Review: Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2

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Are the rumours true, Evas? I'm afraid so, Professor.
The good and the bad and the boy.

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Welcome to another episode of The Good, the Bad, the Boy.
To to to today, Junior. We do that again.
Welcome to another episode of The Good, the Bad and the Boy.
I'm your host Corey, joined by my fellow Co host Trey.
So. Trey, how are you tonight?

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Very tired tired from watching the entire movie series of Harry
Potter. At least we didn't do it all at
once. You know the like 24 hour
marathon? We set out on a mission and
we've accomplished it. We have we have so welcome

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listeners to the finale of our Harry Potter film review series.
We are officially covering HarryPotter and the Deathly Hallows
Part 2. Part 2 The Deathly Halloween.
Are you ready to get into it? I am ready to talk about the

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movie that was so dark I could barely see more than half of it.
Now I know you. I know you mentioned it before.
I didn't really agree with you last time.
I would say this one more so felt darker to me.
I mean there was mainly the whatwas it the Room of Requirement

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scene? Yeah.
When I was watching that moment,funny enough.
Plus the first half of the Battle of Hogwarts.
Yes, yeah, Funny enough, that popped into my head like you
commenting how how dark some of the scenes were was the first
thing I thought when he got to the Room of Requirements.

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But before we kick off our official discussion, we'll just
go through some fun facts. So this has an 8.1 on IMDb.
It has a 96% on Rotten, Rotten Tomatoes.
Yeah, I had a brain aneurysm. You're.

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Done. Earlier and it's slowly coming
back, 96 in Rotten Tomatoes and 89% popcorn meter, which is the
audience rating. So pretty, pretty good overall.
I don't know, maybe we'll do this in a in a recap, an

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overarching recap, but I'm not sure if that's the highest rated
one. I'm sure it is.
Typically the last film gets thebiggest bump in the in the
ratings. This came out in 2011 as rated
PG13. The final.

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Well, no, not final. Well, yeah.
Directed by David Yates. He's he's been directing the the
last couple of movies. And did David Yates, did he go
on and direct Fantastic Beast. OK, so not his last film in the
Wizarding World of Harry Potter.But his last Harry Potter film?

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Yes, and the last Harry Potter film for now.
Unless they do curse child, which I kind of hope they do.
You hope they do. I hope they do because I can't
afford to go to Broadway. To school, Yeah, I don't.
Well, you haven't even read it. I know, but I've heard things.
It did have a $250 million budget, but apparently this was

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shared with Part 1, which makes sense.
So I think on our last episode when I said Part 1 had a $250
million budget, that's actually split between both films.
So film starts with a recap or Iwould just say the literally the

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the last scene of Part 1 with Voldemort.
Stroking Dumbledore's wand. Yeah, you have such a way with
words, Trey. I'm a poet.
So a, a, a little recap of the the first film.
I, I get it. And I know, I think right off

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the bat, I understand that this is kind of a nitpick.
I do wish or yeah, I wish the movie started with the following
scene. Like skip the recap of Voldemort
breaking into the tomb and all of that.
And just begin right away with that shot of Snape standing in

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the window watching over Hogwarts.
Watching the New Youth Hitler Hogwarts movement.
Yeah, they're all marching to their classes guarded by Death
Eaters. But I do I, I understand why
they did it. I just wish they skipped that

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and just went because I, I thinkthat shot of Snape in the window
kind of watching over everythingis yeah, it's just a beautiful
shot continuing, you know, some good cinematography from, I
would say more so the later films after the the recap of

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Voldemort, the opening shot showing Hogwarts kind of right
off the bat. We see dementors.
We see Snape watching over the students being led to their
classes by what we can assume tobe Death Eaters.
Very different Hogwarts than we're used to to see.

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They got to teach Defense Against the Dark Arts now.
Don't they say? Isn't it the oh, maybe they
don't. Maybe.
They may. I was trying to think because I
know they mentioned the Carrows.They.
Only be there for a year. But I don't think they they
mentioned specifically what class they like.

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Even Snape was only Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher
for a year. Yeah, because the curse is still
active. The movie itself, outside of
these opening scenes, starts kind of circle back at Shell
Cottage. So in the last film, this is
where Dobby sadly died and was buried.

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And now we're continuing the scenes to to follow with the
conversation between Grip Hook and Ollivander, kind of setting
the, I guess, follow up from from Part 1 on the decision of

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Hallows or her cruxes. And this is a pretty big
expedition dump. I mean, it was the same way in
the in the books. I.
Think this is also where we get the full rundown of in the in
the books at least in in the movie not so much, but in the
books is I think where we get the full rundown of the rules of

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lawn mower. Yeah, and that's, I guess what I
meant by like exposition. It it it's this is where all of
the the wand lore kind of comes out.
Not really mentioned previously,but it's explained in I guess

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the best detail that they they can.
And John Hurt wasted in the scene.
Why do you say that? You should have like, like in
the first Harry Potter movie, hehad like a really great
memorable scene and he was John.Like, he's John fucking hurt.
He's a great actor. Whereas in this one not as much.

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I don't disagree, but what else would he have done?
I don't know, make some stuff upfor him.
So what creative writing is for?You just maybe, like, wanted an
expanded scene. Yeah, just a little more John
Hurt. Yeah, John, a little more John.
Hurt never hurts. I set you up for that one, but

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it's a it's a good scene. I mean it gives you insight
between what Harry is trying to decide what what's more
important and enlist the help ofgrip hook who is now played by
work Davis in heavy makeup or perhaps no makeup at all.

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We we don't really know that's. What work?
Davis really looks like it. Could it could be.
Or he could he could really be an Ewok.
We, we just, we don't know. Yeah, they shaved him for this
film. Yeah, it's a hairless, hairless
Ewok. I forget he's been, he's been
around so long. But I like in Star Wars he was

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like, I think he was like 8 years old or something like
that. So it's it's just crazy to think
like how long his filmography has has been around because he
was so young. And then Willow, which I'm not a
huge fan of. I, Willow, took time to to grow
on me. Yeah, I tried watching the show
and I, like, almost immediately lost interest.

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Oh see, I never got a chance to watch the show because I was
just waiting for it to all be out and then by the time I
thought about it again it had been taken off of Disney.
Taken off. They took it off of Disney.
Yeah, you can't even watch it. Can't even watch it anymore.
I don't. You'll have to ask.
I don't know who's Bob Eisner orwhoever's the head of Disney

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these days, but back to Harry Potter.
They enlist the help of Grip Hook to sneak into Gringotts to
steal a Horcrux from Bellatrix Lestrange's vault.
This is the cup goblet of Helga Hufflepuff.

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It comes from a scene that was cut I believe in half blood
prints, but at at this point youknow it, it doesn't really
matter. Yeah, do they even mention that?
It's how the Hufflepuff's Cup. I I think so because they, when
they get to Hogwarts, they talk specifically how they're looking
for something from Ravenclaw. So.

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But he had a vision of Ravenclaw, and that's why you
said that. But in the in the book it's set
up. Yeah, in the book they talk
about it. With the the visions from half
blood prints, which a lot of those were cut from the film.
So, you know, we we kind of get right into it in in this in Part

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2, it it's pretty much pure action from from this point
moving forward. We have a nice little, albeit
brief heist scene that that you love so much of of them breaking
into Gringotts. I do think it's funny that

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Hermione goes all in as Bellistrix Lestrange via Polly
juice potion, but Harry is in the invisibility cloak.
But then they just give Ron a like a fake mustache.
It's it's just a strange becauseI think in the book he's

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actually disguised. But it was, it was strange in
the movie that they just kind ofgave him like long hair and a
goatee. Yeah, I think.
But hey, it works, you know theybreak into Gringotts.
Well, they ask for well the thing I don't understand is they
ask for Bellatrix to present herwand as proof that it's her and

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they didn't, but they had her wand.
Well, she kind of makes a big scene of I, but I think
potentially because the wand I'mtrying to remember from the
books because I think in the books it's reported stolen.

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So like they know Bellatrix's wand is missing.
So if someone does show up with her wand.
But that would have made sense. It's been a while since I read
the book so I I could just be pulling that out of my ass.
I'm not 100. Percent.
I mean, that sounds right. Yeah, but they, you know, things

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go horribly, horribly wrong. They get into the vault, Grip
Hook portrays them. Almost immediately.
Immediately, he confidently states that he agreed to help
them into the vault, but did notagree to get them out and grabs

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the Sword of Gryffindor and books it.
At this point, just like the books, all of the treasure in
the in the vault in Bellatrix's vault starts multiplying.
Which I feel like that's a huge.Like I feel like having all the
treasure multiply would be a good thing for the person with

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the vault. Like I was like, I wouldn't want
this wealth to multiply magically.
Well I think the point is the you getting locked in there and
then being crushed. Crushed by, but still.
By magic treasure I I would assume the treasure doesn't
actually multiply, that it is just magic.

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And if I from the. Maybe it all disappears at a
point. I I would probably guarantee
that and I think in the book I think it also burned you as
well, like the the treasure heats up or is hot for some
reason. I remember that in the book
again, I I could be wrong and has been quite some time, but

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they they escape. You know, we we can't have more
movie if if they all die in thatvault.
So they do escape. I did notice in this part and I
felt a little bad because at this point Gringotts bank is not

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all death eaters. Like these are actual like
security guards under the assumption that someone is just
breaking into Gringotts and and stealing stuff and rightfully
try to to stop those people. And so many of these people die.
Like there's a a scene of one ofthe minecarts getting like

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knocked off the track and like 6people falling to their death.
And I just can't help but to think like the security guard
who's probably making close to minimum wage in the wizarding
world, whatever that may be. A galleon a week or a sickle a
day. Yeah.
Just, you know, leaving behind. To his death.

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His his wife and kids trying to stop Harry Potter breaking into
to Gringotts a lot of casualtiesduring this this whole segment
including. Them just for the greater good.
Damn. It it is.
Hey, we got to stop a local darkwizard who can't even take over

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high school. Taking over high school.
Yeah, but they they do get out with the help of a imprisoned
dragon. Which I've always felt that this
was a missed opportunity for that dragon to be Norbert.
Oh well, that would be. Just as a throwback.

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But we know Norbert. I mean, that would be a sad.
It would because this dragon hasbeen locked away for.
I mean, we don't really know. It's a sad ass story so I'm just
saying it would be an it would have been a nice throwback if
the dragon were Norbert. I mean, how would you tell?
Like would there be a way they? 'D be like, oh look, he has the

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same markings as Norbert. I don't I'm going to have to
disagree with you on on that one.
I think that would be a horribleidea it.
Would be a nice throwback, yeah,to see what happens to Norbert.
But we know he was brought to Romania and was not imprisoned
within Gringotts for. That have been recaptured, OK,

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just saying. Maybe you can submit that idea
for the the new series, Dear HBO.
Yeah. Escaping Gringotts, they jump
off the dragon in a lake. Shortly after Harry Potter has

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one of his his little fits, his little visions, and he realizes
that another Horcrux is potentially hidden within
Hogwarts. The trio go off the hogs maid

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and immediately set off alarms. I don't remember completely this
part in the book as to because they know right away that it's
Harry Potter. I know we can just.
But they never actually see them.
No, they don't see them, but youdo hear them calling out Harry
Potter after the alarms go off. So, you know, I assume we just

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chalk it off to to magic, magic just write it off with that M
word. So it is what it is, you know,
magic. But they get the help of
Aberforth Dumbledore, which we find out is the person that
we've been seeing in the unexplained mirror that we know

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nothing about because. And played by Let Me Pull It Up,
a really good actor. While you're pulling it up, I
will comment because when they first meet him, they talk about
how much he looks like Dumbledore.
And at first I didn't see it, but there's, yeah, there's some

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shots that he really does look like Michael Gambon and I, he's.
Played by and I'm going to butcher the pronunciation of his
name. Kirian Hines.
Never heard of him, Couldn't tell you.
You've seen him in other stuff, I assure you.
OK, I'm Googling him now. He.

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He's an actor you've seen beforeand other stuff.
OK, I mean, I, they, I they haveto have used prosthetics on him.
Oh, I'm sure to make him look more like Michael Gambon.
Because when I was, because whenbecause like I've always known
who played Aberforth, because I recognize the actor and then

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when I was watching, I was like,that looks nothing like him.
Was I wrong and I had to go and double check?
Yeah, I mean, I looking at his his photos now they would have
I'm almost positive they had some some make up on him to make
him most likely because he really he really did.

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Gambone and him look nothing alike.
Correct. No, I do recognize them.
I'm looking at some of his his past roles, but I thought he he
did fantastic. I mean, the first time we see
Aberforth I think is in Prisonerof Azkaban.
But it's just a throwaway joke shot because in the books they

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talk about how he was. I don't even think we saw him
then. I think the first time we see
him is order the Phoenix when they have the meeting.
Oh, is that Order of the Phoenix?
Maybe I'm getting it too confused.
But yeah, it's, it's not the same actor, no.
Absolutely. Not because at that time, at

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least in the books, we didn't know Aberforth was Dumbledore's
brother or. They like or they like to.
Perform questionable spells on goats because that's the the
joke that we we get for quite a bit.
Did I ever tell you that joke? No.
So these two friends are talkingand one of them says you know if

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you ever build one house they don't automatically call you a
house builder and if you just build 1 boat they don't call you
a boat builder. But you fuck one goat.
One of my favorite. Jokes, that's pretty good yeah.
And then fitting for Aberforth, I mean, not so much now that

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he's an actual character and a serious character at that.
I mean, it's it's. We get a bit more grumpy.
A nice little conversation between them and I think one of
the the lines that I like the most, and it's probably not an
exact quote, I should have actually written it down, but it
was talking about how Dumbledoresacrificed a lot on his quest

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for power just in reference to, you know, the loss of his sister
and and stuff like that. It's a good little moment.
I wish, you know, I, I think what this movie does well or
what the parts that I like most about these movies are like, or
these moments, the discussion with Aberforth, the discussion

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with Dumbledore later towards the end, just those like big
character moments. And it was nice.
So this is where we find out about or yeah, find out about
Aberforth. He's here to help Harry Potter.

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He's on the good guys side and now has direct access to
Hogwarts via a new tunnel, new tunnel via the Room of
Requirements that leads directlyto Aberforth and connects to to
Hogwarts. This is which I do appreciate

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they included, you know, that it's not on the Marauders map.
Yeah, nice little detailed. This is also a moment in the
book where I got so excited and then so disappointed.
Oh, why? Because.
Because in the book, whenever Neville's coming through the
tunnel, they don't say it's Neville.

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They like, describe him as like,oh, a shadowy figure coming
through the tunnel. And I swear to God, I got so
excited that it was going to be serious.
Oh, really? Yeah.
I mean that would be would have been.
Like I said, I was. For the longest time, I was
holding out hope that Sirius wasalive.
I think everyone was. I think it it really isn't until

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the Resurrection Stone scene. And that and that moment I
cried. Yeah, well, we'll so much.
We'll get there. But yeah, this is this is
Harry's way back in the Hogwarts.
He's led by Neville Blown. Up.

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Who's what blown up. Oh yeah, this is I think like
regular or I don't. I hate this like normal.
Matthew Lewis. I'm almost positive in I don't
know if it's half blood Prince or one of the movies.
It it really looks like they made him wear a like a fake

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stomach to to make him look a little bigger.
So I think this is the first time we get to see like Matthew
Lewis, more Matthew Lewis than Neville, you know, they they
make him less goofy looking. Did he hit him like a truck?
Yes, it did actually. And this is, I can't remember,

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it was before Deathly Hallows, but we went to, I don't think
this was the year you went with us, but for Dragon Con, he
actually made an appearance at one of the the Harry Potter
events and he was like, he had lost all that weight and and

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stuff like that was completely unrecognizable.
Yeah, I remember you telling me about.
This Yeah, I think I have like avery horribly blurry photo of
him from the distance, but it itwas kind of interesting to see.
And then when he appeared in thelater movies, he, you know, the
the connection was made. But yeah, we see Neville

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Longbottom. He is pretty beaten up, black
eyes, bloody cut scratches, things like that.
Definitely not being treated well.
All of this is a little more expanded upon in the books, but
I think he does mention that Sheamus is worse off and

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mentions the the Carrows, which are the main ones who are
abusing the the students. So he's LED back to Hogwarts
into the room of requirements where he's met by pretty much
everyone. I wasn't quite sure because I
know they use it as like a hideaway, but they're they're

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not hiding within Hogwarts. So I think it's just like a.
Clubhouse. Yeah, Clubhouse, they still, you
know, attend Hogwarts and and things like that as we'll see in
the next scene. But yeah, funny little moment I
think with Ron and Jenny. Yeah, when, you know, they

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awkwardly see each other. But Ron makes the comment you
know that it's been 6 months andI think he says like calls
himself like Frankie first year and that.
He's focused on Harry, yeah. Cute little moment.
I like those. Yeah, Jenny is DTF at at this

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point. At this moment, the news I guess
spreads that Harry Potter was spotted or they knew Harry
Potter was in Hogsmeade. So now Hogwarts is on high
alert. Snape as Headmaster or calls all
of the students into the Great Hall and pretty much threatens

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everyone you know. Anyone who knows about Harry
Potter needs to speak up now or forever hold your peace.
And immediately Harry Potter steps out and calls him out.
He's like, Sup Snivelis, yeah. Pretty much wants Snape to tell

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everyone what he did on the night that he killed Dumbledore.
Snape attempts to fight Harry Potter, but Professor Mcgonigal
immediately steps in front of Harry Potter and duels.
She is awesome scene. I think, and this is shared a
lot, but if you look closely, when Snape deflects the spells

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in the duel, he purposely directs the spells to the other
two Death Eaters to knock them out before flying away.
I think it's, you know, he's thebravest man we've ever known.
Trey, whatever. But naturally.
Once again, great job doing the bare minimum.

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But he gets away. He breaks out of the window in
the book they I always like thismoment because it's it's
explained that he live. He leaves like a a bat shaped.
Is that a Snape shaped? Hole.
Oh, I always thought it was bad.Maybe we'd have to look it up
and see. He escapes through the windows

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of the Great Hall, and ProfessorMcgonigal immediately lights all
of the torches within Hogwarts, and everything's bright and
cheerful again. Everyone's celebrating.
Sorry. For once, the movie is.
Bright. Yeah, this is our brief glimpse
into actual lighting in this in this film up until the Room of

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Requirements burns down. But it is cut pretty short
because Voldemort is broadcasting a mental message to
all of the students demanding that Harry Potter surrender and
someone turn him in. This.

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I didn't like this in the books.I don't like it in the films.
But this is the part where all of the the Slytherins or brought
to the dungeons, you know, because there's no, there's no
good Slytherins. They're all bad guys.
I mean, I I know they are. It walks like a if it looks like

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a duck and it walks like a duck.But that's what I don't I don't
like that in the books either that it it's I don't know it it
for a book series that goes against the whole things aren't
black and white and and stuff like that.
They really do make slithering black or.
White like I actually had this conversation with someone the

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other day. Yeah, it just, even from the
book standpoint, I think it's just bad writing, making
Slytherins just all bad. I, I think it would have been
more interesting if some of the the Slytherins did participate
and and stand up. I can agree with that.
So with that though. We Nancy Parkinson was a bitch

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though. Yes.
With that though, we are now in search of the, oh what diadem
Diadem, which is horcrux #6. 5. Yeah, 5 because at this point

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the cup, technically they we have the cup, they have the cup,
but it's not yet destroyed. Harry, just a recap.
Just a recap. Let's go through the list.
So. Diary, Diary Ring, ring.
It's 2. Lock it.
Yep, 3 lock it. They destroyed then.

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They have the Cup Cup which is 4.
Then the die down. Is 5.
Then the Guinea. Yeah, is 6 and then Harry, and
then Harry would be 7. This is kind of the moment all
hell breaks loose. And then prepare for battle.
And they prepare. It's a good day to die.

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They prepare for a pretty serious battle, Mcgonigal.
How serious is dead? I'm going to try to get through
this, trying my best. Mcgonigal starts using spells to
animate or or have Hogwarts fight back in the form of the

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the suits of armor and and things like that becoming.
How useless were they? Yeah.
Yeah, like they literally just stand there and a troll just
blasts through them. We're like, they're doing their
best, OK? Well, it's not good enough.
They're doing their best. Like they have this awesome

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entrance. Yeah, it's a pretty cool moment.
And then it doesn't really pay off.
No, I'm I'm with you on that. I can't remember in the books.
I'm sure more happens, but this is all we get in the film.
This part too, you know, I I getit that it has to be done.

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Don't like it though. So this is where Ron and
Hermione go back to the Chamber of Secrets to destroy the cup of
Helga Hufflepuff. Now, again, I get it.
I I don't think it's a bad storybeat.
I do think it's bad that Ron remembers how to speak parcel

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tongue from years ago in order to open the Chamber of Secrets
from Harry. Talking in his sleep.
From Harry talking in his sleep to get the the basilisk thing
and destroying the the cup. You know, it would have been a

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an even better thing that the chamber was just left open under
the bathroom. Or God.
They just never closed it. Oh, I mean from a safety
standpoint, that's not probably not the best, but or the passage
was open during the battle or orsomething like that.

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I. Or like, 'cause like the there
was a rock, like a rock fall, itcould have left the the actual
gate opened. Oh yeah, they still needed
parcel tongue to get the sinks to.
Yeah, I don't know. It's it's just one of those
moments that we're. Just there are a lot of better
ways. That it could have happened.
It was just a little city. Silly that yeah, Ron would

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remember that. However, they go down to the
Chamber of Secrets and destroy the Horcrux, have a nice little
moment. They smooch a little bit, get La
La. La La.
LA get soaking wet and she did and and go back and and join the

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the the battle. They do pull out the Marauder's
Map to try to locate Harry Potter realize that he's going
into the Room of Requirements. However, Ron and Hermione don't
know this, but he was followed by Draco Malfoy.

(36:31):
Is it? No Goyle and some other
students, some other. And in the books he does have a
name. I think in the books it's Crab
and Goyle. Yes, but they're the his
character. So crab between films was busted
smoking weed or or something like that.

(36:54):
Yeah, it it, it, it's really stupid and and maybe he did
more, but I remember when the story broke that he wouldn't be
in the next film because he got busted smoking weed or selling
weed or something with weed. That's.
Really. Funny and was essentially
dropped from the film. I don't know if that was a

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personal choice or I don't, I'm not familiar with UK laws.
But that's why he's not in the movie.
That's why it's. Legalize it.
That's, I mean, I completely agree legalize it, but that's
why Goyle and then I think it his name's like, I want to say
like Sabini or something like that, but it is a character in

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the book. But yes, he does replace Crab
because of the actor's personal decisions, whether we agree with
them or not. Pretty pretty neat scene
overall. I mean pretty much identical
from the book. I want to say like Bravo Goyle,

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because like he didn't just set it on fire.
There was a whole fire dragon that part to it, like go Goyle.
But that's the whole point. It's too powerful of a spell and
he loses control of it and but. Still, the fact that he was able
to, that's true to do it at all.To do it at all, Yeah, it is.

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It is pretty neat. However, I do have another
nitpick and I've I've mentioned this before I believe, but the
size of the Room of Requirementsis just so vastly huge.
And. Yeah, but I I get it.
It's its own little dimension, it.
It. Really is.

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It's Time Lord technology, I figure on the inside.
Yeah. And I, I think you, I mean, you
see it as Harry's like walking through and, and stuff like
that. But it's really like once they
get on the brooms and they're flying, flying around and you
see like these giant piles of junk, it's like, holy crap, like
this. It's yeah, almost as big as

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probably bigger than the Great Hall and, and stuff like that.
It's huge, but. We want to say whenever Harry is
like, we have to go back for Draco and the others.
I was like, fuck no, maybe I'm aterrible person, but I'd have
let them. Burn, I don't know, I yeah, I

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mean, that is a tough call, but I think it it from a character
standpoint it does make sense, Imean.
I'm not saying it does, I'm justsaying.
But I I don't, I don't disagree.And then, yeah, one of them
dies. Goyle.

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Goyle, right? Am I getting?
A. That was the other one.
No, no, Draco and the other one is saved and I think Goyle is
the one who who dies. Well, he started it.
Falls, yeah, falls in the fire and and burns, but they do

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destroy the D&M and. Another Horcrux is put and at
this point the only Horcruxes left are Harry Potter and the
Guinea. Beginning and it's at this point
that Voldemort finally realizes they're going after Horcruxes,

(40:24):
and that most of them have been destroyed.
Yes, he's definitely plays it a little more safely.
Yeah. But yeah, Voldemort realizes the
horror. Crocs are being destroyed.
We have a scene of Voldemort again communicating to everyone

(40:45):
to, I guess, give them a little break.
Like, hey, guys, you know, let'schill out a bit.
Yeah, let's. There's a lot going on here.
Killed a bunch of you. So, you know, bring out your
dead, bring out your dead. I'm not dead yet.
I feel better. But essentially like, yeah,

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like, let's pause for a moment. Let me recoup.
Let me Harry's fucking shit up and I need to get my act
together and and kind of rethinkmy plan.
Essentially communicating all ofthis telepathically because of
magic. This is.

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Let's see where we. At Old Mart and the Guinea, go
to the boathouse and call for snake.
Yeah, the boathouse call for Snape.
This is where Voldemort realizesthat he is not the rightful
owner or master of the Elder Wand, that there's a a small

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hiccup. And as much as Snape struggles
to make his point that no, Voldemort, you are the master of
the Elder Wand, not me, he's notsuccessful.
And Voldemort cuts his throat and.
Doesn't even use magic. Like how disrespectful is that?

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Well, he does. He uses his wand to to slice his
throat. Yeah, but isn't he like he
didn't like use a vodka top right, just like his?
Throat and I thought this too isyeah, he he slices his throat
and then has New Guinea finish them off to finish them off,
which she doesn't do She she leaves them alive and not for

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long. Not for long, but conveniently,
Harry Potter, Ron and Hermione are nearby and come to I don't
want to say Snape's rescue because he is aid.
And this is where we get the probably most famous scene, I

(42:58):
would say in Harry Potter fandom.
This is the the always scene of the the bravest man we've ever
met. So this is this.
Is my tears, Harry? This is where Harry Potter gets
the tears of Severus Snape, makes his way back up to

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Dumbledore's office, uses the pensive to see Snape's memories.
And this is where we learn that there the whole reason Snape did
this was because of his everlasting session, internal
love session, his love of walkering, his love, his love of

(43:48):
Lily, Lily Evans from the the bravest man we've ever met.
True love in its truest form. I might actually make myself
thorough. Despite what you think, despite
your personal opinions, I do think it is a like, I like the

(44:12):
way it's shot. I like that we get more back
story into what happened that night.
The conversations, yeah, the conversations between Snape and
Dumbledore. I like all of those moments, but
you know, at the the end of the day, listeners go back and

(44:33):
listen to our episode on Snape led by Trey and he shared his
overall opinions on how he felt about Snape as a character.
If you want full back story, butwe find out you know all of this

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is because of Snape's feelings towards Lily Evans and we get
the infamous always moment. And in addition to to this, this
is through Snape and Dumbledore's conversations.
This is where we get official confirmation that Harry Potter
is indeed a Horcrux and that he has to sacrifice himself, but

(45:24):
vulnerable. Sacrifice himself.
Jesus, that caught me off guard.Scared me a little bit, to be
honest. No, Harry, no, you can't.
Not mine, not mining you. That was such a an insulting

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Rupert Grint impression. Oh my God.
So Harry's a horror crux and he has to be killed by Voldemort
directly her. Mind knew this the whole time.
She had suspicions. So Harry makes his way to the

(46:08):
Forbidden Forest where he can orsorry, makes his way to the
Forbidden Forest. And then this is where we have
the Resurrection Stone. Harry figures out the snitch,
which is. Out with the snitch and it drops
the resurrection stuff he just. Puts it in his mouth for a
little bit. You know, he got a little taste.

(46:34):
Stop with that noise. The visual image of.
Yeah. And this is where he uncovers
the Resurrection Stone from the Snitch.
And which they never in the movie because I'm like 90 cent
per 90% certain that the Resurrection Stone was the ring.

(46:55):
Yes, it's the stone that's set in the ring that Dumbledore.
Yeah, they say that in the book.They don't say that in the
movie. No, I think.
Lost right over. You're supposed to recognize it.
But again, I mean, look, we're, we're so far past of you can't
be a fan of just the movies. Like there has to be some, some

(47:20):
knowledge of the books to to or at least I think, you know, I, I
don't have that experience of just watching the films and and
not reading the books. But this is where Harry Summit
summons the spirits of his parents, James and Lily Potter,

(47:41):
as well as Sirius and Lupin for.We missed the really important
part. Actually.
No, it hasn't happened yet. Never mind.
OK, OK, again a nice little moment.
He has a brief conversation withhis his parents, with Sirius and

(48:01):
and. Jerry Oldman comes back as
Sirius, which is great. Yeah, it's, it's a nice, a nice
moment, a sad moment. You know, when you, you
mentioned when you read it in the book, you know, crying and
and stuff like that. And yeah, that was definitely.
Yeah, I had to put the book aside and just saw it for like
an hour. Yeah, it was definitely one of
those moments and I think an important moment overall because

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it is the the moment that Harry accepts death, that he, you
know, is, is ready to move forward, still wants that
comfort. It's the moment that he's the
master of death because he's themaster of the elder 1.
He has which he didn't have it in the movie, but he has the
cloak in the book. Well, they use it for Gringotts,

(48:47):
so he. Doesn't use it here in the
books, I'm pretty sure. Use it here.
And then he had the ResurrectionStone, so he was the master of
death. Yeah, at this point, at this
point. So he makes his way through the
Forbidden Forest and confronts Voldemort and is immediately
killed. And then Voldemort himself

(49:10):
passes out. And this is where we have, I
think my favorite scene from, I would say all of the films.
Like I absolutely love this moment.
I, I enjoyed the book version and, and it's not too different
from from the book, but I, I just love this moment and it,

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and it probably also has, I would say outside of always
probably one of the next most popular quotes of just because
it's in your head doesn't mean it's not real, which I don't
think that's the exact quote, but that's, you know, Dumbledore

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kind of ends on that little tidbit.
But yeah, it's, it's, you don't really know, you know, it, it
could be all taking place in Harry's head.
It could be a form of purgatory.It's kind of left up to
interpretation. Interpretation which which I

(50:18):
like. I mean, I choose to believe that
it is, it is real. You know, it is Harry speaking
to to Dumbledore in this moment through this, I don't know
magical slash spiritual connection, you know, but at the
same time there is a lot that leans towards it is just within

(50:43):
Harry's head mainly with this area Mana, the manifestation of
this purgatory into King's Crossstation, which.
Well, if you think about it, because he's the master of Death
and he summoned his parents and Lupin and and serious, why
wouldn't he have summoned Dumbledore?

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Oh, that's a good way to think of it.
Yeah, I didn't even, Oh my God, I didn't even think of it that
way. But you're, you're right.
And that that could be that's that's another good point.
But fantastic scene. They they, you know, it.
It's the last moment that kind of Harry never had with

(51:24):
Dumbledore previously. And is, is kind of getting the
the rundown of what to do next. And you know what got me?
You know, you talk about scenes that you kind of tear up with
was like Dumbledore calling Harry brave and you know it.
Yeah. I just really like this moment

(51:45):
in in the books and in the film,we get to see this weird lost
version of Voldemort's soul in the form of I think it's.
What do you look like? In in Gobblet of Fire, yeah, if
not pretty similar, but it's like this weird kind of baby

(52:06):
monster version of of Voldemort curled up under a bench, all
bloodied and and. He's like young Benjamin Button.
Yes, yes, and is stuck there like forever, which I think it
it's like it's even worse because even though Voldemort

(52:30):
does die, he's still unable to to pass on because of how
horribly his soul was was split.So when you, you know, I guess a
fate worse than than death beingstuck in this, this weird limbo
because her soul can't can't move on.

(52:50):
You know, Harry has the option of dying and moving on, I guess,
to the the afterlife and he. Have been like deuces.
I mean, technically and and this, you know, people have have
talked about this too, that, youknow, essentially at this
moment, if Harry were to move on, sacrificing himself in this

(53:14):
manner would have provided the same protection that he had from
his mother. He would have given it to
everyone he was protecting. And even though he died, as long
as they still killed New Guinea,that Voldemort can still be
defeated because the the main part was Voldemort killing Harry

(53:36):
directly. What Harry chose to do after
this could have worked both ways, but he did decide to to
return. And yeah, but this is the the
moment that Narcissa Malfoy goesup to inspect Harry Potter's

(53:57):
corpse confirms that he is dead,at least.
Well yeah, he realizes he's alive 1st and then asks if
Malfoy's alive and Harry subtly says yes.
Which is a good little connection, you know it.
It kind of brings that full circle with the whole, you know,

(54:20):
she's doing what she can to protect Draco, even if that
means, you know, portraying Voldemort and and all of that.
I mean, I think in the movie it's played more of like
Narcissa is along for the ride because of Lucius Malfoy.

(54:43):
Yeah, that's kind of the feelingI always got.
And I, I can't remember if it's quite like that in the the
books, but at least in the film,she's, she's not like, like
she's not a Death Eater. It's more of Lucius as a Death
Eater. So in turn, yeah, Harry is

(55:03):
scooped up by Hagrid and they all, I guess, trek their way
back to to Hogwarts, parading Harry in Hagrid's arms, assuming
that Harry Potter is dead at this point.
And Voldemort gives a really weird speech.

(55:25):
Yeah, so rehears it very awkward.
It is a strange little moment because, I mean, you have, you
have the Voldemort side of it where he gives like he's trying
to be friends with everyone, youknow.
Yeah, you have to put your faithin me now.
Yeah, come to to my side, Draco.Draco is convinced by his mother

(55:51):
to to walk over Voldemort, giveshim a very awkward hug, and then
Neville steps up and gives a little speech.
I think it's a little too on thenose.
It's a little too cheesy. I'll take it.
Yeah, but this is the moment that he draws the Sword of

(56:17):
Gryffindor out of the the Sorting Hat and Harry Potter
pops up and reveals. And death theaters leave in
droves. Which rightfully so, I I.
See this kid survive a vodka Dahmer twice.
Exactly. And they're just like, Nope, I'm

(56:39):
out. I mean, I I would be 100% if I
was in that situation and I was a Death Eater, I would have
doped. It's fucking we're out.
Yeah, and this part I the whole Harry Potter let's in this the
way it started together. And then they grab each other

(57:01):
and jump off the side of Hogwarts and fly around.
This is to me very reminiscent of the dragon scene and Goblet
of fire with like expanding the scene and flying around Hogwart
like one. If this definitely doesn't
happen in the book, no, this is added.

(57:22):
Operating is not flying. Correct.
And this is added purely for thefilm and it's just a very
physical moment and I, I don't like it.
A lot of people don't like it. I thought it was fun.
It is what it is. It's not the worst thing that's
added and and we'll get there towards the end, but.

(57:43):
Oh yeah, but but in Neville's speech, this is the first time
that they ever refer to Tonks asTonks.
In Neville. 'S speech.
Neville's speech. Oh.
Mentioned this and Tonks. OK, I still want to pull up the,
search the scripts online and see if I can do like a.
I'm like 95% sure they never call our tongs until that.

(58:07):
I mean you, you could be right, but I mean at this point we all
know if you haven't read the books just you fuck right off
watching these these movies. Harry and Voldemort are
physically fighting each other and flying around Hogwarts.
Neville, Ron and Hermione are attempting to to kill New

(58:27):
Guinea. Eventually Neville does and the
last Horcrux is destroyed and Voldemort can can now be killed.
So in between all of this happening we also have the
another infamous scene of Molly Weasley fighting Bellatrix

(58:52):
Lestrange, which and I apologize, we did skip a big
maybe this was the scene you were talking about when they
Voldemort calls a time out. This is when we find out that
one of the Weasley twin twins died.
We find out. The big moment I was talking
about was name here Tonks. Oh OK we find out Tonks and

(59:18):
Lupin died and all of this. So this is the this accumulates
to the scene of Molly Weasley. I think so.
I know we just talked about thislast episode but I've I'm pretty
sure George was the one with theear and Fred is the one who died

(59:39):
but Molly is fighting Bellatrix and kills her which yay
Bellatrix's did. I think she may say the first
swear of Harry Potter. Yes, not my daughter, you bitch.
Which word from word in the book?
Fantastic moments. I can't remember what spell she

(01:00:02):
uses in the books but in the movie she like it's almost like
she freezes and like dehydrates a little bit because she gets
like real like. Her skin sucks in and stuff like
that and then she casts another spell and.
Shatters. Shatters into to a bunch of
pieces and then Harry and Voldemort crash land into the

(01:00:28):
courtyard and have their final battle.
And do Corey's biggest pet peeve.
But it I will say it makes sensein them doing it in this moment.
I'm fine with it. It's it's all the in between
stuff that it just it never quite made sense to me,

(01:00:51):
especially when it and their. Wands link up.
Yeah, but but yeah, they had, they have their final battle.
I don't think they say it in themovies, but in the books
Voldemort cast Avada Cadavera and Harry cast Expelliarmus and

(01:01:11):
the spells counteract the each other, their wands gently touch
each other, and ultimately because Harry Potter is the
master of death and Voldemort does not have control over the
elder wand, Voldemort is ultimately defeated.

(01:01:35):
And this is probably one of my most hated moments because it
does kind of ruin the death of Voldemort because in the books
Voldemort just dies and is a lifeless corpse just like as if

(01:01:55):
anyone else. Were let him turn to ash kind of
work. I didn't like it.
I like because the whole point is in the book is he dies just
like anyone else would die. And to have him in the movie
turn to ash and and float away. And I, you know.

(01:02:19):
Well I feel like it made sense because at the time when he was
using the wand it was backfiringon him and like burning him so
him turning to ash kind of makessense.
I get what you're saying, I just.
I don't what you're saying. I don't agree with it.
I like the book version more Thebook also takes place in the
Great Hall under the you know, magical sky within the Great

(01:02:45):
Hall. And I don't know, I I felt like
because that's such AI mean it'sat least on the US versions was
the cover of the book for Deathly Hallows was this final
battle the fact that they changed it so much in in the
movies? I just I never liked it.

(01:03:05):
But regardless, Mortimer is defeated.
Harry, Ron and Hermione are discussing the the elder one.
This is where we get the kind ofrecap of Snape was never the
master, Voldemort was never the master, it was actually Draco.
And when Harry defeated Draco inMalfoy Manor, Harry then became

(01:03:30):
the master of the Elder Wand. Another kind of odd part in the
movie versus book. In the book, this is where Harry
actually repairs his own wand, which makes sense.
What's something I wish they hadkept?
Yeah, I do too. It it would have been a nice

(01:03:50):
little moment before throwing away the the Elder Wand.
In the movie he just snaps it intwo and chucks it into a ravine
or off a Cliff. And do you remember the the
movie The Mask? Yeah, with Jim Carrey.
Jim Carrey, Yes. Do you remember at the end when

(01:04:13):
he throws the mask into the water, then Richard Jennings
like, climbs out of the car and goes diving in after it?
Yes, yeah. When I was watching the scene
all I could picture was Ron doing the same exact thing.
Yeah, 'cause like. Jumping off the bridge into the
water for the wand. Could be the the alternate
ending for Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows.

(01:04:36):
But yeah, fade to fade to black and then we get. 20 years later
something. Yeah, 19 years later, which
follows the epilogue. I would say really not much to
to add here. It's just, you know, a brief
scene of all of the the Golden Trio bringing their kids to the

(01:04:59):
Hogwarts Express. This is.
Named after 2 Hog, a Hogwarts head Masters, and one of them
was the bravest man I ever knew.Yes, it exactly played out like
that. Yeah, it was.
I mean, I remember when the books came out, people didn't
like the epilogue. I was pretty indifferent until.

(01:05:22):
At the time I was, I was like, OK, whatever.
Yeah, but I think the more I reread the books, the more I was
like, wait a second, Like, you don't you don't name anyone
after your own father or after Sirius?
This or. He did name one of them up just.
Oh, maybe he did. No, no, no, no, I don't think.

(01:05:47):
I swear he did. I'm going to have to.
Look at either first name or a middle.
Name. You could be right.
Hold on, let me so I don't look like a complete ass.
Let's see Harry Potter's children.
Oh, OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So the older kid who they briefly show is James Sirius

(01:06:11):
Potter. You have Lily Luna Potter and
Albus Severus Potter, which is the the youngest.
Yeah, but not George Rubius Potter.
George Rubius Potter. I mean, Ron could name his his

(01:06:34):
own kids. Yeah, but it's also it's also
Jenny's child as well. But we don't care about Jenny.
She's she's a woman. We don't.
Jenny's a fox. I just.
I'm just. Saying if I had a chance to take
Bonnie right to dinner, I'm going to do it.
Yeah, yeah, I'm just saying her character was completely

(01:07:00):
nullified in the films compared to the the books.
In the book, she's much more interesting than what they did
with her character in in the movies.
But yeah, we get the the infamous Albus Severus Potter
and everyone lives happily ever after.
The. And I know they did.

(01:07:21):
Straight into Curt Stroud they did.
Have to reshoot this because originally which re watching it
now, I think Daniel Radcliffe looks fine aged up.
I think Hermione looks fine agedup.
But Rupert? Grant looks rough.
Rupert Grint and Bonnie Wright do not look good at all those

(01:07:46):
Weasley. Jeans.
It I mean, they made, they essentially just made Ron fat.
Fat. And then Bonnie Wright I, I was
trying to figure out what was wrong and I I'm almost positive
if they just changed the hairstyle.
It's turning into Molly, yeah. Oh wait, yeah that's a good way

(01:08:07):
to look at it. It doesn't look great, but
apparently they had to to reshoot this because it was even
worse. However they did it originally,
I don't think there's any official photos to to see the
original makeup. Oh, and Draco Malfoy, too.

(01:08:29):
That was cut out. No, he's in the he's in the
epilogue. They have a little scene.
Yeah. Where?
Maybe I just forgot or I wasn't paying attention at this point.
But he doesn't look great either.
They they didn't do a very good job with that.
But it's, it's hard. I mean, when you're, you're

(01:08:49):
trying to age up people who are in their what, mid 20s?
Yeah, mid to early 20s, aging them close to 20 years is, is
tough. But yeah.
And, and that's it. That's Harry Potter and the
Deathly Hallows, Part 2, the end.

(01:09:10):
Everyone lived happily ever after as far as we know, I guess
until the events of the Cursed Child, which I have not read.
But either I'll read it because I do.
I do want to talk about it at some point.
I still I there has to be a recording of it somewhere.
I mean I would imagine I could look it up on YouTube.

(01:09:33):
I look like I looked it up and II could I could find like clips
but not like a full recording ofit.
Oh, OK. And it's like everything is
recorded in bootleg now. I can't believe there's not a
recording of the Cursed Child somewhere out there.
I mean, when you have that WB Harry Potter money, they
probably scrub the Internet for any potential copies of of that.

(01:09:59):
So yeah, I don't know. I haven't tried looking myself,
but we'll talk about it at some point.
But until then, Trey, what did you think of Harry Potter and
the Deathly Hallows Part 2? I liked it more than I liked the
first one. OK.
I like the action, I like the pacing of it, but not much more

(01:10:26):
than the first one. So all together I would give
this one A7. I would give this one A7 or as I
don't want to give a 7 to the last one.
Like it wasn't bad. And you're right, it is a lot of
action, which is hard to critique 'cause I mean, I

(01:10:50):
enjoyed all the action scenes. Yeah, I, well, I think it's hard
as a whole when you're you're splitting one story into two.
And it's, yeah, technically it'stwo separate movies, but it's
it's one story. It does make it difficult.
I mean, bravo to Ray Fiennes in this movie.

(01:11:11):
I thought he did fantastic as Voldemort.
Yeah, 'cause this is, I mean, this is the most Voldemort we
get, Yeah. I mean, everyone in this movie I
thought really nailed it, even for those small roles, that even
if for those who had smaller roles, I love the magic being

(01:11:31):
used in the battle. You know, that's something that
I was really thankful for from the Order of the Phoenix on is
how they kind of decided how they wanted the magic battles to
look like, and they really stayed consistent with that and
I loved it. Yeah, I do wish.
I hope for the new series they make it like a little more

(01:11:54):
colorful. Yeah.
But yeah, it was it was a littlemore unique, you know, with the
the magic that we see in the spells being cast and and stuff
like that. But overall I would give this
one A7. OK.
So yeah, I mean. Pretty much on par with most of

(01:12:14):
the other movies of OF rated. Yeah, and I would definitely
say, I mean, I this is the last film like you, you kind of know
what to expect at this point. If anything, maybe not the
because such a big change between the the second and third
film. Definitely from the fourth film
onwards, it's pretty consistent with the way things play out.

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Yeah, this is a a tough one. I actually think for for what it
is, for being a movie that is essentially outside of like
maybe 3 scenes non-stop action, it actually is very well paced.
It does not feel like a 2 hour movie.

(01:13:03):
It I don't know how you felt watching it.
I felt like it flew by. Maybe that is because like so
much is going on, but it, it just, I don't know, to me it
doesn't feel like a 2 hour plus movie.
I, you know, because it is just it, it really is action on top

(01:13:24):
of action on top of action. I think from that standpoint,
I'm, I'm kind of with you on giving it a A7.
I think it does all of that. Well, you know, I, I don't agree
with some of the changes, especially towards the end and,

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and the battle with Voldemort and how the Elder Wand is
handled and, and stuff like that.
I really like. Why deviate so much from the
books at this point? It just doesn't quite make
sense. But overall, I think a pretty

(01:14:08):
solid film. It's it's really hard to judge
these as AS2 separate films, butyeah I I'd give it a a solid 7 I
think. In that case, what would you
give Deathly Hallows as a whole?If it was one movie, what would
you? Oh, I mean as a whole.

(01:14:31):
I mean, honestly, I'd give it. I'd give it a nine as a whole.
I mean, I, I think one thing youhave a pretty interesting
overarching story with a lot of payoff to make it this far.

(01:14:54):
You know, with all these films and, and stuff like that and all
of these actors and actresses and.
Not even Star Wars was made at 8movies.
All, yeah, like all these, all these set pieces, all, you know,
stuff like that. Like I, I just both of them

(01:15:16):
together, yeah, I, I would give it a nine.
What about? What about you?
Still give it a seven. OK, now for the big question
that's been brewing since we started this.
After watching them all again and they're fresh in your mind,
what is your favorite Harry Potter movie?

(01:15:37):
OK, I'm going to cut you off there because I want to save
this for our next episode. Sorry because I do.
I want to recap the this the movie series as a whole and save
a whole episode to talk about that.

(01:15:57):
So apologies, but. Stay tuned.
Stay tuned and we will answer those questions because I I do,
I do want to talk about the filmseries all together and then
rate our favorite to least favorite.

(01:16:18):
But but for now, I guess that's it.
It's it for Season 1. That's all I have and.
One is in the bag. Yeah, I guess the official end
to using this to end season 1 and kick off season 2.
And what's the? Stay tuned for Season 2.
We're going to have better quality.
We're going to have more guest stars.

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