September 30, 2025 • 39 mins
It’s all fun and games until someone throws a beer.
And unfortunately, that’s exactly what happened at the Ryder Cup over the weekend. The biennial men’s golf competition between Team USA and Team Europe reached new levels of drama this year, as fans at NY’s Bethpage Black berated the European golfers, even launching physical attacks at members of their families.
On today’s episode of The GIST of It, co-hosts Ellen Hyslop and Steph Rotz detail and react to the spectator behavior at the Ryder Cup before considering what to expect with the U.S. hosting two more major international team competitions through President Donald Trump’s second term: the 2026 men’s FIFA World Cup and the 2028 LA Olympics.
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And unfortunately, that’s exactly what happened at the Ryder Cup over the weekend. The biennial men’s golf competition between Team USA and Team Europe reached new levels of drama this year, as fans at NY’s Bethpage Black berated the European golfers, even launching physical attacks at members of their families.
On today’s episode of The GIST of It, co-hosts Ellen Hyslop and Steph Rotz detail and react to the spectator behavior at the Ryder Cup before considering what to expect with the U.S. hosting two more major international team competitions through President Donald Trump’s second term: the 2026 men’s FIFA World Cup and the 2028 LA Olympics.
This episode was brought to you by Amazon Business, the ultimate partner for smart business buying. Amazon Business offers a one-stop shop for all of your business needs, helping companies of all shapes and sizes simplify their purchasing process. Learn more by checking out business.amazon.com today.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
What's up, y'all?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome or welcome back to another episode of The Gist
of It. Today's Tuesday, September thirtieth. We're your co hosts.
I'm Ellen Hisslap.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
And I'm Steph Rotts, and I know that Today's Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
We famously record on Monday nights, and so my brain,
Steph is still stuck. On the weekend, I didn't play sports. Well,
actually I played golf this weekend. Broke a hundred everyone humble,
breg But I was spending most of my time watching
the Ryder Cup this weekend. I know that you are
spending most of your weekend watching hockey or sorry, playing
(00:41):
hockey and watching the WNBA.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
And the Woman's Rugby World Cup. I did watch that.
That was so much fun. That is over, though, But
it's timely that you were talking about golf.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, it is because my favorite tournament happened over the weekend, and.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
That's the Ryder Cup.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
And for those of you who are aren't familiar, we've
chat about it on the podcast beforehand.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
But it's a biennial, fancy way.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
To say, every two years men's golf competition that pits
Team USA against Team Europe. It's a very spicy tournament,
notoriously spicy.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
There's drama in the past.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Each continent is playing for pride, the US is playing
for pride. No one is paying for money, except for
this year. There was some charity happenings which we would
love to see.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Things are always spicy, but I would say stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
This year, things completely got out of hand in a
way that was not great. And I don't mean just
like golf out of hand, because golf out of hand
is one thing.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I mean out of hand for sports.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yes, which is why it's still top of mind, yes today,
because it's all Also, since I didn't watch it live,
it was spilling over onto my news feed on Monday yesterday,
and as soon as I learned all about this, it's
now all I can think about. So this edition of
the Ryder Cup was held at Bethpage Black in New York.
(02:03):
Team Europe had the Americans number all weekend long, beating
them on the greens through the first two days of
competition before Team USA did launch a pretty strong comeback
on Sunday, the final day of match play. In the end,
though Team Europe did win, they did come out on top,
becoming the first team to win a Ryder Cup on
(02:23):
the road since twenty twelve, and.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
They're also back to back champions now. They ended up
winning fifteen thirteen. I think that they were up by
seven step if memory serves me correctly before coming into Sunday.
So that was all kind of like team format. We
won't go through every single format. But then the match
play on the Sunday is basically just one against one
and it's so scary and it's so annoying, And after
watching Bryson Deshambeau play Matt Fitzpatrick, I have so many
(02:48):
thoughts and feelings that we'll get onto later on. The
golf was really good, you said it, Beth Page is
a really hard course. The crowds were super into it,
but unfortunately some of the conversation around the actual play
has been pushed to the side because of the fan behavior.
And I will say the fan behavior felt very out
of control. It really felt like the organizers just lost
(03:09):
control of the experience and what Best Page was like.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
There was a.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Lot of heckling aimed at Team Europe, which was very Lewde,
very loud, very personal, and I think that all of
it really pushed the boundaries of what's considered friendly competition
and how involved spectators should be, especially because Steph, when
we think about golf as a sport, the only thing
that is separating a spectator away from a golfer is
(03:37):
literally this thin rope and honestly, a couple of old
men in their seventies holding their hands up trying to
make sure that people don't come across the rope most
of the time. They definitely a best page had security,
but it's a really different type of competition, you know.
It's not like other competitions where there's glass or a
big stadium or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
It's really personal when you're there.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And so it truly got out of hand, and I
think in particular, a lot of things were directed towards
world number two ry McElroy, and a lot.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Of things unfortunately got directed towards his wife as well.
And he is a Northern Irishman playing.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
For Europe and she is American. Yes, yes, So that's
contact that you're going to need when we talk about
this and dig into it a little bit more in
our one Big Story, we're going to really focus on
the non golf side of it. I'm so sorry, Yellen,
I'm going.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
To talk about I'm gonna have reason my way in
to talk about some of the golf things. I know
we'll get to the non golf, but there's some things
about the golf flash that weekend that I just feel
like set up the non golf stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Okay, So we're gonna give Ellen the space to do
that at the beginning, and then we're gonna once she
set that up, we're going to really dive into how
this is being perceived online internationally and for folks like
myself and Ellen who live outside of the US, how
this is really helping me to continue to shape the reputation
of the US. And we're all thinking about all of
(05:02):
these major major international sporting events in the next three
years that are coming to the US, being the twenty
twenty six months before World Cup and the twenty twenty
eight LA Olympics, and every single time something happens, whether
it's Salal Trump making his way onto stage to celebrate
or something like this, we're all left to wonder. I
couldn't help but wonder, how is this going to continue
(05:23):
to play out?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
And as it a one off, because that's the other
thing anyway, I don't want to.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Get amazing optimism.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I don't want to get rid of myself because there's
just so many nuances in this and I'm I'm really
really excited for this conversation. But before we get into it,
I want to call it audible, and I want to
call it an audible that's being brought to us by
our friends at the Canadian Women in Sport Group, and
they're on a mission to keep girls in sport, and
so this has a little bit of a Canadian angle,
(05:50):
but I think it is really true across North America
and we're really excited to work with them because they're
all about keeping girls in sport and I think when
we think of our mission stuff of leveling the playing
field through the gist, they're really one and the same, like,
how can we help women feel safe and included in
a part of the sports community.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
And they're doing that at the grassroots level.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
And that's universal everyone listening, no matter where they live.
That is universal mission that we all share. So this
is really awesome that we're able to partner with them
and talk more about it because it's such an important topic.
When we're talking about keeping girls in sport. Fifty percent
of Canadian girls aren't playing sports by the time they're
seventeen years old. That's really upsetting. And research does show
(06:36):
that girls who play sports become women who lead, making
this an especially troubling stat for Canada's future leaders.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah, I think it's twenty five percent of girls are
more likely to identify as leaders if they play sports
at some point in their life. And this is all
based off of recent research from the Canadian Women in
Sport and so I'm sure that there's like nuances for
each country, but similar I think the other things that
we've talked about on the podcast a lot too, Steph,
(07:04):
is that one and two girls report that sports improve
their body image. So there's a lot of confidence that
girls get from playing sports, and there's a huge mental
health move seventy percent of girls say sports better their
mental well being. And so when we're thinking about calling
this audible, we were like, yeah, let's work with this
amazing foundation to a share some of these new and
(07:27):
recent statistics, but also how can we all be on
the same page and think about how do we keep
girls playing? And that's their most recent campaign is how
do we keep girls playing? How do we keep them
in sports? And one thing that they're really leaning into
is how do we coach girls differently?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
This is huge. I think about this all the time
because we do a sports podcast. I often reflect on
why I decided to stay in sports for the entirety
of my high school career while I was watching so
many of my peers stop the dropout, stop registering, stop
trying out, and I always come back to coaching. And
so it's true for me, and it's coming out in
(08:05):
the research. So it's anecdotal, but it's also part of
the research. Girls are more likely to continue playing sports
throughout their teams if they have good support from their coaches,
and women coaches make huge different They have such a positive,
positive aspect on playing on these playing environments for these girls.
And that's why Canadian Women and Sport launched the Get
(08:26):
Girl Coach platform to revamp coaching across the country.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Did you ever have a women coach you I had.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
They were never the head coach, but I in my
last three years of hockey, because it was grouped for
grades ten, eleven, and twelve, that was one age group
at the.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Time class not enough girls playing hockey.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
We had two women coaches. I think they had just
grabbed they were young and young in the early twenties
coaching high school girls, so they would lead a lot
of the drills, they would be there at tournaments with.
It was such and it had such an impact on
me showing up in that space too, because I'm sure
it's the same across all sports, but you're mainly coached
(09:09):
by dads, at least at the generation that I was playing.
I'm born in nineteen ninety two. There weren't that many
women at that age, like moms, who had a history
in hockey, so it was mainly just being coached by dads.
And having those two women on the ice and in
our environment made such a difference for me.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
That's really cool.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I feel like our moms didn't have the opportunity to
play sports, so they felt like they were out of
their depth in coaching, whereas dads would coach sports even
if they actually ever played them. They were like, oh,
we only played hockey, but we'll learn soccer, no problem,
we'll figure it out. I only had female coaches and
figure skating, which I think that tie is kind of obvious, right,
But I never had a female coach in soccer or.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Not even assistant.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Nope, nope, never, never in my rep club elite like provincial, nothing,
And so I do wonder, you know, looking back, how
that would I think. What's cool stuff is that there's
three main pillars here to this get girl coach platform. First,
it's coach for her by leading with intention and prioritizing
connection and empowerment. I think as much as I never
(10:12):
had a woman coach us on the soccer side of things,
our coaches definitely recognize that we also were in it
for the social side. We loved doing our laps around
the field while we were yapping and while we were
talking about things outside of soccer as well. The other
thing is investing in her by supporting girls with.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Time, energy, and funds.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
This I think is a lot easier said than done,
depending on the sport that you were in, depending on
your family, depending on the funding that.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
You have access to.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
But I think that time and energy is a big
part and that comes with coaching. But I also feel
like your support system around you, your parents, your siblings,
what have you, And then designing for her by building
sports systems with girls at the center.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
When I think.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
About this, when we think about the gist is when
we started the gist is because traditional sports was made
by men for men, for avid men's men's sports fans.
And I think you can look at the same at
sports where sports were created mostly by men, mostly for men,
mostly coached by men, and so we as girls started
(11:17):
to play sports, we were just kind of like forced
into their system as opposed to now we can actually
be like, oh wait, but what does little Steph want?
And what's going to happen to little Steph is that
she's actually going to have the opportunity to play pro,
Whereas before there was never the opportunity to play pro,
so they didn't really care about us as much, you
know what I mean. And so now I feel like
things have really changed in terms of like we need
to put these girls in, these women at the center
(11:38):
of everything.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
That time and energy and support system is huge too,
because once you're able to start making money as a team,
I feel like people drop off in their support yeah,
and pushing girls to stay in sport.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
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Speaker 3 (13:15):
Okay, as promised, we're discussing the Ryder Cup today, First,
Ellen I or Ellen me are going to outline exactly
what happened between some fans and some of the European
players before sharing our own opinions on why this is
a really bad vibe overall for the sporting world.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yes, so let's start off with what happened at the
Ryder Cup. There's a lot that we need to get
into with the spectators. I do just want to set
the scene and set the context a little bit. As
we mentioned, Team Europe one fifteen thirteen, it took until
the back half of the Sunday afternoon for Shane.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Lowry, number twenty four in the world, to seal it
for Europe. And he was so excited. Stuff he was.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
He's like this big teddy bear of a man and
he was so thralled and I was so happy for him,
and all the Europeans were so emotional. It was so
cool to see.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
This was the most watched Ryder Cup in ever.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I think it was, or at least the recent history,
as the numbers were coming out today, and I think
that there's a few things we can account for that.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
One is Netflix full swing. Y'all know.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I'm gonna shout out something to watch Netflix. Full Swing
is so good and as I mentioned beforehand, season two
of Netflix Full Swing was really all about the Ryder
Cup and it really showcased the drama. I cannot wait
for the next season of Full Swing because it's going
to showcase all of this drama too. And I previously
(14:37):
talked about Kegan Bradley not choosing himself to play and
if he didn't play, what that would mean for his legacy.
I really wonder how he's feeling today, if he's thinking
like I should have put my name on the ballot,
or if I shouldn't have anyway. Full Swing but then
also shout outs. NBC's broadcast was like okay overall. However,
(14:58):
what I enjoyed the most is that they tried to
bring in some levity into the coverage.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
So you saw this stuff because you DMed me afterward that.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Hannah Berner, comedian Giggly Squad host was doing basically Streeter
interviews with a lot of the fans in the stands,
which was hilarious. Marcello or Hernandez from SNL was out
there super early morning. Colin Yo, Scarlett Johansson's husband also
from SNL, was hosting and so I feel like NBC
did a great job of They had their regular golf
(15:29):
commentators who were a little bit more buttoned up, but
then they were trying to find this comedic, humorous side
of things because they recognized so many different types of
fans were tuning in. That I did think ultimately led
to in addition to the on course products being fantastic,
but all of those things I think led to this
being one of the quote unquote best Ryder Cups we've seen,
(15:49):
arguably ever.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Best in terms of numbers.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Is that what you mean and golf and experience and
fan discussion?
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Huh? Yeah, it may have crossed algorithms and feeds that
normally wouldn't be fed golf information. Yes, so exactly, there's that.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
So let's talk about what actually happened at the Ryder Cup,
and I think leaning into in particular how fans were acting.
I do want to set the scene in a little
bit here, because they do feel like it's important.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Beth Page, I was in New York last week, so
I was like, do I go to the Ryder Cup.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
No, I don't have the money for that, but it's
about an hour and a half outside of New York,
so there was a lot of people there. The golf
starts early, so I think it's teed off at like
seven or eight am. So when you're thinking about all
these people coming into Best Page, they're literally their stuff
from six am, and you know what else they're they're
doing starting at six to eight am.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
No way, they're selling and maybe they're having whether they're selling,
whether the fans are like coming feeling really good, they're boozing.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
And so I would compare this tournament to have you
heard of the waste management tournament stuff on the PGA two.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Waste management like garbage dis Yeah, they're the sponsors, Oh fantastic,
Yeah we need them.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, we need them.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
So they're a sponsor, but they're a little bit more
like not you don't have to worry about wearing your
polos to play golf. You could come out have fun,
dress up and it's a PGA Tour tour event. That's
kind of what the Ryder Cup is like. You're encouraged
to dress up as Tmosa or as Team Europe.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
You're encouraged to kind of party a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
It's almost like a again like waste management or like
a rugby match almost where you're there to enjoy the product,
but you're also there to have fun at the same time,
you know what I mean. So I just want to
set the stage of that too, is that it's not
a regular golf tournament.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
So you're saying at a regular golf tournament, you're not
getting people showing up in like, full on costumes from
the Civil War like I saw Canna burners.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
You will never you literally never will get that. Normally.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
You're getting folks who are pretty buttoned up, is what
I would say. And people get rowdy, for sure, but
it's very respectfully rowdy. And you're not cheering for a team, right,
because golf generally isn't a team sport you're playing for
You're cheering for individuals, which brings in just a completely
different vibe and energy. I think we've all seen things
get at a hand at sports events beforehand when there's
(18:16):
a team who really feel associated with, right, So I just.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Want to say, then throw in a country instead of
a team.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Exactly like I do. Just want to set that stage
because it's this. The way that the fans were acting
didn't come out of nowhere. They were It's kind of
set up.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Like this okay, yeah, and Team Europe, like we said,
was kicking Team usays. But basically the entire weekend, even
though both teams were playing well, Ellen did stressed and
wants to stress.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
The golf itself is great, yeah, in particular on Sunday.
So when we're thinking about the fans, they all together
came in very very hot, but a subset of fans
took it a little bit too far. All of Team
Europe was essentially targeted by spectators, and given this was
in New York, it wasn't a surprise. But in particular,
(19:03):
World number two Ry McElroy was subject to so many
insults and stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
This was not in the normal way.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
There was a and I'm about to swear so apologies
in advance if you're listening with kids in the car,
but we are just repeating what was said. There was
a fuck you Rory chant on the first tee. Stuff
that was led by the competition's MC comedian, Heather McMahon,
who was then removed from her job. She stepped down,
but she was the first tea kind of commentator. And
so when someone who is working starts the fu chance,
(19:36):
obviously these hordes of mostly men are going to say, Oh,
McMahon said that I could say this. If Heather's saying this,
then I feel like I could say this, and I
could say this directly to Rory. At one point, Rory
fought back, I don't know if you saw this clip.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Well, actually, I hope you shared it.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
To my stories, Rory literally went to the crowd stuff
and went fuck you, fuck you, fuck you.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Poin pointed at all of them.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
He was pointing at the scores like he was getting
so riled up at them too, because he had never
witnessed anything like that before and experienced anything like that before.
The other thing too, and all of this stuff is
that generally for golf, it's very similar to tennis. Before
a tennis player serves their point, the whole crowd goes quiet,
very similar to before a person is about to hit
(20:23):
their drive or their approach or make their putt. The
entire crowd knows to go quiet. That is just etiquette golf,
regardless of the tournament. The amount of time stuff that
Rory approached his ball went to go swing and had
to back away from his ball because fans were heckling him.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I have never seen that before in my life.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
It's not like at an NBA game where they're doing
the free throws and everyone's trying to be as at
the same time.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
In the No, totally, it's not. It's not.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
One thing that really rubbed me the wrong way is
at one point Rory's wife, Erica, who was American, had
a beer thrown at her head. It didn't hit her head,
it hit her hat, Thank god, it didn't really soak her.
But that is so scary, so incredibly inappropriate, And she
was facing so many taunts, and she so much of
(21:15):
how she was being treated by the fans just reeked
of misogyny as well, the way that they were tearing
her down for her and Rory having split for a
momentary lapse back in I think it was twenty twenty four,
twenty twenty two, so they were really coming at her
quote unquote ability to be a good wife. Really, if
you really stripped down why they are making fun of
(21:38):
a breakup or a split even though they got back together.
It's so much of it is so disgusting to me
and just not okay to bring in the family in
these situations.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
And after the first day, police presence was increased, especially
around the tea whole number ten in response to the
jeers that Rory was facing and again that so many
of the other European players were facing. And there was
so much rhetoric online two stuff, and you could kind
of hear it in the broadcast as well, where Team
USA was kind of shouting team like USA USA as
(22:11):
it normally goes. But Europe has all of these like quippy,
spunky chants in the same way that they would at
soccer matches and everything like that, and so it didn't
really feel.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Tip for tet or what have you.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
And I do want to say in all of this,
like the Ryder Cup is supposed to be rowdy, it
is special, it is supposed to be a different fan event.
This took the Ryder Cup from I'd say, like a
six out of ten stuff to a irresponsible twelve out
of ten.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah, exactly. There's one thing about being rowdy and being
into it and being there to have fun, and then
there's one thing to take it to the next level
and be rude, just whear and to throw things.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
And to have players say I've never competed in this
environment beforehand. And these are lifelong PGA tour players who
also have a lot of they all live in the States,
like they all train and Florida all the time. The
millions of dollars in the US, you know what I mean,
Like all of these individual athletes are beloved by Americans.
Is just in this situation, it just got out of hand.
(23:08):
So let's talk about why this matters. I think a
part of it, Steph, is that obviously not everyone agrees
that a line was crossed at the Ryder Cup. I
think that it really depends on what feed you were watching,
who you're watching, why you were watching it. And I
think what's tough here is that the Ryder Cup could
be setting a precedent that's dangerous for potentially hosting major tournaments.
(23:32):
And this is kind of what you alluded to at
the top, with the FIFA World Cup coming next year,
the twenty twenty eight Olympics coming. Sports is supposed to
be this like safe space that unites people, but this
hasn't been the case recently, especially at the Ryder Cup.
And I think people kind of wonder, like, what does
this look like when other teams face Team USA? Are
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other athletes going to be heckled again unless they're American?
Speaker 3 (23:58):
And this was Team say versus Team Europe. It worries
me because sports, especially when we're talking about international competition,
it's supposed to unite, and it's supposed to be respectful,
and it's supposed to come from a place of whoever
is the best will win this competition. And what worries
me is these intersections when we're talking about a global
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audience and we're talking about the World Cup and we're
talking about the Olympics, is how is misogyny going to
play into this in a couple of years, because this
environment that's being brewed is extremely toxic to women in
the States, And how is this going to affect people
of different races and how what kind of racism is
going to leak into it? That is where I am
worried that passion is being translated into disrespect and what
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this might say for the future.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
And I think too, like the this has been going
on in sports for a really long time, right Like,
I don't, I don't. This has been happening in like
UK soccer pitches for a while. We had beer thrown
at US at rugby at the Olympics at a women's
rugby sevens place, right like, there is no alcohol allowed
even in the stadium and we had we had alcohol
(25:09):
free beer thrown at us for being Canadian by serious yes,
So like that's what I'm saying here though to stuff
right is like the Ryder Cup is for sure one thing,
but these team environments are another thing. And I think
everything that you said, yes, and I think it's a yes.
And And how can the US get to the place
where they're ready for international events like this and when
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they're ready for bandom and passionate fandom to come out
in a certain way, and how are they going to respond? So,
for example, Steff Internationally, the majority of soccer stadiums in
the UK and in Europe don't allow alcohol because of
exactly what we saw at the Ryder Cup of people
just having too much fun and making poor decisions and
(25:54):
saying really horrible things.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
They had to do that because.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Soccer was just getting too rad So what does this
mean for when the US is hosting these other events,
how can they from a security perspective, fan perspective, guidelines perspective,
actually change things so that international tourism doesn't continue to
go down to the US because right now not a
lot of people are visiting. But during these pivotal sports moments.
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People want to be able to enjoy these experiences. People
deserve to be able to enjoy these experiences. But if
they don't feel safe, will they go? Will they go
to these events?
Speaker 3 (26:30):
I don't know, And that's what worries me is I
don't want a hostile environment for whether it's the athletes
themselves or the fans, Like I don't want to show
up to a game and potentially get bar thrown at me. No,
like that, that is not what I'm signing up for.
And I'm worried that it's becoming normalized, yes, or it
has been normalized for a while and now we're just
talking about it, like depending on what environment we are
talking about. Obviously in golf, this is a very new phenomenon.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, it's a very new phenomenon.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
And what I don't know to Steph is like, how
much of the Ryder Cup was an example of a
group of small people being really loud and then representing
a lot of people. There are a ton of fantastic
people who probably didn't have access to the Ryder Cup
or maybe who we didn't see on our screens, who
were actually trying to be so respectful and we were
(27:16):
actually being quiet and who actually we're just there to
enjoy the golf, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
What I mean?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
But I think when you set that tone on day
one and day two, it's really scary how out of
hand it can get, and how that like nationalism kind
of side of things too, can impact a big group.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
That's true, you did mention the money costs at the beginning,
like a lot of true fans do get left out
of these events.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yes, So anyway, I do think all of this to
say though, it is worth just kind of watching how
the FIFA World Cup ends up, watching how watching how
the Olympics kind of turns out, and seeing if organizations
change their tune with respect to you security measures, fan measures,
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alcohol measures and potentially implement some things that that the
UK and Europe is ahead of North America.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
And but can you imagine telling Americans they can't have
beer or they can't.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Can you imagine telling me I can't have beer?
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Like no, but like I like North Americans in general,
like Canadians and Americans like they but like the way
that people would take that on like an infringement of
their rights, you know what I mean. Yeah, it's worrisome
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Our Personal Training SSH. This is the segment of the
podcast where we want you involved. We want to answer
your hard hitting questions about anything, and we mean anything
in the sports world and in today's personal training SESSH.
(29:24):
We're taking a question from Claire Hey. Claire message both
myself and Ellen on Instagram to talk about the Minnesota
Links head coach Cheryl Reeves eventual suspension when she damned
us she wasn't suspended yet, I think no. From Game
four after yelling at the refs in response to what
she thought was a missed foul against her absolute start
(29:45):
player Nafisa Collier in Friday's Game three.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, Claire, thank you so much for messaging us.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I love that you sent it with an image and
with a post and saying that you had thoughts, because
immediately I said, oh my god, I have thoughts.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
And I've been so excited to talk about all of this.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
And I should say, I should tease we have a
little something coming in a week and a half that
I think everyone who's listening to this podcast will really enjoy.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
That we'll talk about later, okay, but.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Just a little bit of tea for everyone to talk together.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
So Steph, do you want to kind of give the
context in the background of the suspension, and then I
can because.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
You thought, yeah, and I want you to have those thoughts. Thankay. So,
the top seeded Minnesota Lanks are officially eliminated from the
w NBA Playoffs, which is really upsetting because I was
rooting for them after they lost to the Phoenix Mercury
in Game four of their semi series on Sunday. But
that's not what we're talking about today. What we're talking
about is the Lanks head coach Cheryl Reeve was suspended
(30:45):
from that game. At the end of Friday's Game three,
Reeve in a word, you could say, lost her cool
at the referees after her star player Collier was injured
in the waning moments of the game.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Like literally seconds left.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
And we say lose your cool, we mean storming the
court at the referees, losing her.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Cool, held back by colleagues. Yes, very theatrical performance.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah, I was very camp.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yeah, I was very camp. She then doubled downs, we're
talking about the coach then doubled down on her criticism
of the refs in the postgame conference, saying that the
rest performance was again another swear coming parents sorry quote
unquote fucking malpractice, which in part earned her the suspension.
And that is the photo I think that Claire sent us.
(31:32):
And my first reaction was she's gonna get in twouble.
So that injury that happened in the final seconds of
that game kept Collier out of Game four, and then
the Links lost that game and now they're not in
the finals. And Reeves, the coach, was not allowed to
coach that game. So no Collier and no Cheryl Reeve.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Which is tough, Like, that's really hard to win a
do or die game without those characters. So I would
really encourage everyone to watch the highlights see what went
down if you didn't have an opportunity.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I wanted to break this down. I've been thinking a
lot about this, and I.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Want to break down WNBA officiating in two ways. The first,
I want to talk about what actually did happen with
Cheryl Reeve and with an Afisa Collier and with Alyssa Thomas.
And then I want to talk about WNBA officiating.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
On the whole.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
When you watch that highlight, there's a lot of different perspectives.
There's a lot of different things being said on Reddit.
There's a lot of different opinions going on. In my
personal opinion, and this is not the opinion of the gist,
I'm just saying this from my personal opinion. I do
not think that there was a foul on that play.
(32:44):
I did not think that that play was dirty. I
rewatched that seven million times, and every single time when
I was watching what Alyssa Thomas did, there was not
any purposeful k neon, knee action, body action, what have
you that I could see.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Was Reeve upset? Yes?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Was it potentially just because of that play? Maybe No,
Maybe that play kind of push it into a boiling
point does she see exactly what the refs across the
entire court could see.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
No, And I think Steph you said that.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
The refs afterwards said we are one hundred and ten
percent behind this non call on this play.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
The National Basketball Referees Association defended the no call in
a social media post after the fact.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yes, so I'm going to have to disagree with Cheryl
Reeve on that. Obviously. I hate that Collier was injured
on that play.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Sad.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
It was so sad.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
But when I looked at it, it wasn't like a
you know when people stick out their knees and you
just know for sure that they're trying to injure someone
or they're making a dirty play or whatever. That was
not this at all. It was a hard play for
the ball. It felt like it was clean. I'm stopping there.
Then I want to talk about my thought too.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Part two.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
This is thoughts on WNBA officiating, and just a complete
shout out to our producers and our team who write
the newsletter because they summarize everything I think so perfectly.
The issue with WNBA officiating isn't exactly new.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
If you've been following at all.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
A season and I'd say for the last three seasons
it has always been a topic of conversation.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
They have a challenging job, they have a thankless job.
I was a referee as a high school kid.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
You get paid really well actually, but it is a
thankless job. But there is just this overall lack of
consistency that makes it so difficult for players to adapt
to the game. Right now, Steph, we haven't had a
chance to really talk about the Las Vegas aces in
the Indiana Fever semis, but when you look at the
amount of foul calls and free throws that Indiana and
(34:44):
the Fever have had in comparison to the Las Vegas aces,
completely unfair. When you look at the amount of free
throws that Nafisa Collier had throughout this postseason, and then
you look at the amount of free throws that Asia
Wilson has had, they're averaging like ten percent of what
they normally would throughout the regular season. Those star players
are getting fouled way more than that. And so this
(35:05):
is when we're looking at this lack of consistency is
because you look at the stats and then numbers truly
just aren't adding up, and it's not seeming equal team
to team, ref to ref or game to game.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
What's potentially to blame for that, too, is the high
turnover of refs in the WNBA. Often what happens are
the best refs then get in air quotes, in my opinion,
promoted to the NBA where they would make more money,
and then there's gaps that are being filled with refs
with less experience and climbing that ladder. So there is
(35:40):
perhaps a turnover problem happening with officiating in the WNBA.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
And I think you know there's going to be growing
pains and everything right Like the WNBA is still in
its scale up mode. I just think that the time
is now to really level up and set some standards
and potentially pay some of these refs more or have
different I'm sure they're all over it, but it's been
a really, really tough year from a refereeing perspective, and
(36:07):
something's got to give, something's got to change. So thank
you so much Claire for messaging us. If anyone else
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(36:28):
a lot of opinions, especially for me floating out there today.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I've talked a lot.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Also, like call me out if you don't agree with something,
or if you think that there's a different perspective or
a different way to look and approach things. I always
love learning from other fans and hearing from other fans
as well, and chatting through all of that, so it
doesn't always have to be a question. I like hearing
everyone else's hot takes too, What.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Are my hot takes? Do it? I think basketball might
be one of the hardest sports to ref Yes, yeah,
so I think there's also that yes, I agree, Yeah,
it's a very hard sport to rev. Yeah, so agree
with me, disagree with me.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
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was a little bit long today, but we really appreciate
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What's up, y'all?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome or welcome back to another episode of The Gist
of It. Today's Tuesday, September thirtieth. We're your co hosts.
I'm Ellen Hisslap.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
And I'm Steph Rotts, and I know that Today's Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
We famously record on Monday nights, and so my brain,
Steph is still stuck. On the weekend, I didn't play sports. Well,
actually I played golf this weekend. Broke a hundred everyone humble,
breg But I was spending most of my time watching
the Ryder Cup this weekend. I know that you are
spending most of your weekend watching hockey or sorry, playing
(00:41):
hockey and watching the WNBA.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
And the Woman's Rugby World Cup. I did watch that.
That was so much fun. That is over, though, But
it's timely that you were talking about golf.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, it is because my favorite tournament happened over the weekend, and.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
That's the Ryder Cup.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
And for those of you who are aren't familiar, we've
chat about it on the podcast beforehand.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
But it's a biennial, fancy way.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
To say, every two years men's golf competition that pits
Team USA against Team Europe. It's a very spicy tournament,
notoriously spicy.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
There's drama in the past.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Each continent is playing for pride, the US is playing
for pride. No one is paying for money, except for
this year. There was some charity happenings which we would
love to see.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Things are always spicy, but I would say stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
This year, things completely got out of hand in a
way that was not great. And I don't mean just
like golf out of hand, because golf out of hand
is one thing.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I mean out of hand for sports.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yes, which is why it's still top of mind, yes today,
because it's all Also, since I didn't watch it live,
it was spilling over onto my news feed on Monday yesterday,
and as soon as I learned all about this, it's
now all I can think about. So this edition of
the Ryder Cup was held at Bethpage Black in New York.
(02:03):
Team Europe had the Americans number all weekend long, beating
them on the greens through the first two days of
competition before Team USA did launch a pretty strong comeback
on Sunday, the final day of match play. In the end,
though Team Europe did win, they did come out on top,
becoming the first team to win a Ryder Cup on
(02:23):
the road since twenty twelve, and.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
They're also back to back champions now. They ended up
winning fifteen thirteen. I think that they were up by
seven step if memory serves me correctly before coming into Sunday.
So that was all kind of like team format. We
won't go through every single format. But then the match
play on the Sunday is basically just one against one
and it's so scary and it's so annoying, And after
watching Bryson Deshambeau play Matt Fitzpatrick, I have so many
(02:48):
thoughts and feelings that we'll get onto later on. The
golf was really good, you said it, Beth Page is
a really hard course. The crowds were super into it,
but unfortunately some of the conversation around the actual play
has been pushed to the side because of the fan behavior.
And I will say the fan behavior felt very out
of control. It really felt like the organizers just lost
(03:09):
control of the experience and what Best Page was like.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
There was a.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Lot of heckling aimed at Team Europe, which was very Lewde,
very loud, very personal, and I think that all of
it really pushed the boundaries of what's considered friendly competition
and how involved spectators should be, especially because Steph, when
we think about golf as a sport, the only thing
that is separating a spectator away from a golfer is
(03:37):
literally this thin rope and honestly, a couple of old
men in their seventies holding their hands up trying to
make sure that people don't come across the rope most
of the time. They definitely a best page had security,
but it's a really different type of competition, you know.
It's not like other competitions where there's glass or a
big stadium or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
It's really personal when you're there.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And so it truly got out of hand, and I
think in particular, a lot of things were directed towards
world number two ry McElroy, and a lot.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Of things unfortunately got directed towards his wife as well.
And he is a Northern Irishman playing.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
For Europe and she is American. Yes, yes, So that's
contact that you're going to need when we talk about
this and dig into it a little bit more in
our one Big Story, we're going to really focus on
the non golf side of it. I'm so sorry, Yellen,
I'm going.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
To talk about I'm gonna have reason my way in
to talk about some of the golf things. I know
we'll get to the non golf, but there's some things
about the golf flash that weekend that I just feel
like set up the non golf stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Okay, So we're gonna give Ellen the space to do
that at the beginning, and then we're gonna once she
set that up, we're going to really dive into how
this is being perceived online internationally and for folks like
myself and Ellen who live outside of the US, how
this is really helping me to continue to shape the reputation
of the US. And we're all thinking about all of
(05:02):
these major major international sporting events in the next three
years that are coming to the US, being the twenty
twenty six months before World Cup and the twenty twenty
eight LA Olympics, and every single time something happens, whether
it's Salal Trump making his way onto stage to celebrate
or something like this, we're all left to wonder. I
couldn't help but wonder, how is this going to continue
(05:23):
to play out?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
And as it a one off, because that's the other
thing anyway, I don't want to.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Get amazing optimism.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I don't want to get rid of myself because there's
just so many nuances in this and I'm I'm really
really excited for this conversation. But before we get into it,
I want to call it audible, and I want to
call it an audible that's being brought to us by
our friends at the Canadian Women in Sport Group, and
they're on a mission to keep girls in sport, and
so this has a little bit of a Canadian angle,
(05:50):
but I think it is really true across North America
and we're really excited to work with them because they're
all about keeping girls in sport and I think when
we think of our mission stuff of leveling the playing
field through the gist, they're really one and the same, like,
how can we help women feel safe and included in
a part of the sports community.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
And they're doing that at the grassroots level.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
And that's universal everyone listening, no matter where they live.
That is universal mission that we all share. So this
is really awesome that we're able to partner with them
and talk more about it because it's such an important topic.
When we're talking about keeping girls in sport. Fifty percent
of Canadian girls aren't playing sports by the time they're
seventeen years old. That's really upsetting. And research does show
(06:36):
that girls who play sports become women who lead, making
this an especially troubling stat for Canada's future leaders.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah, I think it's twenty five percent of girls are
more likely to identify as leaders if they play sports
at some point in their life. And this is all
based off of recent research from the Canadian Women in
Sport and so I'm sure that there's like nuances for
each country, but similar I think the other things that
we've talked about on the podcast a lot too, Steph,
(07:04):
is that one and two girls report that sports improve
their body image. So there's a lot of confidence that
girls get from playing sports, and there's a huge mental
health move seventy percent of girls say sports better their
mental well being. And so when we're thinking about calling
this audible, we were like, yeah, let's work with this
amazing foundation to a share some of these new and
(07:27):
recent statistics, but also how can we all be on
the same page and think about how do we keep
girls playing? And that's their most recent campaign is how
do we keep girls playing? How do we keep them
in sports? And one thing that they're really leaning into
is how do we coach girls differently?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
This is huge. I think about this all the time
because we do a sports podcast. I often reflect on
why I decided to stay in sports for the entirety
of my high school career while I was watching so
many of my peers stop the dropout, stop registering, stop
trying out, and I always come back to coaching. And
so it's true for me, and it's coming out in
(08:05):
the research. So it's anecdotal, but it's also part of
the research. Girls are more likely to continue playing sports
throughout their teams if they have good support from their coaches,
and women coaches make huge different They have such a positive,
positive aspect on playing on these playing environments for these girls.
And that's why Canadian Women and Sport launched the Get
(08:26):
Girl Coach platform to revamp coaching across the country.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Did you ever have a women coach you I had.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
They were never the head coach, but I in my
last three years of hockey, because it was grouped for
grades ten, eleven, and twelve, that was one age group
at the.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Time class not enough girls playing hockey.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
We had two women coaches. I think they had just
grabbed they were young and young in the early twenties
coaching high school girls, so they would lead a lot
of the drills, they would be there at tournaments with.
It was such and it had such an impact on
me showing up in that space too, because I'm sure
it's the same across all sports, but you're mainly coached
(09:09):
by dads, at least at the generation that I was playing.
I'm born in nineteen ninety two. There weren't that many
women at that age, like moms, who had a history
in hockey, so it was mainly just being coached by dads.
And having those two women on the ice and in
our environment made such a difference for me.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
That's really cool.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I feel like our moms didn't have the opportunity to
play sports, so they felt like they were out of
their depth in coaching, whereas dads would coach sports even
if they actually ever played them. They were like, oh,
we only played hockey, but we'll learn soccer, no problem,
we'll figure it out. I only had female coaches and
figure skating, which I think that tie is kind of obvious, right,
But I never had a female coach in soccer or.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Not even assistant.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Nope, nope, never, never in my rep club elite like provincial, nothing,
And so I do wonder, you know, looking back, how
that would I think. What's cool stuff is that there's
three main pillars here to this get girl coach platform. First,
it's coach for her by leading with intention and prioritizing
connection and empowerment. I think as much as I never
(10:12):
had a woman coach us on the soccer side of things,
our coaches definitely recognize that we also were in it
for the social side. We loved doing our laps around
the field while we were yapping and while we were
talking about things outside of soccer as well. The other
thing is investing in her by supporting girls with.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Time, energy, and funds.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
This I think is a lot easier said than done,
depending on the sport that you were in, depending on
your family, depending on the funding that.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
You have access to.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
But I think that time and energy is a big
part and that comes with coaching. But I also feel
like your support system around you, your parents, your siblings,
what have you, And then designing for her by building
sports systems with girls at the center.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
When I think.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
About this, when we think about the gist is when
we started the gist is because traditional sports was made
by men for men, for avid men's men's sports fans.
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Speaker 3 (13:15):
Okay, as promised, we're discussing the Ryder Cup today, First,
Ellen I or Ellen me are going to outline exactly
what happened between some fans and some of the European
players before sharing our own opinions on why this is
a really bad vibe overall for the sporting world.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yes, so let's start off with what happened at the
Ryder Cup. There's a lot that we need to get
into with the spectators. I do just want to set
the scene and set the context a little bit. As
we mentioned, Team Europe one fifteen thirteen, it took until
the back half of the Sunday afternoon for Shane.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Lowry, number twenty four in the world, to seal it
for Europe. And he was so excited. Stuff he was.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
He's like this big teddy bear of a man and
he was so thralled and I was so happy for him,
and all the Europeans were so emotional. It was so
cool to see.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
This was the most watched Ryder Cup in ever.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I think it was, or at least the recent history,
as the numbers were coming out today, and I think
that there's a few things we can account for that.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
One is Netflix full swing. Y'all know.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I'm gonna shout out something to watch Netflix. Full Swing
is so good and as I mentioned beforehand, season two
of Netflix Full Swing was really all about the Ryder
Cup and it really showcased the drama. I cannot wait
for the next season of Full Swing because it's going
to showcase all of this drama too. And I previously
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talked about Kegan Bradley not choosing himself to play and
if he didn't play, what that would mean for his legacy.
I really wonder how he's feeling today, if he's thinking
like I should have put my name on the ballot,
or if I shouldn't have anyway. Full Swing but then
also shout outs. NBC's broadcast was like okay overall. However,
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what I enjoyed the most is that they tried to
bring in some levity into the coverage.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
So you saw this stuff because you DMed me afterward that.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Hannah Berner, comedian Giggly Squad host was doing basically Streeter
interviews with a lot of the fans in the stands,
which was hilarious. Marcello or Hernandez from SNL was out
there super early morning. Colin Yo, Scarlett Johansson's husband also
from SNL, was hosting and so I feel like NBC
did a great job of They had their regular golf
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commentators who were a little bit more buttoned up, but
then they were trying to find this comedic, humorous side
of things because they recognized so many different types of
fans were tuning in. That I did think ultimately led
to in addition to the on course products being fantastic,
but all of those things I think led to this
being one of the quote unquote best Ryder Cups we've seen,
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arguably ever.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Best in terms of numbers.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Is that what you mean and golf and experience and
fan discussion?
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Huh? Yeah, it may have crossed algorithms and feeds that
normally wouldn't be fed golf information. Yes, so exactly, there's that.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
So let's talk about what actually happened at the Ryder Cup,
and I think leaning into in particular how fans were acting.
I do want to set the scene in a little
bit here, because they do feel like it's important.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Beth Page, I was in New York last week, so
I was like, do I go to the Ryder Cup.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
No, I don't have the money for that, but it's
about an hour and a half outside of New York,
so there was a lot of people there. The golf
starts early, so I think it's teed off at like
seven or eight am. So when you're thinking about all
these people coming into Best Page, they're literally their stuff
from six am, and you know what else they're they're
doing starting at six to eight am.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
No way, they're selling and maybe they're having whether they're selling,
whether the fans are like coming feeling really good, they're boozing.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
And so I would compare this tournament to have you
heard of the waste management tournament stuff on the PGA two.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Waste management like garbage dis Yeah, they're the sponsors, Oh fantastic,
Yeah we need them.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, we need them.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
So they're a sponsor, but they're a little bit more
like not you don't have to worry about wearing your
polos to play golf. You could come out have fun,
dress up and it's a PGA Tour tour event. That's
kind of what the Ryder Cup is like. You're encouraged
to dress up as Tmosa or as Team Europe.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
You're encouraged to kind of party a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
It's almost like a again like waste management or like
a rugby match almost where you're there to enjoy the product,
but you're also there to have fun at the same time,
you know what I mean. So I just want to
set the stage of that too, is that it's not
a regular golf tournament.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
So you're saying at a regular golf tournament, you're not
getting people showing up in like, full on costumes from
the Civil War like I saw Canna burners.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
You will never you literally never will get that. Normally.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
You're getting folks who are pretty buttoned up, is what
I would say. And people get rowdy, for sure, but
it's very respectfully rowdy. And you're not cheering for a team, right,
because golf generally isn't a team sport you're playing for
You're cheering for individuals, which brings in just a completely
different vibe and energy. I think we've all seen things
get at a hand at sports events beforehand when there's
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a team who really feel associated with, right, So I just.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Want to say, then throw in a country instead of
a team.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Exactly like I do. Just want to set that stage
because it's this. The way that the fans were acting
didn't come out of nowhere. They were It's kind of
set up.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Like this okay, yeah, and Team Europe, like we said,
was kicking Team usays. But basically the entire weekend, even
though both teams were playing well, Ellen did stressed and
wants to stress.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
The golf itself is great, yeah, in particular on Sunday.
So when we're thinking about the fans, they all together
came in very very hot, but a subset of fans
took it a little bit too far. All of Team
Europe was essentially targeted by spectators, and given this was
in New York, it wasn't a surprise. But in particular,
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World number two Ry McElroy was subject to so many
insults and stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
This was not in the normal way.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
There was a and I'm about to swear so apologies
in advance if you're listening with kids in the car,
but we are just repeating what was said. There was
a fuck you Rory chant on the first tee. Stuff
that was led by the competition's MC comedian, Heather McMahon,
who was then removed from her job. She stepped down,
but she was the first tea kind of commentator. And
so when someone who is working starts the fu chance,
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obviously these hordes of mostly men are going to say, Oh,
McMahon said that I could say this. If Heather's saying this,
then I feel like I could say this, and I
could say this directly to Rory. At one point, Rory
fought back, I don't know if you saw this clip.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Well, actually, I hope you shared it.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
To my stories, Rory literally went to the crowd stuff
and went fuck you, fuck you, fuck you.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Poin pointed at all of them.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
He was pointing at the scores like he was getting
so riled up at them too, because he had never
witnessed anything like that before and experienced anything like that before.
The other thing too, and all of this stuff is
that generally for golf, it's very similar to tennis. Before
a tennis player serves their point, the whole crowd goes quiet,
very similar to before a person is about to hit
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their drive or their approach or make their putt. The
entire crowd knows to go quiet. That is just etiquette golf,
regardless of the tournament. The amount of time stuff that
Rory approached his ball went to go swing and had
to back away from his ball because fans were heckling him.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I have never seen that before in my life.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
It's not like at an NBA game where they're doing
the free throws and everyone's trying to be as at
the same time.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
In the No, totally, it's not. It's not.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
One thing that really rubbed me the wrong way is
at one point Rory's wife, Erica, who was American, had
a beer thrown at her head. It didn't hit her head,
it hit her hat, Thank god, it didn't really soak her.
But that is so scary, so incredibly inappropriate, And she
was facing so many taunts, and she so much of
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how she was being treated by the fans just reeked
of misogyny as well, the way that they were tearing
her down for her and Rory having split for a
momentary lapse back in I think it was twenty twenty four,
twenty twenty two, so they were really coming at her
quote unquote ability to be a good wife. Really, if
you really stripped down why they are making fun of
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a breakup or a split even though they got back together.
It's so much of it is so disgusting to me
and just not okay to bring in the family in
these situations.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
And after the first day, police presence was increased, especially
around the tea whole number ten in response to the
jeers that Rory was facing and again that so many
of the other European players were facing. And there was
so much rhetoric online two stuff, and you could kind
of hear it in the broadcast as well, where Team
USA was kind of shouting team like USA USA as
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it normally goes. But Europe has all of these like quippy,
spunky chants in the same way that they would at
soccer matches and everything like that, and so it didn't
really feel.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Tip for tet or what have you.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
And I do want to say in all of this,
like the Ryder Cup is supposed to be rowdy, it
is special, it is supposed to be a different fan event.
This took the Ryder Cup from I'd say, like a
six out of ten stuff to a irresponsible twelve out
of ten.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah, exactly. There's one thing about being rowdy and being
into it and being there to have fun, and then
there's one thing to take it to the next level
and be rude, just whear and to throw things.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
And to have players say I've never competed in this
environment beforehand. And these are lifelong PGA tour players who
also have a lot of they all live in the States,
like they all train and Florida all the time. The
millions of dollars in the US, you know what I mean,
Like all of these individual athletes are beloved by Americans.
Is just in this situation, it just got out of hand.
(23:08):
So let's talk about why this matters. I think a
part of it, Steph, is that obviously not everyone agrees
that a line was crossed at the Ryder Cup. I
think that it really depends on what feed you were watching,
who you're watching, why you were watching it. And I
think what's tough here is that the Ryder Cup could
be setting a precedent that's dangerous for potentially hosting major tournaments.
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And this is kind of what you alluded to at
the top, with the FIFA World Cup coming next year,
the twenty twenty eight Olympics coming. Sports is supposed to
be this like safe space that unites people, but this
hasn't been the case recently, especially at the Ryder Cup.
And I think people kind of wonder, like, what does
this look like when other teams face Team USA? Are
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other athletes going to be heckled again unless they're American?
Speaker 3 (23:58):
And this was Team say versus Team Europe. It worries
me because sports, especially when we're talking about international competition,
it's supposed to unite, and it's supposed to be respectful,
and it's supposed to come from a place of whoever
is the best will win this competition. And what worries
me is these intersections when we're talking about a global
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audience and we're talking about the World Cup and we're
talking about the Olympics, is how is misogyny going to
play into this in a couple of years, because this
environment that's being brewed is extremely toxic to women in
the States, And how is this going to affect people
of different races and how what kind of racism is
going to leak into it? That is where I am
worried that passion is being translated into disrespect and what
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this might say for the future.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
And I think too, like the this has been going
on in sports for a really long time, right Like,
I don't, I don't. This has been happening in like
UK soccer pitches for a while. We had beer thrown
at US at rugby at the Olympics at a women's
rugby sevens place, right like, there is no alcohol allowed
even in the stadium and we had we had alcohol
(25:09):
free beer thrown at us for being Canadian by serious yes,
So like that's what I'm saying here though to stuff
right is like the Ryder Cup is for sure one thing,
but these team environments are another thing. And I think
everything that you said, yes, and I think it's a yes.
And And how can the US get to the place
where they're ready for international events like this and when
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they're ready for bandom and passionate fandom to come out
in a certain way, and how are they going to respond? So,
for example, Steff Internationally, the majority of soccer stadiums in
the UK and in Europe don't allow alcohol because of
exactly what we saw at the Ryder Cup of people
just having too much fun and making poor decisions and
(25:54):
saying really horrible things.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
They had to do that because.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Soccer was just getting too rad So what does this
mean for when the US is hosting these other events,
how can they from a security perspective, fan perspective, guidelines perspective,
actually change things so that international tourism doesn't continue to
go down to the US because right now not a
lot of people are visiting. But during these pivotal sports moments.
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People want to be able to enjoy these experiences. People
deserve to be able to enjoy these experiences. But if
they don't feel safe, will they go? Will they go
to these events?
Speaker 3 (26:30):
I don't know, And that's what worries me is I
don't want a hostile environment for whether it's the athletes
themselves or the fans, Like I don't want to show
up to a game and potentially get bar thrown at me. No,
like that, that is not what I'm signing up for.
And I'm worried that it's becoming normalized, yes, or it
has been normalized for a while and now we're just
talking about it, like depending on what environment we are
talking about. Obviously in golf, this is a very new phenomenon.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, it's a very new phenomenon.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
And what I don't know to Steph is like, how
much of the Ryder Cup was an example of a
group of small people being really loud and then representing
a lot of people. There are a ton of fantastic
people who probably didn't have access to the Ryder Cup
or maybe who we didn't see on our screens, who
were actually trying to be so respectful and we were
(27:16):
actually being quiet and who actually we're just there to
enjoy the golf, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
What I mean?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
But I think when you set that tone on day
one and day two, it's really scary how out of
hand it can get, and how that like nationalism kind
of side of things too, can impact a big group.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
That's true, you did mention the money costs at the beginning,
like a lot of true fans do get left out
of these events.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yes, So anyway, I do think all of this to
say though, it is worth just kind of watching how
the FIFA World Cup ends up, watching how watching how
the Olympics kind of turns out, and seeing if organizations
change their tune with respect to you security measures, fan measures,
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alcohol measures and potentially implement some things that that the
UK and Europe is ahead of North America.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
And but can you imagine telling Americans they can't have
beer or they can't.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Can you imagine telling me I can't have beer?
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Like no, but like I like North Americans in general,
like Canadians and Americans like they but like the way
that people would take that on like an infringement of
their rights, you know what I mean. Yeah, it's worrisome
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We're taking a question from Claire Hey. Claire message both
myself and Ellen on Instagram to talk about the Minnesota
Links head coach Cheryl Reeves eventual suspension when she damned
us she wasn't suspended yet, I think no. From Game
four after yelling at the refs in response to what
she thought was a missed foul against her absolute start
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player Nafisa Collier in Friday's Game three.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, Claire, thank you so much for messaging us.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I love that you sent it with an image and
with a post and saying that you had thoughts, because
immediately I said, oh my god, I have thoughts.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
And I've been so excited to talk about all of this.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
And I should say, I should tease we have a
little something coming in a week and a half that
I think everyone who's listening to this podcast will really enjoy.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
That we'll talk about later, okay, but.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Just a little bit of tea for everyone to talk together.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
So Steph, do you want to kind of give the
context in the background of the suspension, and then I
can because.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
You thought, yeah, and I want you to have those thoughts. Thankay. So,
the top seeded Minnesota Lanks are officially eliminated from the
w NBA Playoffs, which is really upsetting because I was
rooting for them after they lost to the Phoenix Mercury
in Game four of their semi series on Sunday. But
that's not what we're talking about today. What we're talking
about is the Lanks head coach Cheryl Reeve was suspended
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from that game. At the end of Friday's Game three,
Reeve in a word, you could say, lost her cool
at the referees after her star player Collier was injured
in the waning moments of the game.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Like literally seconds left.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
And we say lose your cool, we mean storming the
court at the referees, losing her.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Cool, held back by colleagues. Yes, very theatrical performance.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah, I was very camp.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yeah, I was very camp. She then doubled downs, we're
talking about the coach then doubled down on her criticism
of the refs in the postgame conference, saying that the
rest performance was again another swear coming parents sorry quote
unquote fucking malpractice, which in part earned her the suspension.
And that is the photo I think that Claire sent us.
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And my first reaction was she's gonna get in twouble.
So that injury that happened in the final seconds of
that game kept Collier out of Game four, and then
the Links lost that game and now they're not in
the finals. And Reeves, the coach, was not allowed to
coach that game. So no Collier and no Cheryl Reeve.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Which is tough, Like, that's really hard to win a
do or die game without those characters. So I would
really encourage everyone to watch the highlights see what went
down if you didn't have an opportunity.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I wanted to break this down. I've been thinking a
lot about this, and I.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Want to break down WNBA officiating in two ways. The first,
I want to talk about what actually did happen with
Cheryl Reeve and with an Afisa Collier and with Alyssa Thomas.
And then I want to talk about WNBA officiating.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
On the whole.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
When you watch that highlight, there's a lot of different perspectives.
There's a lot of different things being said on Reddit.
There's a lot of different opinions going on. In my
personal opinion, and this is not the opinion of the gist,
I'm just saying this from my personal opinion. I do
not think that there was a foul on that play.
(32:44):
I did not think that that play was dirty. I
rewatched that seven million times, and every single time when
I was watching what Alyssa Thomas did, there was not
any purposeful k neon, knee action, body action, what have
you that I could see.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Was Reeve upset? Yes?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Was it potentially just because of that play? Maybe No,
Maybe that play kind of push it into a boiling
point does she see exactly what the refs across the
entire court could see.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
No, And I think Steph you said that.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
The refs afterwards said we are one hundred and ten
percent behind this non call on this play.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
The National Basketball Referees Association defended the no call in
a social media post after the fact.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yes, so I'm going to have to disagree with Cheryl
Reeve on that. Obviously. I hate that Collier was injured
on that play.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Sad.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
It was so sad.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
But when I looked at it, it wasn't like a
you know when people stick out their knees and you
just know for sure that they're trying to injure someone
or they're making a dirty play or whatever. That was
not this at all. It was a hard play for
the ball. It felt like it was clean. I'm stopping there.
Then I want to talk about my thought too.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Part two.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
This is thoughts on WNBA officiating, and just a complete
shout out to our producers and our team who write
the newsletter because they summarize everything I think so perfectly.
The issue with WNBA officiating isn't exactly new.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
If you've been following at all.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
A season and I'd say for the last three seasons
it has always been a topic of conversation.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
They have a challenging job, they have a thankless job.
I was a referee as a high school kid.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
You get paid really well actually, but it is a
thankless job. But there is just this overall lack of
consistency that makes it so difficult for players to adapt
to the game. Right now, Steph, we haven't had a
chance to really talk about the Las Vegas aces in
the Indiana Fever semis, but when you look at the
amount of foul calls and free throws that Indiana and
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the Fever have had in comparison to the Las Vegas aces,
completely unfair. When you look at the amount of free
throws that Nafisa Collier had throughout this postseason, and then
you look at the amount of free throws that Asia
Wilson has had, they're averaging like ten percent of what
they normally would throughout the regular season. Those star players
are getting fouled way more than that. And so this
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is when we're looking at this lack of consistency is
because you look at the stats and then numbers truly
just aren't adding up, and it's not seeming equal team
to team, ref to ref or game to game.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
What's potentially to blame for that, too, is the high
turnover of refs in the WNBA. Often what happens are
the best refs then get in air quotes, in my opinion,
promoted to the NBA where they would make more money,
and then there's gaps that are being filled with refs
with less experience and climbing that ladder. So there is
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perhaps a turnover problem happening with officiating in the WNBA.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
And I think you know there's going to be growing
pains and everything right Like the WNBA is still in
its scale up mode. I just think that the time
is now to really level up and set some standards
and potentially pay some of these refs more or have
different I'm sure they're all over it, but it's been
a really, really tough year from a refereeing perspective, and
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something's got to give, something's got to change. So thank
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a lot of opinions, especially for me floating out there today.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I've talked a lot.
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Also, like call me out if you don't agree with something,
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a different way to look and approach things. I always
love learning from other fans and hearing from other fans
as well, and chatting through all of that, so it
doesn't always have to be a question. I like hearing
everyone else's hot takes too, What.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Are my hot takes? Do it? I think basketball might
be one of the hardest sports to ref Yes, yeah,
so I think there's also that yes, I agree, Yeah,
it's a very hard sport to rev. Yeah, so agree
with me, disagree with me.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Please And with that that Mark San Today's episode Sorry
was a little bit long today, but we really appreciate
everyone tuning in.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
We'll be back in your feed with the new episode
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This episode was edited by Savannah Held and produced by
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Speaker 1 (37:27):
Again, I'm Ellen Hyslop.
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