Chasing Giants: 200th Episode, State Record Black Bear, Nyitrays Wide buck, and much more

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to the Garden State Outdoors and
Podcast presented by BrewingDuck Hunting.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
That's why your tagline Mike.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
JCL Long perfect.
You don't know what thatmountain's going to bring you
don't know what that mountain'sgoing to bring.

Speaker 5 (00:12):
I accidentally drifted my canoe between a sow
and a cub and she charged andhit the back of the canoe.
His head hit the ground beforehis ass did.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Begging and begging and crying to go with my
grandfather, go with my fatheron these deer drives.

Speaker 6 (00:31):
You know, the last trip over I shot a great Cape
Buffalo with my bow, Chargingbluegrass and then the whooping,
and then you hear a body drop.

Speaker 7 (00:40):
It was on fire.
I was having like nine, tendifferent bucks roll through, a
couple like mid-140 bucks rollthrough every day, and then the
rut came and it just everythingdisappeared.
I'm lucky if I get a couple ofthose that go through that
property.
No, it's just one of thosepieces that I thought was going
to be stellar and now it's justnot.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
It's certainly dried up for me a good bit, like I
have one spot that it keepsgetting.
You know daylight actionswhenever when I'm there, I'm.
Honestly it's not, probably notgood, but I'm already kind of
starting to set my sights onlate season, just because I
don't have much on my plateright now that I'm confident in
I love late season, that's likemy favorite time.

Speaker 7 (01:26):
And then you got alex over there.
That, uh, just sees deer, seesgiant deer every time he goes
out in the woods, I can't shoot.
The problem is it still toosore of a subject if I say you
can't shoot them because youlost all of your camo, leaving
your damn tailgate open?
Is that still too sore or no?
More about a subject?
If I say you can't shoot thembecause you lost all of your
camo, leaving your damn tailgateopen, is that still too sore or

(01:46):
no?

Speaker 2 (01:47):
More about a month in .
I'm ready to talk.
Dude, I lost my saddle, mysticks, my camo, everything you
can imagine.
Look, this is my ear closet.
This would be cool.

Speaker 5 (02:03):
You unlocked a new fear for me, because now I make
sure like I will get out of thecar.
I'll get back in the car and belike, oh wait, hold on, let me
make sure that the tailgate isclosed.
And now I lock it every singletime.
I don't even drive like I lockit.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
I can't believe they invented something where it
tells you that your tailgate isopen.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
I know right.
I my target to something whereit tells you that your tailgate
is open.
I know right.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
I target you Did, you shot a good one too right this
year In the early season.
What was that?
What'd you?

Speaker 7 (02:34):
say I said you shot a good one too up in the early
season.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
now who me yeah?
Yeah, I hit a pretty good10-pointer bucks yeah, it was
literally like a week apart.
Uh, I hit him high in theshoulder and I was just telling
these guys he, he, uh, he showedback up.
Saturday I had anotherencounter with him at 40 yards.

(02:59):
He's got a big scar right abovehis shoulder.
Actually, I showed mike thepicture.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
He looks almost fully healed.
He made it yeah, yeah, he'spretty much fully healed.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
He looks good.
He looks good, so he's.

Speaker 7 (03:12):
I said it before on Mike and Alex's podcast.
I don't know if you guysremember telling me this story.
I showed a Big Ten up inPennsylvania.
Do you guys remember that?
I showed a Big Ten and I justgot closure on that.
The other day I saw one of theneighbors and they told me that
they and I just asked out ofcuriosity.

(03:34):
I was like, hey, you guys eversee a 10-pointer?
Because they're big riflehunters.
I was like you guys ever shoota 10-pointer with probably got
four inches of arrow in hisshoulder?
He was like, yeah, we shot iton this shoulder.
He was like, yeah, we shot iton this date.
It was two days after Ishouldered him, oh wow 147.
Jesus, that hurt bad.

(03:57):
Yeah, I'm sure it hurt.
It was good closure knowingthat somebody told me do you
want to come see the mount?
He's in the lodge.
I was like no, no, that's allright, yeah, I rather know,
that's okay, but yeah, at leastI know he didn't suffer so I was
happy about that.
They put a.
They put a round in him prettyquick, so happy about it, but it

(04:21):
didn't feel any better.
I'll tell you no, I'm sure itwasn't great.
But now I'm gonna say I don'tknow.
I don't know if this is gonnamake it, but I'm gonna say I
don't think I've seen a yearwhere as many people as I know
killing big bucks I feel likeeverybody's killing bucks this
year.

Speaker 5 (04:40):
Everyone's on them so not not only that, but, andrew,
you probably know becauseyou're you're talking, obviously
talking to justin but thatbutcher has been full and not
accepting deer.
That was like the third orfourth time already this season.
Every single time there's justdeer constantly in the freezer,
like so many people are killingdeer, and I think that's part of

(05:02):
it is because of we're finallyrebounding from that really bad
year of ehd, the really reallybad year.
We're finally getting back to,I think, how things were, which
is a year ago.
It's a great sign.
Yeah, three years ago, yeah, Iknow what was it.

Speaker 7 (05:21):
uh.
So for the opener, I killed thedoe.
It was like literally fourminutes into the season and it
would have been like on the dotif we got in late.
We got in as it was gettinglike shooting light, but I
killed the doe.
It was like literally withinfive minutes of the season and

(05:42):
we got that doe there like twohours later and he already had
17 deer in the freezer.
So before I think it was beforenine o'clock in the morning he
had 17.
I was number 18, wow whatbutcher is that and he had two
guys that had shot a doe andthen a buck in that same morning
what butcher is that you go to?

Speaker 5 (06:03):
do you go to the same one as us?
Yeah, yeah, the game butcher.
The game butcher in Lebanon.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, how far are all you guys from each other?

Speaker 7 (06:14):
Well, now I live in.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
Probably all an hour now, at least minimum.

Speaker 7 (06:25):
Yeah, I, mike, I probably have more, like 40
minutes from here.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
Yeah, you're probably the closest, Brian.
I don't know where you're fromand everything like that, but
you're.
Is it close?

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Where Livingston?

Speaker 5 (06:38):
It's by oh Mike, where's you?
Okay, I live in Summit, sowe're super close to each other.
Yeah, I'm from Summit.

Speaker 7 (06:44):
I.
We're super close to each otheryeah yeah, yeah, I'm from
Summit, Okay.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
I'm not sure where you got some big bucks in Summit
there, buddy oh man, I hear itevery single.

Speaker 5 (06:52):
I trust you.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
I know two guys that are after two of them.
Right now it's a.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
The cops have it locked down pretty tight there.
Yeah, I know, I know I know One.
Yeah, I know, I know I know umone of my best friends.
He's a cop in summit and I knowI don't know if they do it
anymore.
But before covet I know theydid have a hunt going on and
everything like that.
but it was like this thing,where you had to pick a specific
, specific spot and you couldn'tmove from that spot and like I

(07:19):
think it was crossbow andshotgun.
Only I believe, yeah, it wassome wild like thing, and I was
like no, like I'm good, likethat's not my cup of tea that
year, with that ehd they shot a185 in summit.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
That was the one that everyone was going crazy for
yep, uh, yeah, some giants overthere I there's.

Speaker 7 (07:40):
Uh, I don't know if you want to like edit this out
or not, but in Edgewater there'sa 200-incher in Edgewater.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
We're dropping all these 180, 200-inch deer naming
the location.

Speaker 7 (07:55):
That's the thing In Edgewater.
I don't think there's actuallyoutside of baseball fields and
stuff.
I don't think there's actuallya piece of wood that it could
live on, so it's going to getkilled by a car or something.
But um, I just saw a video ofit.
It's got 18 scorable points andit's got like.
It's got like 16 inch c2s Imean you know edgewater and I'm

(08:17):
sure yeah yeah I mean, that'slike, that's like new york city.
It's pretty close to new yorkcity yeah, but they can grow.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
I mean same thing with summit like besides, like a
very select few people, noone's hunting them.
Like I have bucks going throughyou know my backyard and then I
have the train where the traingoes by and they're always
cruising over there but thereisn't, like there isn't much
that you can do, so like I'veseen some just absolute, just

(08:46):
studs and summit and likechatham and and all these areas
that just have such big deer.
Um, it's just a shame, you know, unless you're like you know, a
cop or something like that,you're really not, there isn't
really much that you can do andyou just have to watch them and
just be like shit.
I mean, I wish I I really do,it would.

(09:08):
My life would be so much easier.
First of all, if I could travelfive minutes to go hunting, I
mean that would, that would bethe best thing in the world.
But you know what?
It's just one of those thingsyou.

Speaker 7 (09:19):
You say it'd be the best thing in the world.
I walk like 400 yards to mystand where I live right now and
you think it would be the bestthing in the world.
I walk like 400 yards to mystand where I live right now and
you think it would be the bestthing in the world.
But you're you're out there sooften that you start losing yeah
, you start losing track of time.
It's uh, it's a little bit moreunhealthy than you think.
I mean, when you're forced todrive somewhere and it sounds

(09:41):
stupid, like, trust me, I, I'mvery fortunate, but it sounds
dumb.
But when you're forced to drivesomewhere to go hunt, it's uh,
it makes it a little bit morepleasurable, if that makes sense
.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
I know it definitely does.
But, um, before we get too damncarried away, let's.
Let's start officially.
We're gonna keep this in, butlet's officially start this
200th episode.
Um, I think I'm moving from the, the traditional welcome to the
garden state, outdoors andpodcasts, uh, presented by

(10:17):
boondocks hunting.
I'm your host, mike nitratething.
I think we are after 199.
I think I'm going to becreating a brand new intro
Moving forward.
I say that now, but then youknow we'll, we'll see.
I got the.
It looks like I got the wholeweek off of maybe not being able

(10:37):
to hunt because I went down toDelaware today and got myself a
huge flat tire and bent the rimand yeah, so the truck is in the
shop currently right now.
Won't get looked at tilltomorrow.
Um, so right now I'm sitting ina hotel room with my uh fiance
and we are just, I guess, goingto take a mini vacation instead

(10:58):
and just relax until I get wordthat I can get my truck back,
which hopefully does not cost metoo much money.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
So, um, put some blood in the back of that.

Speaker 7 (11:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
Bianca, we're driving here and she's basically like
you know, if you got pulled overright now, like I have blood,
just like everywhere, I don'tknow how like I, when I was
gutting that deer I don't knowwhat the hell I was was gutting
that deer, I don't know what thehell I was doing, but I guess I
had it all over me and I it'son the door, it's here, it's.
She's like you look like aserial killer.
Like she goes what did you say?
You're the most confidentserial killer out there because

(11:37):
you just have blood everywhereand don't clean up.

Speaker 7 (11:41):
Yeah, so um I think that's a compliment.
I think that's a pretty nice,that's a sweet compliment, if
you ask me it is.

Speaker 5 (11:49):
You know, I I definitely appreciate it, but,
um, you know one, one personeveryone here is a is a og to
this podcast, but we got a brandnew person.
I specifically wanted to bringhim on today brian melvin from
timber life outdoors.
Who is it?
Is it official yet or is itstill?

(12:12):
They still have to do all theirthing.
Shot a state record or worldrecord black bear here in new
jersey field dressed at 770pounds.
Correct, yep, correct.
So I mean there there's so muchto.
I mean bear hunting in NewJersey is such a such a crazy

(12:36):
thing too and there's so much todigest and I know you've,
you've done it a lot andeverything like that and you.
The funniest thing is before,obviously, brian told everyone
that he knew and then he went tothe check-in station.
Everyone found out there, but II'm pretty proud to say that we
found out before a lot ofpeople, because peyton was

(12:57):
actually in line with him and Ithink the front of him when he
goes guys, there's this giantbear here, and he sent us the
picture and, holy hell, what,what the hell like?
How does one even, how do youeven find this bear?
We need to hear the back, thefull story on this bear all

(13:18):
right.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
So yeah, you were going back to what you just said
.
It is confirmed the new Jerseybow record largest bear.
They haven't confirmed if itwas the shotgun, but I know it's
the bow the 770 gutted.
They're giving me roughlybetween 880 and 900 for live
weight.
It is right now currently theworld record for weight not Pope

(13:41):
and Younghead, but for weight.
Before that, 780 live weightwas the largest fair shot with a
bow in north america and he was770 gutted.
I'm waiting to see wherethey're going to land me with,
uh, somewhere between 16 and 18percent.
You know, taking the guts intoconsideration, that I didn't
have a choice.
I had to get them gutted.
We'll get into that in a littlebit.

(14:01):
But just answering your firstquestion and where you guys were
, what you were at with that,that, those are the stats and
where we're at right now, Idon't care about the records,
but that's where we're sittingright now.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
Um, so, real quick on on that because, like, I've
never really had had this talkwith, with somebody who has
who's going through this process, you know is it do they?
Do they initiate that process,like here, this is what we're
going to do, like this is theweight and everything like do
they start that or is thatsomething that you have to do
yourself?

Speaker 3 (14:31):
the state was pretty open about it.
I got reached out to thedirector.
He reached out to me and, youknow, confirmed with me.
Listen, we went back 20 plusyears and everything.
He's like you're the largest.
He's like there's no one evenclose to you.
Uh, he's like.
We got to look back into thegun rule.
Of the gun stuff he goes, theremight be one or two that was
larger for gun, he's like, butfor bow you're 70 or 80 pounds

(14:51):
over gutted, meaning the largestone was like 700 live weight
and you're at 770 gutted.
He's like you're not even close.
Um, the world record stuff's alittle different with some
people and again, that it's kindof that one's pretty loose
right now, whether or not I, itgets confirmed or not.
Again, it's not a Pope andyoung right, so let's just be

(15:12):
clear on that.
And some people like, oh, worldrecord or skulls, yes, there is
the.
There's a record for bears withskulls.
We all know how they get scoredand then there's a weight
record.
Uh, so it's a little bitdifferent.
But yeah, some people reach outto you.
You have conversations and Ihad a couple conversations with
some people and they're like youknow, unfortunately I don't
even want to have thisconversation with you, but you
gutted the animal and I'm like,yeah, and I do it again in a

(15:32):
heartbeat, you know it's theanimal we had to do it.
I had multiple people telling melike dude, don't, don't gut
this thing, don't do it.
But it was getting to 60degrees already at 8 30 in the
morning.
We were waiting to get to thecheck station.
You know the check stationopens at nine o'clock.
I knew I was like if I get tothis check station we don't have
it gutted, pictures go crazy.
It turns into a circus.

(15:52):
It's going to be two or threehours till I get this thing
gutted because I can't gut it.
At the check station I was likethere's no way it's going to
last if you guys have bearhunted enough.
You know big bears, they'rejust pressure cookers, right,
they're just gonna.
It just turns real fast.
So and it was gonna be climbingup.
There's no cover over there,we're out in broad sunlight.
It was just not a bad.
It was just a bad situation.
So it was a no-brainer.
Brought to a buddy's house, wegot it hung up, we got it gutted

(16:13):
and then we were able to takeour time going to the check
station, had the cavity open, itcooled off and was able to save
everything, got the wholeanimal back and all that good
stuff.
Um, the story behind it is alittle bit uh different in the
concept that I actually foundhim three years ago, uh, while
skating scouting late season inthe relative same area and I

(16:35):
just happened to catch him oncamera.
I had heard about big, bigbears in that area for years.
Uh, guys have always shot somegreat, great bears here in New
Jersey, right.
Right, people don't don'tnecessarily appreciate the
resource we have, but I justwent into the area looking for
bigger bears.
I've shot bears before and Ikind of wanted to progress to
the next stage of maybe notshoot, you know looking for that
next caliber of animal whereyou might.

(16:57):
If you've ever gone to thatnext level, you realize it's a
love-hate relationship, butwe'll get into that afterwards
as well.
So three years ago, got him oncamera, saw him in an area and
that kind of sparked theobsession.
I saw him, he was massive.
I was like holy crap, that's apig bear.
Started dialing into that arealater in that summer trying to
find out exactly where he wascalling home, bouncing around

(17:18):
from a whole bunch of swamps.
Got him dialed in relativelyeasy, which was kind of
surprising.
Again, this was prior to lastyear's season, right, and about
eight weeks before the season.
I really started six or eightweeks before the season.
I really focused on him and himalone.
I had like two or three otherbaits going but he was so
regular that I was like, oh man,this, what, what, you know,

(17:39):
this isn't that hard.
And then I was made to be afool and he just bounced on me,
just gone, and he did it to methree times over a six-week
period where, for no apparentreason, nothing I really did
wrong, as I thought and I'llexplain to what I think I did
now he would just vanish and goa thousand yards or a mile and
just go to a new spot wherethere would be bait there to be

(17:59):
bait present.
No one else was pressuring him,relative.
There was other guys in thearea that had baits going, but
again, it was six weeks beforethe season, it wasn't mayhem
like the week before the season,right, and he disappeared on me
three times, had to find himthree times, had to knock on
hundreds of doors, getpermission on private properties
, figure out what the state landhe was going through, all the
normal jazz that we've all donechasing big bucks or bears,

(18:21):
right.
He gets to his final swamp orarea that he wanted to be in and
we're three or four days beforethe season.
He is daylighting for multiplehours a day, sleeping on the
bait.
I'm like, all right, this is it.
I got this the night beforeopener.
He always showed up at the baitat like 10 o'clock at night and
would stay there until like sixor seven in the morning.

(18:41):
So I knew morning hunt wastoast.
There was no way I could get inthere.
But he'd always come backmiddle of the day or the
afternoon, six 30 in the morningof the opener of last year.
He gets up and leaves anddoesn't come back till May of
the next year of this year.
I was like, come on, I spentthat entire week of the season
just absolutely out of my mindtrying to find him.

(19:02):
I I spent I don't even know howmany hours running 30 to 40
cameras just trying to catch him, find him.
Nothing Couldn't find himanywhere.
Nobody heard from him, nobodysaw him.
Other guys in the area didn'tsee him.
He just vanished and apparentlyhe had done this for two guys
for like six years.
How he knows, we have no idea,but he did it multiple times
this year.
I was like all right, let meapproach this a little bit

(19:22):
different, went back to whereI'd normally been catching them,
ran some cameras again, finallygot him back in late or middle
of spring and he showed up inthe same exact area again.
He started doing the exact samething, showed up for a week or
two and then he vanished on me.
I'm like here we go again.
This time he went to acompletely different area of the

(19:42):
uh, the location that he waskind of resting in, or about a
five-square-mile area that hekept jumping around in.
He ended up in a spot that Icompletely had overlooked.
For a long time I've beenlooking for bigger swamps,
really nasty swamps.
Now, this was a nasty swampthat he ended up in, but it was
only about six acres.
It was tiny.

(20:04):
It was really tiny.
It was surrounded by houses.
He never really left the houses.
He always wanted to be reallytight to them.
You know easy food, he knew.
He knew not as much pressure.
I don't know how old he is yet,we'll get that back soon but I
knew I couldn't get into thatsix acres because it was total
swamp.
I mean literally almost to theroad edge it was.
It was not super huntable orsuper scoutable, it was all

(20:24):
swamp but I knew he was in there.
I got the permission across thestreet at the 30 acre swamp that
I had found and I was able tobuild a bait site that he was
started transitioning andliterally crossed the road every
day and was just patterningback and forth and back and
forth Right.
And we all know, guys that arefrom Jersey, we can't hunt over
bait.
We got to cut them off either ahundred yards out or pick up
your bait and you can hunt overyour site or however you want to

(20:45):
play it Right.
This bear was not going to beable to be hunted over a site
that had been baited.
He just never came in the wrongway.
He always came in the rightwind.
If it was the wrong wind and hecouldn't get around it because
of another road, there was a bigroad there, a big, really
really, really, really busy road.
He never came in on a southwestwind.
He just wouldn't happen.
So the only option was to find amorning that had the right wind

(21:07):
, which is a northwest wind, toget him on bait on camera, sell
cameras that were going and tryand slip in behind him tight to
that swamp that he was sleepingin.
That was the plan from day one.
Of course, the week before wehad northwest winds the entire
week which were perfect.
It was amazing.
It was like, oh God, if hestays on this pattern it'll be
perfect.
He would literally walk downthe same trail.

(21:28):
I have four cameras on it.
I knew exactly where he wasstepping every single time.
And then, of course, opening daywe had a Southwest wind, so I
couldn't help.
So he, uh and I.
He wasn't going to show upanyway, but Tuesday morning was
North going to be a Northwestwind, was going to wait for him
to do what he normally did Camein at night that night at
midnight, got on the bait.
He was stayed on it for acouple hours.

(21:50):
He would usually leave and thenhe'd come back around four, 35
o'clock, stay there until six,37.
He'd only daylight for like ahalf hour every other couple of
days in that morning.
He never came in on theafternoons ever.
So I knew I only had about 30minute window to make it happen.
He did exactly what I washoping he was going to do Got on
the bait, I jumped in the tree,got across the road, went in
about 30 yards on the edge ofthe swamp, got up in the tree

(22:12):
around four o'clock 415, andtried to set up on his trail
that I knew he was using.
I had never stepped foot in thatlittle piece before that time.
I purposely stayed away fromhim because I felt that years
prior times before that time Ipurposely stayed away from him
because I felt that years priortimes I'd walked down his trails
or sometimes that I tried toget close to his bedding.
Maybe there was a reason that Iwas pushing him out of the area
and he was vanishing on me.
I didn't want him to do thatthis time, so I stayed

(22:32):
completely out of there.
I literally scouted it from aroad edge and got, went into the
dark, picked out a tree in thedark, picked out my shooting
lanes in the dark and just gotup.
We used the climber, didn'thave a set in there, had nothing
.
Got up, got too high.
I got up to my normal 18 feet,realized I was too high in the
canopy because I was in a swamp.
I got above the groundclearance but I got too high
into the canopy.

(22:53):
I was losing my shooting lanes.
I had to come back down toabout 10 feet, which is not
exactly where I want to be.
But when you got a Volkswagenwalking at you but he and
walking at you but he, uh heturned it was.
It was just where I had to bein order to have shooting lanes.
I had a pretty good headlamp.
I was picking out shooting lanesin the dark, found some good
ones that 22, 25 yard mark onhis trail.
I was like, all right, if hegets anywhere on that trail,

(23:14):
it's lights out.
I got this sun came up.
I'm taking pictures like anabsolute fiend on my camera,
just making sure he's stillthere right like every 10
seconds, just smashing thebuttons, just seeing where he is
, what he's doing and uh, 652,he turns and spins and leaves.
It, leaves the site which Iposted.
That picture is the last one Igot.
He came right to the road edge,checked the road, made sure

(23:34):
there was no cars, came across,started walking down the trail.
I was like, oh man, this isactually going to happen, like
I'm seeing this freakinggodzilla walk across the road
right at me and he gets about 20yards into the woods.
Now he's about 35 yards from me.
All he has to do is keep coming.
Another 10 yards and it's we'regolden.
He stops dead, doesn't takeanother step and just freezes
for like two minutes.

(23:55):
I'm like no way I had aNorthwest wind, a 10 mile an
hour Northwest wind, hitting mepretty hard.
It was.
It was beating the thermal thatI had over a slight hill off my
left, my right hand shoulder.
I know he didn't win me.
I did not walk on that trail, Iwas downwind of the that trail
in the woods.
When I came in I knew there wasno way he winded me, but he just
knew and they said the big guysknow that well, it scared the

(24:16):
hell out of me because he juststopped and didn't move.
He turned directly a ninedegree angle and started walking
away from me and I was like noway, man, there goes all my
shooting windows that I justpicked out.
He cooked a little bit like the35, 40 yard mark and came to a
shooting lane that I had, orthat I found, at 45 yards and I
only had one more before he gotinto the swamp.

(24:37):
So I drew back, turned intolike a little Cirque du Soleil
in the tree, lean into it asmuch as I could and crouch down
and smoked him at 45 and, uh, heran about a.
Yeah, he ran about 40.
He ran about 100 yards.
He crossed the road, ran up abluff, a rock bluff, and and I I
thought he died right there.
We get out, I get out of thetree.

(24:58):
My buddy comes and meets me.
I'm like, dude, I smoked him.
But we're looking the ground,there's blood everywhere.
I'm like there's no way he'stoting.
That I was shocked.
He went as far as he did,actually, because bears usually
don't run super far if you, ifyou pinwheel him right.
So, uh, we got up to the rockbluff and he's sitting there at
10 yards right when we poke ourhead up and I'm like oh no,
that's not good, but he couldn'tmove.

(25:18):
We put a second one in himright away and it got up and he
moved like he walked like 35yards.
It was over, hit both lungs,didn't hit the heart, but he
toted.
I punched the first lung,sliced the whole bottom of the
second lung, but he still went130, 140 yards and pumped out
more blood than any of us havein our body.
And it was.
But he died in a pretty goodspot, which was amazing because

(25:40):
900 pound animal getting out ofthe woods is daunting when you,
when you walk up on that thing,but he ended up dying on top of
a hill with a huge slope on it,that we were able to put him
into the sled and the usuallyliterally just use gravity to
push him right down to the truck, which was a godsend.
And I I'm going to tell youthis one little piece and no
one's going to believe me and Ihear this, I have this
conversation all the time.
It was only two of us and wegot him out of the woods and, uh

(26:02):
, once we got him back to mybuddy's house to get him hung up
, that took seven or eight of usto actually lift him and have
to do some work to get him backin.
That was brutal, but to get himout of the woods it was just
two of us.

Speaker 5 (26:15):
So it's pretty we got a lot four of us to get in the
bear out, and payton's was thedirect opposite.
Well, the first payton's bear,first payton's bear, there was
like seven of us.
The second one it was four ofus.
But where Peyton shot his thisyear's bear he goes oh, it's not
too far away from where I shotit from last year.

(26:36):
I was like, okay, like that'snot that bad.
This man leads us on a, justlike a.
We just keep going and we keepgoing and I'm like what the hell
?
and then all of a sudden westart heading down and then you
see this black thing, like atthe end, like getting to the
bottom, and we're just like howthe hell.
And he's like, he gets closer,he goes, oh, it's bigger than I

(26:59):
thought and we're just like, ohmy god, like this is and thank
god there was four of us hecreated a super great way to get
the bear out where it was.
Like we look like, uh, dogsledding, we're literally like
in line of each other and wejust were able to tie the ropes
around and we just we just wegot it up the hill and got it

(27:21):
all out and everything like that.
But that's awesome fact that itwas two of you guys and I mean,
I get it.
You guys went downhill and usedthat big, that big body of that
bear's gravity to that's.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
That was the best thing that could happen to you,
because it was if we, if he haddied 60 or 70 yards earlier and
he literally went up a huge rockbluff, that was a rock cliff,
if he had died in that rockcliff, I'd still be there like
but he just happened to get upto the top of it, and that was
the saving grace I, I gotta get,I gotta get going in a second.

Speaker 7 (27:54):
But I I wanted to say just a couple things.
First of all, payton texted meas soon as he got to the thing
and he sent me a picture of justa bear, just this gigantic
black blob, and and he goes, uh,he goes.
Look at this bear.
I said there's no way, you justkilled a 900 pound bear.
He goes, that's damn close,it's seven and you know whatever

(28:16):
, yeah, and he goes and it'sgutted and I was like, wow,
that's an unbelievable.
And I for a second I thoughtpeyton killed it.
So I was like you know, youjust killed a world record bear.
He goes.
And then I didn't hear ananswer from him and I'm like, oh
my God, this is wild.
And he goes no, it's the guy infront of me or behind me or
whatever.
And I was like that's crazy.
And then I sent it to my dadwithin minutes of my of Peyton

(28:50):
sent it to me because my father,he's killed 16 bears and he's
got one fully mounted, mike'sall fully mounted.
Yeah, love that bear it's.
It's funny because that bear isactually missing like 200 pounds
from the mount, because thiswas 25 years ago it ended up for
like it was like 34 days.
It was the world record um 30years ago.
And when he called thetaxidermist he told him he was
like listen, it's a, it's a 650pound bear, so it's gonna need
like at, I guess at that point Idon't know how taxidermy was

(29:12):
done then, but you know thetaxidermist was like no, there's
no, the black bears don't getthat big, you must be misjudging
them.
And he was like no it it.
You know he.
He leveled out a 600 poundscale, completely leveled it.
So he's a, he's a 600 plus poundbear.
He's like no, you must bereading it wrong.
So he got him a form that fitsa 400 pound bear and he ended up
cutting off like two and a halffeet of the cape from that bear

(29:35):
, so that bear is actuallymissing like a foot and a half
high and a foot and a half twofeet wide.
And it was.
I showed that to my dad and assoon as I said that to him, he
goes that bear will never bebroken.
It will never be broken.
He was like you know, everyonetalks about big bears and stuff
like that.
He goes that bear will never bebroken with a bow.

(29:56):
Like never in its, never inyour guy's lifetime will that be
broken.
And I just when you think aboutit, it's wild, it's, it's a,
it's a crazy thing, that's a bigone talking to the taxidermist.
They're going to use a grizzlymount and shave off the hump
well, so that's that's what thatguy said, that you know my
dad's tax service he goes.
You know, a bear that bigwouldn't need a grizzly man.
He goes.
There's no such thing as blackbear that big, he goes.

(30:18):
They just don't get that bigand he was like no, it it is,
and so that's how they ruined it.
But I gotta, brian, I gottasend you a picture, mike.
Mike has seen him.
Um, the the pa record was shotlike a couple hundred yards away
from me and you know, just thenext property over and he was uh
, 700 and some odd pounds and Ihave pictures of him and it's,

(30:41):
it's so unbelievable how bigthose animals could be.
And, mike, I don't know if youremember him, the bus.

Speaker 5 (30:49):
Oh, I remember.
Oh, that bear.
Yes, I will never forget thatbear.

Speaker 7 (30:56):
And I remember the first podcast I ever did with
Mike.
I told him about him and I waslike his belly hangs on the
ground, like it rubs up againstthe ground when he walks.
And Mike's like no, no, thatmaybe not.
And I was like he needs askateboard underneath his
stomach or he's gonna lose allthis fur.
And everyone started laughing.
I said and, and that he wasthat big and he ended up being
the pa record and I think that's.

(31:17):
I don't bear hunt much but man,that's a wild story.
When I saw that bear I thoughtthat was the coolest thing in
the world.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
It was a good one and we got a couple others.
We put a couple buddies on a650 and a 550 that same week.
So they're there.
Man Jersey's got some monstersand there's some big ones out
there that I know of right nowthat are still there, and I know
of two that are going to beclose to my bear.
They're alive.

Speaker 7 (31:45):
I are gonna rot, are gonna be close to my bear.
They're alive.
I I don't want to.
I'm gonna stay the town.
Mike, if you want to bleep itout, that'd be great because you
don't have to say but there's a, there's a tank of a bear, one
of the one no longer the biggestbear I've ever seen, the
biggest bears I've ever seen.
Um was in franklin, um right bylike uh up Sussex County and my
sister has.

(32:07):
Yeah, he's got the doorbell.
She's got the ring doorbell upthere next to her Volkswagen car
and it's similar.
If you make a group chat I'llsend it to you guys.
I don't know, Like I said, I'mnot going to ask you where your
bear was shot, but Everybodyknows where my bear was shot.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
At this point I'll tell you he ain't there anymore
and there's there's some goodones in there.
But it was shot in kenelon, inin the, in a very affluent area
very big mansions everywherelike that.

Speaker 7 (32:36):
That's where my taxidermist is, kenelon yeah
that's wild.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Yeah, that's yeah it's just if he's, if you're, if
you're taxidermist in Kinelon,then I guarantee you drove by
where I shot that bear, like heliterally the corner of Kinelon
Road, kinelon Ave and the cornerof Basin Lakes Road, and it's a
major by uh.
Not the Boonton.

Speaker 7 (32:57):
Reservoir, but like Boonton Road, like on the
opposite side of the BoontonReservoir.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yeah, I know exactly where that is.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
That's so funny and it's cars like crazy and like
absolutely yeah.
Yeah, I live not too far fromthere yeah, that's the corner.

Speaker 7 (33:11):
He literally was in that little tiny swamp on the
corner I'm gonna tell you,though, andover, I beg people,
um, I beg people to to come toandover and come shoot these the
bears, because I want to.
But then I get too tied up withwhite tails and then I just
don't and the next thing I knowI'm at nine, I think right now
I'm at nine or ten days in whitetails and I just can't.

(33:32):
I just can't process huntinganything else other than white
tails.
But I tell everybody just come,come here and come shoot them,
because they're everywhere,they're everywhere there's a lot
of them and I it's important toto manage to manage those
numbers.
So I'm glad, um, I'm glad onelike that guy killed and I get
to talk to the guy who did ityeah listen jersey and north

(33:56):
carolina got fun.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
It was a good ride yeah, north carolina that they
had.
That was the guy last year, 780was the record and, uh, he
actually hit me up on facebook.
He's like like dude, really,he's like a year you gave me a
year I was like all right, I waslike, yeah, man, I was like you
shot a monster.
He's like, yeah, but you shot a770 gutted dude, he's like.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
That's depressing he was a good guy I gotta get going
listen everyone congratulationssuccess that you guys are
having.

Speaker 7 (34:30):
Um mike, congratulations on 200 episodes
and thank you.
Thank you, alex.
Make sure you close yourtailgate next time you go.
I'll talk to your fellows soon.
Good chatting with you guyslater take care, thank you man,
it's, and with whatever detailsI heard.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
So everyone has known about this bear right, and
that's the big thing that I heareveryone can you get into the,
if you want to or not, the crazystory the night?
Didn't something happen thenight before?

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Yeah, some, you know we're not going to get too deep
into that, but we can talk aboutit briefly.
Just, basically, some pressurefor some other hunters that did
or did not do something thenight before that they maybe
should or should not have done,or maybe it was the night before
, maybe it was the morningbefore, whatever.
Mean, I haven't, I have not, noconfirmation, can't say it

(35:29):
right, did not see them do it,uh, but apparently, yeah, they
had tried to harvest the animaland it didn't work.
So, um, but yeah, there hadbeen some pressure previous to
that and unfortunately,sometimes us as hunters are our
own worst enemy.
And I dealt with some issuesfrom that group and, uh, you
know, people that were justdidn't want me in the area, even

(35:51):
though I had perfect permissionto be there.
I was doing nothing wrong, I washunting on 30 acres, they were
hunting on four and you know, itwas just one of those things
where I was told that if theydon't get the bear, nobody's
getting the bear.
And uh, okay, I mean, yeah,whatever, you know, that's I
just, I just stayed, you know, Ijust I didn't give him much

(36:13):
thought, I just stayed thecourse, didn't buy into it,
didn't play into it and, uh,figured out a way that I had to
just kind of do my own thing.
I had some bait sites that theywere aware of, but they didn't
know my real bait site.
Um, I knew they knew of onebait site and they had focused
on it.
Pretty good, those guys, um,and I actually had my real one
about 100 yards away, in atucked away spot that the bear

(36:35):
was actually hitting.
So, uh, just let them focus onthat.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
It's, it's the, it's the unfortunate thing because it
just.
It's not only just with bear,it's with everything.
Whenever you talk aboutespecially big deer, like, yeah,
man, people get so like, yeah,oh, my god over and just crazy,
yeah, crazy.
Where you know, I I've hadincidents where people just they
lie so badly and I'm justsitting there, just like you.

(37:04):
Do you think I'm an idiot?
Like, first of all, do you knowhow many trail cameras I'm
running?
Like I know, like what's itlike?
Listen, I and I'm somebody who Ire, I want everyone to succeed.
I don't want just like, yes,you know what Do I want to kill
a big buck, of course, but I, Iput in so much work that
eventually I'm going to kill abig buck.
So if you want to go kill thatbig buck, listen, you don't have

(37:27):
to try to screw me over.
I will gladly help you drag thegoddamn thing out.
Like I love seeing other peoplekill stuff.
I love, like experiencing thatand having the conversations and
Like you don't need to lie tome, you don't need to try to
screw me over.
Like you don't need to try toscrew me over.
Like you don't need to steal mylike I had a my first cell cam
ever stolen this year.
Like you don't need to do allthat shit, like I, I don't.

(37:50):
To me it does.
That's not.
That's not what hunting isright.
I go out there every day, Iwatch the sunrise, I watch the
sunset, I see and listen.
I'm having a blast just doingthat.
Yeah, the bonus is is yes, thebonus is you know what, when
everything comes together, youknow.
But just what?
This, this podcast.
Here we're out, we're 200episodes and I've met I don't

(38:12):
know at least 150 great peopleat least, and and people and
guests I never from, from alldifferent types of backgrounds
and everything like that thatwould never have met.
Like every, every one singleperson here I've met because of
this podcast, that's all youknow, and it's, it's great, like
I, I love the community forthat and I I love you know how

(38:34):
everything has gone and that'swhat's important to me.
It's, it's the camaraderie,it's.
It's like you know, I calledsomebody.
Oh, my god, like my buddyjustin, he killed a buck
yesterday and he called me atwork and I knew the minute I
missed his call.
I was like this guy killedsomething and I called him back.
He goes, I got it done, he goes.
We did back-to-back and that islike and my patients are

(38:56):
sitting there just listening tome because they know what I'm
talking about and they're like,oh, somebody shot another buck,
like you know.
Or anytime I look at my phone,it's usually the guys like oh,
frank's, like, hey, the 10pointer was here, this big buck
is here, like you know.
It's like we're back in, youknow, in the locker room again
and playing sports andeverything like that, like I

(39:18):
love that for, and you knowthat's why I really do it, you
know, yeah, and people need tounderstand that their jealousy
is a part of it.
You know, jealousy is justhuman nature, unfortunately, but
it's not.
It's not worth it and it'sespecially not worth to lose
your license over, and that'swhy I always say, like I'll get
out the woods, like a few, I'llstart breaking down, maybe even

(39:39):
a few minutes early, cause, youknow, I don't, I don't ever want
to put myself in a situationwhere, gosh forbid, a warden's
watching me and I, I think it's,you know, I got a few more
minutes and I don't, like youknow, maybe my watch is on a
different time than you andlisten, I, I know it's crazy,
but it's like you have to belike that, you have to be so

(40:00):
conscious of what you're doing,because, just like that, they
can take away your license.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
As soon as I shot that thing, obviously the rumors
, the craziness started and andI I'm connected with a couple of
the wardens and I, you know,immediately sent over pictures.
Listen, I got trail camerasabout him at six, 52, alive, in
daylight.
Here you go.
This is where he came across.
I gave him the whole story,gave him everything, and it

(40:27):
started right away's like I postthat on, get it out.
He's like post those pictures.

Speaker 5 (40:31):
So everyone sees you know what the deal is and shut
everybody up.
So what was the feedback?
I mean, what?
First of all, for what was thefamily like what?
You know, what did the familysay like for for you?
I mean, I imagine, three yearsof of chasing this beast.
I mean, uh, mean, uh, it was,you know, it was a lot, it was a
lot of time a lot of money.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
I mean, I was running probably I ran probably close
to 5,000 pounds of bait.
I was buying pallets of youknow custom uh trail mix blends
from from Kelsey Burgess.
I don't know if you guys knowKelsey, but he's got the best
baits in the state by far forall the bear baits.
Uh, and how you're going to runbear baits and what, how you're
going to do it, you need youneed a really good supply if
you're going to run a lot ofbaits and some big bears so that

(41:09):
just, you go through a lot, butanyway, a lot of time.
My fiance will be able to tellyou exactly how much time.
I guarantee that.
Uh, but it was constant.
It was a lot of running around.
I was baiting every day.
It was.
It was, uh, a little, but yeah,everyone was super pumped.
Everyone was super happy for me.
My best friend helped me out alot running around, so we both
just took a breath after.
We're like we finally got itdone.

(41:30):
Man, that was epic.
But there was positives and thenthere was the big negative
which everyone heard about.
A lot of articles showed up anda lot of crazy stuff happened.
That was I'm all for everyminute I'll be able to voice
those opinions right.
It makes world go around.
We should have conversationsthat maybe aren't comfortable,
so we can learn something fromboth sides.
I'm all for all of that.
Where you lose me is whenyou're going to tell me that you

(41:52):
know you're willing to hurt meor my family because you don't
necessarily agree with somethinglike that.
Yeah, now you got.
Now I got.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
No patience for you now if you shoot any record
animal like that, you're gonnaget backlash, you're gonna get
rumors, it's just nature bearsare worse.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
The bears are that much more sensitive.

Speaker 5 (42:08):
Yeah, yeah, especially in jersey and jersey
it is and and that was theunfortunate, but like I was so
happy to to hear that everything, but I was like shit, like this
is I.
You know, when jersey bearcomes up, it is the most
controversial thing.
Why one of the mostcontroversial things in hunting,
just period, like I can't.

(42:30):
It's like california, like howcalifornia wants a ban.
You know a lot of things likethat.
We're on the east coast andit's kind of like jersey's the
east coast of you know of wherethey focus on the the bear
hunting.
You know they look at bears anddon't get me wrong, I love
bears and I love bears for somany different reasons.
They're honestly just amazinganimals.

(42:51):
I love the fur, I love to eatbears I think it's one of my
favorite meats to have andeverything.
And it is such anaccomplishment killing a bear,
you know, and the work andeverything that goes into it.
And I know everyone here haskilled a bear, except for alex.
Hopefully he comes to newjersey next year to kill one
what happened?

(43:12):
I've never even seen a damn bearwell, you, you gotta come to
jersey and listen you gottachange that next year.
Um, a lot of bears, yeah, yeah,we got plenty of bears to go
around here, um, but you know,it's this thing that they look
at them like cute, cuddly dogsand you know, and and pets where

(43:35):
I actually it's crazy enough.
I think yesterday at work, I'mon instagram and for some reason
I there is this woman and Iguess she's from new jersey, who
bears come to her backyard andshe will.
She like was scratching thisgiant bear's back that had snow
on it, and then I was like whoa,that like that's very

(43:57):
interesting.
I'm like what?
Let me check out her profileand it's all bears, but and you
were, you were on her page, oh,really, oh yeah, yeah, you were,
you were on her page.
I don't know if I have, if Ican find her again, like, but
you were on her page, like, andshe's, she's calling out murphy
and everything like that andthis is what you do.

(44:17):
But she's harassed hunterswhere there's.
I think the first year when wecame back, there were two
hunters that were carrying out abear and she was recording them
the whole entire way and justlike this is now.
This is disgusting.
Like this, like this bear wasin my yard the other day and
listen, I get it.
They're amazing animals, butthese people don't see and don't

(44:43):
understand the conservationpart of it.
Right, we cannot.
And they tried to ban the huntand look how horrible it went.
Where you had a governor whovowed that.
He said that he was never goingto have a bear hunt while he
was sitting in office in NewJersey, new Jersey, and I think

(45:09):
two years after the full ban itcame back because of how bad and
how how much the population hadhad grown and how many bear
encounters there were.
And I remember that one summerit felt like everyone's damn dog
was getting attacked by bearsup in Sussex.
It was, it was insane.
I think an old, elder, elderlyman got attacked as well, trying
to protect his dog andeverything like that.
So now you're talking aboutwhen is someone going to get

(45:29):
killed again and for for ourgovernment or our in state of
new jersey, I think that startedwhere, holy shit, what is going
to happen if a little kid is isattacked by a bear or something
like that?
And I think finally they had tolike they just had no choice.
I they really didn't, becauseit did not work, the what they

(45:52):
set in motion and did not work.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
You don't want to believe the biologists it's
whatever's gonna happen and theother thing is that I've talked
to multiple biologists the factthat there's there's nothing
controlling the bears outside ofthis hunt, right, except for
maybe you know, a soccer momhitting them on 80.
Yeah, but we're having bearsthat are having four and five
cubs and they're making it everysingle year.

(46:17):
That's not the way it'ssupposed to work.
They're supposed to have fourcubs and maybe two make it, and
then we and that's a big maybe.
Right, yeah, no, I had 24 cubson six barrels.
It was insanity, pure insanity.
That's just c?

Speaker 5 (46:35):
cubs, that's not adult bears, that's just cubs so
yeah, I've heard that themothers having four has gotten
really like, really popularlately.
You see a lot of bears thathave three to four cubs now.
I don't really see too manythat have one or two anymore.
I do see often where it's threeto four cubs now.

(46:55):
I don't really see too manythat have one or two anymore.
I do see often where it's threeto four cubs and that's, that's
a um, I can't.
That's not how nature issupposed to work.
No, it's not.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
It's not realistic, if you ask the biologists across
the country.
They have no answer.
They don't understand it.
They have no idea why it'shappening here.
They just other other than ushaving you know, a lot of food.
We have good mass crops.
We've had weak winters.
There's a lot of you knowgarbage.
There's whatever it is a lot of.
There's baiting and stuff likethat, but it still doesn't
necessarily equate to whythey're getting so many or their

(47:27):
mortality rate is so low.
Um, it just it blows their mind.
But again we're seeing I hadtwo, two, no, I three sows with
five or more cubs and just crazy, just nuts man, and healthy,
super healthy, super healthywell, hello steve, welcome

(47:48):
brother, you finally put thekids to bed.

Speaker 5 (47:50):
What's?

Speaker 6 (47:52):
up fellas, how, how we doing.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
They must be happy that you're home.

Speaker 6 (47:55):
Oh man, yeah, it was awesome.
10 days Papa away for 10 days.
It was a little rough, but Iwas super happy To be home.
I missed the crap out of them,dude, but it was an amazing trip
so it was all worth it.
Nice, definitely.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
Before we get into to to your situation and what you
can tell, because I I don't knowwhat you're you're allowed to
talk about and everything likethat.
Um, brian, one one big questionI I definitely have for you,
because you know, I mean thiswhole entire topic is I, I just
love bear hunting and next yearwe're going to get you on where
we're just going to talk a wholeepisode about bears and

(48:34):
Um, have you gotten to eat themyet?
What?
What is that like?
Because you know, a bear thatbig, you hear people say, oh,
that might not be the besttasting bear.
You know how do you compare itto.
You know some of the otherbears that you've shot that have
been on the smaller size.
You know, I bet he had a lot offat on him and everything like

(48:55):
that.
Has there been a difference?
Or, you know, has there?
Have you not been able to tellthe difference?

Speaker 3 (49:00):
no difference.
I'll be honest with you.
Even speaking to my, my butcher, he was like he's like, first
of all, dude, he's like, awesomejob getting this thing out, man
.
He's like you saved everything.
It came in so clean.
He's like there was, there wasnothing wrong with.
You saved everything.
So the meat came out super,super, super perfect.
The fat was ridiculous.
He had nine inches of fat oneither side of his body.
Um, just two 200 pounds of fatcame right off the top and that

(49:25):
was.
That's a whole nother ball gamein itself.
It's been donated.
They're making soap and candles.
I can't wait to get a wholebunch of them back, cause
everyone goes crazy for thisbear soap.
I had no idea that that waslike that big of a thing, um,
but it's a huge thing.
So I'm looking forward to that.
I haven't gotten that yet, butwe got the meat and I really
haven't seen any difference.
I'll be completely honest withyou.
I have not had a backstrap yet.

(49:45):
I haven't had a loin yet, justjust to chop meat.
So I'll have to report back toyou when we, when we dig into
that.
But the sausages chopped meat,everything's been great.
Yeah, I've heard it multipletimes.
Like all the big bears aren'tedible, and I mean I've eaten
fours and sixes and never aproblem.
This is my first nine, sothat's that.
That'd probably be my last one.
I don't think if I'll evershoot anything this size again.

(50:06):
But uh, but no, it's been great, it was all fantastic, it was
all used and it's all looksbeautiful.
Even my butcher was like.
You know, the meat came outbeautiful, he's like, he's like.
I don't know what you werefeeding him, but do it again
because it was great listen, forthose of you who do not know, I
mean bear.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
To me, bear meat's very sweet and it smells and
tastes just very sweet.
It's like a pork.
You know that that's what itreminds me of pork um, it is,
but I mean I'm getting hungryjust thinking about it.
It reminds me of pork Um, it is, but I mean I'm getting hungry
just thinking about it.
It's one of my favorite bear.
It is, it is one of the bestmeats I think I've ever had, by
far.

(50:45):
I honestly think I wouldprobably eat bear over deer.
And then that's like sayingthat's saying a lot because I
love deer meat.
But we had um for Peyton's bear, we had the heart and like I
don't know if it's the way thatwe cooked it, but even the heart
was better than deer heart.
And I don't think there'sreally I don't think that's a
thing where there's a, there's adifference in it.

(51:06):
I don't, I don't see how thatcould be a thing, but I'll tell
you that that was the best heartI've ever had from an animal
and it just happened to be abear and like that was just like
bear is just like it's above.
Nothing compares to it.
I, I, in my opinion, and Ithink in american life.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
How many people don't know you can eat bear?
I had so much hate because,like, you can't even eat it like
says who, what are you talkingabout?
Like what, what's the deal here?
And then when joe rogan that'swhy I'm here too, yeah, yeah,
when joe rogan popped up aboutit and he and that that got cool
and that that opened up a wholenother big door to a whole
bunch of stuff, and uh, but himtalking about it, and then him,

(51:47):
uh, and then a couple localtalks and a couple radio things
that I did which broadened thehorizon for a couple people that
didn't necessarily understandthe full concept where, like all
the meat's being used, you caneat bear, it's perfectly fine,
you cook it the same way youcook pork.
Just make sure you cook it, youknow, to a good temperature and
you're good to go.
Um, that that kind of smoothedsome things out.
Some of the craziness that wasgoing on, uh, that kind of died

(52:10):
off, died off after thatinformation had got out there.
But I got dozens, if nothundreds, of messages.

Speaker 6 (52:15):
You know I'm not gonna verbalize all of them, but
to the point of you know,you're just shooting for for a
trophy.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Blah, blah, blah.
I'm like oh man, we're eating.
I promise I got.
I didn't answer.
You know a quarter of them, butit was just so many people
don't know.
They're just not educatedenough and that's a shame and
and that's, and that's the thing.

Speaker 5 (52:31):
Like I hear a lot, but you know, my experience is
well.
First of all, I've never shot aworld record bear.
But you know, when, when I tellpeople, especially at work and
my patients are like you can eatbear, and I'm like one of the
best things you know, and theseare kids, so like when you tell
them they're now they'restarting to get educated on,
we're like, okay, great, great,you could do these things.

(52:52):
The people that have a problemthey're not, they're older, they
had no idea and you know, it'sstill a thing that I think is so
frowned upon.
Where everyone thinks bears, orwhen you, when hunters, go to
africa, how many people have wehad on the show that go to
africa and be like this is nottrophy hunting, all that food,
all that meat is used like thevillages.

(53:12):
That's what they, that's whatthey eat.
First of all, you go back.
They'll cut you, you know, andthey will make you the food, but
then the rest of it's donatedto the villages.
That's how they, you know, they, they eat and everything, they
eat everything, they useeverything and it's it's just
people do not know that and theythink that these rich people

(53:33):
and they usually say rich aregoing over shooting something
just for the sport of it, andbut it's also I don't think they
understand it is so difficultto bring, you can't bring all
that back.
We're legally not allowed tobring all that stuff back with
us, you know.
And then if, if you, we, muchmoney would it be?

(53:55):
If you shoot a damn giraffe,Like, how are you going to bring
that back?
You know, you, you or you youshoot a.
What did Chris shoot a?
A water Buffalo, a waterBuffalo, right, yeah, yeah, hey,
buffalo.
How the hell are you bringingthat back?
Those things are cute, justlike the bear.
Like, if you shot that bear,you know out alaska, or

(54:16):
something like that.

Speaker 6 (54:16):
Or you go do a grizzly hunt or anything like
that, like you can't bring allthat back, it's almost
impossible the uh, theanthropomorphization of animals
has really enshrined their placein people's minds, whether it's
bambi or baloo or whoever youknow, whatever it is yogi, bear

(54:39):
to thinking that these animalscan't be consumed or used for
anything other than ourimagination, and that's an
unfortunate thing very true.

Speaker 5 (54:50):
Speaking about, uh, bambi, I saw a post when I woke
up this morning and it goes.
When I have kids, I can't waitto re-watch bambi.
And I saw a post when I woke upthis morning and it goes when I
have kids, I can't wait tore-watch Bambi and see Hunter
sneak into his dad's 175-inchbedroom and kill him just like
that.

Speaker 6 (55:06):
Okay, as Hunter put that out today, that was
fantastic.

Speaker 5 (55:10):
Yes, that's who it was.
Yes, that's who it was.
But, steve, anyone else haveany questions they want to ask
on the bear topic?
He'll be definitely back on.
If you would like to come on,we can definitely dive more back
into it and everything as well,because bear hunting is one of

(55:32):
the best things.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
I didn't even know that.
I didn't know you killed theworld record bear whenever I saw
you on here.
So that's awesome.
Thanks, man.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
I got one quick question Well, what was your bow
set up?

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Uh, I shoot in a Hoyt vector turbo, which is a little
bit older, bow, but uh,shooting a 535 grain arrow,
which is a, a, a victoryextortion, which is the
stainless steel ribbon, and witha 2.0 sever okay oh, yeah,
there we go 72 yeah.

(56:07):
So I got a little bit of.
So I've shot some elk with thatsame setup and you know, blew
through, did no problem, youknow handled all that.
I shoot all my deer with thatsame setup and I was toying with
the idea of going down to the1.5 uh for better penetration.
But I knew if you shot enoughbear, that if you, if you shoot

(56:29):
a bear well, they usually don'tgo very far, the deer will go
farther right.
So I knew if I could just getthat, I wanted the two blade
because I knew there was a goodchance I might not get full
pastor.
Just there was.
You know, it's nine inches ofballistic gel on either side of
the body, right and then whereeverything was in the sun.
I just needed to get two inchesinside of his cavity and if he
ran he would do more damage andeventually we would go.

(56:50):
I didn't think he went fartherthan I thought.
I did not think he was going togo over 100 yards, but it's a
900 pound animal.
So when you walk, up to yourlike and I, you know, I've shot,
I've shot, I've shot a bull elkbefore and I've shot some other
big stuff and they're big right, but they're not they.
The magnitude is different, butuh, but it did work.
It awesome.

(57:11):
Penetration went pretty muchright to the freaking all the
way to the fletchings and theblood trail was epic.
I mean, I could send you guyssome, some footage and some
stuff definitely that I have notposted.
Uh bus following the blood trail, and I mean stevie wonder,
could have followed what wasyour thought process watching
this thing walking in on you?
Um, I mean, you gotta be, don'tscrew up.

(57:32):
Um, pretty much the first thingthat came to me was because he
stopped and I was like what thewhat did I do wrong?
Like he just paused and youknow, in the woods, right like
10 seconds feels like fiveminutes, so three yeah, like an
hour, man, I was like there's noway I did nothing wrong.
I'm feeling the wind, like justdon't screw up right now.

(57:53):
And again, I was on a climberin a tree that I picked out 45
minutes earlier because I hadn'tgone in there.
So I'm like second guessingeverything.
But it was just I knew if hecould.
Just I just needed to get alittle bit of a window.
And again, if he's there in aswamp and you know what you're
shooting through, it's brutal,right, you're shooting like a
little through, like pinsaplings and stuff like that,
but he gave me just enough.
But, man, I doubt the entiretime.
I'm not gonna lie to you,there's no, there was no point

(58:14):
in the time until I had my handson him, where I was like, oh,
this is gonna happen.
I was like I'm gonna screw thisup somehow and it's huge.
You see this massive ball justcoming, walking through the
woods and I'll tell you that wasone of the big things too where
, like, you settle on them,right, you settle your pin.
You're like, wait, where am I?
I'm like, all right, yeah,right, so, and then you have to

(58:35):
come back a little bit and, uh,doubt the whole time until I got
my hands on it.
Man, super humbling, learned aton from that animal, by far the
smartest animal I've everhunted.
I've shot some pretty good deerand, uh, he smokes them all by
far definitely yeah I know I, Idefinitely believe that you know
.

Speaker 5 (58:52):
Uh, the goal for me next is you know, I've killed
one with the gun and I will.
I don't want to hunt anotherone with the gun.
I just it's bow for me and Iwill.
Two years now with the bow andjust keep striking out, so but
it's going to come event.
I mean, it's almost, it's.
Your chances are so high in newjersey and, alex, that's like

(59:14):
for for us here, like bears areso common that like you see
bears and it's just like, okay,like I see it, you see all the
time, yeah, all the, all the ifyou're, if you're in north
jersey.
You're seeing, you're alwaysgonna see them no it's gotten so
common where people are likehow do you stay so like, how do

(59:36):
you not freak out?
I don't know, it's a bear like.
I've been five, six yards awayfrom, from black bears and it's
like.
It's like, okay, I don't like.
I remember the first timeseeing them, like, yeah, when I,
10 years ago, I would be like,oh my god, like, and my
adrenaline will pop up.
Now it's just like hey bear,hey bear, like I literally got.

(59:57):
I literally got stalked by abear.
Then, like the day before, uh,the season right, where I was
going to hunt a bear I guess Idon't know if he was following
us or not, but he walked rightup on us and then kept walking
towards us and that made me alittle uncomfortable, because
what I tell people is the bigbears.
I don't worry about the bigbears, they don't.

(01:00:18):
They don't do that, they don't.
It's the teenage bears that youhave to.
And this was a.
This was a teenager and he wasvery curious of what we were.
I think my buddy scared him andthen he started pospering and
he kind of went at the ground.
He was doing things where it'slike all right, this is a young
bear, this is the bear that youhave to be careful of.

(01:00:39):
So the big ones they don't showup.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
I've seen so many.
Yeah, they don't care about you.

Speaker 5 (01:00:47):
No, they don't, they don't want to be bothered.
I've seen big bears and theminute they know me I saw one
and deer hunting.
I think it was the last yearthat you could.
It was the last year, the firstyear that you couldn't hunt on
state land before they banned itfully on private, and I had
this big bear coming and I waslike hey, hey bear, get the hell

(01:01:08):
out of here.
And he literally just looks atme and just looks back, slowly,
gets up and just slowly, likenothing even happened, like he
was just like let me just getout of here because, like he, he
doesn't want to be bothered buthe doesn't run, he doesn't.
He knows he's the biggest andbaddest thing, yeah, and he's

(01:01:30):
just gonna get up slowly andhe's just gonna move on to
whatever.
Whatever he's gonna do, youknow, and that's really about it
.
Like the big ones, I love seeingbig bears.
I'll take big bears over momsand and cubs and and teenage
bears.
You know, big bears, big malesare, yeah, big males.
I I'll take seeing big maleshey, uh, mike.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Yeah, hey, before uh, we continue on.
I just want to let everyoneknow I gotta run um, I didn't
realize what time it was and Igotta be up extra early for uh,
for work tomorrow, but it wasawesome, no problem, brother uh
brian, appreciate you coming on.

Speaker 5 (01:02:07):
Thanks, man, pleasure meeting you take care brother,
take care guys so I guess, sincesteve one of one of the kids
woke up, so steve had to go.
He's going to try to get backon.
Um, on our this, our 200thepisode.
It's also one of our fieldnotes episodes, so I guess I'm

(01:02:28):
the one with the latest news ofI.
I smoked a big buck and, uh,he's wide, he's very, he's very
wide.
Um, I have no history with thisbear at all, like nothing, I
mean bear deer at all, um, soI've.
Halloween was the last time Isaw my number one hit list buck.

(01:02:50):
He was there broad daylight.
I decided, because it was 80something degrees, to go hunt a
waterhole.
I was like, ah, he's not gonnashow up, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go
hunt a waterhole.
There's a big buck or does willcome through there.
Nothing but turkeys.
I almost shot a turkey and, ofcourse, at 5 40 I get a picture

(01:03:11):
of this big buck and I'm justlike, oh my God.
But I'm like, all right.
Usually he stays around for acouple of days when he daylight.
Once he daylights multipletimes.
He's my most consistent maturebuck.
He's probably at least four anda half years old where he
daylights consistently likeconstantly.

(01:03:32):
So I'm like, all right, I'mgoing into this week.
I'm like, yes, there, you know,no big bucks.
I went from seeing big bucksconstantly to seeing only does
and spikes, and maybe like athree-pointer, and I was like
what the hell's going on.
So I'm like, all right, theweek goes by, you know, I'm only

(01:03:52):
seeing small stuff.
I'm seeing does, but no buckstrailing.
I'm like what the hell's goingon?
Like this is, this is bizarre.
So I'm like, all right, let mego pop a camera.
I, peyton and I scouted a spotthat had a little stream going
through it and we're like, allright, let me get back there and
I hang up a camera right in thestream.

(01:04:14):
And the next day I'm out huntingnothing in the morning.
I go out for the evening andI'm scouting and I bump a buck.
So I set up Right.
When I get set up, it's aboutlike one o'clock.
I check my phone at 1246.
Two big bucks had went rightpast that camera and we're

(01:04:35):
working in that camera chasing.
Does I get down?
I take literally all my geardown, I throw into the pack and
I'm I'm hauling ass.
I'm like, all right, I'm gonnaget real aggressive like they're
, they're, this is gonna work.
I'm gonna get aggressive and Idid.
I walked right into a a doebedroom literally sat on top of
doe beds.
Basically don't advise that,but it worked for this for this

(01:04:57):
exact moment.
Um and mid set up, I had doesbeing chased all around by bucks
.
I think I saw seven differentbucks.
None of the big boys, but sevendifferent bucks.
Deer were everywhere and Inoticed that the bucks were
coming in.
There was a thicket that had ahole and they would check the
doe bedding.
Then, if they didn't see,obviously they'd move off.

(01:05:19):
Whatever that day goes, none ofthe big boys come.
I saw a couple bucks sparringand everything like that.
I'm like all right, tomorrow'sgoing to be cold.
I was like I need to get inthis spot.
I go.
It's a little risky because I'msitting on top of does, but
hopefully they're not bedded inhere when I get in.

(01:05:40):
I get in, I see does immediatelywhen I'm driving in, when I'm
pulling off, right where I wasabout to pull my truck off,
there's does right by the sideof the road.
I'm like, oh shit, okay, let mepull down even further.
So I pulled down even furtherand I get out and I, you know, I
I get in, I get set up and deerjust going crazy.

(01:06:01):
I can hear.
I can hear deer being chased,um, I saw a spike like before
shooting light and then I heardtwo bucks going at it across the
road.
I'm like, all right, this isgoing to be a good hunt, like
all right, this is gonna be agood hunt, like all right.
I, I can feel it.
And the next thing I know I hearhim.
He's coming behind me.
He comes in, he stops and, justlike you were talking about,

(01:06:23):
it's like going on forever.
You a few, a few seconds feelslike minutes and I'm like what?
I'm like what?
The hell I go, he didn't see me.
There's no damn way he saw me,like he he's not looking at me
and he's checking the.
He's checking to see if hecould see any.
Does the bedding and everythinglike that.
And he turned around and I'mlike, oh my god damn, and I'm
filming him and what I think hedoes is he caught scent of, um,

(01:06:48):
the hot racket or hot trap thatI spray on my boots and he
picked up that scent and hewalked on a perfect trail, 20
yards, absolutely smoked him.
He ran 10 yards, didn't knowwhat hit him.
He was so like hyped up onadrenaline and it's just that
time of the year that he justslowly just walked off.

(01:07:08):
I got down.
I found him maybe 60 yards.
I mean this boy was leaking'musing um.
I used, I've been using set.
I've been shooting severeveryone knows, for the past
like six years I'm a huge severguy, but I switched to the the
new hybrids and those things getdamaged and I mean the blood

(01:07:29):
trail was like you said, steviewonder could have freaking like
anyone could have found this.
My buddy came out who doesn'thunt, because everyone else was
in the woods.
I was like, hey, listen, I needyou.
You live close by, he's not ahunter, he's this big like just
buff guy that he's goofy as helland he had no problem following
the blood.
So, like you know, I it was theit was the perfect hunt and you

(01:07:52):
know I had a hunter come by andI I told him I go if you're
going to get aggressive, now isthe time to get aggressive.
Like I don't.
I don't, I'm not worried aboutscrewing up a hunt right now.
The bucks have one thing ontheir mind and that is chasing
does and trying to get some tail, and that's 100% what it is.

(01:08:13):
I go my, my wind wind was.
He came downwind of me andeverything like that.
He didn't care about anythingelse.
He either wants to fight or hewants, does.
And if you're going to getaggressive, this is the time to
get aggressive.
And I usually don't get thataggressive where I set up

(01:08:34):
literally on top of dough beds,but I did and it paid off and
it's something that's like whereyou hear people like oh, you
don't, you know you want to be30 or 40 and you definitely do.
But there are times where youcan get aggressive because, like
I said, they just don't know,they don't care, they have one
focus and when they're running athousand miles per hour chasing

(01:08:57):
does nothing else matters tothem.
And it worked out and it w, itw, it was the perfect thing.
And then I was completelyexhausted and drained after that
and it felt a huge weight offmy shoulders after last year's
terrible, terrible season.
But you know, I'm very grateful, very thankful to the fiance

(01:09:20):
and the family and and andeverything like that, because
without them I mean I wouldn'thave the I'm what I'm on sit
number 43 this year.
The goal is to get to a hundred.
I'm trying to get, and that'swith bear, that's with waterfowl
, that's with everything that Ido, trying, I'm trying to get to
100 this year.
Once we have kids, I don'tthink I'll be able to get to 100

(01:09:41):
again, so I'm trying to do asmuch as I can now, because that
won't be possible once thechildren are involved.
So very good, very successful,um, and then I came, like I said
, I came to delaware and youknow grind is on what you got
anywhere up through delaware.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Are you just going to delaware next?

Speaker 5 (01:10:05):
honestly I'll probably if say, if I can't hunt
tomorrow or anything, I'llprobably I may come back down,
um, but also, like I'm at 40something sets already, I really
want to start focusing.
We got six day gun season.
Everyone knows I'm not a reallygun hunter, but it's a change
of pace.
I would like to relax this.

(01:10:26):
From september 1st, since wecame down to delaware till the
other day, it's a complete grind.
And uh, you know, you knowAmerican Mike, he, he texted me,
he goes, dude, you like he goes.
I'm proud of you because notonly that, he said something
he's like you get into themindset of like you're like a
deer and like that's kind oflike, that's kind of how I like

(01:10:48):
to try to hunt.
And you know I I hunt a lot andI'm scouting and I probably
drive my fiance freaking crazy.
That's the only thing I careabout at this time of the year
and I know everyone listeningand you know talking or
definitely can, can relate thankgod for a significant others.
But you know you kind of haveto get in that mindset of if

(01:11:10):
you're gonna like do this to thepoint that you know we're doing
it like you just kind of gottayou just go, you just go and you
grind and grind and grind.
So I'm looking forward to that,uh, like to that gun hunting,
because, like then, I just Idon't care what I see I've
tagged out, like if I I justwant to be for the fun and like
hanging out with people.
We're gonna go to we call uhbeer camp, where it's for deer

(01:11:31):
and bear, and honestly, we justdrink all in our time.
We're gonna make go to we callit a beer camp where it's for
deer and bear, and, honestly, wejust drink all of our time.
We're going to make we'll do apodcast.
I'll be wild and everythinglike that, and we eat, bianca
will cook and everything likethat, and we're just going to
have fun.
And then it's waterfowl time andI, shooting waterfowl, has
become a such a passion of minethat it's, it's absolutely

(01:11:52):
insane.
And passion of mine that it's,it's absolutely insane.
Um, and this is exactly what Iwant to do.
I wanted to be tagged out so Ididn't have to to be like, oh,
do I go waterfowl hunting or doI go deer hunting?
And it's still always going tobe deer hunting, you know.
But now I could be like, okay,now, now I could go waterfowl
hunt and not have to worry aboutanything else, you know.
And then when winter boat comesback around, depending on

(01:12:13):
pressure, you know, especiallywith this competition too, you
know.
And then when winter bow comesback around, depending on
pressure, you know, especiallywith this competition too, you
know, I, I still got it peopleare starting to shoot freaking
deer all over the place.
So this, this competition isdefinitely heated up where, um,
I've got five days.
I'm feeling so yeah, I mean,it's still a lot.
And you know, for, like I said,for those of you guys who don't

(01:12:34):
know, we're going to be doingthis every year.
Where we actually hold ahunting competition, it's
throughout all the states herein the United States, it's
through the whole entire huntingseason.
It's archery only, but it'sjust another thing where
everyone gets to connect andhave fun with each other and,
just like you know, we're allcompetitive but it's all like

(01:12:54):
fun because we all support eachother too.
Like it's like every post is.
Like, you know, when someonekills something and everyone
says congratulations, you know,shout out to Meg who, um, who
had a successful uh, spinesurgery to her after killing her
, her big buck and everythinglike that, and um, you know.
So it is a, it is a great thingwhich we will end the year of.

(01:13:15):
Also, every year, we'll end itwith a game dinner that we'll be
doing.
Make sure you guys get there,especially you over there, so we
can finally meet you.
Alex, I'll be over.
We're looking at what date arewe looking at?
April 1st, april 2nd, firstweekend of April.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
There's never anything going on in April.
I should be good yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:13:41):
And that's and that's what we're.
We try to do it when there'swhere there's really nothing
else going on.
But, alex, I know we've talkedon your podcast, but we you
haven't been on and I don'tthink he's called it your season
so far.
So how's it going for you?
I know you killed a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
I want to know in a pa on the second, and, uh, I
actually just went there for tocheck a camera and for an
observation sit and I was goingthrough my camera it was an sd
cam and I brought my laptop towork that day, so I threw my
laptop in my pack.
I'm going through the photosand it's like there's nothing
really good.
And there was one deer on therethat I had last year.

(01:14:20):
He was a six point.
He was big, he's an older deer,for sure.
I'm thinking five and a half,six years old.
And uh, this, I'm like I'm goingto sit down, went into this
scrape and I was set up in aCreek.
Basically, there was like atree coming out of the Creek on
like the bank and like five.
I don't know what time it wasprobably 30 minutes before last

(01:14:42):
light.
I look behind me and there heis and I I never range a deer
right with a range finder and Ifinally got to pull it off and
range him and it was 35 yardsand I'm glad I did, because I
thought he was at like 50 yards.
So I'm like, oh, I'm nailingthem.
And I had one shot windowbefore he came through another
thicket and I just put one rightthrough him, right through the

(01:15:05):
lungs, man, he.
He ran 10 yards and dropped itwas.
Couldn't have been any moreperfect, but it's nice, though I
usually, like Mikey said, it'slike a grind all season right.
It's like man hunt, hunt.
It's nice taking a little bitof break.
I've been taking a break on thedough too, just kind of

(01:15:25):
relaxing, and it's it's nice.
But ohio's been kicking my buttman poison, sumac or something
all over my arms.

Speaker 5 (01:15:34):
it's, it's dude I've gotten poison ivy like crazy
this year.
Every tree has poison like haspoison.
It's wild, like all the goodtrees that I want to get into
have poison ivy in it and it'slike, do I risk it?
Like, and sometimes I'm likeI'm so tired of just looking for
a tree that doesn't have itwhere I'll just like I'm just

(01:15:54):
going to get up real quick andjust pray that I don't, that I
don't get it, um, you know.
But, but I will say it's such agrind and I was just on the
phone with Justin um before werolled in and you know he was
like like I'm so happy but I'malso sad too because, like the
cat and mouse game, like it'sover, you know, and if you're
someone who and you know, ifyou're someone who's not going

(01:16:16):
to another state or somethinglike that, it's like it's nice
you miss it and I like a hundredpercent, like I'm so happy I'm
tagged out.
But I love chasing deer, like itis figuring out deer and even
just when you set up in a newspot and you see that first deer
and it's like that's my firstwin, right there, like yeah,

(01:16:39):
this is success.
And it's like it's such anadrenaline rush that like when
you kill, you're yeah, you'rehappy as shit.
And then when you slow down andyou take your break and it's
like I'm bored, yeah, like whatdo I do now?
Like you see, everyone else isstill out hunting.
Or you have all my trailcameras out.
I'm getting pictures of deerand I'm just like I'm freaking

(01:17:03):
out this deer until January 1stwe still got gun season that's
coming.
Who knows if he's even going tosurvive.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
It's like that's why I went straight to Ohio I'm
going to sit for a little bit,take a couple weeks off and just
I've been doing a lot of groundhunting for the farm we have.
Where there's dough, he's gotlike, oh it's overpopulated of
dough and um, I, just I, I enjoyit so much of sitting in the
corn waiting for a doe to comeby and try shooting it.

(01:17:30):
Then it's crazy when you have10 eyes on you and you're
sitting, you're sitting on theground and it looks so easy, but
it's so hard when there's totry that there is a font.
There were deer 10 yards behind.
You can hear them munching oncut corn and you're just like
you're trying to make a shot butyou can't.

Speaker 5 (01:17:49):
Yeah yeah, no, I think the the ground game is
gonna like.
I think it when I get back hometo jersey especially like if I
can't go out for delaware orwhatever the case is like I
think I'm gonna go to one of myog spots and just do something I
haven't done in a while, gospot and stalker or do something
like do something I miss.

(01:18:11):
I miss spot and stalking.
You know, I hear the plan wasthe game plan in delaware was to
get all my saddle stuff and goscout and go see what I can find
.
And if I decide to get in atree, get in a tree.
If I decided to stay on theground, stay on the ground.
Because yet again I'm goingwith minimal intel.
I haven't been here since secondweek of september.

(01:18:33):
Yeah, so much change in thesewoods and this is my first year
being here, hunting pressure Ithink they already had a gun
season already rolling here andeverything like that.
So what does that do to thedeer?
So now I can't be this.
Oh, I'm going to set up here orwhatever.
I only got limited time here, Idon't live here, so you have to

(01:18:54):
really just go out and get it.
And that's why today I wasdriving around like a maniac
trying to get to all these damnspots to go get a scout and try
to, you know, see what I can do,and like that was a plan.
But you know, things happen.
And I told me I go, at least atleast I tagged out in Jersey.
We're now like gosh forbid,knock on wood.
Least at least I tagged out injersey, where now like gosh

(01:19:17):
forbid, knock on wood, like Idrop a shit ton of money
tomorrow on this damn truck like.
I feel like now I'll be huntingfor a while, so I'll just be
working.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
I feel like spot and stalking now is like during this
time frame.
I don't know if you guys call alot.
I'm big in the calling duringthis yeah, I call a lot.
Yeah, me too.
If you can glass like wherepotential betting is, slowly
walk, do a couple grunts, wait30 minutes, see if something
comes out curious.
You know, it's just easier toget them out now versus

(01:19:44):
september.
You want to?

Speaker 5 (01:19:45):
hear something crazy that I do.
And I started doing this lastyear because I mean, yet again,
I'm a huge hunting public fanand I just love what they do,
especially when they're on theground.
But I love hunting up in a treeso much and it's a very, very
risky move.
I actually get down and I'llrattle.
But I'll do everything make itas realistic as possible.

(01:20:10):
Slapping leaves around, youknow, branches around.
I'm making it actually try toseem like a big butt.
Big butt, the big buck isthey're fighting.
And then I get right back upand yes, of course, I mean if
there's a deer right there, Imean I'm kind of screwed.
But I'm at this point like it'sall about taking the risk, but
it's also about trying newthings and having fun with it.

(01:20:33):
Listen, sometimes sitting in agoddamn tree for all hours of
the day.
Sometimes it's also abouttrying new things and having fun
with it.
Listen, sometimes sitting in agoddamn tree all hours of the
day, sometimes it's the mostboring thing that you're
possibly going to go through.
So you got to change it up.
You got to have some fun and bedifferent from everybody else,
because no one else I guaranteeyou, most people are not going
to do that.
Yeah, so just try somethingdifferent.

(01:20:54):
That's what I'm trying to do,you know, and it, like I said,
it is fun because then when youget back on the ground it's like
, oh, feels good, stretch mylegs, like you know, let me, let
me have some fun, let me workup a sweat real quick and, you
know, make myself look a crazyass person in the woods.
If someone was videoing methey'd be like what, what the
hell is this guy doing?

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
it's, it's.
It's crazy how much more likeyou can get away with, too, on
the ground.
I feel like sometimes, like I,on the opening day, the buck
came down, I I saw it and itstarted running away from me and
it was cut corn but it was likehand-picked and I'm like, screw
this, I'm going after this deerand I crawled after it and was
following it for 30 minutes andit never knew I was there and

(01:21:37):
like before I would have beenlike no, that's stupid, I don't
want to do that, I don't want toscare it away, but I got away
with a lot more than I thought Iwould that's cool yeah, no, I
it's, and that's a cool thing.

Speaker 5 (01:21:50):
Like you got to try new things and I'm stubborn as
hell, like I just love being upin a tree, like I said.
But oh yeah, you also have to.
You have to get out of yourcomfort zone because you know
what all these different methodsof hunting, they work and
sometimes you're just not goingto get it done in a tree.

(01:22:11):
You know, you, especially ifyou're chasing, if you're,
you're chasing a big buck, aspecific buck, and you know, or
say even a bear, like you had toget creative of what you did.
And when you, when you got itdone, is when you kind of like,
hmm, look at how small thatswamp is, why the hell would he
be over there?

(01:22:31):
But then then it makes so muchsense and deer do the same thing
.
Like I've found so many bigbucks that love to be close to
houses, oh yeah, that love to beon those really small pieces
where it's like most people aregoing to think drive past.
I'm like, ah, there's nothingin there, there's nothing big in
there, but literally I knowit's the biggest bear that you

(01:22:52):
know in New Jersey or thebiggest deer, like wherever
you're going to be, and you justhave to.
You have to be comfortable withalso maybe even failing too.
If it doesn't work, it doesn'twork.
Yeah, but that's life, likeshit happens.
You know some things are goingto work, some things are not
going to work.
Just go out and do it, try it,and you know when it does work.

(01:23:16):
Yes, you may have caught on toa new, a new thing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
Yeah, change it up a little bit.
Yeah, definitely Gets you doingnew things.

Speaker 5 (01:23:30):
Boys, we, we, you know I I do want to.
You know, usually for ourtwo-line episode, we'll, we'll,
we'll go over some things.
You know I'll go over the topfive most downloaded ever.
For all you guys out therecurious, we actually have a new
King of of what is there andit's actually probably one of my
favorite episodes that I'veactually ever done.

(01:23:50):
And of course, it features Kyle.
Whoever doesn't know who kyle is, this guy is a turkey killing
savage um and he, he like turkeyhunting is his thing and I was
hoping he can get on tonight,but he's with the kids.
But um, and he kills some bigdeer too, but he is a turkey

(01:24:11):
hunting menace.
But 90 it's number one mostdownloaded episode is 99
Problems, but a Buck Ain't One,and I cannot remember how we
came up with that name.
I think both him and I liketagged out or something like
that.
I don't know where that namecame from and I think a lot of
people click on that justbecause of the damn name.
It is definitely a catchy one.

(01:24:35):
Number two most downloadedepisode would be our original
episode with gerard from fromracketter.
Our number three episode isactually another favorite of
mine.
Um is from main outdoorproductions and that that was a
great one.
That was the first time I evertalked to them and everything
like that, and being a a guy whogrew up in the summer in mean

(01:24:57):
and everything like that, meanholds a special place in in my
heart.
So, um, that was a a great oneto to do.
Um, number four would, uh, andmerrick and mike I.
I can't wait to tell him thisone because he's gonna say, of
course, this is this.
Is it because people are nosyas hell, but it's his, it's his
breaking news episode that thatwe did with him when he

(01:25:19):
unfortunately lost his licensefor for hunting because of a
complete mistake.
Everything was done correctly,you know, except for maybe one
thing that he didn't know thathe had to do.
You know, except for maybe onething that he didn't know that
he had to do and we've talkedabout it a lot on here is New
Jersey.

(01:25:39):
You have to do it online andthen also fill it out, fill it
out on the green piece of paper,and then now also you have to
do the transportation tag, thattransportation tag, and then
keep a log too.
So you have to keep a log ofall yeah.
Technically, I think they'regetting rid of it next year
because they had too manycomplaints.
But technically, you'resupposed to keep a log of all

(01:26:01):
your kills throughout the yearand the reasoning from what I
heard um is because if, um theinternet goes down in in the um,
in a warden's car or somethinglike that, at least they, you
know you could show that youhave.
This is what you've killed andeverything like that.
I don't know how true that is,that's just something that I've

(01:26:22):
heard, but I did hear.
Hopefully in 2025 they aregoing to be getting rid of it
because it just was not a.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
That's not in the digest.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
If it ain't in the digest it ain't no roll.

Speaker 5 (01:26:34):
I know it was in the role I know it was in the digest
last year.
I don't know who's in digest,yeah, it was.
I know for fact it was.
It was in the digest last year.
I don't know if it's in therethis year, but I remember even
seeing your your harvest card inthere and you had to copy it.

(01:26:55):
Um, yeah, I remember that andif american mike was he, he
would 100 tell you like yeah, hegot, he got.
Um, wow, he got dinged up forfor that a couple years.
Yeah and he even said it he goes, you know, because he asked the
warden once.
He he called the warden and orwarden was there and he goes hey

(01:27:16):
, yeah, you know, just fill it,just do it online and then
you're good to go.
So he went from his wholeentire hunting career.
He filled it out online butdidn't know he had to fill it
out on the green card.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
Real quick.
That's one thing.
Like reading the digest, likethe hunter digest, that's like,
even if it's a couple changeswest virginia, I still don't
understand but that's like Ifeel like every hunter should do
the respective at least, atleast skimming through it, like
read, reading, because thoselittle rules will they can bite

(01:27:52):
you in the butt.
And I try to emphasize toeveryone, like just read through
it, because there's laws inthere.
I'm pretty sure in the padigest it still says you can't
use like cellular or radios tonotify hunters around the or a
deer or something is coming in.
You know what I mean really,yeah, and like, and I don't care

(01:28:12):
what people do, I, I mean Ijust laugh at it.
It's like an inside joke for me.
But like you're always supposedto tag a deer in the ear in
Pennsylvania, every time I see aPA person tag a deer in the
antler, it's just like one ofthose things that stick out.
I'm like I'll be tagged itwrong.
I don't give a crap at all.

Speaker 5 (01:28:30):
It is the little things that what sucks it's the
little things that like, andthis is what I said, and you
know I don't want to get toomuch into this, but I always
tell and I go it sucks becausethat makes people not want to
hunt.
It really does.
It's going to make new peoplenot want to get into it.

(01:28:51):
At the end of the day, if I getpulled over for an infraction,
right, I'm getting a ticket, butI'm not losing my license.
And in New Jersey it's it istwo strikes and then you lose
your license.
I don't know what it is like inPierre or whatever that, but if
you get, it's not only, youalso lose your license through

(01:29:16):
the whole entire country.
Yeah, the only thing you'reallowed to do, I think, is hunt
hogs and saltwater fish.
You can't do any freshwater, orno, or no.
Uh, what's based hunting?
You can only think onlyendangered ant species or or not
endangered species, but um, youknow, um, I'm getting right now
invasive species, thank you,and like saltwater fishing.
So it's a, it's a thing where Iwould like them to start

(01:29:37):
focusing on, like I don't wantto be in the same situation as a
poacher because, like I said,if I make a small tiny mistake,
because you literally need alawyer to go through the digest
to understand it correctly.
Then how do you expect peoplenot to make a mistake?
Because it is, it is confusing,and it seems like it's

(01:29:59):
confusing every state that yougo into.
Yeah, and that just makespeople walk on eggshells and
then when they get in trouble,it's like well, then it causes a
bigger, an even bigger problem.
Now you're punishing someoneand they can't hunt for two
years, where you're taking moneyfrom the state as well.
You, you know, you look at newjersey.
I mean, look at how much youdon't hunt for two years.

(01:30:21):
How much money do you thinkyou're actually saving so much,
so much that you would that.
You and you know you got peoplewho you know like I could speak
on american mike big bearhunter, you know what I mean and
he couldn't hunt bears, youknow, two years ago, and he's
done such a great job gettingpeople into the outdoors of

(01:30:41):
different ethnicities andeverything like that, so you're
taken away from from that as aswell, where that's not, that's
not the best look.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
Yeah, and, like you said, one thing can make you the
media or make you look like apoacher, right?
So this guy I hunt in thispublic land in Ohio and I asked
if I can park in his drivewayand I'm like here's a permission
slip, I just need you to sign.
He's like, oh, it's my privateland, I don't need to sign
anything.
Really good guy.
And I'm like no, just, can youplease just sign this?

(01:31:11):
He's like what's it for?
And I'm like listen, If I shootthe world record buck right now
and I don't have a permissionslip, I'm gonna be a poacher.
You know what I mean?
Because I don't have thatwritten permission Stating I can
access your property or throughyour property.
So he signed it.
But, um, I told him I'm likeI'm like what if I shoot a world
record buck in here?

(01:31:32):
Like I just, please, can youjust sign this?

Speaker 5 (01:31:34):
and he's like it's my property, yeah but and which is
true too it's like, if this ismy property, I don't, I don't
need to do it, but then it putsyou in a very awkward situation.
Yeah, what if?
What would it?
You know there's so much, uh,so much unknown into to what we
do.
Um, and then one of the the theother episodes, that's one of

(01:31:58):
our, our top number five isactually, uh, our uncle larry,
the outdoor episode.
So if anyone who doesn't knowwho uncle larry's are, there are
these.
They grew up in my town and wewent to school together and they
are the biggest fishermen andthey, straight up I know johnny
quit his job in new york cityand they all moved to florida to

(01:32:20):
fish and I think now theyexploded.
Where they're at?
Um, I think they're at like 53000 followers on on instagram
and a lot of you might know themfrom a certain video where I
think johnny catches a fish andthen kai, there, you know I'll,
he's in the background and hecatches this giant bass and he

(01:32:42):
starts absolutely freaking out.
I know it's gone through socialmedia and everything like that.
I'll send it to you guys when I, when I get a chance, but that
video went viral and was justlike one of the coolest things
ever.
And you know, they, this wasthem before they, I mean, I
think when they were on, theyhad this was back in 2021.
They, they had maybe I don'tknow 2 000 followers and now

(01:33:07):
they're at 50, like 52,000followers, and they are such
they're.
They're great guys.
I mean I, I absolutely lovethem.
I, I they keep telling me to godown from Bianca and I to go
down and everything like that.
We've just been busy, but Ican't wait to go visit them down
in Florida and hang out withthem and go alligator hunting.
I told them I'm going down andgoing alligator hunting like

(01:33:27):
that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:27):
That's what.
I do alligator hunting.

Speaker 6 (01:33:28):
I told them I'm going down, I'm going alligator
hunting Like that.

Speaker 5 (01:33:30):
That's what I want to do, that's what I, that's what
I've been waiting to do, um, sothat's, that's definitely a plan
, um, for me.
But, um, you know, I guess wesoon we could, we could start
wrapping up because getting along episode.
But you know one thing Idefinitely like I want to thank
everyone, um who's listened toour podcast, who supported us

(01:33:53):
through the last four years.
Of this, 200 episodes, I meanthat's a milestone, that I went
from not having no idea I wasever going to start a podcast to
doing it.
And then all the guests and andthe, the friendships that that
I've made through that, thatthat definitely makes it the,
the most and and the best partthat I, that I love about it

(01:34:15):
getting talked to new huntersand now the same guys over and
over again.
And you know constantly, nowyou know alex has a podcast and
you know frank frank's joinedthe team and everything like
that.
And you know, now, now we, nowwe got you, you know you, you
know you're, you're, you're,you're at the top of the hunting
world for for New Jersey rightnow, I mean, and it is, it's,

(01:34:39):
it's an amazing story of justlike I never, me personally, I
never thought like this is, thisis where we're going to go.
Like you know and it does meana lot to me A lot of hard work
has been put into this.
Now, at this point and listen,we're going to keep on
continuing.
We're going to keep on going.

(01:35:00):
You know, we're probably goingto have some big things coming
continue.
We are going to be doing agiveaway with, with this, our
200 episode, and it's going tobe a lot of different things
that I'll be announcing soon.
I can definitely say we we dohave a summer release being
given away.
We do have iron.

(01:35:21):
Will broadheads get?
I think we have like threedifferent broadheads being being
given away.
I imagine we'll be probablygiving away a ghillie puck.
We'll probably do a racket orgive away.
This is.
This is going to be a be a bigone.
We're also reaching almost at 4000 followers on instagram, too
as well, so it's probably goingto go coincide with with each

(01:35:41):
other and everything like that.
Um, but yeah, I like I saidthank you, thank you everyone, I
mean it.
It does mean the mean the worldto me and I wish, uh, we could
keep going hours and I couldtalk hours and hours about
hunting.
Um, you know, um, so it it's.
It's the best time of the year,too, and that that's what's

(01:36:02):
best.
Like I'm so happy that 200episodes came at at this point
of the year and then I, freaking, killed a deer to a buck to two
days ago, like it's all perfectright, what?
What are the uh?
what are, what are the chancesyou know at that.
So, um, you know we, we're in agood place, everyone's in a
good place and, um, yeah,congrats, really excited, thank

(01:36:24):
you, thank you.
And we'll be bringing trivianight back, don't, don't worry.
Trivia night everyone who'sbeen wondering it will be back.
It will be back in the offseason.
I just do not have the time toget it done right now.
The round table segment thatwe'll be back to as well,
probably once the season's over,and everything like that.
So we're we're looking forwardto that.

(01:36:44):
We're looking forward to ourevents.
Be the lookout for our gamedinner.
We're looking forward to ourevents.
Be the lookout for our gamedinner.
We're going to be doing that asusual.
And, of course, sometime in thesummer, we'll be doing our
archery shoot.
We should be at the EmpireState Show this year as well.

(01:37:06):
And then, of course, bianca andI, and whoever else is going to
be tagging along with us we'regoing to be at the great
american outdoor show, as usual.
Um, we'll be there, um,probably for a couple days,
because bianca likes to spendmore time there than I do.
Um, she's obsessed with thatplace, obsessed.
This has become like our, ourritual where she'll even tell me
like, hey, what are the dates?
Like she's on it more than I am, I'm more of just like yeah,

(01:37:28):
we'll.
You know we'll go.
We'll go, don't worry, andshe's like I.
More than I am, I'm more ofjust like we'll go, we'll go,
don't worry, and she's like Ineed to know.
Can we stay?
Can we stay longer?
And I was like girl, we'retrying to get married and buy a
house are you trying to kill mehere, like what's going on?
I don't have that type of money, but yeah, guys, any last words
.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
I know.
Just congrats to all you guysyeah, yeah, thanks, yeah, same
here.
If you guys actually one thing,if you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:37:55):
If you guys are ever in the area or you're in jersey
or whatever, you need anyone tofilm, let me know guys.
I dumped a ton.
That's the whole point of mytimber life thing.
We dumped a, we got somesponsors, we got some stuff and
I dumped, you know, 15 grandinto the the best hunting, the
best.
What do you?
Videography equipment you canbuy pretty much.
So we're putting out some.
We're going to hopefully putout some big stuff.
So if you need someone in thetree, give me a shout.
Man, I'll be filming for thenext six weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
You come to PA too.

Speaker 3 (01:38:19):
I'll come to PA if it's on the close end.

Speaker 5 (01:38:24):
Alex, are you going to be coming to Jersey for late
season?
I know you kicked around thatidea.
Yes, alex, are you going to?

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
be coming to Jersey for late season.
I know you kicked around thatidea.
Yes, if I get one in Ohio, thenyes, I will, and you can mark
my word.

Speaker 5 (01:38:36):
All right, just let me.
I mean, obviously I'll know ifyou kill one in Ohio, but, like
you know, we'll definitely talkabout it.
Yeah, I mean, I definitelylisten.
I self film like crazy.
I've been self filmingfilmingfor years now, but I am
definitely getting to the pointalso where I think I'm going to
need someone in the woods withme more often.

(01:38:58):
I'm actually honestly lookingto get like a, like an intern,
honestly, which is sounds crazy.
Yet again, I didn't think I'dbe at this point.
But just to run with everythingthat we're doing now, from just
the hunting content with thesocial media, with the podcasts
and constantly like I remember,alex, you asked me like how the

(01:39:20):
hell do you do it?
like you're we, we put out, Idon't know, I think yeah we'll
find out how many episodes thatwe put out this year, but I
think we're we'll be close tothat like 50 or put out this
year, but I think we'll be closeto that 50 or 60 mark this year
.
I'm pretty sure we're at onesomething to start the new year
and we kick out so many damnepisodes that it's insane.

(01:39:41):
And I'm so far behind too.
All the episodes we're supposedto be putting on YouTube now,
but once hunting season started,it's like nothing else matters.
You know the fact that I didn'tget a podcast out like I'll.
I'll get them out, but YouTube,like I don't.
I want to get the whole YouTubethere and everything like that
and all this out on YouTube.

(01:40:02):
But it'll come, it's just goingto become later.
So it's just a lot.
It's a grind Really.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
Question when is opening day in New Jersey
Typically?

Speaker 5 (01:40:12):
Like what we can second week, second week of
September, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:40:16):
Second week of September we were, we were at um
, we were Delaware the firstweek, I think the first two
weeks, cause I think September,I think for us Atlanta went a
little later.

Speaker 6 (01:40:29):
I know it was a second Saturday, but I think how
it worked is here.

Speaker 5 (01:40:34):
It started on a Monday.
Yeah, so it started on a Monday.
We were here Monday Tuesday inDelaware, went home, came back
that weekend because you guyswent for a bear in New York and
then we started the next year.
We're so we have a long season.
You can get most in new jerseyfrom second week of september to

(01:40:56):
the second week of february.
Okay, we have a very longseason.
Seven bucks, unlimited, doseunlimited, which is crazy, which
is which most of the state isunlimited.
Yeah, yeah, most to say.
And if it's not, it's like five.
You get like five per season,which is our seasons are.
We have a lot of seasons.
It's.

(01:41:16):
It's crazy how they do it.
I'm in delaware right now whereI'm still hunting and I I was
talking to justin I'm stillusing the same tag that I bought
from the beginning and I loveit.
It's from september to february2nd.
I buy the one tag.
I think I could kill two bucksand I think four does, and
that's perfect.
I wish New Jersey would justmove to that.

(01:41:38):
We don't need seven, two bucks,any weapon, perfect, there you
go, that's it.
You don't need seven goddamnbucks killed.
Who's killing?

Speaker 3 (01:41:50):
seven.
But there are guys that willcause they buy their tags.
They're like oh, I got to killa buck cause I got a tag.

Speaker 5 (01:41:55):
I'm like and that's that's.
That's the thing, like I, and Iget it whatever you do, and I I
am whatever.
But New Jersey same thing withthe bear yes, has a big, big
deer too.
Yeah, we're not io, we're not,you know ohio and stuff like
that.
But there are some monstersobviously.

(01:42:16):
Look at, you know, in summit,look at what's killed in summit.
Look at, you know, look atthese, these, these areas, that
there are big deer like I'veseen them, we've all seen them.
You know it's a different classin the midwest, but it's still
really big in new jersey hassuch a great potential of being
just this hidden gem, just likedelaware is, you know, and it's

(01:42:40):
just, it's never going to getthere and they'll probably never
get there because of just theydon't see it, as we all know
exactly, and that's a part, Ithink, what less than one
percent of people hunt in newjersey, right, what?
no, yeah, yeah, it's a crazylike it's.
Yeah, it's not even, yeah, Idon't even think it's like
actually one percent, I thinkit's less than one, it's less,

(01:43:02):
yeah, yeah, which is which iswild crazy.
And then you, I mean for you,alex, you're coming in what the
most densely populated huntingstate, I think it's like 13
hunters per square mile.
I could be low, I could be high,I don't know yeah, I think
you're, you guys are just likeand you guys are not that far
away from us.
You really you know people.

(01:43:23):
Yeah, come to jersey to hunt,so like.

Speaker 2 (01:43:26):
Hopefully they're right.
Man, it's like you gotta find apocket of private within public
to not see anybody.
Like you gotta like growing upI was always I hated seeing
other hunters grow.
Growing up going out with mydad, I hated it.
I'm like this is the worst.

Speaker 5 (01:43:43):
So now it's like I'm going in, like a little, I'm
going where no one's atsomewhere I'll be up in pa this
year with ethan, I think, at theend of november we're at just
for joes I, I can't remember Ido.
I have the tag at home, I'lllet you know.
Um, I think it's closer to usand our, our border and

(01:44:03):
I don't think it's anythingcrazy, but I want, I wanted to
do a pa hunt.
I was like, screw it, why not?
I got the rifle, might as well,might as well.
You know what I mean and I knowFrank, you're going to be out
this weekend to get it done,hopefully in New York.

Speaker 4 (01:44:18):
Yeah, opening day Saturday for rifles, so going up
to our property upstate sowe'll see what happens.
Good luck.

Speaker 5 (01:44:32):
Thank, happened, thank you, thank you, um, you
know a lot of good things, brian.
Any any more plans for you?
You're tagged out.
You know you got any plans oryou're just gonna kind of just
sit and relax, maybe catch up onsome work and some family life?
Are you still after?

Speaker 3 (01:44:41):
yeah, I'll be filming them almost every day we're out
we're gonna be chasing.
I got a whole crew guys thatare chasing bucks right now and
uh, I still got.
I got two good ones that theone I shot was pretty good, he
was pretty nice.
The 160 class deer for Jersey,that's pretty nice.
But we got a couple of betterones right now that are that

(01:45:02):
haven't been super patterned,but we might go after them
during buck week when we get anextra tag.
But we'll see.
But no, no, rest for the wearyif they will, but it's gonna be
all right.

Speaker 5 (01:45:11):
Do you bow hunt all?
Do you guys bow hunt all yearround?
Are you guys selling the guns,too, as well?

Speaker 3 (01:45:16):
so for deer it's pretty much all bow, uh.
But we're huge water foul guyslike we.
I compete with my dogs up anddown the coast and we we do a
lot of water foul, so it's gameon coming saturday.
We were out today scouting,checking, checking pockets,
looking for birds because we gotno water.
Right now it's a little roughin jersey.

Speaker 5 (01:45:31):
It's crazy, yeah, it is crazy, yeah we're I've turned
like I said I told you I turnedinto a big, big waterfowl guy
where it's like I'm now obsessedwith waterfowl.
I I think about it constantly.
Yeah, no, it's very addicting.
Um, that that's a grind.
It's, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's,it's, it's, it's interesting.
I mean I'm happy.

(01:45:52):
The reason why I startedhunting geese last year for the
first time because we're we'redoing ducks before it, obviously
hunting ducks and everythinglike that but the reason why I
never got to geese earlier,because it had that one limit,
you know, and you know theymoved it to three and my buddy
was like, dude, you got allright.
Now it's worth it.
Like let's, let's, let's go out.
And I had a ball, I loved it.

(01:46:15):
So, yeah, it was amazing, like I, late season is the best too,
because you get and that'susually, and that's usually when
we, you know, that's usually abig time point when we, uh, when
we're hunting and everythinglike that, um, because I'm deer
hunting the whole entire timeyeah, through um, but well, if
you ever need help with any ofthe waterfowl stuff, I got a
pretty, pretty extensive networkin jersey, pretty much all the

(01:46:36):
guides, pretty much all the dogguys.

Speaker 3 (01:46:38):
I'm pretty dialed in with that definitely, definitely
, definitely, um, alex.

Speaker 5 (01:46:44):
Well, I'll be.
I'll be on your show next weekthat's's right, then you'll be
looking forward to that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
You're the first third timer.

Speaker 5 (01:46:53):
Yeah, it's, it's.
Uh, I enjoy going on, like Ienjoy going on other podcasts at
this point, like I love doingours, but like I just love not
having to carry the conversation.
Like I love just sit with myfeet up whenever I do other
podcasts and I'm like, you know,it's nice, just like not having
to think of stuff, just nothave to worry about editing, not

(01:47:15):
having to worry about nothing.
I don't care, I am so relaxed,free.
I'm just like ah, this is, thisis nice, where you know when
you're recording, it's like yougot to make sure everything goes
right.
Yeah, boys, I mean I, it's likeyou got to make sure everything
goes right.

(01:47:35):
Yep, yeah, um, boys, I mean I,like I said, I want to
appreciate everyone coming on,everyone.
I hope you guys enjoyed thisepisode.
We are 200 episodes in.
I am absolutely thrilled.
I cannot wait to get to episode300.
Um, we'll probably be there inabout a year and a half.
It's gonna take some time, um,but uh, yeah, we're, we're

(01:47:58):
definitely looking forward tothat and you know I mean
thanksgiving's right around thecorner, christmas, new year, so
our new big new year's dayepisodes coming up and
So we got a lot of things onthe menu.
I'll keep you guys updated andeveryone on the podcast updated
about my truck.
Hopefully I didn't fuck it uptoo bad, um, you know, and

(01:48:20):
hopefully we'll be hearing fromeveryone again in the next week,
at least from from our team andand everything like that.
Hopefully we got some more hotstreak from Frank and Squash can
get his first one of the yearand everything like that too as
well, so we're really lookingforward to it.
Things are heating up, besttime of the year, sweet November

(01:48:43):
, and thank you guys for comingon and we'll see you guys next
time.

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