Inked Ambitions and Wild Pursuits W/ Neil Harp

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(00:59):
Welcome back to the garden.
State outdoors of podcastpresented by boondocks hunting.
I'm your host, mike nitring.
Let's get ready to dive intotoday's episode and always
remember to chase the unknown.
And today we have Neil Harp,aka he goes on Instagram the
outdoor artist.
Welcome to the show.
Hey guys, what's up Now?

(01:21):
I found you.
Honestly, one of the things thatthat made me follow your page
was, first of all, I lovetattoos.
I wish I want to have moretattoos.
You know I work child psych, so, um, I haven't really
completely done the arms yetlike I have, uh, this one for my
, for my best friend that passedaway and everything like that,
and I got a few here and there.
But I get cut up a lot and ifI'm going to spend the time and

(01:44):
the money on my sleeves andeverything like that, the last
thing I want is my patientsdigging their nails into my skin
and everything like that, whichdoes happen.
So I've played the slow game.
But I saw your um, it was yourone of the cups and the uh, the
flask that you had, and I thinkthat was like one of the first

(02:05):
pictures that I saw and I waslike, wow, like that, that's
really amazing.
Like that, that's, that'spretty cool.
And I dove into the page and Imean just absolutely the, the
artwork, everything like that,you know, is just astounding.
So how did you like, how didyou get into this?
Like, give us the quickbackstory of how this all came

(02:27):
about so I got into hunting late.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Um, I mean, I started when I was like 12 the legal
age to hunt here in pa I'm notsure where it is, everywhere
else but uh, I didn't grow up inthe hunting family.
I kind of learned myself andthe only reason I got into it a
little bit was because my mommarried into a family.
So, but anyway, um 19 comesaround, I picked up my first
bell, killed my first deer.

(02:51):
I hunted every year up untilthen.
Never shot a deer before I shota deer.
But, um, yeah, I picked up abell at 19.
Uh, killed my first deer um 30yards, uh, straight through the
heart.
I practiced a lot and whatnot,but anyway, uh, I, just, I was
hooked ever since.
So I was just a bow hunterthrough and through.
Um, and then fast forward tillprobably, uh, I would say 30.

(03:16):
Um, october 1st would be fouryears of tattooing.
I'm 35 now, um, but anyway, sofast forward.
I started tattooing, but beforeI started tattooing I was an
airbrush artist for 14 years andI had a friend that got me into
this airbrushing.
He was well, well known in theairbrush industry and he just
started telling me about, like,just, he's like my life coach

(03:37):
and my life mentor and he juststarted telling me all these
things and kind of like how toretrain your mind to become
successful, when he's likeasking me these questions on
like what would you be doing ifyou had all the time and all the
money in the world?
And it really just makes youthink.
You know, you hear about thesepeople going to college but
never doing anything with it.
You know, because they thinkthey want to go do something but

(03:58):
then they find out they don't.
So they waste all that time,all the effort, all that money
to do that.
So so right away I startedthinking and I said I want to be
known.
I love merging my lovestogether, so art, my bow hunting
and stuff the outdoors.
So I said I want to be known asthe outdoor industry's tattoo
artist.
I want to travel the country.
I want to tattoo all these bigname events.

(04:19):
I want to tattoo all the bigname celebrities.
I just want to be known as thatguy.
So, like for the celebrities,my goal is like to all the big
name celebrities, I just want tobe known as that guy.
So, like for the celebrities,my goal is, like, they don't
need to get tattooed by me.
But I just want them to know Iexist.
I have a mobile studio.
I can come straight to yourhouse.
You know those deals Because alot of these guys they get
tattooed but they just like goto a shop because they don't

(04:39):
know.
You know what I mean.
So I just want them to's oldschool.
He don't, he don't train no oneunless you see something
special with you, you know Imean.
So getting tattooed over theyears by him, you know, just
making that friendship and thenfollowing me with my airbrush
work, seeing my artwork.
He actually asked me.
He said, hey, would you everconsider tattooing?

(05:00):
I said yes, I would, and Iactually I told him my idea and
I was, I actually planned onmaybe asking you here in the
near future.
So I, you know I did everythingby the books and a lot of people
don't do this and in the tattooindustry you don't get much
respect if you don't doeverything by the books, because
it's like sacred ground almostwith the tattoo industry.
So if you come across a bigname tattoo artist and the very

(05:22):
first thing they're going to askyou is like who do you get a
principal?
If you say I'm self-taught,they'll probably look down on
you, you know, it's just arespect thing.
So I paid five thousand dollarscash.
I did not have the money, I wasliving paycheck to paycheck,
dead-end job.
I just knew it was thatimportant and it wasn't like
just started my whole new career.
So I did two years,apprenticeship completed.
It paid the money.

(05:43):
Um, I opened up my own shop.
I have a shop here in pa.
It's called primal arts tattoostudio, um, and then I just
started, uh, dabbling in theindustry.
I knew it was super importantto get into the ata show, um,
these other big name shows.
Every time I come acrosssomeone that's a little more
important in the outdoorindustry, I told him.
I said, hey, this is me, thisis what I do, is what I'm trying
to do.
And it's just been a blast eversince and it's just been like

(06:08):
there hasn't really been any.
There's been more ups thandowns.
So it's been a great, greatexperience.
And now it's to the point towhere for the past two years
I've been dabbling in it, doinga bunch of shows.
I did.
I've been to Georgia, iowa, um,I did.

(06:28):
I've been to georgia, iowa,illinois, um, uh, st louis, I've
been kentucky I mean all overthe place and next year my plan
is just a full board.
Just go crazy and out nerd allthe time.
Um, I'm in with the lone wolfguys.
I tattooed levi morgan already.
I'm actually gonna be tattooinghim again.
Um, actually there's a billright above my head.
That's his old competition bowhe gave me.
So that was a pretty crazyexperience.
I'm going to be actually doinga hunt in Illinois this year

(06:51):
with this bow and I'm going tofilm it all and do a little
segment on that.
So I told him I'm 100% atraditional bow hunter.
So I said I'm going to kill anice buck with this and I'm just
going to put it away.
So he signed it.
It's pretty cool.
I like it.
It's all purple, purple's mylife.
It was funny because I walkedinto his home and where his

(07:12):
trophy room is, I can prettymuch fit my house inside his
trophy room.
It's pretty wild.
But off to the side he has anarchery shop and it's just lined
down the walls with bows andI'm like, levi, what do you do
with all these bows?
He's like, ah, get them tofriends, do charities, whatever.
He had one purple bell was allpurple.
Everything was just black andgray and camo, whatever I said,

(07:33):
that's a pretty cool bell and heknows me about purple, you know
.
So, um, so I tattooed him andwhatnot.
Um, we want to shop, though Iactually had him shoot my tribe,
though it was funny because hedidn't want to, but he was just,
he's just a natural, you knowwhat I mean.
He was just slaying it, but Iwent to go.
I finished up and I went to gopull out his driveway.
I was like hey, this is yours,by the way.
I was like are you serious?

(07:53):
I was like the hell with, andI'm about to come out, come out
with some products for theindustry that has never been
seen before.
I'm super, super excited.
I figured I'd take advantage ofme being on the road and
pushing a product, you know.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
So, yeah, that's a short story that I mean a lot to
cover in that and I really,before we really get into the
hunting, you know I want to theairbrushing.
So where did, did the?
Has this always been somethingyou've just been gifted
artistically since a young kid,like so kind of paint that
picture of like.
How did you get into theairbrushing?
What was it like for yougrowing up?

(08:34):
As you know, were you one ofthose artists, or is that
something you just picked up asas you got older as well?

Speaker 2 (08:41):
yeah.
So I like I love.
One thing I love about what Ido is I love that.
Well, first, I love to tellpeople my background story.
My childhood is like I camefrom absolutely nothing, like I
lived in some rough spots, ummissed Christmases, I mean.
Just like my, my family therewas like no name, like no one.

(09:01):
You know, I was the first oneto graduate high school.
I'm my grandpap, mom, dad, mytwo older brothers, I'm the
first one to do anything really.
So like that alone just drivesme to push harder and harder and
whatnot.
So basically I I'm trying tothink where to start.
Everything I could do in mylife or I got into as a pretty

(09:22):
wild crazy story, everything Icould do in my life or I got
into as a pretty wild crazystory.
But one of my goals is I I tryto tell people like, seriously,
if I can do this and have adream and make it happen, you
can definitely do it.
It's just, you know, askyourself the right questions and
think about things and justlook at life differently.
And my life mentor that got mein the airbrush and he um, told

(09:43):
me about this book and I don'tread because I've had adhd and
I'm um, what's that one dyslexicand whatnot.
So, yeah, but I read this bookand it literally, it just
rewires your brain.
And that's how I came up withthis whole idea.
Actually, because when he, whenI met him, he was doing his
thing and he with airbrushing,um, he had this giant trailer.

(10:04):
It was a mobile workshop, umclassroom.
He was traveling to differenttech schools and teaching kids
and I'm like, how did you comeup with this idea?
This is crazy, um, and he toldme about this book and I read it
.
It's called mentored by amillionaire.
I'm always going to preach thisbook because it literally
helped me.
You know, I mean come up witheverything.
So but but yeah, I knew it wasvery, very important to keep in

(10:26):
touch with this guy.
This was in high school.
He came to my vo tech and heshowed airbrushing and stuff and
it was very, very important.
I knew I wanted to do somethingwith art, but I don't like
computers, I'm not a tech personand whatnot.
But he was out traveling, hewas meeting new people, doing
car shows, bike shows, just likeliving, you know, just living,
almost you know, doing what heloves to do.

(10:49):
I'm like man, I got to dosomething like this.
I'm not a fan of making adifferent company rich and an
easier life for them becausewe're doing the work.
I'd rather do that for myself.
You know, put all that time andmoney and effort into my own
business, my own self, my ownlife.
So just those things, you know,added up to everything,
everything so, but yeah, I, um Istuck out with that dude and
it's what's wild, because I'mnow where he's like one of my

(11:10):
best friends.
He lives up in connecticut.
Um, I go up there a lot andhang out and whatnot, and we
just like help each otherthrough.
You know everything.
So, um, one thing I will say onthese podcasts so you have to
keep me on track because of myno, no, listen so like I love
that, don't worry I'll take thefirst little section of your
answer, your question, and I'llstart answering, but I'll start

(11:31):
veering off.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Then you bring me back every, every once in a
while, people will.
I'm like no, I actually like, Iactually like sitting back and
just listening.
You know, it makes me feel likeI'm not really the host, like
I'm actually like right, just aregular, regular listener, and I
and I believe you know from thefeedback that I've gotten, like
our, our listeners, they, theylike that too as well, like

(11:54):
that's why we're not scripted,because, like, wherever the, the
talk is going, that's whereit's going and you know, I, I
love it.
So I'm gonna, I let my guestsramble, because they just hit on
all different things and it'syeah, you know, I, I enjoy it.
So don't, don't worry, feel,just keep going.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
I actually, I absolutely love that.
I'm glad it's like that becauseit's just.
It's just you know everything.
Everything comes more naturalfrom you when you answer
questions.
If you're not like put on thespot, you have to answer stuff
certain ways, almost you know, Imean yeah, so, so yeah,
basically like that's one of thethings I love doing.
What I do is I tell people mybackstory and I just like try to
inspire them like you can, youknow, do what you love.

(12:32):
You know.
So, just like I said, askyourself the right questions.
So yeah, that's so.
I'm out here just doing this.
Um, people get a hold of me andbe like hey, I started this
journey up and, uh, you know,because of you and, um, you kind
of inspired me.
So it's always, it's always agood feeling.
You know, I mean so, but yeah,I, I'm not sure if I answered

(12:52):
anything.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
You just asked, but no, no, I mean it it was, it was
great and you know it gives youlike, it gives you more of a
background of, of justunderstanding, which, which
that's a big part of what wewant to do.
Like we're getting to know you,um, you know, with, with the,
the airbrushing and everythinglike that.
You know how does one get intoairbrushing.

(13:14):
So my mom does it.
My mom does it as, um, she's amakeup and hair artist and stuff
like that.
So I know I remember as a kidshe would have all these things
and she's done airbrushing andnow she's licensed to do, um, I
think, tattooing, but not inwhat you do.
Like you know, women like tohave the, the tattooed eyebrows

(13:34):
and and stuff like that and likethe eyelashes or whatever.
So I know, um, she's legallyallowed to do that and like,
there's certain stuff with, likemicro needling.
She tells me and all thesedifferent things, right, but I
never know, like how you, how doyou initially get into
airbrushing?
You know, um, where, where wasthat?
Like, what was the first timeyou actually like?

(13:55):
You know, this is exactly whatI want to start.
This is how I'm going to startright.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
So that's called pmu.
By the way, a permanent makeupuh, okay, I'm not sure what the?
U is.
I have a lot of friends thatare in it and they're going to
hate me for not knowing, butanyway.
So, like I said, I knew it wasvery, very important to keep up
with this guy that introduced meto airbrushing, so he went his
separate ways after I met him.
And I started thinking like Isaid, just a dead-end job, but I

(14:22):
was making pretty good money.
So I started thinking like howcan I get started in airbrushing
?
So, for whatever reason, thevery first thing that came to
mind was I can paint cakes,because I know they airbrush
from cakes at bakeries.
And I was like if I can just dosomething dumb, that gets me
just into it.
So I called a local grocerystore that has a bakery.
They said, no, we don't blowall this.

(14:43):
And I was like all right.
Then I was like, oh crap, youknow what they do at amusement
parks, like we have hershey parkhere in hershey pa.
Um, I was like man, I can dothat.
So got a hold of them and I wasalready kind of messing around
with airbrush guns so I had somestuff to show them.
Um, and right away they werelike yeah, they.
I think they hired me literallylike a couple of days

(15:05):
afterwards.
So I worked at Hershey Park, uh, airbrushing t-shirts and hats.
Um, for like five years I quitmy day job to go make minimum
wage, which I took a big loss,but I knew it was to get me
somewhere.
You know where I wanted to bemy end goal, you know, and
that's I try to tell people thattoo, like you have to kind of
give up some things to get towhere you want to be.

(15:26):
I gave up.
I had so many hobbies, so manythings I was passionate about.
I literally just gave upbecause I wanted to focus on
this.
Ever since I started, uh,tattooing, I went from hunting
all the time bow hunting,tagging out early season every
year.
It's been four years and I uhhave yet to tag out since I

(15:46):
started, because I've been outmaybe six times a year.
But starting this year I wantedI'm far enough along in my
career to where I can, like,actually take some time off.
So starting this year, I'll beout in illinois hunting some
public land, um, like the weekbefore and the week after
halloween.
So I'm gonna just focus on that, that I'll be in Ohio public
land as well.
So, but yeah, I went from theHershey Park deal and then I I

(16:12):
said to myself you know what?
I can paint this tiger on hist-shirt for 60 bucks, but I can
paint that same exact tiger on acar hood for $600.
I was like, yeah, I'm paintingsome automobiles and some
motorcycles.
So I started transferring intothat and I you know that took me
to a whole new journey carshows and, like um Rich Markham,

(16:34):
who got me in, who's the guythat got me into all this?
He was doing shows.
I actually ended up doing someshows with him.
It was so cool.
We would go to these shows.
We'd be one of the main acts,we would have these giant car
hoods, we would blast music.
We have one hour to paintwhatever we wanted to on these
car hoods and at the end of theshow we would auction them off
for charity.
People were we have a hugecrowd around us.

(16:55):
He was on top of his trailerdoing his thing.
I was down below.
It was pretty freaking wild,you know.
So I did.
I did the whole carnival andfairs and street fairs and with
T-shirts my own thing, you know.
So, yeah, 14 years of that.
I painted thousands andthousands of things.
I painted toilet seats, Ipainted prosthetic legs, just a

(17:17):
little bit of everything.
It's actually funny.
The toilet seat I painted myfriends.
We have this thing to where Ithink everyone, all your hunting
buddies, should do this.
Right, you get a toilet seatand they had me paint a picture
of a deer in the woods with abullseye on its ass and it says
master, ass blaster.

(17:37):
Because it seems like everyyear someone shoots a deer in
the ass.
So if you're the person thatshoots a deer in the ass, you
have to hang that total seat onyour living room wall all year
long, until the following year.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
That's a good one, that's a good one, that's a good
hunting.
Uh, stipulation for sure let itbe.
Let it be known that I havenever hung it on my living room
wall yet, so oh, man, I'mscrolling all the way down on,
you know, and I'm seeing some ofthe the motorcycles that you
you've worked on and you knowthe helmets and the car hoods
and everything like that, andit's, you know, I love seeing

(18:12):
this and I used to go to carshows all the time and, like
you'd always wonder like how thehell do people actually do this
?
Like you know, I remember whenFast and the Furious furious
came out like everyone wasobsessed with with cars and
having all these, these carslooking, you know, customized
and everything like that, and Ithink, um, then mtv had also the

(18:33):
the pimp, my ride, and you seethe guy airbrushing and
everything like that.
And it's like, yeah, you wentfrom you know t-shirts and now
you're, you're doing this andit's a huge step in in the next
um, it's in the correct path andeverything like that.
But that's exactly how life isyou.
You have to go through thesesteps.
You can't just skip all thesesteps and just get to to where

(18:55):
you're going.
You know, that's something Ilike to teach my patients is
there's building blocks, youknow, when you're just going to
keep going and going and goingpercent, hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
People just want to see the end result right away
and they want to see the moneyright away.
That's one of the very firstthings you don't think about.
It's one of the first mistakespeople think about is the money.
Money will come, no matter what.
If you just think the world isa huge place, right, we have all
the social media If you canjust be different, be creative,
think outside the box and don'tthink about money right away.

(19:27):
Just think about what you wantto do, ask yourself those
questions.
You know, if you had all thetime, all the money rolled, you
had no issues.
What would you be doing?
You know, I mean.
But just be creative, thinkoutside the box, be different.
You will always be successful,no matter what.
You know I mean, I'm tellingyou that's like I cannot preach
this stuff enough.
You know, I mean so.
Like, for instance, the product, the products I'm bringing out

(19:48):
in the industry, never been seenbefore, right, I know for a
fact I don't get into anythingelse has multiple wow factors
and this just has so many wowfactors, has so much meaning
behind it, never been seen.
You know, I know it can't be,it can't be a fail.
You know I mean.
So I'm going to hit this thingat full, full bore and I plan on
having it out in the new year.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
So I'm looking forward to it, definitely
looking forward to that I that Ihad.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
You know, I have facebook, tiktok, instagram, but
I keep up with my instagrammore than anything.
So if there's one thing peoplewant to follow me on the outdoor
artist, it's instagram, becauseI'll you know where I'm going
to be next, who I'm, thecelebrity I'm tattooing, um, I
guess I'm going to be guestspotting on uh, hunting tv shows
and the products, and it's just.
There's so many things, youknow.
I mean, um, I actually want tostart a food truck too.

(20:36):
Um, everything is it has to dowith the outdoors.
You know, I mean, it's going tobe, it'll be pretty well, and I
hate that.
Hey, I hate to say certainthings out loud because anyone
can be like oh man, that'sfreaking awesome, let's do that.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
I'm like you know a lot of people are.
And how do I say, you know,this is the era of a lot of the
copycats.
You know where people yeah,yeah, you know that's something
that I always.
I always talk on this podcast,like you know it's, I'm always

(21:08):
trying to come up with somethingthat no one else has thought of
or like maybe one or two peoplehave thought of, like I I'm
very proud to say like thispodcast started four years ago.
Now you look at all the otherpodcasts that have like everyone
is looking to do podcastingnowadays and everything like
that, because once one persondoes it and it just gains
traction and it's like, yeah,you have an idea, guess what?

(21:31):
Someone could easily just gosteal, steal that idea or or
something like that.
But you know, people don't wantto work as as hard anymore as
as like they used to, and that'sthat's one of the big things
like um.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
This is all hard work everything I do in my life, I I
challenge myself.
So if I'm fishing, I'm flyfishing.
If I'm rifle hunting which Idon't do, I I'm using a
flintlock, you know.
And if I'm hunting, I'm a trad.
Or if I'm a bow hunting, I'm atrad bow guy.
I don't do the compound thing.
And I'll be honest with you, um, and tell you why I hunted.

(22:05):
I started off with compoundhunted probably like I don't
know, from 19 to 30, 29, 30 Ithink, um, with a compound, my
very last buck that I killed.
And I tagged out every year.
Um, my very last buck I killed.
I'm a big spot and stalker.
The way I kind of hunt is veryaggressive, right, um, I'm in
the stand maybe two hours, youknow, after daylight and then

(22:29):
two hours before dark, but ifit's the right conditions, I'm
spotting, stalking.
Now I had private land.
I knew the land like the backof my hand and stuff, so I was
able to do this.
I wouldn't recommend it, youknow it's going tromping around
in the public land because youdon't know.
Especially, you know there's alot of crazies out there, you
know so, um.
So I'm gonna be honest withthis story.

(22:51):
You know a lot of people don'tagree.
But, um, I was so confident soI spot and stalk.
I seen these three deer bedded.
Uh, I was on the very top of aridge looking down over there
was like an old logging road allgrown up and I knew these deer
bedded on that logging road.
And I started walking a coupleyards and look down and repeat
myself and I've seen these threedeer bedded and there was one

(23:13):
buck that I knew was in there.
I never got a good look at him,I just knew he had a something
going on crazy with his rack,because here in pa you're doing
the spotlighting at nighttimeand like two weeks before season
I seen what I thought was afunky rack deer with like four
other bucks bachelor it up.
So I was kind of on, look forthis guy and there's.
So there's three deer down overthere, about 82 yards away, and

(23:37):
I had my compound, I had asingle pin and the deer in the
center was completely I didn'tknow what he was.
He was completely passed outwith his snout back in his belly
just completely snoozing, andthe other deer on either side of
him was awake.
Their heads were up but theywere still bedded.
It was crazy because there weretwo small little guys right and

(24:00):
one was looking this way, onewas looking that way and the
deer in the middle was sleeping.
So it's like he had these ownbodyguards, almost.
It was kind of wild.
So I crept down to like I creptdown to 70 yards and now he has
his head up and I looked throughmy binos and it was this crazy
rack it had.

(24:20):
He wasn't big, you know, it wasa mainframe, I think like seven
and maybe 100.
Well, I know what he is becauseI killed him, but he was like
126 inch or something like that.
Um, I'm stuck in the 120s,cutting pa all my life, you know
.
I mean I have this 120 curse.
But he turned and I've seen hehad a whole extra beam coming
out of the side of his head witha drop time.

(24:40):
Now I'm fired up because I lovethose goofy guys, you know I
mean so anyway, um, he stands upand one thing I kind of know
about deer from just watched itin the woods is when a deer gets
out of a bed from snoozing,he'll stand there for like 10
minutes, 15 minutes, 20 minutes,just standing there and trying
to get his bearings together andfiguring things out before

(25:00):
he'll mosey off right.
Absolutely no wind, no, nothing, nothing.
70 yards.
I was like, all right, well,here we go.
So I shot, I watched him go 40yards and died.
I just plowed on my 70 yardsand from that second I said to
myself when I watched him die, Isaid I need something different
, I need a challenge.

(25:21):
So the very next year I pickedup a trad bow and it was just
game over, like I was triedthrough and through.
Now I will say, the followingyear I had 140 inch uh buck on
camera which I never had a big,a bigger buck on camera.
Um, so I was pumped and I had mycompound and I started thinking
I was like what if he'sstanding like 40 yards away and

(25:42):
I have my trad bow and this?
And I was like, nope, I can'tdo it.
So I sold the bow the very nextday, maybe two days after that,
and I just took my trad bow outand a young kid actually ended
up getting that buck for hisvery first archery buck.
Um, oh wow, you can't really bemad, but at the same time you
can yeah, yeah, no, I I get that.
But yeah, I ended up killing.
Uh, I have the picture.

(26:02):
I think the picture's onInstagram.
I have just, you know, just alittle, I don't know 118 inch,
nice eight point.
I killed from the ground withmy trad bow that year and I
killed a doe as well.
So, but yeah, it's just been acrazy journey since with the
trad bow.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
So but yeah, that's, that's the next step.
I think for a lot of hunters,you know, once you like start
mastering like whatever withwith a compound bow, the next
level is always that, that tradstyle, and that you know, I hear
from a lot of people once yougo there, it's like your bow
hunting is already phenomenal.
Right, you know, and I love bowhunting, it's what I love to do,

(26:40):
killing animals with guns.
It doesn't give me the samelike wow or adrenaline effect as
as with a um, as with the bow,and you know, eventually, like
the trad, that's that's the nextstep for me.
You know, I got I still gotsome time to go because I still
think there's some challengesthat I still need to to get over
the hump and everything likethat um.

(27:01):
But I know, like from greg andand all those guys like they,
that's what they do, they alluse the trad and they never hunt
.
I don't think anything else butwith trad and you know right to
take a deer with that, it'slike it's just a whole nother
step.
It's the biggest, one of thebiggest accomplishments you can.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
You can have, I think , in archery yeah they say, uh,
anything with any kill with thetrad bow is a trophy, you know I
mean.
So, yeah, it's.
I mean I I started with a gun,um, never killed a deer.
You know, I picked up acompound, killed my first year
and then I eventually workedinto a trad bow.
I still have yet to kill a buckwith a gun.

(27:43):
I have no desire.
You know, even like right beforeI got into tattooing, maybe
like five years ago, I bet you Ipassed up 25 different buck
with a compound.
You know, I mean I just I justsat back and I enjoyed just
nature and, um, you know,nothing crazy came by.
So but now, like even shootinga doe, that just it gets my

(28:04):
blood going and my adrenalinepumping.
It's just, it's just a wholedifferent adrenaline.
I always say it's like you havethat adrenaline rush for
killing a deer, but if you havea trad bow and you like, it's
just a whole differentadrenaline rush.
Almost it's hard to explainunless you experience it.
You know I mean, but trad justmakes you like think a lot
crazier because you have to getthem into 20 or less.

(28:25):
You know I mean like it justmakes you work that much harder
to be a hunter and stuff likethat.
It's just, you know, I don'tknow.
I like preaching trad becauseit's just fun to shoot and it's,
you know, it's just a greattime it's.
It's you're carrying a stickand string, so, like, my bow is
next to nothing, you know I have.
Yeah, I mean, I know somepeople are listening and can't
watch this, but my hunting roomhere is a crazy mess but I have

(28:48):
probably 15 tribe bows here.
I got bow fishing bows and allkinds of stuff just hanging
around but it's.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
It's a thing where I think, as a bow hunter too, like
with the compound, like I couldshoot to 60, 80, you know, I
really try not to go 40 and out,but honestly, I would say every
single deer that I've killed inmy life has all been within 20
yards and in.
And I, you know, I shot, youknow, uh, one of my sixes I

(29:18):
think that was a chip, I thinkmaybe maybe 10 yards, right.
And people always ask like whydon't you take shots at it?
Because, as a bow hunter, forme the closer the better.
I know I can reach.
But you know what.
You did everything right.
If you could basically jump onthe back of that deer, if you

(29:38):
could spit on that deer, likeyou know, yeah, that's great, I
could shoot to 40 or 50 yards,but you know what.
But like man, there's great, Ican shoot to 40 or 50 yards, but
you know what.
But like man, there's so muchthat can go wrong at those
distances where it's like to me,20, 20 yards and in, that's the
perfect way to go and the leastlikely.
You know something is going togo wrong with, with your shot.
And I know, once you get intothat trad, it's like now.

(30:01):
It's even more important thatyou know nothing goes wrong at
all with it, with with the tradbow.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Right, yeah, I want, like, if I can kill I don't know
, I don't know if I like sayingkill or harvest, I don't know
what people refer but um, if Ican, uh, kill a, an animal, a
big game animal, from the groundwith my trad bow, I'm gonna try
, because it is a wholedifferent rush.
Um, last year I was in a hurrybut I wanted to hunt for a

(30:33):
couple hours.
I went to my spot, no, stand,no, nothing, just my trad bow
and stuff.
I sat on the ground at thistree, nothing around me, just
sat on the base of this, youknow, this base of the street,
and this like super, super nice,uh, I think it was like a seven
point or eight point, I can'tremember, but uh, I bet you it
was at least 125 or 130, youknow, super nice for pa.

(30:56):
Um, this thing came walking.
I had the video somewhere.
It came walking straight up tome, to my, on my left side, and
I stopped it, probably aboutseven yards from me, and when
you're on the ground and you'relooking face to face with a big
game animal at that distance,it's just like this crazy, crazy
feeling, the experience.

(31:16):
Right, you know, easy shot, um,but I didn't realize the dead
tree laying between us and hadone limb sticking up off the
ground and you just had to lightit, knock and stuff, and you
just see my arrow smack thatlimb and just you know errors to
Jesus, pretty much so, but thatthat was.
It was just, yeah, a crazy,crazy experience.

(31:37):
That was one of my morememorable hunts.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
So now you know and I love that too, cause, like some
of my most memorable hunts arehun, you know and I love that
too, because, like some of mymost memorable hunts are hunts
that I wasn't successful.
Well, not successful, I think Idid a lot of things right, so I
was successful, but I did.
I didn't, you know, killanything.
You know where something youknow may have just went wrong,
or you know, I my probably mostmemorable hunt was everything

(32:04):
was perfect.
During the rut, deer shot athim and my drop away rest never
went down, which fletchcompletely just stripped my
arrow and the arrow just flopped, like right in front of the
deer, right.
And you know it was tough.
It was like I was, I was hurtingpretty bad at that point, but

(32:27):
you know what then I was likewhy, like you know what, right,
everything went correct, likethis was something out of your,
out of your control.
You know what you got withinbow range on a nice mature buck,
right, you know the wind,everything went correct.
And that's how I started takingthings into into like effect.
And you know just learning,just hey, everything is a

(32:48):
learning goal.
Hunting is you could take everylittle thing and you have to
turn it positive.
And that's everyday life too.
Like you can't look ateverything as negative, you have
to look at the positive, evenif it's the most negative thing.
You find that little tinypositive and that's what you
work with.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Correct.
That's one thing I preach allthe time is there's a positive
in every situation and if youcan just focus on that positive,
you can get through anysituation.
Because trust me when I say I'dprobably be in a different
state of mind, a different place, if it wasn't for that, with
all the things that I had to gothrough in my lifetime and stuff
.
So you are completely rightwith that.
But yes, also, you couldn't setit better um, more the um hunts

(33:29):
.
That I wasn't successful wasmore the memorable ones.
Like I can probably tell youmore stories about not being
successful and whatnot, but itwas so much fun.
My very first year of goingflintlock hunting, I bet you I
shot and missed 12 times and itwas like the best day ever.
It was just a blast, likeliterally a blast so so real
quick, because I've only talked.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
I think I talked to one other person.
He's a PA hunter and you knowhe he hunts with the flintlock.
Like what is that?
It's so like old school, likeit's such a cool weapon to to
hunt a deer with.
But like what is that?
What is the whole hunting witha flintlock?

Speaker 2 (34:07):
like actually.
Well, I can tell you one thingyou can't go flintlock hunting
unless you have a guy, unlessyou have two guys.
One needs to be banging on adrum, another one needs to be
carrying a flag.
No, I'm just kidding, no, it'svery so.
The fun of it comes right ifyou break it down.

(34:27):
The fun of it comes when youshoot and you miss, and that
deer a lot of times just standthere right and then you have to
hurry up.
You're trying to be still, butat the same time you have to
hurry up and try to reload thisdang gun.
Um, while the deer is doing itsthing and you're freaking out
and stuff.
It's just, yeah, it's.
It's like a frustrating funmoment, you know, I mean, and

(34:49):
you can't be mad because you'rejust like, like I'm laughing the
whole time like I, I.
That's why one of the reasonswhy I started filming all my
hunts is because I'm such anidiot, like I'm always just like
talking to the deer andcracking jokes, and if a buddy's
with me, it's even worse.
So, yeah, I plan on revampingmy YouTube channel and just to

(35:10):
kind of show how fun huntingshould be.
It shouldn't be like I mean,here's the thing, right,
everyone hunts for a certainreason.
Therefore, you should neverjudge anyone on the way they
hunt or why.
You know I mean you hunt for areason, I hunt for a reason,
like certain angles with hunting.
Right, some people are just outto hang out with friends and

(35:33):
have a good time making memories.
Some people want to hunt formeat.
Some people want to just killgiants and that's, that's fine.
You know, I mean I'll snortthem, whatever.
So you should never, neverjudge.
Like I listen to podcasts andI'll listen to all the people
with the hate and say no stuff,but at the same time, you don't,
you don't really know, like,the reasons for hunting and
stuff.
You know I mean so you can'treally do that.
The only thing, like I can sithere and tell you when I talk, I

(35:55):
say my thoughts, um, the way Ihunt, the way I do it, but
that's okay if you disagree.
At the same time, you know Imean so, uh, but yeah, certain
things like that I love to justtouch on and you know, preach
and whatnot.
Use your crossbow, use yourwhatever you want to use, you
know, as long as you're notbeing an idiot in the woods and
harming you know others, orbeing destructive or whatever.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, do you boo now, you know and that's that's a
great thing, because we talkabout that a lot too as well
first of all, there's so manydifferent.
That's why, like one of thereasons like talking to so many
guys, like, if you're someonewho's not experienced, or even
an experienced hunter and you'resitting down listening to our
podcast, right, you get so manydifferent hunting strategies and

(36:40):
methods because everyone hastheir own style of hunting and
their own beliefs.
Where you know it's exactlywhat I said, my belief, my style
, the way I do it right, youknow, know when it's that's how
we do, I, my style might not beperfect for you, but it it works
for me and that's how I'veadjusted to to hunting gear.

(37:01):
Where you know where I hunt innew jersey and you know,
sometimes a different deer need,need a different you know style
or or whatever the case is.
And now I I've sat back and Igo through my podcast or I
listened to other people like,okay, you know what he brought
up, a good point.
Now, maybe I'm I'm going to trythis and I'm going to see how
this works.
You know, I was talking to AlexBuck down on on his podcast the

(37:25):
other day and he he talks abouta light rattling during the
early season And've heard thatbefore.
But I've never like, oh like, Idon't really want to carry my,
my antlers with me.
But he goes, listen, it doeswork, because you know, if you
watch bucks, they do a verylight, not even really sparring,

(37:48):
but they do hit their antlerstogether a little bit,
especially fresh after velvetcoming off or something like
that.
They want to know what they,what they have.
They can't see their antlers,they're just very curious of
what they have.
Um, so I was like, wow, youknow what that's.
That's a pretty smart idea.
Like you know what I might, Imight try that.
I'm going to delaware on on thefirst and you know what I might

(38:11):
bring maybe some rattlingantlers.
I don't know if deer are goingto be in velvet yet.
It's a whole new game plan forme.
Now.
I got to come up with a wholenew hunting strategy for hunting
that early in the year, youknow.
So mixing it up and trying newthings sometimes for for what
other people recommend, youcan't really hate on it until
you, until you try it too aswell.

(38:32):
Like it doesn't work for you,it doesn't work for you, right?
And then you're going to useyour opinion Like hey, you know
what this didn't work for me,but you know what it worked for
this guy.
I noticed Midwest deer a lotmore vocal and they respond to a
lot more rattling and gruntingthan you know.
My experience in New Jersey,where that doesn't really work
nearly, nearly, nearly as muchno, yeah, people have to
understand, like deer, justcurious creatures, you know I

(38:55):
mean.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
So, even if you just do a real light, they're curious
, they're gonna come by maybe,um, if they're interested.
But same deal.
You know, I did rattle thatfirst trad kill.
I was on the ground, I did arattling, grunt, right sequence,
raking leaves and all that um,and I brought that deer in, I
think only one other time.
But I will tell you I huntillinois um a good bit and it is

(39:18):
completely insane.
You can't hit those antlershard enough.
I bet you every hour and a halfI would hit them, a whole new
buck will come in, like it'sjust completely wild out there,
right?
So, uh, yeah, I mean you justkind of like know, know your
area and whatnot.
When it comes to that, you knowI don't like talking too much

(39:39):
on that stuff is just becauseyou have so many people like no,
it's not true, you know so.
But again, from my experience Ican tell you it is true, you
know, I mean yeah, there there'sthat.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Um, and this will be the last before we we move on to
the next topic.
Um, you know, I tried it forthe first time this year, um,
and you know I do a lot ofsaddle hunting and everything
like that, but I want to makethings as realistic as possible.
You know, and I I picked thatup from kind of you know, the
hunting public and everythinglike that watching their stuff,
and I will actually get down andit is very risky.

(40:14):
I will get down and I willactually get my rattles on on
the ground and I will make asmuch noise like bucks are
actually fighting and I'mkicking the leaves and doing
And then, the minute I'm done,I'm real quick getting as
quickly and stealthy as possible, getting back up and you know
it, it has worked.
Now, sometimes it may not work.

(40:36):
You know, I don't know if adeer is actually right there and
watching me and I just don'tsee it, but I think that's
something that I plan onrecording it, um, for this
upcoming year and I that's, Iguarantee you that's something
I'm gonna get a lot of hate onand people are gonna call me
stupid and everything like that,but but you know what?
You never know until you try,and that's the whole thing.
You got to fail to besuccessful.

(40:58):
So I'd rather go out there andhave fun and try and you know.
If it fails and doesn't work,then you know what Cool.
But if it does work, I meangreat.
I just found maybe anothertactic that may work.
Only 5% of the time may onlywork, you know, 1% of the time,
or it could be something that'sa 50, 50, you just never know.
Right, it's all about the trialof failure and you know, to

(41:22):
really know what's going to work.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Yeah, I'm uh, that, I'm not gonna lie.
Um, I'd be doing the same shit,but it's very, very risky
because if you have a deer closeby, I mean, there's been times
I've rattled and as I'm rattlingthey run in, or like, literally
not even a minute later theyrun it.
You know, I mean, but then ittakes 30, 40 minutes to an hour.
They'll eventually come in, youknow I mean.

(41:45):
So you just never know.
But hey, if that's what youwant to do, hell yeah, I'll be
down there doing snow angels inthe leaves listen.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
It's a's a risk factor, but I think it.
I think it is worth it at somepoint because it's something
that the deer, you know, I thinkanimals get so used to, what
humans do.
And if you really don't make itrealistic, right here you're,
you're getting your rattles upin the air.
Where, where is the fighting?
Where's the actual fightingnoise when you actually hear
deer going at it?

(42:15):
I mean, it is, it is allowed,it's.
You're hearing brush break andeverything like that.
So it has to be as realistic aspossible and you know what.
They still are going to getcurious if you do it, because
I've done it up in the treewhere they still, they're still
coming in.
But I think to maybe help foolfor however long that really

(42:37):
mature buck, I think that couldbe the the step that some people
may need to take.
So we'll, we'll see how thatgoes.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Um, yeah, you know so yeah, I, I um real quick.
I I'm I kind of screw myself alot when it comes to the
grunting and rattling.
I feel like I do it too much,or like, or something you know I
mean.
But um, I will say, though,with that that you just said
about, maybe think about putyour bow on the stringer, lower

(43:09):
it down, get down, do it, youknow, and just just in case, and
then throw your bow andstringer in it, cause if you're
already down there, you're goingto spend that time getting down
there and getting back up.
You might as well just take theboat with.
You know what I mean, cause younever know, you could tuck
behind that tree.
You hear something running,tuck behind that tree and you
can possibly get a shot off.
That's a really good point thatyou had.
Right there.
All you have is your fingerguns to go off with now I got

(43:57):
one more just off of that.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
You know the calling.
Have you noticed?
Does snort wheezing work foryou?
You know, I know that's a bigthing and I'm a big believer of
it.
It doesn't always work, I thinksometimes I scare a lot of deer
off, but it I do get deer thatare very curious, that do come
in and that's a part of my, mysequence it's, it's how you
enter that snort wheeze intowhat you're doing.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
I believe you know, like there's times like, like I
said, I'm still kind of learningmyself and what's not working,
whatnot, um, there'll be timesthat, um, I'll randomly just do
it, but I feel like so when I'mout in illinois, right, I bet
you, I'm telling you right now,I rattled in um like probably
nine or ten different bucks oneday and my little sequence was I

(44:39):
would hit the grunt.
You know, so I I think of therealistic situation, right, so a
deer sees another deer, a bucksees another buck, and I'll hit
the grunt, um, I'll do a couplesoft grunts, whatever, um,
because every time I dosomething.
Now, if I'm blind, that's adifferent story.
But if I see a deer and I'mtrying to get him to come in,
I'll do one thing I'll watch him.

(45:00):
If I need him to reactdifferently, I'll do another
thing.
Right, so I'll hit the grunt andthen I'll hit it even harder
and then I'll wait a little bitand then I'll do the snort

(45:23):
wheeze and then I'll rattle, youknow, I mean, so I'm just
trying to imagine, like, twodeer seeing each other.
They let they they're vocally,let them know that they're there
, um, and then they let themknow that they're pissed, snort,
wheeze, and then now they'rebattling.
You know, I mean so and thenmaybe when they're done.

(45:43):
Yeah, so I think that's likemaybe the go-to, but, um, then
maybe when they're done rat,like when you're done fighting,
when you're done rattling, I'lljust hit like a couple, like one
or two more little grunts tokind of finish it off.
But um, it seemed to work outthere pretty dang good.
So but I, I do, I do think it'slike how you use it and when
you use it, which goes alongwith everything, obviously, but

(46:03):
um, but yeah yeah, I, I wouldagree, I definitely would.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Um.
So for you, you know a littlemore on on hunting.
You know what.
What is, uh, your first year.
So you know you, you go intoyour first year of hunting.
What was your first like memoryat 12 years old?
What is like one of the firstmemories you have of you know,
maybe getting your license orwhatever the case is like what's

(46:30):
that first memory that reallysticks out to you?

Speaker 2 (46:33):
I'll tell you exactly what my first memory is.
Uh, like I said, everything I'min I get into.
I have a crazy story about it.
Um, my dad's like.
I told my dad I was like,because, like I said, I didn't
come from a hunting family.
Like he, his friends invitedhim out once or twice and then,
like he, I tagged along.
But I sat in this like Iremember sitting in like giant

(46:53):
hut in the middle of the fieldat the Amish build or something,
and it was like a living roomin there and we seen one though
that 10 people shot.
I was just and I was like, whatthe hell is all this?
So I got hit 12 years old.
My mom married into a differentfamily and they were hunters.
And I was like, hey, I want totry hunting stuff.
And my dad's like, well, all Ihave is this old 303 military

(47:17):
war british rifle like holds abayonet and this I can barely
lift a damn thing.
He's like, and it's open sights, no scope.
And he's like, let's shoot herin.
So the only thing he had in theyard to shoot at was his old
boat.
So we ended up picking a spoton the boat, shooting a bunch of
holes in it.
He's like, yep, good to go, andhe just hands it to me and so I

(47:40):
went out.
I had a herd of deer come in umand I just started firing away
at these deer and not hittingthe damn thing, but it was fun,
you know best memories.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Definitely those are the best memories.
And I think it's like a rite ofpassage, as you're like when
you, especially when you're thatyoung, your first hunt is to
miss all your deer.
You know you hear the storiesof the quiver, like you have no
more arrows in your quiver,everything like that.
Like I think it's people gottarealize, like you know you gotta
have fun too, um at well, andyou know hunting it can be tough

(48:16):
and challenging, but man, yougotta sometimes go out there and
just just have fun and rememberto relax a little bit and enjoy
nature and just make memories.
And you know there's a bunch ofhunts, or even still now, like
I'm the goofiest person where II trip up a lot, like I'm going
through thick stuff and I getall tangled and I will go flying

(48:36):
all the time and it's like yougotta laugh about it.
You know it's just fun 100.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
And I'll tell you what.
That first year of hunting withthat big ass gun, um, I had
those herd of deer come by myfirst shot.
I remember this, actually itjust sparked my memory.
I shot that, those deer andthen they split off.
Well, one of them came andliterally almost I was just
sitting at the base of a tree,almost brushed up against me and
then, like it's for me, I'madrenaline junkie, right.

(49:04):
That's where my drug of choicewas, so like I was a dirt bike
racer and I was I just did allthese things like jumping off
cliffs and whatnot.
But that's why I fell in loveso much with hunting, because I
felt that adrenaline rush, right.
But it was those scary momentsin the woods that you question
yourself, that you shouldprobably give it up, that I was

(49:26):
like all for you know I mean soI, 12 years old, I deer came
almost like running full boreright by me.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
I'm like oh shit you know, I I believe in that so
much like I the adrenaline I'vedone a lot of things and like
the adrenaline of hunting islike kind of unmatched to
anything that I've ever done um,you know, but that's why I
think I've more and more wantedto hunt Africa and I had never,

(49:56):
never, wanted to hunt Africa.
I'm like, and you know, it'sstill something that might not
happen, because my goal is to beout in Alaska to hunt moose and
bear and everything like that.
But, man, you look at Alaskaand everything is dangerous, you
know, and it's that like, oh mygod, should I really be doing
this?
And that adrenaline and yourheart rates picking up.

(50:16):
And then there's such bigcreatures that it's like now I'm
kind of getting more like Iwant to kind of do that, like I
want to experience and anafrican hunt at least once, I
think, definitely at least onceand to chase some big game, like
you know, water buffalo we hadhim on mike hex and you know
we're we're part of the um, thehex team, and everything like

(50:38):
that, um, and yeah, I mean we,we, we got into this.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
I'm not trying to get off I'm not trying to get off
topic or anything, but I tellpeople like I say about, like I
give them my like I have specialsorry, I'm getting like going
crazy right now because you justsaid this my like I have
special sorry, I'm getting likegoing crazy right now because
you just said this um, but Ihave special shoes for spot and
stock and like.
So I tell people, like if youhave the extra money and it's
not gonna like, it's not aburden or anything like, just
grab it and try it.
You know I mean, but I tell youright now I layer up with my

(51:09):
base layer and then, um, mymerino wool base layer and then
my hex suit and then, uh, I justI'm a traditional guy so I just
wear, like you know, flannelsand whatnot, but, um, but I had
bobcats come underneath my stand.
Not even look at me.
I, on the ground, I had I gotsuper close to things, like I'm
not saying, like it might bethis hex suit or whatever.

(51:29):
But I'm telling you, I don'tknow what it is, but it could be
.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
And like I'm a believer, I'll just say that you
know, I mean everyone that I'vetalked to that uses it.
That's like they're, they're abeliever.
I mean I use it for the firsttime, you know, this year for
turkey season, and I mean theamount of birds that we're
around with, like constantly.
I had a deer almost walk up onme, like at the end of the
season, like I think it may notand and this is what he even

(51:54):
said too like this isn't goingto make you the best hunter,
right, but it's a tool to tohelp you.
You still have to do otherthings correct, but it may help
you get away with maybe thatthat extra movement that you
weren't going to get away withbefore.
Um, it's like have you ever beenin the tree and you're,
everything is right, but thatdeer is still able to to ping

(52:15):
you at it out of that tree.
He goes that's a good reasonLike why you would use it.
You know it just cuts down onthat.
He's like I have birds flyingon me and everything like that.
So you know I I'm really, fromfrom the testing that we've done
from Turkey season, reallyexcited and now we're really you
really, you know gonna get afull launch of using it for for

(52:37):
deer season, but everyone I knowthey're like I don't leave the
wood or I don't go to the woodsto hunt without my hex right.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Yeah, I'm glad you brought it up, because I've been
wanting to order a new one.
I don't know, um, if, like, Idon't know how to maintain it
and stuff, or if there's certainthings you gotta do, like I
just I just got it couple ofyears ago and I've been using
ever since, so I was going tobuy a new, fresh one just to
have one.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
But yeah, so you, you , you can wash it, Um, I
recommend, um, air drying it, um, you know.
And then I know there is athing with the ozonics or that
you have to be careful with withsomething with the ozonics.
So if anyone out there has hexand they have like ozonics or
whatever, you have to be verycareful with that.
And they even do say it like ifyou use ozonics on on our

(53:23):
product, like there is no, likeyou're now you're taking, like
it's at, it's your fault, hegoes, everything else you can do
, it's going to work out.
But something with the ozonicscause something in the tear or
or something like that.
Um, but you can do, it's goingto work out.
But something with the ozonicscause something in the tear or
or something like that.
Um, but you can wash it, um,you can put it in the dryer, but
, like, then of course there'sgoing to be more wear and tear

(53:43):
on it as well.
So that's why I recommend uh,putting it out outside to to dry
and everything like that.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Um, but yeah, I mean you should.
You should do with all yourclothes anyway, if you.
Yeah, I know people are in arush and they forget the.
They wanted to wash it, sothey'll do whatever.
But I'm glad you said thatthough, because I've been
throwing all my stuff in my um,my bag that has the cleaner or
the the.
I don't know how you pronounceit, you know.
I mean so yeah.
Well, yeah, it probablyprobably be bad for me to get a

(54:11):
new one, you know, so yeah yeah,definitely, you know, I I love
them.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
I mean, I still gotta , I want to pick up more stuff,
because it's actually like I dolike and that was another thing
like when we were talking to mehe was like listen, you don't,
you can, you can use it as abase layer.
You can use, you can hunt withit.
Just hunt with it, or you canstill put all your other camel
that you have on and on top ofit and it's all going to be good
.
Because I remember like damn,you know, I just bought a whole

(54:37):
bunch of new like sicker forChristmas, like my fiance, and
stuff like that, and I don'twant to waste you know all that
money and everything like that.
But then he was like no, likejust wear it on underneath, he
goes, that's what it's for.
Like, as long as it's on you,it works, you know.
And yeah, no, I love it.
I'm glad that you know you'reanother person who loves it and

(54:58):
uses it as well.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
You want to know something funny is I hunt like
Maryland early season stuff I'mactually about to gear up to go
down and it was just so bad theone day and I literally wore
just my boxers and the hex suitand you can see kind of through
that.
Yeah, and I hunted just likethat, I didn't give a shit, you
know, and I end up killing a doedown there pretty much butt

(55:22):
naked, if you mind you.
You know I wore my crocs.
I mean it was just, it was yeah, it was pretty fun time.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
super breezy did not get hot exactly and I I actually
I wear.
I wear that right now.
So, like when I'm doing a bunchof like you know, any work out
there because it's been so hot,like that's what I'm wearing,
you know, because it is sobreezy and I love it, it's
comfortable, everything likethat.
And that's my game plan,depending on the weather, like
we're gonna be down in delawareand closer to to the water and

(55:49):
So if it's super hot andeverything like that, listen,
I'm wearing boxers and I'mwearing my, my heck suit and
that's really about it.
I mean, you know, and the planis to definitely kill something
down there, you know, andeverything like that.
But great product, anyone outthere, you know who's who's
interested?
We have a link in ourdescription, everywhere that we

(56:11):
have.
We'll even post it up, you know, click the link, go check them
out, like, and, like you said,if you have the money, it is, it
is 100 worth it.
I know you're gonna look peoplelook at the price, like, oh,
like that's expensive.
But you know what, if you haveit, it's worth it and you know
you definitely should, should,go for it right.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
There's definitely been some times um hunting down
there in maryland early seasonseptember that I got down my
stand, jumped in the bay andthen got back in my stand yeah,
definitely so.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Oh, man, I mean, so far, this is.
I'm loving this.
Uh, you know.
So let's get a little bit backinto.
You know, the tattooing andeverything like that.
What's your what has?
Is there been a piece that hasreally stuck out to you that
that's been your favorite so far, or?

Speaker 2 (56:58):
is each one different I will say you're breaking up a
little bit so I'm trying topiece together what you're
saying, but something abouttattooing that sticks out is
what you're saying.
Yes, yes, um, I would say it'sjust, for me it's, it's like
coming up with the journey, likeliving the journey and then

(57:20):
experiencing everything.
But um, and it's like, and likethe one of my drives are is, um
, you know, it's always what Ido, always opens up new doors
and it's's just.
You never know.
You know, I'm big on takingchances, like I know for a fact
I won't be where I am today if Ididn't take chances.
You know that one chance, thatfirst chance I took was, you

(57:41):
know, giving up a pretty goodjob to go work Hershey Park for
minimum wage, you know.
So you got to take thosechances.
But I mean, that question canbe answered so many different
ways.
When it comes to just a certaintattoo or a person, or you know

(58:02):
I have.
We can be here for hourstalking about some crazy stories
and whatnot, you know, with allthe crazy requests and whatnot.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
So yeah, I'm not exactly sure how you want me to
answer that.
It no, it's um with with allthe crazy requests.
Uh, crazy requests what?
What is one that?
Is there, one that reallysticks out like what has been
like the craziest one thatyou've got, or you know the
hardest tattoo, that that you'veever done?
You know what kind of take usthrough through that?

Speaker 2 (58:28):
well, I'll say, I'll say this um, people ask what's
something you won't do, rightand the only thing.
I really say that because I cando pretty much anything.
I'm not scared of tattooinganything.
You can show me a crazy, crazyimage and I'll still hammer it
out, you know, I mean because itcomes.
What it comes down to is it'sall just lines, shadows,
highlights.
You know, I mean it's likedon't ever look at anything as a

(58:50):
whole picture.
Break it down to somethingsimpler and then get through it.
You know, take that as a lifelesson.
Don't look at a bad situationor a situation as a whole, but
break it down, start at the very, you know, bottom, work your
way up and then, by the timeyou're done with it, you're done
.
So I won't take on any hate.
You know, obviously, likecertain symbols and whatnot.

(59:14):
I won't do anything in thatrealm and whatnot.
Um, I'm not a big fan of floral.
You know, all these crazyfloral sleeves and whatnot.
Um, that's trending, but I'llstill do them.
But so those are the thingsthat I kind of like.
I, you know more, not dislike.
But, um, but let's see, I, yeah.

(59:37):
Where can I start with this?
I did some pretty, pretty coolones.
I did like you know, you getyour friends that want you know
stuff on their ass, cheeks and I, you know I get girls that want
you know more personal placesyou know and I'm super, super
respectful you know.
And places you know and I'msuper, super respectful you know
and keep your, you know, keepthem covered up.
And you know, because I'm in,I'm in my shop and there's other

(59:59):
four other artists in there andclients walking in and out, you
know I mean.
So yeah, um, I did.
I had this big gnarly bikerdude come in the one time.
He's like hey, I want armpittattoos.
I'm like that's disgusting.
I was like, but I'll do them.
He's like no, I just washedthem, you're good to go.
I'm like okay, cool, but yeah,I did like spiderwebs, that's

(01:00:20):
got to hurt.
That's got to hurt.
He just sat there.
I'm like you are crazy.
So I did the bottom of a foot,I mean, it's just pretty much
anything you think of.
I probably did already.
So now I never tattooed a guy'syou know business, what I I

(01:00:42):
don't know.
I'm pretty crazy so it don'treally bother me.
But no, nothing like crazy.
I did head tattoos and in theears and just pretty much.
You know, I probably don'texperience it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Someone comes into your shop and everything like
that, you know, what do you?
They give you an idea and doyou?
You run with it Like, say like,hey, listen, this is, and this
is how I usually do it, like Igive people like just ideas and
I want the artists to just runwith it.
And you know, know, usuallythey'll create me something like
that and usually I've never hada problem with with what an

(01:01:18):
artist has kind of kind of done.
Uh, you know, but you know,depending on the time and
everything like that breakdown,like a session that say I was to
come in, you know, I gave you abunch of ideas, you, what does
it look like?
The breakdown of doing a, doinga tattoo for you, on on like a
daily basis?

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
um, uh, yeah, so you just get a hold of me, um, you
give me your ideas, um,basically, I need to know just
your idea where you want it.
Uh, I'll tell you my day rateor whatever, like the time to
take.
Uh, we set a date and a coupledays prior to some nights
sometimes the night before, I'llget to, you know, drawing it up

(01:01:57):
or if it's something thatdoesn't need pre-drawn, you know
, I mean, uh, I usually start at12 o'clock, um, and I tattoo.
I'm usually done by like six.
It just depends on, you know,I'll do, you know, three hour
tattoos, I'll do eight hourtattoos.
So it just, you know, justdepends, you know, but it's not,
it's not hard, you know.
I I will say it's, it's kind oftough getting in with me.

(01:02:18):
I, um, I deal with hundreds andhundreds of people on a daily
basis.
That's not even a joke, youknow.
So I gotta kind of figure outmore.
Like I'm so far along in mycareer that I need to figure out
what, like how I want toapproach these things more, you
know.
So I can, because I can go offon different ways right now.

(01:02:38):
Um, but one thing I want to sayand I preach another thing I
preach all the time and I soundlike a broken record is people
have to understand that there'sa difference between a tattooer
and a tattoo artist.
The majority of people outthere, especially in pa, are
tattooers.
Right, because there's no rules.
It's crazy.
I wish they would make it sohard to become a tattoo artist.
Because it's permanent.

(01:02:59):
Right, you're dealing with openwounds and you got people just
buying cheap equipment open up ashop and there's no rules,
there's nothing, right.
So and then?
But your average person doesn'tknow this.
They just say, hey, look, thisperson's in a shop, he must be
good, and then I have to fix it,I have to cover it.
You know, I mean all this stuff.
But a tattooer, they just learnhow to use the machine.

(01:03:21):
They're not an artist.
They can't design shit.
You know.
You give them a picture from,you know, google or pinterest.
They don't care if it'sbackwards, upside down, anything
.
They don't care, you know, ifit's crooked.
They just see they can makesome money, a good bit of money,
tattooing, right.
So a tattoo artist, they don'tcare about money.
There are artists through andthrough.

(01:03:43):
You can just say, for instance,hey, full leg sleeve, mermaid,
and they will design a wholeentire leg sleeve for you just
by the word mermaid, you know, Imean, I had so many people come
to me like I can't find what Iwant on the internet.
I'm like that's my job.
Just tell me what you want.
I don't need no images, no,nothing.
The only time I ever usereference images is if it's like

(01:04:05):
a realistic face or a realisticanimal.
Everything else I won't haveanything.
You know, I'll pull referencesto design it, but as I'm
tattooing, you'll never see melook at a ipad or any, any image
or anything, you know I mean,unless it's like a realistic
animal or or if it's a logo,because logos have to be, you
know, obviously spot on.
Yeah, um, but yeah, um, I don'tknow where I was going with

(01:04:30):
your question, but I just reallywanted to touch on that tattoo
and tattoo artists, because mything is like, if the more
people know about that, the morethey can do the research and
the less shittier tattoos areout there, more or less, you
know I mean so well, I I willsay I kind of forgot what my
question was too, because I waslistening.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Um, so no matter anymore.
Um, I know you did say um, howdo you prepare for an eight out,
like so?
I've always been curious, likemy friend.
He got once like a 12 hour onthe ribs and everything like
that, where I mean it was brokendown to two sessions and
But you know, say you're, youknow, tomorrow, you know you're

(01:05:08):
gonna have like an eight hoursession, a pretty big session.
You know what is yourpreparation going into.
You know a very big session andthings like that oh, I don't, I
don't, I don't do anything.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Like like I literally I have the design ready, but
like mentally and stuff, I just,I just wake up, you just do it.
Yeah, I just do it.
I don't think about anything,like I don't let anything stress
me out, like I live such abetter life now, um, in every
aspect, because I literally donot let anything stress me out.
I look at everything sodifferently now and I wish

(01:05:41):
everyone would do this because Ihear like, oh, life's so tough?
No, it's not, it's you right.
You're the only person that canchange yourself.
You're the only person that canguide your life in a certain
direction.
If anything comes your way,it's how you respond, how you
take it.
So, and think about thepositives and every bad

(01:06:03):
situation I mean just stuff likethat.
So like someone wants a crazydesign and I'm like I'm not
going to get all worked up andlike you know anything like that
, I'm just going to do it.
All I need is that that stenciland I need to get it on.
I always tell people thepreparation is the hardest.
Tattooing is easy.
For me, you know.

(01:06:23):
I mean it's getting the stencillaid out and perfect, because I
don't care how good of a tattooartist you are, if your stencil
is shit, your design shit, andyou place it on backwards or
whatever it's off, I don't carehow good you tattoo, it's going
to be a shit tattoo, you know, Imean so I take my preparation
very, very seriously, you know,I mean so.
That usually takes the longest.

(01:06:44):
Like I said, the tattooing iseasy.
That's the easy part, so gotcha.
But yeah, I don't, like I said,I don't really prepare anything,
because I don't.
I don't get stressed or worriedabout anything.
I, you know.
I mean, I just know what, who,I have what time, what does I
have to do, what I have to do,and that's basically it, you
know.
Now for the other people, Iwill say um, before, especially
for a full day, you just want tomake sure you're well rested,

(01:07:08):
you want to.
Actually people don't realizethis, but if you do, there's a
real quick workout to get yourblood flowing and everything.
That's a bonus for both of us.
And if you just lotion yourskin like a week prior, every
day, that's a plus too.
You know, there's like Iactually want to come out with a
book about tattoo myths, likebreaking tattoo myths, um

(01:07:28):
preparation that the tattooersversus tattoo artists.
Let's touch on all that stuffbecause I feel like, if I can at
least make this stuff wellknown, the in the future there's
going to be more and morepeople with more and more better
tattoos and tattoo experiences.
Tattoo experiences should belike a day at a spa.
It should not be stressful.
I cannot stand when someonecomes to me and is like I won't

(01:07:49):
go to this shop anymore becausethe tattoo artist is a dick.
It's so quiet, it's dark, it'shorror, it's like death metal,
it's just like it's not a coolexperience.
So I'm complete opposite.
Anyone that does my shop,everyone in there, is just full
of life, joy, um, bright,sunshine, happy, like I'm

(01:08:10):
singing like a crazy person andI always tell people
entertainment's free.
Um, it's just like abundance ofrandom music playing You'll be
lit.
My, my uh music list is like mybrain.
You know you'll be listening toMichael Jackson.
You know you'll be listening toMichael Jackson.
Then you'll be listening toGarth Brooks and then the
Backstreet Boys.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
You know, I mean, that is, that is such a, that is
pretty cool, like I like that,that that's a, that's a mood for
it for sure.
Um, no, I got a few more foryou.
Um, you know, you talk abouthaving to to fix, you know,
tattoos.
You know, and I know that'ssuch a big thing with cover-ups,

(01:08:46):
you know, has there been onethat stuck out to you like, do
you first of all, do you turn?
Do you turn away?
Like I know certain people,they, they will.
So you, you won't turn away,anything like that.
Um, so what, what are some ofthe ones that stick out to you
that like, oh, this is thisgoing to be a challenge?
Or like, holy shit, this was,this was horribly done.

(01:09:07):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
I bet there are some so I will say, um, there's one
that's my most memorable one andI just finished it and whatnot.
And before I say that, I wantto tell you I had so many people
come in from different uhplaces like we tried this shop,
this shop, they all said, no, Ican't do it here.
Here's my theory, right, thisis why I won't turn one down is
because if, first of all, if manmade it, man can fix it, and

(01:09:28):
all another thing is it's notabout if it can't be done, it's
how creative are you to get itdone right.
And I like to think I'm supercreative, so normally I'm always
figuring out a way, right.
And there's also techniques andstuff you can do to make a
cover up.
Go away as well.
But I just finished a sleeve.
It's on my Instagram.

(01:09:49):
It's Thor, right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
OK, yes, yes yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Right, and that was a cover up I actually got.
I usually carry this trophy andstuff I got's.
I got second place for bestcover-up at a tattoo convention.
Um, so the guy had the wordlike back when he was, like, you
know, in his 20s in themilitary.
He had big black letters, usmc.
The only problem is the dudedid uscm, so he had he had that

(01:10:16):
for years spelled wrong.
It was just it was like atribal, uh, armband and whatnot.
But yeah, that thing iscompletely gone.
Um, and the reason that's themost memorable one is because
that is actually one that I waslike I don't know man.
Um, it was like well, what hewanted me to tattoo wasn't
something I do all the time.

(01:10:36):
Um, and it's a cover up on topof that.
He's like no, you got it.
So he literally just said hejust made me like, just do it,
and it just turned out like oneof my best pieces, I think,
today, you know I mean it'sphenomenal, it is absolutely
phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
I mean, I'm looking at it right now and I I love it.
Um, that's one of the ones thatdefinitely stuck out to me too
as well, and I would never haveknown that it was a cover-up if
we didn't talk yeah, yep forsure.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Well, yeah, he, just like I said, you can't be.
So.
I will say, like in this book.
There's certain things in thisbook that I said about that.
Well, I'll never like you know,it'll never leave my head.
So one thing it says um, what isthe most wealthiest place in
the world?
And it's the graveyard.
Because the graveyard is whereall the hopes, the dreams and
vengeance go to die, becausepeople are too scared to get

(01:11:27):
them out, they're too scared tomake that leap, to make that
change in life.
So they can do this, tosacrifice this, so they can do
it, like so many people with somany good ideas and like skills,
and they just don't know how toproperly go about it or they're
too afraid to.
And that's why they say thegraveyard is the most wealthiest
place in the world.
So that just hits home with meand that's why I'm not scared.
I'll take chances every day.

(01:11:47):
I'm so spontaneous with tripsbecause I feel like no matter,
like you never know who you'regoing to run into, what they
know, who.
They know connections, whatdoors may open.
Know connections, what doorsmay open.
You know I mean, and like Isaid, I just that's how I've
been for years now, and it'sjust been one door opening after
another.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
So now I I got a few more questions.
As for, these are the standardones that we ask every new guest
, and then I'll let you go hereum your dream hunt.
If you could hunt anywhere fortwo weeks, money's not an option
when would you hunt and whatanimal would you hunt?

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
All right.
So I have a dream animal and Ihave a dream hunt.
So two different things, right?
My dream animal was a red stag.
Um, I want to do everything theright way.
I don't want to like, do likeyou know, go to a farm and in
the States and stuff.
I want to go to New Zealand,all that.
But anyway, my dream hunt likeI'm a trad hunter, I'm a big

(01:12:43):
spot and stalker.
I want in the worst way to goout and I want to spot and stalk
in those giant open plains, uh,a giant muley with my trad bow.
Like I said, I watch guys do itall the time.
I think it's the coolest thingever.
Like, I love the white tailadrenaline dudes.
They actually hunt.
The same style I hunt.
It's just I do it in pa.
It's a little tougher.
Um, but yeah, just spot andstalking with my trad bill for a

(01:13:07):
giant muley, um, that's like mydream hunt.
And then my dreams aren't likeoh, I want to live in a 30
million dollar piece of land,house, manage, like it's not.
Like my dreams are always like,reachable, more or less.
You know, yeah, like I make youknow, so I can easily go do it.
I just I haven't yet.
I don't really have theknowledge or who you know, where

(01:13:29):
, what, how you know all thatstuff.
So but eventually I do want todo that gotcha typical or
non-typical whitetail um, I wantto say non-typical, because I
just love goofy, goofy stuff areyou a?

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
are you a snack guy in the woods snack?
Yeah, do you eat snacks.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
You're a big foodie in the woods I want to say yes,
but I don't have to be.
My thing is I'll take snackswith me and then I'll realize at
the end of the hunt I didn'teven touch half of them because
I'm so focusing on shit andwhatnot.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
So what's your go-to snack if you're going out into
the woods?
What is something that's got tobe in your pack?

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Oh, it has to be the old peanut butter jelly.
What are they called?
The be the old?
Uh, peanut butter jelly, uh,what are they called?
The crustables, uncrustables,the the?
Okay, uncrustable.
But I will say, take thosethings out of that bag and put
them in a little ziploc orsomething you know.
I mean yeah, yeah definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Um, now this one.
I, we, we do it in twodifferent ways, so I'm gonna do
it.
Who?
If you could hunt with anyone,living or dead, who would it be?
And then who?
I'll let you go oh sorry, uh,tim wells hand down oh, I was
thinking it was gonna be, uh,fred bear, but tim wells okay

(01:14:55):
now tim wells hand down.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
He's actually one of my biggest inspirations.
I actually have his phonenumber in my phone but, um, I
kind of let him do his thing.
I don't really I don't try tobug people.
So, yeah, um, someone I wouldlove, like love, just to hunt,
because, yeah, I may actuallyhear talk about tim wells all
day long but, um, you know doinguh ata show and stuff.
I hung out with him and hisdaughter and his wife and I told

(01:15:18):
him the story about um, uh, Iwas in my yard shooting my this
is my back shooting compound andI was trying to be cool and
shot at 80 yards at a targetlike a balloon and I end up
shooting a hole in my boat, likeit's funny, because I told you
the story about the boat with mydad and my rifle but I end up
throwing my boat with, um, mybow, he's, he's like, he's like
you're funny as hell, you shouldbe on one of my shows.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
I'm like, bro, you have no idea if I got one of
your shows um, but yeah, if youcould, if you could tattoo, who
would you like if you could workon?
One person, like right now,like anyone you know in the
hunting industry, who do youreally that you haven't done yet
?
Who's?
Who's your guy, that you orgirl that you want to get a

(01:16:00):
tattoo?

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
for.
So it's a mix up between joerogan and bent or brentley
gilbert, um, and for twodifferent reasons.
I have, um, the connections toget with joe um, and, like I
said, I I tattooed levi morganand he's good friends with joe
and he thought he said aboutmaybe putting a good word in for
me and whatnot.
But there's so many things I'dlike to pick Joe's brain about

(01:16:23):
and, you know, doing a couple ofhours session tattoo on them
would be, you know, perfect time.
But, uh, I want to say alsoBrentley Gilbert, because, uh,
with my new product coming out,I would love to tell him about
it and have him be like the theface of it, almost, um, because

(01:16:44):
I'm looking for certain thingsand he fits the bill and, um, I
just know if he met me and whatI'm about.
Like I'm a big, um acousticguitar player, I sing and all
that stuff.
So there's just, uh, you knowwe both ride motorcycle and
stuff like that.
Um, there's just so manydifferent things.
But, yeah, one of those guysfor sure, um, now they're not
really known for like crazyhunting, like just hunting alone
, you know, I mean obviously,but but yeah, is there.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
Is there anyone specific that you would want to
do a tattoo?
That isn't you know who, isn'ta hunter, that is just like
maybe a celebrity or somethinglike that you'd be like, oh,
like I would just I would loveto do do one of their tattoos,
or, oh, definitely post malone.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
That dude is so cool and such a genuine like, oh,
like I would, just I would loveto do do one of their tattoos or
, oh, definitely post malone.
That dude is so cool and such agenuine like you know, I mean
genuine and yeah, he would be.
He'd be so cool just to chillwith for a couple hours and just
shoot the shit you know yeah,no, he's a riot, he's an
absolute riot.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
Um, yeah, neil, I want I want to say thank you so
much for coming on.
I mean it was a pleasure.
I mean I love talking abouthunting and love tattoos and
everything like that and loveall the work that you're doing
and pretty excited for you, knowwhat's in store for you and
You got any last words for us?

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
I just want to say just keep being different, like,
just think outside that box andjust don't be scared to take
those leaps.
Um, that's the biggest thing Ican really push and you, you,
you will be successful.
You know I mean so, but yeah,there's so much to talk about in
such a little time, but I thinkwe did pretty good, yeah yeah,
definitely, if you, you know,would love to get you on at some

(01:18:16):
point again and, you know,maybe do something in person.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
Uh, are you going to be at the harrisburg show?

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
I will be there.
I've been trying to get into itthere.
I I run with the hunt lift eatguys, and they said about
getting me in with their boothand I don't.
I just don't know how thatplace fills with tattoos because
uh, yeah, I don't really havethis exact course.
So I'm trying to look for aroom with a mobile phone or a

(01:18:48):
road show, middle road show andI was I'm a thought private or
head there and then way back.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
I'm gonna stop again okay, cool, cool, now I'm that
that would be pretty cool.
I mean I'm, I'm up there, we'reup there for for a good couple
days, days and everything likethat, like for three or four
days.
Uh, definitely would like tomeet you at some point,
definitely.
I mean, if you, you know, oneday get get a tattoo done and

(01:19:29):
I mean I love tattoos andalways looking for people to to
give me ink.
Actually, every single tattoo Ihave on me I've, I think, four
or five.
They've all been done bydifferent artists.
I haven't gone to the to thesame artist, not because I just
I just like going to differentpeople, but also they have to be
correct, like you know I gottaI do my research.

(01:19:53):
I think only one has been like,eh, I could have probably gone
with somebody better, but I meaneveryone else I've done a
pretty good job with with myresearch and everything like
that.
But, um, definitely, you know,looking forward to the day of
meeting you and stuff like that,and you know I'm up there
constantly, all the time andeverything like that.
You know we do hold some, someevents down here too, so I mean

(01:20:14):
I'd be, I would love to, to getyou down here, uh, anytime down
in Jersey.
And you know, um, I, we do agame dinner and we do a, a meet
and greet and a bow shoot andeverything like that.
And you know, I, I mean, I, Ithink it would be great and
Um, so, and we're looking to domore things like that and more
events and and everything likethat as we go, and it's

(01:20:36):
something that we love to do andeverything.
So, definitely, definitelywould would definitely love to
get you down here.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
Yeah, with all my travel and all the events I do.
I guarantee you're going tomeet up soon.
But I will say I'm actually Igo to New Jersey a good bit.
One of the reasons because myboy, mike, mike, he, he lives
out there East coast.
I can't remember where he goesby, but he's yeah, yeah, I know
he's all tattooed up, you know,yeah, but yeah, he's out there,

(01:21:03):
so I go out and visit him oncein a while too, but yeah
definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
Yeah, definitely man.
You know everyone.
Make sure you go check him out.
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I hope you guys enjoyed thisepisode and we'll see you guys
next time.
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