Just A mom Who loves the outdoors W/ Samantha Nicoletta

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Welcome back to the gardenstate outdoors and podcast

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presented by boondocks hunting.
I'm your host, mike nitre, andtoday we have samantha nicoletta
.
Welcome to the Garden StateOutdoorsman.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Podcast presented by.
Boondocks Hunting.
I'm your host, mike.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Naitre, and today we have Samantha Nicoletta.
Welcome to the show, thank you.
Every newcomer we get on here,they always give us a quick
backstory, so let's hear yourbackstory.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Well, I grew up hunting.
My dad is a very avidoutdoorsman.
If he didn't get a buck or aturkey, like you kind of know,
like knew what time of season itwas in the house.
And I feel like I kind of holdthat same persona in a way.
Adam really knows if I getirritated about the season, but

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I just hunting is my entire life.
I base everything on it.
And then I got married and Itaught my husband about hunting
and he like didn't grow uphunting or with a hunting family
.
So then we kind of taught himeverything that we know and now
he's an avid hunter and now Ihave a daughter who I take with

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me hunting and she loves itsurprisingly.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
But I listen, I it's great to hear, and you know what
I really love.
It's like you.
You're the one that taught yourhusband.
So, that is like we.
We like to interview a lot ofladies on here.
I think growing the outdoors isextremely important and it's
not it has to be for everyone.
It doesn't matter what coloryou are, what race you are, what

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you know, sex you are.
I think it's extremelyimportant and I am teaching my
fiance, but we've I don't thinkwe've ever had somebody on who
taught their husband, so I thinkyou'd be the first one.
So you know, what was thatprocess like?
Like what is the easy learner?
Like you know, kind of break us, break us down through through

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that whole situation.
I know me teaching my fiance.
She doesn't like listening tome, but if somebody else was to
teach her it would be completelyfine.
But because it's me, you know Ihave to kind of watch what I
say and like the type of tone Iuse or something like that.
But she doesn't want to followmy directions but will follow
somebody else's directions yeah,that's kind of I can't say.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
He's like that.
He is now, but in the beginninghe listened to me like he was
like oh, you know what you'redoing.
And now it's like we'vedeveloped well, like I have my
own way and he has his way.
So now we butt heads becauseI'm like no, this isn't what my
dad did, this isn't what I thinkis right.
But in the beginning he's avery eager learner, so he just

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kind of always listened.
But my brother had an old bowthat he wasn't using and we
hooked him up with a bow wasn'tusing and we hooked him up with
a bow.
And then, uh, lucky Adam, heshot a buck and a doe opening
day of PA archery season.
And he was like this is amazing.
And I was like it's not goingto be like that every year.
I'm telling you right now, likeit is not going to be like this

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every single year.
And then, uh, he shot a Turkeythe first day out with my
brother.
Like my brother took him forthat, um, because I was taking
my mom, I think, but I don'tknow, he, just he, I don't know.
He like had some background init but not a whole lot and he

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just kind of took to it reallyeasily, like he's very
knowledgeable and he wants tolearn everything, so he listened
to podcasts and watched youtubevideos and like what I wasn't
teaching him.
Then he's like did you knowthis?
And I'm like well, yeah, I did,but it just wasn't like I
didn't know that, you didn'tknow that.
Like he didn't know thatturkeys roosted in trees and I

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was like you didn't know that.
Like I thought that was commonsense, but it's not apparently.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah, no, I would think that was common sense too,
because I'm pretty sure Ilearned that and I want to say
in school, but I'm not 100percent sure, but like I don't
know.
Yet again, for us it's kind ofdifferent because this is the
world that we like fully grew upin and you know we've always
been you, you know from myselfto you and to you know a bunch
of people out there listeninglike that's just common

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knowledge for us, but likesomebody who didn't grow up like
almost all this is brandspanking new and the minute they
start learning all these likecool facts, it's like it's kind
of like mind-blowing to them.
But it's so like satisfying,rewarding, just to watch,
especially with, like with theirsignificant other, or you know,

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eventually, when you, when yourkids get you know into and
start, you know going throughthe whole process and everything
like that.
But you know still going withthe, you know the family talk
and everything like that.
So mom hunts too, everyonehunts.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yep, my mom um hunted when she was younger, but she
didn't hunt as she kind of gother license.
So my brother and I could go atlike at the same time, like if
it was youth day, my mom couldgo with my brother, cause my
brother was older so he knewmore, and then my dad could take
me on youth day, cause I thinkyou needed someone until you're
17 in PA with you.
Um, so my mom like kind of hadto hunt, so my brother and I

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both had the opportunity to go,so she I mean she was hunting,
like hunting, but it was likemore we were, we were hunting
and taking her with us yeah,yeah, yeah, gotcha, gotcha,
that's pretty cool, that's um,you know that's.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
You don't hear that one too often either.
And I think that is pretty likepretty unique and a pretty cool
blessing because, like, as muchas I would love for my mom to
to grow up like to hunt andeverything like that, and she's
okay with with it, but she, justshe, she can't, she won't do it
, um, I don't know.

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Even if she would come out withme, I mean now obviously I'm 30
, but yeah, um, it's, it's, it'sa big difference.
But I I wonder if I begged her,I wonder if she would.
I'm gonna have to try that thisyear you should.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
That would be kind of cool to have your mom go with
you yeah, I haven't been with mymom in a long time, but I would
love for her to be like, hey,would you go with me?
And I'd be like, yes, in aheartbeat.
Especially if I have mydaughter and I take my daughter
like all three of us.
That would be awesome.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, that would be pretty cool to see, and you know
were you guys successful whenyou guys were together.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, I shot.
I remember I shot a doe with mymom on a youth day, probably
because we have like a youth andan old man season and right
like it's like in middle ofarchery season but it's a rifle
season for the youth and the oldmen and I remember I shot a doe
.
Then I've definitely shotturkeys with her and my brother

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has shot crazy amounts of stuffwith her because I'm I mean, I'm
a good hunter but my brother isjust spectacular, like I think
he's lucky, but he, he knows hisstuff yeah, yeah, no, I, I get
that.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Um, you know.
So you guys spent your wholeentire time in PA.
First of all, the amount ofhunters.
I didn't like I knew and you'vebeen hearing it more and more
like you guys have the mosthunters.
I think you guys overtookMichigan and everything like
that.
But today we waited online foryour antlerless deer tag and I

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think my one buddy buddy he wasin line and I think it said he
was like yeah, I got 7 000people in front of me oh my gosh
but I don't know like it was.
So just working the wholewebsite and everything and new
jersey is confusing, don't getme wrong, but I was super
confused.
But then, once I made a login,it led me, I guess, skip the

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whole entire line and I was ableto buy my tags.
And then I was like hey, like Idon't know if this was like a
mess up, but like, but if if youjust have a login or whatever
and you sign in, it will justtake you right, right and you
don't have to wait, and youdon't have to wait only, I think
, 20 minutes and that's.

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He did it too and it worked forhim.
And I was like I I didn'tunderstand it because I was like
is everyone else just a guestsigning in?
Like no one else has a, hastheir own like page, because I
guess the guest had to wait.
But the minute I made myusername and everything like
that, I got let right in and Ibought my tags and then there

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you go well, that's.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
I know, like when I sign in, it like makes you wait
in line because I bought for 2gand like 2g was like one of it's
, like one of the biggest areas.
So like they went on sale thefirst day and I think I was like
100 in line, 114 in line on myphone or something, and I was
like, oh, then I'll just waithere, and I think my laptop was

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like 3,000 and I shut thatbecause I was like I'm not
waiting for that.
So I got mine on my phone but Ihad to like wait for like the
100 to go down and then I couldsign into my account and buy
them.
But once you sign into, thenyou can like sign out of that
account and like sign into thenext account, because I was in
charge of buying my entirefamily's tags because I'm home.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Oh my God, that's crazy.
Pa is just a different.
Like I love it up there, it'sbeautiful, it is.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
And I live in like a pretty good part of the state.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Do you?

Speaker 2 (10:27):
I do, I don't know Like.
Cumming County is just to me isunbelievable.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
How far out is that from Jersey?

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Oh gosh, Probably four and a half hours, I would
say Okay.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Probably four and a half hours.
I would say, okay, so you'refar, so you're closer than what
to Ohio and then West Virginia,like all the way down out over
there.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
I'm like 45 minutes from the New York border Like
okay, all right, yeah, yeah,it's huge, like it.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
It's huge because I'm literally it takes me an hour
ish to get to pa's border andupstate new york's border.
Gosh, I'm trying to buy a housein pa.
That's on the border of newjersey and new york and we were
gonna go to a show and I waslike, oh, like you know what,
maybe I'll go do this.
It's like, right at thebeginning of our hunting season,
I was like, oh, you know what,I could take like a day or two

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off.
It was five hours away and Iwas like, yeah, no, I forgot how
big PA actually is it is.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
I think it takes us like three hours to get to Ohio
three or four hours, if Iremember correctly from driving
out west.
I think it's three, because Ilike when I drive out west, I
like driving for three hours andthen I'm like, all right,
someone else can drive.
My husband could drive for like20 hours and be like all right,
it's your turn and I'm like I'mnot driving for another 20
hours like you're yeah, it's,it's.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
It's the same thing over here, like when we go up to
Maine we're about from our lakehouse.
It's about like 10 to 12 hours.
So I will drive all the way tothe main border, which is five.
She will drive for maybe maybean hour, maybe two, and then I
have to pick up the rest of thethe drive, which is fine, like I

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don't, I just need that littlebreak.
You need that.
Like okay, let me just kick myfeet up, maybe get a little nap
in, because she's usuallysleeping the whole entire time.
So you know, I would like neversleep.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
I'm always like I can't sleep, like I have to be
awake, and then I might sleepfor like 45 minutes and he's
like, all right, you need todrive.
And I'm like, well, I didn'tsleep either.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
I'm like I've been awake for like probably almost
as long as you have well, yeah,technically I've been awake with
you so you can continue to goand you know, I can now take my
little power nap and then, onceI get up, then we can switch for
just two hours, yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
I'm like I don't know , like at three hours I just get
tired of driving.
I'm just like, no, this isboring.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
I'm like.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
I don't know how you drive, for I think when we went
out west with my mom, heliterally and it's like 32, 32
or 35 hours to where we go inMontana.
I think he literally drove forthe first 25 hours and I was
just like how are you alive?
Alive, like what are you?

Speaker 1 (13:24):
doing.
What does one do in that, likeI don't know, a lot of Red Bulls
put them through that.
I think, yeah, it's got to belike you've got to be.
You know having some energydrinks and stuff like that, but
you know, as you, as you gotolder and everything like that.
So when, when did you reallyfall in love with it?

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Like, when did you get?
Was it always you're hooked onit, or was there a certain
moment that really caught you,and what age was that at?

Speaker 2 (13:57):
I think probably I'd have to say I was like 14 or 15
and I came home from volleyballpractice.
My dad had picked me up and Iknew that these doe were coming
down to the farm fields.
My uncle owns a farm across thelike across the road, and I
knew that they were coming downevery single night.
And my dad was like, well, whydon't you go go try to get one?

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And I was like, all right, andat this time I still had a
crossbow because I was.
I was like too, I didn't havethe muscles to pull back a
regular bow and I wasn't workingyet, so I didn't buy my own
compound bow.
Um, so I like grabbed my, mycrossbow and I threw hunting
clothes on over my likevolleyball work, like stuff, and

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I went to the farm and I shotlike my first deer by myself,
like my dad just kind of waslike I'll just sit in the truck,
like you go down.
And they were already out inthe field.
So I like walked down, snuckdown to the edge of the field
and the doe like fed to 30 yards.
And then I got one and it wasjust kind of like insane and I
was like so excited and my dadapparently wasn't paying

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attention to what I was doingand I like had to go up and be
like, did you see that?
And he's like no, and I'm like,oh, I'm like, well, it was
super awesome.
I snuck all the way down thereand I was like then they came
off and I was like, but I thinkthat's like kind of when I got
hooked and then when I was goinginto my freshman year of high

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school, my brother had juststarted getting homeschooled and
I was like, well, that soundscool, like he's home all day.
I want to do that because wehave an hour ride, one way to go
to school.
So I was like I want to do thatbecause then I could hunt.
And that's what I did.
I had to cyber school, but likeI would do my classes that I

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had to be online for on my phone, out of a tree stand and I just
hunted all archery season, allrifle season, bear season, it
didn't matter, I was in thewoods.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Wow, speechless, because I think you're living
everyone's dream.
Who's listening to this rightnow?
Any type of I think evenmediocre, or if you're not even
that into it, like that would belike the dream for everyone.
Like, oh, I just wanted to playhockey and and hunt and fish
and be in the outdoors like man.

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I did.
You get good grades.
Were your grades?

Speaker 2 (16:23):
good.
So it was like most of myclasses were self-paced.
So when school started inAugust I would do like two to
three months worth of homeworkthrough September and then like
if we went out west, I wouldstill take my stuff and do it
out west best, but I would dotwo to three months worth of

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homework, get all of my stuffdone, that I could hunt and do
whatever I wanted for themajority of the time and then,
like dead of winter, I'd pick itback up and finish it, so like
finish the school year out so Icould spring turkey hunt and not
have to worry about doinghomework.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
I love it.
I think that is absolutelyincredible.
I'm going to have to bargainwith the fiance when we
eventually have kids to tohomeschool them, and that's what
they're going to do is hunt andjust do school work.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, it was awesome.
I I mean, I can't tell you howmany times I called my dad and
he's at work and I'm like, hey,like I got a deer down and he's
like you're supposed to be inschool.
I'm like, well, I did it.
I'm like I just put my phonedown during chem, dad, like it's
okay.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Don't worry.
Like you know, class is righthere, it's in session.
Like, don't worry, Like I gotall the work done.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
It was like very minimal classes that I had to
actually be in like present at,and I think it was like Spanish
and like chem, like things thatI couldn't teach myself.
But like a history class, I'mlike I could read that book,
don't worry about it.
I'm like I got and even in likeso it like kind of changed my
college perspective because I,like all these kids, would be
like, no, I have to sit in classand I'm like, no, give me every
class that I could take onlineand that's what I did.

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I did 95% of my classes online.
If I couldn't teach myselfsomething, then I'd sit there in
class and hate it because I hadto drive like down to college
and like I could be in the treeright now, like this class is at
the most inconvenient time ofmy life.
But where?

Speaker 1 (18:21):
where'd you go to school?
I went to Penn College and allright, yeah, yeah, I know where
that is, uh.
So basically high school andcollege were kind of the same.
Like you took majority ofonline classes, you got to hunt
all the time and really livelife to the fullest.
It kind of seems like and andjust enjoy yourself yeah, and

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then I think I had to work.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
I got my like LPN, so I'm a nurse.
Um, I think I only worked forlike three years as an LPN.
And then we had my daughter andAdam was just like, well, I
just rather you raise her thanwe put her in daycare.
And now I hunt all the timeagain he's just is amazing it

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really is like I honestly havethe best husband in the world
because he's like no, like Idon't mind that you're out
hunting and fishing and doingall the things that you love,
because you're teaching ourdaughter about it, even though
she's like only six months oldat the time when I first started
doing it.
He's like you're gonna beteaching her.
So he just is like go do it, Idon't care oh my god, the dream,

(19:28):
the dream it really is thedream.
Like you could have never toldme that this is what my life was
gonna be like.
I'd be like yeah, you're joking.
Like it's just not possible andI think my dad kind of like
slightly is jealous of course Imean I, I'm jealous yeah, well,

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you think my dad would be likehappy for me, but he'd be like
Samantha, you're never gonnashoot a buck with her.
Like you're just kiddingyourself that you like like not
that he doubted me, but hedefinitely doubted me.
Like he just kind of would belike putting it into perspective
, like what are you gonna dowhen the baby cries?

Speaker 1 (20:04):
And I'm like she's going to cry, it's all right,
there's a girl oh my God, Iforgot her name and I think
she's originally from PA and shehunts with the trad bow and she
hunts with her daughter.
I can't remember her name.
Is it Becca?
Yeah, I think so.

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Yeah, oh yeah, I think so yeah,that's why I started following
her and that's how I was likeI'll make it work.
Yeah, I, I followed her andstill do, and the minute she got
pregnant it did not stop thegrind.
And even when the kid was bornand I was like it is phenomenal
to see that, because it's it'snot only just a testament of
what she can do, it is also yoursuch valuable skills that she

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teaches that kid everything, andI think these are things that
are lacking in our youth rightnow and which makes I think this
, this country, just so scary.
I work in um child psych withchildren, obviously child psych
with children, but uh, so I workin psych and everything like

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that.
So I I see it in patient andit's you know what, what you
guys are doing.
You know it is absolutelyincredible one you get to live
out.
You know a dream but then alsoyour.
You know, know valuable skillsand time, good quality time
spent with, with, your daughter.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, you're never gonna get this like time back.
Like I couldn't imagine havingto go to work and coming home
and missing the eight to tenhours that you're at work, like,
and had someone else watchingyour kid, like because I have it
.
I'm just like I don't know howpeople do that and like I know
that some people have no otheroption.

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I get that, but at the sametime, I think child care for we
like looked at it, if we weregoing to put her in daycare
would have been almost my wholecheck and then the rest of it
would have been gas.
So I'm like, why, why?
would I and now I I do like somesocial media work, like I do

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make money, but like I'm like,uh, like I make enough money
that I can help away, I pay mytruck payment.
That's good enough for methat's, that's.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
That's very important too.
You, you need to have a truck,yeah, um man, yeah, it's.
It's like I said, it'sincredible to hear, um, you know
, and looking, I'm very excitedto to also watch the journey for
for you guys too, and and seeeverything like it's just a.

(22:45):
It hits differently for mebecause, basically, you know, I
don't have my kids yet yeah um,but I have kids at work that I
you know and I wish they alwaysask me, you know, and as long as
they're there, I tell the kidsas long as you're here, you know
, if you're here for six months,you're my kid for months.
I'm taking care of you for themost part, like I'm doing, you

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know, I watch these kids growand everything like that.
But so many of them want to goout hunting and they would love
to go hunting and they just wantto learn because it's something
.
We're in the inner city, whereI work as an inner city, so
there's no type of wildlife, notrees, no, nothing.
So everything that I tell themabout hunting is so fascinating

(23:26):
and they just want to know moreand more and more.
But of course I'm like listen,guys, I wish I could, you know,
I really wish I could take youguys out.
But yeah by law.
I I cannot, um, you know so, andI like, I like my job and I
don't want to get fired becauseI need the money.
So it's a bit different, butit's really I would.

(23:48):
I want a lot more parents outthere to do this with their kids
and I know obviously a lot ofparents try.
They just don't have theopportunity and you're very
fortunate that you have theopportunity.
But you know, I would, I wouldlove it for my kids to to have
that opportunity and I think alot of parents now listening to

(24:10):
this would would agree with thatas well yeah, definitely, and
like I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Sometimes it's just like a small thing, like I've
been foraging for berries latelyand like it's not something
that my dad did with me, likebut I just like seen them and I
was like, oh, I'm like these areraspberries.
I was like, well, this issomething Huntley and I are
gonna do every year from now on,because then she's gonna know
like this time of year you cango pick raspberries and
blackberries and blueberries.

(24:34):
And how much money did I justsave us from going to the
grocery store.
Like this kid eats like a grownman.
She needs like I picked a quartof blueberry or no, I picked a
quart of raspberries last weekand she ate them all already.
Like they're gone.
I'm like oh yes so we went andpicked more today with my niece
and like they were just sittingthere eating raspberries, I'm

(24:57):
like, all right, you guys arehappy, I'm happy picking a quart
of raspberries that's that'sthe life, though that that's
exactly what it should be.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
It's what I think you I mean humans are meant for
yeah, not eating all thisprocessed food and everything
like that.
Like we have, um, we haveberries and everything like that
zucchini growing out and wedon't have a bit where we live
it's you don't get much propertyfor what you know, so we're
making whatever we can work andwe're trying to get a place

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where we can have our own farmand because one it's healthier
this way, but it's also it's anarm and a leg to to buy any all
this stuff.
Like you can't go to thegrocery store with 200 and buy
the things that you reallyshould have.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah, exactly, it's insane.
And like I, so my dad has grownsweet corn my entire life and
like my dad sells his sweet cornfor $3 a dozen or like maybe
four.
And like you go to the grocerystore or even like some of like
the markets that are like localgrown and it's like six to seven
dollars for half a dozen yearsor even a dozen, and I'm just

(26:10):
like you're insane.
I'm like you just drive like 20minutes up the road you can get
it for four bucks and it'sreally great corn.
But we, like I started a gardenhere this year.
I always had like raised beds,but then I also had my parents
because their next road over.
Like I walked to their houseevery day and like it's nice to

(26:32):
live that close because then,like we just kind of share
everything.
But I started my own gardenthis year and I'm like, wow,
this saved us so much money.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Like not that I always bought a lot of stuff,
but now I don't have to buy muchright you're, you're getting
your meat from, from hunting,you're growing crops and
everything like that, and it itsaves and helps cut down on a
lot of things where you guyswill have that extra, extra
money for for other things aswell and for for your kids.
Um, you know, having a secondone on the way.

(27:00):
You know what?
How are you planning to battlethat with two kids and also an
upcoming hunting season as aswell?

Speaker 2 (27:11):
I well I should get through archery season and rifle
season still pregnant, so Iplan on just hunting my way
through it, doing what I can doand carrying huntley the same
way that I do on my back um.
I'm due in january, so turkeyseason next year should be rough

(27:34):
yeah um, I also think the newbaby will be big enough to be in
the pack and huntley, mydaughter will be big enough to
walk and we'll just kind of takeit day by day as it goes, yeah,
yeah, no, it's it is what Imean.
It is what it is.
I just enjoy getting out like.

(27:54):
I didn't get to hunt much withturkey season with Huntley this
year because my dad well, my dad, my dad and my daughter went
with me one day.
My dad carried her.
It was kind of awesome to havethat, but most mornings my mom
was still home and she's like,hey, I'll just watch her, so you
have the opportunity to try toget a turkey while like while

(28:15):
you can.
Because after like the firstweek I think, my mom had to go
back to work or something, orlike work earlier and she
couldn't watch her.
So I was like, all right, yeah,work earlier.
And she couldn't watch her.
So I was like, all right, yeah.
And then the day that I shot myturkey it was like durantial
downpouring and I was like, well, I'm not going to take her at
all if my mom can watch her.
So I didn't take her and then Iended up shooting a turkey and I
only bought one tag, becausefor like the last five years, I

(28:37):
bought two tags and I never shotmy second turkey, or I never
shot a turkey in general yeah,really yeah, I didn't shoot a
turkey for five years.
I had a very rough time.
I missed a lot of turkeys infive years and it was pretty
rough on my ego.
But then I shot a turkey thefirst week this year.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
What's?
What's the turkey, turkeypopulation?
Look around you.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
It's coming back.
It was pretty rough, in myopinion, for the past five years
and like we have turkeys it'snot that we don't, but they're
like three and four year oldbirds.
We didn't have like a lot oftwo-year-old birds for a while.
Like if there was two-year-oldbirds, they got shot and it just

(29:23):
, or like they just got messedwith so much because we do have
such a heavy population ofhunters that by the time that
you'd be like getting around tohunt a different bird that
didn't get shot or somethinglike it just they're call shy
and it just just have to playthe game right.
And I am not the best turkeyhunter.
I don't.

(29:43):
I don't know why.
My dad taught me everything heknows and he tells me I get too
in my head over turkeys and Ijust care too much about it and
I'm like, well, I do.
I'm like I, I do care a lot.
Like I was 37 weeks pregnantwith Huntley and I missed a
turkey because there was likebrush.
But I thought the when theturkey stuck his head up, the

(30:06):
brush was going to be like highlower than his head and I was
going to have the perfect shot.
And then I missed this turkeyand my dad was like, what are
you doing?
And I was like, well, now Ilook at it and I see it.
But in the moment it lookedcompletely different.
And then I didn't shoot aturkey while I was pregnant with
her and I was like, live it.
And I said if I didn't shoot aturkey this year I was done

(30:26):
turkey hunting because I justhad gone for so many years and
having so many mess-ups that Iwas like I just my mind cannot
take it.
But turns out I was like fiveweeks pregnant and just hormonal
when I was having all thesethoughts um, yeah, no, turkeys,

(30:46):
it's.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
It's one of those things that the population is on
this like I don't even knowwhat you want to call it, but
it's a lot of places it's.
We had michael chamberlain onand he was like, yeah, it's in a
decline.
You know, there's a lot of workthat needs to be done.
I mean, here in jersey, likeone of my main spots, like I've
tried to get into turkey huntingand was never successful

(31:10):
because there were no birds inmy area, like you hear, maybe
like one or two, and finallythis year I was hunting an area
that we were just on birds everyhunt, every single hunt.
Um, you know, and it lit thisfire underneath me where it's
like, all right, now Iunderstand everyone's obsession.
Like I get it now?

Speaker 2 (31:32):
yeah why people are they they like, seriously, I
love turkey hunting.
Like I'll spend two monthsahead of time listening to them,
like, once they start gobbling,like I am listening to turkeys
every single day Cause I justlove it, and like I'll spend
time in the woods I'll knowexactly what those turkeys are
going to do.
And then, like opening day, itall gets messed up.

(31:54):
And then I'm like, well, I'mlike I really put a lot into
this and my dad's right, like Iput too much into it.
It's not like I just don't goand just do it and that's
probably what happens to me, butI don't know.
We did have a lot of.
We had a lot of turkeys thispast year, but we also had a
good hatch last year and, likethis year, I've seen a lot of

(32:17):
poults around again not as manyas I've seen last year, but I
did see a lot.
So I feel like we had anothergood hatch.
So I'm hoping our turkeypopulation is starting to come
back pretty strong yeah, I, Ihope so.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
I mean I hope so for for everyone you know, and I see
that, uh, that's a beautifulbobcat that you killed oh, thank
you was um trapped or did youshoot it?

Speaker 2 (32:42):
I trapped it.
It that was my first thing Iever trapped, and then it was my
first bobcat, so it was likeamazing.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
So you got into trapping and everything like
that as well.
Did dad used to trap as?

Speaker 2 (32:57):
well, yeah, my dad trapped my entire childhood but
the money isn't there for itanymore.
It's not worth it.
So he's like, if you want towaste gas, go ahead and waste
gas.
But it gave Huntley and Isomething to do all winter.
Just can't sit around.
It drives me insane.
So I kind of was like, well,I'm like if you, if you'll go

(33:20):
with me a couple of times andset a couple of traps, like yeah
, I'll get into it.
So I started, um, doing thefootholds, and then I also got
into cable restraints and cablerestraints.
My dad didn't do it all, so hewould go with me, so like he
could learn what I learned fromdoing the cable restraints class
that you have to take.
And he was like, well, this isreally cool.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah, no, it's, trapping is that thing where
it's, it's so unfortunate.
I think that that's anotherpart of the decline in turkeys,
one of the many, but it's it'san artwork that isn't passed out
, passed down enough, you know,or I mean it's passed down

(34:04):
between family but it's nottaught enough to anyone who's
outside of that.
And hunting is already veryrestricted, kind of like if you
don't have anyone in the familyor didn't don't have anyone
friends or like that.
It's a very tough sport to getinto.
And then you had trapping,which is even I don't.
I didn't know anyone who trapped.

(34:25):
I mean, we grew up.
No one trapped, at least that Iknow of, and I feel like it
started to get back on that riseof popularity, not because of
the money, obviously, butbecause of, I think everyone's
starting to see man.
We have too many raccoons, toomany coyotes, too many foxes,
too many just nest predators,and these turkeys are getting

(34:46):
hit hard and it's something that, as um outdoorsmen, that we
have to all do is manageeverything, and trapping is an
excellent form to to do that,especially raccoons.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, and if you have the time, like I think that you
should get into it, andespecially raccoons, because
they have those dog proof trapsLike anyone can do that, Like
anyone could do that.
And the guy that um belongs toour camp, he had like a fur

(35:25):
trapping store or whatever andhe was like Samantha, like you
can do this, because anyone cando dog fruit traps, like I'm
telling you anyone.
And then I was like, well, nowI just really want to catch a
bobcat and a fisher.
I had two big goals bobcat anda fisher.
I didn't catch a fisher, but Icaught my bobcat, so I was happy
yeah, I mean, you got to behappy about that for sure yeah,

(35:48):
um, this year I'll hit coonshard, and I want to.
I really would like to try tocatch a coyote.
I caught a fox last year, but Ididn't catch a coyote.
They like outsmarted me everyday.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Yeah, yeah, listen, coyotes outsmart me all the time
.
I I coyote hunt and I'm stilllearning the whole predator
hunting and everything likethat's just a different aspect,
but I just love doing it.
Doing it at night is so muchfun.
But new jersey, we can only usea shotgun, um, so it gives them
the advantage without eventhey're already with the
advantage and then you just gavethem an even bigger advantage.

(36:22):
But you know, it's, it's thatone thing, that it's, it's all
necessary, you know it's, itreally is, and we don't do
enough coyote hunting.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Now, I mean, now that I have my daughter, I don't,
she doesn't wake up early enoughfor me to go in the morning and
call like I used to.
But I keep saying to my husbandand he even said to me the
other day, he's like we need togo call for coyotes.
And I'm like, yeah, I know, Iwas like maybe I should just
have my mom come stay here inthe morning so we can go early
enough.
That it would.
We might have a chance.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah, it's, it's.
It's an early grind, but youknow if anyone out there can do
it, you know it's it's somethingthat's very needed for sure.
So, as as we're going on inlife and you know you got the
kid and you know the husband andthe other kid coming coming
along, you know what.
What are some of the goals?
You know, do two sit.
Are you guys competitive?
Do you guys set goals with eachother?
Do you try to out hunt eachother or anything like that?

Speaker 2 (37:27):
I think I would try to out hunt him, but he doesn't
really care.
Like he's just like I want youto shoot a big buck, I want you
to do this, I want you to dothat, and I'm just like, well,
yeah, I want to too, but I alsoam hunting with a toddler.
Like I'm going to shoot thefirst buck not the first buck, I
see, but if it's like not abonafide spike buck, I'm going
to shoot it.
But he's just I don't know, hejust always wants me to do it.

(37:52):
Like he doesn't care if heshoots a deer.
Like he was with me when I shotthe buck that I shot last year
with Huntley and he was justlike.
I was like are you gonna shootit?
Because he had less time than Ihad?
I'm like I have every day.
Like I don't care.
He's like no, he's like I wantyou to shoot a buck with Huntley
, like it's gonna be amazing andI'm like okay okay, if you say
so, yeah like all right, andthen he shot a bigger buck than

(38:15):
me and I was like this wasthat's why.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
That's why he wanted you to take that one, because,
yeah, makes sense now.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
So maybe secretly, maybe secretly, he's competitive
yeah, I think he doesn't careabout it as much as I do, like
he loves hunting, but it's notthe same sense not, yeah, not in
the same sense like I'm tellinglike you know what time is,
like what part of archery seasonit is, just by how my mood is

(38:46):
in the house.
I'm like like opening day, I'mhappy, it's great, I love it.
But by the end of the season,like Halloween comes around and
I still don't have a deer, likedon't talk to me.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Oh yeah, I got it.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Because I'm just like mind blown and like annoyed and
like where we hunt there's alot of other hunters.
So like nine times out of 10,if I don't have a deer at that
point, even a doe, it's becausepeople are setting up 75 yards
for me.
And I'm just like you have nocommon sense in a way, and like
I hunt state game lands.
I know how it is.

(39:22):
I, I love it, I love where Ihunt, but at the same time,
people, when people do that, I'mjust like of course there's
like 75,000 acres of game landshunt somewhere else besides 75
yards for me uh, yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
It's the most frustrating thing about hunting
state land, but I don't knowit's so rewarding.
I, you know we, we try to getprivate.
You know we've.
We've gotten private, I think,the last like three or four
years.
I don't know if we'll get itthis year.
I'm looking around but also Idon't don't't really need.
I got a lot of public accessright, but it's frustrating

(40:03):
because you have to deal withother people yeah but it's so
much more rewarding when youkill on state land.
I I don't care whatever size itis.
I think when you kill a buck onstate land it just means so
much more than you shooting.
Uh, somebody's shooting a 160on private, well, yeah, no shit,

(40:26):
you know, I'm not surprisedthat you did that and
congratulations.
Yeah, state land deer, publicland deer are just, they're a
different breed.
They're just hunted hard,especially in in a pa,
especially like a michigansomewhere where you guys just
have such densely populatedstates for hunting.

(40:46):
Where it's, it's an, it'sabsolutely just insane.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
I couldn't imagine and, like I, live where everyone
dreams of living, like alltheir camps are here, so this is
where everyone travels andyou're like.
Well, I just did all thisscouting and I didn't see one
person that's all year long.
And now you're here and I'm justlike, how do you know that this
is where they are?
Or like even turkeys, like whenit's turkey season, and people

(41:13):
just show up the day before theseason and I'm like how, like
I've watched these birds formonths and now you're just here
and it's like, hey, I alwayshunt here and I'm like I've
never seen you before and Ilived here for 20 some years,
like I was pretty much born here.

(41:34):
You can't tell me that you'vehunted here right oh man.
I had that happen to me one yearin turkey season.
It was like the first year Iturkey hunted by myself and
these guys came in.
I was in the woods at like 4 30as early as I could get there,
and these guys come in, walkeddirectly by me like I shine my

(41:57):
flashlight at them.
They walked by me and set up 30yards in front of me and I was
just like what, like, like, whywould you do that?
Like, especially with a shotgun?
Like that's dangerous.
And like I like called mybrother and I was like what do I
do?
He's like I'll just be over.
He's like I'm just coming toget you.
Like okay, do I do?
He's like I'll just be over.
He's like I'm just coming toget you, like okay.

(42:18):
And he like came and got me andwe like walked in front of them
and like went down over themountain after the turkeys
because he's like I'll beaggressive with it.
But he knew I wasn't going tobe by myself because I was yeah,
yeah.
I'm like what are?
I'm like they're dudes and likeI'm a girl by myself, like
obviously I have a shotgun.
But I'm like like what if theytry to hurt me?

Speaker 1 (42:38):
like yeah yeah people are crazy.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
I trust animals way more than I trust people yeah,
exactly like people will be likewell, I'm worried about bears.
I'm like, really, I'm like yeah.
I have a lot to be worriedabout than a bear in the woods
yeah, yeah, exactly, and it's I.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
I, this year, I think it was this year yeah, it's.
I had a hunt, got in thereearly in the morning, set up,
everything was great.
I, I had good feeling, it wasnice and cold.
You just have that feeling inthe air that like magic is gonna
happen.
I, you know the light starts tocome up.
You know you're, you'reshooting lights and all of a

(43:19):
sudden you hear crunching.
But then I see a flashlight andI'm just like, oh, I'm like
you've got to be kidding me.
I'm like why why do you waitand listen if you ran behind?
Listen, it does happen, don'tget me wrong.
But come on, at least.
Like, don't come in with withthe flashlight.
Maybe try coming in quiet, likeyou know the sun's coming up,

(43:43):
so, honestly, you don't have towalk in with the light.
You know you could actually makeit seem like you're a deer.
You could take three steps andthen stop.
That's what I do.
Like, if I get in into thewoods late and I see a car, you,
you know, if gosh forbid thereis somebody out there, I walk in
and it'll take me forever toget to my spot, because I'm

(44:07):
basically spot, stop, spot andstalking walking in?
Yeah, because you don't.
You don't know what's movingaround.
So you know one of my buddies.
He's like listen, sometimes youdon't have to rush like if
you're late or you know.
You know deer aren't movinguntil a certain time in your
area.
He goes, you walk in, but youact like a deer.
You take odd number of steps,you stop and you just listen and

(44:27):
that's what they do.
Don't ruin somebody else's hunt.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Exactly that's.
I can't tell you how many timesI've like pulled into the
parking lot.
If someone beats me, I'm like,well, I know that there's
something over here and I'lljust go hunt somewhere where
there's not someone else because, like I would hate if someone
did that to me.
And like, even if I pull into alike a parking lot and I'm like
I know it goes into a big areaand I'll just go somewhere else,

(44:53):
like it's not that big of adeal to me because I know where
there's other spots, like I uphere, or even if it's not a spot
that I've gone before, that mydad's taken me, I'm like, oh
well, no one's parked here andI've never hunted here.
I want to go there, so I'll godo.
I'll just go do that and it'slearning something different.
But I don't know People, justthey don't always think about it

(45:16):
.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
When that happens, you know what.
What type of setup are you intosaddles yet Like?
Are you ground what?
So what?
What's your paint?
Your setup?
For us?
I know it's different now withwith the, with the kid and
everything like that.
You can't be in a saddle rightnow, but you know what.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
What's your, your setup look like so if I have
Huntley, I have the pack and I'mjust ground hunting kind of
spot and sock.
If she's, if she falls asleep,I'll sit down and just kind of
chill for as long as she'llsleep and then I'm kind of back
on the move because she won'twant to sit still.
Um, but if I have like if mymom could watch Huntley she

(45:55):
wants to watch her when I'm at anight hunt and Adam and I could
go hunt, I will saddle hunt.
I do have a saddle, but I neverthought they were like the most
comfortable thing, so I also.
We also have lock-ons.
It just kind of depends onwhere I'm going.
If it's I want to go huntsomewhere where I've never
hunted, I have a climber, my, Iuse my dad's old loggy bayou.

(46:16):
Um, I love that stand.
Um, they're heavier than propsyeah, they're heavier than um
the saddle, but it's like I'mcarrying huntley at this point,
so I'm just like yeah that'strue too.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Yeah, yeah, that's true nothing changes muscles.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Now that I carry a 20 pound baby around on my back
all the time any any femalehunters out there.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Perfect example if you get used to carrying the
baby, nothing else will.
It's just like another workout.
It's another time out in thewoods.
You're, you're carrying the kidin the woods, whether it's a,
you know, a stand, a, you know,maybe even dragging out a, a
deer.
I mean, that's going to be alittle bit more, but at least
you, at least you prepare.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
At least it's like you're constantly prepping
yourself for, for the thingsthat are gonna happen in the
woods yeah, I got a lot ofquestions about how I lost the
baby weight and I was like, well, when she was five days old, I
started carrying her everywhereI went.
I'm like I carried her on mylike, on the, on my chest.
I had chest carriers and everyday of Adam's two weeks off

(47:24):
while I had her, we went andhung trail cameras.
I'm like she was only eightpounds but that was eight extra
pounds to carry.
Now I'm like now she's 20pounds how did I?
lose the baby weight.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
I carried it I carried the extra baby oh man,
yeah, no, it's, it's insane thatis.
It's a you.
You would never have thought ofthat like I.
I would have, probably, if Iwould have known you, I probably
would ask the same questionlike how, how does one, how does
one do that?
But it makes complete sense now.

(47:57):
I mean, you hear about it, youknow I.
I know a few ladies, um, theylove working out and I mean the
minute the kids out and aboutand they're able to do it,
they're back on the grind andand working out and as long as
you're active like it's justcommon kind of knowledge it's
just gonna to automaticallyhappen.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yeah, it just got to.
I don't know I I used to workout, but I feel like I just
tried to be outside as much as Icould with Huntley, so like the
postpartum depression neversnuck in, like as long as I
could still do what I loved, Iwas like I feel like I won't get
depressed and I didn't.
But I like dealt with a lot ofdepression while pregnant.

(48:38):
It just pregnancy is a veryhard thing that women go through
.
It's very hard for some reason.
I don't know why growing awhole baby is difficult, but
it's just so.
I just was like as long as I'moutside, like I feel like I
can't be sad.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
So I just tried to do as much as I could outside and
thankfully she was a very goodbaby and was cooperative with it
, just kind of went with it oror anything like that, like

(49:21):
where you had to have a certainlike game meat or a certain dish
or certain style, where youjust had to keep on coming like
anything, anything unique oranything like that.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
I feel like I just craved elk the most and then,
naturally, my dad didn't shootan elk last year, so we had no
elk meat.
I was just like trying to dodifferent things with venison to
make it seem like, and it justwas not.
But I also, we butcher all ofour own stuff, so we do like all
of our own summer sausage, allof our own bologna, so I like

(49:48):
all of our summer sausage.
And my dad was like I know, Itell you that you need to like
eat the summer sausage so wedon't have a bunch of it at the
end of the year.
But, samantha, like you'reeating all of it.
And I was like, yeah, like well, I'm not supposed to eat lunch
meat, so I'm like this is theclosest thing to lunch meat that
I can have.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Oh man, that that's it's, it's a.
Completely.
I love hearing this, thisdifferent aspect of it, because
you know we never get to, youknow you never get to really
hear about it.
You know, um, for for, at leastfor for me, because I don't.
Yet again, like I said, it'sgrowing so much.

(50:28):
I think females have really justtaken off in the outdoors and
it's it's great to see.
And you know, if I havedaughters, I, I hope they do the
same.
But now you're still, you getto like hear everything that you
guys have gone through whilepregnant, while you know, after

(50:49):
having the baby, everything likethat, and it's like you guys
are just, you guys are better.
I, I tell you, you guys arebetter than this.
My fiance is a better shotwe're talking about at the, at
the show, and she might be ableto hear me.
I'm not sure, but I straight uptell everyone, if she, just if
she really got stuck to it andpracticed a little more, she

(51:11):
would blow me out the waters.
I, I don't have nearly as goodas a shot as her, and it's it's
crazy to say, because I've beenshooting so much longer than her
and this is what I do every,almost every single day, like
I'm obsessed with it.
And you know she outshotactually a bunch of the guys at

(51:31):
the at the shoot where I wasreally proud of her.
We did the iron bear and shemade it further than a bunch of
guys and they all can shootreally well too and she
impressed a lot of people, sheimpressed a lot of me and I
think if she likes it and shegets serious about it, she may
be a better, definitely shot.
I don't know about hunter yet.

(51:52):
I think that's gonna take a.
I think that going to just takeher a little longer to learn.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
It does.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
But eventually I do like she probably can.
I think she, I think I just hadbetter patience than her.
And that's the only thing Iwork with were kids.
I was with 20 or 30 kids whowere screaming and and got it.
So I get, I've learned.
My patience is just different.
But besides that I mean it'syeah, no.

(52:21):
And one of my other, he's thesame thing.
It's like his, his wife, he'slike she's such a better shot
than I was when, when I firststarted out like I don't know,
like I don't know if you guysare just more patient in that
sense you guys just have more II really don't know, because a
lot of the girls and like I thatyou see, they're excellent

(52:42):
marksmen, they, they can expectwith a bow, with a gun, like
they can, they could shoot wherewe, maybe we rush.
I think maybe guys rush orimpatient, I think maybe a
little more in certain stuff.
I don't know what it is, butit's it's.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
It's phenomenal to see I feel like I was a better
shot Like not that I'm a badshot, I'm still really good but
I feel like I was better when Ifirst started out, like when I
first bought a compound bow.
My groups were way better theentire summer than they are now.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Do you think that's because you're overthinking
right now, because you know somuch?

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Because I know so much that I just like get to in
my head and, like when I firstgot my compound bow, I broke my
foot three weeks before I wentand picked it up because I had
to like order it and everything.
So I went and picked it up andI had a broken foot and I was
shooting on crutches.
So the fact that I was a bettershot then than I am now is kind

(53:40):
of concerning.
Like I had a broken foot oncrutches and I was just like oh
yeah, this is cake but my dadlike always told me I was such a
great shot and like now weshoot and he's like what are you
doing?
And I'm like I don't know.
I'm like my groups at 30 yardswill kill a deer.
They will, but I'm like they'llget better.
Just give me some time.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
I don't know if this is for you, but I do a lot
better when I'm shooting at likean animal, like I like to do
printouts.
So I actually will get a fulland I will have to shoot at like
an actual deer.
I can't shoot anymore at dotsunless, like I'm originally
sighting in a new site then likeI kind of do it, but then after
that like I can't do it, like I, I just I could put my grouping

(54:25):
at dots is horrible, horrendous, compared to my grouping at
like something real, like a 3dtarget or something like that.
Do you have you noticed that?

Speaker 2 (54:37):
I feel like I would definitely do better at 3d
targets, because we've shot 3dsa couple times but not a lot,
and like I feel like Idefinitely do better.
But we just have at what ourhouse and at my dad's house if I
go shoot with him my dad builtlike a backstop and then we have
our targets that we just set infront and then over here we did

(54:57):
the same thing.
So like that's what I shootevery night, every morning,
that's what I'm used to, andlike now that I've been shooting
for a couple weeks consistently, or even a couple days
consistently, my groups aredefinitely better than they were
a couple days ago.
But there's actually an archeryshoot this weekend, um, not far

(55:19):
from me, and I was like, well,we should go.
And then I was looking at itit's just for traditional, like
traditional archers, and I waslike dang, but the next one's
off in August and it's on mybirthday weekend and I was like,
well, we know what we're doingfor my birthday are you, you're,
so you're a Leo yeah same here,august 5th.
August 15 15th.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Okay, all right, all right, leos, that's.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Always love having Leos on.
I don't think you're like thesecond or third Leo that we've
had on and that's about it and ahundred and almost 200 episodes
.
So would you ever considergoing to a trad setup?

Speaker 2 (56:00):
I've thought about it , because now I have the time to
learn something new, that I'velike thought about it and I'm
just kind of like ah, like, ifwe have extra money I would
probably do it, just because itwould be something different.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Yeah, just because it would be something different.
Yeah, yeah, but do you do umwith that?
Like?
I know pa offers so much like,do you do any flintlock hunting,
like, because I know you guyscan do a lot like, a lot more
than what most states can do andyou guys have that all.
Like I saw it, I think, um, Igot a something with the
flintlock.
It said something let me, letme take a look, and I was like

(56:37):
what it's like, what the hell isthat?
I mean, I've never seen thatonce in my life on any hunters,
and I know pa does have that yep, I um my dad's big on saving a
doe tag for flint flintlockseason.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Uh, so the past four or five years I've flintlock
hunted and actually the firsttime my husband ever shot a duck
like a flintlock like literallywe've never taken him to shoot
a flintlock and we were like, oh, let's go flintlock hunting and
we'll take the bow.

(57:15):
And we like seen this deer spotand stock.
The snow was super deep.
And he was just like, well,I'll just sneak up there with my
boat.
And I was like, no, just takethis.
And my dad was with us, whichwas kind of weird that all three
of us were hunting together.
But my dad was like here, justtake the flintlock.
And I was like, what do I do?
And he just kind of like waslike just do this and then do

(57:35):
pull this and then pull that andjust just go.
And he shot this deer at like60 yards off hand and just
knocked it down.
And I was just like I looked atmy dad.
I was like, did that justhappen?
I'm like did he actually justhit, like shoot that deer?
And it's like like if I wouldhave done that I would have

(57:57):
missed or the gun wouldn't havewent off because that's how
right.
And he's just like, yeah, Ithink he did.
It's just like this.
And it was probably like one ofthe first years Adam was
hunting with us.
So he was like on this, likehunting's easy thing, and I'm
like you just wait.
I'm like you wait until youdon't shoot a buck and you're

(58:17):
gonna be so mad.
But yeah, then he shot aflintlock doe, first time ever
shooting a flintlock, and I wasjust like what kind of luck is
this?

Speaker 1 (58:27):
yeah, you, you did say in the beginning that he's
probably some a lot of luckinvolved and you know now it's
gill and you know he's he's comea long way but the first year
you gotta that that's the firstyear definitely has got to be a
lot of luck on the side andespecially something you've
never I've never even shot.
I've never shot one of thoseand I've been shooting guns
since I was like 10.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Yeah, they're super cool.
I never used to want to shootone Cause I was always like,
like, cause the the spark?
I was like I have long hair.
I'm like my hair is going tocatch on fire and my dad's like,
no, it's not.
I'm like, but then one year Ineeded a buck.
Um, I think it was probablylike 2018 or 2019.

(59:07):
I didn't shoot a buck and I,like seriously needed a buck.
So I flintlock, hunted superhard and then, ever since then,
I've just kind of done it, CauseI was like, oh, my hair is not
actually going to catch on fire.
Little girl fear there.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Listen, I mean I, I don't.
I mean I don't have to worryabout my hair catching on fire.
I mean I really, you know, butgosh forbid.
I like do something and touchmy girlfriend or fiance's hair
wrong.
She'll kill me.
She's obsessed and I knowthat's one of her fears, like
when it comes to hunting.
Make sure nothing's wrong withthe hair.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
That's about it but like the fear of my hair catch
because like it's a bit like Idon't know if you put too much
powder and it's a big spark andlike I don't know I've just seen
the guys shoot him before I'mlike that's a big, like a big
spark that comes out of them andI was just like I feel like if
my hair is down it would catchon fire.
My dad's like this is why youjust need to cut all your hair

(01:00:08):
off and I'm like not happening,yeah, no I feel like, oh, go
ahead he always like growing up.
Every time we went hunting he'slike your hair is showing, like
the deer are gonna see it, andI shot a lot of deer.
I'm just like really, dad, likethey don't care um, and you

(01:00:31):
talked about you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
You guys go out west.
So what is out west?
Like what?
Where do you got?
You said montana.
I believe you said yeah we've.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
We've gone to Montana the past couple of years.
My dad used to go to Colorado.
Adam and I are actuallydebating going to Colorado for a
late season elk If my daddoesn't get an elk tag this year
, which he's in for like asecond chance drawing for
Montana.
He didn't get drawn the firsttime.
So if he gets a second chancedrawing he'll go in September

(01:01:01):
and we go to Montana and go elkhunting and we usually get mule
deer tags.
And then Adam and I have turkeyhunted the past three years,
which it's kind of weird becauseMontana people don't really
fall turkey hunt but we go inthe fall for, like my dad's elk
hunting.
I'm like, well, I'll get a, I'llget a turkey tag and then I can

(01:01:22):
turkey hunt.
It's like the most expensiveturkey tag I've ever paid for.
But I turkey hunt with a bowand we've shot a couple turkeys.
My brother actually went withus last year, didn't even plan
on going to Montana.
Like the day before we leavehe's like, all right, I'll go
and like, packs his stuff, takeshis bow, buys Montana.
Like the day before we leavehe's like, all right, I'll go
and like, packs his stuff, takeshis bow, buys a Turkey tag the

(01:01:42):
day we get there and shoots aTurkey that day and I'm just
like, are you doing?
I'm like how is this possibleThen out of my Turkey hunt super
hard and get Turkeys like thelast day?
I'm just like what the heck?

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Oh man, what?
What's it like hunting muledeer?
You know, we, we over here, Idon't.
We've had a few yet again a fewpeople on who've done it, but
for the most part it iscompletely.
I know nothing about huntingmule deer, is it?
It's a tougher of a hunt yeah,I, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
So I've never actually shot a mule deer
because they're tough to hunt.
Um, they're just complete.
I think they're different thanhunting white tail Like, and at
the time when I was hunting outthere for mule deer, I didn't
ground hunt at home, I wasalways in a tree stand.
Oh wait, like I just didn'tground hunt at all.

(01:02:35):
I didn't understand how toground hunt with a bow, and now
I have a different concept of it.
So I feel like I could be a lotbetter if I would get a mule
deer tag this year and go muledeer hunting.
But it's just.
I feel like it's a lot of spotand stocking and it's just

(01:02:56):
completely different than what Iwas used to when I was out
there at the time.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Yeah, I mean I, that's, that's what I've heard.
I heard it's just completelydifferent.
Like you said, it is a lot ofspot and stalking and you know I
would be in the same boatbecause I don't I'm on the
ground.
I mean it's very rarely, very,very, very rarely.
I I think I keep a log everyyear and I think last year we

(01:03:24):
did it.
I did it with the fiance once,I think besides turkey and
waterfowl, I think maybe twohunts were not in a tree stand
or or a saddle out of.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
I think I got up to 70 something hunts yeah, like
until last year I hadn't groundhunted since I was using a
crossbow and like I literallywould have a broken foot and
still figure out how to get intoa tree.

(01:03:57):
Like I just didn't have aconcept on how to ground hunt.
It just was like foreign to me.
And then last year I had tolike like rework my brain on
hunting because I had mydaughter and I wanted to hunt
and I was like I obviously can'ttake her into a tree.
I like made the joke to my mom.

(01:04:17):
I was like, well, if I have adouble man ladder stand, I could
like use her car seat and pullher up and just strap her fast.
And she's like you are joking,right.
I'm like, yeah, I'm 100% joking, but I'm like I could do that.
I'm like it's safe when she's ina car seat and she's like, no,
it's not.
I'm like yeah, I'm joking, mom,it's really okay oh my god,

(01:04:39):
yeah, no, I.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
It makes you a better hunter, though, being that like
diverse in it and, you know,having like a just another tool
in the trade.
It's something that I think weeven agreed, like our, our team.
It's like we, and I want to say, rely too much on, on saddles
and stuff like that, because Iwill pick a tree and I'd much
rather hunt any day of the weekup in a tree.

(01:05:05):
I just think it's it's so muchbetter, but there are certain
situations where you may nothave the opportunity to, you
know, and it actually might bejust more beneficial for you to
be on the ground yeah and havingthat idea of you know what.
I now know how to kind of do it,because you're right, if you

(01:05:27):
don't do it, it throws youcompletely off.
I have, like I remember thefirst, the first, like real year
, uh, biaka started hunting.
I had to text one of my buddies, uh, american mike, because he
hunts 99 on the ground.
He's kills almost everything onthe ground, and I was like dude
, like I need your help becauseI have no idea what, like I know

(01:05:48):
how to hunt, I know how to findthe sign, but like setting up a
ground blind and everything, or, and doing all this like this
is your specialty, help me out.
He let us uh hunt his spot andeverything like that.
And it was.
It was amazing.
It was like, oh wow, like thisis, I could see it's very comfy,
I do.
I think I get a little toocomfortable on the ground.
I think that's where what hurtsme a little bit.

(01:06:10):
I kind of sometimes will forgetI'm hunting and I'll just get
complacent on the ground.
But um, and I, I think it's, Ithink it's necessary for
everyone to to do and it'ssomething that, yet again, I
haven't really done since 2014,maybe 2014, I think 2015, yeah,

(01:06:32):
2014.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
I would say the last time I really because I'm 14, 15
, when I really hunted on theground yeah, it's, if you don't
do it, you don't like you justkind of forget how to do it,
like I shot a lot of deer withthe crossbow on the ground and
then I like got my compound bowand I was like, no, this doesn't

(01:06:53):
seem possible on the ground,but it is like yeah yeah, yeah
it's very much like reallyrethink it but it completely is.
And like my dad um, shot a buckthat I called dibs on but like
at the same time like it doesn't, like you're hunting game lens,

(01:07:14):
like it doesn't really matter.
But I was like if I'm gonnashoot a buck, that's the buck I
want to shoot.
And then I think I was sick andI didn't go hunting that day
and it was like super hot butalso super windy.
So my dad went and was groundhunting and shot, like walked up
on this big 10 point that Iwanted to shoot and shot it at

(01:07:36):
like 20 yards and it's just kindof like he like said, like he
told me he did that and I waslike that's impossible, like
this was before.
I was like ground hunting withmy daughter, so I was like you
just walked up on it and he'slike, yeah, it was bedded down
and I just it was windy and justhappened and I was like yes,

(01:07:59):
I'm like you're lying to me.
I'm like you're lying to make mefeel better about this
situation.
And he's like no, this is whatreally happened.
And then, like now I like letit go eventually.
But I was just like I'm likewell, that's pretty cool, dad,
like pretty neat that you didthat yeah, no, I.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
I would say I, I don't know it's, it's such a I.
I give all credit for peoplewho get it done on the ground
spot and stock what, what.
It doesn't matter what you'redoing.
I give credit to anyone whokills a deer, but doing it on
the ground, because it'ssomething, yet again, that I
don't do.
It's like it's even harder, youknow, and it's yet again that I
don't do.
It's like it's even harder, youknow, and it's it takes even

(01:08:40):
more skill than anything um anydabble in any black bear hunting
yeah, um, I've actually shottwo bear in my hunting career.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
I shot one when I was four.
No, how old was I?
I'm going to say 14.
I think I was 14.
I got a triple crown that yearand then I just shot one in 2021

(01:09:10):
again.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Love it, love, love.
How do you, you guys, eat thebear?

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
yes, so our camp does a big um bear roast.
So all the bears that get shot,most of the meat gets donated
to our camp, and then we have abig party, memorial day weekend,
and they roast the bear and weshare it with all of our friends
and family.
That's a great time.
And then I also like startedthe bear roast that I had.

(01:09:39):
I've made like bear cheesesteaks and like bear roast at
home and it's just like somepeople don't like bear meat but
I think it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
I think people are crazy who don't?
I had somebody on the the otherday who, um, he does it, he'll
eat it and he, he, you know he'snot a big fan of jersey bear, I
guess, but um, because I guess,yeah, I get it in some areas in
jersey like you're not gonnaget.
You know the tasty of the bears, of bears, but I mean the bear
that I that I killed a coupleyears ago.

(01:10:10):
I mean this thing was, it wasdelicious.
I mean it to me.
It tasted like I remember itout and it defrosted the first
time and it just smelled sweetto me.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
And that was phenomenal.
And even you know Bianca, sheloves it, she loves making bear
meatballs and everything likethat.
And you know she wasn't I don'tthink she ever had that on the
bingo card Of when she was older.
She was going to be eating bearand everything like that.
Because she didn't.
I don't think she was, I don'tthink she ever had that on the
bingo card of when she was older.
She was going to be have eatingbear and everything like that,
cause she didn't grow up in in ahunting or outdoor family or

(01:10:45):
anything like that.
So it's bear hunting is like anecessary thing every year for
us and we talk about it so muchon this podcast.
I think people probably getsick and tired of it, but I will
never stop talking about it somuch on this podcast.
I think people probably getsick and tired of it, but I will
never stop talking about it.
Um is how the emotions for bearhunting are.

(01:11:08):
Just it's unreal.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
You know I have so far I've never experienced
anything like it, because youare hunting our apex predators
yeah, I love bear hunting andlike we pa now has like a longer
bear season in a way, likewhere I live there's like a long
archery season and like theyhave the most.

(01:11:31):
I think it's the inline seasonnow and then we have rifle
season and where we hunt rifleseasons four days, yeah, four
days.
So like we gang hunt for rifleseason, we go down to my dad's
camp and we hunt with the guysand like bear like that's bear
season to me is the four days ofrifle hunting, like I I archery

(01:11:54):
hunt them, I do, I inline huntthem.
But like I honestly feel likeI'd be sad if I didn't get to
bear hunt and rifle season withthe guys, because it's just my,
it's just amazing to be with allthe guys and like it's just one
big family, even though none ofus are really there are
relations, but related, like I'mnot related to most of them,

(01:12:15):
but they're my family.
It's just awesome and like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
I always went on an archery hunt one.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
And like I'm not related to most of them but
they're my family, but it's justawesome and like I always went
on an archery hunt one and likeI said to Adam I was like I
don't really want to shootanother bear with the rifle like
anytime soon, like I'd rathersee him get a bear he hasn't
gotten one yet yeah, adam hasn'tshot one.
He missed one with the bow, notlast year, the year before, I

(01:12:39):
think, yeah, the year before,because I was pregnant with
Huntley at the time, um, and itwas like a far shot and I think
he hit a twig or something andit threw his arrow.
So I was kind of mad at himthat I was like you're gonna
shoot a bear with a bow beforeme.
I'm like that was my next goaland you're just gonna beat me at
it.
But, um, he doesn't care, he'sjust like I just want to shoot a
bear and it's his biggest goaland you're just gonna beat me at
it.
But, um, he doesn't care, he'sjust like I just want to shoot a

(01:13:01):
bear and it's his biggest goaland I'm like I don't know.
I'm like it took my dad 20 yearsand my dad is like the ultimate
hunter took him 20 years toshoot his first bear, but now he
shot five.
So wow, wow yeah, that's a bigturnaround yeah, dad, he has
five triple crowns and it's justinsane to me.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
But no way it's.
That's, that's phenomenal, um,so we're gonna get into some a
few more.
We always ask these, thesequestions, before we do wrap up
a, a episode.
Um, this has been an absolutephenomenal discussion.
I mean, this is eye-opening andjust it, just a whole different

(01:13:46):
aspect of of hunting.
Well, one thing I do want toget in before we get into that
is have you had any difficultiesonline with social media
because you're a female or you?

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
it's all been positive for you when I was
younger I did, like when I firststarted social media I had a
lot more hate than I have now.
Sometimes if I have like onevideo go viral on TikTok, then
I'll have something, but I feellike my page doesn't really
reach a lot of people anymore,so like I just don't get the
hate that I used to and I don'tmind it no, no, yeah, no one

(01:14:21):
wants the hate no, no one does,but like when I do get, I think
I I got hate for my bobcat andit was like posted on this like
twitter account, that's likespecifically for anti-hunting,
and there was a lot of hateabout that and there was a lot
of mean things said about likeme taking my daughter, or a lot

(01:14:42):
of just like mind blowing thingsthat people would say about a
child that I'm just like it's,it's a child.
How do you say that, like Idon't care what you say about me
, but don't involve her.
Just because I involve her in myin hunting and in my pictures
you crossed a line.
But that's kind of like thelast hate that I've gotten in a

(01:15:05):
while man, that's, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
It's crazy how people , if you don't agree or have the
same beliefs of them, thethings that they do.
And I think I love social media, but that is the biggest
problem with social media is youcould say whatever the hell you
want on social media andnothing.
I mean now some people havegotten fired and everything like

(01:15:31):
that because you know, but forthe most part you could say and
that's yeah, I don't give arat's ass what you say about me,
but don't bring a innocentchild that has nothing to
remotely even even do with thewhole situation.
I mean, some people have sick,you know, twisted ways and it is
wrong.

(01:15:51):
But you know, it is nice tohear that you really haven't
received that like that type ofnegative attention, because
there's some people that just Ifeel like they get hounded so
much.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
I mean my one buddy, he just and he doesn't, you know
, and he just gets hounded forfor every little thing that he
does, and it's just like itmakes no sense what everything
you're doing is legal yeah,exactly, and like I remember
when I was, when I first startedInstagram, so probably like 13,

(01:16:25):
14 like I me and my one friendwho rode the bus with me like we
always posted hunting stuff,and like the amount of hate that
we got as children is kind oflike crazy, and like the things
people would say to us then andlike it did.
It did affect me then because Ididn't know how to like let it
roll off my back.
But like now, when I get hate Ijust delete it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
I'm like I don't care did it make you not want to
when you're younger?
Post about hunting and kind oflike, kind of not show that that
side of side of you and in away it did and like there wasn't
like the community of womenthat hunted on instagram at the

(01:17:06):
time.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
So I followed some girls from like california that
hunted and I was like wow, likethey're all the way out there
and that's super cool and likethose were the people that we
were following, were other girlsthat hunted and like that's.
All I wanted to do was findgirls that hunted, because I
knew one girl who lived twomiles up the hill from me that
also hunted and like I went to apretty big school so I just

(01:17:32):
wanted to find other people thathunted.
And then I got hate for it andit was just kind of like this is
weird and it almost made me notwant to hunt.
So I feel like that's when itturned to me.
Loving hunting was when I camehome, shot a deer with my dad,
kind of he wasn't he was there,but he just kind of brought me
home to volleyball practice.

(01:17:52):
It was like here, go shoot thisdeer, um, and then it changed
because, like I just I don'tknow it, just that's when I it
changed because like I just Idon't know it, just that's when
I it changed when I got to do itevery single day.
I would love doing it becauseit's what I love to do and I
didn't have to post that.
I was doing it every day.
There was like, no like.

(01:18:13):
If I want to post, I post.
I didn't.
You don't have to post onsocial media, but yeah, there
there's no pressure to, to postor or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
now, um, when did you and this is this is another one
um, when did you kind of feelthat shift for for more, uh,
females getting into theoutdoors?
Do you think that was likearound covid time?
Like when do you think you?
You cause you said when youfirst started Instagram,
everything like that, therewasn't the type of, there wasn't

(01:18:45):
as many as there is now.
Um, you know, and I, yet again,I do feel, and I've seen just
this huge increase in in numbersUm, do you think that was
during like COVID and everythinglike that?
Like when do you?
When do you kind of see foryourself?

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
When did that start happening?
I would say I definitelynoticed more during COVID.
It's definitely been likewithin the last five years
because I feel like when Istarted dating my husband, like
there there still wasn, like Iwasn't following a bunch of
women.
And now, like I feel like Ifollow mostly women and I don't

(01:19:27):
know, I don't have a thought,like I follow some guys that I
think are pretty cool, like theydo some pretty cool things, but
like I just would rather followwomen that are doing what I
love to do, because I'm like,yeah, you go girl.
Like I feel like I on myTikTokK, I definitely get it.
If I do get hate, it's hate formen being like you're not
supposed to be doing this.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Yeah, yeah, I get, I get it too.
I get it.
Well, I don't get it on socialmedia, but I will get the
comments of, like, just people,I not.
I don't think they're trying tosay it in a in a mean way, I
think they're just trying tojoke, but it's like that's how
ignorant you are, is like, ohwell, you're black, you don't?
You know black people don'thunt.

(01:20:08):
And I'm just like that'sactually the furthest thing from
the truth.
Because, first of all, if you godown south, everyone hunts down
south, and you go to othercountries around the world
besides america, everyone kindof has to hunt for their own
food or farm or do.
Whatever I go, it's not alwaysto help you and I like.

(01:20:28):
The big part of why I lovedoing what I do for for this
company is because, like I saidearlier, it's not only about you
know just one specific, youknow race or group, it's, it's
everybody, for hunting is beingattacked on all sides.
Yeah, and the only way I thinkit's going to survive is if

(01:20:50):
everyone comes together, whetheryou're black, white, spanish,
asian man, female, whatever youknow.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
You can't just keep attacking everybody just because
they're they're different foryou from you exactly like it's
for everyone if everyone, if,like, if you hunt, you should
support someone else who hunts,like that's how that works.
It doesn't matter, like I meanI don't know, just because, like
some like say, I have a buck oncamera and like I know someone

(01:21:22):
else shot it, that's huntingaround here like congratulations
, like good.
Like just because I didn'tshoot a buck yet doesn't mean
I'm mad, like I'm happy that yougot a buck, or if you're just
doing something right in thewoods, like I'm happy for you,
like you just gotta you justgotta support everyone else
doing the same thing you'redoing.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
Otherwise, you're tearing down the industry as
well yeah, no, I, I agree, and Ithink I always tell people damn
, I don't care if you shoot thesame.
You know, buck, that I'm after.
I just want to know you're dead.
So I'm not still going afterhim, just like send me a picture
, like do something, if you knowme or you're passing my camera,
like you know, put your numberin so I could text you, or

(01:22:03):
something like that.
So like I'm not wasting my timethinking this deer is still
around and I'm moving all thesecameras in and going crazy, like
I just always want to know,like yeah, it's public land, so
you know people are going tohunt the same deer and going to
kill the same deer.
I just like knowing you know ifsomeone killed something,
because that also means like,hmm, maybe this area has a lower

(01:22:24):
doe number so I'm not going togo there.
I won't go there to hunt, tokill a doe, you know because I
do have some areas where the doenumber has definitely dropped
off.
So I'm not going to go waste mytime and go kill another doe
there.
If I don't have the numbersthat I at least think are
equivalent to what I shouldprobably go, that I should be be

(01:22:45):
hunting, so I will give thatarea a break.
If I don't know, then it's likedamn, I'm gonna go.
I that's just how I see things,because I, like me, I I'm big
into managing and I I do thinklike I'm not someone who kills
everything yeah um, and I pass alot of deer, but it's it's
something that we all should bedoing, because at the end they,

(01:23:08):
you know, but me is me, and ifyou only got one weekend to get
out there and you kill a spike,I will be.
I always tell people I'll behappy as hell for you.
You send me the picture, I willpost it on Instagram, I will
you know, and if anyone'stalking shit to you about it, I
will personally defend you andall the guys that we hunt with.
We will defend you online andeverything like that, because

(01:23:30):
that's not right.
We may bust if you're my friend, I may bust your balls for
shooting a small deer, forshooting a small deer, but at
the end of the day, I'm gonna bebusting your balls and we're
gonna be eating that same deerand having a beer and and a
drink and having a good time,because it that's what the
memories it's for, you know, andit's that's what it's all about
yeah it is.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
it's about the memories that you make with your
family and your friends.
When you're that's what youpass down, like, yeah, that's
what I want to teach my daughter, that's what I want down, like,
yeah, that's what I want toteach my daughter, that's what I
want to raise her on.
Is the memories surrounded fine?

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
Yeah, which, which?
There's a, there's a lothunting has.
Hunting's One of those thingswhere I think just every, almost
every time you go out, it'sjust a new memory and you're
you're just experiencingsomething new, especially like
you said you, you always want togo to, to bear camp and
everything like that, becausecamps are just like it is the
the bed, because everyone'sthere for the same reason and it

(01:24:27):
doesn't matter if you weresuccessful or not.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
You go back to camp and you have fun, you sit by a
fire, you drink some beers, youeat and you tell stories yeah,
that's no, I live for being withthose guys at camp, like, and
most of there was two othergirls that kind of hunted with
camp but like I was mostly theonly girl and because I live
here, I was the only girlbecause women aren't allowed to

(01:24:54):
stay at our camp during huntingseason, which I think is wrong
why?
well, it's just in their likebylaws.
They're not supposed to bemembers and they're not allowed
to stay at camp.
They have changed it now thatif you're hunting you can stay
at camp.
So my friends that I grew upwith like, now they get to come
up with their dads and camp, butthey'll still have their dad

(01:25:16):
bring their camper and stayoutside in the camper because
they just don't want to stayinside with the guys and like
that's fine.
So, you get to be at camp.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
How, how long has this camp been been around for?
Oh my gosh, yeah, so it's very,very I mean yeah, I imagine.
Ok.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
Yeah, like it's starting to change, like I, like
I live here, I live literally10 minutes from our camp, so I
don't need to be a member of ourcamp, but at the same time, I'm
like I want to be a member justbecause I, because I want to be
a member, like yeah, yeah I'mlike I grew up with these guys

(01:25:58):
and even these, these adult men,guys that pretty much raised me
like are father figures to meand I'm like, why can't I be a
part of this camp?
like you guys will let me comedown here and like, do
everything else, but I'm notallowed to be a member and that
makes me mad.
But it's starting to change,it's slow but surely changing,

(01:26:18):
and I'm not allowed to be amember and that makes me mad.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
But it's starting to change.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
It's slow but surely changing and I'm looking forward
to actually being able to be amember.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
Hopefully, hopefully in due time.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
Yeah, and like the fact.
So, like, if you have a son,then like, their kids can be
members, but like, if, like, ifI have a son, or if, like my
next child is a boy, he wouldn'tbe able to be a member because
I'm not a member.
So, like, I think that's wrong,that, like my son couldn't be a
member to camp.

(01:26:49):
I'm like you'd let him huntwith you.
You'd let him put all the workin, but he couldn't be a member.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
And your dad's a member, though.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
Yeah, my dad's a member.
So, like my dad and my brotherare members, but I'm not allowed
to be a member.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
And because of that you're like my son wouldn't be
able to be a member.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Even though his grandfather and uncle and then
probably cousins, Yep.
Are members.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
Yep, and like there's people that like aren't within
the family, that I've now got itvoted in and I'm like why, why?
Can't I get voted?
In?
Yeah, like can someone forgetmy name because I would like to
know who votes me.
No, because you all havetreated me like family up to
this point.
Yeah, I just keep.
I'm like my dad doesn't looklike everyone's from downstate,

(01:27:41):
so everyone's from, like,schuylkill County.
So my dad doesn't go to themeetings anymore because he
lives up here.
And I'm like, can you just go toa meeting and suggest that I
get voted in, because I justwant to hear what is said about
that of course, but man, yeah,no, that's tough and hopefully,
hopefully, it does work or yeah,yeah, hopefully it'll change in

(01:28:05):
time for my daughter to be amember, because if she doesn't
live here, if she chooses tomove away, then like, I guess
she could find new area to hunt,but she always wanted to come
back here to hunt and I didn'tlive here.
Like, yeah, she wouldn't havesomewhere to stay and that's
crazy to me yeah, I, I, we go tothe?

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
um, the harris big show a lot, obviously, the grand
american outdoor show.
Every time we're, we're, youknow, looking at all the um
guides and everything like that,um, they're, they always go to
my fiance and they're alwayslike yeah, like, don't worry, we
have stuff for you do, for youto do too.
You know you could stay back atthe house, you know, eat, and

(01:28:47):
like you know, we have this yada, yada and it's like I remember
she was like they just assumethat like I don't, I don't hunt,
and usually it's it's just theolder, it's just the older crowd
and they just they always likejust the older.
It's just the older crowd, yeah,and they just, they always like
just assume that she's notgoing to be hunting, which,
whether she hunts or not, likewhatever.
Just don't assume, becausenowadays there's just so many

(01:29:10):
female hunters that it's gottenso popular I hate going
harrisburg show.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
I hate going to outdoor shows in general because
that's how I'm treated and likeI remember we went up to one of
the stands and it was like bearhunting and the guy like was
mind blown that I had shot twobear and I was just like yeah,
and like it's not, like it isamazing, but at the same time

(01:29:37):
like it's regular old day lifeto me.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
Yeah, I think it's so common now Like it's if some
random girl came to me and saidhey, I killed two bears.
I'd be like, yeah, that's,that's impressive.
Like I'd be congrats, show methe damn pictures.
I want to see the.
I want to see the pictures Likeoh, let me hear the story.
Like it's so common.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
Like and like, like it's so common, kind of common,
like, yeah, and like it's normal.
But the amount of people thatI'll talk to my husband over me
at shows yeah, like it justirritates me because I'm like I
taught him how to hunt.
I'm like and like the amount ofpeople that don't know.
That is just like most peoplethat follow me on instagram.
I don't talk about the factthat I taught him how to hunt.
I just don't, because itdoesn't really matter at the end

(01:30:25):
of the day, like he loveshunting as much as I do and
that's what matters yeah, no, I,I, I agree, I, I definitely
agree.

Speaker 1 (01:30:35):
Well, we gotta we got a few more.
We gotta get to our questionsthat we always ask everybody who
is new on this show.
It's going to be.
These are just going to bequick ones.
If you had two weeks, money isnot an option, so don't worry,
money doesn't.
What is your dream hunt andwhere?

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:31:10):
Probably a moose hunt in alaska.
Oh yes, see, this must be a leothing, because that's my thing
moose hunt in alaska.
All right, we haven't had amoose one in a little bit.
Thank God, we're back.
We're back on the board withwith moose, um, non-typical or
typical whitetail.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
Oh, that's tough.
Um, I don't have to gonon-typical.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
Wow, non Okay, are you a I mean I with the kid you
gotta, you gotta be, are you?
You're a snacker in the woods?
Yes, what's, what's your go-tohunting snack?

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
um our snack sticks that we make from our our
venison snack sticks venisonsnack sticks or berry berry,
gummy worms.

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
Those are my second oh, that's a good one too yeah
um, now turkey or deer.
If you could only hunt one,what would it be?
Oh, deer oh okay, all right, Iwasn't too sure about that one

(01:32:23):
because of everything that yousaid about, about turkeys and
everything like that well, if Icould only hunt one, a deer
would give me more food for myfamily makes sense okay but I
also do love white tail huntinga lot.
I get very into what buck I wantto hunt and all that yeah, but

(01:32:43):
if if you could have your ownhunting property, what state
would it be in?
Would you stay in PA?

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
if I could have my own hunting property and it was
where I live in PA.

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
Yes, I would stay in PA okay, but if it wasn't, where
would you want to go?
Probably montana nice, nice,good choice montana's, my home
oh yeah, I I kind of I kind offigured that yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
Maine is mine.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
I always tell people, maine's, mine.
If you could get sponsored byone company, what would it be?

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
Oh gosh, Maybe Sitka.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
Yes, that's a good one.
That's a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
I feel like not many people get sponsored by Sitka.

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
No, no, not not many.
I mean when, when you're, whenyou're in that type of league,
you don't really need to, youknow everyone knows who you are.
I call them the Gucci of thewhite tail woods, that's my name
for them.
Yeah, so yeah, that's.
That's a great one.
I love sitka.
I mean I I want their waitersso bad, but I just I'm not

(01:34:03):
shelling out that much money forwaiters yeah, I feel like.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
So I do wear sitka, but I feel like when I bought
sitka, like not a lot of peoplewore it and now everyone around
me I see where sitka and I'mjust like like people must spend
more money on hunting clothesthan they used to because like
oh, definitely but like I don'tknow, the sitka clothes that I

(01:34:28):
have are my like warmest, besthunting clothes at the end of
the day, like I love them agreed.

Speaker 1 (01:34:37):
That's why I tell people I, I tell people all the
time I don't, I have no problemlike I wear sick, I have a lot
of sicka and I but I have noproblem with wearing any other
type of camo during the earliertime of the year, come winter
time yeah you would have to.
You have, like a company wouldhave to pay me, like if some

(01:34:59):
company said, hey, listen, wewould want to sponsor with you
guys, but we're not going to payyou.
Well, I'm sorry, I don't thinkI can move.
Do that because you know, atthe end of the day, I like to be
warm in the winter and whatkeeps my butt in the woods
during a blizzard is sick asclothing, you know.
So if you're gonna pay me, thenyeah, I will, I won't wear, I

(01:35:21):
won't wear sick and I'll just, Iguess, have to freeze or
whatever.
But that's the only way.
Like at least their theirwinter stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
I I've never been warmer in the woods yeah,
definitely, and we got liketheir merino wool, like shirt
that they came out with lastyear or whatever it might have
been the year before, but like Iwore that in early season and
it's like it's light and likeit's like they're light merino
wool or whatever, and like Ihonestly feel like I didn't

(01:35:50):
sweat as bad either.
Like yeah, yeah now that I havethat, I'm like, yeah, you
couldn't pay me to wear adifferent shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:35:59):
I've heard great things about first light.
First light has made a big move.
Um, my buddy, who's always woresicker, he's gotten a lot of
first light stuff.
So I mean, maybe a first light,you know, came a knock, but yet
again we'd be in a muchdifferent ball.
I'd be.
I would be able to hunt alldamn day if first light came,
came a knock and I feel like I'dbe.
I would have made it by now.

(01:36:21):
So I think I would.
I wouldn't have to go to workanymore and I could just hunt
all day yeah, exactly that's.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
That's the goal.
It's a goal to get paid to huntyep, um one week to hunt.

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
What week would you pick?

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
oh my gosh, the week of halloween most popular answer
?

Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
I next year.
Next, my next thing I'll keepcount of in 2025 is that
question, because I keep trackof the the um game animal, like
what you're, and that's always astatistic that I throw out now
because it got so popular, but Ithink that one's gonna have to.
I throw out now because it gotso popular, but I think that
one's going to have to be thenext one, because I think

(01:37:05):
majority of our guests saysomewhere in Halloween like that
Halloween, october, october,time.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
I have had the most action Halloween day every year
in the woods.

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
Best time to be in the woods?
I think it is by far the besttime.
I don't think I've ever beendisappointed on Halloween.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
I have never.
I remember one of the firstyears my brother and I were
homeschooled.
I shot a buck on Halloween andthen he shot a bear, because it
was bear archery season and wedoubled in that way, so
Halloween will always Halloween.
I'm like this is the greatest,and my dad's just like I can't,

(01:37:50):
with you too.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
I'm like, yeah, it sucks, you have to be at work,
but you're out, you're killingit at least someone in the
family's killing it right nowyeah um, if you could hunt with
anyone, who would it be now,like we can do if you, if you

(01:38:14):
want to do a family member andsomebody famous, or you just
want to, you know, say someone,either one.
Um, we've gotten some prettygood ones for for, like somebody
famous now it could be dead oralive, so you can bring them
back, for so could be anyone inthe history, does not matter who
I feel like fred bear would becool to hunt with, like my dad

(01:38:38):
and Fred bear.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
Now would you have a question.

Speaker 1 (01:38:47):
Would you do a?

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
Fred bear hunt in Alaska, yeah or moose, that'd be
dope.
That'd be like amazing You'dhave to learn.
If I went to Alaska, I'd haveto take Adam Instead of my dad
which is hard.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
Well, you know what?
We'll give this one anexception, because it's Fred
Bear and, like, this is a.
So you know what?
Why don't you just take allthree of them and, you know,
have yourself a grand old time.

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
I don't know why he's like the first person that came
to my mind, but he's usuallythe first person that came to my
mind, but he's usually my first.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
Like when you, when you think about you look at the.
Mount Rushmore of just huntingFredbear is obviously up there.
Yeah, um god, I should startasking people who's in their
mount rushmore.
Now I'm gonna ask you who doyou think would be in the mount
rushmore?

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
oh my gosh, I oh I don't know.
I feel like I don't.
I feel like I don't have enoughhistory like I.
I know hunting, I know a lotabout it, but I feel like I
don't know enough people in thehistory of hunting so I'll give.

Speaker 1 (01:40:05):
I'll give you um Fred Bear, teddy Roosevelt oh yeah
um.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
I just can't think.
You put me on the spot that's.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
that's why I love doing these questions, because I
always put people on the spotman.
After that Some people say TedNugent.

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
Oh yeah, Ted Nugent.
He's a good one.
We were up watching Ted Nugenton TV and he was like my brother
, literally thought he was ouruncle Ted.

Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
But like I'm still on the spot.

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
I just can't think of people.

Speaker 1 (01:40:50):
And then what's his face?
Is that probably say him?
What's his shocking?

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
Oh, yeah, jim, shocking.

Speaker 1 (01:40:57):
You know, and there's a, there's a few others.
I think if you're going downmore this generation, I mean
gosh there's a lot of people inthis generation.
Stephen Rinella.
I love Stephen Rinella.
You know Cameron Haynes yeahyou know you can go on that, but
like I would say that's apretty good Mount Rushmore.
I'm gonna have to post that onsocial media and see what people

(01:41:18):
think about that Mount Rushmore, yeah that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
think about that, mount Rushmore, yeah that is a
good Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 1 (01:41:25):
I honestly want to thank you so much for coming on.
It was an absolute pleasure.
I would love to do where we geta bunch of hunters and we just

(01:41:46):
have a great old discussion, youknow.
Um, it was like I said, it wasan absolute pleasure.
I think everyone's really,really going to love this
episode and it gives a wholedifferent perspective on hunting
and it's just no, no problem atall.
You, you were amazing, you, you.

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
This was actually my first podcast really yeah, I was
super stressed about this, um,but yeah, I was.

Speaker 1 (01:42:14):
I'm so excited to like, I was so excited to do
this, but I, I think they're,because when I first started,
now it's like it's nothing, um,but yeah, doing my first.
I remember recording my first,our first, our trailer episode
holy hell, that wasnerve-wracking, I know what to
say and it took me a while.

(01:42:35):
Where you just get comfortable.
Now I'm just so comfortable ofjust like talking and just
talking because you have, youhave no choice, you got to carry
.
I love it when you get somebodyon like you, or like we have,
uh, someone we call squash whojust tells story, like people
sometimes come on here andapologize to me and I go, no,
you made my life so much easier,you brought it you.

(01:42:58):
That's what I want from, fromour guests, and you know, I I
definitely appreciate listenanytime you want to come on too.
You just you just let me knowand we can.
We can always schedule you andyou can, if you want you and you
know your husband to come on,if you, whatever get a duo one
going on there too, you know,and have you both talk.
Um, whichever you want to do,podcasting, I, I love it.

(01:43:20):
Um, so I'm I'm happy that, uh,that you enjoyed yourself and,
uh, definitely looking forwardto the next one yeah, thank you
so much.
This was so much fun no problemany any last words um, I don't
know.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
Uh, have a good season this season, um, and I
wish you all the luck thank you,thank you, you too, we'll.

Speaker 1 (01:43:42):
We'll definitely talk .
I will let you know when thisis going to be dropping and
everything like that and I will,um, do the collabs and you know
we'll have clips and everythinglike that posted.
We actually by time.
Since we just moved the streamyard, I might as well let
everyone know.
Um, I decided that I willactually be dropping all these
episodes now Once all theStreamYard start, all the

(01:44:05):
recordings from StreamYard.
Those are going to go straighton YouTube as well, probably at
the same time as the rest of theones drop, or maybe like a day
or two after.
I might do that on a Thursday.
We're almost done with all ourmicrosoft team recordings, so we
are almost there.
I think we got like three orfour episodes left and then

(01:44:27):
we're back into stream yard, sothat is going to be the next
thing up.
I used I just created this newum header and everything like
that.
So let me know what you guysthink.
I'm going to be doing differentones for Halloween, christmas
and changing up and doingdifferent types of themes and
stuff like that, but that's kindof what we're going to be doing

(01:44:49):
from now on.
So yeah, everyone, I hope youguys enjoyed this episode and
we'll see you guys next time.

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