February 17, 2025 • 61 mins
Kerry Owen's story is a powerful testament to how dreams can lead to compassionate action. She shares her journey of establishing Feed the Need in New Zealand and later growing Reach Out Today in Utah, both aimed at alleviating childhood food insecurity and supporting vulnerable youth.
• Kerry's background and charitable motivations
• Origin and impact of Feed the Need charity
• Connection through dreams and their significance
• Challenges faced in establishing charitable organizations
• Transitioning from New Zealand to Utah
• Continuing work to address poverty in local communities
• Examples of personal stories that inspire change
• Ways for listeners to get involved and make a difference
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to the Gentleman Project Podcast.
I'm Kirk Chug.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
And I'm Corey Moore.
Today in the studio we haveKeri Owen, who I met.
How long ago now?
Maybe a couple years?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
It was about five years ago.
Was it that long About?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
five years ago.
She remembers better than I doAbout five years ago.
She remembers better than I doCarrie in fact, I just sent a
video before the podcast thislast weekend introduced Kirk to
Carrie via video and he watchedthe video and saw some of the
things that she's done in herlife and sent it to like a dozen
people.
Yeah, and he said, is she likethe modern day Mother Teresa?
(00:41):
I said, well, maybe prettyclose.
So we love her, we think she'samazing.
I'm going to give you a littlebit of her bio and then we'll
get into it more by just talkingabout her experiences and the
things that make her who she is.
So Carrie is a mother of five,which is awesome, and she has
(01:01):
really tackled some major issuesin her life that are important,
like poverty, food insecurity,and has inspired many
communities and many people,myself included, in the United
States and in New Zealand, andshe is the founder of Feed the
Need charity in New Zealand,which I think we'll talk a
(01:21):
little bit about today, which Iwas blown away by that story the
first time I heard it.
She also leads in Utah, reachOut Today, which is a nonprofit
dedicated to serving vulnerablechildren, youth and refugees we
can talk a little bit about thatlikely today and has some just
amazing stories and a lady whoreally does follow what she
(01:43):
feels God is telling her, whichI'm inspired by.
In fact, a little tidbit I kindof like this it's cool is she
was awarded the member of theNew Zealand Order of Merit by
Queen Elizabeth II for hercontributions to children's
welfare.
That's a pretty big thing tohave happen to you.
(02:04):
So, carrie, sorry I'm going tobe quiet.
now we're going to ask you lotsof questions and and about your
life and um, about why you havea heart that gives back so much.
That's great, that's great.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
So Carrie?
Um, based on the bio and thethings that if I was listening
to this podcast I'd be like,okay, who is this lady?
How do you identify Carrie Owen?
What's the first thing thatcomes to mind when you think
about yourself?
Is it a charitable person or isit mother?
(02:41):
How do you identify as whensomeone says who's Carrie Owen?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I feel like my main role is a mother and I was
talking earlier with Corey andhow I feel like obviously I have
the five children of my own, towhom we adopted and, you know,
absolutely adore them.
But also I feel this feeling ofmotherhood to, like all the
(03:10):
children out there, especiallythe ones that haven't had that
mother's touch, like I reallytry to find opportunities to let
these children know that I lovethem and I might not know what
you you know, activities theylike to do, what food they like
to do.
I don't know anything abouttheir lives, but I know that I
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love them and I want them toknow that and that's a big drive
for me.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I know, based on the story that I've heard of Feed
the Need and the origin story ofthat, that, that is absolutely
true.
Heard of Feed the Need and theorigin story of that, that that
is absolutely true.
Would you tell some of ourlisteners how Feed the Need
started in New Zealand and,overall, the change that
happened in the system to makesure that the children in New
Zealand were being fed and takencare of?
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Okay, well, I wasn't expecting this turn of events,
but I ended up having a dream,and in the initial dream I saw
children that were going hungry,thousands and thousands of
children that were going hungry.
At that time, when we'd movedfrom England to New Zealand,
(04:20):
we'd taken our English TV and wecouldn't connect it to the New
Zealand TV, and so we had noidea of the news or what was
happening.
But having this dream opened myeyes to the suffering, and I
felt the next morning that I hadfound my calling in life.
(04:41):
But then I got busy and thoughtwell, you know, I'm juggling a
lot as it is, you know, I'm noteven a New Zealander, how do I
even go about doing these things?
And so I kind of let time slipaway a little bit.
But then a second dream came,and that dream.
(05:02):
But then a second dream came,and that dream I saw the same
children as I had before, and,and that was the moment where I
felt like, okay, no more timecan go under the bridge, I need
to take action.
And it's a funny thing, thesedreams, because I'm very aware
of what's happening in thosedreams, and I recently heard an
(05:25):
interview with a Harvardprofessor, professor of sleep
and he was talking about luciddreaming and the way he was
describing it.
I'm like that's what it was.
That's what it was, and Iactually contacted this
professor.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Because I was really curious.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
And he sent me a book and it just really helped me
kind of understand that this isactually something and just one
little thing that I read in thatbook.
It was talking about people whohave lost her hearing or lost
partial hearing have more luciddreams.
I actually went deaf in my rightear oh, no kidding and I was
like whoa, I never knew thatreally um, and so that's just a
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little thing on the side, but,um, I feel like these dreams
came from a loving heavenlyfather who knows each and
everyone and knows um people'strials, and he knew these
children and what they weregoing through.
And I will never forget thehopelessness that I saw in that
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dream, and that was probably thesaddest thing of all, because I
think you know those that aregoing without, especially
children.
You know they're in survivalmode, but to lose hope is like
losing everything.
What's the point?
And so I really felt like,along with this food, that it
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was really important that thesechildren know that there are
people out there that care forthem, even if they haven't got
that care at home or they'vebeen removed from family or if
they've gone through neglect andabuse.
That I was hoping that myembraces they would be able to
feel Jesus' embrace.
And so you know, whether it wasin a school assembly or
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anywhere, I would take everyopportunity to tell them that I
love them.
And I know that some of themheard that, because I got
letters, and there was oneletter which I think my husband
has hid from me because I can'tfind it after all these years,
but in this letter there was apicture of a woman which I
(07:40):
realised was me, with all colourand flowers, sunshine, blue sky
.
And then, on the left-hand side, was this child black and white
clouds, rain, sadness.
And this child said when youtold us you loved us, that was
the first time I've been toldthat.
Um, please don't forget me,please don't forget me, please
(08:02):
don't forget me.
I'll never forget.
Forget me, please don't forgetme.
I'll never forget you.
I'll never forget you, I'llnever forget you.
And I tried to search for thatchild, because it didn't say
which room they were in, youknow.
And so I never found that child.
But there is a little bit of afollow-on story.
But I know that everyopportunity that I have that's
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an important part of it not justto provide the need, whether
it's clothing, food, hygieneitems or so on, but also to let
them know that they're cared forand so reminding them back a
little bit how to feed the needhappen.
And so, basically, I convincedmy husband that we use our
savings and that we find a unitand I build a kitchen in it, and
that I, and you know, try andfind these kids that I saw in my
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dreams.
Um, but it wasn't kind of aseasy as I thought it was going
to be.
Um one to convince my husband,and then secondly, um, you know,
to do it with, you know, threechildren in tow, and then to
find out that we were selectedto adopt, and so I had a baby in
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my little pouch, and so it waslike, okay, we're gonna, we're
gonna do this.
But I still didn't know wherethe children were from my dreams
, and so what I did initiallywas just approach local schools,
asked if there were anyfamilies that were struggling
and that I could provide theirlunches, and so I'd just drop
off the lunches to those schoolsand then eventually, on the way
(09:36):
to go and visit our adopteddaughter's biological family for
a visit, we were driving downthe highway and I looked out and
I said to my husband, where arewe?
And so he said the place we'reat, and it was called Otara in
South Auckland, and I said thisis where the children are, this
(10:00):
is where they are, and so thenit was a case of trying to get
gain their trust, theprincipal's trust, that I'm here
to stay, um, and so I missedout the third dream, and so this
is where I'll bring it in.
So, basically, I had a thirddream, and in my third dream I
was dressed all posh andeveryone was dressed really
(10:23):
nicely, and we were in thisgovernment building of New
Zealand and I saw these bigbrown doors and there was this
Maori man that was stood next tothe door and he was holding
some keys and he gestured for meto come and walk through that
door and there was no wordspoken.
(10:43):
I just went, he opened this doorwith those keys and as I walked
through I walked into thisbright light and that was the
end of my dream.
Well, sometime later, before Igot to that point where I was
ready to get into the area thatI knew where the children were,
I saw this man at a conference,stood on one of the seats, on
(11:06):
the pews, and I said to myhusband that's the man from my
dream.
And so I managed to find outhis phone number and name.
But then I had to pluck up mycourage to call him, because you
know, it's kind of unusual tosay, hey, I had a dream about
you, and so I took my time.
(11:26):
But this one day I felt likeI've got to do it and so I gave
him a call and um, I said, oh,um, you don't know me.
My my name's Kerry Erin.
And he said oh, I've beenwaiting for your call, and at
that time, the only people thatknew my dreams were my family,
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one friend and my husband, andso I was initially kind of
dumbfounded like why would he be?
waiting for my call and then Ijust said have you had a dream
about me?
So I hadn't even told him I'dhad a dream about him at this
point and so I said, oh, haveyou had a dream about me?
And he said I have.
So I thought, okay, I'm goingto test this.
(12:06):
So I said what did?
Can I ask what you dreamt?
And he said yeah.
He said I was, um, basically.
He said I saw an image of awhite woman and he said are you
blonde?
I said yeah, I mean I havehighlights, but yeah and um, he
was just like okay.
And he said you were holding ababy.
I was like oh yeah, we've justadopted a baby girl.
(12:27):
And he was like okay.
He said, well, I saw you in thegovernment building of New
Zealand.
And that was like whoa.
And he said, and you know, hesaid I stood at this door
holding some keys.
And he said and as you walkedthrough this door, you walked
into a bright light.
So it was like exactly yeah.
(12:47):
And so he was just like I thinkwe need to meet, and I said,
yeah, I think.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
You think?
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Yeah, and so that was .
I came downstairs after thatphone call and I said to Matt,
you never, that's my husband.
I said you'll never guess whatjust happened.
He was like, okay, what?
I'm like, what you just, youjust never will guess what
happened.
And he was like okay, are yougonna tell me?
And I just kept saying it overand over you'll never guess what
happened, because it's notevery day.
Two people have the same, youknow, have the same dream and
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see each other in the dreams.
Um, and it's never happened,since it's one in a lifetime.
It's amazing.
And so from there he came overwith his wife and there was a
little bit more to thatconversation, but basically it
turned out that he was a Kamatra, which is a Maori chief, and so
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I asked him.
I said you know why would yoube in the government building?
And he said, oh, I work for thegovernment, I do work for the
government for Maori health,said, oh, I work for the
government, I do work for thegovernment for Maori health.
And I'm like, oh, okay, sothere was some synergy there and
anyway, we had an amazingconversation and I was really
glad that my husband could hearit and feel it, because I think
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he was going along with you, Ithink he believed in my dreams,
but I think it's a lot to youknow, I think it just helped
having that another person talkabout this and you know that
this is our purpose, this iswhat I need to do, and so he was
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very supportive after that.
And then it was just a case of,okay, we need to get another
space that we could build akitchen in in South Auckland,
and so I ended up reaching outto the Salvation Army and met
with one of their directors andthey agreed to the space, and
then it kind of went from thereand we kind of had this
partnership which worked reallywell.
(14:41):
And then this Maori man.
He said I can get us into theschools.
And he said I'll get you into aMaori school which is called a
kora.
And someone has asked me thisbefore are you, are they
separated from the whites?
I said, um, they choose to be.
They want to have their ownlanguage, they want to.
(15:02):
They don't want that lost,which I totally agree with.
It's a beautiful language.
I miss hearing it every day.
But um, yeah, so he actuallyapproached one of the curlers
and said you know, this is.
I want to just tell you thestory.
And so they had me come in andjust before we went in, not long
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before we went in, he asked me.
He said you need to share yourdreams with them.
And I was like, oh no, we, Idon't do that.
Um, no, that's not what I do.
And um, he said, trust me, youneed to share your dreams with
them.
Um, so when it was time for meto stand up, I awkwardly said hi
, my name's Kerry.
And then, as soon as I startedtalking about the dreams, they
(15:50):
all leaned forward and listenedand I was realized in that
moment this is their language,like I'm talking their language.
And so they gave permission andactually the principal gave the
phrase well, kerry, you havenow adopted 183 children, which
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were the children in the car,and that meant something to me,
because we'd adopted twice.
You know, that was kind of likeand that's how I do feel about
children in general Just like Ijust want to like, hug them all
and, you know, look after themand yeah, so, yeah.
So that was the beginning sofeed the need.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Just so that I understand this and I think
maybe a lot of other peoplelistening to the podcast in in
the schools they are notprovided a lunch like we are
used to here in the states soright.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
So basically, when I moved to New Zealand, I'd moved
from England where there was asystem like there is here.
So my dad had been raised usingthat system.
Um, and you know, um, you know,it was like I just thought that
was everywhere.
I know that's naive, but Ithought when we moved to New
Zealand you know it's part ofthe Commonwealth and I thought
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that that service would would bethere I chose to make my kids
like lunch boxes that they takeevery day.
I never even questioned thatthere wasn't food, and so when
the dream came, I was like, oh,so I kind of did a bit of
research.
We didn't have a tv.
I'm like, okay, so I did a bitof research, and that's when I
realized, oh, there's notactually a system in place, so,
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like, these kids will just gohungry all day, and so that was
the case at the beginning.
Um, and I ended up, um, so theMaori man's daughter, laurie
she's actually trained as anutritionalist and we ended up
working very closely together,um, and ended up getting a lot
of people, a lot of people, alot of people volunteering, a
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lot of people that, thankfully,you know, believed in my dreams
and wanted to, you know help.
But one day I met this womanwho was in the political arena
and we had an amazingconversation and she was also
very passionate about helpingthose that were struggling in
poverty.
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And we just talked aboutpassionate about helping those
that were struggling in poverty,and we just talked about food
in schools and I said, well, youknow, I really feel like you're
that person that can make ithappen.
And she ended up serving on ourboard and eventually becoming
prime minister and not longafter she was prime minister,
she brought in the food inschools.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
That's amazing.
So that was incredible.
Yeah, so you started that scene.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Well, I think you know she she agreed with it.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
You created awareness .
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Yes, I do, I do.
Well, there was a show calledthe Sunday show and um, where I
was interviewed and askedquestions, and I definitely
think that it started a nationalconversation for sure yeah, and
now.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
School lunch is provided in New Zealand for all
school children yes, there'sbeen some changes with the
change of government.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
You know how you see the different changes coming in,
and so I'm not quite sure howthat's going to look.
But yeah, there is a foodsystem in schools.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah, so that's yeah, that's a real relief.
Thank you, that's an amazingaccomplishment.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
There's probably still lots of children who
obviously go without food in theworld, especially third world
countries.
Give us an overview of that,like do you, are there other
places where kids aren't gettingfed when they're in school?
Speaker 3 (19:30):
I mean, besides those who aren't going to school and
living in places where thereisn't an infrastructure well, I
mean in new zealand I know thatstill it's a struggle on the
weekends and school holidays umto access food and so Feed the
Need still carries on andprovides food for those times.
(19:52):
And obviously across the worldyou see images.
I remember, you know, as achild being very sort of drawn
to images on the news and kindof losing sleep over it.
And I think something thatprobably I struggle with is I
want to fix everything and like,but we can't.
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But we can make a differencewhere we are and we can do a lot
more than we think we'reprobably capable of.
I think most people would havethought I was justified to think
.
I'm busy Totally.
I've already got this going on,I've got my health struggles,
and I think sometimes we tellourselves we're too busy.
(20:36):
But I really do feel like forme anyway that I feel everyone
has a purpose and that, you know, with God's help we can do
great good yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I have to say I imagine that's why God speaks to
you the way he does.
I mean, not everyone getsdreams, but everyone is spoken
to in one way or another.
Maybe you should tell us,instead of me hypothesizing,
what it is.
But why do you think God hasgiven you these dreams and has
talked to you so much about howyou can help others?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I don't know, I actually don't know.
People will say, oh, I wish Ihad dreams like that.
But you know, I sort of feellike, oh, it's, it's like
something that comes with aresponsibility and it's actually
a huge burden.
Um, and the three dreams that Ihad in New Zealand were really
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just the beginning, and so whenI do have a dream, it's like
I've got another rucksack on myback.
Is that what you call them?
yeah, it looks like on my backfull of rocks, and you just got
to keep going, keep carrying on.
And I said in that interviewthat you'd seen the other day, I
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do get tired.
I get tired and sometimes feellike it's just too much, but I
think it's because there's alsothat sort of I don't know how to
put it I feel a lot of likecompassion, empathy, I don't
know, and that's what probablydrives me but also burdens me,
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because I just want to fix itnow, get there, now you know,
and yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
I believe it's because you act on the
promptings.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, that's what I was going to say too, god's
given it to you, even thoughthere are rock sacks, maybe I
should stop.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
You're changing lives , individual lives in a major
way and whole nations in a way.
So talk to us about whatbrought you to Utah and what
inspired you to help thechildren here.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Okay.
So, um, I had a dream, surprise, surprise.
And in that dream, um, I sawthis house on the top of a hill,
um, and there was pine trees,um, outside the house it was
like a white fence fencingoutside the house.
It was like a white fencefencing and this was.
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I began searching for thishouse in New Zealand I didn't
know where it was.
Every new building estate I'dbe going there talking to the
builders Like, so what's thestyle of the house, is that
going to be built?
Because I had this picture ofwhat it was.
And eventually, a few yearslater, I was back in this place,
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outside the same house that Idreamt on years earlier, and I
said, father, where is this?
And I was told to turn around.
And when I looked opposite,there was a cul-de-sac opposite
and there was an American flagflying.
And I was was like no way, I'mnot moving again.
Side of the world and that wasmy initial reaction I don't want
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to move, I don't want me, Ididn't want to move just because
I just love new zealand, andbut that's I said to matt.
Okay, you know that dream thatI had.
Well, it's in america, I don'tknow where in america.
Again, there's a long story,but eventually we found
ourselves at the top of thishill with a white picket fence
outside and pine trees andopposite a flagpole.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
In a cul-de-sac, in a cul-de-sac, yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
So I know that was why.
Well, we were meant to be here,but I didn't know why.
And so when we first arrivedhere, I was praying about like,
okay, what are we doing here?
Is there even any need?
You know, because in theneighborhood that we've bought
into, you know everyone's doingwell.
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But within a few weeks of beingin that home, the dreams began,
and so I knew that okay, yeah.
And so I was actuallyapproached.
I've got a cousin that liveshere and he and a friend of his
had set up Reach Out Today, a501c3.
And they'd actually approachedme and said, like, with all your
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experience in New Zealand,could you do this?
You know we can't pay you, butyou know you'd do an amazing job
, you know sort of thing.
And I said, well, let me thinkabout it.
But then, once the dreams began, I'm like okay, because it was
almost like it was there, givento me, you know, and it was like
, okay, this is what I need todo you did move from New Zealand
, so yeah, was that the onlyreason that you moved from New
(25:38):
Zealand?
yeah, wow, so my husbandactually um at work.
So the following day after I'dhad that dream about this house
and the American flag, and thefollowing day, matt went into
work and his boss was Americanand he said oh, have you ever
thought about you know, workingin America?
Yeah, that was the first timeand he was just like before.
(25:58):
He'd always said no, butbecause of you know, he was like
yeah, I'm open to it and your,your husband's, british he is.
Yeah, we're both British, yeah,yeah, um.
And so we actually um, had ourfirst child in England.
We adopted our second child inEngland and then moved over to
New Zealand and then had anotherchild, naturally, adopted
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another child and then hadanother child.
I was like, okay, where do I,where can I find the need?
And I thought, okay, in EnglandI went into the schools.
You know, they know, theteachers know, the school
counsellors know what the dealis.
And so the first schooldistrict I went to was the
Granite School District, andthen the next one was Ogden, and
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then you know, one afteranother, and what I've learned
over all the years is if you goin with a pen and paper, you can
fill that pad of paper withneeds.
So, for example, up in Ogden,one of the school counsellors
said to me you know, we have alot of kids in my school that
are transient, as in um, movingfrom foster home back to
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grandmother, to mom, toboyfriend.
You know there's a lot ofmovement, um, and I have on
average this is what the schoolcounsellor said 45 kids that
soil or wet themselves per week.
And he said and I'm using mytime going off to the laundromat
trying to get their clothescleaned, instead of using my
time to help.
You know, give them counselingand so forth and help them.
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And so that was kind of thefirst thing we did.
We started, um, providingclothing, Um, and then it was
the first thing we did, westarted providing clothing.
And then it was just one thingafter another.
So, for example, one of thecounsellors said you know, we
had this boy come to the officesaying that he's sharing a
toothbrush with his dad and hisbrother, and could he have a
toothbrush?
And I'm like, oh, my goodnessright.
So we started putting togetherthese hygiene packs.
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We started the pop-up salons.
I'm not a hairdresser, you won'ttrust me, but um, they asked,
and so I was like okay, and soyou know.
Thankfully I found somehairdressers what do you call
them hairstylists here?
sorry, neither um, and who werewilling to come do two hour
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block, and that was anincredible experience.
Just one of the lads that I waswashing his hair.
Um, he said to me I don't thinkI've had my hair washed for two
years and I was like really,and I said why is that?
And he said, well, there's 13of us 13 of us in the trailer
and there's never hot water,there's never shampoo.
(28:34):
And I wasn't not sure if Ibelieved it because I'm like two
years is a long time.
As I'm washing him, I wasn'twearing gloves.
That was the first time I did apop-up salon.
I've always worn gloves since ummy hands, like I could not, I
could not get rid of the smellfor like two or three days and I
was using everything, and so Ibelieved him, like I was like
this was for real but this youngman was like walking down the
(28:55):
corridor, he had long hair andhe was just feeling like a
million dollars and it was justlike.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
This is what it's all about, you know yeah, I
remember when you first told methat story and I just was a
little bit in shock.
We're talking about yourbackyard right now.
Yeah, I'm not talking aboutwhere both Corey and I grew up.
Yeah, exactly Ogden.
Oh okay, he lives in NorthOgden.
I grew up yeah, exactly Ogden.
Oh okay, I didn't know that helives in North Ogden.
I grew up there.
So I remember when you told methis story the first time and
(29:23):
there's more of the story but Ijust thought, wait, in our
backyard, I got to help withthis.
This is nuts.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
I remember the Ogden Rotary Club had a fill the need
I think it's what they called itduring the summertime and we
would go and help.
They'd bring food from thepantry and Catholic community
services and LDS family servicesat the pantry, the Bishop
storehouse would bring food tothe parking lot of the school so
(29:51):
that the families could come upand pick up enough food for
them to get through the weekend,because they depended so much
on the school lunch and theschool breakfast program Because
a lot of times they would eatschool lunch and they wouldn't
eat again until they came toschool the next morning.
And when you have no school inthe summertime, there's just
this huge gap.
And I remember taking my kidsto that and standing in the
(30:15):
parking lot and being able tolike explain to them like this
box of cereal is their breakfastfor the weekend and they'll
come back again next week.
And I remember just likewatching my kids realize that
this was happening in theirbackyard.
And so some of the programsthat you're working on now here
(30:39):
in the state of utah, tell usabout those, um, and because I
know that there's severaldifferent uh emphases that
you're that you're making andsome of them is transitional
housing and and things like that.
So tell us a little bit aboutsome of the things that you're
working on right now.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
So one of the programs is Feed the Gap, which
you were just kind of talkingabout, and as you were talking,
it reminded me of a story thatactually took place up in Ogden
where somebody noticed thatsomeone was on their property
and phoned the police.
Police came over and found thatthere was this woman with her
two young children going throughtrash cans trying to find food.
(31:18):
And so that was actually inOgden and um, and that was kind
of like whoa, is it that bad?
Like to go through people'strash trash cans trying to find
food?
Um, so we do feed the gap,which is we have pantry packs
and we have meal packs and wehave snack packs, um, and so,
(31:40):
yeah, we'll bring those and dropthem off to school districts
and it'll just kind of um, be intheir pantries.
Um, there was another time thiswas in the uh, actually I can't
remember what district, sorry,but there was um another um
school that told us of a boythat moved into the school
(32:01):
district and had gone into thepantry and had started crying
straight away when he was toldhe can just fill up the bag and
he just carried on crying andthey were like trying to
understand why he was crying andhe said can I get food for my
sister?
That's what he said.
And, um, they said yeah, and hewas like okay, and then he just
(32:24):
kept crying and crying.
As he was filling the, he got abag for his sister back from
him and he was filling up thesebags and and then eventually
they heard the story and thislittle boy had been asked by his
mom.
She was a single mom and she wasstruggling and she said we have
to choose between food thiswinter or heating.
I'm going to let you make thechoice, which is so sad for a
(32:49):
little, you know, seven-year-oldboy to have to think about.
And um, and this boy saidheating, he wanted to be warm.
And so she said, well, okay,when I'm out of work, you'll
need to try and find some foodfrom the neighbors or wherever.
That's going to be your thingto try and find food for you.
It's you and your sister, andso the burden that little boy
(33:11):
would have had, you know, um,like I've never forgot that
story and I think kind of whatlike really hit me was it was
like 15 minutes from my house,you know like I pulled up.
Yeah, wakes you up a little bityeah and you're just like gosh,
we've been given so much and yetthere's a struggling mother
(33:32):
who's asking her seven-year-oldto make a choice between heating
or food, and yeah, so thesepantries, like, are really
important, and so we do feed thegap to help those pantries.
You know, have enough for thedemand.
We do, um, um, we do so many.
(33:54):
That's the problem, okay, so wedo close the gap, um, and so,
yeah, trying to get clothing forthem, um, and then we do hide
in the gap and so that, um, yeah, like I said about the
toothbrush, and so we have allsorts shampoos, conditions,
deodorants, um, sometimes, um,like combs, hairbrushes,
(34:16):
toothpaste, yeah, you know allsorts.
And then we have done likewashing powder, like laundry
detergent, and then we have thetransition gap, which is where I
met Corey.
And so at the beginning, when Ifirst came here, like I said, I
went to the schools.
Well, I also went and met withDCFS and I met with Utah foster
(34:40):
care and I met with differentorganizations, anyone that's
working with kids.
I kind of wanted to talk tothem, just find out if there was
any gaps and if I could doanything to help.
I didn't promise anythingbecause it was just me, but like
I just kind of wanted to know,um, and when I met with DCFS
they just said, you know, likeoften when youth age out of
(35:00):
foster care, um, they're sick ofthe system, they want to be out
, they want to be independent.
But six to twelve months downthe road they're in desperate
situations.
They may have gone back tobiological family hoping that
they could, you know, workthings out, but it doesn't work
out.
They might go back to previousfoster carers, but they're
(35:22):
fostering new kids and they canonly shelter them for a few days
or a week or so, and so a lotof these youth end up homeless,
um, end up, you know, umincarcerated, um taking drugs
and so forth, and the statisticsare like really high, you know.
And I just thought they reallydon't have a chance, you know.
(35:45):
And so they were just talkingabout an organisation called
Milestone, which is run throughSalt Lake County, and how they
have these wraparound servicesfor these youth.
They help them with everything,whether it's getting their
social security number, whetherit's like applying for an
interview if they need a suit,you know, and just actually also
(36:05):
having like housing for them,so then they can have a period
of time after they age out offoster care that they can try
and thrive with the wraparoundcare.
And when I met with MilestoneMinna, who's directing it, um,
she said to me we are turningaway youth every week because we
don't have enough housing.
And I'm like thinking becauseone of the dreams was about this
(36:32):
and I just thought we need todo more.
We need to do more for theseyouth.
They've already had a roughupbringing.
Maybe they've never been toldthey're loved, you know, um,
maybe they've experienced stuffthat we can't even imagine.
And then, as a society, we'resaying okay, off you go.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
As a society, we're saying okay, off you go.
Yeah, good luck.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Yeah, and then we wonder why we have homelessness,
why we have these issues, andso I really felt, when she said
that, I was like, right, okay,this is something to work on.
And that's when the projectbegan 2018.
And so it was just kind of acase of like okay, who do I go
(37:19):
to, who do I talk to?
And so on.
Ended up talking to Corey andyou felt as passionate about
this as myself and wanted to dosomething, wanted to be involved
.
You know, we talked about maybebuying land building something
or maybe renovating something.
Um, you know we talked aboutmaybe buying land building
something or maybe renovatingsomething.
Um, and then ended up doingsome speeches to the salt lake
(37:41):
rotary and boom, they're amazing, if you want anything done, go
to them.
Um, and so did a few speecheswith them and they were like,
yeah, we want to do this, and soit really was a collaborative
thing.
And I would say the same in NewZealand it was a collaborative
thing.
I think, like when you want toget something done, you have to
(38:03):
find like-minded people and youknow, together you're stronger
and you're able to make adifference.
And so the Salt Lake Rotaryalong you know, some other great
people and Corey's big D checkat the beginning.
She's giving me too much credit.
So, yeah, it kind of madethings happen.
(38:26):
And so now last year, last June, they did the ribbon cutting
Beautiful building, Beautifulbuilding.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Tell us about it.
What is it, how many does itserve?
Speaker 3 (38:37):
and so it's in mill creek it has nine apartments and
, um, there's three bedrooms ineach apartment, um, and what's
cool about it, what's cool aboutmilestone, is that all of them
are employed and, as far as Iknow, nine of them are, are also
(39:01):
in education, higher education,which is gonna help set them up
for life, and they theyanything they need.
You know, they can just go totheir um, so they have people
that live in as well, um, and sothey're, you know, in a
brilliant situation.
(39:21):
You know, I mean, they stillwill have trauma that they have
to go through, they're stillgoing to be troubled in some
ways, but they've got a chanceand actually the statistics for
milestone, for the youth agedout milestone, is good, really
good, and so it just shows to methat, like, if you can offer
wraparound care and if you canoffer, you know, housing for
(39:43):
that vulnerable space in between, you know, aging out of foster
care and being independent, thenI think there needs to be more
of that, like.
I'd love to see that in everycountry.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
I'm sure they're still turning away here, given
the new housing.
I mean, if you look, at theentire wasatch front.
I'm sure we still have a needyeah what?
What age do they?
Do they um age out of fostercare?
And then, what age do they ageout of milestone?
Speaker 3 (40:11):
so when I spoke to dcfs they said they don't have
to age out at 18 anymore, likethey have shifted that.
But most of them do because theykind of blame the system.
You know, they kind of some ofthem haven't had the best
experience.
I mean I talk about in the bookactually about a girl that I
met who we found out it was herbirthday so we thought we'd
(40:32):
surprise her with a gift andsing happy birthday and she
actually went and crawled undera table and was rocking and
crying and I was confusedbecause I'm like we're here
celebrating your birthday andwhen I went into the table, um,
she said no one's sung me happybirthday before, no one's sung
me happy birthday before, andshe was like scratching her arms
(40:53):
but and blood was coming outand so she just wasn't used to
it, which is like absolutelylike mind blown to me that a
child can go through the systemand never be celebrated, their
birthday never recognized, neverget a present or a gift or know
, you know, know that there isactually people out there that
(41:13):
care for them.
That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
You've been blessed with an extraordinary amount of
empathy, but I think, inaddition to that, you've been
blessed with the ability to acton your empathy.
And if there's anything I'mtaking away from this today,
it's that when I get whisperedto and when I feel God talks to
(41:37):
me, or like sometimes I say atthe end of the podcast, act on
each good thought.
If we act on those things, thenwe're given more and more
opportunity to feel that,because I don't know about you,
but I think the most satisfyingthings in my life have been
those things that I've beenprompted to do and that I did,
no matter how hard they were.
(41:58):
And I think the more and morewe do that, that's a muscle that
we have to use and grow, and ifwe don't use it we lose it.
And the more we use it, thehappier we become, although in
your case, you've you'veidentified this as almost like a
burden, because it's like Godknows you're going to go do this
(42:18):
.
If he tells you to you, youknow that that's that, that's
your calling, and and what awonderful thing.
I was thinking about this lastnight.
There's very few times in mylife that I feel like I have met
people that know with a suretywhat their life's calling is.
If you think about the peoplethat you interact with and that
(42:44):
you know family, friends,associates, business partners
there's very few of them that Ican look at and say that person
knows why they're here.
I can look at and say thatperson knows why they're here,
like not just like theoretically, but they know for a fact why
(43:04):
God has put them in the placethat they're at right now.
And it's refreshing to findsomebody that that I know, that
you know why you're here, and itinspires me.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
It kind of reminds me of a conversation that I had
with somebody who was in aposition of power in government
in New Zealand and he was also avery successful businessman,
and we ended up he ended uphelping with the charity work
that I did there and vice versa.
(43:40):
And this one day he said to medo you believe in God?
I was like I do.
He was like do you really?
I was like no, I do.
And he was just like, okay,prove to me that God is real.
I was like, oh, okay, and so Ithought I've just got stories.
I'm not going to start doingbible scriptures and stuff, I'm
(44:02):
just going to go with stories.
And so I shared a story withhim and he was just like and he
is like really intelligent, gota million PhDs, like seriously
scientists through and through,very like ultra clever.
I never went to college.
Um, you know, I did struggle atschool.
And so I thought, well, theonly thing I've got is stories,
(44:24):
so we'll go with that.
And so I shared a story withhim and he was like, tell me
another one.
So I was like, okay, so I toldhim another one.
He was like okay, you've got totell me one more.
And he was actually dropping meoff at the airport and he said
I'm going to come into theairport with you.
And so he walked me into theairport and, um, he was just
like okay, it's obvious that youknow you have a calling in life
(44:46):
.
And he said so, what's mine?
And I thought about it and Ithought, because he was a
natural leader, like peoplelooked up to him.
Um, he, you know, would go intoa room and everyone would stop,
like he was that sort of way.
And I said to him I said Ithink you're meant to be a
(45:07):
leader, a righteous leader, andhe was like and he was like I'm
not so righteous, I'm like butyou can work on it like you know
.
That's what I feel like you canbe.
You can be a righteous leader.
And he actually ended upgetting very emotional and he
was crying and he said I don't,if God is real, I don't think he
(45:29):
would love me.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
And I was like he does.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
He does love you and he was like I've made a lot of
mistakes.
I said no, but he'll still loveyou and he said I hope you're
right.
Anyway, as I was walking off tothe plane, he was still crying
and he messaged me later thatday and he said you've given me
a lot to think about, um, andwe're still in contact today, um
, and I hope that.
(45:53):
Uh, I hope that, because Ireally feel like once people
recognize what their calling is,it gives them a clear direction
and you know, when the thingscome as they do with everybody,
all of us you know you havechallenges.
You can kind of still see thatend goal and not be distracted
(46:17):
by things of the world orwhatnot.
You know, you can kind of keepfocused.
He's actually gone on to climbeven higher on the ladder in the
government and is doing greatstuff, so, yeah, so when you
talked about the calling thing,I think most people would like
to know what their calling isand I think they can get the
(46:38):
answer yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
It's an interesting question to maybe ask, like it
took courage for him to ask youwhat do you think my calling is?
Maybe the people that know usbest.
We could ask them that samequestion.
And you know, because I think alot of times we want to know
how the world sees us, becausewe only see ourselves through
our own eyes.
And if you are patient and opento the answer of how does the
(47:06):
world see me?
What are my gifts that I maynot see, that others do, then we
can build on those gifts.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
Yeah, I mean you sent me in the email a list of
questions and so I thought, well, I'll just ask my kids.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
See what they say.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
There were some funny answers.
One of the questions was how doyou connect with your kids?
And I said snuggle, like Ialways snuggle them.
And anyway we had a bit of alaugh because I always say do
you need a snuggle, wuggle, justlike an extra hug?
And you know my kids all withmuslin goals, they know that
(47:41):
they're loved um, but yeah, Ikind of feel like, yeah, if we
go to our families, they'll comeout hopefully with some answers
and there's things that theycame back with that I thought,
oh yeah, that's true, like.
So one of the things it's likeyou know what, um?
One of the questions you askedwas you know, is there anything
that we'd do different?
and so I asked my one son.
He said nothing, you're amazing.
(48:01):
And I asked the next one.
He said stop hugging us as much.
Then I asked the next one andas I was going down the line,
I'm like this is getting worse.
So maybe I was better with thefirst kid.
I don't know, but um, yeah.
So I think, yeah, asking familyand friends um what they think
um our calling is or what ourstrengths are.
(48:22):
I remember being asked um, youknow, what are my gifts in life?
I've been asked that by a youngwoman and who was going through
a difficult time, and I said,well, I don't know because I
don't know you well enough, butlet's talk.
You know, um, but sometimes Ithink, with gifts, you have to
(48:43):
kind of like, also do your part.
So you know, I might have thatdream and then it's like, okay,
that could just be a dream, butyou have to act upon it, you
know, and so you might have aprompting, you know.
However, you know thosefeelings come to you, the you
know, don't suppress a goodthought or whatever.
Like, whenever you have thosesort of things come to you.
(49:04):
Don't suppress a good thoughtor whatever.
Whenever you have those sort ofthings come to you, just kind
of go with it, even if itdoesn't make sense or doesn't
seem logical.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Like move to America because you've got a dream of a
house.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
You might have already answered this question
and what you just said, but Iwant to phrase it to you in a
different way.
If one of your kids came to youand said mom, how do I know
what I'm supposed to do?
How do I know what my callingis in life, what advice would
you give your kids to say here'show you figure that out and
here's what you listen for andlike.
(49:37):
What would you say to them ifthey said, hey, I want to know
what I need to do, like what'smy purpose and I want to connect
in that way?
What would you?
Speaker 3 (49:47):
say to your own kids Well, I think you could probably
agree.
Each of your kids are different.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
True.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
And so, you know, I think each of my kids have
different strengths, and so wehave one of our kids that are
struggling with mental health atthe moment, which is probably
one of the biggest, like one ofthe hardest things as a parent,
um, and so whenever your kid issick, whether it's physical,
mentally or so forth, um, youjust want to fix it.
(50:18):
Um, a couple of years ago, ouryoungest son got scarlet fever
and sepsis and ended up inhospital and you know, you just
think, oh, could I have doneanything different?
Um, he was tested for strep butit was like a negative,
positive, negative, I'm not sure, but it wasn't accurate.
Um, and I thought to myself,well, maybe I should have just
kind of been more assertive atthe hospital or so on.
(50:41):
Um, but this one kid that isstruggling with mental health,
um, he, he was our first adoptedson and he's kind of on a
journey of belonging.
And and I said to him, I saidyou know, maybe you're going
through this because in thefuture you're going to be able
to help reach people whostruggle with depression and
(51:03):
anxiety, because I haven't, Ihaven't struggled with
depression.
I mean, I might get nervous,but I haven't, I've been lucky I
haven't suffered withdepression, I said but you know
there's people out there thatyou know that can actually offer
a lot of good and a lot ofhealing because they've been
(51:24):
there themselves.
Um, I think sometimes peoplewho are going through something
difficult um want to know thatthe other person that's giving
them advice knows what they'retalking about, and so that's.
I was just thinking of that asan example.
Like that, maybe future downthe line, like his calling is to
(51:45):
help those that are in thosedark spaces, because he knows
what it feels like, um, so yeah,each of the children I think my
children I kind of have an idea.
I mean, it's only my own idea,I'm not saying that that is it,
but I feel like each of themhave got different experiences,
(52:07):
different perspectives, and Ifeel like they've all got
something good to bring in theworld.
My son is actually serving amission in Orlando, florida, at
the moment, and the first weekhe was there, you know, there
was the hurricane and there wasa lot of cleanup afterwards.
There was the hurricane andthere was a lot of cleanup
afterwards.
And when we did a FaceTimeafter the few weeks after the
(52:29):
hurricane, he's like mom, I lovecharity work and I'm like boom
success.
But he needed to go and help ina hurricane to figure that, you
know.
And so my hope is all of them,all my kids, will be charitable
and we'll go out and dosomething good in the world.
That's my hope for my kids,yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
That's fantastic.
Unfortunately, we're runningout of time.
I think we need to do a partone, part two.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
I have a feeling she has a few more stories I know.
I would love to hear.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
And only if they were appropriate.
And again, I wish we had timeright now.
But now I'm curious, like thisman in New Zealand that you
talked to and you gave him twoor three stories of why you
believe God is real, Like I wantthose now, whether they're on
air or off.
Okay yeah, those, I'm socurious as to what those stories
were.
Because I'm so curious as towhat those stories were.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
If you'd be willing to come back.
Speaker 2 (53:25):
I think both Corey and I and everybody listening we
would love to have you back,although I know your time is
precious with all your kids andeverything you do.
Speaker 3 (53:32):
No, I'd be happy to come back.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
That'd be awesome.
There's so much we haven'ttalked about, I know.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
Right.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Well, I think this was the getting to know you
phase.
Face is the getting know yourpodcast, and then, uh.
So what I want to do is I don'twant to leave.
I don't want to leave this um,this dangling, because if I'm
listening to this podcast andI'm hearing that there's this
need in my community and whetherit's in Ogden, Utah, or New
(54:01):
Zealand, or Atlanta, Georgia orPhiladelphia, it's probably
everywhere and there's kids thatneed this empathy and love and
action, Are there organizationsthat people can contact that are
(54:23):
helping to fill this need?
Can they contact yourorganization?
I want to give somebody anoutlet If they say can I write a
check?
Can I volunteer?
Can I like my experience withFeed the Gap, or am I saying
that right?
Speaker 3 (54:44):
In New Zealand it's Feed's feed the need.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
Well, here with the Rotary Club feed the gap.
That was kind of a core memoryfor me to take my kids and do
that, and that was probably Idon't know eight years ago okay
that was a great opportunity.
Um, how do people get involved?
How do they help?
How do they help theorganizations that you are
(55:06):
currently spearheading Like?
I want to give people an outletto like, if you've been
prompted while you've beenlistening to do something, tell
them what they can do.
Speaker 3 (55:18):
So here the organization that I direct is
reachouttodayorg.
It's 100% volunteer-based, sono one gets paid, so every cent
that is donated, so if someonewrites a $100 check, every cent
will go to the need.
People can specify what theywant that to go to, so they can
look at our different programsand say I want that to go to
(55:38):
here or I want that to go tothere, which is kind of cool.
And so now they can be restassured to know that that will
go directly to where they chooseso can they venmo you yeah,
yeah.
So on the website, um, there's avenmo link, um, and then there
are other great organizationsout there who are doing amazing
things.
I think, wherever you are like,whichever state you're in,
(56:00):
whichever city you're in, I mean, you could actually also just
do your own thing if you wantedto.
There was um, uh, someone who'dheard my story felt inspired to
go and uh into one of theschools and give them a thousand
dollar check and say use itwhatever you need to use it, and
um, and what I love I knowwe've run out of time, but what
(56:22):
I love is how, when people hearstories and are moved, they go
on and do some incredible things.
And I remember getting emailsback saying I saw your story and
I decided to go to Mongolia anddonate an ambulance random but
brilliant and there was just allthese different stories of
people going out doing amazingstuff around the world.
(56:44):
So I don't think it necessarilyhas to be, you know, I don't
know.
I just feel like we can all dogood.
Whether it's big or small, wecan all make a difference, and
whether we go out and talk toschools, dcfs, whatever, or we
go and connect withorganizations who are on the
ground doing the work.
(57:04):
There's options out there.
You know, even if we've onlygot like an hour spare a week,
there's going to be people whoneed that hour off you to be
able to do something good.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
How do people continue to get inspired by you,
carrie?
So, like, how do they accessyour book, or books Like, where
do we go for that?
Speaker 3 (57:26):
Yeah, we didn't even talk about the book I know.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
I know, but we can get into that one next time, but
let's give them if they want toread more about you and your
story and and what, what youknow.
Where do they go to find that?
Speaker 3 (57:37):
Okay, so the only thing that's been published
right now is in a book calledthe not so secret lives of real
Mormon wives and and I've got asection in there which talks
about a little bit about Feedthe Need and outreach out today
and a little bit of just mychildhood and where I came from,
my parents and siblings and soforth.
There is another book coming,but it hasn't been published yet
(57:58):
.
Speaker 1 (57:59):
But I'll let you know when that comes out, perfect,
okay, so at the end of everypodcast and we've had women on
the podcast before, so you canmodify this question for
yourself with it being thegentlemen project podcast, we
believe that gentlemen are kindof.
(58:20):
You know, the best of the bestof us and you would be
considered a lady in every senseof the word If I was to use
lady as a synonym for gentlemen.
So what do you think it meansto be a lady or a gentleman?
Speaker 3 (58:36):
Um, I feel that women have a little bit of something.
Um, that women have a littlebit of something that comes a
little bit more natural.
I think I can't speak foreveryone.
Speaker 2 (58:49):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (58:49):
But I feel like we have been given that little
extra dose of compassion, littlebit of dose of should I say
selflessness.
I think, as mothers, you haveto, you have to kind of do it,
and I think that men arecompletely capable to have all
that if they open their eyes andtake action and do something.
(59:11):
Um, and so I was talking toCorey earlier just about my own
husband and how you know there'sthings which he's struggled
with.
You know, having all thedonations come into the garage
which has has been organised andlabelled, then all this stuff
arrives and so on.
I mean there's a long list, andso you know.
But then when he's gone andhe's, you know, witnessed like
(59:33):
you did with your kids eightyears ago with the Rotary, it
changes you, and I think thatthese moments have changed him
and made him want to be morecharitable, want to be more
giving, want to be more giving,want to be more compassionate,
and so I think, for all of us, Ithink that that's within us,
and so to be a lady, I thinkit's to embrace those in need
(01:00:00):
and give them love that they maynever have had, and to show
kindness and gentleness.
Is there even a word?
Um, yeah, and just show somecompassion.
There's enough hate in thisworld, there's enough confusion,
there's enough um, discord, youknow, and so I think it's up to
(01:00:26):
us to bring that goodness intothe world wherever we are,
whether we're in a coffee shopor whether we're in a restaurant
, whether you're in a buildingand you, you know, like I walked
past somebody who was a cleanerin a building and I just asked
how her day was and she wasreally confused why I was asking
her and she said, oh, no one'sasked me that before.
(01:00:47):
I think we can just kind oflike I'm not putting myself on a
pedestal, I'm not.
I'm using that story just tokind of illustrate that,
wherever we are, there areopportunities to just let people
know that they're seen.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
It's a great answer.
Thank you so much.
I just don't want to end it,but we're going to have to end
it.
You're amazing.
Thank you so much for your time.
Thanks for being an amazinghuman and for always showing the
kindness that you're talkingabout to to those around you in
the world.
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Thank you for what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
So, everybody, if you've felt a prompting today,
act on it.
Hey, carrie, yeah, thanks foryour example.
Thanks for spending some timewith us today.
If you like this podcast, sendit to somebody you love.
I'm Kirk Chug.
Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
I'm Corey Moore.
I'll see you next time.
I'm Mike Pearson.
I'll see you next time.
I'm Mike Pearson.
I'll see you next time.
I'm Mike Pearson.
I'll see you next time.
I'm Mike Pearson.
I'll see you next time.
I'm Mike Pearson.
I'll see you next time.
I'm Mike Pearson.
I'll see you next time.
I'm Mike Pearson.
I'll see you next time.
Welcome to the Gentleman Project Podcast.
I'm Kirk Chug.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
And I'm Corey Moore.
Today in the studio we haveKeri Owen, who I met.
How long ago now?
Maybe a couple years?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
It was about five years ago.
Was it that long About?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
five years ago.
She remembers better than I doAbout five years ago.
She remembers better than I doCarrie in fact, I just sent a
video before the podcast thislast weekend introduced Kirk to
Carrie via video and he watchedthe video and saw some of the
things that she's done in herlife and sent it to like a dozen
people.
Yeah, and he said, is she likethe modern day Mother Teresa?
(00:41):
I said, well, maybe prettyclose.
So we love her, we think she'samazing.
I'm going to give you a littlebit of her bio and then we'll
get into it more by just talkingabout her experiences and the
things that make her who she is.
So Carrie is a mother of five,which is awesome, and she has
(01:01):
really tackled some major issuesin her life that are important,
like poverty, food insecurity,and has inspired many
communities and many people,myself included, in the United
States and in New Zealand, andshe is the founder of Feed the
Need charity in New Zealand,which I think we'll talk a
(01:21):
little bit about today, which Iwas blown away by that story the
first time I heard it.
She also leads in Utah, reachOut Today, which is a nonprofit
dedicated to serving vulnerablechildren, youth and refugees we
can talk a little bit about thatlikely today and has some just
amazing stories and a lady whoreally does follow what she
(01:43):
feels God is telling her, whichI'm inspired by.
In fact, a little tidbit I kindof like this it's cool is she
was awarded the member of theNew Zealand Order of Merit by
Queen Elizabeth II for hercontributions to children's
welfare.
That's a pretty big thing tohave happen to you.
(02:04):
So, carrie, sorry I'm going tobe quiet.
now we're going to ask you lotsof questions and and about your
life and um, about why you havea heart that gives back so much.
That's great, that's great.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
So Carrie?
Um, based on the bio and thethings that if I was listening
to this podcast I'd be like,okay, who is this lady?
How do you identify Carrie Owen?
What's the first thing thatcomes to mind when you think
about yourself?
Is it a charitable person or isit mother?
(02:41):
How do you identify as whensomeone says who's Carrie Owen?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I feel like my main role is a mother and I was
talking earlier with Corey andhow I feel like obviously I have
the five children of my own, towhom we adopted and, you know,
absolutely adore them.
But also I feel this feeling ofmotherhood to, like all the
(03:10):
children out there, especiallythe ones that haven't had that
mother's touch, like I reallytry to find opportunities to let
these children know that I lovethem and I might not know what
you you know, activities theylike to do, what food they like
to do.
I don't know anything abouttheir lives, but I know that I
(03:33):
love them and I want them toknow that and that's a big drive
for me.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I know, based on the story that I've heard of Feed
the Need and the origin story ofthat, that, that is absolutely
true.
Heard of Feed the Need and theorigin story of that, that that
is absolutely true.
Would you tell some of ourlisteners how Feed the Need
started in New Zealand and,overall, the change that
happened in the system to makesure that the children in New
Zealand were being fed and takencare of?
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Okay, well, I wasn't expecting this turn of events,
but I ended up having a dream,and in the initial dream I saw
children that were going hungry,thousands and thousands of
children that were going hungry.
At that time, when we'd movedfrom England to New Zealand,
(04:20):
we'd taken our English TV and wecouldn't connect it to the New
Zealand TV, and so we had noidea of the news or what was
happening.
But having this dream opened myeyes to the suffering, and I
felt the next morning that I hadfound my calling in life.
(04:41):
But then I got busy and thoughtwell, you know, I'm juggling a
lot as it is, you know, I'm noteven a New Zealander, how do I
even go about doing these things?
And so I kind of let time slipaway a little bit.
But then a second dream came,and that dream.
(05:02):
But then a second dream came,and that dream I saw the same
children as I had before, and,and that was the moment where I
felt like, okay, no more timecan go under the bridge, I need
to take action.
And it's a funny thing, thesedreams, because I'm very aware
of what's happening in thosedreams, and I recently heard an
(05:25):
interview with a Harvardprofessor, professor of sleep
and he was talking about luciddreaming and the way he was
describing it.
I'm like that's what it was.
That's what it was, and Iactually contacted this
professor.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Because I was really curious.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
And he sent me a book and it just really helped me
kind of understand that this isactually something and just one
little thing that I read in thatbook.
It was talking about people whohave lost her hearing or lost
partial hearing have more luciddreams.
I actually went deaf in my rightear oh, no kidding and I was
like whoa, I never knew thatreally um, and so that's just a
(06:07):
little thing on the side, but,um, I feel like these dreams
came from a loving heavenlyfather who knows each and
everyone and knows um people'strials, and he knew these
children and what they weregoing through.
And I will never forget thehopelessness that I saw in that
(06:32):
dream, and that was probably thesaddest thing of all, because I
think you know those that aregoing without, especially
children.
You know they're in survivalmode, but to lose hope is like
losing everything.
What's the point?
And so I really felt like,along with this food, that it
(06:53):
was really important that thesechildren know that there are
people out there that care forthem, even if they haven't got
that care at home or they'vebeen removed from family or if
they've gone through neglect andabuse.
That I was hoping that myembraces they would be able to
feel Jesus' embrace.
And so you know, whether it wasin a school assembly or
(07:19):
anywhere, I would take everyopportunity to tell them that I
love them.
And I know that some of themheard that, because I got
letters, and there was oneletter which I think my husband
has hid from me because I can'tfind it after all these years,
but in this letter there was apicture of a woman which I
(07:40):
realised was me, with all colourand flowers, sunshine, blue sky
.
And then, on the left-hand side, was this child black and white
clouds, rain, sadness.
And this child said when youtold us you loved us, that was
the first time I've been toldthat.
Um, please don't forget me,please don't forget me, please
(08:02):
don't forget me.
I'll never forget.
Forget me, please don't forgetme.
I'll never forget you.
I'll never forget you, I'llnever forget you.
And I tried to search for thatchild, because it didn't say
which room they were in, youknow.
And so I never found that child.
But there is a little bit of afollow-on story.
But I know that everyopportunity that I have that's
(08:26):
an important part of it not justto provide the need, whether
it's clothing, food, hygieneitems or so on, but also to let
them know that they're cared forand so reminding them back a
little bit how to feed the needhappen.
And so, basically, I convincedmy husband that we use our
savings and that we find a unitand I build a kitchen in it, and
that I, and you know, try andfind these kids that I saw in my
(08:50):
dreams.
Um, but it wasn't kind of aseasy as I thought it was going
to be.
Um one to convince my husband,and then secondly, um, you know,
to do it with, you know, threechildren in tow, and then to
find out that we were selectedto adopt, and so I had a baby in
(09:12):
my little pouch, and so it waslike, okay, we're gonna, we're
gonna do this.
But I still didn't know wherethe children were from my dreams
, and so what I did initiallywas just approach local schools,
asked if there were anyfamilies that were struggling
and that I could provide theirlunches, and so I'd just drop
off the lunches to those schoolsand then eventually, on the way
(09:36):
to go and visit our adopteddaughter's biological family for
a visit, we were driving downthe highway and I looked out and
I said to my husband, where arewe?
And so he said the place we'reat, and it was called Otara in
South Auckland, and I said thisis where the children are, this
(10:00):
is where they are, and so thenit was a case of trying to get
gain their trust, theprincipal's trust, that I'm here
to stay, um, and so I missedout the third dream, and so this
is where I'll bring it in.
So, basically, I had a thirddream, and in my third dream I
was dressed all posh andeveryone was dressed really
(10:23):
nicely, and we were in thisgovernment building of New
Zealand and I saw these bigbrown doors and there was this
Maori man that was stood next tothe door and he was holding
some keys and he gestured for meto come and walk through that
door and there was no wordspoken.
(10:43):
I just went, he opened this doorwith those keys and as I walked
through I walked into thisbright light and that was the
end of my dream.
Well, sometime later, before Igot to that point where I was
ready to get into the area thatI knew where the children were,
I saw this man at a conference,stood on one of the seats, on
(11:06):
the pews, and I said to myhusband that's the man from my
dream.
And so I managed to find outhis phone number and name.
But then I had to pluck up mycourage to call him, because you
know, it's kind of unusual tosay, hey, I had a dream about
you, and so I took my time.
(11:26):
But this one day I felt likeI've got to do it and so I gave
him a call and um, I said, oh,um, you don't know me.
My my name's Kerry Erin.
And he said oh, I've beenwaiting for your call, and at
that time, the only people thatknew my dreams were my family,
(11:46):
one friend and my husband, andso I was initially kind of
dumbfounded like why would he be?
waiting for my call and then Ijust said have you had a dream
about me?
So I hadn't even told him I'dhad a dream about him at this
point and so I said, oh, haveyou had a dream about me?
And he said I have.
So I thought, okay, I'm goingto test this.
(12:06):
So I said what did?
Can I ask what you dreamt?
And he said yeah.
He said I was, um, basically.
He said I saw an image of awhite woman and he said are you
blonde?
I said yeah, I mean I havehighlights, but yeah and um, he
was just like okay.
And he said you were holding ababy.
I was like oh yeah, we've justadopted a baby girl.
(12:27):
And he was like okay.
He said, well, I saw you in thegovernment building of New
Zealand.
And that was like whoa.
And he said, and you know, hesaid I stood at this door
holding some keys.
And he said and as you walkedthrough this door, you walked
into a bright light.
So it was like exactly yeah.
(12:47):
And so he was just like I thinkwe need to meet, and I said,
yeah, I think.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
You think?
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Yeah, and so that was .
I came downstairs after thatphone call and I said to Matt,
you never, that's my husband.
I said you'll never guess whatjust happened.
He was like, okay, what?
I'm like, what you just, youjust never will guess what
happened.
And he was like okay, are yougonna tell me?
And I just kept saying it overand over you'll never guess what
happened, because it's notevery day.
Two people have the same, youknow, have the same dream and
(13:15):
see each other in the dreams.
Um, and it's never happened,since it's one in a lifetime.
It's amazing.
And so from there he came overwith his wife and there was a
little bit more to thatconversation, but basically it
turned out that he was a Kamatra, which is a Maori chief, and so
(13:38):
I asked him.
I said you know why would yoube in the government building?
And he said, oh, I work for thegovernment, I do work for the
government for Maori health,said, oh, I work for the
government, I do work for thegovernment for Maori health.
And I'm like, oh, okay, sothere was some synergy there and
anyway, we had an amazingconversation and I was really
glad that my husband could hearit and feel it, because I think
(13:58):
he was going along with you, Ithink he believed in my dreams,
but I think it's a lot to youknow, I think it just helped
having that another person talkabout this and you know that
this is our purpose, this iswhat I need to do, and so he was
(14:19):
very supportive after that.
And then it was just a case of,okay, we need to get another
space that we could build akitchen in in South Auckland,
and so I ended up reaching outto the Salvation Army and met
with one of their directors andthey agreed to the space, and
then it kind of went from thereand we kind of had this
partnership which worked reallywell.
(14:41):
And then this Maori man.
He said I can get us into theschools.
And he said I'll get you into aMaori school which is called a
kora.
And someone has asked me thisbefore are you, are they
separated from the whites?
I said, um, they choose to be.
They want to have their ownlanguage, they want to.
(15:02):
They don't want that lost,which I totally agree with.
It's a beautiful language.
I miss hearing it every day.
But um, yeah, so he actuallyapproached one of the curlers
and said you know, this is.
I want to just tell you thestory.
And so they had me come in andjust before we went in, not long
(15:25):
before we went in, he asked me.
He said you need to share yourdreams with them.
And I was like, oh no, we, Idon't do that.
Um, no, that's not what I do.
And um, he said, trust me, youneed to share your dreams with
them.
Um, so when it was time for meto stand up, I awkwardly said hi
, my name's Kerry.
And then, as soon as I startedtalking about the dreams, they
(15:50):
all leaned forward and listenedand I was realized in that
moment this is their language,like I'm talking their language.
And so they gave permission andactually the principal gave the
phrase well, kerry, you havenow adopted 183 children, which
(16:10):
were the children in the car,and that meant something to me,
because we'd adopted twice.
You know, that was kind of likeand that's how I do feel about
children in general Just like Ijust want to like, hug them all
and, you know, look after themand yeah, so, yeah.
So that was the beginning sofeed the need.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Just so that I understand this and I think
maybe a lot of other peoplelistening to the podcast in in
the schools they are notprovided a lunch like we are
used to here in the states soright.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
So basically, when I moved to New Zealand, I'd moved
from England where there was asystem like there is here.
So my dad had been raised usingthat system.
Um, and you know, um, you know,it was like I just thought that
was everywhere.
I know that's naive, but Ithought when we moved to New
Zealand you know it's part ofthe Commonwealth and I thought
(17:03):
that that service would would bethere I chose to make my kids
like lunch boxes that they takeevery day.
I never even questioned thatthere wasn't food, and so when
the dream came, I was like, oh,so I kind of did a bit of
research.
We didn't have a tv.
I'm like, okay, so I did a bitof research, and that's when I
realized, oh, there's notactually a system in place, so,
(17:24):
like, these kids will just gohungry all day, and so that was
the case at the beginning.
Um, and I ended up, um, so theMaori man's daughter, laurie
she's actually trained as anutritionalist and we ended up
working very closely together,um, and ended up getting a lot
of people, a lot of people, alot of people volunteering, a
(17:44):
lot of people that, thankfully,you know, believed in my dreams
and wanted to, you know help.
But one day I met this womanwho was in the political arena
and we had an amazingconversation and she was also
very passionate about helpingthose that were struggling in
poverty.
(18:04):
And we just talked aboutpassionate about helping those
that were struggling in poverty,and we just talked about food
in schools and I said, well, youknow, I really feel like you're
that person that can make ithappen.
And she ended up serving on ourboard and eventually becoming
prime minister and not longafter she was prime minister,
she brought in the food inschools.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
That's amazing.
So that was incredible.
Yeah, so you started that scene.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Well, I think you know she she agreed with it.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
You created awareness .
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Yes, I do, I do.
Well, there was a show calledthe Sunday show and um, where I
was interviewed and askedquestions, and I definitely
think that it started a nationalconversation for sure yeah, and
now.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
School lunch is provided in New Zealand for all
school children yes, there'sbeen some changes with the
change of government.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
You know how you see the different changes coming in,
and so I'm not quite sure howthat's going to look.
But yeah, there is a foodsystem in schools.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah, so that's yeah, that's a real relief.
Thank you, that's an amazingaccomplishment.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
There's probably still lots of children who
obviously go without food in theworld, especially third world
countries.
Give us an overview of that,like do you, are there other
places where kids aren't gettingfed when they're in school?
Speaker 3 (19:30):
I mean, besides those who aren't going to school and
living in places where thereisn't an infrastructure well, I
mean in new zealand I know thatstill it's a struggle on the
weekends and school holidays umto access food and so Feed the
Need still carries on andprovides food for those times.
(19:52):
And obviously across the worldyou see images.
I remember, you know, as achild being very sort of drawn
to images on the news and kindof losing sleep over it.
And I think something thatprobably I struggle with is I
want to fix everything and like,but we can't.
(20:14):
But we can make a differencewhere we are and we can do a lot
more than we think we'reprobably capable of.
I think most people would havethought I was justified to think
.
I'm busy Totally.
I've already got this going on,I've got my health struggles,
and I think sometimes we tellourselves we're too busy.
(20:36):
But I really do feel like forme anyway that I feel everyone
has a purpose and that, you know, with God's help we can do
great good yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I have to say I imagine that's why God speaks to
you the way he does.
I mean, not everyone getsdreams, but everyone is spoken
to in one way or another.
Maybe you should tell us,instead of me hypothesizing,
what it is.
But why do you think God hasgiven you these dreams and has
talked to you so much about howyou can help others?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I don't know, I actually don't know.
People will say, oh, I wish Ihad dreams like that.
But you know, I sort of feellike, oh, it's, it's like
something that comes with aresponsibility and it's actually
a huge burden.
Um, and the three dreams that Ihad in New Zealand were really
(21:37):
just the beginning, and so whenI do have a dream, it's like
I've got another rucksack on myback.
Is that what you call them?
yeah, it looks like on my backfull of rocks, and you just got
to keep going, keep carrying on.
And I said in that interviewthat you'd seen the other day, I
(21:59):
do get tired.
I get tired and sometimes feellike it's just too much, but I
think it's because there's alsothat sort of I don't know how to
put it I feel a lot of likecompassion, empathy, I don't
know, and that's what probablydrives me but also burdens me,
(22:26):
because I just want to fix itnow, get there, now you know,
and yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
I believe it's because you act on the
promptings.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, that's what I was going to say too, god's
given it to you, even thoughthere are rock sacks, maybe I
should stop.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
You're changing lives , individual lives in a major
way and whole nations in a way.
So talk to us about whatbrought you to Utah and what
inspired you to help thechildren here.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Okay.
So, um, I had a dream, surprise, surprise.
And in that dream, um, I sawthis house on the top of a hill,
um, and there was pine trees,um, outside the house it was
like a white fence fencingoutside the house.
It was like a white fencefencing and this was.
(23:19):
I began searching for thishouse in New Zealand I didn't
know where it was.
Every new building estate I'dbe going there talking to the
builders Like, so what's thestyle of the house, is that
going to be built?
Because I had this picture ofwhat it was.
And eventually, a few yearslater, I was back in this place,
(23:40):
outside the same house that Idreamt on years earlier, and I
said, father, where is this?
And I was told to turn around.
And when I looked opposite,there was a cul-de-sac opposite
and there was an American flagflying.
And I was was like no way, I'mnot moving again.
Side of the world and that wasmy initial reaction I don't want
(24:03):
to move, I don't want me, Ididn't want to move just because
I just love new zealand, andbut that's I said to matt.
Okay, you know that dream thatI had.
Well, it's in america, I don'tknow where in america.
Again, there's a long story,but eventually we found
ourselves at the top of thishill with a white picket fence
outside and pine trees andopposite a flagpole.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
In a cul-de-sac, in a cul-de-sac, yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
So I know that was why.
Well, we were meant to be here,but I didn't know why.
And so when we first arrivedhere, I was praying about like,
okay, what are we doing here?
Is there even any need?
You know, because in theneighborhood that we've bought
into, you know everyone's doingwell.
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But within a few weeks of beingin that home, the dreams began,
and so I knew that okay, yeah.
And so I was actuallyapproached.
I've got a cousin that liveshere and he and a friend of his
had set up Reach Out Today, a501c3.
And they'd actually approachedme and said, like, with all your
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experience in New Zealand,could you do this?
You know we can't pay you, butyou know you'd do an amazing job
, you know sort of thing.
And I said, well, let me thinkabout it.
But then, once the dreams began, I'm like okay, because it was
almost like it was there, givento me, you know, and it was like
, okay, this is what I need todo you did move from New Zealand
, so yeah, was that the onlyreason that you moved from New
(25:38):
Zealand?
yeah, wow, so my husbandactually um at work.
So the following day after I'dhad that dream about this house
and the American flag, and thefollowing day, matt went into
work and his boss was Americanand he said oh, have you ever
thought about you know, workingin America?
Yeah, that was the first timeand he was just like before.
(25:58):
He'd always said no, butbecause of you know, he was like
yeah, I'm open to it and your,your husband's, british he is.
Yeah, we're both British, yeah,yeah, um.
And so we actually um, had ourfirst child in England.
We adopted our second child inEngland and then moved over to
New Zealand and then had anotherchild, naturally, adopted
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another child and then hadanother child.
I was like, okay, where do I,where can I find the need?
And I thought, okay, in EnglandI went into the schools.
You know, they know, theteachers know, the school
counsellors know what the dealis.
And so the first schooldistrict I went to was the
Granite School District, andthen the next one was Ogden, and
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then you know, one afteranother, and what I've learned
over all the years is if you goin with a pen and paper, you can
fill that pad of paper withneeds.
So, for example, up in Ogden,one of the school counsellors
said to me you know, we have alot of kids in my school that
are transient, as in um, movingfrom foster home back to
(27:07):
grandmother, to mom, toboyfriend.
You know there's a lot ofmovement, um, and I have on
average this is what the schoolcounsellor said 45 kids that
soil or wet themselves per week.
And he said and I'm using mytime going off to the laundromat
trying to get their clothescleaned, instead of using my
time to help.
You know, give them counselingand so forth and help them.
(27:31):
And so that was kind of thefirst thing we did.
We started, um, providingclothing, Um, and then it was
the first thing we did, westarted providing clothing.
And then it was just one thingafter another.
So, for example, one of thecounsellors said you know, we
had this boy come to the officesaying that he's sharing a
toothbrush with his dad and hisbrother, and could he have a
toothbrush?
And I'm like, oh, my goodnessright.
So we started putting togetherthese hygiene packs.
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We started the pop-up salons.
I'm not a hairdresser, you won'ttrust me, but um, they asked,
and so I was like okay, and soyou know.
Thankfully I found somehairdressers what do you call
them hairstylists here?
sorry, neither um, and who werewilling to come do two hour
(28:13):
block, and that was anincredible experience.
Just one of the lads that I waswashing his hair.
Um, he said to me I don't thinkI've had my hair washed for two
years and I was like really,and I said why is that?
And he said, well, there's 13of us 13 of us in the trailer
and there's never hot water,there's never shampoo.
(28:34):
And I wasn't not sure if Ibelieved it because I'm like two
years is a long time.
As I'm washing him, I wasn'twearing gloves.
That was the first time I did apop-up salon.
I've always worn gloves since ummy hands, like I could not, I
could not get rid of the smellfor like two or three days and I
was using everything, and so Ibelieved him, like I was like
this was for real but this youngman was like walking down the
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corridor, he had long hair andhe was just feeling like a
million dollars and it was justlike.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
This is what it's all about, you know yeah, I
remember when you first told methat story and I just was a
little bit in shock.
We're talking about yourbackyard right now.
Yeah, I'm not talking aboutwhere both Corey and I grew up.
Yeah, exactly Ogden.
Oh okay, he lives in NorthOgden.
I grew up yeah, exactly Ogden.
Oh okay, I didn't know that helives in North Ogden.
I grew up there.
So I remember when you told methis story the first time and
(29:23):
there's more of the story but Ijust thought, wait, in our
backyard, I got to help withthis.
This is nuts.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
I remember the Ogden Rotary Club had a fill the need
I think it's what they called itduring the summertime and we
would go and help.
They'd bring food from thepantry and Catholic community
services and LDS family servicesat the pantry, the Bishop
storehouse would bring food tothe parking lot of the school so
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that the families could come upand pick up enough food for
them to get through the weekend,because they depended so much
on the school lunch and theschool breakfast program Because
a lot of times they would eatschool lunch and they wouldn't
eat again until they came toschool the next morning.
And when you have no school inthe summertime, there's just
this huge gap.
And I remember taking my kidsto that and standing in the
(30:15):
parking lot and being able tolike explain to them like this
box of cereal is their breakfastfor the weekend and they'll
come back again next week.
And I remember just likewatching my kids realize that
this was happening in theirbackyard.
And so some of the programsthat you're working on now here
(30:39):
in the state of utah, tell usabout those, um, and because I
know that there's severaldifferent uh emphases that
you're that you're making andsome of them is transitional
housing and and things like that.
So tell us a little bit aboutsome of the things that you're
working on right now.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
So one of the programs is Feed the Gap, which
you were just kind of talkingabout, and as you were talking,
it reminded me of a story thatactually took place up in Ogden
where somebody noticed thatsomeone was on their property
and phoned the police.
Police came over and found thatthere was this woman with her
two young children going throughtrash cans trying to find food.
(31:18):
And so that was actually inOgden and um, and that was kind
of like whoa, is it that bad?
Like to go through people'strash trash cans trying to find
food?
Um, so we do feed the gap,which is we have pantry packs
and we have meal packs and wehave snack packs, um, and so,
(31:40):
yeah, we'll bring those and dropthem off to school districts
and it'll just kind of um, be intheir pantries.
Um, there was another time thiswas in the uh, actually I can't
remember what district, sorry,but there was um another um
school that told us of a boythat moved into the school
(32:01):
district and had gone into thepantry and had started crying
straight away when he was toldhe can just fill up the bag and
he just carried on crying andthey were like trying to
understand why he was crying andhe said can I get food for my
sister?
That's what he said.
And, um, they said yeah, and hewas like okay, and then he just
(32:24):
kept crying and crying.
As he was filling the, he got abag for his sister back from
him and he was filling up thesebags and and then eventually
they heard the story and thislittle boy had been asked by his
mom.
She was a single mom and she wasstruggling and she said we have
to choose between food thiswinter or heating.
I'm going to let you make thechoice, which is so sad for a
(32:49):
little, you know, seven-year-oldboy to have to think about.
And um, and this boy saidheating, he wanted to be warm.
And so she said, well, okay,when I'm out of work, you'll
need to try and find some foodfrom the neighbors or wherever.
That's going to be your thingto try and find food for you.
It's you and your sister, andso the burden that little boy
(33:11):
would have had, you know, um,like I've never forgot that
story and I think kind of whatlike really hit me was it was
like 15 minutes from my house,you know like I pulled up.
Yeah, wakes you up a little bityeah and you're just like gosh,
we've been given so much and yetthere's a struggling mother
(33:32):
who's asking her seven-year-oldto make a choice between heating
or food, and yeah, so thesepantries, like, are really
important, and so we do feed thegap to help those pantries.
You know, have enough for thedemand.
We do, um, um, we do so many.
(33:54):
That's the problem, okay, so wedo close the gap, um, and so,
yeah, trying to get clothing forthem, um, and then we do hide
in the gap and so that, um, yeah, like I said about the
toothbrush, and so we have allsorts shampoos, conditions,
deodorants, um, sometimes, um,like combs, hairbrushes,
(34:16):
toothpaste, yeah, you know allsorts.
And then we have done likewashing powder, like laundry
detergent, and then we have thetransition gap, which is where I
met Corey.
And so at the beginning, when Ifirst came here, like I said, I
went to the schools.
Well, I also went and met withDCFS and I met with Utah foster
(34:40):
care and I met with differentorganizations, anyone that's
working with kids.
I kind of wanted to talk tothem, just find out if there was
any gaps and if I could doanything to help.
I didn't promise anythingbecause it was just me, but like
I just kind of wanted to know,um, and when I met with DCFS
they just said, you know, likeoften when youth age out of
(35:00):
foster care, um, they're sick ofthe system, they want to be out
, they want to be independent.
But six to twelve months downthe road they're in desperate
situations.
They may have gone back tobiological family hoping that
they could, you know, workthings out, but it doesn't work
out.
They might go back to previousfoster carers, but they're
(35:22):
fostering new kids and they canonly shelter them for a few days
or a week or so, and so a lotof these youth end up homeless,
um, end up, you know, umincarcerated, um taking drugs
and so forth, and the statisticsare like really high, you know.
And I just thought they reallydon't have a chance, you know.
(35:45):
And so they were just talkingabout an organisation called
Milestone, which is run throughSalt Lake County, and how they
have these wraparound servicesfor these youth.
They help them with everything,whether it's getting their
social security number, whetherit's like applying for an
interview if they need a suit,you know, and just actually also
(36:05):
having like housing for them,so then they can have a period
of time after they age out offoster care that they can try
and thrive with the wraparoundcare.
And when I met with MilestoneMinna, who's directing it, um,
she said to me we are turningaway youth every week because we
don't have enough housing.
And I'm like thinking becauseone of the dreams was about this
(36:32):
and I just thought we need todo more.
We need to do more for theseyouth.
They've already had a roughupbringing.
Maybe they've never been toldthey're loved, you know, um,
maybe they've experienced stuffthat we can't even imagine.
And then, as a society, we'resaying okay, off you go.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
As a society, we're saying okay, off you go.
Yeah, good luck.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Yeah, and then we wonder why we have homelessness,
why we have these issues, andso I really felt, when she said
that, I was like, right, okay,this is something to work on.
And that's when the projectbegan 2018.
And so it was just kind of acase of like okay, who do I go
(37:19):
to, who do I talk to?
And so on.
Ended up talking to Corey andyou felt as passionate about
this as myself and wanted to dosomething, wanted to be involved
.
You know, we talked about maybebuying land building something
or maybe renovating something.
Um, you know we talked aboutmaybe buying land building
something or maybe renovatingsomething.
Um, and then ended up doingsome speeches to the salt lake
(37:41):
rotary and boom, they're amazing, if you want anything done, go
to them.
Um, and so did a few speecheswith them and they were like,
yeah, we want to do this, and soit really was a collaborative
thing.
And I would say the same in NewZealand it was a collaborative
thing.
I think, like when you want toget something done, you have to
(38:03):
find like-minded people and youknow, together you're stronger
and you're able to make adifference.
And so the Salt Lake Rotaryalong you know, some other great
people and Corey's big D checkat the beginning.
She's giving me too much credit.
So, yeah, it kind of madethings happen.
(38:26):
And so now last year, last June, they did the ribbon cutting
Beautiful building, Beautifulbuilding.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Tell us about it.
What is it, how many does itserve?
Speaker 3 (38:37):
and so it's in mill creek it has nine apartments and
, um, there's three bedrooms ineach apartment, um, and what's
cool about it, what's cool aboutmilestone, is that all of them
are employed and, as far as Iknow, nine of them are, are also
(39:01):
in education, higher education,which is gonna help set them up
for life, and they theyanything they need.
You know, they can just go totheir um, so they have people
that live in as well, um, and sothey're, you know, in a
brilliant situation.
(39:21):
You know, I mean, they stillwill have trauma that they have
to go through, they're stillgoing to be troubled in some
ways, but they've got a chanceand actually the statistics for
milestone, for the youth agedout milestone, is good, really
good, and so it just shows to methat, like, if you can offer
wraparound care and if you canoffer, you know, housing for
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that vulnerable space in between, you know, aging out of foster
care and being independent, thenI think there needs to be more
of that, like.
I'd love to see that in everycountry.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
I'm sure they're still turning away here, given
the new housing.
I mean, if you look, at theentire wasatch front.
I'm sure we still have a needyeah what?
What age do they?
Do they um age out of fostercare?
And then, what age do they ageout of milestone?
Speaker 3 (40:11):
so when I spoke to dcfs they said they don't have
to age out at 18 anymore, likethey have shifted that.
But most of them do because theykind of blame the system.
You know, they kind of some ofthem haven't had the best
experience.
I mean I talk about in the bookactually about a girl that I
met who we found out it was herbirthday so we thought we'd
(40:32):
surprise her with a gift andsing happy birthday and she
actually went and crawled undera table and was rocking and
crying and I was confusedbecause I'm like we're here
celebrating your birthday andwhen I went into the table, um,
she said no one's sung me happybirthday before, no one's sung
me happy birthday before, andshe was like scratching her arms
(40:53):
but and blood was coming outand so she just wasn't used to
it, which is like absolutelylike mind blown to me that a
child can go through the systemand never be celebrated, their
birthday never recognized, neverget a present or a gift or know
, you know, know that there isactually people out there that
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care for them.
That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
You've been blessed with an extraordinary amount of
empathy, but I think, inaddition to that, you've been
blessed with the ability to acton your empathy.
And if there's anything I'mtaking away from this today,
it's that when I get whisperedto and when I feel God talks to
(41:37):
me, or like sometimes I say atthe end of the podcast, act on
each good thought.
If we act on those things, thenwe're given more and more
opportunity to feel that,because I don't know about you,
but I think the most satisfyingthings in my life have been
those things that I've beenprompted to do and that I did,
no matter how hard they were.
(41:58):
And I think the more and morewe do that, that's a muscle that
we have to use and grow, and ifwe don't use it we lose it.
And the more we use it, thehappier we become, although in
your case, you've you'veidentified this as almost like a
burden, because it's like Godknows you're going to go do this
(42:18):
.
If he tells you to you, youknow that that's that, that's
your calling, and and what awonderful thing.
I was thinking about this lastnight.
There's very few times in mylife that I feel like I have met
people that know with a suretywhat their life's calling is.
If you think about the peoplethat you interact with and that
(42:44):
you know family, friends,associates, business partners
there's very few of them that Ican look at and say that person
knows why they're here.
I can look at and say thatperson knows why they're here,
like not just like theoretically, but they know for a fact why
(43:04):
God has put them in the placethat they're at right now.
And it's refreshing to findsomebody that that I know, that
you know why you're here, and itinspires me.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
It kind of reminds me of a conversation that I had
with somebody who was in aposition of power in government
in New Zealand and he was also avery successful businessman,
and we ended up he ended uphelping with the charity work
that I did there and vice versa.
(43:40):
And this one day he said to medo you believe in God?
I was like I do.
He was like do you really?
I was like no, I do.
And he was just like, okay,prove to me that God is real.
I was like, oh, okay, and so Ithought I've just got stories.
I'm not going to start doingbible scriptures and stuff, I'm
(44:02):
just going to go with stories.
And so I shared a story withhim and he was just like and he
is like really intelligent, gota million PhDs, like seriously
scientists through and through,very like ultra clever.
I never went to college.
Um, you know, I did struggle atschool.
And so I thought, well, theonly thing I've got is stories,
(44:24):
so we'll go with that.
And so I shared a story withhim and he was like, tell me
another one.
So I was like, okay, so I toldhim another one.
He was like okay, you've got totell me one more.
And he was actually dropping meoff at the airport and he said
I'm going to come into theairport with you.
And so he walked me into theairport and, um, he was just
like okay, it's obvious that youknow you have a calling in life
(44:46):
.
And he said so, what's mine?
And I thought about it and Ithought, because he was a
natural leader, like peoplelooked up to him.
Um, he, you know, would go intoa room and everyone would stop,
like he was that sort of way.
And I said to him I said Ithink you're meant to be a
(45:07):
leader, a righteous leader, andhe was like and he was like I'm
not so righteous, I'm like butyou can work on it like you know
.
That's what I feel like you canbe.
You can be a righteous leader.
And he actually ended upgetting very emotional and he
was crying and he said I don't,if God is real, I don't think he
(45:29):
would love me.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
And I was like he does.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
He does love you and he was like I've made a lot of
mistakes.
I said no, but he'll still loveyou and he said I hope you're
right.
Anyway, as I was walking off tothe plane, he was still crying
and he messaged me later thatday and he said you've given me
a lot to think about, um, andwe're still in contact today, um
, and I hope that.
(45:53):
Uh, I hope that, because Ireally feel like once people
recognize what their calling is,it gives them a clear direction
and you know, when the thingscome as they do with everybody,
all of us you know you havechallenges.
You can kind of still see thatend goal and not be distracted
(46:17):
by things of the world orwhatnot.
You know, you can kind of keepfocused.
He's actually gone on to climbeven higher on the ladder in the
government and is doing greatstuff, so, yeah, so when you
talked about the calling thing,I think most people would like
to know what their calling isand I think they can get the
(46:38):
answer yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
It's an interesting question to maybe ask, like it
took courage for him to ask youwhat do you think my calling is?
Maybe the people that know usbest.
We could ask them that samequestion.
And you know, because I think alot of times we want to know
how the world sees us, becausewe only see ourselves through
our own eyes.
And if you are patient and opento the answer of how does the
(47:06):
world see me?
What are my gifts that I maynot see, that others do, then we
can build on those gifts.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
Yeah, I mean you sent me in the email a list of
questions and so I thought, well, I'll just ask my kids.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
See what they say.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
There were some funny answers.
One of the questions was how doyou connect with your kids?
And I said snuggle, like Ialways snuggle them.
And anyway we had a bit of alaugh because I always say do
you need a snuggle, wuggle, justlike an extra hug?
And you know my kids all withmuslin goals, they know that
(47:41):
they're loved um, but yeah, Ikind of feel like, yeah, if we
go to our families, they'll comeout hopefully with some answers
and there's things that theycame back with that I thought,
oh yeah, that's true, like.
So one of the things it's likeyou know what, um?
One of the questions you askedwas you know, is there anything
that we'd do different?
and so I asked my one son.
He said nothing, you're amazing.
(48:01):
And I asked the next one.
He said stop hugging us as much.
Then I asked the next one andas I was going down the line,
I'm like this is getting worse.
So maybe I was better with thefirst kid.
I don't know, but um, yeah.
So I think, yeah, asking familyand friends um what they think
um our calling is or what ourstrengths are.
(48:22):
I remember being asked um, youknow, what are my gifts in life?
I've been asked that by a youngwoman and who was going through
a difficult time, and I said,well, I don't know because I
don't know you well enough, butlet's talk.
You know, um, but sometimes Ithink, with gifts, you have to
(48:43):
kind of like, also do your part.
So you know, I might have thatdream and then it's like, okay,
that could just be a dream, butyou have to act upon it, you
know, and so you might have aprompting, you know.
However, you know thosefeelings come to you, the you
know, don't suppress a goodthought or whatever.
Like, whenever you have thosesort of things come to you.
(49:04):
Don't suppress a good thoughtor whatever.
Whenever you have those sort ofthings come to you, just kind
of go with it, even if itdoesn't make sense or doesn't
seem logical.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Like move to America because you've got a dream of a
house.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
You might have already answered this question
and what you just said, but Iwant to phrase it to you in a
different way.
If one of your kids came to youand said mom, how do I know
what I'm supposed to do?
How do I know what my callingis in life, what advice would
you give your kids to say here'show you figure that out and
here's what you listen for andlike.
(49:37):
What would you say to them ifthey said, hey, I want to know
what I need to do, like what'smy purpose and I want to connect
in that way?
What would you?
Speaker 3 (49:47):
say to your own kids Well, I think you could probably
agree.
Each of your kids are different.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
True.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
And so, you know, I think each of my kids have
different strengths, and so wehave one of our kids that are
struggling with mental health atthe moment, which is probably
one of the biggest, like one ofthe hardest things as a parent,
um, and so whenever your kid issick, whether it's physical,
mentally or so forth, um, youjust want to fix it.
(50:18):
Um, a couple of years ago, ouryoungest son got scarlet fever
and sepsis and ended up inhospital and you know, you just
think, oh, could I have doneanything different?
Um, he was tested for strep butit was like a negative,
positive, negative, I'm not sure, but it wasn't accurate.
Um, and I thought to myself,well, maybe I should have just
kind of been more assertive atthe hospital or so on.
(50:41):
Um, but this one kid that isstruggling with mental health,
um, he, he was our first adoptedson and he's kind of on a
journey of belonging.
And and I said to him, I saidyou know, maybe you're going
through this because in thefuture you're going to be able
to help reach people whostruggle with depression and
(51:03):
anxiety, because I haven't, Ihaven't struggled with
depression.
I mean, I might get nervous,but I haven't, I've been lucky I
haven't suffered withdepression, I said but you know
there's people out there thatyou know that can actually offer
a lot of good and a lot ofhealing because they've been
(51:24):
there themselves.
Um, I think sometimes peoplewho are going through something
difficult um want to know thatthe other person that's giving
them advice knows what they'retalking about, and so that's.
I was just thinking of that asan example.
Like that, maybe future downthe line, like his calling is to
(51:45):
help those that are in thosedark spaces, because he knows
what it feels like, um, so yeah,each of the children I think my
children I kind of have an idea.
I mean, it's only my own idea,I'm not saying that that is it,
but I feel like each of themhave got different experiences,
(52:07):
different perspectives, and Ifeel like they've all got
something good to bring in theworld.
My son is actually serving amission in Orlando, florida, at
the moment, and the first weekhe was there, you know, there
was the hurricane and there wasa lot of cleanup afterwards.
There was the hurricane andthere was a lot of cleanup
afterwards.
And when we did a FaceTimeafter the few weeks after the
(52:29):
hurricane, he's like mom, I lovecharity work and I'm like boom
success.
But he needed to go and help ina hurricane to figure that, you
know.
And so my hope is all of them,all my kids, will be charitable
and we'll go out and dosomething good in the world.
That's my hope for my kids,yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
That's fantastic.
Unfortunately, we're runningout of time.
I think we need to do a partone, part two.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
I have a feeling she has a few more stories I know.
I would love to hear.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
And only if they were appropriate.
And again, I wish we had timeright now.
But now I'm curious, like thisman in New Zealand that you
talked to and you gave him twoor three stories of why you
believe God is real, Like I wantthose now, whether they're on
air or off.
Okay yeah, those, I'm socurious as to what those stories
were.
Because I'm so curious as towhat those stories were.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
If you'd be willing to come back.
Speaker 2 (53:25):
I think both Corey and I and everybody listening we
would love to have you back,although I know your time is
precious with all your kids andeverything you do.
Speaker 3 (53:32):
No, I'd be happy to come back.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
That'd be awesome.
There's so much we haven'ttalked about, I know.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
Right.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Well, I think this was the getting to know you
phase.
Face is the getting know yourpodcast, and then, uh.
So what I want to do is I don'twant to leave.
I don't want to leave this um,this dangling, because if I'm
listening to this podcast andI'm hearing that there's this
need in my community and whetherit's in Ogden, Utah, or New
(54:01):
Zealand, or Atlanta, Georgia orPhiladelphia, it's probably
everywhere and there's kids thatneed this empathy and love and
action, Are there organizationsthat people can contact that are
(54:23):
helping to fill this need?
Can they contact yourorganization?
I want to give somebody anoutlet If they say can I write a
check?
Can I volunteer?
Can I like my experience withFeed the Gap, or am I saying
that right?
Speaker 3 (54:44):
In New Zealand it's Feed's feed the need.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
Well, here with the Rotary Club feed the gap.
That was kind of a core memoryfor me to take my kids and do
that, and that was probably Idon't know eight years ago okay
that was a great opportunity.
Um, how do people get involved?
How do they help?
How do they help theorganizations that you are
(55:06):
currently spearheading Like?
I want to give people an outletto like, if you've been
prompted while you've beenlistening to do something, tell
them what they can do.
Speaker 3 (55:18):
So here the organization that I direct is
reachouttodayorg.
It's 100% volunteer-based, sono one gets paid, so every cent
that is donated, so if someonewrites a $100 check, every cent
will go to the need.
People can specify what theywant that to go to, so they can
look at our different programsand say I want that to go to
(55:38):
here or I want that to go tothere, which is kind of cool.
And so now they can be restassured to know that that will
go directly to where they chooseso can they venmo you yeah,
yeah.
So on the website, um, there's avenmo link, um, and then there
are other great organizationsout there who are doing amazing
things.
I think, wherever you are like,whichever state you're in,
(56:00):
whichever city you're in, I mean, you could actually also just
do your own thing if you wantedto.
There was um, uh, someone who'dheard my story felt inspired to
go and uh into one of theschools and give them a thousand
dollar check and say use itwhatever you need to use it, and
um, and what I love I knowwe've run out of time, but what
(56:22):
I love is how, when people hearstories and are moved, they go
on and do some incredible things.
And I remember getting emailsback saying I saw your story and
I decided to go to Mongolia anddonate an ambulance random but
brilliant and there was just allthese different stories of
people going out doing amazingstuff around the world.
(56:44):
So I don't think it necessarilyhas to be, you know, I don't
know.
I just feel like we can all dogood.
Whether it's big or small, wecan all make a difference, and
whether we go out and talk toschools, dcfs, whatever, or we
go and connect withorganizations who are on the
ground doing the work.
(57:04):
There's options out there.
You know, even if we've onlygot like an hour spare a week,
there's going to be people whoneed that hour off you to be
able to do something good.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
How do people continue to get inspired by you,
carrie?
So, like, how do they accessyour book, or books Like, where
do we go for that?
Speaker 3 (57:26):
Yeah, we didn't even talk about the book I know.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
I know, but we can get into that one next time, but
let's give them if they want toread more about you and your
story and and what, what youknow.
Where do they go to find that?
Speaker 3 (57:37):
Okay, so the only thing that's been published
right now is in a book calledthe not so secret lives of real
Mormon wives and and I've got asection in there which talks
about a little bit about Feedthe Need and outreach out today
and a little bit of just mychildhood and where I came from,
my parents and siblings and soforth.
There is another book coming,but it hasn't been published yet
(57:58):
.
Speaker 1 (57:59):
But I'll let you know when that comes out, perfect,
okay, so at the end of everypodcast and we've had women on
the podcast before, so you canmodify this question for
yourself with it being thegentlemen project podcast, we
believe that gentlemen are kindof.
(58:20):
You know, the best of the bestof us and you would be
considered a lady in every senseof the word If I was to use
lady as a synonym for gentlemen.
So what do you think it meansto be a lady or a gentleman?
Speaker 3 (58:36):
Um, I feel that women have a little bit of something.
Um, that women have a littlebit of something that comes a
little bit more natural.
I think I can't speak foreveryone.
Speaker 2 (58:49):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (58:49):
But I feel like we have been given that little
extra dose of compassion, littlebit of dose of should I say
selflessness.
I think, as mothers, you haveto, you have to kind of do it,
and I think that men arecompletely capable to have all
that if they open their eyes andtake action and do something.
(59:11):
Um, and so I was talking toCorey earlier just about my own
husband and how you know there'sthings which he's struggled
with.
You know, having all thedonations come into the garage
which has has been organised andlabelled, then all this stuff
arrives and so on.
I mean there's a long list, andso you know.
But then when he's gone andhe's, you know, witnessed like
(59:33):
you did with your kids eightyears ago with the Rotary, it
changes you, and I think thatthese moments have changed him
and made him want to be morecharitable, want to be more
giving, want to be more giving,want to be more compassionate,
and so I think, for all of us, Ithink that that's within us,
and so to be a lady, I thinkit's to embrace those in need
(01:00:00):
and give them love that they maynever have had, and to show
kindness and gentleness.
Is there even a word?
Um, yeah, and just show somecompassion.
There's enough hate in thisworld, there's enough confusion,
there's enough um, discord, youknow, and so I think it's up to
(01:00:26):
us to bring that goodness intothe world wherever we are,
whether we're in a coffee shopor whether we're in a restaurant
, whether you're in a buildingand you, you know, like I walked
past somebody who was a cleanerin a building and I just asked
how her day was and she wasreally confused why I was asking
her and she said, oh, no one'sasked me that before.
(01:00:47):
I think we can just kind oflike I'm not putting myself on a
pedestal, I'm not.
I'm using that story just tokind of illustrate that,
wherever we are, there areopportunities to just let people
know that they're seen.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
It's a great answer.
Thank you so much.
I just don't want to end it,but we're going to have to end
it.
You're amazing.
Thank you so much for your time.
Thanks for being an amazinghuman and for always showing the
kindness that you're talkingabout to to those around you in
the world.
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Thank you for what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
So, everybody, if you've felt a prompting today,
act on it.
Hey, carrie, yeah, thanks foryour example.
Thanks for spending some timewith us today.
If you like this podcast, sendit to somebody you love.
I'm Kirk Chug.
Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
I'm Corey Moore.
I'll see you next time.
I'm Mike Pearson.
I'll see you next time.
I'm Mike Pearson.
I'll see you next time.
I'm Mike Pearson.
I'll see you next time.
I'm Mike Pearson.
I'll see you next time.
I'm Mike Pearson.
I'll see you next time.
I'm Mike Pearson.
I'll see you next time.
I'm Mike Pearson.
I'll see you next time.
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