Marsh Boys Outdoors

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Speaker 2 (00:43):
That's why your tagline JCL known perfect.
You don't know what that manshould have done.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
You don't know what that man should have done.
I accidentally drifted my canoebetween a sow and a cub and she
charged and hit the back of thecanoe.
His head hit the ground beforehis ass did.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Begging and crying to go with my grandfather.
Go with my father on these deerdrives.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
You know the last trip over I shot a great Cape
Buffalo with my bow, chargingthrough the grass and then the
whooping, and then you hear abody drop Boys.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
We are back for another episode.
I am pleased to announce ourguests right now Marsh Boys
Outdoors, south New Jersey-basedguys who, of course, if you
don't know who, they are big onthe waterfowl game Boys.
Welcome to the show.

(01:40):
Yeah, thanks for having us.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Appreciate you having us on tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
No problem at all.
It's my absolute pleasurehaving you guys on.
We got Squatch with us.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Hey guys, how are you ?
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Real quick before we get started.
Why don't you guys introduceyourselves for anyone out there
who doesn't know you guys?

Speaker 4 (02:00):
So I'm Brian Brian Paulus.
I live down here in SalemCounty, new Jersey.
Big waterfowler trapper.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
I'm Brian Sowers.
I've been doing all this stuffwith him since we started Marsh
Boys.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
Yeah, we've been best friends for 13 years now.
And what?
Four years ago you startedhunting with me.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Right, when I got back yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
And then two years ago we started our brand marsh
boys, uh, waterfowl centric.
We started with a podcast andit's grown into a social media
following um, a continuouslygrowing social media following
um.
We got our llc this past year,so now we sell a little bit of
merch.
We're just starting our youtubejourney.
Just all the basics of a of abrand.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah we're just still just getting started I, I
absolutely love to hear it.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
And that before we, you know, we really dive into
all that, um, I gotta say too,we um big news on on our front.
Uh, we actually today we justgot our trademark for Chasey
Unknown.
So I've been battling with thatfor a year and probably have
spent at least well over $1,000or $2,000 trying to get this

(03:15):
done yeah, because they deniedit and all these things.
So, officially, today ChaseyUnknown is trademarked by us
here at Boondocks Hunting.
Chase the Unknown istrademarked by us here at
Boondocks Hunting.
And I can actually alsoofficially say too, we have a
new podcast dropping too.
It's going to be Chase theUnknown podcast.
That is going to be coming soon.

(03:36):
A big part of what this show nowis going to be is, you know,
all Jersey-based and I kind ofwanted to get back onto the
jersey base.
And these two guys, um, I Ireally wanted to get on.
I wanted to get them on alittle earlier during the the
waterfowl season, but things gotgot crazy over here.

(03:57):
I'm also really proud toannounce and also very thankful
to these guys, that they areactually one of these sponsors
for our, our game dinner andeverything like that, and
they're going to be producingsomething also for a giveaway,
which I think is going to be areally great giveaway,
especially anyone who's lookingto get into waterfowl or who've
gotten into waterfowl but justhave have yet to kind of, you

(04:20):
know, get all the pieces, uhpieces going.
I know me being a new waterfowlhunter for now on.
I just completed year three.
I believe it's just a it's anongoing process to buy all this
stuff and the decoys.
I mean you need a lot of decoys, so like that's.
You know the calls andeverything like that.
So I think that's been thehardest transition into

(04:43):
waterfowl hunting, but it is.
It's been an absolute pleasure.
So, guys, I want to thank youguys.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
Yeah, absolutely as soon as.
As soon as we saw you werelooking for sponsors.
You know we've been looking todo something like that as far as
advertisement and to put ittowards a good cause.
And you guys being from Jerseyand I mean, we love all games,
so why not?

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, no, I not.
Yeah, no, it's going to begreat, looking, really looking
forward to it.
But, um, guys, you, you got thellc.
You know you talked about alittle bit.
Um, you know, big waterfowlguys, what, what drove you?
What was the?
The big decision moving orcreating this page and the
company and everything like that?
Like, where did the whole ideacome up with?
Like, were you guys justsitting around having a few

(05:29):
drinks?
What?
What was it that really got youto?

Speaker 4 (05:32):
this point.
I'll let ryan tackle that one.
Where do you want to start?
Do you want to start?
Why we started marsh boys?

Speaker 3 (05:38):
um, well, I want to preface all this by saying when
we used to hang out in the barnevery single weekend and just
make each other laugh and justbullshit, we said we should
record this and then never didanything and that was like there
was probably like a 10 year gapon that and I got, I started

(06:00):
working and I didn't really doanything on the side and I
didn't have any cool stories.
And I came up to Brian and Iwas like I don't do anything.
I'm like I want to do somethingand we were talking and
eventually the original four ofus Tyler, jimmy and I we just

(06:23):
started to try doing it, like westarted with four laptops.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
I bought four microphones really junky, cheap
USB microphones and I calledRyan and I called Jimmy.
It started as me, jimmy andRyan, and I said, hey, we're
going to meet at Jimmy's, we'regoing to record a podcast and
we're like okay.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
So we did it, and how many times did we record the
first podcast?
Uh, I think three times.
Three restarts and then theediting of four different audio
files on four differentcomputers and they're all old
computers.
It was just a terribleexperience.
So that was the first step inlearning.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
Yeah, we it basically started because, I mean, we
were doing all this cool stuffbut Ryan wanted to be able to
show, say, down the line, hisgrandkids like, hey, I actually
did this, we did all of this,and that's transpired in a lot
of opportunities we've beengiven in these last two and a
half years.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Sorry, what was that go?
I'm just, I love that, you know, and I love how how it starts,
too like it.
You didn't have like a smooth,you know into this.
Like I love stories like that,like I, we, we over here had a
little smoother, but it was soawkward like I never.
Like now, looking back at thefirst, like even the first, like

(07:47):
50 episodes I was so damn.
It was weird you were, youweren't comfortable yet and now,
yeah, yep, I listen, I 100 knowlike it was just weird.
Now I don't need anyone to beon the, I could talk to this
damn camera right here, bymyself, I may look crazy, I like
that he's shaking his head downthere.
But but you could do it and youknow that gets you to to where

(08:11):
we are now.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
But so I I love the, I love the story what's really
funny is so ryan's always beenthe tech guy.
He built computers, gained allthat long before I ever thought
about getting a computer and wefirst started it and ryan was
like excuse me.
Ryan was like no, no, I'll edit, I'll do all that long before I
ever thought about getting acomputer and we first started it
and Ryan was like excuse meRyan was like no, no, I'll edit,
I'll do all that stuff.
Well, two weeks go by and I hithim up.

(08:31):
I'm like, hey, you got thatpodcast done.
He's like I can't, I can't, Ican't listen to my own voice
like that.
So it's, I ended up getting allthe salt once Ryan figured out
how to kind of record everythingand what we needed and what we
did with that.
After that I kind of took overthe editing deal of the of the
that side and then I figured outhow to upload and, um, huge

(08:53):
shout out to chris from flyawayconnection down in louisiana.
He got me linked up withbuzzsprout and showed me how to
do all that and it makesuploading a breeze, yeah I agree
that that's what we use too aswell.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
We use Buzzsprout, so both shows are going to be on
Buzzsprout.
I got nothing but great thingsto say about Buzzsprout.
They make things really simple,so I love it.
I've heard other people havingsome difficulties with some of
the streaming services they use.
Whatever people ask me for myopinion, I just say listen, they

(09:26):
do everything.
Like oh, like what, whatplatforms you're on, literally
everything puts it on everythingfor you.
Like you don't have to doanything, it's not, it's really
nice, um, and they do.
They do great job.
Obviously, we're now in the theera of AI and everything like
that, so they do a really goodjob with that and everything
like that.
So shout out to them.

(09:47):
But it's, you know, you startthe podcast, I get it, you know.
Listen to your own voice too,and like people who don't record
anything or don't do anyfilming or anything like that.
Like it is the most awkwardthing.
Listen to yourself speak whenyou have to hear it.
It's like wow, I really sound.
Like you think you soundanything or don't do any filming
or anything like that.
Like it is the most awkwardthing.
Listening to yourself speakwhen you have to hear it it's

(10:07):
like, wow, I really sound likeyou think you sound one way, and
then you sound like that andit's like, well, what the hell,
like what?
I can't believe I sound likethat.
This is just awkward I don'tknow.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
I I remember reading a thing like it's almost
subconscious and it's likeeverything, it's something
everybody has to battle whenthey have a like a more public
page.
I mean it's easier for somepeople than other people.
But that makes me think thateverybody you see on TV and
movies and here on the radio allwent through that same step,

(10:39):
like, oh, I don't want to listento this.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, I definitely agree with that.
Now let's, let's get into thehunting side of it too, because,
like I'm obsessed now withwaterfowl Squatch, you've done
everything.
Are you a big waterfowl hunter?
Have you waterfowled at all?
Like kind of give me thebreakdown.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
I don't think I've ever asked you if you've done
any waterfowl hunting no, no, II went goose hunting one time
and uh, I got a goose when Iwent, but that's the only time I
went, and the reason being, NewYork State kind of runs their
waterfowl and I think Jerseydoes too, but it starts right
around bow season and I'm suchan avid bow hunter myself to go

(11:20):
after ducks and everything.
I mean, well, get me wrong, man, it looks like a lot of fun.
I just never went that route onwaterfowl.
The only birds I've reallyhunted is pheasant, and mostly
Turkey and, uh, you know,rabbits and stuff like that, and
then, of course, deer bear.
You know the rest of the story,predators I'm on predators
right now.
So, um, you know it's been beenpretty good.

(11:42):
I got a Fox the other night and, uh, you know it's been been
pretty good.
I got a Fox the other night andyou know that one's I'm going
to get a mounted.
I actually got to drop them offat the taxidermist tomorrow
night.
So it's going to be pretty cool.
But after Yotes right now, I hada pack up behind me.
But now, just look, I meanthere's going to be a time, you
know, maybe Mike with you downthe road and stuff, man, you

(12:03):
know, maybe Mike, with you downthe road and stuff.
Man, I'll get into it a littlebit, but I'm just torn so many
ways and I'm so dedicated to mybow hunting.
When it's that time it's gotime and you know what man To
each their own and I don'tbegrudge anybody man.
If you love doing that stuff,get out there and do it.
It's awesome man andcongratulations, it's a real
trophy man and congratulationsit's.
It's a real trophy man.

(12:24):
I love doc, I'll eat it.
You know goose.
Goose is tough to shoe leather,but if you wrap it in bacon
like anything else, yeah it's.
It's good too.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
So I just made a goose cheeseburgers last night
for dinner.
Solid.
They were really good it's amess yeah.
It is a.
They are a mess when you grindthem.
So I don't like, even with deermeat, I don't like, I don't
like mixing any kind of pork orbeef fat.
I like my wild game to tastelike wild game.

(12:53):
Yeah, so when I ground up thosegoose breasts, I mean packing
them into the balls to put inthe burgers.
It was just mush and yeah, butnow they cooked up just fine.
That's cool, man.
What do you?

Speaker 2 (13:06):
season them with you.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Season them with, like, uh, salt, pepper, garlic,
you do that kind of stuff, onionpowder maybe everything I do
with goose meat is salt, pepper,garlic powder, onion powder and
then, um shout out to one ofour sponsors, papa earl's caajun
Seasoning.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
I put that on pizza.
I put it on everything.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
We always put it on pizza.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah.

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(13:51):
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Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, absolutely yeah , man, real quick before, and
something that you guys over theyou know, since you guys are
the big on on waterfowl, I thinkwith goose, what guys over the
you know, since you guys are thebig on waterfowl, I think with
goose what makes a bigdifference?

Speaker 2 (14:13):
and I tried it for the first time.
The last time I I made it wastenderizing it um and just
taking a hammer and justpounding the hell out of it.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah, I, I I was sitting the boop boop like, but
I'll tell you then I, oh man, itwas, and it did make a big
difference.
So if anyone out therelistening, yes, it definitely is
tougher.
I definitely will 100% agreewith anyone.
Duck is just top of the line.
I love goose still too.
But if you start tenderizing it, also putting it in buttermilk,

(14:43):
leave it overnight, butter,buttermilk and then just hammer
the hell out of it, I thinkit'll do even better.
But um, yeah, big big fan of ofnow, I'm gonna tenderize all of
my goose from now on so I wantto real quick before we move on.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
And now this is a secret, I don't know how much of
it everybody I've told is likereally.
So I don't do a whole lot ofbuttermilk with goose meat.
Um, what I will marinate mygoose meat in is worcestershire
sauce, soy sauce and um oneteaspoon of apple cider vinegar
per goose breast that's goodstuff.

(15:18):
Apple, cider, vinegar, man,venison is all of those tendons,
all those ligaments, all allthat hard to chew, the silver
skin, everything.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
What about the used coffee grinds?
We did on the one, I just hadthat the other night.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
Yeah, if you're doing it in the crock pot and you
want to do it like a pulledstyle, put it in the crock pot
on low for like eight hours anda pot of coffee.
Put a pot of coffee in thereand you're seasoning it.
It won't taste lean likeanything, which is the craziest
thing, but it really tastes likethe acidity of it I mean just
like apple cider vinegar,anything real acidic, break it
down yeah, like I didn't knowthere was coffee until they told

(15:53):
me after it was good that's.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
That's pretty interesting.
I I never, never knew.
I knew the acidic stuff and butI didn't never thought of, you
know, coffee and everything likethat.
But I'm going to have to trythat.
I'm definitely going to have totry that.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
If you've got a steak or something too, that's kind
of tough, like a tough piece ofnot that venison is really tough
, but some of it can be.
Marinate it in Coca-Cola.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
I've heard that I haven't tried it yet, but I've
heard it.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Coca-Cola works too, man.
It breaks down that toughmuscle in there, man, and it
gives it a sweet flavor, itgives it a nice taste.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
I believe that I use that in.
We're going to get all crazy,but I'm a big.
I'm big on cooking especiallyslow.
Like doing a pulled venison orsomething like that.
I like using root beer orsomething like that, like it
just gives it the extra sweet,like you're saying, and it does
break it down.
Maybe throw a little whiskey inthere or something like that.

(16:51):
Absolutely, it just absolutelylike amazing, I'm starting to
get hungry.
I mean, I have some venison infront of me.
I'm starting to get hungry allover again.
I might have to pull some, somegoose out and stuff like that
and get it ready for tomorrow.
Um, but um, you know, brian,especially with you.
Um, you, how long has you know,brian, especially with you.
How long has you know?
How long have you beenwaterfowl hunting?
For?
You know when did you reallyget that like driven passion,

(17:14):
like all right, I'm good onwaterfowl.
Like I know you hunt.
You guys hunt other stuff andyou know you trap and everything
like that, but waterfowl isyour thing.
So when did waterfowl reallylike click to you, like this is
100 my thing.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
Like this is what I want to do so I I got, just like
most south jersey kids, I gotmy shotgun license.
And now this is back talkingwhen you got your shotgun, your
muzzleloader, your riflemuzzleloader and your bow
license.
I didn't have any of that tillI was older, till a couple years
ago.
I got my shotgun license when Iturned 10 and I squirrel hunted

(17:50):
.
I went and sat for buck weekand stuff like that.
I didn't shoot a deer till Iwas, till I got I.
I shot my first deer two daysafter I got my bow license.
Um, but as soon as I really Isquirrel hunting my dad up until
I got my driver's license.
When I got my driver's license,then I, you know, really,
really was heavy on squirrelsand rabbits and stuff like that.

(18:10):
And then I'd like to say it wasmy senior year of high school.
One of the guys that we startedMorse Boys with, jimmy Riley, I
was talking to him.
I was like yo, I want to getduck hunting.
My cousin was a huge goosehunter that, before social media
and all that they had a wholedeal with a bunch of guys, had a
trailer full of decoys and hetook me duck hunting a few times

(18:32):
.
I never shot, um, I heck.
I never even took the gun halfthe time, but uh, just watching
him do it I kind of fell in lovewith it.
And then when me and Jimmy gothooked up together he went out,
bought a bunch of decoys.
I had a little tent.
Now jimmy's a big guy and evenin high school he was.
He's a few years younger than Iam and he's he was six foot 200

(18:53):
pounds and it was 200 at thetime.
He was more than 200 and me andhim I
was never a small guy.
I mean, even after my rodeo dayor even during my rodeo days, I
was still 180 pounds and we gotin this 10-foot John boat with
a trolling motor, with me, him,two 870s and whatever decoys we

(19:17):
could buy off of Craig's List.
I think he bought a bunch ofdecoys at this local auction,
old junkie flambos and westarted that way and heck, I
think jimmy shot a goose thesecond time we went hunting.
It just flew over.
We didn't have goose decoys, weweren't goose calling um,
actually it reminds me, beforewe I even got in a duck hunt,

(19:38):
but anyway, uh.
And then after this first couplehunts, like I said, it took us
two years before we shot.
I shot a duck and but whatreally made me fall in love with
waterfowl hunting was callingum.
Before I ever bought a decoy,before I ever took a gun out on
the water, I bought calls and Iwould sit out back behind the
barn and call.
So I thought I sounded like aduck or, especially now, uh,

(20:00):
goose calling.
I do a little bit ofcompetition calling at the new
jersey show and oh really that'syeah, I've done it uh, two
years in a row I haven't placed.
I've gotten fourth, fourth myfirst year at a at a nine guys
and uh, fifth this year at, Ithink, 12 guys.
A couple really good guys frompa showed up and it was a great
time.
I'm getting better every yearup in my calling and uh, but,

(20:24):
yeah, I fell in love with thecalling aspect of it, which, um,
yeah, it's just something.
Now, duck calling is a littledifferent because to me when you
call it ducks, you're like, hey, I'm over here.
When you're goose calling,you're trying to have a
conversation with them and moreor less that conversation is
stay away.
But yeah, um, that's reallywhat made me fall in love with

(20:45):
with hunting was probably thefirst time I called a goose in
and shot it by myself and thatwas like hooked immediately.
And now I got, I mean, we gotthe duck decoys and everything
we duck on a bunch, but it's Imainly goose hunt, that's,
that's my stick.
I got the dog and everythingand buck was late this year.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
Yeah, yeah, I mean we shot, we shot some scoops this
year we just see ducking, butthere was one puddle duck day
that I totally even forgot about.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Yeah, I'm hearing that from a lot of people.
That ducks, just wasn't it thisyear.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
Oh, duck season.
Everything I heard was greatdown south here and on coastal
Really yeah, but once we justdidn't pursue it.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
Like we, we went and yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
I don't know what that was.
Give me a thumbs up for openingthe beer.
I guess, but yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
I was going to say, like we do before, go goosey's
like september season.
You were talking squabs, wastalking about deer, you know
that's I mean and it's what'swild is.
You're up there in new york bythe sound of it and that's the
mecca for early season goosehunting.
I mean guys from all over theplace head up there yeah,
jersey's one of them jersey'sone of them.
Little hidden gems too.
I mean, there's guys that shoot100 birds a day I got apple

(22:03):
orchards.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Apple orchards where I live, it's all you know.
I'm like kind of in the heartof apple country here.
There's, all you know, feederponds in there for the orchards,
so the geese, I'm like anatural flyway here for them
guys when they come down.
I'm in the hudson valley sothey're kind of following the
hudson river.
I'm just a little bit west sideof the hudson river and they
come right down that flyway.
Man, I swear to god, I couldsit here in my backyard and

(22:26):
probably blow them away with thethree and a half, but I just
I'm out.
I'm out bowhunting man.
I've almost drawn back on acouple of them like flying over.
Oh, this is.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
This is like a $16 arrow, I'm not gonna lose it on
a damn and that's the thing,like I think for me when it
comes to that.
And then, honey, like I'm withsquash, I can't think of
anything else, like I'm gonnadie.
Like I love bow hunting, alittle bow hunting, deer and
black bear and everything likethat, but a just once the rut's

(22:55):
over, now that I've gotten sobig into waterfowl, everything
just switches.
I haven't, I haven't reallydeer.
I went out for six day here innew jersey for gun season.
And when I tell you I went out,I was just kind of being more
part of the, the crew of peoplejust going.
I just said I went out.
Yeah, I could really care lessif I freaking, I even I I saw a

(23:18):
few deer but I didn't care, likeI was just having fun, a change
of pace from doing the madnessof bow hunting, the way that I,
that I hunt and everything likethat.
It was just nice changing thepace.
But that time Christmas, earlyDecember, for me, is when it's
like all right now what I canthink about is is waterfowl and
goose.

(23:38):
And I love duck hunting.
I really do.
I love going after ducks.
But I'm so hooked on geese,like it's just I don't know.
I don't know if it's causethey're a little bigger, so,
like, just the way that theywork to me is just, it's just so
unique.
You know what I know if I wasliving when I think it's like
Arkansas or so what's the reallybig place for ducks?

(24:01):
Where you just have a floodedtimber and there's just ducks
everywhere.
I can't arkansas, mississippi,louisiana right I imagine if I
was there, like it would be likeall ducks, like it's ducks
galore and everything like that.
But you know, for here, man, wegot a, we saw some, I mean a
incredible amount of geese, andI mean it was up until the last

(24:24):
day just smoking them everysingle, every single hunt, you
know so, and that's how manybirds that we, that we had, um,
you know so, that's kind of likemy thing, um, with waterfowl,
but it's, I'll definitely agree,like I think right now, like
geese is hunting goose is my mything when it comes to to
waterfowl yeah, my cousin got it.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
A few years ago my cousin got into scoter hunting
and sea ducks and all that andthis year we actually did pretty
good.
We went up with Jeff Coates,pit boss, waterfowl opened a day
of Maryland duck season, shotsome scoters and then shot some
with my cousin and he did prettygood.
Other than that we shot acouple teal this year and then
once goose season hits, I meanother than that we shot a couple

(25:06):
teal this year and then oncegoose season hits, I mean the
only other thing I think we kindof chased this year was brandt.
Um, we, we, ryan, shot hisfirst brandt this year.
We both shot our first brandtthis year and um, then we went
down to delaware, shot adelaware brandt, ryan got one, I
shot a banded brandt, which wasreally cool.
And and yeah, but other than Imean which is goose hunting?
I guess, yeah, yeah, it's just,it's just so hard.
And and, yeah, but other than Imean which is goose hunting?

(25:26):
I guess, yeah, yeah, it's just,it's just so hard.
And and the money aspect comesinto a lot, because I got a
trailer full of decoys.
I got over 10 dozen decoys anda trailer.
It's hooked up to the truckright now and it's just really
hard to take the boat out whenthere's geese everywhere.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Yeah, so and I feel like you got to pick a niche.
Yeah, in waterfowl.
Like there's dudes that have atrailer full of snow geese, like
zach, and then there's also atrailer full of canadas, and
then there's people like buggythat are strictly for sea ducks,
and then there's other peoplethat are strictly for puddle
ducks.
Like I feel like if you try todo everything, you won't have

(26:00):
enough of anything.
You kind of got to try to pickone.
Unless you got a good paycheck,yeah, unless you're rich.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
That definitely helps that always helps with with
anything nowadays in this world,that that always helps.
But hunting has just gotten sohas gotten so expensive.
And you know, we, we, you gothrough the line of you know
deer hunting is now superexpensive, you know, and yes,
there's ways to do it where itcan be cheap and everything like
that.
But I think the way that I, youknow, I could definitely talk
with with squash and like ourguys, like we're all freaking,

(26:31):
we're all nuts when it comes toto deer hunting, you know, so
we're, we're it's, it's a 24-7grind.
So we're always spending moneygetting new gear, making sure
our gear is up to date andeverything like that, and just
it's a.
It's just like a revolving doorwhere you know waterfowl that's

(26:52):
another thing.
That's just super expensive.
And a big part of that isbecause of the decoys and how
many decoys.
And you know, you just hearlike um, just like you know snow
geese, you know they say whatyou really need for snow geese
is a ridiculous amount of you'llnever have enough.
If you're not on the x, don't goout with less than a thousand
decoys yeah, and that's howexpensive is like, how expensive

(27:16):
is that, like that's got to be,like you know.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
So socks on team who weren't that bad.
They were like 35 cents a sock.
That was Alibaba.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
We looked into that.
But if you're going like a fullsock spread.
Even when Rogers has them onsale, they're $40 a dozen yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
That's a long way to $10,000.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
I mean I got 20 dozen snow goose decoys and that hurt
the bank account pretty good.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
It's all right setting like a normal amount of
decoys, but if you go out andset like a thousand fifteen
hundred snow geese and don't geta burn, that's a.
That's a hard pill to swallowright there because those snakes
have a hard time going into theground and everything.
Yeah, we had to bring the.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
We had to bring the hammer and everything like that.
Just cold and so snowy andeverything like that.
Like I think the last, the lastday was um eight I think in the
morning when we got there eightdegrees, my full, like the
whole period was just frozen,just frozen solid.
I mean I like really, it was socold, I put on my sicka gear.

(28:21):
I just put on my sicka huntingwinter gear and I was like you
know what, screw it, I'm gonnawear this.
I may not be, you know,matching with the, the camera,
but I was like it's the last day, it is freezing, cold, cold.
I'm going to hunt comfy.
Today we still did great, so itdidn't even matter.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
That's another part people don't really talk about
is the clothing.
I have all sick of stuff.
A lot of my stuff is sick.
I still wear them.
I have Final Approach bibs.
They're only $200 on sale butthey're amazing.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
But yeah, I mean just to learn, in my closet there's
a thousand dollars in clothes.
Yeah, yeah, that's another.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
And then, if you really want to talk about it all
the shells, not only the gunlike you know the guns,
especially if you can't shootbut that's, but that's a fun
thing about waterfowling.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
I I mean this year the guys that I went out with
you know big shout out to justinand everything like that.
He was got he.
He knows his birds, he, hereally does.
Um, you know he, he brought alot of new hunters into into the
outdoors with waterfowl.
He got me into to waterfowl,like I can fully say he is the
sole reason why I waterfowl huntand he, he got me addicted to

(29:30):
it.
He's when, beyond when, myfiance bianca, divorces me, it's
gonna be his fault because wegot no money, because now I, now
I'm getting into waterfowl andeverything like that.
But you know you bring thesenew guys out and you get to bust
people's balls because you'rejust having fun.
You know, unlike deer hunting,you know everything's stealthy,
quiet and everything like that,with with this, like boom, boom,

(29:52):
boom, boom and like gosh,everyone misses or everyone
aimed at the same exact bird.
That's the funniest thing to me.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
It's like that birds get shot halfway down to the
ground.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
That almost happened a few times this year, like
where birds almost literallylanded on.
But like it's fun you knowyou're drinking coffee or hot
chocolate.
You, you know, you can makefood and everything like that
bacon in the blind.
Yeah, right, like it's.
That's what it's about andthat's what I love about
waterfowl hunting.
So much is that.
Is that right there it's.
You know it's the camaraderie,you know it's.

(30:28):
It's the locker room lifestylethat we have that deer camp, but
not when you go hunting.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
You don't have that everybody goes their separate
ways, where we all leave thetruck yeah, everyone's together
and everything like that.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
And after you, you've done your separate ways for
three, four months.
For me it's like oh, this isnice.
Finally, like socializing whilehunting is it's pretty, it's
pretty neat, um, you know.
So I, I think that's the part.
And listen, we've all beenthere, we've all had our bad
days where we miss and everylike yeah, and then you want to

(31:04):
blame the gun and everythinglike that and like, yeah, no
where the gun don't go off.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yeah, what I was like this year you ought to eject
the shell, and then you only gottwo shells in your gun instead.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
What I was like this year.
I missed.
I mean, I shot an okay littlebuck this year not to fill the
freezer, but before I shot him Isettled on him, I missed a
nine-pointer and I kicked myselfin the butt.
I mean, still to this day Ishot.
I have it on footage.
I mean, still to this day Ishot.
I have it on footage I shot.
You can't even see the gapbetween the arrow and his back.
Yep, and I couldn't tell youhow many geese.

(31:37):
I missed this year, but I don'tremember a single one of them
well, that's that.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
And that's the other thing.
Like you know, with deerhunting, everything it's a game
of inches, so everything matterswith waterfowl, if you mess up
waterfowl hunting, you'reliterally gonna get another
chance.
You could get one right away,or you can get one 30, you know
you're getting another chance,like the.
The amount of birds that thereare is it's just, it's just

(32:01):
insane.
So it's it's also fun becauseyou're continuing doing it over
and over, like you don't beatyourself up when you make a bad
shot or or something like that.
When you're when you'rewaterfowl hunting, you know,
when you're deer hunting, you'rebear hunting, you're doing all
the other things.
You beat yourself, you getreally down and everything like
that.
Listen, it's, you know also forme too, and I think, getting new

(32:23):
people into hunting, like ifyou take them deer hunting and
they wound an animal.
Everyone knows how sick to ourstomachs we get when we, when we
wound an animal.
You know, I'm not gonna lie,yeah, sometimes it sucks when
you shoot a bird and you know heflies on, you can see him, he's
going to and he goes down onprivate that's.
It's very unfortunate, right,but for the most part, if you're
hitting a bird, they're goingdown, you could go chase them

(32:44):
across the field and everythinglike that, and you're going to
be able to.
You'll be able to get them, youknow, I mean it's, it's.
It's just a little differentwhen it comes to that too, and I
think bringing new people intohunting I think waterfowl or
something where you're engaging,and stuff like that would be an
incredible hunting style to toget somebody in and then get
them into, uh, into likesomething very more look more

(33:07):
serious in the, the realm of youknow how you kind of be way
more disciplined when uh, morecrazy and and and you have to
scent and wind and everythinglike that.
So it's, it's definitely adifferent game that definitely
reignited my flame.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
like my flame burned pretty high for it, but I think
it burns even more because I gotmy best friend into it.
I mean mean it's just been, Idon't know.
There's very few times where wehunt every year that he isn't
with me or we don't go hunt ortogether or whatnot Even deer
hunt.
I sat in a truck a hundredyards away from when he shot his
first deer.
Yeah, and uh that's great.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
I mean, I like to do it, but if it wasn't for him I
wouldn't probably do it, Cause alot of our best memories and
experience came from doingsomething stupid out there, like
falling asleep in the rain withyour legs over the side of the
boat and the waders and stufflike that.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
It's, it's, it's worth the memories.
I get that in a day Like Iwouldn't trade anything.
You know to do what I'm doingnow, as much as I you know,
since Squatch knows this and,and you know a bunch of our
listeners like listen, I was aphenomenal hockey, but I'm not
trying to toot my own corner,anything like that like that's
what I did, you know, frombasically the age of five all

(34:26):
the way up to, and things happenfor a reason and I honestly
could say, like people ask me ifI miss it, yeah, I miss hockey.
And I honestly could say, likepeople ask me if I miss it, yeah
, I miss hockey, but I wouldn'ttrade.
Like this is what I was meantto do.
Like this right here is sittinghere talking to you guys going
out and hunting, doing this,like this is what makes me happy
.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
We may venture out, but we always come back to the
outdoors because that's whereour heart is, that's that's our.
You know what drives us to dowhat we do and you know, in the
back of your minds while you'redoing this hey, I'm a
professional drummer.
I've played drums since I wasfive years old.
My dad played drums.
I always thought that was goingto be my ticket and you know do
kind of stuff it wasn't.
You know I've done dibs anddabs and all kinds of other

(35:09):
stuff, but my heart alwaysbrings me back to the woods.
It always brings you back tofishing, you know, and it's a
time spent with your family,with your friends.
Any experiences that you had,whether they're bad or good, you
got to take them with a grainof salt.
You got to learn from some somestuff and you got to make

(35:29):
yourself a better person.
And I'll tell you, as you guysknow, and you know, Mike, I, I
didn't know Mike from nothing.
We were brought together by acompany who we were endorsing
and we became friends justbecause we appreciate each other
and we support each other.
And you know, out of this wholething, another fellow that's on
our team is Frank, and Frank islike a dear brother to me.

(35:50):
I feel like I've known him for35 years and he feels the same
and it's amazing that just inover a year, year and a half by
the internet, by being helpingeach other out and being a
distance away he's an hour awayfrom me, but you've become that
close and it's really a coolthing.
And you know what?
There's always a few idiots outthere that are going to ruin it

(36:11):
, but you weed them out.
You stay smart, you move on andyou know it's cool.
Like I just friended you guyson Instagram, man, you know what
I'm saying.
I can't wait to see you knowwhat you guys bring to the table
.
I saw that otter you trapped.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
That's pretty damn cool that up because that was
hands down.
I I've shot like I said.
I shot the banded brand.
I've shot banded geese, I shotbucks.
I've done everything that washands down.
The coolest thing I've everdone in the out.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
That's all.
Congratulations, man.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
That's a hell of a feat getting one of them they're
they're not easy to trap.
They're, they're pretty slick,they're slick especially because
I can only so in the new jersey.
In new jersey, yeah, off anotter, you get one otter per
year off your permit.
First, it's a lottery system.
Only 146 permits are handed outand the zone that I trap it is
15 permits.

(37:00):
So I think there was 33applicants this year.
I ended up drawing a permit.
I didn't get one last year.
This is our second, both of our, we took our trapping course
together.
So this is our second yeartrapping.
Really really good friend ofmine we've had him on the
podcast a bunch, colby f in thecoyote man, he, uh, he told me

(37:21):
if I ever drew an otter permithe he'd hook me up and help me
out and he did exactly that.
I took a day off of work.
We went out and, like I wassaying before, you get one otter
per permit.
Um, you get one permit a year.
If you're lucky enough to draw.
You can only set three specificotter traps, right, right, um,
with that permit.
So like I couldn't go out andset every otter slot, I saw we
had to pick and choose and itwas um, it took me eight trap

(37:45):
nights, seven or eight trapnights to catch him and it was
the hardest thing in the worldnot to be them.
Not to be them, cablerestraints.
And I didn't catch him in aconibear, I caught him in a
cable restraint, which was evencooler.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
So he's fallen in and drowning.
Is he a drown set?

Speaker 3 (38:00):
No, he attacked him.
Yeah, he came at me.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Oh, what Really yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
I'll explain the story of it.
So where I set was on aspillway bridge.
It veed out and on the leftside there's like a step down in
these rocks and he was comingup that step to use a toilet on
top.
So we set the cable restraintthere and we put like a 72 inch
extension cable on this thingwrapped around a tree down at

(38:28):
the bottom gotcha, so when hewould get caught he wouldn't
come up to the road or up on topof the bridge, he would go down
and get tangled.
Well, he never got tangled.
That I thought.
So we walk in and I see, I seethis, the the cable restraints
pulled and I'm like freaking out.
Already.
Ryan said he knew immediatelyfrom my face what had happened

(38:49):
and, uh, that's awesome.
And then I saw slack in thecable and I kind of I got a
little worried.
And then I saw his tail andthat's what I was like oh, this
is serious, like this is reallyhappening, this is awesome, yeah
.
And then I was like, well, howdo I get he?
So there was a little tree andthe bridge pile on.
He had wedged himself likeinside where he couldn't see his

(39:09):
head to, you know, to tokilling, basically to dispatch,
to dispatch, yeah, and I had togo down inside the trap circle
which I was told immediatelylike with an honor, do not do,
yeah yeah, yeah and uh, becausethey they get a little mean.
Oh yeah, I didn't know what wasgoing on and I went down and I
pulled him out.

(39:29):
When I pulled him out, he ranaround the other side of this
little tree which I didn't know,but he was on.
And I went down and I pulledhim out.
When I pulled him out, he ranaround the other side of this
little tree which I didn't know,but he was completely wrapped
around.
He only had like maybe 16inches to go back and forth.
I thought he had 72 inches to goback and forth.
So when he ran out I kind oflike jumped back.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
I thought he was going in the water, because the
water was right behind him.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
He ran around this tree and the weirdest thing he
like bowed up, he stuck hischest out, he's looking, he's
looking.
And then he lunged oh man, oh,and he was growling.
I mean, the teeth wereunbelievable and the coolest
part about it was I didn't knowhow big, how dense otters were.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
They're a lot bigger than I thought.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
They're strong man, yeah, yeah, I got very looking
at this here and this is it.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
This is big that thing was a 20, 22.3 pound male.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
He's not like a fish either, like he was a long boy.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
Yeah, he covered he covered all but maybe six inches
of a 99 GMC 1500 tailgate.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
So I because you know trapping is what I want to get
into next and everything likethat you know, when you're
trapping otters and everythinglike that, what is you know, is
it kind of like trapping, youknow, like a coyote they're kind

(40:54):
of like, you know, a littletougher to trap, you know from.
I mean, you guys could correctme if I'm wrong, but you know
they're smart, they're, you knowthey're, they're sly like it,
so this kind of like what it iswith otters they're, they're
very intelligent animals so itmakes it very difficult trapping
them.
And kind of what is theprocedure of like um, trapping
you know other animals versustrapping like you know an otter,
or like the difference betweenan otter and a beaver, why you

(41:15):
know, why you know it might be alittle easier to trap beavers
versus um, versus otters so Ican't say it was really hard
trapping the otter.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
I kind of knew eventually he would come back.
So what, what?
I think what took so long is Iset and then everything froze
for a week, um, and when thatwater freezes they're going
everywhere in the marshes.
Eventually he would come back.
So what, what?
I think what took so long is Iset and then everything froze
for a week, um, and when thatwater freezes they're going
everywhere in the marshes.
They're doing, they're doingtheir own thing.
They know water's not open sothey're not coming back to their
normal spots, they're outexploring, um.
I'm primarily a raccoon trapperand what I mean with the

(41:48):
raccoons you got, I one of thebest thing is guys with deer
deer will hit me up and be likehey, I got a bunch of raccoons
screwing up my bait pile.
Can you come catch them for me?
Yeah, I mean you might notcatch them night one, but you're
going to catch them withinthree nights in a dog proof trap
and that's what I primarily run.
This was actually the firsttime I've ever used cable

(42:09):
restraints, or whoever's outthere doesn't know trapping,
doesn't know what a cablerestraint is.
It's a snare that doesn't.
It's not.
It's a snare that doesn't kill,it doesn't go all the way.
So a cable restraint I've neverheard of it happening.
But a cable restraint willloosen up and the animal backs
off, just like a dog leash, andI think, I think you have to use

(42:35):
them in most of the surroundingstates, pa new york, stuff like
that pa does still allow forfoothold.
Yes, yeah, I mean jersey can't,you can't even possess foothold
track, but uh, not even as adecoration and um, wow, yeah,
these are the first cablerestraints I've ever, I've ever
set and I got very lucky tocatch, and you know, talking to
colby all these times and justsound the sound of it, I mean
he's got it down pretty pat.
He's going to catch his coyotesevery year.

(42:55):
But to the new trapper it canseem very, very daunting because
, yes, coyotes are super smart,foxes are super smart, or
canines, I mean, everybody's gota dog.
They know how smart their dogis.
Now, imagine if they have tolive on their own.
You know, um, I mean, even guysthat hunt coyotes know how smart
they are I was just talking toa guy at work who ran his caller

(43:18):
for the first time and he saidthe coolest thing was he watched
the fox come in running 100mile an hour, pump the brakes at
80 yards and circle 300 yardsto the downwind side he said.
He saw him 20 minutes latercoming down the downwind side
and now with you're not worriedabout that.
But I mean you could set yourtrap an inch off and you're not

(43:38):
going to catch.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
It's not just that.
I think they know because I seta cable restraint.
They were like they walkedthrough it the two days prior.
I set the restraint and hewalked around it the next day.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
The coyote did.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
I think it was a fox.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
Yeah, I don't know for sure, but yeah, now with the
otters, what's really nice is,I mean, an otter's only a big
otter is only going to standthis tall.
So a lot of times you can kindof guide them into the cable
restraint, and that's exactlywhat I did.
He couldn't get, he couldn't goto the left, he couldn't go to
the right, he was coming throughthat gap and as long as my
cable restraint was set, now,granted, if I set an eight-inch

(44:13):
loop, I probably wouldn't haveever called him.
But I set a four-and-a-half tofive-inch loop, about an
inch-and-a-half onto ground,knowing his head was kind of
going to be up because he'scoming up basically a stair, and
yeah, I mean it was prettysimple to catch him.
Now I did shoulder catching,which they say is very, very
common.
It's very common.
You get a neck catch on anotter or a beaver, for that

(44:40):
matter too, if you're cablerestraining beavers, I think the
otters can be a little trickier, because they will switch it up
unless you get right in ourhome territory.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Where, with a beaver, you're looking for dams and the
beavers are going to be at that.
Yeah, as long as you're settingslides, you're going to catch
slide.
Yeah, slide.
Drown with a weight yeah, pullthem right exactly um, I can I
back up for a second?
I thought I heard you say youcan't use uh, you can't use a
pan trap in jersey.
You you.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
You cannot possess a steel, uh, a steel leg hold trap
.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
You can't like a victor.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
You can't use a Victor pan trap, you can't even
if you're a trapper and you ownone and the game warden comes to
your house, say bye-bye to yourlicense.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Wow, we're allowed to use them in New York man.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
Yep, pa, you're allowed to use them.
Now you can use I'm not goingto say any names you can use
conibears in New Jersey but theyhave to be below the high tide
mark in total water in like alake or something.
They have to be below thewaterline.
Um, I have known of guys and Ido know a guy that has taken a

(45:42):
coni bear a coni bear 110, aconi bear 220 and put a pan on
it oh, there is nothing illegalabout it as long as it's below
the waterline yeah, yeah, that'sthe state doesn't differentiate
from a puddle to a pond ortidal water to the bay man you

(46:03):
would catch.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
You would catch so many damn raccoons with a pan
trap versus you know we do we doget to use the dog proofs which
?

Speaker 3 (46:12):
are pretty good.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
Yeah, I've only um, so far we've had.
He had one slip last year.
I had one slip last year.
Yeah, I posted it on the marshboys account, if you.
If you scroll down the lastraccoon I caught, I had a, I had
a slip.
So what happened was, I think,he got it wrapped around the
tree and compressed the springand pulled out.
He called himself the nextnight okay yeah, I had him.

(46:34):
I.
I took a little closer look atthe paw and it had two dog proof
yeah marks on it.
Yeah, but yeah, okay, cool man,now we also can use what's
called.
I don't know if you ever heardof collarum no they're a pain in
the ass to say and I haven'tused one yet and there's a 99
percent miss rate.
Okay, but what it is isbasically they come down and

(46:59):
they tug on this.
They tug on this little thingand it throws the loop around
their head no, no kidding, yepyou gotta set it up pretty much
perfect.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
It's nuts so it's almost like a survival spring
snare, basically, with a bendover limb and then a loop is
there.
So as the animal comes into it,it triggers it and pulls their
head Pretty much, yeah Cool, butyeah, trapping's definitely
become second to waterfowl on mylist.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
I love trapping Really.
Yeah, yeah, especially now thatI've got my otter.
It's something I want to doevery year.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Once you get set up, it's like almost exciting, going
out and checking Every day,every single day.
It's like Christmas.
You don't know if you've gotsomething or not.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Did you get the otter mounted?

Speaker 4 (47:44):
I'm going to yep.
I took it to Jersey.
I took it to my local guy thatdoes all my tanning and skinning
and flushing and all that.
I have everything to do.
It's just it's verytime-consuming if you want to do
urine stuff.
So I found a guy that does itand he took my otter and
actually February 22nd I have totake it to the state and they

(48:05):
have to stamp the inside of thehide and then they take the
carcass.
You're not allowed to keep thecarcass off of an otter I want
to say you can't keep thecarcass off a beaver either, but
I'm not 100% sure on that.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Really.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
Really.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
That's interesting.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
Yep, they do research purposes on the otter carcass.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
So New York State, just to give you a little bit.
I shot a bobcat with the bow upwhere I deer hunted when I was
running my beagles and I wasafraid that that bobcat would
kill my beagles.
So you know, I took the bobcatout.
It was a beautiful cat, 27pounds.
I took it.
I had to go to the New YorkCity DECU office, which is about

(48:44):
20 minutes from here.
This was during COVID right.
So I walk in, I got the mask onand this is that, these two
young.
So I walk in, I got the mask onand this and that these two
young biologists come down.
Young kid, barely just out ofcollege.
So I take it out of the bag.
I let him look at it and I said, oh, do you want to know where
I shot it?
No, no, I said you don't know.
I said, do you?

Speaker 3 (49:05):
want to wait, no.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
So he's got this round plastic ring, a tag with a
metal clip on it.
He's going to shove it throughthe air.
I said whoa, wait a second.
I said put that in the foot, orsomething.
I said I'm getting this catmounted.
I said don't, don't ruin mymouth.
You're going to put a hole insomething I don't need you to

(49:27):
put a hole in.
Yeah, all right.
So I it.
Yeah, all right.
So I said can I ask you guyssomething?
Yeah, I said what the hell wasthe point of me coming down here
?
You didn't write anything downabout the weight, you didn't
give a shit where I killed itand you didn't care how I killed
it or how much it weighed.
I said what, what it's just,you're just going through the
steps of having a seal of pelt,what they call seal of pelt, and
that's it and that's it waslike, yeah, I said what a
complete waste of time.
I would have rather gave yousome history on where the animal

(49:48):
came from.
And you know, nope, nope, wejust got to put this on.
And blah, blah, blah, go onyour way.
I was like, oh my gosh, what awaste of time.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
It's fine.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
And that's the one thing I like about bear hunting
here in New Jersey and you haveto go, bring it to the biologist
and you get to see them workand they're, they're taking all
the measurements.
They'll pull a tooth, likethey're doing, and like, if they
, if the bears tag, they willtell you exactly where this bear
.
And they, they know that, likethe history of the bear, like
with with peyton's bear, they'relike, oh, they're saying all

(50:23):
these things, like, yeah, thisbear originally came from here.
Yada, yada, yada.
Um, we tagged it when it wasthis age.
Um, all these things.
And it's like, oh, that's prettycool, american mike.
They're like, oh, yeah, we, youknow, we, we know this bear,
you know this, you, you shotthis bear here and mike was like
, wow, it was like they knewexactly where the hell I shot
this bear at.

(50:43):
Like that, see, that's prettycool.
And like now, how everything'sdone.
Online you don't get that sameengagement because you know, you
know you can tell it's likeback in there you had to bring
it.
You know, somewhere they hadthe check-in station and you
know, yeah, from everyone, fromthe movies and people you talk
to and everything like that,like it was a proud time, like,

(51:04):
you gained a lot of experiencewith your big buck and
everybody's like hey, check himout you had the bragging rights,
yeah, you don't?

Speaker 4 (51:13):
I mean, you do get it with social media to a part,
but like I said I now when I,when I started deer hunting,
they still had the check-instations and and, like I said,
they still had I mean, I'm suremike remembers in new jersey
when you had to be your threeseparate licenses um, you know
now it's a firearms license anda bow license, but anyway, and
then back to that point whereyou had check-in stations.

(51:33):
You know, right down the roadwhere I buy all my licenses was
a check-in station and Iremember as a kid going there
and seeing four or five trucksof guys looking at each other's
bucks and, you know, even does,and everything like that.
There was a really coolcamaraderie and that little
piece of it's gone, which youknow.
To another point, I thinkthat's why everybody's still
hanging onto these deer clubs.
Yeah, because there is thatcamaraderie with the hitch post

(51:55):
out front and all the deerhanging yeah, and letting
everybody driving by see, andit's awesome to see.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Well, you know, that's why it's kudos to Mike
for taking the time and makingthe Garden State Outdoorsman
podcast, because it kind ofbrings that that familiar.
You know, talk that you'd havearound the pickup truck looking
at the things.
But you know, we can sit back,we can remember.
I mean it's guys like you know,those guys that are bringing
these podcasts out, allowing usto get on and do stuff and talk

(52:23):
and shoot the shit about youknow what we've done in our life
.
I mean there's, there's a wallthere of stories.
I can tell you stuff for overan hour, you know, but you got.
You got them too, you know.
So there's there's yourtailgate of your truck, your bed
of your truck, and it's coolthat we all get together and be
able to do this and it's it's areally good thing.
I mean, we're not letting itdie.

(52:43):
I'm just trying to say we'rekeeping it alive.
Even if it's digital or, youknow, audio or whatever, we're
keeping it alive and that'simportant.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
Yeah, that's the way the world went.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
That's where the world went.
This is what the world isgiving us.
This is how we got to.
You know, this is how we got todo it.
And you're right, swatch, we'renot letting traditions die, die
it's.
It's going to be different.
You know, and I can onlyimagine what it's going to look
like in in 10 years from now.
You know what I mean.
Um, you know.
So also, keeping these ultralike hey, you know, I told

(53:14):
squash and we're like heybrother, like you got to come
down and you know you got tocome home.
You know we're, I, we're goingto go to frank, we're gonna.
You know, frank invited us tohis property in new york and
everything like that.
Um, you and just do stufftogether, because it gives some
of that old camaraderie andeveryone's together and it's
like, yeah, when you shoot it,you shoot a deer, like everyone

(53:34):
starts to come around, like that.
That's what I love about, loveabout and doing this and it's
it's that whole, whole mindsetand everyone is really, you know
, like, like a lot of guys thatwe, we hang out with and talk to
, like we're all equal-mindedpeople.
Yeah you know, when you know weget, get along, and I'm really
excited for you guys to, to meeteveryone and everything like

(53:55):
that, because then I think youguys are gonna be like, wow,
like you know, this is, this isamazing.
Like everyone like, if, whenyou see the crew that's probably
going to be coming, we, we allknow each other, like, and we've
all gotten so freaking closeover the last like couple of
years where, like it's likewe're all family, you know we're

(54:16):
all busting each other's chops.
We're all helping each other.
We're always doing like it'slike a big old family.
And that's exactly when I wantto keep going and you know, I'm
really excited for you guys tojoin and everything like that,
and see and and be a part ofthis, um, a part of this family
and everything like that,because I mean it's a blast
what's funny is oh, go aheadsorry um, I was gonna say, with

(54:38):
the whole podcast thing, like wewe're on episode 120, next week
will be 121 and wow and andit's, it's.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
It's been one of the coolest things I've ever done.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Um a lot of great people.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
From it I mean shane's plug riley from headlope
and waterfowl is one of ourbest friends now.
Lance lance from bucks countyboys that we're affiliated with,
is an awesome guy.
Mike we met mike through the if, if we never did a mike uh
podcast, we never would have hitmike up.
Um, jeff coats, you know, theone of the biggest sea duck guys
in the world.
He's become a huge friend ofours and you know not to be name

(55:11):
dropping or anything, but justlike guys like him Jeff
Stanfield, stuff like that it'sjust been amazing to make these
connections and do stuff likethis and now being able to join
you on your podcast and and dothe whole locker room talk and
just bs about hunting and whatwe love to do, and, um, that's
been the biggest part of it.
I mean we could shoot fivebirds a year but if I get, if we
get to do the podcast 52 timesa year, it makes everything so

(55:34):
much better.
Um, and and even to that was,you know even guys we went to
high school like colby, you knowthe guy, the, the trapper
friend of ours.
Um, you know we were alwayscool, but you know we didn't
really talk about this kind ofstuff and we have more podcasts
and it's a whole new world.
And and taking the light towhat you can do in south jersey.

(55:54):
You know, as to my knowledge,we're the first podcast you know
in south jersey and we might beone of the first waterfowl
podcast in new jersey and it'sjust trying to, you know, shine
a light, a light.
You know exactly what you'redoing like shining a light on
one of the hidden gems of theworld, the outdoors in our state
and just telling people aboutit.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
And I think that, oh, go ahead no go ahead.
No, I was just going to ask youwhat was the, what was the
toughest thing about you gettingstarted, like when I, when I
got doing more on social mediaand stuff, I was never.
I'm 50, I'm gonna be 50 in twodays, okay, so I'm not a spring
chicken.
Social media, all that crapwell, that'll be a long time

(56:37):
before, hopefully I don't clockno more.
Um, what I was gonna say was yousit there and you look at like
everybody was encouraging me tostart my own youtube channel.
You know, you know they're likeoh man, you're always out
hunting, you're posting stuffonline.
You know why don't you start achannel, and it was you're.
It's tough on you, man, and thecriticism and and oh yeah,

(56:58):
striving, striving to, I meandude, I put my heart and soul
and everything, man.
And when it comes to huntingand it's like you're putting
that out there for everybody'sseeing, you're not always
putting the good out, you'reputting the bad out too.
And it, let me tell yousomething, it's freaking screwed
with me hard and I'm justcurious was it a?
Was it a tough thing for youguys to break out and start

(57:20):
doing stuff like that too?

Speaker 4 (57:22):
so I'll start and I'll let ryan finish it.
Yeah, um, I'm a very socialperson, yep, but I never had to
like put myself out there to theworld.
And when you turn the camera toyourself, yep, and you're doing
it.
From that point of view it getsa little nerve-wracking,
because you know as much as I'venever worried about people,

(57:43):
what people thought of me.
Now you are worried about whatpeople think of you, and it's
tough.
There's been plenty of timeswhere we've recorded what full
YouTube videos and deleted thembecause we didn't like a
two-minute part of it and wewere scared to put it out.
Or it doesn't work out the wayyou wanted it to yeah.
And to backtrack to the otter,that was one of the most
nerve-wracking things I'veposted.

(58:04):
I have yet to post it to afacebook to to a public facebook
page to youtube.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
That's where a lot of the people that don't
understand the world we comefrom or come out of the woodwork
and, yeah, I'll be apart.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
I'm not worried about any hunters and stuff like that
at all.
It's the people that aren'tinvolved in the community.
Yes, it's, it's the guys youknow because, like I said, very,
I would say, ingrained in thewaterfowl community and a lot of
guys don't understand thetrapping world.
And that's become a big lovefor me and Ryan, and it's hard
to post that kind of stuff andbe like, hey, look what we did

(58:39):
to guys that are like whoa, Idon't know about that, I mean,
but we still do it and we won'tshy away from it.
But yeah, like I mean, but westill do it and we won't shy
away from it.
But yeah, like I said, my pointwas, you know, I made the
comment last weekend we weregoing to record a video and it
just didn't work out and I said,hey, I got to go.
I got to go, look like a toolbag for 10 seconds.
I got to take some products,some product pictures and stuff

(58:59):
like that.
You know, and you're doing itwith guys that have never done
that before.
They might post a Snapchat andthey're on Instagram, but
they're not trying to like and Idon't even want to call it
bragging but they're not tryingto like, make something out of
it, so they're not worried abouthow every goose is lined up or

(59:20):
what decoys are in the picture,or getting videos of my dog
which is one of my favoriteparts of everything is my dog.
Oh yeah, me too, man, I lovethat dog.
But um, yeah, so I mean I'lllet you finish out that
statement because I know it's alittle harder on you so it's the
opposite for me.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
I am not the most social person.
He's always been the socialbutterfly and I just kind of go
do things with him.
Okay, and I know the first atleast 10 episodes we barely talk
, and then we had a pretty bigguest come on very early on

(59:55):
Between 20 and 30 episodes westarted doing our first guest.
And I still didn't have any Istill didn't really have the
voice yet, I guess would be thebest way to say it, like your
conversational skills, and hecomes on and that that podcast
was like pulling teeth, I think.
I think after that I reallystarted to think about you know

(01:00:19):
the quality of the conversationand what you're talking about
and, for example, not spotburning for an entire episode
just to try to relate tosomething and that's been
another great thing.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
You know, but there was never any barrier between me
and ryan.
We always talked about what wewanted to talk about.
There's no judge.
I mean, we talked to each otherlike an old married couple oh
yeah, no, we don't hate eachother at all, but, um, it was
very, very cool to watch Ryan.
I remember we went to a few.
We were very much homebodies inhigh school, but the parties we

(01:00:53):
did go to you went to more thanI did.
He didn't talk to anybody andstuff like that.
And now you're bringing theseguys very, very influential
people in the outdoor space thatyou know, even though we don't
really haven't seen before, wedefinitely look up to in some
space.
You know, even though we don'treally haven't seen before, we
definitely look up to in in somespace.
You know, whether it bevirtually or connectual reason
or something like that, and towatch him grow and talk about

(01:01:16):
these things and open himself upand be more personable.
That's been a really cool steptoo.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Like he was worried about me being shy for this
podcast I don't think it's beentoo bad?

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
no, not at all no, you, you've done great.
I mean, um, I, I completely getit.
I mean I've had, I've hadpeople on that.
Just, it's tough having them onfor the most part.
What?
What episode are we even on?
200 or 200 and something Ican't even remember right now,
but I'd say I'd say probablyonly five episodes where the

(01:01:47):
guest was like very, I don'teven know, I don't know if it
was shy, but just didn't want toreally open up where it's like
you're, you're trying to pullstuff out of them.
But for the most part, a lot ofpeople let the conversation
flow and I make that very clearto a lot of people like, oh, is
this scripted?
No, we don't script our stuff,because you know what, to me,

(01:02:08):
this is what people want.
They want the thing to flow.
Whatever is coming out iswhatever is coming out, and I
think both of you guys have donea phenomenal job on your guys'
podcast.
Now you're coming here on hereand everything like that, and
it's not the easiest thing toget used to.

(01:02:28):
I talk about all the time.
You know I'm actually I'mgiving the reins this show just
to some of our Jersey guys, likeI'm giving them the reins and
everything like that to, to hostthe show and everything like
that.
Like, and I feel like I I lovemy guys, I fully trust my guys,
like there's, you know, thisgroup of guys that I have.
They're, they're amazing and Iwouldn't do that if it wasn't.

(01:02:48):
But, you know, I understood,like, and maybe in the beginning
, like, oh, you know you're alittle shy and everything like
that.
Now everyone has their own page.
You know, we work on all thestuff from boondocks to to the
squashes page, the Frank's page,everything like that, where
everyone is now so used totalking on here.
They're going on instagramlives, they're going on other

(01:03:09):
people's uh podcasts andsquatches.
Squatch does two podcasts hedoes ours and he does white tail
advantages podcast, anothercrew that we're.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
You know that we're close to and I'm gonna have to,
I'm gonna have to bail soon.
I do which I do know that yougotta go you gotta go now record
for them.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
But but you know you get so used to it and once you
that 20, 25 episode mark, I feelyou just it becomes second
nature.
And now you guys have beendoing it for so long Like, okay,
hey, this is what we got to godo.
Boom, boom, boom, boom.
And here we go, it's anotherday at the office.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
And what's cool about that?
Like he said, whitetailAdvantage on his show.
We support him too.
He's like a brother to our showalso, and we all work together.
We help each other out.
There's no looking down ournose to spite our face with
anything.
Absolutely, we work together,man, and it's one key thing I've
explained to everybody sinceI've started doing this stuff

(01:04:04):
we're more powerful togetherthan we are on our own.
And you can travel so muchfurther in that big lake of
everybody just kind of you knowstuff out there and us trying to
do it all by ourself and it'sit's a nice thing, it's a really
nice thing to see this greatcamaraderie and on this point,
guys, I very nice to meet theboth of you.

(01:04:25):
I hope to see more from you.
Mike, thank you for having meon for the short time.
I wish I could hang a littlebit longer, but I gotta jump on
the other podcast and go do yourthing before you go I do have
one question.
Thank you, thank you guys.
Thank you for your time andhave a great night and the rest
of you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Oh, wait, squad, you got.
You got.
One more question for you.
Oh, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
One question for you has anybody told you you have a
great night and the rest of yourweek?
Oh wait, squatchy we've got onemore question for you.
Oh, go ahead, I've got onequestion for you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Has anybody told you you have a radio voice, thank
you, I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
You have a very good radio voice.
Yeah, oh cool, I told him?

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
Have I heard him?
On a commercial or somethingbefore.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Oh hey, thank you so much, Right here man.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Listen, guys, I know he's got to go Squatchy.
I'll talk to him.
If you guys haven't checked out, check out his episode that he
did with his first episode withus.
Listen, I did no hostingwhatsoever.
I introduced him and that wasit.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
It was done after that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
He talked the whole and he was apologizing after I
go.
No, that is what I want I go.
I got to sit back like like Iwas a listener, kick my feet up
and just sit here and listen thewhole entire time.
I even have to come up withquestions.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
I'm going.
Should I keep going?
Mike said keep going, keepgoing, keep going.
I'm like I got off the podcastand I'm like I said to my wife.
I was like I don't think thatguy's ever gonna talk to me
again.
I just like wrote this show andshe's like what?
And I'm like he just kind oflike let me run the show.
And I'm like, but he liked it,and she goes well.
And then a couple of weekslater he's like hey, would you
join the team?
And I'm like hell yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
It was great, it was absolutely great.
I appreciate you, brother.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
I appreciate you All right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Yep, Take care man.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
So boys, a few more, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
Yeah, we got time.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
For you know, brian, we, we, we got your.
You know how you got into it,ryan.
How about you?
Like what, what got you?
You know when you finally didget into it.
You know what was.
What was the toughest thing foryou about waterfowl hunting
getting into waterfowl huntingand if there's some advice out
there for people trying to newhunters getting into the

(01:06:38):
waterfowl grind, like what, whatcould you give them?

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Um, so I've had the.
I feel like I've had the samething that I'm focused on when
I'm asked this question and itprogressively gets better every
year focus on connecting withone bird.
I know it's exciting when awhole bunch of them come in and
you just blast into the flockand hope for the best.
But this year I slowed down andI aimed down the barrel the

(01:07:09):
correct way and I picked out oneburn and I would say about 70
of the time I I will hit.
I might not bring it down, butit'll be pretty close and it was
nice this year because what theoriginal two years I would
shoot something I'd look overand brian was that me and
because, like I wasn't, I wasn'tsure, but this year I'm

(01:07:32):
starting to see like when itactually is and it's really
rewarding.
So I would say, try to calmyourself down when that moment
hits, when they fly through andand I mean obviously I'm still
not perfect at it either I stillget excited and we'll blast
into the block occasionally.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
Well, I remember when I first sunk in, so I had
talked about going on that tripwith Jeff Coach.
This year we went on the tripwith Jeff Coach.
It was me, him, my dad, mycousin, my uncle, which was
really cool.
And we were on the ride up andI don't know if it was in a
parking lot or whatnot, but I I,I basically yelled at him.

(01:08:10):
I said yo, enjoy this.
Slow down, realize what you'redoing from loading a shell,
picking your gun.
Slow down and pick your birdout.
And we got in the carafterwards and he was like I
know I shot like two of thosebirds and that was awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
Yeah words, and he was like I know I shot like two
of those birds and that wasawesome, yeah, and like even
seeing the hail mary shot fromnot last weekend but the weekend
before oh yeah, juice, that wasway up in the air like yeah,
don't you?

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
don't you love those dude?
Those hail mary shots are great, like I love it when you just
freaking, send it ryan ben, move, move your head to the left.

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
Yeah, that, gadwall right, there was a was one of my
first ducks I shot.
That was a hail mare.
That was like a 70-yard shot.
I was like last shell ow and itfell and I was like, oh okay,
all right, that's going on thewall.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
I love it.
I love it, justin.
So one of the times whereinliterally just sent it this year
, we run into the blind and I goto sit down but I'm I'm
focusing because this bird justcame out and it was a solo, just
came out of absolutely nowhereand we're like, oh, he's
committed, like he was full on,he was cupped and everything.
So I was like all right, Ithought I fall back and I I just

(01:09:23):
absolutely eat shit.
And this bird just coming allof a sudden, you just see him
raise it and it just literallyplopped, literally right in
front of us and it's just likeyou just love it.
I wish you could have made ittonight.
Zach also, and one of our newestteam members.
He went on for the first timewaterfowl hunting this year and
I'll tell you his the first dayhe came out, no, didn't get a

(01:09:48):
chance to shoot.
We me and we only got two birds.
The wind was.
The wind was so rough and theyjust could not.
You would just see them, theywould give a twist and turn.
They're trying to, they'retrying to get down.
They just they couldn't getdown.
We shot two and that was it.
So the next time he comes outwith us.
You know, we're, we're all there, we, we got these birds coming

(01:10:09):
in and it's two brand newhunters for waterfowl.
They're sitting right, once tomy left, once to my right and
you know like, all right, thesefirst wait, we're just going to
let the new guys, we're going tolet the new guys shoot, we're
going to hold off, right.
So I got the camera, I'mfilming and everything like that
.
All of a sudden, the guy you'relike all right, shoot, shoot,
shoot.
The guy to my right just startsblasting away and I'm like why

(01:10:32):
the fuck is this guy notshooting right next to me?
That's not shooting right.
He aimed down this site,actually took his time and
finally the last, the last birdthat was getting away one shot,
just dropped it right out thefreaking sky.
And you know that was his firsttime, I think, um, because
second, second or third timeshooting gum, but that was his

(01:10:52):
first shell shooting at anactual bird and he knocked it
down.
And you know he, what youbrought up, is calming down,
like that's right.
I wasn't like that.
It's so overwhelming, ducks,when you got that many, it's
very overwhelming.
Ducks.
Geese, when you got that many,it's very overwhelming, and I
never took that time in thebeginning to as well.
All right, let's take a deepbreath, let's aim down the

(01:11:15):
sights.
It's like I would just, I wouldjust start shooting.
You know, it's fun.
It is fun sometimes, you know,but yeah, I mean, I'm sure.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
I'm sure you know so, like with deer hunting a lot of
times.
Yeah, I mean I'm sure, I'm sureyou know so, like with deer
hunting a lot of times.
And I mean even you know we'vetalked on my, on our podcast
before how I hunt deer.
I'm very lazy deer hunter buteven even the way you hunt, I
mean a lot of times.
Correct me if I'm wrong, butyou have that time with a deer,
see deer prepare for deer, calmdown and shoot right.

(01:11:44):
You can go through thosemotions even if it's a two
minute span.
A lot, especially with duckhunting with teal, with teal you
have 30 seconds to do all ofthat, if you have 30 seconds.
30 seconds is a long shot, youknow, geese are a little easier.
They're going to work for you.
You're going to watch them comein.
It takes a little longer, butand I mean you and then at that

(01:12:05):
point you're also watching 60birds come to you, yeah, yeah
yeah, and granted, I know howI'm speaking of that.
I just got a trail cameranotification.
Um, I have, I I get buck feveron a doe.
Even even a six pointer I'veshot this year.
I shook like a leaf and, butlike it's just you compact every
single one of those feelingsinto 15 seconds, 30 seconds,

(01:12:26):
yeah, you know, and it's hard.
It took me a long time to dothe whole slow down deal.
But once you know, once youfigure it out, it's something
that sticks with you.
Like Ryan was saying, once youstart connecting and you know
what you're doing, it makes itso much more Okay, but granted
you don't shoot at a teal, youshoot at the teal.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
That's the only instance where that works.
Yeah, that's fair.
The teal and you know the the,you know.
Other people use thisterminology, I imagine too.
But like I always, when peopleask me you know about waterfowl
and the difference to goose andducks, I'm like listen, ducks
are like fighter jets.
They are, they're coming,they're flying.
I go ge, they're coming,they're flying.
I go geese are big ass bombers.
That's, that's all you know.

(01:13:11):
You see them coming, yep.
And when you get them committed, it's like ah you, you
literally you can take your time, because once they once they're
committed, then they're lockedup and everything like that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
Yeah, they're big nerds, you know, so you have
more time than you.
You really think.
On that last goose hunt and Idon't think I told you this the
last goose hunt I went on Iactually noticed for the first
time slowing down like that,their feet actually coming down
when they commit.
I've never actually I neveractually bang like like
registered that in any of ourprevious hunts and I saw their
feet go down.
I was like yeah, they're gonnado it no matter what.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
Now ryan I picked that up this morning.
With that, I picked that, youknow sorry, go ahead, go ahead I
said every time now, every timehe sees geese like do a 180,
he's like they, they're going todo it, they're going to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
And sometimes I will say it is morning.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
It's a great thing, you know, and, ryan, you and I
have the.
You know we, because I'm new inthe waterfowl and everything
like that.
So you and I are on, probablyyou know, the closer level when
it comes to waterfowl.
Like I picked up on that thisyear, like last year.
Um, there's so many things thatI was learning last year,
because last year was my firstyear, uh, goose hunting, because
I think last year is the yearwhere they moved it up to three,

(01:14:34):
before it was, I think the yearbefore that it was one, so we
weren't even wasting our time.
Yeah, um, so last year was thereal year where I got to to
goose hunt.
So there was so much that I wastaking, taking in last year
that I didn't even notice, likeI, all I knew is to keep my head
down to where.

(01:14:54):
This year I knew the things thatI could get away with.
You know we, especially whenyour cover is good, you know,
and I'm trying to get used tobecause you know you're calling,
you're doing this.
I started calling a little bitthis year and everything like
that.
So you're, you're, you're justwatching these birds, you're,
you're making sure you don't getseen, and everything like that.
And just slowly, just thatlittle, and all of a sudden the

(01:15:16):
feet get down.
And you know, jesse's like allright, they're committed.
Once the feet are out there,they're committed.
And you know, after I pickedthat up I was like now, now the
new hunters that better haveless experience than me, I go
wait, wait, wait, wait.
Feet aren't down yet.
Hold on, hold on, let's let's.
You know, let's wait.
And you know, the cool thing islike you got someone who's kind

(01:15:40):
of in charge and lead.
Like Justin makes the call andwe all, like you know, you guys
probably, have someone you know,brian it could be you or
whoever you're doing, you'remaking.
Yeah, and you know you're,you're making the call and
everything like that, and it'slike, all right, you don't do
anything until that person makesthe call.
And boom, when you know, whenthey say, all right, let's get
them, you're, you're up in,you're doing what you need to do
, you know, or, or heads down,or you know everyone stopped

(01:16:04):
calling, let him hard, and stufflike that, like I learned a lot
of that this year andeverything like that.
So, ryan, it's the same thing,I imagine for you and it's only
going to progress for us andanyone else who's new and
getting into it as well.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
Honestly, I think it was only like a couple more
birds than last year.
I'd be okay with a couple morebirds than this year, next year,
until I'm up to where Iactually can shoot, If I have
the opportunity to get my limitand I actually pull through with
it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
That's like You've done that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
No, I mean without missing, you know, three shells.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
Yes, three shells.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
That's impressive.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
Yeah, that's impressive.
If you could do that, that'simpressive.
I yeah, that's that'simpressive if you could do that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
That that's.
I'm just saying that, likeeverybody's got their long-term
goal with their hobby, like thatwould be like by the time I'm
done and too old to do it, Iwant to say that I'm able to do
that actually the first timeI've ever done.

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
It was two weekends ago.
Well, I shot three geese withthree shells and that was my
limit.
That's the first time and shoot.
I'm waterfowl hunting for 11years now, nine years now, and
that was the first time I'veever done it you know what my
goal is next year?

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
because I love bow hunting so much.
My arrows made and I am goingto kill one with the bow that
would be.
That would be really cool madeand I am going to kill one with
the bow.
That would be, that would bereally cool.
I, I just like, and it's notgoing to become a thing.
There's certain animals thatdeserve you know that you got to
use a gun.
Waterfowl is 100.
It's not going to be the samewith the bow.

(01:17:38):
Um, also, I believe, turkey like, I'm going to try to kill a
turkey with the bow eventually,but that's going to be something
that I strictly just want touse a gun for, like, it's just.
It's just that feel, you know.
I mean, so I'm not going to beone of those people like, oh,
like, I'm going to start usingthe no right, but to get one.
Um, I always want to get atleast every animal I hunt with a
bow.

(01:17:58):
Um, you know so.
So that's the goal, um, and Icannot wait for that.
But, um, boys, uh, any, yeah, I, I want you guys back on
without a, without a, without adoubt.
Um, you guys are definitelycoming back on, um, I want to
get on one of your journeynights.

Speaker 4 (01:18:15):
Not to invite myself.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
No, we're no, we're no no, but I see, here's the
thing don't worry about invitingyourself.
I want people, becausesometimes I'm sitting there like
trying to come up with peoplewho should I ask, who should I
ask Listen to.
Yet Trivia night is coming back.
Once the off season is almostdone, we are going to be coming
back out with a with trivianight and everything like that.
So definitely, definitely goingto get you guys on, definitely

(01:18:39):
want to get you guys on on abunch of more episodes and
everything like that.
Love talking to you guys, anyany last stories that you guys
want to talk about, anythingspecific jumping out at you.
You guys could also save it forthe next time or like that as
well, but anything specific.

Speaker 4 (01:18:56):
I mean, I got my otter story out.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
I think we covered the most exciting parts.
I've been floundering trappingso I'm not even going to talk
about that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
I guess my closing.
For the first time we've beenon here once again.
We met you through the socialsand it's been an amazing
experience and we were sothankful to have you on our
podcast a few months ago and itwas a great time.
And Joe, just doing it againand again and again, we're going
to become closer andconversation is going to get

(01:19:27):
better and you know stuff likethat.
So we're very grateful for youknow, for meeting you and now
coming on your podcast and doingthis.
I hope your listeners reallyenjoyed, you know, hearing us.
But just to reiterate the wholepodcast thing, you know we
wouldn't have any of thiswithout social media, without

(01:19:48):
podcasts, without, you know,branching our own selves out
with it, without exploring ourown confidence and stuff like
that.
And, and I think that makes theoutdoor space a little better,
um, I think especially, it makesthe hunting community in new
jersey a little better, becauseonce again, we have one of the
biggest hidden gems in thecountry, I believe.
Um, yeah, I'll never.
I'll never back down from thatstatement either.

(01:20:09):
You're a massive deer hunter.
You're a massive deer hunterthat's now turned into loving
waterfowl.
We're massive waterfowlers thatnow turn into loving trapping,
and I still love to deer huntand Ryan has experienced deer
hunting now.
I mean, if you look behind me,there's a large mouth, a widget,
a pin tip or a pheasant andducks, you know, and soon to be

(01:20:33):
an otter on this wall and that's, you know, the the last words
that I will say.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
And you know, people have heard and I'm going to say,
because this is what ourpodcast is and this is exactly
why we are coming out with a newshow, because this show needs
to only be about focusing aboutthe garden state again.
You know, and I and I that'sthe whole reason why I started
the show.
I got away from it, obviously,that the show got more popular
and I wanted other guests on,but now it's time to bring this

(01:20:59):
show back to the roots, allabout, you know, the garden
state, new jersey, because youknow what we got great deer, we
got bear, we got one of the bestbear populations and monster
bear.
You know you got 770,000 blackbear, yep, insane Waterfowl.
I mean, we didn't even getblack ducks.

(01:21:21):
How many black ducks do we havein New Jersey?

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
Oh, wow.
So I went on on.
Before coastal opened up, Iwent out and scouted and even
even now you can go down there.
I mean, you drive down any ofthese marsh roads.
The only duck you see is ablack duck.
Yep, yeah, and we.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
I actually you know, pointed it out to me and I drive
that I drive this one road homeevery single day from work.
There's three dozen black ducksthere every single day, and we,
of course, the season's over wemet up we met a quick shout out
to brian zeon's a foul pursuitcode down in north carolina.

Speaker 4 (01:21:57):
Him and his wife came up and hunted with me a few
weekends ago.
We goose hunted and, um, Iactually took him, took him and
sam to go check out our trapswith me and I showed him the
coastal marshes of new jerseyand he, they were like man, like
all the farm fields, becauseI'm not sure if you venture down
here very much, but it'snothing but but cornfields and

(01:22:18):
and stuff like that.
I mean it's it's all openfarmland and marshes and they
were like whoa.
And then seeing all the blackducks, like he shot one, I think
, this year, last year, um, butit was just like all we saw was
black ducks and they wereamazing.
We had to stop.
Every time we saw them we hadto stop and I mean it must have
took an hour of just stoppingand I'm looking at these birds

(01:22:38):
and stuff like that like theywere enthralled by it yeah,
jersey, jersey got everything.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
You know we, we really do, and it's one of those
things that no one's reallygoing to recognize it Like still
.
Like you know, people are goingto talk about other States and
which is which is fine, likewhatever.
We know what we got and youknow I love, I love what we got.
And you know I had Maddie buttsfrom from Jersey outdoors.

(01:23:05):
You know the number one podcastepisode that we did for 2024,
fan voted and downloads thisyear and he said at best he goes
.
If I was going to get aproperty anywhere, it's going to
be New Jersey.
And I was like you know what?
You're right, like if I had, ifI was gonna had unlimited money

(01:23:26):
, why not?
Because we shit, we've beenhunting, we've been deer hunting
.
Since what's the states we goto?
February unlimited does in 2027?
They're moving to seven bucks,which I don't agree with.
But whatever with you on thatright, you know, we got bear
hunting, we got, you getwaterfowl.
Then you we're not even talkingabout the shore and you know,

(01:23:46):
you know you could go down thereand go fish.
It's just how can you not saywe don't like, we have
everything.

Speaker 4 (01:23:55):
Most states have one thing we have everything yep, I
agree 100, yeah, yeah and, likeI said, that and we've we've
branched out, you know, throughthe podcast years've we've
branched out.
You know, through the podcastyears we've we've branched out
to talking to national people.
But you know, we always seem tobring it back home and we'll
get somebody from like rightaround our area to get on and

(01:24:16):
they always do the best.
You know, for the most partyeah, I definitely agree.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
Well, boys, please let the listeners out there know
where they can reach you guys,where they can follow you.
Please let the listeners outthere know where they can reach
you guys, where they can followyou where you can follow the
podcast and everything like that.

Speaker 4 (01:24:32):
You want me to do it At Marsh M-A-R-S-H underscore
boys.
On Instagram, tiktok, marshBoys Outdoors on YouTube, the
podcast, the Marsh Boys podcaston Spotify, apple, google,
iheartradio everywhere you canget your podcasts.
We're on it.
We air every Tuesday morning.

(01:24:54):
Mostly it's late Monday night,but we advertise it's Tuesday
morning.
Yeah, if you like hearing us,come check us out.
You know, we would greatlyappreciate it.
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We have some really cool decalsup there.
And at the outdoor dinner April5th, correct?
We would greatly appreciate it.
Marsh boys outdoorscom.
We have some really cool decalsup there.
Um, and at the outdoor dinnerwith April 5th, correct?

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
Yep, um, if you come in and you follow us, the first
20 people that come say helloget free decals.
Um, you know, just to, just Ilove it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
I love it.
I'm going to make sure you know, well, I'm going to, I'm going
to do everything.
I'm so excited for this, I'mexcited for you guys to come.
You know, and everything likethat.
The tickets will be going onsale in a couple of days,
february 1st.
So we're officially going tostart the sale tickets and
everything like that, but reallylooking forward to meeting.

(01:25:43):
You guys are great guests,great guys.
You know it's, it's beenamazing and you know things are
just starting and you know Idefinitely we're definitely
going to have to link up nextyear and get a hunt together and
everything like that I'mlooking forward to that and you
know all our listeners out there.
Thank you guys so much.
Make sure you guys give them afall.
Make sure you guys go listen totheir their podcast.

(01:26:04):
We actually drop on the sameday, so go listen to theirs and
then go to our episode, or viceversa.
Whichever way you do, we aredropping on the same day, so
make sure you go check out bothepisodes and we appreciate you
guys and we'll see you guys.
We'll see you guys next time.

Speaker 4 (01:26:24):
Yes, sir, thank you for having us.

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