June 10, 2025 • 37 mins
Can what you wear make or break your career? This week on The Glamorous Grind, Ilona and Mila welcome fashion expert Dean Hall to talk about the politics, pressure, and prestige behind how we present ourselves. Dean has styled celebrities, CEOs, and pro athletes—and he’s here to spill the glam tea on everything from courtroom couture to TV set chaos.
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- The psychology behind style and first impressions
- How to radiate authority and femininity without compromise
- Why looking polished isn't about being rich
- Style advice for lawyers, entrepreneurs, and ambitious women everywhere
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Mila (00:00):
Honestly though, you guys I feel like this episode is
going to get hate becauseAmerica's all about being
comfortable Like a loner.
Dean (00:07):
That's the problem.
A loner and freaks.
Mila (00:09):
People are like what is wrong with you?
Why do you dress like that?
I'm like I like to Welcome tothe Glamorous Grind where law
meets lifestyle, and poweralways has a look.
Ilona (00:21):
Our guest today is Dean Hall.
Stylist and image consultant,he's worked with celebrities,
ceos, big brands and even hashis own segment on Fox 5.
Mila (00:31):
It's not just about looking good.
It's about power, credibilityand the energy you project.
We will discuss power dressingand how women can own authority
and femininity through fashionAll right, Dean.
Ilona (00:55):
Well, thanks for joining us in very cool shoes and an
outfit that stands out.
Dean (01:05):
Alona and I both love fashion, so we're so excited to
have you here.
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm excited to be here.
I am a fashion person throughand through goes back to high
school, so I've always lovedfashion.
Mila (01:12):
Oh my gosh Same same.
Ilona (01:13):
I mean they used to call me the club girl because I was
always fashionably late and youcould hear my high heels click,
click, click in the hallwaybefore I would walk in.
Mila (01:24):
Well, I feel like in our culture, fashion is like how you
present yourself is a big partof your identity, who you are,
and like how I was raised and Idon't know if your family is the
same way it was like beingfashionable or like dressing up,
showing up for yourself as apart of showing respect, like my
grandmother would say.
Even when I was in college,everyone would like think I'm
(01:46):
crazy, because my grandma wouldtell me, if you're going into an
exam, you have to put on a nicedress and heels, because that's
showing respect to yourprofessor.
And I did.
I always wore heels to collegeand everyone was like what's
wrong?
Dean (02:00):
with you.
Ilona (02:01):
Everyone's like in pajamas.
I'm like walking around.
Yeah, I wrong with you.
Everyone's like in pajamas.
I'm like walking around.
Yeah, I mean, it's somethingthat I think as a matter of
culture and former soviet union.
Like all women, they don't goout.
They wouldn't go outside insports clothes or flats, to even
go buy groceries like you hadto wear a dress and you got to
do your makeup.
It was uncommon for anyone nottake care of their hair or
(02:22):
makeup or their clothes.
It was expected and if youdidn't do that, they think
something is wrong with you.
Mila (02:27):
You're like an alcoholic or you don't take care of
yourself.
I was always raised that way.
I got married when I was 21.
I went to visit my husband'sfamily and my grandma said don't
go downstairs, Don't let anyonesee you until you wash your
face, brush your teeth, put onyour makeup makeup and get
dressed.
Ilona (02:50):
Which nowadays, since I have a lot of kids and sometimes
I run late in the morning and Ihave to drop off my daughter
and I'm like, ok, I need to gobuy something.
It's sprouts, and I'm wearingslippers and I haven't brushed
my hair very well yet and I haveno makeup on, I'm like, ok, do
I walk like this into a store inpublic?
But I hear my grandmother'svoice Do not be seen like that
in public.
But I violated that rule somany times now because nobody
really cares anymore.
Nobody gives a shit in Americawhat you look like, it's up to
(03:11):
you.
Dean (03:12):
I care, I think ladies are still holding that line and
holding on to it, but men arejust like.
It drives me crazy.
It's the cargo shorts, the flipflops, the polo.
I'm like, no, like.
That just shows that you justdon't care.
One of my favorite designers,tom Ford, says dressing well is
a form of manners.
Mila (03:29):
So how did you get into the fashion industry?
Tell us a little bit about that.
Dean (03:37):
Well, when I was younger, I used to always save up my
allowance and I would buy GQ.
So I would anytime.
I would get like an A on apaper.
I just always just saved up allmy money and was buying GQ.
Oh an.
Mila (03:44):
A on a paper.
I just always just saved up allmy money and was buying GQ.
Oh my god, you're my dreamchild.
My son refuses to wear niceclothing.
It's so hard.
Dean (03:52):
My nephew's too.
Just bribe him.
Every time you look nice, wegive you $20.
You iron your pants $20.
You wear a non-wrinkle shirt$20.
And instantly he'll start tofall in love with you.
When does it stop?
It doesn't.
So my friend I went to highschool with.
She got into VH1 as a publicistand so when she was in LA, she
was like, hey, we're startingthis new show called basketball
(04:13):
wives.
We need a stylist.
We don't really have a bigbudget and I think that's
something that you want to dobased upon your social media.
At the time, I was writing thislittle blog that was basically
just like taking pictures fromNeimanMarketscom and
Nordstromcom and just giving myfeedback on it.
I wasn't really doing much andso I went to the meeting.
I did really well and I thinkthe reason was because I had
underbid severely and I got thejob, did that for two seasons.
(04:36):
It was an experience, to saythe least.
Reality TV is like going to thezoo, but the animals are just
running wild.
I mean, it is just screaming.
The production side, theclothes side, you know they're
throwing drinks at each other.
It was just.
It was shocking.
Mila (04:52):
I was literally thrown into the deep end.
Dean (04:53):
Oh my god, it was anything but fun they yelled at any
point, because you askedsomebody to wear an outfit they
hated oh, absolutely.
And then production productionlikes to provide input too.
It's like, no, they need to dothis.
And so I'm thinking, well, whydon't you just fucking dress
them?
You know, since you have somuch input, what am I doing here
?
So it was just that constanttrying to follow what's
fashionable, what looks good onthem, and then a lot of times
(05:14):
people think that they know whatthey look good in, but have no
idea.
So it was this constantstruggle, did that for a little
bit and that was like, okay, Ican't do this all the time.
So then I worked on uh, therouse was orange county.
I worked with lux de bolino fora couple years.
That was fun.
Um, and I was just like, no, Ican't do anything, I want to
stay in san diego.
At the time there was amagazine called fashion 50.
Um, they attacked me to be thefashion editor.
(05:36):
So I did that for about threeyears and then, fox five, one of
the producers was like, hey, welike your style.
You want to come in and do asegment?
Did one segment and when I tellyou, I sweat through my whole
shirt.
I was so nervous I'd never doneit.
I'll never forget I was wearinga sky blue Dogekabana shirt and
by the time the segment wasended it was like all sweaty.
Ilona (05:56):
Did that air like that?
Yes, I was like oh, my Talkabout mortified.
Dean (06:01):
It was quite shocking.
And then from there it kind ofsnowballed.
I got to work with AntonioGates and some of the Charger
players, but one of my biggestthings was when Bentley released
the Bottega.
So they had me style the runwayshow for the release at Beverly
Hills and I was like wow, thatmoment was just probably one of
the highlights to this day.
Ilona (06:19):
Since you sweated in that blue shirt, did you start
wearing T-shirts under oh yes,Shirts after that?
And I never was.
I would never, ever withsomeone who sweat, but I think
it was because I hadn't donesomething like that before and
it was so big and also, thelights too weren't set, were
kind of warm, and so I'm justsitting there just like sweating
a lot of lawyers do in courtwhen they're nervous, you'll see
(06:41):
puddles and, like with men,they take off their jacket.
It's like all the way down hereand it's funny.
Dean (06:46):
And when you know you're litigating, I made you sweat I
always tell people too a reallygood thing is to put paper
towels in there.
So if you can just take papertowels to the inside as well as
a purse pit, it'll help toabsorb that that's so
uncomfortable.
It's great yeah but it's not asembarrassing.
I'd rather be uncomfortablethan embarrassed.
So yeah, it definitely helps,for sure.
Mila (07:06):
So I want to bring up one thing that I think it's
important and I brought this uppreviously for a second before
we started shooting is that Ithink a lot of people may take
offense to this episode becausea lot of people like in America
it's so in to be comfortable,yes, and like nothing against
(07:26):
that style or lack thereof, butI think it's important to
recognize that, like you know,fashion is still a thing and you
know, the reason we're doingthis episode is because how you
show up, how you present, is soimportant in the professional
sense.
Dean (07:44):
Yeah, there's no second person impressions, right, yeah,
and I think San Diego is one ofthose places that I love the
weather, love the people, butthe style is just what style?
Exactly.
Ilona (07:56):
Sometimes I judge myself and I'm like am I shallow, cause
this person shows up to abusiness meeting not looking
professional at all and to meit's maybe my stereotype.
I'm like all right, if youdon't take care of how you look,
how are you going to deliverthe product and service to me if
you don't care about how youlook?
(08:16):
A hundred percent, and I judgelawyers like that too.
I mean, if somebody comes up,comes to an interview, if they
look sloppy, I'm like your workis probably going to be sloppy.
Mila (08:24):
Exactly how you do anything is how you do
everything.
Oh my gosh, I love that.
That's like that's my lifemotto and it's so key.
Dean (08:32):
It's so key, I think, you know, san diego, for the climate
has always been more relaxed,fashion and style wise, and I
think with the pandemic it kindof amplified that more relaxed
people at home and I thinkpeople are just not willing to
let that go as much.
But I will always suffer instyle.
I think about back in the olddays, like the Ateliers, like
Cristobal Balenciaga, christianDior, yves Saint Laurent, like
(08:55):
those guys were always dressedup, no matter what time of the
year.
There were suits, there wereties, there was certain decorum
that was lacking today, you know.
Ilona (09:02):
Even when you look at the old historic photographs of san
diego from 1800s in thecourtroom or around, you know
the county of san diego offices.
People wore tall hats, men woresuits.
They didn't have washers anddryers.
At the time they didn't havedry cleaning, but these people
dressed up.
Women wore long, you know theydidn't dress casually although
(09:26):
they had to sew everythingthemselves and hand wash
everything.
Dean (09:29):
Exactly, I want the pocket watches to come back.
I miss that.
Mila (09:32):
Oh my gosh, that attention to detail right.
Dean (09:34):
Like to me.
I always say true style lies inthe detail, and so having those
little pocket watches, justlike the nice shoelaces.
Now I see people like walkingon their shoelaces.
That was one of my things.
That just drives me crazy.
Anyone walk on their shoelacesor the back of their pants.
Ilona (09:47):
I instantly want to just like well, what do you think
about the style when men hadtheir jeans?
You know all the way down.
Mila (09:53):
Oh my God Baggy jeans.
Ilona (09:54):
Hey, you have a jersey no it was everywhere.
Dean (09:58):
Me and the belt industry were just doubled over.
Mila (10:00):
It was so bad doubled over , it was so bad it's it's sloppy
, because again you show thatyou don't care right your
presentation well, in in thatsense, I do want to just bring
up the fact that you know beingstylish or being presentable
doesn't always mean you have tohave money.
You don't have to wear designerbrands to be presentable.
So there's a big differencebetween someone showing up to a
(10:24):
meeting you know you don't haveto show up in Chanel and Dolce
Gabbana but also like showing upwith your hair undone and
looking like you just rolled outof bed and putting no effort
into your look.
You can go on nowadays like Ithink there's no excuse for not
looking presentable becauseeverything is so cheap and
accessible.
You can go on Shein or Timu andorder very nice things from
(10:48):
China very cheap, exactly $5.88.
Ilona (10:52):
There are plenty of stores like Forever 21, papaya.
I'm thinking of stores that Ishopped when I was in law school
, charlotte Roos.
Dean (10:59):
That was my favorite, I love.
Ilona (11:01):
Charlotte Roos.
But I used to spend more moneythan I had to because there was
always a sale and I'm likealright, I have to buy it for my
cousin, I have to buy it for myeverybody.
And I ended up spending fivetimes more because I get some
sale and I need to buy it foreverybody you have to buy it.
Dean (11:13):
You have to do it.
It's something that you have todo.
It's just so important.
I think we have an arch.
If I like a shoe and it looksgood, I am going to just drink
more wine, but I refuse.
I've seen that so many timesthat people take their shoes off
at events and that is so cringe.
(11:33):
I know I don't do that either.
Mila (11:36):
I don't judge people for doing that, because I get it.
Dean (11:38):
But I will judge myself.
Mila (11:40):
I'm actually not mean when it comes to other people.
I won't be like oh how, but Iwill judge myself.
Dean (11:44):
You say hard on yourself about it.
Yeah, yeah, I would just sufferuntil I get home and then on
the floor just crying like oh myGod, oh, I have had the first
time I bought like my very firstpair of red bottoms.
Mila (11:54):
I wore them.
I remember I was working at alaw firm and they had a 10 hour
Christmas party.
It started at like 10 in themorning and it went.
Yeah, it was off and I worethese red bottoms, like thinking
, like my first pair of redbottoms.
I was like a second yearattorney.
Literally by the end of thenight my feet were bleeding.
Dean (12:10):
Yeah, and he's known for making that.
He's caught on record so manytimes saying he makes them just
for looks.
It's not about comfort.
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Mila (12:28):
Red bottoms are not for the weak.
Ilona (12:30):
I used to wear like stripper size shoes when I was a
teenager the six Because Ialways wanted to be taller.
I wanted to be a model when Iwas younger, but they told me I
was too short.
So then I started orderingthose tall platform shoes with
16-inch heels, and that's what Iwore for a long time.
Dean (12:47):
And they look probably more comfortable than they are
comfortable, very comfortable.
Mila (12:51):
Well, because they have the platform at the top.
Dean (12:52):
Yeah, which helps it?
Ilona (12:54):
Yeah, which my shoes now are the same.
Dean (12:56):
They're comfy.
You're like perfect.
Mila (12:57):
Never had to take them off as often as I have to take off
the dress shoes, so Dean, nowwe're going to transition to our
red flag green flag segment.
Are you ready?
Dean (13:05):
Ready, let's go.
Mila (13:08):
We're going to hit you with some rapid fire scenarios
and you're going to have to tellus if it's a red flag or a
green flag, and why.
Dean (13:13):
Let's do it, sorry in advance.
Mila (13:16):
Number one a female attorney wears leopard print
pumps to a closing argument.
Dean (13:20):
Green flag.
Mila (13:22):
Yes, leopard is my thing.
Dean (13:25):
Sorry, yeah, leopard is my thing, because you're wearing a
snake.
I'm wearing a snake.
I can't help a snake.
It's like a spiked snake.
It says, as I mentioned earlier, true stylizing details and to
me that says I kicked your ass.
I'm just putting up a while onthe ass kicking.
Mila (13:39):
It's just like a bravery, a statement of bravery, exactly
Braveheart like a bravery, astatement of bravery, exactly
brave hearts.
Ilona (13:47):
All right.
A litigator wears a bold reddress on the first day of trial.
Red flag what I would wear adress on the first day of trial
to me.
Dean (13:52):
It says, like showy, you're doing too much, and
rather than focus on the facts,it says look at me because red
is very like, like bull, you'rethe cape.
Ilona (14:00):
So it's like look at me, look at me, rather, listen to me
but it could be the first dayof the other side's opening
trial and you want to distractthem you want to distract them?
Dean (14:07):
yes, yes, but I would still say no.
Thinking about it fastly,quickly, yes, no what about with
the black jacket?
Not just it's a yellow flag, soit's in the middle.
Now we're getting warm.
Now we're getting warm okay,next one.
Mila (14:19):
You're overdressed at a casual industry mixer green flag
.
Dean (14:22):
there's no such thing as being overdressed.
Yes, thank you, impossible.
There is a quote that I love.
Mila (14:27):
It says you can never be overdressed or overeducated.
Dean (14:30):
Amen to that Amen.
There just is no way.
I mean looking good again.
You can wear tux.
In my opinion, you can wear tuxanywhere, especially as a man,
and man in a tux is perfect.
A woman in a great suit or aperfect LBD little black dress
works everywhere.
Ilona (14:46):
You know what I think would be cool in the United
States If women were able towear hats like they do in London
on a daily basis.
Dean (14:54):
You could, you could Carrie.
Ilona (14:58):
Bradshaw does it, so it would be a red or green flag to
wear cute hats to court withyour suit, like they do in
London.
Dean (15:03):
Green Green flag.
So funny you mentioned that,because I love that they wear
wigs in the courtroom in London.
Mila (15:09):
I'm like bring those wigs back.
Oh my gosh.
Yes, that's a green flag.
The white ones oh, I love thosethings?
Dean (15:15):
Yes, absolutely.
Mila (15:16):
I think they're not cute but they're like a very strong
sign of authority.
Dean (15:20):
Exactly, it's very much our fore.
Mila (15:26):
Your outfit makes you feel amazing but doesn't align with
the company dress code.
Energy first, or fit theframework.
Dean (15:33):
Red flag.
In order to continue to behappy and live, you need a job.
So the company is saying, likeyou can't wear it.
Think of interesting ways ofhow you can incorporate it right
.
It's so funny.
Years and years and years ago Iworked in the contract
department and I would go therewith with like these blue Prada,
like with pilots shoes on there, and I'd also be like, why are
(15:56):
you wearing that?
Like this is the accountingdepartment, what are you doing?
And so it's just like, okay,I'm toning it down, so it's
again knowing your audience andjust.
But I would always wear funsocks.
So I was like I can't wear funshoes, I want to wear fun socks.
So figure out how to expressyourself.
But again, you want to keep ajob so you can keep being happy
open toe shoes for women incourt.
Ilona (16:14):
That's my pet peeve, no red flag.
Dean (16:22):
Red flag, it doesn't matter how nice it's, a
distraction there's like not totake it too much to life.
But people have, like you know,toes can be distracting for a
variety of reasons.
We'll leave it at that.
Okay, yeah, if you want yourpedicure done.
You know, the reason why I likefamily law is that you know you
get it's more glamorous.
Ilona (16:34):
You go to court, there's litigation, it's fun, uh, when I
was a new lawyer, I tried to doimmigration law initially
because I speak differentlanguages and I went to
immigration court and my thefirst council on opposing side,
she wore sandals to court, opentoes, without having a pedicure
oh my god, no, like you couldalmost see the dirt under her
(16:56):
toenails because I looked atthem every day, because I was
like what is this?
Dean (17:01):
it doesn't matter, if you have, you can have the prettiest
feet in the world.
Feet are distracting,especially in a courtroom, like
watching you pace again, andthen if it's like hot pink or if
it's like white, right, it'sjust.
This color is constantly movingand so people are just like
well they're not hearinganything you said okay, I have
one for you.
Mila (17:18):
I actually have two that I want to ask you, and I want
your response on both of them.
A junior associate shows up ina hot pink pantsuit to a law
firm interview red, red, 100 redflag.
Dean (17:30):
They don't know how amazing you are.
And so, again, you know it'sanimalistic.
It could show that you don'tcare, right, you don't take law
seriously, especially dependingupon the law firm, right.
If it's I don't know, maybe aninternational firm there could
just be, like etiquette, that'sthere, right.
Or it could be a firm thatfocuses on domestic abuse, right
, firm that focuses on domesticabuse, right.
(17:51):
So it's like, again, there's somany things that you need to
get in a job first and then lookat.
Then you start to push theboundaries, but on the first
time, unless you're going to belike an attorney at Vogue or
Elle magazine, then obviously goin there.
The pink and the fuchsia Well,that's the funny thing, like
even with me.
Mila (18:06):
like I'm pretty, I'm a pretty big fashionista, but we
had a girl interview at a priorjob and she came in.
She looked so cute.
Her outfit was like on point.
She had these like see-throughopen-toed shoes.
She had like rings on hertoenails, toes, what she had
like ankle bracelets.
She looked so cute like a supertight pencil skirt.
(18:27):
I was like I want to go outpartying with you.
You're so cute and so cool.
But I was like no, you're notgoing to work here though.
That's not a professional wayto dress.
And again, it's like know youraudience.
You obviously didn't do yourresearch, didn't look into where
you're applying.
Dean (18:44):
Read the room before you get inside the room.
Ilona (18:46):
Wrinkled suits.
Dean (18:49):
Red flag.
That just shows you don't care.
That's one trend I'll neversubscribe to.
Yeah, being wrinkled anything.
Yeah, sure, like that'swrinkled and dirty.
Ilona (18:57):
Can you give our viewers advice on what materials to
purchase that are not going toget wrinkled, if you're the kind
of person that just wearsthings straight out of a dry
cleaner or, I'm sorry, out ofyour dryer?
Dean (19:07):
Well, that's tough because most fabrics within I mean I
would say cotton blends tend tohold the least amount of wrinkle
.
But if you're someone like silkor some of the nicer stuff you
have to breathe that press, it'sjust going to be wrinkled.
Mila (19:24):
But I would say anything with a cotton blend is going to
be your friend.
So my next question is a juniorassociate shows up to an
interview with hair undone,looking like they just rolled
out of bed.
Double red flag yes, amen, ifyou don't care about yourself,
you don't care about others.
Dean (19:35):
I think the careless look like the effortless.
It takes a lot more work tolook effortless than actually
just not caring.
So that just taking care ofyourself again.
If you can't take care ofyourself, how are you going to?
Take care of any business thatwe give you right, yep, and to
me just says that you're rushed,you didn't care about, you
didn't set proper time.
(19:56):
My dad always said seven p'sprior.
Proper planning prevents pisspoor performance so, my god, I
need to write that down yeah,it's like every time I set my
head I think, I just I thinkabout everything I do.
It's like why were you late,why weren, why were you
unprepared, why didn't you knowwhat was going on at the law
firm interview, all that kind ofstuff you know.
So it's just the seven P's oflife.
Mila (20:16):
Anytime my son gets nervous about anything, I always
tell him like proper planning,If you're prepared, you will
never be nervous, because youhave nothing to be nervous about
.
Dean (20:26):
Exactly Like.
Sometimes you're nervous, ifyou care.
Mila (20:28):
Yeah.
Dean (20:29):
Because you want people to be able to feel all the emotion
that you've put into something.
Ilona (20:33):
Do you have experience with dressing people for a
courtroom?
Dean (20:36):
Yes, one of my good girlfriends.
She's an attorney and I justredid her wardrobe, her
professional wardrobe, and soone of the things we did was I
always say you should stick tosilhouettes and avoid prints
Going into a courtroom and asmuch as I love Gabbana, but
going into a courtroom dresshead to toe in Dolce Gabbana
with those loud prints, whileagain it's fabulous, it works in
(20:56):
vogue, it is so distracting,right, and so your outfit should
be commanding and notdistracting when it comes to the
courtroom.
So strong silhouettes, strongcolors and the blues, the grays,
like pinstripe, not hot pink,even though we all are legally
blonde.
I'm a huge fan and I love, Ilove a pink or fuchsia wide leg
trouser in a courtroom, but itdoesn't work really well.
(21:18):
And when you do white, I alwayssay break it up.
And white symbolizes likeangelic right, like the angel
the savior.
So, depending upon what kind ofcourt case you're doing, Do it
for opening arguments?
Ilona (21:28):
I'd normally do it for my opening or closing arguments.
Dean (21:31):
Yes, oh, how's that Like?
Have you seen it?
Ilona (21:33):
I think I mean to me mentally works, is that's what I
associated with?
Okay, my side is a good side,the white side, so I'm not
presenting my story and when I'mdoing cross-examination I would
wear.
Mila (21:47):
Do you wear red lipstick with a white suit?
Ilona (21:51):
I wear whatever lipstick I can put on before I run out of
the house, so that I don't plan.
Mila (21:56):
I love a red lip with a white suit.
I think it looks fabulous.
Dean (22:00):
It reminds me of every time I see that combination.
It reminds me of Scandal,olivia Pope.
It's just so good thatcombination, that white with the
red, it's the white knight.
Yeah, it's so good.
It's so good, it's so good.
Yeah, definitely, stick to um.
I always think that courtroom.
Avoid skirts if you can.
I just think it's a distraction.
So, yeah, I mean, we did wear awardrobe, we did do some really
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good pencil skirts.
I think it's important to bemindful of like slits.
You don't want anything that'sgoing to be too distracting
again, or too high or too tight.
I've seen that a lot of timestoo, where it's just so fitted
that we can just see so much ofthe contour of your body and
it's like this is not reallycourtroom, this is like dance
room ballroom type thing.
So it's just walk on that fineline and then shoulder pads too.
Be mindful of that.
Mila (22:41):
No shoulder pads or shoulder pads no no, like the
excessive shoulder pads.
Dean (22:44):
No bomb on right, Like I said, we love the dramatic
Olivier Rousteing.
Mila (22:48):
I love shoulder pads.
Dean (22:49):
But not big ones, not like 1980s, okay.
Mila (22:55):
I think it's important to note too, like how you present
is going to depend so much onyour confidence levels, and your
confidence levels are.
You know, people can deny itall they want, but people are
generally more confident whenthey are dressed nice.
Dean (23:11):
Yeah, when you look good, you feel good, and so no matter
what that means to you.
Ilona (23:16):
So it's about self-awareness, because if you
are dressed like shit, at leastlet's say you think that you
know someone's dressed like shit, but they feel amazing.
Dean (23:23):
Oh yeah, they feel confident.
Ilona (23:24):
They don't give a shit.
Dean (23:24):
They might have just given up too, or they just don't get
it.
Ilona (23:27):
So how do you become aware when you're not, like when
you don't know what to careabout?
Dean (23:31):
Well, I always say, when you walk into a room, what are
three things you want people tosay about your style?
And that's how you start right.
And I would say, in the yearsthat I've been doing this, I've
had maybe a handful of peoplewhose wardrobe actually align
with their words.
A lot of times people thinkthat they're conveying this
message and they're really notright.
So it's like, oh, I want to beknown as someone who is fashion
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forward, edgy, um, buteverything in your closet is
like ralph lauren or ann taylorloft and it's like there's not
really edgier, fashion forward.
Right, you think maybe becauseyou have, like a leather jacket,
it's saying that, but overallit's being able to have that
fresh pair of eyes come in,identify what the message is and
then make sure that thewardrobe is congruent to that.
Ilona (24:11):
And I like it when I see older men or even older women.
I'm talking about 60s, 70s.
Dress up young because it makesyou think someone looking from
the outside hey, like they'restill living young lifestyle.
Mila (24:25):
Look at J-Lo.
Ilona (24:26):
She's like what, 50?
She's almost 60.
Mila (24:28):
She's not that old?
Ilona (24:28):
I'm not talking.
These are outliers.
I'm not talking.
Mila (24:31):
these are outliers I'm not talking about you know,
celebrities of the world.
Ilona (24:34):
I'm talking about regular people that are older but are
trying to dress young, likethey'll wear shoes that 20, 30
year old yeah, cool sneakers.
So they'll wear fun shirt orpants and a belt and they'll
style their hair if they stillhave hair, they'll style in a
certain way and just to lookyoung and it's like, oh, you
know, I don't know just kind oflevel with them more.
Dean (24:53):
It's nice to have that youthful soul.
Yeah, there's a youthfulnessthat lies there.
Right, and just being carefulthat we're not trying to like be
20, right, you're just dressingyouthful but not trying'll do
like a bruno cuccinelli sneakerand maybe like a lightly
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distressed, dead dark denim, andso just taking some of those
trends and making them feel Ihate saying this word, but like
age appropriate.
So he's not like wearingshredded jeans to the max you
can see his knee like.
It's not that much.
Ilona (25:29):
So, again, just taking those cool little youthful
styles and making it their own Ithink I also have those
self-limiting beliefs now where,you know, when I was younger,
I'm like I can wear anything.
Holes here, holes there, splitsup to here and I'm like all
right, I'm an attorney.
I'm it's you know 45 years oldnow.
I have kids, I have a business,I have to portray a certain
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image, so I can't look like ahooker if I go out.
Dean (25:54):
It's all about moderation, everything in moderation.
Mila (25:59):
I'm so bad at moderation, I'm awful at it.
Ilona (26:06):
If you want my mom will give you a call and she'll set
you straight.
Mila (26:11):
I think I need that in my life.
Dean (26:14):
Hopefully you have that inner voice being like don't do
it.
Don't do it.
Just because you can wear itdoesn't mean you should wear it
out.
So I would just say some thingsyou just keep in the comfort of
your home.
Ilona (26:24):
Who's the audience is another thing.
Dean (26:26):
Exactly.
Ilona (26:27):
If you're going to go to the beach and be with a bunch of
teenagers or young people, it'sone thing.
If you're going to look thatway in a room where you're in a
professional setting, you justhave to know your audience and
be self-aware.
But I think that's where a lotof people lack that
self-awareness.
They don't know how to dressfor the occasion.
They don't worry about it inCalifornia, yes, 100%.
Dean (26:50):
They don't worry about it in california.
Yes, a hundred percent.
And I and I one of the thingsthat drives me crazy, and I just
hear my grandmother and grandpaalways saying is like there's
no such thing as beingoverdressed right for an event.
The worst thing you could do isbe underdressed yeah and I
think people uh have a hard timeregulating like the difference
between, like, a black tie orcocktail attire, and they come
in with sneakers and jeans andit it's like, well, that's not
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what it actually means, right.
Ilona (27:14):
I feel like in the last two months I've had a lot of
those experiences where Istarted almost like doubting
myself Do I have highexpectations here?
Am I like some snob who justexpects people to be dressed up
and look professional at certainevents?
Like, for example, I go to thisone event where it was supposed
to be this business mixer and Ithink I was the only person who
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was dressed up Because peoplethey were wearing white socks
with sandals that have the onesthat stick on each other.
And I was like that's not whereI thought I was going.
Dean (27:47):
That's not the vibe we were giving.
Mila (27:48):
So what would you say for someone who's a party to a
lawsuit, like a plaintiff or adefendant?
How would you recommend thatthey would dress?
Dean (27:55):
So are they guilty Great question Are they guilty?
Or not.
Mila (27:59):
Everything is arguable.
Dean (28:00):
Exactly that's why we're here, that's how they paste the
big box.
Allegedly Keep it simple, right,like the acronym KISS.
Keep it simple, stupid.
You can never go wrong with allblack right and no labels,
obviously, because people arevery judgmental if you go out
there, especially if you'reconsidered someone who has
wealth.
You come in there with you know, gucci head to toe.
(28:21):
Again, it just it really it'soff putting to the jury.
There's people in general,right, and it's like, oh,
they're a rich asshole, heprobably did it, we're going to
send him away, no matter whatthe facts say.
So just be mindful.
No labels, super simple, andthink about.
In my case, I would say, whatwould my parents wear?
Yeah, right, Because again, Ithink people would take.
(28:43):
This is probably going to soundbad, but people who take jury
duty the most serious, I think,are the generation above us.
It's like the last ones whoreally do, because I know a lot
of my friends are like, oh, Ihate jury duty, it's a pain in
the ass, like they don't havethat.
That civic duty is not so high,and so what would my parents
dress like?
Because that's who I wouldimagine would be considered a
peer.
Ilona (28:59):
That's a good tip.
Dean (29:00):
Yeah.
Mila (29:00):
And keeping in mind that juries are people, exactly, the
judge is a person andtechnically it's supposed to be
neutral and they're supposed tolook at the facts.
But you know humans, like yousaid, it's an animalistic
tendency to judge other peopleand a lot of those judgments
will come from how you presentOkay and a lot of those
judgments will come from how youpresent.
Ilona (29:19):
Okay, what if someone has no clue where to start?
Dean (29:21):
Well, they call me.
I always say start a mood board, right, like, pick up some
magazines and find out whatinspires you.
I know that sounds like cheesy,but you spend so much of the
day wearing clothes.
You should find something thatyou actually like, right, what
colors that you actually like,what patterns you like, things
like that and just create alittle mood board.
You can just do it on yourphone, nothing crazy.
Just try on some of the clothes.
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Understand what some of thefits are like fabrics.
Read the tags.
Every time I'm with the clientI make them read the tags so
they understand slim fit versusskinny, versus athletic.
Really get to understand whatyou're going to be putting.
Ilona (29:53):
Can you explain those styles what they should be
looking for?
So, depending on what you'rebuilt like, right, so you're
talking about men or women,right now Everyone, so this is
across the board.
Dean (30:01):
Yeah, but men are simpler, right, so you can make it as
simple as possible.
Men will love that rightSimplicity.
So again, just knowing the mostuniversal style for a man
that's going to work perfectlyis a slim straight.
It doesn't matter if you're alittle chunky, if you're really,
really thin.
A slim straight pant is goingto work for you 9.99999 times
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out of 10.
So all you have to do is lookat the back of the tag and see
If it says skinny, don't do it.
Mila (30:26):
If it says athletic or oversized.
Dean (30:28):
Don't do it, unless you're a really good fashion guy.
Ilona (30:34):
I'm going to play this for my son, because he wants
everything oversized.
And your husband.
Dean (30:43):
What do you say to people who think that style is shallow
or that don't have any time forit?
That's an interesting question,one I think that there are.
If we're just going to be frank, they're lying because they
have a style themselves.
Style is basically how you wearsomething repeatedly.
How you wear somethingrepeatedly.
So, no matter if you think youdon't have style, you
continuously, every day, wake upand try and fight the trends of
(31:04):
L, the trends of all this kindof stuff.
So that is your style.
You have a rebellious style.
So, even when you think youdon't have style, there's style
in there, and so everyone hastime.
If you have time to brush yourteeth, you have time to watch
Netflix.
You have time to eat, you havetime to watch netflix.
You have time to eat.
You have time to develop style.
So, essentially, what you'retelling me is that you have
enough time to live in the world, but you don't have enough time
to care about what you looklike doing so or how others
(31:27):
perceive you, and I think thatis just bullshit.
It just really gets down to thecore of your confidence and
helps to um emote that what'sthe best advice you have given
someone on Fox 5 show lookingback?
I did a makeover on this mom.
So she was going throughdivorce and she had put all of
(31:48):
her focus into getting herdaughter to college and so she
really was something like stylewasn't really her thing, and so
I never forget this.
And so, uh, I never forget this.
I put her in this like blackand maroon top, the sequined
skirt and these like balletflats, because I believe in that
you style for someone's lifelike she's not a heel woman, so
(32:10):
putting her heels is not goingto be beneficial.
If anything, she might see howwell she looks in it and maybe
she can't use them for agethings like that.
It would make her feel worse,right?
So it's like giving her a cutelike really cute flat to do that
.
And I mean I went to her housebefore we did the on-air segment
to make sure everything fit.
And then she starts crying andI start crying.
Ilona (32:31):
I was like oh my.
Mila (32:31):
God.
Dean (32:34):
Like she just never thought that she could like look
so pretty.
And I think you know women,when they have focused on being
a mother, being a wife, being acareer person, it's so easy for
you for women rather, who arenaturally nurturing to forget
about themselves.
So it's like all the water isgoing out but none of it's
coming in.
Yes, and then you have nothingand you know you don't feel like
the beautiful flower that youare.
Mila (32:54):
Yes.
Dean (32:55):
And so that was it to this day.
I probably done maybe like ahundred and some segments.
That will always be my numberone segment.
I love that.
It's just.
It's why I do what I do, right.
I love seeing people just thatconfidence, right?
People may think it's so silly,but watching someone go
slouching putting on somethinggreat being like, and seeing
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them light up and just like,well, you're going to start
crying, so I'm going to.
Yeah.
Ilona (33:19):
What do you put on to feel good about yourself when
you're having a shitty day?
Dean (33:22):
A robe.
It's so funny.
I love my.
What kind of robe.
Tell us what kind of robe it is.
It's a cheetah print it's acheetah print it's a white plush
robe from Revlon.
Yeah, it's just something it's,and I put I don't take it out
very often, but I'm having arough day, I'll just put it on.
Mila (33:40):
I love that.
Dean (33:40):
It just is comfortable.
And I love clothes, I love whatI do, but sometimes for me it's
the escape.
Yeah, so it's just like I'mjust going to sit on my rope.
Ilona (33:51):
So for this glam tip of the week, we're going to hear
from Dean.
Dean (33:55):
Yes, I would say the glam tip would be to put a little bit
of extra cologne or perfumebehind your ear.
Go to Sephora, get the samples,because when you heat up it
interacts differently whenyou're cold.
So just spray some on for aweek, see how your body reacts
to it and you're good.
Ilona (34:10):
I used to spray myself with a ton of perfume and I
didn't feel it.
Now, when somebody spraysthemselves at least twice, it's
too much for me.
Like one spray is enough, youmust hate being around me.
No, I don't smell you Really.
Actually, I do smell you, butit's not that bad.
Dean (34:26):
It's Chanel.
I mean, it's not that bad.
You don't smell like that.
It's not that bad, it'stolerable.
Ilona (34:33):
It's Chanel.
Dean (34:33):
It's tolerable.
We'll take it, it's fine.
Ilona (34:35):
It's not too much, it's normal.
Dean (34:38):
That's one thing, too, that drives me crazy is people
put on cologne like it's rosewater.
They just start spraying iteverywhere and it's like that's
not how you do that, right, butif you have nice clothes,
because what it does is it'lljust start to disintegrate the
materials and things like thatyou have cashmere and silks and
things like that.
So I always say just spray ithere, boom, and then here this.
I always say just spray it here, boom, and then here.
(34:58):
This way that people when theycome talk to you they go oh,
that smells good, but it's notoverbearing.
Ilona (35:05):
Spraying it on your neck and that, that's just.
It's a lot.
In former Sabine we used to puta little bit here, a little bit
here, here, here.
That's how it was taught.
Yeah, me too, I just spray itonce here.
Mila (35:12):
I spray here this, and then I just it's so interesting
because scent is such a strongsense and I think that your
perfume makes such a strongstatement about you.
I remember when I was growingup.
Some of my memories with my momare always associated with Coco
Chanel Mademoiselle, mixed with120 Capri's.
Dean (35:35):
Oh my.
Mila (35:36):
God Menthols.
Dean (35:37):
My Nana June.
Oh my God, those long scents.
My Nana June smoked those shoes, oh my God.
Menthols, oh my God, those long, oh my.
Mila (35:41):
God.
So, like every time, I wouldlike put my my face on my mom's
like chest.
It would be the combination ofCoco Chanel, Mademoiselle and
Capri's.
Ilona (35:52):
Does not sound good to me .
It's not so good.
Mila (35:56):
I do like the Coco Chanel Mademoiselle.
Ilona (35:59):
Yeah, but it's like a core memory for me.
It's surprising you didn't uhcreate a negative association
with coco chanel after a mixwith the cigarette smell.
Dean (36:08):
Yeah, and it's no, it's opposite.
Mila (36:09):
I now enjoy the smell of cigarette smoke because it, like
, reminds me of childhood.
It's nostalgic yeah so what'snext for you?
Dean (36:17):
so right now I'm working on a book.
It's called start with style.
I believe uh anyone wanting tostart, uh, being curious about
fashion.
Or if you're going through achange in your life you've lost
weight, you've got a promotion,you unfortunately gone through a
divorce, um, or you're going toa different country, what are
some of the key things that youcan do to make sure that your
style translates wherever you'regoing?
So I do things like how tocreate a cologne bar in there,
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what makes a good tailor, whatmakes a good cobbler, uh, proper
underwear, things like that.
So it's really going to be aguide, like a how to thing for
both men and women.
For both yeah.
No boxers for men no boxersfrom it or thongs.
Ilona (36:55):
Dean, thank you for reminding us that image is power
and that women can dresshowever they want to feel
confident and successful.
Mila (37:01):
Remember, whether you're in Louboutins or loafers,
courtroom or cocktail hour, yourstyle speaks volumes.
Ilona (37:09):
And we're here to help you say what needs to be said.
Subscribe, follow and stay glamwith us every week on the
Glamorous Grind.
Honestly though, you guys I feel like this episode is
going to get hate becauseAmerica's all about being
comfortable Like a loner.
Dean (00:07):
That's the problem.
A loner and freaks.
Mila (00:09):
People are like what is wrong with you?
Why do you dress like that?
I'm like I like to Welcome tothe Glamorous Grind where law
meets lifestyle, and poweralways has a look.
Ilona (00:21):
Our guest today is Dean Hall.
Stylist and image consultant,he's worked with celebrities,
ceos, big brands and even hashis own segment on Fox 5.
Mila (00:31):
It's not just about looking good.
It's about power, credibilityand the energy you project.
We will discuss power dressingand how women can own authority
and femininity through fashionAll right, Dean.
Ilona (00:55):
Well, thanks for joining us in very cool shoes and an
outfit that stands out.
Dean (01:05):
Alona and I both love fashion, so we're so excited to
have you here.
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm excited to be here.
I am a fashion person throughand through goes back to high
school, so I've always lovedfashion.
Mila (01:12):
Oh my gosh Same same.
Ilona (01:13):
I mean they used to call me the club girl because I was
always fashionably late and youcould hear my high heels click,
click, click in the hallwaybefore I would walk in.
Mila (01:24):
Well, I feel like in our culture, fashion is like how you
present yourself is a big partof your identity, who you are,
and like how I was raised and Idon't know if your family is the
same way it was like beingfashionable or like dressing up,
showing up for yourself as apart of showing respect, like my
grandmother would say.
Even when I was in college,everyone would like think I'm
(01:46):
crazy, because my grandma wouldtell me, if you're going into an
exam, you have to put on a nicedress and heels, because that's
showing respect to yourprofessor.
And I did.
I always wore heels to collegeand everyone was like what's
wrong?
Dean (02:00):
with you.
Ilona (02:01):
Everyone's like in pajamas.
I'm like walking around.
Yeah, I wrong with you.
Everyone's like in pajamas.
I'm like walking around.
Yeah, I mean, it's somethingthat I think as a matter of
culture and former soviet union.
Like all women, they don't goout.
They wouldn't go outside insports clothes or flats, to even
go buy groceries like you hadto wear a dress and you got to
do your makeup.
It was uncommon for anyone nottake care of their hair or
(02:22):
makeup or their clothes.
It was expected and if youdidn't do that, they think
something is wrong with you.
Mila (02:27):
You're like an alcoholic or you don't take care of
yourself.
I was always raised that way.
I got married when I was 21.
I went to visit my husband'sfamily and my grandma said don't
go downstairs, Don't let anyonesee you until you wash your
face, brush your teeth, put onyour makeup makeup and get
dressed.
Ilona (02:50):
Which nowadays, since I have a lot of kids and sometimes
I run late in the morning and Ihave to drop off my daughter
and I'm like, ok, I need to gobuy something.
It's sprouts, and I'm wearingslippers and I haven't brushed
my hair very well yet and I haveno makeup on, I'm like, ok, do
I walk like this into a store inpublic?
But I hear my grandmother'svoice Do not be seen like that
in public.
But I violated that rule somany times now because nobody
really cares anymore.
Nobody gives a shit in Americawhat you look like, it's up to
(03:11):
you.
Dean (03:12):
I care, I think ladies are still holding that line and
holding on to it, but men arejust like.
It drives me crazy.
It's the cargo shorts, the flipflops, the polo.
I'm like, no, like.
That just shows that you justdon't care.
One of my favorite designers,tom Ford, says dressing well is
a form of manners.
Mila (03:29):
So how did you get into the fashion industry?
Tell us a little bit about that.
Dean (03:37):
Well, when I was younger, I used to always save up my
allowance and I would buy GQ.
So I would anytime.
I would get like an A on apaper.
I just always just saved up allmy money and was buying GQ.
Oh an.
Mila (03:44):
A on a paper.
I just always just saved up allmy money and was buying GQ.
Oh my god, you're my dreamchild.
My son refuses to wear niceclothing.
It's so hard.
Dean (03:52):
My nephew's too.
Just bribe him.
Every time you look nice, wegive you $20.
You iron your pants $20.
You wear a non-wrinkle shirt$20.
And instantly he'll start tofall in love with you.
When does it stop?
It doesn't.
So my friend I went to highschool with.
She got into VH1 as a publicistand so when she was in LA, she
was like, hey, we're startingthis new show called basketball
(04:13):
wives.
We need a stylist.
We don't really have a bigbudget and I think that's
something that you want to dobased upon your social media.
At the time, I was writing thislittle blog that was basically
just like taking pictures fromNeimanMarketscom and
Nordstromcom and just giving myfeedback on it.
I wasn't really doing much andso I went to the meeting.
I did really well and I thinkthe reason was because I had
underbid severely and I got thejob, did that for two seasons.
(04:36):
It was an experience, to saythe least.
Reality TV is like going to thezoo, but the animals are just
running wild.
I mean, it is just screaming.
The production side, theclothes side, you know they're
throwing drinks at each other.
It was just.
It was shocking.
Mila (04:52):
I was literally thrown into the deep end.
Dean (04:53):
Oh my god, it was anything but fun they yelled at any
point, because you askedsomebody to wear an outfit they
hated oh, absolutely.
And then production productionlikes to provide input too.
It's like, no, they need to dothis.
And so I'm thinking, well, whydon't you just fucking dress
them?
You know, since you have somuch input, what am I doing here
?
So it was just that constanttrying to follow what's
fashionable, what looks good onthem, and then a lot of times
(05:14):
people think that they know whatthey look good in, but have no
idea.
So it was this constantstruggle, did that for a little
bit and that was like, okay, Ican't do this all the time.
So then I worked on uh, therouse was orange county.
I worked with lux de bolino fora couple years.
That was fun.
Um, and I was just like, no, Ican't do anything, I want to
stay in san diego.
At the time there was amagazine called fashion 50.
Um, they attacked me to be thefashion editor.
(05:36):
So I did that for about threeyears and then, fox five, one of
the producers was like, hey, welike your style.
You want to come in and do asegment?
Did one segment and when I tellyou, I sweat through my whole
shirt.
I was so nervous I'd never doneit.
I'll never forget I was wearinga sky blue Dogekabana shirt and
by the time the segment wasended it was like all sweaty.
Ilona (05:56):
Did that air like that?
Yes, I was like oh, my Talkabout mortified.
Dean (06:01):
It was quite shocking.
And then from there it kind ofsnowballed.
I got to work with AntonioGates and some of the Charger
players, but one of my biggestthings was when Bentley released
the Bottega.
So they had me style the runwayshow for the release at Beverly
Hills and I was like wow, thatmoment was just probably one of
the highlights to this day.
Ilona (06:19):
Since you sweated in that blue shirt, did you start
wearing T-shirts under oh yes,Shirts after that?
And I never was.
I would never, ever withsomeone who sweat, but I think
it was because I hadn't donesomething like that before and
it was so big and also, thelights too weren't set, were
kind of warm, and so I'm justsitting there just like sweating
a lot of lawyers do in courtwhen they're nervous, you'll see
(06:41):
puddles and, like with men,they take off their jacket.
It's like all the way down hereand it's funny.
Dean (06:46):
And when you know you're litigating, I made you sweat I
always tell people too a reallygood thing is to put paper
towels in there.
So if you can just take papertowels to the inside as well as
a purse pit, it'll help toabsorb that that's so
uncomfortable.
It's great yeah but it's not asembarrassing.
I'd rather be uncomfortablethan embarrassed.
So yeah, it definitely helps,for sure.
Mila (07:06):
So I want to bring up one thing that I think it's
important and I brought this uppreviously for a second before
we started shooting is that Ithink a lot of people may take
offense to this episode becausea lot of people like in America
it's so in to be comfortable,yes, and like nothing against
(07:26):
that style or lack thereof, butI think it's important to
recognize that, like you know,fashion is still a thing and you
know, the reason we're doingthis episode is because how you
show up, how you present, is soimportant in the professional
sense.
Dean (07:44):
Yeah, there's no second person impressions, right, yeah,
and I think San Diego is one ofthose places that I love the
weather, love the people, butthe style is just what style?
Exactly.
Ilona (07:56):
Sometimes I judge myself and I'm like am I shallow, cause
this person shows up to abusiness meeting not looking
professional at all and to meit's maybe my stereotype.
I'm like all right, if youdon't take care of how you look,
how are you going to deliverthe product and service to me if
you don't care about how youlook?
(08:16):
A hundred percent, and I judgelawyers like that too.
I mean, if somebody comes up,comes to an interview, if they
look sloppy, I'm like your workis probably going to be sloppy.
Mila (08:24):
Exactly how you do anything is how you do
everything.
Oh my gosh, I love that.
That's like that's my lifemotto and it's so key.
Dean (08:32):
It's so key, I think, you know, san diego, for the climate
has always been more relaxed,fashion and style wise, and I
think with the pandemic it kindof amplified that more relaxed
people at home and I thinkpeople are just not willing to
let that go as much.
But I will always suffer instyle.
I think about back in the olddays, like the Ateliers, like
Cristobal Balenciaga, christianDior, yves Saint Laurent, like
(08:55):
those guys were always dressedup, no matter what time of the
year.
There were suits, there wereties, there was certain decorum
that was lacking today, you know.
Ilona (09:02):
Even when you look at the old historic photographs of san
diego from 1800s in thecourtroom or around, you know
the county of san diego offices.
People wore tall hats, men woresuits.
They didn't have washers anddryers.
At the time they didn't havedry cleaning, but these people
dressed up.
Women wore long, you know theydidn't dress casually although
(09:26):
they had to sew everythingthemselves and hand wash
everything.
Dean (09:29):
Exactly, I want the pocket watches to come back.
I miss that.
Mila (09:32):
Oh my gosh, that attention to detail right.
Dean (09:34):
Like to me.
I always say true style lies inthe detail, and so having those
little pocket watches, justlike the nice shoelaces.
Now I see people like walkingon their shoelaces.
That was one of my things.
That just drives me crazy.
Anyone walk on their shoelacesor the back of their pants.
Ilona (09:47):
I instantly want to just like well, what do you think
about the style when men hadtheir jeans?
You know all the way down.
Mila (09:53):
Oh my God Baggy jeans.
Ilona (09:54):
Hey, you have a jersey no it was everywhere.
Dean (09:58):
Me and the belt industry were just doubled over.
Mila (10:00):
It was so bad doubled over , it was so bad it's it's sloppy
, because again you show thatyou don't care right your
presentation well, in in thatsense, I do want to just bring
up the fact that you know beingstylish or being presentable
doesn't always mean you have tohave money.
You don't have to wear designerbrands to be presentable.
So there's a big differencebetween someone showing up to a
(10:24):
meeting you know you don't haveto show up in Chanel and Dolce
Gabbana but also like showing upwith your hair undone and
looking like you just rolled outof bed and putting no effort
into your look.
You can go on nowadays like Ithink there's no excuse for not
looking presentable becauseeverything is so cheap and
accessible.
You can go on Shein or Timu andorder very nice things from
(10:48):
China very cheap, exactly $5.88.
Ilona (10:52):
There are plenty of stores like Forever 21, papaya.
I'm thinking of stores that Ishopped when I was in law school
, charlotte Roos.
Dean (10:59):
That was my favorite, I love.
Ilona (11:01):
Charlotte Roos.
But I used to spend more moneythan I had to because there was
always a sale and I'm likealright, I have to buy it for my
cousin, I have to buy it for myeverybody.
And I ended up spending fivetimes more because I get some
sale and I need to buy it foreverybody you have to buy it.
Dean (11:13):
You have to do it.
It's something that you have todo.
It's just so important.
I think we have an arch.
If I like a shoe and it looksgood, I am going to just drink
more wine, but I refuse.
I've seen that so many timesthat people take their shoes off
at events and that is so cringe.
(11:33):
I know I don't do that either.
Mila (11:36):
I don't judge people for doing that, because I get it.
Dean (11:38):
But I will judge myself.
Mila (11:40):
I'm actually not mean when it comes to other people.
I won't be like oh how, but Iwill judge myself.
Dean (11:44):
You say hard on yourself about it.
Yeah, yeah, I would just sufferuntil I get home and then on
the floor just crying like oh myGod, oh, I have had the first
time I bought like my very firstpair of red bottoms.
Mila (11:54):
I wore them.
I remember I was working at alaw firm and they had a 10 hour
Christmas party.
It started at like 10 in themorning and it went.
Yeah, it was off and I worethese red bottoms, like thinking
, like my first pair of redbottoms.
I was like a second yearattorney.
Literally by the end of thenight my feet were bleeding.
Dean (12:10):
Yeah, and he's known for making that.
He's caught on record so manytimes saying he makes them just
for looks.
It's not about comfort.
No-transcript.
Mila (12:28):
Red bottoms are not for the weak.
Ilona (12:30):
I used to wear like stripper size shoes when I was a
teenager the six Because Ialways wanted to be taller.
I wanted to be a model when Iwas younger, but they told me I
was too short.
So then I started orderingthose tall platform shoes with
16-inch heels, and that's what Iwore for a long time.
Dean (12:47):
And they look probably more comfortable than they are
comfortable, very comfortable.
Mila (12:51):
Well, because they have the platform at the top.
Dean (12:52):
Yeah, which helps it?
Ilona (12:54):
Yeah, which my shoes now are the same.
Dean (12:56):
They're comfy.
You're like perfect.
Mila (12:57):
Never had to take them off as often as I have to take off
the dress shoes, so Dean, nowwe're going to transition to our
red flag green flag segment.
Are you ready?
Dean (13:05):
Ready, let's go.
Mila (13:08):
We're going to hit you with some rapid fire scenarios
and you're going to have to tellus if it's a red flag or a
green flag, and why.
Dean (13:13):
Let's do it, sorry in advance.
Mila (13:16):
Number one a female attorney wears leopard print
pumps to a closing argument.
Dean (13:20):
Green flag.
Mila (13:22):
Yes, leopard is my thing.
Dean (13:25):
Sorry, yeah, leopard is my thing, because you're wearing a
snake.
I'm wearing a snake.
I can't help a snake.
It's like a spiked snake.
It says, as I mentioned earlier, true stylizing details and to
me that says I kicked your ass.
I'm just putting up a while onthe ass kicking.
Mila (13:39):
It's just like a bravery, a statement of bravery, exactly
Braveheart like a bravery, astatement of bravery, exactly
brave hearts.
Ilona (13:47):
All right.
A litigator wears a bold reddress on the first day of trial.
Red flag what I would wear adress on the first day of trial
to me.
Dean (13:52):
It says, like showy, you're doing too much, and
rather than focus on the facts,it says look at me because red
is very like, like bull, you'rethe cape.
Ilona (14:00):
So it's like look at me, look at me, rather, listen to me
but it could be the first dayof the other side's opening
trial and you want to distractthem you want to distract them?
Dean (14:07):
yes, yes, but I would still say no.
Thinking about it fastly,quickly, yes, no what about with
the black jacket?
Not just it's a yellow flag, soit's in the middle.
Now we're getting warm.
Now we're getting warm okay,next one.
Mila (14:19):
You're overdressed at a casual industry mixer green flag
.
Dean (14:22):
there's no such thing as being overdressed.
Yes, thank you, impossible.
There is a quote that I love.
Mila (14:27):
It says you can never be overdressed or overeducated.
Dean (14:30):
Amen to that Amen.
There just is no way.
I mean looking good again.
You can wear tux.
In my opinion, you can wear tuxanywhere, especially as a man,
and man in a tux is perfect.
A woman in a great suit or aperfect LBD little black dress
works everywhere.
Ilona (14:46):
You know what I think would be cool in the United
States If women were able towear hats like they do in London
on a daily basis.
Dean (14:54):
You could, you could Carrie.
Ilona (14:58):
Bradshaw does it, so it would be a red or green flag to
wear cute hats to court withyour suit, like they do in
London.
Dean (15:03):
Green Green flag.
So funny you mentioned that,because I love that they wear
wigs in the courtroom in London.
Mila (15:09):
I'm like bring those wigs back.
Oh my gosh.
Yes, that's a green flag.
The white ones oh, I love thosethings?
Dean (15:15):
Yes, absolutely.
Mila (15:16):
I think they're not cute but they're like a very strong
sign of authority.
Dean (15:20):
Exactly, it's very much our fore.
Mila (15:26):
Your outfit makes you feel amazing but doesn't align with
the company dress code.
Energy first, or fit theframework.
Dean (15:33):
Red flag.
In order to continue to behappy and live, you need a job.
So the company is saying, likeyou can't wear it.
Think of interesting ways ofhow you can incorporate it right
.
It's so funny.
Years and years and years ago Iworked in the contract
department and I would go therewith with like these blue Prada,
like with pilots shoes on there, and I'd also be like, why are
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you wearing that?
Like this is the accountingdepartment, what are you doing?
And so it's just like, okay,I'm toning it down, so it's
again knowing your audience andjust.
But I would always wear funsocks.
So I was like I can't wear funshoes, I want to wear fun socks.
So figure out how to expressyourself.
But again, you want to keep ajob so you can keep being happy
open toe shoes for women incourt.
Ilona (16:14):
That's my pet peeve, no red flag.
Dean (16:22):
Red flag, it doesn't matter how nice it's, a
distraction there's like not totake it too much to life.
But people have, like you know,toes can be distracting for a
variety of reasons.
We'll leave it at that.
Okay, yeah, if you want yourpedicure done.
You know, the reason why I likefamily law is that you know you
get it's more glamorous.
Ilona (16:34):
You go to court, there's litigation, it's fun, uh, when I
was a new lawyer, I tried to doimmigration law initially
because I speak differentlanguages and I went to
immigration court and my thefirst council on opposing side,
she wore sandals to court, opentoes, without having a pedicure
oh my god, no, like you couldalmost see the dirt under her
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toenails because I looked atthem every day, because I was
like what is this?
Dean (17:01):
it doesn't matter, if you have, you can have the prettiest
feet in the world.
Feet are distracting,especially in a courtroom, like
watching you pace again, andthen if it's like hot pink or if
it's like white, right, it'sjust.
This color is constantly movingand so people are just like
well they're not hearinganything you said okay, I have
one for you.
Mila (17:18):
I actually have two that I want to ask you, and I want
your response on both of them.
A junior associate shows up ina hot pink pantsuit to a law
firm interview red, red, 100 redflag.
Dean (17:30):
They don't know how amazing you are.
And so, again, you know it'sanimalistic.
It could show that you don'tcare, right, you don't take law
seriously, especially dependingupon the law firm, right.
If it's I don't know, maybe aninternational firm there could
just be, like etiquette, that'sthere, right.
Or it could be a firm thatfocuses on domestic abuse, right
, firm that focuses on domesticabuse, right.
(17:51):
So it's like, again, there's somany things that you need to
get in a job first and then lookat.
Then you start to push theboundaries, but on the first
time, unless you're going to belike an attorney at Vogue or
Elle magazine, then obviously goin there.
The pink and the fuchsia Well,that's the funny thing, like
even with me.
Mila (18:06):
like I'm pretty, I'm a pretty big fashionista, but we
had a girl interview at a priorjob and she came in.
She looked so cute.
Her outfit was like on point.
She had these like see-throughopen-toed shoes.
She had like rings on hertoenails, toes, what she had
like ankle bracelets.
She looked so cute like a supertight pencil skirt.
(18:27):
I was like I want to go outpartying with you.
You're so cute and so cool.
But I was like no, you're notgoing to work here though.
That's not a professional wayto dress.
And again, it's like know youraudience.
You obviously didn't do yourresearch, didn't look into where
you're applying.
Dean (18:44):
Read the room before you get inside the room.
Ilona (18:46):
Wrinkled suits.
Dean (18:49):
Red flag.
That just shows you don't care.
That's one trend I'll neversubscribe to.
Yeah, being wrinkled anything.
Yeah, sure, like that'swrinkled and dirty.
Ilona (18:57):
Can you give our viewers advice on what materials to
purchase that are not going toget wrinkled, if you're the kind
of person that just wearsthings straight out of a dry
cleaner or, I'm sorry, out ofyour dryer?
Dean (19:07):
Well, that's tough because most fabrics within I mean I
would say cotton blends tend tohold the least amount of wrinkle
.
But if you're someone like silkor some of the nicer stuff you
have to breathe that press, it'sjust going to be wrinkled.
Mila (19:24):
But I would say anything with a cotton blend is going to
be your friend.
So my next question is a juniorassociate shows up to an
interview with hair undone,looking like they just rolled
out of bed.
Double red flag yes, amen, ifyou don't care about yourself,
you don't care about others.
Dean (19:35):
I think the careless look like the effortless.
It takes a lot more work tolook effortless than actually
just not caring.
So that just taking care ofyourself again.
If you can't take care ofyourself, how are you going to?
Take care of any business thatwe give you right, yep, and to
me just says that you're rushed,you didn't care about, you
didn't set proper time.
(19:56):
My dad always said seven p'sprior.
Proper planning prevents pisspoor performance so, my god, I
need to write that down yeah,it's like every time I set my
head I think, I just I thinkabout everything I do.
It's like why were you late,why weren, why were you
unprepared, why didn't you knowwhat was going on at the law
firm interview, all that kind ofstuff you know.
So it's just the seven P's oflife.
Mila (20:16):
Anytime my son gets nervous about anything, I always
tell him like proper planning,If you're prepared, you will
never be nervous, because youhave nothing to be nervous about
.
Dean (20:26):
Exactly Like.
Sometimes you're nervous, ifyou care.
Mila (20:28):
Yeah.
Dean (20:29):
Because you want people to be able to feel all the emotion
that you've put into something.
Ilona (20:33):
Do you have experience with dressing people for a
courtroom?
Dean (20:36):
Yes, one of my good girlfriends.
She's an attorney and I justredid her wardrobe, her
professional wardrobe, and soone of the things we did was I
always say you should stick tosilhouettes and avoid prints
Going into a courtroom and asmuch as I love Gabbana, but
going into a courtroom dresshead to toe in Dolce Gabbana
with those loud prints, whileagain it's fabulous, it works in
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vogue, it is so distracting,right, and so your outfit should
be commanding and notdistracting when it comes to the
courtroom.
So strong silhouettes, strongcolors and the blues, the grays,
like pinstripe, not hot pink,even though we all are legally
blonde.
I'm a huge fan and I love, Ilove a pink or fuchsia wide leg
trouser in a courtroom, but itdoesn't work really well.
(21:18):
And when you do white, I alwayssay break it up.
And white symbolizes likeangelic right, like the angel
the savior.
So, depending upon what kind ofcourt case you're doing, Do it
for opening arguments?
Ilona (21:28):
I'd normally do it for my opening or closing arguments.
Dean (21:31):
Yes, oh, how's that Like?
Have you seen it?
Ilona (21:33):
I think I mean to me mentally works, is that's what I
associated with?
Okay, my side is a good side,the white side, so I'm not
presenting my story and when I'mdoing cross-examination I would
wear.
Mila (21:47):
Do you wear red lipstick with a white suit?
Ilona (21:51):
I wear whatever lipstick I can put on before I run out of
the house, so that I don't plan.
Mila (21:56):
I love a red lip with a white suit.
I think it looks fabulous.
Dean (22:00):
It reminds me of every time I see that combination.
It reminds me of Scandal,olivia Pope.
It's just so good thatcombination, that white with the
red, it's the white knight.
Yeah, it's so good.
It's so good, it's so good.
Yeah, definitely, stick to um.
I always think that courtroom.
Avoid skirts if you can.
I just think it's a distraction.
So, yeah, I mean, we did wear awardrobe, we did do some really
(22:20):
good pencil skirts.
I think it's important to bemindful of like slits.
You don't want anything that'sgoing to be too distracting
again, or too high or too tight.
I've seen that a lot of timestoo, where it's just so fitted
that we can just see so much ofthe contour of your body and
it's like this is not reallycourtroom, this is like dance
room ballroom type thing.
So it's just walk on that fineline and then shoulder pads too.
Be mindful of that.
Mila (22:41):
No shoulder pads or shoulder pads no no, like the
excessive shoulder pads.
Dean (22:44):
No bomb on right, Like I said, we love the dramatic
Olivier Rousteing.
Mila (22:48):
I love shoulder pads.
Dean (22:49):
But not big ones, not like 1980s, okay.
Mila (22:55):
I think it's important to note too, like how you present
is going to depend so much onyour confidence levels, and your
confidence levels are.
You know, people can deny itall they want, but people are
generally more confident whenthey are dressed nice.
Dean (23:11):
Yeah, when you look good, you feel good, and so no matter
what that means to you.
Ilona (23:16):
So it's about self-awareness, because if you
are dressed like shit, at leastlet's say you think that you
know someone's dressed like shit, but they feel amazing.
Dean (23:23):
Oh yeah, they feel confident.
Ilona (23:24):
They don't give a shit.
Dean (23:24):
They might have just given up too, or they just don't get
it.
Ilona (23:27):
So how do you become aware when you're not, like when
you don't know what to careabout?
Dean (23:31):
Well, I always say, when you walk into a room, what are
three things you want people tosay about your style?
And that's how you start right.
And I would say, in the yearsthat I've been doing this, I've
had maybe a handful of peoplewhose wardrobe actually align
with their words.
A lot of times people thinkthat they're conveying this
message and they're really notright.
So it's like, oh, I want to beknown as someone who is fashion
(23:53):
forward, edgy, um, buteverything in your closet is
like ralph lauren or ann taylorloft and it's like there's not
really edgier, fashion forward.
Right, you think maybe becauseyou have, like a leather jacket,
it's saying that, but overallit's being able to have that
fresh pair of eyes come in,identify what the message is and
then make sure that thewardrobe is congruent to that.
Ilona (24:11):
And I like it when I see older men or even older women.
I'm talking about 60s, 70s.
Dress up young because it makesyou think someone looking from
the outside hey, like they'restill living young lifestyle.
Mila (24:25):
Look at J-Lo.
Ilona (24:26):
She's like what, 50?
She's almost 60.
Mila (24:28):
She's not that old?
Ilona (24:28):
I'm not talking.
These are outliers.
I'm not talking.
Mila (24:31):
these are outliers I'm not talking about you know,
celebrities of the world.
Ilona (24:34):
I'm talking about regular people that are older but are
trying to dress young, likethey'll wear shoes that 20, 30
year old yeah, cool sneakers.
So they'll wear fun shirt orpants and a belt and they'll
style their hair if they stillhave hair, they'll style in a
certain way and just to lookyoung and it's like, oh, you
know, I don't know just kind oflevel with them more.
Dean (24:53):
It's nice to have that youthful soul.
Yeah, there's a youthfulnessthat lies there.
Right, and just being carefulthat we're not trying to like be
20, right, you're just dressingyouthful but not trying'll do
like a bruno cuccinelli sneakerand maybe like a lightly
(25:18):
distressed, dead dark denim, andso just taking some of those
trends and making them feel Ihate saying this word, but like
age appropriate.
So he's not like wearingshredded jeans to the max you
can see his knee like.
It's not that much.
Ilona (25:29):
So, again, just taking those cool little youthful
styles and making it their own Ithink I also have those
self-limiting beliefs now where,you know, when I was younger,
I'm like I can wear anything.
Holes here, holes there, splitsup to here and I'm like all
right, I'm an attorney.
I'm it's you know 45 years oldnow.
I have kids, I have a business,I have to portray a certain
(25:51):
image, so I can't look like ahooker if I go out.
Dean (25:54):
It's all about moderation, everything in moderation.
Mila (25:59):
I'm so bad at moderation, I'm awful at it.
Ilona (26:06):
If you want my mom will give you a call and she'll set
you straight.
Mila (26:11):
I think I need that in my life.
Dean (26:14):
Hopefully you have that inner voice being like don't do
it.
Don't do it.
Just because you can wear itdoesn't mean you should wear it
out.
So I would just say some thingsyou just keep in the comfort of
your home.
Ilona (26:24):
Who's the audience is another thing.
Dean (26:26):
Exactly.
Ilona (26:27):
If you're going to go to the beach and be with a bunch of
teenagers or young people, it'sone thing.
If you're going to look thatway in a room where you're in a
professional setting, you justhave to know your audience and
be self-aware.
But I think that's where a lotof people lack that
self-awareness.
They don't know how to dressfor the occasion.
They don't worry about it inCalifornia, yes, 100%.
Dean (26:50):
They don't worry about it in california.
Yes, a hundred percent.
And I and I one of the thingsthat drives me crazy, and I just
hear my grandmother and grandpaalways saying is like there's
no such thing as beingoverdressed right for an event.
The worst thing you could do isbe underdressed yeah and I
think people uh have a hard timeregulating like the difference
between, like, a black tie orcocktail attire, and they come
in with sneakers and jeans andit it's like, well, that's not
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what it actually means, right.
Ilona (27:14):
I feel like in the last two months I've had a lot of
those experiences where Istarted almost like doubting
myself Do I have highexpectations here?
Am I like some snob who justexpects people to be dressed up
and look professional at certainevents?
Like, for example, I go to thisone event where it was supposed
to be this business mixer and Ithink I was the only person who
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was dressed up Because peoplethey were wearing white socks
with sandals that have the onesthat stick on each other.
And I was like that's not whereI thought I was going.
Dean (27:47):
That's not the vibe we were giving.
Mila (27:48):
So what would you say for someone who's a party to a
lawsuit, like a plaintiff or adefendant?
How would you recommend thatthey would dress?
Dean (27:55):
So are they guilty Great question Are they guilty?
Or not.
Mila (27:59):
Everything is arguable.
Dean (28:00):
Exactly that's why we're here, that's how they paste the
big box.
Allegedly Keep it simple, right,like the acronym KISS.
Keep it simple, stupid.
You can never go wrong with allblack right and no labels,
obviously, because people arevery judgmental if you go out
there, especially if you'reconsidered someone who has
wealth.
You come in there with you know, gucci head to toe.
(28:21):
Again, it just it really it'soff putting to the jury.
There's people in general,right, and it's like, oh,
they're a rich asshole, heprobably did it, we're going to
send him away, no matter whatthe facts say.
So just be mindful.
No labels, super simple, andthink about.
In my case, I would say, whatwould my parents wear?
Yeah, right, Because again, Ithink people would take.
(28:43):
This is probably going to soundbad, but people who take jury
duty the most serious, I think,are the generation above us.
It's like the last ones whoreally do, because I know a lot
of my friends are like, oh, Ihate jury duty, it's a pain in
the ass, like they don't havethat.
That civic duty is not so high,and so what would my parents
dress like?
Because that's who I wouldimagine would be considered a
peer.
Ilona (28:59):
That's a good tip.
Dean (29:00):
Yeah.
Mila (29:00):
And keeping in mind that juries are people, exactly, the
judge is a person andtechnically it's supposed to be
neutral and they're supposed tolook at the facts.
But you know humans, like yousaid, it's an animalistic
tendency to judge other peopleand a lot of those judgments
will come from how you presentOkay and a lot of those
judgments will come from how youpresent.
Ilona (29:19):
Okay, what if someone has no clue where to start?
Dean (29:21):
Well, they call me.
I always say start a mood board, right, like, pick up some
magazines and find out whatinspires you.
I know that sounds like cheesy,but you spend so much of the
day wearing clothes.
You should find something thatyou actually like, right, what
colors that you actually like,what patterns you like, things
like that and just create alittle mood board.
You can just do it on yourphone, nothing crazy.
Just try on some of the clothes.
(29:41):
Understand what some of thefits are like fabrics.
Read the tags.
Every time I'm with the clientI make them read the tags so
they understand slim fit versusskinny, versus athletic.
Really get to understand whatyou're going to be putting.
Ilona (29:53):
Can you explain those styles what they should be
looking for?
So, depending on what you'rebuilt like, right, so you're
talking about men or women,right now Everyone, so this is
across the board.
Dean (30:01):
Yeah, but men are simpler, right, so you can make it as
simple as possible.
Men will love that rightSimplicity.
So again, just knowing the mostuniversal style for a man
that's going to work perfectlyis a slim straight.
It doesn't matter if you're alittle chunky, if you're really,
really thin.
A slim straight pant is goingto work for you 9.99999 times
(30:22):
out of 10.
So all you have to do is lookat the back of the tag and see
If it says skinny, don't do it.
Mila (30:26):
If it says athletic or oversized.
Dean (30:28):
Don't do it, unless you're a really good fashion guy.
Ilona (30:34):
I'm going to play this for my son, because he wants
everything oversized.
And your husband.
Dean (30:43):
What do you say to people who think that style is shallow
or that don't have any time forit?
That's an interesting question,one I think that there are.
If we're just going to be frank, they're lying because they
have a style themselves.
Style is basically how you wearsomething repeatedly.
How you wear somethingrepeatedly.
So, no matter if you think youdon't have style, you
continuously, every day, wake upand try and fight the trends of
(31:04):
L, the trends of all this kindof stuff.
So that is your style.
You have a rebellious style.
So, even when you think youdon't have style, there's style
in there, and so everyone hastime.
If you have time to brush yourteeth, you have time to watch
Netflix.
You have time to eat, you havetime to watch netflix.
You have time to eat.
You have time to develop style.
So, essentially, what you'retelling me is that you have
enough time to live in the world, but you don't have enough time
to care about what you looklike doing so or how others
(31:27):
perceive you, and I think thatis just bullshit.
It just really gets down to thecore of your confidence and
helps to um emote that what'sthe best advice you have given
someone on Fox 5 show lookingback?
I did a makeover on this mom.
So she was going throughdivorce and she had put all of
(31:48):
her focus into getting herdaughter to college and so she
really was something like stylewasn't really her thing, and so
I never forget this.
And so, uh, I never forget this.
I put her in this like blackand maroon top, the sequined
skirt and these like balletflats, because I believe in that
you style for someone's lifelike she's not a heel woman, so
(32:10):
putting her heels is not goingto be beneficial.
If anything, she might see howwell she looks in it and maybe
she can't use them for agethings like that.
It would make her feel worse,right?
So it's like giving her a cutelike really cute flat to do that
.
And I mean I went to her housebefore we did the on-air segment
to make sure everything fit.
And then she starts crying andI start crying.
Ilona (32:31):
I was like oh my.
Mila (32:31):
God.
Dean (32:34):
Like she just never thought that she could like look
so pretty.
And I think you know women,when they have focused on being
a mother, being a wife, being acareer person, it's so easy for
you for women rather, who arenaturally nurturing to forget
about themselves.
So it's like all the water isgoing out but none of it's
coming in.
Yes, and then you have nothingand you know you don't feel like
the beautiful flower that youare.
Mila (32:54):
Yes.
Dean (32:55):
And so that was it to this day.
I probably done maybe like ahundred and some segments.
That will always be my numberone segment.
I love that.
It's just.
It's why I do what I do, right.
I love seeing people just thatconfidence, right?
People may think it's so silly,but watching someone go
slouching putting on somethinggreat being like, and seeing
(33:15):
them light up and just like,well, you're going to start
crying, so I'm going to.
Yeah.
Ilona (33:19):
What do you put on to feel good about yourself when
you're having a shitty day?
Dean (33:22):
A robe.
It's so funny.
I love my.
What kind of robe.
Tell us what kind of robe it is.
It's a cheetah print it's acheetah print it's a white plush
robe from Revlon.
Yeah, it's just something it's,and I put I don't take it out
very often, but I'm having arough day, I'll just put it on.
Mila (33:40):
I love that.
Dean (33:40):
It just is comfortable.
And I love clothes, I love whatI do, but sometimes for me it's
the escape.
Yeah, so it's just like I'mjust going to sit on my rope.
Ilona (33:51):
So for this glam tip of the week, we're going to hear
from Dean.
Dean (33:55):
Yes, I would say the glam tip would be to put a little bit
of extra cologne or perfumebehind your ear.
Go to Sephora, get the samples,because when you heat up it
interacts differently whenyou're cold.
So just spray some on for aweek, see how your body reacts
to it and you're good.
Ilona (34:10):
I used to spray myself with a ton of perfume and I
didn't feel it.
Now, when somebody spraysthemselves at least twice, it's
too much for me.
Like one spray is enough, youmust hate being around me.
No, I don't smell you Really.
Actually, I do smell you, butit's not that bad.
Dean (34:26):
It's Chanel.
I mean, it's not that bad.
You don't smell like that.
It's not that bad, it'stolerable.
Ilona (34:33):
It's Chanel.
Dean (34:33):
It's tolerable.
We'll take it, it's fine.
Ilona (34:35):
It's not too much, it's normal.
Dean (34:38):
That's one thing, too, that drives me crazy is people
put on cologne like it's rosewater.
They just start spraying iteverywhere and it's like that's
not how you do that, right, butif you have nice clothes,
because what it does is it'lljust start to disintegrate the
materials and things like thatyou have cashmere and silks and
things like that.
So I always say just spray ithere, boom, and then here this.
I always say just spray it here, boom, and then here.
(34:58):
This way that people when theycome talk to you they go oh,
that smells good, but it's notoverbearing.
Ilona (35:05):
Spraying it on your neck and that, that's just.
It's a lot.
In former Sabine we used to puta little bit here, a little bit
here, here, here.
That's how it was taught.
Yeah, me too, I just spray itonce here.
Mila (35:12):
I spray here this, and then I just it's so interesting
because scent is such a strongsense and I think that your
perfume makes such a strongstatement about you.
I remember when I was growingup.
Some of my memories with my momare always associated with Coco
Chanel Mademoiselle, mixed with120 Capri's.
Dean (35:35):
Oh my.
Mila (35:36):
God Menthols.
Dean (35:37):
My Nana June.
Oh my God, those long scents.
My Nana June smoked those shoes, oh my God.
Menthols, oh my God, those long, oh my.
Mila (35:41):
God.
So, like every time, I wouldlike put my my face on my mom's
like chest.
It would be the combination ofCoco Chanel, Mademoiselle and
Capri's.
Ilona (35:52):
Does not sound good to me .
It's not so good.
Mila (35:56):
I do like the Coco Chanel Mademoiselle.
Ilona (35:59):
Yeah, but it's like a core memory for me.
It's surprising you didn't uhcreate a negative association
with coco chanel after a mixwith the cigarette smell.
Dean (36:08):
Yeah, and it's no, it's opposite.
Mila (36:09):
I now enjoy the smell of cigarette smoke because it, like
, reminds me of childhood.
It's nostalgic yeah so what'snext for you?
Dean (36:17):
so right now I'm working on a book.
It's called start with style.
I believe uh anyone wanting tostart, uh, being curious about
fashion.
Or if you're going through achange in your life you've lost
weight, you've got a promotion,you unfortunately gone through a
divorce, um, or you're going toa different country, what are
some of the key things that youcan do to make sure that your
style translates wherever you'regoing?
So I do things like how tocreate a cologne bar in there,
(36:40):
what makes a good tailor, whatmakes a good cobbler, uh, proper
underwear, things like that.
So it's really going to be aguide, like a how to thing for
both men and women.
For both yeah.
No boxers for men no boxersfrom it or thongs.
Ilona (36:55):
Dean, thank you for reminding us that image is power
and that women can dresshowever they want to feel
confident and successful.
Mila (37:01):
Remember, whether you're in Louboutins or loafers,
courtroom or cocktail hour, yourstyle speaks volumes.
Ilona (37:09):
And we're here to help you say what needs to be said.
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