Field Notes 4: The Pants-Down Buck Down Story

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SPEAKER_01 (00:31):
We have a lot of trip over at a great kick off.

SPEAKER_05 (00:39):
All right, everybody.
Welcome back to Field Notes 4.
We're back.
We got a special guest with us.
We got Mr.
Kyle over there.
Uh absolute killer.
And I can't wait to hear hisstory that uh he's about to tell
us.
Uh, we got Squatch back, Frank'sback, Connor is back.

(01:03):
Unfortunately, Connor had alittle car trouble last week and
and couldn't make it.
But I'll tell you, everyonestarted off hot with week one,
and then week two kind of cooleddown.
Thank God Kyle killed somethingbecause like week two was kind
of looking a little a littledepressing for everybody.
And for us personally, and forBoondocks, and then also in the
in the hunting competition, Iwas like, damn, like week one,

(01:24):
and like we were on this likehigh, and then it was just like
it just dropped.
And um it's been an interestingone.
Uh boys, how's everyone doing?
Good, good, good, man.
Good, good, good.

SPEAKER_06 (01:39):
Well, ready to get go ahead, Connor.

SPEAKER_07 (01:42):
I was just saying ready to get back in the stand.

SPEAKER_05 (01:44):
So yeah, I just I just left the woods and I'm
itching to go back.
I unfortunately got to go to thecity tomorrow to take Bianca out
for her birthday celebrationthing.
So I'm kind of sitting tomorrowout, but the rest of the week
looks shaping up to be realfreaking good, at least for us
here in Jersey, and I imagineupstate New York and everything

(02:05):
like that.
But uh before we get to to Kyleand everything like that, New
York is what a few days away.
Squatch to let it let us knowhow excited you've been watching
everybody else getting on actionwhile you've just been sitting
and and just waiting.
You I know you got I think onebear hunt in and everything like
that, but it it's way differentwhen it's when it's go time and

(02:28):
everyone is posting andeveryone's out in the woods.

SPEAKER_01 (02:30):
Yeah, I know, Mike, you're you're definitely right.
Uh, you know, watching trailcameras all summer, finding
bucks that I want to get after,seeing you know, some really
good shooters, um, you know, dayin, day out, which is awesome.
I'm really happy.
And you know, I did get out todo a bear hunt.

(02:51):
It was like 85 degrees that dayout in the afternoon, and it
just wasn't happening.
And I said, you know what, I gotother things to accomplish.
I gotta get some stuff together,do finish up some modern ends
work and stuff.
And I put the bear hunting tothe side, and uh, dude, we're
right around, you know,countdown has begun.

(03:13):
I'm I'm stoked, man.
I I woke up two o'clock in themorning and I'm like, yeah,
let's go.
And I'm like, uh, it's notopening day yet, man.
Gotta calm down.
And then I'm thinking of whereI'm gonna put my stand, how I'm
gonna go in.
Am I gonna bring the e-bike?
Am I gonna do this?
Am I gonna do that?
And then today I sent you guysthe pictures.

(03:34):
I was I was setting up my mysaddle set up um in a really
good area that I've had you knowa lot of good pictures of some
bucks in.
And um, I picked the tree outand I was like, you know what?
I'm just gonna get I'm gonna godown there.
I took the e-bike in.
If you guys haven't gotten ane-bike yet, save up your coins
and and get yourself one.

(03:54):
It's pretty badass, man.
It it really saves you time,it's quiet.
Um, you know, you can pack in,it's got a rack on the back and
stuff.
I I threw my uh my backpack onwith all my gear, went in there,
whoop, found a tree, and uh Iwas in back, jumped on the bike
and beat feet out of there, andI didn't make no noise.

(04:15):
It was nice and quiet.
So I'm excited, man.
I'm I'm probably not gonna sleepgood tonight.
Definitely tomorrow night.
It's always I'm like a kid onChristmas morning, man.
I'm just I'm I'm so amped to go.
And you know, I I just I lovethe hunt, I love the relaxation,
but I'm also anxious to sharethe kill when I do get something

(04:37):
with everybody out there, andum, you know, gonna try to get
some good footage this year.
And I'm just pumped, man.
But you know, enough about me.
You guys know I'm a psychopathwhen it comes to deer hunting,
you know.

SPEAKER_05 (04:49):
I I can't remember if we went over this last year.
I don't know if anyone elsewatched you, you probably know
best.
Why the hell does New York startin the middle of the week?
Like, have you like has thatsomething that's always been
going on for New York orsomething like that?
Like, what's the reason behindthat?

SPEAKER_01 (05:07):
Well, what happened was Mike bow season for as long
as I can remember when I wasgrowing up, always started
October 15th.
Okay, then they changed Mondayopeners for rifle to a Saturday,
so people didn't have to take aMonday off.
That was their reasoning.

(05:28):
Uh then they came out withgiving us more time for bow
seasons, so they just made itokay, start October, October
1st, like a lot of other states,and they said that's it, you
know.
And we have an early season forDoe, and you can use anything
rifle, muzzle loader, crossbow,and bow.
Um, it's it was the last coupleweeks back, but myself

(05:52):
personally, I know I understand.
I know you guys got to earn abuck, you know, in Jersey.
I get all that.
I don't like to ruin my spotswhere my my breeder does are
because where I hunt a lot isbedding grounds and transition
areas.
So it I I uh and it's hot, Idon't really have a cooler or

(06:14):
anything to hang my deer in.
I I could probably ask one ofthe local apple farmers if it
was all right if I could hang adeer, but I don't like to impose
on people, and I just don't likethe rush to have to cut a deer
up.
I kind of like to let my deerhang a little bit, but I don't
know why.
I they just they just saidOctober 1st is the start of deer
season.
But when you got a seasonedveteran like me, I've been

(06:35):
working a bunch of years, so Igot a lot of time in, I got a
lot of vacation time.
I max my vacation time out, Igotta use it.
So uh I'm off from the firstOctober to the 14th for this uh
for this beginning spell of thebow season.
And when you know the rut startsreally firing up, if I haven't

(06:55):
gotten anything by then, I'll betaking some more time off to get
out there.
Love it.
Love it, love it, man.
Excited, though, boys.
I'm really excited.

SPEAKER_05 (07:04):
I listen, I I don't blame you.
I think like I don't know, andyou know, for us jersey guys,
and I guess also for Connor outin Wisconsin, like I think I
don't know if we take forgranted, like we get to start so
goddamn early.
Like, I couldn't imagine havingto wait till like October 1st or
something like that.
Like, I'm now so accustomed,just like, all right, September

(07:27):
hits, and you know, now withDelaware, it's like, all right,
we go down to Delaware, so likewe start September 1st, and then
it's like, okay, then we haveNew Jersey starting to open like
the second week of September.
Like that itch and that build ofjust like waiting until October,
and it's like, all right, like Ijust want to get out there, I
just want to get out there foryou, Squatch.
Like, that's it's kind of likeall right, that's kind of like

(07:49):
it's a normal thing, but for ushere, it's like, man, waiting
till October would be like, Idon't know, be I don't know.
I I feel weird about it.

SPEAKER_07 (07:59):
I'd actually, you know, they've it's always been
uh usually my birthday weekend,you know, right around September
14th through the 16th or 17thevery year, you know, depending
on the calendar.
But um I actually honestly wouldnot be opposed in Wisconsin, you
know, like Iowa, you know,doesn't open postseason until

(08:20):
October 1st.
Yeah.
Um and I like the you know, Mikesaid earlier, you got to be out
there whether it's you know 85plus or not.
Um, you know, you're not gonnaget anything sitting on your ass
at home.
But um, you know, right now,like the the first, you know,
three weeks, you know, rightaround October 25th is like when

(08:41):
go time is here, you know, whenthere's that that first possible
go going into Esther's.
Um, but I usually like the firstfour weeks of the season, I'm
only hunting the fringes.
I don't go into um the timber onthe farm, not a single ounce
until the 25th of October.

(09:02):
Because I think I've told youguys before, like on my buddy's
farm, um, it's every singlestand on that property.
Um, there is, it's it's reallytough to access.
And, you know, I'm trying to,you know, just do my best to not
educate um a couple of bigshooters that are on, I mean,
and God, even the does.
Um, look how damn smart, youknow, the mamas are.

(09:26):
So we'll see.
You know, it's kind of like whatI do.
Um, what I'm kind of concernedabout with how damn dry it's
been here in the Midwest, I'malready starting to see a ton of
the farmers pulling corn beansout.
Um, I'm just hoping the propertyum, you know, that I bow hunt on
that it's one of the last.

(09:47):
Um the guy who elases out the umhis egg fields to, it's one of
the last.
So typically it's mid-Novemberbefore they pull the corn out.
But it's kind of nice because itdoes a natural funnel around a
couple of my rug stands.
So I can only hope that theylet, you know, if it does stay
dry, that they let that cornjust get as dry as possible, you

(10:10):
know, so they're obviously nothaving to spend the money on
fuel to drain the corn.

SPEAKER_05 (10:15):
So mostly so hopefully.
Uh uh, you gotta love cornstanding in in November.
Like I love that.

SPEAKER_07 (10:25):
Yeah, I did uh last year.
I'll never forget I had um itwasn't one of the shooters, but
it was just cool to your point,Mike, about standing corn during
the rut.
Um, I hit the can call literallylike five minutes after first
light, and it wasn't 90 seconds,and I could hear a buck in the

(10:46):
corn grunting coming right tome, and then he skirted out
around the edge of the corn, andyou know, it wasn't one of the
hit listers, but yeah, it'ssweet when you can hear him in
there coming, especially firstfirst light when it's you know
still pretty calm.

SPEAKER_05 (11:02):
Definitely so definitely agree with that, but
um now we we before we we finishoff and everything get get to
the rest of stuff, we gotta knowKyle, my guy, you girl.
So, first of all,congratulations, all right?
I know this is something thatsince we've been you know

(11:24):
friends, and you know, now Ithink Kyle and I Snapchat almost
every single day, each other.
And like I I know, you know,you're you've been putting in
the work, and you've always beentelling me about you know, these
out-of-state hunts, these out ofstate hunts, like you know,
you're you're you're you'rewaiting and you're you're gonna
get one done, and and it's beenbut how how long's it been since
you've been on the out-of-stategrind and finally connected on

(11:48):
one?
Ten years.
But it's by choice.
Wow.

SPEAKER_02 (11:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, well, yeah.
So it started 10 years ago.
Start going to Ohio and Illinoisand Kentucky, New York, you
know.
But so early on, I set the barlike I'm gonna shoot a book, I'm

(12:17):
not shooting a book, I'm notshooting off with the bush.
And then I was like, all right,150.
That is what I want to shoot.
I'm gonna shoot 150 out ofstate, not take anything less.
Everybody has their goals,everybody has their own, you
know.
In the last 10 years, I probablypassed more 130, 140, 145 in

(12:40):
here than 99.9% of the people Iknow.
But that was my choice.
So um eating that tag, eatingall the money, driving out
there, driving home, feedingmyself all nine yards.
I ate all of that because I wasso determined on that goal.

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Fast forward to this year.
Um the honor in me kind of justlike myself to the wayside and
the killer needed to come out.
And being four kids work, I needto capitalize on every single

(13:24):
opportunity.
So we had four or five bucks oncamera.
I said, you know what?
Anyone these years show up,they're getting.
And you know, I as much as I waslike the thought was like, oh,

(13:45):
like I could have done it sixyears ago, I could have done it
seven years ago, but I didn't.
So it was just so bittersweet tofinally shoot, and the way the
whole hunt played out was just Ieven said it without when I was
messing around with my GoPro,and I like I was sitting there,

(14:09):
I'm like, this is fuckingstupid.
This isn't even like, this isn'teven what I would normally do.
Like, dude, I'm telling you, Iwalk so far down to this blind,
this elevated blind, I forgot itwas a quilted, like thermal
elevated blind in the middle ofa bottom with no shade, sun
beating on it all day, lobsterflying everywhere.

(14:32):
I crack the door open, it'sabout 110 degrees in there.
I'm already dripping sweatwalking in there because it was
like 80 degrees.
I get in there, contemplatinglife.
I finally get one or two windowsopen because I don't want all my
scent to go out.
I'm sitting there, I put my headdown, the sweat is pouring off
my face onto the floor.

(14:54):
I take my boots off, I take mypants off, and I'm sitting there
in my underwear and a blackt-shirt.
And like, like that's how hot Iwas.

SPEAKER_05 (15:06):
Let me let me tell you, Kyle sent me a Snapchat.
I think the I think the daybefore, I think, yeah, the the
day before you killed that deer.
And like I and I was I was inthe woods, so like I I don't
think I had my headphones in atthe point.
And I like you were talking inthe in the in the video, and I
was like, shit, I was like, Imissed something important.
Like Kyle definitely saidsomething like funny or shit.

(15:28):
He's doing something likeridiculously stupid.
So I like I went and I clickedthe replay, put, popped my my
headphone in, and he just allthe first thing I hear is it's
so fucking hot, my balls arestuck to my thigh.
And then he goes, he goes, Yeah,I'm sitting in a thermal blind

(15:49):
right now.
He goes, What the hell's wrongwith?
I'm like, dude, what I was like,I was dying just being in in
Jersey, just like no blind, no,no nothing.
Like, I'm I'm in, I'm fullydrenched, it was humid as shit
down here in in Jersey andeverything like that.
I'm like, I was contemplatinglife, so like I was thinking,
like, oh, what the fuck am Icomplaining about?
Because Kyle is literally amadman right now in a sauna,

(16:12):
basically, just dying, but uhand like I was trying to make
light of a situation, like,yeah, we know we're back again,
you know, eye opener, let me notkill a fucking deer.

SPEAKER_02 (16:24):
And then, like I said, I had the GoPro on, I was
talking to GoPro, and I'm like,like, look at me, I look like a
jackass right now.
Like, and I was just liketalking aloud to myself and
trying to like, I don't know,somehow motivate myself that
like listen, it's gonna happen.
And I sit here and I'm like, Iwas like, yeah, I can't even
fucking see where the deercoming from.

(16:45):
So I gotta keep the windows upbecause I'm sweating so bad.
I don't want my set to go out.
I was like, the deer just beright in front of me.
I'm not gonna know what to do.
I got my the boot, my boots areoff, my pants are off, and like
I was like, you watch tonight,something stupid, it's gonna
happen tonight, just becausethat's what that would be my
luck.
Dude, sure as shit, I'm sittingthere, and oh, and it's a

(17:08):
rolling like computer chair inthe blind.
So every time like you turn, itsqueaks, like it's so bad.
So I look all the way up thisdrainage, and it's it's it's all
golden rock behind me.
It's it's the property has threebig hills that go down with a
drainage in between.

(17:30):
Yeah, there's cattle, the cattleon this side.
I'm like on a knoll, the bait isin front of me, and then there's
a cedar thicket.
Like, I don't know, it'sprobably like I want to say like
250 yards wide by like a hundredyards long.
It's not big at all, but it istora every year with scrapes,

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tora.
So I'm in the middle of all ofthis, and I look out the window
and I see something moving, andI thought it was one of the
brown cows.
I put my bios up and it waslike, fuck.
I'm like, oh shit.
So I'm trying to put my pantson, and I'm sitting here,
really, and I'm sitting here andI'm like, I gotta get my fucking

(18:13):
pants on, I got my boots off,I'm sweating.
Here it goes again.
My ball's still stuck to my legbecause it's so fucking hot in
here.
But I finally get dressed again,and I'm watching, I'm looking,
I'm like, oh, it's it's uh oneof the small eights.
He circles all the way around,and then he comes in, and then I

(18:34):
have like my camera, because Ihad the one window open, I had
it open on a diagonal, so then Icould shoot at like the V part
of it, but my camera was stillrecording up higher, so
everything was you know tight.
So I'm filming him, screwingaround.
I'm like, I'm looking, I'mlooking, and uh all of a sudden,

(18:55):
oh wait, no, hang on.
So backtrack when I first get tothe farm, I go through the gate,
and the gate, like I said, thegate is on top of the hill.
I get to the gate, I'm walking.
I just I am within 50 yards ofmy truck.
I'm walking the property line,and there's two rows of hay
bales that just been cut, andthere's uh the cow, uh the

(19:18):
cattle fence line, electricfences running right between
them.
I am 50 yards from my truck.
I reach behind to grab my GoProbecause I was gonna film myself
walking in.
All of a sudden, boom, boom,boom, boom, boom, boom.
The fence starts shaking likecrazy.
I'm like, I kid you not, out ofthe air, this buck come jumping

(19:40):
out because he was bedded inbetween the hay bales.
Oh wow.
Oh wow, hop to the ground, Iroll over against the hay bale
and I stand up in between it,and I put my biomes up and I see
him running.
I'm like, oh fuck, that's one ofthe shooters.
So he he goes down, he stops,doesn't see me, doesn't look
anything, then he dives off tothe hill.
So at that point, I'm like, yo,I gotta get to the blind.

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So he was going to that littlecedar patch behind me, and I
knew that he was gonna cutthrough there and then wrap
around in front of me.
So fast forward, I'm filmingthis eight, I see it though, and
then uh I was thinking of thatbuck, and I kept on like peeking
out behind me, peeking outbehind me, and I look, I I
thought he was gonna come downthe side by side trail on the

(20:24):
edge of the fence, and I'm like,I was back and I see two bucks
in the pile, and I'm like, wait,I fucking put my buttons up.
Sure enough, it was that yearthat I jumped up and split G2 at
the top, and I'm like, no way.
I turn my GoPro on, I'm stillfilming, and I turned the GoPro

(20:49):
on, but I didn't press record.
So I found that out after thefact, which I was pissed off
about.
But so I got everything set,everything's ready to go.
I draw back, and my bow hits thecamera out of the way.
I'm like, now I'm like mid-draw,I'm like stuck, I'm like put the
bow down.
Luckily, the deer didn't theydidn't do anything.

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I put the camera back on thebow.
Or I put the camera back on thebook, and then uh I drew back.
I was fucking shaking.
I didn't even listen, like Ididn't pull up, I didn't upload
anything yet to my computer.
I literally just got home liketwo hours ago.
Um, I want to hear in the videoif you can hear my bow shaking
or anything shaking, my legshaking.

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So I was fucking shaking.
And I don't normally get likethat, but this was a long time
coming, and I was just like, I'mdoing it.
Shoot the deer, jumps, runs, andone of the uh like creep ditches
is next to me, like 25 yards,runs right to that, boom piles

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up.
I'm like, I just smoke thisdeer.
Oh my god.
And then it dawned on me like Iwas still filming, or I turn
around and I press uh record onthe GoPro quick, and I just kept
on saying, Oh my god, oh my god,oh my god, oh my god.
And I like I was saying, Oh mygod, more than I normally would

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because I was trying not tocurse, like I was trying to
like, oh my god, in my head, I'mlike, fuck it, I'm trying to
like maintain my composure.
I couldn't call my wife, I'mfreaking out, and then meet me.
I was FaceTime her, and then wewashed the footage together, and

(22:37):
I'm looking at the shot, I hitdead middle, low.
I'm like, okay, I don't know.
That's what I first saw on thehead, and I was like, the way
that he reacted, it was almostlike I hit him right heart
liver, but like it looked backfarther.
So I was like, let me just chillout for a minute.

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Wait like 20 minutes, and I godown to get the arrow, soaked in
blood.
I look, or blood on the goldenrod, and I'm like, Well, I don't
hear anything, I'm just gonnawalk around this little path of
golden rods because he's gonnabe right there.
So I'm creeping behind it oraround it, and I see his head,

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and his head's up.
But it's like getting a littlelike wonky, and I'm like, all
right.
So I kneel down and uh he didn'tsee me, thank God.
So I kneel down, I watch about acouple minutes, and then all of
a sudden he stands up and I'mlike and he walks that drainage
up like 15 yards into thethicket, and it's really small,

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it's like 10 yards long, whereit's like some brush and shrubs,
and it's like maybe 10 yardswide at that.
He goes into there, and at thispoint it's getting dark, and
like I can kind of see his assin a little bit, but like he
kind of like went out of sight.
So I backed out, and uh one ofmy one of my really good

(24:05):
buddies, Zach, who does uh dronedeer recovery, and I called
Zach, and uh I'm like yo, wethink you he's like bro, you
fucking waited 10 years to shoota deer, don't go back into the
morning.
I'm like, yeah?
He's like, yeah.
The amount of deer that he'stracked last year and people

(24:25):
doing dumb shit, and he's like,You didn't you didn't just drive
seven, eight hours, you didn'twait 10 years to do it, just
back out, dude.
Trust me, back out.
So long night, we get back tothe we get back to the farm uh
seven o'clock the next morning.
Zach was like two minutes aheadof us.

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He got to the farm.
He found the deer within 15seconds.

SPEAKER_04 (24:50):
Oh wow.

SPEAKER_02 (24:53):
I've just pulled in and he's like, yo, I found your
deer already.
I'm like, fuck, dude.

SPEAKER_04 (24:57):
Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (25:00):
Was he pretty close, Kyle, to where you last saw him?
Was that was he pretty close towhere you last saw him when you
backed out?

SPEAKER_02 (25:06):
Well, when I lost sight of him, he was actually
going up into the next field ofgolden rods, and from when I
last saw him to where he battedup, I think it was like eight
yards.
He was nice, but here's akicker.
We find this deer with thedrone.

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One of the other shooters wasstanding within like 50 yards of
him, like just looking up infront of the drone.
I'm like, oh my god, jeez.
So we walk down there, and we'relike pinpointing it on the
drone, like where this deer is.
But when you're down in thegolden rods and it's chest
fucking high, and you're like,oh shit, maybe we should have

(25:51):
kept the drone up a little bitlonger until we found it.
So we were walking around forlike 10 minutes trying to find
this deer.
Finally find the deer, and I goto pick him up, and he is limber
as can be.
Whoa, guaranteed within twofucking hours of us being there.
I would say probably less thanthat.

(26:12):
Yeah, it was a freak thing.
I mean, when I was gutting him,demolished the liver, demolished
it.
One of the blades hit thestomach, but it didn't get like
any intestines or anything, andthere was no like like it didn't

(26:33):
like protrude out of the stomachor anything like that.
Like it was just it was justvery, very, very weird.
Like, I took my time guttingthis thing, and we were like
trying to figure out like howthe hell did this deer stay
alive that long?
Like, he was demolished.
So I was like, man, like thankGod we we backed out.

(26:54):
Thank God I I called Zach.
I mean, we would have found himalmost instantly, but knowing
that that deer was up all night,which was good because I mean it
got down to like mid-50s atnight, so meat was fine.
Um it was just like I I Ithere's and I always said this,

(27:20):
I'll always let deer lay justbecause I I I hate losing gear.
I think in my lifetime I've lostprobably two deer, and it
wrecked me.
I mean, I was so distraught overit.
I hate doing it, I hate leaving,you know, I hate leaving gear

(27:45):
overnight.
Some situations you just gottasuck it the fuck up and let them
die.
That's what I have to do now.

SPEAKER_05 (27:53):
Yeah, you hate you hate leaving deer, and I I think
that anyone would agree, youhate leaving deer overnight, but
you hate losing them way moreand and pushing them and and not
retrieving them at all.
And I I think every hunter uhhas experiences, and still me to
this day, like after I shoot adeer, like you're just so pumped

(28:16):
up with all this adrenaline,everything, especially a big
buck.
Like, you want to know rightaway, like oh yeah, you want to
go hands on that deer, confirmeverything like that.
Like, you know, it's one of thetoughest things is to leave a
deer to back out and do theactual probably smart decision.
And I wonder, just like if youlook at a like take take a

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statistic of how many people donot wait and actually bump deer
and lose them just because theyjust didn't sit and wait and
give it that extra, even if evenwaiting overnight, like when it
without doubt, like if you'renot 100% sure, just like and you
know, Kyle, you're you're Ilisten, I give you tons of

(29:00):
credit because like one that'sone thing that I love about
filming is like you now get togo back and and look at things
and and make judgment calls.
And you know, we we did it withFrank's deer and everything like
that um last year.
But um, yeah, if you if youdon't do that or you don't call
somebody who you know who'sexperienced that in in that

(29:23):
situation, everything like that,you're gonna just bump a lot of
deer.
And that sounds like a deer thatif you would have just pushed,
you probably you would havefound him, but then also never
would have probably found him.

SPEAKER_02 (29:32):
So the where where I shot him and where he died, like
it was all literally within 35yards, 45 yards from the park.
Wow, which is actually deadmiddle of this 250 acres in
Ohio.
If your deer crosses propertyline, that of the other

(29:53):
landowner can say, No, fuck off,you're not gonna get a deer.

SPEAKER_04 (29:56):
Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_02 (29:57):
That's how Ohio is so.
I was like, you know what?
On the hind side of everything,um obviously it sucks you have
to make that call, but you gottawait them out.
But everything leading up tothat, the way the deer moved,

(30:18):
the sound, fucking piled up 25yards, everything led me to
believe that I smoked this deer.
If I didn't have it on camera, Iwouldn't have been skeptical,
and I would have got right downimmediately and walked up to
that deer.

(30:41):
So it it's it's a relief,obviously, that uh you know we
got him, but it was just reallyeye-opening that shot this deer
at just after seven o'clock atnight, and we went and picked

(31:02):
him 12 hours later, and he justdied with a destroyed liver.
Like I said, it cut the stomacha little bit, but it's not like
it didn't hit intestines, itdidn't hit anything else, like
it was just it was just sobizarre.
I I'm I'm like I shot him with awith a beast, and I was like

(31:25):
thinking, and I'll I'll talk toZach about it.
I'm like, what if like thatbroadhead went in and like it
went in like straight up anddown, right?
So let's say it went straight upand down, or like canter a
little bit where it blew throughthe liver, but like the back of
the blade sliced the stomach alittle bit, you know what I
mean?
Because like broadhead, it isn'tlike spinning inside of the deer

(31:48):
much, you know what I mean?
So it's like like what maybe itit was just enough of this way
or that way to you know, yeah.
So it was it was absolutelybizarre.
Actually, hang on, let me see ifI can tell you guys because I
got it.

SPEAKER_01 (32:03):
I have the uh deer are just absolutely just when
they have the will, when theyhave the will to live, they
live.
They they're they're incredibleanimals.

SPEAKER_05 (32:12):
Did anyone see it was on Instagram?
I should I should have what'sthe face but there was it was a
buck with a broken leg.
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (32:23):
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (32:33):
Oh yeah, yep.
Yep.
Did you hear like a thud whenyou hit him?
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, I see.

SPEAKER_03 (32:43):
Yeah, there, yeah, yeah.
That's definitely liver.
Oh yeah.
Yep, a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_01 (32:49):
You're like right between that back diaphragm
wall, it's like where the liverthe liver starts right there.

SPEAKER_05 (32:58):
And I'm guessing you are so you were sitting, you're
sitting to the left of yourcamera, right?
Yeah, that's good footagethough, man.
Yep, heck yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (33:11):
You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 (33:12):
But uh yeah, look without the so without the
video, if I was uh I thinkeveryone who you know, all of us
here, you're thinking you smokedthat deer.
Like in a hundred percent, whatyou said it's like I thought I
smoked that deer, without yougoing back, like honestly, at a
blink first, like, all right,that deer's dead.

(33:34):
Like that that looked thatlooked like a and it was still a
really good shot, but it lookedlike so quick, so your your
brain processes the way itprocesses things, like you would
anyone would have been like, oh,that deer is and then also
you're you're on the ground,like you said you're in a you're
in an elevated blind, yeah.
Elevated blind.

(33:54):
Elevated blind, well, whichwhich helps too, but you know,
um it's man, that that's one ofthose things I would again you
saw him fall and everything likethat.

SPEAKER_02 (34:03):
Yeah, I mean that I feel like I definitely um I like
I was shaping like a fuckingleaf.
And where the window was there'sa you know a tall bow window,
but there's a support in theblind you know, post to post.
So you can unscrew that andslide it down a little bit while
I was having a hard time get theright side down a little bit.

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It was down enough.
I got the left side down alittle bit more.
Had I liked it a little bitlower, yeah.
But when I shot, I was so likestraight up and kind of like I
had a lot of uh a lot ofpressure on my feet, like on my
toes to try to make sure that Iwas straight and as tall as
possible to make sure that Iwasn't gonna nick the blind.

(34:49):
That like played in my leg for asecond, so like I was on the
deer, I looked down and I lookedat my arrow, and I'm like, now
we're good.
And I went back and then I shotquick.
And then I was like, I'll splitsecond, I was like, because it
was loud in the blind.
I'm like, quick.
I'm like, did I fucking hitanything?
Like, I don't think I hitanything, which I didn't take

(35:09):
off, but it was just like Ithink what threw me off was me
shaking and the fact that like Iwas so focused on I was getting
ready for the shot, and thenlike I looked down, checked my
elevation of you know where myhand was, where the arrow was
gonna come out of the line.
Like, I thought about that for asecond, then I went back into

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it.

SPEAKER_05 (35:31):
If I was just, you know, didn't worry about that, I
think you know, I I I would havemade a little bit better of a
shot, but and that that's theprime example of what I tell
everybody, and I I've caughtmyself doing it when when you're
a hundred percent focused andnot thinking of anything else,
your shots are like, but theminute for quick split second

(35:53):
decision while you're bowhunting, and you just like you
you you think of something else,or you gotta check something, or
I feel like a lot of that causesa lot of shots to not go where
where they need to be.
It's a game of inches when webow hunt.
That's why I think a lot of usis so obsessed with bow hunting
because you everything has to beperfect.

(36:14):
And if your mind is not there,or you're you're for whatever,
you know, just right there, youhad to to stop, think.
You know, I'm playing that backin my head of like the the times
like in my situations where I'vehad to my bad shots or and when
I haven't recovered gear is beenwhen I for a split second like

(36:36):
have to adjust something or dosomething different, and I get
out of that mindset and of thatjust natural flow, and then you
get back into it, and justsometimes it's that's just how
it how it works.
But the most important thing isyou found them, you know what I
mean.
That that's the most importantthing there, too.
And I mean, not only that, Imean you you uh like you said,

(36:57):
you you got four kids, you got adamn whole army of of children.
Um you you just got the newhouse.
Uh Brie killed a a doe lastweek, right?
Uh was that last week?

SPEAKER_02 (37:12):
I think that or the week before.

SPEAKER_05 (37:14):
Brie killed a killed a doe, something, and then you
killed two, you know, spot andspot and stalk and everything
like that, you know, shaping upto a hell of a year.
I've I've been waiting.
Listen, if anyone doesn't knowwho Kyle, right?
Listen, listen, I I gotta whenit comes to turkeys, oh god,

(37:37):
when it comes to turkeys and itcomes to killing big buck since
I've known you, you've done aphenomenal job.
Listen, four kids ain't easy,you know.
The the boys over there, I I Idon't have a kid yet, so I can't
talk, but you know, Frank hasone, and you know, he's always
telling me that it is it's it'stough.

(38:00):
So with four, I I give you somecredit.
Maybe it was the stash too thatthat helped you out there.
Maybe I maybe all just take thebeard and just go for just go
for the stash.
I couldn't imagine squatchwithout a beard since I've since
I've had that long beard.

SPEAKER_01 (38:16):
It ain't happening.
You'll never see me without it.

SPEAKER_05 (38:21):
But uh, all jokes aside, I mean, listen, it's it's
a pleasure to get to, you know,see you kill one.
And the minute I got thatsnapshot, I was like, oh fuck.
I I knew already what what thehell happened.
I was like, oh I I I knew it.

SPEAKER_02 (38:38):
Yeah, I was um, I was just I was so distraught
after it, and like I I I I gotout of the blind and it was like
a little platform, and I wasjust standing there for a
second, and I was just like andlike I was lost in it, like the

(39:00):
sun was setting, and like forlike a solid 30 minutes, or not
30 minutes, 30 seconds, like Iliterally sat there and I was
just like like this is what it'sabout.
I was chasing a number on arack.
That's all I wanted to want tofix it, but at the end of the

(39:24):
day, like I said, I I got solost in that not that it's a bad
thing, but at this point of timein my life, I just I was like so
content on you know what, justfucking break the ice, just
break the ice, get that monkeyoff your back, you know, still a

(39:49):
lot of season left.
I mean when I came home before,I was like, so um now that I
tagged out in Ohio, I was like,don't even fucking think about
it.
So no, no, no, no, no.

(40:10):
No, but I want to go.

SPEAKER_05 (40:12):
Yeah, you gotta get Bree get Bree a buck.
I I'm pretty sure she'll sayyes.

SPEAKER_02 (40:17):
She will kill a buck tomorrow.

SPEAKER_07 (40:21):
All right.
Where in Illinois, Kyle?
Are you going like the GoldenTriangle, like Pike County?

SPEAKER_02 (40:28):
Or no, so there's a guy, uh his name's Brandon, uh,
Brandon Swain.
I hung up with him uh two yearsago, three years ago.
Um I just been keep having kids,so I haven't been able to get
back while we out there.
Um it's just west ofSpringfield, and like kind of I

(40:48):
wouldn't say really north.
It's kind of like west ofSpringfield and like maybe down
a little bit.
I think it uh Jacksonville,Jacksonville, okay, I think
that's where it's um, yeah,amazing fucking properties.
I tell you what, my best day, mybest hunt I think I've ever had

(41:09):
was in Illinois.
November, I forget the date,dude, but it was 30 mile an hour
winds, it was like 20 degrees,and I've never seen a rot
activity like that.
I've ever seen in my entirelife.
Never.
It was absolutely he showed me apicture of this 160 that was
running around, and that 160come barrel on ass down the side

(41:32):
of the edge of the cornfieldright by me with half his
fucking rack broken off, and itwasn't like a few days prior.
And I'm like, what broke that?
So I was I was fighting thecold, I was against a tree with
every ounce of clothing I have,and I'm like holding on to the
tree, not trying to get blownout.
But I there was just it wasabsolute mayhem, and I didn't

(41:56):
bring my camera out that morningbecause it was so cold.
I'm like, I'm not gonna sit hereand film this, but sure shit.
I wish I freaking did.
Because it was like some shitthat you see in Iowa, like,
dude, it was unbelievable.
And to this day, that wasprobably my favorite hunt I've
ever been on.
That's awesome.

SPEAKER_05 (42:18):
So when we all go on to Iowa, when we go on to
Illinois, let's put the tripright now.
I'll go.

SPEAKER_04 (42:26):
I know you will.

SPEAKER_02 (42:28):
I got a couple buddies that run a lot in
Illinois.
They live in Illinois on a lotof state lane.
They do really well.
Really, really well.

SPEAKER_05 (42:36):
It is a place I want to get to eventually.
Next year we're going toWisconsin.
I've already gotten that anddecided.
We're going to Wisconsin nextyear.
Um, I got I think two more yearsfor Iowa.
Um and then yeah, I want to getOhio.
I keep putting I don't know whyI keep putting Ohio off.
Like out of all, that's probablythe the next one I really should

(42:59):
be going to because Ohio is notreally that far from us.
Obviously, Kyle freaking drivesthere constantly.
So you drove what you when'd youleave?

SPEAKER_02 (43:10):
So went to work Friday.
Left work like 5 30, 6 o'clock.
Got home.
Well, Thursday night I packed,believe or not, and I never do
that.
I packed Thursday.
Had everything in the garageready to go.
Friday, uh worked, got homeabout 7, 7:30.

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Um hung out the kids for alittle bit, put them to bed.
I probably left my house about10.
I'd say around 10 o'clock atlunch.
And then uh I drove all the wayto the farm.
I got there at 5 o'clock, 5.05.
I pulled in.
Um sat in my truck for a littlebit, and then uh I wanted a

(43:55):
glass at the bottom uh firstthing in the morning.
Like all the bucks were therewhen I was sitting in my truck.
I mean it's I made all the wayto dark.
But I was watching what box werethere, and right before it
started getting light is whenthey moved off the camera.
So I wanted to see where theywere going.
So I stood up on uh my uh jackon the back of the truck, and uh

(44:21):
I was just glossing for like twoand a half hours in the morning.
And I really wanted to see andunderstand like, are they going
up this cut, are they going upthis cut, are they staying low,
or are they going in the woods?
I really wanted to see because Iwanted a second option to where
like if I sat in the blindSaturday night, like if it
didn't work out or the wind,whatever, like I wanted to be
able to say, okay, I'm gonnatake a saddle and I'm gonna go

(44:44):
over here.
And it's very hard to hang astand on that property because
there's not a lot of thick orbig trees.
There are some, but just the waythe property is, it's not ideal.
So I wanted to have a backupplan if things didn't work out
the first day.

(45:05):
Um but I saw a couple years, butlike I said, that golden rod is
so tall, dude.
You have year walking 25 yardsnext year, you would have no
idea.
That's how tall that shit is,you know.

SPEAKER_05 (45:19):
Yeah.
I believe it.
And that's how down Delaware,that's how the beans were.
The beans were so high this yearthat you couldn't see anything
in them.
They got so much rain earlier inthe in the summer and everything
like that.
That that stuff was all likemost of it was all up to like
try our chest and everythinglike that.

(45:40):
Um, when we're down there.
But uh yeah, it was it wasincredible.
I don't I don't think I've everseen beans that that high ever
um in my life, but um yeah, no,phenomenal.
Absolutely phenomenal.
So now what so Bree Bree'sheading out tomorrow?
Yeah.
Oh boy, she had it out in themorning or evening hunt?

SPEAKER_04 (46:03):
Uh evening hunt.

SPEAKER_05 (46:05):
Evening hunt?
Yeah, I can't wait.
Can't wait to see that Snapchat.

SPEAKER_02 (46:11):
It's so funny because like I'm logged in like
right now to all of our Ohiocameras, and the one walk that
my buddy was hunting uh the lasttwo days, he's going hunting two
days this past weekend.
And he the deer didn't come in,and I'm like, he didn't come in
the first night, and he wasevery day for 12 days straight.
And opening that he didn't comein.

(46:32):
I'm like, yo, fucking watch youwalk in.
I'm telling you, he watched youwalk in.
You think so, you think so?
I'm like, I fucking know so.
I do don't go 12 fucking days, 630 on the dot, he's coming in to
eat for 12 days straight, andyou walk in there, he doesn't
come in.
I'm like, he's watching it, anduh sure as shit, he was fucking
in there tonight at 6 30.

SPEAKER_05 (46:54):
And yeah, isn't that how that's that's how that
works?
Yep, wow.
Oh but well boys, we we'll we'llgo a few more.
Anyone we got squatch headingout on Wednesday.
Frank, how's it going for you?
You we haven't been able to talkto you.

(47:15):
You got your got your dough outthe way and everything like
that.
How's how's the season shapingfor you?

SPEAKER_03 (47:21):
Yeah, finally got my dough out of the way.
Um it's been slow for me, man.
You know, over the summer it wasI kind of noticed it was not how
it normally is.
So I was like, all right, well,you know, still plenty of time,
there's lots of food, and uh butbelieve it or not, man, it's

(47:42):
just been I haven't had the samequality beer, or even as many
beer as I did last year oncamera.
And they just they've beenreally slow, man.
Like I could have gone outtonight, and I didn't I didn't
even bother going becausethere's just every time I go
out, I see like the same,usually like around the same

(48:03):
group, you know, a few a fewsmaller bucks, and um there's
like a group of like six orseven does, and that's it.
I seen probably this year, I'veprobably seen about two
shooters.
One was consistent untilprobably about I would say three

(48:25):
and a half weeks ago, and I gotone picture of them since then,
and that was like at 10 o'clockat night, and that's it.
Um not sure what's really goingon.
I mean, I've I've talked to someof the other some of the other
neighbors, they're they're kindof saying the same thing.
Um even like even not only withair, even goes to like the bears

(48:50):
too.
I had a shit ton of bears lastyear, and even this year, like I
had a shit ton come, you know,all summer long, and then all
now, nothing.
Like the woods just completelydied out, and I've been you know
moving around, try you know, Igot I think um I think I'm

(49:13):
running six mole trees in there,bouncing around, just trying to
get on them, trying to find outwhat the hell's there, and
they're just not there.
Like, I don't know what it is orwhat changed.
Um but I'll I'll figure it out.
But um to your state land.

(49:35):
What was that?

SPEAKER_05 (49:36):
You thinking about going to your state?
Is it state land?

SPEAKER_03 (49:40):
Uh federal land, yeah.
I believe it or not.
Like, um I was I'm literallyconsidering doing it for now and
kind of just kind of sittingback and watching, and you know,
I'll still put bait out, youknow, and stuff and just kind of
watch it from there, but I justdon't know what the hell
happened.

(50:01):
I'll be honest with you.

SPEAKER_05 (50:03):
I'll tell you, I kind of have the same same thing
going on um compared to lastyear.
I think I've only had like twoor three shooters this year
compared to last year.
That was like felt like almostevery damn buck I saw was a
shooter.
Yeah, yep, literally.
Um, but a big part for me, Ithink I know one, is last year

(50:29):
was almost all corn with uhmaybe one or two bean fields put
in.
This year it's all all beans,one cornfield.
Okay, and the private propertiesaround are all corn, and I just
think they're all on the theother properties.
I think they're they're stayingin the in those cornfields and

(50:50):
everything like that.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean they they don't have tomove far to get the food, and
they got the cover, they don'thave to at all, and honestly,
some of the spots is some of thespots are they don't really even
have to to cross into to thebeans, or they can just wait
till till night or anything likethat to to cross over.

(51:10):
I've I've gotten a few glimpseshere and there.
So my thought of last year, itwas early season is when you
needed to hunt those big bucks.
By the time the rut came, 90% ofthem gone and disappeared.
Now, my hope is this year,especially once these privates

(51:34):
cut the corn, that they'll movein more during the rut.
I mean, there's still tons ofdoes.
Um, so really looking forward tothat.
But I'm also gonna be spending abunch of time, I think, also up
in um my West Jersey spot, oneof my um my zone nine spot.

(51:56):
Um, I got a really good shooterup there that it has a split row
and also it looks like a kickertoo.
So I have deployed now two orthree cameras, and I'm trying to
find exactly kind of where he'sgoing.
Um I got a buddy who's a who'suh awarded and everything like
that, and he lets me park at hishis house and walk in so I don't

(52:19):
have to trek like the mile totwo miles, and if I wanted to to
park where I'm supposed to parkand everything like that, so
it's easy access.
Um I've kind of let it, I'm notrushing because I'm really the
only one on this ridge.
Um, I'm probably really uh Ithink I'm gonna hit it probably

(52:40):
this week because the morningslook like it's gonna, I think
because they're gonna be in thehigh 40s or or low 50s for for
us and everything like that.
So I'm probably gonna hit itthere.
A lot of acorns are are flying,are are dropping.
Anyone who knows, you know, ourWest Jersey is acorn flats out
the ass, and it's uh it'sdifficult when all of them are

(53:03):
dropping at the at the sametime, which always seems to be
the case as they're alwaysdropping at the same time.

SPEAKER_02 (53:09):
Um I thought I had a wear uh a hard opening day, and
I was like stalking through thewoods.
I kept on getting a hit in thehead on the shit so early.

SPEAKER_05 (53:19):
Dude, it was crazy.
Yeah, same.
Um it wasn't acorns, it was likethis bigger, I think it was uh I
can't remember what it was, butit's hard as shit.

SPEAKER_01 (53:29):
Big and green.

SPEAKER_05 (53:33):
Oh, yeah, those things are fucking hurt.
And every time I would hear itcoming down, I would cover up
like this.
I didn't want to get like thatouter.

SPEAKER_07 (53:45):
I was I was talking to Quentin this morning because
we're going out to Jason's inOhio in a couple weeks.
And uh that's the exact thing hesaid to me.
You know, here in Wisconsin,we're pretty much, you know, the
the white oak, they love thatover the red oak.
Yeah, um, they'll eat thoselater, but the the white oak
typically fall first aroundhere.
But he told me, he's like, dude,he's like, I'm not bullshitting

(54:08):
you.
He's like, you literally need tobring a hard hat with you with
how those acorns are falling inOhio.

SPEAKER_04 (54:14):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (54:15):
It's I don't know for for Kyle and and Frank here,
like I like we have, I mean,I've found a bunch of whites,
but there's just it seems likeso many more reds, yeah.
At least maybe in my area.
Um, like you'll I'll find whiteslike here and there, but it's
like the reds dominate at leastthe area that I'm in, which is

(54:38):
good.
And that ridge is mostly, I'dsay majority of it is reds, and
then one or two other umdifferent types of oaks, which
yet again, I don't want topressure it because that is
gonna be such a I think a hotspot uh later in in the year

(54:59):
when the whites, when the whitesare all gone and everything like
that, and they're gonna beeating those reds, especially on
the early forecast.
Looks like it is going to behopefully a cold, snowy winter.
Yeah, finally.
So that is going to hopefullyplay a huge factor.
Um, so I'm I'm looking forwardto that.

(55:23):
You know, that late October,I've already found some rubs,
already found some scrapes, andthen you know, for all you guys
here too, this this is somethingI was talking to one of our
guys, Zach, uh, earlier, andI've noticed like in these
droughts, and I'm not sayingthat we're we're really in a
drought, but you know, it hasn'trained too too much.
We had some rain the other day,but last year I didn't have

(55:45):
nearly as many deer scrapingbecause it was so dry and the
ground wasn't there was nomoisture in the ground.
Versus I'm hoping this year wewe get a little more rain, um
here and there and everythinglike that, so you can get those
more scrapes.
I was going off all way morerubs last year than I would

(56:05):
normally go just because of howdamn dry it is.
And you know, for Connor, forfor you in the mid, I know you
get like the Midwest is reallygetting hit with a drought and
Um, you know, something thatyou're you're talking about
earlier, and I wonder if that'ssomething that you've seen too.
Like I noticed I noticed thatlast year, there just wasn't as

(56:25):
many scrapes, and deer weren'treally scraping as much just
because of the drought.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (56:32):
Um I'd say it was a little bullf last year.
I mean, we had, I don't know, Idon't want to say I would less
rubs than than normal, but uhwhen I was retrieving my buck
last year, um we had a couple,but I swear to God, I mean, I
one of my posts today, I pokedmy fist in front of it, and I

(56:54):
mean this thing was huge andabsolutely just thrashed.
Um, but this year, like I thethe video I posted today of that
my uh number one, and he's gotall the junk you know on his G2s
and whatnot, he was doing somescrapes and starting to hit it
pretty hard.
Um but I don't know.

(57:16):
I I last year, this year, Ithink on my cameras, I think I'm
seeing the activity at this, youknow, uh mock scrapes is
definitely greater than it waslast year at this time.
Yeah, they were they were roughlast year.

SPEAKER_05 (57:32):
Last year I had a struggle with with mock scrapes.
Um I think it probably is justso damn dry that like you know,
they it you need a little bit ofmoisture to get that scent,
like, you know, my belief andyou know the the stuff that I've
seen is you need at least alittle bit of of that moisture
into the ground for that forthat scent and and everything

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like that.
Um, but it hopefully this yearit's better.

SPEAKER_07 (58:01):
Yeah, we're actually, as I was saying, with
how dry it's been and the corn,and like I said, a lot of the
farmers starting to pull cleanthe fields out.
My buddy and I were talkingabout trying to, you know,
because usually on the trailcams, we'll see obviously when
the combine gets there, but wewere thinking this year asking
them in this uh kind of where afunnel is on the west side of

(58:22):
the farm, we can pay the farmerthree, four hundred bucks if
he'll leave a few patches ofcorn in.
Because man, once that once thatcomes down, um, because to the
north of my buddy's farm, uh,there's 3,000 acres and it's all
public.
Um, and to your point earlier,Mike, like once, you know, once

(58:45):
that food is gone, and if youdon't get on the bucks early or
have them patterned, that farm,it's like they're gone.
And so it's like you're you'regoing on stands, you know,
playing the wind for the rightset.
But uh that's what happens everyyear there.
And I think I told you before onone of the last podcasts, um,

(59:05):
it's weird how this farmer doesit.
He doesn't chisel plow thefield.
Um, they switch every year.
So it's corn this year and beansnext year.
And you know, I don't know howit is out, you know, out east,
but the way they are in theMidwest here, the second the
beans have any yellowing,they're they don't touch that

(59:26):
shit until you know late season.
Once you know the corn's gone,they've picked the fields.
And the way this combine, Imean, he literally chops the
whole thing.
Normally you'll see a lot of thecornfields when they go through,
there's still tons of silage,you know, a lot of corn left
over that you know came out ofthe combine.
It's not like this on thisproperty.

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So it's like I'm just praying toGod that it holds true, that
they don't still don't pick ittill late.
Because if the food's not there,I'm in trouble.

SPEAKER_05 (59:57):
Or I I would agree so far.
For for us here in East and onthe East Coast, like you know,
the last two years I've beenhunting a lot of beans and
fields, just you know, one ofthe new areas that that I've
been in going to Delaware.
Um so the dough's like so todayI was I was hunting the just

(01:00:18):
because I've noticed like Ihaven't really focused on on a
buck yet.
I'm still trying trying to findlike a really good one so I
could start deploying like a lotof my like I I'll start to move
them like crazy and everythinglike that till I you know I can
find like a really good buck andthen pattern them.
But you know, my mission is toget at least two to three does,

(01:00:39):
maybe even four, before themiddle of October down.
Like that that's my goal, right?
So I've been on does, which iscrazy to say, like, people are
like, oh, like how have you notkilled does?
Like, I've I've been huntingthem in bean fields, so you
know, every single day I'm I'vebeen on boat on does, but you

(01:01:00):
know, there you know, I had it,I had a couple that were like
40, 60 yards away, and 40 islike, all right, I can do, but
just wasn't, I just had noshooting length, right?
So it's just that thing.
But tonight I was basically setthe at edge of you know the
woods, beans to my right, allwoods to to my left, and usually

(01:01:22):
they come out the woods into thebeans.
The bucks are gone, like theyare not hitting the beans.
I finally had a shooter on onbeans last night, and I think he
was really just cruising.
I don't think he was that's notwhere he is.
Um, but the dough, if you'relooking for meat and everything
like that, they use that a lot.

(01:01:45):
And today I noticed, like, allright, like I know where these
does come from.
I got in extra early becausethey usually go out into the to
the beans around like fouro'clock.
So I got in at three setup.
To my knowledge, they were inthe middle of the beans, bedded
the whole entire time.

(01:02:05):
Like they stayed in the beans,and they're the beans are high,
yet again.
We got a lot of it, wasn't asit's not as high as Delaware,
but with the summer, it's reallygood for cover.
And so they've been actuallybedded down, and they were
eating uh beans and everythinglike that tonight, and
everything like that, and it'sit's turned.
Like, I was even thinking, like,damn, like, is it even worth

(01:02:28):
hunting?
But I want to continue to do itbecause now I'm slowly gonna get
to, you know, but I'm lookingfor it for me, and I want to
shoot my I want to shoot threeto four does this year.
That's a big goal of mine.
Um, and I don't want to do itreally over corn.
So like shooting one out thebeans, you know, of getting a

(01:02:50):
new spot every single day andgoing to a new.
And listen, I've I don't thinkI've been, I think three hunts
so far this year, I've actuallyused three of my sticks.
Like you guys, you know, and inthe group chat, like almost
almost all my hunts have onlybeen maybe with one stick or
even no stick up where I justput the you know the the
platform and I just boom andthat's how high am.

(01:03:13):
Um and it's been a lot of fun,and it's a huge, it's been a
huge challenge.
But those beans for does,they're still utilizing it, at
least what what I've seen.
The bucks, not at all.
I have yet to see a buck um inthose beans, and they've moved
and kind of like you weresaying, like I don't want to
push yet into those woods.

(01:03:34):
Um, I still think it's a littletoo early.
Um, if one's up and he comesthrough cruising, um, and I also
there's a huge part of me, and Iwas talking to yet again Zach
today.
Um I kind of want to keep mybuck tag for black bear season.
Um, you know, it's a lot of fun,you know, chasing bears, but

(01:03:55):
also like if we decide to hunt ascrape in in the morning or
something like that, bears andsomething that I've noticed,
bears do check scrapes, andthey're always cruising through
scrapes and everything likethat.
So it kind of gives us thatoption of during bear week, we
could shoot anything, you know.
We could shoot a bear, we couldshoot a doe, and we could shoot

(01:04:16):
a buck.
And yes, if a if a buck or ahitless, you know, one of my
shooters pops out or uhwhatever, up until then, am I
gonna shoot it a hundredpercent?
And I'm gonna be happy as shitabout it.
But there is a part of me thatalso kind of wants to keep my
buck tag for bear season andjust have a like because we're

(01:04:40):
gonna be at camp and everythinglike that, and it's a no-holds
bar where we just kind of wantto just like shoot everything,
like bear, doe, buck, like wewould like to take it all, and
it was really fun last year, andthat's kind of like my I I don't
like I like being tagged outalready for for certain reasons,

(01:05:01):
but also like I don't know.
I I just I just love chasingdeer in October, and when you're
tagged out in Jersey, and I'myou know, Kyle and Frank for for
us, it's like when you tag outthat early, you don't get to
chase bucks through the wholeentire basic October.
And for us, permit season is nottill November 1st this year.

(01:05:22):
Um, and you know, people areprobably like, why the hell are
you complaining?
It's like I'm not complaining.
I just I'll take a buck if he ifhe pops up.
Like I would have taken a buckthe f opening day if if we were
allowed to, you know, right?
That first morning, don't get mewrong, but chasing deer in
October is just like, I don'tknow.
I just I just love it.

(01:05:43):
I'm I'm obsessed with chasingdeer in in October, and tagging
out is great, but you missOctober too, and you know, yeah,
I I don't know, I find it a lotof fun.
Like that's it's the fall time.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:56):
Yeah, if I if I could add something real quick,
Mike, you know, I'm I'm hearinga couple of you guys talking
about your homebody deer you'vebeen watching, and then all of a
sudden now it's starting tomellow out, you're not seeing
them.
Let me explain a couple ofthings, and this is my take on
it, and what I've noticed overthe years, especially where I
hunt with a high food source oforchards, bedding areas, and

(01:06:19):
stuff like that.
So, what happens is right now wegot a moon that's just starting
to come up and rise in theevening, okay?
That's causing deer to go into afeeding pattern about
mid-afternoon through your 4:30,5 o'clock times.
There's they're gonna be out inthe fields feeding, they're
gonna be feeding on stuff.

(01:06:40):
Also, now the days are gettingshorter, your daylight is
shorter, it's triggering uh thehormones in the bucks to start
gearing up into their pre-rupmode.
Okay, so what takes place isnatural selection.
God doesn't let uh animalsinbreed, He puts something into

(01:07:02):
their brain that tells them youneed to move on away from your
flock and go find fresh doughsthat are not of you and prepare.
So why your cameras are slowingdown and why you're not seeing
your homebody buck is becausehe's trying to start pleging,
he's looking around, he'sbuilding scraps, he's setting up

(01:07:24):
his territory to breed.
He knows it's on the it's on thehorizon, it's coming.
So, yes, he's gonna satelliteoff of where he normally is to
breed different those that arenot in his family group, but
certain days you gotta rememberhe's gonna come back to what he
knows, he may come back to thefood, so don't lose hope.

(01:07:48):
And I'm starting to see it on mycameras.
Uh you know, I've got a buckcoming through, or another buck
coming through, and then two orthree days goes by, I don't see
him, and then he shows up again.
So, what it's telling me is he'strying to naturally select a
different group of doe familythat he may have been following
all summer.

(01:08:08):
That's his kin.
He might be and he can't breedthose dough.
He knows that.
And these shorter days aretriggering the hormones, and
you're getting a change in thepattern now from your summertime
patterns to your fall winterpattern, and that's why you're
starting to notice.
Gee, I'm not seeing that buckevery day, or gee, I don't know
where he went.

(01:08:30):
Shift some stuff around, playsome different stuff up, and go
to what you know as far as doughbedding areas.
When that when that time startshappening, don't worry about
food plots, don't worry aboutthis and that.
Those dough bedding areas, andif you can get on a dough, and
if you follow up, like you know,uh uh Brandon Barlow, who he

(01:08:50):
talks a lot about watching yourdough times every year, time,
time again.
Those does are gonna come intotheir estrus in October.
Some does are gonna come totheir estrus in November.
These older bucks, your five anda half-year-old bucks that we're
looking for, they noticed by thebook, they didn't get that old
for nothing.
So when you see a deer start todisappear, it's a mature buck.

(01:09:13):
There's a reason you may have toshift, you may have to move a
little bit.
He's trying to get away from hisfamily herd, he's trying to
figure out who he's gonnanaturally select to breed first
and what dough is gonna come in.
And doe, just like women, theyspot or they pre whatever does
do that, and a buck can findthat a buck will know he can

(01:09:35):
smell that on the ground, andhe'll take those endorphins, and
he knows that dough went thatway, so he's gonna follow and
he's gonna keep tracking her,knowing that she went in and
she's starting to come in theirestra cycle.
And that buck being a dominantbuck, if he's big enough, he can
defend that area, he'll get onthat dough.
And if you're lucky you're inthe right place at the right
time, it's good.

(01:09:56):
And don't get discouraged.
Just because you were watching acertain buck, that's might be a
great buck.
Last year, what happened to mewas I had three select
eight-pointers as I was after.
Okay, all of a sudden I went toOhio and a 10-pointer moved in
with a drop time.
I never saw that buck in mylife.
I never saw him, I don't knowwhere the hell he came from.
But why?

(01:10:16):
Because he's trying to do thenatural selection thing, not
breed his own flock to come intoanother deer's territory and
breed a doe that's not of hisblood.
So it can work for you too.
It may upset you because you'renot seeing the ones you were
seeing, but keep in the back ofyour mind, keep your setups
good, stay close to betting.
And a new buck that's lookingfor the same thing, the one that

(01:10:38):
left on you.
He's looking, you may cut youmay get him.
It's it's just a little thing.

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:44):
I agree with that.
I've I've heard that a fewtimes, and I I definitely do
believe it.
Um, you know, that's somethingthat I've taken into
consideration over the lastcouple of years, and you know,
that's and that's a part ofanother reason why, many
reasons.
Uh, you know, and I I hate tobring this up again, but it's
another reason why I hate thethe whole earn a buck thing, you

(01:11:05):
know, because you, you know, youare on those bucks early and
before they break off,especially like if they're still
in velvet and everything likethat, like they're still with
you know, basically their theirfamily and everything like that,
you know what I mean?
And you have them pattern.
Um, but it it's that's a that'sthe other exciting thing that

(01:11:27):
like I love so much and why Ialso like yet again.
I I'll take whatever I can get,but also getting not filling my
buck tag yet.
It's like I'm waiting, like Ican't wait to see.
Like, you know, that buck thatuh that I saw the other day.
Um, I was on my trap.
That's a that's a new buck thatI've never seen before, and I

(01:11:48):
think I know exactly where hecame from.
Um, unfortunately, he came fromprivate.
Um, you know, but I do believethat he will be back in that
area because that's not his corearea.
And the those does over there,those are breeding does that he
would he would go for.
Um, you know, and then also likeanother thing, you know, I found

(01:12:10):
one of one of um, I don't thinkI I don't know.
I I got his I got his head, sohe's he's a nice buck.
I don't know if he would havebeen certainly a a shooter, um
but I did find one of my bucksdead um earlier in the week and

(01:12:30):
Um I don't I don't think so.
I did not see like he wasconsistently on between two
cameras, and he never looked,and usually like they start to
look sick because they you know,and stuff like that.
He never looked like that.

(01:12:51):
I truly believe, and also partof it's because I have yet to
see other deer dead, and I'vefollowed the river as far as I
can go.
Um that I do think somebody shothim and just couldn't couldn't
find him.
Um and that's what I I hope tobelieve.

(01:13:15):
You know what I mean?
Obviously, like until I findevidence of more deer, which
thank God so far, knock on wood,I have not, um, because that is
a that is a little worry of ofmine, of course, all of us here,
EHD, CWD, all these it's it's aworry.

(01:13:37):
It's in every outdoorsman's youknow head.
Um but I I do think that um thathe was shot probably opening day
or opening weekend, notrecovered.
I think I have an idea of whoshot him.
Um not many people hunt wherewhere I hunt, but I I do have a

(01:13:58):
he was consistent daylightingconstantly.
And man, he was going to be astud.
And I think he was a he was agood buck this year.
And you know, if I would havegotten the shakes when he showed
up, I probably would have shothim.
Like I I do have my hands on onhim.

(01:14:19):
Um, like I do have his his headand everything like that.
I ended up taking it um afterlater in the week when
everything did its job, naturedid it did its course.
Um they still have to call thethe DNR, like I mean honestly,
probably, but like not like I Idid not.

(01:14:42):
Um it's and I and I was thinkingthat too.
I was like, oh, you know,because I I grabbed and I was
holding, I was like, well, whatif I run into a what's face and
he's like, hey, like, you knowwhat I mean?
How can I really prove that thiswasn't a deer that I that I
shot?
But you know, I would apply makeit like listen, here's all my

(01:15:05):
video evidence that I did notshoot this deer, like, you know,
this isn't.
Um, but I'm actually gonna giveit to our guy, Zach.
Zach just got home fromtaxidermy school.
Um, he went for the weekend inupstate New York and everything
like that.
Um, so I'm gonna let him do ayear amount on it.
Um clean it just just for him toget um some experience and just

(01:15:29):
have him do it.
So that's kind of a big reasonwhy I grabbed it and everything
like that.
So he can he can work on it.
Um, but it it's I hate findingdeer.
Like I really do, whether it's adough, button buck, like it
could be anything.
I I do hate finding deer, but itis also the natural it it's

(01:15:49):
there's nothing that we can doabout it.
Um, beautiful buck, andsomething that you know, before
I don't want to get this toolong, but um, you know, what I
noticed his his antlers weredark, and you know, I remember
when Squash was telling me lastyear, well, if they're very
white, they're betting.
You kind of can figure out wherethey're betting.

(01:16:10):
No, they're gonna be bettingwhere somewhere where they're
getting a lot of sunlight.
Well, yeah, for for the firsttime, this deer that I've he was
not, he was very dark, kind ofthat chocolatey antlers.
So he was betting somewhereprobably in the in the thick and
And I was like, wow, like youknow, that's something that
Squatch told me last year, andnow that's something that stuck

(01:16:30):
stuck with me.
Where now that I know, like whenI'm looking at these deer,
that's one of the other thingsthat I'm looking at is are does
it have a light rack or does ithave a dark rack?
Yeah, that's all you know, andthat's something that for
everyone who's listening, thatcould help you break down of you
can kind of cross off wherethese deer are kind of betting,

(01:16:51):
you know, if by just looking atthe color of of the rack and
So um exciting things, boys.
Where yeah, September's over,October is here.
It's it's going by too fast.
I I see um I see Frank's got aSteelers shirt on.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:13):
Yes, sir.
Finally winning some games thisyear.

SPEAKER_07 (01:17:19):
Holy cow, that that touchdown Metcalf had yesterday,
man.
He turned the burners on.
Holy shit.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:24):
Yeah, he did.
Yep.
Yep.
He's a he's a big man.
Yeah, absolutely.
Man, yeah, he's jacked.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:34):
I pick him up usually every year for for my
fantasy league.
Unfortunately, I couldn't gethim this year, but um, Connor,
what football fan are you?

SPEAKER_07 (01:17:42):
Hey, I stick to my shitty team since I was born and
raised in Illinois.
So my my Bears actually hung onyesterday.
The first half, I don't know ifyou guys saw any of that.
It was the most I mean, it wasso Chicago Bears.
Um, but yeah, the uh second halfsqueaked out uh touchdown to go

(01:18:04):
up in the Raiders, and thentheir def I mean their defense
was insane yesterday.
They had three intercept threepicks in the first half.

SPEAKER_05 (01:18:13):
Um they should just let that they should just let I
mean I love Geno Smith.
Like I'm a fan of his, but theyshould have just let uh what is
that Jeffrey or whatever hisname, they should have just let
him run the ball, which whichthey did.
I think he got three touchdowns,and they should have just kept
on just feeding him the ball ahundred times.

SPEAKER_07 (01:18:31):
Let him let him just go.
Yeah, well, and then MasonCrossy, I mean, he was just
absolutely out of his mindyesterday.

SPEAKER_05 (01:18:39):
But yeah, like I'm not gonna lie, hey, I'm not
gonna lie, you get a little moretattoos.
You kind of look you guys kindof look alike a little bit.

SPEAKER_07 (01:18:49):
I'm working on it.
You guys know uh uh DK's dad,his old man played uh his entire
career for the Bears.
He was a technical.
No, I didn't know that.
Terrence McKenna.
Yeah.
Well, that's that's something hewasn't that good.

SPEAKER_06 (01:19:11):
That's something only a Bears fan would know.

SPEAKER_07 (01:19:13):
Yeah.
True, very true, very true.
Yeah, I was hoping uh somehowthe Dallas was gonna pull that
out against the Pack last night,but yeah.
Parson Parsons on that lastplay.
Like, holy cow.

SPEAKER_05 (01:19:27):
Yeah, I could talk about listen, it's football
time, it's football, hockey, andhunting season.
Like, that's the only thing Iwould be talking about for the
next probably six to ninemonths.
Is is that's it.
Squatch, you you a big foot, youa big sports guy.
I feel like you're just a like alike when you when I think about
squatch, I just think about justlike an outdoorsman.
So, like, I don't know if you'relike a sports guy or anything

(01:19:48):
like that.
Like, I just picture you as ourlike our go-to outdoorsman,
rugged, got the beard.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:55):
Um, you know, any questions that we have like I
actually made a living logging,yes.
So I you are correct on that.
There we there we go.
Um I I played football inschool, of course.
I'm built like a brick shithouse.
Um, I was a squad center andnose guard tackle.

(01:20:19):
I I I had a good good upbringingwith with football, but I I
don't watch it.
My uncles are all big into it,and you know, growing up is
like, really, guys, you know,we're here for Christmas, and
you guys got a damn footballgame on it.
You know, how about you talk toeach other for five minutes?
But I I I'll watch like theSuper Bowl.

(01:20:41):
I'll I'm not a big sports guy,man.
I the big the closest thing Igot to, I was in a NASCAR for a
bunch of years.
Then Dale Earnhardt got killed,so I went for Dale Jr.
And then Dale Jr.
couldn't drive like his dad, andI I just stopped.
I I I'm I got more time intojust the outdoors.
I I I hunt, I fish, you know,I'm on Predators all winter.

(01:21:03):
So no, I'm not really a bigsports guy.
I don't I don't really get intoit.
If if I'm hanging out with youguys, drinking a beer and having
some food, and you guys got agame on, yeah, I'll I'll watch
it.
But no, you you're you're on theright track.
Um I'm the outdoorsy guy, justyou know, it's always been the
what I've done, you know.

(01:21:24):
It's it's it's what I love.

SPEAKER_05 (01:21:27):
No, like I I listen, I love I love hockey, like it's
number one to me.
Hunting is right right therewith with with hockey, and then
like football's just belowthere.
If I was younger and nobodyintroduced me or somebody inter
like my family grew up in theoutdoors, but like if I started

(01:21:47):
hunting at a young age, and yetagain, who knows?
Like, you you just never know.
I don't think I would have beenthe hockey player that I was
growing up if hunting was likeif that's what I I had to share
hockey and and hunting, youknow.
I yet again, it's my number onesport.

(01:22:08):
I think it's the one of the it'sthe best sport.
Um, I I love it right now.
I'm watching the TV short TVshow.
If anyone knows, it's calledShortsy.
Um my god, it's fuck you,Shortsy.
It's a bunch of beauties fromCanada.
Yeah, I I love it, right?
That yeah, it gets me fired up,but there is nothing like

(01:22:31):
hunting.
I and we talk about it a lot,and when it comes to sports, I
don't think there's anything, Idon't care what level of sports
you play, whatever you win, andI imagine, yes, winning the
Super Bowl, the Stanley Cup,it's it's amazing.
Don't get me wrong, man.
Making millions and millions ofdollars is phenomenal, of

(01:22:54):
course, right?
Yeah, but there is nothing likea big buck, a big bear, yeah, a
moose carrot, like even a doe, adoe gets me fired up.
The doe I killed this year, Iyou would have thought I killed
the 150 or 160, by the way.
The way I was reacting, like,yep, you know, being 10-15 yards

(01:23:19):
eye to eye with the black bear,or like you listen, I don't care
who you are, you could be, youknow, the baddest person in
sports.
There is nothing like being inthe outdoors, and I I will I
will happily say that any day ofof the week.
I just I don't know, like I Iwas out today and I got a little

(01:23:43):
frustrated because I I want tokill a like I want more meat, I
want to shoot more, like that'sa goal.
Yep, and things didn't work out.
I saw deer, they didn't come outlike exactly where I thought
they were gonna be, but then Ilook up and it was cloud, it was
cloudy the whole entire day, andthen it cleared up, and you just
see this cotton candy, yep,pinkish orange sunset, and it

(01:24:10):
was one of the most beautifulviews, I think.
Honestly, and I'm like, that iswhy I don't care.
I was frustrated before, butthen I saw that, and I was like,
that right there is worth itall.
Just sitting here since threeo'clock, that was worth it.

(01:24:30):
Yep.
How many people get to see that?
You look at New Jersey, lessthan one percent.
You know, I don't know what thehunting numbers are in New
Jersey or in Wisconsin and NewYork, uh, but in New Jersey it's
less than one percent.
So less than one percent ofpeople get to like, oh yeah,
like I'm driving home.

(01:24:51):
I get to see that.
No, it's way different whenyou're in the woods and you're
and you're in uh you know theoutdoors and you're sitting in a
in a stand or a blind and youjust look up and you just see
the horizon, and you know,there's deer out in the field,
or you know, there's geese orducks flying, and it's like
yeah, this is this is a wholedifferent this is a whole

(01:25:11):
different thing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:12):
Yeah, you know, I look at it as a time to reflect,
a time to slow down, a time tojust breathe.
And if a great you know, warriorbuck comes in and he's gives you
a good shot.
I mean, that's just the icing onthe cake.
But you know, guys, you know, Isay this all the time the older
you get, you don't know how muchtime you got, you don't know how

(01:25:37):
much more you can climb thesetrees and how much more you can
do it.
And I'm telling you, I feel it alot more every year.
I feel a little bit more, alittle bit more.
I'm still a bull, I can manage,but it's not as easy.
I mean, you know, you you couldgo into the wood store three
stands up, be back home, and gosplit firewood till dark or
whatever.

(01:25:57):
Now I'm lucky if I get the standup, you know, and I'm like,
yeah, you know, I'm just saying,but you you gotta pace yourself,
and you'll you'll see as you theolder you get.
I go like a crazy all year.
You know, I did a big job thissummer.
It took me you know a monthreally to complete.
Uh and the only thing that wason my mind was I can't wait to

(01:26:18):
be done, it's gonna be fallsoon, uh, and I can get in the
woods and just uh just be me andjust detune and take in all the
sights and just feel thedifferent temperatures, and you
know how it is, right?
You get it in your stand at liketwo in the afternoon, and the
sun's just hitting on you,making you nice and warm, and

(01:26:40):
there's a slight breeze blowing,and you just kind of like you're
not sleeping, but you're kind oflike just dozing and you're
looking around, and then youhear something.
That I mean, I need that, man.
I need that.
I need I I gotta have it.
It's one of those things, andyou know, until you actually
experience it, if you're not ahunter, you wouldn't get it.

(01:27:01):
But uh I need to I need thatregrouping, and also it's all
also about the camaraderie.
When somebody calls you andsays, Hey, I need help, or you
know, hey, what are you doing?
You want to get together?
It's that thing, it's that bond,and you know what, and then it's
the shows afterwards, the stuffthat we can we share with each

(01:27:23):
other, we teach, and and we passstuff on to people who are
listening.
It's all big ball wax, it justcomes together and it makes it
all worth it.
And like I said, the older youget, when you start slowing
down, you look and you lookback, it really makes a lot more
sense, and it it has more of apurposeful, purposeful meaning

(01:27:46):
to just slow down and enjoynature.

SPEAKER_07 (01:27:49):
Yeah, yeah, and that's you know, for myself, I I
couldn't agree with y'all more.
Um, you know, back in the day, Imean, like Mike, obviously I did
not play the year level ofhockey buddy, but you know,
football and hockey were mypassion since I was a kid, you
know.
So, you know, I was heavy intoweightlifting for a long time.

(01:28:09):
That was my escape from thegrind, you know, well before I
had a family.
Um and now uh sort of likereally just put to your point,
Squatch, about life, you know,being too short and not knowing
how much time, you know, we allhave left on this planet.
Like, and you know, many times,like you know, you were saying

(01:28:30):
earlier, Mike, you know, I'vesat in the stand and gotten
frustrated.
And it's like, man, I'm tired oflike you're excited for all the
stuff you see on social media.
Some of these people are justshooting absolute slobs, and
it's just like you know, noteverybody, you know, has the
opportunity to have family landor you know, come from money,
and you've got hundreds andhundreds of acres.

(01:28:52):
It's just not reality for mostof us.
But like sitting in the standand those times when I've gotten
pretty down on myself andpissed, and it's just like, God,
did I screw this up?
Like, as you know, I've educatedthis buck or whatever, you know,
it's gotta, I can't even believeit.
It's gonna be three years umthis year, right before
Christmas.

(01:29:12):
You know, I lost my dad topancreatic cancer.
And um at times like, you know,it one of the last things I
said, you know, is like I wantedto get one of these big bucks
and hoping he's you know smilingdown on me just to make him
proud one more time, you know.
And but sitting in the stand,it's like just like you know,

(01:29:35):
last weekend.
It was, it was, I mean, Ishouldn't say shitty night.
It was the ability to be doingwhat we love is awesome.
So it's like right there.
I had to stop myself.
It sucks because I didn't shootanything.
I didn't see a deer that night.
However, I look at, you know,kind of what my family situation
and what happened with my oldman, and yeah, to be able to sit

(01:29:57):
there and be like, you know, somany people have it so much.
Worse, you know, we're we'reblessed, we're healthy, we have
you know kids and spouses andwhatnot.
And uh, you know, I rememberthinking to myself, like, this
sucks.
I didn't shoot anything tonight,but you know what?
I get to go home in 20 minutesand I get to walk in the door

(01:30:17):
and see my wife and my girls,and it's just you know, the
whole hunting thing and thestories we all tell, like like
you guys are saying, people whojust you know, you you want them
to become part of it, but unlessyou're doing what we do out in
the woods, like you can havesomebody who's really interested
to hear your story, but theythey don't they truly don't get

(01:30:40):
it until they do what we do.
So yeah, it's just like everyhunt is a blessing, and you
know, just being able to get upthat tree and get out of it
safely and come home, you know,to your loved ones.
Uh so yeah, I just I'm startingto shake.
I can't wait, you know, for therut.

SPEAKER_05 (01:30:56):
Um, that button that that thing is a stud.
Um thick it his mass of isthick.

SPEAKER_07 (01:31:07):
Yeah, he's got stickers all over the place, a
big body.
Um, so we'll see.
We'll see.
I I got another video rightafter that one where he actually
was working, and that's whereI've got uh Gerard stuff on
there, that pre-orbital,whatever, and he was just
destroying that scrape uh earlythis morning.

(01:31:28):
So we'll see.
We'll see.

SPEAKER_05 (01:31:31):
The the I would say my if I was to get one product
from from Gerard, and I I lovethem all, and it's a very the
pre-orbital has become myfavorite hands down, and it's
actually something I gotta Igotta text them because I
because I don't always carrygloves, like I even though I'm
hospital, I should always havegloves, but like I have the gel

(01:31:54):
right now, and sometimes I justdon't have my gloves with me,
and I don't want to touch itwith and not because I whatever,
I just don't want to.
I'm trying to minimize humanscent, so I don't want to take
it and so I need the spraybecause that is something that
no matter what I can carry onme, and if I need us to make a

(01:32:14):
mock scrape, or if I find ascrape that that's something I
can boom spray real quick, boom.
The pre-orbital has become uhhands down my go-to favorite.
If I was to get only one thing,it would be definitely the
pre-orbital.
Um, it's become something thatof how much I've noticed deer,

(01:32:34):
uh all deer use.
Um, and not only everyone thinksit's always everything that's
hanging up here.
I should you gotta geteverything, even the small
little stuff down there, spray,make it look authentic.
And that's why I think somethingsomething people struggle with
is with their mock scrapes, isthey don't make it authentic.

(01:32:57):
Yeah, you know, so I get it aseverywhere I can.
Anything that I think a deer isgonna rub up on, that's what I'm
hitting the the pre-orbitalwith.

SPEAKER_07 (01:33:07):
Um that's the other thing I've noticed with that,
and I you know, I've got the geland the spray up there.
Um, with all the other, youknow, before I connected with
Gerard and you know, startedrepping his brand and everything
with all the other things thattried over the years.
Like the one of the biggestthings, not only one is it, I

(01:33:29):
mean, like you said, Mike, thatpre-orbital is so potent.
If you get just the right thingof wind, I mean, it is strong,
so you can only imagine how farthat scent carries for a
whitetail to to be able to pickup on it.
This shit blows right back in myface, and I'm like, oh, it's a
time.
Yeah, but the the other thingthat I think is most impressive,

(01:33:52):
and I've told Gerard on thephone, is and I remember him
telling me when I got my firstlike rack rope, and you know, he
sent me the paste, and uh andsame thing he said, he's like,
dude, make sure you've got somesurgical gloves on you, yeah.
And uh, but my point like it'scrazy how many rains when it

(01:34:13):
actually freaking does rain herein Wisconsin, but how many
storms or whatever it can gothrough, and you can clearly
tell that they still are pickingup on that on the ground and on
you know your licking branch orwhatever.

SPEAKER_05 (01:34:28):
So that's that's the advantage, that's the advantage
of the pace, and that's why I docarry it with me.
It's just something that like Ineed to remember that like I
just need to carry gloves withme as as and I do, I have it in
my kill, my kill bag, andeverything like that, but like
it's something that I need tostart remembering of like if I

(01:34:48):
need the pace, especially if theforecast says rain, like I need
I need to bring gloves with meso I can use the pace instead of
the spray because the spray youspray it and then it's gonna
rain, and then uh it's like allright, like I need to go back
out there versus, and that'ssomething I don't want to do,
and not because like I just wantto spend as less time in certain

(01:35:12):
spots as as I could, and thepace is definitely going to to
help with that.

SPEAKER_07 (01:35:17):
Yeah, it's almost like the little bit of moisture
actually reactivates it.
Yes, it is kind of what it seemslike.

SPEAKER_05 (01:35:24):
So definitely agree, but boys, we got I mean we could
go on forever, and we have likeI am I'm so good to go.
I I gotta work tomorrow.
Listen, I'm it's it'sinteresting.
Like right now, I am living thebachelor life because Bianca's
on vacation right now for herbirthday, and she comes home
tomorrow.
So the last couple nights, I'vebeen home alone.

(01:35:46):
I've been staying up till likeone, two o'clock in the morning,
just doing like bachelor'sstuff.
So, like, I got no one textingme right now.
Get off the DM podcast, likewe'll come to bed.
So, like, if I if it was up tome, I'd be going until for
another hour or two.
So, we gotta end this here.
It's really the the field notesare only supposed to be an hour

(01:36:06):
the most.
We're at an hour 35.
We all work tomorrow.
I've had a few drinks.
I am I'm I'm I'm ready to go.
Boys, I'll see you guys in thein the next week.
We'll probably stick to the tothe Mondays recording.
Um, it's what we did last yearand everything like that.
But I am looking forward toseeing Squatch finally back out

(01:36:27):
in the Deer Woods.
Yeah, me too.
Looking for forward to Connorgetting his first deer as a as a
member of of Boondocks I meanand Zach too.
Looking forward to that too aswell.
Looking for uh forward to toFrank getting on on some more
stuff and everything like that.
I brother, listen, I I knowafter the year you had last

(01:36:48):
year, it's like why is it going?
But be patient, it is going tohappen.
I think I think you will I thinkyou'll catch fire and everything
like that.
Bear season is right around thecorner.
We hope to have the Wisconsinguys with us next year for for
bear season.
We hope to be in Wisconsin nextyear, but let's not get too
ahead of ourselves.
We're gonna be starting to toplan the our our game dinner and

(01:37:12):
I'll be talking to Bianca in thenext coming weeks, and we'll be
planning our our our thirdannual wild game dinner.
Um, looking forward to that.
But until then, boys, everyone,I hope you guys enjoyed this
episode, and we'll see you guysnext time.

SPEAKER_06 (01:37:32):
Sounds good.

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