Finding Serenity: A Woman's Journey Through Bowhunting

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
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Speaker 1 (00:38):
And then you hear Welcome back to the Garden State
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I'm your host, Frank Mastika.
And you got the old Squatchsitting in and taking it all in
here, as always, and today wegot our very special guest, ms
Christina Rafalco.
Christina, welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Hi, thank you for having me on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
I appreciate you taking the time out and coming
on the podcast.
I'm really looking forward tothis one, so I'm ready to have a
good time, if you are.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
All right, sounds like it's going to be a lot of
laughs.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Oh yeah, it's going to get better, trust me.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
So you know, for the people who don't know you, why
don't you give us like littlebackground story on yourself and
how you got started andwherever you?

Speaker 2 (01:26):
want to start.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Well, 48-year-old single mom too 13 and
12-year-old, which I'm veryproud of Got into archery with
my last relationship about fouryears ago, started out with a
simple diamond bow and targetshooting, loved it absolutely,
just fell in love with thearchery and then, you know, grew

(01:52):
from there, went out hunting acouple times with, you know, my
bow and my bow and, um, I justreally enjoyed like spending the
time in nature and the quietand the peace and being a busy
mom.
If I could turn around and go,I'm going to go hunting and
someone's going to watch thekids, bye-bye.

(02:13):
You guys are always like, yeah,I got to get out in the woods
and away from the old lady, I'mgetting away from the kids, I'm
going too Forget that I'll.
I'm going too Forget that I'llbe out there too.
So, yeah, that's when Ibasically got into it.
And you know, when I firststarted out, it was a small
piece of property behind myguy's buddy's house and we

(02:39):
hadn't set up.
You know, with the sorry, it'sall right, no worries, worries,
set up a ladder, stand.
Actually the funniest partabout this is is, um, I was
afraid of heights, likemassively afraid of heights.
So there's this one meme goingaround, like you know, the guy's

(03:00):
like three feet off the groundin his stand, you know, scared
of heights but wants, wants tohunt.
That was me.
I was like absolutely fearful.
So I had like a 10 foot ladderstand and I was still scared of
it.
Now I climb 30 feet and I'mfine with it, but I went into
the blind a couple of times.
I hate the blind.
I can't say I hate the blindBlind.

(03:22):
You know it's a whole differentshooting experience.
I mean, if you're shooting witha crossbow shotgun or something
of that nature, completelydifferent when you're shooting a
compound.
I mean you got to make sureeverything's like.
You got enough room.
You know I don't have amassively long draw length, but
26 and a half inches, halfinches.

(03:44):
You know I still need that roomtoo.
You know, and I'm, I'm five,I'm 5, 10, so like I need my
room.
You know, even like sitting,you gotta like be up and over,
like so you don't hit the.
You know the ledge of thewindow there.
But uh, yep, I, I got it to theblind and I'll never forget my
first uh hunt it.

(04:08):
Uh, last shot of the day is thatyou know we're getting to the
darkness and this little tinydoe jumps in spots.
Must have just rubbed off onthe tree, turn in the corner and
um shot her and then uh had towait, it wasn't the best shot in
the world tiny target, tiny,you know crappy shot, but I

(04:29):
still took the shot.
Uh, we had to leave.
Her came back about an hourlater.
I'm all nervous, sweating allover the place.
We knew exactly where she waswhen we left her and the place
that we were hunting the privateproperty literally there was a
community around it and then theproperty itself just like, went
back and back and back and andthen people owned different

(04:53):
parts of that property in there.
So, um, we go up to the houseand joe's up there and he goes
well, how'd you do?
Oh, she shot something.
He goes well, where is it?
We got to come back.
So we come back about an hourlater and she must have bled out
in like 30 seconds.
And basically, you know, hefield dressed it, stuffed it in

(05:14):
a cooler.
It was so small.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
I think we've all been there, though.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
You know well it was with some of the freshest
venison you'll ever eat.
You're the tenderest dick inthe world.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
They are tender.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Very tender.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
It's the veal of venison, you know, yep, so kind
of got into it from there.
The blood part never botheredme, anything like that, because
I worked in the operating room.
I was like, you know, I sawmore blood being in there
sometimes.
Um, then I started getting intothe ladder stand and stuff and
we were still in the sameproperty and then, uh, for my

(05:55):
birthday, he bought me ladderstand like a real one this time,
not 10 feet and it was like 20feet up, and we get it all set
up and we get a camera on theproperty, we set up a feeder,
like now I'm really into it,right, yep, and I've been
practicing a lot with my shotsand stuff.
And it got out there a couple oftimes and you know, this buck

(06:18):
came in the one time and therewas a stream Water Me and water
are not ever friends, but anywaythere's a stream and I take a
clean shot on the buck rightthrough it.
I see it right through it.
I get down, he's in a climber.
So you hear him go up, you hearhim come back down and I was

(06:44):
like dude, just stay up, I'mjust going to go check out the
arrow, and then I go overstripping blood.
I'm like all right, clean trailfollowing the trail bucks
laying and he's, like you know,just back off back on it and he
goes in charging it, like youknow, sasquatch, no offense, and
then bumps it and trail lost inthe stream, never to be

(07:06):
recovered again because thatproperty, like I told you went
deep down and back and I wasjust like, oh my god, and I was
just sitting there like my firstbuck gone, just gone.
I think we called uh casey, yeah, yep, and uh, everybody knows
casey mack.
And then uh called him up andhe was just like, bro, I'm tied

(07:29):
up.
And then we called somebodyelse I can't remember who else
we called because it was likemid-season, late fall, and uh,
they couldn't come out eitherand then we just couldn't, we
just couldn't track, and then atthat point we messed up
everything so bad trying to findit.
It was like there was no senseof bringing a dog in, you know.
So it just is gone.

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Um, I think I came back it waslike a week, maybe two weeks
later and whoever owned theadjacent private properties came
in, stole my ladder stand.
Oh, I stole my birthday gift.
Um, put a note, put a note onthe camera, you know, took the

(08:13):
feeder, like just it was like itwas kind of unbelievable, like
my strap was still at the topand my hanger was still up there
, but no ladder stand to be had,went around the woods see if we
could like track anything, puta couple posts up on something
like you know the new jersey bowsites and never recovered, you

(08:35):
know, led to this like series ofpeople giving clues but not
giving clues, and what a hotmess that was.
And yeah, just you know, itreally put a big like damper on
it for me because it was likethis is a fellow hunter, yeah,
and yeah, okay, if we're, ifyou're hunting the same property

(08:57):
or we had permission to huntthat property, you're hunting
the same property.
We work it out.
You know you can go.
You're going this day?
Okay, then you know we'll gothis day or whatever.
You know, like we're puttingfood out, you're putting food
out like work together insteadof like against each other, you
know.
So that kind of brought me intopublic property uh, got involved

(09:21):
in the monmouth uh Park System,got my.
I was on at the privateproperty, I was an apprentice,
so I got my full-on license.
It was after they finallyallowed you to test with COVID.
So I did all the online testingand I couldn't take the actual

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field test because everythingwas shut down with COVID.
So I had to wait till I couldget in.
So the first class they offered,which was out in like Lacey
Road and like Fork River, goinginto.
Like there was one place back,it was loaded and I guess
everybody was waiting like toget there.
So it was the first availableclass open and it was a whole

(10:05):
bunch of people.
I was the first person to go up.
They pulled me.
They're like okay, just startshooting.
I was like, okay, sure, noproblem.
He's like okay, yeah.
And then just that many peopleout there, yeah and uh, can you
hear me still?
Yeah, you're good, okay, cool.
And then, um, can you hear mestill?
Yeah, you're good, okay, cool.
And then got my license, gotonto the public land again.

(10:30):
First we used my 10-foot ladderstick, because now my other one
was stolen.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
So you're back to that one huh, we're back to the
10-foot stand.
But we set it up on a hilllooking down the valley so it
looks like it wasn't 10 feet,but it was 10 feet and everybody
knew it was my sand so I didn'treally know.
But um, went out there, startedreally like you see more.
You're on public land, you know.
But you also see, you know kidsriding atvs, motor, you know

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dirt bikes going through, otherhunters going through.
I'll never forget the one timeI'm out there and this is what I
was telling you as a woman inthe woods.
Okay, first of all, you got toknow, like completely all your
surroundings and who else is outin the woods with you.
And I was always kind of likethe parking lot bitch because,
like I told you, it would belike I had to be able to see my

(11:22):
vehicle, like when it was, youknow, after your last shot, I
want to be able to like get down, be able to see, like hit the
clicker and know my vehicle'slike there, you know.
So I always was like 50 to ahundred yards from the parking
lot and as the trees, leaveswould drop, I would actually be
seeming closer.
But anyway.
I get out there and I'm up inthe stand the one day Now I've

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already dealt with dirt bikes,I've already dealt with some
kids walking through and thenthis guy comes out because it
was a Friday afternoon.
He was going out hunting on aSaturday morning.
Guy comes out, legit, sees mein the stand, walks right
underneath me.
I'm like yo, bro, I'm like I'mup in the stand, walks right
underneath me.
I'm like yo, bro, I'm like I'mup in the stand.

(12:07):
What are you doing, man?
He goes, I got to go bait mystand.
I'm like you see me here, I'mhunting right now, like no
remorse, no, nothing, no respect.
Legit drops his corn you guyslove the rest of the story Drops

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his corn, proceeds to walk backright underneath me, not that
I'm even on the main path oranything.
I jumped my stand and went tohis because I was like hey,
thanks for paying it for methere you go.
I was like you know, what I waslike thanks for paying for me.
Now I'm going out there, hellyeah.
And then that same property,because it was a new property

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for Monmouth County Park Systems.
It was off of White Street,which was like off Route 9, like
the freehold area kind of, andthey opened up that property but
a lot of dirt bikers were in itbeforehand because it was like
a big bowl but there was a tonof deer in there, a ton of ticks
too, but a lot of dirt bikerswere in it beforehand because it
was like a big bowl but therewas a ton of deer in there, ton
of ticks too, but ton of deer,because like the whole center of
it was just like almost openfield so the deer be passing

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through all the time and bigbucks in there even you could
see everything in there.
But it was a great piece to hunt.
But for me I stopped hunting itbecause you know, here I am
blonde ponytail on the back andthese dirt bikers are going by
and harassing me at this pointand I'm just like, oh, forget it
.
You know like I'm out of here.

(13:34):
So I ended up pulling my standout of there, went over to uh
bear swamp, which is, uh, on theother side of what is that?
Manasquan Reservoir.
Yep, yeah, I know a couplepeople who hunt that, yeah, met
a lot of hunters in there and Ibecame like the woods wife.

(13:57):
Nick Santer, he's a big hunter.
Yep, yeah, nick hunted outthere Him and I hit it off.
You, you know, he knew my truck, I knew his.
So, like we always knew, wheneach other were out there, you
always make sure I get back outto the you know my vehicle.
If I was out by myself orwhatever, um, good guy taught me

(14:18):
a lot of tricks too, you know.
Plus, when you're up in thetree, you know you're sitting
there texting each other andstuff.
But at that point I was backinto a 20 foot, so you don't
have to worry about the 10-footstand.
We got a piece through it so itwent up to a 20-feet.
So there, you go.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
We can't see you now.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
I still see my car, though we're just hunting around
now, but I was out there againparking a lot of fish and he
even helped me out, like pickingout a spot, like that kind of
like, had the runs that gothrough it and I legit there was
probably 50 yards off theparking lot and like some of the

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deer that I would see in thereare like absolutely amazing.
That's actually where I got myfirst buck, cool.
But you know, when I reallystarted getting into it it was
at Bear Swamp and I would startstudying the winds and
descending and the moon, and youcan study everything with deer.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
They're just going to do whatever the hell they want
to do anyway.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
And I got really big into the scents.
Though, like you know, as awoman I'm going to tell you the
hardest thing All those scented,de-scented products for your
hair and skin and all that stuffsuck, they all suck.
I can't even comb my hair whenI use that stuff.
But you guys don't even have toworry about that kind of stuff,
but for us it counts.

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But out there, so I got intothe sense like I was saying, and
before I got my buck the onetime I went out there and this
was crazy.
I'm out there and I have thisstupid little button buck and
everybody saw this button buckbecause he literally went to
everybody's stand to go offtheir feet.

(16:03):
Cause he's like literally wentto everybody's stand to go off
their feet and so he's in infront of me one day.
So I started practicing, likeyou know, some blowing and some
calls and stuff and playingaround with that now, because
I'm like all right, I got thebook right.
He's not moving, he can't seeme, he doesn't smell me and he's
just hanging out chewing andI'm like all right, and it's
like the beginning of rut.
So I was like, let me try somethings out.

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And then so I threw out a calland he just like kind of looked
up at me a little bit, likelooked around.
Then he just went right back tochewing.
So I was like all right, let'ssee what else I can get going on
here.
I'm not going to lie to you.
I had the angriest spike I haveever seen in my entire life
come charging out of the woodsat me.

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I mean like he legit looks likeone of those crazy bulls in a
Looney Tunes commercial Becausehe was pissed.
I mean like his coat was superdark.
You'd almost think it was theJersey Devil because he had
crazy spikes.
If he could climb my ladder,stand and beat the shit out of
me, he had the crazy spikes.
He was just he.
If he could climb my ladder,stand and beat the shit out of

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me, he would have, because hewas so pissed off.
He gets all the way out there.
He looks at the button buck,looks at the food, flips his
head up, looks at me and I'mlike, oh yeah, and he just and
gone.
Like I couldn't even grab mybow.
If I wanted to, he would havebeen a prize, but I couldn't
grab it.

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That's how fast he came in andhe was out.
I was just like what the hellwas that?
I'm trying to like explain it.
I think nick was in the woodsat the time and I'm like telling
him what happened.
He's like get out of here.
And because he was down, likedown the trail from me, and he's
like I didn't see anything, I'mlike, dude, I'm telling you,

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this thing just blew in, blewout.
Anyway, I had another friend ofmine, steve Haydu.
He hunts out there too.
Okay, so the day I get my buckand if I'm talking too much, you
guys can just tell me- no,listen.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
no, that's what this show is about.
Go for it.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
So the day I get my buck, it is right after a
Nor'easter, it's, I think, it'send of rut, because it was
getting pretty cold out.
It was right after a Nor'easter.
I was pretty bundled up butlike, still, the wind was still

(18:30):
kind of blowing and get out tomy stand.
Well, first I get pulled to thelot.
I'm like, wow, nobody's here.
I'm like, oh, maybe I made amistake doing this today.
I was like, ah, forget it, I'malready here.
I might as well just go sit upthere.
So go, go sit up there.
So go ahead and sit up there.
I can see my car and I see stevepull in and he had like one of
those electric bikes and he, youknow, went all the way down to

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his stand, baited his littleelectric scooter along the trail
.
I can see, you know, off in thedistance riding back to his car
.
Then he had one of those trainwhistle horns on the car.
He honks as he's leaving.
I'm like dick, you know, likethanks.
And he was like, oh, good luck.
You know, whatever he was a, hewas good guy.

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And then, uh, now I'm sittingin the tree, winds blowing tree
sway.
I'm like getting a littlenauseous but at the same time I
have this, just this drip thatis coming down right between my
like hairline andaiter, and it'shitting the back of my neck and
it's so annoying.
So I get up, take my harnessoff or unhook myself, start

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trying to adjust it up the backof the harness and tuck it in,
and I look out of the corner ofmy eye and there's my buck
coming in and I'm like get thehell out of here.
So now, like, everything turnsinto slow motion and I'm just
like heart's racing and body istrying to move as slow as

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possible.
So he doesn't even see me, he'sjust strutting along all by
himself and, uh, turn around andlike I get myself turned around
and I'm, I'm locked back in.
And then I'm like sitting thereand I'm like you know the real
slow motion, trying to get mybow, and I'm like, okay, he's
still coming in, never liftedhis head, he's just like just

(20:19):
moseying on it and like, andthen he's coming around and
there's, at this point he'sabout 20 yards off me, but
there's a tree in between me andhim.
So, because the tree's there,I'm like all right, it's all
back.
I'm sitting there, drawn, youknow, and he's coming past the
tree and you see the hoof andthen you see the foot, then you

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see the leg, then you see hissnout and then you're like I'm
watching him through my peep,like coming, coming, coming.
I'm sitting there, I'm justwatching and then, like, then
there's the neck and there's theantlers and you're like just
holding the shot and just likeyour heart is racing and you're
just holding position, holdingposition, holding position.
Finally his shoulder starts tocome through the tree.

(21:06):
He's going to quarter away fromme.
The second I had the shoulderin my peep.
I'm watching it, watch it.
It lifted just enough and Ifinally release, hit him with a
heart, shot.
Nice, he uh 20 yards.
I watched the because I it'sthe first time he's using
lighted knocks to switch switch.
Those things are a game changer.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Oh yeah, oh man we love my lighted nocks.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
Oh my God, I'm sitting there, I'm watching the
nock and I'm watching the deerand I'm like you see them go
like bang into one bush, banginto a tree.
And I just see the nock andeverything, because I was like

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my eyes were closed for like asecond because I was on the
parking lot.
Bitch, I'm 50 yards off, likethe main drag there, and I'm
like please don't let me hearcars honking, please don't let
him get back up.
I'm like, oh god, god.
And I'm like freaking out.
I'm like no, no.
And I'm like looking and I seethe knock, I see him down.
I'm like, okay, he's not moving.
Okay, he's still not moving.
I'm like when do I get down acheck?
I'm like, all right, I text, uh, text my guy and you would

(22:09):
think he shot the buck.
And I call him up, like callhim up.
And I'm like, hey, uh, I shot abuck, he goes.
Why?
Like yeah, I shot a buck, hegoes.
See, I told you you should goout today.
I'm like what, dude?
That's not even the point.
And he's like don't move yet.

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Don't move, wait for me.
I'm like, yeah, okay, I'll waitfor you.
I'm sitting there.
I'm like he's still not moving.
I'm like I can't wait for him.
I got to go see what's going on.
Climb down, look at the sightof this shot splat everywhere
and then, as I'm walking towardshim, you could see the blood.
It was like as the heartpulsated.

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The blood was just squirtingout through the arrow.
Nice, get over to him and boom,he's out, he's done, he's
seven-pointer.
Tattooed it on me, even Nice, Idon't know if you can see it in

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the background, but there's hisEuro mount.
Yeah, yeah, you can see him, yep, yeah, and yeah, it was a very
exhilarating.
I'm standing over him and Ihave like tears coming down my
face, because it's just such amoment you know to capture that
face, because it's just such amoment you know to capture that.

(23:31):
And um, I hear, hear my guycoming down the road.
Sorry, pop up, but I turned himoff.
Um, he's honking, blazing onthe horn.
I hear him see all I can seehim coming into the parking lot.
He comes running out to mystand.
I'm not in my stand.
I'm not in my stand.
I'm clearly with the buck.
I'm waving.
He's looking around there.
I'm like, no, you can't see me,I'm in camouflage.

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He just looks over.
He comes running over.
He just sees the bloodeverywhere.
He's like holy crap.
He looks and he's like, oh myGod, that's bigger than my first
buck.
I'm like this is what you haveto say.
You know like what aconversation.

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And he was just so.
He was just so proud, so happy.
I was like thrilled, beyondthrilled, but it is incredibly
emotional, you know.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Oh absolutely it's just like.
Just like how you and him hadthat whole like come on, it's
the same with me and squatchlike every time I shoot one,
he's sometimes I think he'shappier than I am you know, and
he's like, oh nice, and I'm, I'mthe same way with him.
So yeah, I know, I know thatfeeling.

(24:42):
It's a great feeling.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
It is a great feeling and, like, I think that's that
feeling alone carried into why Iwanted to mentor.
Because, yeah, you know, when Idid a couple mentoring hunts I
did, uh, with UBNJ they had thefemale mentoring hunt and you
know she, she's a young lady, 18, probably 18 years old, and uh,

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you know she shot before, butit was nice to be with her and,
like the patience she had, wegot a button buck that day and
she waited, waited, waitedwaited and I was just like go,
boom, splat, done.
You know it was a perfect, itwas the perfect time and I was

(25:27):
proud.
You know, like I was proud forher, I was happy for her.
I think I enjoyed watching herhappiness more than my own, you
know it was really great.
And then I did, uh, anotherhunt with them.
Um, uh, special needs hunt.
Everybody knows lou, so I'msure you know lou too.
And uh, I took lou out, didn'tshoot anything but laughed our

(25:51):
asses off for a few hours.
So you know that was reallygreat and you know I'm lucky to
be with that organization.
They um I've met some reallygreat people in it.
Um, they've really they havehelped me out tremendously.
Like you know, I lost my huntingpartner that was my buddy.
So I had to kind of restartagain and plus I moved out from

(26:15):
Ocean County over to BurlingtonCounty.
So it was a whole change ofvenue for me and that gets the
little.
You know, when you're still inthat novice phase, you know that
gets a little unrattling.
So you try to figure out whereto go because I didn't want to
give up on it.
You know I loved it that much,I did not want to lose that.

(26:40):
So I kept going with it and Igot hooked up with some private
properties over this last seasonand had a great time.
I mean just being out in thewoods and enjoying a couple of
friends took me out as well andjust always great.
I mean there's that and I'msure every hunter knows this,
but there's that one epic momentwhen you're in the woods and
it's right before that sun setsand the whole woods goes golden,
it's quiet and it's golden, andit is unless you're in that

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moment experiencing the quietand how everything just settles
down, like the birds arechirping, chirping, chirping,
and then everything just stopsand there's just that golden
moment in the woods.
I could do that every singleday of my life, I mean that is
just awesome.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
No, there isn't.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
There is nothing like it at all.
I mean, I've seen some funstuff like the fog rolling in.
I think that was this past year.
I'm out there and I'm likeeverything starts getting like
more diminished, diminished,diminished.
And then I'm looking and thefog's just like literally
rolling across the woods and I'mlike, oh, this is gonna be fun
getting out today look, I'm only50 yards from the truck that

(27:47):
one, actually that one, I wasn'tthat one.
I was in there, of course, deep,yeah, I was.
I was on private propertybacked up to state property, so
I was like really in there andI'm like it was like my first
time in there too, and I waslike, oh, this should be epic.
Trying to get out of thisthat's funny.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
That's like when we went up to the farm Frank and we
were out like the second Timeturkey hunting.
It's foggy, like as we'rewalking Out through his field
it's barely Daylight and the fogis rolling in and we hear
gobbles, but we're like theycame from over there.
And then it was overcast and wewere Sitting and.

(28:31):
I started calling birds in andthey were coming from every
direction.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Oh nice.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
It was still foggy and we had a big tom come in and
it hung up because we were on atree line and then he looks.
He's like there's another oneout in the field.
I'm like, frank, we got turkeyscoming in.
I'm like, shoot the damn jigs,we got two tags tags.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, they're literally right in front of us
big one.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
He's like I really want the big one.
I'm like I don't think it'sgonna happen, man, but you know,
but it was like that fog andthat yes misty morning, like
rain that was a great hunt,though, man.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Oh, we had we had.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
I'm telling you, it was so funny.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
He literally sat there for five minutes.
Frank, just please Shoot one ofthe jakes.
They're ten yards away, justpick one.
I'm like dude, I don't knowLike I really want that, like my
heart was Set on like eitherone of those two.
And he's telling me he's likelisten to me, I've shot in

(29:32):
Turkey, and you know, and it'sfell.
And then another one comes Likeit's fine, shoot that one.
First I just I couldn't do it.
And then afterwards I looked athim.
I looked at him and I was likeScott, I probably should have
shot that turkey.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
I'm sure he was like oh dog.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah, I take the.
I like oh duh.
Yeah, I said all right, thattom that you want is like 60
yards man, and I'm like I got athree and a half inch magnum.
I'm like take my gun and, ifit's good, shoot.
And he's like all right.
And there was one time I'm likeand you know, you try not to be
like overpowering and justsuggest things.

(30:13):
And I'm like Frank yeah, bud, Isaid if I was going to take a
shot at that, tom, I wouldprobably squeeze off.
Now you think all right, allright.
And he's like get hunkered downand he's thinking about okay,
this shotgun is a freaking beast.
I told him.
I said put your ass into it,because I said this thing will

(30:34):
knock you over.
I'm like you're not used tothis thing he's like all right.
So I can see the hesitation, Ican see the thought of how he's
gonna go after this bird andthen the bird gets cut off by
like four jakes and they comerunning through and I'm like
shoot the jake.
I'm like just shoot thefreaking jakey.
This is the shit that goes onand we're laughing our asses off

(30:59):
, not only that.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
With turkey hunting too, where they can see every
motion that you're making too.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
He's kneeling down and he's like I gotta move my
legs cramping up.
I'm like, alright, I'll go thisway and I'm trying to film and
we're knocking over chairs andcameras and we're like, thank
God, they didn't hear us becausewe would have been in the shit
if they could hear us, becausewe were making so much noise.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
And he's going, frank , I love you, buddy, but you got
to shoot.
Just pick one.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Just pick one and shoot one, dude.
I'm like, come on, man.
I say now I lived over in tom'sriver so it was easier for me
to just hit the turkeys with thecar, because they everywhere
over there.
Yeah, I've been through theit's yeah, they just like run
right across the road, just likehit the gas pedal and you got
one, yeah easily, You'll atleast get one.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Put it that way At least.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
I mean, I lived over in Silverton and I've never seen
them, like you know, flock intoSilverton before and the one
day I'm like walking like aroundthe corner from me and there's
a group of chicks, and I'm likewhat the heck is going on here,
like you can almost throw a rockat it.
They're just walking along.
Like I'm like this isridiculous.
Out here I've seen a couplelike big toms and you just sit

(32:22):
there and like I'm justfascinated with it.
Now I can't say that Ipersonally went turkey hunting,
but it's something I definitelywant to do and I know it's like
incredibly hard to do with a bow, so yeah, yeah, I mean it was
tough with the gun, but we stillwe.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
you know I got to get my my shotgun license.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
though I've gotten the, I have all the education
courses done.
I just have to go for the test.
I did the apprentice for likethe last three years, which was
great, like on, uh you know, sixdays, I had two tags.
So, yeah, yeah, not that I'vehad any luck with that big time
tag soup this past season for melisten, it was.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
It was a weird year for for some people.
You know, like I was able to ummeet back up with one of my
buddies, believe it or or not.
He used to be engaged to mysister back in the day and me
and him just started talkingagain and found out he only
lived like 10 minutes away.
He had like 200 acres ofprivate you know property.

(33:28):
So you know, I got him back inhunting because he used to hunt
with us and then he he got outof it for a while.
So like he's just getting backinto, he's asking me a lot of
questions, like he wants tolearn.
He goes dude, like this is somuch different from when I used
to hunt with you, like 15, 20years ago.
You know, like there's so muchtechnology, now there's this,

(33:48):
there's that.
He's like if I didn't have you,he's like if I didn't have you,
he's like I would just,literally, probably, just like
you know, shoot him off the barnor something you know like but
uh, yeah, no, the technology isinsane.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
I mean we, when everybody talks about even
storing their, their gear andtheir, their clothing and stuff
at the end of the season, likeyou know.
But the, the scent locks andall the um, that's me.
I'm a big scent freak.
I don't know why you are not.
No, I am not.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Oh, I am too.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Uh, I like my stuff's like on lockdown so I'm like,
if it smells like I'm likethrowing those onyx in it, the
pulled I mean that stuff thatreally does pull the smell right
out of it too.
Yup, especially like you don'teven realize it, like, okay,
like my archery bag alone, likethat'll be sitting in the garage
, that'll pick up like thesmells of the garage and then

(34:41):
your bow has it on it and youdon't realize that because, like
, maybe to you that's a normalsmell.
But the second you get outthere you're like, wait a minute
, this smells a little bit likecar oil here.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
like, oh, no, so I'll usually like, I'll usually just
like store all my stuff in,like you know, like a tote or
whatever, and like I'll put itin back of my truck and leave it
in back of my truck, so it'snot in the house, it's not in
the garage.
You know, and I'll usually, youknow, when I need it, I'll
usually go get it get changedand then go out, but you know

(35:13):
that's during the season.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
I'll like my stuff in the night before, run the
Ozonics in the truck and then itjust pulls the smell out of
everything on there.
So that stuff is great.
You use the Ozonics a lot.
I like to use it with my gear.
Yes, I mean, I know some peoplehave said that it kind of
breaks down the materials oftheir gear.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
So you don't have the one that mounts in the tree
behind you.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
No, I have.
It's called a Scent-A-Way.
It's a grab and throw.
Okay, and you just power it up,put it in there.
It'll run until the batterydies on it and it just pulls the
smell out of everything.
Oh, that's good, yeah, it runs,you can plug it in and it has a

(36:01):
little car one.
But I didn't really find thatthat worked that much, except to
charge something off of it.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yeah, I tried the car one.
I didn't think it was thatgreat.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
No, it's like the little square.
Little square one right thecenter one is the green green
writing on it.
Yep, their grab and go one isreally great, because that's the
one I, that's my go-to.
I'll put that in the truck witheverything and just let it run
and overnight in the truck andthe next morning head out or
next afternoon and it's allready to go.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
That's good no, that's real good to know.
Um, christina, I was gonna askyou that that buck that you shot
um you were using fixed headsor mechanicals.
I was always wondering if youyou got to be a fixed head
person right, yeah, fixed,because I only pull 42.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Well, now I pull 42 pounds.
I think at the time I waspulling maybe like just below 40
.
So with the mechanicals, a lotof them won't pop open until
you're like hitting 60.
So I think the lowest on amechanical is like 50, and you
don't want to take thatopportunity for it to not open
and expand.
No, no.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
No, I'm with you on that one, because I think I saw
that picture on your Instagramwith the arrow.
It was actually like stuck inthe beard.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
It looked like it was a shoulder band right.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
It looked like it was a shoulder.
I was about to say yep.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
But when we field dressed the buck, it was right
into the heart, like right intothe ventricle, so it went
through the one lung, like justclipped like the vena cava, and
into the ventricle so it wentthrough the one long, like just
clipped like, um, the vena cava,and into the heart.
It was part like when Iactually had an arrow over there
.
Got home and I'm cleaning myequipment up and uh, go to like

(37:47):
clean up the arrow and like thislong congealed strand of blood
comes out the middle of thearrow and cause, you know, it
got me even thinking, like youknow, all those times like
people like lose when they'retracking, you know now this is a
shot from the air and it was aclean shot, but that how quickly
that congealed.

(38:07):
You think about like all thesepeople with like the gut shots
and they lose the you know, thedeer, the doe, the buck,
whatever, and they lose it.
Because I mean, if it'scongealing that fast, it's just
like, oh crap.
You know, like I just shot itlike two hours ago.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
We just had our trivia and a lot of the trivia
on the show was, you know,wounded deer questions how you
would react to a shot that wentoff and how you would follow up
with tracking that deer, whichbrought up a really cool thing
that I watched.
I don't know if you know whoDan infall is, but he's one of
the best whitetail hunters.

(38:43):
He's out of the Midwest.
He's been hunting for years andyears and years.
He goes.
Sometimes he goes around withthe hunting public guys on on
YouTube.
I don't know if you've caughtthem but, anyway, he's a very
well-respected outdoorsman.
He was saying how he likes andif he has the room to do it,

(39:04):
stay on a deer.
Just for that specific reason,he wants that deer to pump, not
lay down and coagulate, not laydown and scab over.
It's kind of a marginal hitwhich, yeah, I mean I've been
down both roads because growingup where I grew up we had plenty
of land.
I mean I I've wounded my shareof deer over the years, you know

(39:26):
, and I'm not proud of it.
I'm up.
I get upset over it oh yeah,but yeah, I've always made every
attempt, even days a week, twoweeks after, to try to figure
out what happened, even if Idon't find a deer.
If I do find a deer, okay, it'sa bonus.
But I try to piece everythingtogether like a mystery.

(39:48):
What did I do wrong?
Or maybe I didn't do anythingwrong because I've seen the
resilience in animals to live.
Yeah, okay I've seen bucks Imean literally, I've told frank
this story a nine point buck.
My neighbor and I took it shot.

(40:08):
I shot it nine times, ninetimes with a 35 Marlin.
He shot it twice in the throatwith a 270 at like 10 yards and
that deer finally died and wegot him.
But we looked at each other andwe're like I mean the shots

(40:29):
that I made, they were dead.
Yeah, the shot, I meanliterally 10 yards when I pushed
that deer out of its last bedtowards my buddy yeah, he's not
in the white patch in the throatwith a 270 how is it possible
it hit the ground and it's backup on all four and he shot again
and I'm like, why the hell ishe shooting again, you know?

(40:50):
and I'm like, is it down?
And he goes, it's down.
I'm like, oh, thank the lord.
And you cannot believe theresilience these animals have.
And that's why fred bear saidyou know, you want to chase
animals, you want to be aftersomething, go after a whitetail
buck, it's the most you know.
Yeah, game, I mean they're,they're incredible.

(41:13):
I've had deer, just you hitthem and they die and it's like,
yeah, why is there so muchdifference?
Yeah, and animals and and youknow, it's like you sit there
and you go, man, and that'sthat's the respect part of being
a hunter, when you're out thereand you see how much that
animal had that will to liveyeah, you know, and you do take

(41:35):
its life and maybe you know, youdo find it.
It really humbles you.
You go, man, you know, I mean I, I think, I think about it like
, I'm like if I got hit likethat I'd be screaming, crying,
dying you know, these animals.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
I've seen them walking around.
They're still fighting fortheir life, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
They're so resilient.
I had you know, it's amazing.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Like the one button buck I shot the one time, lost
him Like not today.
I lost him.
I knew I had a good shot on him.
Yeah, he stayed up in my stand,waited like 20 minutes.
It was still early, Nobody wasout.
It was still early, Nobody wasout, it was just me out.
So I was just like all right,let me go see what's going on.

(42:18):
Came around the corner he'sdown.
I'm like all right, that waseasy.
Another time I shot big, bigdoe, Double long shot, but she
still ran off like 100 yards.
I know guys that go sittingaround chatting, like we are
right now, and during the rutthese bucks they're running 200,

(42:40):
300, 400 yards still going andif they congeal in that time
they're still living.
You can have a lethal shot onone of them with an expandable
and they're still gonna likelive through.
They'll do somehow live withone lung if they have to.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Oh, yeah once those endorphins and the hormones are
pumping in those guys oh yeah,it's like some of them are just
like impossible to stop, becauseI remember I shot actually this
eight pointer behind me.
He, uh, I shot him in New Yorkstate door rifle season.
He was about like a hundredyards.

(43:20):
I messed up, I pulled the shot,the first shot I I got shot him
but he did a loop and he endedup actually running right to me
because he didn't know where theshot came from.
So I'm watching him and then hegets like halfway to me and he
didn't know where the shot camefrom.
So I'm watching, and then hegets like halfway to me and then
he just starts walking nice andslow, nice.
So I'm like all right, frank,like calm down, he's not going

(43:43):
anywhere, like he doesn't knowwhere you're at.
He walks within 30 yards andagain I had the 270.
I shot him, boom, he hits thefloor.
Yeah, I'm like, yeah, I startlike cheering all that.
I turn, I turn around and alsohe gets up and he's, and he's
walking again and I'm like noway took I, I ejected the bullet

(44:08):
.
I was like all right, this timeI'm shooting him right in the
shoulder like I'm breaking hisfront legs completely.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Shot him.
See, like I said, broke hislegs.
He I'm watching him run, Hislegs are dangling and he's
kicking only with his back legsand he, just, he gets out about
80 yards and he stops and he'sjust standing there and I'm like
you, I'm like like you gotta beshitting me, like this is the
last bullet I have in the gun.

(44:36):
Yeah, and I was like, well, I'mgonna try one more time.
I put it on his lungs and Ishot him and finally he hit the
floor and that was it.
But I'm like my uncles call meeverybody's like frank, are you
all right?
Like you know, like what'sgoing on?
You took four shots, you know,did you get it?
I'm like, yeah, yeah I got it.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
I don't even I told them, like I don't even want to
talk about it, you know becauseunless you're in the moment,
like people were like, yeahright, like you just obviously
had a bad shot.
No, like you could have aspot-on shot.
I mean that's another thing.
You're hunting in the blind.
You gotta wait for that bloodlevel to like hit the shot.
Yeah, I'm gonna start bleedingout.

(45:15):
I mean, how many people havelost deer shooting out of a
blind?
It's like you gotta be.
Like I don't understand, and Ithink that's where, like I get a
little lost, like with theblind designs.
I mean, like I get the lowprofile and kind of keep you
hidden in there.
Why don't you make a stand upone?
Because it's just easier tolike hit him at that.

(45:37):
Let at least get some kind oflevel on him.
You know, everybody knows, youget a crap shot in a blind.
You're waiting.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
It's a waiting game, yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Especially if nothing bumps it.
I actually switched, like mybow profile, because, like this
one particular spot that I usedto hunt, all the time there was
no trees.
The only way to hunt it was ina ground, blind.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Yeah so I'm like all right, and like the bow.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
I had the axle the axle.
It was so freaking long I usedto be battling it all the time.
So I bought a 28 inch likematthews vxr just for that
reason, and then it figures assoon as I bought it.
I stopped hot in there.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
So but you know, I, you know between the three of
our masterminds, we'll come upwith a design, a schematic for
design for proper blinds.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Yep but yeah, I've been there with blinds man
fighting them and it's, you know, it's a lot easier when you
have a gun.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Yeah, well, yeah.
Plus, I mean even if you'regoing into last shot, you're
losing daylight in there 10minutes before last shot, so
last shot last shot in there.
You know you're just like, andand you're, you're limited what
you can see around you.
I mean, there's nothing worsethan sitting in a blind.
You know there's a deer behindit and you're just waiting and
waiting for it to come in andit's just like, oh my, we just

(47:04):
want to jump out of the blindand be like rambo in it, because
you're just like, this isimpossible.
You just, you can hearbreathing, you could feel a
stomp, you know those are tryingto blow you out because the
deer's right there.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
And you're just like, oh my god, yeah, he's so close,
you can feel them.
You're like yes, you know likeyou can like smell uh the glands
you know, that happened to meone time but, believe it or not,
it was not a freaking deer, itwas a bear.
Oh my god.

(47:39):
Yeah, he came like within likefive years or five years, the
five yards and I was like holyshit, I was you know, like that
was a little too close forcomfort.
That was a little too close forcomfort.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
I can only imagine that would unnerve me.
You're up in Sussex County.
I was biking over in Lafayette.
Behind there on the trail rails, there's that one park.
It's like a soccer field in apark that runs along the highway

(48:13):
, the main drag there, and thenit goes to a cornfield on the
other side of the bike track.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Yeah, so I trout fish that stream a lot.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Oh really, when I trout fish, I'm usually over
Flatbrook and the, the TCS, overthere, down the, the one road
that's a dead end, lead over to206 or whatever that is.
There's a big, big hole inthere.
Everybody probably alreadyknows anyway, Big hole in there.

(48:50):
Go over to Three Bridges, nevermind that other spot, but uh,
but um.
So I'm biking back there andI'm like what is that?
And I'm like looking, we'reflying down the trail.
I'm like what is that bear?
And there's a dude that's like25, you know, feet behind us and

(49:12):
he's like why is everybodystopping?
I'm like there's a dude that'slike 25, you know, feet behind
us and he's like why iseverybody stopping?
I'm like there's a freakingbear and he's like he.
He literally just turned aroundand took off.
He was gone.
And then I'm looking, I'm likewhat are we gonna do?
And uh, okay, so we keepwaiting.
Like a minute or two didn't seeany activity.
Bear was kind of the small size, like cub size.

(49:34):
So I was like, oh, this is justno good, just start biking
again.
And there was Mama Bear.
Now we're caught between twobears and I'm like we should
have turned around when theother dude turned around.
And he's just sitting therelike ah, and all I can see is

(49:55):
the movie Like big bear, chaseme, yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Yeah, yeah, all right .

Speaker 3 (50:01):
So, uh, he turns around and he just like that's
it and he just takes off and I'mlike dude and I'm like it's not
fair.
You've got a 29 inch radius onyour tires.
I'm 27 inches back here andhe's like holes ass takes off on
me.
I was like peddling his fencelike good to get out of there.
You're just like, oh god,another story for another time.

(50:23):
Those bears and the bearpopulation, like you know, they
stopped the hunt for so longthat the population went bananas
and the bears all they did wasread, you know, populate in
other places now.
Oh yeah, bears popping up inlike at the beach and stuff and
it's like, yeah, yeah, they'resurfing, yeah, exactly.

(50:46):
They're like they're over at ayou know IBSP playing with the
foxes.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Now you know it's a good clamming over in Barnegat.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
I know you said, christina, bear hunting was
something that you were lookingto get into right, yes, yes, I
would love to get into a bearhunt, get the experience of it.
I know that going out bow-wise,you need a group of people.
It's not something I woulddefinitely do on my own, no way.
And now, bow wise, you know youneed a group of people.
It's not something I'lldefinitely do on my own, no way.
Um, not, I think, so much asfor fear, but as for like I

(51:21):
wouldn't want to screw it up.
You know what I'm saying.
Yeah, like I, and plus it'd besomething that I'd be new at.
So I would definitely want,like a group of young buddies,
go out with and and do that.
Plus, like your bear meat someof the most delicious meat that
you can ever eat, especially ifthey're blueberrying up on you.
So, yes, that's what I hear.
So, yes, I did want to get intoa bear hunt.

(51:43):
So if anybody has an, openingcool, listen, we always.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
You know, I know um, like our one guy, mike, he
always likes to go down to um.
He goes down like by blackriver and everything.
He bear hunts down there a lot.
I joined him a few times downthere last year.
But uh, yeah, I mean listen, ifwe get a bear hunt going, you
know the invite's always there,I'll let you know.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
And if you want to come out and try.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
You know, at least you have more hands to help drag
and everything.
Because I know like I've nevershot a bear with a bow before,
but I've killed one with withthe shotgun in jersey so I know,
yeah, bow, hunting a bear, youknow is, uh, it's different it's
a group it's a, it's a groupeffort and you're.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
You're not up in trees, you're not in blinds,
you're on the ground, hidingbehind like a rock and a tree so
it's about as as raw as it getsand and the kill zone's a lot
different on a bear too.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
A lot of people are like oh, like you know some
people who don't know like I'vetalked to people and they're
like oh yeah, you just aimbehind the shoulder.
I'm like no, I'm not on thebear like it's like just think
like middle, middle, basically,you know yeah, people are like
oh, the bigger the target, no,it doesn't work like that with a
bear at all, you know, and thelast thing you want to do is

(53:06):
piss a bear off, especially witha bow.
You've got to go in there andlook for him afterwards.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Not even that you have to reload and pull back.
He could be on you at thatpoint, if you're really thinking
about it, you're going to get aclean shot.
That is a tiny window.
Even though it's a big target,it's a tiny window.
You're going to have to be 20,20 yards, 30 yards off of it.
That's.
That's nothing in bear runningtime, that's like two seconds.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
You know, like I've always seen bears in the woods
too, and they're they'reconstantly moving.
Like you never see one stop forthat long to make like a good
shot, especially with a boat,like they're always constantly
moving they're usually pulling.
They're usually pulling downyour bags oh, yeah, yeah, or
they're touching my shit they'rein your cooler, in the back of

(54:01):
your truck I'm like oh not againyou gotta see christina,
because we share trail camerapictures with each other.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
He's like yeah, look at this asshole.
He gets like.
This asshole just ruined my set.
I'm like, hang it higher, man.
He's like I did.
It's like 10 feet off theground he's climbing, he's
bending.
I'm like I don't know, man,Bears are pain in the ass.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Bears are.
They are their own design.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
They are.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
They are their own design they are, they are.
They are like, they aredesigned for just about anything
.
I mean they, they starvethemselves.
I mean, if you really thinkabout bears, they starve
themselves all winter long.
They feed right up until theystarve themselves and put
themselves down.
Like temperatures here havebeen too warm for them, like
like the last couple years, andthat's why the population took

(54:50):
off.
But you know, you're sittingthere and they're like, they are
designed to suffer the worstpossible conditions and survive
in them.
I mean the claws on them, theclaws, I mean their teeth, the
incisors of them.
I mean they are just designed,the fur on them, the claws,
their teeth, the incisors ofthem.

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I mean they are just designed,the fur on them.
I mean unbelievable.
I mean they're a beautifulanimal.
They are a reckless animal.
I mean people that sit thereand they're anti-bear hunts.
Well, have you ever been mauledby a bear, or a family member,
or your garbage or your housebroken into Like bears?
Don't stop.
There's no barrier to a bear.

(55:31):
What do you?
No, you don't do that bear.
They don't hear you, dude, youknow, you can yell scream, do
whatever.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Most of the time they just look at you and like what
are you going to do about it?

Speaker 3 (55:41):
yeah, you know like what do they say?
If you do run into a bear, yougot to make yourself bigger than
the bear.
You make yourself bigger thanthe bear.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Make yourself bigger than the bear and a black bear.
If it comes at you, you canfight it.
If it's opposite and you're atgrizzly country, play dead.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Oh, forget it.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
You're a grizzly country.
That's a whole different beast.
Over there they don't play.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
No Real quick story about a bear hunt that I was on.
I was hunting with my recurve.
I went up to hunter mountainhunter mountain, where the ski
lodge is.
We my cousin lives up there, soI show up.
He's like you're using that.
I'm like yeah, he was, can youhit stuff with it?
I'm like yeah, it's like allright, he goes.
You know we're going after bear.

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I'm like I'm not afraid, dude.
He's like all right.
I'm telling you I was in avalley like this, like yeah,
yeah just like this.
I came over a log and the bearcame over a log on the opposite
side of the valley.
It was coming right at me andand I had I.
There's no way I'm not pullingthe bow back, shooting a bear

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that's facing me because itsreaction is going to freak train
over the top of me my onlyinstinct was to take the bow up
over my hands.
And I'm going ah, you know likethat hands up and I'm like, oh
my god, and this bear ischomping its teeth at me and I'm
like, oh shit, this thing ain'tbacking off.
So I did it again and I waslike swinging the bow back and

(57:07):
forth I'm like I'm yelling at itand yeah it booked and I was
like, oh, thank god, because Iwas like.
I was like I, you know, I canhold my own, but I was like not
against a freaking bear.
Bears are just now.
I'll throw you yeah rag doll,you know yep yeah I was just
thinking.
I'm like my next thing was Iwas gonna pull an arrow out of
the quiver and just use it likea spear and just like poke it in

(57:29):
the face or you know whatever.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Try it.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Just send it off they snapped their teeth.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
They snapped their teeth, man, and I was like oh
he's pissed.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Yeah, you're in trouble when they do that
usually.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
And like a year later , up in the Catskills I was
hunting up in the one spot we go, spot we go, and it was first
light and I saw somethingwalking directly up under and
I'm talking that steep, oh wow,bear.
And I'm like, all right, I'mshooting.
I never shot a bear before and Ihad to write it was opening day
of deer season okay I pull thehammer back, I shoot when he's

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like parallel to me up the hill,it comes tumbling down.
I'm like, oh shit, I didn'tthink about it.
He's just coming down and I'mgrabbing my 45 off my hip.
But I'm also like grabbing mygun again.
I'm like, no, you better grabyour 45 because it's going to be
close quarters shit.
Here I'm behind this big blowdown on the side of this ridge

(58:24):
and it goes wham and it hits thetree like right next to me and
it goes wham and it hits thetree like right next to me and
it goes whoa, and I got the .45full cocked and I'm just like,
I'm like a little scared girlkid, you know I'm going.
Oh shit, is it dead, oh God.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
Bear's breathing his last breath.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
I'm thinking back, I'm going.
Well, I know they do the deathbone when they die, but that
sucker literally did it on theopposite side of the log, where
I was sitting.
I got the hammer back, I comearound the tree and I'm like,
hey, buddy, are you dead?
And he's not moving.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
And I'm I'm like, oh, thank god he's dead because you
know what he did when he wasdoing that stuff.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
He's like man, you're an asshole yeah, yeah, man, you
talk about like just I nevereven.
It never even crossed my mind.
I've got 185 pound bear uphillfor me when I going to be dead
weight and come tumble.
It didn't even cross my mind.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Yeah, you forgot that whole day in science where they
went over gravity and stuff.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
You forgot all about it.
That day I wasn't there.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
I skipped that day.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Sir Isaac doesn't know anything I was working a
lot drinking C-2007 with myfriend.
It was something day.
Sir isaac doesn't know anything, you know it was, and I'm like
I, just like I was like oh mygosh man, I'm like that was
freaking incredible well, Icould only imagine it was a
mountain.
It was a mountain bear, so itdidn't get into garbages and

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stuff.
And my grandfather was abutcher so he taught all us kids
and everybody how to cut meat.
So I always do my own processing, but I never did a bear before.
I'm like all right.
Well, it can't be too muchdifferent than a deer.
Just follow the muscles, youknow.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
They do look a little strange when they're naked.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
They got forearms, like naked you're like they got
forearms.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Like you know, I got they're like this and I'm like
I'm like, damn, they look kindof like human.
I'm like, ah, that's weird.
I'm like I don't know, you know.
And then, but I just cut it upquick, but I'll tell you I
cooked it up.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Yeah, oh my gosh, it's so good, so good I can only
imagine, I have not said, I cansay I have never had it, so but
yeah I've been told we gottatry this year yeah, yes, I gotta
get out there, definitely, Ithink the biggest bear I saw in
in uh the wild was off of a wallpack 300 pound black bear just

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just leisurely walking acrossthe field and there's like all
these people trying to get closeand take pictures.
I'm like I am literally watchingstupidity happen in front of my
eyes I'm like what is wrongwith these people?
it's like watching a freighttrain too, because I'm just
sitting there and I'm like, whyare they getting so close?

(01:01:31):
This is a wild animal.
I'm like, oh my God.
And of course, now we'resitting there watching it, but
then, like you know where the uh, archery range no, yes, that
wall pack is, yeah, yeah, bigopen field in there.
And then you go back throughthere, yep, yep, that's where

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the bear was coming across.
So now you know that one, thatone dirt road that leads back to
the archery range.
Back there is all packed upwith people and no one can get
through and the bear is gettingpissed off.
And I'm like this is a greatspot to be.
You know like there's nowhereto turn around.
There's a.
You know like, where are wegoing off the cliff?
Yeah, oh my God.
So people just crack me up.
It's like it's a wild animal,folks.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
And anyway, you were saying something before Go ahead
.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
I just was going to ask you about your equipment.
What, what company boat do youshoot?

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
I am shooting right now a carbon rose bow tech uh
love that one um I'm still using, uh, my, uh, red.
What is it?
Red magnums or mike bush?
You guys know mike bush, myblessed soul, is not with us
anymore, but uh, he made myfirst set of arrows for me.

(01:02:47):
I still have some of them left.
He front-loaded them.
My favorites to shoot, though,are the FMJ's Full Metal Jackets
.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Love that.
I was shooting them for a longyear.
I actually just switched overto Warhead arrows, but I was
shooting those for a coupleyears.
They're solid arrows.
They're real good arrows too.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
I like the way they shoot and the way they fly.
I, you know, had a couple ofthem.
I thought I wouldn't get more,but uh, you know a couple of
them and they're, they're greatarrows.
But yeah, I shoot the carbonrose.
I love it Absolutely, love mybow.
Uh, if I go to change it, Idefinitely want something with a
double cam, just for a littlemore stability, okay.
But you know, other than that,I mean when I was at the

(01:03:30):
military response, uh,responders shoot.
Not too long ago, um, like thelittle girls came up and they're
like, oh, can I see your bow?
Like they're all excited aboutit because it's a yellow purple
on it and stuff, and it wasreally cool, like I.
Like they came up to me, likewe're checking it out and stuff,
like it's, you don't meet a lot, I guess, female hunters out

(01:03:56):
there.
I know they do.
Yeah, we definitely need more ofthem and there's a group,
there's a good group of them, ahandful I would say that are
really into it with UBNJ.
I know there's a few peoplethat I follow on Facebook and
Insta that are in into it withubnj.
Um, I know there's a few peoplethat I follow on, uh, facebook
and insta that are in it as well.
Names escape me at the momentright now, but, um, you know, I

(01:04:18):
I admire their, their, and youknow as much as hunting is a
brotherhood, you know you guyswelcome sisters into it very
easily and it turns into areally solid community.
I mean, if I ever have aquestion, I could just you know,
text anybody and just be like,hey, I got a question about this
broadhead, or you know, uh, myfletch busted, or you know

(01:04:43):
whatever, and everybody's likesuper cool about stuff you know
know they help me out a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
That's him right there.
He's called me at like aquarter on a hunting night and
he's like Squatch and I'm likeyeah, I'm like okay, listen,
calm down, we're going to getthrough this.
And then, you know, the nextday I'll be out hunting and I

(01:05:12):
have something go on, and youknow we're we're like each
other's, like you knowpsychology sounding boards.
Yeah, yeah, literally you arebecause it's like, and it's what
keeps us sane, with all thestress that we go through while
we're hunting, and and not thatit's like bad stress, it's fun
stress, because, yeah, we're outthere having fun doing it.
But him and I like it does youknow, even if we're working and

(01:05:36):
like I know he's hunting, oreight o'clock, what the frig is
he doing?
Why hasn't he shot anything yet?

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Yeah, what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Dude, did you see anything yet?
Well, I had one close but noshot.
I'm like damn it, you know.
And then we're alwaysconstantly like going back and
forth.
But, like you said, it's a nicebrotherhood, sisterhood thing,
you know, of being able to reachout and say, hey, you know what
, Try this.
And he's having something goingon with his bow right now.

(01:06:08):
We were just talking a littlewhile ago, before the show
started.
And I was Giving him some stuffjust to check out, look at and
everything, because I made hisarrows for Him up and you know
Whatever, but I used to set Bowsup and Whole nine yards.
I do, I do a little bit Ofeverything, but you know, it's

(01:06:29):
nice.
It's nice like, like goes, ohman, I'm sorry to buy it.
I'm like, oh, dude, you're notbothering me, man, it's, it's, I
enjoy it.
You know, and I'm a little bitolder than a lot of the guys
that we hang out with and stuff.
So it's, you know, they theykind of like, they know I've
been around, they know around,and oh, I can do this or do that

(01:06:56):
.
I already got the experiencewith it and if I don't, I'll get
you an answer.
I'll find it, I'll get somebodythat I know that can help you
but yeah, I mean jeez, you know,if you've got questions reach
out to us.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
We, yeah, absolutely no.
That's super awesome and Iappreciate that.
I always wondered this andmaybe I could bounce off you
guys now, like, uh, and maybe Ican bounce it off you guys now.
I swear it's after six daysthat the big bucks all go
nocturnal.
It's like they get chased,chased, chased, chased went
through the rut and then all ofa sudden they're just nocturnal.

(01:07:20):
You'll see them all and thengone right after six days.
As soon as you start pushingthem through the fields, that's
it.
You lose them.
It drives me insane.
Do you guys have any advice howto pull that buck out of?

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
being nocturnal, it's hard it all depends on the
pressure yeah yeah, you knowgood, because I mean.
But my biggest thing to tellyou, if it's heavily pressured,
you got to think like a deer.
You got to imagine it'ssomebody walking around in your
house and you like it's dark.

(01:07:58):
Imagine your house is just dark, right, you got no lights on,
but you know somebody's in yourhouse.
You've got that sixth sense.
I know they're downstairs, Iknow they're over in the corner.
Okay, so imagine a buck, anybuck, a buck that's three and a
half years and older is going toturn into that monster that

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goes and says, okay, I've hadenough of this scent, I've had
enough of this noise.
I'm not moving until I canabsolutely positively be sure
I'm not going to get shot withsomething and it's funny to say
it that way, but it's in realityis how they break it down so
what I?
Would tell you okay is, huntedges of bedding in the thickest

(01:08:43):
of the thick gotcha and get inthere early and hang your set
high.
Play the wind Not 10 feet.
Oh, no, I'm still here at fivefeet off the ground.
That's okay, that's okay, butget near those places, and I had

(01:09:05):
a situation that happened to me.
The property was 100 acres,acres.
It was a lot of pressure aroundit.
We were just four guys on 100acres and I I was like seeing
the bucks, but then I wasn'tseeing them.
Same thing.
The pressure got to them.
I said, okay, gotta get my lazyass out of the stand.
I gotta go into the thick, thethickest of the thick.
Yeah, I'm gonna get myself in acorner of a rock wall and a

(01:09:28):
tree on my back, you know, justto rest up against and I
guarantee it that I know thatbuck is gonna come out of that
thick stuff right at last light.
You know, I'm here to tell you.
I heard sticks breaking,everything else, and he came
right out in front of me about10 yards and I shot him.
Wow, wow.
So you, even if you walk in toa thicket bedding area, a deer's

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reaction when they're underpressure is to lay still and not
move, because their bestdefense is thinking that you
don't see them yeah and a lot ofpeople make a mistake when
they're doing deer drives.
They, they constantly move and Itell guys, don't constantly
move, stop, because even if youdon't see the deer while you're
driving, that deer sees you,because, just as you know, if

(01:10:18):
you're sitting in the woods andsomebody's walking to you, they
can't see you.
You can see them way before youcan A deer does the same thing.
So get yourself in a positionGet in, you may bump him, he may
go 20 yards and lay back down.
He doesn't know what you aremaybe you're a squirrel or
another deer, but that's onething I can tell you is just

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imagine you're being chased downyourself.
You're not going to go hide inthe open, you're going to hide
somewhere thick that you can seewhat's coming in towards you
and you can have an escape.
If you can get into someplacelike that early, even if you
blow your cover and you set upand you wait till that golden
light Remember we were talkingbefore that everything settles

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down.
That buck is going to get upand curiosity is going to get
the best of him.
He's going to say I wonder whatcame in there before?
And I hunt, Frank will tell youI hunt the thickest Of the
thick.
Where I am, I'm in an oldorchard and I just Bush hog
lanes.
In there I also have fourbeautiful rabbit Beagles that I

(01:11:22):
Used to run in those woods.
That's why the trails Are cutthe way they are.
I don't run them anymorebecause they're older.
But my deer land is the same wayand I've gotten in my stand
because there's no leaves on theground, it's just old, thick
orchard.
Yeah, and I'm quiet and I'llwatch the deer get up and I'm
like son of a bitch, I'm likethey didn't hear me come in and

(01:11:44):
I watched that deer get up infront of me, hit a run circle
and come right down the lanethat I mowed, yeah.
So that's why I'm saying yourbest bet, when there's a lot of
pressure, think of where youwould go.
What would I do if I was beingchased?
What?
How the hell would I get awayfrom something and lay still
till I know I can get up andmake a break for it and then get

(01:12:08):
yourself a setup and sit likethat.
The only other thing I can tellyou that from my experience of
40 something plus years, is gowhere people ain't.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
Even if it's a half an acre, it only takes 25 yards
10 yards to kill a deer Gotcha,watch my houses, they'll bed
tight to houses.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
If you've got a friend, that's say like it's an
adjoining property where there'sa lot of pressure, stay close
to that house.
You may.
You may be 10 or 15 feet insomebody's backyard where the
wood line hits and you set up inthere.
You'll kill a buck because he'sstaying close to the houses,
because he knows the pressure'snot there.
I went too deep.

(01:12:57):
I went too deep.
I was going to my stand, I wasgoing too deep and I, by a spoof
, I saw the buck behindsomebody's house and I'm like
you're staying shallow, buddy, Igot your number buck behind
somebody's house and I'm likeyou're staying shallow.
Buddy, I got your number and Iand I figured him out, but just
just try to put yourself in thatdeer situation.
You're not gonna the five and ahalf year olds if they know,

(01:13:20):
something's up.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
Good luck yeah, exactly I know exactly what
you're saying too, because, likeuh, the, where we live now,
there's a.
There's a tree line that runsthe back of the houses and a
giant open field and it goesinto an airport uh field and I
and I watch them.
I have watched the the deerlike all, like my, my target

(01:13:43):
buck is out already in velvetand I'm like looking at it.
I'm like I'm watching you,buddy, you're watching the times
.
I'm watching when you're moving, I'm watching how you're moving
and I'm like looking at it, I'mlike I'm watching you, buddy,
you're watching the times, I'mwatching when you're moving, I'm
watching how you're moving andI got my eye on them.
So I'm hoping this year I getthem last year if you do, you
gotta send me a picture.
I want to say believe me, I'llbe sending everybody.

(01:14:04):
And a final thought, foreverybody too, is that this full
moon that's coming up tomorrowis the buck moon.
So this is a time for growthand and intellectual uh, for the
uh, wellness and stuff likethey're.
They're getting into their.

(01:14:26):
You know phases now where theirantlers are going to grow.
You know they're going to getbuffer, so it's an exciting time
.
I love this time of yearbecause you know you start
seeing those antlers growing andit is exciting to see what's
coming out of the woods.
Oh, today driving home I pickedup my daughter from a softball
clinic and we're going by theone field and I said is that a

(01:14:49):
buck?
Like literally stopped the car,is that a buck?
It's just like three or four ofthem in a real close proximity
of me.
And uh, she's like no, it isn't.
I said.
Then it lifts his head, shegoes, yeah it is.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
I was like don't ever lie to me again yeah, but I was
just going to piggyback off ofwhat Squatch said real quick too
, what I noticed, especiallylike up here by me, when they
get, when the bucks get, a lotof pressure, especially after
six day, I'll hunt the thickstuff, like Squatch said, and

(01:15:29):
try to go where there's nobody.
I agree with him on that.
For me up here I've seen mostof my big shooter bucks right
before christmas, like that weekright before christmas eve yeah
, and they usually walk anywherefrom one o'clock until dark, so

(01:15:50):
a lot of times I won't evenhunt the morning.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
I'll get in there like around noon and just sit
and wait and I've seen more bigbucks like that yeah, every time
that I've seen a big buck orhad one come in on me I mean
another time when I was huntingbear swamp, I all as I literally
just got in the stand it waslike 3 30 in the afternoon I

(01:16:14):
just climbed my ladder stand, Ijust put, hung my bow down,
getting myself nestled in, andthen I had this tiny doe jump in
on me and I hear it behind herand I'm like, no way, I don't
even have my nothing's.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Nothing is ready, nothing is ready and I'm just
looking at her and I'm just andI'm sitting there and I'm
looking at her and she doesn'tsee me.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
She's not picking up on me, nothing like that.
She's just chewing away and I'mjust like, okay, I hear him and
I know I can't even move, Ican't even flinch.
I know it because he stoppedand I'm like, and I'm sitting
there and it was a waitingcontest and I finally went like
to like the little lean back,turn and he's looking right, the

(01:16:58):
man like eight pointer, twobeautiful golden eight pointer,
just staring at me on publicland, and I'm like no one's
gonna believe me no one's gonnabelieve me that this happened.
I literally got down after theyleft and just left for the day.
I was like screw this I'mordering a pizza I'm going home.

(01:17:18):
Yeah, right, it's like I don'tknow.
I enjoy it so much and I reallylove getting out there and I
hope there's like a lot ofladies that want to get out
there too, you know, yeah no,absolutely.
I agree we all got startedsometime I go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
Are you, are your kids um big into hunting as?

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
well or no.
My daughter is expressing a lotof interest in it.
She's uh tied up a softballright now.
She got involved in that and uh, I've actually coaching with
her, so I don't know how I'mgonna manage all this this fall,
but this should be fun a littlechallenge.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
Listen, we always find a way to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
Yeah, exactly and then, uh, my son.
He is getting into the archery.
I took a little step back.
He's going to a coding camp forRoblox, so he's really excited
about that.
But hopefully after that's doneand that's wrapped up, he's
going to get back into it.
Rick going with UVNJ and theSBA League.

(01:18:27):
They all were kind of workingwith him and trying to get him
on board.
He likes it.
He's been shooting with my dadthe rifles.
He's got it in him.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
He's got it in him.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
He loves getting out there shooting the .22 and stuff
it's in him.
That's what it's all about,exactly Back to 4th of July
weekend.
What does the family do?
He loves getting out thereshooting the 22 and stuff.
So it's all about Yep, exactly,In fact, the 4th of July
weekend, what does the family do?
I had a game what was it?
Sunday morning I'm playing withthe military group A beer

(01:19:05):
league, softball, and so I playon the mornings and then they're
all're all like are you goingto come by?
Afterwards I was like, yeah,I'll come by.
I said I've got to go meet myfamily over at the range.
We're all shooting today.
They're like what?
I'll be over after?

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
Good old.
American fun.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
That's what it's all about.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
Hey, Christina, we're reaching that point in time,
but I appreciate you coming onand talking hunting.
We got to definitely get youback on because you're a blast,
Sounds great.
And I know you're going to haveway more stories.
I can't wait to hear them.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
There's still more stories I didn't even tell today
.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
I'll get you back on and we will tell more stories.
I promise sounds great, I can'twait well, last thing, um, is
there any advice that you wouldhave, for you know, like women
that want to get in the hot endor anything like, can they reach
out to you if they'reinterested?

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
absolutely, oh absolutely, absolutely.
They can hit me up on Instagramcjr.76.
Drop me a message.
My advice is don't be shy.
Ask questions.
You know you're not going tolearn, you know, by not asking.
You know I'm not a shy person.
I do ask a lot of questions andbe friendly with the people

(01:20:29):
that are hunting the woods withyou.
You know there are a lot ofgood guys.
Hunters are a different breedof man.
I think you know we're all outthere for a purpose and a
respect of nature and it's notlike the dating world.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
That's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
But you know the guys are different and they like to
share knowledge and you know Ifind, as a female hunter, that
they want you out there, youknow, to experience it as well.
You know there's not.
You do have some of yourolder-fashioned people that you
know that hunting's a man'ssport, but I find a lot more men

(01:21:13):
to be more responsive to me outthere.
You know, especially when I washunting the public land, you
know I was, like I said, thewoods wife.
So they all had my back.
Nobody would leave until theyknew I would back out in my
vehicle.
I was safe.
You know we'd sit out there andtalk afterwards if anybody saw
anything and we all had eachother's numbers in the woods,
texting and such.

(01:21:33):
So it's a lot of fun to get into.
It's a respectful sport.
At times it is difficult.
There's a lot of stuff to learnand I commend the females that
are out there getting it doneand I welcome all other females
to get involved in it as well.
You know it's there's plenty ofdeer to go around plenty of

(01:21:56):
deer.
The population just seems tokeep growing and growing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
I can't wait for like .

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
New Jersey to open up Sundays that we can hunt
Sundays, you know?
Yeah, I know, I just passedPennsylvania.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
They just passed it in Pennsylvania.
They just passed the bill.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
You can hunt Sundays.
Yeah, I did hear that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:13):
yep, yep that's great , so hopefully New Jersey
follows suit, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
So it's all about this anyway, it's all about the
money for them.
Well, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
They get us with our money.
Of course they do.
I mean how many many seasons wegot to sign up for and how many
permits and such.
So yeah, they get their moneyout of it.
Yeah, so I'm sure if they putsome kind of spin on it for
sunday permit people be signingup for him paying for of course
they would so, christina, thankyou again having me.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Listen, good luck this season.
Like I said, I'll keep in touchtoo.
I want to know everything thatgoes on.
I'll let you know what goes onand everything, so especially
deer or boondocks hunting.
You can always just check ourpages and everything we post
everything anyway.
Yeah, I've been followingPerfect.
What about you?
Squatch Any last words?

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
I hit you following Perfect.
What about you?
Squatch Any last words.
I hit you up on Instagram, soif you got any questions, follow
me back.
You can always hit me up onthere.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
Sounds great, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Check out my YouTube channel Outdoors and More with
the Squatch.
There's some cool videos youcan watch.
Frank and I yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
I'm in man.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
You two yelling at each other to shoot turkeys you
know, as always, uh, you know,on Sundays and Tuesday nights I
do the whitetail advantage.
Check us guys out on there.
It's a, it's a hoot, you'lllove it.
And uh you know, also with Mikeand Frank on the uh boondocks
in the garden state.
Outdoorsman, pleasure to meetyou.

(01:23:47):
Thanks for coming on Greatstories.
It was really a nice time.
I enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
Thanks guys, I really enjoyed it too.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
I appreciate it, christina, but I just want to
give one quick shout out Well,actually a couple quick shout
outs to our sponsors, for here,with Gilly Puck, we're always
trying to use those.
We got Moultrie peck's honeyand give buckshot taxidermy a
shout out too.
He, he does all my work.
He's been my taxidermistforever up here in sussex county

(01:24:18):
, so you can just give him aquick look and he does awesome
work.
So we appreciate it, guys and,like I said, christina, we're
gonna get you back on.
We got a lot more stories totell I hope you guys enjoyed
this episode and we'll see youguys next time.

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