Family Bonds in Michigan W/ Brett Boven Whitetail Advantage

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Welcome back to the garden,state outdoors and Podcast

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presented by Boondocks Hunting.
I'm your host, mike Nitre.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'm Frank.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Masico, and today we have on the show Brett Boven
from Whitetail Advantage.
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Hey, thanks for having me on, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
It's about time we can finally get the schedules
lined up.
Yeah no, we were supposed to dothis before.
You know, things get crazy, you.
Adulting is not is not theeasiest thing in the world.
It's very time consuming, butit is absolutely a pleasure to
to finally fit you on and getyou in.
And you know, the cool thingtoo is I'll also be on your uh

(01:37):
show pretty, pretty shortly aswell, too, so looking forward
forward to that as well yeah, Ithink.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Uh, july 29th, monday yeah, yeah, yeah, and looking
forward to that man, I gotandrew coming on the show
tuesday, so he's been jacked forthat show as well yeah, yeah,
yeah, andrew, yeah, some of thatwe've.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
You know we've done a lot of hunting with and stuff
and stuff like that great, greatguy you know knows his, knows
his stuff.
So I'm looking forward tolistening to that one.
But, um brett, why don't youreal quick run us a a quick
backstory on on everything aboutyourself?

Speaker 3 (02:11):
give the listeners out there a little bit about
yourself oh man, first off Igotta say thanks for letting me
come on your show again.
My guys, I really appreciate itand do it.
It's a little weird being theone asked all the questions now,
because I have my own showbeing all right now.
I kind of get to sit back,relax and stuff like that that's
exactly what I always say whenI'm on somebody.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
I'm like it's so nice just not having to come up with
things to say and just be like,okay, like they're gonna ask me
the questions, let me just kickmy feet up and you know,
actually not have to be a host,right, anyway?

Speaker 3 (02:47):
but yeah, my name is brett bovin.
Um, I've been hunting.
This is going to be my believe,my 18th year hunting.
I'm going into, uh run my ownshow called white tail.
Advantage grew up here in thestate of michigan my entire life
, born and bred here.
Uh, got my match, bachelor'sdegree from western michigan
university in criminal justiceand minor in sociology.

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I was a cop for seven years.
Uh, unfortunately I had to givethat up due to some things that
I've personally went through.
Being a cop these days kind ofa tough thing to go through, so
still battling those demons, butI got hunting to look forward
to each and every year.
I got two kids.
Now I got my daughter that'sgoing to be she'll be four

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november.
My son just turned one lastapril I mean a couple months ago
and got a beautiful wife I'vebeen married to for five years,
I believe I think we're going onyear five in october or year
six.
So I'm not going to show herthis episode because I always
learn a little higher exactlythat is.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
That's good advice.
I'm gonna need to take thatdown when, uh, once I get
married, I'm gonna have to startusing that one.
Um brett, so you know, being amichigan guy, what was it like
growing up in Michigan, as youknow, in the outdoors and
everything like that.
You always hear about Michiganand I think what it has, I think

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, is the first or second maybebehind PA, with like the most
hunters or something like that.
So I know it's a.
It's a pretty big hunting andfishing state, like it's just
all around outdoors and state.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah we were number one for most hunters per square
mile for a long time and thenrecently I think two years ago,
I think pennsylvania officiallytook that over and hunting in
the state of michigan.
I hunt on private land.
I don't.
I don't go on public, so I havethe opportunity to hunt on
private land, so I'm verygrateful for that.
But go on public, so I have theopportunity to hunt on private

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land.
So I'm very grateful for that.
But it's just very pressuredhere and no matter where you go,
it seems like you can turn yourhead and you're going to see
another hunter and I stronglyfeel like I mean you hear it
everywhere, but I feel likeMichigan kind of created a where
it's Browns down and you gotdeer like let's talk about bucks
for a second.
Uh, you see a two-year-old buckacting like an eight-year-old

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buck.
The deer here.
They're very smart for theyoung age that they are, because
they have to not just battlethe elements of weather and and
food and stuff like that, butalso have to deal with predators
, so coyotes at a young age.
And then you have hunters ontop of it.
So people nowadays it justseems like they're just going to

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shoot whatever they want, andit's very tough to see you get a
deer to a certain age, if wewant to talk about that.
But hunting in the state ofmichigan, especially when it
comes to our regulations, it'svery.
They don't care what we have tosay as hunters.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Basically, if I'll put it that way, now I, I, I
think I understand that it's.
It's kind of the same thinghere, I would say, in new jersey
, obviously not on the same typeof level, because I think what
I think this was a question inour, in our um, in our game
night, um, I think only onepercent of new jersey, like

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hunts or something like that, um, yeah, so yeah, so it's it's
completely different from fromwhat you guys are dealing with.
But you know what I woulddefinitely love to talk more
about.
You know the growth of yourbucks, because you always hear
that it's always just so lowbecause if it's brown, it's down
.
I feel like when you have thatmany hunters like michigan npa,

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you get that a lot.
Now there could definitely bebig bucks and I I don't.
You know that's what we're notsaying.
But majority, you know, and Ithink this is a pretty known
statistic of the bucks taken in,both of those states are
usually on the smaller side yeah, michigan.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Actually I pulled it up because I was curious myself.
Last year, two thousand sevenand four 274,055 deer were taken
last year.
That's 29,000 less than whatwas taken in 2022.
So our numbers are down and ourour hunting seasons are.

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Our numbers are going down andthe population is going down.
When I talk about hunters tryingto get out in the field, the
problem is the people that arestill out there going out
hunting.
They're shooting whatever theycan and they don't care about
antler size, and I'm not sayingthat's a bad thing because most
people out here in michigan theyjust want to get meat in the

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freezer.
That's basically all it ismichigan.
We don't.
It's very weird when I when Isay weird, I mean the up.
It's very scarce.
You're not going to see a lotof deer get up to like a 145
class because it's just there'snot a lot of food up there.
When I talk about food, I'mtalking about like crops, stuff

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like that.
The northern part of michiganit's very pine driven, so
they're eating a lot of berries.
When you move down to thesouthern part of michigan, you
got more opportunity to seethose giant deer.
However, you just don't seethem get to that size only
because they're shooting them atsuch a young age yeah, I mean

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that makes you know absolutelycomplete sense, but it we're
also where.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Are you worried about that drop off in in numbers,
like you know, I think, everyonein general.
You look at around the wholeentire state, there's usually a
big drop off, but you know, doeshow much does that contribute
to?
You know?
Maybe you know the weather, thelack of resources, you know the
lack of people having the timeor the money to get out, to get

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out, and maybe also the chancesof you know just the buck
numbers just not being there,you know, or the the age class
being there, so some people justlike, ah, like we're not going
to go hunt michigan I think thebig reason like I'm are you
asking, like if I'm concernedabout it?
yeah, you know what I I wouldlike asking, like if I'm
concerned about it.
Yeah, you know what I wouldlike to know if you're concerned
about it.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, I'm concerned mainly the fact of they, the
state of michigan, they'retrying to do all these things to
get new hunters out in thefield, and I get that, but I
feel like they're doing it inthe wrong way.
For instance, I think they needto put more archery, school
sports, whatever into schoolsand let more of it be of more of

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a known thing.
But I also see the problem of Isay, all the time on my show
you get kids these days.
They're so focused on videogames and Tik TOK and these all
this crap and they don't want togo out in the field.
But then when they see thesethese videos they'll might see a
guy shoot a 180 inch deer andit's like, oh great, then I'm

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gonna go out hunting and I don'tsee a deer for a whole fucking
two weeks or whatever.
Then they get bummed and thenthey're done.
Or they're gonna shoot, uh,let's say, like a 120 buck, but
then they don't see one nextyear and they get disappointed
and then they're just donehunting.
I think the generation ofparents out there now they're

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not getting their own kidsinvolved outside, so I think
it's a very big problem.
Am I concerned?
Yes, because I think, like Isaid, parents aren't teaching
their kids to get outside and Ithink we really need to attack
that level as well, and I thinkwe have an older generation
that's phasing out of huntingand they just don't want to do
it anymore, and it's now onbasically my generation, because

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now I'm 30 years old, I got twoof my own kids and people that
are in my age frame of 30 to 45whatever, and they got kids and
there's not getting them outsideanymore yeah, I love that
that's what you said, becauseyou know what it's.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
I see it all the time at work.
I see it all the time with alot of the kids we talk about
all the time I work with kids.
So, you know, everyone justmuch rather being being home,
you know, and I think part ofthe problem is everyone wants it
easy I always tell new huntersum, and I'm very fortunate of

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how I got into.
You know how, what I wentthrough while hunting, because
it was not easy, it's, it wasthe toughest thing, but it was
fun and I enjoyed it and it mademe appreciate when I was
successful, and you know what?
That's why I can go and have abad year where you know what

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Shoulder shot a doe.
You know I played a cat andmouse game with the buck.
That, you know, just was onestep ahead of me.
You know all these differentsituations where I think, if I
wasn't prepared for it and Ididn't go through what I already
had went to and wasn't raisedthe way it was and everything

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like that, like you would justquit.
Quitting is just so much easier.
And I think quitting now on theyounger generation, that's what
.
That's kind of what and I'm notsaying it's always the parents
fault, because that's what kindof what I feel like they're
being taught in school nowadaystoo.
Um, yeah, you know it's okay toquit, it's okay to give up, and

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just where you can't give up oneverything, and you know
hunting, is that not the onething?
But hunting is like you can'tgive up on hunting.
You have to keep going becauseas much as you see on tv and
youtube and everything like that, these people shoot these,
these giant deer.
What you're not really seeingis you know the hard work
usually going into it, you knowthe long sits, um, and then you

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know you look at like thehunting public.
That's that's the one thing Ilove about the hunting public,
because they show all that.
They show all their misses, alltheir failures.
You know they just hunt.
Now, easier said than done, butyou know, yeah, it's, it's a
tough situation.
I think our, our country's in.

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But you're right, you have toget them out there.
You have to start like anarchery class would be excellent
.
I would recommend that for forhere.
I would.
I would love for that to happen.
Just get people in the outdoors.
Look at how good the outdoorsis.
Just not even talking abouthunting.
Just being in the outdoors isgood for for us humans.
We're supposed to be in theoutdoors.

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We're not supposed to be insidewith lights and in front of a
tv screen all damn day.
You know we're supposed to beoutside running around getting
muddy, getting dirty, you know,just just having fun yeah, I
agree yeah I, I agree I think Iwas raised in a competitive
lifestyle because I, my dad, wasa cop for 30 plus years.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
My grandpa, he, was in the air force.
He's a mechanic in the airforce.
Um, I married into a militaryfamily my, my brother-in-law he
was a Marine.
My father-in-law that's nowpassed.
He, he was a Marine.
And I grew up in the sportsworld.
So I played quarterback for myfootball team and baseball and
basketball and track and Ialways remember my dad telling
me like you can't quit, you gotto see it through and no matter

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how bad it was, you just had tolearn from and move on.
And hunting I apply my sports tohunting because you're going to
have times where hunting isjust it sucks, it's down and
dirty.
You're going to have timeswhere hunting is just it sucks,
it's down and dirty.
You're going to, you're goingto miss and it's going to happen
.
And for people to say, well,I've never missed a deer.
Well, you either never have ashot that many deer or you're

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just not, I don't know, butthat's the reality of it all.
You're going to miss and likethere was one time, one year I
went a full year I didn't seeone fucking deer and I've missed
deer tons of times shot deerand I can never find them, and
I've used those more as not tolike, put myself down, but I was

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like this sucks, I don't wantit to ever happen again.
I use it more as a motivator tolike.
I got to do better and that'show I picked up.
My game was like I.
I hated those years.
Those were my young years ofhunting and now I'm at a
fortunate enough where I'm atnow, where I've gained a lot of
knowledge.
I've read a lot of books, I'velistened to a lot of podcasts
and youtube and you just yougotta continue be bettering

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yourself in any way possibleyeah, no, um, it's funny how you
look at it differently whenyou're an athlete, and I think
that's always going to be thecase.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
I mean, I think most hunters, um, most people in the
outdoors, are pretty athletic,you know, and they play sports
and everything that.
But you know, mentally it'sjust puts you ahead of the game.
You know, and you know thereare some people out there who
who just hunt and they've never,you know, played sports or
anything that.
And you know what good for youI.

(15:52):
I sometimes I wish that couldhave been me.
I love hunting so much, but Iappreciate all the sports I play
.
And where it got me, where itgot me mentally, physically, um,
but being in in michigan, Imean those winters are not easy
and it's kind of like you lookat michigan, you look at
minnesota, you look at likemaine, um, you know some of

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those states where it's it'sjust difficult hunting and you,
you kind of you're not going togo into a hunt always seeing 50
or 60 deer.
You know, here in Jersey you dohave people that see that many
deer or you're at least seeingfive, six, seven, eight deer
hunt.
You know you would, could belucky enough to see one, just
depending how far, far up northyou are and everything like that

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.
I know you guys have the UP upthere and everything like that
up there and everything likethat.
So you know kind of talk aboutthat of.
You know the difficultiesduring those tough times of what
did it really contribute to?
Was it just tough hunting?
Was it the weather?
Was it the, the inexperience?
Um, what?
What really did it contributeto the that lack of of deer at

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at the beginning stages?

Speaker 3 (17:06):
I think it was just lack of knowledge and just
constantly overhunting a certainarea, and weather played a big
part of it.
I know, as of recently, though,a lot of beginning of October
it gets still very hot.
I mean heck, october 1st.
It's a tradition for me to huntall day, morning to night, and
I'm sweating my balls off.

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It's nine degrees and it sucks,and it kind of continues
through October most part, andthen winter.
It does suck.
It's very hard to hunt thesewinters because sometimes you're
not going to get a full winter,it's going to be heck.
Winter basically started at theend of January last year.
For this year, but I think atthe beginning of my hunting life

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, to not see the lack of deer isbecause, over pressuring,
hunting a certain spot where you, just I hunted the one spot,
all right, I don't know anythingelse, I'm going to hunt this
one spot that my dad told me tohunt, I'm gonna see deer, so I
got nothing else to go off ofand just do that a bunch of
times and you're gonnaeventually deer gonna figure

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everything out, and I think thatwas the biggest thing.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Reason, reason why yeah, um, and were you, were you
hunting in that that time frame?
Was it still private propertyor was that public at the time?

Speaker 3 (18:28):
I've only hunted the property the private property
that I've been hunting for my18th year now.
So it's been the same spot andI have that same.
I have a tree stand up in thatsame spot.
I've actually killed my, mybiggest deer out of that spot.
However, I'm not hunting it asmuch and I'm using it more of uh

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, close to the rut, middle ofthe rut, type of spot and I'm
not hunting it as much.
I'm moving spots around andI've talked to the other hunters
that hunt on the property.
We've actually come up with abetter game plan of how we're
gonna hunt as much, and so wekind of figured out a better
game plan once we figure out allwho's hunting out there and
who's hunting out there as muchand stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
So yeah is, if you can just figure out how much
time you're gonna spend in onetree stand, you can help
yourself out there yeah, no, I,I think that and I think that is
such an important thing,because yet again, when you're,
when you're first starting out,when you're and I think that is
such an important thing Causeyet again, when you're when
you're first starting out, whenyou're younger and everything
like that you're hunting thesame stand over and over and
over, like every time we talkabout I look back at it, it's

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like Jesus Christ, like I wouldnever do that now, like at a
million years.
I would not like the only way Iwould.
And I do that Like if I hunt aspot a bunch of times in a row,
I got to be having the perfectwind, like the wind has got to
be perfect, my accesses got tobe perfect, like if I didn't
bump a deer or blow deer out ofthere or something like that, if

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I was able to get in and outwithout being detected for the
most part.
I mean, obviously you're stillleaving some scent behind, but
you know that's going to give melike, all right, I'm gonna do
it.
But in those beginning times,man, I did not pay attention to
the wind, I did not care.
That was my one spot.
I thought if I go there everysingle day, at some point it's

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gonna happen and you're right,at some point it easily can.
You have no idea.
You know we're, you know we'rechasing the unknown.
You know there's so muchunknown of what we do and you
know you could go to Iran.
You can go to the same tree forthe 50th time during the season

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and you know what.
That one time it may work outand the biggest buck of your
life may, may show up.
But now that we've gotten older, you know one we don't have
nearly the same amount of timeto hunt like we, like everyone
did when we were younger andeverything like that.
So you got to really make yourtime count and you, you know,
bouncing around seeing what,what else you can do, and then

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saving those better spots toofor the time for crunch time is
is is a crucial situation.
And knowing also, like you said, when the other hunters are
going to be out there, everyonekind of getting on the same page
on on a property reallybenefits you guys in the long
run.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Right and I, I guess, when you're talking about
hunting apps, we've, if we wantto, but I'm, but I'm just going
to say it.
When I was young I didn't knowshit.
Basically, I just got off whatmy dad told me like you hunt
this stand, you're going to seethe deer, and that's what I went
off of.
I'm like all right, fine.
And then that when I wastalking about off air where I

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didn't see a deer at all, thenthat's when I was like all right
, I got to do somethingdifferent.
So I found started reading more, reading, more reading the
property, a lot more and doing alot more winter scouting.
And then I found out somedifferent spots.
Now that's where I'm putting mymore of my stands at, so I'm
going to have more variation ofhunting instead of just one spot

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and being married to it.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Basically, yeah, it's's.
It's that one thing.
What, what app are you usingright now, like currently?

Speaker 3 (22:11):
uh, this year I'm actually using a different one.
It's gonna be spartan forge.
I used to use um on x the lastcouple years and then when I
first started off it was huntwise um.
But yeah, now I'm using aspartan forge what?

Speaker 1 (22:25):
what's the reason for the switch?

Speaker 3 (22:28):
I like the, the customization really of it.
It's a lot more data driven,giving me more information that
I'm looking for.
Uh, I can do a lot more pastlooking of what the weather was
like in the past and stuff likethat.
It's not not telling me.
I mean it kind of does whereyou can give you a good

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prediction of what deer typemovement you're going to see.
I don't look at that.
I actually hate it the mostbecause I've ran into so many
situations where I look at himlike, all right, it's gave me a
5% chance of seeing a deer, allright, I'm not going to go
hunting.
And next thing I know my cellcamera's blowing up and got deer

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right in front of my stand andthen I've got in where it's like
95 and I'll go out there andhunt and I don't see shit, so I
really don't like the data.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
I don't like that one either and it's.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
I just don't like it because I like to go off my gut.
I like to see what's going onout in my own field.
Yeah, it's nice to see what theweather's like and it's giving
me that good percentage.
I get that.
But I know my deer on myproperty.
I know how they're driven.
I know what's going to happenthe most I know.
But you also have to rememberit doesn't take into account

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what the neighbors are going tobe doing.
They can be shooting guns offall randomly, a sudden scare.
Now they can scare a lot ofdeer away from their property.
Yours like oh it's great,awesome.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
So it doesn't take in a lot of outside of the facts,
it just takes weather that is ahundred percent like one of the
biggest things that I think alot of new people don't like.
Oh, you know, they don't thinkabout whether you're hunting
private or public it reallydoesn't matter, because there's
going to be things that aregoing to disrupt, you know, the

(24:12):
deer movement.
You're right, there could bepeople on the other property
that are shooting off guns, orit could be the person right
next to you could have shot oneof your target deer, you know,
or shot a bunch of.
You know they could have gottenall drunk and ran through the
woods or whatever.
The case is.
Like you, you just have youdon't know, and going off of.

(24:32):
I wasn't a big fan because Iwould see that some of my more
successful days were lowopportunity days.
I'm not saying I've had one ofmy best days was actually was on
a high probability day, but italso said, yes, there's a high
possibility, but it's alsoextremely windy, so, like we
don't, it might be a little toowindy and I'm like, well, you

(24:55):
know what, I'm gonna go outanyway and thank god I did.
You know, um, I love these apps.
I really do, and I've heardgreat things about, uh, spartan.
Um, you know, right now I'm on.
I'm on Onyx.
I've invested so much time inOnyx.
I have so many pins in Onyxthat I don't know if I can
switch, but I started with thewise app as as well.

(25:17):
Um, and I also used to usewhat's the other one.
There's one more.
Um all that, uh, huntstan, Ithink.
Yeah, hunt, other one.
There's one more, um, oh that,uh, hunt stand, I think, yeah,
hunt stand.
I tried that one as well.
I know a couple people thatprefer that one.
And whichever one you prefer,whichever one, they're all great
.
At this point, honestly, youknow each one has a different,

(25:37):
has some different features thatthe other ones don't have.
Um, I would probably say um,but for for the most part, like
any of those apps, you canreally get it done.
But mapping mapping has gottenkey.
I think that's something I'vebeen developing and trying to
get better at, as reading mapsand then going and be able to

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look at the map and picture itkind of like in my head of like
the ridges, the drop-offs, thebenches, fingers, everything
like that's something I want toget better at as a hunter.
And also um, vegetation, likeknowing exactly, kind of like
every plant and what their basisand what deer and everything
like that you use, um each youknow plant for and everything

(26:22):
like that and that's whatspartan forge has.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
It that's what Spartan Forge has.
That's the main reason why Iswitched to it, because I wanted
to become a better plant idea,or whatever you want to call it
or identify plants better, trees, better and I wanted to see
granted, I know all the ridgeson my property but, like I said,
I've been hunting for almost 20years on the same piece of
property, so I know whereeverything's at.
But I to see how the, theridges are at and it's nice to

(26:48):
see on spartan forge, where itdoesn't only give you the, the,
the top of map, but it alsogives you the gradient of, like,
the degree drop off and bycolor coordination of it, but it
also gives you plant id stufflike that of what's going to be
looking at for your in your area.
And that's one thing that I waslooking at the most and I
really fell in love with it.
And I think people might gettoo addicted to hunting apps and

(27:13):
, like I said, you see peoplelike all right, it's three
percent, so I'm not going to goout there and that's that's what
I mentioned, but at the end ofthe day, I think we get too
focused on all right, I'mreading'm reading the hunting
app Great, the weather's greatStuff like that, or it's bad.
At the end of the day, these arestill wild animals.
They're still wild deer.
You can predict all you want ofdeer coming from a certain area

(27:34):
, based off wind, but they'regoing to come from a different
direction.
You just never know.
With these deer, yeah, you canput yourself in the best
possible situation I'm notsaying that and do everything
you can, but at the end of theday, there's sometimes where
I'll go out there and say, fuckit, I don't care, I'm going out
hunting, I want to see deer, andsometimes I see more deer doing

(27:54):
that because I just don't carewhat the wind's like, and I've
seen deer come and I've seendeer literally come from, like
if I've had a west wind, I'vehad deer come directly into wind
coming right at me.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
You just never know, they sometimes just don't care.
I think and that's anotherthing like you could talk about
the wind and I, I, I'm a, I'm astrong believer in the wind if
it's in an area that really met,like you know, that doesn't
have much human scent.
You know, I think in the windif it's in an area that really
met, like you know, that doesn'thave much human scent.
You know, I think in themidwest it's definitely a little
more important.
I think definitely in the upit's going to be definitely more
important for you guys overthere.
Um, you know maine, thosestates, certain places in pa,

(28:36):
but you got to remember a lot ofthese areas.
Deer are so used to human scentand I always tell people that
they're like well, what if yougot a big buck here?
And it's like well, it depends,is there a hiking trail nearby?
Is it?
Are there?
Am I hunting behind a privateproperty, a private piece?
Are there, you know, constanthuman scent and people walking

(29:00):
around like what?
What are the factors?
Now, if I'm hunting a deer inthe delaware water gap, which is
basically, if you're going togo anywhere, to be the middle of
nowhere in new jersey.
That's where it's going to beand you're going to get lost,
you know.
Or the pine barrens down downin south jersey.
You are going to focus, I think, a little more on on the wind,

(29:20):
but they're gonna still surprisethe hell out of you.
You know when you could thinkyou have a deer pattern and you
know what next thing.
You know he's coming to rightbehind you and you did it.
You didn't set up for a shotright right behind him.
Expect the unexpected whenhunting any type of animal, from
deer to bears to coyotes.

(29:41):
You know you, we think that weknow them, but we really, we
really don't know them right and, for instance, this year.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
I'm actually gonna be trying something different out
for the next couple years goingforward too as well.
I'm actually putting ascarecrow up in my tree stand
with one of my old huntingt-shirts to get my scent okay,
yeah, yeah, I saw that, I sawyeah yeah, yeah, and that's
something, because the onlyreason I came up with the idea
was because my dad and I weretalking about it years ago.
Like that way they're not asskittish.

(30:11):
And then when I moved into myhouse, where I'm at now, and I
live in a neighborhood and I gotdeer right outside my fence and
I could stare at 10 of them andI could be doing jumping jacks
and they don't care.
So I was like, well, you knowwhat?
What if I did the same?
What if I did something on thefield, where they are used to an
object up in a tree and theyget somewhat of a scent up there

(30:33):
, but they get used to an objectup there.
Basically is what I wanted toget at.
And that way they're not asskittish.
When they all of a sudden,october 1st hits and they're
like what the fuck is that?
Oh, no, all.
Right.
First hits and they're likewhat the fuck is that?

Speaker 1 (30:46):
oh, no, all right, they're all skittish and they're
freaking out.
I agree, I, I think it's agreat idea, I think it's going
to.
I think it's a very uniquestudy, basically, like this is
kind of like a study, yeah, andI'm very interested to see what
you're going to find and I, tome it makes sense where it would
work.
Just because of that, likethey're so used to seeing that

(31:08):
standard with nothing in it, andat the end of the day, the
minute you put something thatthey're not used to, it's like
well, what the hell?
And they just, yeah, they knowyou're there and they're just
staring at you and they'reyou're, they're going down,
they're eating, but then they'restaring at you.
It's like fuck, I didn't evenmove like the wind is going,

(31:29):
like everything's perfect, youknow, and part of that is you
know that we, we figured out andyou know that we've been uh,
working with, with turkey seasonum, and we're pretty excited to
use during deer season too isour hex products.
Um, you know we're we'reworking with hex and you know
we're very interested in seeingwhat that is, because it

(31:51):
actually cuts down and minimizesyour, your elect what is it?
Again frank, you're like, yeah,we, we produce like kind of
like electricity.
I guess I can't remember the.
I'm not a science guy like that, I'm not not 100 percent sure,
but you know basically we'reproducing.
You know our bodies give us likesome type of electricity,

(32:12):
obviously.
You look at our heart, ourbrain, like everything like that
.
It does use, you know,electrons or whatever the hell
to function and everything likethat, and we actually give that
off.
And you know the mike, uh, thethe owner.
He said have you ever been in astand and everything's perfect,
and a deer just literally looksright at you.

(32:33):
He goes part of that is.
Is that reason?
Because they may not know that,they may not be able to see you
or everything's right, but theycan sense you.
Yeah, you know the.
These electrons are, areproducing, and it's producing
enough where it is, uh, they'reable to pick on it.
Pick up on it.
Now, birds, he said birds,definitely way more than than

(32:55):
deer and everything like that,but it's still the same thing,
like deer can can pick up on itas well.
So we're, that's what we'regoing to be throwing in there.
Um, but I do, I do like thatscarecrow idea.
There are probably some spotswhere I think I could do that at
.
I think I'd scare the shit outof some people on public land.
So I think it's really a goodidea to do that.

(33:19):
So we'll have to see, but I'mdefinitely interested to see
what you, what you, find on thatand it's something I want to do
for not just this year or thenext year.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
I want to do it for a couple years to see, to get
them used to it, not just theones that are out there now
mature age but the young ones.
I want to get them up to an ageof where they get used to it.
So I'm excited for it, I'mnervous, but I say all the time,
hunting is something that yougot to constantly be trying to
do something different and bewilling to get out of your

(33:52):
comfort zone and try somethingdifferent.
So this is one thing that I'vebeen going to be trying to do.
It's one of them.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Are you going to?
How often are you going tochange the shirt so you're sent
always stay like?
Are you going to change theshirt so your scent always stays
Like?
Are you going to go every time,bring an extra shirt, exchange
it Like what are?
Have you thought of that atthat point at all?

Speaker 3 (34:12):
I think it's every time because I like to go out.
Like I said, I'm not scaredgoing out in the woods and
getting my scent out there.
Like I said, I want deer to getused to my scent.
I think a lot of hunters theyget.
Well, I don't want to go out inthe field as much because I
don't want to scare the deeraway.
I get that logic of it.
But, like I said, my logic tothis is because I want to see, I
want to get them used to myscent and stuff like that, so I

(34:33):
don't want them to be asskittish when hunting season
comes around.
So generally I've been thinkingof changing the shirt every
time I go out, every like twoweeks of when I get cameras,
every time I go out every twoweeks of when I get cameras.
That's what I've been thinkingof.
Every time I'm out there I'mgetting my cameras and stuff
like that, the t-shirts changedout.

(34:54):
That's what I'm thinking of itso far yeah, I, I like that a
lot.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Um, you know, and that's another thing I like he
said, you know there's peoplethat, oh, you shouldn't get your
scent out there.
But you know, I have a buddy,um kyle.
He, he was going every everychance he got after work in his
sweaty clothes, like in his workclothes, and he was kind of
getting the deer used to that,because you know what sometimes

(35:21):
I think he said that, hey, if Iget out of work, I'm going
straight.
You know, if that's my timewhere I have to hunt, like I got
kids, like I gotta get outthere.
You know why don't, instead ofgetting not getting them used to
our scent and spooking them,let's get them used to the scent
where they're thinking you know, here we can bait, you know,
here we can we could do allthese different things.
I'm not sure if it's illegal inMichigan or not, but you know,

(35:46):
get them used to that.
Where they're associating thatwith you know, the bait or
whatever it is.
And then so when you just go inthere, boom, you have deer
coming in and not nervous, notskittish.
It's like, oh okay, this personwas here or this scent is here.
There must be food now out, letme, let's go see if there

(36:10):
there's, there's food out, orsomething like that.
So I, I think it, yet again, Ithink it depends really where
you're hunting, I think is goingto be the main factor if that's
going to work now, um, I thinkthe more you chance you get them
to get used to it, the betteroff you're going to be, and I
think that's with almost anyanimal.

(36:32):
Just the more you theyassociate things with, you know
safety or food or whatever, themore comfortable you can get
them.
And and yet again, you're right, you have to get them.
You have to take everyadvantage that you can get and
you have to try everything, aslong as it's legal.
You got to try everything bynecessary, because these animals

(36:55):
are not easy to kill, theyespecially.
The bigger they get, the harderit gets.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
That's true and yeah, it may suck at the first year.
I do it that first two yearsbecause they might be going off
different patterns now.
So they're like all right, andthat's why everyone's kind of
like scared to do it.
They're like, well, I don'twant to change their patterns or
something like that and okay,fine, so it may suck at the
beginning because they're goingto be moving different areas and
moving through different lanes,trails, whatever, but then I'll

(37:28):
get them used to those ones soI can adjust now my hunting to
where they're officially movingon these new ones.
And for instance, like I don'tknow if you got a university
around you that you've been onor whatever, but when I went to
western I'd walk through themiddle of campus and I seen 10
point bucks, 12 point bucks,just walk in the middle of the
damn campus.
I'm like what the heck man?
And, like I said, they justdon't, they don't care sometimes

(37:51):
because they get used to it.
So you can kind of train deerlike cattle I agree, and we see
it here.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
I mean it's yet again we're we're such a small state
and we're so diverse.
I mean, yet again, we're themost densely populated state, so
deer and people are alwaysgoing to mix.
Deer and bears are always goingto mix, now you know.
So I think, like you said, aschool parks, things like that,

(38:19):
like yet again, again, evenareas that you hunt, like we
have trails, that like I haveone spot, my meat spot, the wind
does not matter one bit, Idon't care what the wind says,
because they are so used topeople coming and walking on the
hiking trails and everythinglike that and just walking
through at random times throughthe day.

(38:40):
They don't do anything.
I I took somebody out and hewas a new hunter and he was so
shocked that we were able towalk up on a buck, um, and I
think we were like 10, 15 yardsand we were able to get closer
and closer and he didn't move.
And you know, I think part ofit.

(39:00):
I forget who we're talking abouton this podcast.
I can't remember exactly whosaid it, but they're like maybe
you know we also give off adifferent, you know, pheromone
or whatever it is when we'rehunting, because, I swear, when
I'm not in that hunting mode andI'm hunting mode and I'm just
walking, you know, or going todo something, we're not trying

(39:23):
to be sneaky, so deer kind ofjust they pick up on that.
You know.
Maybe I don't know what it is,but when I'm not hunting I could
be as close as I could throw arock at a deer and kill it.
But when it's hunting season Igot that like killer mentality.
I don't know if it's like I'mtrying to be stealthy.
I don't know if it's like I'mtrying to be stealthy.
I don't know if we actually aregiving off something that you

(39:47):
know deer can pick up, ouranimals can pick up on.
But where the hell is thatduring?

Speaker 2 (39:53):
during the hunting season.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
I would like it easy, like that you, you give me a 10
yard broadside shot right there, just like you did.
You know, outside of season wewould have no issues.
It's, it's not like it's, it'sridiculous.
Or I have bucks.
You know we, one of the spots II hunt in to antler restriction
.
I'm telling you these bucksthat are under the antler

(40:16):
restriction that they know theycan't get shot.
They're the cockiest things inthe world and they give you all
the time in the day you couldjump on its back and kill it
with the knife and like that'show easy it would be.
But like it's, like they knowit's, it's bizarre, it's the
craziest thing in the world.
I'll never understand it, butyou know it makes it, makes it

(40:39):
what it is and it's it's it is.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
It is a lot of fun yeah, I mean even even like
we're um up by us in new yorkstate.
Everybody used to hate when, um, when the farmer would go and
like spray down their fieldswith manure.
But I used to love it becausefrom my tree stand I can smell
it, and if I could smell it, Iknow they can smell it, so I'll

(41:01):
be like I'm golden.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Now I have nothing to worry about yeah, and I've
heard when, when farmers docertain things, I actually heard
like it's a very, it's veryuseful um, and deer and all
different animals they pick upon that and they get so
accustomed to that.
You know, I don't know ifthey're coming out when they're
there's shit all over the ground, but I know when you you tear

(41:23):
up that spot or you're freshcorn or whatever you're doing
plowing, whatever animals startto come, deer will come.
But yeah, that manure, yeah maysmell, it's a great cover scent
.
It's a really good cover scent.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
So many deer man, I'm telling you, maybe it was just
because they were coming in ourwoods to get away from the smell
.
I don't know, but it alwaysseemed to work for me.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
So um, I wonder.
I've heard a lot of thingsabout smoke, about a campfire
smoke.
There's actually a really goodcover set and then I I can't.
Yet again, I can't remember whosaid this, but they said that
their father, or something likethat.
That's what he does beforehunting season and before he
goes on a hunt he will have acampfire and he'll actually get

(42:06):
his clothes nice and smoky andhe'll go out in the woods and,
you know, have no issueswhatsoever, because that's more,
that's still a natural smell,especially, yet again, if you're
living closer, if your deer areliving closer to homes.
I think they're going toexperience that a lot more and
they're not going to really takethat with human scent.

(42:28):
You know, because there's firesall the time and you know there
could be a little forest fireor anything like that.
So it's just like a littlesmoke.
I don't think it's a.
I don't think it really affectsdeer movement at all.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
No, I I've heard that my dad's actually been trying
to do that a couple of timeswhere he'll take his clothes in
the smoke and air it out thatway.
And I actually I don't use anyscent products like any, like
spray down products, whatever.
The only thing I do when itcomes to scent control is I
clean it with desensitizedclothing whatever, and I'll take
a shower the first day butafter that I clean.

(43:03):
I leave my clothes basicallythe entire month of september
outside, so it gets that fresh,natural smell like that way and
kind of feel like that way.
I feel quote, unquote invisibleout there in my way.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
That's, that's how I do my scent control, at least no
, and it's, it's smart, likethat is the best way.
My one buddy had a um to haveit.
He was gonna put it.
He was gonna dig a hole and putit in the ground for the whole
entire off season and then digit back up during the season.
Um, he never ended up doing it,but it was like I'll never

(43:40):
forget when he told me.
But then I was like you knowwhat, like that could maybe work
.
But then I was like well, ifit's really rainy, then it's not
gonna work and then yourclothes are gonna be just
absolutely just disgusting andyou're gonna have to put it in
the washer anyway.
So maybe it won't work.
But like, if there's a waywhere you could do it, and, like

(44:02):
you said, if you, you know, youleave it outside, like that's a
, that's a perfect way to do it.
Um, you know the, the betteroff I think you are.
I do agree.
I don't think we can never foola deer's nose and that's my
belief, right?
I I use it with a grain of saltLike, don't get me wrong Like I

(44:22):
have the scent free stuff and Ilike to wash my clothes,
obviously, you know, and I'llwash it and scent free stuff and
But yet again, I don't thinkthe minute I get out the shower
I'm getting the same odor on me.
You know, the minute I putclothes on, the minute I walk
through the house, the minute Iget into bed, the minute I put

(44:43):
clothes on, the minute I walkthrough the house, the minute I
get into bed, the minute I'mnext to my fiancee, because you
know she likes to wear perfumeand everything like that or the
minute I get into the truck,like there's just different
scents all around us that arenot in the woods.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
The only thing I could think about is getting an
outdoor shower, taking a showerin the outdoors, rolling around
on the ground and, I guess,going out hunting naked yeah,
the only way I remember one yearI tried putting my clothes in
leaves for like two weeks andthen, all right, I'm gonna take

(45:14):
them straight from the leaves,fluff them out for a second,
then put them on, go hunting.
That was a bad fucking idea,man.
I next I thing.
I know I feel itchy all aroundme.
I got from my tree stand likenope done, let's wash these
clothes.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
That was not a good idea.
Did you have any ticks?
Luckily, you didn't have anyticks on you.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
No, I got butt naked, man, and I made sure there was
nothing on me.
Wash the clothes like mom.
Throw me in the laundry realquick oh, but it's yet again.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
That's such a you would think it's such a smart
idea because in your head, likethis is all natural, um, but
then, yet again, it makes sense,yet again that it would be
extremely itchy, and then Iwould be paranoid too and I
would.
I would freak out the minutelike I thought I felt something
crawling on me Like it's, it's,it's a tough, it's a tough thing

(46:10):
trying to fool a deer's nose,but you know it's, it's part of
that cat and mouse game.
You know it's part of what welove and we're.
I love how all of us are alljust coming out.
We're trying to come up withdifferent ideas that probably
somebody has come out withbefore us, and you know anyone
who's probably done this alreadyand, you know, maybe failed at
her, but like, yeah, these guysare idiots.

(46:31):
I wonder.
I hope someone in the listen tothis comes like DMS us.
We're like, hey, listen, thisis what I tried doing.
It's something just absolutelyoutrageous.
Um, so if anyone out there hasdone anything outrageous, please
let us know.
So, brett you're, you knowyou're.

(46:52):
You're hunting this property.
What was?
What was your first?
You know, big season like thatreally get when'd you really get
hooked onto hunting?
Was it always at a young age?
Where or was there one momentthat like, or one season or
something like that that reallystuck out to you?

Speaker 3 (47:12):
oh man, that's a good question.
I think I've always been hookedbecause growing up my dad's
always hunted and my dad's bestfriend always hunted.
They took me out hunting to thehunting cabin up in the up.
Uh, I remember at a young ageI'd stand at the sliding glass

(47:32):
door, just face buried into itand like, all right, it's dark,
mom, where the fuck's dad at yousaid he's coming in and just
waiting for dad to come in andask him stories of what he saw,
and I'd go out there hunting, Imean, uh, tracking deer when he
shot him.
And I don't think there's oneparticular year where I got
officially hooked.
I think it was just kind ofborn in right into me where

(47:54):
hunting is just it's part of whoI am.
I mean, I've had stories andseasons where I was like they're
probably my, my best seasonsand those are different.
But to be actually officiallyhooked into it, no, I think it
was just, it was just somethingin me, naturally, once I picked
up my very first bow and my dadstarted teaching me to hunting,

(48:15):
I think once I threw my firstarrow down at the target, it was
game over.
It's just hunting, it's huntingwith a bow and something my dad
.
It's kind of like a law in thefamily where you, we only hunt
with a bow, we'll never huntwith a gun.
Um, unfortunately he can't drawback a bow anymore, so he's one
of those babies that shoots acrossbow, which I don't care.
That whole crossbow debate Iget, it's a big thing right now.

(48:38):
Um, so he gets.
He gets a pass for me and justlike anyone else that can't
physically draw back a bow.
But for people that can't drawback a bow physically, that can
draw a bow physically and toshoot a crossbow, I'm gonna have
my opinions about you andyou're gonna hear my opinion
about it.
But anyways, yeah, the day Ican't draw back a bow, I'll pick

(49:00):
up a crossbow or I hope thatday never comes I love that
because that is my biggestopinion on crossbow.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
I think and it's a very, it's a very difficult
debate that I have with peopleand yet again, if you use it,
I'd much rather you use it andhunt than not.
But you know what?
I think they need to make itwhere, if you're under a certain
age, you can use it.
If you're past a certain age orhave a medical or physical

(49:32):
disability, yes, obviously youshould be able to use it.
But I think if you can do it,pull back a bell and it's
something kind of that we'retalking about.
You know what it's hard, sodon't give up on it.
That's what makes bow huntingso much fun, is it's difficult.

(49:52):
Everything has to go right.
If you're an inch off man, thatcould be.
That's hit or miss, that couldbe.
You know the difference of adead deer or not.
Could it be that's hit or miss,that could be.
You know the difference of adead deer or not.
I think people have just gottentoo comfortable with doing the
basics and I think crossbowhunting to me and yet again, I

(50:12):
hope no one out there getsoffended by this but I think
it's the basic.
If you're looking to me tostart hunting, like hey, listen,
I want to start hunting.
All right, here's a crossbow.
I'm actually doing that withwith a buddy, but moving forward
if he loves it.
Hey, bud, you can't use thiscrossbow anymore.
You got to go get yourself areal bow and you got to use a

(50:34):
compound bow.
I'm all for using a crossbowunder those circumstances, you
know.
Um, besides that, you know, andyou got those people like I, I,
american, mike, he, he, youknow he could kill it with the
bow, muzzleloader, shotgun,crossbow.
He does it all, um, you know,and he loves using the crossbow
for me in the late season.

(50:55):
But you know, I give him hiscredit because he's a great
freaking shot and you know hecould kill it with with, no
matter what he uses.
So you know he gets the passfor me too.
But you know, for the most part,like my fiance, she's gone into
hunting, never used a crossbow,not once.
I asked her like hey, do youwant to use one?

(51:17):
She goes no, I got her to maketo agree.
This year, if we have time, ifwe we're gonna do a bear hunt, I
want her to do it with acrossbow, not her, her bow,
because her bow, I think is onlyand I know it could probably it
could kill a bear at 40, um butpounds, but I still would feel
a lot more comfortable if shewas pulling back 50.

(51:40):
You know what I mean.
I would be like all right, youknow what, we're gonna go kill
ourselves a bear.
You can use your, your compoundbow, but you know my first one,
it's gonna be a crossbow, Ithink yep, well, that's smart I
think the debate when it comesto crossbows, it's I don't care
if I hurt people's opinionopinions, that's on my show.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
I don't care if I hurt people's opinions, that's
on my show, I don't care, I'mgoing to say what I want.
Um, but if you're using acrossbow, first off, if you're
out hunting, that's what Imostly care about, because I
just like people getting outsidein the woods and hunting.
It's just, it's a dying thingoverall.
But to talk about crossbowhunting overall, it's if you
physically can't, okay, thenlet's have a medical note,

(52:22):
whatever.
If you physically just can't doit, okay, then you can use
crossbow.
If you're at a very young ageand drawing back a bow, you just
don't have the strength to doit, then that's okay.
Like you said, I think there'scertain times where people can
use a bow, I mean a crossbow.
But if you physically can drawback a bow and you don't need to
shoot a poundage of 70, 80,whatever, I mean heck, you got

(52:45):
people out there shooting 30, 40pounds, so it's, it's possible,
it's.
You get these people out therewith a crossbow.
They can shoot basically almoston a mile, basic whatever, and
shooting at penny size groupingsit's ridiculous and they can go
into archery and they can shootduring the gun season.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
And it's just I don't like it, I think it needs its
own separate season, like gunseason.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
I think it needs to be pushed at a certain point.
Granted, I think here inMichigan I definitely think that
we need to move gun season fromNovember 15th to a different
date.
I know I'll never see that inmy lifetime, but I think
crossbows itself One of my goodbuddies.
I make fun of him all the timefor shooting a crossbow.
It's just what it is and Idon't think anything less of him

(53:37):
.
I just make fun of him for it.
But I'll do that with anybody.
But he's out hunting and that'swhat I care about.
But, like I said, I thinkcrossbow hunting needs to have
its own season and if you'regoing to use it into the actual
archery season, it only comesdown to those people where they
it's a young kid or an adult orwhatever they physically can't

(53:59):
do it anymore or they have sometype of surgery where their
shoulder gives out and theycan't do it at all.
So, yeah, it depends on theperson.
Uh, young age, it's okay tomove into the archery season.
But if you're a physically ableperson to draw back a bow, you
don't have anything limitingyourself.
You.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
You should have your own season I agree, I think um,
I agree, I think um.
It was.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Frank, go ahead.
Sorry, but even like up by meduring archery season, I barely
ever see anybody that shoots acompound boat.
Everybody I come across to hasa crossbow in their hand, cause
it's an easy thing to do.
Yeah, and I've seen, I've seenguys cause they just bring a
bucket and they say, oh, I canshoot 70, 80 yards from here,

(54:44):
I'm good and I'm just like allright, I mean, do whatever you
want.
But like upstate new york, likewhere we got our property, they
have a crossbow season but youcan't during the archery season.
You can't hunt with yourcrossbow until like the last I
think it's like the last twoweeks before the gun season
opens, the the whole beginning,the whole all of october and

(55:08):
most of november.
You can only hunt compound only.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
yeah, I, I love that about new york.
I am and I'm really excited forus to go scout friday um
upstate new york and everythinglike that, for a big reason One,
it's New York and two, you geta bear tag with your honey tag,
like your deer tag.
But they have that separateseason where I know it's not
going to happen because I thinkCrossbow, let me see if I still

(55:36):
have it.
I don't want to get this number, but in 2023, I might have
deleted it.
Let me go to my thing.
I think in 2023, I think theI'll tell the exact number
because I haven't posted.
So in 2022, 2023, we had 38,324deer harvested.

(56:00):
Harvested method 41.9 crossbow25.3 shotgun 22.1 compound at
10.2 muzzleloader the compoundswere 22.1%.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
I'm seeing right there.
We mentioned before archery.
It's a hard thing and I thinkthat's why a lot of people don't
want to get into hunting.
I think people don't want toget into archery hunting.
It's a very hard thing to do,but that's the skill of it all.
That's why I love it, becausevery the smallest thing can go
wrong.
The knot can fall off your yourstring.

(56:48):
You could have accidentally notclicked your your release on
their d-loop whatever.
Um, as you're drawing back, youaccidentally hit your your
trigger, and that's why I lovearchery hunting, because so many
things can go wrong.
But you also have to do thesedeer within 20 yards, basically.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
So yeah, yeah, and and that's another thing about
people are like oh well, youknow, I could shoot a deer at 60
, 80 with my compound.
I'm like, honestly, like Ipractice at those ranges but I
don't think I'm shooting really.
I I think 40 is maybe my limitand I really much rather the
closer in the better, becausethat's what archery is all about

(57:27):
.
Listen, if I can shoot a deerevery time at five yards, I
would shoot a deer every time atfive yards.
Like the closer in that meansI'm doing everything correct,
playing the wind, my movementson, like everything is good.
You know I don't really want toshoot a deer at 40, 50 yards
away.
You know, at least I know I canif it came down to it.

(57:49):
You know, best believers are 180inch deer, 50 yards out.
I'm I'm sending it.
Um, but you know, besides that,like I want them to come as
close as possible, the cleanestshot with the cleanest method.
I, you know I we owe it to theanimals to to do that yeah, and

(58:13):
for me I'm not shooting a deerpast 60 yards.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
If it's 50 to 60 yards in that ball frame, the
conditions for me have to begreat.
I like them 45 and in.
That's just my personalpreference and certain times
I'll shoot that far.
It all depends on the situationthat's at my hand.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Yeah, it's the smartest thing to do.
You know and yet again wetalked about it I highly
recommend to everyone out therepractice as far as you can.
I know not everyone is able tobecause you know, yet again,
some people don't have the spacefor it or not close to a range
or something like that.
But you know, what I do isevery time I go out to the range

(58:56):
I start at the farthestdistance that I'm comfortable at
shooting and I'll actually workmyself in, because then again I
don't want to get so accustomedto shooting at 60 and
And you know, I had this happenwith American Mike.
He was practicing at 60 andeverything like that and he went
to shoot a deer at 20 andmissed, went right, went right
over the deer, and he was like,oh damn, he's like, make sure,

(59:18):
make sure you also practice at20, because you know.
But it's and I think, a key tothat change hunting for me too,
was practicing courting awayshots, the, I think to me the
deadliest shot you can reallyhave is that quartering away.
And you know it helped me somuch.
One season where every shot Itook was actually since I

(59:41):
started practicing, every shotI've taken since.
So this is this will be yearthree that I've been really
practicing quartering away hard.
I've taken a quartering awayshot.
None have been broadside, wow,an extreme, like I'm talking,
some extreme quartering awaylike one doe I.

(01:00:01):
I literally put it in the backright, close, right in front of
her back, hip, and it wentthrough the guts, both lungs,
and came out just like theperfect, like it was a perfect
hole just right behind thatshoulder and that's how hard she
was.
She was quartering the deer Ishot last year and I shouldered,

(01:00:24):
I miscalculated, I think Imiscalculated.
There's a few things I thinkwent on.
Um, but you know, justquartering hard, and I didn't
put it back enough and she moveda little bit and it hit that,
that front shoulder.
Um, you know, same thing,quartering heart, a hard quarter
.
Um, I think, quartering away.

(01:00:46):
You got to practice.
I've even, you know, practicequartering too.
You know, I, I don't think I'mreally ever, I don't know how
comfortable I am taking thatshot um, I think, moving to a
heavier arrow, having theheavier option with the, the
iron will this year, I think, Ithink I will, and not saying I

(01:01:06):
won't with sever, um, I think,with the heavier arrows with the
sever broadhead.
I, I 100, will too, um, but youknow, I just want a little
heavier of a of an arrow justfor that.
That front shoulder, you know,and yet again owe it to the deer
, you gotta, you know, you gottatake the highest percentage
shot you can possibly take andyou owe it to the deer to

(01:01:29):
harvest that deer correctly Ialso think you also have to know
your own limits with that aswell, like, for instance, myself
, um, a couple years ago when Ishot my deer that I named Fish
Hook, I had him.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
He was chasing a doe in heat I he stopped behind a
tree for a second.
I was able to get full draw onhim, but he kept walking away
and he ended up being quarteringaway from me.
However, once I startedfollowing him around, my limb
kept hitting with my, my bowhanger.
So next thing, I know I'm likeI don't know what came in me,

(01:02:04):
but I was like all right, squatand shoot with it.
And next thing, I know it wentright through him and went five
yards and died right in front ofme and I wouldn't have taken
that at a younger age.
But because I've practiceddifferent situations and thought
of different situations in myown head when I'm out in the
field, I think it's somethingthat you need to practice and

(01:02:27):
know your limits.
And if it's something thatyou're not comfortable with,
definitely don't do it Because,like you said, you owe it to the
animal to give it the mostclean, ethical kill possible.
And take it from someone thatshot at deer, pushing my own
limits that I haven't practiced.
It weighs on you for a longtime, and I remember all the
deer that I've shot where I pushthe limits, thinking I can get

(01:02:47):
an arrow through them, and I'veeither wounded them severely or
and just never found them.
Um, it's something that ithaunts me every time that I go
out in the field, so I just makesure I do better each and every
time yeah, and that's a key,like, look at the time period
that we're in right now, it'sthe off season.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Uh, you know, I think doing everything you can to to
practice like you hunt and tothis is the time to push your
limits.
I would say you know you gotthe safety.
We're not shooting at anythingreal right now.
I honestly I tell you I don'tlike shooting at um dots.

(01:03:25):
I don't really.
Unless I'm sighting my bow in,I don't shoot at dots.
I get um, I obviously have my3d target and then when I go to
the range I have paper like reallife side paper cutouts of deer
and it shows it has the vitalsand everything like that.
And you know that's what Ishoot at.
I want to get so accustomed toshooting at a deer, um, and I

(01:03:49):
think that has helped me a lot.
And obviously I like to shootout of my tree.
I'm fortunate enough to be ableto climb a tree at my house and
get into the saddle and shootfrom that.
Know, steep up, cornering away,um, you know, the only thing is
I can't do that at 40 or 50 or60 yards.
You know I can only got a 20yard shot in my, in my yard, um,

(01:04:11):
you know.
So I, I gotta make it, gottamake it count.
But you know what, getting up,climbing up with your gear.
If you are someone who'sswitching to the saddle, I
always tell them you know frankcan definitely touch on this
because he's gonna be to thesaddle I always tell them, you
know frank can definitely touchon this because he's gonna be
running the saddle for the firsttime this year is you got to
practice?
You can't just buy it and thinkyou're good, it's the easiest

(01:04:32):
thing in the world.
I do think it's.
I do think it's a great system.
We talk about all the time thispodcast.
I love saddles.
I have two saddles and twoplatforms now.
You know, and you know it is agreat mechanism and tool to it's
situational.
You know, I don't think it'sthe end, all be all, but you

(01:04:53):
have to practice it.
You have to practice it in thesummer.
You got to practice it duringthe fall.
You definitely have to practice.
I think the most important partis the winter, when you have
all that extra weight and allthat extra clothing and
everything like that, and it'ssnowing or it's, your fingers
aren't working as well Causeit's, it's so damn cold, like
that's really like the timewhere you really have to

(01:05:13):
practice and you got to knowyour gear and know your limits,
like you said yep, no, that'swhy, like, I started practicing
months ago as soon as I got it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
So I'm just waiting to get my bow back, which
hopefully will be back eithertomorrow or the next day, so I
can start shooting at it.
You know out of it, because youknow and for our event you need
it for our event too yeah, Iknow, and I'm just like, oh my
god.
But uh, you know it's.
I definitely need to shoot outof it a lot more and I kind of

(01:05:44):
feel like I'm a little bitbehind right now, but I know we
still have time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
But listen I I brett, I don't know how often you
shoot, but I I haven't reallydone much shooting.
Uh, this year it's somethingthat I went to go pick up my bow
from the shop and the guy goesdamn, you shoot your bow a lot
Like I put a lot of arrowsthrough my through my bow.
During the season I love toshoot constantly, but this year

(01:06:10):
I've taken kind of the step backand I've changed the way I
scout, the way I'm planningstuff and just the way I'm
shooting, Because you know I'mtrying to spend more time with
the fiance, catch up on, youknow, my, my duties here so I
can get out even more and don'thave to worry about it during
the during the season.
You know so.

(01:06:31):
And work I got it.
You know I got to work as muchas I can so I can pay for all
these great things Shooting.
It's going to ramp up probablyin the next couple weeks because
, honestly, for us, Brett, ourseason starts September 14th.
We're really not.
We're two months out today.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
It's crazy from the season starting my scenario, my
practice routine wouldn't lineup with yours then.
Well, it could in a way.
But for me, my practice routinewhen it comes to, like I said,
I've only hunt with a bow andI've actually become a certified
archery instructor and teacherand technician.
Um, one thing that I do when itcomes to my practice routine is

(01:07:17):
I'll shoot at a target and it'sjust mainly a circle target,
like one of those morale targetsand whatever.
But I'll practice on that aprilthrough the end of july, then
august and september I startmoving to my 3d target.
So I get those first couplemonths it's just form, making
sure I'm dialed in, and it'sjust form, form, form all the

(01:07:39):
way through.
And then once august andseptember comes around, I start
getting into my tree stand,start shooting at different
angles and I also start shootingat, uh, different distances out
of it as well.
But I also get my eye used tothat 3d target as well.
So my eye gets used to seeingit like a real target out there
and I and for me that's just,it's worked out for myself.

(01:08:04):
There's a lot of times whereI've come out in the field,
where I'm not proud of it, butI've trained it, where I just
had to draw back and shoot rightaway.
It's something that I don'trecommend to new hunters, but
because I spent a lot of timewith my bow and I know what it's
capable of and I know what myown limits are.
I'm comfortable doing that at adeer and, like last year, for

(01:08:26):
instance, I had a deer comingright at me.
He was running.
I had to quickly get my bowdrawn and I had to follow him
right away, and then, as soon ashe stopped, I had to quickly
get my bow drawn and I had tofollow him right away, and then,
as soon as he stopped, I had to.
I couldn't wait a secondbecause he was going to be
moving.
I knew it.
And so just constant practiceand I think that's really helped

(01:08:47):
me out in the long run.
It's just practices, but also Ipractice on Sundays, but I have
a family now so I do a lot offamily time with them.
So I got to really make surelike if you looked at my
calendar on my phone each daythere I have a routine some 8 am
to like one in the morning.
Basically each and every day Igot something planned out.

(01:09:07):
I'm busy day in and day out, soI got something going on.
I got church, I got archerypractice I set aside for myself,
and monday through friday I gotwork.
I do some golf stuff with mydad.
I got my own show, like I said,on tuesdays and thursdays, and
it's just, but I also make sureI set time away from my family
yeah, yeah, no, I, I love that,I, you know I.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
I love that schedule.
Same thing I I got.
You can look at my schedule.
It's filled up in the same way.
I don't have the kids yet, um,you know.
So I get a bit more freedomthan than you guys, um, but mine
starts the minute I wake up.
I'm outside.
I'm usually working out.
You know, I will check emails.

(01:09:48):
I will make sure the schedule.
We got no podcast scheduled.
If I do, I take a look at thetime I get a post in.
You know, depending if I, if Ihave to go to work, I go to work
.
If I don't, then you know I amdoing something around the house
.
You know doing something foryou know the brand working out,
getting a tool done and Isometimes we get to because

(01:10:09):
Bianca likes shooting.
We get date night is sometimesat the range, so we'll both go
to the range and we'll just sendarrows and we'll that.
That's our date night, or we'llgo out, um, she'll accompany me
, like we'll go out glassingsometimes, stuff like that.
So you know, I'm excited, though, when we do have kids, to do
that with the kids as well, butit limits how much you can do,

(01:10:34):
and your time is very precious,you know from yet again, I'm 32,
I'm, you know.
Almost everyone now that youknow I hang out with is either
having kids, gonna have kids,getting married, just got
engaged, or in a very long-termserious relationship.
So everyone's lives are just onthis tight schedule and you got

(01:10:54):
to be able to fit it all in,especially if you're going to be
a um, a family man, and also anoutdoorsman too.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
It's a battle of both worlds and it's it's a great,
it's a great situation and Itold my wife on our very first
date, like listen, this is whatyou're gonna get out of me.
In the spring and summertime, Ilike to golf here and there
with my dad, and in the fall,I'm either out in the woods
hunting or on saturdays, mybutt's in the couch watching
college football.
So that's what you're gonna get, and yet somehow she's still

(01:11:25):
with me, so she knew what she'slistening to I did the same with
mine.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
I said listen.
I said the fall and the winter,I'm Okay, and that was like our
first date.
I was like spring and summercould be yours.
And then all of a sudden shegoes you didn't tell me about
spring, turkey and everything.
What the hell?
I thought that was supposed tobe mine.
I'm like, well, sorry, I missedthat one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
I did the same thing.
I told Bianca just right away,like this is, is, and we got a
strict like hey, listen, this,this is why this time of the
year I'm not going out nearly asmuch, because I got that other,
I got other things I need to do, so I had that time.
But she likes turkey seasonactually, because I can only
hunt till 12 o'clock, except forthe last two weeks of the

(01:12:10):
season.
So you know I'm out of thehouse by two or three o'clock in
the morning, so it's not evenbothering her.
You know, if she's going towork, by the time she's off at
work, I'm back, I'm back home.
There's, there's no issueswhatsoever.
You know I'm back home.
You know deer season's a littledifferent because you know it's

(01:12:30):
like, oh, like, hey, you wantto go grab dinner?
No, I can't, I'm just getting,I'm just rolling back in, I'm
going to get into bed, fallasleep, and I got to wake up
next Morning again and go gohunt again and it's so much
longer.
So you know that that is Justbe very, I think, for the people
out there, if any of theYounger guys are out there

(01:12:51):
listening to us or ladies outthere, like, just be Honest and,
I think, be truthful.
I go right away just like, hey,listen, this is what I do, this
is what I I love to do, this ismy passion.
You know, this is what my fromhere to here is going to look.
Like you're right and you haveto be flexible.

(01:13:11):
Of like that's why I sacrificea lot of my summers.
Of like, hey, all right,summertime, that's your time.
Springtime, you know, that'syour time.
You want to go date nights, youwant to go do this, you want to
go do that?
Okay, we'll do it.
You know, tomorrow we're goingto the shore.
I made sure no podcasts werescheduled for tomorrow.
I made sure nothing.
You know, as much as I wouldlove to go scouting and and do

(01:13:33):
stuff, we're going down theshore.
You know we're gonna go spendsome time down the shore and
everything like that and justenjoy ourselves and that's a big
key to to the relationship Iwould definitely say for for all
us out there.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
Yeah, yeah, my wife, she, she was, she, very
understood standing at the timeand she grew up in the hunting
world.
But I think for anyone that'sout there listening that's not
in, like a woman not in ahunting and going to be dating
someone that is hunting.
I think also from the guy'spoint of point of view, is, once
I got married, a lot of it kindof changed, where I wasn't

(01:14:07):
going out as much because I wantto spend more time with my wife
and uh.
But also there's times whereit's like I just want to get
away, I want my time, so I'mgoing hunting.
But when I started having my,my kids, I noticed I wasn't
going out as much.
So for the guy that's sayingright away, I'm gonna be hunting
october through december,you're not gonna see me as much,
and you start thinking, well,what if we have kids and he's

(01:14:28):
not gonna be around as much?
He might not, but same time hisown personal way it's going to
change because he's going towant to spend more time with you
guys as well.
So hunting might take a backburner, but he's still go out
hunting.
So is, for me at least, a lotof things change where I spent a
lot more time with my familyduring hunting season too.

(01:14:49):
So it happens, and but I stillgo out there as much as I can.
Yeah, that's why the.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
That's why the plan is to have a giant farm.
I would say, honey, I'm goingout back, just just send me a
text message, I'll walk right in.
Don't worry, I'm not going farlike.
I'll be right over there on theother side of the property.
I'll be in my be in my spot.
You know if you really need me,you know you could real quick

(01:15:15):
jog right back in or take theelectric bike, you know, back to
your, your spot, do what youneed doing up.
I'm going right back out, babe,I love you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
I'll see you in a couple hours.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Kids are sleeping that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Hey, I had.
Yesterday I had to go move sometrail cameras upstate.
I brought them both with me.
I had my little three-year-oldson doing trail cameras.
He was over there breakingsticks and doing whatever he was
doing.
My wife was just takingpictures.
I was like this is perfect yeah, no, it it works.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
Whatever, whatever way you could do it, I do think
it's.
It's a nice family outing too.
Like I said, you know back tothe beginning, like being in the
outdoors.
It's so good for for us, it'swhat we need.
You know you can really decomp.
You know back to the beginning,like being in the outdoors,
it's so good for us, it's whatwe need.
You know you can reallydecompress.
You know you're out in natureand everything like that, and I
think it's important for the.
Like you said, it's veryimportant for the kids to, to
get them out there in any way.

(01:16:05):
You know shape or form and it'sfun and it's creating memories.
And you know he's going to.
You know remember going withwith dad to to go set up.
You know trail cameras and youknow soon enough you'll be,
you'll be out there setting thetrail cameras up because you're
going to be too old to do ityourself and you know it's going
to, it's going to work, workits way out and he's going to be

(01:16:28):
like come on, dad, stop takingso long, like we're trying to
get in and hunt and everythinglike that.
You know, stop taking so longlike we're trying to get in and
hunt and everything like that,you know?
So, um, looking, uh, looking,gotta look forward to that.
Just the memories, I, you know,when the kids get big enough,
you know, that's the one thinglike when we do have kids, like
yeah, I'm looking, I'm lookingforward to like the whole thing.
But like yeah really, I think Ilove hunting.

(01:16:49):
I think like I love takingbianca out hunting, like it's a
lot of fun seeing her go throughthe process and everything like
that, and I couldn't evenimagine what it's going to be
like.
You know, when you take yourkids out and everything like
that, like now you're reallylike this is our kid, Like this
is what we're we're doing andyou know you get to see him grow
or she grows a hunter,outdoorsman or whatever she

(01:17:11):
wants to do.
So it's it's definitely adifferent, different situation
and I think it's even moremeaningful.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
That's going to give us all a different side of
hunting that we haven't seen yetyou know, no, and even like, uh
, when my daughter was younger,I took her out at a young age
and you know she decided itwasn't for her and you just got
to learn to be okay with it.
You know I told her no, that'sall right.
Like you tried it, you didn'tlike it.

(01:17:39):
Now go do something you likeshe still supports every time.
You know now she's 15 she comesin.
She's like dad, another deerhead on the wall like, but you
know she gets it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Does she eat?
Does does she eat venison andstuff like that?

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
she does eat it yep, yep, yep, she still eats it.
So she just, she's impatient,she's like I can't sit and wait,
hey, and you know what.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
That could be something that you know.
Maybe she works her way.
It is hard being when you'reyounger.
It is very hard to to sit thereand be patient.
Maybe that's something thatchanges, you know.
But you know at the end of theday, like listen, she's also
eating, you know whatever, youbring home.
So that's, I think, anotherimportant thing.

(01:18:22):
There too.
It's like she's eating clean,clean food and everything like
that.
She knows where her food'scoming from and you know she's
she's supporting, she's beingsupportive of the family in
every, every way possible.
That that you can yep.
No, I agree.
Um, so, brett, we're.
We're gonna start wrapping itup here.
I got a few more questions foryou.
We got our, our questions thatwe ask everyone on who's new we

(01:18:46):
actually are.
I gotta add you to this groupbecause we're trying to set up
our next uh round table segmentand I think you'd be a perfect
addition to to it.
So I'm going to add you to thatgroup and we're going to be.
We're we're going to beplanning our next rounds table
edition.
But if you could hunt anyanimal, what is your dream

(01:19:07):
animal?
It would be two weeks anywhere.
Money is not an option, it'sall paid for and everything like
that.
What's the dream animal andwhere would it be?

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
I love the elk, my favorite antlered animal, but
however it had to be the grizzlybear oh yeah I'm gonna do it
with my bow I, I figured that Iimagine alaska I imagine alaska

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
imagine alaska yeah yeah, I, I watched, uh, cameron
haynes smoke a beautiful grizzlyand that looked like oh my god,
that hunt looks so insane andI've been watching a lot of
grizzly hunts lately and it ison, it is on the bucket list at

(01:19:55):
some point.
You know they are just like Ilove bear hunting and I've seen
you know we've seen bear, blackbear, but a grizzly bear or a
brown bear or you know, a kodiakbear, jesus christ, they're
just so big and we're not eventalking about polar bears, like
they're even bigger than thanthat.
So it's like, how much biggercan these freaking animals get?

(01:20:17):
But like, that is a hell of ahunt in alaska.
That, that I like.
That, I like that a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
Grizzlies, grizzlies are dope oh yeah, it's something
I've been doing, want to do fora long time and it's on the
bucket list, but will it everhappen?
I highly doubt it, unless I winthe fucking lottery, unless you
got anywhere between $50,000and $100,000.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Just you know when that lotto money comes in.
If Brett ever wins, I bet hehas his Alaska trip Already
booked and planned.
It's number one already.
Yeah, Are you booked andplanned?
It's number one already, yeah,um, are you?
Uh?
Uh, do you like to eat snacksin the?

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
woods.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Yes, I'll eat like string cheese here and there so
that's your goat, so that's yourgo-to uh snack string string
yeah yeah, classic, that's aclassic one.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
Typical or non-typical whitetail.
Oh man, man that you know, Ithink about this on a daily
basis.
I would have to say non-typical.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
Ooh, I like it.
If you could buy a propertyanywhere in the country, where
would it be to hunt?
Oh shit.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
Because my wife and I are thinking about moving and I
want to move to a state where Ican hunt, and right now for me,
oh man, I'd say Tennessee, justcause I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
That's a unique one.
We've never had anyone sayTennessee.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
Really no one said.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
Tennessee.
No, you know, you get thosetypical iowa um alaska we've
gotten um the dakotas, I thinkwe've gotten like kansas and
like illinois, ohio, um, we gota jersey one um I think we got a
jersey.
We got a jersey guy saying wegot Montana, I think Colorado,

(01:22:35):
but the South doesn't get.
I just think it's different.
I just don't, you know, theSouth doesn't get the love.
I think the South it's justvery unique and I think I was
talking about this on one of themost recent episodes that we
just recorded.
The South, it's just different.
You know, everywhere'sdifferent.

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
I would love to go down south and hunt deer and
hunt other animals down there,because it's a completely
different environment, differenthunting tactics that you're
gonna have to put in, you know,um my wife is from down south
I'm not gonna name the city, butwe go down there basically
every year around thanksgivingand it's just beautiful down
there and I've seen the deerthat the deer have been produced
down there.
I was like, holy shit, I lovetennessee.

(01:23:21):
It's beautiful and let me tellyou this if you've never been to
tennessee, you go down thereand you start meeting people.
Everyone's like oh hey, how'sit going?
They're the nicest people inthe freaking world, man.
They are so willing to help youout and they're, just, like I
said, the nicest people in theworld and that's why I said that
.
That's why it's tennessee.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
So I like it.
I I respect it.
That's pretty.
We're pretty excited.
I think we're going to abachelor and bachelor party and
down in tennessee, um, it'll bemy first time.
I've been looking forward to togo in there for a while now.
Um, if you could be sponsoredby one company, what would it be

(01:24:01):
?
this is always a tough one yep Iwas thinking the hunting world,
I would but I've had people usebeen able to tie in a cell

(01:24:22):
service and also vehicles intothe hunting world, Just to put
that.
So it does have to do withhunting.
But if you could find a waywhere it's going to benefit you
for hunting, I will allow it.
So like, obviously you've hadpeople with like dodge ram or
you know, or like verizon fortheir self.
So you know what I mean.

(01:24:42):
So if you, if you find a waywhere it ties into, it could be
the most outrageous thing, butif it ties into hunting, I will
give you that uh, it's a toss-upbetween under armor and magnus
oh, under armor.
Okay, and magnus too.
Yeah, listen, I under armor isa good.

(01:25:03):
I under armor got a lot of heatfor a while because that whole
situation.
Um, that happened I feel likesix or seven years ago, didn't
they drop.
They dropped somebody, uh,because of some situation.
But their stuff is beautiful.
I do like their stuff.
I rock their boots usually.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
I do like their, their boots and stuff like that
I just love the comfortabilitywith it all granted at the end
of the day, to political wise.
Whatever you want to look at itand stuff like that, everyone's
going to have their ownopinions about it.
But for me, at the end of theday, I just want comfort and a
number gives me that.
But then I also love magnus.
It's my number one broadhead.

(01:25:45):
I try to tell everyone about itand uh, so, like I said, it's a
toss-up between one of thosetwo.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
If I had, if you forced me to pick one, it would
probably be under armor yeah,yeah, um, if you could hunt with
one person and I'll do a familymember and then I'll also do
like whoever else, whetherthey're dead or whether they're
dead or alive doesn doesn'tmatter, they could be famous,

(01:26:12):
whatever.
Who would it be?

Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
Family member would probably be, probably say my
grandpa on my mom's side andsomeone that's non-family
related.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Oh, fred, bear Duh, that's non-family related oh,
fred Bear duh that's a popularone.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
That is, fred Bear is a popular answer it would be
him or Lee Lukowski.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
It would be one of those two.
Whichever one, came.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
Whichever one came, you know, yeah, I agree with you
that one.
And then which other one came,you know, I agree with you that
one.
And then If you could changeone rule In Michigan, what would
it be?

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
Shit.
There's so many that change.
That's not even.
There's so many things.
I'm not going to say baiting,but I think baiting needs to be
changed.
I think it depends on how youlook at it.

(01:27:26):
When it would be moving huntingseason, of gun season, november
15th out and I think I talkedabout it on the last show and
they actually made a good pointabout it I think everyone's
going to benefit from it.
We're not just the riflehunters and all the hunters in
general, but I think even thedeer itself.

(01:27:48):
You're going to look at thepeople that are wanting to grow
more mature deer and you'regoing to help please them too,
but you're also going to helppeople get just put meat in the
freezer.
I think you're winning on bothsides of the coin on that.
So I think that's definitelyone that I would change right
away.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
Gotcha.
And last one, if you could huntonly one week out of the year,
what date are you picking?
What is your timeframe?

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
I'm assuming I'm going off of where I'm at here
in Michigan.
Yeah or yeah yeah, I'd probablygo off of that I would say
Halloween day, to like November7th, whatever, something like
that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
Yeah, another popular one.
It's always, I swear, I think,always around Halloween.
I love Halloween, I think it'sone of my favorite times to be
in the woods, even a few daysbefore.
You know, I, I love to justanywhere from that Halloween
time to that beginning ofNovember.
November is just such a magicaltime to be in the woods and
it's it's so unique you reallycan't, can't really go wrong.

(01:29:08):
I the only thing.
I just wish the weather wouldkind of straighten itself out
and we can kind of get back ontoa more, um, normal pattern, and
I think that's part of theissue why the rut hasn't been
rut like lately.
And I, I can't really, you knowyou can talk about this real
quick before we we hop off, um,you know, but here in jersey

(01:29:30):
it's just been like it's hot,it's cold the early morning,
it's freezing, and then all of asudden it's like 80 degrees in
the afternoon and you're, you'resweating bullets because you
wore, you know your thickerlayer gear in and you know
you're you should be seeingrutting action and you're really
not seeing anything.
And you're because there's alot of midnight movement and and

(01:29:52):
stuff like that, when the tempsare cooler, of midnight
movement and and stuff like that, when the temps are cooler.
Um, you know, it's just, itjust seems like such a bizarre,
bizarre time to be right now.
Just how our seasons have beengoing, just that time frame is
just not your normal and I feellike we're also yet again.
Someone who's a biologist couldbe able to talk about this, but

(01:30:12):
I always feel like it's eithera little we're missing it or
it's either in the beginning orit's just later, just because
the temperatures are just sosporadic and things are, you
know, just changing, and I know,I think that it does go off of
the sun and everything like that, how much light they get and
But you know, the weatherdefinitely has to play a factor

(01:30:33):
as as well sun and everythinglike that, how much light they
get and everything like that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:35):
But you know, I, the weather definitely has to play a
factor as as well yeah, and Ialways here in michigan, I
always make fun of it with mywife.
Michigan weather can't make upits minds like my me.
Ask my wife what she wants fordinner.
So it's like one day it's this,the next day it's snowing, the
next day it's the 90s, you justnever fucking know.
So one week I remember it was acouple years ago where we had a

(01:30:58):
straight week of high of 45, Ithink it was, and then the week
after it was like high of 80.
It I just you can't make thisstuff up here in michigan.
You just never know what you'regonna get no, it's, it's the
same thing here.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
It's, it's ridiculous , it's.
I just want a normal winterwith normal weather, and I want
cold, I want snow.
I want to know, when I walk outin the morning, that the outfit
that I'm picking for hunting isgoing to be sufficient enough
to last me the whole entire day.
I'm not gonna have to stripdown, basically, and, you know,

(01:31:34):
just carry extra gear that Idon't need to carry because it
wants to be below freezing inthe morning.
And then, yeah, just all of asudden just shoot right up and
you know it makes it miserable.
It just it.
Just that makes it miserable.
Just pick one goddamn weatherand that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
Right, I don't like bringing out extra coats if I
don't feel like I don't need itor won't need it.
Exactly On Christmas last yearit was 65 and sunny we had
people out walking the golfcourse, playing golf, that's
what it was like here.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
It's short weather.
I'm wearing shorts in the woodsagain, but, brett, it was
absolutely amazing to get you on.
I mean, we had such a blast,frank.
Any last words?

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
No, just a question.
Nice meeting you and it was apleasure having you on man.
Hope to do it again soon.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
Brett's definitely going to be on again and, like I
said, we like I said, we'regoing to add you in for our
round table segment.
We are going to be on his showas well, coming up soon, so
we're really looking forward tothat, brett.
Any last words out there?

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
no, just thanks for having me on, guys.
I really appreciate it.
I know, like I said, you'recoming on our show here Monday,
july 29th.
To date, I believe it is it'salready on our YouTube page, so
if you want to start pinningthat, go right ahead.
But no, yeah, again thanks forhaving me on, guys.
I very much appreciate it.
I had a lot of fun and learninga lot more and talking about a

(01:33:10):
lot of things and, like I said,it's nice being in the passenger
seat and just kind of goingwith the flow.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
Yeah, that's what I'm looking forward to that, that's
what I'm looking forward to.
I got two I'm recording, so I'mgoing.
So we have.
I think I have two episodes torecord on Tuesday and then, I
think, the next.
Now I have three more coming upand then I'm gonna be on uh the

(01:33:37):
buck, uh buck down podcastagain and then I'm gonna be on
yours again.
So I actually am going to be inthe passenger seat just
relaxing, got I'm gonna getmyself a nice drink, just sit
there, put my feet up.
Not really gonna have to worryabout too much, just just talk
hunting and not have to come upwith what things to say and just
answer questions.
So I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
I'm gonna be just like you might throw a lip into,
and then there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
It's kind of nice taking a little pressure off
here once in a while yeah, no, II definitely agree, but, um,
you know everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:34:11):
I hope you guys enjoyed this episode.
Make sure you check them out.
Their links are going to bedown in the description below.
I hope you guys enjoyed thisepisode and we'll see you guys
next time.

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