July 29, 2025 • 29 mins
President Donald Trump’s got some ’splainin’ to do.
ICYMI, the college sports landscape is changing by the minute — and the NCAA’s leaders are begging the federal government to intervene and start regulating name, image, and likeness deals. Enter: President Donald Trump. The suddenly sports-obsessed president signed his 176th executive order on July 24th, titled “SAVING COLLEGE SPORTS” — but what exactly did he accomplish? That’s what The GIST of It co-hosts Ellen Hyslop and Steph Rotz will explain in this episode. Buckle up.
Show notes:
Episode #433: A 4 Nations preview, plus Trump’s trans athlete ban
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ICYMI, the college sports landscape is changing by the minute — and the NCAA’s leaders are begging the federal government to intervene and start regulating name, image, and likeness deals. Enter: President Donald Trump. The suddenly sports-obsessed president signed his 176th executive order on July 24th, titled “SAVING COLLEGE SPORTS” — but what exactly did he accomplish? That’s what The GIST of It co-hosts Ellen Hyslop and Steph Rotz will explain in this episode. Buckle up.
Show notes:
Episode #433: A 4 Nations preview, plus Trump’s trans athlete ban
More on The GIST:
☎️ Leave us a voicemail! Call us at 1-437-564-5579 or hold down on this link
🎧 Subscribe: thegistsports.com/subscribepod
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
What's up, y'all?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Welcome or welcome back to another episode of The Gist
of It. Today's Tuesday, July twenty ninth.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
We're your co hosts.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I'm Ellen Hislop and I'm back with a microphone, baby,
and I'm I'm Steph Rutz.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I almost said I'm all in HiSLIP it happens, and
Steph is happy that I'm back with a microphone.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
I think, yeah. I love hearing your beautiful Chris voice.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I like being on the same page as each other
and not having to put my laptop right up to
my face so that the microphone is somewhat good. So
thank you everyone who still listened to the episodes last
week through the microphone SNAPHU. We are so excited to
be here because we are back with another classic.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I like to call them explainer.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Episodes, and I love these episodes because I feel like
they get to the core of the Gist and that
we're all about providing context and curation and education and
breaking down really difficult topics in the sports world. And
we felt like this was really needed because American President
Donald Trump is making sports headlines once again. In case
you missed it, on July twenty fourth, he signed yet
(01:13):
another executive order. This executive order was titled Saving College
Sports and it was in all caps, which I thought
was very sixteen year old, girlypop of him.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
And as we've.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Covered at length here at the Gist, the college sports
landscape really is changing by the day. And we've talked
about name, image and likeness on here before, We've talked
about the fallout of House versus NC DOUBLEA. It's all
very confusing where the world is at right now. And
I think that this extra executive order has people being like, Okay,
hold up, what are we doing? And we're going to
(01:44):
get into all of that today.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
While NIL has made it possible for college athletes to
actually make money to collect a well deserved paycheck, there
isn't one overarching system, and that's turned NC DOUBLEA Sports
into the wild wilde Wes. There's been a lot of
kind of scrambling to figure out how everything is going
to work in NCAA leadership has been lobbying Congress for
(02:09):
help regulating both NIL and the ever changing college sports landscape.
And this executive order is Trump's response to.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
That cry for help.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
That said executive orders are not laws, they're basically suggestions,
and today's episode will clear up exactly what Trump's newest
order does and does not accomplish, ahead of a new
season of college sports that we can look forward to
before zooming out on the president's preoccupation with sports, it's
just such a just so fixated, all caps fixated. We
(02:39):
are unfortunately so back with this one.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I really like the subtle term of preoccupation because he's
been all very preoccupied of protecting women's sports.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Also in quotations, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
She's doing the air quotes. You can't see them.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
We're doing a lot of air quotes there because he's not.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Anyway, let's I want to call an audible, please, I
march all of this. I really want to call an
audible because I want to talk about something that is
more clear and something that is very exciting, and that
is that for back to back summers, we are having
a summer of Summer Macintosh and for those of you
(03:21):
who are unfamiliar with Summer Macintosh, she is an eighteen
year old Canadian swimmer and she is being compared to
the likes of Michael Phelps. She's getting compared to the
likes of the Michael Jordan of swimming, the Serena Williams
of swimming, and she is having herself a time and
we need to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
We did cover her quite a bit, of course in
the twenty twenty four Paris Olympics, so if you were
with us for that chunk of time, then you've probably
heard her name before because she won three gold there
and one silver medal in Paris, and she has beaten
the likes of American swimming icon Katie Lideci in competition
and deck. He is known as the first lady of Freesell.
So this is Summer Macintosh is a big deal.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
And when we say freesell, obviously not the wrapping, we
mean the front crawl. When I to have freestyle be
the front crawl, I said, Okay, what are we doing here.
That's not a fun swim, that's just that's the most
basic swim.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
So Resell's what I do in the lake.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Just all kinds of peanut.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Butter jelly, that's what we're doing. That's what we're doing
in the lake. And we talked about her.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
She is Canadian, but this is everyone no matter where
you live, Summer Macintosh is the name to no Katie
Ledecki is the name to know in the same way
that Michael Phelps was a name to know in swimming.
And the reason why we're talking about her today is
because the World Aquatics Championship is in Singapore. Only one
person has ever won five individual gold medals at Worlds,
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and that is Michael Phelps and Macintosh just so happens
to be competing in five individual races at the competition
and has a chance to actually meet this record because
Steph at the time of recording, she's already won two
gold in these five races, so the four hundred meter
freestyle where she crushed Ladeci, and then the two hundred
(05:09):
meter individual medley.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
And I think, what's so cool Steph?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I had not to flex, I had the opportunity to
see her in Paris and that was one of the
coolest things I've ever been able to witness. And I
think what's so cool about Summer Macintosh in particular is
her versatility. When you were talking about Katie Ledecki being
the first Lady of freestyle is because she's so good
at the front crawl, but Summer Macintosh is literally good
(05:36):
at all of them, and so her winning the individual medley.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I think that's.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Freestyle, backstroke, butterfly, and breaststroke. And she's exceptional across the board,
which is why she's doing so well.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
So she needs to win two more medals, so the
four hundred meter individual freestyle, oh sorry, three, the two
hundred meter butterfly, and they ete hundred meter freesel to
tie with Michael Pepps record this week.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
And she thinks she can do it.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
She told the Associated Press that she's in the best
shape of her life and oh yeah, that's left to
do is execute.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
So she's confident.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
She's confident. I love that she says the best shape
of her life. She's eighteen.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I always you know what I mean, And I feel
like when we were a team who are like, oh man,
I'm in such great shape, I'm competing.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
So well whatever.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
But now that we're not fully double her age, but
we definitely have a decade plus on her, I'm like,
the best shape of your life, girlfriend, and your life's
just starting. But I love those statements from such young people.
It's really sweet.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Hot take.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I would say the best shape of my life from
a sports perspective was actually my late twenties.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Really, for a lot of women, it's actually in their
thirties because that's when our dur really cranks up.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
So the best is yet to come for us, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Okay, And so, as we all know and have probably seen,
there's executive orders flying left, right and center.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Right now, there's a.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Lot going on, and it feels like every facet of
whatever executive orders can live in.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
We live in the world of sports. Our production team
is the best, our writing team.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Is the best, and they have been following along really
everything that President Trump has been doing in the sports realm.
And today we're really going to be digging in, as
you mentioned, into the college sports funding. But we did
just want to do a quick nod to some prior episodes.
So in episode four three three and we link that
to the show notes, we talked about Trump's executive order
(07:39):
called Keeping Men Out of Women's Sports, and that was
a February bill that barred trans athletes and competing sports
that align with their gender identity. And then in last
Thursday's episode, we also at the beginning of the podcast
basically gave the update of what's happening with the USO PC,
(07:59):
so the us in Paralympic Committee. If you miss that Steph,
we'll just give a brief reminder of what we said
on Thursday.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Yeah, so we want to kind of keep you abreast
to everything that's happening from an executive order perspective with sports,
and so if you missed it, we talked about it
when we called an audible. So we just wanted to
focus here in the one big story. So last week,
the US Olympic and Paralympic Committee, as Ell mentioned, the
USOPC has in fact complied with that order that we
(08:27):
don't need to rename, which effectively bans trans athletes from
competing in the Olympic as well as the Paralympic Games.
The USOPC announcement echoes one made by the NCAA earlier
this year. It's worth noting that this legislation threatened to
rescind all funds from organizations that allow transgender athletes to
participate in women's sports.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
So we cover that more in the last episode if
you want to give a listen to that. We got
into it a little bit more. But today we want
to talk about college sports. And this is Trump's one
hundred and seventy six executive order, and he's really taking
aim at college athletics with it. It was signed last
week and in a nutshell, this order will try to
regulate how and where college athletes are paid, and it
(09:10):
unquestionably favors the NCUBA.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
So I do want to set the scene here.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
There needed to be something to be done across the
NCUBA because it did feel like the wild, wild West.
We have had the opportunity over the years to be
able to listen to some amazing panels and actually stuff.
I'm not sure if I told you this, but I
listened to a panel at WNBA All Star Weekend featuring
Val Ackerman, who basically runs everything in the Big East
(09:38):
and she's been a part of college athletics for a
really long time, and what she was saying is there
needs to be some structure around it. It's just getting
a little bit lost. Schools are getting left behind, some
athletes are getting left behind. But then at the same time,
there's a lot of struggle because a lot of it
is a lot of the funding has to do with football,
(09:58):
and so they're just it felt like this big open
market that nobody knew how to navigate, and so there
needs to be something. I think here, what's really tough
is that it unquestionably what the executive order does unquestionably
favors the NCAA as opposed to favoring the athletes, I
guess or the students and the programs that they want
(10:18):
to be moving into. And so that's just the context
here is that we knew that there need to be something.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And of course we're talking about this because as of
twenty twenty one, college athletics started to look really different
than it had in the past, because college athletes have
at that point now where they were now able to
profit off of their name, image and likeness, which they
couldn't do before. So we're going to refer to that
as NIL moving forward. After the Supreme Court ruled in
(10:46):
favor of college athletes after a bunch of antitrust cases
were brought forth, and then in the years since twenty
twenty one, players have been paid by third parties, including
NIL collectives through completely above board legal NIL deals, and
cash has been rolling in for a lot of college athletes,
like Pagebeckers, who raked in more than one point five
(11:08):
million during her senior year at Yukon thanks to deals
with Gatorade or Nike, and that would not have been
possible before this happened before NL.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Before Nil Steff like any amount of money that they got,
they could be suspended. So there's been some things in
the past with Reggie Bush and the likes where he
literally got like two hundred dollars and was suspended for playing.
There's so many wild stories like that where there needed
to be an end to this amateurism model where the
schools and the NCAA were making millions and over the
(11:40):
years billions from these athletes, and these athletes were only
seeing full ride scholarships in return, sometimes blowing out their
knees and never having an opportunity to play pro like
these were their prime years and there needed to be
something there, And so I think name, image and likeness
ended up being a bit of a wild West. But
at least it was just the endorsements, and I think
people could wrap their head around, Okay, it's a brand
(12:01):
endorsement deal. That's totally fine. But then the setup was
upset this past June when the House v NCAA also
ruled in favor of collegiate athletes, ensuring they can now
also be paid directly by their schools. And this is
what had everyone like, honestly so confused. So basically what
this means is that each college can spend up to
(12:22):
twenty point five million annually on student athletes, and so
for this upcoming college season. The way that it breaks
down in terms of how they can make money, they
could get third party NIL deals with Nike, with Gatorade,
with local car dealerships, whatever it is. Or they could
get paid directly from their schools, so essentially becoming an
employee in one case. There is still, though, this lack
(12:47):
of regulation in the NIL system. This twenty point five million,
not all schools have it. There's a little bit of
chaos as too. Is this on top of their full
red scholarships. And then there's this little thing called the
transfer portal which also changed really recently that just has
everyone like not knowing what's going to happen.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Yeah, because it affects it too.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
So athletes used to have to sit out like when
they transferred schools, and they don't have to do that anymore.
So they don't have to sit out a year when
they transfer. And there's been a lot of movement between
schools because athletes, especially in revenue generating sports like football
and basketball, could commit to schools who are going to
pay them more instead of committing to one program for
their entire collegiate career. Again, from an athlete focus perspective,
(13:33):
the transfer portal sounds great. Why are you penalized for
transferring schools? You don't know why that person's transferring AnyWho.
But I think what we're getting out here is not
only do student athletes have significantly more power now, but
the NCAA's competitive balance has been affected because of the
growing gap between schools and their associated collectives with a
ton of money and those without a ton of money.
(13:53):
And this resulted in NCAA leadership lobbying Congress for more
regulation in the college sports space with some sort of
feed law.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I think that summed up everything so well. Stuff is
just what is the power balance here? And they needed
help to figure it out. So that leads us to
this Executive Order, which is again, as we mentioned, not
a law, but a recommendation for how college athletic department
should operate. And it's a lot of what the NCUBA
had been lobbying Congress for. So the order is trying
to do four things. One, it will attempt to protect
(14:24):
women's in Olympic sports by setting benchmarks for scholarships.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
It will ban pay for play models in college sports,
though there are exceptions for endorsement and sponsorship deals with
third parties. So coming back to the NIL, it encourages
a review of student athlete employment status, which likely means
that under a Republican government, the right for student athletes
to organize will be lost. So to unionize to say
(14:50):
that they're an employee not really the case here. And
then it wants to hand rule making power back to
the NCUBLA, its conferences and college sports governing bodies and
take it away from courts and state legislatures, which I
think some of that rationale is that there needs to
be something at the national level and then the subconferences
(15:12):
so that there can be consistency.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Yeah, the red flake for me, the young comfy part
of all of this. If all of these anti trust
cases have taught us anything over the years, it's that
limiting athlete compensation isn't the answer. Limiting their voice, their
ability to organize, their ability to engage with the legal system,
that is.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
That's the ick I would say here.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
When it comes to thinking about how this could actually
affect college athletics. But of course, protecting women's and Olympic
sports that don't typically and this isn't all sports generate
substantive revenue.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
That is important.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
We want to, you know, foster these different programs to
make sure that they can stick around in this new landscape.
But yeah, I don't know that's those are That's two
sides of the coin.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
And like, that's so hard to write, Steph, Like I
don't have an answer here. It is so hard to
regulate in this nil era. It is so hard to
regulate in this athlete's being paid era, whether it's a
collective bargaining agreement or student athletes becoming university employees.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
I don't know what's right here.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I think what's hard is that a lot of these
deals are going to be subjective to external regulation, which again,
how do they know it's working. They're going to be
more so centering themselves as opposed to students, and I
think that student athletes are really to your point, Steff, again,
looking for these student friendly rights, I think they aren't.
(16:43):
What I'll say altogether about this executive order, and this
might be a little bit of a hot take, I
wouldn't say that it's like at least that's surprising to me.
I think what they're trying to do here is saying
we've still pushed amateurism so far. There is still going
to be opportunity for them to make millions directly from
school and from nil, but we are still going to
(17:04):
have these governing bodies be the law essentially at the
end of the day. And so while it's not the
most athlete friendly executive order, when it comes to today,
it is like a even compared to like five, six, seven,
eight years ago. It's a huge growth and there is
so much changing in college all the time that it
(17:27):
is still trending in the right direction.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Hmm.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
And there's definitely been discussions and discussions that need to
continue around the expectations of student athletes and are they
able to fully function and flourish as students as well
as athletes, and how that factors into all of this,
which is why their ability to organize would be really
important too. But there's just so many there's so many
(17:52):
things to take into consideration. So let's question, now, what
does this new executive order actually do? And right now
now the answer is nothing. And executive order is not
a law. Executive orders can also can't provide anti trust
exemptions and can't override state laws. Meaning at this point
there's no impetus for schools to follow these recommendations. But
(18:13):
you know who can do something about this, and that's Congress.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
And this is good and bad, right, Like, we actually
do want those schools to follow things for Olympic sports
and for women's sports, because otherwise some schools literally won't
they will fully focus on men's football, men's basketball, and
maybe women's basketball, depending on the school and depending on
the conference. Right, So I think that we have to
think about it's a balance here, and there's different ways
(18:41):
for us to be looking at it on the whole,
and it really depends on I don't know what you
think and where we think college sports are going. Congress
will have a related bill to debate on the House
floor in September, which is somehow just around the corner.
It's called the SCORE Act, and it stands for Student
Compensation and Opportunity through Rights and endorsements. And the SCORE
(19:01):
Act aligns with much of what this executive order stands for.
It's been heavily criticized for everything from giving the NCAA
too much power and colluding to remove athlete rights to
favoring the organization's wealthy of schools. And again that's really
not what we want. We want the power balance to
be there, and the same power balance that we had
(19:23):
in the amateurism side of things stuff. But we just
want those athletes to be able to make money and
the way that they deserve to be making money because
they're making so much money for these schools and organizations.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Yeah, that's what gets me too.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
And they really are treated like employees even if they aren't,
you know what I mean, Like total ccations.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
On these kids is wild.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
So taking away the rights to you know, bring antitrust
suites against the NCAA and court is just not what
we're looking for here. So given the wide range of
criticisms of this particular score Act, some of which came
directly from professional sports players associations like NFL the NBA,
the Score Act is unlikely.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
To pass through the Senate.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
You never know, but it is the latest attempt by
lawmakers to legislate college sports.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
It's tough sports and politics. We've talked about this so
many times on the podcast, stuff like they're always going
to be intrinsically linked.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
However, I did.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Not expect nor would hope, that Trump would use so
much of his agenda to push things in sports and
to elevate his platform through sports.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
To me, feels unnecessary and that there's other things that
are going on that are arguably more important. We've seen
so many things like him at the World Cup ceremony,
being in the middle of the Club World Cup celebration,
a UFC fight at the White House, just seems so
ridiculous to me that that is even in the conversation.
(20:52):
And then there's these kind of divisive executive orders, and
I think in particular the one that we talked about
in the last episode and the one that we were
talking talking about with at the beginning, and I don't
even want to name it, like that one, to me, I'm.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
And then this college sports one. I think that there
still is a better way, but there's still so much
confusion about what the goal is and where athletes are
sitting and where NCAA is sitting. And I think the
hard part stuff is that it's different in every single conference.
It's different with every single school, it's different with every
single athlete.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
And I don't envy anyone.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Who is on this path of trying to organize this
new college sports world.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I really don't.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
It's time for our personal training sesh. This is where
we would love to answer your heart ending questions about anything,
and we mean anything in the sports world. We also
welcome commentary, hot tags, anything that we can react to.
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Actually, so, Seph, do you want to read it?
Speaker 4 (22:33):
I would love to.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
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Thank you for being here. Also, what great questions. I
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to start new Gist is always welcome. We are so
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(23:14):
let's get into why we have a Canadian and an
American newsletter and what you should subscribe to. I think
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see ourselves as your witty, sports obsessed best friend that's
keeping you in the know of what's going on in sports,
(23:36):
while equally covering men's and women's sports and focusing on
this everyday fan. And we knew that there was a
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And so what you'll notice, actually Joyce is that we
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also have city specific sections for I think it's nine
(24:21):
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I think also too, we are business people and we're
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And this was before the just.
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Expanded and kind of change.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
But Target, and I don't know if people really remember this,
but Target actually tried to enter Canada and miserably failed,
and that is because they underestimated how different the Canadians
consumer is in comparison to the American consumer, it's wildly different.
And so it's really important to us that we're serving
Americans differently than we're serving Canadians because our gisters deserve that.
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And so we have a content team that's American and Canadian.
We have people in those local cities who really understand
the nuances. We really are talking about different things or
might have different orders of different things within the newsletter.
And then to your point about the advertisers too, Joyce,
for sure, totally different advertisers on the Canadian side sometimes
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than they are on the American side, or there might
be companies that want to come in and work across
North America. We can really serve as that Canadian extension.
So you can subscribe to whatever one you want. If
you live in the US, subscribe to the US. If
you live in Canada, would recommend that you subscribe to
the Canadian side of things. And then the podcast though
(25:56):
you just get it all, you get it all you
could see it. And then we have an Instagram that's
also the Just USA and the Just CA.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Subscribe wherever you live.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
If someone doesn't live in Canada or America, which option
would you recommend that they choose.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
So you definitely you don't have to choose an option.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
But what I would recommend is the US personally, I
think that it's just a little bit more broad and
more broad in that that's probably what you would see
a little bit more of.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
On the main side of things.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
There's a little unless you like hockey, if you're like
really into hockey, if you're really into Canadians specifically, I
think the American side is a little bit more broad
and it will serve you just the same if you're
in the UK or Australia or something like that.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Fascinating.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Thank you so much Ellan for taking taking that question,
because you were certainly the expert is one of the
founders to take that question, So thank you.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yes, of course, and thank you Joyce, and thank you
everyone for listening.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
To today's episode. Thank you so much for tuning in.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
We will be back in your feed with a new
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Speaker 1 (27:07):
So thank you all so much for doing that.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
This episode was edited by Savannah Hald and produced by
Lisa Minnutillo, Katie Keijo Foster, and Alessandra Puccio.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Again, I'm Steph Ratz and.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I'm Ellen Hitslap.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Reach out to us, ask all of your writing questions,
and we'll chat with you again on Thursday, but did
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not
What's up, y'all?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Welcome or welcome back to another episode of The Gist
of It. Today's Tuesday, July twenty ninth.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
We're your co hosts.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I'm Ellen Hislop and I'm back with a microphone, baby,
and I'm I'm Steph Rutz.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I almost said I'm all in HiSLIP it happens, and
Steph is happy that I'm back with a microphone.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
I think, yeah. I love hearing your beautiful Chris voice.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I like being on the same page as each other
and not having to put my laptop right up to
my face so that the microphone is somewhat good. So
thank you everyone who still listened to the episodes last
week through the microphone SNAPHU. We are so excited to
be here because we are back with another classic.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I like to call them explainer.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Episodes, and I love these episodes because I feel like
they get to the core of the Gist and that
we're all about providing context and curation and education and
breaking down really difficult topics in the sports world. And
we felt like this was really needed because American President
Donald Trump is making sports headlines once again. In case
you missed it, on July twenty fourth, he signed yet
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another executive order. This executive order was titled Saving College
Sports and it was in all caps, which I thought
was very sixteen year old, girlypop of him.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
And as we've.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Covered at length here at the Gist, the college sports
landscape really is changing by the day. And we've talked
about name, image and likeness on here before, We've talked
about the fallout of House versus NC DOUBLEA. It's all
very confusing where the world is at right now. And
I think that this extra executive order has people being like, Okay,
hold up, what are we doing? And we're going to
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get into all of that today.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
While NIL has made it possible for college athletes to
actually make money to collect a well deserved paycheck, there
isn't one overarching system, and that's turned NC DOUBLEA Sports
into the wild wilde Wes. There's been a lot of
kind of scrambling to figure out how everything is going
to work in NCAA leadership has been lobbying Congress for
(02:09):
help regulating both NIL and the ever changing college sports landscape.
And this executive order is Trump's response to.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
That cry for help.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
That said executive orders are not laws, they're basically suggestions,
and today's episode will clear up exactly what Trump's newest
order does and does not accomplish, ahead of a new
season of college sports that we can look forward to
before zooming out on the president's preoccupation with sports, it's
just such a just so fixated, all caps fixated. We
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are unfortunately so back with this one.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I really like the subtle term of preoccupation because he's
been all very preoccupied of protecting women's sports.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Also in quotations, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
She's doing the air quotes. You can't see them.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
We're doing a lot of air quotes there because he's not.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Anyway, let's I want to call an audible, please, I
march all of this. I really want to call an
audible because I want to talk about something that is
more clear and something that is very exciting, and that
is that for back to back summers, we are having
a summer of Summer Macintosh and for those of you
(03:21):
who are unfamiliar with Summer Macintosh, she is an eighteen
year old Canadian swimmer and she is being compared to
the likes of Michael Phelps. She's getting compared to the
likes of the Michael Jordan of swimming, the Serena Williams
of swimming, and she is having herself a time and
we need to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
We did cover her quite a bit, of course in
the twenty twenty four Paris Olympics, so if you were
with us for that chunk of time, then you've probably
heard her name before because she won three gold there
and one silver medal in Paris, and she has beaten
the likes of American swimming icon Katie Lideci in competition
and deck. He is known as the first lady of Freesell.
So this is Summer Macintosh is a big deal.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
And when we say freesell, obviously not the wrapping, we
mean the front crawl. When I to have freestyle be
the front crawl, I said, Okay, what are we doing here.
That's not a fun swim, that's just that's the most
basic swim.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
So Resell's what I do in the lake.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Just all kinds of peanut.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Butter jelly, that's what we're doing. That's what we're doing
in the lake. And we talked about her.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
She is Canadian, but this is everyone no matter where
you live, Summer Macintosh is the name to no Katie
Ledecki is the name to know in the same way
that Michael Phelps was a name to know in swimming.
And the reason why we're talking about her today is
because the World Aquatics Championship is in Singapore. Only one
person has ever won five individual gold medals at Worlds,
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and that is Michael Phelps and Macintosh just so happens
to be competing in five individual races at the competition
and has a chance to actually meet this record because
Steph at the time of recording, she's already won two
gold in these five races, so the four hundred meter
freestyle where she crushed Ladeci, and then the two hundred
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meter individual medley.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
And I think, what's so cool Steph?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I had not to flex, I had the opportunity to
see her in Paris and that was one of the
coolest things I've ever been able to witness. And I
think what's so cool about Summer Macintosh in particular is
her versatility. When you were talking about Katie Ledecki being
the first Lady of freestyle is because she's so good
at the front crawl, but Summer Macintosh is literally good
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at all of them, and so her winning the individual medley.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I think that's.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Freestyle, backstroke, butterfly, and breaststroke. And she's exceptional across the board,
which is why she's doing so well.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
So she needs to win two more medals, so the
four hundred meter individual freestyle, oh sorry, three, the two
hundred meter butterfly, and they ete hundred meter freesel to
tie with Michael Pepps record this week.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
And she thinks she can do it.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
She told the Associated Press that she's in the best
shape of her life and oh yeah, that's left to
do is execute.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
So she's confident.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
She's confident. I love that she says the best shape
of her life. She's eighteen.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I always you know what I mean, And I feel
like when we were a team who are like, oh man,
I'm in such great shape, I'm competing.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
So well whatever.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
But now that we're not fully double her age, but
we definitely have a decade plus on her, I'm like,
the best shape of your life, girlfriend, and your life's
just starting. But I love those statements from such young people.
It's really sweet.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Hot take.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I would say the best shape of my life from
a sports perspective was actually my late twenties.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Really, for a lot of women, it's actually in their
thirties because that's when our dur really cranks up.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
So the best is yet to come for us, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Okay, And so, as we all know and have probably seen,
there's executive orders flying left, right and center.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Right now, there's a.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Lot going on, and it feels like every facet of
whatever executive orders can live in.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
We live in the world of sports. Our production team
is the best, our writing team.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Is the best, and they have been following along really
everything that President Trump has been doing in the sports realm.
And today we're really going to be digging in, as
you mentioned, into the college sports funding. But we did
just want to do a quick nod to some prior episodes.
So in episode four three three and we link that
to the show notes, we talked about Trump's executive order
(07:39):
called Keeping Men Out of Women's Sports, and that was
a February bill that barred trans athletes and competing sports
that align with their gender identity. And then in last
Thursday's episode, we also at the beginning of the podcast
basically gave the update of what's happening with the USO PC,
(07:59):
so the us in Paralympic Committee. If you miss that Steph,
we'll just give a brief reminder of what we said
on Thursday.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Yeah, so we want to kind of keep you abreast
to everything that's happening from an executive order perspective with sports,
and so if you missed it, we talked about it
when we called an audible. So we just wanted to
focus here in the one big story. So last week,
the US Olympic and Paralympic Committee, as Ell mentioned, the
USOPC has in fact complied with that order that we
(08:27):
don't need to rename, which effectively bans trans athletes from
competing in the Olympic as well as the Paralympic Games.
The USOPC announcement echoes one made by the NCAA earlier
this year. It's worth noting that this legislation threatened to
rescind all funds from organizations that allow transgender athletes to
participate in women's sports.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
So we cover that more in the last episode if
you want to give a listen to that. We got
into it a little bit more. But today we want
to talk about college sports. And this is Trump's one
hundred and seventy six executive order, and he's really taking
aim at college athletics with it. It was signed last
week and in a nutshell, this order will try to
regulate how and where college athletes are paid, and it
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unquestionably favors the NCUBA.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
So I do want to set the scene here.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
There needed to be something to be done across the
NCUBA because it did feel like the wild, wild West.
We have had the opportunity over the years to be
able to listen to some amazing panels and actually stuff.
I'm not sure if I told you this, but I
listened to a panel at WNBA All Star Weekend featuring
Val Ackerman, who basically runs everything in the Big East
(09:38):
and she's been a part of college athletics for a
really long time, and what she was saying is there
needs to be some structure around it. It's just getting
a little bit lost. Schools are getting left behind, some
athletes are getting left behind. But then at the same time,
there's a lot of struggle because a lot of it
is a lot of the funding has to do with football,
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and so they're just it felt like this big open
market that nobody knew how to navigate, and so there
needs to be something. I think here, what's really tough
is that it unquestionably what the executive order does unquestionably
favors the NCAA as opposed to favoring the athletes, I
guess or the students and the programs that they want
(10:18):
to be moving into. And so that's just the context
here is that we knew that there need to be something.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And of course we're talking about this because as of
twenty twenty one, college athletics started to look really different
than it had in the past, because college athletes have
at that point now where they were now able to
profit off of their name, image and likeness, which they
couldn't do before. So we're going to refer to that
as NIL moving forward. After the Supreme Court ruled in
(10:46):
favor of college athletes after a bunch of antitrust cases
were brought forth, and then in the years since twenty
twenty one, players have been paid by third parties, including
NIL collectives through completely above board legal NIL deals, and
cash has been rolling in for a lot of college athletes,
like Pagebeckers, who raked in more than one point five
(11:08):
million during her senior year at Yukon thanks to deals
with Gatorade or Nike, and that would not have been
possible before this happened before NL.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Before Nil Steff like any amount of money that they got,
they could be suspended. So there's been some things in
the past with Reggie Bush and the likes where he
literally got like two hundred dollars and was suspended for playing.
There's so many wild stories like that where there needed
to be an end to this amateurism model where the
schools and the NCAA were making millions and over the
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years billions from these athletes, and these athletes were only
seeing full ride scholarships in return, sometimes blowing out their
knees and never having an opportunity to play pro like
these were their prime years and there needed to be
something there, And so I think name, image and likeness
ended up being a bit of a wild West. But
at least it was just the endorsements, and I think
people could wrap their head around, Okay, it's a brand
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endorsement deal. That's totally fine. But then the setup was
upset this past June when the House v NCAA also
ruled in favor of collegiate athletes, ensuring they can now
also be paid directly by their schools. And this is
what had everyone like, honestly so confused. So basically what
this means is that each college can spend up to
(12:22):
twenty point five million annually on student athletes, and so
for this upcoming college season. The way that it breaks
down in terms of how they can make money, they
could get third party NIL deals with Nike, with Gatorade,
with local car dealerships, whatever it is. Or they could
get paid directly from their schools, so essentially becoming an
employee in one case. There is still, though, this lack
(12:47):
of regulation in the NIL system. This twenty point five million,
not all schools have it. There's a little bit of
chaos as too. Is this on top of their full
red scholarships. And then there's this little thing called the
transfer portal which also changed really recently that just has
everyone like not knowing what's going to happen.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Yeah, because it affects it too.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
So athletes used to have to sit out like when
they transferred schools, and they don't have to do that anymore.
So they don't have to sit out a year when
they transfer. And there's been a lot of movement between
schools because athletes, especially in revenue generating sports like football
and basketball, could commit to schools who are going to
pay them more instead of committing to one program for
their entire collegiate career. Again, from an athlete focus perspective,
(13:33):
the transfer portal sounds great. Why are you penalized for
transferring schools? You don't know why that person's transferring AnyWho.
But I think what we're getting out here is not
only do student athletes have significantly more power now, but
the NCAA's competitive balance has been affected because of the
growing gap between schools and their associated collectives with a
ton of money and those without a ton of money.
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And this resulted in NCAA leadership lobbying Congress for more
regulation in the college sports space with some sort of
feed law.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I think that summed up everything so well. Stuff is
just what is the power balance here? And they needed
help to figure it out. So that leads us to
this Executive Order, which is again, as we mentioned, not
a law, but a recommendation for how college athletic department
should operate. And it's a lot of what the NCUBA
had been lobbying Congress for. So the order is trying
to do four things. One, it will attempt to protect
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women's in Olympic sports by setting benchmarks for scholarships.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
It will ban pay for play models in college sports,
though there are exceptions for endorsement and sponsorship deals with
third parties. So coming back to the NIL, it encourages
a review of student athlete employment status, which likely means
that under a Republican government, the right for student athletes
to organize will be lost. So to unionize to say
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that they're an employee not really the case here. And
then it wants to hand rule making power back to
the NCUBLA, its conferences and college sports governing bodies and
take it away from courts and state legislatures, which I
think some of that rationale is that there needs to
be something at the national level and then the subconferences
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so that there can be consistency.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Yeah, the red flake for me, the young comfy part
of all of this. If all of these anti trust
cases have taught us anything over the years, it's that
limiting athlete compensation isn't the answer. Limiting their voice, their
ability to organize, their ability to engage with the legal system,
that is.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
That's the ick I would say here.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
When it comes to thinking about how this could actually
affect college athletics. But of course, protecting women's and Olympic
sports that don't typically and this isn't all sports generate
substantive revenue.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
That is important.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
We want to, you know, foster these different programs to
make sure that they can stick around in this new landscape.
But yeah, I don't know that's those are That's two
sides of the coin.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
And like, that's so hard to write, Steph, Like I
don't have an answer here. It is so hard to
regulate in this nil era. It is so hard to
regulate in this athlete's being paid era, whether it's a
collective bargaining agreement or student athletes becoming university employees.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
I don't know what's right here.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I think what's hard is that a lot of these
deals are going to be subjective to external regulation, which again,
how do they know it's working. They're going to be
more so centering themselves as opposed to students, and I
think that student athletes are really to your point, Steff, again,
looking for these student friendly rights, I think they aren't.
(16:43):
What I'll say altogether about this executive order, and this
might be a little bit of a hot take, I
wouldn't say that it's like at least that's surprising to me.
I think what they're trying to do here is saying
we've still pushed amateurism so far. There is still going
to be opportunity for them to make millions directly from
school and from nil, but we are still going to
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have these governing bodies be the law essentially at the
end of the day. And so while it's not the
most athlete friendly executive order, when it comes to today,
it is like a even compared to like five, six, seven,
eight years ago. It's a huge growth and there is
so much changing in college all the time that it
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is still trending in the right direction.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Hmm.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
And there's definitely been discussions and discussions that need to
continue around the expectations of student athletes and are they
able to fully function and flourish as students as well
as athletes, and how that factors into all of this,
which is why their ability to organize would be really
important too. But there's just so many there's so many
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things to take into consideration. So let's question, now, what
does this new executive order actually do? And right now
now the answer is nothing. And executive order is not
a law. Executive orders can also can't provide anti trust
exemptions and can't override state laws. Meaning at this point
there's no impetus for schools to follow these recommendations. But
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you know who can do something about this, and that's Congress.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
And this is good and bad, right, Like, we actually
do want those schools to follow things for Olympic sports
and for women's sports, because otherwise some schools literally won't
they will fully focus on men's football, men's basketball, and
maybe women's basketball, depending on the school and depending on
the conference. Right, So I think that we have to
think about it's a balance here, and there's different ways
(18:41):
for us to be looking at it on the whole,
and it really depends on I don't know what you
think and where we think college sports are going. Congress
will have a related bill to debate on the House
floor in September, which is somehow just around the corner.
It's called the SCORE Act, and it stands for Student
Compensation and Opportunity through Rights and endorsements. And the SCORE
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Act aligns with much of what this executive order stands for.
It's been heavily criticized for everything from giving the NCAA
too much power and colluding to remove athlete rights to
favoring the organization's wealthy of schools. And again that's really
not what we want. We want the power balance to
be there, and the same power balance that we had
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in the amateurism side of things stuff. But we just
want those athletes to be able to make money and
the way that they deserve to be making money because
they're making so much money for these schools and organizations.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Yeah, that's what gets me too.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
And they really are treated like employees even if they aren't,
you know what I mean, Like total ccations.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
On these kids is wild.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
So taking away the rights to you know, bring antitrust
suites against the NCAA and court is just not what
we're looking for here. So given the wide range of
criticisms of this particular score Act, some of which came
directly from professional sports players associations like NFL the NBA,
the Score Act is unlikely.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
To pass through the Senate.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
You never know, but it is the latest attempt by
lawmakers to legislate college sports.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
It's tough sports and politics. We've talked about this so
many times on the podcast, stuff like they're always going
to be intrinsically linked.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
However, I did.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Not expect nor would hope, that Trump would use so
much of his agenda to push things in sports and
to elevate his platform through sports.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
To me, feels unnecessary and that there's other things that
are going on that are arguably more important. We've seen
so many things like him at the World Cup ceremony,
being in the middle of the Club World Cup celebration,
a UFC fight at the White House, just seems so
ridiculous to me that that is even in the conversation.
(20:52):
And then there's these kind of divisive executive orders, and
I think in particular the one that we talked about
in the last episode and the one that we were
talking talking about with at the beginning, and I don't
even want to name it, like that one, to me, I'm.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
And then this college sports one. I think that there
still is a better way, but there's still so much
confusion about what the goal is and where athletes are
sitting and where NCAA is sitting. And I think the
hard part stuff is that it's different in every single conference.
It's different with every single school, it's different with every
single athlete.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
And I don't envy anyone.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Who is on this path of trying to organize this
new college sports world.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I really don't.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
It's time for our personal training sesh. This is where
we would love to answer your heart ending questions about anything,
and we mean anything in the sports world. We also
welcome commentary, hot tags, anything that we can react to.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
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Joyce emailed us a question.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Actually, so, Seph, do you want to read it?
Speaker 4 (22:33):
I would love to.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
So Joyce said, good morning, I just discovered your podcast
by complete accident.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I have a lot to listen to.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
What a treat I am signing up for your newsletter
and I am given the option of USA or Canadian? How
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Joyce, thank you so much for this great question. Thank
you for emailing. I'm so glad that you found us.
Thank you for being here. Also, what great questions. I
love it get in the lay of the land. So Joyce,
to start new Gist is always welcome. We are so
happy that you are here, and I'm really happy to
explain also why we have a Canadian American newsletter. So
(23:14):
let's get into why we have a Canadian and an
American newsletter and what you should subscribe to. I think
the biggest thing is that when we started the Gist,
it was founded in Toronto, but we knew that we
always wanted to expand into the US. And we really
see ourselves as your witty, sports obsessed best friend that's
keeping you in the know of what's going on in sports,
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while equally covering men's and women's sports and focusing on
this everyday fan. And we knew that there was a
gap in coverage both on the Canadian side, but also
the American side, and why we wanted to have different
content is I think twofold one is that sports are
super local experience. What Canadians enjoy is very different what
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Americans enjoy. But also what someone in Boston enjoys reading
about and is a fan of is really different than
what someone in Seattle enjoys about and is really involved in.
And so what you'll notice, actually Joyce is that we
have a Canadian newsletter and American newsletter, and then we
also have city specific sections for I think it's nine
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different cities across the US, because we really wanted to
lean into that localized nature of being a sports fan
and what's going to be talked about in your family
room or at the office or when you're out with
your friends, and having those kind of cultural touch points.
I think also too, we are business people and we're
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staying in touch of how Canadians and Americans are different.
And this was before the just.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Expanded and kind of change.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
But Target, and I don't know if people really remember this,
but Target actually tried to enter Canada and miserably failed,
and that is because they underestimated how different the Canadians
consumer is in comparison to the American consumer, it's wildly different.
And so it's really important to us that we're serving
Americans differently than we're serving Canadians because our gisters deserve that.
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And so we have a content team that's American and Canadian.
We have people in those local cities who really understand
the nuances. We really are talking about different things or
might have different orders of different things within the newsletter.
And then to your point about the advertisers too, Joyce,
for sure, totally different advertisers on the Canadian side sometimes
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than they are on the American side, or there might
be companies that want to come in and work across
North America. We can really serve as that Canadian extension.
So you can subscribe to whatever one you want. If
you live in the US, subscribe to the US. If
you live in Canada, would recommend that you subscribe to
the Canadian side of things. And then the podcast though
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you just get it all, you get it all you
could see it. And then we have an Instagram that's
also the Just USA and the Just CA.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Subscribe wherever you live.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
If someone doesn't live in Canada or America, which option
would you recommend that they choose.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
So you definitely you don't have to choose an option.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
But what I would recommend is the US personally, I
think that it's just a little bit more broad and
more broad in that that's probably what you would see
a little bit more of.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
On the main side of things.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
There's a little unless you like hockey, if you're like
really into hockey, if you're really into Canadians specifically, I
think the American side is a little bit more broad
and it will serve you just the same if you're
in the UK or Australia or something like that.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Fascinating.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Thank you so much Ellan for taking taking that question,
because you were certainly the expert is one of the
founders to take that question, So thank you.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yes, of course, and thank you Joyce, and thank you
everyone for listening.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
To today's episode. Thank you so much for tuning in.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
We will be back in your feed with a new
podcast on Thursday, but in the meantime, if you enjoyed
this episode, you know the drill. We'd love for you
to rate, review and subscribe, and probably some of that
rating and reviewing helped Joyce fine the gist of it.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
So thank you all so much for doing that.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
This episode was edited by Savannah Hald and produced by
Lisa Minnutillo, Katie Keijo Foster, and Alessandra Puccio.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Again, I'm Steph Ratz and.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I'm Ellen Hitslap.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Reach out to us, ask all of your writing questions,
and we'll chat with you again on Thursday, but did
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