Tracking Bears Through Maine and New Jersey w/ The Mountain Savage

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to the Garden State Outdoors and
Podcast presented by Boone DucksHunting you know and that's why
you're your um, your tagline,like JCL, known perfect.
You don't know what's on theline for the game.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
You don't know what's on the line for the game.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
I accidentally drifted my canoe between a sow
and a cub and she like chargedand like hit like the back of
the canoe.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
His head hit the ground before his ass did
Begging, begging and crying togo with my grandfather, go with
my father on these deer drives.
You know, the last trip over Ishot a great Cape Buffalo with
my bow, Charging through thegrass.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
And then the whooping .
And then you hear Welcome tothe Garden State Outdoorsman
Podcast.
I'm your host, Frank Mastika.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
You got the old squad sitting in with old Frank.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
And on today's episode we have Eddie Mackin
from the.
He also goes by Mountain Savageright Mountain Savage on
Instagram.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, the Mountain.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Savage, yep, the Mountain Savage.
Eddie, welcome to the show bud,how you been.
Eddie, welcome to the show bud,how you been.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Doing good.
Doing good I'm glad to be here.
Just a whole new line of stuff.
You know, doing these podcastsand stuff.
It's pretty fun.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, I'm sure I appreciate you coming on.
So, Eddie, why don't you giveus Like a little background on
yourself?
Tell us, you know, how you gotinto hunting, you know?
Just give us a littlebackground on yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
So it's just hunting, you know.
Just give us a littlebackground on yourself.
So, uh, just you know, I grewup into it, my father's big
hunting and fishing, so uhhadn't, I felt like I was just
brought right into it at a veryyoung age.
Uh grew up fishing, you know,like right into diapers, right
out of diapers, been fishingnon-stop.
Uh did a lot of salt back in myteenage years and stuff like

(01:46):
that.
Now I do a lot more fresh water, you know, with the, with the
business and everything, butother than that I've been
hunting.
Uh, I love hunting.
Hunting is my thing.
I love to fish, don't get mewrong, but I feel like I just
fish between hunting seasons.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
That's what I do, that's my jam listen, you'll fit
perfectly in here with us,especially squats he's.
He's the bigger fisherman outof us too I am love fishing I
love more though oh yeah, ofcourse.
So, eddie, I was gonna ask youum.

(02:20):
You just recently went on abear hunt to maine, right?

Speaker 2 (02:24):
sure did.
Yeah, no, I uh been doing thatbear hunt since uh, 2017.
We only ever skipped one year.
And uh, but I go with the sameoutfitter.
We uh it started off at abachelor party with my bachelor
party back in 17 and, uh, it waspretty fun because it was just
a couple of us and it wasactually it literally just

(02:46):
narrowed down to me and my otherbuddy who were just like
diehard bear hunters.
That's what we do.
And we hooked up with thisoutfitter just northern new
england outfitters and uh, we'vebeen going there.
I had, uh, I honestly I woundedthe bear on the first trip there
.
You know, I made, just made apoor shot, you know, took a
frontal shot on a black bearwith the muzzle loader, thought

(03:07):
I at 30 yards I thought for sureI was just gonna pummel it.
Um, you learn quick.
Anyway, since then, we've beendoing uh, just about every year
and, uh, you know, I've, I've, Ipretty much I get pretty lucky
with them.
You know, every year, we getone up there.
It's, it's not a, you know, it'sa great outfit, excellent
outfit.
You know we've been going foreight years.
Eight years, the only the oneyear we didn't go is the only

(03:29):
year because me and me and theguy who've been going from the
beginning, we were both havingsons in uh 18.
We had little boys, we both hadkids like babies and like I was
like no, we were like you know,we love it up there, like
genuinely, genuinely love it.
They're great people, greatatmosphere, great everything,
and I were like you guys comingback next year and we're like no

(03:52):
way, dude like no way, you know, and I was like can't make it,
there's no way.
But I was like I promise we'recoming back.
And then, uh, we had kids.
Right, we had obviously had.
We both had boys.
And uh, the irony of that isthis past season, this last week
, we brought both our boys withus bear hunting up there.
Those boys that we didn't, youknow that we skipped that one

(04:15):
season for them.
We both shot bears on the samenight.
We both heard each other'sshots.
You know, in the span, it was areally special thing, it was
really more special.
Just, you know, the span, itwas a really special thing.
I was, it was really morespecial, just, you know.
It's hard to explain that, butyou're just like.
I was like yo, we went from.
Like you know, we skipped ayear and now they're helping us
drag them out.
I'm like this is pretty good,you know, I'm like this is

(04:35):
pretty good.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
You know that's very cool man.
First of all, likecongratulations, because I I
remember you sending me one ofthe um, one of the things on
Instagram for the bear.
So that's awesome man,congratulations.
How big was that bear?

Speaker 2 (04:50):
see that bear, that bear was only 163 pounds.
Uh, you know, we, uh, we go.
I'll be honest with you, wedon't go up there to try to find
size right now.
Yeah, my other buddy, scott,the guy I've been going with
since day one, he's got the,he's got the, he's got the, the
record there right, which islike 414, 415 pounds or
something like that, that's likea big bear up there.

(05:12):
That's what for the lodge andeverything like that.
Uh, another friend of ours thatgoes with us, he's got a 391,
393, something like that.
Like that was like a runner-up.
You know, that's like a reallybig one, but for the most part,
an average main bear you'relooking at 130 pounds is like
your average bear.
You know, yeah, and uh, we, wego up there more of the, the

(05:33):
getaway, you pull the trigger,you have the hunt, we do the.
You know we got brook trout.
You know the brook trout upthere, yeah, that's awesome
that's like that's like surreal.
If you enjoy fishing, that'sreal raw fishing, that's like as
authentic as it gets, you know.
And uh, the smallmouth fisheryup there is insane.

(05:54):
So, anyway, we go up there.
We can't get enough of it.
I tried.
I'm up to like two or threetimes a year.
I go up there now.
Now I bring my kids with myfamily, we go up there.
It's just, it's awesome.
It's an awesome experience, thewhole entire thing yeah, it's a
beautiful place.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
I've been to maine, um believe, not only once and I
went on um like I think it wasduring november it was during
their deer season, where it waslike deer and bear I think I
went up to uh island falls.
It was only like a couple milesfrom, like, the canada border.
So I think it it took me like10 and a half hours, I think, to

(06:30):
go up there and you know it wasbeautiful country first of all,
I had to get a lot differenthunting than when I was what I
was used to, you know, eitherhunting here, new york state or
something.
So it took a little while tokind of like get everything
figured out, but I ended upleaving, I think, like a day or
two early, but uh, I mean I Istill had a blast.

(06:53):
I saw my first moose.
That was.
That was freaking cool.
They're huge, by the way, butit was.
It was.
It was definitely a, it wasdefinitely experience or
something to remember, man.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, no moose, or we saw like we've been seeing more
and more moose up there.
we've actually been seeing anuptick in whitetail, like a lot
really, actually, yeah, but thisyear we saw quite a few
whitetails and I don't know ifit's because they're in like a
drought situation.
So you know, we were alwaysfishing, so they're next to the
water.
Man, we saw, like we saw, acouple of nice rack bucks.
I was actually kind of shocked,you know.
I was like, wow, there'ssomething like yeah, I was like,
and to see them like from acanoe, like on the water, I'm

(07:33):
like yelling at my other buddies, I'm like, oh, you see them,
you know, like you see them,right, you know, and like you
know, if you see like a littledinker buck or something like
that, you don't see too manyrack bucks.
And we saw some like two prettydecent bucks from like far away
across the lake, like feedingon like lake vegetation, I don't

(07:53):
know if like lily pads orsomething like that.
They were like you know, theywere kind of walking in the
water eating it and I was likewow.
I was like I've never seen that,but it's like super dry.
It's super dry up there rightnow like super, super dry.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
So yeah, we're in a drought northeast is in a
drought, but we're supposed toget some rain friday, so
hopefully that's.
That's uh there that's my bearhe was.
He was a buck 80 and I shot himup in the catskill mountains.
Uh, it was opening day of rifleseason and I saw four legs

(08:27):
going across this ridge directlyabove me and I never shot a
bear.
I've seen plenty of them, but Inever shot one.
And I pulled the trigger and hecame rolling down the hill
right to me and died right nextto me up against a blowdown, and
he did that death moan and Iwas like I was going back for
the rifle, but I was alsoreaching for the 45 because I

(08:48):
was like if he stands up.
I'm like I'm a fairly dangerousman on my own, but man I I don't
know, a pissed off bear is apissed off bear so, but he was
out for the count when I heardhim do that death moan man I.
I snuck around the tree andchecked him out I have been.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
I yeah, now that that's funny, it is intimidating
it is.
But yeah, you know, I've been,I've been doing it I've been
around running around it andeverything like that.
Not too many bears.
Once they get shot, boy, theyrun faster than a white tail.
They want nothing to do with it.
They want nothing to do with it.
They don't like pain.
No way.
Let me tell you something whenyou start shooting at a bear,
that thing um, it's out of there, that thing is gonzo into

(09:27):
another county.
You'll never.
Yeah, ain't like a deer, he'sgonna stop in 400 yards.
That bear is going to whereverhe feels safe.
And if that means in some otherstate that's where he's going,
you know.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, that's, that's the difference in them, you know
yeah, because I actually I Iget it a lot because a lot of
people like um, that I work with, they're not hunters, so they
don't know.
And they're like when you shoota bear, like what if you miss,
like, or what if you hit it bad,do you know?
They're like you mean scary isgoing to come after you.
I'm like no, you know, like Iget all the stories from them.

(09:59):
They're like yo, you're crazy,because I know he's coming up
that tree to get you.
You're just trying to bullshitus.
I was like no man, honestly,they take off, they're gone.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
They want nothing to do with you.
I've been in some wild tracksand the last thing they want to
do is come back at you.
They're trying to do everythingthey can to get away from you.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yep 100%.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
That's just nature, that's just their nature yep, no
100.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
And those, uh.
So those bears that you guyskilled in maine, did you shoot
those with the muzzleloader, oror was it right?

Speaker 2 (10:35):
no, I actually shot mine.
I shot mine with my.
I got a new slug gun fromwinchester, the sxp, this last
year, uh, designated, you know,I I've always I'm an old school
kind of guy brought, was broughtup that way.
I always had an iron sights1100.
That's been my pride and joysince ever.
But I'm growing up now and Igotta like I gotta, because I

(10:56):
always I did that.
I flip-flop between that and themuzzleloader, right, yeah, my
muzzleloader is like a tackdriver, I love it.
But uh, I've been in somesituations where shot,
especially just bear hunting,it's not so much deer, but you
shoot boom, and you, you couldhave got that second shot if you
had a shotgun, you know, yeah,but with the muzzle loader, like

(11:18):
you know, you walled them, youtook the shot that you did and
you just you wish you could justload faster and, like you know,
there's nothing quicker thanjust racking another round or
just pulling the trigger again.
So I it was time for me to growup and I was like I'm gonna buy
myself a designated slug gun,scope, proper optics, the whole

(11:38):
nine.
So I did and uh, uh, found outthat it shoots these the
winchester copper impacts verywell and, uh, I was very pleased
, very pleased, went to therange a couple times.
I mean it responds super well,holds groups and suit group.
I mean a great, a great groupand up there most of yours, you

(11:58):
know, most of your shots are 50,60 yards.
You know that's what they setthe baits at majority of them
majority, they do it.
They do have some stands thatare like 30 or 15.
You know 20.
You know that's what they setthe baits at.
Majority of them, majority,they do it.
They do have some stands thatare like 30 or 15.
You know 20.
You know yards, but for themost part, majority of them are
gun hunter.
You know gun sets, you know so,uh, wasn't a big deal for me,
but man, that, uh, I couldn't beprouder.

(12:19):
Man, that gun, I mean I shot agun.
I shot a bear this pastdecember with the gun with the,
the horned east.
That's what I was shootingbeforehand.
And uh, I wasn't getting likegreat consistency but I, uh, I
shot a bear in it.
Oh, it walloped him and I waslike, yeah, man, I mean that did
the job right.
But then over the summer monthsI was like gotta change my ammo
.
I need something a little bitmore consistent.

(12:40):
And you know, um, uh, if you're, if I don't care what kind of
outdoorsman you are, but I tryto be as proficient as possible,
right, yeah?
of course, the muzzleloader.
You get the same thing.
You do the same thing over andover again.
You get the arrows.
It's the same thing over andover again.
I don't like to experiment.
I like to know what works.
You know, and that's just who Iam know.

(13:01):
And uh, I was like when youknow you're just dropping
hundreds of dollars when youstart buying slugs, you know
like they're sad.
Oh yeah, you're just like.
So I was like I'm just like fullin, I'm like dude, just ring me
up.
Whatever it is, it is, justgive me them.
And the winchesters happen tobe, you know, there, and my gun
responded very well to them.

(13:21):
Very cliche winchester shotgun,winchester ammo.
I don't know why I didn't do itfrom the beginning, but anyway,
shot great.
I shoot great, everythingshoots great.
Bear comes in.
I mean, I don't know if youguys saw the video, man, but I
wiped the floor with that thing.
I couldn't believe how wellthat bullet just like walloped
that thing.
I mean like walloped it.

(13:42):
I was like, wow, I was very,very impressed.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
It was definitely.
I would say that that was likeone of the best videos I've seen
of somebody shooting a bear.
I was like holy shit, you know.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
I mean listen, I know guys that head shoot them.
I know guys that do whatever.
But you know, just in thatmoment, and I just like you know
, you put the crosshairs, likeyou know, right up behind the
shoulder.
I had like a little quarter andtwo, but like no big deal, it
wasn't the end of the world.
I mean I touched that thing off, that bear just fumbled right
to the ground.
I mean I was like holy crap youknow, it's like a shot yeah,

(14:24):
well, it was great.
It was great.
It was the first time like Ithink it was the first time ever
up there.
I usually use the odd six andwhat happens is the odd six is
moving at like a thousand feetmore per second right and the
odd six does, does devastation.
I love the odd six 180 greenwinchester, you know sxps out of
the, uh, winchester supremes,excuse me, supremes.

(14:46):
Yeah, out of the odd six that Ihad.
I'm telling you, that thingblistered him, but you know, but
because my father startedcoming up with me, obviously I'm
like dude, you use your rifle,I'm gonna use my gun, that's
like how it goes and he shot metoo, so it was awesome.
It was a good time.
Yeah, everything worked outwell nice, that's awesome man.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
I know because real, real quick I'm gonna go back for
um touch on the slut on theslug subject, but um, because I
too had problems with thehornies not taking anything away
from them.
I know people who shoot themand their guns are like dead on,
but I, because I shoot um amossberg 930 and semi-automatic

(15:32):
and the same thing.
It was the consistency.
Wasn't there one time, I'd belike almost bullseye.
The next time it wasn't there,you know, but I mean it's just
like no I had.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
I had the same thing is like thing you took five
shells out of a box.
Two of them were dead ringers,the other three were like wild
cards and I could not figure itout.
I was just checking the scope.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
I'm like, watch me, am I flinching?
Is the gun moving, what'shappening?
But eventually I startedshooting.
Am I flinching?
Is that is like the gun moving,like, what like what's
happening, you know like.
But eventually I startedshooting um the federal.
I forget what the hell it is.
I started shooting them lastyear and they did really well,
but I know my gun shoot anything.
Winchester and federal shootsdead on nuts, are they?

(16:21):
high shock federal high shock.
No, no, they're not high shock.
I gotta, I gotta, see what theyare.
I'll send the picture to you.
Yeah, see the difference.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Now here's the difference that I thought that
was a little bit different.
That definitely made adifference in the impact of the
animal.
Was that the regular?
The hornities that I wasshooting were 250 or 260 grain
right?
so that levels out to about afive-eighths ounce, you know,
like regular slug or rifle slug,if you're familiar with grain

(16:50):
stances.
Okay, somewhere's right inthere the copper impacts at four
to twenty gauge or threequarter ounce, right.
So now you're definitely got aheavier, heavier, heavier bullet
moving about the same amount.
So you just got a lot moreenergy behind it, you know,
there's just a lot more, youknow.
And then, uh, I mean it wasvery evident.

(17:11):
I mean I shot the.
I shot the one in this pastdecember with the hornady and,
like you know, the bear didn'tgo 50 yards.
But I mean, like I, I, you knowthat bear was like hurting, you
know, and I was like, wow, okay, this will do it, you know.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Now, you have copper impacts.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
The way that copper impact I mean, it blew clean
through that thing I was likeholy jesus, you know I was like
yeah, I was.
I was very impressed, veryimpressed.
My buddy, the guy sitting onbecause you know we were coming
out, my buddy, you know heshoots a 45, 70 and he was like
well, that's how they are rightthere.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Yeah, I just made I just made barrel loads.
Those are one of the ftx 325sand they're uh compressed loads,
the the powders right up tohere in them, and uh so I loaded
them with 45 grains of imr 4198.
So that's pretty good, that'sflying 20, that's flying 2100100

(18:04):
feet per second, and I justbought two brand new boxes of
federal hammer downs in 300green hollow point I'm going to.
I'm going to check those out.
I made these myself.
I ran and got two boxes tonightand tomorrow.
I'm just going to see what Ithink my hand loads are going to
be the best.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Squatch, I don't doubt your hand loads at all,
not for a second.
My buddy Scott, he, he buys the, the Buffalo board, like
they're like four fifties orfour nineties or something like
that.
He shot the biggest Baron camp.
Listen, I'm telling you deadass, like exactly how it goes.
This thing gave him a threequarter hard, like the hard

(18:47):
threequarter in a way, at like50, 60 yards.
He drove that bullet.
That bullet went from in frontof that hind quarter all the way
forward.
The gentlemen, when they dressthey don't feel dressed.
They're animals there.
They always dress them at thelodge or whatever.
They pull it out with the thing.
He's in shock.
He looks at me and he's likedude, I killed a giant.

(19:07):
Now, at the time, none of ushad killed a bear more than 300
pounds in our lives, right?
So I was like, yeah, heck, yes,dude, like this is awesome, you
know, and uh, you know, I'mback at the lodge, I'll be
honest.
But I was pie-eyed, I waspiling, just pile driving beers
because I was like I was taggedout and, like everybody's, just
killing them.
So this is a great time, rightso I was just like I'm living,
right, I'm living like my bestfriend, my best friend just

(19:30):
killed like a giant, like agiant, right.
So I'm like, and then the thenthe owner of the outfitter texts
me and he's like it's a giantand I'm like, all right, I don't
have any more times.
I gotta hear it.
I was like I got enough beers.
I'm like I I'm ready, bringthis thing in.
When they dressed it, one ofthe younger guys there, the
newer guys, he was inside thecavity because they dress them

(19:53):
hanging.
The guy was like it was theclosest to the Revenant that you
can come up with the modern day.
He's inside trying to get itand, like this like half dollar
size piece of lead falls out ofit and it was that buffalo boar.
We still have it to this day.
It's incredible, and I meanjust absolutely incredible how
much penetration, the energy,how much they can take.

(20:15):
You know yeah it's just, it'sinsane dude, it's, it's
literally it's.
It's not even fathomable thatyou and I that thing would go
through like 10 of us in a row,somehow it only goes through
half of him.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
You know my father always hunted with the 45 70 I'm
.
I always had my 35 marlin.
I killed more deer than I couldtell you about with with that
and uh, it was my 50th birthdaylast january.
So my wife's like what do doyou want?
And I'm like, well, I think Iwant to go into the 45, 70 world

(20:47):
.
So I bought a.
She bought me a brand new, uhHenry, uh lever action, wow.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
I'm a Marlin.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
I love Marlin, I'm a Marlin man, but the newer
Marlins just aren't the JimMarlins of the past and I looked
at the way tory was builtcompared to everything else and
I was like you know what I'm?
It breaks my heart to get offthe marlin wagon, but when I
shot that, henry, I'll tell youwhat it's built really nice

(21:15):
congratulations.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
That's a heck of a rifle man, heck yeah yeah, man,
it's, it's.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
I shot it at the range and I was like I put a box
of bullets through it and theywere 300 grain remington.
So they were, they're toneddown.
They're not like these thingsare.
But the only thing I can tellyou, if you shot a three and a
half inch magnum 12 gauge, maybeput six or seven rounds or that
, it's like shooting that thing,it's, it's a tank.
When I made these rounds, Imade these rounds originally for

(21:41):
my father's gun and I wouldn'tput I wouldn't even let him put
his head near the gun.
First we strapped it down tolike the lead sled.
I hooked a string to it.
He's like what are you afraidof?
I'm like dad, I could blow youreffing head off with this
freaking load that's in herelike I don't know I don't want
to hurt you.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
I want to make sure it's all right first you know,
if my, if my buddy ever listensto this I don't mean to cut you
off he shot the one bear at onetime and it looked like a
chicken cutlet was hanging offhis face right and I was like
dude, I was like what happened?
And like he ate it, right, soit happens.
Right, so like we make a jokeof it.

(22:18):
Right, almost like knocks himout.
He gets it the whole nine, notthis year.
Last year he gets it the wholenine lat, not this year.
Last year he was on stand forlike a hot 20 minutes right, and
like a bear with three legs,like a respectable bear, like
150, 160 pound bear, comeswalking in scott.
Hey, he doesn't even know ithas three legs at this time.
I just want to let you knowthis, okay, so this thing comes

(22:40):
like walking in and he's likenot even dressed.
He's like eddie, I just like satdown, it was cooling off.
Like he's like not even dressed.
He's like Eddie, I just likesat down, it was cooling off.
Like he had like another sixhours to go in the stand and
like the bear comes in.
And I didn't get a picture of adead bear, I didn't get a
notification on my phone,nothing in the group chat.
He just sent me a picture ofanother half moon right next to
like the old one, you know, andI was like no way you got

(23:06):
another one.
He's like it's dead, it's dead,it's dead at the barrel.
I got him and I was like no waycome to find out that one only
had three legs, you know.
It was just like one of thosethings.
That's a crazy story yeah, ah,the guy only ever shoots
unicorns.
Dude, nothing but unicorns,nothing.
It's just like the biggest one,the wildest one, the one that
they can't get on camera,something, something.
The 45-70 is like a howitzerdude it doesn't get nothing.

(23:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yeah, I told my dad.
I said this thing's not a rifleanymore, it's considered
artillery.
And he said yes, yes, youforgot where I came from.
He says I was in artillery 155howitzers when I shot all day.
I said, yeah, I know, that'swhy you're effing deaf too, bud.
You know it's a scare when youstart compressing powder in a

(23:53):
shell and they tell you seethese cases, you have to mill
10,000 off the neck of the caseand shorten them because the FTX
is so long.
They don't want them bumpinginto each other in a tubular mag
.
Plus, they discovered that 45seventies case pressure can be
pushed way beyond factory whatthey thought was okay.
So when you do that, you'recompressing that.

(24:16):
They call them a compressedload.
So you actually, as you shovedthat bullet down inside of there
in the press, you hear it go inthe powder and you're like, oh
God, there's no air in between.
That you know.
and I told my father, I I saidlisten, I said this will take
down a freaking tyrannosaurusrex.
So whatever you hit, make sureyou hit it from like one end to

(24:37):
the other and make sure what'sbeyond it, because it'll
probably take a tree downafterwards probably flip a car
over.
I'm like you're insane with thepower they make.
But listen, I don't want toscrew around.
I I don't like animalssuffering, I don't like chasing
shit.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
I want it dead, like right there, but dead and well,
that's see, that's, that's partof it, right?
So this past week, this pastweek, when I was up there, right
, I got my son with me.
It's the first day of the hunt,he's six years old, he's a
trooper, right, kid, sat throughthe rain, sat through
everything.
Prime time comes and you hearthat, right, and it just like

(25:15):
echoes through the valley.
Now, up in Maine, everybody hasto be, it's like land
management through, like thepaper companies, whatever, but
it's got to be like a mile, oreveryone's got to be like three
quarters of a mile.
It's the way.
The bait sites need to be apartfrom each other, right?
So the outfitter, likeeveryone's, everyone's within,
like earshot of each other, oneway or the other, right?
Well, anyway, I'm sitting thereand I hear that shot and like

(25:36):
my son perks up, like the ears,like the whole nine, he's like
what was that?
And I was like uncle scott justrolled one for sure you know, I
was like ain't nothing elselike that.
Ain't nothing Right.
And then like the phone, thegroup, the group chat just blows
up and he's like dead at thebarrel.
And I was like yes, sir, like,yes sir, like that's the first.
That was the first one of thetrip, you know.

(25:57):
You know the first day justlike hammered it down.
I'm like good for you, kid know.
And he had his son with him,which was really awesome.
And then an hour later he endedup.
He heard us shot, you know.
He heard us like shoot.
And uh, he texted me.
He's like he's like, he's likehe's like, is it dead?
And then, yeah, I don't know ifit was the outfitter or one of
the other guys in the group hadlike the cell cam and just sent

(26:18):
the cell cam picture of the bearjust laying right in front of
the barrel.
You know, and I.
And.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
I was like yeah, it's cool.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
It's great group of guys, Great click man.
It's awesome.
Every year, every year, it justseems to get better.
I don't know why, but it does.
It's an awesome, awesome place.
I love it up there.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
I think that says a lot too, because you know you've
got yourself a good outfitterthat produces for you that you
can trust.
You've gone back year afteryear.
You've guys got that solidfriendship and now you're
bringing in the youngergeneration to it and building
memories with your kids, whichis, you know, I mean, yeah, it's
great, you shoot an animal andyou harvest the meat and you

(26:57):
enjoy that between each otherand stuff, and you know it's a
good memory.
But those memories with yourkids and stuff like that I mean
all the memories, everythingback, my grandfather, my father,
just my, you know, like goodfriends, my cousins and stuff
like that.
It's like you never feel likeyou.
You might not remember the exactyear, but you remembered at the
time you had with that personyou'd be like, oh yeah, remember

(27:21):
we went this way and that wayand you know it's the truth it's
it's priceless, bro, when you,when you have those experiences,
you're taking, you're doingright by your children, you're
showing them, you know therespect of taking an animal's
life and you're you're goingthrough the steps and everything
.
And that was how I was taughtit was.
It was wasn't about I mean, Iwas a killer, don't get, I was a

(27:43):
killer.
But I learned as I got older.
You know all those values thatwere taught.
You were like, okay, you know,this is more what it's about
right now.
I mean, saturday is opening dayof bear up here in New York, so
I don't care, I just want to getout, walk around the ridges,
take my time, relax.
I don't want to think aboutthis job, that job.

(28:06):
I don't want to think aboutanything.
I just want to get back, getback into the woods, relax,
maybe shoot a bear.
That'd be cool and have fun andthat's it.
And it's so important.
We need to keep this going andteach kids you know what's right
, how to do this stuff the rightway, and we can't let it die
out, because if you know, ifthat dies out, then there's none

(28:27):
of this, there's no podcast,there's none of this like sacred
campfire stuff.
And we're sitting on talkinglike about the, you know, like
if we were standing around the,the, uh, the hanging post there
with you know our, our prizeshanging from the, the, the pole
there, like you know, you get abig buck and everybody's
standing around.
Those days are gone.
Everything's so much socialmedia and everything now, social

(28:48):
media and everything now.
But when you can introduce achild to that, you get them out,
there, you're, they're helpingyou drag it and clean it.
That's stuff, man, they neverforget, they never forget.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, that's what it's all about man yeah yeah,
yeah, I love it.
I don't know, I love, I loveevery inch of it.
You know it's, it's what it is.
You know, I love every inch ofit.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Yeah, no, I can't wait to get my, you know, my son
, right now he's four and a half, he'll be five soon.
I'm dying.
I tell Squatch all the time I'mlike man, like I can't wait
till we can take him out with us.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
You know, like you guys want to know a real thing,
you guys want to hear a funnyone.
A buddy of mine, the same upthere, right, he's got now they
do main new hampshire, right,it's right there on the
threshold, right on the stateline.
So I'm gonna link up with mybuddy up there and I'm gonna
hunt in new hampshire.
Well, I have like an infant.
I have a second child infant athome right now.

(29:39):
I just got back, you know, thefirst week of the last week of
august.
So new hampshire, you're notallowed to bait or hunt till the
season opens, which isSeptember 1st.
Ok, ok.
So I'm like roped in the goingand my wife's like well, you're
taking one of them if you'regoing.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
Right, I just want to let you know.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Right, this is, this is, this is dead ass.
True story, right.
So my son is four Right now.
I've exposed my son to thehunting stuff, like full on,
right.
He has held the deer's leg atlike three while I gutted it the
whole night.
I mean he like you know, comeon, let's go, you know he's in
it, whatever.

(30:19):
So we set up on the bait.
I bring him up to New Hampshire, we're at my bud's camp.
We got on the bait the firstday we leave at prime time,
right.
So it's unfortunate.
Again he's four, right, yeah so,but there's like three or four
bears coming and uh, I was likehe's like what do you mean?
You had to leave.
I was like we weren't gonnamake it right.
So I was like we gotta go in.
So learning curve, having a kidfirst time, hunting with the

(30:42):
kid, like you know, like afull-on setting, like
out-of-state setting.
I was like, yeah, we're notgonna, we're not gonna make six
hours in the tree stand, we'rejust not gonna, right.
So the next day, on day two, wego in at like 4 30, which is
like getting tight to likemovement time, you know.
And uh, and my bud you know, mybuddy tony tells my kid and he

(31:06):
was like, listen, you got to sitthere.
And he was like I don't know ifI can.
And then I brought the tabletand everything else.
I mean I'm trying to entertaina four year old Right.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
I'm going to do the best I can.
He's got his earmuffs on andeverything else.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Right, I'm trying.
So, anyway, somehow the dealgoes down, like in the local,
like you know, like the bigstore down in town they have,
like this, you know, the toy gun, but it's like a bolt action.
It's got the noise, it's goteverything right.
So he makes the deal, he goesif you be quiet and your dad

(31:38):
shoots the bear, I'll buy youthe gun.
But you got to sit there and bequiet, right, and stay there.
You got to stay there, right,dude?
I have this on video.
It's on video, it's on.
It's on.
It's on one of my, it's on myone of my platforms or some some
nature.
Right, he's with me, dude, I'mnot even kidding you.
The second day, six, 30, I seethe piece of black coming down

(32:00):
the side bear turns broadside.
I don't even think twice, man.
I wiped the floor with, likethis like 80 pound bear, right,
I shoot him.
Right, I shoot the bear.
Right, I'm like god, a newhampshire bear.
I'm thrilled I shoot.
He takes the earmuffs off,looks at me.
He's like did you get him?
I was like yeah.
He's like do I get the gun now?
I'm like, yeah, dude, you'regonna get the gun now.

(32:22):
You know, and it was all aboutlike a deal, but anyway we had
the the time of like pulling outthe bear the whole nine and my
bud's like why didn't you wait?
And I was like do youunderstand what it's like to
hunt with like a four year old?
I was like I took the firstbear that walked in.
I was like I don't even care,like I didn't even care, I
didn't even care, I like walkedright in there.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
I was like grab that sucker and walk right out, like
with it, I like put underneathmy arm and walked out.
I was like I didn't care, I waslike I got one.
I was like I got one, you know.
I know what you're talkingabout because the very first
time I took my daughter out, itwas on our farm upstate, and I
took her.
We had a double man stand, samething.
I was like, all right, I'm likeI got.
I was like we're gonna sit, sitfor a while.
I was like I got snacks, I gotthe tablet, like we're golden,
right, right, so we're sittingthere.
I get her in there.
She's just playing on hertablet, daddy, anything.

(33:14):
Yet I'm like, no, nothing, allright, I want a snack, I want a
juice, I want you know.
All right, she went throughprobably the snacks.
It seemed like 20 minutes,right, and I thought I had
enough to last us.
Like the whole time.
She's like, daddy, I'm bored,like do we see anything?
Yet I'm like, no, like you.
Like in the back of my mind,I'm just.

(33:34):
I'm like I'm literally praying,like just let a doe walk out,
just let a doe walk out, so Icould just shoot, shoot
something.
While she's here.
She'll get to experience it,and that's all I'm asking for.
Yep, so I look over and I, Istart seeing.
I started seeing some uh, Ithink it was like a group of
four or five does.
They were coming into our fieldand I was like all right, like

(33:58):
they're coming, I don't see him,I don't see him.
So she kept saying it loud.
I'm like hey, like you gottawhisper, like you know you know,
like yeah, yeah, relax.
So they knew something was up,because they kind of heard it.
But they knew something was up,so so they kind of like doubled
back a little bit.
She's like daddy, I'm done, Iwant to leave I'm like ah, so

(34:21):
like we have like, um, you know,like a side by side up there.
So so I have to call my wife.
I'm like, hey, like she wantsshe wants to go.
Like can you come pick her up?
Like I'm, I'm gonna stay.
You know, like can you comepick her up?
She's like all right, so shepicks her up.
I'm watching them leave asthey're leaving.
I'm watching the deer startfunneling in.

(34:43):
I was like you gotta beshitting me like I wish I had
that on video.
I'm like you, you got to bekidding me.
And they were literally likeright behind, the side by side
almost, and they come out to thefield and they're just watching
them leave.
And then they come out andthey're standing right
underneath me.
I got like four or five doesand I'm just like unbelievable,
it's just how it goes man.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
It's just how it goes .
It's tough.
It's tough.
You know, I I will say this myson was an absolute trooper.
It was, we had thunderstorms,we had whatever else.
The kids sat it out and I waslike I can't, I wouldn't even, I
wouldn't even feel right to askhim to sit there.
Like another night I waspraying because my dad was in
camp.
I had my buddy in camp.
You know, I had other guys.
I was like if somebody justshoots one, I was like buddy

(35:28):
would camp.
You know, I had other guys.
I was like if somebody justshoots one, I was like then I
can like he doesn't have to likecome again because like he sat,
he sat through like some likehammering rain man and I had I
had like the rain gear on him.
I bought him a poncho, you know, and I, uh, I, I, I hope one
day he understands like howproud I was of him, because I
was like I sat there and I waslike he didn't say a peep,

(35:48):
didn't say a word.
He just like how proud I was ofhim, cause I was like I sat
there and I was like he didn'tsay a peep, didn't say a word.
He just like sat there and thenhe kept going he's like the
bear's going to come soon and Iwas like, yeah, it's going to
come soon, right?
He, just like I was just likehe was locked in, kid was locked
in and I couldn't have been anyprouder.
Yeah, hunt was awesome.
Everything was great.
You know, it was good.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yeah, he's definitely going to remember it for
probably for the rest of hislife.
Whoa, this is the cool thing.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
This is the cool thing.
So we get back to the lodge.
Right, because he made the joke, because we saw another bear
prior.
Right, that's a story in itself.
We saw another bear prior.
Anyway, he was like can I shootthat one?
And I was like no, dude, Ican't, I can't let you shoot
another bear Like you can'tshoot a bear.
Right, I mean he was like readyto jump on the gun and just
like hammer one Right.

(36:36):
And uh, and I was like man, Iwas like this kid really wants
to go.
So I get back to the lodge,we're shooting the jazz.
And he's like, hey, uh, he canshoot one in New Hampshirepshire
there's no age limit like youcan just get a, just get like a.
You know, you can buy like ayouth license for him.
There's no such thing as likeum, like an education or
anything.
And uh, and I was like, oh, Iwas like, oh, all right, so now

(37:00):
I'm in the process currently,right now, uh, his birthday's in
november.
I'm in the process by myself.
And uh, you know we shoot BBguns and stuff like that, and
he's a left-handed shooter.
So I got him, I got him, uh,it's in, it's in the route, but
a 20 gauge single shot, you know, put a scope on it and some
slugs and stuff.
And uh, I'm hoping that thisthing, uh, it's pretty accurate

(37:21):
out to 60 yards.
That's my, it's my hopes, youknow.
But I'm going to get them inthis 20 gauge and that's going
to be his gun and I think we'regoing to do that.
Next year, I think he'll beseven years old and he's totally
competent.
Competent at shooting, I'm, youknow, shooting the big guns he
hasn't done yet.
But let me tell you, with theone seven, sevens and the 22s
and all that other jazz, likethere's a small stuff, he's

(37:42):
quick, it is quick.
I like like scary quick, Idon't know.
I like to say he got it for me,but I think he watches too many
of them, damn games, you know,cause he's like really good at
it and he's like really good atit and I was like wow.
I was like you're fast man,really fast.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
I hear you.
Are you going to take them outfor?
Are you going out for Jerseybear this year or no?

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Oh, absolutely that's .
That's that's that's.
That's ingrained in my skullfor forever.
I think that's that's just whoI am.
But yeah, no, I I was didn't doso much today, but I've been
been on the trial.
I'm trying to drag my feet on,like you know, getting involved
with theing the bears already.

(38:32):
I'm just trying to find them.
What I'm trying to do right nowis locate them and then go from
there and do what I got to do,but I will be fully involved.
Bear hunting New Jersey all inOctober, december Time's already
in at work.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
I'm ready to go.
You know, yeah, me too.
I just put it in a couple ofweeks ago.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah, we you know, there's a group of us.
We always do the same thing.
It's four or five of us.
You know, my brother, mybrother, it's a big thing for my
brother.
They take a week off of work.
It really is.
He did it last year.
I set them all up, you know,being 100 yards from the bait,
it seemed like it was like thisbarbaric thing and I still think
it sucks.
Don't get me wrong, it totallysucks.
But it worked out in a waywhere, like, if you could

(39:16):
pattern the bear like it, it'sactually pretty effective for
shooting.
Like you know.
Consistency, you know, insteadof like waiting for the bear to
come in and like he's all likejittery, kind of like a deer on
a bait pile, right same thing.
Uh, you know, two years in arow, my brother shot him, you
know.
Like, you know, like you know,100 yards from the bait, just

(39:37):
like sitting there with themwalking down in, like just being
a bear, just letting them walkthrough the woods, you know.
And, uh, you know, um,everybody's actually doing it's
actually working out better.
I don't know if I should havetold them or not, but it's
what's working out better we'redoing.
We're doing a hell of a lotbetter with it.
You know, like actually likeabiding by the law.

(39:58):
You're sitting there and you'relike if we could just find
where he walks in at I was likeit's a sure bet.
I mean, like they only getweird when they get next to the
barrel, you know, and like that100-yard bark.
To be honest with you I don'tknow if I'm letting the secret
out of the bag, but like theyusually hang up right out like
100 yards.
You know, yeah, if you everbaited them, if you ever baited

(40:19):
them, you'll be like, oh man,like he doesn't come in.
But if you start surrounding thearea and you start pushing your
cameras out like wider, widerand wider and wider, right, yeah
, and you start pushing yourcameras out like wider, wider
and wider and wider, right, yeah, and you come around the corner
when they come out, you know,and you get out and around, like
you know all the little cornersthere, you start to find out
that the bear was there like anhour before dark.
He just didn't come into thebait till dark, you know, and he

(40:40):
was right there.
He was there right there theentire time.
He was just pacing it out.
You know, he'll lay there,he'll scratch his back.
He's got nothing but time.
He knows it's there, he smellsthat it's there and it's there
and, uh, we've been pretty,pretty successful at making it
work.
It's, it's been, it's not that Imean, instead of like one
camera, one barrel, bunch ofstuff in the barrel and, like

(41:03):
you, just like you know, counton that.
Uh, you know it takes fivecameras, you know that's
realistically where it comesfrom and just a bunch of
movement, you know.
And eventually you start toreally narrow in on how it,
because sometimes they don't,they don't walk, they walk in
one way and they leave another.
They don't and they don'treverse that.
You know that they have a, theyhave a routine.

(41:24):
They got like a path, they gota place where they want to be,
place where they're coming from,you know.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah, no, I've.
I've seen them literally justcircle like the bait sites for
almost, like you said, for hours.
I watched them.
Just you could see them goingback and forth.
He'll go down to the swamp.
We'll come back Then he'll.
He'll do a loop and you see himsniffing and then he'll like,

(41:50):
just you could tell he's he'srelaxed, he's just chilling and
you're like yeah, like damn manyou know, yeah, well that's what
I?

Speaker 2 (41:55):
how does he know?
Yeah, no, they're, they're,they're so smart, so so smart,
but uh, it's beyond intelligent,super intelligent animals, and
I mean they live longer thanmost deer, you know.
So you gotta think about, like,how this show, and I,
understandably, we can onlyshoot them for, like you know,
two percent.
Gotta think about, like howit's just, and I, understandably
, we can only shoot them for,like you know, two percent of,
like the time that we can shoota whitetail in the state, you
know, in the state of new jerseyat least.

(42:15):
But uh, respectfully, you know,I got a lot of cars and
everything else.
It takes them a long as big asthey did, and, like you know,
they're getting, they get, theyget big man, they get big
because they're smart.
That's bottom line, that's whatit is, oh well listen, 100,
100%.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
They, you know, listen, they know the game
better than we do sometimes.
You know like you always trysomething different and they
just like you're like damn Cause, like I actually I was showing
squash I was getting these bearsconstantly.
I had one that was like aroundlike the 350 mark, the other one
, we figured, was probablyaround like five, and I had like

(42:57):
two different mothers with cubsand now like all of a sudden
they just like gone.
Haven't seen them in weeks.
So I'm like where the hell didthey go?
You know like I was gettingthem like consistently all the
time.
I'm'm like where the hell didthey go?

Speaker 2 (43:12):
you know like I was getting them like consistently
all the time like where the helldid they go?
It's another thing you neverbeat, you'll never beat.
Natural beat, sorry, the acorns.
The acorns are are falling andI'm feeling that right now
myself, I'm uh, I've been, I'vebeen tying up the boots and
taking it to the extra level.
I I'm really trying doingeverything I can right now not
to put anything on the ground.

(43:33):
I just don't want to do thatyet because it just consumes my
life.
I got a fishing business.
I'm like a pack on.
I am pretty busy.
I got kids with sports.
I got a little one at home.
I just don't have that, andonce I start doing that, I'm
shaving time off of sleepbecause I do it in the dark.
You, I just don't have that,and once I start doing that, I'm
shaving time off of sleepbecause I do it in the dark.
You know I don't have time todo it any other time, you know.

(43:53):
So I end up, I end up, I end up.
Like you know, it's easier forme to wake up at 3am and run
through the woods than it is forme to do it at 10 o'clock when
I'm dead tired, you know.
So, I start doing some likepre-dawn craziness and I do that
and that's a routine thing thatI do.
You know, people call me crazy,call me whatever, but that's
the time that I get to go do it,so that's what I do, you know

(44:15):
hey, frank we gotta go.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
I so I was.
I've been doing some researchif you see me looking down on ed
and where he went and, uh, thisis really doable for the hunts
that he's going on.
Now, Ed, let me ask you there'sa two-state combination over
bait seven days of hunting,seven nights of lodging, harvest
, two bears, one in Maine, onein New Hampshire, same lodge on

(44:41):
the trip.
Have you done that?

Speaker 2 (44:44):
I have not done that yet.
No, that looks pretty cool, man.
No, that's a.
You know what they always pushme to do?
That Just that, it just it's.
I don't know.
We always lock in for thatfirst week of Maine.
It's always I don't know.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
It just works out for everybody you know, but like
the three-day hunt and thefive-day hunt, it's all freaking
reasonable.
Frank, we should look into thisman, you and I.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Let's do it.
I mean dude, I'm telling you wewould have a freaking blast.
Yes, Send me that when you geta chance so I can look at it.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Yeah, I will, man, I will.
In fact I'll send it right nowIf we can help you.
If we do decide to book, I meanwe'll definitely mention we saw
it through you and if itreflects on you, ed, I mean
that'll hopefully help you sometoo.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Hey, you'll see me there.
That's what's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Holy shit.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
I'm good, I'm telling you dude, I'm telling you.
I'm good.
For two or three times a yearI'm already there, you know.
I can go up there with myfamily now, you know.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
I'll be, like Ed, just give me your shoulder for a
second.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
That's it Hold still yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
You shoot that bear out of that freaking channel.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Yeah, that's.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
That's right, you're not kidding dude it would be
cool.
I came on the podcast.
You guys are stealing All myfucking spots.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
No more Podcasts for Ed everybody's.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Out now, you know?
Yeah, I saw.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Your Instagram and I was looking and I saw the sign.
So you know, you guys werechatting and I'm listening at
the same time, but I was like Iwant to check that place out and
I was like you know, sometimesprices are like god crazy way
out, but that that place looksreally reasonable for, and being
that you have very good successthere and you've been going
back, I mean that says a lot.

(46:46):
You know it's, it's, that'scool.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yep, yeah no, you're not gonna find jersey size bears
there.
You're not gonna find the five,six hundred pounds.
Hell dude, if you shoot a 300pounder up there, that's a huge
bear up there, that's a big bearup there.
You know, you gotta rememberthose.
Their bear season is like 50days a year between trapping and
hunting and everything else,right, right.

(47:08):
And then during their deerseason, like you know, they get
a lot of time to pull thetrigger and, like you know, make
it happen there for them.
You know, and you know theirbears then four months of the
year, five months of the year.
So you know you're looking at atotally different animal 140
pound bear up there is like fouryears old, three, four years
old 140 pound bear here injersey's 18 months old.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
You know, it's a totally, it's a totally
different animal.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
It really is.
It truly is and uh and uh.
You know that's just biologyand you know a lot of people are
like man, I can't believe youshot a 160.
I want to be honest with you.
The 160 something I shot is thebiggest one I shot this year,
is the biggest one I ever shotup there, right it's not that
and it's because I'm a firstcome, first serve guy man.
I'm there for the three-day huntand I'm just as happy with 100

(47:54):
pounder.
If I shot 160 pounder, you know, if a 250 walked in like,
that's great, you know that'sgreat.
But I'm gonna be honest withyou.
I'm gonna shoot a more thanlikely going to shoot a 250 plus
pound animal in october here.
You know, yeah, pretty muchpretty much it within, uh, a
couple, a golf shot and a couplehops from my house.

(48:15):
You know like it's, it's notfar at all now I get now are you
?
Are you hunting state?

Speaker 1 (48:21):
land?
Are you hunting state land?

Speaker 2 (48:25):
a lot of what I do is state land.
Yeah, almost I'm like 99 stateland.
Okay, yeah, everything I do,yeah now are you?

Speaker 1 (48:35):
just?
No, I was gonna say like now,do you like pre-hang your sets
or like, are you like a saddleguy, like, what kind of, uh,
like, what kind of hunting doyou usually do on state land?

Speaker 2 (48:50):
so I, I got into the saddle hunting, um the hype, but
it wasn't hard for me to getinto.
Uh, I used to cut trees, youknow, as a, as a younger man.
So I was, uh, you know itwasn't hard for me to get into
it.
Uh, you know, piecing ittogether, buying the stuff, um,
you know it's a tool.
You know that's how I, I Iobserve it.

(49:11):
You know, um a couple of myfriends that we've been doing it
for a while now, like hardcore.
We've almost reverted back tolike, like you know, lock-ons,
because it was like, why am Ihunting out of a saddle in the
same tree over and over again?
I could just put a lock on hereyou know, like it's just like
it's a waste of your time.
You know, saddle has its purpose, everything has its purpose.

(49:33):
You know, uh, it's a tool.
You have to just understandit's.
It's an expensive tool, youknow but uh, uh.
I, you know, I grew up huntingon a milk crate which was free,
you know you know like you justsat at the base of a tree with a
milk crate and I had probablyjust as many encounters that I
did then.
Do I capitalize better now?

(49:56):
Yeah, as as a young kid Ididn't have that, but I could
definitely tell you most ofNorth Jersey.
If you found a black milk crate, it's mine, I can promise you.
You know they're all over thewoods.
I and I'm pretty pretty goodwith recollection I'm like, yeah
, that one's mine, you know.
like for sure, that one was mineyou know, you know, I hate to
tell you that but that's thetruth that, you know, I, I did
that.
It wasn't hard for me to.

(50:17):
You know, do that.
You know that's that'ssomething to put a cushion on a
milk crate, and that was the endof it.
That's where I, that's how Istarted.
And then, uh, I was, I wasafraid of heights.
And then, when I got into treework, uh, it was to make more
money, essentially.
And, uh, it's, either, you know, climb the tree, don't fall, or
you're going to die.
You know, that's that's how Ikind of looked at it.
I was a young, young gun.

(50:43):
You know, I was 20 years old atthe time, and than I was when I
was a little kid, you know, Iwas a teenager, and then, uh,
didn't bother me at all.
And then, when I got into thesaddle hunting, it was very easy
, you know, it was just like allright, we're just going to do
it like this and that's that.
You know, shoot, climb a tree.
I could, I could do whatever.

(51:16):
You know, I into that and I'm,you know, pretty tethered, like
the like, if you want to call itlike, uh, first era tethered.
You know, original platform,original phantom saddle.
Like you know, I had my own likelines that I I made myself, you
know, before that I had anarborist saddle before you know
I, I did that because I wasfamiliar with that and I knew

(51:39):
that I could do it with that.
You know, because it's justwhat I trusted, you know, it's
just you know, and I startedwith that.
But I'm uh, you know I, it'sjust you know, and I started
with that.
But I'm uh, you know I I deerhunt quite a bit, you know I do.
I make my time for it.
Yeah, I definitely love thedeer hunt, but, uh, I just bear,
I I bear hunt between deerseasons, that's if that makes

(51:59):
any sense.
I don't know how.
You know that's what I do justin New Jersey.
We can shoot, we can shoot them.
You know, you can pursue themfor six months, don't get me
wrong.
You have your times and stufflike that.
But you get into these bigchunks of land.
I'm in northern Morris County,sussex County area, and there's

(52:23):
big, big chunks of public landthat I'm telling you that, like
nobody's walking in them, likenobody, like very few, you know,
and there's a bunch of them.
It goes from Wildcat toBerkshire Valley to, you know,
weldon Brook, you know theRockway, all of them they're all
within a couple of miles.

(52:44):
If not, they touch each otherone way or the other.
And, man, i'm'm telling you,you can go a long ways and just
not see somebody.
Now you might see 47 camerasand three bait sites and
whatever else, but you're notgonna see the people.
You're not gonna see the people.
The people just aren't there.
You know they're not there.
I hate to say it, but there'snot a lot of there's a lot of
participation, but there's not alot of active participation.

(53:07):
You know, and we me and mygroup of buds, you know, we, we
capitalize on that.
God man, if we get a snow, thenpoor bastards, they're in
trouble.
We're going to find them, we'regoing to find them.
You know, that's a.
I will say something that I'mvery proud of the people that I
hunt with, that we capitalizebig time when we find, when we
get them in the snow, when we wedo well, we do well whenever.

(53:31):
But when we get the snow andeverybody starts to click and
it's almost like we're not even,we're barely talking, we're
barely communicating.
We just know where they'regonna go and what the next guy
is gonna do and how to do it,and we're gonna make it happen.
It's awesome.
It's an awesome, awesomefeeling.
I love that.
I love when it clicks yeah, youcan't beat that no, you get a

(53:52):
good group of guys.
I mean, there was a couple timeslast year we did drives and
like we were doing the muzzleloaders or with the shotguns or
whatever we would just callquits at like lunchtime.
I was like yo, so we're gonnago get like lunch and beers in
the garage.
I'm like we're gonna do thatbecause like we're done right,
and it's like yeah, no, likewe're done today, like we're
done, we did enough today, likeyou know already, you know, we

(54:12):
did all right.
You know there's something youknow just, it's just, it's an
awesome, awesome experience.
I love, I love doing it.
You know, pursuing it.
There's a lot of you know a lotof respectable animals in the
area, in the region.
You know they're everywhere.
I feel like there's big.
There's big deer and big bearsall over.
You just got to go find them.
I think they're literallyeverywhere.

(54:32):
I don't think there's one spotmore than the other.
You know, I feel like if youput out cameras in your backyard
, put out cameras on top of amountain, cameras in the middle
of a swamp, I don't carewherever you want to go, you
know you, you can go find themif you want to go find them.
They're there, you know they'redefinitely there.
I think it's about how hard youpursue it.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
You know, that's that's my, that's my biggest
thing about it, you know youalways get what you put into it,
you know, out of it and, andyou know, frank, frank and I
we're actually going to hunttogether.
We hunted a little bit togetherover the last two years or
whatever you know, with turkeyhunting and stuff like that.
We haven't deer hunted togetheryet, but you know we've got

(55:14):
some potential where we're goingto hook up and go and I'm
watching a fairly decent buckright now and another spot
there's another fairly decentone that we're we're both been
seeing and you know, like you'resaying, you get in with a group
of guys and you know stuffworks and that's important.

(55:35):
You know, with him, him and I,we, we we're not in competition,
like you know, we're in thesame area but we click.
You know it's like we're.
If he squeezes a trigger, it'slike I squeezed it, I'm happy.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Oh, dude, that's, that's a hundred percent of it.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
You know there's not a lot of people, because hunting
season I've said this before itbrings the asshole out and
everybody but.
But you know and, and I alwayslike revert back to, I always
ask him we're good everything'sall right.
You know, if something'sstarting to bother you or
whatever, just just tell me,because I'd rather just, you

(56:12):
know, climb down out of the tree, walk away and hunt where I
hunt.
You can still do your thing andwe're still friends, because I
don't want to, you know.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Ever have that something or another come
between us, not I I only haveand it's not that like we're in
competition, but it's a I have avery, very close friend that
like he covers this side and Icover that side, you know right,
yeah, and we keep it that waylike we keep it that way and we

(56:42):
communicate.
We show them back and forth andwe communicate.
It's not like a wild thingwhere, like, we're hiding
anything I just don't ever wantto have.
I don't want to step on histoes and I wouldn't, you know,
and uh, you know there's acouple other guys but like you
know, of a close friend of mine,like I would never, I, uh, I
would, I wouldn't want to riskthat love.
You know a weird you, aterrible thing to have that in a

(57:05):
friendship.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Yeah, no, I like you know, it's like I said, it's
just, it's just one of thosethings you know.
I mean like he's like I, youknow over where I hunt.
I'm like you got to come overand he's like, dude, the deer
you're showing me are betterthan up at my and I'm like it
doesn't matter, I want to hangout with you, I don't care about
the deer, it's the huntingparty, it's the, it's the good

(57:26):
times together.
I mean, yeah, I want to killthis big ass buck, and you know.
But I told him I was like youknow you, you opened up your
spot.
You know you're more thanwelcome to come to my spot.
And he's like well, I don'twant to take your deer.
I'm like if you shot that deer,dude, I'd be happy as hell for
you.
You know I'd probably cry alittle bit.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
But you know I mean honestly.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
I'd be like ah, I've been watching that deer for four
years, but I'm happy, I'm happyas hell you shot that mother,
you know, yeah, uh yeah, well,that's, that's just how it is.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
You know, like, I, uh , I it's the same same same, you
know, and it, and you knowthere are very few people that
come into like your, your, your,your life and something that
you love like that much.
I mean, when I mean, this isvery few and do it as hard as
you do.
You know, and I don't want tomake it sound like super
emotional, but it's almost likea brother kind of thing, it's

(58:17):
just like you know what, youknow what you know like dude,
like, let me know, like, like,if it's working out, it's
working out for you, you knowkind of thing, like you take
down there, I'll take there, yougot this, I'll do that.
You know, like, whatever, Idon't want to cross paths, don't
want to like, I don't want tointerfere, no, nothing.

(58:39):
But when we hunt togetherbecause instead of having them
as like an enemy, right, I mean,yeah, you don't want that.
When we all click together, andeven when I even have my actual
brother with me and we getgoing, it's like, hey, we're
like a pack of angry wolves, man, like we're starving, you know,
and I was like, oh, I was likeonce we get them going and we
get something happening, andlike there's movement or
whatever, it's nothing to dolike a shift, to do like we got

(59:03):
to turn it, spin it, you know,the on-axis starts going.
We're flying, uh, we're lookingto get into rhinos, to be honest
with you, which is from garmin.
You know, you could, you couldsee everybody's.
That's what the guys up northuse.
I didn't know that.
Rhinos, yeah, you can, you, youcould see everybody's position,
you know.
And, uh, it's an expensivefeature, but I mean, like,

(59:25):
there's a lot of times, man,like you know, we're out there,
it's like it's, you know, you're, you're trekking up the hill,
these hills, elevations, they'reno joke, you know they, they
really are like something.
So when you're like you know,bring it downhill or go down a
bench or something like that,and especially, I'm always like
a dog, right, I'm the guy who'slike cutting the track, I'm
falling.
I'm always that guy.
I'm never the guy waiting forit to come, I'm always that guy.

(59:49):
And uh, when you hear thosehammering shots out in front of
you, you know, especially whenyou got a fresh snow and like
everything's just white,sugar-coated and it's all down
your back and you're alreadylike a mess.
You know, yeah, and like youknow, you get the taxes like you
know it's.
You know deer down or you knowgot them or whatever.
You're just like.
I don't know if there's abetter feeling than that.

(01:00:10):
I love shooting stuff with thebow, I really do, but there's
nothing better than that.
The collaboration of likeeverybody in a group and when
everyone starts, even if it'slike just a bunch of big, does
you know you're like dude, dude,yeah, like we did that.
That's awesome, you know.
You know it's just.
I love that, love that feeling,love that up and down.
That's a, that's a favoritething of mine.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
My cousin.
He hunts up in the Adirondackswith a bunch of guys in his club
and they all use those rhinoshe, he's.
He's been using them for years,man, and it's money on it.
You'll appreciate it a lot moreand you know what.
If you're hunting big groupsand you're doing drives, it,
that's a tool you gotta have.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Yeah so those guys up there if you're familiar with,
like thp right, those guys, ifyou ever watch how they do their
stuff and they show like the,the grid, like the topo and how,
like everybody moves in andthey move in and shift and
whatever, it's exactly the samething.
The guys up north, how theyexplain to me how they do it is
that everyone's got a rhino andthey go in and they all come in

(01:01:11):
from like different points andthey concentrate on like, say,
like a mountain right, whateverit's called, just call it, say
it's buck, mountain right, andthey'll all come in from
different points and it'll belike, say, guy a will be like,
oh, I cut a track.
It gets on the radio becauseit's a radio.
He's like got a track headingthis direction, coming towards
you.
So you, as the guy, whoeverit's going to say you're b right

(01:01:34):
, the guy would just like lockup a little bit and the rest of
them would kind of like allshift around and just pursue
that.
And the next thing, you know,one way or the other, at the end
they squeeze it like a pimple,just like the THP guys, and,
like you know, they're hammeringrounds and I was like that's
the way to do it, dude, likethat's the way to do it.
And we started implementing thatwithout the technology, without

(01:01:59):
the you know the satellite, thegarments and everything else
like that.
And we started doing that justby knowing, like by time, you
know the satellite, the garmentsand everything else like that.
And we started doing that justby knowing, like by time.
You know, like, like you know,listen at like such and such
time.
We need to end here.
If you get there before me,then just like, make it work,
just stand post, I'm coming, youknow, unless you hear.
You know, that's like unless Isay differently.

(01:02:20):
And uh, that's how we starteddoing a lot of things too, which
is something that thp did.
You know that they display verywell, you know.
And, uh, that works, that worksreally well for us too.
We do, we do, we do pretty wellwith that, you know absolutely
there's nothing better than likewhen you're combing big
mountains and big hills andeverything, you're only seeing

(01:02:41):
like three.
If you're seeing four deer, fivedeer, six deer, it's like a lot
, you know, you know.
But the ones, everything you'reonly seeing, like three if
you're seeing four deer, fivedeer, six deer, it's like a lot,
you know, you know.
But the ones that you're gonna,the ones that you booger out of
there and the ones that youknow that try to give you the
backdoor stuff and everything,they're respectable animals.
They really are, you know theymight not score 150 inches.
But man, when you, when youwhack 110, 120 inch buck coming

(01:03:02):
down off the side of a mountainthat you know that's been given
somebody to slip the entire year, you know, you know it's a,
it's a big deal.
You know sometimes they're big,sometimes they're big, big
animals.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
You know sometimes they are 130s, 140s, you know
they are, you know next levelstuff yeah, no, and especially
like, even when, like, if you'reputting on a drive or whatever,
most of the time you'll onlysee a couple tails.
You'll only see maybe two orthree deer.
But next thing, you know,everybody's like, you know, holy

(01:03:34):
shit, there was like 20 or 30.
You're like what?
20 or 30?
I only saw two.
You know, like they're verysmart man, I've seen them do
some crazy shit.
I mean, we used to watch guysput on drives and we we would
use, actually as a kid, we wouldset up behind the guys that
were driving because the deerwould constantly just circle
them and when they circled, youknow, when deer circled back.

(01:03:58):
That's how we used to get mostof our deer as a kid yep, yeah,
that's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
That's actually a pretty effective way to do it.
We've been, we've been doingcertain drives like that to
count on the deer like go rightin on them and let them get
behind us and let the guys andlet the guys behind us we're
like where we came from, becauseusually what they do is they
run a couple hundred yards andthey stop and turn around and
trying to figure out what'sgoing on by them.

(01:04:24):
We're already hiding behindtrees like they're just gonna
get waffled, you know, you know,you gotta, you gotta try to
outsmart them.
You know, yeah, deer like deer,just like big rabbits.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
I I got four beagles.
I used to run my dogs onrabbits up right here by the
house and you, you would.
You know people like when youstart out it's like oh so the
dog pushes the rabbit around ina circle.
No, no, no, no, no, the dog'sjust on the trail of the rabbit.
The rabbit runs in a circle totry to get back to his hole.
So the dogs are just in tow,they're just staying on the set

(01:04:56):
and keeping the rabbit moving.
And I started taking that andactually, like you're saying,
you know deer coming in the backdoor around you, or a deer back
, you know he'll backtrack tosee what's chasing them.
After so long they get curiousand I started, you know,
applying that like they're justbig rabbits, that's all they are
.
They do.

(01:05:16):
They do a lot of the same shitlike a rabbit will do if you
push them.
And you know it's the gods onthis truth.
They just want to know what thehell's after them.
You, you know, and it's it'slike if you, if you've watched
the Benoits and you know like alot, of a lot of these guys that
track how blood and you knowall these guys are like top, top
trackers all around and stuff.
I mean you know they have likea theory.

(01:05:39):
They'll say you know if you'rein the snow and you're walking.
They'll say you know, if you'rein the snow and you're walking,
okay, you got to imagine itlike you're a guy, you know,
coming home from work.
So that straight track that'sgoing through this and going
through that is you on your wayhome from work.
But then all of a sudden thattrack will bust off to the right
or to the left.
Now that deer is starting toslow down.
That's like you getting home,now he wants to feed, he slowed

(01:06:01):
down.
It's like you go in arefrigerator get a beer.
So that's when you want to beready.
You know, and it's, it's thesethings you know and I'm don't I
mean, I'm just quoting whatthese guys said.
That's not my.
You know stuff.
But you know when you listen tothese guys that shoot and they
produce man, I mean it's.
It's good food for knowledgefor your brain, let it sink.

(01:06:29):
You know, and you're out thereand you're tracking and you
start seeing this stuff happenjust because it's maine or just
because it might be up in theadirondacks or somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
They're still deer.
They still do the same stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
You know and you can apply that you can apply it so
much, man, and you know, that'swhy I love these.
I love doing the podcastbecause I meet so many different
people from all over thecountry, all over.
Even we we talked to differentgroups of people and I hear
their stories and how much theyline up or what I've learned
over the years and uh, it's cool, man, it's, it's really cool.
And you know great shows, likeyou know the THP guys, those,

(01:06:56):
those guys kill it.
Man, dan info, I mean the guy'sa freaking legend.
I mean, you know, I'm 50, I'mtrying to be a legend myself,
you know, and doing doing thesethings, getting deer every year,
and you know I mean the twobucks that are in the european
mount over my shoulder here theycame off a mountain and it was
the freaking first time I huntedit, you know, and it was public

(01:07:16):
land and uh, you know, and thenI got the bear the next year
after that in the same, the same, uh, same sit.
And you know, when you payattention, you listen to people
and you know you adapt and you,you can use things to your
advantage.
You don't have to followeverything to a tee, but you
take little bits and pieces,find out what's working for you.
It's just like you said, man, Iwas afraid of.

(01:07:38):
You know you were afraid ofheights, but when you got in the
saddle you were used to doingit as a logger and you know
cutting trees and stuff, and youknow you adapted.
You were using a saddle.
You know using a regularlineman saddle to get up in a
tree and doing that kind ofstuff, and that's cool.
That's where all this stuffcomes from.
You know, and that's why I lovedoing these podcasts, because

(01:07:59):
you get to talk to people, heardifferent stories and you know
stuff just lines up Everything.
People hear different storiesand you know stuff just lines up
everything kind of lines uplike we all love the same stuff,
we all come from the same, likemold and stuff, and we we all
enjoy what we're doing and we'repassionate about.
I mean, when I hear you talk,you're just like you're like me,
like I get excited and likefrankie.
I'll tell you I'm.
I'm a freaking nut with thesefreaking, these freaking soul

(01:08:22):
cam pictures.
I'm like bro, look, I want togo now and he's like I know a
couple more weeks it's goingnuts you get going crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
I'm fighting that.
You have no idea how hard I'mfighting that right now.
I mean, I'm entertaining thecell cams, I'm doing what I am,
but I'm fighting that hard.
Right now I operate the cellcams.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
I'm doing what I am, but I'm fighting that hard right
now.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
You know I, uh, I operate, I operate a fishing
business on lake apac on andthat right now has got to be my
consistency right into the restof this month pretty much.
If I bow hunt a handful oftimes, it'll be a lot.
You know, right now, come theopen season, I'll, if I get out
a couple of times, it'll be alot.
But my next big focus will bethe bear hunt in New Jersey and

(01:09:10):
that's when my time will be inthe woods.
I'll get out.
Before then, you know, I'llstretch my legs, I'll probably
shoot something.
Before that, I'm hoping to pullback the bow, get the jitters
out, you know, knock the dustoff the thing, you know.
But what, what I'm saying is isthat, like you know, balance is
everything and it's.
It's tough for me.

(01:09:30):
I'm not gonna lie, because I'm ayeah, I get locked in man I'm
all in and uh, I, I, it's hardfor me to shake that and once
the boats get out of the waterand I and I move on, and it's
usually right aroundmuzzleloader season.
You know, I, I do rockcation.
I try to at least, uh, Novembersome some week, veteran

(01:09:50):
veterans day week or the weekbefore, however I pace it out.
However I pace it out.
I hunt with family.
I got some friends and familythat come up and we, uh I, take
the week off and you know it'sone of those things.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
no-transcript honed in boy I mean, I'm home a lot
more, don't get me wrong don'tget me wrong, but like I'm gone,
she knows that saturdays I amgone.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
You know, if it's not like a designated, like opening
day or something like that, Iam gonzo gods, I will do
everything all week.
I might get a couple days forwinter bow, but for those
saturdays, especially into thoselate seasons, we can gun hunt
into uh, damn near almost forfirst week of february.

(01:11:02):
You know, we can, you know we,really we don't ever let off man
.
I've shot some really nicebucks in the first week of
february.
Sometimes it's uh, we just, wejust don't let off I just, you
know, I'm all in.
And then eventually it gets to apoint where it's kind of like,
uh, I don't know how to say it,but it's like in, like an
american sniper, you know, andthe guy he's like he does, like

(01:11:23):
what he's got to do, and hecalls her up and he's like I'm
ready to come home now.
It's the same thing.
It's the same thing.
I'm like I'm done.
I'm done now, like I'm done,like I'm all in now.
I'm done, like I'm just done.
I put the guns away and I don'tdo anything for like days.
You know, I just come home and,like there, I watch my kids'

(01:11:44):
cartoons or movies with them forone end I don't do anything.
It's like my body just can'ttolerate because I beat myself
up Anybody who does it.
It's something that you do, man.
It's like you beat yourself up.
I can't imagine what it's likewhen you get older.
I don't know, but I can tellyou right now, mid-30s, it's
like it hurts after a while.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
It hurts, you know like I, just when you're
bouncing around from state tostate, it's even worse mid-30s,
mid-30s, you are.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Yeah, I'm 50, I hit 50.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
I hurt my freaking feet, hurt my legs hurt,
everything hurt, frankie, I'lltell you, I almost fall down in
the woods.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
I just got an e-bike.
I took a freaking little slowtumble off of that the other
night.
I feel like a retard.
I'm out there in the freakingorchard I'm looking around like
I hope somebody didn't see me.
Just do that, cause that wasfunny.
I'm like and here's the funnypart my old lady.
My old lady goes did you get ahelmet for that fucking thing?
Yet, and I'm like no, I don'tneed a helmet for it.

(01:12:45):
I used to ride a Harley.
I'm a Harley guy, I rodeHarleys for years.
Right, I got rid of Harleys,bought a side-by-side.
So then I get this F&E bikebecause I want to hunt on the
thing and she said get thehelmet.
So I get one on Amazon.
Right, the first F at night Iwear a helmet.
I take a spill on the freakingbike up in the orchard and I'm
like if I didn't have the helmeton, I wouldn't have wrecked.

(01:13:06):
It threw my balance.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
It would.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Have you seen my 250 pound ass.
I'm going real slow.
I hit some ruts and I waslooking for deer up through the
orchards and I'm like fuckbullshit.
Next thing I go, I'm justlaying there.
I started laughing, laughing,and then I'm looking around.
I'm like there's no mexicansworking in here.
Are they gonna laugh at me?

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
and shit I'm like I was like oh man.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
So then I get on the son of a bitch, I start riding
it.
It's fine, and I went.
I left my house with like 50power on it because I rode the
shit out of it like the daybefore or whatever.
So I'm just about done.
I'm let me get back out to theroad.
It's starting to get later inthe evening.
There's a big ass hill.
I start pedaling up and it goes.
I'm like you mother.
I'm like, don't tell me thishour, they're a hundred and

(01:13:51):
freaking three pounds.
You can't just pedal them likea mountain bike.
So now my fat, overweight ass ison this thing and I'm like I
gotta go like two miles back tomy house.
So I get here, I get home, it'sjust getting dark.
She's like where were you?
I'm like the effing bike ranout of battery.
Well, why didn't you call me?

(01:14:12):
I said it would have hurt myego.
I'm like I had to come homesomehow.
I'm not calling you to comepick me up.
She's like that's just stupid.
You could have called me.
I'm like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm like whatever, I'll just goinside.
That's another little gamechanger, I hope.
I hope.
Like you know, I think it'sgoing to be really cool because
I already I took it out, hungsome cameras and shit with it

(01:14:34):
and I was able to like get tothis camera site, to that camera
site, you know back and forth,not make a lot of noise, things
quiet.
You know it's cool, I like it,but I just gotta keep it up on
it's on the docket of things forme to to want to.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
I I want to get that daycare right now kills me.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
I've been there uh, I just stopped paying daycare,
thank god.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Oh wow, congratulations you know yeah,
what are you gonna buy?

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
you know that's what I told him.
I was like Squatch, what am Igoing to do with my money?

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
what are you going to buy?

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
dude, I have no idea yet give it to me.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
Oh god, dude, I can't stand it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
I did go out.
I did go out and buy a brandnew Polaris 570 four wheeler
like a week ago.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
So that'll do it, that's good enough.
You know, start there, that's agood shot.
You know, yeah, but but uh,going back, going back to like,
you know, like your body hurtingand stuff I got.
I caught the flu last yearfirst week of march, end of
february, right, listen, notlike just felt like crap, right,

(01:15:47):
not like puking no guts, no,nothing, just like down and out,
like like seven days like downand out.
Nothing has repaired my kneesand my elbows more than that,
nothing.
I just laid there and I waslike that's what it takes.
You just have to just lay therefor days for your body to like,

(01:16:09):
re, like, re, like correctitself.
You know, because, like I stoodup and like my, you know, hiking
up those hills, I've sufferedit, you know, I've slipped, fell
, hurt my legs, all differentthings, right you, my knees, my
knees are like probably theworst things I got going for me
right now.
Right, played football did allthat stuff.
My knees hurt me the most,anyway, and you know it gets to

(01:16:32):
the end of the season whereyou're like, ah, you know,
you're really like Holy crap,dude, like it doesn't feel good
at all, you know, and I, since,since that, since I got the flu
beyond like the 15 pounds that Ilost from not eating 15, 20,
that really just fell off me.
My legs feel great.

(01:16:53):
I was like it's not all bad.
I got to watch a lot of moviesand stuff, but it really did do
a know.
You really have to giveyourself the time, you know it's
.
It's very obvious now.
You know I hear you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
That's just, that's it with us.
I mean we're workhorses, youknow.
I mean I, I work, I work for ahighway department full time and
I do landscape and excavationwork and I'm hurting, you know
I'm hurting.
And I was telling Frankie I'mlike I just got a freaking paver
job that I didn't want, butdoing a paver wall and freaking
sidewalk, and he's like, aren'tyou hurting?

(01:17:30):
I'm like, yeah, how heavy arethose blocks?
I'm like 75 pound a piece, man.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
He's like what the hell are you doing to yourself?

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
I'm like I don't know .
It's good money, man, I got todo it.
So you do it, so would you toolfor that shit, you know, and I'm
like, and I'm and it's funnybecause I'm on the job it's, and
I did it the hottest point ofthe summer is 97, 96 and the guy
that owns the place.
He comes out and he's like dude, are you crazy?
And I'm like what?

(01:17:57):
And he's like you're gonna worktoday.
I'm like, yeah, he's like holyshit.
He's like dude, you're crazy.
I can't believe you're workingin this shit.
So I built, I started buildingthe wall.
I put down like 55 block theone day, carrying them, you know
, and setting them down.
He goes are you all right?
I'm like, yeah, I'm about readyto go home and jump in the pool
now, cause it's like threeo'clock.
I feel like I'm cooked.

(01:18:18):
Let me get you a beer.
So you get some beer.
And, uh, I had a beer with him.
I'm like, yeah, I'm done, frigthis shit.
He goes how heavy are those?
I go go pick one up.
This guy's like holy shit.
I said 55 of them I put downtoday.
He's like that's prettyimpressive, dude.
I'm like, yeah, and I'm gonnapay for it tomorrow.
But I'll be honest with you.

(01:18:39):
I, I, I was okay, I did allright with it.
It's, it seems like when I slowdown in between stuff, that's
when I hurt more.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
You know, and it's like hunting season.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
That's it, that's anytime.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
So hunting season, I'll twist the wrong way Rib
cramps, I'm like.
Ah, I think I'm having a heartattack up in the shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Who's one of our first turkeys?
He's turkey, sits.
He's over there.
He's like I'm like are youalright?
What's wrong with you?
He's like ah, frankie, don'tget old son of a bitch.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
I'm like, yeah, just make fun of me, dude, it's
alright it's all good, it's allgood it's all good, trust me.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
Trust me, I'm not.
I don't want to call myself anold dog, but I just go hard.
And it's all relevant.
It's all super, super relevant.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
It is that's it All right, guys, I think we're going
to wrap it up for tonight.
Eddie, you got any last wordsor anything, or anything you
want to say.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
No, I appreciate you guys having me on here.
If you're interested, myInstagram's the underscore
mountain savage and if you guysare interested in fishing or
anything, I have a fishingbusiness on Lake Opecon.
It's Mackens Rippin' LipsFishing Trips and you can find
me at Mackens Rippin' Lips onInstagram, facebook, anything
like that, what?

(01:20:02):
Do you catch in there.
Oh, we do a little bit.
Everything.
Lake of pack on is full ofeverything you know it's the
biggest, biggest lake in the inthe state, and you know walleyes
and hybrid stripers are thebread and butter.
You know there's muskies there,nice uh, cabbage that one yeah,
tons of panfish.
I mean there's an abundance of,uh, you know I I don't know the

(01:20:25):
exact numbers, but I'm thinkinglike 40 or 50 percent of that
lake is like less than like 15,15 feet.
You know, a lot of it'srelatively shallow, so the pan
fishery there is just like it'sawesome, it's fantastic.
And then, uh, you know, thewalleyes are right up there with
the stripers.
They're just top notch.
That's the bread and butter,that's who rules the roost there

(01:20:45):
and that's, uh, that's what Itarget.
A lot, a lot of that, you knowyeah, I might.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
I might hit you up for that, because I'm actually I
I work right in mount olive, soI'm not too far from there, so
I might hit you up one day.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
No, you're like 10 minutes away, 15 minutes away,
you're not even that farliterally so I'll take you up on
that with these cool nightscoming and, uh, you know, the
water temperature took a diveman.
Uh, you want to talk aboutcrazy stuff.
I left, just before I left, formaine.
Uh, it was on the 20 I don'tknow what, it was 22nd, 23rd,

(01:21:17):
something like that.
When I left, water temperaturewas 79 degrees.
I came back on the 30th andwhen I was fishing on the 30th,
when I started my boat in themorning, it was 68 degrees.
That means that lake dropped Imean, I wasn't there, I wasn't
down a full week, you know andthat lake dropped 10 degrees.

(01:21:38):
So, uh, it's really, it's fall,it's, it's already shifted into
like a real fall pattern alreadyand the walleyes with that, the
walleyes and stripers are goingto start shifting.
We're still doing great, stilldoing good, but the walleyes are
going to really ramp up hereand I'll be running a lot more
designated walleye trips in thenext—that's what I did all last

(01:21:58):
fall, pretty much the entiremonth of October.
I would just do night wallwalleye trips, just tossing
lures for walleyes in theshallows and stuff like that.
It's really good as the, as thewater like starts to dive back
down towards, like you know,cooler temps.
That's what I'm talking aboutthat's, that's that's what it
takes to dive, but anyway,that's something that I'm doing
now that that that's my focus.

(01:22:19):
Nice man, I have to take you upon that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
But all right, good squad, you got anything else bud
.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
No, man, Just a pleasure to meet you, Ed, and
you know I started following youon Instagram, so that's cool,
man.
I can't wait to see what you do.
Good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
I appreciate it.
Guys.
Thank you very much for havingme.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
Yeah, absolutely, we'll have to get you on again.
Definitely good luck thisseason, ed.
You gotta let me know how youdo and, uh, I'll keep you in the
loop as far as how we're doingand how our season's going, and
we'll just go from there.
Bud, we'll get you back on tooawesome, awesome, awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
I like that, thank you yeah, anytime.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
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