In this episode of The Golf Intervention, we kick things off with a quick fantasy football check-in before diving into some of the worst swing advice floating around social media. We break down why constantly changing your swing based on social media trends will hamper your development.
We focus on what golfers should work on first (everything besides the swing).
We also dig into the mindset challenges that hold players back—whether it’s frustration on the course, unrealistic expectations, or mental hurdles that stop progress. Plus, we explore practical ways to build a process-driven approach to improvement instead of chasing quick fixes.
🔊 Tune in now and take the next step in your golf journey!
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Eric (00:25):
And welcome back to the Golf Intervention Podcast.
Rob Fales has a, has a superflex dynasty startup draft
tomorrow.
What is, what is going on?
We're going to talk about thatand other things today on the
Golf Intervention Podcast.
Rob Failes (00:41):
Yeah.
Eric (00:42):
Welcome back Rob Fales.
We don't even have like,
Rob Failes (00:45):
see you again.
Eric (00:46):
we went live.
We really have to be realhonest.
I like texted Robbie like oneline of what I was thinking we'd
talk about.
That's it.
This is going to be like livechatter.
This is going to be really good.
Um, cause there's things I'vegot on my mind and I can't wait
to kind of.
Discuss it with Rob Fales.
We've been off the air for alittle while, for good reason
though, Robby traveled with hisCode Breakers group, and if
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you're not aware of what hisCode Breakers group is, it's
really, I think, golfinstructors helping golf
instructors is kind of what itfeels like to me.
Golf coaches out there, um,doing some education, so they
had a retreat, and that, he hadRaymond Pryor, Dr.
Mike Kay, That had to have beenphenomenal.
(01:30):
Familiar voices and faces to thegolf intervention.
Um, and, and then I guess theweek after we got an award, a
PGA sports media award for thegolf intervention podcast, which
is pretty awesome.
So we were at a black tie eventin Washington, D.
C., greater Washington, D.
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C.
area, and we in a very surrealmoment.
Received a sports media awardfrom Jimmy Roberts of NBC
sports, Emmy award winning, likeone of the all time greats.
I mean, such a great, I mean,big fan.
I've been a big fan of JimmyRoberts for many, but he used to
be on ESPN, if I believe I canremember correctly, but he's
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just good.
And he was so good.
He was so nice.
And he said, quote, I think Ineed a golf intervention.
I thought that was awesome.
Rob Failes (02:22):
He did.
Eric (02:24):
He asked us some cool questions.
He took pictures with us wasvery kind.
Um, so it was,
Rob Failes (02:30):
kept having flashbacks to the Olympics.
Like when, when, you know,watching the winter Olympics,
summer Olympics, you know, withhis work with NBC, I always
remember hearing his voice.
And so I was like, where am I atright now?
Eric (02:42):
always has something poignant to say.
That's the thing with JimmyRoberts is like, you can take a
moment and just like saysomething really good.
He told some cool stories, butyeah, just like sitting on the
stage.
And I even said.
Rob Failes (02:53):
Yeah.
Eric (03:05):
wrap my mind around that.
So, I want to thank the middleAtlantic PGA section, the folks
that nominated us and voted forus.
That was pretty cool.
And, uh, obviously all the hardwork, uh, for the section office
and people to put that togetherwas really fun.
Um, a couple of days, my wifewent up and stayed with me and
then we had education the nextday.
So we had a PGA meeting andeducation.
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So anyway,
Rob Failes (03:26):
patients.
Eric (03:27):
there we are.
And then last week I think youwere on the move again.
So here we are.
We're back
Rob Failes (03:31):
we are.
You're back.
Eric (03:32):
a brand new episode of the golf intervention podcast.
And most importantly, you have astartup fantasy football.
Super flex dynasty draft comingup and I, and I have to admit,
I'm a bit of a degeneratefantasy football player.
Not going to lie.
People come to me for advice.
I've won many, many leaguesmany, many times.
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And I love dynasty.
So dynasty, for those of youdon't know, you just keep your
players forever.
You know, you draft a team andthen super flex means, you know,
you actually can play well, youcan play it.
You know, a flex player, whichwe all kind of know, but it
could be a quarterback in asuper flex.
So when you're drafting superflex quarterbacks become a very
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premium position.
Rob Failes (04:18):
Yes.
Eric (04:19):
And I am, you can see by my shirt, if you're looking on
video, a Steeler fan born andbred.
Rob Failes (04:24):
are wondering who is going to play quarterback for
the Pittsburgh Steelers, Eric,who's
Eric (04:29):
Listen, I'll take Mason Rudolph over the old dudes that
they're trying to sign all daylong.
Give me Mason Rudolph at4Million a year, sign a bunch of
free agents and then we'll goon.
That's what I'm thinking.
But your question was, you havethe number one pick in a
startup.
Rob Failes (04:48):
one.
Yeah,
Eric (04:50):
So I would say as a Steeler fan, so there's no bias
here.
There's a lot of WashingtonRedskins fans.
I still call them the Redskinsaround here.
Um, Jaden Daniels has got to bein the conversation for that,
for that one on one.
Rob Failes (05:06):
I think I'm going to click him.
Eric (05:08):
Are you a, are you a commander's guy?
Is that your team?
Rob Failes (05:11):
I'm not a commander's guy.
I'm a big Jane Daniels fan.
I tell you that.
I mean, he's He won me overactually, like I really enjoyed
watching him his last year thereat LSU, actually.
And so I was for him in hisfirst year and to see him do as
well as he did, um, I don'tknow, he's, he's got a fan in
me, so
Eric (05:31):
Oh,
Rob Failes (05:31):
to click him,
Eric (05:32):
so good.
So I drafted him in Dynasty lastyear.
Uh, not super flex, but I'mreally glad I did.
Cause He's awesome.
So, uh,
Rob Failes (05:41):
late ish, right?
You
Eric (05:42):
yeah,
Rob Failes (05:44):
5th?
Eric (05:45):
I got him 10th.
I got him 10th because you know,it's
Rob Failes (05:48):
Oh my
Eric (05:50):
I mean, yeah, no, it was it was a good pick.
Rob Failes (05:52):
absurd.
Eric (05:53):
So
Rob Failes (05:55):
That's crazy.
That's awesome.
Eric (05:57):
Quickly some other names.
I mean, I think sake one isstill in the conversation when
you play dynasty It's really athree row three.
I think it's a three yearrevolving window that you're
looking at I think I think sakeone has three really good years
left.
So think sake one still has tobe in the conversation there
He's generational.
Unbelievable.
Could take you to thechampionship.
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Um, yeah, so I don't know.
The wide receivers are allreally good chase Jefferson, but
I think you got to get widereceiver later.
So I don't know.
I think it boils down to a fewquarterbacks.
Josh Allen's got to be in theconversation.
Rob Failes (06:34):
and
Eric (06:34):
He's got plenty of time, but Jaden Daniels, just he's got
such a long career ahead of.
Yeah, such a long career and he.
He made
Rob Failes (06:45):
too.
Eric (06:46):
football look really easy for a rookie last year.
It was really pretty impressive.
So he turned these Steeler fanswho've been living in
commander's country for betterpart of 20 plus years.
Um, we started liking thecommanders last year too, cause
that they were fun to watch.
So anyhow, back to the golfintervention
Rob Failes (07:06):
Oh, man, this is a
Eric (07:08):
wasn't that fun?
Wasn't that fun?
Rob Failes (07:10):
podcast.
Eric (07:11):
maybe we're setting up a spinoff show.
That's what we're doing.
Setting up a spinoff.
Yeah, we could, we couldactually do some,
Rob Failes (07:20):
it.
Eric (07:20):
yeah, we have some real,
Rob Failes (07:22):
think, I think we could
Eric (07:23):
golf pros are such degenerates.
I mean, we could bring on somepeople who are pretty serious
about, about fantasy football inall kinds of ways.
Um, so anyway.
Let's get back to the to the
Rob Failes (07:35):
do it.
Eric (07:44):
which we said we hadn't taken on, uh, the swing itself.
We kind of took on everythingelse around the swing itself
until the end.
And we really had to take it onin a way that was like.
The golf intervention way,right?
And what we thought about theswing in general, um, and how we
currently understand it.
Cause I think it's always anevolving thing, right?
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Like we learn, we learn thingsall the time.
Like I, I learned things, Ilearned things from Dr.
Mike K that I hadn't really.
Thought about before.
And so this, the swing itselfand it's understanding is in a
very evolutionary phase.
I think a very good place ifyou're someone who likes to
study the golf swing mechanics,but it's also a very problematic
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place, in my opinion,
Rob Failes (08:29):
place,
Eric (08:30):
the problematic place is that people are obsessed with
the golf swing.
They're obsessed with it.
Rob Failes (08:37):
Yes.
Today's episode,
Eric (08:39):
episode, when I, when I texted you, I said, Hey, maybe
we do an episode on sort of likehidden pitfalls that are sort of
impeding people's developments,right?
Constraints pitfalls, thingsthat people don't realize are
actually kind of like.
Messing them up.
And my biggest one on thatcurrently has gotta be the
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obsession with the look of thegolf swing and this like,
Rob Failes (09:06):
the geometry, right?
Eric (09:07):
yeah, it's driving me nuts.
If there's anything that youhave, the listener took away
from.
That series that we did on thegolf swing, which is kind of a
loose series, few episodes.
I count the Mike K episode inthere a little bit on the golf
swing.
All that was golf swings.
Listen, if you take anythingaway, it's this, I'm going to,
Rob Failes (09:27):
away.
Eric (09:27):
to summarize it in a sentence that you need to
remember.
Rob Failes (09:30):
So I
Eric (09:32):
understand this.
And I hate to say this.
I think very few
Rob Failes (09:35):
I think
Eric (09:35):
golf instructors understand this as well.
So hopefully,
Rob Failes (09:39):
possibly
Eric (09:40):
be a positive.
Rob Failes (09:41):
and and
Eric (09:44):
of golfers and teachers.
Ready?
That your golf swing
Rob Failes (09:49):
golf
Eric (09:49):
gives you access to your golf skills.
Okay?
Rob Failes (09:53):
golf skills.
Eric (09:55):
skills and golf swings are two different things.
Rob Failes (09:58):
Or two different
Eric (09:59):
Okay?
Rob Failes (10:00):
A hundred percent.
Eric (10:01):
they're not completely You know, separate.
But, but what I'm saying is
Rob Failes (10:06):
I'm saying is,
Eric (10:07):
the obsession with golf swings is killing golfers,
killing them.
Rob Failes (10:12):
way.
Eric (10:13):
and the,
Rob Failes (10:14):
hundred
Eric (10:14):
the problem is every time you open Instagram or every time
I would say Instagram, I don'thave tick tock, but I think it's
just as bad.
Probably every time you open itup, you're.
You're just hit with all thiscrazy golf swing stuff, and I'm
Rob Failes (10:29):
Crazy, the
Eric (10:33):
now of people who don't teach golf, and frankly,
probably don't play it verywell, and they think they're
golf swing experts.
And they, they have these pagesthat, I saw a guy, Robbie, I
mean, this is where I kind oflike, this post had 4,
Rob Failes (10:47):
I
Eric (10:49):
likes.
It was some dude in corduroywith his pants hanging down,
standing on a mat in a field.
Talking about how he's inventeda golf swing that everyone
should do.
Okay, you need to close yourstance
Rob Failes (11:06):
can push
Eric (11:10):
throughout the whole swing and smash down on the ball
Rob Failes (11:13):
already.
Mm hmm.
Hmm.
There's Right.
Eric (11:32):
history.
What we are seeing is thatpeople have a very huge lack of
understanding about whatactually makes them score
better.
What actually makes them scorebetter, right?
It's not their swing.
It's their ability to use theirswing to create skills that
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produce shots in the moment thatproduce scores.
So we can, right.
I mean, we've harped on this,you know, through the thing.
But it started to like kind ofmake me nuts.
I just literally was sittinghere.
Wait for you to come on.
Jackson was being, he was, hedidn't want to go to bed
tonight.
Sounds like
Rob Failes (12:08):
No.
Yep.
Eric (12:09):
he was wanting to watch bluey or something.
It was blue.
It was bluey on.
Is he a big bluey guy?
Is he like bluey?
Rob Failes (12:15):
Uh, he's, he's big into reading at night.
Eric (12:18):
Oh, he likes reading.
Rob Failes (12:19):
he
Eric (12:20):
Perfect.
Rob Failes (12:21):
I got to, I was like, all right, Jackson, one
more.
And then I'd finished the book.
And he's like, no, one more.
And I
Eric (12:26):
One more daddy.
Rob Failes (12:27):
say no?
Eric (12:28):
You can't say no.
You can't say that.
Listen.
Rob Failes (12:30):
No.
Eric (12:31):
I have kids that love to read.
You got to read to them.
It's the best thing you can do.
So, as I'm sitting herescrolling through my, through my
stuff, there was this, this guy,one of the, one of these guys
that doesn't teach golf, but hethinks he's a golf swing expert,
pops up in my feet all the time.
And he says, um, he can'tunderstand why Cameron Champ
isn't like the best player onthe tour.
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Look at his swing.
It's perfect.
And here's video of himchipping.
Well, look, there's nothingwrong with his chipping.
Here's his putting stroke.
Look, the mechanics of hisPunning Stroke look fine.
They look fine to me.
He should be the best player onthe tour.
Could you miss the pointanymore?
Could you miss the point anymore than that?
Rob Failes (13:10):
Yes.
Eric (13:11):
You see what I'm saying?
There's plenty of people withswi Yes, Cameron Tramp has great
speed, he hits the ball f Great.
I have no idea about what hisstats are like.
But Your ability to produceshots when you need them in the
way that you need to is thething that gives you the skills.
That's where you have the skillsto make the scores.
Obviously, if he was making thescores, it's not the mechanics
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that are doing it, right?
You could have Tiger Woodsputting stroke, but if you can't
control the speed or read agreen, you're going to be a
terrible putter, right?
So, point being, if there'sanything that you take away
Rob Failes (13:45):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Eric (13:55):
what you call the geometry or the look or the sort of
general understanding andmechanics of the swing without
understanding the relevance tohow that gives you access to
your skills, you are probablyputting yourself in this
terrible loop of trying this andtrying that and changing this
and changing that.
Rob Failes (14:13):
this.
Eric (14:14):
Your access to your skills.
Changes every time and itprobably doesn't immediately
give it may, it may get better,may not get better.
The fields are going to changeand then all of a sudden you're
going to have to try to findthat again as well.
So I don't know.
I'm a little bit, I said I wasfired up.
I guess I'm more fired up than Ithought I was.
I
Rob Failes (14:31):
up.
Eric (14:32):
what I had for dinner that was spicy.
But the point is, this is whatwe see as coaches.
Rob Failes (14:38):
100%.
Eric (14:40):
And isn't it fair, you know, you, you teach at a place,
you teach at a, at a publicfacilities that people, you
probably see more cross sectionof people than I do.
And I'm lucky because a lot ofthe people that come to see me,
they trust, they, they know meand they trust me.
I've been teaching there for 18years, right?
Rob Failes (14:56):
Yes.
Eric (14:57):
I don't have people walking in my bay who I teach a
lot are like, Hey, yeah, like.
Um, I saw this thing and I'mtrying it tomorrow.
Like, it doesn't happen a ton.
Right.
Um, what do you think about theGenkis internal shoulder thing?
Like, that just doesn't happen aton.
Why?
Because they trust what they'relearning from their coaches.
Right.
But I see it a ton in newstudents and I see it for people
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who I'm friends with that playgolf.
Right.
Who are like, trying to learnand get better outside of my
country club world.
Right.
Like, friends of mine.
Um, what are you seeing on yourlesson team?
It's kind of.
Are you seeing a similar,
Rob Failes (15:32):
Similar.
Eric (15:33):
a similar deal out there of people kind of like
constantly chasing their tail intheir golf swing and not really
in it?
Right.
Rob Failes (15:44):
the first few minutes.
I'll ask them how, how can Ihelp today is really usually my
first question I'll ask evenreturning students.
And it's amazing how often theyjump straight to about positions
of the golf club, where they arein space, right?
saw this video that says I needto do this, right?
Um, it's, it's, it's all thetime.
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It's all the time.
And so, um, I'm constantlyfighting that battle in the
lesson tea of getting them tounderstand that the shot and the
swing are separate, right?
There's this whole skill piecein the middle that we need to
not completely glance over.
Right.
And what that actually lookslike is, uh, is very
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counterintuitive to a lot ofgolfers.
Cause I mean, like going back tosome of the Dr.
Prior stuff, we can talk aboutlike A shape beliefs versus V
shape beliefs, right?
So I'm on the video, I'm makingthis, uh, this kind of, uh, an A
shape between my two hands here,where the top very little space
between my fingers, the bottom,quite a bit of space between my
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palms.
So the top is going to be ourperceived margin of error.
is our perceived consequences.
So a lot of people believeagain, swing creates shot,
right?
So they believe that if the shotisn't what they want, then it
was a swing issue, right?
And so it becomes as very muchlike, okay, was the shot good or
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bad, which is a subjectiveopinion.
then the only solution to badshot is Better swing.
right.
Well, what does that mean?
Again, that's subjective aswell.
So we get out of this very sortof objective based feedback loop
of is the bottom of the swing inspace?
Where is the face relative tothe path?
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Where is the speed relative toyour intent?
And we get into this very ofjudgmental, Oh, well, if that
ball didn't go where I wantedto, then there was something
wrong with my swing.
And that just gets golfers downthis rabbit hole of believing
they have to create this perfectgolf swing to create quote,
unquote, perfect shots.
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I mean, there's, there's nothingreally more destructive to a
golfer's long term improvementthan that belief.
In my opinion,
Eric (18:00):
Because it,
Rob Failes (18:01):
the, the, the inverse, right.
If I'm going to go the opposite,right.
So you've got V shaped beliefs,right.
On the top is a ton of perceivedmargin of error at the bottom is
very short term temporaryexternal consequences, right?
So if we believe that, Hey, Ican swing the club, but really
the things that are creating theshot are the skills.
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Which there are three main onesand they're always predictions,
right?
So we don't know before swingingthe golf club exactly where the
bomb, the swing is going to be,the face to path is going to be,
where the speed is going to be,So I'm making a very much a kind
of like a feel prediction thosethree skills with the swing that
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I have, assuming I'm swingingfreely, right?
Which is the thing that kind ofstacks the odds in our favor
that we produce our prediction,which is what a lot of people
are looking for.
But, If we start to understandlike, Hey, I don't have control.
Like I can swing the club in alot of different ways, right?
create the shot that I'm tryingto create.
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As long as I'm getting better atpredicting those skills.
Right.
And, and for me that, that opensgolfers up to say, Oh, like I
don't have to have.
This idea of this amazing, likeperfect golf swing.
I can actually take what I havecurrently and go out and play a
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lot better golf, um, play a lotfreer golf, And have more
perceived, you know, morepredictability over what the
golf ball is doing.
Um, is a, a fun thing to showgolfers.
And oftentimes they'll say, Oh,I wasn't really expecting that.
I was like, yeah, it's
Eric (19:42):
right,
Rob Failes (19:42):
you give me.
Eric (19:43):
right.
Um, if I, yes, I totally agreebecause then they're They're
chasing to your point where youwere saying they, they blame the
swing for the shot.
Right?
You know, then they chase, theycheck, they want to change.
Right?
So this will happen in a lesson.
Sometimes I know you coachpeople up on this.
This is a mindset change.
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In my opinion is like.
Hey, you know, I know thisthing's going on.
We, we do some diagnostics.
We're doing what, you know,we're trying to
Rob Failes (20:11):
whatever,
Eric (20:12):
them through the process of whatever it is they're
working on.
Could be swing change, could beskill work, could be something.
Right.
Um, and there's a percentage ofpeople that'll make like a swing
at it and go like, well, thatdidn't work.
Like, Oh, I hit that bad.
Right.
Rob Failes (20:27):
exactly,
Eric (20:28):
And we know like, yeah, well, I know you hit it bad.
I was watching, like I watchedthousands of shots every day and
I know
Rob Failes (20:33):
mean,
Eric (20:33):
hit that bad.
Rob Failes (20:34):
see
Eric (20:35):
Let's, let's relax for a second.
And let's, let's, let's workthrough that intent again and
again and again and see where itgoes, right?
Always try to judge.
Are we going in the rightdirection?
Are we going in the wrongdirection?
But the point is, Um, you're notgoing to gain control of
whatever it is we're working onin a swing.
It's not going to happen in oneswing.
Rob Failes (20:55):
you
Eric (20:56):
you've got to sort of work through it a little bit.
Rob Failes (20:58):
through it
Eric (20:58):
Um,
Rob Failes (20:59):
bit.
Eric (21:00):
what happens if you're not being coached up?
Rob Failes (21:02):
doing what you
Eric (21:02):
I'm someone who's intelligent.
Rob Failes (21:04):
who's
Eric (21:04):
a hard worker.
I research things.
When I, I'm a figure outer,right?
For lack of a better term, like,
Rob Failes (21:10):
my product.
I'm
Eric (21:12):
something's wrong with my car.
I'm going to try to figure thatout, right?
I'm going to figure out what'sgoing on there.
Or, um, You know, Hey, um,
Rob Failes (21:19):
you know,
Eric (21:19):
something's going on with my health.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna try tofigure that out right before I
go to the doctor or with thedoctor.
I'm gonna do my own research.
All that stuff is good, right?
There's there's a, there's,
Rob Failes (21:28):
There's
Eric (21:28):
there's benefits all that and engulf to probably,
Rob Failes (21:31):
don't take long.
Eric (21:32):
but at the end of the day, then, you know, you're taking
this perceived knowledge thatyou have.
Rob Failes (21:37):
and you're trying
Eric (21:40):
it into something that you don't have a great feel for.
And I'm just being honest withthat, right?
Rob Failes (21:44):
about.
Eric (21:44):
Most golfers don't have a great feel of where their body
and club are as they're swingingit.
They don't.
So what feedback are theygetting?
They hit the shot and they go,bad shot, bad swing, bad shot,
bad swing, right?
And no, no, on the, on theInstagram P1, P3, P5, P
whatever.
Rob Failes (22:02):
I was told this is bad.
That means this must be good,right?
Eric (22:06):
I saw three different things and I swear I don't try
to look at me just like asyou're flipping through reels
like I love reels, by the way,like, if there's anything I like
about.
Social media.
It's the hysterical like 30second reels that people do on
all kinds of things.
Like they just crack me up,right?
So like if I'm bored and I'mlike, you know chilling in my
bed Whatever I'm flippingthrough drinking my coffee and
(22:27):
these things pop up and I sawanother Do these two things for
a perfect backswing perfectbackswing?
There's no Write this down,people.
Rob Failes (22:38):
There is no perfect
Eric (22:39):
There's no such thing as a perfect backswing.
And all that tip can do is hurtyou because you're going to
search for the perfectbackswing, right?
And you're going to try to do itbecause you have a belief.
So here's another thing, whileI'm fired up about it.
These people know they're nothelping anybody.
Okay, that's not that's not whatthey're trying to do.
They're trying to gain theirnotary
Rob Failes (23:01):
what they want.
Eric (23:02):
correct.
Rob Failes (23:03):
want Yes.
Eric (23:05):
They and they're using that to get what they want,
which is eyeballs on them,right?
Rob Failes (23:09):
No,
Eric (23:09):
that gives them influence.
Rob Failes (23:11):
If you
Eric (23:12):
know full well in places that they don't talk about in
public
Rob Failes (23:16):
here.
Eric (23:16):
they are quote unquote helping nobody.
It's just part of what they doto get eyeballs on themselves.
Now, am I being critical?
But I'm not trying to becritical, but I do want to
protect my students.
If you tune into the golfintervention, it's because we
think you need an intervention,right?
And that part of theintervention is, I don't know
what I don't know.
That's why we call this showwhat we called it.
Rob Failes (23:35):
this
Eric (23:35):
It starts with, I don't know what I don't know.
That's why we started with it.
And in this sense, you have torealize that random swing
information isn't going to helpyou.
And I have a good story on thisfrom the other day.
Rob Failes (23:49):
that
Eric (23:50):
came in, super smart guy,
Rob Failes (23:52):
super smart
Eric (23:52):
a couple years, put a, actually, very good, I mean,
he's a newer member, just acouple years, I don't, didn't
know him very well.
Rob Failes (23:59):
didn't
Eric (24:00):
Good looking swing.
Like, if you take, okay,geometry of the swing, he looked
like, if you watched him fromthe other end of the range,
you'd go like, oh, that guy,good swing, right?
Good balance and rhythm andfollow through.
Rob Failes (24:10):
good arm movement.
And
Eric (24:11):
And
Rob Failes (24:11):
it's a good story.
Eric (24:12):
he came to me and he said, Eric, I just can't play.
Rob Failes (24:15):
I have
Eric (24:16):
I can't play.
This is the first lesson, right?
Rob Failes (24:17):
this is a first lesson.
Eric (24:18):
Um, okay.
What's the problem?
I hook everything like miles.
I'm like, okay.
So we start kind of looking atit
Rob Failes (24:25):
start having a
Eric (24:25):
and we do the diagnosis and I'm like, you know what?
Rob Failes (24:28):
and I'm not
Eric (24:28):
Um, here's what I think this is what you're doing.
I think you did a little bit toomuch of this too much of that
Rob Failes (24:33):
too
Eric (24:33):
and he is one of these ones that would do a lot of
research read a lot, a lot ofYouTube, a lot of whatever.
Rob Failes (24:38):
that.
Eric (24:38):
And he said, Eric, I had an epiphany about 3 months ago,
Rob Failes (24:42):
three months
Eric (24:43):
and he said, what if I'm wrong about all the things I
think I know
Rob Failes (24:47):
the things I'm doing.
Eric (24:50):
and he goes.
Rob Failes (24:51):
And
Eric (24:51):
You just, not on purpose,
Rob Failes (24:54):
not
Eric (24:54):
but I just realized I was wrong about all the things I
thought I know.
Rob Failes (24:57):
things I'm doing.
Eric (24:58):
because he didn't know good things.
He wasn't interpreting it to hisswing quite right,
Rob Failes (25:03):
it.
Eric (25:04):
He didn't
Rob Failes (25:04):
putting it into context, right?
Eric (25:06):
correct.
So the point is he, it was fiveminutes.
He's hitting it better, right?
It's just a couple of littlethings we were unwinding.
No big deal.
Rob Failes (25:14):
big deal.
Eric (25:15):
At the end of the day,
Rob Failes (25:16):
the end of the
Eric (25:17):
if you are going to work on your swing,
Rob Failes (25:19):
on your slaves,
Eric (25:21):
you think you need to work on your swing, you probably need
coaching.
That's just,
Rob Failes (25:23):
need
Eric (25:25):
it on this show.
Rob Failes (25:26):
do that.
That's just, that's, that's,that's a huge factor.
Eric (25:40):
Yeah.
Rob Failes (25:43):
Number one would be like scoring strategy.
Like, are you aiming in placesthat's not allowing you to swing
freely?
Because you know you don't havethe margin of error on one side
that you don't on the other.
Eric (25:53):
Right.
Rob Failes (25:53):
Alright, so that could be one.
Uh, your shot process.
Alright, are you not predictinglie, slope, and wind?
And how they're going toinfluence your golf ball.
Therefore, you're standing overit and you're trying to use your
golf swing to make up for Uh,three would just be the overall
(26:16):
mindset that you're bringing toyour play on the golf course.
Are you more of like fixedmindset or growth mindset in
terms of how you're your game?
Right?
Is this something where it'slike, okay, you've either got it
or you don't, or are you alwayslooking for opportunities to
learn and improve, which don'talways feel like playing well.
(26:36):
So
Eric (26:37):
Right.
Rob Failes (26:37):
would in, in what we know through the research and
what Dr.
Pryor shared with us, the codebreakers is that your mindset is
a wrong predictor ofperformance.
Strong predictor.
If you are, if you're bringingin, it fluctuates by the way,
but if you're bringing a fixedmindset into what you're doing,
you're going to feel on that ingeneral, you're going to feel
(26:59):
more anxiety, which is going todisrupt your skills and disrupt
your rhythm.
Simple as that.
Right?
Eric (27:04):
And stunt your learning.
Rob Failes (27:06):
there's.
Correct.
Yeah.
So there's, that's, there'sthree.
All right.
And then we haven't even gotteninto skill.
There's four.
And then from the swingstandpoint, are your clubs fit
for you?
Are you in posture?
There's five,
Eric (27:19):
Right.
Rob Failes (27:20):
right?
Are you holding the club in a,in a, in a, in a functional way?
Right.
So like that's all happeningbefore the club starts moving.
Eric (27:27):
Right.
And so the, the reason why,
Rob Failes (27:30):
many options.
Eric (27:31):
yeah, and the reason why that's not the popular
discussion.
On Instagram is because youcan't pack.
You can't really it's hard topackage that up in 30 seconds in
a way.
That's interesting or attractiveor for lack of a better term.
Sexy like something that you'regoing to look at and click on.
Like, you know, you're going tolook at.
Oh, she's, you know, click onthis 1 and watch it.
(27:55):
Right?
Like, that's kind of how itgoes.
And.
You know, it is what it is.
Like if you, I guarantee you, ifyou, if you took one of those
influencers and had them do a, amindset, you know, like a
mindset clip, I'm going to guessit doesn't get a lot of clicks,
right?
Processes are boring, butprocesses are vital.
(28:17):
Like they're the absolute mostvital thing.
And so you just ran through abunch of stuff that I was going
to, I was going to say like,what are the pitfalls, right?
You just ran the list down.
Right?
You just ran down the list ofstuff.
No, it's perfect because it's,it's all I really wanted to talk
about today is like, what arethe things that people don't
realize are holding them back?
(28:38):
And you just went through thelist because they always think
it's their swing.
Now, some people will go like,some people have some good
awareness of like scoringstrategy.
They'll go like, Eric, I've gotno clue about scoring strategy
or Eric.
I've got no, I've got no routineon the course.
Rob Failes (28:53):
think
Eric (28:55):
how to judge slope.
I don't, you know, so those, Ithink there's some awareness on
those.
Rob Failes (28:59):
Yeah.
Eric (29:00):
predictability piece,
Rob Failes (29:02):
know,
Eric (29:03):
you know, skill training or practice habits, or, you
know, what are your capabilitiesfrom your body or your
limitations from your bodyequipment is very misunderstood
and under an underestimated,like equipment is huge for
Rob Failes (29:20):
it's
Eric (29:21):
that plays this game.
Rob Failes (29:22):
the,
Eric (29:23):
not the, it's not the arrow over the Indian or
whatever that saying is like,you've got to have equipment
that works for you.
Or it's going to be, you're,you're making golf harder on
you, right?
Rob Failes (29:33):
calls
Eric (29:34):
On yourself.
Then it's going to be, again,you're going to blame your swing
for things that have it, havenothing to do with it.
Right?
I mean, I see it all the time.
I'm lucky we've got a lot ofwork with a lot of people who
are very growth minded.
I mean, I think that's a productof probably being pretty
successful in life, like, beingable to learn and grow and
(29:56):
understand.
And and so.
Rob Failes (29:58):
And
Eric (29:59):
It's pretty fun.
I, I can't,
Rob Failes (30:00):
pretty
Eric (30:00):
I'm not going to lie.
Like the last few weeks havebeen
Rob Failes (30:03):
few
Eric (30:03):
extremely busy.
I mean, it was like the, it waslike the worst winter we've had
in probably six or seven yearsin Virginia, you know, snow on
the ground for weeks at a time.
Um, and then when the, it waslike, there was a Saturday
afternoon.
Okay.
We had the, we had all the baydoors down and in simulators for
weeks.
(30:24):
And then we're looking at theforecast, looking at the
forecast.
We're like, Oh, the snow's goingto melt Friday.
By Saturday at lunchtime, it'sgoing to be 50 degrees.
Rob Failes (30:33):
Yeah.
Eric (30:36):
the bay doors up.
And it was like the season hit.
It was like, it was just Katiebar the door.
It was, it's been nuts eversince.
So we've been really, reallybusy and it's been fun.
It's been fun kind of gettingback into the groove of teaching
a bunch of lessons.
Um, but people want to playbetter.
And I think that when we're,when we're doing this, we do
this for one reason.
(30:57):
And I think everybody gets itthat tunes in because we don't,
we don't ask for anything andwe're just like.
Rob Failes (31:02):
that we're
Eric (31:02):
Two dudes in sweatshirts talking on a microphone.
Rob Failes (31:05):
on the
Eric (31:05):
Um,
Rob Failes (31:07):
Uh,
Eric (31:07):
just want you to play better.
Rob Failes (31:08):
just want to get
Eric (31:08):
There's answers out there.
Rob Failes (31:10):
answers
Eric (31:10):
we're hoping that we can guide you on a process as, as
you enter 2025 golf season, thatyou could just play better and
not necessarily have to swing abetter quote unquote.
To do it, right?
Rob Failes (31:23):
to do
Eric (31:24):
So,
Rob Failes (31:25):
Right?
So,
Eric (31:26):
I don't know if I'm still ranting.
I kind of feel like I'm stillranting.
I'm going to end rant and rant
Rob Failes (31:31):
I'm just saying.
I've
Eric (31:32):
hard.
Stop and rant.
And we're going to talk aboutother pitfalls.
Although you kind of named themall.
So what else you want to talkabout?
So, it's good, because I feellike what I was going to name as
the, as the hidden pitfalls.
Rob Failes (31:46):
to
Eric (31:46):
going to be fixed mindset versus growth mindset.
It was going to be theequipment.
Rob Failes (31:51):
fun to
Eric (31:52):
Um, it was,
Rob Failes (31:53):
will be episode 1 and 5,
Eric (31:56):
I have to be honest,
Rob Failes (31:57):
behind the
Eric (31:58):
this will be episode 41 when we put it out.
And one of my favorite episodesof all of them was the one we
called, I think it was calledmindset.
Was it called mindset?
A golfer secret superpower, Ithink is what I titled it.
And I could listen to thatepisode over and over again.
(32:20):
It, it, there's so much goodstuff and you were the lead on
that.
It was really, really good.
And, um,
Rob Failes (32:26):
And,
Eric (32:26):
I kind of told the story, like, I went to UVA, which my
son's at UVA, which is
Rob Failes (32:30):
some of your
Eric (32:32):
One of the great
Rob Failes (32:33):
I'm
Eric (32:33):
universities
Rob Failes (32:34):
guys.
Eric (32:34):
the world
Rob Failes (32:35):
and
Eric (32:35):
and when we went to the parents orientation,
Rob Failes (32:39):
the
Eric (32:39):
this world renowned author, like she's literally
written like five best sellingbooks.
She's a psychologist.
She leads their second.
Rob Failes (32:46):
reason as a
Eric (32:47):
She got up and did a whole presentation on the same
research.
Carol.
Quick, what, uh, you know,growth versus fixed mindset.
And I was like, this isincredible.
It was like two weeks before wehad recorded this episode.
So if you haven't listened tothat, I don't have the number in
front of me, but we call itmindset.
The golfer's secret superpower.
Please go back and listen tothat episode.
It is, it is not just aboutgolf, obviously it's about life.
(33:10):
But when you think about
Rob Failes (33:12):
when you think about.
Eric (33:13):
the foundation for what it is and anything you want to
develop or succeed in, is it notmindset rap fails?
Like Is it not give, give us,
Rob Failes (33:25):
right?
Eric (33:26):
where it starts.
So, so give us some insight.
What did, did, did Dr.
Prior go into some of this, uh,more in depth in the code
breakers retreat?
Like what was the story there?
Rob Failes (33:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, he did, uh, he did two
presentations each, so basicallysix hours uh, of total
presentation time on Mindset.
Eric (33:48):
Six hours on the mindset.
I'm going next year, by the way,I'm in next year is, is I, I,
sorry.
I had to miss, but I will notmiss again.
Rob Failes (33:56):
very, we're, we're very hopeful that we'll be able
to get him back next year.
Um,
Eric (34:01):
Have we picked a location for next year?
Rob Failes (34:05):
uh, so going back and
Eric (34:06):
Okay, got it.
Rob Failes (34:08):
likely Skokie country club and, uh, and kind
of greater Chicago area GarrettChassard is
Eric (34:15):
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Okay, great.
Rob Failes (34:17):
is, uh, it's kind of the current hypothesis, but, but
we'll see what happens.
But yeah, I mean, Dr.
Pryor just really went.
Deep on it for two days and kindof overwhelmed right now
thinking about it.
But, um, a couple of the, acouple of the big things that I
took away from it was just thepower of questions.
(34:37):
And like how you can ask golferssome very, very relevant, vital
questions that get them to kindof understand the difference and
get them more aware of likewhere they're currently at.
Um, and so like a really goodquestion would be like, why are
we here today?
Eric (34:54):
Mm hmm.
Rob Failes (34:54):
So like, are we here to look better or are we here to
get better?
Right.
And so that's the first thing,like when golfers come to the
range, ask yourself thatquestion first.
It's like, all right, am I hereto look better or am I here to
get better?
And if you're really in the keyto this as being honest with
yourself, because I know thereare so many times my golfing
(35:19):
history, I've gone to thepractice facility and I've
chosen to do the thing.
That I knew was going to make melook the best,
Eric (35:31):
Oh, so you were gonna make an Instagram post with your
swing in slow motion?
Come on.
Come on.
Be honest.
Be honest.
It's, it's
Rob Failes (35:39):
let's say, let's say my skills have been, my, my
skills have been really, really,um, lining up with my short
game, right?
So I'm going to go over theshort game and hit some like
nippy little low spinners fromperfect lives, right?
And just in case if someonewatches me, in case someone
looks over, right?
They're going to see me hittingthese shots.
(36:01):
And so the underlying thingthere is like, that's me trying
to protect my perception of howother people are perceiving me.
Eric (36:14):
very much.
Rob Failes (36:15):
the, when you peel the onion back, it's like, okay,
well, why, why is that the case?
Like, almost like, like keepasking why it's like, okay, like
other's perceptions over yourown.
That's a very, very common biasturns out.
humans tend to, some humans, andnot everyone's the case, and it
(36:37):
changes from activity toactivity.
But many of us, when it comes tohow we're perceived, we value
others perceptions over our own.
Right?
And so, a big domino.
It's like, hey, like, is otherpeople's perceptions relevant
the task?
The answer is no.
(36:58):
Uh,
Eric (36:58):
hmm.
Zero percent.
Rob Failes (36:59):
better?
Right, exactly.
Does worrying about what otherpeople think make you feel
better or worse?
Worse.
Do you perform better or worse?
Eric (37:11):
Worse.
Rob Failes (37:12):
right?
So like, again, you're askingpeople these questions.
very just like, and you got tobe honest with them and probably
be in a safe space to wherethey're feel open to, to
actually answering them.
But if you can just ask these,like kind of very sort of like
leading honest questions, canreally get someone to kind of
turn around their behaviors.
(37:33):
Um, so I think that's a, that'sa big one.
I think, uh, when it comes to,when it comes to mindset, I
think, I mean, gosh, there's so,there's so many that we could go
down.
Um, Why are, why are we here?
Are you here to, to find aguarantee, That's another good
Eric (37:53):
Mm hmm.
Rob Failes (37:53):
like, Do you believe that there is a guarantee?
And then the answer is, is no,right?
So there's, there's no guaranteethat if you swing the club in
this way that you're gonna hitthe shot that you want, right?
There's no guarantee that if youwork hard, you're gonna get the
results that you want, right?
(38:14):
There is no guarantee that ifyou subscribe to this training
program, right, you're going toget to this point at this point
in time, right?
So a lot of times we go downthese rabbit holes to try to
guarantee outcome, right?
And again, oftentimes that, thatsearch for a guarantee is really
(38:36):
what it is, is it's avoiding afuture outcome that we're not
willing to accept.
It's typically what it is,right?
So I had a, I had a lesson with,uh, with a student just last
week.
and he just came to me and waslike, you know, I've got to
eliminate the ball going right.
I have to, have to eliminate it,
Eric (39:00):
Zero golfers in history have eliminated the ball going
right, but yeah.
Rob Failes (39:05):
I basically come in and say like, Hey, like I, I'm
looking to guarantee that Idon't hit that shot again.
And so what was
Eric (39:13):
Mm
Rob Failes (39:14):
is like on the range, on the range, he was
actually hitting it fine.
Like
Eric (39:18):
hmm.
Mm
Rob Failes (39:19):
hit a couple balls right of target, a couple balls
left of target.
He's talking about a big miss tothe right.
Eric (39:23):
hmm.
Rob Failes (39:24):
And uh, I mean he's, he was performing to, I'd say
about a five handicap.
Uh, but when I asked him hisaverage score, he said low
nineties, high
Eric (39:37):
Mm
Rob Failes (39:38):
right?
So on the range, right, the hugediscrepancy.
So, turns out when he's going onthe golf course, he has a
mindset around, Okay, if I hitthat out of bounds shot to the
right, I'm basically cooked forthe day.
Eric (39:54):
hmm.
Mm hmm.
I'm done.
Mentally, I'm done.
Rob Failes (39:56):
you're, you're done, right?
So that outcome for him becomeso threatening that he will,
he's going into full onavoidance mode on the golf
course.
It's like, okay, I've just gotto steer this thing.
Like I've got to try toguarantee I've got to make sure
just increasing tension levels,which is making those skills
(40:18):
even more variable.
Um, so we had to have a prettyhonest conversations like, Hey,
like.
So before we, before we actuallywork to reduce that, the
frequency of that happening,you've got to understand that
there is hundred percentpossibility that we could with
whatever we do, like you standon the golf course tomorrow,
step on that first tee and hitthat same shot.
(40:41):
You can do it.
Eric (40:42):
Mm hmm.
Rob Failes (40:43):
You could do it for the first couple of holes.
You could do it for all nineholes.
You could go an 18 hole roundthat ball uncontrollably to the
right.
Yeah, that would suck.
Is it truly worth it?
Like employing this avoidancebased strategy.
(41:05):
And like, I asked him somequestions about like, okay,
like, how does your swing feelwhen you just try to steer it
out there?
It's like, oh, it feels.
Like, I don't swing like that onthe range, but on the golf
course, it feels awful.
Like, all right, well, you know,one of the, one of the stories
Dr.
Pryor shared at Code Breaker islike the, um, several, um, of
(41:26):
the armed forces use, um, kindof this stage one, stage two,
um, regret kind of model.
And there might actually be astage three regret, but, um, I
only right now remember thefirst two stages.
Um, stage one is we did it theway we wanted to do it and it
didn't work out.
Which I personally wouldn't evencall regret, but that's what,
(41:46):
that's what they call it.
two is we, we didn't do it theway we wanted to do it and it
didn't work out.
Which is
Eric (41:57):
That's
Rob Failes (41:57):
that's the one that they're, that's the one that
they're trying to eliminate.
Like they're trying to reduce asmuch as possible is.
If they go off mission, like ifthey go off of the, uh, like
their procedure or kind of theoperation and they lose someone
like that is unacceptable tothem.
Whereas, you know, they areaccepting prior to going into
(42:20):
that mission is like, okay,we're going to do this thing the
way that we've decided to do it.
If we lose someone, that's goingto suck.
It's, we're not going to losesomeone because we went.
Off script
Eric (42:32):
Mm hmm.
Rob Failes (42:33):
decided to prioritize this outcome the
mission.
Eric (42:38):
Yeah.
Rob Failes (42:39):
and so again, that's what it is.
It's just prioritizing theoutcome the processes that make
the outcome more or less likely.
And so,
Eric (42:47):
Mm hmm.
Rob Failes (42:48):
course, of course, the, the outcome is important to
us.
Of course, we want to hit thefairway.
Of course, we want to hit thegreen.
Of course, we want to shoot lowscores.
Like, of course, those thingsare important to us.
Um, but are they relevant?
Right.
And the answer is.
No, because outcomes are bydefinition always off time.
So outcomes always happened orhaven't happened yet,
Eric (43:14):
Interesting.
Yeah.
Rob Failes (43:15):
right?
Eric (43:15):
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
Mm hmm.
Rob Failes (43:18):
they are always off time.
Therefore, are irrelevant to thetask.
Again, difference between beingimportant to us and being
relevant.
They are not relevant.
You do not need to be placingyour attention on outcome.
Um, and I just think that's,that's such an important
(43:40):
distinction between what'simportant versus what's
relevant.
The best players in the worldare able to filter out what is
relevant, better than all of us,essentially, right?
Scotty Scheffler, he was injail, right?
He literally got sent to jailthe morning of the, was it the
PGA
Eric (43:59):
PGA Championship.
Yeah.
Rob Failes (44:01):
PGA championship?
Yeah.
Eric (44:02):
hmm.
Rob Failes (44:02):
Warming up in his jail cell, right?
So, was able to, that day, stillshoot, what did he shoot?
67?
Eric (44:11):
Shot under par.
Yeah.
Yeah.
A shot under par.
Yep.
It's crazy.
Rob Failes (44:16):
So, he was, so, you talk about filtering out what's
irrelevant?
Like, that's a master class inthat.
I mean, it's, there's nobodybetter on earth than filtering
out irrelevant information, Ithink, than Scotty.
Eric (44:31):
You know Yeah, I think he's the best.
I mean, I do this with juniorgolfers and, and frankly, I
could probably do it with, withadult golfers too, but it's just
the relationships a littledifferent, right?
Like you get, you get a 14 yearold boy in your, in your bay,
who's trying to make his varsitygolf team.
And, you know, and they, andyou're like, they're saying
(44:51):
things and you're like, thatdoesn't matter.
That doesn't matter.
You know, in your mind, you'relike, not relevant, not
relevant, not relevant, notrelevant.
So, you know, I'll draw adiagram, right?
Like I just draw a diagram or wemake a list of like, I'll say,
well, how does this affect yourscore?
Right?
Like, how does this affect me?
Right?
Does it go inside what mattersin the circle or does it go
outside the circle of whatmatters?
(45:14):
And so I do this.
I don't do it all the time.
I do it when necessary.
Right?
Um, it's powerful.
When they, and they take it homeand they're like, oh, yeah, you
know, like that wasn't relevant.
This, this was really like, youknow, well, Eric, I couldn't
warm up, you know, there wasn'tany time to, well, did anybody
warm up?
No.
Okay.
So like, you know, we, we kindof go through all these
(45:36):
different parts of their story
Rob Failes (45:38):
of
Eric (45:38):
to get them just focused on what matters.
Right.
Rob Failes (45:41):
what
Eric (45:41):
Because they're just worried about everything and I
think that that's golfers justin general.
There's a lot to get focused onThere's a lot out there.
There's all kinds of things youcould be distracted by so many
things that are irrelevant toyour score and
Rob Failes (45:57):
a hundred percent.
My
Eric (46:04):
Like that could not be any less relevant Right?
Like even as a golf pro chippingon the chipping green, like, Oh,
someone sees me.
I'm the golf pro.
Like I better do this.
Well, like it's stillirrelevant.
Yeah.
It's still irrelevant.
So you have to, and this goesback to the thing about the golf
swing stuff.
It's just like, to your point,No, at P3,
Rob Failes (46:27):
is going
Eric (46:28):
this and that, like all this stuff we see,
Rob Failes (46:30):
percent true.
Eric (46:31):
it's not going to guarantee you anything.
Right?
Rob Failes (46:33):
video.
Eric (46:34):
that you're, you're telling the story about a guy
who's fixated on where hedoesn't want his ball to go when
he's playing golf and you can't
Rob Failes (46:42):
not feel good.
Eric (46:43):
does not feel we've all been there.
By the way.
I know this because I've beenthere.
I've been there too.
I had a big right miss, but atthe end of the day.
Okay.
You can't focus on what youdon't want to have happen,
right?
You have to focus on what you dowant to have happen.
And that's a positive mindsetthat helps you, guides you
(47:03):
through this whole process.
And hopefully, hopefully thethings you do want to have
happen are also relevant at thesame time, because there could
be an irrelevant part of thatequation.
So,
Rob Failes (47:15):
And just the things that the things that I got two
other things that that arecoming to mind as you're
talking, again, the things thatare irrelevant are off time,
right?
So if we think about things thatthat haven't happened yet, I
think it's helpful to reiteratethe fact that the future is
Always uncertain again, likewhen it comes to the skills, I
(47:40):
don't care who you are.
You, you don't know, you neverknow exactly where the bottom of
the swing is going to be inspace.
You don't know, right?
You don't know exactly where theclub face is going to be
relative to the path at impact.
Eric (47:58):
definitely don't know that.
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Rob Failes (48:02):
prior to swinging the golf club.
And there is nothing that anyonecan tell you that will make you
know prior to swinging the golfclub.
All right.
For some of you, this might besounding like I'm.
Kicking your cat or somethinglike the almost like I'm telling
you Santa Claus isn't real,right?
(48:23):
Because this is like what peoplego when people get in really
really dark and stormy places intheir golf game It's when
they're trying to find certaintyin something that is always
uncertain
Eric (48:35):
Mm hmm.
Rob Failes (48:36):
Right and so then the the belief becomes oh, I
have to control everything thatI can that I possibly can,
right?
so that becomes control or Ijust have to control everything.
So I got to control the future,which means I need to worry
about it.
I have to control the past,which means I need to ruminate
about it.
Right?
I need to control all of thesethings, maybe that are on time,
(48:59):
but not relevant, right?
So it just becomes this laundrylist of conditions, right?
And this is another, he said, ifyou hear people say common
things like, if I can just dothis if I can just do this,
right?
Eric (49:15):
Yeah.
Rob Failes (49:15):
know what?
If I could just do, if I couldjust do that.
If I can just do that, then I'llbe able to enjoy the game.
These are the people, this is,this is not the people, but this
is the state mind that we'retalking about.
That is very common that we seeevery day is like all of these
conditions that we believe thatwe have to impose upon ourselves
(49:37):
in order to play well.
And we went through, it was kindof a fun little exercise I did
with a, with another attendee.
Part of the thing we love aboutcode breakers is that talent,
there's a lot of talent in theroom, right?
So you get to.
To brainstorm with other kind oflike minded folks.
We were talking about what arethe actual conditions to playing
(50:00):
your best?
All right, well, number one, yougot to get to the tee on time.
You got to get to the first teeon time, right?
Got to do that.
You got to have all your clubs.
You gotta have at least howevermany clubs you need to play,
right?
Um, you gotta have a certainnumber of golf balls.
I don't know how many, right?
(50:20):
But you need to have golf balls,right?
don't need a tee.
You can play golf without a tee.
You can play golf without aglove.
You can play golf without a warmup.
You can play golf Without likingyour playing competitors, you
can
Eric (50:33):
Mm
Rob Failes (50:33):
golf
Eric (50:34):
hmm.
Rob Failes (50:35):
having good weather, right?
You can't play in lightning, butyou can play all sorts of
different conditions.
You don't have to have a certaincut of grass.
You don't have to have a certainwind direction, you know, like
all of these things like there'spretty few conditions that are
actually true to playing yourbest and again, like The, the
(50:56):
Scotty thing kind of what mademe talk about like, cause if
people think, Oh, I've got tohave this 45 minute warmup and
I've got it.
Oh, and then another one thatyou hear like that, that I see
all the time is like peoplepractice to try to find that,
like, Oh, I've, I've got to hita couple of good ones.
Just to tell me that tomorrow isgoing to be okay.
Eric (51:14):
Right.
Rob Failes (51:15):
that certainty.
And this is where you're like,all right, last ball.
And they hit it off the toe.
Like, no, no, no, no, no.
Last ball.
Eric (51:21):
Got a hand on a good one.
Rob Failes (51:22):
keep going.
Keep going.
You got it.
And like, I've stopped doingthat completely.
Like, no, you do not have to endon a good one.
What happens if you're playingthe 18th hole and your last full
swing is a shank.
Right?
You're going to be ending onthat shank, right?
And you've got to pre accept.
Here's the deal.
Again, if it's when we don't preaccept everything or in anything
(51:47):
and everything that couldpossibly happen, is when we
start creating like these very,very kind of conditional
avoidance strategies.
have to be willing to accept,not have to, but like to be
helpful.
Right?
Could be helpful.
If we accept,
Eric (52:03):
be willing to.
Yeah.
Rob Failes (52:06):
we could strive to, we could strive toward, uh,
again, I'm trying not to imposeconditions on people, but it's
hard, um, we could, we, we couldstrive toward all potential
future outcomes.
Right?
It's like a radical acceptance,right?
(52:28):
Because people like they judgethe shot.
They judge every single shot iseither and they know they're
going to do it beforehand.
Right?
And that's where a lot of thisanxiety comes in.
It's like, all right, here wego.
Is it going to be a good one ora bad one?
Right?
And just like stop, like justplay around a golf where it's
just like, okay, the ball wasthe here.
is currently there.
(52:50):
End of sentence.
Stop.
Eric (52:52):
That's it.
It
Rob Failes (52:54):
right?
The ball was here.
Now it's there.
All right, now the task is, canyou put one foot in front of the
other until you get to the golfball?
Put your clubs down, figure outhow far you're going to hit it,
out what direction you're goingto hit it, take your club out,
do whatever you hit the shot,right?
And then wherever that ball wentis now where the ball is and go
(53:16):
do that, right?
And just repeat that.
And just get out of thisjudgment, right?
This, this, that was a goodshot.
That was a bad shot.
Again, if it feels good to ourbrain to tell us that the shot
was good, but the problem isthat it's a double edged sword,
because if you're always judgingit when it's good, it's going to
make you feel twice as crappywhen you're judging, by the way,
(53:40):
golf, you're going to hit more.
Shots that you're going toperceive as poor relative to the
ones that you perceive as greatYou're going to be beating
yourself up the entire it's it'snot worth it I can probably see
like the high that you get fromlike saying.
Oh, that was amazing is notworth low that you get from
beating yourself up constantlythroughout a round of golf.
(54:04):
And I'm not saying don't enjoygood shots, but enjoy playing
shots for the enjoyment of thefeeling of playing the shot
itself.
Like, I guarantee you, when youhit the ball out the center of
the face, that feels a heck of alot more pleasurable than
hitting out the toe or the heel.
Or like, when the ball goes inthe direction that you want,
generally, feels a heck of a lotmore fun and better than when
(54:28):
the ball's not.
Right?
And just I appreciate that.
I've told players like, Hey, youcan go a, have the best burger
in town and enjoy the burger,but you don't have to write a
review, right?
You can go to a restaurant andhave a like the food took
forever, right?
It was undercooked, whatever.
(54:49):
can say, all right, well, Icaught him on a bad night,
right?
Or just, I got a bad, I got abad one.
All right, but you don't have toleave a review.
Like All right.
Yeah.
I was just one, right?
You don't have to label yourselfas a bad golfer or a great
golfer.
You don't have like all thesesubjective opinions that we're
layering on top of this are nothelping in my opinion.
(55:13):
So I guess that was, that was myrant.
So in rant
Eric (55:16):
was a good, good.
We're ranting tonight.
We won't rant all the time, butyou know, every now and again we
rant.
It's okay.
Um, that's because we are so, wedesire.
Everyone to enjoy the gamebecause we and I enjoy it at a
high at a very high level andall we ever.
Rob Failes (55:35):
playing the game, like literally just playing the
game is enjoyable,
Eric (55:39):
Oh, my gosh.
I mean, just being in nature.
Yeah, we're, we're gonna get tothat.
You know, you get those feelingsthis time of year because, you
know, here we have the dormantBermuda grass and it, you know,
it's starting to, you know, comeinto starting to turn green and
then.
You know, the trees are bloomingand the leaves start popping out
(55:59):
and the sunshine is out and thedays are warmer and like, you
start to realize what it is you,why you connect to this game so
much, right?
Because you're, you're in thisenvironment that's so inspiring.
It feels so, you know, it'sjust, it's just good for your
whole soul in my opinion.
Right?
Like, my, my opinion, there'sone, there's going to be one
(56:21):
sport in heaven and it's golf,like, period, like, it's.
It's the Lord's game is myopinion.
So, like, you know, you, youjust, you feel that you feel it
when you're playing it.
It's meant to be in nature.
And it's like, if we go outthere and we lose that, that
context, if we lose that, like,everything turns into a judgment
(56:42):
on our self worth.
Every time we had a shot and we.
We forget like how blessed weare to just be on a beautiful
piece of property hitting a golfshot.
Like it's,
Rob Failes (56:50):
yes.
Eric (56:51):
cool.
And I think if we can alwayskeep that in mind, you're going
to play better.
You're going to play in a moreenjoyable way.
You'll play freer.
You'll play better.
Probably.
I mean, there's no guarantees asyou said, but like,
Rob Failes (57:03):
gosh.
And that's, we, we didn't geteven into that, but like there's
been, know, when you talk aboutthe, the effects of being off
time versus on time.
So like when you're present.
And typically the downstreameffects of being present is
going to be drastically reducedtension levels, improvement of
(57:24):
the quality of your breath.
All right.
So going back to Dr.
Mike K, okay.
Your swing literally feelseasier, freer, and more fun.
Like literally the act ofswinging the golf club feels
like a fun activity or a morefun activity when you're
present.
Like Um, from start to finish,like, Hey, like if you can stay
(57:47):
present to whatever you're doingfrom that club breaks away to
the end of the swing, I canpromise you it's going to be a
more fun and enjoyableexperience than if you're always
saying, okay, I've got to makesure this outcome doesn't
happen.
got to make sure that prioroutcome doesn't happen again.
I've got to make sure this lookslike a good swing in front of my
(58:09):
buddies.
Or I've got to like make surethat I do these 16 things that
I've, that I've been told that Ihave to do.
Right?
Like though, that does not feelas much fun as, uh, or is that,
or is nearly as effective asbeing present.
And on time and on task.
Eric (58:28):
No question about it.
So I guess our rants today werereally about how we tend to get
in our own way when it comes toour golf performance.
Right?
I mean, that kind of, kind ofwhat we were talking about.
Rob Failes (58:40):
will be a, like a mindset constraint, right?
Like
Eric (58:42):
Yeah.
Rob Failes (58:43):
how fixed, more of like a fixed mindset, can create
a constraint.
Eric (58:50):
And I think that, you know, when we started off with,
with my rant on the golf swingstuff, it's just That's part of
the whole story, right?
Like it's part of the, that'spart of the mindset too, is like
understanding what is relevantto you.
And, um, and I just kind of feellike, again, just chasing our
tails with trying to change ourswing every day.
(59:11):
It's just, it's just not, it'sjust not, or every swing.
Hey, I've got this new swing.
Okay.
Okay.
Um, but at the end of the day.
Yeah, you've got to be a littleweary about who you're listening
to when it comes to that, whattheir intentions are.
Right.
Um, and make sure that you'rewell aware that you should only
(59:36):
be listening to people that arereally, truly invested in your
performance.
Right?
Like, that's, that's the way Iwould look at it.
Rob Failes (59:44):
and if you're going to change your swing, if you're
going to go down that rabbithole, just make sure it wasn't
the very first thing, numberone, then number two, make sure
we're doing it for the rightreasons.
So a couple of things that Ishare with my players is like,
we change swing when It's goingto reduce the likelihood of
injury or if like there's a waythat we get you moving the club
(01:00:06):
that Alleviates pain right sothat's going to be a great
reason to change swing We changeswing to make it more efficient
terms of clubhead speed or ballspeed, right?
So less perceived effort,
Eric (01:00:20):
Mm hmm.
Rob Failes (01:00:21):
more ball speed.
And then third, we do it to biasyour skills in a desirable way
or like a
Eric (01:00:28):
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Rob Failes (01:00:30):
if you're, if your swing is really biasing your
skills in a certain way, we canchange your swing or we can
improve your swing or howeveryou want to think about to adapt
and change the bias of thoseskills.
But it is not, we do not changeswing to guarantee an avoidance
of outcomes that we don't.
Eric (01:00:52):
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Rob Failes (01:00:53):
And that's, that's the biggest thing is like, you
know, Oh, if I just do this,it's going to make then this
feature outcome, not willing toupset, except is, is not going
to happen.
There is no swing on earth.
There's no such thing as a golfswing that that can do that.
Eric (01:01:10):
Yeah.
There's no guarantees.
And I think that's the That,that's the crux of this episode,
think that was, that was the,uh, that was the whole point.
So, thank you, Rob Fales.
I think that worked out prettywell.
Rob Failes (01:01:25):
Thank you.
Eric (01:01:25):
Anything else you want to add?
I mean, do you have any othernames you wanted to add to the,
um, potential list who you'rethinking of at the 1 1 in the,
uh, Dynasty Superflex League?
I mean, I've got some othernames.
Like, I'm a big fan of the, ofthe running back from Boise, and
I know we haven't seen him onthe field yet, but man.
Rob Failes (01:01:45):
can't do
Eric (01:01:46):
I'm just going to tag, I'm just going to
Rob Failes (01:01:48):
superflex.
Eric (01:01:49):
I'm just gonna tell you right now, get a special.
Get a special.
Write it down.
Rob Failes (01:01:54):
he's special.
He just hasn't, again, I could,
Eric (01:01:57):
tackle him.
Rob Failes (01:01:58):
I could, I could see, oh my gosh, the stiff arm.
Eric (01:02:02):
He's,
Rob Failes (01:02:03):
I don't
Eric (01:02:03):
he's a, he's impossible to tackle.
He, the Penn State played him,if you go back and watch the
Penn State game, Penn Statebottled him up for the most
part.
Like, every time he got theball, there was four people, and
Penn State has athletes thatBoise State couldn't, couldn't
handle, right?
Like, These people areoutrageous athletes.
He still ran for a bunch ofyards and made like, he still
(01:02:26):
had like 12 four Smiths tacklesin the game.
Like in a game where he wasbottled up, like it was
outrageous.
Like this guy.
is outrageous.
He's
Rob Failes (01:02:36):
their contact.
Eric (01:02:37):
no, he's contact balance.
Yeah, you can't tackle him.
He's super strong.
I don't know what the deal is.
Contact balance, whateverthere's something he has.
He has it.
It's like Ebbets Smith a littlebit in that way, but he might be
a little faster than him.
I don't know.
It's he's pretty impressive.
Anybody else you were thinking?
Rob Failes (01:02:55):
be Jayden.
gonna, it's probably gonna beJayden.
Probably gonna be Jayden, whichI'll be happy with.
Eric (01:03:02):
Yeah, go, go, go with your guy.
Go with your guy.
It'll be fun to root for for thenext.
Hey, if he's your guy, you gottago with your guy.
Well, people, thanks for tuningin.
If you Thoughts for Robbie onwho he should draft.
I mean, you know, let him know,
Rob Failes (01:03:15):
send him in in the next,
Eric (01:03:16):
send him in.
He's got a few days,
Rob Failes (01:03:18):
hours.
No, I've got seven hours.
It
Eric (01:03:21):
seven hours.
Okay.
So this episode will not be outbefore then, but we'll get an
update next time.
And if you want us to do aspinoff show, let us know.
We've got plenty of degenerategolf professional friends.
That we could do a show.
Um, alright, Rob fails.
Well, thank you for, uh, forindulging me in another episode
of the Golf InterventionPodcast.
(01:03:42):
Um, appreciate your time andyour thoughts and, uh, we will
be back again next time withanother exciting episode.
No ranting next time.
It's gonna be a, it's gonna bemore fun.
Next time.
Be lighthearted.
Rob Failes (01:03:56):
Yeah.
Eric (01:03:56):
Take care everybody.
Hey,
Rob Failes (01:03:57):
Cheers.
Eric (01:03:58):
cheers.
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notes.
Eric (00:25):
And welcome back to the Golf Intervention Podcast.
Rob Fales has a, has a superflex dynasty startup draft
tomorrow.
What is, what is going on?
We're going to talk about thatand other things today on the
Golf Intervention Podcast.
Rob Failes (00:41):
Yeah.
Eric (00:42):
Welcome back Rob Fales.
We don't even have like,
Rob Failes (00:45):
see you again.
Eric (00:46):
we went live.
We really have to be realhonest.
I like texted Robbie like oneline of what I was thinking we'd
talk about.
That's it.
This is going to be like livechatter.
This is going to be really good.
Um, cause there's things I'vegot on my mind and I can't wait
to kind of.
Discuss it with Rob Fales.
We've been off the air for alittle while, for good reason
though, Robby traveled with hisCode Breakers group, and if
(01:09):
you're not aware of what hisCode Breakers group is, it's
really, I think, golfinstructors helping golf
instructors is kind of what itfeels like to me.
Golf coaches out there, um,doing some education, so they
had a retreat, and that, he hadRaymond Pryor, Dr.
Mike Kay, That had to have beenphenomenal.
(01:30):
Familiar voices and faces to thegolf intervention.
Um, and, and then I guess theweek after we got an award, a
PGA sports media award for thegolf intervention podcast, which
is pretty awesome.
So we were at a black tie eventin Washington, D.
C., greater Washington, D.
(01:51):
C.
area, and we in a very surrealmoment.
Received a sports media awardfrom Jimmy Roberts of NBC
sports, Emmy award winning, likeone of the all time greats.
I mean, such a great, I mean,big fan.
I've been a big fan of JimmyRoberts for many, but he used to
be on ESPN, if I believe I canremember correctly, but he's
(02:13):
just good.
And he was so good.
He was so nice.
And he said, quote, I think Ineed a golf intervention.
I thought that was awesome.
Rob Failes (02:22):
He did.
Eric (02:24):
He asked us some cool questions.
He took pictures with us wasvery kind.
Um, so it was,
Rob Failes (02:30):
kept having flashbacks to the Olympics.
Like when, when, you know,watching the winter Olympics,
summer Olympics, you know, withhis work with NBC, I always
remember hearing his voice.
And so I was like, where am I atright now?
Eric (02:42):
always has something poignant to say.
That's the thing with JimmyRoberts is like, you can take a
moment and just like saysomething really good.
He told some cool stories, butyeah, just like sitting on the
stage.
And I even said.
Rob Failes (02:53):
Yeah.
Eric (03:05):
wrap my mind around that.
So, I want to thank the middleAtlantic PGA section, the folks
that nominated us and voted forus.
That was pretty cool.
And, uh, obviously all the hardwork, uh, for the section office
and people to put that togetherwas really fun.
Um, a couple of days, my wifewent up and stayed with me and
then we had education the nextday.
So we had a PGA meeting andeducation.
(03:26):
So anyway,
Rob Failes (03:26):
patients.
Eric (03:27):
there we are.
And then last week I think youwere on the move again.
So here we are.
We're back
Rob Failes (03:31):
we are.
You're back.
Eric (03:32):
a brand new episode of the golf intervention podcast.
And most importantly, you have astartup fantasy football.
Super flex dynasty draft comingup and I, and I have to admit,
I'm a bit of a degeneratefantasy football player.
Not going to lie.
People come to me for advice.
I've won many, many leaguesmany, many times.
(03:54):
And I love dynasty.
So dynasty, for those of youdon't know, you just keep your
players forever.
You know, you draft a team andthen super flex means, you know,
you actually can play well, youcan play it.
You know, a flex player, whichwe all kind of know, but it
could be a quarterback in asuper flex.
So when you're drafting superflex quarterbacks become a very
(04:16):
premium position.
Rob Failes (04:18):
Yes.
Eric (04:19):
And I am, you can see by my shirt, if you're looking on
video, a Steeler fan born andbred.
Rob Failes (04:24):
are wondering who is going to play quarterback for
the Pittsburgh Steelers, Eric,who's
Eric (04:29):
Listen, I'll take Mason Rudolph over the old dudes that
they're trying to sign all daylong.
Give me Mason Rudolph at4Million a year, sign a bunch of
free agents and then we'll goon.
That's what I'm thinking.
But your question was, you havethe number one pick in a
startup.
Rob Failes (04:48):
one.
Yeah,
Eric (04:50):
So I would say as a Steeler fan, so there's no bias
here.
There's a lot of WashingtonRedskins fans.
I still call them the Redskinsaround here.
Um, Jaden Daniels has got to bein the conversation for that,
for that one on one.
Rob Failes (05:06):
I think I'm going to click him.
Eric (05:08):
Are you a, are you a commander's guy?
Is that your team?
Rob Failes (05:11):
I'm not a commander's guy.
I'm a big Jane Daniels fan.
I tell you that.
I mean, he's He won me overactually, like I really enjoyed
watching him his last year thereat LSU, actually.
And so I was for him in hisfirst year and to see him do as
well as he did, um, I don'tknow, he's, he's got a fan in
me, so
Eric (05:31):
Oh,
Rob Failes (05:31):
to click him,
Eric (05:32):
so good.
So I drafted him in Dynasty lastyear.
Uh, not super flex, but I'mreally glad I did.
Cause He's awesome.
So, uh,
Rob Failes (05:41):
late ish, right?
You
Eric (05:42):
yeah,
Rob Failes (05:44):
5th?
Eric (05:45):
I got him 10th.
I got him 10th because you know,it's
Rob Failes (05:48):
Oh my
Eric (05:50):
I mean, yeah, no, it was it was a good pick.
Rob Failes (05:52):
absurd.
Eric (05:53):
So
Rob Failes (05:55):
That's crazy.
That's awesome.
Eric (05:57):
Quickly some other names.
I mean, I think sake one isstill in the conversation when
you play dynasty It's really athree row three.
I think it's a three yearrevolving window that you're
looking at I think I think sakeone has three really good years
left.
So think sake one still has tobe in the conversation there
He's generational.
Unbelievable.
Could take you to thechampionship.
(06:18):
Um, yeah, so I don't know.
The wide receivers are allreally good chase Jefferson, but
I think you got to get widereceiver later.
So I don't know.
I think it boils down to a fewquarterbacks.
Josh Allen's got to be in theconversation.
Rob Failes (06:34):
and
Eric (06:34):
He's got plenty of time, but Jaden Daniels, just he's got
such a long career ahead of.
Yeah, such a long career and he.
He made
Rob Failes (06:45):
too.
Eric (06:46):
football look really easy for a rookie last year.
It was really pretty impressive.
So he turned these Steeler fanswho've been living in
commander's country for betterpart of 20 plus years.
Um, we started liking thecommanders last year too, cause
that they were fun to watch.
So anyhow, back to the golfintervention
Rob Failes (07:06):
Oh, man, this is a
Eric (07:08):
wasn't that fun?
Wasn't that fun?
Rob Failes (07:10):
podcast.
Eric (07:11):
maybe we're setting up a spinoff show.
That's what we're doing.
Setting up a spinoff.
Yeah, we could, we couldactually do some,
Rob Failes (07:20):
it.
Eric (07:20):
yeah, we have some real,
Rob Failes (07:22):
think, I think we could
Eric (07:23):
golf pros are such degenerates.
I mean, we could bring on somepeople who are pretty serious
about, about fantasy football inall kinds of ways.
Um, so anyway.
Let's get back to the to the
Rob Failes (07:35):
do it.
Eric (07:44):
which we said we hadn't taken on, uh, the swing itself.
We kind of took on everythingelse around the swing itself
until the end.
And we really had to take it onin a way that was like.
The golf intervention way,right?
And what we thought about theswing in general, um, and how we
currently understand it.
Cause I think it's always anevolving thing, right?
(08:07):
Like we learn, we learn thingsall the time.
Like I, I learned things, Ilearned things from Dr.
Mike K that I hadn't really.
Thought about before.
And so this, the swing itselfand it's understanding is in a
very evolutionary phase.
I think a very good place ifyou're someone who likes to
study the golf swing mechanics,but it's also a very problematic
(08:28):
place, in my opinion,
Rob Failes (08:29):
place,
Eric (08:30):
the problematic place is that people are obsessed with
the golf swing.
They're obsessed with it.
Rob Failes (08:37):
Yes.
Today's episode,
Eric (08:39):
episode, when I, when I texted you, I said, Hey, maybe
we do an episode on sort of likehidden pitfalls that are sort of
impeding people's developments,right?
Constraints pitfalls, thingsthat people don't realize are
actually kind of like.
Messing them up.
And my biggest one on thatcurrently has gotta be the
(09:01):
obsession with the look of thegolf swing and this like,
Rob Failes (09:06):
the geometry, right?
Eric (09:07):
yeah, it's driving me nuts.
If there's anything that youhave, the listener took away
from.
That series that we did on thegolf swing, which is kind of a
loose series, few episodes.
I count the Mike K episode inthere a little bit on the golf
swing.
All that was golf swings.
Listen, if you take anythingaway, it's this, I'm going to,
Rob Failes (09:27):
away.
Eric (09:27):
to summarize it in a sentence that you need to
remember.
Rob Failes (09:30):
So I
Eric (09:32):
understand this.
And I hate to say this.
I think very few
Rob Failes (09:35):
I think
Eric (09:35):
golf instructors understand this as well.
So hopefully,
Rob Failes (09:39):
possibly
Eric (09:40):
be a positive.
Rob Failes (09:41):
and and
Eric (09:44):
of golfers and teachers.
Ready?
That your golf swing
Rob Failes (09:49):
golf
Eric (09:49):
gives you access to your golf skills.
Okay?
Rob Failes (09:53):
golf skills.
Eric (09:55):
skills and golf swings are two different things.
Rob Failes (09:58):
Or two different
Eric (09:59):
Okay?
Rob Failes (10:00):
A hundred percent.
Eric (10:01):
they're not completely You know, separate.
But, but what I'm saying is
Rob Failes (10:06):
I'm saying is,
Eric (10:07):
the obsession with golf swings is killing golfers,
killing them.
Rob Failes (10:12):
way.
Eric (10:13):
and the,
Rob Failes (10:14):
hundred
Eric (10:14):
the problem is every time you open Instagram or every time
I would say Instagram, I don'thave tick tock, but I think it's
just as bad.
Probably every time you open itup, you're.
You're just hit with all thiscrazy golf swing stuff, and I'm
Rob Failes (10:29):
Crazy, the
Eric (10:33):
now of people who don't teach golf, and frankly,
probably don't play it verywell, and they think they're
golf swing experts.
And they, they have these pagesthat, I saw a guy, Robbie, I
mean, this is where I kind oflike, this post had 4,
Rob Failes (10:47):
I
Eric (10:49):
likes.
It was some dude in corduroywith his pants hanging down,
standing on a mat in a field.
Talking about how he's inventeda golf swing that everyone
should do.
Okay, you need to close yourstance
Rob Failes (11:06):
can push
Eric (11:10):
throughout the whole swing and smash down on the ball
Rob Failes (11:13):
already.
Mm hmm.
Hmm.
There's Right.
Eric (11:32):
history.
What we are seeing is thatpeople have a very huge lack of
understanding about whatactually makes them score
better.
What actually makes them scorebetter, right?
It's not their swing.
It's their ability to use theirswing to create skills that
(11:52):
produce shots in the moment thatproduce scores.
So we can, right.
I mean, we've harped on this,you know, through the thing.
But it started to like kind ofmake me nuts.
I just literally was sittinghere.
Wait for you to come on.
Jackson was being, he was, hedidn't want to go to bed
tonight.
Sounds like
Rob Failes (12:08):
No.
Yep.
Eric (12:09):
he was wanting to watch bluey or something.
It was blue.
It was bluey on.
Is he a big bluey guy?
Is he like bluey?
Rob Failes (12:15):
Uh, he's, he's big into reading at night.
Eric (12:18):
Oh, he likes reading.
Rob Failes (12:19):
he
Eric (12:20):
Perfect.
Rob Failes (12:21):
I got to, I was like, all right, Jackson, one
more.
And then I'd finished the book.
And he's like, no, one more.
And I
Eric (12:26):
One more daddy.
Rob Failes (12:27):
say no?
Eric (12:28):
You can't say no.
You can't say that.
Listen.
Rob Failes (12:30):
No.
Eric (12:31):
I have kids that love to read.
You got to read to them.
It's the best thing you can do.
So, as I'm sitting herescrolling through my, through my
stuff, there was this, this guy,one of the, one of these guys
that doesn't teach golf, but hethinks he's a golf swing expert,
pops up in my feet all the time.
And he says, um, he can'tunderstand why Cameron Champ
isn't like the best player onthe tour.
(12:51):
Look at his swing.
It's perfect.
And here's video of himchipping.
Well, look, there's nothingwrong with his chipping.
Here's his putting stroke.
Look, the mechanics of hisPunning Stroke look fine.
They look fine to me.
He should be the best player onthe tour.
Could you miss the pointanymore?
Could you miss the point anymore than that?
Rob Failes (13:10):
Yes.
Eric (13:11):
You see what I'm saying?
There's plenty of people withswi Yes, Cameron Tramp has great
speed, he hits the ball f Great.
I have no idea about what hisstats are like.
But Your ability to produceshots when you need them in the
way that you need to is thething that gives you the skills.
That's where you have the skillsto make the scores.
Obviously, if he was making thescores, it's not the mechanics
(13:33):
that are doing it, right?
You could have Tiger Woodsputting stroke, but if you can't
control the speed or read agreen, you're going to be a
terrible putter, right?
So, point being, if there'sanything that you take away
Rob Failes (13:45):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Eric (13:55):
what you call the geometry or the look or the sort of
general understanding andmechanics of the swing without
understanding the relevance tohow that gives you access to
your skills, you are probablyputting yourself in this
terrible loop of trying this andtrying that and changing this
and changing that.
Rob Failes (14:13):
this.
Eric (14:14):
Your access to your skills.
Changes every time and itprobably doesn't immediately
give it may, it may get better,may not get better.
The fields are going to changeand then all of a sudden you're
going to have to try to findthat again as well.
So I don't know.
I'm a little bit, I said I wasfired up.
I guess I'm more fired up than Ithought I was.
I
Rob Failes (14:31):
up.
Eric (14:32):
what I had for dinner that was spicy.
But the point is, this is whatwe see as coaches.
Rob Failes (14:38):
100%.
Eric (14:40):
And isn't it fair, you know, you, you teach at a place,
you teach at a, at a publicfacilities that people, you
probably see more cross sectionof people than I do.
And I'm lucky because a lot ofthe people that come to see me,
they trust, they, they know meand they trust me.
I've been teaching there for 18years, right?
Rob Failes (14:56):
Yes.
Eric (14:57):
I don't have people walking in my bay who I teach a
lot are like, Hey, yeah, like.
Um, I saw this thing and I'mtrying it tomorrow.
Like, it doesn't happen a ton.
Right.
Um, what do you think about theGenkis internal shoulder thing?
Like, that just doesn't happen aton.
Why?
Because they trust what they'relearning from their coaches.
Right.
But I see it a ton in newstudents and I see it for people
(15:18):
who I'm friends with that playgolf.
Right.
Who are like, trying to learnand get better outside of my
country club world.
Right.
Like, friends of mine.
Um, what are you seeing on yourlesson team?
It's kind of.
Are you seeing a similar,
Rob Failes (15:32):
Similar.
Eric (15:33):
a similar deal out there of people kind of like
constantly chasing their tail intheir golf swing and not really
in it?
Right.
Rob Failes (15:44):
the first few minutes.
I'll ask them how, how can Ihelp today is really usually my
first question I'll ask evenreturning students.
And it's amazing how often theyjump straight to about positions
of the golf club, where they arein space, right?
saw this video that says I needto do this, right?
Um, it's, it's, it's all thetime.
(16:07):
It's all the time.
And so, um, I'm constantlyfighting that battle in the
lesson tea of getting them tounderstand that the shot and the
swing are separate, right?
There's this whole skill piecein the middle that we need to
not completely glance over.
Right.
And what that actually lookslike is, uh, is very
(16:27):
counterintuitive to a lot ofgolfers.
Cause I mean, like going back tosome of the Dr.
Prior stuff, we can talk aboutlike A shape beliefs versus V
shape beliefs, right?
So I'm on the video, I'm makingthis, uh, this kind of, uh, an A
shape between my two hands here,where the top very little space
between my fingers, the bottom,quite a bit of space between my
(16:48):
palms.
So the top is going to be ourperceived margin of error.
is our perceived consequences.
So a lot of people believeagain, swing creates shot,
right?
So they believe that if the shotisn't what they want, then it
was a swing issue, right?
And so it becomes as very muchlike, okay, was the shot good or
(17:10):
bad, which is a subjectiveopinion.
then the only solution to badshot is Better swing.
right.
Well, what does that mean?
Again, that's subjective aswell.
So we get out of this very sortof objective based feedback loop
of is the bottom of the swing inspace?
Where is the face relative tothe path?
(17:31):
Where is the speed relative toyour intent?
And we get into this very ofjudgmental, Oh, well, if that
ball didn't go where I wantedto, then there was something
wrong with my swing.
And that just gets golfers downthis rabbit hole of believing
they have to create this perfectgolf swing to create quote,
unquote, perfect shots.
(17:53):
I mean, there's, there's nothingreally more destructive to a
golfer's long term improvementthan that belief.
In my opinion,
Eric (18:00):
Because it,
Rob Failes (18:01):
the, the, the inverse, right.
If I'm going to go the opposite,right.
So you've got V shaped beliefs,right.
On the top is a ton of perceivedmargin of error at the bottom is
very short term temporaryexternal consequences, right?
So if we believe that, Hey, Ican swing the club, but really
the things that are creating theshot are the skills.
(18:24):
Which there are three main onesand they're always predictions,
right?
So we don't know before swingingthe golf club exactly where the
bomb, the swing is going to be,the face to path is going to be,
where the speed is going to be,So I'm making a very much a kind
of like a feel prediction thosethree skills with the swing that
(18:44):
I have, assuming I'm swingingfreely, right?
Which is the thing that kind ofstacks the odds in our favor
that we produce our prediction,which is what a lot of people
are looking for.
But, If we start to understandlike, Hey, I don't have control.
Like I can swing the club in alot of different ways, right?
create the shot that I'm tryingto create.
(19:05):
As long as I'm getting better atpredicting those skills.
Right.
And, and for me that, that opensgolfers up to say, Oh, like I
don't have to have.
This idea of this amazing, likeperfect golf swing.
I can actually take what I havecurrently and go out and play a
(19:25):
lot better golf, um, play a lotfreer golf, And have more
perceived, you know, morepredictability over what the
golf ball is doing.
Um, is a, a fun thing to showgolfers.
And oftentimes they'll say, Oh,I wasn't really expecting that.
I was like, yeah, it's
Eric (19:42):
right,
Rob Failes (19:42):
you give me.
Eric (19:43):
right.
Um, if I, yes, I totally agreebecause then they're They're
chasing to your point where youwere saying they, they blame the
swing for the shot.
Right?
You know, then they chase, theycheck, they want to change.
Right?
So this will happen in a lesson.
Sometimes I know you coachpeople up on this.
This is a mindset change.
(20:04):
In my opinion is like.
Hey, you know, I know thisthing's going on.
We, we do some diagnostics.
We're doing what, you know,we're trying to
Rob Failes (20:11):
whatever,
Eric (20:12):
them through the process of whatever it is they're
working on.
Could be swing change, could beskill work, could be something.
Right.
Um, and there's a percentage ofpeople that'll make like a swing
at it and go like, well, thatdidn't work.
Like, Oh, I hit that bad.
Right.
Rob Failes (20:27):
exactly,
Eric (20:28):
And we know like, yeah, well, I know you hit it bad.
I was watching, like I watchedthousands of shots every day and
I know
Rob Failes (20:33):
mean,
Eric (20:33):
hit that bad.
Rob Failes (20:34):
see
Eric (20:35):
Let's, let's relax for a second.
And let's, let's, let's workthrough that intent again and
again and again and see where itgoes, right?
Always try to judge.
Are we going in the rightdirection?
Are we going in the wrongdirection?
But the point is, Um, you're notgoing to gain control of
whatever it is we're working onin a swing.
It's not going to happen in oneswing.
Rob Failes (20:55):
you
Eric (20:56):
you've got to sort of work through it a little bit.
Rob Failes (20:58):
through it
Eric (20:58):
Um,
Rob Failes (20:59):
bit.
Eric (21:00):
what happens if you're not being coached up?
Rob Failes (21:02):
doing what you
Eric (21:02):
I'm someone who's intelligent.
Rob Failes (21:04):
who's
Eric (21:04):
a hard worker.
I research things.
When I, I'm a figure outer,right?
For lack of a better term, like,
Rob Failes (21:10):
my product.
I'm
Eric (21:12):
something's wrong with my car.
I'm going to try to figure thatout, right?
I'm going to figure out what'sgoing on there.
Or, um, You know, Hey, um,
Rob Failes (21:19):
you know,
Eric (21:19):
something's going on with my health.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna try tofigure that out right before I
go to the doctor or with thedoctor.
I'm gonna do my own research.
All that stuff is good, right?
There's there's a, there's,
Rob Failes (21:28):
There's
Eric (21:28):
there's benefits all that and engulf to probably,
Rob Failes (21:31):
don't take long.
Eric (21:32):
but at the end of the day, then, you know, you're taking
this perceived knowledge thatyou have.
Rob Failes (21:37):
and you're trying
Eric (21:40):
it into something that you don't have a great feel for.
And I'm just being honest withthat, right?
Rob Failes (21:44):
about.
Eric (21:44):
Most golfers don't have a great feel of where their body
and club are as they're swingingit.
They don't.
So what feedback are theygetting?
They hit the shot and they go,bad shot, bad swing, bad shot,
bad swing, right?
And no, no, on the, on theInstagram P1, P3, P5, P
whatever.
Rob Failes (22:02):
I was told this is bad.
That means this must be good,right?
Eric (22:06):
I saw three different things and I swear I don't try
to look at me just like asyou're flipping through reels
like I love reels, by the way,like, if there's anything I like
about.
Social media.
It's the hysterical like 30second reels that people do on
all kinds of things.
Like they just crack me up,right?
So like if I'm bored and I'mlike, you know chilling in my
bed Whatever I'm flippingthrough drinking my coffee and
(22:27):
these things pop up and I sawanother Do these two things for
a perfect backswing perfectbackswing?
There's no Write this down,people.
Rob Failes (22:38):
There is no perfect
Eric (22:39):
There's no such thing as a perfect backswing.
And all that tip can do is hurtyou because you're going to
search for the perfectbackswing, right?
And you're going to try to do itbecause you have a belief.
So here's another thing, whileI'm fired up about it.
These people know they're nothelping anybody.
Okay, that's not that's not whatthey're trying to do.
They're trying to gain theirnotary
Rob Failes (23:01):
what they want.
Eric (23:02):
correct.
Rob Failes (23:03):
want Yes.
Eric (23:05):
They and they're using that to get what they want,
which is eyeballs on them,right?
Rob Failes (23:09):
No,
Eric (23:09):
that gives them influence.
Rob Failes (23:11):
If you
Eric (23:12):
know full well in places that they don't talk about in
public
Rob Failes (23:16):
here.
Eric (23:16):
they are quote unquote helping nobody.
It's just part of what they doto get eyeballs on themselves.
Now, am I being critical?
But I'm not trying to becritical, but I do want to
protect my students.
If you tune into the golfintervention, it's because we
think you need an intervention,right?
And that part of theintervention is, I don't know
what I don't know.
That's why we call this showwhat we called it.
Rob Failes (23:35):
this
Eric (23:35):
It starts with, I don't know what I don't know.
That's why we started with it.
And in this sense, you have torealize that random swing
information isn't going to helpyou.
And I have a good story on thisfrom the other day.
Rob Failes (23:49):
that
Eric (23:50):
came in, super smart guy,
Rob Failes (23:52):
super smart
Eric (23:52):
a couple years, put a, actually, very good, I mean,
he's a newer member, just acouple years, I don't, didn't
know him very well.
Rob Failes (23:59):
didn't
Eric (24:00):
Good looking swing.
Like, if you take, okay,geometry of the swing, he looked
like, if you watched him fromthe other end of the range,
you'd go like, oh, that guy,good swing, right?
Good balance and rhythm andfollow through.
Rob Failes (24:10):
good arm movement.
And
Eric (24:11):
And
Rob Failes (24:11):
it's a good story.
Eric (24:12):
he came to me and he said, Eric, I just can't play.
Rob Failes (24:15):
I have
Eric (24:16):
I can't play.
This is the first lesson, right?
Rob Failes (24:17):
this is a first lesson.
Eric (24:18):
Um, okay.
What's the problem?
I hook everything like miles.
I'm like, okay.
So we start kind of looking atit
Rob Failes (24:25):
start having a
Eric (24:25):
and we do the diagnosis and I'm like, you know what?
Rob Failes (24:28):
and I'm not
Eric (24:28):
Um, here's what I think this is what you're doing.
I think you did a little bit toomuch of this too much of that
Rob Failes (24:33):
too
Eric (24:33):
and he is one of these ones that would do a lot of
research read a lot, a lot ofYouTube, a lot of whatever.
Rob Failes (24:38):
that.
Eric (24:38):
And he said, Eric, I had an epiphany about 3 months ago,
Rob Failes (24:42):
three months
Eric (24:43):
and he said, what if I'm wrong about all the things I
think I know
Rob Failes (24:47):
the things I'm doing.
Eric (24:50):
and he goes.
Rob Failes (24:51):
And
Eric (24:51):
You just, not on purpose,
Rob Failes (24:54):
not
Eric (24:54):
but I just realized I was wrong about all the things I
thought I know.
Rob Failes (24:57):
things I'm doing.
Eric (24:58):
because he didn't know good things.
He wasn't interpreting it to hisswing quite right,
Rob Failes (25:03):
it.
Eric (25:04):
He didn't
Rob Failes (25:04):
putting it into context, right?
Eric (25:06):
correct.
So the point is he, it was fiveminutes.
He's hitting it better, right?
It's just a couple of littlethings we were unwinding.
No big deal.
Rob Failes (25:14):
big deal.
Eric (25:15):
At the end of the day,
Rob Failes (25:16):
the end of the
Eric (25:17):
if you are going to work on your swing,
Rob Failes (25:19):
on your slaves,
Eric (25:21):
you think you need to work on your swing, you probably need
coaching.
That's just,
Rob Failes (25:23):
need
Eric (25:25):
it on this show.
Rob Failes (25:26):
do that.
That's just, that's, that's,that's a huge factor.
Eric (25:40):
Yeah.
Rob Failes (25:43):
Number one would be like scoring strategy.
Like, are you aiming in placesthat's not allowing you to swing
freely?
Because you know you don't havethe margin of error on one side
that you don't on the other.
Eric (25:53):
Right.
Rob Failes (25:53):
Alright, so that could be one.
Uh, your shot process.
Alright, are you not predictinglie, slope, and wind?
And how they're going toinfluence your golf ball.
Therefore, you're standing overit and you're trying to use your
golf swing to make up for Uh,three would just be the overall
(26:16):
mindset that you're bringing toyour play on the golf course.
Are you more of like fixedmindset or growth mindset in
terms of how you're your game?
Right?
Is this something where it'slike, okay, you've either got it
or you don't, or are you alwayslooking for opportunities to
learn and improve, which don'talways feel like playing well.
(26:36):
So
Eric (26:37):
Right.
Rob Failes (26:37):
would in, in what we know through the research and
what Dr.
Pryor shared with us, the codebreakers is that your mindset is
a wrong predictor ofperformance.
Strong predictor.
If you are, if you're bringingin, it fluctuates by the way,
but if you're bringing a fixedmindset into what you're doing,
you're going to feel on that ingeneral, you're going to feel
(26:59):
more anxiety, which is going todisrupt your skills and disrupt
your rhythm.
Simple as that.
Right?
Eric (27:04):
And stunt your learning.
Rob Failes (27:06):
there's.
Correct.
Yeah.
So there's, that's, there'sthree.
All right.
And then we haven't even gotteninto skill.
There's four.
And then from the swingstandpoint, are your clubs fit
for you?
Are you in posture?
There's five,
Eric (27:19):
Right.
Rob Failes (27:20):
right?
Are you holding the club in a,in a, in a, in a functional way?
Right.
So like that's all happeningbefore the club starts moving.
Eric (27:27):
Right.
And so the, the reason why,
Rob Failes (27:30):
many options.
Eric (27:31):
yeah, and the reason why that's not the popular
discussion.
On Instagram is because youcan't pack.
You can't really it's hard topackage that up in 30 seconds in
a way.
That's interesting or attractiveor for lack of a better term.
Sexy like something that you'regoing to look at and click on.
Like, you know, you're going tolook at.
Oh, she's, you know, click onthis 1 and watch it.
(27:55):
Right?
Like, that's kind of how itgoes.
And.
You know, it is what it is.
Like if you, I guarantee you, ifyou, if you took one of those
influencers and had them do a, amindset, you know, like a
mindset clip, I'm going to guessit doesn't get a lot of clicks,
right?
Processes are boring, butprocesses are vital.
(28:17):
Like they're the absolute mostvital thing.
And so you just ran through abunch of stuff that I was going
to, I was going to say like,what are the pitfalls, right?
You just ran the list down.
Right?
You just ran down the list ofstuff.
No, it's perfect because it's,it's all I really wanted to talk
about today is like, what arethe things that people don't
realize are holding them back?
(28:38):
And you just went through thelist because they always think
it's their swing.
Now, some people will go like,some people have some good
awareness of like scoringstrategy.
They'll go like, Eric, I've gotno clue about scoring strategy
or Eric.
I've got no, I've got no routineon the course.
Rob Failes (28:53):
think
Eric (28:55):
how to judge slope.
I don't, you know, so those, Ithink there's some awareness on
those.
Rob Failes (28:59):
Yeah.
Eric (29:00):
predictability piece,
Rob Failes (29:02):
know,
Eric (29:03):
you know, skill training or practice habits, or, you
know, what are your capabilitiesfrom your body or your
limitations from your bodyequipment is very misunderstood
and under an underestimated,like equipment is huge for
Rob Failes (29:20):
it's
Eric (29:21):
that plays this game.
Rob Failes (29:22):
the,
Eric (29:23):
not the, it's not the arrow over the Indian or
whatever that saying is like,you've got to have equipment
that works for you.
Or it's going to be, you're,you're making golf harder on
you, right?
Rob Failes (29:33):
calls
Eric (29:34):
On yourself.
Then it's going to be, again,you're going to blame your swing
for things that have it, havenothing to do with it.
Right?
I mean, I see it all the time.
I'm lucky we've got a lot ofwork with a lot of people who
are very growth minded.
I mean, I think that's a productof probably being pretty
successful in life, like, beingable to learn and grow and
(29:56):
understand.
And and so.
Rob Failes (29:58):
And
Eric (29:59):
It's pretty fun.
I, I can't,
Rob Failes (30:00):
pretty
Eric (30:00):
I'm not going to lie.
Like the last few weeks havebeen
Rob Failes (30:03):
few
Eric (30:03):
extremely busy.
I mean, it was like the, it waslike the worst winter we've had
in probably six or seven yearsin Virginia, you know, snow on
the ground for weeks at a time.
Um, and then when the, it waslike, there was a Saturday
afternoon.
Okay.
We had the, we had all the baydoors down and in simulators for
weeks.
(30:24):
And then we're looking at theforecast, looking at the
forecast.
We're like, Oh, the snow's goingto melt Friday.
By Saturday at lunchtime, it'sgoing to be 50 degrees.
Rob Failes (30:33):
Yeah.
Eric (30:36):
the bay doors up.
And it was like the season hit.
It was like, it was just Katiebar the door.
It was, it's been nuts eversince.
So we've been really, reallybusy and it's been fun.
It's been fun kind of gettingback into the groove of teaching
a bunch of lessons.
Um, but people want to playbetter.
And I think that when we're,when we're doing this, we do
this for one reason.
(30:57):
And I think everybody gets itthat tunes in because we don't,
we don't ask for anything andwe're just like.
Rob Failes (31:02):
that we're
Eric (31:02):
Two dudes in sweatshirts talking on a microphone.
Rob Failes (31:05):
on the
Eric (31:05):
Um,
Rob Failes (31:07):
Uh,
Eric (31:07):
just want you to play better.
Rob Failes (31:08):
just want to get
Eric (31:08):
There's answers out there.
Rob Failes (31:10):
answers
Eric (31:10):
we're hoping that we can guide you on a process as, as
you enter 2025 golf season, thatyou could just play better and
not necessarily have to swing abetter quote unquote.
To do it, right?
Rob Failes (31:23):
to do
Eric (31:24):
So,
Rob Failes (31:25):
Right?
So,
Eric (31:26):
I don't know if I'm still ranting.
I kind of feel like I'm stillranting.
I'm going to end rant and rant
Rob Failes (31:31):
I'm just saying.
I've
Eric (31:32):
hard.
Stop and rant.
And we're going to talk aboutother pitfalls.
Although you kind of named themall.
So what else you want to talkabout?
So, it's good, because I feellike what I was going to name as
the, as the hidden pitfalls.
Rob Failes (31:46):
to
Eric (31:46):
going to be fixed mindset versus growth mindset.
It was going to be theequipment.
Rob Failes (31:51):
fun to
Eric (31:52):
Um, it was,
Rob Failes (31:53):
will be episode 1 and 5,
Eric (31:56):
I have to be honest,
Rob Failes (31:57):
behind the
Eric (31:58):
this will be episode 41 when we put it out.
And one of my favorite episodesof all of them was the one we
called, I think it was calledmindset.
Was it called mindset?
A golfer secret superpower, Ithink is what I titled it.
And I could listen to thatepisode over and over again.
(32:20):
It, it, there's so much goodstuff and you were the lead on
that.
It was really, really good.
And, um,
Rob Failes (32:26):
And,
Eric (32:26):
I kind of told the story, like, I went to UVA, which my
son's at UVA, which is
Rob Failes (32:30):
some of your
Eric (32:32):
One of the great
Rob Failes (32:33):
I'm
Eric (32:33):
universities
Rob Failes (32:34):
guys.
Eric (32:34):
the world
Rob Failes (32:35):
and
Eric (32:35):
and when we went to the parents orientation,
Rob Failes (32:39):
the
Eric (32:39):
this world renowned author, like she's literally
written like five best sellingbooks.
She's a psychologist.
She leads their second.
Rob Failes (32:46):
reason as a
Eric (32:47):
She got up and did a whole presentation on the same
research.
Carol.
Quick, what, uh, you know,growth versus fixed mindset.
And I was like, this isincredible.
It was like two weeks before wehad recorded this episode.
So if you haven't listened tothat, I don't have the number in
front of me, but we call itmindset.
The golfer's secret superpower.
Please go back and listen tothat episode.
It is, it is not just aboutgolf, obviously it's about life.
(33:10):
But when you think about
Rob Failes (33:12):
when you think about.
Eric (33:13):
the foundation for what it is and anything you want to
develop or succeed in, is it notmindset rap fails?
Like Is it not give, give us,
Rob Failes (33:25):
right?
Eric (33:26):
where it starts.
So, so give us some insight.
What did, did, did Dr.
Prior go into some of this, uh,more in depth in the code
breakers retreat?
Like what was the story there?
Rob Failes (33:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, he did, uh, he did two
presentations each, so basicallysix hours uh, of total
presentation time on Mindset.
Eric (33:48):
Six hours on the mindset.
I'm going next year, by the way,I'm in next year is, is I, I,
sorry.
I had to miss, but I will notmiss again.
Rob Failes (33:56):
very, we're, we're very hopeful that we'll be able
to get him back next year.
Um,
Eric (34:01):
Have we picked a location for next year?
Rob Failes (34:05):
uh, so going back and
Eric (34:06):
Okay, got it.
Rob Failes (34:08):
likely Skokie country club and, uh, and kind
of greater Chicago area GarrettChassard is
Eric (34:15):
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Okay, great.
Rob Failes (34:17):
is, uh, it's kind of the current hypothesis, but, but
we'll see what happens.
But yeah, I mean, Dr.
Pryor just really went.
Deep on it for two days and kindof overwhelmed right now
thinking about it.
But, um, a couple of the, acouple of the big things that I
took away from it was just thepower of questions.
(34:37):
And like how you can ask golferssome very, very relevant, vital
questions that get them to kindof understand the difference and
get them more aware of likewhere they're currently at.
Um, and so like a really goodquestion would be like, why are
we here today?
Eric (34:54):
Mm hmm.
Rob Failes (34:54):
So like, are we here to look better or are we here to
get better?
Right.
And so that's the first thing,like when golfers come to the
range, ask yourself thatquestion first.
It's like, all right, am I hereto look better or am I here to
get better?
And if you're really in the keyto this as being honest with
yourself, because I know thereare so many times my golfing
(35:19):
history, I've gone to thepractice facility and I've
chosen to do the thing.
That I knew was going to make melook the best,
Eric (35:31):
Oh, so you were gonna make an Instagram post with your
swing in slow motion?
Come on.
Come on.
Be honest.
Be honest.
It's, it's
Rob Failes (35:39):
let's say, let's say my skills have been, my, my
skills have been really, really,um, lining up with my short
game, right?
So I'm going to go over theshort game and hit some like
nippy little low spinners fromperfect lives, right?
And just in case if someonewatches me, in case someone
looks over, right?
They're going to see me hittingthese shots.
(36:01):
And so the underlying thingthere is like, that's me trying
to protect my perception of howother people are perceiving me.
Eric (36:14):
very much.
Rob Failes (36:15):
the, when you peel the onion back, it's like, okay,
well, why, why is that the case?
Like, almost like, like keepasking why it's like, okay, like
other's perceptions over yourown.
That's a very, very common biasturns out.
humans tend to, some humans, andnot everyone's the case, and it
(36:37):
changes from activity toactivity.
But many of us, when it comes tohow we're perceived, we value
others perceptions over our own.
Right?
And so, a big domino.
It's like, hey, like, is otherpeople's perceptions relevant
the task?
The answer is no.
(36:58):
Uh,
Eric (36:58):
hmm.
Zero percent.
Rob Failes (36:59):
better?
Right, exactly.
Does worrying about what otherpeople think make you feel
better or worse?
Worse.
Do you perform better or worse?
Eric (37:11):
Worse.
Rob Failes (37:12):
right?
So like, again, you're askingpeople these questions.
very just like, and you got tobe honest with them and probably
be in a safe space to wherethey're feel open to, to
actually answering them.
But if you can just ask these,like kind of very sort of like
leading honest questions, canreally get someone to kind of
turn around their behaviors.
(37:33):
Um, so I think that's a, that'sa big one.
I think, uh, when it comes to,when it comes to mindset, I
think, I mean, gosh, there's so,there's so many that we could go
down.
Um, Why are, why are we here?
Are you here to, to find aguarantee, That's another good
Eric (37:53):
Mm hmm.
Rob Failes (37:53):
like, Do you believe that there is a guarantee?
And then the answer is, is no,right?
So there's, there's no guaranteethat if you swing the club in
this way that you're gonna hitthe shot that you want, right?
There's no guarantee that if youwork hard, you're gonna get the
results that you want, right?
(38:14):
There is no guarantee that ifyou subscribe to this training
program, right, you're going toget to this point at this point
in time, right?
So a lot of times we go downthese rabbit holes to try to
guarantee outcome, right?
And again, oftentimes that, thatsearch for a guarantee is really
(38:36):
what it is, is it's avoiding afuture outcome that we're not
willing to accept.
It's typically what it is,right?
So I had a, I had a lesson with,uh, with a student just last
week.
and he just came to me and waslike, you know, I've got to
eliminate the ball going right.
I have to, have to eliminate it,
Eric (39:00):
Zero golfers in history have eliminated the ball going
right, but yeah.
Rob Failes (39:05):
I basically come in and say like, Hey, like I, I'm
looking to guarantee that Idon't hit that shot again.
And so what was
Eric (39:13):
Mm
Rob Failes (39:14):
is like on the range, on the range, he was
actually hitting it fine.
Like
Eric (39:18):
hmm.
Mm
Rob Failes (39:19):
hit a couple balls right of target, a couple balls
left of target.
He's talking about a big miss tothe right.
Eric (39:23):
hmm.
Rob Failes (39:24):
And uh, I mean he's, he was performing to, I'd say
about a five handicap.
Uh, but when I asked him hisaverage score, he said low
nineties, high
Eric (39:37):
Mm
Rob Failes (39:38):
right?
So on the range, right, the hugediscrepancy.
So, turns out when he's going onthe golf course, he has a
mindset around, Okay, if I hitthat out of bounds shot to the
right, I'm basically cooked forthe day.
Eric (39:54):
hmm.
Mm hmm.
I'm done.
Mentally, I'm done.
Rob Failes (39:56):
you're, you're done, right?
So that outcome for him becomeso threatening that he will,
he's going into full onavoidance mode on the golf
course.
It's like, okay, I've just gotto steer this thing.
Like I've got to try toguarantee I've got to make sure
just increasing tension levels,which is making those skills
(40:18):
even more variable.
Um, so we had to have a prettyhonest conversations like, Hey,
like.
So before we, before we actuallywork to reduce that, the
frequency of that happening,you've got to understand that
there is hundred percentpossibility that we could with
whatever we do, like you standon the golf course tomorrow,
step on that first tee and hitthat same shot.
(40:41):
You can do it.
Eric (40:42):
Mm hmm.
Rob Failes (40:43):
You could do it for the first couple of holes.
You could do it for all nineholes.
You could go an 18 hole roundthat ball uncontrollably to the
right.
Yeah, that would suck.
Is it truly worth it?
Like employing this avoidancebased strategy.
(41:05):
And like, I asked him somequestions about like, okay,
like, how does your swing feelwhen you just try to steer it
out there?
It's like, oh, it feels.
Like, I don't swing like that onthe range, but on the golf
course, it feels awful.
Like, all right, well, you know,one of the, one of the stories
Dr.
Pryor shared at Code Breaker islike the, um, several, um, of
(41:26):
the armed forces use, um, kindof this stage one, stage two,
um, regret kind of model.
And there might actually be astage three regret, but, um, I
only right now remember thefirst two stages.
Um, stage one is we did it theway we wanted to do it and it
didn't work out.
Which I personally wouldn't evencall regret, but that's what,
(41:46):
that's what they call it.
two is we, we didn't do it theway we wanted to do it and it
didn't work out.
Which is
Eric (41:57):
That's
Rob Failes (41:57):
that's the one that they're, that's the one that
they're trying to eliminate.
Like they're trying to reduce asmuch as possible is.
If they go off mission, like ifthey go off of the, uh, like
their procedure or kind of theoperation and they lose someone
like that is unacceptable tothem.
Whereas, you know, they areaccepting prior to going into
(42:20):
that mission is like, okay,we're going to do this thing the
way that we've decided to do it.
If we lose someone, that's goingto suck.
It's, we're not going to losesomeone because we went.
Off script
Eric (42:32):
Mm hmm.
Rob Failes (42:33):
decided to prioritize this outcome the
mission.
Eric (42:38):
Yeah.
Rob Failes (42:39):
and so again, that's what it is.
It's just prioritizing theoutcome the processes that make
the outcome more or less likely.
And so,
Eric (42:47):
Mm hmm.
Rob Failes (42:48):
course, of course, the, the outcome is important to
us.
Of course, we want to hit thefairway.
Of course, we want to hit thegreen.
Of course, we want to shoot lowscores.
Like, of course, those thingsare important to us.
Um, but are they relevant?
Right.
And the answer is.
No, because outcomes are bydefinition always off time.
So outcomes always happened orhaven't happened yet,
Eric (43:14):
Interesting.
Yeah.
Rob Failes (43:15):
right?
Eric (43:15):
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
Mm hmm.
Rob Failes (43:18):
they are always off time.
Therefore, are irrelevant to thetask.
Again, difference between beingimportant to us and being
relevant.
They are not relevant.
You do not need to be placingyour attention on outcome.
Um, and I just think that's,that's such an important
(43:40):
distinction between what'simportant versus what's
relevant.
The best players in the worldare able to filter out what is
relevant, better than all of us,essentially, right?
Scotty Scheffler, he was injail, right?
He literally got sent to jailthe morning of the, was it the
PGA
Eric (43:59):
PGA Championship.
Yeah.
Rob Failes (44:01):
PGA championship?
Yeah.
Eric (44:02):
hmm.
Rob Failes (44:02):
Warming up in his jail cell, right?
So, was able to, that day, stillshoot, what did he shoot?
67?
Eric (44:11):
Shot under par.
Yeah.
Yeah.
A shot under par.
Yep.
It's crazy.
Rob Failes (44:16):
So, he was, so, you talk about filtering out what's
irrelevant?
Like, that's a master class inthat.
I mean, it's, there's nobodybetter on earth than filtering
out irrelevant information, Ithink, than Scotty.
Eric (44:31):
You know Yeah, I think he's the best.
I mean, I do this with juniorgolfers and, and frankly, I
could probably do it with, withadult golfers too, but it's just
the relationships a littledifferent, right?
Like you get, you get a 14 yearold boy in your, in your bay,
who's trying to make his varsitygolf team.
And, you know, and they, andyou're like, they're saying
(44:51):
things and you're like, thatdoesn't matter.
That doesn't matter.
You know, in your mind, you'relike, not relevant, not
relevant, not relevant, notrelevant.
So, you know, I'll draw adiagram, right?
Like I just draw a diagram or wemake a list of like, I'll say,
well, how does this affect yourscore?
Right?
Like, how does this affect me?
Right?
Does it go inside what mattersin the circle or does it go
outside the circle of whatmatters?
(45:14):
And so I do this.
I don't do it all the time.
I do it when necessary.
Right?
Um, it's powerful.
When they, and they take it homeand they're like, oh, yeah, you
know, like that wasn't relevant.
This, this was really like, youknow, well, Eric, I couldn't
warm up, you know, there wasn'tany time to, well, did anybody
warm up?
No.
Okay.
So like, you know, we, we kindof go through all these
(45:36):
different parts of their story
Rob Failes (45:38):
of
Eric (45:38):
to get them just focused on what matters.
Right.
Rob Failes (45:41):
what
Eric (45:41):
Because they're just worried about everything and I
think that that's golfers justin general.
There's a lot to get focused onThere's a lot out there.
There's all kinds of things youcould be distracted by so many
things that are irrelevant toyour score and
Rob Failes (45:57):
a hundred percent.
My
Eric (46:04):
Like that could not be any less relevant Right?
Like even as a golf pro chippingon the chipping green, like, Oh,
someone sees me.
I'm the golf pro.
Like I better do this.
Well, like it's stillirrelevant.
Yeah.
It's still irrelevant.
So you have to, and this goesback to the thing about the golf
swing stuff.
It's just like, to your point,No, at P3,
Rob Failes (46:27):
is going
Eric (46:28):
this and that, like all this stuff we see,
Rob Failes (46:30):
percent true.
Eric (46:31):
it's not going to guarantee you anything.
Right?
Rob Failes (46:33):
video.
Eric (46:34):
that you're, you're telling the story about a guy
who's fixated on where hedoesn't want his ball to go when
he's playing golf and you can't
Rob Failes (46:42):
not feel good.
Eric (46:43):
does not feel we've all been there.
By the way.
I know this because I've beenthere.
I've been there too.
I had a big right miss, but atthe end of the day.
Okay.
You can't focus on what youdon't want to have happen,
right?
You have to focus on what you dowant to have happen.
And that's a positive mindsetthat helps you, guides you
(47:03):
through this whole process.
And hopefully, hopefully thethings you do want to have
happen are also relevant at thesame time, because there could
be an irrelevant part of thatequation.
So,
Rob Failes (47:15):
And just the things that the things that I got two
other things that that arecoming to mind as you're
talking, again, the things thatare irrelevant are off time,
right?
So if we think about things thatthat haven't happened yet, I
think it's helpful to reiteratethe fact that the future is
Always uncertain again, likewhen it comes to the skills, I
(47:40):
don't care who you are.
You, you don't know, you neverknow exactly where the bottom of
the swing is going to be inspace.
You don't know, right?
You don't know exactly where theclub face is going to be
relative to the path at impact.
Eric (47:58):
definitely don't know that.
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Rob Failes (48:02):
prior to swinging the golf club.
And there is nothing that anyonecan tell you that will make you
know prior to swinging the golfclub.
All right.
For some of you, this might besounding like I'm.
Kicking your cat or somethinglike the almost like I'm telling
you Santa Claus isn't real,right?
(48:23):
Because this is like what peoplego when people get in really
really dark and stormy places intheir golf game It's when
they're trying to find certaintyin something that is always
uncertain
Eric (48:35):
Mm hmm.
Rob Failes (48:36):
Right and so then the the belief becomes oh, I
have to control everything thatI can that I possibly can,
right?
so that becomes control or Ijust have to control everything.
So I got to control the future,which means I need to worry
about it.
I have to control the past,which means I need to ruminate
about it.
Right?
I need to control all of thesethings, maybe that are on time,
(48:59):
but not relevant, right?
So it just becomes this laundrylist of conditions, right?
And this is another, he said, ifyou hear people say common
things like, if I can just dothis if I can just do this,
right?
Eric (49:15):
Yeah.
Rob Failes (49:15):
know what?
If I could just do, if I couldjust do that.
If I can just do that, then I'llbe able to enjoy the game.
These are the people, this is,this is not the people, but this
is the state mind that we'retalking about.
That is very common that we seeevery day is like all of these
conditions that we believe thatwe have to impose upon ourselves
(49:37):
in order to play well.
And we went through, it was kindof a fun little exercise I did
with a, with another attendee.
Part of the thing we love aboutcode breakers is that talent,
there's a lot of talent in theroom, right?
So you get to.
To brainstorm with other kind oflike minded folks.
We were talking about what arethe actual conditions to playing
(50:00):
your best?
All right, well, number one, yougot to get to the tee on time.
You got to get to the first teeon time, right?
Got to do that.
You got to have all your clubs.
You gotta have at least howevermany clubs you need to play,
right?
Um, you gotta have a certainnumber of golf balls.
I don't know how many, right?
(50:20):
But you need to have golf balls,right?
don't need a tee.
You can play golf without a tee.
You can play golf without aglove.
You can play golf without a warmup.
You can play golf Without likingyour playing competitors, you
can
Eric (50:33):
Mm
Rob Failes (50:33):
golf
Eric (50:34):
hmm.
Rob Failes (50:35):
having good weather, right?
You can't play in lightning, butyou can play all sorts of
different conditions.
You don't have to have a certaincut of grass.
You don't have to have a certainwind direction, you know, like
all of these things like there'spretty few conditions that are
actually true to playing yourbest and again, like The, the
(50:56):
Scotty thing kind of what mademe talk about like, cause if
people think, Oh, I've got tohave this 45 minute warmup and
I've got it.
Oh, and then another one thatyou hear like that, that I see
all the time is like peoplepractice to try to find that,
like, Oh, I've, I've got to hita couple of good ones.
Just to tell me that tomorrow isgoing to be okay.
Eric (51:14):
Right.
Rob Failes (51:15):
that certainty.
And this is where you're like,all right, last ball.
And they hit it off the toe.
Like, no, no, no, no, no.
Last ball.
Eric (51:21):
Got a hand on a good one.
Rob Failes (51:22):
keep going.
Keep going.
You got it.
And like, I've stopped doingthat completely.
Like, no, you do not have to endon a good one.
What happens if you're playingthe 18th hole and your last full
swing is a shank.
Right?
You're going to be ending onthat shank, right?
And you've got to pre accept.
Here's the deal.
Again, if it's when we don't preaccept everything or in anything
(51:47):
and everything that couldpossibly happen, is when we
start creating like these very,very kind of conditional
avoidance strategies.
have to be willing to accept,not have to, but like to be
helpful.
Right?
Could be helpful.
If we accept,
Eric (52:03):
be willing to.
Yeah.
Rob Failes (52:06):
we could strive to, we could strive toward, uh,
again, I'm trying not to imposeconditions on people, but it's
hard, um, we could, we, we couldstrive toward all potential
future outcomes.
Right?
It's like a radical acceptance,right?
(52:28):
Because people like they judgethe shot.
They judge every single shot iseither and they know they're
going to do it beforehand.
Right?
And that's where a lot of thisanxiety comes in.
It's like, all right, here wego.
Is it going to be a good one ora bad one?
Right?
And just like stop, like justplay around a golf where it's
just like, okay, the ball wasthe here.
is currently there.
(52:50):
End of sentence.
Stop.
Eric (52:52):
That's it.
It
Rob Failes (52:54):
right?
The ball was here.
Now it's there.
All right, now the task is, canyou put one foot in front of the
other until you get to the golfball?
Put your clubs down, figure outhow far you're going to hit it,
out what direction you're goingto hit it, take your club out,
do whatever you hit the shot,right?
And then wherever that ball wentis now where the ball is and go
(53:16):
do that, right?
And just repeat that.
And just get out of thisjudgment, right?
This, this, that was a goodshot.
That was a bad shot.
Again, if it feels good to ourbrain to tell us that the shot
was good, but the problem isthat it's a double edged sword,
because if you're always judgingit when it's good, it's going to
make you feel twice as crappywhen you're judging, by the way,
(53:40):
golf, you're going to hit more.
Shots that you're going toperceive as poor relative to the
ones that you perceive as greatYou're going to be beating
yourself up the entire it's it'snot worth it I can probably see
like the high that you get fromlike saying.
Oh, that was amazing is notworth low that you get from
beating yourself up constantlythroughout a round of golf.
(54:04):
And I'm not saying don't enjoygood shots, but enjoy playing
shots for the enjoyment of thefeeling of playing the shot
itself.
Like, I guarantee you, when youhit the ball out the center of
the face, that feels a heck of alot more pleasurable than
hitting out the toe or the heel.
Or like, when the ball goes inthe direction that you want,
generally, feels a heck of a lotmore fun and better than when
(54:28):
the ball's not.
Right?
And just I appreciate that.
I've told players like, Hey, youcan go a, have the best burger
in town and enjoy the burger,but you don't have to write a
review, right?
You can go to a restaurant andhave a like the food took
forever, right?
It was undercooked, whatever.
(54:49):
can say, all right, well, Icaught him on a bad night,
right?
Or just, I got a bad, I got abad one.
All right, but you don't have toleave a review.
Like All right.
Yeah.
I was just one, right?
You don't have to label yourselfas a bad golfer or a great
golfer.
You don't have like all thesesubjective opinions that we're
layering on top of this are nothelping in my opinion.
(55:13):
So I guess that was, that was myrant.
So in rant
Eric (55:16):
was a good, good.
We're ranting tonight.
We won't rant all the time, butyou know, every now and again we
rant.
It's okay.
Um, that's because we are so, wedesire.
Everyone to enjoy the gamebecause we and I enjoy it at a
high at a very high level andall we ever.
Rob Failes (55:35):
playing the game, like literally just playing the
game is enjoyable,
Eric (55:39):
Oh, my gosh.
I mean, just being in nature.
Yeah, we're, we're gonna get tothat.
You know, you get those feelingsthis time of year because, you
know, here we have the dormantBermuda grass and it, you know,
it's starting to, you know, comeinto starting to turn green and
then.
You know, the trees are bloomingand the leaves start popping out
(55:59):
and the sunshine is out and thedays are warmer and like, you
start to realize what it is you,why you connect to this game so
much, right?
Because you're, you're in thisenvironment that's so inspiring.
It feels so, you know, it'sjust, it's just good for your
whole soul in my opinion.
Right?
Like, my, my opinion, there'sone, there's going to be one
(56:21):
sport in heaven and it's golf,like, period, like, it's.
It's the Lord's game is myopinion.
So, like, you know, you, youjust, you feel that you feel it
when you're playing it.
It's meant to be in nature.
And it's like, if we go outthere and we lose that, that
context, if we lose that, like,everything turns into a judgment
(56:42):
on our self worth.
Every time we had a shot and we.
We forget like how blessed weare to just be on a beautiful
piece of property hitting a golfshot.
Like it's,
Rob Failes (56:50):
yes.
Eric (56:51):
cool.
And I think if we can alwayskeep that in mind, you're going
to play better.
You're going to play in a moreenjoyable way.
You'll play freer.
You'll play better.
Probably.
I mean, there's no guarantees asyou said, but like,
Rob Failes (57:03):
gosh.
And that's, we, we didn't geteven into that, but like there's
been, know, when you talk aboutthe, the effects of being off
time versus on time.
So like when you're present.
And typically the downstreameffects of being present is
going to be drastically reducedtension levels, improvement of
(57:24):
the quality of your breath.
All right.
So going back to Dr.
Mike K, okay.
Your swing literally feelseasier, freer, and more fun.
Like literally the act ofswinging the golf club feels
like a fun activity or a morefun activity when you're
present.
Like Um, from start to finish,like, Hey, like if you can stay
(57:47):
present to whatever you're doingfrom that club breaks away to
the end of the swing, I canpromise you it's going to be a
more fun and enjoyableexperience than if you're always
saying, okay, I've got to makesure this outcome doesn't
happen.
got to make sure that prioroutcome doesn't happen again.
I've got to make sure this lookslike a good swing in front of my
(58:09):
buddies.
Or I've got to like make surethat I do these 16 things that
I've, that I've been told that Ihave to do.
Right?
Like though, that does not feelas much fun as, uh, or is that,
or is nearly as effective asbeing present.
And on time and on task.
Eric (58:28):
No question about it.
So I guess our rants today werereally about how we tend to get
in our own way when it comes toour golf performance.
Right?
I mean, that kind of, kind ofwhat we were talking about.
Rob Failes (58:40):
will be a, like a mindset constraint, right?
Like
Eric (58:42):
Yeah.
Rob Failes (58:43):
how fixed, more of like a fixed mindset, can create
a constraint.
Eric (58:50):
And I think that, you know, when we started off with,
with my rant on the golf swingstuff, it's just That's part of
the whole story, right?
Like it's part of the, that'spart of the mindset too, is like
understanding what is relevantto you.
And, um, and I just kind of feellike, again, just chasing our
tails with trying to change ourswing every day.
(59:11):
It's just, it's just not, it'sjust not, or every swing.
Hey, I've got this new swing.
Okay.
Okay.
Um, but at the end of the day.
Yeah, you've got to be a littleweary about who you're listening
to when it comes to that, whattheir intentions are.
Right.
Um, and make sure that you'rewell aware that you should only
(59:36):
be listening to people that arereally, truly invested in your
performance.
Right?
Like, that's, that's the way Iwould look at it.
Rob Failes (59:44):
and if you're going to change your swing, if you're
going to go down that rabbithole, just make sure it wasn't
the very first thing, numberone, then number two, make sure
we're doing it for the rightreasons.
So a couple of things that Ishare with my players is like,
we change swing when It's goingto reduce the likelihood of
injury or if like there's a waythat we get you moving the club
(01:00:06):
that Alleviates pain right sothat's going to be a great
reason to change swing We changeswing to make it more efficient
terms of clubhead speed or ballspeed, right?
So less perceived effort,
Eric (01:00:20):
Mm hmm.
Rob Failes (01:00:21):
more ball speed.
And then third, we do it to biasyour skills in a desirable way
or like a
Eric (01:00:28):
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Rob Failes (01:00:30):
if you're, if your swing is really biasing your
skills in a certain way, we canchange your swing or we can
improve your swing or howeveryou want to think about to adapt
and change the bias of thoseskills.
But it is not, we do not changeswing to guarantee an avoidance
of outcomes that we don't.
Eric (01:00:52):
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Rob Failes (01:00:53):
And that's, that's the biggest thing is like, you
know, Oh, if I just do this,it's going to make then this
feature outcome, not willing toupset, except is, is not going
to happen.
There is no swing on earth.
There's no such thing as a golfswing that that can do that.
Eric (01:01:10):
Yeah.
There's no guarantees.
And I think that's the That,that's the crux of this episode,
think that was, that was the,uh, that was the whole point.
So, thank you, Rob Fales.
I think that worked out prettywell.
Rob Failes (01:01:25):
Thank you.
Eric (01:01:25):
Anything else you want to add?
I mean, do you have any othernames you wanted to add to the,
um, potential list who you'rethinking of at the 1 1 in the,
uh, Dynasty Superflex League?
I mean, I've got some othernames.
Like, I'm a big fan of the, ofthe running back from Boise, and
I know we haven't seen him onthe field yet, but man.
Rob Failes (01:01:45):
can't do
Eric (01:01:46):
I'm just going to tag, I'm just going to
Rob Failes (01:01:48):
superflex.
Eric (01:01:49):
I'm just gonna tell you right now, get a special.
Get a special.
Write it down.
Rob Failes (01:01:54):
he's special.
He just hasn't, again, I could,
Eric (01:01:57):
tackle him.
Rob Failes (01:01:58):
I could, I could see, oh my gosh, the stiff arm.
Eric (01:02:02):
He's,
Rob Failes (01:02:03):
I don't
Eric (01:02:03):
he's a, he's impossible to tackle.
He, the Penn State played him,if you go back and watch the
Penn State game, Penn Statebottled him up for the most
part.
Like, every time he got theball, there was four people, and
Penn State has athletes thatBoise State couldn't, couldn't
handle, right?
Like, These people areoutrageous athletes.
He still ran for a bunch ofyards and made like, he still
(01:02:26):
had like 12 four Smiths tacklesin the game.
Like in a game where he wasbottled up, like it was
outrageous.
Like this guy.
is outrageous.
He's
Rob Failes (01:02:36):
their contact.
Eric (01:02:37):
no, he's contact balance.
Yeah, you can't tackle him.
He's super strong.
I don't know what the deal is.
Contact balance, whateverthere's something he has.
He has it.
It's like Ebbets Smith a littlebit in that way, but he might be
a little faster than him.
I don't know.
It's he's pretty impressive.
Anybody else you were thinking?
Rob Failes (01:02:55):
be Jayden.
gonna, it's probably gonna beJayden.
Probably gonna be Jayden, whichI'll be happy with.
Eric (01:03:02):
Yeah, go, go, go with your guy.
Go with your guy.
It'll be fun to root for for thenext.
Hey, if he's your guy, you gottago with your guy.
Well, people, thanks for tuningin.
If you Thoughts for Robbie onwho he should draft.
I mean, you know, let him know,
Rob Failes (01:03:15):
send him in in the next,
Eric (01:03:16):
send him in.
He's got a few days,
Rob Failes (01:03:18):
hours.
No, I've got seven hours.
It
Eric (01:03:21):
seven hours.
Okay.
So this episode will not be outbefore then, but we'll get an
update next time.
And if you want us to do aspinoff show, let us know.
We've got plenty of degenerategolf professional friends.
That we could do a show.
Um, alright, Rob fails.
Well, thank you for, uh, forindulging me in another episode
of the Golf InterventionPodcast.
(01:03:42):
Um, appreciate your time andyour thoughts and, uh, we will
be back again next time withanother exciting episode.
No ranting next time.
It's gonna be a, it's gonna bemore fun.
Next time.
Be lighthearted.
Rob Failes (01:03:56):
Yeah.
Eric (01:03:56):
Take care everybody.
Hey,
Rob Failes (01:03:57):
Cheers.
Eric (01:03:58):
cheers.
Have a great night.
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