December 16, 2025 • 32 mins
’Twas a dark NFL Sunday.
Two major injuries rattled the league in Week 15. First, superstar Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes tore his ACL in the final two minutes of his team’s loss to the LA Chargers. But that wasn’t all: hours later, Green Bay Packers defensive tackle Micah Parsons went down with a non-contact knee injury that was later confirmed to be an ACL tear. Today’s episode of The GIST of It takes a look at how these devastating injuries will impact the NFL.
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Two major injuries rattled the league in Week 15. First, superstar Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes tore his ACL in the final two minutes of his team’s loss to the LA Chargers. But that wasn’t all: hours later, Green Bay Packers defensive tackle Micah Parsons went down with a non-contact knee injury that was later confirmed to be an ACL tear. Today’s episode of The GIST of It takes a look at how these devastating injuries will impact the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
What's up, pals?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome or welcome back to another episode of the Gist
of It. Today is Tuesday, December sixteenth.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
We're your co hosts.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I'm Ellen Hisslob and I'm Steph Rocks. It's your thirty
three and two months birthday today.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
The way that I just had blank, my brain was
just blank. I don't know about you, but and I
know when we're not wishing time away?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
But how is it not the holiday break?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yo? I love? Literally?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Then like why am I logging into work? And why
am I logging into work this entire week?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I feel the same way, however, I will say being
a business owner, I'm like I need every second of
this week that I could get before everybody is off
on vacation because we close our offices and so for
everyone listening to the pod, we won't have a pod
between Christmas and New Year's of the regular gist of It,
but we will for She's not next now, which I
hope that everyone has been enjoying every Monday I have.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Have you been?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I listened to this morning because today I was better
than everyone and I went to a seven am plates class.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
You did not good for you? SEF think Matt Plate's
Oh you know me, Matt.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Reformer, Oh, reformer, Matt's torture.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
You find it harder than reformer.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I will only go to a Matt Plates class at night.
Explain I'm fully awake. Oh, I'm not a morning person.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
I hate that.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Like the morning and me, I have to like, like
set a reminder the night before. You're waking up early.
You can't hit snooze like me and my dog just
want to cuddle.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
We just want to sleep in.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
And I feel like you've always been like that. You've
you've always been like that. You're very consistent in that way.
And maybe that's also why we're friends, because I'm not
a morning person either.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
When I stayed over at Ellen's house, I think, what was.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
That like a year ago?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
And now, yeah, yeah, year and a half ago. Last summer.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Oh my god, it was the first time I've stayed
over with a friend who didn't want to get up
at seven in the morning.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
It was perfect and we both really enjoyed it. I
was like, just it said, don't put your alarms on,
just wake up, and we.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Both waddled downstairs in the morning, had our tea and
coffee in a leisurely manner, and then we enjoyed the
rest of our day at night like normal people. No,
people love waking up early, and I go, good on them,
good for them, But I know that sometimes I'm like,
you're doing that because it makes.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
You feel like you're a better person than me.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Well, supposedly these morning people just automatically wake up and
they can't go back to sleep.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I go, this is what my friends tell me about.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Your friends are lying, Yeah, this.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Is why whenever we're talking about F one, I'm like,
I'm sure most of you listening are like, yeah, I'm
already up at that hour on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah, no, not about it anyway. So, yeah, it's almost
the holidays.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Football is going to be played on Christmas this year,
and we have a little early holiday gift for everybody
because we are talking about football. I wouldn't say it's
the most cheery gifts though, because if y'all have been watching,
and if you haven't watching, that's okay.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
That's what today's podcast is about.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
But on Sunday, steph two superstar players went down with
season ending injuries. First, Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes
was hurt in the waning moments of his team's lost
to the LA Dodgers, and then hours later, Green Bay
Packers defensive tackle Micah Parsons exited his team's lost to
(03:29):
the Denver Broncos with a non contact knee injury, which
is now confirmed to be an aclchair. So both Patty
Mahomes and Micah Parsons down with an aclchair. I think
a lot of people probably know Patrick Mahomes name by now,
whether you're a football fan or not, because he just
continues to be in the Super Bowl conversation. But for
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Micah Parsons, he is arguably the best defensive player in
the league. He was playing for the Dallas Cowboys and
then moved over to the Green Bay pack and a
move that was just like such a horrible one by
the Cowboys, and.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
So you might have heard his name earlier this season two.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
But defensive players never get the love that they deserve,
and so we want to talk about.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Both of them today.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, I do you feel scene?
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yeah, I do you feel seen? Thank you?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Because you always you always notice when it's bad, but
when it's good. The whole point is you don't notice them,
but the moment I saw Patrick Mahomes hobbling on my feed,
I thought of you, and I knew this this is
what we were going to be talking about because obviously
seeing two like well, first Mahomes and then the second
(04:39):
go down like that on the same day, it's just
major implications for the league, like the NFL at large,
we do need to talk about it, of course, So
we're going to take a look at how mahomes injury
might affect Kansas City in the long term, so not
just this season, and then we're going to shift to
talk about how Parsons injury will impact Green Bay in
particular this season for their playoff hopes.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yes, but before how are we get started? I want
to call an audible and this has been something that's
been on my mind and I think Steph, it's been
on your mind for quite some time, and so before
we get into this conversation, I do want to say
we understand that there's a lot of nuance here. There's
a lot of things that we can't necessarily get into.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
On the podcast.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
But something that has been really irking me lately, Seph
is this Battle of the Sexes match in Dubai. And
so for those of you who aren't familiar. On December
twenty eighth, world number one women's tennis player Arena Sablanca
will play formerly impressive and now six hundred and seventy
three ranks Nick Kurios in a Battle of the Sexes
(05:44):
match in Dubai Nick Kurrios. When we say formerly impressive,
we mean formally exceptionally good and formerly very good within
the last five years, ten years, fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
This guy is amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
If anyone had the upper tunity to watch Breakpoint the
first season, you would have seen.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I think he was featured in the first season.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And this what we want to get into today, I
think is us talking a lot about the misogyny of
this the potential good and bad of something like the
Battle of the Sexes.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
But we are also.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Going to talk about domestic assault, answer and trovia. So
if you want to skip this section of the podcast,
please join us in probably like four minutes down the line.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yeah, and if you are like, oh, but then you're
talking about acl terrace, but don't worry. Today in our
personal training sest, we're talking about something really exciting. Yeah,
really fun, really really fun. We're going to end on
a high note today and.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
This Battle of Sexes.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
The fact that it's been marketing as that or marketed
as frustrating, really frustrating, really grinding my gears.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
And the reason why it's been grinding our gears is
because it is a callback to Billy Jen King's nineteen
seventy three Battle of the Sexes match against Bobby Riggs.
In nineteen seventy three, when Billy Jen King was essentially
forced to play Battle of the Sexes, it was a
very different time. Women were fighting for equal play in
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tennis and that was all around Billy Jan King and
what was it the seven other stuff who were trying
to create the WTA. Margaret Court had played in her
own Battle of the Sexes, I think it was one
or two years beforehand against every other women on tours'
hopes that she would play it. She went out, she played,
she lost, didn't do anything for women, And so when
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Billy Jen King went out there and was playing against
Bobby Riggs. If you've had the opportunity to read Billy
Jean's biography, or if you had the opportunity to watch
the Battle of the Sexist movie featuring Emma Stone and
Steve Carell and iconic duo together. We also of them
in Oh My God, Crazy Stupid Love So good. You
(08:04):
will know Billy Jan King did not want to play
this match, but she felt like she needed to play
this match because of the statement that it was going
to make by the number one woman basically facing off
against this man, Bobby Riggs, who made a big show
of challenging Billy Jean King, and who needed money and
(08:24):
who basically was trying to profit off of everything. And
so the battle of the sexist was never something that
women wanted.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
No, this is not that would not be a match
that you would go in lightheartedly, like you would not
want to do that match knowing the way that it holds.
And we are clearly in a very different time. But
back then, Billy Jing King did beat him in three
straight sets. And so she actually did recently comment on
this exhibition match that is slated for the end of
(08:52):
the month, saying it's quote not the same as she
was in the midst of course, for fighting for equality
in the sport, but she still hopes that Semolenka wins.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, like, of course we want Sabalanca to win.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I think when I look at this stuff, it just
feels like a complete and utter money grab. Yeah, and
so I'm saying, Okay, so this is an opportunity for
whoever to make a bunch of money, namely Curios and Sablanca,
namely whoever is funding this event through media rights, through whatever,
(09:27):
to make a whole lot of money. And when we
zoom out and look at the climate that we are
in right now and the way in which misogyny is
still exceptionally rampant in the world that we live in,
I go what dollar amount is actually worth it to
play something like the Battle of the Sexes. There is
(09:49):
a reason why it has been over forty years, almost
fifty years.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Over fifty years, quick math, over fifty years.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Since the Battle of the Sexes. We don't need to
touch it. Women have proved themselves over and over and
over again. We don't need to be doing this.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah, that's why the levity of it all and the approach,
and it does feel gross to be using the same
name in the same marketing. That is why it was
really grinding my gears is because it totally ignores and
discounts all of that historical context in a way to
promote this match between two competitors themselves who are raising
eyebrows with their own morals.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, so Kirios probably a familiar name because he was
once ranked as high as number thirteen in the world,
his runner up at Wimbledon in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
As I was mentioning.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Beforehand, like formerly very recently very good, but has struggled
with risk issues and mental health issues for the last
two years. He only played five singles matches in twenty
twenty five. You might also know his name because he
pled guilty to assaulting his girlfriend in twenty twenty three.
He has done a lot of commentating during his time
away from the sport.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
He is loud, opinionated.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Bombastic, not always liked and there's a reason why they
chose him. Let's just say for this Battle of the
sexes in terms of him potentially being the closest example
to someone like a Bobby Briggs.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Didn't he also like, wasn't he a fan of Andrew Tate?
I think and then changed his mind or something.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
An, Yeah, that's like the kind of character we're working
with here. And then sabal Anka last week said something
that really raised eyebras as it should, making the following
comment regarding trans athletes. She said quote that's a tricky question.
I have nothing to do against them, but I feel
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like they still got a huge advantage over the women,
and I think it's not fair on women to face
basically biological men.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
End quote.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
The WTA's policy regarding trans athletes as follows, The WTA
permits transgender women to participate if they have declared their
gender as female for a minimum of four years, have
lowered to socialon levels, and agree to testing procedures. And
these conditions may be further varied by the WTA Medical
Manager on a case by case basis.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
So this in itself is quite vague, like that's like the.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Case by case basis clause to just I think also
says like it's a whole lot.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
I don't know, you want to help me out.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
It's just like it's just so upset.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
It's just playing into I think the thing that is
so frustrating about all of these conversations is that the
media is almost playing like gotcha, gotcha with these athletes
when these athletes are ill informed or misinformed.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
And that is.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Because the more conservative media that's saying that they're protecting
women's sports is saying that all of these trans athletes
are the biggest issues in sports.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
When we have talked about.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
It on our podcast over and over and over again,
of the percentage of trans folks in America, then you
look at those who are playing professional sports or playing
collegiate sports, and then you look at it and we're
actually talking about maybe like four people who are playing
in the zero and I.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Just I think that there's this.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
The gotcha media side of things is that all of
these athletes are seeing this conversation take place across social media,
across digital media, what have you, and they're seeing it
come out in such a big way that it feels
like it's this big issue and thing. Where As we know,
people aren't transitioning so that they can play a sport.
(13:37):
People aren't transitioning to win a game. They are transitioning
to feel like themselves. And so I think that it's
it's like misinformation and ill education at its finest. And
athletes and especially someone like Arena Sabalanca, has a huge platform,
and so I think that being misinformed and having a
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huge platform is an exceptionally dangerous combination. If you are
going to have a comment on something like this, I
would have much preferred to see Sablanca say, that's a
tricky question. I support women period, end of story, all women.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
And then all women.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
This is the matchup that is co opting a very
like a previously very monumental moment for human rights being
the battle of the sexes exact when it comes to sports,
and like that is that is the backdrop of this match.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yes, and with women's sports supposed to be this space,
this safe space for lgbt QA plus community, especially you know,
with Billy Jean King's connection to all of it, Like
it's just the whole thing is really gross to me, honestly,
and I'm really disappointed that this is something that we
are ending twenty twenty five with.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Okay, we're gonna dive into our one big story today
and we are going to talk about two major injuries
shaking out the NFL, in.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Both of them being ACL, which, as a long time
listeners will know, I have made it my personality to
let everybody know that I have toured my ACL. I
tore my left ACL, and so whenever someone tears their
left ACL, I just feel this kind of connection to them,
and it's a horrible thing that happens. But I do
think there's been a lot of progress since even I
tore my ACL in twenty seventeen. I think the limit
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of me talking about it is probably ten years the
stuff like I think I have till twenty twenty seven
and then I can't bring it up again.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I think you're allowed to bring it up again because
you've had like injuries since then too. Oh do you
think I think that that compounds and it's like your
injury prone. Therefore you're allowed to talk about it.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Oughugh, that's my hot take.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I hate being injury prone. I like that hot take,
not me.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
So we're gonna talk about Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
First Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes, and he tore
his ACL. In case you missed it, this is what's
really sad to me too, Steph. He tore his ACL
in the final two minutes of the game against the
LA Chargers on Sunday. It was a contact injury. So
a lot of acls are non contact they just kind
of happened with your foot grabbing, but this one was
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a contact injury.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
He grabbed his left knee immediately. But now he's my
we're pals. We were leftne pals.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
But he grabbed his leftnee immediately and the MRI confirmed
that he tore his ACL. But if you were watching,
or if you saw the highlights, you saw that happening
and you went, oh, he's down, and that's what's going on.
The team is already exploring surgical options. So you just
got to feel for him.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Makes me a bit queasy, not gonna lie witnessing all
of that. Yeah, bit hard for us medical folks, or
folks who are scared of the medical field should have
but scared, Yeah, nonetheless. And this is the worst injury
that Mahomes has suffered in his nine year NFL career,
So you really do got a feel for the guy.
He is a generational talent and alongside head coach Andy Reid,
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Mahomes has been the leader of the Casey's dynastic run,
which saw them make five Super Bowl appearances, including three
Super Bowl wins in twenty twenty, twenty twenty three, twenty
twenty four. Since Mahomes became starting quarterback back in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
He's that good. He really is that good.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
And so now because of what happened over the weekend
and their loss, they will miss the playoffs for the
first time since twenty fourteen. They will miss the playoffs
for the first time in the Patrick Mahomes era. Acls
take a long time to heal, and you also generally
can't do surgery right away. Generally they like to wait
about four to six weeks because you have to like
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let the swelling go down, You have to figure that out,
you have to talk about your approach, what have you.
At least that's what Tom Brady did. And I'm going
to bring up tom Brady because because when he toured,
I saw this on social media and I'm like pretty
certain that it's accurate, but I'm going to quote the
account just in case it's not accurate. I don't want
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to get in trouble for this, but what I saw
today on social stuff from a verified account, but these
days people pay for their blue check marks, so you
don't know for sure. But it was from Jordan Schultz.
Tom Brady also suffered an ACL tear in his ninth season.
And what's wild stuff is that tom Brady's ACL tear
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came the year after losing the Super Bowl with And
that's what just happened. Patrick Mahomes didn't just win the
Super Bowl, but he just played in the Super Bowl,
and both quarterbacks have won three Super Bowls prior to
their aclchair. So Tom Brady went down had already won
three Super Bowls. Patrick Mahomes goes down has already won
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three Super Bowls. And from the photo it does look
like it was Tom's LEFTNI as well.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Really yeah, I think the difference is so much. I
am a witch.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I think the difference to Tom Brady toward his at
the beginning of the season.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
So the Patriots season was just like kind of.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Shit after that versus like Kansas City. I really wasn't sure.
We talked about this last week. They could have potentially
made a wild card run, but now they're out, and
I think the biggest thing that we kind of wanted
to talk about is like what does this mean for
Kansas City?
Speaker 1 (19:25):
And I think it.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Really depends on how he recovers from this ACL injury,
because sef this could take six months, this could take
a year. We don't know what he's going to be
like when he is coming back. Luckily, he is young,
so he should respond pretty well to whatever approach they
take to his surgery. But when Patrick Mahomes is your
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QB one, you are creating your entire team around Patrick Mahomes.
Backup quarterback Cardner Micheu is coming in. You might remember
him Minshew Magic from a few years ago. He's fine enough,
but like, he is not going to be able to
lead Kansas City next year. So if Patty Mahomes is
out for a year's stufh like, does Kansas City think
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that they could make the playoffs next year? Or do
they use this opportunity to potentially figure out a way
to rebuild with young stars around him so then when
he could come back and earnest the following season, or
if they miraculously make the playoffs, can they approach things
that way?
Speaker 1 (20:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Those are a lot of really good questions, And I
think what this is also doing is increasing the spotlight
on tight end Travis Kelcey, you know what I mean,
like because you just pose that question of what's the
team going to do? And he's thirty six years old
and based on his production this year, his best football
daves are probably behind him. And he did say weeks
ago that he will not be making a decision about
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his career until March, and he did decline to speak
to reporters after the loss this Sunday. Him and Mahomes
are besties. They have one of the best quarterback to
tight end connections in NFL history. And Mahomes isn't playing.
He's injured. Yeah, next season, like Ellen said, it's gonna
take probably a year, right, Yeah, six months to a year.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Like he would be shocked if he came back in September,
But I would love to be shocked, Like I would
love to see Patrick's back pitch in September.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Maybe it will be more like in October. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
It would be amazing to see that happen. I would
love that to happen for him. But you just you
don't know with the knee because it's also he tours ACL.
But what else City tear in there? Like did he
also tears Mniska City tear his MCL Like you know
what I mean? Could they use his potella or his hamstring?
Like they're so mees are weird as we as we've
talked about on the podcast before, stuff like what really
scares me about knee is you look at someone like
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Sam UIs, friend of the Gist, has come on the
pot a few times. Former US women's national team superstar,
and her career was cut short because of a knee
injury and subsequent knee surgeries that just did not go right.
Look at Kristin Press, another US Win's national team player
who went down initially with a tear. She had multiple
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knee surgeries before she could actually make it back to
Angel CITYFC, and it completely changed the trajectory of the
back half of her career. And so that's why with
Micah Parsons, who will get to in a second here,
as well as Patrick Mahomes, it's like they're still young
enough where you want to make sure you get the
surgery right and you want to make sure you get
the recovery right. It's better to come back later than
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to potentially come back too soon. That didn't happen with
us or with Kristin Press, Like they just honestly had
such bad luck and experiences with their knees.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
But you just never know. Knees are so complicated.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
For the lore, did you tear just your ICL or
you mentioned a couple other things there meniscus, I.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Tore my acl I partially tore my meniscus and my
plateeller was all abraded. So they couldn't use that, so
I did a hamstring repair and then also as part
of a study. I think I mentioned this on the
pot before, but I was part of a study because
I was like twenty five and undered determined, hyper flexible
figure skater, And they actually also redirected my IT band
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as part of the study into my knee, so it
took longer recovery for me. But they found out through
the study that it is less of a likelihood for
people twenty five and a nunder who are perflexible to
retear if.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
They got that IT band surgery too.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I'm going to ask you that every single time, because
that information goes into a little black box in my
brain and then I curse it.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
But I think to your point, like Travis Kelsey should
I almost call him Travis Mahomes, he should retire anyway,
regardless of Mahomes, Like it's time. You're also about to
Mary Taylor Swift, like, go be mister Swift, Go do
your podcast, Go cheer your mom mom in Traders. I
can't wait to watch her in Traders, Like just go live.
I'm excited, Like as much as this sucks for Mahomes,
(23:50):
I am excited in one way or another for Kansas
City because I think that they need a reset and they.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Need a regroup.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
I'm avery happy that you were able to end that
particular part of the segment on high note that it's
really happy. It's really good work that you've done there.
So let's talk about the Green Bay Packers and their
defensive tackle Micah Parsons, who also tour his ACL this Sunday.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, and his was non contact, also left me what
is happening non contact too?
Speaker 1 (24:17):
You just you hear the pop and you go hmm,
and you feel it.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Like your leg goes one way and your nie says,
and why are we going that way? He was trying
to rush Broncos quarterback Bone Nicks when he suffered this injury.
The team and I were chatting today when we were
prepping for this podcast. We were like, does Denver play
on a turf field? Because ACL's it's a higher likelihood
that you're going to tear them on turf, which is
why so many soccer negotiations on the women's side are
(24:43):
about getting rid of the turf field.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
But no, this was on grass. Both of them are on.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Grass, and as I mentioned, Parsons was part of that
blockbuster trade to the Packers from the Cowboys, and.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
He's been so good this year's stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
He has twelve and a half sacks on the season
heading into Sunday's game, and he is the NFL player
to ever record at least a dozen sacks in a season.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Oh my gosh, this guy's name needs to be a
bit bigger.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, no, exactly, And so I think the biggest thing
though here stuff is like we're talking long term kind
of stuff with the Patrick Mahomes of it all, but
the Micah Parsons of it all. Green Bay is like
very much in the playoff hunt, and without Micah Parsons.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
That really impacts things.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
And so I think that we should very much be
watching the NFC and the NFC North, which is the
division that the green Bay Packers play in, over these
next few weeks before the season ends at the beginning
of January, because that's a really tough conference, that's a
really tough division, and the NFC North and you need
to have good defense. And so I'm just wondering who
(25:50):
they have to actually step up into Micah Parsons role
and can they actually close that gap enough, like they're
never gonna be Michael Parsons. But you need someone who's
at least gonna be like eighty percent of him, and
I don't know if that's possible.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
The Packers' next game is on Saturday versus their NFC
North rival, the Chicago Bears. And win over the Bears,
we'll put the Packers back on top of the division
and give them the tiebreaker over the Bears.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
So that is some important context too. Who knows.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
It's time for our personal training sess. This is the
last son of the podcast. This is the segment where
we would love to have you involved. We would love
you could submit any sort of questions that you have
that you would love us answered about anything in the
sports world, or share anything that you would like us
to spotlight or to discuss, or really banter about a
hot take that you might have.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
This is what this is your segment.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Here, Banta, Banta, some Banta, some chat.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
In today's Personal Training Sess, we hear from China who
shared that there is a new docuseriies on the growth
of women's sports called The Rise, which pre on Peacock yesterday.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Thank you so much for sending this my way because
I had no idea so shout Out. It's a five
part docuseries that followed the growth of women's sports across
league since twenty twenty four. So the five separate films
like these are separate films or will be separate films,
are on different subjects the WNBA, the PWHL, the X Games,
the women of NASCAR, and quote unquote the overnight success
(27:24):
of women's sports that is anything about an overnight success.
So this is such an exciting five part docu series
with a lot of really impressive people involved in each
one of these documentaries. The first two films, WNBA twenty
twenty four, The Year that Changed Everything and The New
Moneyball are available to stream now. They came out I believe,
(27:46):
on the summer fifteen so yesterday, and the three other
films will premiere in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
What I love about this too, Steph, is that these
are being produced by Hello Sunshine, which is Reese Sorry Ree,
So we withd Reese, with Foon's company, as well as
ally the bank that we know as a major supporter
of women's sports, and we know that Reese and the
type of stuff that Hello Sunshine has been doing has
(28:11):
really been focused on women's forward storytelling that oftentimes is
just not told and is not brought into the spotlight,
and so this is really cool. I'm really curious and
maybe we could get someone from Hello Sunshine on the
pod or chatting with people from the Just Plus. But
I'm really curious stuff why they chose these four subjects
with the WNBA, the PWHL X games, and NASCAR, especially
(28:36):
when there's been so much change in other sports too.
I am just so curious of that. And I also
need to watch this because of our She's Not Next,
She's Now series. I feel like there's some nice parallels here.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Isn't it so nice when like you can just kind
of see the zeitgeist and culturally what's happening, Because that's
also what I thought of, was that She's Not Next,
She's Now seens that you guys are producing, because it's
just it's like really amplifies and shows you.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Like what is in all of our cultural conscience, you
know what I mean. I think it's really exciting.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I'm personally so excited for the PWHL What a very.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
And becoming an American lens on that too, exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
It documents eight hockey players in the first year, so
they there's like mainly Americans, but there's a couple Canadians
in there. So that follows the inaugural season at the PWHL.
So I'm really excited for.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
That one to drop.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
And this is a type of content that women's sports
deserve that we just haven't had in such a long time.
So I'm really looking forward to this. Thank you so
much China for dming. We really really appreciate it. And
if you'd like to be featured on a future episode,
please reach out. We don't bite, we love to chat
with you, we love to talk with you, we love
to banter. As Steff said, you can call us and
(29:48):
leave us a voicemail with your beautiful voice at one
four three seven five six four five five seven nine.
You can also click on that number in the show
notes and it will just directly take you there. You
can email us pod at theis sports dot com or
message Steph and I on Instagram. Steph is at Sephanie
Rots and I am at Ellen at the Gist and
(30:08):
we'd love to bring bring your conversation over to the
podcast community.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah, and we're coming to the end of twenty twenty five,
so if there's anything in terms of like end of
year or look back in like year in review, or
anything else that you want to share with maybe like.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Your favorite moments.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Put them in now, because we're running out of time
and we can kind of do a look back if
you will, so I would encourage those as well.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
That's such a great idea. We should bring that to
the Just Plus and the Discord. Yeah, I love that.
That marks THEANA Today's episode. Thank you so much for
tuning in. We will be back in your feed with
a new podcast on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
In the meantime, you know the drill.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
If you enjoy this episode, please rate, review, subscribe, share.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
This episode was edited by Savannah Halt and produced by
Lisa Minnutillo, Alessandra Puccio, and Lauren Tuscala. Again, I'm Steph Rotts.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
And I'm Ellen Hislob, and we will chat with you.
Get you
What's up, pals?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome or welcome back to another episode of the Gist
of It. Today is Tuesday, December sixteenth.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
We're your co hosts.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I'm Ellen Hisslob and I'm Steph Rocks. It's your thirty
three and two months birthday today.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
The way that I just had blank, my brain was
just blank. I don't know about you, but and I
know when we're not wishing time away?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
But how is it not the holiday break?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yo? I love? Literally?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Then like why am I logging into work? And why
am I logging into work this entire week?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I feel the same way, however, I will say being
a business owner, I'm like I need every second of
this week that I could get before everybody is off
on vacation because we close our offices and so for
everyone listening to the pod, we won't have a pod
between Christmas and New Year's of the regular gist of It,
but we will for She's not next now, which I
hope that everyone has been enjoying every Monday I have.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Have you been?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I listened to this morning because today I was better
than everyone and I went to a seven am plates class.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
You did not good for you? SEF think Matt Plate's
Oh you know me, Matt.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Reformer, Oh, reformer, Matt's torture.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
You find it harder than reformer.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I will only go to a Matt Plates class at night.
Explain I'm fully awake. Oh, I'm not a morning person.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
I hate that.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Like the morning and me, I have to like, like
set a reminder the night before. You're waking up early.
You can't hit snooze like me and my dog just
want to cuddle.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
We just want to sleep in.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
And I feel like you've always been like that. You've
you've always been like that. You're very consistent in that way.
And maybe that's also why we're friends, because I'm not
a morning person either.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
When I stayed over at Ellen's house, I think, what was.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
That like a year ago?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
And now, yeah, yeah, year and a half ago. Last summer.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Oh my god, it was the first time I've stayed
over with a friend who didn't want to get up
at seven in the morning.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
It was perfect and we both really enjoyed it. I
was like, just it said, don't put your alarms on,
just wake up, and we.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Both waddled downstairs in the morning, had our tea and
coffee in a leisurely manner, and then we enjoyed the
rest of our day at night like normal people. No,
people love waking up early, and I go, good on them,
good for them, But I know that sometimes I'm like,
you're doing that because it makes.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
You feel like you're a better person than me.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Well, supposedly these morning people just automatically wake up and
they can't go back to sleep.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I go, this is what my friends tell me about.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Your friends are lying, Yeah, this.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Is why whenever we're talking about F one, I'm like,
I'm sure most of you listening are like, yeah, I'm
already up at that hour on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah, no, not about it anyway. So, yeah, it's almost
the holidays.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Football is going to be played on Christmas this year,
and we have a little early holiday gift for everybody
because we are talking about football. I wouldn't say it's
the most cheery gifts though, because if y'all have been watching,
and if you haven't watching, that's okay.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
That's what today's podcast is about.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
But on Sunday, steph two superstar players went down with
season ending injuries. First, Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes
was hurt in the waning moments of his team's lost
to the LA Dodgers, and then hours later, Green Bay
Packers defensive tackle Micah Parsons exited his team's lost to
(03:29):
the Denver Broncos with a non contact knee injury, which
is now confirmed to be an aclchair. So both Patty
Mahomes and Micah Parsons down with an aclchair. I think
a lot of people probably know Patrick Mahomes name by now,
whether you're a football fan or not, because he just
continues to be in the Super Bowl conversation. But for
(03:50):
Micah Parsons, he is arguably the best defensive player in
the league. He was playing for the Dallas Cowboys and
then moved over to the Green Bay pack and a
move that was just like such a horrible one by
the Cowboys, and.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
So you might have heard his name earlier this season two.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
But defensive players never get the love that they deserve,
and so we want to talk about.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Both of them today.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, I do you feel scene?
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yeah, I do you feel seen? Thank you?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Because you always you always notice when it's bad, but
when it's good. The whole point is you don't notice them,
but the moment I saw Patrick Mahomes hobbling on my feed,
I thought of you, and I knew this this is
what we were going to be talking about because obviously
seeing two like well, first Mahomes and then the second
(04:39):
go down like that on the same day, it's just
major implications for the league, like the NFL at large,
we do need to talk about it, of course, So
we're going to take a look at how mahomes injury
might affect Kansas City in the long term, so not
just this season, and then we're going to shift to
talk about how Parsons injury will impact Green Bay in
particular this season for their playoff hopes.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yes, but before how are we get started? I want
to call an audible and this has been something that's
been on my mind and I think Steph, it's been
on your mind for quite some time, and so before
we get into this conversation, I do want to say
we understand that there's a lot of nuance here. There's
a lot of things that we can't necessarily get into.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
On the podcast.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
But something that has been really irking me lately, Seph
is this Battle of the Sexes match in Dubai. And
so for those of you who aren't familiar. On December
twenty eighth, world number one women's tennis player Arena Sablanca
will play formerly impressive and now six hundred and seventy
three ranks Nick Kurios in a Battle of the Sexes
(05:44):
match in Dubai Nick Kurrios. When we say formerly impressive,
we mean formally exceptionally good and formerly very good within
the last five years, ten years, fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
This guy is amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
If anyone had the upper tunity to watch Breakpoint the
first season, you would have seen.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I think he was featured in the first season.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And this what we want to get into today, I
think is us talking a lot about the misogyny of
this the potential good and bad of something like the
Battle of the Sexes.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
But we are also.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Going to talk about domestic assault, answer and trovia. So
if you want to skip this section of the podcast,
please join us in probably like four minutes down the line.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yeah, and if you are like, oh, but then you're
talking about acl terrace, but don't worry. Today in our
personal training sest, we're talking about something really exciting. Yeah,
really fun, really really fun. We're going to end on
a high note today and.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
This Battle of Sexes.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
The fact that it's been marketing as that or marketed
as frustrating, really frustrating, really grinding my gears.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
And the reason why it's been grinding our gears is
because it is a callback to Billy Jen King's nineteen
seventy three Battle of the Sexes match against Bobby Riggs.
In nineteen seventy three, when Billy Jen King was essentially
forced to play Battle of the Sexes, it was a
very different time. Women were fighting for equal play in
(07:20):
tennis and that was all around Billy Jan King and
what was it the seven other stuff who were trying
to create the WTA. Margaret Court had played in her
own Battle of the Sexes, I think it was one
or two years beforehand against every other women on tours'
hopes that she would play it. She went out, she played,
she lost, didn't do anything for women, And so when
(07:43):
Billy Jen King went out there and was playing against
Bobby Riggs. If you've had the opportunity to read Billy
Jean's biography, or if you had the opportunity to watch
the Battle of the Sexist movie featuring Emma Stone and
Steve Carell and iconic duo together. We also of them
in Oh My God, Crazy Stupid Love So good. You
(08:04):
will know Billy Jan King did not want to play
this match, but she felt like she needed to play
this match because of the statement that it was going
to make by the number one woman basically facing off
against this man, Bobby Riggs, who made a big show
of challenging Billy Jean King, and who needed money and
(08:24):
who basically was trying to profit off of everything. And
so the battle of the sexist was never something that
women wanted.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
No, this is not that would not be a match
that you would go in lightheartedly, like you would not
want to do that match knowing the way that it holds.
And we are clearly in a very different time. But
back then, Billy Jing King did beat him in three
straight sets. And so she actually did recently comment on
this exhibition match that is slated for the end of
(08:52):
the month, saying it's quote not the same as she
was in the midst of course, for fighting for equality
in the sport, but she still hopes that Semolenka wins.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, like, of course we want Sabalanca to win.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I think when I look at this stuff, it just
feels like a complete and utter money grab. Yeah, and
so I'm saying, Okay, so this is an opportunity for
whoever to make a bunch of money, namely Curios and Sablanca,
namely whoever is funding this event through media rights, through whatever,
(09:27):
to make a whole lot of money. And when we
zoom out and look at the climate that we are
in right now and the way in which misogyny is
still exceptionally rampant in the world that we live in,
I go what dollar amount is actually worth it to
play something like the Battle of the Sexes. There is
(09:49):
a reason why it has been over forty years, almost
fifty years.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Over fifty years, quick math, over fifty years.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Since the Battle of the Sexes. We don't need to
touch it. Women have proved themselves over and over and
over again. We don't need to be doing this.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah, that's why the levity of it all and the approach,
and it does feel gross to be using the same
name in the same marketing. That is why it was
really grinding my gears is because it totally ignores and
discounts all of that historical context in a way to
promote this match between two competitors themselves who are raising
eyebrows with their own morals.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, so Kirios probably a familiar name because he was
once ranked as high as number thirteen in the world,
his runner up at Wimbledon in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
As I was mentioning.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Beforehand, like formerly very recently very good, but has struggled
with risk issues and mental health issues for the last
two years. He only played five singles matches in twenty
twenty five. You might also know his name because he
pled guilty to assaulting his girlfriend in twenty twenty three.
He has done a lot of commentating during his time
away from the sport.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
He is loud, opinionated.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Bombastic, not always liked and there's a reason why they
chose him. Let's just say for this Battle of the
sexes in terms of him potentially being the closest example
to someone like a Bobby Briggs.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Didn't he also like, wasn't he a fan of Andrew Tate?
I think and then changed his mind or something.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
An, Yeah, that's like the kind of character we're working
with here. And then sabal Anka last week said something
that really raised eyebras as it should, making the following
comment regarding trans athletes. She said quote that's a tricky question.
I have nothing to do against them, but I feel
(11:44):
like they still got a huge advantage over the women,
and I think it's not fair on women to face
basically biological men.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
End quote.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
The WTA's policy regarding trans athletes as follows, The WTA
permits transgender women to participate if they have declared their
gender as female for a minimum of four years, have
lowered to socialon levels, and agree to testing procedures. And
these conditions may be further varied by the WTA Medical
Manager on a case by case basis.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
So this in itself is quite vague, like that's like the.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Case by case basis clause to just I think also
says like it's a whole lot.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
I don't know, you want to help me out.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
It's just like it's just so upset.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
It's just playing into I think the thing that is
so frustrating about all of these conversations is that the
media is almost playing like gotcha, gotcha with these athletes
when these athletes are ill informed or misinformed.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
And that is.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Because the more conservative media that's saying that they're protecting
women's sports is saying that all of these trans athletes
are the biggest issues in sports.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
When we have talked about.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
It on our podcast over and over and over again,
of the percentage of trans folks in America, then you
look at those who are playing professional sports or playing
collegiate sports, and then you look at it and we're
actually talking about maybe like four people who are playing
in the zero and I.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Just I think that there's this.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
The gotcha media side of things is that all of
these athletes are seeing this conversation take place across social media,
across digital media, what have you, and they're seeing it
come out in such a big way that it feels
like it's this big issue and thing. Where As we know,
people aren't transitioning so that they can play a sport.
(13:37):
People aren't transitioning to win a game. They are transitioning
to feel like themselves. And so I think that it's
it's like misinformation and ill education at its finest. And
athletes and especially someone like Arena Sabalanca, has a huge platform,
and so I think that being misinformed and having a
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huge platform is an exceptionally dangerous combination. If you are
going to have a comment on something like this, I
would have much preferred to see Sablanca say, that's a
tricky question. I support women period, end of story, all women.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
And then all women.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
This is the matchup that is co opting a very
like a previously very monumental moment for human rights being
the battle of the sexes exact when it comes to sports,
and like that is that is the backdrop of this match.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yes, and with women's sports supposed to be this space,
this safe space for lgbt QA plus community, especially you know,
with Billy Jean King's connection to all of it, Like
it's just the whole thing is really gross to me, honestly,
and I'm really disappointed that this is something that we
are ending twenty twenty five with.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Okay, we're gonna dive into our one big story today
and we are going to talk about two major injuries
shaking out the NFL, in.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Both of them being ACL, which, as a long time
listeners will know, I have made it my personality to
let everybody know that I have toured my ACL. I
tore my left ACL, and so whenever someone tears their
left ACL, I just feel this kind of connection to them,
and it's a horrible thing that happens. But I do
think there's been a lot of progress since even I
tore my ACL in twenty seventeen. I think the limit
(15:34):
of me talking about it is probably ten years the
stuff like I think I have till twenty twenty seven
and then I can't bring it up again.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I think you're allowed to bring it up again because
you've had like injuries since then too. Oh do you
think I think that that compounds and it's like your
injury prone. Therefore you're allowed to talk about it.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Oughugh, that's my hot take.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I hate being injury prone. I like that hot take,
not me.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
So we're gonna talk about Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
First Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes, and he tore
his ACL. In case you missed it, this is what's
really sad to me too, Steph. He tore his ACL
in the final two minutes of the game against the
LA Chargers on Sunday. It was a contact injury. So
a lot of acls are non contact they just kind
of happened with your foot grabbing, but this one was
(16:25):
a contact injury.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
He grabbed his left knee immediately. But now he's my
we're pals. We were leftne pals.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
But he grabbed his leftnee immediately and the MRI confirmed
that he tore his ACL. But if you were watching,
or if you saw the highlights, you saw that happening
and you went, oh, he's down, and that's what's going on.
The team is already exploring surgical options. So you just
got to feel for him.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Makes me a bit queasy, not gonna lie witnessing all
of that. Yeah, bit hard for us medical folks, or
folks who are scared of the medical field should have
but scared, Yeah, nonetheless. And this is the worst injury
that Mahomes has suffered in his nine year NFL career,
So you really do got a feel for the guy.
He is a generational talent and alongside head coach Andy Reid,
(17:13):
Mahomes has been the leader of the Casey's dynastic run,
which saw them make five Super Bowl appearances, including three
Super Bowl wins in twenty twenty, twenty twenty three, twenty
twenty four. Since Mahomes became starting quarterback back in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
He's that good. He really is that good.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
And so now because of what happened over the weekend
and their loss, they will miss the playoffs for the
first time since twenty fourteen. They will miss the playoffs
for the first time in the Patrick Mahomes era. Acls
take a long time to heal, and you also generally
can't do surgery right away. Generally they like to wait
about four to six weeks because you have to like
(17:51):
let the swelling go down, You have to figure that out,
you have to talk about your approach, what have you.
At least that's what Tom Brady did. And I'm going
to bring up tom Brady because because when he toured,
I saw this on social media and I'm like pretty
certain that it's accurate, but I'm going to quote the
account just in case it's not accurate. I don't want
(18:11):
to get in trouble for this, but what I saw
today on social stuff from a verified account, but these
days people pay for their blue check marks, so you
don't know for sure. But it was from Jordan Schultz.
Tom Brady also suffered an ACL tear in his ninth season.
And what's wild stuff is that tom Brady's ACL tear
(18:33):
came the year after losing the Super Bowl with And
that's what just happened. Patrick Mahomes didn't just win the
Super Bowl, but he just played in the Super Bowl,
and both quarterbacks have won three Super Bowls prior to
their aclchair. So Tom Brady went down had already won
three Super Bowls. Patrick Mahomes goes down has already won
(18:55):
three Super Bowls. And from the photo it does look
like it was Tom's LEFTNI as well.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Really yeah, I think the difference is so much. I
am a witch.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I think the difference to Tom Brady toward his at
the beginning of the season.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
So the Patriots season was just like kind of.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Shit after that versus like Kansas City. I really wasn't sure.
We talked about this last week. They could have potentially
made a wild card run, but now they're out, and
I think the biggest thing that we kind of wanted
to talk about is like what does this mean for
Kansas City?
Speaker 1 (19:25):
And I think it.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Really depends on how he recovers from this ACL injury,
because sef this could take six months, this could take
a year. We don't know what he's going to be
like when he is coming back. Luckily, he is young,
so he should respond pretty well to whatever approach they
take to his surgery. But when Patrick Mahomes is your
(19:48):
QB one, you are creating your entire team around Patrick Mahomes.
Backup quarterback Cardner Micheu is coming in. You might remember
him Minshew Magic from a few years ago. He's fine enough,
but like, he is not going to be able to
lead Kansas City next year. So if Patty Mahomes is
out for a year's stufh like, does Kansas City think
(20:10):
that they could make the playoffs next year? Or do
they use this opportunity to potentially figure out a way
to rebuild with young stars around him so then when
he could come back and earnest the following season, or
if they miraculously make the playoffs, can they approach things
that way?
Speaker 1 (20:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Those are a lot of really good questions, And I
think what this is also doing is increasing the spotlight
on tight end Travis Kelcey, you know what I mean,
like because you just pose that question of what's the
team going to do? And he's thirty six years old
and based on his production this year, his best football
daves are probably behind him. And he did say weeks
ago that he will not be making a decision about
(20:51):
his career until March, and he did decline to speak
to reporters after the loss this Sunday. Him and Mahomes
are besties. They have one of the best quarterback to
tight end connections in NFL history. And Mahomes isn't playing.
He's injured. Yeah, next season, like Ellen said, it's gonna
take probably a year, right, Yeah, six months to a year.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Like he would be shocked if he came back in September,
But I would love to be shocked, Like I would
love to see Patrick's back pitch in September.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Maybe it will be more like in October. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
It would be amazing to see that happen. I would
love that to happen for him. But you just you
don't know with the knee because it's also he tours ACL.
But what else City tear in there? Like did he
also tears Mniska City tear his MCL Like you know
what I mean? Could they use his potella or his hamstring?
Like they're so mees are weird as we as we've
talked about on the podcast before, stuff like what really
scares me about knee is you look at someone like
(21:44):
Sam UIs, friend of the Gist, has come on the
pot a few times. Former US women's national team superstar,
and her career was cut short because of a knee
injury and subsequent knee surgeries that just did not go right.
Look at Kristin Press, another US Win's national team player
who went down initially with a tear. She had multiple
(22:06):
knee surgeries before she could actually make it back to
Angel CITYFC, and it completely changed the trajectory of the
back half of her career. And so that's why with
Micah Parsons, who will get to in a second here,
as well as Patrick Mahomes, it's like they're still young
enough where you want to make sure you get the
surgery right and you want to make sure you get
the recovery right. It's better to come back later than
(22:27):
to potentially come back too soon. That didn't happen with
us or with Kristin Press, Like they just honestly had
such bad luck and experiences with their knees.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
But you just never know. Knees are so complicated.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
For the lore, did you tear just your ICL or
you mentioned a couple other things there meniscus, I.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Tore my acl I partially tore my meniscus and my
plateeller was all abraded. So they couldn't use that, so
I did a hamstring repair and then also as part
of a study. I think I mentioned this on the
pot before, but I was part of a study because
I was like twenty five and undered determined, hyper flexible
figure skater, And they actually also redirected my IT band
(23:07):
as part of the study into my knee, so it
took longer recovery for me. But they found out through
the study that it is less of a likelihood for
people twenty five and a nunder who are perflexible to
retear if.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
They got that IT band surgery too.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I'm going to ask you that every single time, because
that information goes into a little black box in my
brain and then I curse it.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
But I think to your point, like Travis Kelsey should
I almost call him Travis Mahomes, he should retire anyway,
regardless of Mahomes, Like it's time. You're also about to
Mary Taylor Swift, like, go be mister Swift, Go do
your podcast, Go cheer your mom mom in Traders. I
can't wait to watch her in Traders, Like just go live.
I'm excited, Like as much as this sucks for Mahomes,
(23:50):
I am excited in one way or another for Kansas
City because I think that they need a reset and they.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Need a regroup.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
I'm avery happy that you were able to end that
particular part of the segment on high note that it's
really happy. It's really good work that you've done there.
So let's talk about the Green Bay Packers and their
defensive tackle Micah Parsons, who also tour his ACL this Sunday.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, and his was non contact, also left me what
is happening non contact too?
Speaker 1 (24:17):
You just you hear the pop and you go hmm,
and you feel it.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Like your leg goes one way and your nie says,
and why are we going that way? He was trying
to rush Broncos quarterback Bone Nicks when he suffered this injury.
The team and I were chatting today when we were
prepping for this podcast. We were like, does Denver play
on a turf field? Because ACL's it's a higher likelihood
that you're going to tear them on turf, which is
why so many soccer negotiations on the women's side are
(24:43):
about getting rid of the turf field.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
But no, this was on grass. Both of them are on.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Grass, and as I mentioned, Parsons was part of that
blockbuster trade to the Packers from the Cowboys, and.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
He's been so good this year's stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
He has twelve and a half sacks on the season
heading into Sunday's game, and he is the NFL player
to ever record at least a dozen sacks in a season.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Oh my gosh, this guy's name needs to be a
bit bigger.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, no, exactly, And so I think the biggest thing
though here stuff is like we're talking long term kind
of stuff with the Patrick Mahomes of it all, but
the Micah Parsons of it all. Green Bay is like
very much in the playoff hunt, and without Micah Parsons.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
That really impacts things.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
And so I think that we should very much be
watching the NFC and the NFC North, which is the
division that the green Bay Packers play in, over these
next few weeks before the season ends at the beginning
of January, because that's a really tough conference, that's a
really tough division, and the NFC North and you need
to have good defense. And so I'm just wondering who
(25:50):
they have to actually step up into Micah Parsons role
and can they actually close that gap enough, like they're
never gonna be Michael Parsons. But you need someone who's
at least gonna be like eighty percent of him, and
I don't know if that's possible.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
The Packers' next game is on Saturday versus their NFC
North rival, the Chicago Bears. And win over the Bears,
we'll put the Packers back on top of the division
and give them the tiebreaker over the Bears.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
So that is some important context too. Who knows.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
It's time for our personal training sess. This is the
last son of the podcast. This is the segment where
we would love to have you involved. We would love
you could submit any sort of questions that you have
that you would love us answered about anything in the
sports world, or share anything that you would like us
to spotlight or to discuss, or really banter about a
hot take that you might have.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
This is what this is your segment.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Here, Banta, Banta, some Banta, some chat.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
In today's Personal Training Sess, we hear from China who
shared that there is a new docuseriies on the growth
of women's sports called The Rise, which pre on Peacock yesterday.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Thank you so much for sending this my way because
I had no idea so shout Out. It's a five
part docuseries that followed the growth of women's sports across
league since twenty twenty four. So the five separate films
like these are separate films or will be separate films,
are on different subjects the WNBA, the PWHL, the X Games,
the women of NASCAR, and quote unquote the overnight success
(27:24):
of women's sports that is anything about an overnight success.
So this is such an exciting five part docu series
with a lot of really impressive people involved in each
one of these documentaries. The first two films, WNBA twenty
twenty four, The Year that Changed Everything and The New
Moneyball are available to stream now. They came out I believe,
(27:46):
on the summer fifteen so yesterday, and the three other
films will premiere in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
What I love about this too, Steph, is that these
are being produced by Hello Sunshine, which is Reese Sorry Ree,
So we withd Reese, with Foon's company, as well as
ally the bank that we know as a major supporter
of women's sports, and we know that Reese and the
type of stuff that Hello Sunshine has been doing has
(28:11):
really been focused on women's forward storytelling that oftentimes is
just not told and is not brought into the spotlight,
and so this is really cool. I'm really curious and
maybe we could get someone from Hello Sunshine on the
pod or chatting with people from the Just Plus. But
I'm really curious stuff why they chose these four subjects
with the WNBA, the PWHL X games, and NASCAR, especially
(28:36):
when there's been so much change in other sports too.
I am just so curious of that. And I also
need to watch this because of our She's Not Next,
She's Now series. I feel like there's some nice parallels here.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Isn't it so nice when like you can just kind
of see the zeitgeist and culturally what's happening, Because that's
also what I thought of, was that She's Not Next,
She's Now seens that you guys are producing, because it's
just it's like really amplifies and shows you.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Like what is in all of our cultural conscience, you
know what I mean. I think it's really exciting.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I'm personally so excited for the PWHL What a very.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
And becoming an American lens on that too, exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
It documents eight hockey players in the first year, so
they there's like mainly Americans, but there's a couple Canadians
in there. So that follows the inaugural season at the PWHL.
So I'm really excited for.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
That one to drop.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
And this is a type of content that women's sports
deserve that we just haven't had in such a long time.
So I'm really looking forward to this. Thank you so
much China for dming. We really really appreciate it. And
if you'd like to be featured on a future episode,
please reach out. We don't bite, we love to chat
with you, we love to talk with you, we love
to banter. As Steff said, you can call us and
(29:48):
leave us a voicemail with your beautiful voice at one
four three seven five six four five five seven nine.
You can also click on that number in the show
notes and it will just directly take you there. You
can email us pod at theis sports dot com or
message Steph and I on Instagram. Steph is at Sephanie
Rots and I am at Ellen at the Gist and
(30:08):
we'd love to bring bring your conversation over to the
podcast community.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah, and we're coming to the end of twenty twenty five,
so if there's anything in terms of like end of
year or look back in like year in review, or
anything else that you want to share with maybe like.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Your favorite moments.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Put them in now, because we're running out of time
and we can kind of do a look back if
you will, so I would encourage those as well.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
That's such a great idea. We should bring that to
the Just Plus and the Discord. Yeah, I love that.
That marks THEANA Today's episode. Thank you so much for
tuning in. We will be back in your feed with
a new podcast on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
In the meantime, you know the drill.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
If you enjoy this episode, please rate, review, subscribe, share.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
This episode was edited by Savannah Halt and produced by
Lisa Minnutillo, Alessandra Puccio, and Lauren Tuscala. Again, I'm Steph Rotts.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
And I'm Ellen Hislob, and we will chat with you.
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