February 18, 2025 • 29 mins
Discover the captivating journey of Artem Chigvintsev, a Dancing with the Stars champion and Emmy-nominated performer, as he shares his remarkable story from Izhevsk, Russia to the bright lights of American television. Listen to Artem reveal the unexpected twists and turns that brought him to the U.S., launching him into a career filled with both triumphs and trials. He discusses the fascinating blend of teaching, choreography, and the relationship-building that fuels his success, and how personal experiences like public divorce and fatherhood have reshaped his outlook on life and empathy.
Join us as we explore personal transformation through life's challenges, from navigating the complexities of divorce and co-parenting to understanding the emotional toll of public perception and false accusations. Artem opens up about the bittersweet path to closure after a long relationship, highlighting the often overlooked emotional impacts on men. We tackle misconceptions about marriage, discuss the rewards of having a large family, and consider how venturing into new endeavors can offer unexpected personal growth and fulfillment. This conversation promises to leave you with a deeper understanding of resilience and the power of transformation in the face of adversity.
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Ilona (00:01):
Welcome to the Glamorous Grind where grit meets glamour.
I'm Ilona Antonian.
Mila (00:06):
And I'm Mila Aratunian.
Ilona (00:08):
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Mila (00:22):
So whether you're a legal eagle chasing your dreams or
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Ilona (00:29):
Because we are bringing you wisdom, wit and a whole lot
of interesting stuff.
Mila (00:34):
It's law, it's life, it's the Glamorous Grind.
Ilona (00:53):
Today's episode is extra special because it's part one of
a very exciting two-partinterview with an absolute
superstar on and off the dancefloor.
Mila (00:57):
He's a Dancing with the Stars champion, an
Emmy-nominated performer andsomeone who knows a thing or two
about glitz and glamour,especially while grinding
towards your dreams.
That's right, it's ArtemChigvintsev.
We met up with him at his hometurf and talked about everything
from navigating the dance floorto navigating the complexities
(01:20):
of life offstage.
Ilona (01:22):
We discussed his dance career, what it was like growing
up in former Soviet Union,family life, fatherhood and
going through a divorce in thepublic eye.
Mila (01:32):
After, keeping everything low-key for a while.
Artem is ready to tell his fanshow he's doing.
Ilona (01:39):
Divorce is never simple.
It's complicated, no matter howlong you've been married, and
it takes a toll.
It changes who you are and youhave to often rediscover who you
are.
Mila (01:48):
We had an incredible conversation and are so excited
to share his story with you.
Ilona (01:53):
Artem, thank you for coming to our show.
Artem (01:56):
First of all, thank you for inviting me.
Ilona (01:58):
Tell us about how you came to America.
Artem (02:00):
It's all because of my dancing career, to be fair,
because I came here for afriend's wedding.
At the time I was looking for adance partner and the dance
world is kind of actually small.
People think it's like thisginormous place.
But at the time you kind ofknow who is the top 25 dancers
out there in the world andyou're looking for the best
(02:23):
match.
And then I found a dancepartner.
It worked out.
Ilona (02:27):
So that's my story.
Artem (02:30):
I come from a small town called Izhevsk.
It's in Ural.
It's a small town for Russia,but it's not actually that small
if you consider how many peoplelive there.
Ilona (02:41):
Did you ever think when you were a kid, or dream about
being a celebrity dancer?
Artem (02:47):
Being even on TV, was never even thought.
My dance partner at the timewanted to audition for so you
Think you Can Dance.
She got this email sayingproducers of American Idol
creating a new show on Foxcalled so you Think you Can
Dance, and we're looking fordifferent styles of dances,
different genres of dances.
(03:08):
She told me like hey, do youwant to audition with me?
And I said where is it going tobe?
And she's like, oh, it's goingto be in Los Angeles.
I'm like, oh, I've never beento LA, I'm going to go out.
And then pretty much she didn'tmake the show, but they offered
me to go on the show and that'show I ended up on TV.
Ilona (03:27):
What was your reaction when you learned that you're
going to be on televisiondancing?
Artem (03:38):
I think because I was always a competitive dancer.
For me it meant more to be likethe best at my craft versus
like, oh, I got on TV and I canuse this opportunity to gain
something from it.
You know, it never really cameacross in my mind.
What I was excited actuallyabout is to, for the first time,
being exposed not just toballroom dancing but to be
exposed to all different genresof dancing which I was not great
(03:59):
at.
It was like a breaking pointwhere I truly started
appreciating the craft of beingon Dancing with the Stars.
We have to teach someone.
It's a kind of unique skill tohave because it's not just about
being a good dancer, it's notjust about being a good
choreographer, it's not justabout being a teacher trying to
get along with somebody in theroom who you go through laughter
(04:22):
, tears and struggles.
So it's like if you'recombining all of these aspects
to one bowl, like that's whatkind of gives you to be in a
position being a dancer anddancing with the stars.
It's not just a one skill, youhave to accumulate all of them.
Ilona (04:35):
Do you think you could teach children and choreograph
them, or do you prefer to dealmore with grownups?
Artem (04:40):
I used to teach kids.
I used to have competitivecouples back in the day when I
was competing myself.
I probably would have done waybetter job teaching kids than
when I used to back in the day,because when you're teaching
kids when you're young, you'remore perfect for them.
I think now I would take adifferent approach.
Even though I love teachingadults, I think it's better just
(05:10):
because it's easy tocommunicate With kids.
You have to be very, verycareful because they take any
criticism to a certain way thatcan affect their life completely
.
People don't get enough praiselike teachers who educate kids,
(05:31):
like how important they are inshaping anyone's life.
Mila (05:35):
Hearing you speak, it sounds like something that's
coming from a parent, would yousay.
Becoming a dad has shifted yourperspective on how to teach
kids and how kids feel andempathize with them I mean
definitely having a kid.
Artem (05:52):
Um, it teaches you a lot of things.
I think having a kid mainlyteaches who you are than
anything else, because thenyou're like realizing a lot of
things about yourself that oh, Inever thought of that.
Yeah, being a dad is veryspecial it's a huge
responsibility very special,huge responsibility it's.
It's the hardest thing you'llever do absolutely it's the
(06:14):
hardest thing you'll ever do,but I love it what do you love
about being father?
everything, I mean everything Iit's.
It's not so much about being afather, it's being being a
parent Like from his four.
Ilona (06:27):
He's super cute.
Artem (06:28):
I think right now it's a bit more like being a parent,
like experiencing being a parent.
I took him fishing a few times.
I don't think he's on stageeven like kind of he loves it.
He definitely is excited aboutit.
But my bond with my dad wasover that because he loves
fishing and I feel like wheneverI went on a trip with him that
(06:49):
was my bonding time, you know,and I get to know my dad and I
kind of like we share theexperience together.
I don't think I have that yetwith my son, just because he's
just too young.
Ilona (07:00):
I mean you currently have 50-50 custody of Mateo.
What is your normal dailyroutine like being a single dad?
Artem (07:08):
What is normally Wake up, cook him breakfast, get him
dressed to school, pack himlunch, cook him lunch, drive him
to school, pick him up fromschool, talk about his day.
Let's go to playground.
He loves hot air balloons.
Like he's just obsessed withhot air balloons.
Like he's just obsessed withhot air balloons.
Luckily enough, from where Ilive, we can see hot air
(07:29):
balloons go up in the air prettymuch like three days of the
week.
Ilona (07:32):
And your mom recently came to United States, right?
Artem (07:36):
Yes, that was a kind of long process, so they kind of
wanted to visit for a while andthen obviously they can, because
they have a Russian citizenshipand Russians are not allowed to
United States without a visa.
Mila (07:47):
So does Mateo love having his grandma here.
Artem (07:50):
Look, my mom is so helpful with everything that's
happening and he loves it.
They constantly play hide andseek, like he loves that game
and he always wants to be ingrandma's bed.
I don't know what's about it,but he's just obsessed with like
laying there and just playinggames and he loves it, yeah.
Mila (08:10):
You know, in the Eastern European culture grandparents
help, so so much.
My grandma basically raised mewhile my mom worked, and I think
it's so important for kids tosee.
Artem (08:23):
It's definitely, I think, something that people might not
understand.
My grandma played a hugeinfluence as well in my life and
I feel like the wisdom oftheirs is so important and you
might not understand when you'reyounger, but when you, you know
, becoming an adult yourself anda parent yourself, you really
understand what that means andI'm just pleased that actually
(08:47):
my son can experience that Iknow you like to cook for mateo,
but um does your mom make a lotof soups, like you know.
Russian mom actually she'spretty much a chef.
She's only, she's in thekitchen all day long, which is
I'm telling her, like mom, youdon't have to do any of that
stuff like I can figure it out.
I mean, I've been doing thatfor a long time, mind you, so I
(09:09):
haven't lived with my parentslonger than I lived with them.
Ilona (09:13):
Wow, how old were you when you left your parental home
?
When I left.
Artem (09:16):
I was probably about 15.
Ilona (09:18):
Oh, wow.
Artem (09:19):
But my mom is, and she's, you know, 70.
So coming to United States, itis a bit of a shock because
everything is different, youknow, the food is different,
people are different.
She's still kind of amazed thefact that when she goes for
walks, like people say hi to herin a way, when she passes them
and the first, like they don'tknow me, like why would they say
(09:41):
hi?
Mila (09:46):
Because in truth, I think in every other country in the
world that I've experiencedliving, in like that's not very
normal and that goes back tolike the eastern european
culture, like we're so honestand so real and a lot of people
in america don't understand it,because the culture here is
always be nice, no matter what,always have a smile on and I
don't.
Artem (10:01):
Obviously there's no right and wrong.
I mean how you grow up, andthat's how you grew up, and
that's what you think is normal,right?
I?
Mila (10:06):
think, as a parent, that's like one of the greatest
challenges is letting your kidsbe who they are, pursue their
passion.
I mean, I have three kids andmy oldest is eight and he always
has these new, differentpassions and I want to let him
pursue them and encourage them,but I'm also also like you kind
of need to focus on youreducation, and you still have to
(10:27):
be a parent you know like it's.
Artem (10:29):
It's a fine line where you do I need to let them, or do
I need to steer them in adifferent direction or explain?
It might be not the best youknow, and this is the thing with
parenting, like it's now blackand white do you want to have
more kids in the future?
I mean mean I'd love to have onemore.
My parents happily married for50 years.
They had the golden wedding andall that stuff and they played
(10:53):
huge influence in my life.
What family is how it should be, and I don't know.
It's tough to watch and to seemyself being what I am because
everything in my body saysotherwise.
Ilona (11:11):
Moving on to that subject , I guess when you got married
you thought it's forever.
But I'm a divorce attorney andeverybody has those intentions.
And then things go wrong inlife and at the end, when you go
through a divorce, often you'redivorcing not the person you
fell in love with, but someonedifferent.
And at the end, when you gothrough divorce, often you're
divorcing not the person youfell in love with, but someone
different.
And in your situation I knowbecause you're very committed,
(11:33):
just from what you've shared inyour court records and in
general.
You stuck through a lot becauseyou wanted to save the marriage
and you wanted to raise yourson.
I think you look way morebalanced and have more life in
your eyes now than you did awhile back last year.
(11:56):
I can see it.
Artem (11:58):
You feel very balanced I mean I think divorce was just
one of the things that I wasfacing at the time.
I mean there was a criminalcharge.
I was cut off from every singleoutlet of support, except for
maybe my parents.
Like I was cut off from everyangle.
Like sometimes people gothrough divorce but they have
(12:18):
their job, they have their likeyou know close ones and have
their friends.
Like there is a still certainsupport.
You know close ones and havetheir friends.
Like there is still certainsupport.
Like I didn't have a familysupport because that was cut off
.
My work was cut off and then ontop of it there was a criminal
case.
Ilona (12:36):
Well, I think it's different when you have a child
and you're sharing a childbecause you have to deal with
each other.
You're always going to be afamily, no matter what.
You always have to make sureyour son knows he's loved by
both parents.
Keep any conflict, any negativecomments.
Never put your child in themiddle of that, because you know
he's part of both parents, heloves everybody and you know the
(12:59):
child has to be protected fromall of that.
Artem (13:01):
I think everyone knows what is best.
Everyone wants to put you knowlike their best foot forward and
, just you know, make the bestfor the kid and all of that.
But again, it's easier saidthan done, you know.
I think it depends what beliefsyou have.
Mila (13:17):
What are your beliefs?
What are your values?
Artem (13:20):
Well, my value is being a united family period Like that,
it will never change change.
I don't ever believe that kidis not going to be affected by
by what happened and people say,like he's four years old, it's
fine, it's like you know.
He doesn't know any different.
Mila (13:38):
No, I've been married 12 years and we've had our share of
ups and downs and we still doLike every level has another
devil.
Artem (13:47):
Every year it's something new, you know you know and I
think there is a little say tothat that I'm a big believer as
well is that, like when you meetanother person and you start
having a family together, yourrelationship is, evolves.
It's not the same, and that'sthe one thing that I'm like.
How come people don'tunderstand that when you start
(14:10):
dating someone, you have adifferent, not even just values,
but you have a different energyabout a different everything.
You put your source of energyjust in one outlet.
Then you end up like marrying.
It's like you have differentstages and every single stage is
not the same and should not becompared to the previous stage
(14:31):
very right and that's the partthat I feel like there's such a
big misunderstanding and a lotof people giving up on their
relationships is because they'relike, well, you used to do this
or you used to do that, like.
Mila (14:46):
I just don't really understand that, that that's an
argument well, and then you havekids and then you have a
household, and then likemarriage is not happy days and
sunshine and butterflies.
Artem (14:58):
Marriage is like I think marriage is the hardest work
you'll do it's so hard, peoplethink you come home and they're
just like ah, now I can relaxand be fine.
Now, if you have a kid, youcannot give as much just to one
person because you have to sharewith a whole nother human.
Mila (15:14):
And not only that.
You have to wake up in themiddle of the night, you have to
not sleep because your baby hasa stuffy nose, you have to deal
with issues with teacherscalling from school because your
child is misbehaving, and youshare in all of that together.
So if you don't, if you can'tshare it in an effective way, it
will collapse.
Ilona (15:35):
But now there's conflict in any family.
Like you know, like I, havefive kids, four of them are one
years old.
Artem (15:40):
I mean five is crazy.
I'm not even going to say muchbecause I just feel it wouldn't
give a shit, even guilty, to bespeaking about.
It's hard for me.
I just don't understand howit's even doable.
Ilona (15:52):
Five it's actually easier , I thought.
Artem (15:54):
Absolutely.
That's a lie.
It's not a lie, it's easier.
Ilona (15:57):
No, I thought how is that ?
Easier One was harder when Ijust had my five One-year-old?
No, she's five now, but was itharder because it was the first?
Yes, but now it's easierbecause mine are all the same
age.
They're going to be going tothe same school, same activities
.
Mila (16:11):
I will say having like three kids in different stages.
I will say it gets harder whenthey're older because they all
want your attention and they'reall so different and they all
have their personalities and itis more difficult to like give
enough to each of them.
But I will say, when you havemore than one, they entertain
each other, they grow up andlike they're also different.
(16:34):
So like one is sensitive andyou have to like be empathetic
to that, the other one is likereally aggressive.
So that part for me is thehardest of like.
Am I spending enough time withall of them?
Am I empathetic enough to theirown little personalities?
Artem (16:46):
Do you love them all the?
Mila (16:47):
same yes.
Artem (16:49):
Because, you see, to me I think that would be really
tough, because I know how much Ilove my son, which is like it
like makes me tear up whensaying that I just would have a
really hard time.
Mila (16:59):
My favorite part, though, about having multiple kids is
seeing their love, seeing theirrelationship, and seeing how
they treat each other, and to meit's just like the best part of
having multiple yeah.
Ilona (17:09):
Now, after what you went through last year, you went into
construction, yeah, still do.
And you know, I've seen yourprojects, do-it-yourself
projects.
You've been doing it for awhile.
How's that going?
Artem (17:24):
It's going great.
It pushes me into the differentareas of life that I actually
always wanted to do but neverreally had, like the kind of
like a push.
I love construction always have, maybe because my dad's an
engineer and he in construction,I don't know, but it was always
curious for me, like buildsomething, you know, do it with
your own hands.
I would love to pursue thismore.
(17:46):
I think I've really learned alot about myself in the past few
months.
It gives me more confidence todo what I do and it makes me
feel more confident about thefuture with, like, maybe this is
what I really want to pursuenext.
Mila (18:00):
Here's my thought from and I don't know you very well we
just met today but fromeverything I've seen and heard
and from speaking to you, youseem like a very passionate
person.
It seems like when you lovesomething, you will put
everything into it.
Artem (18:16):
Yeah.
Mila (18:17):
And then you will become amazing at it, and there's
nothing you can't accomplish ifyou learn to love it.
Artem (18:24):
If it comes from the right place.
I believe so.
Yes, If there's a passion aboutit, if there's an interest to
it, and I feel that's somethingthat I haven't learned or that's
something that I wasn't exposedto growing up, and it's sad
that it's kind of like Irealized that to the fullest at
this stage of my life.
I have to be also grateful thatI have because be also grateful
(18:46):
that I have because it's greatthat I have You're so young
still.
Mila (18:48):
You have everything ahead of you.
Artem (18:50):
Yeah, it's tough to believe at the moment, you know,
I kind of like still gaspcertain thoughts in my mind,
like did I live my best lifealready, you know?
And now I'm just trying to makethe most of what it's here, and
(19:11):
I think that's that's thestruggle I think I'm going
through right now is to likekind of like where, where, like
where actually I'm at there's notime like the present and again
this is not the belief.
Live in the present, make themost of it, and I think it's
beautiful too.
Ilona (19:29):
When you're married, you have your joint identity.
You have certain lifestyle.
You develop and now, beingfresh out of a divorce, you have
to find out who you are, what'syour identity, what's coming
being a single dad and trying towork through co-parenting while
everything is still fresh?
Meanwhile, we're also still,you know, faced with the
(19:52):
consequences of the mugshot thatwas on the internet back in
August.
How did that impact you whenthat mugshot went viral before
there was a legal determinationof who was truly at fault?
Artem (20:07):
Maybe because I've been on TV.
It's like you being judged bythe media before anything.
I think with the mugshot, thefirst time it really hit me
First of all, I mean it hit mejust even being in the police
station being arrested.
You're watching this on TV,like in TV shows when people are
getting arrested and all thatstuff, but experiencing yourself
(20:27):
it's um, you're just in a hugedenial.
It's like, is this reallyhappening, like what is
happening?
But going back to the mugshot,I remember being in Target and I
was buying, I think, um, somestuff, probably for Matteo Cause
that's most of the time I goTarget for buying stuff for
Mateo and seeing I think it wasa Star magazine or something and
(20:48):
that was on the cover mymugshot was on the cover of Star
magazine and you can helpyourself.
But when people seeing thatmugshot on that thing and then
watching it you like for them intheir mind, you are immediately
guilty.
Ilona (21:06):
You're a criminal in their mind.
Artem (21:07):
There is nothing you can say or try to justify yourself
and change their minds.
When person have a mugshot,you're guilty immediately.
There is not even a question oflike what happened, like it's
weird because in this country Ithought you're guilty.
When you've proven that you'reguilty, or you're innocent until
(21:28):
proven guilty.
Exactly that was not the casewhatsoever.
Everything happened.
There was a paparazzi outsideof when I was coming out of the
jail, when I was there for a fewhours, like there was already
paparazzi standing outsidetaking shot.
I was like how?
Like what is going on?
Mila (21:45):
I will say that what I've noticed is there's a lot of
emphasis put on the trauma thatwomen face when it comes to
divorce, but there's not a lotof emphasis put and it's highly
undervalued the trauma that menface.
And it happens so often thatmen are accused of things and
it's traumatic.
Artem (22:05):
I think we have this certain stigma to have this, I
don't know, just like immediateaccusation, immediate.
It's like when people say don'tjudge book by its cover, but we
always do.
It sucks.
I mean, I definitely wish thatwas not the case, and going
through myself like it's, youjust feel bad.
Ilona (22:31):
It's kind of like an out-of-body experience for you
because you never pictured iteverything.
Artem (22:33):
For me it completely, ruined everything for me From
every angle.
It ruined my life completelyand the worst part about all of
this, because DA dropped thecase, clearly stating that there
was nothing that they couldpossibly have charged me on.
Ilona (22:58):
I think I want to clarify that.
Artem (22:59):
In know, in a criminal case they must have sufficient
evidence to prove beyondreasonable doubt that you know
there was any domestic violenceperpetrated by you, which, and
also and also one another thingto add on to it from my
understanding as well, likeother party, did not have to
(23:20):
press charges against youbecause I think in California
law that the state take uponthemselves to get that case.
Ilona (23:29):
Well, you were told when you, at the time of the arrest
right, that one of you must bearrested.
Artem (23:34):
One of you must be arrested.
Ilona (23:35):
Yes, and then eventually, I mean family court has a
different standard.
You know, the standard infamily court is what's more
likely than not.
It's like preponderance ofevidence.
Is it more likely or not thatyou've done something wrong to
deserve restraining orderagainst you or did she do
something wrong to deserverestraining order against her?
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And you know you've submittedsufficient evidence explaining
what actually happened and youobtained evidence in your
divorce and restraining orderproceeding to support what you
were claiming to be the truth inyour case.
And you know, ultimately infamily court you both obtained
(24:22):
restraining orders against eachother and eventually, in
November, everything was settledand you both just let it go.
Why did you decide to just notgo through the trial and present
everything, but instead, youknow, get it done.
Why is that important for you?
Because I want it to be over.
You know, get it done.
Why is that?
Artem (24:39):
important for you Because I want it to be over.
I felt, for me personally, likeI needed to go back to live my
life, you know, and just Ineeded to move on emotionally,
financially.
Ilona (25:01):
And I just want my life to be normal again.
Did that, you know?
Signing the final resolution ofthe case in November, do you
feel like that helped you moveon to the next healing stage?
Artem (25:13):
You know the Zook closure is something that's been going
on for seven years.
You know it's a seven years ofrelationship Like it's not just
like people keep forgettingsomething that I didn't stop
loving person that day and Ijust moved on.
You know, like it's, it wasn'tmy decision to get divorced, so
(25:34):
I was, till the last moment, waslike maybe we should do therapy
, maybe we need to try to figuresomething out.
My ideal scenario is likekeeping the family together,
united.
It was a huge closure of sevenyears.
I will never forget this momentwhen mateo loved three of us
being together.
I mean, he's he's like you cansee that his excitement when
(25:57):
it's like whether I was holdingmaterial, my wife was holding
material and he's like want usto kiss in front of him.
Like he's so, like it makes himso happy and even having
thought of that, like this, thisis never gonna be that ever
again.
Like this is like you need toput, like you need to move on.
And I think that closure was ahuge like, because I remember
(26:19):
like flying from the airport andI was like, wow, this is just
like.
It was sad, but it also likewas, I guess, relief because it
was done.
That is going to be no more,because I mean it was dramatic.
Like this whole thing was maybedramatic, not the right word
but it was like it was draining.
I mean it was relief from maybe, like a legal point of view,
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legal stance and I'd finally beable to have Mateo, like there
was a closure in seven years ofmy life, everyday life.
Mila (26:52):
I can imagine how difficult it must have been with
getting a restraining orderagainst someone you spent seven
years with and had a baby withand raised a baby with.
Artem (27:02):
Not seeing Mateo for three and a half weeks, not even
seeing him, not talking to him,because I were not allowed.
Mila (27:09):
That's heartbreaking.
Artem (27:09):
When you don't see your son because it's your choice.
It's a one thing when you don'tsee your son because it's
someone else's choice and youactually legally cannot do it.
That's where it gets.
Like I'm helpless over here,like I want to see my son, and
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rightly so.
I want to see my son there.
Absolutely should not have beena reason for not to see my son,
for not to see my son, exceptfor legally.
Ilona (27:39):
In California anyone can go file a restraining order over
the counter without givingnotice to the other side.
In other counties, like Napa,you do have to give notice, but
in your case you didn't getnotice because a special request
was made to not give notice.
So you had no idea that yourrights to see your son were
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being taken away until you'dhave your day in court weeks
later, and then at that point wewere able to get you 50%
custody.
Artem (28:09):
And also not mentioning that.
And that was done when Ialready had visitations with
Mateo.
So it's like I'm seeing Mateoand all of a sudden one day it's
like, oh no, you can't see himanymore.
That was tough.
Ilona (28:24):
Was that one of your worst experiences in your?
Artem (28:26):
lifetime Hands down, hands down, just simply because
I couldn't do anything about it.
It's like you've just been putin front of the situation where
this is it.
Mila (28:36):
That brings us to the end of another episode of the
Glamorous Grind.
Ilona (28:41):
Don't miss part two, and don't forget to subscribe, leave
us a review and follow us onsocial media.
We hope you enjoyed hearingfrom Artyom.
His story is truly one ofresilience, reinvention and
staying graceful even throughlife's unexpected turns.
Mila (28:56):
Absolutely.
We loved hearing about hisjourney and we cannot wait to
share part two with you nextweek.
And, as always, stay bold, stayglamorous and keep grinding.
See you soon on the GlamorousGrind.
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I'm Ilona Antonian.
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Because we are bringing you wisdom, wit and a whole lot
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It's law, it's life, it's the Glamorous Grind.
Ilona (00:53):
Today's episode is extra special because it's part one of
a very exciting two-partinterview with an absolute
superstar on and off the dancefloor.
Mila (00:57):
He's a Dancing with the Stars champion, an
Emmy-nominated performer andsomeone who knows a thing or two
about glitz and glamour,especially while grinding
towards your dreams.
That's right, it's ArtemChigvintsev.
We met up with him at his hometurf and talked about everything
from navigating the dance floorto navigating the complexities
(01:20):
of life offstage.
Ilona (01:22):
We discussed his dance career, what it was like growing
up in former Soviet Union,family life, fatherhood and
going through a divorce in thepublic eye.
Mila (01:32):
After, keeping everything low-key for a while.
Artem is ready to tell his fanshow he's doing.
Ilona (01:39):
Divorce is never simple.
It's complicated, no matter howlong you've been married, and
it takes a toll.
It changes who you are and youhave to often rediscover who you
are.
Mila (01:48):
We had an incredible conversation and are so excited
to share his story with you.
Ilona (01:53):
Artem, thank you for coming to our show.
Artem (01:56):
First of all, thank you for inviting me.
Ilona (01:58):
Tell us about how you came to America.
Artem (02:00):
It's all because of my dancing career, to be fair,
because I came here for afriend's wedding.
At the time I was looking for adance partner and the dance
world is kind of actually small.
People think it's like thisginormous place.
But at the time you kind ofknow who is the top 25 dancers
out there in the world andyou're looking for the best
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match.
And then I found a dancepartner.
It worked out.
Ilona (02:27):
So that's my story.
Artem (02:30):
I come from a small town called Izhevsk.
It's in Ural.
It's a small town for Russia,but it's not actually that small
if you consider how many peoplelive there.
Ilona (02:41):
Did you ever think when you were a kid, or dream about
being a celebrity dancer?
Artem (02:47):
Being even on TV, was never even thought.
My dance partner at the timewanted to audition for so you
Think you Can Dance.
She got this email sayingproducers of American Idol
creating a new show on Foxcalled so you Think you Can
Dance, and we're looking fordifferent styles of dances,
different genres of dances.
(03:08):
She told me like hey, do youwant to audition with me?
And I said where is it going tobe?
And she's like, oh, it's goingto be in Los Angeles.
I'm like, oh, I've never beento LA, I'm going to go out.
And then pretty much she didn'tmake the show, but they offered
me to go on the show and that'show I ended up on TV.
Ilona (03:27):
What was your reaction when you learned that you're
going to be on televisiondancing?
Artem (03:38):
I think because I was always a competitive dancer.
For me it meant more to be likethe best at my craft versus
like, oh, I got on TV and I canuse this opportunity to gain
something from it.
You know, it never really cameacross in my mind.
What I was excited actuallyabout is to, for the first time,
being exposed not just toballroom dancing but to be
exposed to all different genresof dancing which I was not great
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at.
It was like a breaking pointwhere I truly started
appreciating the craft of beingon Dancing with the Stars.
We have to teach someone.
It's a kind of unique skill tohave because it's not just about
being a good dancer, it's notjust about being a good
choreographer, it's not justabout being a teacher trying to
get along with somebody in theroom who you go through laughter
(04:22):
, tears and struggles.
So it's like if you'recombining all of these aspects
to one bowl, like that's whatkind of gives you to be in a
position being a dancer anddancing with the stars.
It's not just a one skill, youhave to accumulate all of them.
Ilona (04:35):
Do you think you could teach children and choreograph
them, or do you prefer to dealmore with grownups?
Artem (04:40):
I used to teach kids.
I used to have competitivecouples back in the day when I
was competing myself.
I probably would have done waybetter job teaching kids than
when I used to back in the day,because when you're teaching
kids when you're young, you'remore perfect for them.
I think now I would take adifferent approach.
Even though I love teachingadults, I think it's better just
(05:10):
because it's easy tocommunicate With kids.
You have to be very, verycareful because they take any
criticism to a certain way thatcan affect their life completely
.
People don't get enough praiselike teachers who educate kids,
(05:31):
like how important they are inshaping anyone's life.
Mila (05:35):
Hearing you speak, it sounds like something that's
coming from a parent, would yousay.
Becoming a dad has shifted yourperspective on how to teach
kids and how kids feel andempathize with them I mean
definitely having a kid.
Artem (05:52):
Um, it teaches you a lot of things.
I think having a kid mainlyteaches who you are than
anything else, because thenyou're like realizing a lot of
things about yourself that oh, Inever thought of that.
Yeah, being a dad is veryspecial it's a huge
responsibility very special,huge responsibility it's.
It's the hardest thing you'llever do absolutely it's the
(06:14):
hardest thing you'll ever do,but I love it what do you love
about being father?
everything, I mean everything Iit's.
It's not so much about being afather, it's being being a
parent Like from his four.
Ilona (06:27):
He's super cute.
Artem (06:28):
I think right now it's a bit more like being a parent,
like experiencing being a parent.
I took him fishing a few times.
I don't think he's on stageeven like kind of he loves it.
He definitely is excited aboutit.
But my bond with my dad wasover that because he loves
fishing and I feel like wheneverI went on a trip with him that
(06:49):
was my bonding time, you know,and I get to know my dad and I
kind of like we share theexperience together.
I don't think I have that yetwith my son, just because he's
just too young.
Ilona (07:00):
I mean you currently have 50-50 custody of Mateo.
What is your normal dailyroutine like being a single dad?
Artem (07:08):
What is normally Wake up, cook him breakfast, get him
dressed to school, pack himlunch, cook him lunch, drive him
to school, pick him up fromschool, talk about his day.
Let's go to playground.
He loves hot air balloons.
Like he's just obsessed withhot air balloons.
Like he's just obsessed withhot air balloons.
Luckily enough, from where Ilive, we can see hot air
(07:29):
balloons go up in the air prettymuch like three days of the
week.
Ilona (07:32):
And your mom recently came to United States, right?
Artem (07:36):
Yes, that was a kind of long process, so they kind of
wanted to visit for a while andthen obviously they can, because
they have a Russian citizenshipand Russians are not allowed to
United States without a visa.
Mila (07:47):
So does Mateo love having his grandma here.
Artem (07:50):
Look, my mom is so helpful with everything that's
happening and he loves it.
They constantly play hide andseek, like he loves that game
and he always wants to be ingrandma's bed.
I don't know what's about it,but he's just obsessed with like
laying there and just playinggames and he loves it, yeah.
Mila (08:10):
You know, in the Eastern European culture grandparents
help, so so much.
My grandma basically raised mewhile my mom worked, and I think
it's so important for kids tosee.
Artem (08:23):
It's definitely, I think, something that people might not
understand.
My grandma played a hugeinfluence as well in my life and
I feel like the wisdom oftheirs is so important and you
might not understand when you'reyounger, but when you, you know
, becoming an adult yourself anda parent yourself, you really
understand what that means andI'm just pleased that actually
(08:47):
my son can experience that Iknow you like to cook for mateo,
but um does your mom make a lotof soups, like you know.
Russian mom actually she'spretty much a chef.
She's only, she's in thekitchen all day long, which is
I'm telling her, like mom, youdon't have to do any of that
stuff like I can figure it out.
I mean, I've been doing thatfor a long time, mind you, so I
(09:09):
haven't lived with my parentslonger than I lived with them.
Ilona (09:13):
Wow, how old were you when you left your parental home
?
When I left.
Artem (09:16):
I was probably about 15.
Ilona (09:18):
Oh, wow.
Artem (09:19):
But my mom is, and she's, you know, 70.
So coming to United States, itis a bit of a shock because
everything is different, youknow, the food is different,
people are different.
She's still kind of amazed thefact that when she goes for
walks, like people say hi to herin a way, when she passes them
and the first, like they don'tknow me, like why would they say
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hi?
Mila (09:46):
Because in truth, I think in every other country in the
world that I've experiencedliving, in like that's not very
normal and that goes back tolike the eastern european
culture, like we're so honestand so real and a lot of people
in america don't understand it,because the culture here is
always be nice, no matter what,always have a smile on and I
don't.
Artem (10:01):
Obviously there's no right and wrong.
I mean how you grow up, andthat's how you grew up, and
that's what you think is normal,right?
I?
Mila (10:06):
think, as a parent, that's like one of the greatest
challenges is letting your kidsbe who they are, pursue their
passion.
I mean, I have three kids andmy oldest is eight and he always
has these new, differentpassions and I want to let him
pursue them and encourage them,but I'm also also like you kind
of need to focus on youreducation, and you still have to
(10:27):
be a parent you know like it's.
Artem (10:29):
It's a fine line where you do I need to let them, or do
I need to steer them in adifferent direction or explain?
It might be not the best youknow, and this is the thing with
parenting, like it's now blackand white do you want to have
more kids in the future?
I mean mean I'd love to have onemore.
My parents happily married for50 years.
They had the golden wedding andall that stuff and they played
(10:53):
huge influence in my life.
What family is how it should be, and I don't know.
It's tough to watch and to seemyself being what I am because
everything in my body saysotherwise.
Ilona (11:11):
Moving on to that subject , I guess when you got married
you thought it's forever.
But I'm a divorce attorney andeverybody has those intentions.
And then things go wrong inlife and at the end, when you go
through a divorce, often you'redivorcing not the person you
fell in love with, but someonedifferent.
And at the end, when you gothrough divorce, often you're
divorcing not the person youfell in love with, but someone
different.
And in your situation I knowbecause you're very committed,
(11:33):
just from what you've shared inyour court records and in
general.
You stuck through a lot becauseyou wanted to save the marriage
and you wanted to raise yourson.
I think you look way morebalanced and have more life in
your eyes now than you did awhile back last year.
(11:56):
I can see it.
Artem (11:58):
You feel very balanced I mean I think divorce was just
one of the things that I wasfacing at the time.
I mean there was a criminalcharge.
I was cut off from every singleoutlet of support, except for
maybe my parents.
Like I was cut off from everyangle.
Like sometimes people gothrough divorce but they have
(12:18):
their job, they have their likeyou know close ones and have
their friends.
Like there is a still certainsupport.
You know close ones and havetheir friends.
Like there is still certainsupport.
Like I didn't have a familysupport because that was cut off
.
My work was cut off and then ontop of it there was a criminal
case.
Ilona (12:36):
Well, I think it's different when you have a child
and you're sharing a childbecause you have to deal with
each other.
You're always going to be afamily, no matter what.
You always have to make sureyour son knows he's loved by
both parents.
Keep any conflict, any negativecomments.
Never put your child in themiddle of that, because you know
he's part of both parents, heloves everybody and you know the
(12:59):
child has to be protected fromall of that.
Artem (13:01):
I think everyone knows what is best.
Everyone wants to put you knowlike their best foot forward and
, just you know, make the bestfor the kid and all of that.
But again, it's easier saidthan done, you know.
I think it depends what beliefsyou have.
Mila (13:17):
What are your beliefs?
What are your values?
Artem (13:20):
Well, my value is being a united family period Like that,
it will never change change.
I don't ever believe that kidis not going to be affected by
by what happened and people say,like he's four years old, it's
fine, it's like you know.
He doesn't know any different.
Mila (13:38):
No, I've been married 12 years and we've had our share of
ups and downs and we still doLike every level has another
devil.
Artem (13:47):
Every year it's something new, you know you know and I
think there is a little say tothat that I'm a big believer as
well is that, like when you meetanother person and you start
having a family together, yourrelationship is, evolves.
It's not the same, and that'sthe one thing that I'm like.
How come people don'tunderstand that when you start
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dating someone, you have adifferent, not even just values,
but you have a different energyabout a different everything.
You put your source of energyjust in one outlet.
Then you end up like marrying.
It's like you have differentstages and every single stage is
not the same and should not becompared to the previous stage
(14:31):
very right and that's the partthat I feel like there's such a
big misunderstanding and a lotof people giving up on their
relationships is because they'relike, well, you used to do this
or you used to do that, like.
Mila (14:46):
I just don't really understand that, that that's an
argument well, and then you havekids and then you have a
household, and then likemarriage is not happy days and
sunshine and butterflies.
Artem (14:58):
Marriage is like I think marriage is the hardest work
you'll do it's so hard, peoplethink you come home and they're
just like ah, now I can relaxand be fine.
Now, if you have a kid, youcannot give as much just to one
person because you have to sharewith a whole nother human.
Mila (15:14):
And not only that.
You have to wake up in themiddle of the night, you have to
not sleep because your baby hasa stuffy nose, you have to deal
with issues with teacherscalling from school because your
child is misbehaving, and youshare in all of that together.
So if you don't, if you can'tshare it in an effective way, it
will collapse.
Ilona (15:35):
But now there's conflict in any family.
Like you know, like I, havefive kids, four of them are one
years old.
Artem (15:40):
I mean five is crazy.
I'm not even going to say muchbecause I just feel it wouldn't
give a shit, even guilty, to bespeaking about.
It's hard for me.
I just don't understand howit's even doable.
Ilona (15:52):
Five it's actually easier , I thought.
Artem (15:54):
Absolutely.
That's a lie.
It's not a lie, it's easier.
Ilona (15:57):
No, I thought how is that ?
Easier One was harder when Ijust had my five One-year-old?
No, she's five now, but was itharder because it was the first?
Yes, but now it's easierbecause mine are all the same
age.
They're going to be going tothe same school, same activities
.
Mila (16:11):
I will say having like three kids in different stages.
I will say it gets harder whenthey're older because they all
want your attention and they'reall so different and they all
have their personalities and itis more difficult to like give
enough to each of them.
But I will say, when you havemore than one, they entertain
each other, they grow up andlike they're also different.
(16:34):
So like one is sensitive andyou have to like be empathetic
to that, the other one is likereally aggressive.
So that part for me is thehardest of like.
Am I spending enough time withall of them?
Am I empathetic enough to theirown little personalities?
Artem (16:46):
Do you love them all the?
Mila (16:47):
same yes.
Artem (16:49):
Because, you see, to me I think that would be really
tough, because I know how much Ilove my son, which is like it
like makes me tear up whensaying that I just would have a
really hard time.
Mila (16:59):
My favorite part, though, about having multiple kids is
seeing their love, seeing theirrelationship, and seeing how
they treat each other, and to meit's just like the best part of
having multiple yeah.
Ilona (17:09):
Now, after what you went through last year, you went into
construction, yeah, still do.
And you know, I've seen yourprojects, do-it-yourself
projects.
You've been doing it for awhile.
How's that going?
Artem (17:24):
It's going great.
It pushes me into the differentareas of life that I actually
always wanted to do but neverreally had, like the kind of
like a push.
I love construction always have, maybe because my dad's an
engineer and he in construction,I don't know, but it was always
curious for me, like buildsomething, you know, do it with
your own hands.
I would love to pursue thismore.
(17:46):
I think I've really learned alot about myself in the past few
months.
It gives me more confidence todo what I do and it makes me
feel more confident about thefuture with, like, maybe this is
what I really want to pursuenext.
Mila (18:00):
Here's my thought from and I don't know you very well we
just met today but fromeverything I've seen and heard
and from speaking to you, youseem like a very passionate
person.
It seems like when you lovesomething, you will put
everything into it.
Artem (18:16):
Yeah.
Mila (18:17):
And then you will become amazing at it, and there's
nothing you can't accomplish ifyou learn to love it.
Artem (18:24):
If it comes from the right place.
I believe so.
Yes, If there's a passion aboutit, if there's an interest to
it, and I feel that's somethingthat I haven't learned or that's
something that I wasn't exposedto growing up, and it's sad
that it's kind of like Irealized that to the fullest at
this stage of my life.
I have to be also grateful thatI have because be also grateful
(18:46):
that I have because it's greatthat I have You're so young
still.
Mila (18:48):
You have everything ahead of you.
Artem (18:50):
Yeah, it's tough to believe at the moment, you know,
I kind of like still gaspcertain thoughts in my mind,
like did I live my best lifealready, you know?
And now I'm just trying to makethe most of what it's here, and
(19:11):
I think that's that's thestruggle I think I'm going
through right now is to likekind of like where, where, like
where actually I'm at there's notime like the present and again
this is not the belief.
Live in the present, make themost of it, and I think it's
beautiful too.
Ilona (19:29):
When you're married, you have your joint identity.
You have certain lifestyle.
You develop and now, beingfresh out of a divorce, you have
to find out who you are, what'syour identity, what's coming
being a single dad and trying towork through co-parenting while
everything is still fresh?
Meanwhile, we're also still,you know, faced with the
(19:52):
consequences of the mugshot thatwas on the internet back in
August.
How did that impact you whenthat mugshot went viral before
there was a legal determinationof who was truly at fault?
Artem (20:07):
Maybe because I've been on TV.
It's like you being judged bythe media before anything.
I think with the mugshot, thefirst time it really hit me
First of all, I mean it hit mejust even being in the police
station being arrested.
You're watching this on TV,like in TV shows when people are
getting arrested and all thatstuff, but experiencing yourself
(20:27):
it's um, you're just in a hugedenial.
It's like, is this reallyhappening, like what is
happening?
But going back to the mugshot,I remember being in Target and I
was buying, I think, um, somestuff, probably for Matteo Cause
that's most of the time I goTarget for buying stuff for
Mateo and seeing I think it wasa Star magazine or something and
(20:48):
that was on the cover mymugshot was on the cover of Star
magazine and you can helpyourself.
But when people seeing thatmugshot on that thing and then
watching it you like for them intheir mind, you are immediately
guilty.
Ilona (21:06):
You're a criminal in their mind.
Artem (21:07):
There is nothing you can say or try to justify yourself
and change their minds.
When person have a mugshot,you're guilty immediately.
There is not even a question oflike what happened, like it's
weird because in this country Ithought you're guilty.
When you've proven that you'reguilty, or you're innocent until
(21:28):
proven guilty.
Exactly that was not the casewhatsoever.
Everything happened.
There was a paparazzi outsideof when I was coming out of the
jail, when I was there for a fewhours, like there was already
paparazzi standing outsidetaking shot.
I was like how?
Like what is going on?
Mila (21:45):
I will say that what I've noticed is there's a lot of
emphasis put on the trauma thatwomen face when it comes to
divorce, but there's not a lotof emphasis put and it's highly
undervalued the trauma that menface.
And it happens so often thatmen are accused of things and
it's traumatic.
Artem (22:05):
I think we have this certain stigma to have this, I
don't know, just like immediateaccusation, immediate.
It's like when people say don'tjudge book by its cover, but we
always do.
It sucks.
I mean, I definitely wish thatwas not the case, and going
through myself like it's, youjust feel bad.
Ilona (22:31):
It's kind of like an out-of-body experience for you
because you never pictured iteverything.
Artem (22:33):
For me it completely, ruined everything for me From
every angle.
It ruined my life completelyand the worst part about all of
this, because DA dropped thecase, clearly stating that there
was nothing that they couldpossibly have charged me on.
Ilona (22:58):
I think I want to clarify that.
Artem (22:59):
In know, in a criminal case they must have sufficient
evidence to prove beyondreasonable doubt that you know
there was any domestic violenceperpetrated by you, which, and
also and also one another thingto add on to it from my
understanding as well, likeother party, did not have to
(23:20):
press charges against youbecause I think in California
law that the state take uponthemselves to get that case.
Ilona (23:29):
Well, you were told when you, at the time of the arrest
right, that one of you must bearrested.
Artem (23:34):
One of you must be arrested.
Ilona (23:35):
Yes, and then eventually, I mean family court has a
different standard.
You know, the standard infamily court is what's more
likely than not.
It's like preponderance ofevidence.
Is it more likely or not thatyou've done something wrong to
deserve restraining orderagainst you or did she do
something wrong to deserverestraining order against her?
(23:57):
And you know you've submittedsufficient evidence explaining
what actually happened and youobtained evidence in your
divorce and restraining orderproceeding to support what you
were claiming to be the truth inyour case.
And you know, ultimately infamily court you both obtained
(24:22):
restraining orders against eachother and eventually, in
November, everything was settledand you both just let it go.
Why did you decide to just notgo through the trial and present
everything, but instead, youknow, get it done.
Why is that important for you?
Because I want it to be over.
You know, get it done.
Why is that?
Artem (24:39):
important for you Because I want it to be over.
I felt, for me personally, likeI needed to go back to live my
life, you know, and just Ineeded to move on emotionally,
financially.
Ilona (25:01):
And I just want my life to be normal again.
Did that, you know?
Signing the final resolution ofthe case in November, do you
feel like that helped you moveon to the next healing stage?
Artem (25:13):
You know the Zook closure is something that's been going
on for seven years.
You know it's a seven years ofrelationship Like it's not just
like people keep forgettingsomething that I didn't stop
loving person that day and Ijust moved on.
You know, like it's, it wasn'tmy decision to get divorced, so
(25:34):
I was, till the last moment, waslike maybe we should do therapy
, maybe we need to try to figuresomething out.
My ideal scenario is likekeeping the family together,
united.
It was a huge closure of sevenyears.
I will never forget this momentwhen mateo loved three of us
being together.
I mean, he's he's like you cansee that his excitement when
(25:57):
it's like whether I was holdingmaterial, my wife was holding
material and he's like want usto kiss in front of him.
Like he's so, like it makes himso happy and even having
thought of that, like this, thisis never gonna be that ever
again.
Like this is like you need toput, like you need to move on.
And I think that closure was ahuge like, because I remember
(26:19):
like flying from the airport andI was like, wow, this is just
like.
It was sad, but it also likewas, I guess, relief because it
was done.
That is going to be no more,because I mean it was dramatic.
Like this whole thing was maybedramatic, not the right word
but it was like it was draining.
I mean it was relief from maybe, like a legal point of view,
(26:43):
legal stance and I'd finally beable to have Mateo, like there
was a closure in seven years ofmy life, everyday life.
Mila (26:52):
I can imagine how difficult it must have been with
getting a restraining orderagainst someone you spent seven
years with and had a baby withand raised a baby with.
Artem (27:02):
Not seeing Mateo for three and a half weeks, not even
seeing him, not talking to him,because I were not allowed.
Mila (27:09):
That's heartbreaking.
Artem (27:09):
When you don't see your son because it's your choice.
It's a one thing when you don'tsee your son because it's
someone else's choice and youactually legally cannot do it.
That's where it gets.
Like I'm helpless over here,like I want to see my son, and
(27:31):
rightly so.
I want to see my son there.
Absolutely should not have beena reason for not to see my son,
for not to see my son, exceptfor legally.
Ilona (27:39):
In California anyone can go file a restraining order over
the counter without givingnotice to the other side.
In other counties, like Napa,you do have to give notice, but
in your case you didn't getnotice because a special request
was made to not give notice.
So you had no idea that yourrights to see your son were
(28:01):
being taken away until you'dhave your day in court weeks
later, and then at that point wewere able to get you 50%
custody.
Artem (28:09):
And also not mentioning that.
And that was done when Ialready had visitations with
Mateo.
So it's like I'm seeing Mateoand all of a sudden one day it's
like, oh no, you can't see himanymore.
That was tough.
Ilona (28:24):
Was that one of your worst experiences in your?
Artem (28:26):
lifetime Hands down, hands down, just simply because
I couldn't do anything about it.
It's like you've just been putin front of the situation where
this is it.
Mila (28:36):
That brings us to the end of another episode of the
Glamorous Grind.
Ilona (28:41):
Don't miss part two, and don't forget to subscribe, leave
us a review and follow us onsocial media.
We hope you enjoyed hearingfrom Artyom.
His story is truly one ofresilience, reinvention and
staying graceful even throughlife's unexpected turns.
Mila (28:56):
Absolutely.
We loved hearing about hisjourney and we cannot wait to
share part two with you nextweek.
And, as always, stay bold, stayglamorous and keep grinding.
See you soon on the GlamorousGrind.
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