, maybe you'rehaving a bad day and, you know,
just telling that story made youfeel good again for, for you
know, for the rest of that daygot you through your day.
Or hearing a story of somebodyelse's success, it just gets you
through your day when you knowsometimes you need that and I
think it's good to have justthat handful of dudes that you
could really count on forsomething like that.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Yeah no, absolutely, like even when mike shot his
book, I mean, here we are in themiddle of the run.
I'm like I'm texting from thetree.
Hey, you know, let me know ifyou need me, I'll come down, you
know.
You know, just say the word I'mthere, you know.
Yeah, you know, it, it's just,it's just, it's awesome to have
you know that.
You know, like that whole groupof support and everything on

(50:15):
top of it, because, like, notonly for the whole hunting thing
, like you know, like my own sonactually calls uncle squatch,
uncle mike, like that's how,like that's how close we are.
Even at the show, my son wastrying to sell mike's hats for
him.
You know, like it was, it'sjust, you know, it's just

(50:38):
awesome, it is a family, youknow especially for all the
right ones.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Like it seems like the network in new jersey and,
you know, even the wholenortheast is kind of growing and
it's it's evolving there's alot of really good people that
are part of this network thatI'm almost certain there's some,
you could call it, you've nevereven met face with and they're
going to show up and give you ahand or at least spend some time
online or on the phone tryingto help you out.
To, yeah, yeah, to make surethat you're good, uh, I will 100

(51:04):
.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Like everyone knows the midwest, like everyone is,
you know, dialed into themidwest, you see what the
midwest does, but, like the last, like probably since covid, the
northeast really has taken offin a whole different light and
is, you know, not only just putthe map for hunting but just the
, the community and everythinglike that.
And you know, not only just putthe map for hunting but just
the community and everythinglike that.
And you know exactly what yousaid.

(51:26):
Like you just see the, I couldtalk to people from, you know,
to connecticut.
You know, you know, we, we knowa couple of guys now from
connecticut.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
I had no like idea, like you know, there's big deal,
yeah, yeah it's, it's insane.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Now, look at, look at , um, look at, uh, the long
island boys like, look at, youknow all those guys like you
know.
Look at dave, like what thehell?
Like, yes, new jersey is crazy.
You think about you know peoplelike new jersey hunting, no, no
, no.
But then you talk about longisland and I'm like I knew, had
no idea there was deer on long.
There's big deer there and youknow just so much that has has

(52:11):
just started to come out and youknow the last couple years and
it's just all avenues of huntingand how much like we have to to
offer you know you lookanywhere from probably I don't
know delaware, maryland,maryland and above.
Look at the hunting that we havehere, and not only, it's not
just deer hunting, that's thecool thing, no, you know.

(52:34):
Look at the waterfowl hunting.
Look at the turkey hunting, youknow.
Then you get into the saltwaterobviously, us being on the
shore and everything like that.
Look at all the saltwateropportunities that we get to do
and everything like that.
You know bear hunting, you knowcoyote, all these different
things.
So like to say, like the eastcoast isn't like it.
It's definitely grown.

(52:55):
I think it's just going tocontinue to grow and more people
will see what not just new?
jersey has to offer.
But you know, everywhere on theNortheast and everything is, I
think, is really going to boomin the next, you know,
especially in the next couple ofyears.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Sure, and I think we have the right people that are
growing it on the East Coast.
I mean, look at some of theselike a lot of the network now.
I mean you're pretty fresh onthe podcast world as far as you
know.
What do you want your fifthyear?
Yeah.
So I mean like we're we're kindof the new face.
Our generation is kind of thenew face.
You know we're taking the torchand I think we're doing good by
it.
Honestly, I think everybody thatyou know I follow on Facebook

(53:36):
or Instagram or whatever, justall the positivity that the
Northeast draws to is kind oflike the reason I think
everybody flocks to the west andthe west has always talked
about is like the hospitalityout there.
For one, it's different walksof life and I think you know
just that slower pace, thewelcoming and kind of like the
northeast hunting uh is kind oftaking to that.

(53:58):
Like we're kind of there's morehospitality now, there's more
acceptance, like I don't need tobe better than you, there's
enough here for all of us.
Yeah, and I think that peopleare getting on board with that
and that's what's helping itgrow, that's what's helping the
Northeast hunting evolve is thatthere's so much and there's so
many people that are willing toput information out there to
watch it grow and to keep itgoing, and, uh, I think without

(54:21):
that it really doesn't stand achance.
So I think everybody needs tojust keep doing what they're
doing, stay humble and and keep,uh, keep fighting the good
fight for hunting and outdoorsin general yeah, yep, I couldn't
agree more definitely you knownew jersey too, you take the
politics out of it.
It's, there's such an abundancefor outdoor activity and
wildlife.
You know like yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
It's a question.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Yeah, no, it definitely is.
There is one thing I wanted toask you real quick Now I was, I
was curious now, do you butcheryour own deer or no?

Speaker 2 (54:58):
I have.
I just really don't feel theneed to.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
I do enough stuff, so like if I could just pass it
off for a hundred bucks andyou're going to put I have.
I just really don't feel theneed to.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
I do enough stuff.
So if I could just pass it offfor a hundred bucks and you're
going to put that in some sealedbags or some paper for me and
take it out of my hands, I'mmore than willing to spread the
joy when it comes to things.
And you know, I think there'ssome people that are within my
network that kind of rely onthat time of year to make a few
bucks, that are within mynetwork that kind of rely on
that time of year to make a fewbucks.
So I feel like I'm doing morefor the community.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
If I just let somebody else that knows what
they're doing handle it, no,absolutely pretty fair, yeah, I
like you know, it's true, like I, I eventually want to get there
, but it's also like it's awhole other work to to do and
it's already like a lot wealready do so much, especially
you know you, you got you knowthe doing all the archery stuff
and you know your own companyand you know now frank is going

(55:50):
to be you know doing the, thepodcast and everything like that
, and I got the podcast and thecompany to grow.
You know squash, do you?

Speaker 4 (55:57):
you butcher your good dear excuse me, I'm third
generation Italian butcher.
My great grandfather came fromItaly and had a butcher shop in
Flushing, queens and Whitestone.
My grandfather taught us, andall our cousins and family
brought the deer, when I was akid, to us to butcher up.

(56:20):
So I do everything, from thetime they hit the ground till
they're in the freezer, and Ienjoy cooking and you know
that's why I'm 240 freakingpounds, but uh no, I do all my
own protein I do, I do all myown.
I don't know any differentbecause it's just how I grew up
doing it.
And, like you said, hey, you're, you're giving work to people

(56:44):
who look forward to that stufffor that time of the year.
It opens you up to believe me.
Believe me, there's times I'mlike, oh, I gotta go cut that
deer up.
There's times, man, but youknow, I just I hear my
grandfather do you do it, yougot to do your own stuff and I,
you know it's just me, it's justme personally.

(57:04):
But that's how it is with metoo.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Like with with the boat work and the arrows and
stuff like that.
Like everybody keeps me busyenough during the season to
where, like I, honestly I don'thave the energy or even the the
drive to want to learn how tocut my deer up.
I want to make sure you're outin the woods and your setup is
right and your arrows are rightand you have everything you need

(57:26):
.
So you go kill, like on myspare time during the season.
That's what I'm doing.
You know, I'm just trying tomake sure everybody's up and
running, and you know we do alot of our stuff's in house.
We make our strings in house.
I have arrows in stock at alltimes.
I could you know what I mean?
I could could fully refurbishyour whole entire bow for you
during the season.
So my priority is just makingsure everybody stays up and
running, making sure I stay upand running, and just, you know

(57:49):
having time of field mixed inwith running a business and, you
know, having a family and beinga dad.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
So yeah, I will say, and I don't know if.
Oh sorry, Frank.
No no no, go ahead, You're good.
I don't know how much you.
You know, frank, if you cancomment this and everything like
that, but the butchers werepacked this year multiple times
and it's such a great thing tosee.
Multiple times they're like ohno, we're not accepting.

(58:14):
You know, deer, and I've neverseen it like that this year, at
least, you know, with my guy andeverything like that there was
just like oh, you know, we canonly take 10 more.
Thank god I was able to get mydeer and everything like that.
You know he's, he's my butcher.
So, like if he was close, I'mlike shit, where the hell do I
go?
like I like to go to the sameperson over and over yeah

(58:37):
exactly so, like, I think,hunting, you know it just goes
on the fact of everything thatwe're talking about hunting is
in such a great, I think, stateright now and it's growing in a
phenomenal way and I think moreand more people are starting to
understand, I think, a littlebit more what to do.
That one helps with all thepodcasts that are out there and
every everyone talking socialmedia and stuff like that.

(58:58):
Um, but also like for thebutchers, like it's good because
, yeah, they depend on this,just like you know, just like
you you got bow guys andeverything like that.
Like without the customers,damn, you're at a regular nine
to five job.
You know I can't do what I'mdoing without my clientele, my
customers, exactly.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
I can't do it, you know, and I feel like the
butchers kind of do the samething, like, hey, they want to
have a few extra bucks, and youknow, not that it's ever my
motive at all, but we stay loyalto each other.
I know that if I'm loyal to him, he's going to be loyal to me
and he's going to send them andI'm going to send people, and
you kind of just beat off ofeach other to to continue to
grow.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
And I think that that's that's how you.
You can't do it by yourself.
Nope, I agree.
What was your craziest animalencounter?

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Probably, I don't know.
I've had a couple bobcats thelast few years and that was kind
of odd for me, especially beingfrom south jersey.
Um, the first time thathappened was out in indiana.
I heard something ruckus, andaround behind me I thought it
was a buck chasing a doe becauseit was rut.
And uh, next thing, you know, abobcat showed up with a
squirrel in its mouth.
And then this year inconnecticut, same thing.

(01:00:20):
I, you know, I felt likesomething was watching me and I
looked up and there was a bobcatwatching me.
So I threw the camera on and Irecorded it a little bit, but
that's about it.
I've seen bear turkey huntingand stuff.
I mean, I don't know if that'slike a wild encounter, just
because, like it became regular,it's happened more than once.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Like no one, like people do the same thing, like
oh, like when I tell them likeyeah, like I've been 10 feet
away from a black bear andlooked, stared it right in the
eyes and like yeah I don't knowlike it became so normal that
it's not like.
It's not like oh my god like itdoesn't even kick up my
adrenaline like that anymoreokay, not anymore.

(01:01:01):
Nope, okay cool.
There's a bear Like whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
That's such a Jersey thing it literally is You're
like oh shit, another one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
My turkey hunting career started in North Jersey
because, like growing up, wealways went fishing up at
Swartzwood Lake in Sussex yeah,yep, I knew there was tons of
birds up there, you know.
And we went up and we scatteredover by Paul and skill.
And I'll never forget, I wassitting down in this Valley and,
you know, heard somethingcoming down the Hill and I
turned and it was about a four450 pound bear just making his

(01:01:29):
way and walk right past us, walkright past my dad and I got a
little fuzzy for a minute and Iwas like that was pretty wild.
And then the next time we wentup there we saw another bear and
another.
I see all my bears in thespring man when I'm turkey
hunting up north.
I kill every bear in the woodsif I was able to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
but really I don't see.
I don't see many in the spring.
I really don't.
I I don't.
I usually see them in thesummer, but once hunting season
starts, like, I start to seethem a lot.
I don't.
Yeah, I don't think I'veencountered many bears during
the spring.
Um, I really don't think, likereally at all, which is crazy

(01:02:06):
now that, now that I was, gonnasay I see them all the time, man
, when I'm different for youlike you're, you know you're in
the.
I was never big into turkeyhunting up until last year, and
now I'm in an area where I don'thave to worry about the bears,
really I mean so.

(01:02:27):
And even when we're at the Dellgap we we saw a sign, but we
weren't.
We actually didn't.
I've hunted the Dell gap Ithink two years now for turkeys
and I honestly I can't say thatI've seen a bear.
I'm pretty sure I saw amountain lion, but that's about
it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Yeah, up by 80 is kind of crazy.
You see a lot of activity upthere, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
I watched a deer swim straight across into
Pennsylvania at the water gapone year when they were driving.
It was pretty wild, that wasprobably the best thing I've
ever seen in a deer woods.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Yeah, that's pretty cool.
Um, yeah, I, I got one more foryou.
Um, you know with with thebrand and you know with bo guy,
and you know how can you peoplelisten to this and you know they
want to get some work done.
Like how, what is the processfor you to, you know, maybe
someone who doesn't live asclose or anything like that?
Um, what would be the processfor them if they're, if they're,

(01:03:29):
interested in getting some workdone?

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
so how I do things is kind of it's pretty lucrative.
I'm uh, the nice thing aboutnot having, um, a physical brick
and mortar, so to speak, isthat my it helps me keep my
overhead down, so that means Icould move around a little bit
more, do a little bit more.
So if somebody say, livedfarther away, I travel so much
between shows and shoots andwhatnot that a lot of times I

(01:03:53):
set up on my travels betweenConnecticut and New Jersey, I
can set up picking up, droppingoff.
I've had people mail me bowsbefore.
You know what I mean and I do alot of inquiries through, like
Facebook, instagram, you know,email through my website.
There's there's a milliondifferent ways to get ahold of
me, but, like I'm so flexibleand I think that that's kind of

(01:04:14):
my versatility, is what's helpedme grow, so, uh, there's really
the the sky's the limit when itcomes to getting stuff to me.
In the process, once I have yourbow, is you know, or even
before I pick it up, is we kindof just go over what you're
looking for.
I like to ask some questions.
Make sure I'm thorough, as youknow what you're using your
setup for and what your goalsare, what your setup, what your
effective ranges are.

(01:04:35):
Your setup and I like that, Ilike you know, that kind of
helps me generate a build or setup.
You know, and a lot of times alot of people come to me with
ideas and you know we spend 20,30 minutes on the phone and they
realize like, hey, okay, thatmaybe that was overkill and ends
up dumbing it down.
They're not buying things thatthey don't need.
You know, I don't like tooversell or so I guess that's.

(01:04:58):
You know, that's kind of theprocess is just communication
and then setting up like apickup or drop off and that's it
kind of try to keep it like apersonal experience for
everybody and I, I like that alot, that that you said that,
because you know one thing aboutshops and everything like that
like man, it's been tough topick.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
You know why I I've been going back and forth and
now I'm you know, I'm in a shop,in a shop that I like and
everything like that, and theytreat me well over there and
stuff like that.
But I do like the one on onepersonalization of everything
and it's not like, at the end ofthe day, the shop is great.
So I don't want to say anythingnegative about the shop they

(01:05:38):
got bills to pay they got billsto pay and stuff like that.
But they do one, they're a shop,they also have so many and they
just want to, and then theysell you and it's not always, it
doesn't always feel likepersonal, like they're not.
Yeah, you didn't get what youwere trying to get out of it.
Exactly you know what I mean.
And you know at the end of theday, like, yeah, they're gonna,

(01:05:59):
hey, come buy this.
You know, oh, you think youknow what I mean.
But and you know at the end ofthe day, like, yeah, they're
going to, hey, come buy this.
You know, oh, you think youknow what I mean.
But you kind of breaking itlike, ok, maybe you really don't
need this, and especially onceyou get the idea of what they're
really trying to achieve.
you know you can set that and Ilove that.

(01:06:25):
I did that with my arrows thisyear.
You know personally likequestions were were what do you
want them for what?
What is your expectations outof of the arrows that I'm going
to build you?
And sure you know then what areyour specs like, and you know
it goes into every gritty detailand so you have to ask the boat
.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Yeah, you have to ask the hard questions.
A lot of shops don't want todeal with that like I've had.
You know.
I think one of the biggestdownfalls, so to speak, to any
part of the industry is just theupselling of stuff and making
people believe they need certainthings to achieve success, and
we all know that's not true.
I mean, it takes dedication andit takes you got to work.

(01:06:57):
You know, and I don't care hownice I set your bubble up, I
don't care how cool it looks, Idon't care how great or how
expensive your arrows are, ifyou suck, you got to just shoot
more.
There's no way to fix suckingat something other than just
putting the work in.
So, that's my biggest thing.
My clientele is kind of like Idon't oversell, I'll entertain

(01:07:17):
anything you want me to do.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
But at the same time you got to put the work in, or
it's not going to mean anythingwhen it's done.
So, yeah, no, it's a very goodpoint, because I think that's
why, like especially, by me Ithink a lot of people picked up
crossbow hunting, just becauseit's, it's easy.
Yeah, you know so, you knowagain, so sorry some guys can't
draw a bow, so they can.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
They have to rely on a crossbow, so that's why it
picked up a bit of popularityalso.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Well, sure, I think everything has its place yeah,
yeah, but yeah, hard work,practice like my little sister.
She shoots for team usa.
She's 100 pro shooter.
She's all over for shooting a,and she's 200 arrows a day, 300
hours a day wow, you don't getlike that.
You know tapes.
That's that's why you know sheis where she is, that's where

(01:08:11):
anybody who's successful in thisindustry is where they are,
because I mean the podcast andyou know the hunch.
You guys get your grind, yougotta grind.
So that's my biggest push and Ifeel like that's kind of what
my motive is being in myposition is to kind of get in
shape, stay in shape and, youknow, just put into work man, I,
I definitely agree, you knowyou.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
You just see so much, especially like I always break
it down.
There's, there's a fewdifferent types of hunters out
there, right, and I was breakingit up today at work and they
were like, oh, like I didn'tknow, so much goes into it.
I'm like man, the obsession isjust absolutely.
But I'm obsessed Like one of mypatients they're like you're a
nerd for hunting and I go.

(01:08:52):
I've never been called the nerdonce in my life I was like no
one ever calls me.
But then I was like I wasthinking about him, like I am so
nerdy when it comes to hunting,like I right, it is like you.

(01:09:13):
You have to break downeverything, and we do.
We break down every singlething.
And listen, let's not even talkabout the bow setup, because
your bow setup is it could go somany different ways.
I I mean, there's so muchdifferent and it's.
It's gets down to the science ofof a lot of it.
It's just like, especially whenyou're throwing in the arrows
and everything like that and youknow, and then shooting, but

(01:09:35):
just hunting, just alone, justhunting and hunting like you.
Look at the deer that we allhave hunting these specific
deers, how much goes intoeverything.
And Peyton said it best, Ithink this year or last year, I
can't remember.
He goes to kill a mature deer.

(01:09:55):
10 out of 10.
Things have to go right and wewere a lot of times.

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
We're nine of the tenth there and we're just
missing that one, and that's notour preparation.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
But we have the dedication, but sometimes it's
it should.
Sometimes it's just not meantto be.
Sometimes you know what thatbuck?
He took a whole different trailthan you thought.
Maybe he spotted what was ableto wind you.
The wind swirled it.
There's so much that goes on inin the woods and so much um
especially we have to go withyeah, especially

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
yeah, you're killing mature deer in new jersey.
Man, like, kudos to you.
I don't care who you are,congratulations like that's an
accomplishment.
Private public doesn't matter,bait, no bait.
You're still putting work in.
That's not an easy task maturedeer in any state, let alone but
jersey.
When you have such a highnumber of uh tags for bucks.
Like yeah, it's not one buckstate, there's not tons of

(01:10:49):
mature deer.
Like if you get on a maturedeer and you kill it like bro,
your homework was a plus.
You passed every task you weresupposed to yeah, so can say
better myself.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
Agreed what about you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
Any other questions about setups or tuning?

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
or I mean, I imagine we could go for hours and hours
and hours.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
Do you use a saddle setup at all?

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
No, I'm 100% climber right now.
We're moving to a little bitmore of a compact setup.
This year my son and I we'regoing to a stick and stand XOP
compact setup.
This year my son and I weregoing to like a stick and stand.
Xop apparently has some decentstuff coming up so we're going
to look at, you know, just alighter setup, move to an e-bike
this year so we can be a littlebit.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
How'd you like that?
That's that's that and a kayakare two things I want to get
into just with with the mobilehunting that I do and everything
like that, like I would love toget.
Those are two things.
So how, how'd you like ane-bike?

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
well, the e-bike I didn't use this past season are
you're using it, okay, yeah I'mjust kind of adapting to it,
seeing what its capabilities are, so I could learn how to build
it.
You know what I mean, how Iwant to set it up and whatnot.
But I feel like in the earlyseason is when it's going to be
the biggest game changer for us.
Because I always tell myselfearly season, like I'm not going
to push that hard, we're onlygoing to walk 200 yards and

(01:12:06):
actually you know you're 650deep and you're sweating your,
your ball and you're likeanother 100 yards.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
I think the bike's going to save that kind of stuff
.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
It's going to let you be a little bit more aggressive
early and um.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
You know that's not as much.
Much.
That's a key.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
That was the motive behind the bike.
Late season, I'm alreadyacclimated, I could grind with
my legs and you know.
But early season I don't wantto walk 650.
You know, would it stand on myback and a 10-pound belt on my
hand.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
Nope me, neither Nope Early season, Late season.
I'm the opposite.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Like late season.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
I don't want to do anything late season I barely
want to, barely want to go.
Yeah, after buck week I'm Ikind of lose motivation, but my
body is ready for more.
Just my mind I'm.
I'm a straight waterfowl hunter.
After, uh, after, yeah,probably after, like
thanksgiving buck week, the onlything I care about at that
point is is waterfowl and butlike I don't know, like we were,
we're down in delaware thisyear and like just gonna be
doing that more often and likeit was, I think it was like 90,

(01:13:10):
it's 92 degrees, like when I wasdying and I was like I was
hiking out there, I had my wholeand I wasn't like the first
hunt was a ground hunt, so I hadmy like I had the whole ghillie
puck set up.
I had to bring a chair, I hadmy bow like I'm just drenched.
I probably brought moreequipment than I really needed
because it's it's the first huntof the year and I'm like, well,

(01:13:31):
what the hell am I gonna do?
You know, you're still gettingthe cobwebs.
I'm gonna take everything,you're taking everything.
And then I'm walking, I'm like,and then you forget something.
At the like I I forgot.
I think I had to walk back andforth to the truck multiple
times.
I tried setting up with thewith the saddle no go.
So then I went back all the wayback, grabbed the ghillie puck

(01:13:55):
and everything like that,switched out some of my stuff,
went all the way back, got thereand then I can't remember what
the hell I forgot.
But then I forgot and I walkedall the way back, got there and
then I can't remember what thehell I forgot.
But then I forgot and I walkedall the way back, then walked it
and I kept just going back andI was drenched in sweat.
It was brutal saw me in here, solike it was great, but a nice

(01:14:18):
little e-bike would have beenreal nice.
I probably could have gonefarther than you I probably
could have just kept going,going that that's gonna be my
problem if I get one.
I'm just like, oh, you knowwhat I can keep going?
I'm just gonna keep going, yeahjust keep mine.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
We got an 80 mile range.
Don't get too deep.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
That's it.
He's gonna be calling us forhelp and be like mike we can't
get to you, you're on your own,buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
I'm gonna call 9-1-1, what, but yeah y'all better
come get me.

Speaker 4 (01:14:44):
So a little fun fact about the e-bike that I just
found out with my job MVP healthinsurance, as a getting healthy
kind of incentive, will give meup to $600 for an e-bike.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Oh really, the one I just got was $1,300 with a free
trailer.
So I mean, that's your halfwaythere so what?

Speaker 4 (01:15:03):
which one did you go with?
I gotta be cool I think it's.
Oh, I saw it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Yeah, I don't remember what the name of it is.
There's so many models, butit's, it's nice.
I mean it tops out.

Speaker 4 (01:15:14):
I, I could hit 30 on a flat single motor or is it
dual motor?

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
single yeah it's rear wheel you know, but a lot of
where I hunt in south jersey.
That's kind of where I'm atearly.
It's flat, so I don't reallyhave any kind of need for a
two-wheel drive e-bike.
I didn't want to, you know,throw the 3500 e-bike, you know
yeah, you know just somethingelse to add to my.
You know my arsenal and then,like I said, the the lock.

(01:15:39):
I was going to a lock on thisyear too.
I wanted, you know, a smallersetup and whatnot, because in
ohio we got in some trouble.
We found some really good spots, but no trees to throw a
climber, and so we're gonna goplatform and stick this year too
, man yeah, I mean, listen, Ikudos to you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
Jen, I remember always seeing your video kudos
to using the climber's cell andeverything like that, like it's
all I know.
Yeah, it's a.
Uh, I mean you might my setupso light and just like I, I love
my setup and everything likethat.
Happy, happy I moved to the, tothe saddle and everything like
that.
But, like I said, and I've saidit a bunch of times on on on
this podcast and you know, frankknows like it'll probably be

(01:16:20):
when I get my own property, butI plan on killing a deer one
year every method of hunting andthat would include also, you
know, the climber and everythinglike that I remember when I
first started.
That's what I was using theclimber and I like I still think
it was by far the mostcomfortable hunts I've ever been
in.
I had the summit one um climber.

(01:16:41):
That was just like the mesh,like kind of seating yeah, you
just sink into it so comfortablethat was not quite as comfy,
but we have lone wolf handclimbers, so they're still.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
They pack flat but they're still kind of rigid.
You know the seats aren't thegreatest, but like we could get
in some spots super quick, superquiet.
Like that's my whole motivationon that.
And yeah, you know, just it'sso familiar for me, like I could
probably get in a tree quickerwith a climber than you can
almost climb a ladder and strapin.
You know, like it's just it'sautomatic at this point.
But old dogs gotta learn newtricks, I guess you know yeah

(01:17:18):
we're gonna, like I said, addthat to the arsenal this year
and hopefully that helps us getinto some new spots.
And, you know, kayak would becool too, though that's on the
radar.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's on all of us, on all of
ours.
Yeah, I, I still think to thisday.
My favorite picture to ever seeis always the one when
someone's like kayaking andcanoeing, a buck out and you
just have the buck right.

Speaker 4 (01:17:44):
And yet I still think like that is a goal that is the
goal.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
Like every time I say that I think that's just so
cool, like that's, yeah it's abucket list for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
Like, like you were saying, like different methods
of hunting, like I've shot somany deer with a bow, a vertical
bow, that like I honestly likein not any kind of bragging
sense, I literally probablycouldn't give you a real number
and that's why this year I movedto the ground blind.
I have a Barnett crossbow.
I threw some of my strings onin a nice scope.

(01:18:15):
As long as I'm using legalmatters to do so, I kind of want
to do the same thing.
I want to shoot them with aslug gun.
Haven't shot, you know, Ihaven't shot with a crossbow yet
and just kind of differentmethods, just to prove you know
I haven't shot a buck over bait.
I want to shoot a buck overbait.
Like absolutely it's not my cupof tea.

(01:18:37):
But at the same time, like yougot to try everything once and
kind of just verse yourself indifferent experiences, because
if not, there's there's notreally much to keep you going
after it.
I want to spear one.
That'd be pretty cool.
I like watching Tim Wells, ohyeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Those arms squash.
I think you'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Squatch in the tree.
I would love, I would listen.
If you get to spear one, I am100 coming with you and filming
that whole.
Yeah, a squash in a tree likeget in a spear, right I mean,
but those hunts are pretty damncool like those, those spear
hunts like you know, you, youwatch them and it's like every
there there's just so manychallenges in in so many

(01:19:19):
different ways and it's like youknow that's another one.
Like you look at back, back andthey let our answer like listen
, they're, they're nativeamericans, are using spear,
they're using whatever, whatevermethod they could and you know
how many stick right and wealways talk and I always hate
where people are like oh well,baiting is not.
Well, guess what I guarantee youthey they drove buffalo off a

(01:19:40):
cliff right you can't tell mewhat you, you can't tell me what
is.
You know what I mean?
Listen, at the end of the day,their whole whatever is going to
get some meat yeah that's allthey did, that's all they cared
about.
And, yeah, we, it should be.
As long as it's legal, do it.

(01:20:01):
Yes, some things are not my cupof tea, a hundred percent I I
will not be, you know, I'll bethe first one to say it.
There's certain things thatlike, but will I try it?
Yeah, like, I eventually dowant to try, if it's legal,
still to go hunt with dogs, likeI would, I you know, I think,
it's a huge hunt down in innorth, I think, north carolina,
I think they.
They do that and stuff like thatyeah, like why not?

(01:20:25):
It's another experience likethat's why I pick up the slug
gun, that's why I bought a sluggun.
I'm not a big gun hunter.
I told frank like I went to astore.
I was like hey, you guys got aslug gun for sale.
They're like yeah, which oneyou want?
You want the two thousanddollar one or you want the four
hundred dollar?

Speaker 4 (01:20:41):
I said the four hundred dollar one.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
Yeah, I'm only gonna go out for a couple days a year,
like yeah let's get the.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
I remember that phone call.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
You know what I mean like it's a different, it's a
different method and aftergrinding bow season and it like
we, it's nice to relax it's.
It's a different hunt, it's arelaxing hunt.
You know, I tell frank all thetime I'm the time.
Hey, listen, you want to comeout?
You want to do that?
I don't even care about killinganything at that point.
I just want to go out, havesome fun, just go be with the

(01:21:10):
boys and everything like that.
If I kill one with a slug.
I can't wait, I really can'twait.
And then the muzzleloader willprobably be the next one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
That's probably be the next one, like I'm gonna.
That's how it wasn't themuzzleloader.
Yeah, I set a camera up up herein connecticut and the way the
bow season works is like oncegun season comes in they break
like a lot of state land youcan't bow hunt on.
So I didn't have a choice, likeyeah, I had a camera out and I
had a good deer show up oncamera and I didn't have a
muzzleloader.
I had one years ago in jersey.
I was like it's too much work,whatever, but here they could,
they'll ship you one.
So I was like hey, I went ontraditions, ordered a
muzzleloader, ordered a scope,and some rings went down to

(01:21:47):
jersey, sighted it in, came backand I shot that one out of the
ground, blind with themuzzleloader and like I thought
it was going to be like ah,whatever.
But it was like so dramatic forlike what the deer was too,
like it was just a five point.
But you know, big body, good,decent deer.
But I never shot one ofmuzzleloaders.
So like when you pull thattrigger and that cloud is in

(01:22:09):
front of you it did the suspenseis like killer.

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
You're like did.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
I get it and then it clears and you see the feet kick
and you're like yes.
Like it's a whole differentexperience.

Speaker 4 (01:22:19):
I love muzzleloader hunting.
Sometimes I've had seasons.
I mean I love mozo loaderhunting.
Sometimes I've had seasons.
I mean I've killed four deerwith the mozo loaders, like two
years ago.
I was just racking them, I waslike pow, pow.
I was like I want to shootanother one.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
This year too.

Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
I mean I got out of work.
I worked for a highwaydepartment.
We had a storm.
It was mozo loader season.
I got home, the deer were nextto my house.
I got orchards out behind myhouse.
I ran my fat ass all the wayout to the orchard and I got to
the first row of trees and Iwaited.
I could see her coming throughbig hundred and eighty pound doe
and I just touched it off andthere was just like you said,

(01:22:55):
there was just smoke, and I waslike yeah, oh man, I think I got
her and when I walked downthere I could there was just
blood spray all over the snow.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
I was like, oh yeah, she's done, yeah, it's a whole
different feeling, love it youhave to really try everything to
appreciate the whole entirehistory of hunting, especially
like muzzleloaders that's asclose to bow hunting as you're
getting.
Honestly, it's one and done.
If you miss, you might as wellpack it up and go home well, I
got my recurve.

Speaker 4 (01:23:24):
I took my recurve out after 20 years and not shooting
it and, uh, I was just shootinglast last night, night before,
and, um, you know, just startingout at 10 yards, but I'm
hitting my own arrows at 10yards, so I'll move back now to
20 and I'll start working on 20.
Yeah, that's one of myobjectives is to kill a turkey
this spring.

(01:23:44):
I'm going to take the shotgunout, get one down first, and
then I'm going to hunt the restof the season with the recurve.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Yeah, I'd like to shoot a deer with the recurve
this coming season.
Elite just came out with a newone.
That's pretty nice, so I'mprobably going to get my hands
on one of them and set it up andmake that an early season goal.
I don't know if I'm going totrust myself enough come
November to be ripping throughthe woods with a recurve, but
September, I think it's a goodway to get your feet wet.
That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
Perfect time to use it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:13):
When I took it up 20 years ago.
I said, you know, I think Ibought that recurve in July and
by October I was deadly withwith it and I killed a buck that
first year I was out.
And that feeling I mean Ikilled a lot of deer I've killed
, like you said, I don't evenknow how many deer I've ever
killed, but that primitivefeeling is when I when I did

(01:24:36):
that and I hit that deer,perfect and it went 75 yards and
dropped dead.
No, no sights, just threefingers under the string and let
it rip.
Man, that was.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
That was incredible I think that's when you really
become a man.

Speaker 4 (01:24:50):
It's when you shoot one with a recurve.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
Yeah, yeah, I ain't there yet I'm not there yet it's
on the agenda, but not quitethere, there yet.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
It's on the agenda but not quite there yet.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
I want to be a game longer, yeah, but all right guys
.
Hey Roger, it was a pleasurehaving you on.
I hope you had fun.
I know we all enjoy hearingyour stories and you know
looking forward to getting youback on and I'm going to see you
guys at that game dinner april5th.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
Um, I'll be there and then uh gonna try like heck to
get to that that orchard shoot,as long as I don't have any kind
of sanctioned shoot or anythingbig going on, yeah, we get out
there too, but I move aroundquite a bit.
I don't know who follows me orhow long you guys have, but yeah
yeah, I mean I have for a whileyeah I might have.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
Yeah, you might be my new guy, especially if
especially if you're going to betraveling out.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
That's why I have it, because when you were I think
when you were still living inSouth Jersey I was like, oh man,
I was like that's far, becauseI wanted you to work on my bow.
But now that I know you do thewhole traveling, I'm probably
going to have some work done,probably next year about it, man
.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
I, just like I said, and you know, I try to keep it
fair and just try to turn outgood work, so everybody goes in
the woods, and I mean I.
I get a lot out of that too.
Seeing my clientele havesuccess makes me super, super
happy, so that's why I do it,man it's awesome, love it, love
it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
but all right, guys, I guess we'll end there.
I just want to give, uh, realquick, just a big shout out to
some of our sponsors.
We have for Gilly puck, hexhunting, buckshot taxidermy.
Also, go check out bow guy,give him a, give him a shout,
he'll hook you up witheverything you need.
But we appreciate you guysstaying tuned and hope you guys

(01:26:39):
had fun.
We, we all know we did so.
Have a good night, guys, andwe'll see you guys next time.

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