Nathan Osmond: Multifaceted Career, Fatherhood, and Life Lessons

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Gentleman Project Podcast.
I'm Corey Moore.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
And I'm Kirk Chug.
Thanks for joining us.
Corey and I kind of took thesummer off and enjoyed some
travel time with family, had abusy summer and we're kind of
winding down here at the end ofsummer and we're excited to have
Nathan Osmond on the podcastwith us today.
You may or may not be familiarwith the Osmond family, but here

(00:24):
in Utah where we're recording,they are somewhat of performance
royalty and if you grew up inthe 70s, 80s 90s, you know the
Osmonds and if you've ever beento Vegas, you've probably seen
or heard many Osmonds performthere.
Nathan is a performer in his ownright.

(00:47):
He's a producer a performer,speaker, an emcee, among many,
many other things.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
While I got you here, I'd like to tell you about
Amway and how it's changed mylife, just kidding.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
He has a nationally syndicated radio program that's
number one on the network, apodcast of his own which we'll
talk about that you guys can gocheck out.
So Nathan and I met a couplemonths ago and we just got
talking at a networking event.
We took each other's time upjust talking about some really

(01:21):
cool stuff.
We got pretty deep, prettyquick about things that matter
and I invited him to be on thepodcast and he accepted.
We've got him and his schedulehere that we made at work after
a couple of tries and it's justan honor to have him here in
studio.
Tell us a little bit, for thosepeople that know the Osmond

(01:41):
family, where you fit into thatfamily and some of the history
that you have in performing andhow you kind of got doing what
you're doing today.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Well, it's an honor to be here, by the way, and the
number one question I am askedas an Osmond is who's your daddy
, right?
So my father is the oldest ofthe performing brothers, and I
say that because I have twoolder uncles than my father.
They were both born deaf, verland Tom.
But my father was the oldestthat could hear, so he was the
leader of the Osmonds that y'allgrew up with.

(02:11):
And so I grew up aroundtelevision studios.
I didn't know any different.
I thought everybody had atelevision studio, you know.
But all my favorite TVcharacters were there and I
started watching my dad's rerunsof the Andy Williams shows.
So my brothers and I startedmimicking them and we shot the
VCR off and kept singing thosesongs in two-part harmony.
And my father's like well, whotaught him that?

(02:32):
We just had an ear for it.
So he started teaching thethird and the fourth part and we
became an acapella kind of abarbershop quartet, just like he
and his brothers became wayback in the 60s.
Well, there was a KSLtelevision studio here in Utah
and they put us on their talentshowcase they call it with
Eugene Jeleznik, right and theygave us the whole show.

(02:53):
Anyways, people Magazine foundout there's this new generation
of Osmonds.
They wrote this little articleActually it was a pretty big
article for a band that didn'thave anything to show for
themselves yet and Bob Hope readthat that article and he says I
want those boys on my show andso he called us up.
In 1986 I went on the bob hopechristmas special with my
brothers.
That was our first nationaltelevision special as a group.

(03:16):
Well, curb records saw thatthey loved it and says that we
can make the osmonds big once.
Let's do it again.
So we became signed on curbrecords and released our first
videos, which, by the way, oneof our music videos was filmed
in this very floor that we're onright now, called next to you.
It was used to be a big kind ofa warehouse building and now

(03:37):
it's the home of a bigdeconstruction, which is awesome
.
But uh, you know, we've had alot of fun and a lot of songs in
europe.
Three songs in the top 40 usedto tour with new kids on the
block and cover me bad and saltand peppa naughty by nature
extreme, all those big 90s bands.
But then, you know, I went on mymission.
You know, actually I I skippeda part.

(03:57):
We went to branson, missouri,my family and I you know, my
uncle jimmy, bought a theaterand we performed out there.
We won the best young group ofthe year three years in a row.
So we're in the Hall of Fameout there.
It wasn't much of a career move, but my dad, who was diagnosed
with MS when I was only 10, itwas a good thing for him to be
able to work with his brothersand have the audiences come to
him.
So we did that.

(04:18):
Then I went to Chile for twoyears for a Spanish-speaking
mission for the Church of JesusChrist of Latter-day Saints and
when I got back the next day Iwas in auditions for Joseph and
the amazing Technicolor Dreamcofor two years.
I did that for two years andthen I went to school and that's
where I met my wife and umafter we got married.
Like just less than a monthinto our marriage, I was doing

(04:40):
Joseph again at Tuacon inSouthern Utah, utah.
And Annie, get your Gun.
Well, I come out wearing thiscowboy hat and chaps because I
was, you know, dress rehearsaland she's like you're supposed
to be a country singer.
I said what you know.
I told myself I'd never likedcountry music.
I'm a convert, but I lovecountry music now and now.
I got four number one hits as asolo artist, as a country

(05:02):
artist.
I was produced by Lone Star outin Nashville.
I'll tell you that storysometime.
but Dean Sams of Lone Star, youknow, I went out there to write
with him and we wrote this song.
We loved it and it was so cool.
But they tied it up.
I think no way.
My first song I write inNashville gets tied up by one of
my favorite bands.
And then two weeks later thelead singer of Lone Star, richie
McDonald, announced to the bandthrough an email that he wanted

(05:24):
to go solo and sing gospelmusic.
Well, they were upset, and Iwas too, because there goes my
big chance, you know, unless youmake lemonade out of lemons.
And I said, well, listen, ifyou guys are going to record
that song, you mind if I do.
It's always been my dream tohave my own solo, you know
artist career and albums.
And Dean's like why don't youcome to my house and I'll

(05:45):
produce you?
And that's how I got on thedoors of Lone Star in Nashville.
Is he, you know their?
Their big loss became my biggain, and so that's what you got
to do in life is create themagic.
And anyways, we've got fournumber ones so far and we're
just going to keep doing ituntil we get it right, but it's
fun I'm enjoying.
That's kind of a nutshell mylife so far, up to this point.
But then you know, curve balls,talk about COVID coming in 2020

(06:08):
.
You know that shut downeverything.
I did 277 live events in 201cities in 2019, and then nothing
.
That's right.
So I got creative.
I love real estate and I wentto school and got my license as
a mortgage loan originator.
So I opened upOsmondHomeLoanscom, which is
pretty fun.

(06:28):
So now I'm licensed in sixalmost eight states now, and
that's been a lot of fun.
We've got our slogan saving theworld one mortgage at a time.
You know you've got to createopportunities.
It was right in the middle ofthe refi boom and so why not?
And then, of course, now theworld's open and we're still got
that business going.
I'm still doing my music, stilldoing my podcasting, and now

(06:49):
I've got a national real radioshow on Brushwood media network,
which is awesome, and we'relike their number one show.
It's fun.
But I'm trying to figure outlike, what do I want to be when
I?

Speaker 1 (06:56):
grow up, you know, one of these am I going to do,
or am I going to keep doing allof them?

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Life's a choose-your-own-adventure.
You know I like that and sothat's the way I look at it is.
I've been so blessed to get todo so many different things, but
it's opened more doors.
That's what brought us together.
You know, our friend Matt Moody, you know, and Pat, we all
gathered together and we'refinding ways to help other
businesses and save them moneyand plug them into better
services.
And I have networked like crazythroughout my life and that's

(07:22):
why my friend Matt who you know,you know, brought me on board
to help them out is because I'ma connector.
I love to connect people.
I'm really good with puzzles,you know.
We do those on Sunday,sometimes on the kitchen table.
I'm like, okay, this needs togo here and this, these two need
to meet.
And that's what I do withpeople, you know, and that's
that's been one of my gifts isto be able to put the right
people in the right rooms.
I was with a law firm yesterdayconnecting some, some

(07:45):
developers and people togetherthat are down in Florida with
this group and their investors,and it's like, wow, this is fun.
It's like playing chess, youknow.
It's like, okay, these two gotto meet.
But that's what I love to do isis create opportunities, build
businesses.
I'm an entrepreneur and Ilearned that from my dad.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
You can tell you are yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
My father's creative you know he was the producer of
the Donnie Murray show is backin the in the seventies and
eighties.
You know it was in the Guinnessbook of world records for the
most watched variety TV show andI didn't know any different
Cause, like I said, I thoughteverybody had a TV studio.
My wife says I should write abook called.
That's not normal, you know,but it's fun.
It's fun.
And, of course, you know ourfamily has been through good
times and hard times, just likeany family.

(08:29):
I think that's what bonded youand me together, kirk, is that
we started talking aboutdifficult times that we were
going through and growingthrough, and that's what I love
about podcasts is we can be openand vulnerable and talk about
family things that matter.
You know I didn't plan on beinga podcaster.
Heck.
I was out teaching real estatewith Kevin O'Leary from Shark

(08:51):
Tank.
You know.
Every week I was out teachingwith Josh Altman for a million
dollar listing.
I was representing these guysand their brands and I happened
to be good at speaking becauseit was just on the form of
entertainment.
I call it edutainment, right,and so that was keeping me busy.
She said you should be good atthis life coaching stuff.
I said, well, I like lifecoaching.

(09:14):
Tony Robbins became a friend ofmine doing these seminars.
I like what he's done all theseyears and, all right, I'll test
it out.
I tried it out and now it'sbeen going on for almost five
years.
You know podcasting and nowit's a national radio show and
I'm just grateful that peoplewant to learn how to improve
their lives.
You know people that take timeout to listen to podcasts cause

(09:34):
there's a lot of talk out there.
But you guys have a fantasticplatform.
You guys are created here andjust just being invited on this
show is is huge.
So I'm I'm honored to be here.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
I have 1001 questions .
Let's start with number 67.
I guess kind of to maybe Idon't mean to sum it all up kind
of a thing, but you said you'velearned a bunch of life lessons
.
Oh yeah, You've been through,you've done more in your
lifetime, at your age, than mostpeople probably do in a
lifetime, as far as you know.
Different avenues in life,different verticals, different,

(10:11):
you know from, fromentertainment to real estate, to
life coaching, to podcasts, toradio, you name it Right, and on
and on.
So you know, if you were to sumthat up, like, let's say,
you're talking to your kids,right?
How many?
How many?

Speaker 3 (10:23):
kids.
I have four sons or sons.
I'm number two of eight boys.
There's a lot of boys in theOswego family.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
It sounds like another barbershop quartet, hey
you know they like sports morewhich is my wife is grateful.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
So what kind of life lessons do you teach them, or
what kind of things do you want?
Them to take Like you've hadall this life experience yeah,
good and bad.
All this life experience yeah,good and bad.
Yeah, what?
What kind of things are you say, man, I hope my kids know these
things, or you know theselessons, or maybe there's
something recent that you'vegone through.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
You know, that's what I said on my first episode of
my podcast is that if I only getan audience of four and those
four are my sons then it wasworth recording this podcast.
So that's what drove me to dothe podcast was that I'm not
going to be around forever.
Uh, as much as we wish we couldbe around forever, we're not.
None of us listening to this ordoing this podcast are going to

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be around forever.
So the fact that we can recordour life stories and share them
with the world, what a neat timeof life to be living in, right?
So that's the motivation for mewith my podcast.
Is I do these for my childrenand I hope that someday they
might listen to it.
Right now they're a little toocool for dad, right?
But that's okay because it'spreserved and it's out there for

(11:38):
good, and that's what I hope todo is I created something
called Achieving Awesomeness.
Now, and I came up with thattitle because you got to have a
good, catchy title, just likeyou guys have created, right,
for me, achieving suggests tothe mind that it takes work, it
takes effort.
My father says you know, listen, I'm not just going to hand you
.
In the entertainment world weearned every standing ovation we

(12:03):
ever got.
We were known as the one takeOsmonds on the Andy Williams
shows.
Because we earned that.
I'm so grateful that he taughtme how to work and my children
are learning how to work, whichis great.
But I chose that word achieving, and then awesomeness.
You know the Osmonds have usedthat word maybe because it
sounds like Osmond awesome.
Right, I was like I was on theset of the Donnie Marie show.

(12:23):
But when I got off my missionin the late nineties with Dick
Clark sitting next to me and Iwas so excited to meet him what
a legend, right.
And I saw him marking theselittle marks on a piece of paper
while my uncle and aunt, donnieMarie, were up on the TV, you
know, doing their thing and Ihad to find out what these
markings meant.
And their thing.

(12:44):
And I had to find out whatthese markings meant.
He's a pro, right, and I waslike, okay, I'm a producer
myself, I want to learn from thebest.
I said what are those markings?
What does that mean?
And he leaned over to me.
He says every time your uncleDonnie says the word awesome, I
dock him a point.
So even Marie told me yeah youuse that word too much Even
bought a big red sign that saidawesome.
I put it in my office because Iwas supposed to think of other

(13:05):
words other than awesome, but Ifigured why not embrace it?
Right, you say it so much, whynot make it marketing branding?
Right?
Achieving awesomeness.
I thought I made that word up.
I didn't, but I loved it.
So I said achieving awesomeness.
And then this Joel O.
That's where I got the now part, because I love now.
It stands for Nathan Osmond wayor no other way than now,

(13:25):
because I told the people, as Iwas promoting this podcast today
on Facebook, I said listen, nowis an acronym.
Right, because you don't haveyesterday, it's gone.
Tomorrow may never come.
Garth Brooks.
Right, you have what's callednow, and now is a gift, which is
why they call it the present.
What are you going to do withyour present today?

(13:49):
I said to the people watchingFacebook today and that's
something that I think wasreally appropriate to put the
word now, because what we dowith now affects the rest of
eternity and I want my childrento know that that what are you
going to do with your present,with your gift?
Right, because time is yourgreatest commodity and what we
do with our time matters.
I you know, you listened to mylife story here real fast and
that was I've done all sorts ofdifferent things.
Well, good, life's full ofvariety and I want to experience

(14:11):
as much of it as possible.
Now are there detrimentssometimes if you don't focus.
Yeah, I got ADD right.
My doctor says it's 80 OLST andI said what does that stand for
?
He goes attention deficit.
Oh look, shiny things.
That's what I've got right.
But I have had to learn to focusand that's something I also
want my children to do is findwhat brings joy into your life.
Find what you're passionateabout.

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Find a way to make a livingdoing it.
I got a great friend I've hadon my show named Tommy Schaaf,
and he's awesome.
He created Major League Sales.
He loves baseball.
He has the world's largestcollection of baseball
bobbleheads right, he owns more.
He owns a part ownership in thefarm where they filmed the

(14:52):
field of dreams.
This guy is uber successful,but he's found a way to create a
business around his hobby.
Why not do that, right?
So I'm trying to encourage mychildren to find out what
they're good at, what they loveand how they can make a living
doing it.
How are you doing that?
Just by encouragement and bytrying to be a better listener.
I found that raising boys is noteasy.
My mother did it eight timesand I found that every one of my

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children are different, and ina good way.
My oldest son was born on theautism spectrum, right, and that
was.
That was hard, because mymother-in-law watched one
episode of Oprah and all of asudden, she was an expert in
autism.
I, that bugged me, right, youwant to label my only son, right
?
And I was a little bitter aboutthat.
And then my wife was morehumble.
She says, hey, let's take himto the doctor.

(15:35):
It's not about us, it's aboutZach, right?
So let's take him and see whathe's got.
And anyways, the doctor barelylooked at him.
He says, oh, he's a boy, theylearn slower than girls.
Which was not good enough formy wife.
She's like listen, we're goingto take him to an expert,
someone that actually caresabout his future, and we'll see
what he or she says.
So we did and we took him tothe Redwood Learning Center up
in Park City, utah, and theyreally took the time to look at

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our son and study him.
And she had done a lot ofreading up on autism and they
said we know exactly what he has.
It's called PDD-NOS pervasivedevelopmental disorder, not
otherwise specified which is avery long way of saying we don't
really know.
We appreciated that honesty,right.
My wife already knew thediagnosis because of all her
studying, and so we learnedabout ABA therapy applied

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behavioral analysis, which isone of the only things that's
helped autistic children.
And anyways, we got someexperts trained that came into
our house six out of the sevendays a week, every day of the
week.
That's expensive, but what aninvestment in my son because he
has thrived and we're sograteful that he's very high
functioning and he's got agirlfriend.
Now he's working jobs.

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He saves money like none other,right?
He's got more money in the banknow.
I'm like good for you, son,right, he's got more money in
the bank now.
I'm like good for you, son,right.
And I'm just so proud of him.
But then we got our secondoldest you know who loves sports
and he loves.
He's got a girlfriend.
He's on a mission right now inColorado and to see him develop
and just the fastest kid I'veseen in track.
He just up and joined the trackteam and and started placing

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like never having never runtrack before, and I'm you know,
I'm trying to encourage him.
He's thinking about his futurenow because of his girlfriend.
And then I got Sam, who lovesmusic, and Sam, he goes under
the rapper name of Quizloan.
So if you want to hear somepretty cool stuff that he did on
his own watching dad do what Ido, quizloan he's got one called

(17:21):
Pineapple Fanta which he justwon an award for, and then he's
also got one he did with hiscousin, cj Rain, you know, and
it's called Menace and it'sawesome.
You guys got to check that out.
But he is just soentrepreneurial.
You know, he and I, I think,are probably very, most similar
because he's just constantlylearning, watching YouTube

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videos, seeing how he canpodcast, how he can.
So he's I think he's watcheddad a lot and and it's just very
good at what he does.
He just produced this greatvideo.
He's the host of a show atAmerican fork high school and is
a senior year right now andalready just blowing all my
editing skills out of the water.
So I'm so thrilled that he'sfound something he loves.
And then, of course, beckham isour youngest and, uh, he is

(18:05):
just a comic genius, right,he'll probably have his own
podcast someday too, but hewants to be a YouTuber.
I think that's what every kidthis and his age he's almost 12,
you know, um, but just watchingthe difference in all of them
Some are really outgoing, someare funny, some are witty, some
are really shy.
You know, zach is, you know,just keeps to himself, and that

(18:27):
has to do a lot with what he'sliving with.
But to see what these kids havegone through because Corbin
number two, you know, aftergoing through the emotions of
autism, I was in Clearwater,florida, doing a financial
conference and I said to my wifehow's our little boy doing, you
know, corbin?
And he had been bruising a lot.
She'd taken him to the doctorsthat day.

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I thought maybe he's anemic,like my wife is, and she says
you ready for this?
Doctor said today that theworst case scenario he could
have leukemia.
Oh my gosh, I lost it.
Anyways, a complete miraclestory I talked about on my
podcast.
They ruled it out.
Thank heavens it wasn'tleukemia, it was called ITP and

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what should have taken one yearat least to heal was fixed in a
week.
Oh, wow, yeah, I mean, youcan't tell me that miracles
don't happen.
It was just the most amazingthing.
Like what's number three goingto have?
He's lactose intolerant, so wecan deal with that.
And number four is perfect.

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But the thing is is that they'reall so unique and different
that you have to deal with themin different ways.
You know, I just took a roadtrip with my son, sam, down to
St George to help a businessopen down there and it was just
great to spend that time withthem.
I went down to Cedar cityrecently with just my youngest
and bottom his first cowboy hat,like dad you know it was
pioneer day and just to visit.

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I think that's something thatI've missed out on being gone on
the road as much as I was.
You know and that led to someof our conversations that it was
hard on my marriage when you'regone and your wife has to step
up to the plate and has to bethe gentleman right, the husband
and the wife raising four sonson her own because you're out
trying to make a living.

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It's hard on a relationship, andso we have gone through a lot
and this is probably, I wouldhave to say, my hardest year yet
and yet it's been so blessed inso many ways too.
But I have, I think, gotten aPhD in women's psychology.
In the last six months I'veread over 60 books just on

(20:35):
relationships, on how to improvethem, and I'm proud to say that
things are getting better.
They're not perfect and norelationship is perfect, but she
had to go through a lot andit's hard.
You guys are in business andI'm sure you travel and you you
go to nice places and Instagramcan be your worst enemy, because
here I am thinking I'm being agood promoter, I'm keeping the

(20:56):
buzz about Nathan Osmond goingand, at the same time, my wife,
who struggles with postpartumdepression after every one of
our childbirths, is sitting athome looking at where I'm at and
where she's at, and that cancause a big division in your
relationship.
And it has been hard, it hasbeen really hard, and so this

(21:17):
year, I mean, it came to termsthat she was ready to be done
with me, and this is one of thefirst times I've talked about
this publicly because I've beenstruggling and going through
hard me and this is one of thefirst times I've talked about
this publicly because I've beenstruggling and going through
hard things and I've had to getpeople in my life that have
helped coach me, and that's onething I tell people.
We all need coaching, which iswhy we're listening to this
podcast right now.
You know I called up my my uncleuh, in 2019, 20, beginning of

(21:42):
2020, right as the pandemic andeverything was kicking in Donny
Osmond.
You know I call him up becauseI had these things inside of me.
I felt like I was going to passout, and it was always
happening while I was drivingand I had just gone from doing
277 live events to zeroovernight.
It was a shock to my system.
I didn't know what the futurelooked like.
And now a world pandemic'scoming in and I'm Mr Achieving

(22:10):
Awesomeness now, but I'm havingissues and I don't know what's
happening within me internally.
And so I reach out to my uncleand I said hey, I don't know
what's going on.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
I feel like I'm going to pass out I'm.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
my heartbeat goes up and I don't.
Anyway, he just startedlaughing and he goes.
Welcome to the club, buddy, I'mlike what.
He said you're having panicattacks.
I'm like, come on.
He says you want to just cometo my house and talk about it?
Oh, my heck he.
I sat down on Donnie Osmond'scouch my uncle and spend

(22:45):
probably about three hours withthem almost.
And he said, nathan, every oneof us needs a safe person.
I'm yours.
What a blessing that is, Causehe wrote a whole book.
You know, life is just what youmake it.
He talked all about these panicattacks and I knew he had been
through a lot, having read hisbook.
But when he broke it down forme and some of the things he
learned from his own therapistsand people that he paid big
bucks to be there for, becausehe was doing that Joseph and the

(23:07):
Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoatfor six years, and there was a
night where he was not going tocome out on stage, like he was
broken down under a table, likecrying, and they're knocking on
his door Come on, donnie, you'reon.
Finally his wife, debbie, myaunt, comes up and visits with
him and she said something tohim.
She said, donnie, you're on.
Finally his wife, debbie, myaunt, comes up and visits with
him and she said something tohim.
She said, donnie, you're aperfectionist.

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You've been forced to be aperfectionist your whole life.
You've carried the weight ofyour brother's band as the lead
singer.
Everyone expected you to beperfect every single time.
That's a lot of pressure on akid.
Listen, do me a favor tonight.
She said go out there and do amediocre show.
It was the strangest advicehe'd ever been given, because it

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was always like you know, hityour mark this and that, and so
he had always been told theopposite, and so a mediocre show
to him was an amazing show tothese people.
So just do me a favor, donnie,go out and do a mediocre job
tonight.
And he did.
He said I did the best show ofmy life that night because
someone gave me permission tohave a little more fun, even on

(24:13):
day one.
The producer, he said, sat medown and took me to the front of
the stage.
Actually he said okay, donnyosmond, look at this big theater
all right here in toronto.
He says what is your job?
My job is to bring 110 energyevery single night and to hit my
mark and started.
He just started being DonnyOsmond and this guy laughed at
him and he said Donny, you gotit all wrong.

(24:36):
He said what do you mean?
I got it all wrong.
I've been doing this my wholelife, he says.
Donny, let me explain something.
The reason why these peoplecome and sit in this dark
theater and fill up these seats,paying top dollar, is for the
opportunity to escape theirrealities for about two hours.
Right, they've got a lot ofstuff going on in their lives.
They want to forget about itfor two hours.

(24:57):
They're paying top dollar,donnie, to come here and watch
you, just to have a glimpse ofthe euphoria that you're
experiencing up here on thisstage.
Donnie Osmond, your job is tohave the time of your life.
Wow, he says, all these years Ihad it all wrong.
What if we took that sameadvice to the office on Monday

(25:21):
To have the time of your life?
Does it look like I'm havingany fun doing what I'm doing?
I love what I do right and evenwhen it was hard and my whole
career got put on hold and thewhole world did, I had to get
creative.
Like I said, I created amortgage company because I love
real estate.
My grandpa, George, startedOsmond real estate here in Utah
back in the day in 1979.

(25:41):
He was so proud to hear thatone of his grandkids was
carrying on that name.
I even sold women's shoes, likehe did, you know.
So I've done a lot of thingslike and I'm the first
grandchild to get his name.
George is my middle name out of57 grandkids.
I'm the first.
I didn't even know that tillhis, till his funeral, but I
always told him we George hasgot to stick together.
He loved real estate.
He was a developer.
He created Osmond lane where hecould put all of his kids.

(26:04):
You know they can all live inthe same place, but it was so
fun to carry on that name,osmond.
And I'm grateful for those thatcame before, because talk about
another hard time.
There's a whole made for TVmovie about our family and it's
weird when you see an actorplaying your dad.
But we were very trusting.
We still are, even after allwe've been through.
But we've learned one thingDon't ever have a rubber stamp.
You sign your checks right.

(26:26):
Don't trust anybody.
I learned that from Donald TrumpJr Because I introduced him on
stage.
He told me that he says Dad, mydad sat me down one time.
He says don't trust anybody.
Okay, and he just drilled itinto me, he said.
And then he said, after thisbig, long conversation with the
Donald, he says to me no, I'myour dad, you trust me, right?
He says sure, you're my dad.
No, don't trust anybody.

(26:47):
All right, a little extreme dad.
But hey, he learned something.
We were so trusting.
We were out on the roadperforming, doing all this,
selling 100 million records,right, and they were multi,
multimillionaires.
Well, the problem is is thattheir own bookkeepers decided to
keep two sets of books on themthe real books and the fake
books right here.
They think that we trust them.

(27:07):
They books and the fake booksright here, they think that we
trust them.
They were, like, related toreally notable people in the
community, like high upreligious leaders.
You got to be able to trustthem, right.
Well, I got to thank this ladywho came clean because her
husband was involved in it inthat church.
She comes up to my mother andsays Suzanne, I'm so sorry to
say this, my husband's robbingyour family and that's how we

(27:28):
found out about the two sets ofbooks.
That's crazy.
And then when we found out, itwas to the tune of almost $100
million.
And these are 70s dollars GoneRight.
You can't take it with you,Grandpa said.
He called a whole familycouncil together.
He says but I'll tell you onething we're not going to do.
We're not going to filebankruptcy and leave all of

(27:49):
these people hanging with all ofthis debt that these dishonest
people got us into, unbeknownstto us.
What's a good name worth Ahundred million dollars?
How are we going to do this Now?
Thank goodness they invested inreal estate.
We owned high rises in CenturyCity, Los Angeles.
We had hotels in Alaska.
They had the number onecontract for nuts with the
airlines, because we owned allthese almond orchards, the

(28:12):
Riviera Apartments, a bravinalhall here in Salt Lake City.
We owned racket clubs.
We had airplanes, we had youname it.
We sold all of it, includingthe television studios, which is
one of the reasons why theywent under.
It's because of this dishonestgroup of men that decided to
take our family for a ride.
But at the end of this movie,the only thing my father

(28:33):
insisted being in the movie isthe fact that the Osmonds paid
back every penny.
Think about that $100 millionworth that they had to start all
over.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
That's crazy and they did.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
I didn't know that, yeah, a lot of people don't know
that side of the story.
My Uncle, jay, just produced abig musical about their story
over in England and the movieand everything.
But even in the movie they madeit look like my dad was the one
making all the bad decisions.
He's like why can't we justtell the truth, why don't we
just tell them what happened?
And so I'm grateful that hisbook is coming out September
28th.
He's going to tell the real,true story what really happened.

(29:06):
And he was there.
He was the leader.
He didn't write checks, hebooked talent.
We were trusting and that's onething I've learned in business
is that we've been burnedbecause we trusted and you want
to be able to trust right.
But the problem is is thatthere are they who will take
advantage when money can changeyou and unfortunately, even one
of those guys that was involvedin that was just recently in the

(29:26):
news again doing the same thingto someone else.
When people tell you who theyare, believe them.
Said Oprah right, I loved beingon her show.
That was fun.
You were on that.
We were on Oprah's show.
It was cool.
In fact, the Osmonds were votedOprah's producers' favorite
guests of all time.
No kidding Out of all thoseguests we took it home.

(29:49):
No, it was kind of fun becausemy wife was a big fan.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
She wanted to meet her.
Tom Cruise, that's right, tomCruise.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Woo, jump on a couch, don't do that.
That's Oprah's couch.
No, we were just.
She said all these people, theysaid the producers, and not one
complaint.
You know because my fathertaught us as kids.
He says listen, be good topeople, be good to people, never
burn a bridge, always be onyour best.
We even had a thing that wewould say television right, it
was like TV, like people arewatching which didn't go so well

(30:15):
.
And I've learned that lessonfrom watching my parents raise
us is that we couldn't be real,we didn't have the permission to
be a real family, sometimes infront of people, because the
people were watching and therewas such a pressure to be

(30:35):
perfect and all that and thatstemmed down through two and
even three generations now.
So we've learned the, the, theimportance of being real.
That's why I'm talking about mylife issues on a podcast is
because I have learned to let itgo, just like a Disney song.
Let it go.
You know, if you don't sharethe pain with others, you don't

(30:55):
know what they're going through.
Heck, this last week I had afan of mine reach out and I knew
who it was and I was reallybusy, but I felt in my gut that
this lady needs something in herlife right now.
Pick it up.
This lady needs something inher life right now.
Pick it up.
I picked it up and this womanwas on a bridge.
I literally walked a lady off abridge.
Over an hour's worth of my timewas so well invested because

(31:18):
she was at that point of noreturn.
Ah, you know, to think aboutwhat could have happened if I
had not answered.
And we just never know whatpeople are growing through.
And so that's why I lovepodcasting.
I love Facebook lives.
Every day I'm on it and I'mtrying to share something of

(31:39):
value, of worth, whether it's mychild or that lady on the
bridge or whoever it might be,that's in a lot of pain right
now.
Who needs a safe person?
I hope to be that, Because wedon't know who we're affecting
through this right now.
Who needs a safe person?
I hope to be that Because, youknow, we don't know who we're
affecting through this right now.
I don't know if there's someoneat that same point that's
struggling, but I put a song outthere called Don't Go there.
I recorded with Linda Davis ofCountry Music and that one song.

(32:02):
I talked about it on my podcastand I get this guy from England
as a DJ.
He said would you send me thatsong?
I said, well, it's not releasedyet.
I said, well, I got a girl overhere that needs to hear it.
So I sent it to him and threedays later he says you just
saved a life.
So what do you mean?
He says that girl I told youabout she was at that point of
no return.
She listened to that song andshe decided to not go there.
She's sticking around and itjust made me cry.

(32:23):
You know that's amazing.
If that's the only good that'scome out of that podcast, it was
worth it.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
That's cool, can I?
Can I go back to?

Speaker 2 (32:32):
yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
I'm going to ask you to.
This might be kind of hard, butI want you to go back to the
travel thing you talked aboutand having a hard time, and
maybe give advice to threepeople.
The person who's in your seatyeah, I'm a, I travel all the
time.
The person who's in your seatyeah, I travel all the time.
My wife hates it, right yeah,so I get that.
The person in your wife's seatwho's dealing with that, yeah,

(32:57):
and the person in your kid'sseat oh yeah, who's dealing with
that?
And maybe just kind of talk toeach one of them and say, hey,
this is this is what I'velearned so far.
Yeah, this is what I've learnedso far.
Yeah, we're all still learning,of course.
Oh yeah, this is what I'velearned so far and this is how
to you know how to react to thator behave or think about the
world, kind of a thing.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Okay, well, I've always loved what David O McKay
said.
No-transcript, but I wasn'tlistening, I didn't realize how
much pain she was in.
I told her I'm willing to do it.

(33:39):
Are you sure she was telling meI need you to delete your
Facebook page?
Right?
Because to her I was anarcissist?
And I told her listen, the onlyreason you see me with my face
everywhere is because if I wereselling toilets, all you see
were toilets, but this happensto be the product I'm selling.
It's hard being an entertainerbecause your wife thinks you're
just full of yourself.
And she was right.

(34:01):
You know, I was thinking itjust from a marketing standpoint
.
I was missing the communicationthat was coming at me.
I didn't see till January 20thof this year what she meant when
I came home from Sundance filmfestival here.
I just been put in peoplemagazine twice this year from
that one event, being up thereand networking and doing what I
do best, to the point where itbecame the worst night of my

(34:24):
life when she said I'm meetingwith the Bishop tomorrow to see
how we can be legally separatedand then it got real, real fast,
and that's when the Donnieconversations and other things
started happening and I neededthat safe person.
But sometimes it was too late.
If you travel a lot, I learnedthat you have to be aware of the

(34:47):
emotions and the feelings ofyour loved ones who aren't there
with you because they're seeingthe glossy filters of Instagram
and the Cheesecake Factory andall these beautiful locations
Hawaii, heck.
I did a show in Hawaii for sixmonths.
I was away from my family in2011.
You can't tell your wife oh,you'd hate it over here.
Right, it's Hawaii.
But I also missed out on a lotwith my children and I've asked

(35:11):
my children throughout the years, as I've traveled and done
things like do you ever wish dadhad not traveled so much?
Oh, no, you're earning a living.
And they told me everything Iwanted to hear until recent
years.
They finally said well, yeah, Ifeel we kind of missed out on
some stuff.
I can't get that back.
You know time is your greatestcommodity and it's how we spend

(35:33):
it, and not it's hard whenyou're in.
I feel we kind of missed out onsome stuff.
I can't get that back.
You know time is your greatestcommodity and it's how we spend
it and it's hard when you're inbusiness.
There's a lot of peoplelistening to this probably
travel for a living.
You know it's nice having thatdiamond medallion status on
Delta.
Heck, I just got upgraded onthe next two flights.
But is it that cool?
Is it worth missing out on this?
And that my initials are N-O?
I have the hardest time tellingpeople that, though no, right,

(35:55):
because I've been a peoplepleaser.
One of the things that my uncletaught me in this business is
that you have to be, first ofall, you have to have thick skin
Now I would say that to all myfamily.
But at the same time, I have tobe more sensitive and I have to
listen more, because I misssome cues and it's taken me so
much pain to try and heal yearsof being gone, you know, because

(36:18):
I've learned a lot aboutmasculinity.
This is the gentleman project,and when your wife has to be
both husband and wife and shehas to be the one leading out
every single night, callingeveryone hey, family prayer and
this and that, and then you comehome for a day before you fly
out again, I didn't want tointerrupt what she had going on
and rock the boat too much, so Ijust let her be the leader.

(36:39):
Well, when I got off the road,forced to because of COVID and
everything I was so used to,just letting her be the leader
that turned her off.
As men, we need to lead, and weneed to lead with masculine
energy.
And the thing is, is that is sovilified nowadays in the world
that it's just sick and toxic,this masculine Wrong.

(37:00):
All these books I've beenreading, I've learned that women
typically like to have the manlead, and she even told me that
I missed that cue.
You don't lead, and she eventold me that I missed that cue.
You don't lead.
You know?
And I'm like what?
First of all, I'm working likenine jobs right now.
I'm doing all the dishes, I'mtaking the kids to school, I'm

(37:20):
bringing dinner home everysingle night.
I just start doing our listright, our validation.
Men love to be validated.
Well, that's not what womenneed.
I and men love to be validated.
Well, that's not what womenneed.
I've learned that when I don'ttalk about all the good things
I've done, like mowing the grassand just letting her notice it,
that's actually better.
I've learned that she has beenhounded by four children for the
past 21 years almost, and thelast thing she needs is a fifth.

(37:44):
So I've learned to toughen up.
I've learned to suck it up andembrace the suck, and it sucks
sometimes because we need that.
And entertainers are the worst,my therapist taught me, because
if you just do it a little bitbetter, I'll just give you more
applause.
We're seeking validation, right.
That's how we get paid, byapplause.
And when I heard that from mytherapist I was like, wow, my

(38:05):
whole life I've been seekingthat.
You know, my parents showeredus with praise and we did a
great job on stage, right, andthat's how he was raised.
My father and my mother wasthrown into it in the 70s and
it's just what they knew, right,and so I'm so grateful for the
way they raised me.
But I've learned a few lessonsalong the way that were needed

(38:25):
for me specifically, and thatwas that neediness is a turnoff
to your wife.
So how can you get thevalidation without seeking it so
much?
All the experts are telling meyou need to act like I want you,
but I don't need you, right?
And now that I've startedtraveling a little bit more,
it's actually been a good thingfor our relationship, you know,

(38:46):
because it gives her a littlebit of a break from this guy, so
that's a good thing.
So traveling can be a goodthing for your relationship.
Too much of anything is notgood.
So I've learned to listen better.
I've learned to accept mychallenges and own my stuff
Right, because I think thatwe're in defensive mode.

(39:08):
I've been very defensivesometimes of hey, well, I'm
doing this and I'm doing that.
There's the checklist.
You're trying to be validatedagain, right, just shut up and
listen.
And I've learned that my wifebeing female, they're very
emotional beings and that iswhat is.
If you just take one thing awayfrom this, it's how you make

(39:30):
her feel.
I've heard that for moreprograms I purchased this year
and thank heavens she stuck withme because it was it was at the
point of no return this yearand it's tough.
It is still tough.
I went to bed crying, like youknow, and I hear my children

(39:51):
calling me names behind my back,which hurt because of the
emotions that I was goingthrough and the hurt that I was
suffering through.
I felt all by myself.
You know that that was hard andI needed to step up and be the
father that they deserved andthey need to see the changes in
me and I've always told them Ilove your mom more than I've

(40:11):
ever loved her.
My feelings haven't changed.
But you can't force someone tolove you back.
And when you start realizing,yes, I was out providing for my
family, but at what expense?
And I've gotten better thisyear at telling people no, I'm
not available.
That's my son's birthday,that's my wife's and my
anniversary, I startedprioritizing the things that

(40:33):
truly matter.
What's I?
Sure that would be a greatbusiness meeting or that could
be a great concert you could do.
You can pay 10,000 here or that.
So what?
This is priceless and I've hadto prioritize more.
My wife's noticing thedifference.
I've started working on myself.
I've dropped almost 50 poundsnow.
You know my.
My health got better.
You know my.

(40:54):
I woke up, thank heavens,because my A1C, I discovered,
was 14.3.
I don't know if you know whatthat means, but that's like
you're about ready to go into adiabetic coma and I was
diagnosed just a few years agowith type 2 diabetes.
So I'm wearing this thing on myarm, this glucose reader right
here.
Right, I take my shot once aweek and I brought it down to

(41:18):
seven.
So improvement and takingbetter care of me that's one
thing that men need to realizeis that if you're not taking
care of you and you'redisrespecting her too, that's a
turnoff too right.
You need to show her you wantto be around for those.
Grandkids and my father, whostruggled with health, you know,
when I was 10 years old got hitwith multiple sclerosis, ms.

(41:39):
He said it stands for many sonsand he's got eight of them.
But he had a good attitude.
He says I don't know what it is.
The doctors told me I have thisthing called MS.
I'm not going to die.
I might end up in a wheelchairsomeday.
He's got a walker and a caneand everything since I was 10.
And so it was hard to watchthat.
But he said from day one Imight have MS, but MS does not

(42:00):
have me.
Now, that's a man, right?
That's a tough dude and in factthe Osmonds have a slogan that
life is tough, but so are you.
Tough times never last, buttough people do, and we spell it
T-U-F-F.
He's got a rock out in front ofhis house that says life is
tough.
This is a tough guy.
This is a guy that had a blackbelt, trained by Chuck Norris.

(42:21):
This is a guy that won threeout of the four trophies in the
army.
Right, this guy is tough, butwhat it stands for is target.
You got to have a target.
What is your target?
Whatever it is, write it down,know what.
That is right, because it'sjust like the Cheshire cat from
Alice in Wonderland If you don'tknow where you want to go, it
doesn't matter which road youtake.
You know, as George Harrisonwrote a song called, if you
don't know where you're going,any road will take you there,

(42:42):
and I've learned that in life.
So I was even talking aboutthat today.
You've got to understand whichis you in.
Tough, understand that it's notgoing to be easy.
Understand that it's tough.
There's going to be obstacles,like autism and leukemia or ITP
in your way.
There's going to be maritalchallenges right.
But what is your target?
Do you understand what it'sgoing to take to get you the

(43:04):
happy family that you want tohave that everybody thinks you
have?
Stop being fake, address theseissues and be a man, step up.
And then F?
You got to focus.
Right, because I've beenworking with Tony Robbins.
He says, nathan, if you're everin a race car and you're
driving and you get into atailspin, whatever you do, don't
look at the wall.
Why?

(43:26):
Because, well, guess whatyou're going to hit the wall.
They found that if you focusyour energy and your vision down
the track, that the body willnaturally pull the car out of
that tailspin and you'll startgoing where you want to go.
See, our problems are thoselittle things we see when we
take our eyes off of our targetor our goal.
And, of course, the last one myfather's demonstrated so
perfectly is fight.

(43:46):
You got to fight for what youwant, because the minute that
you stop fighting for what youwant, what you don't want
automatically takes over.
And if you don't believe me, goplant a garden and just don't
weed it for a day or two.
Right, we have to fight forwhat we want.
It's like the Beastie Boys foryour right to party.
Right, if you want to have aparty, then you got to fight
first.

(44:06):
I teach my children that Workhard, play hard, balance.
That's one thing I asked myfather.
In all those years of travelingaround the world, did you ever
have time to enjoy it?
Sure, you sold 100 millionrecords and all that.
But now you've got MS.
You know, he says son, I wish Icould go back, I wish I could

(44:27):
take it in a little more,because were always what's next,
what's next, what's next?
If all you're thinking about iswhat's next, you're going to
miss the now.
Remember that word.
Now is all you got.
So in all these years ofstruggling with his MS, he's
come to really become thisgentle giant and this teddy bear
.
You know, he just won pillar ofthe valley with my mother as
well, down in Utah Valley, thebiggest award in the whole

(44:49):
valley and it was so awesome tosee him recognized.
But what a humble giant.
He said.
I am who I am because thiswoman, your mother, I don't want

(45:10):
to receive this award withouther receiving this award.
So they gave it to both of them.
And behind every great man is abetter woman and a surprise
mother-in-law, my mother-in-law.
Her name is Debbie Reynolds.
And I told the real DebbieReynolds.
I said, hey, my mother-in-law'sname is Debbie Reynolds.
I had to tell you that she goes.
Well, I hate to bust yourbubble, but my real name is Mary
Frances.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
I said stop it, you serious.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
All these women named Debbie and it wasn't even your
real name.
You know she just laughed.
We had some good times.
But you know, I've been soblessed to go through and grow
through so much that I just hopethat somebody's taken something
from this today and that youwill continue to listen to this
podcast and share it with yourfriends and apply, because
that's the biggest thing too.
I tell my children it doesn'tmatter, I can tell you all this
stuff till you're blue in theface, but until you try it and

(45:59):
apply it, you're not going toknow for yourself.
You know my parents.
They shared their faith with mefor all these years, which is
why I'm a convert.
You know, and I always tellthat to people in church, I said
by a show of hands, how manyconverts we have here tonight?
Right, and I just smile becausetwo or three hands go up, and
then I say, okay, I'm going toask that question again how many
converts do we have heretonight?

(46:20):
And then they get it.
In life, you must apply.
To know and not to do is worsethan not knowing.
And so I tell my children thatbecause if you travel and or
have a parent that travels, um,I hope to God that they listen
to you and I hope that you'rehonest enough that when they ask

(46:43):
, am I giving you enough of mytime, that you'll be honest.
I also hope that the spousesout there that do have husbands
or wives that travel, thespouses that you can be
empathetic as well, becausethere were times I was recording
Achieving Awesomeness Now andcrying my eyes out in between
takes of this motivationalspeaker right, and I had to put

(47:06):
on that fake guy for a littlewhile because I didn't want
anybody to know what I wasgrowing through.
I wasn't vulnerable enough tobe honest enough to share the
truth that I was living in thatmoment because I wanted
everybody to just think life isperfect.
It's not, it's hard, it's tough.
And I tell people, repeat afterme, it's hard, and they say it.

(47:26):
And I say say it like you meanit.
It doesn't sound like amotivational speaker, but once
you come to grips that life ishard or life is tough, then you
can embrace the suck, as theysay in the military.
You can get down to the businessof being happy and I think that
happiness as I was cast in thelead role of your good man,
charlie Brown.
They have this great songcalled you know, uh, happiness

(47:49):
is two scoops of ice cream.
We start singing about whathappiness is.
We all determine whatawesomeness is right and I love
finding out what people thinkawesomeness is, because you
might see people and I've workedwith some of the richest people
, most successful people you'veever heard of, and some of them
are the biggest, most frustrated, miserable people you've ever
met.

(48:09):
And yet you think they're sosuccessful.
And yet I've lived in Chile insome of the most humble
situations and those people arethe happiest people I've ever
met.
So I remember that we becomewhat we think about most of the
time.
That's Earl Nightingale 101.
But I learned that in doing therole of Charlie Brown because I
started experiencing what myuncle said.

(48:29):
You know that, that weight onmy shoulders.
I was going to be the bestCharlie Brown.
I got the yellow shirt, theblack zigzag.
I started taking acting classes, right.
I started reading all thecomics.
I I put paper bags on my head,I cut out the eyes.
You know, I said good griefeverywhere I went and I started

(48:52):
working on this one scene calledthe Doctor's Inn, where Lucy
tells Charlie Brown CharlieBrown, you got to come out and
talk about everything that'swrong with you.
And he does.
And so he says I'm not veryhandsome or clever or lucid.
I've always been stupid atspelling and numbers.
I've never been much playingfootball or baseball or
stickball or checkers or marblesor ping pong.
I'm usually awful at partiesand dances.
I stand like a stick or I coughor I laugh, or I don't bring a
present, or I spill the icecream, or I get so depressed

(49:13):
that I stand and I scream oh,how could there possibly be one
small person as thoroughly,totally, utterly blah as me?
If you say those words toyourself day in and day out, how
are you going to feel?
How are you going to perform?
I was failing math, stupid withspelling of numbers, right All

(49:35):
these things, and finally I justI didn't.
I'm not a depressed person, butI was acting like one.
Charlie Brown's prettydepressed if you watch him.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
And so I got still.
I went up to the temple wheremy parents were married and I
just got in my Pontiac GrandPrix and I sat there just
praying, meditating, and I foundyou've got to give yourself
time out.
We give it to our children Timeout.
Give yourself a time out for achange.
Get still.
My grandmother, after having astroke, told me that she's like
sometimes God compels us to bestill.

(50:05):
So I got still and in thatstillness I had the most amazing
experience.
I felt as if I heard somethingcome from my passenger seat that
said these words no-transcriptand I looked as if someone had

(50:26):
just said that to me and Irealized in that moment I had
achieved awesomeness.
If becoming Charlie Brown iswhat your target was, I had
literally become that kid and Iwas beating the snot out of
myself day in and day out.
How many of us do that?
I always ask that on stage tomy audience.

(50:46):
How many of you guys talk toyourselves?
A couple of hands go up.
I say well, those that aren'traising their hands are saying I
don't know, do I talk to myself?
You just did it right, and it'sa sign of genius, by the way.
But third, be careful what youtell yourself, because you might
believe it.
Because what killed HeathLedger the Joker?
He couldn't get out of thatrole and I was stuck in Charlie
Brown.
So I realized that comment Iheard, and I literally heard it.

(51:10):
I said, okay, hang up theyellow shirt, you know.
And I did, and I became NathanOsmond again.
And I learned that we playdifferent roles in this world.
Be careful which role you wantto take on, because it could
change you and it could kill you.
Just find balance, learn toturn it off.

(51:31):
That's what Donnie said afterthose three hours on his couch.
He says, nate, in life, we'reeither in the black or the white
.
Here's my advice to you Live inthe gray, you see, because he
was going through something likethese panic attacks and he was
asked to sing the nationalanthem at the San Francisco
49ers game, and it was right.
When he was hitting like a panicattack, they had a keyboard out

(51:53):
there.
And here he is, ladies andgentlemen, donny Osmond.
He goes walking out on thefield.
And as he's walking out on thefield, to top everything else
off, here's this big group ofguys with red and white jerseys
who go boo right and that just,oh, it just killed him.
And they don't know what he'sgoing through.
And here he's just got to puton that face.
But I got still.
And, nathan, I took charge ofmy situation, I walked myself

(52:17):
through it.
Oh say, can you see?
And he held that chord and hepaused Is something wrong by the
dawn's early light?
And now Jerry Rice, who wasn'tpaying attention, is now paying

(52:42):
attention.
Steve Young, who was over there, who wasn't paying attention,
is now paying attention.
What so proudly we hailed, he'sjust owning every note of that
song.
And then he gets to the highnotes and the land of the brave,
and just everyone went nuts andhe nailed it and as he's
walking off he felt so good.

(53:04):
See, that's what Frank sinatraused to do.
He come out on stage and hejust own it.
He did the bands playing,everyone's cheering and he
doesn't say a word for like twominutes.
He grabs a drink, takes a drink, he goes.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Thank, you for coming out tonight.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
He owned it.
That's what donnie did in thatmoment and he said nathan, I
felt so good having gone throughthat, walked myself through the
steps and then, right before Igot off the side of the field, I
looked at those guys in thosered jerseys and I said he said
they all laughed and I learnedto laugh at myself.
You got to learn to laugh atyourself.
Donnie said be careful of beingaround.

(53:37):
Yes, man, you learn that inbusiness.
Oh, you're the best, you're thegreatest.
You could do nothing wrong.
Baloney, don't be aroundnegative people, but be around
honest people have thick skin,cause not everybody's going to
like you in this business andyou have to be okay with that.
Your wife's not always going tolike you.
Now listen to her but everybodyelse their opinion of you

(54:00):
doesn't matter.
Les Brown, who you probablylistened to, he was on my
podcast and he he was labeledthe DT, the dumb twin.
He was born on the floor of anabandoned building in Miami, in
Liberty City, and he was justlabeled and his teacher pulled
him up in the front of the roomand he says all right, les, I
want you to do this math problem.
I can't do that.
I can't do that.
Why not, les?
Because I'm educational mentalretarded.

(54:22):
He said who told you that?
Right, and he got down on hislevel.
He said to him this changed,les Brown.
He says somebody's opinion ofyou does not have to become your
reality.
And so he'd pass that on to me.
He's.
I had some great coaches, youknow, from Les Brown to Andy
Andrews.
I've just been so honored torub shoulders.

(54:42):
And it was that whole seminarworld I was in that.
I became the mc and Iintroduced all these people on
stage donald drum, junior ivanka, you name it, I uh.
Kevin o'leary, george foreman,tony rock.
They became my friends.
I would travel on planes withthese guys.
That's cool.
I look at that as such greatopportunity and, once again,

(55:03):
that's not normal, but I justhope what they taught me to my
listeners and I'm grateful I canshare some of that wisdom here.
But the point is, do I have somuch more to learn?
Yeah, oh yeah, I'm so gratefulfor every day I'm reading books.
Every day I'm listening topodcasts.
I'm continuously trying toimprove, because am I where I

(55:24):
want to be yet?
Nope, but guess what?
I'm a work in progress.
I tell my wife that you knowthat I'm.
I'm working on me.
You know she is such a talentwhen it comes to real estate and
like designing and building.
She was raised by a builder andhas she's like Chip and Joanna
in one Right.
And that's why I tell people,that's why she married me,
because I'm her fixer upperRight.

(55:44):
She saw what I could be, notwhat I am, and that's how we
need to see our children as well.
When they make mistakes, lovethem.
Love them through it.
Don't take it personally.
It's hard not to when you'retheir parent.
You think it's an embarrassmentto you.
No, it's not.
This is their chapter.
This is what they're writingright now.
Now, am I doing all I possiblycan to teach my children?
If not, then fix that and, justlike in your spousal

(56:08):
relationship, be a greatlistener with your children and,
at the same time, learn to beempathetic, because I've never
been a dad before this life.
Right, this is my first time.
I'm a pioneer and I'm trying tolearn from those around me, but
I make mistakes, and we all doso.
If we'll just be a little bitmore forgiving of our spouse, of

(56:29):
our children, of ourselves, andlearn to love ourselves a
little bit more, because if hecan love us, why can't we love
ourselves?
And that's that was my takeawayfrom that Charlie Brown moment.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
I feel like we've gotten, uh, like coaching,
entertainment, entertainmentlike vulnerable moments.
Every question that I had toask you.
It's like I talk a lot.
No, he's answering the questionthat I had for him.
So what an amazing likedownload that you've given us

(57:01):
today.
Thanks for being vulnerableabout what's going on with
Nathan.
Um, thanks for being vulnerable, uh, about what's going on with
Nathan, and I think that thatlicense to be open about the
realness of life really helps alot of people when they say, hey
, you know, everybody's tryingto figure this out, yeah, and uh
, nobody's been, nobody's beenon this earth dealing with what

(57:23):
this risk got until this morning.
Yeah, and we're all trying todo our best and give it
ourselves a little bit of grace.
So, thank you, very cool tohave you here and be entertained
.
There's not a lot of peoplethat I listen to that I'm like
entertained.
While I'm listening to them,I'm usually engaged, but

(57:45):
entertained as a as a differentlevel.
So, thanks.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
I appreciate it.
That's, I used to be so shy,isn't that weird?
Yeah, I doubt that my fathersaved the show.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
It was a long, long time ago.
It was in 86.
Good morning America.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
This guy froze when Joan London said so, nathan, do
you enjoy this entertainmentbusiness?
Yes, ma'am, that's all he saidon the whole show.
So my father jumps in and saysoh yeah, the boys, they do this.
And then, as we're walking outof that studio in New York City,
he puts his arm around me.
He says Nathan, it's a talkshow.
Talk.
People want to hear what youhave to say.

(58:20):
And that changed me, because Iwas embarrassed on one hand, but
my hero said people want tohear what you have to say.
And I believed him.
So if you don't believe in youright now, sometimes you just
got to find someone thatbelieves in you and believe in
somebody else's belief in youuntil your own belief kicks in.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
That's the last thing I'm going to say.
Well, I'm going to ask you onemore question.
Oh, okay, what do you think itmeans to be a gentleman?

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Oh, wow means to be a gentleman.
Oh, wow, that is a greatquestion.
I think a gentleman is someoneon someone that's mad enough to
know he doesn't know it all.
I meet a lot of know-it-alls inthis business and in this world
and I love what Socrates said.

(59:05):
He says the more I know, themore I know I don't know and
that came from Socrates Nowthat's a humble giant right
there because he knew a lot.
But I think that the more weadmit that I don't know
everything but I want to and webecome better listeners, with
kindness, leading our family inrighteousness and with love

(59:27):
unfeigned, I think that agentleman is someone that puts
himself last.
It's not that he thinks less ofhimself, but he just thinks of
himself less.
A gentleman is one that sees aneed and feels a need.
Someone that takes the time tohelp a grandmother across the
street or to help a child withtheir homework.
You know who's not too busy tobe involved in their child or

(59:48):
their spouse's life.
I think a gentleman is someonethat sees the big picture and
admits that he is wrong when heis, and also is man enough to
appreciate the successes alongthe way without letting it go to
his head.
My Uncle, donnie, is a greatgentleman.
You know he was bigger thanJustin Bieber of his day and has

(01:00:13):
every reason to tout his hornand he doesn't.
And I've learned a lot from mysafe person and my father, who
was right there with him.
He was Donnie's coach.
You know he used to say, donnie, come over to this side of the
stage because he could see itfrom a different perspective.
That's why coaching is soimportant.
That's why podcasts are soimportant.

(01:00:33):
We can.
If you just took one thing fromthis interview, hopefully it
will help change your life forthe better.
But a gentleman is someone,says his piece and then is
seated, and so I'm going to dothat right now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
I've talked too much, but thank you for having me on
the show.
I appreciate it.
Yeah, if, uh, if, they want tofollow your podcast?

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
yes, achieving awesomeness now available on all
platforms, all platforms, andif you want to come experience
achieving awesomeness now summit, we're going to host it May
16th of the 18th.
It's going to be at thehomestead in midway, utah.
I got my parents coming tospeak.
I've got donnie's son chris isgoing to be there, eric, who's

(01:01:13):
jay's son's going to talk aboutphysical health, brandon boyd's
going to be there.
We got lindsey coleman, whosurvived five different types of
cancers.
You know all these guys havebeen on my show, which is
awesome.
We're bringing're bringing inTony Acosta.
We've got them swimming at thecrater across the street.
It's just going to be threedays of motivation, inspiration
and all things awesome, withgreat food too.

(01:01:34):
So I just would love to invitepeople to come up.
If you want to get ticketsthey're almost sold out but just
email my manager, denise Copel,and her email address is
achievingawesomenessnow atgmailcom and address is
achievingawesomenessnow atgmailcom and she'll give you all
the information Very cool.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Thank you.
Thank you, thanks for joiningus.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
And thanks everybody for listening and joining us and
spending time with us today.
If you like this podcast, makesure you share it with somebody
that you love and somebody'sname popped into your head that
you think might need to hearsome of the things that Nathan
talked about today.
Don't hesitate, forward it onto them and tell them that you
love them and that you thoughtabout them today.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
That makes a world of difference in somebody's day.
I'm Kirk Chug.
I'm Corey Moore.
Thanks everyone.

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