May 8, 2025 • 53 mins
Chaos and calm – two sides of the same coin that shape our human experience. In this deeply reflective episode, we explore how finding balance during life's unexpected transitions can lead to profound personal growth.
Renee opens up about leaving her job of ten years, a decision that initially seemed daunting but ultimately created space for her musical passion to flourish. "If you would've told me that when I am now is where I would be on January 1st, I would be like you lying," she confesses, illustrating how radically life can transform when we embrace change rather than resist it.
We tackle the popular notion of a "soft life" – that idyllic, stress-free existence many influencers portray on social media. Both Renee and Dr. Gray agree that while completely escaping life's challenges might be impossible, developing a "soft mindset" offers a realistic alternative. This approach allows us to navigate difficulties with grace without becoming hardened by them.
The conversation takes a fascinating turn when we discuss creating peace during chaotic times. "You gotta just sit down," Renee advises, highlighting the power of non-engagement when circumstances feel overwhelming. Dr. Gray adds his perspective on understanding life's natural rhythms: "Things are always flowing and ebbing... you have to know when to fully lay into the flow and when to hold, and take a step back and just do nothing."
We even venture into quantum physics territory while exploring the concept of soulmates, suggesting that perhaps these profound connections might be understood through the scientific lens of entanglement – where two consciousness become so aligned they operate on the same wavelength.
Whether you're navigating a major life transition, seeking more peace amidst daily chaos, or curious about deeper human connections, this episode offers thoughtful perspectives that might just change how you approach your journey. Subscribe to hear more conversations that blend practical wisdom with philosophical depth as we continue exploring the good, the bad, and everything in between.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the good, the bad and the great podcast,
where we shine a light onwellness, personal growth and
relationships.
Together, we'll discuss highsand lows and the in-betweens,
offering different perspectiveson health and wellness.
Tune in as we peel back thelayers of life, revealing the
good, the bad and the great.
(00:24):
Welcome back to the Good, theBad and the Great podcast.
I am your host, dr Justin Burke, and I have our special guest,
(00:47):
or recurring guest recurring,guest recurring or reoccurring.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Please don't make this recurring guest.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
We have our recurring guest, hey Renee.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
What's up y'all?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Do you want to give him your real name?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I do not, it is a Renee.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Okay, okay, okay, all right.
So what's been up?
Catches up.
I know that's the first podcast.
We talked about some good stuff.
Uh, a lot of healing in thatpodcast you talked about you
know where you were and whatyour goals were going towards.
Your on this new journey you'reon.
(01:24):
So what's been up?
Talk to us.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
So I think that was like a month ago, maybe, man,
really At least three and a half, it's been like four weeks.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Time is flying yo.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Time flies when you're having fun.
Amen, yeah, so I've beenhealing and I've been.
You know, take a breath, livinglife.
I know I'm good, I'm good.
So what I didn't say in thatpodcast was that a lot of things
that happened with that, mysituation, my past situation.
(01:59):
I also no longer work at theplace that I worked at for the
last 10 years.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Really.
Yeah, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I know You're not just going to be walking around
announcing it.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
You know what we can talk about that, but this is
good news, all right.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Oh yeah, I haven't missed a beat.
Okay, my light's still on athome, so I'm good, so you just
went through a major life change.
Yeah, still on at home, so youwent through a major life change
.
Yeah, like it, because so thatwas my full time and I also have
a part-time, but my part-timeultimate hustler.
I made more in my part-timethan I did my full time.
It's weird.
Anyway, I work at the college,so yeah my full time.
(02:38):
I'm no longer there.
It's been um almost five weekssince I've been gone from there.
Oh wow, march 28th, so that'slike a month.
So, but like, otheropportunities have come up for
me and, like I said, my light'sstill on at home.
So I'm fine, amen, I'm good.
(02:58):
It was an adjustment at firstbecause my life revolved around
that job, because I had to be atwork at 4 am every morning, so
my gym schedule, like going tothe gym, I had to go to work to
the gym at 2 am.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
That's crazy.
Look people already look at mecrazy.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
when I say 4 am or 4 anything, 2 am, I'm saying
that's crazy, and I had to getup at like 1 15 because I wake
up and I don't get up.
So what time do you go to sleep?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
oh, I used to be in the bed at five like people that
don't know, that are close tome in my life my sister.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I still hadn't told my sister and my brother-in-law,
like they'd be like, what timeyou going to sleep.
Five o'clock, four o'clockjoking?
yeah, no, but that's the time Iused to go to bed.
I used to literally be in thebed at 4.30 or 5 o'clock every
day to get up at 1 something, toget to the gym at 2, work out
for an hour, go home, take ashower, go to work, so like and
(03:51):
that was not my end goal,because I have two degrees, so
where I worked at you don't needa degree to work there, so I
was still in my field, just in apart-time situation.
So it was a blessing indisguise, like I have a really
great village around me, sothey've been very encouraging.
And I talked to one of myfriends yesterday.
He was like you got to look atthe situation like glass half
(04:14):
full, empty, like how are yougoing to look at it?
And I'm like he was like if youlook at it half full, you being
out of that job, it just pushedyou to Be more in your field,
which is what I've been Wantingto do anyway.
The job I had Was a crutch forme and I don't want to say that
I got complacent, but I didBecause I should not have.
Been there for 10 years.
(04:35):
The money kept you Incomplacency, and I ain't even
gonna say the money Like it's,the benefits, like I had my
insurance and all that otherstuff.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Oh, I see, I see I've been there.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, but I mean it is this whole Like 2025.
If you would've told me thatwhen I am now Is where I would
be On January 1st, I would belike you lying man, cause
January 1st I was laying in thebed Trying to go to sleep.
Cause I had to go to work At4am.
But the because I had to go towork at 4 am, but the fireworks
and the gunshots and everythingelse y'all do on the floor on
(05:05):
the first, you didn't celebrate.
I had to be at work at 4 amthat's crazy work.
Well, yeah, dang, yeah but I'mlike I I'm appreciating
everything that I'm goingthrough right now because it's
like what I've wanted to do forso long, so like literally just
be in my field, which is music.
I have the opportunity thissummer, so I'm let's go.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, like I'm literally gonna be in music all
summer, that's good yeah,passion, though right yeah like
this.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
This is my passion, I love music.
So, yeah, that's what I've beengoing through and I'm, you know
, I did say that I don't likemen, but I am, you know.
I give certain people anopportunity, but on that level,
like you know, I'll engage inconversation.
I don't hate y'all men.
(05:58):
I don't hate y'all.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Because you have a new standard of men.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yes, so everybody doesn't get a response from me
as they, as this is how youshould be.
Yes, oh when I say that thelesson was learned, the lesson
was learned, so I I remember.
But yeah, everything is good,though is that that's a big one
though, like not working where Iused to work it a lot of people
(06:21):
don't know you know, uh, beingthat we won't make this a
relationship episode, obviously,because we're trying to, you
know, change the topics.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
um, being that you said that when you know women,
you know compliment or praiseother women when they're not
dating, when they set standardsfor themselves and they're
disciplined and not talking toguys, right, oh, you know, hats
off you, queen, go, you go,queen, whatever right.
But when a guy is doing it,he's questioned like is this
guy's gay?
Is he like, does he like women?
(06:51):
I'm serious, it's, it'smind-blowing because, like, it's
like a man, you want a stoicand a disciplined man, but you
don't, because you need to knowthat he has, or he he has, those
you know uh, cravings or histhirst for whatever.
Um, and if you don't see thatyou tend when, when people tend
to question, like, huh, hedoesn't budge, he's super
(07:12):
disciplined, I wonder why?
Is it because X.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Y Z, Because he yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I've.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I've heard that that's not always the case.
Some men are just gentlemenlike they don't.
You don't find that many men, sopeople question the fact that,
okay, if he's not especiallynowadays a lot of people are
like you know and men, like allmen, aren't just like hounding
over women like some men yeah,like some men have manners I
(07:43):
don't know.
Know it's rare to find.
So I get what you're saying.
Like, a lot of men aren't likethat, so when you come across
those type of men then it's likewhat I know, I'm fine.
He ain't got nothing to say tome.
Dang, he ain't trying to hollerLike, so I get it.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, but it was.
I'm saying this because this isexperience Like I'm saying this
because this is experience LikeI've had people like huh, like
you haven't tried to holler atme, are you and hear me out?
They don't know you.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
They don't know.
I'm like, bro, look, first andforemost, if anyone doesn't know
me, I'm like currently I'm in apeaceful calm, you know, very
disciplined place, but it tookme a while to get here, so I
don't have to go back to the guythat you think you want or they
think they want, because mostpeople want to see a response.
(08:33):
They want to see oh, let me seehow he acts when he's angry, all
this type of stuff.
But I can very well keep mycomposure under a lot of
different circumstances.
But I've realized, like specialwomen they're like they side
eye you when they say, huh, hehasn't.
I wonder, but I think what itis is a lot of them most of the
time I could be wrong, correctme if I'm wrong is they don't
(08:55):
want to say, oh, he's notattracted to me, versus over
saying that, oh, he could bepossibly gay oh, and sometimes
women just want attention,because I won't lie, I love
attention.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Oh, that's the currency for all like but I
don't need, you don't want itfrom every man like you, just
don't.
You don't want to open that butwhat if you don't get?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
what if you you want it from a person that doesn't
give it to you?
Like what happens then?
Then you begin to shoot yourshot okay if it's that deep for
you now, that's shoot your shotright if a lot of women are not
bold, which is what we'relacking today.
Women are not bold becausethey're a lot more old tradition
.
They have the traditional needsand wants, but not the
(09:39):
traditional mindset what's thesaying?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
a closed mouth does not get fed amen if you don't
want to be single for the forthe rest of your life and it's
somebody that you want to showyou some attention, they might
be shy yeah you never know, soyou just gotta shoot your shot.
I've shot my shot before okay,did like.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Were you steph curry?
Were you like?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
we, we ended up being together.
We're not together now, allright look, life happens.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
We cool, though, life happens, all right, oh, so you
want to continue updating us, oris that?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I mean, that's it.
I'm.
I'm finna be real busy withmusic, so life is great though
I'm.
I'm very like I said, even ifyou would have told me that this
is what my 2025 would look like, I would be like you lying
Because that place, like I said,there's a lot of people that
don't know that I don't workthere anymore, oh man, and you
(10:34):
would think that I would stillbe there, but I'm not, and I was
upset about the situation oranything.
I literally felt peace and,like I said, I shouldn't have
been there that long, but youknow, okay.
What you got going on in life.
Dr Gray, since we're talkingabout me, don't do that.
You are a doctor, stop.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Funny that you say that you wouldn't believe this
year would be what it panned outor is panning out to be,
because we're still in it.
If you would have told me thisin 2023, the end of 2023, where
I'm at now like career-wiseaccomplishments, all these
different type of things, Iwould have been like you, lying
(11:16):
100 like.
I literally feel like everysingle thing I worked on in the
past that I attempted hasliterally flourished and came to
fruition this particular year,like everything.
It's like 2023 was a frictionyear and 2025 is a frictionless
year.
Everything is just flowing andthings are just like happening.
(11:37):
I'm like holy smokes, like Iliterally have to like.
Literally I've pitched myself acouple of times, believe it or
not.
I'm literally like bro.
Like is this real've pitchedmyself a couple of times,
believe it or not.
I'm literally like bro, like isthis real?
Because it's a lot of goodthings.
And I think last year was a biglesson, because for some reason
last year, I felt like I keptbeing led by God to say stay
(11:58):
humble, stay humble.
I'm like, stay humble.
Like I'm not even like, but nowthis year's happened.
I'm like, oh, I'm not even like, but now this year's happening.
I'm like, oh, I see why lastyear was like stay humble year,
like focus on being humble.
I kept getting that, thatmessage, that that in my mind,
that repeated thought likehumble, even from like when I
was reading, like the bible andstuff like that.
So I was like, man, why, why amI feeling this way and why I
(12:21):
keep hearing this?
So 2025 comes and I'm like, oh,oh, like this is why I need to
stay humble, um, but I'm I'mlike 100% grateful, even from
like the people that in the pastI've experienced in 2024, 2023,
even before that, even thegreat people that are no longer
in my life.
(12:41):
I'm gonna call them greatbecause a lot of people had you
know they, they helped out in alot of different ways.
Even though we're just not inthat place, we're just still in
the same place.
We're in a place for you knoweach other, to be in each
other's lives.
I think a lot of people playeda vital role and I've met some
great people as well.
So you met me yeah, man, youmeant me.
(13:03):
Yeah, man, like on that note,like it's been like man, I can't
.
It's so many great things Ican't explain, I don't even have
the words to explain them.
But on that note me meeting youlike I've known you for a long
time.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
And it's so crazy.
It's like the people that I'veknew for a while Like Brief
periods.
This particular year they havelike Literally supplanted
themselves and like, and I know,like the relationship.
I know what it is, I know whatit's I can't even explain it,
but I the thing about it is likeeverything I've experienced
(13:40):
this particular year has, I felt, has been like supernatural
Alignment.
People like energy yes, energyhas been big this year because I
can sense when someone has likebad energy and I'm like mine is
good, okay, cool, I got to, youknow, walk away.
But just to wrap it up, man,this year has been so far has
(14:01):
been great.
I'm also in a place where I'mready for the test.
I feel like their test is gonnacome obstacles.
I'm okay with it because I'veseen, I've been there, I've been
to that dark side, I've beenthrough the struggle, I've been,
you know, upset, angry, I'vebeen like depressed, I've been
all these different things andthis particular year has shown
me like, okay, cool, you enduredsome, so here's your rewards
(14:24):
for it.
So I think, uh, that's a bigthing for this year.
But, yeah, I'm in a good place,uh, traveling a lot, which I'm
excited about.
Uh, experiencing, experiencinga new city.
Uh, experiencing, you know, newplaces, meeting new people.
Uh, it's super exciting becauseyou know, I spoke this
(14:45):
particular place up two yearsago on, not even like serious,
but I said, yeah, I'm in thisplace and I end up being in this
place.
So cool enough about me,because I don't like to talk
about me.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
But oh, whatever, but you're so interesting?
I'm not interesting now whatdid I say the other day, though?
Because you said like peoplefrom your past, it's kind of
like planted themselves thisyear what I say the other day
when one podcast door closesanother podcast door opens.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
And when you say that , literally when one door has
closed recently, another doorimmediately opens, like it's
been blowing my mind, like I'mlike whoa like, whoa like.
But I can tell you one thingI'm doing now that I'm seeing
these doors open, I'm nothesitating to walk through, I'm
running through them likethey're opening, I'm full speed
(15:35):
ahead because I know I havefaith that the right things are
presenting themselves and I havediscernment now.
So that's something I'm usingas well in terms of people
figuring out who they are, whattheir intentions are.
And it's so easy to see it nowthat I have had a year to kind
of sit back and observe, loveand serve.
So, yeah, it's been a goodthing, been a good thing.
(15:57):
So what questions you got today?
Because I know we're going totalk about a few good things, um
, from the, just from previouspods or even just from topics
throughout your day.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Well, you mentioned something.
Since we're talking about life,I don't think that this, this
will, I think I know like how itwill relate for us, because
life like a soft life versus areal life yeah.
Like a soft life is really notrealistic for me.
(16:28):
I would love to live a softlife.
Maybe there are certain aspectsof my life that I can live in
in a soft way, but if we'rethinking about my life overall,
it's not gonna be soft so youknow what I need you to do.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
We have to define what is a soft life to you.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
A soft life is like you live, really minimalistic
and it's very easy.
In my opinion, that's just whatI'm saying, but in my opinion,
I feel like someone that lives asoft life has someone that
takes care of them, and it maynot be the case.
It could be like somebody thatmakes content, whatever type,
(17:10):
because that's not hard workyeah.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I don't know, so what I'm looking in so what I'm
hearing is a life that focus onstress-free relaxation
relaxation yeah, you being likewell-balanced um care.
I say stress-free, say carefreealmost to the point to where
you, a girl, would get up andput on no makeup or not put on
(17:36):
makeup.
I don't wear makeup anyway, soso it is like, so a girl would
get up, not put on makeup.
I mean literally waking upevery day and it's like you
don't wear makeup anyway.
So so it is like so a girlwould get up, not put on makeup.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I mean literally Waking up every day and it's
like you don't really have haveto do anything, like you can.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
So the question, though, is like Can you really
escape Like the real life CauseI mean is that Real life is Is
every day you got bills to pay.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
You got.
I don't have no kids, but somepeople have mouths to feed.
I just feel like, for me, softlife is not realistic.
I'm really going to be, myfield is music and people may
think that that's easy, but Iliterally went through six years
of school to be where I am.
(18:25):
If I didn't get my master'sdegree, I would not be in this
position that I'm in now.
Master's degree Hush, dr Gray,anyway.
So I feel like people thinkthat music is just so easy which
there are moments and timeswhere it can be easy, but, like,
what I'm working on for thissummer is huge 300 plus pages of
(18:47):
music that I have to learn.
So though I can read the music,I I still have to learn it.
Like I still have to put workinto it.
Like that's not, that's not a,that's not a soft life I see
that's not life.
I got to put work in to be ableto produce a great product for
the show that I'm working on.
Like I feel like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
So I kind of like I think I see where you're going
and I'm in agreeance with that.
So my opinion is that you canhave a soft mindset, not a soft
life, because I think, likephysically, in terms of, like
you know, surviving I mean, yougot to eat all these different
(19:32):
type of things, you have toendure something to receive
something, right.
So I think you can approachthings with a soft mindset like,
ok, I'm not going to allow thisto control my situation.
Uh, okay, I'm going to focus onmy well-being instead of focus
on this person yeah like you canhave those decisions that you
make that are more soft mindsetdecisions versus you know, um,
(19:55):
you saying that my life, myentire life, is soft based off
of my actions and your, like yougot, like you said you got to
work, yeah, you got a, you gotfamily and all these other type
of things.
You got possibility of beingsick, possibility like all these
different type of things.
Like what, if you have a softlife and you get sick, is that
like?
Is your life still soft?
Like what are we saying here,bro?
No, so that mean I think it's asoft mindset which is okay,
(20:20):
okay to have, which may decreaseyour stress and your experience
in the world, because you'renot so attached to so many
different things and you're notso reactive to so many things.
So I think soft mindset is alittle bit more attain, you know
, attainable, than a soft life,or maybe it's just, you know, a
(20:46):
play on words.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Honestly, that's why you a doctor, because that makes
sense, to have come to approachthings with a soft mindset and
then it doesn't.
You don't allow your situationor whatever you're dealing with
to cause you stress.
Or have you caused you to haveanxiety?
Yeah, cause I'd be like dangy'all giving me anxiety.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I say that all the time, yeah because, man, because
at the end of the day, likewe're gonna be born and we're
gonna die, so we're alreadygonna be healthy and we'll get
sick at some point, so there'sno way you can like have a soft
life, like your life is just,you know, all relaxed.
No, bro.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Maybe some days, but not every day, hmm.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
So how do you?
What do you think?
Um, so, who do you think isleading this soft life trend?
I'm going to call it a trend.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Influencers.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Oh, okay.
So they're just showing peoplelike, oh, this is my, my day in
the life.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Like it, my oh okay.
So they're just showing peoplelike oh, this is my day in the
life.
Like it my TikTok algorithm isinsane, but you got girls that
had to be a soft life baddie,like they are.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Oh, that's a thing, so you don't have to lie to me
because I'm not on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I scroll past that mess.
I don't.
So, but I think it's the girlsthat.
And when I say like Influencers, I'm not even just talking
about like the ones that likeBlog or vlog or anything like
that, like the ones that youknow Got, like the OF.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
You know, oh Like, yeah, they can have soft.
Well, they have.
They can have soft like well,they have.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I don't know what they can have, but they're
making their money some way.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Like that's the type of girls that I see, the ones
that, like they, literally don'treally be having clothes on and
stuff that's crazy, and theybroadcast their lives on the
internet every day see, this iswhy I don't really get into like
I, I can't scroll on theinternet like, if I get in, post
, get, get on, I'm getting out.
(22:47):
It's like for real.
But I, what I did is so at thetop of the year last year is
when I actually started gettingback on social media.
You probably saw like what thisis justin yeah, definitely not
my thing, but what it is.
That long hiatus of me not beingon it kept me from being
addicted to it.
So I don't have to go scroll.
Unfortunately I don't have to,and this is not.
(23:09):
It may hurt, like, sound crazy,but I don't really care what
someone else is posting, unlessit's someone that's family.
But in order for me to see it,they're gonna have to say hey,
bro, you know, check my post out, or something like that.
Because I'm gonna be honest,this is this is my routine.
If I go in, I'm gonna postsomething and the first post I
see I like and I get out, Idon't even go go past a second
(23:30):
horrible yeah, but because Idon't want to be consumed by it.
I understand, and I dounderstand like for a man, so
much eye candy out there, somuch there's nothing wrong with
looking yeah, but you can getlike if the algorithm said, hey,
he's looking at this for morethan five seconds I'm gonna send
him more yeah and then I'mgonna fall down that rabbit hole
of like god, you're not.
(23:51):
You gotta get off your phone,gonna die eventually man, look,
you're gonna put it back on thecharge.
Oh man, I saw this girl, let mecheck in on this girl.
I saw like no, I ain't no, I'drather be in the present moment
with someone, especially if itcomes to like dating, like I'd
rather be in the present.
I don't want to be on yoursocial media.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I thought you was healed.
You supposed to be able tocontrol it.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Oh, I can't.
That's why I don't do it.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Nah, you can scroll, you just.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
This is something most people don't know about.
Who is this?
Jay Stone?
Yeah, so this is Dr Gray.
This is Jay Stone.
Listen, dr Gray does not havesweets in his house because he
the discipline.
I have discipline when I don'thave things there.
(24:36):
So if look, I'm like here orthere, like if I have it, it's
gone.
I'm going here or there, likeif I have it, it's gone, I'm
going to indulge.
So I try to like keep thingsaway that I don't think they're
good for me, because Jay Stonedoesn't have self-control with
anything, trust me.
That's why I keep See, look,I'm in a place.
Now where I am, I'm in controlof my demons.
(24:58):
I think everybody has demons.
Everybody has a dark side.
For sure, dr Gray has a darkside and I call him J Stone and
I think I cannot allow him toroam freely, because if he roams
freely, all that work you putin, all that work I put in, but
people will enjoy J Stonebecause he's disrespectful.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, because women don't like to be respected these
days.
Don't like to be respected.
Don't like to be respectedthese days, apparently.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
He's a guy that locks in and like, couldn't care less
about, like your feelings, likewe, you gonna get hurt.
See, you know what I'm saying?
I don't wanna meet him.
That's what I'm saying.
But people, and recently,Somebody does.
Recently Somebody does, recently, I think.
And recently somebody doesrecently, somebody recently, I
think.
I've been tested by a coupledifferent things and I think
(25:47):
it's because people are tryingto see like where is his?
You know, where is his firmgrip?
You know like when is he gonnalike bow up?
I'm like bro, like relax.
If I'm this way, it's for areason.
Yeah, because if I get thatweight, just like I was talking
the other day, I was like youknow, I could speak life, but I
also hurt some feelings.
(26:08):
I can, I can man, I can saysome stuff to hurt people, but I
choose not to.
Yeah, so because, so let mechoose sometimes you have to
somebody, try you oh, they try.
Yeah, that's different, sure.
Um, I've been in a lot of.
I've been in a different indifferent situations in the past
year, where someone's like on10 and I'm like cruising on five
and they come back down to fivebecause they see they're acting
(26:30):
like outrageous and they right,and it's it's.
It's crazy because I realized,like, as long as you can stay on
five, as long as you stay onfive, you should stay there.
Yeah, if they bring you up,then you, you gotta do what you
gotta do but I just said that.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
But a lot of times, like in my old job especially, I
will encounter people and likewhen I was younger working there
because I spent 10 years of mylife there, so I spent my whole
20s there I would encounterpeople and like literally mesh
their energy where, like if theywas on 20, I was on 20 with
them, like we was going back andforth.
But like the last I couldconfidently say, like the last
(27:08):
five years, I literally let thembe on 20 and I be on one and
I'll just be like okay, are youdone?
okay, and then I like,because've grown up so I
realized that, even though it'smore fun to match, your energy
(27:30):
and match your petty like I justkeep it mellow and let you look
crazy, let your blood pressureget up my mind be constant, and
then I'm going to say what Ihave to say, like so I say that,
but I don't know.
I mean it also depends on'mgonna say what I have to say
like so I say that, but I don'tknow.
I mean it also depends On thecircumstance, but I don't know
those people.
Yeah, so why am I gonna getmyself Riled up over whatever?
Speaker 1 (27:50):
You shouldn't, yeah, yeah, I think.
I think a lot of people JustAre have.
They have so many differentthings that they're not happy
with in their lives.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
They just want other people to be the exact same way.
Yeah, want people to bemiserable.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
No, and then they see you just all you know cool,
calm and collected.
They're like huh, why is she socool, calm and collected?
Let me say something and see ifI can get them all riled up.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Sometimes it's so easy.
It's so easy to let, like,whatever situation that you're
going through alter how you actor how you, because I could be a
different person right now.
But I'm telling you like I feel.
So I feel like a huge weightlifted off of me once I left
that place and I don't mean totake it back to there, but I'm
(28:41):
just saying like I could haveused that situation and did some
crazy stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
You know what I'm saying but I didn't, I'm so, I'm
so at peace with that there yougo so I feel like you sometimes
you just can't you gotta fightthat so, jay stone, dr gray jay,
we gotta choose which one youwanna talk to.
Uh, uh, uh, dr.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Gray, thank you you're always present so how,
how do you, how do you?
How do you balance, like, howdo you balance your life?
How do you treat yourself?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
mmm, uh, how do I treat myself?
I find balance by uh, makingtime for myself, um, also being
kind to people as much as I can,keeping my energy and
maintaining a good energy, andjust making time for myself
helps me keep a balance.
I'm gonna say soft life, but Idon't think I have a soft life
you definitely don't have a softlife.
(29:35):
I'm used to like working likeI'm gonna work.
I like to work yeah, you know Iput in work but I practice
intimacy and love with myself,not the physical, but more of
like feeling joy.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Uh, at times I practice joy every single day
you really do and that's what Iwas going to say.
Like you say, you, you, you tryto treat people a certain way
and you get what you give, amen.
So I'm telling you, like I saidit on the first podcast, well,
the first, not the first, thefirst one of the second season
chapter.
Sorry, you don't like seasonsthis the first episode from the
(30:11):
second chapter.
Yeah, you literally be in thegym, so hype yeah even if I'm
sleepy like and I have to wakeup and do some cardio, you'd be
like what's wrong with?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
you?
What's wrong with you?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I just gotta wake up yo, I just gotta wake up, but
like you, be so lit and thenlike eventually it falls on me
and I'm like okay, but no, likeyour, your spirit is very
infectious, so I, yeah, I think,especially in the morning times
.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
But I think it's because, like that, when I
literally said that's my me time, that's me literally honing in
on my joy, my energy and Britain, for some reason it projects
out outward.
People feel it, they see it.
I have people in the gym, oreven not even the gym.
They speak, they look at me,they're like huh and they speak.
You know how many times I'vehad so many people said they,
(30:59):
you look familiar.
And I think what it is is myenergy looks familiar, like they
feel something different and I,because I've really been
thinking about I, said why dopeople?
And then walk in the airport,man, first, let me say this
before I get on top in theairport.
Yo, I walk in the airport and Isee people staring at different
things like that and I thinkobviously could be a few
(31:21):
different reasons.
But you know, I think it'sbecause my energy, my energy is
is, I think I'm, I'm in thatplace where I have a lot of joy
and I can give it.
And, uh, I think people are,are really familiar with it, but
they don't know what it is.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Um, somebody and I think I said this on one part,
somebody said it just feels likefamily, uh, but anyways, I
think, uh, on that note that,bro, do you know how many people
are in the airport?
Every single day it blows mymind, like I've been in the
airport and I've been like whereare all these people going?
Every week I'm in the airport.
Where are all these peoplegoing, bro?
(31:59):
Yeah and I'm like what is?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
going on, you're traveling, you like.
I know it's gonna be dead inthe airport.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Where are all these people going, bro?
Yeah, and I'm like what isgoing on?
You traveling?
Speaker 2 (32:02):
You like.
I know it's going to be dead atthe airport today, Bro.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Nope, where are these people going?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Somewhere, just like you.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
So you want to answer that question, or?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Wait, how do I treat myself?
Yeah, I can't lie.
I used to treat myself bybuying stuff.
That's why I have a lot ofshoes.
And stuff now and a lot ofclothes I don't anymore.
How do I treat myself?
Relax, okay, chill, like Idon't do the most, I don't do
too much.
I'm.
(32:32):
I'm so different now Than whatI used to be and I'm I guess
it's just me growing up and Ijust Focus a lot Now on saving
my money so I can get me a houselike Chrissy Big money.
Because Chrissy got a house.
I want me a house too, okay, butyeah, no, not big money yet
(32:54):
Coming soon.
Yeah, I don't.
I'm not really into thetangible things, either Not
really.
I'm not really into thetangible things, either Not
really.
And I think a lot of peopleRely on people to Get them
things Too, and that's not apart of the question.
But it just made me think aboutthat soft life thing again,
because I feel like a lot ofpeople feel like them having a
(33:17):
soft life.
Is somebody like literallyTaking care of them, buying them
whatever they want?
Yeah, I don't want that BecauseI can get it myself.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Everybody can have a soft life if that's their
definition Like having peoplebuy you everything Because not
everybody is going to beattached to that person.
That is a huge provider.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, that's why you got those sites where you talk
to a stranger and get paid.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Talk to a stranger, you know what I thought about.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
you know if I do need a side hustle I could you know
anyways, but uh, don't do that,dr gray don't do that because
they're gonna hear your name belike oh, he's loaded let's get
it how do you create peace whenlife is chaotic?
We're still talking about life.
So how do you create peace whenlife is chaotic?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
We're still talking about life.
So how do you create peace whenlife is chaotic?
I guess, ooh, go ahead, saythat again.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Well, I posed the question, so you can answer that
.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
What was the question ?
Speaker 2 (34:09):
How do you create peace when life is chaotic?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
How do you create peace when life is chaotic?
Ooh, the calm and the chaos.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
You got to sit your behind down.
No.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
You got to sit your behind down.
No, I think you need topractice both in each let me say
season, each aspect.
So, when there's chaos, youneed to practice peace.
When there's peace, you need topractice chaos.
But to answer your question,how do I practice peace?
Speaker 2 (34:39):
How do you create peace when life is chaotic?
How do I create peace when?
Speaker 1 (34:41):
life is chaotic.
How do I create peace when lifeis chaotic?
I, personally, I'll I'll take astep back from all the chaos,
so I'll try to sidestep somestuff and just create like, um,
you know, um, oh, this isinteresting because this may be
related to you I create like aplaylist.
(35:01):
Every single time things getchaotic, I create a new music
playlist and a lot of the samesongs will be on there.
So don't judge me so.
Three, three of my main songs,um, that I always go back to
when it's chaotic and I need tohone in on the piece is
(35:22):
Dangerously In Love by Beyonce.
That song, right there, she didthat.
That's not the album, the song.
And Lately, by Tyrese, one ofmy favorites and I forgot the
other songs.
Oh, john Legend, not JohnLegend.
James Bay, one of my top artistsRunning I don't know him yeah,
(35:45):
you're not gonna know, james,take a listen one day, uh, maybe
, of his.
So he has an album, ironicallycalled the chaos after the calm,
the calm after chaos, orsomething like that, one of my
favorite albums.
He's literally like he's, youknow, in that album he goes
through a couple songs talkingabout letting go incomplete,
running like finding love, likeit's a lot of different places
(36:07):
he goes, but it's truly chaosand calm and I think, um, that's
how I do it.
I kind of, I find like I likemusic, I think music soothes me,
um, it helps me channel thatjoy and love that I want to feel
in certain moments and I canalways go back to it.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
So I think, for me, I would say through music well,
when I said the question was,how do you create peace when
life is chaotic, I say you gottajust sit down.
You're talking some.
No, no, literally you gottastop moving, because if you
continue moving you're gonnaconsume yourself in the chaos.
(36:44):
Amen, okay, so you, peace bestill like.
You literally just gotta.
That's what I've had to do.
That is why I'm so.
People don't realize thatthat's.
This is what I'm.
I've dealt with is the lastmonth because I'm so chill about
the situation and it was achaotic situation, but I've
approached it.
(37:05):
I've I've done such a differentapproach with it.
Like I'm so chill, I literallylike took three days where I
just said I worked out, I wenthome and I just said I didn't, I
wasn't upset, I wasn't mad oranything like that.
I literally was just chill andI feel like that sometimes
(37:28):
that's what you have to do.
And and then you, you also cango to your outlets of music.
I love music too, of course.
I love music, but I love alltypes of music.
So, whereas those your bigthree, like i'ma have, like yeah
, you probably can't have aclassical music.
No, like my, my, my music on myphone is very, very diverse, so
(37:49):
I love music too.
But I just feel like you justgot to sit down for a second.
Don't let the chaos around youconsume you.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Let it kind of pass you by a little bit.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
So we're talking about flowing huh.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yeah, we're talking about flowing Like that boulder
in the river.
Like that boulder in the river.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Like that boulder in the river.
Like yeah that boulder's thereJust flow right yeah 100%.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
No like let it pass you by Once that it calms down
some.
Then move, pick your move.
Determine what you're going todo.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah, you know, one of my main focuses this year is
Really truly honing in on theebbs and flow of things, of
people, circumstances andeverything.
And what I mean by that is and Ithink I said this briefly in
the first part like things arealways flowing and ebbing, like
sometimes things are flowing inyour direction, sometimes
they're not not yeah but what Irealized even with business,
(38:46):
like even when your efforts inbusiness, you have to know when
to fully lay into the flow andwhen the whole, and take a step
back and just do nothing, Iliterally it took me a while to
really understand it, and when Iunderstood that I'm never
exhausted because I know when togo, what was it?
You gotta know when.
Oh, but no I know when to likeliterally go and I know when
(39:12):
like just to not do anything.
But you'll have people in thoseum moments where you're not
doing anything, hey, when you'regonna do this, hey, you should
do this.
Don't listen to them.
You really need to just feel,and I think that's a part of
understanding god's timing andnot your timing.
Yeah, because you can see.
You can see when people arelike really hitting the wall
when it comes to you, or whenthings are just not working,
(39:35):
it's okay not to force it, tosit in it, okay, cool.
And then that moment is goingto appear when you just got to
run and you run and do not stop.
You can see me do that in thesummer, by the way.
Um, but I'm saying likeliterally, it's ebbs and flow
and I've been like literallyimmersed in that recently, even
(39:55):
with people, some people.
Sometimes they have their daysor their moments, sometimes they
don't, but I'm always in thatmoment Okay, cool, I'm like
Bruce Lee water, be like water,be like water.
Be like water.
Be like water, like seriouslywater takes the form of whatever
it's in or around, but um, Ithink that's important.
If you're going through a lotof chaos, like you said, you're
(40:15):
basically saying it like, justdon't force it sit and just
allow it to flow past you yes,you literally don't, don't
engage, do not engage do notengage, not engage.
Oh, that's a hey, that's a ball.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
I'm telling you, man, I'm learning so many lessons in
2025.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
2025 is your year to learn everything you need to
learn.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Because, baby, what they say, 2026 is my year, okay,
2026 is yours.
No, that's just what the peoplesay.
I have another question for you.
Yeah, people say I have anotherquestion for you.
Yeah, so how you so eloquentlyput it talking to siege, you are
, you, you know.
Shout out to cj.
(40:57):
He's crazy.
You were.
You're open to to love, yeah,so how's that going for you well
?
Speaker 1 (41:07):
I thought it was not a podcast episode.
I mean like not a A loveepisode.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
A relationship.
Well, you said I could askanything, and it just made me
think about that.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Well, I guess I'm not .
This doesn't have to be aboutrelationships.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
That's going well.
So what you're saying is likeam I open to initiating
something myself with a woman?
Am I open to initiatingsomething?
Speaker 2 (41:29):
myself with a woman.
Well, I know that you are, butI was just wondering how it was
going in general, because you'reopen to it.
So like is something going?
Like do you have?
Speaker 1 (41:40):
a prospect.
Ebbs and flow.
I'm just letting things flowand letting things ebb.
He get my nerves.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Do you have a prospect?
Prospects more.
You shouldn't have one rightnow it should be multiples.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Man, that's a lot of competition and you know what?
Speaker 2 (41:57):
my my best friend tells me that all the time she's
like you don't need to just betrying to talk to one person you
need to have options, but I thetype of person that I am, it's
so hard for me to try to talk tomultiple people and just talk
like not, you know, beingintimate or anything like
literally just talk like I can.
(42:19):
But it's very hard and I thinkthat helps too.
Like it helps.
With it you're not likeattached to just one person, I
think that.
that's my issue, you can like,wean out the icky ones.
You can wean those out.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
I think that's my issue, though I think I don't
want to talk to multiple people.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
No, I do not when I say I don't want to that's a lot
of energy.
Yes, look, do you know how manytimes I got to tell you what I
do every day like yo, I gottatell you my career in a past
life J Stone was not a great guy.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
He was not a great guy.
He entertained multiple womenand it's a lot of energy and I
do not want to do that again.
I would never do that again andI think that's why I'm like.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
That's why you like real like, not right now.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Yeah like well, it's not, even not right now.
It's like a more selective,like not right now.
Yeah, like well, it's not, evennot right now.
It's like a more selective,like I know I can sense energy
and I know what energy is morecompatible right now.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
You know, like, who could come in and fit like a
glove at this moment, becauseeach moment I'm evolving,
everybody's evolving, so theremay be another moment where
somebody else is a little bitmore compatible with that moment
.
I think it's important to havesomebody that is not completely
compatible but closely, you know, um conformative to your moment
(43:37):
.
At your end, if you're gonna soyou can build off of that.
Now, if you got somebody that'scompletely like, you know not,
but they're hot and you want totalk to them, or whatever, no it
the issue is it's it could getsomewhere physically, but it
won't get anywhere spirituallyor mentally or emotionally so
that's jay stone.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
If they're hot, jay stone will talk to them.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
But dr great, just because they're hot dr grace, dr
great, so you ever listen tothe song poison, poison, yeah,
so so that song is like, in mymind, three different
perspectives.
And um, you have justin, youhave dr gray and you have jay
(44:21):
stone, jay stone, the guys likeme and the crew used to do a
time me and the crew used to do.
That's funny, that's so funny,yo, but it's crazy because I
karaoke that in the car everytime, but it's funny.
Um, but I think that when ityeah, I'm very weird, but when
it comes to me like, like, Idon't want to entertain multiple
(44:41):
people, so I I like I wouldprefer to make a great decision
which may take a little bit oftime, yeah you know, versus just
like out here just entertainingmultiple people, just being
distracted.
Man, women take a lot of work,especially if they're like you
know men take a lot of work too.
For sure, don't do that yeah, Iwould never disagree with that.
(45:03):
I think everybody takes a lotof work, but when it comes to,
like you know, dating certainwomen, it's, it could be a
handful.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
Certain women that's going to be on your level.
You got to put it all out therebecause you're not just going
to be dating anybody.
You got a PhD.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Okay, let's unpack that, bro, and I wouldn't let
you just date.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
What do you?
Speaker 1 (45:25):
mean, you're a doctor , you know what?
I don't understand that.
You know my one of my academicadvisors.
He literally like, he's uh, hehas a very thick african accent.
He's like justin, you have aphd now, man, you're gonna get
all the girls, the women gonnalove you, he's.
He always says it's so funny,literally I went and saw one day
(45:48):
and he literally calls me inhis office.
He's like, uh, come to theoffice right now.
Oh, like, I'm teaching class.
He's like, hey, I need youright, like, not like an
aggressive tone, but hey, it'san emergency, come to the office
.
I go to his office and I said,hey, what's going on?
He was like he, oh he, it wasthis girl in his office.
Literally it was this girl inhis office and I'm like what's
(46:11):
going?
Like what is going?
And he was like, oh, justin, uh, meet xyz.
I'm like, bro, I'm teachingclass right now.
What is?
Speaker 2 (46:17):
going on for a woman but no, he.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
I guess in his mind he was like, oh, this person
would be great, a great fit,because she's intelligent, blah,
blah, blah, blah.
You know he was he's matter offact, everybody is in my life
now Only matchmaking on 10.
Like Justin, all right, checkthis out.
Oh, justin, look.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
I don't do that.
So you guys, you, can't sayeverybody.
I appreciate you Because Idon't want you doing that to me.
I got you.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Yeah, matchmaking is crazy work.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
No, but it makes sense.
I don't mean to cut you off,but it makes sense.
Like, and this is the crazypart, you got to be careful
because I, I know a littlesomething now.
Okay.
Okay, women want lawyers, theywant doctors.
They don't care if it's aresearch degree, a general, you
know, surgeon, dentist, theywant doctors, they want lawyers.
(47:12):
I say that already.
They want judges.
That that's what they wantbecause they want somebody to
take care of them.
So you gotta be careful, yougotta make sure you find
somebody that's on your level,that's not trying to live a soft
life they're trying to live areal life, okay, okay yeah, so
you have to be careful huh, I, Ikeep that in mind.
Yeah, right, you know what Ijust look look all right all
(47:36):
right do you have any questionsfor me before we wrap up?
Yeah we gotta wrap up.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
I do not have that.
Oh, I do.
Oh, I I do want yourperspective on this.
Do you feel like this is aquestion from one of our
listeners and our past guest,chrissy?
Chrissy, she wanted to knowwhat are your thoughts on
soulmates and do you think youonly have one or multiple?
Speaker 2 (48:05):
What's my thoughts on soulmates?
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Do you believe in soulmates?
Speaker 2 (48:10):
I think I haven't experienced.
I don't think I've experienceda soulmate.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
I probably got a soulmate out there somewhere.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
But I feel like a soulmate.
You can have a friend that's asoulmate too.
Never saw her like that, so ifyou do, then that's multiples,
cause it can be like a.
That's a soulmate too.
So if you do, then that'smultiples, because it can be
like a lover as a soulmate and afriend as a soulmate, like some
people literally have verysolid friendships where they
feel like they are, they areliterally soulmates.
Um yeah, I haven't experienceda soulmate, though, so I don't
(48:48):
really have too much to sayabout that okay, maybe one day,
you know you're healed how youfeel about that.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
Um, I think you know, so my answer would be more
scientific of course, dr gray.
Okay, I'll make it simple, butI'll keep it, like you know,
short.
So I feel like quantum physicsand the conscious, or
consciousness, is correlated ina lot of different ways.
(49:16):
It could be.
You know the science of, orvice versa, I think, at some
point in our life or our, youknow physical life, but our
conscious kind of links up withsomeone else.
You've heard of quantum, quantumentanglement, all right, so
yeah, don't worry about it let'ssay all right, let's just say
(49:38):
that I think and this is justconscious related I think that
two people could be on the samewavelength, literally, right, um
, vibrations and frequencies,whatever you want to call it and
I think that they could beliterally so tethered that they
could be going through somethingsimilar in life in terms of
emotions and experiences, and Ithink that in itself could be a
(50:02):
form of your soulmate.
And when you meet that person,everything, everything, just
like amplifies and you feel itand it's almost like second
nature, like everything that youdo or say is almost like whoa,
like this is familiar and thisfeels good, and you really
amplify each other.
And so I think there's a,there's a instance where there
(50:23):
is a soulmate and I don't knowlike how to describe it yet, but
I think it's definitely relatedto like quantum physics or
quantum entanglement and aconsciousness, right.
I think those two, those twotopics you know immerse or
together can probably explain,can probably explain soulmates a
lot better.
I'm diving into that actually,so that's one of my like moments
(50:45):
where I like to geek out.
I love quantum mechanics,quantum physics, anything
quantum related into thatactually.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
So that's one of my like moments where I like to
geek out I love, yeah, I lovequantum mechanics, quantum
physics, anything quantumrelated.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
That's my, that's my like, uh, like, well, that's my
interest in terms of likescience.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
I love science do you think you've met a soulmate?
Because I feel like you canmeet a soulmate and then y'all
can grow apart yeah, I, I thinkyou could, because I think so.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
Back to that, the example I just placed, like you
guys are like linked up, I thinkthere could be something that
occurs, that that, uh, if we'retalking in terms of wavelengths,
that can kind of amplify onebut, you know, minimize the
other wavelength and you guyskind of get off off track in
that sense, so you're no longervibrating or no longer like
(51:31):
synced up or aligned, and Ithink, truly, when you guys
separate it takes time for bothof those wavelengths to balance
out right.
So I think yes, to answer yourquestion.
I think yes, I think, dependingon like you know the hurt, you
know the emotions involved orthe influences from outer, you
(51:52):
know from external things toeach person, I think that can be
an effect on, can have aneffect on the two soul mates and
they can be ripped apart butstill in each other's like
mindset, conscious, likeliterally.
I think that's the possibilityfor sure, and you know, like you
, you know if you're tethered tosomeone yeah truly, because you
(52:14):
like and you just feel it rightand you can't explain that
feeling.
It's like one of those qualityof things where it's like, uh,
you know, you can't, you don'tknow what, how to describe an
itch.
It's just something you can'texplain.
So, yeah, um, it was a goodquestion, so let's do you have
anything else, that's a goodanswer.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
It shows your wit, dr Gray, I try not to.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
I try to give people Justin because they oh speak.
Nobody wants Dr Gray, everybodyjust.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
I love education, so I love Dr Gray.
Yeah, I can.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
I can go there and I love to geek out if we can geek
out, but, uh, let's wrap thisthing up.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
So, um, any things for our listeners no, y'all just
keep following along, goingalong with the ride.
We're trying to be consistentover here yes, ma'am, she's
keeping us consistent guys.
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We're going to post all thecontent to YouTube.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
Good, bad gray on TikTok.
He's awful.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Alright, let me say that again, it's good, bad, gray
on TikTok and the podcast.
If you're listening, is thegood, the bad and the gray if
you're just listening, and, uh,is the good, the bad and the
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See you next time, guys bye.
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Together, we'll discuss highsand lows and the in-betweens,
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I am your host, dr Justin Burke, and I have our special guest,
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Speaker 2 (00:52):
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Speaker 1 (00:54):
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Speaker 2 (00:58):
What's up y'all?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Do you want to give him your real name?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I do not, it is a Renee.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Okay, okay, okay, all right.
So what's been up?
Catches up.
I know that's the first podcast.
We talked about some good stuff.
Uh, a lot of healing in thatpodcast you talked about you
know where you were and whatyour goals were going towards.
Your on this new journey you'reon.
(01:24):
So what's been up?
Talk to us.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
So I think that was like a month ago, maybe, man,
really At least three and a half, it's been like four weeks.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Time is flying yo.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Time flies when you're having fun.
Amen, yeah, so I've beenhealing and I've been.
You know, take a breath, livinglife.
I know I'm good, I'm good.
So what I didn't say in thatpodcast was that a lot of things
that happened with that, mysituation, my past situation.
(01:59):
I also no longer work at theplace that I worked at for the
last 10 years.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Really.
Yeah, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I know You're not just going to be walking around
announcing it.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
You know what we can talk about that, but this is
good news, all right.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Oh yeah, I haven't missed a beat.
Okay, my light's still on athome, so I'm good, so you just
went through a major life change.
Yeah, still on at home, so youwent through a major life change
.
Yeah, like it, because so thatwas my full time and I also have
a part-time, but my part-timeultimate hustler.
I made more in my part-timethan I did my full time.
It's weird.
Anyway, I work at the college,so yeah my full time.
(02:38):
I'm no longer there.
It's been um almost five weekssince I've been gone from there.
Oh wow, march 28th, so that'slike a month.
So, but like, otheropportunities have come up for
me and, like I said, my light'sstill on at home.
So I'm fine, amen, I'm good.
(02:58):
It was an adjustment at firstbecause my life revolved around
that job, because I had to be atwork at 4 am every morning, so
my gym schedule, like going tothe gym, I had to go to work to
the gym at 2 am.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
That's crazy.
Look people already look at mecrazy.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
when I say 4 am or 4 anything, 2 am, I'm saying
that's crazy, and I had to getup at like 1 15 because I wake
up and I don't get up.
So what time do you go to sleep?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
oh, I used to be in the bed at five like people that
don't know, that are close tome in my life my sister.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I still hadn't told my sister and my brother-in-law,
like they'd be like, what timeyou going to sleep.
Five o'clock, four o'clockjoking?
yeah, no, but that's the time Iused to go to bed.
I used to literally be in thebed at 4.30 or 5 o'clock every
day to get up at 1 something, toget to the gym at 2, work out
for an hour, go home, take ashower, go to work, so like and
(03:51):
that was not my end goal,because I have two degrees, so
where I worked at you don't needa degree to work there, so I
was still in my field, just in apart-time situation.
So it was a blessing indisguise, like I have a really
great village around me, sothey've been very encouraging.
And I talked to one of myfriends yesterday.
He was like you got to look atthe situation like glass half
(04:14):
full, empty, like how are yougoing to look at it?
And I'm like he was like if youlook at it half full, you being
out of that job, it just pushedyou to Be more in your field,
which is what I've been Wantingto do anyway.
The job I had Was a crutch forme and I don't want to say that
I got complacent, but I didBecause I should not have.
Been there for 10 years.
(04:35):
The money kept you Incomplacency, and I ain't even
gonna say the money Like it's,the benefits, like I had my
insurance and all that otherstuff.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Oh, I see, I see I've been there.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, but I mean it is this whole Like 2025.
If you would've told me thatwhen I am now Is where I would
be On January 1st, I would belike you lying man, cause
January 1st I was laying in thebed Trying to go to sleep.
Cause I had to go to work At4am.
But the because I had to go towork at 4 am, but the fireworks
and the gunshots and everythingelse y'all do on the floor on
(05:05):
the first, you didn't celebrate.
I had to be at work at 4 amthat's crazy work.
Well, yeah, dang, yeah but I'mlike I I'm appreciating
everything that I'm goingthrough right now because it's
like what I've wanted to do forso long, so like literally just
be in my field, which is music.
I have the opportunity thissummer, so I'm let's go.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, like I'm literally gonna be in music all
summer, that's good yeah,passion, though right yeah like
this.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
This is my passion, I love music.
So, yeah, that's what I've beengoing through and I'm, you know
, I did say that I don't likemen, but I am, you know.
I give certain people anopportunity, but on that level,
like you know, I'll engage inconversation.
I don't hate y'all men.
(05:58):
I don't hate y'all.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Because you have a new standard of men.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yes, so everybody doesn't get a response from me
as they, as this is how youshould be.
Yes, oh when I say that thelesson was learned, the lesson
was learned, so I I remember.
But yeah, everything is good,though is that that's a big one
though, like not working where Iused to work it a lot of people
(06:21):
don't know you know, uh, beingthat we won't make this a
relationship episode, obviously,because we're trying to, you
know, change the topics.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
um, being that you said that when you know women,
you know compliment or praiseother women when they're not
dating, when they set standardsfor themselves and they're
disciplined and not talking toguys, right, oh, you know, hats
off you, queen, go, you go,queen, whatever right.
But when a guy is doing it,he's questioned like is this
guy's gay?
Is he like, does he like women?
(06:51):
I'm serious, it's, it'smind-blowing because, like, it's
like a man, you want a stoicand a disciplined man, but you
don't, because you need to knowthat he has, or he he has, those
you know uh, cravings or histhirst for whatever.
Um, and if you don't see thatyou tend when, when people tend
to question, like, huh, hedoesn't budge, he's super
(07:12):
disciplined, I wonder why?
Is it because X.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Y Z, Because he yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I've.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I've heard that that's not always the case.
Some men are just gentlemenlike they don't.
You don't find that many men, sopeople question the fact that,
okay, if he's not especiallynowadays a lot of people are
like you know and men, like allmen, aren't just like hounding
over women like some men yeah,like some men have manners I
(07:43):
don't know.
Know it's rare to find.
So I get what you're saying.
Like, a lot of men aren't likethat, so when you come across
those type of men then it's likewhat I know, I'm fine.
He ain't got nothing to say tome.
Dang, he ain't trying to hollerLike, so I get it.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, but it was.
I'm saying this because this isexperience Like I'm saying this
because this is experience LikeI've had people like huh, like
you haven't tried to holler atme, are you and hear me out?
They don't know you.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
They don't know.
I'm like, bro, look, first andforemost, if anyone doesn't know
me, I'm like currently I'm in apeaceful calm, you know, very
disciplined place, but it tookme a while to get here, so I
don't have to go back to the guythat you think you want or they
think they want, because mostpeople want to see a response.
(08:33):
They want to see oh, let me seehow he acts when he's angry, all
this type of stuff.
But I can very well keep mycomposure under a lot of
different circumstances.
But I've realized, like specialwomen they're like they side
eye you when they say, huh, hehasn't.
I wonder, but I think what itis is a lot of them most of the
time I could be wrong, correctme if I'm wrong is they don't
(08:55):
want to say, oh, he's notattracted to me, versus over
saying that, oh, he could bepossibly gay oh, and sometimes
women just want attention,because I won't lie, I love
attention.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Oh, that's the currency for all like but I
don't need, you don't want itfrom every man like you, just
don't.
You don't want to open that butwhat if you don't get?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
what if you you want it from a person that doesn't
give it to you?
Like what happens then?
Then you begin to shoot yourshot okay if it's that deep for
you now, that's shoot your shotright if a lot of women are not
bold, which is what we'relacking today.
Women are not bold becausethey're a lot more old tradition
.
They have the traditional needsand wants, but not the
(09:39):
traditional mindset what's thesaying?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
a closed mouth does not get fed amen if you don't
want to be single for the forthe rest of your life and it's
somebody that you want to showyou some attention, they might
be shy yeah you never know, soyou just gotta shoot your shot.
I've shot my shot before okay,did like.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Were you steph curry?
Were you like?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
we, we ended up being together.
We're not together now, allright look, life happens.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
We cool, though, life happens, all right, oh, so you
want to continue updating us, oris that?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I mean, that's it.
I'm.
I'm finna be real busy withmusic, so life is great though
I'm.
I'm very like I said, even ifyou would have told me that this
is what my 2025 would look like, I would be like you lying
Because that place, like I said,there's a lot of people that
don't know that I don't workthere anymore, oh man, and you
(10:34):
would think that I would stillbe there, but I'm not, and I was
upset about the situation oranything.
I literally felt peace and,like I said, I shouldn't have
been there that long, but youknow, okay.
What you got going on in life.
Dr Gray, since we're talkingabout me, don't do that.
You are a doctor, stop.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Funny that you say that you wouldn't believe this
year would be what it panned outor is panning out to be,
because we're still in it.
If you would have told me thisin 2023, the end of 2023, where
I'm at now like career-wiseaccomplishments, all these
different type of things, Iwould have been like you, lying
(11:16):
100 like.
I literally feel like everysingle thing I worked on in the
past that I attempted hasliterally flourished and came to
fruition this particular year,like everything.
It's like 2023 was a frictionyear and 2025 is a frictionless
year.
Everything is just flowing andthings are just like happening.
(11:37):
I'm like holy smokes, like Iliterally have to like.
Literally I've pitched myself acouple of times, believe it or
not.
I'm literally like bro.
Like is this real've pitchedmyself a couple of times,
believe it or not.
I'm literally like bro, like isthis real?
Because it's a lot of goodthings.
And I think last year was a biglesson, because for some reason
last year, I felt like I keptbeing led by God to say stay
(11:58):
humble, stay humble.
I'm like, stay humble.
Like I'm not even like, but nowthis year's happened.
I'm like, oh, I'm not even like, but now this year's happening.
I'm like, oh, I see why lastyear was like stay humble year,
like focus on being humble.
I kept getting that, thatmessage, that that in my mind,
that repeated thought likehumble, even from like when I
was reading, like the bible andstuff like that.
So I was like, man, why, why amI feeling this way and why I
(12:21):
keep hearing this?
So 2025 comes and I'm like, oh,oh, like this is why I need to
stay humble, um, but I'm I'mlike 100% grateful, even from
like the people that in the pastI've experienced in 2024, 2023,
even before that, even thegreat people that are no longer
in my life.
(12:41):
I'm gonna call them greatbecause a lot of people had you
know they, they helped out in alot of different ways.
Even though we're just not inthat place, we're just still in
the same place.
We're in a place for you knoweach other, to be in each
other's lives.
I think a lot of people playeda vital role and I've met some
great people as well.
So you met me yeah, man, youmeant me.
(13:03):
Yeah, man, like on that note,like it's been like man, I can't
.
It's so many great things Ican't explain, I don't even have
the words to explain them.
But on that note me meeting youlike I've known you for a long
time.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
And it's so crazy.
It's like the people that I'veknew for a while Like Brief
periods.
This particular year they havelike Literally supplanted
themselves and like, and I know,like the relationship.
I know what it is, I know whatit's I can't even explain it,
but I the thing about it is likeeverything I've experienced
(13:40):
this particular year has, I felt, has been like supernatural
Alignment.
People like energy yes, energyhas been big this year because I
can sense when someone has likebad energy and I'm like mine is
good, okay, cool, I got to, youknow, walk away.
But just to wrap it up, man,this year has been so far has
(14:01):
been great.
I'm also in a place where I'mready for the test.
I feel like their test is gonnacome obstacles.
I'm okay with it because I'veseen, I've been there, I've been
to that dark side, I've beenthrough the struggle, I've been,
you know, upset, angry, I'vebeen like depressed, I've been
all these different things andthis particular year has shown
me like, okay, cool, you enduredsome, so here's your rewards
(14:24):
for it.
So I think, uh, that's a bigthing for this year.
But, yeah, I'm in a good place,uh, traveling a lot, which I'm
excited about.
Uh, experiencing, experiencinga new city.
Uh, experiencing, you know, newplaces, meeting new people.
Uh, it's super exciting becauseyou know, I spoke this
(14:45):
particular place up two yearsago on, not even like serious,
but I said, yeah, I'm in thisplace and I end up being in this
place.
So cool enough about me,because I don't like to talk
about me.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
But oh, whatever, but you're so interesting?
I'm not interesting now whatdid I say the other day, though?
Because you said like peoplefrom your past, it's kind of
like planted themselves thisyear what I say the other day
when one podcast door closesanother podcast door opens.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
And when you say that , literally when one door has
closed recently, another doorimmediately opens, like it's
been blowing my mind, like I'mlike whoa like, whoa like.
But I can tell you one thingI'm doing now that I'm seeing
these doors open, I'm nothesitating to walk through, I'm
running through them likethey're opening, I'm full speed
(15:35):
ahead because I know I havefaith that the right things are
presenting themselves and I havediscernment now.
So that's something I'm usingas well in terms of people
figuring out who they are, whattheir intentions are.
And it's so easy to see it nowthat I have had a year to kind
of sit back and observe, loveand serve.
So, yeah, it's been a goodthing, been a good thing.
(15:57):
So what questions you got today?
Because I know we're going totalk about a few good things, um
, from the, just from previouspods or even just from topics
throughout your day.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Well, you mentioned something.
Since we're talking about life,I don't think that this, this
will, I think I know like how itwill relate for us, because
life like a soft life versus areal life yeah.
Like a soft life is really notrealistic for me.
(16:28):
I would love to live a softlife.
Maybe there are certain aspectsof my life that I can live in
in a soft way, but if we'rethinking about my life overall,
it's not gonna be soft so youknow what I need you to do.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
We have to define what is a soft life to you.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
A soft life is like you live, really minimalistic
and it's very easy.
In my opinion, that's just whatI'm saying, but in my opinion,
I feel like someone that lives asoft life has someone that
takes care of them, and it maynot be the case.
It could be like somebody thatmakes content, whatever type,
(17:10):
because that's not hard workyeah.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I don't know, so what I'm looking in so what I'm
hearing is a life that focus onstress-free relaxation
relaxation yeah, you being likewell-balanced um care.
I say stress-free, say carefreealmost to the point to where
you, a girl, would get up andput on no makeup or not put on
(17:36):
makeup.
I don't wear makeup anyway, soso it is like, so a girl would
get up, not put on makeup.
I mean literally waking upevery day and it's like you
don't wear makeup anyway.
So so it is like so a girlwould get up, not put on makeup.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I mean literally Waking up every day and it's
like you don't really have haveto do anything, like you can.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
So the question, though, is like Can you really
escape Like the real life CauseI mean is that Real life is Is
every day you got bills to pay.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
You got.
I don't have no kids, but somepeople have mouths to feed.
I just feel like, for me, softlife is not realistic.
I'm really going to be, myfield is music and people may
think that that's easy, but Iliterally went through six years
of school to be where I am.
(18:25):
If I didn't get my master'sdegree, I would not be in this
position that I'm in now.
Master's degree Hush, dr Gray,anyway.
So I feel like people thinkthat music is just so easy which
there are moments and timeswhere it can be easy, but, like,
what I'm working on for thissummer is huge 300 plus pages of
(18:47):
music that I have to learn.
So though I can read the music,I I still have to learn it.
Like I still have to put workinto it.
Like that's not, that's not a,that's not a soft life I see
that's not life.
I got to put work in to be ableto produce a great product for
the show that I'm working on.
Like I feel like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
So I kind of like I think I see where you're going
and I'm in agreeance with that.
So my opinion is that you canhave a soft mindset, not a soft
life, because I think, likephysically, in terms of, like
you know, surviving I mean, yougot to eat all these different
(19:32):
type of things, you have toendure something to receive
something, right.
So I think you can approachthings with a soft mindset like,
ok, I'm not going to allow thisto control my situation.
Uh, okay, I'm going to focus onmy well-being instead of focus
on this person yeah like you canhave those decisions that you
make that are more soft mindsetdecisions versus you know, um,
(19:55):
you saying that my life, myentire life, is soft based off
of my actions and your, like yougot, like you said you got to
work, yeah, you got a, you gotfamily and all these other type
of things.
You got possibility of beingsick, possibility like all these
different type of things.
Like what, if you have a softlife and you get sick, is that
like?
Is your life still soft?
Like what are we saying here,bro?
No, so that mean I think it's asoft mindset which is okay,
(20:20):
okay to have, which may decreaseyour stress and your experience
in the world, because you'renot so attached to so many
different things and you're notso reactive to so many things.
So I think soft mindset is alittle bit more attain, you know
, attainable, than a soft life,or maybe it's just, you know, a
(20:46):
play on words.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Honestly, that's why you a doctor, because that makes
sense, to have come to approachthings with a soft mindset and
then it doesn't.
You don't allow your situationor whatever you're dealing with
to cause you stress.
Or have you caused you to haveanxiety?
Yeah, cause I'd be like dangy'all giving me anxiety.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I say that all the time, yeah because, man, because
at the end of the day, likewe're gonna be born and we're
gonna die, so we're alreadygonna be healthy and we'll get
sick at some point, so there'sno way you can like have a soft
life, like your life is just,you know, all relaxed.
No, bro.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Maybe some days, but not every day, hmm.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
So how do you?
What do you think?
Um, so, who do you think isleading this soft life trend?
I'm going to call it a trend.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Influencers.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Oh, okay.
So they're just showing peoplelike, oh, this is my, my day in
the life.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Like it, my oh okay.
So they're just showing peoplelike oh, this is my day in the
life.
Like it my TikTok algorithm isinsane, but you got girls that
had to be a soft life baddie,like they are.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Oh, that's a thing, so you don't have to lie to me
because I'm not on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I scroll past that mess.
I don't.
So, but I think it's the girlsthat.
And when I say like Influencers, I'm not even just talking
about like the ones that likeBlog or vlog or anything like
that, like the ones that youknow Got, like the OF.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
You know, oh Like, yeah, they can have soft.
Well, they have.
They can have soft like well,they have.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I don't know what they can have, but they're
making their money some way.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Like that's the type of girls that I see, the ones
that, like they, literally don'treally be having clothes on and
stuff that's crazy, and theybroadcast their lives on the
internet every day see, this iswhy I don't really get into like
I, I can't scroll on theinternet like, if I get in, post
, get, get on, I'm getting out.
(22:47):
It's like for real.
But I, what I did is so at thetop of the year last year is
when I actually started gettingback on social media.
You probably saw like what thisis justin yeah, definitely not
my thing, but what it is.
That long hiatus of me not beingon it kept me from being
addicted to it.
So I don't have to go scroll.
Unfortunately I don't have to,and this is not.
(23:09):
It may hurt, like, sound crazy,but I don't really care what
someone else is posting, unlessit's someone that's family.
But in order for me to see it,they're gonna have to say hey,
bro, you know, check my post out, or something like that.
Because I'm gonna be honest,this is this is my routine.
If I go in, I'm gonna postsomething and the first post I
see I like and I get out, Idon't even go go past a second
(23:30):
horrible yeah, but because Idon't want to be consumed by it.
I understand, and I dounderstand like for a man, so
much eye candy out there, somuch there's nothing wrong with
looking yeah, but you can getlike if the algorithm said, hey,
he's looking at this for morethan five seconds I'm gonna send
him more yeah and then I'mgonna fall down that rabbit hole
of like god, you're not.
(23:51):
You gotta get off your phone,gonna die eventually man, look,
you're gonna put it back on thecharge.
Oh man, I saw this girl, let mecheck in on this girl.
I saw like no, I ain't no, I'drather be in the present moment
with someone, especially if itcomes to like dating, like I'd
rather be in the present.
I don't want to be on yoursocial media.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I thought you was healed.
You supposed to be able tocontrol it.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Oh, I can't.
That's why I don't do it.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Nah, you can scroll, you just.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
This is something most people don't know about.
Who is this?
Jay Stone?
Yeah, so this is Dr Gray.
This is Jay Stone.
Listen, dr Gray does not havesweets in his house because he
the discipline.
I have discipline when I don'thave things there.
(24:36):
So if look, I'm like here orthere, like if I have it, it's
gone.
I'm going here or there, likeif I have it, it's gone, I'm
going to indulge.
So I try to like keep thingsaway that I don't think they're
good for me, because Jay Stonedoesn't have self-control with
anything, trust me.
That's why I keep See, look,I'm in a place.
Now where I am, I'm in controlof my demons.
(24:58):
I think everybody has demons.
Everybody has a dark side.
For sure, dr Gray has a darkside and I call him J Stone and
I think I cannot allow him toroam freely, because if he roams
freely, all that work you putin, all that work I put in, but
people will enjoy J Stonebecause he's disrespectful.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, because women don't like to be respected these
days.
Don't like to be respected.
Don't like to be respectedthese days, apparently.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
He's a guy that locks in and like, couldn't care less
about, like your feelings, likewe, you gonna get hurt.
See, you know what I'm saying?
I don't wanna meet him.
That's what I'm saying.
But people, and recently,Somebody does.
Recently Somebody does, recently, I think.
And recently somebody doesrecently, somebody recently, I
think.
I've been tested by a coupledifferent things and I think
(25:47):
it's because people are tryingto see like where is his?
You know, where is his firmgrip?
You know like when is he gonnalike bow up?
I'm like bro, like relax.
If I'm this way, it's for areason.
Yeah, because if I get thatweight, just like I was talking
the other day, I was like youknow, I could speak life, but I
also hurt some feelings.
(26:08):
I can, I can man, I can saysome stuff to hurt people, but I
choose not to.
Yeah, so because, so let mechoose sometimes you have to
somebody, try you oh, they try.
Yeah, that's different, sure.
Um, I've been in a lot of.
I've been in a different indifferent situations in the past
year, where someone's like on10 and I'm like cruising on five
and they come back down to fivebecause they see they're acting
(26:30):
like outrageous and they right,and it's it's.
It's crazy because I realized,like, as long as you can stay on
five, as long as you stay onfive, you should stay there.
Yeah, if they bring you up,then you, you gotta do what you
gotta do but I just said that.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
But a lot of times, like in my old job especially, I
will encounter people and likewhen I was younger working there
because I spent 10 years of mylife there, so I spent my whole
20s there I would encounterpeople and like literally mesh
their energy where, like if theywas on 20, I was on 20 with
them, like we was going back andforth.
But like the last I couldconfidently say, like the last
(27:08):
five years, I literally let thembe on 20 and I be on one and
I'll just be like okay, are youdone?
okay, and then I like,because've grown up so I
realized that, even though it'smore fun to match, your energy
(27:30):
and match your petty like I justkeep it mellow and let you look
crazy, let your blood pressureget up my mind be constant, and
then I'm going to say what Ihave to say, like so I say that,
but I don't know.
I mean it also depends on'mgonna say what I have to say
like so I say that, but I don'tknow.
I mean it also depends On thecircumstance, but I don't know
those people.
Yeah, so why am I gonna getmyself Riled up over whatever?
Speaker 1 (27:50):
You shouldn't, yeah, yeah, I think.
I think a lot of people JustAre have.
They have so many differentthings that they're not happy
with in their lives.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
They just want other people to be the exact same way.
Yeah, want people to bemiserable.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
No, and then they see you just all you know cool,
calm and collected.
They're like huh, why is she socool, calm and collected?
Let me say something and see ifI can get them all riled up.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Sometimes it's so easy.
It's so easy to let, like,whatever situation that you're
going through alter how you actor how you, because I could be a
different person right now.
But I'm telling you like I feel.
So I feel like a huge weightlifted off of me once I left
that place and I don't mean totake it back to there, but I'm
(28:41):
just saying like I could haveused that situation and did some
crazy stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
You know what I'm saying but I didn't, I'm so, I'm
so at peace with that there yougo so I feel like you sometimes
you just can't you gotta fightthat so, jay stone, dr gray jay,
we gotta choose which one youwanna talk to.
Uh, uh, uh, dr.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Gray, thank you you're always present so how,
how do you, how do you?
How do you balance, like, howdo you balance your life?
How do you treat yourself?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
mmm, uh, how do I treat myself?
I find balance by uh, makingtime for myself, um, also being
kind to people as much as I can,keeping my energy and
maintaining a good energy, andjust making time for myself
helps me keep a balance.
I'm gonna say soft life, but Idon't think I have a soft life
you definitely don't have a softlife.
(29:35):
I'm used to like working likeI'm gonna work.
I like to work yeah, you know Iput in work but I practice
intimacy and love with myself,not the physical, but more of
like feeling joy.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Uh, at times I practice joy every single day
you really do and that's what Iwas going to say.
Like you say, you, you, you tryto treat people a certain way
and you get what you give, amen.
So I'm telling you, like I saidit on the first podcast, well,
the first, not the first, thefirst one of the second season
chapter.
Sorry, you don't like seasonsthis the first episode from the
(30:11):
second chapter.
Yeah, you literally be in thegym, so hype yeah even if I'm
sleepy like and I have to wakeup and do some cardio, you'd be
like what's wrong with?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
you?
What's wrong with you?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I just gotta wake up yo, I just gotta wake up, but
like you, be so lit and thenlike eventually it falls on me
and I'm like okay, but no, likeyour, your spirit is very
infectious, so I, yeah, I think,especially in the morning times
.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
But I think it's because, like that, when I
literally said that's my me time, that's me literally honing in
on my joy, my energy and Britain, for some reason it projects
out outward.
People feel it, they see it.
I have people in the gym, oreven not even the gym.
They speak, they look at me,they're like huh and they speak.
You know how many times I'vehad so many people said they,
(30:59):
you look familiar.
And I think what it is is myenergy looks familiar, like they
feel something different and I,because I've really been
thinking about I, said why dopeople?
And then walk in the airport,man, first, let me say this
before I get on top in theairport.
Yo, I walk in the airport and Isee people staring at different
things like that and I thinkobviously could be a few
(31:21):
different reasons.
But you know, I think it'sbecause my energy, my energy is
is, I think I'm, I'm in thatplace where I have a lot of joy
and I can give it.
And, uh, I think people are,are really familiar with it, but
they don't know what it is.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Um, somebody and I think I said this on one part,
somebody said it just feels likefamily, uh, but anyways, I
think, uh, on that note that,bro, do you know how many people
are in the airport?
Every single day it blows mymind, like I've been in the
airport and I've been like whereare all these people going?
Every week I'm in the airport.
Where are all these peoplegoing, bro?
(31:59):
Yeah and I'm like what is?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
going on, you're traveling, you like.
I know it's gonna be dead inthe airport.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Where are all these people going, bro?
Yeah, and I'm like what isgoing on?
You traveling?
Speaker 2 (32:02):
You like.
I know it's going to be dead atthe airport today, Bro.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Nope, where are these people going?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Somewhere, just like you.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
So you want to answer that question, or?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Wait, how do I treat myself?
Yeah, I can't lie.
I used to treat myself bybuying stuff.
That's why I have a lot ofshoes.
And stuff now and a lot ofclothes I don't anymore.
How do I treat myself?
Relax, okay, chill, like Idon't do the most, I don't do
too much.
I'm.
(32:32):
I'm so different now Than whatI used to be and I'm I guess
it's just me growing up and Ijust Focus a lot Now on saving
my money so I can get me a houselike Chrissy Big money.
Because Chrissy got a house.
I want me a house too, okay, butyeah, no, not big money yet
(32:54):
Coming soon.
Yeah, I don't.
I'm not really into thetangible things, either Not
really.
I'm not really into thetangible things, either Not
really.
And I think a lot of peopleRely on people to Get them
things Too, and that's not apart of the question.
But it just made me think aboutthat soft life thing again,
because I feel like a lot ofpeople feel like them having a
(33:17):
soft life.
Is somebody like literallyTaking care of them, buying them
whatever they want?
Yeah, I don't want that BecauseI can get it myself.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Everybody can have a soft life if that's their
definition Like having peoplebuy you everything Because not
everybody is going to beattached to that person.
That is a huge provider.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, that's why you got those sites where you talk
to a stranger and get paid.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Talk to a stranger, you know what I thought about.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
you know if I do need a side hustle I could you know
anyways, but uh, don't do that,dr gray don't do that because
they're gonna hear your name belike oh, he's loaded let's get
it how do you create peace whenlife is chaotic?
We're still talking about life.
So how do you create peace whenlife is chaotic?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
We're still talking about life.
So how do you create peace whenlife is chaotic?
I guess, ooh, go ahead, saythat again.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Well, I posed the question, so you can answer that
.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
What was the question ?
Speaker 2 (34:09):
How do you create peace when life is chaotic?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
How do you create peace when life is chaotic?
Ooh, the calm and the chaos.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
You got to sit your behind down.
No.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
You got to sit your behind down.
No, I think you need topractice both in each let me say
season, each aspect.
So, when there's chaos, youneed to practice peace.
When there's peace, you need topractice chaos.
But to answer your question,how do I practice peace?
Speaker 2 (34:39):
How do you create peace when life is chaotic?
How do I create peace when?
Speaker 1 (34:41):
life is chaotic.
How do I create peace when lifeis chaotic?
I, personally, I'll I'll take astep back from all the chaos,
so I'll try to sidestep somestuff and just create like, um,
you know, um, oh, this isinteresting because this may be
related to you I create like aplaylist.
(35:01):
Every single time things getchaotic, I create a new music
playlist and a lot of the samesongs will be on there.
So don't judge me so.
Three, three of my main songs,um, that I always go back to
when it's chaotic and I need tohone in on the piece is
(35:22):
Dangerously In Love by Beyonce.
That song, right there, she didthat.
That's not the album, the song.
And Lately, by Tyrese, one ofmy favorites and I forgot the
other songs.
Oh, john Legend, not JohnLegend.
James Bay, one of my top artistsRunning I don't know him yeah,
(35:45):
you're not gonna know, james,take a listen one day, uh, maybe
, of his.
So he has an album, ironicallycalled the chaos after the calm,
the calm after chaos, orsomething like that, one of my
favorite albums.
He's literally like he's, youknow, in that album he goes
through a couple songs talkingabout letting go incomplete,
running like finding love, likeit's a lot of different places
(36:07):
he goes, but it's truly chaosand calm and I think, um, that's
how I do it.
I kind of, I find like I likemusic, I think music soothes me,
um, it helps me channel thatjoy and love that I want to feel
in certain moments and I canalways go back to it.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
So I think, for me, I would say through music well,
when I said the question was,how do you create peace when
life is chaotic, I say you gottajust sit down.
You're talking some.
No, no, literally you gottastop moving, because if you
continue moving you're gonnaconsume yourself in the chaos.
(36:44):
Amen, okay, so you, peace bestill like.
You literally just gotta.
That's what I've had to do.
That is why I'm so.
People don't realize thatthat's.
This is what I'm.
I've dealt with is the lastmonth because I'm so chill about
the situation and it was achaotic situation, but I've
approached it.
(37:05):
I've I've done such a differentapproach with it.
Like I'm so chill, I literallylike took three days where I
just said I worked out, I wenthome and I just said I didn't, I
wasn't upset, I wasn't mad oranything like that.
I literally was just chill andI feel like that sometimes
(37:28):
that's what you have to do.
And and then you, you also cango to your outlets of music.
I love music too, of course.
I love music, but I love alltypes of music.
So, whereas those your bigthree, like i'ma have, like yeah
, you probably can't have aclassical music.
No, like my, my, my music on myphone is very, very diverse, so
(37:49):
I love music too.
But I just feel like you justgot to sit down for a second.
Don't let the chaos around youconsume you.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Let it kind of pass you by a little bit.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
So we're talking about flowing huh.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yeah, we're talking about flowing Like that boulder
in the river.
Like that boulder in the river.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Like that boulder in the river.
Like yeah that boulder's thereJust flow right yeah 100%.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
No like let it pass you by Once that it calms down
some.
Then move, pick your move.
Determine what you're going todo.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah, you know, one of my main focuses this year is
Really truly honing in on theebbs and flow of things, of
people, circumstances andeverything.
And what I mean by that is and Ithink I said this briefly in
the first part like things arealways flowing and ebbing, like
sometimes things are flowing inyour direction, sometimes
they're not not yeah but what Irealized even with business,
(38:46):
like even when your efforts inbusiness, you have to know when
to fully lay into the flow andwhen the whole, and take a step
back and just do nothing, Iliterally it took me a while to
really understand it, and when Iunderstood that I'm never
exhausted because I know when togo, what was it?
You gotta know when.
Oh, but no I know when to likeliterally go and I know when
(39:12):
like just to not do anything.
But you'll have people in thoseum moments where you're not
doing anything, hey, when you'regonna do this, hey, you should
do this.
Don't listen to them.
You really need to just feel,and I think that's a part of
understanding god's timing andnot your timing.
Yeah, because you can see.
You can see when people arelike really hitting the wall
when it comes to you, or whenthings are just not working,
(39:35):
it's okay not to force it, tosit in it, okay, cool.
And then that moment is goingto appear when you just got to
run and you run and do not stop.
You can see me do that in thesummer, by the way.
Um, but I'm saying likeliterally, it's ebbs and flow
and I've been like literallyimmersed in that recently, even
(39:55):
with people, some people.
Sometimes they have their daysor their moments, sometimes they
don't, but I'm always in thatmoment Okay, cool, I'm like
Bruce Lee water, be like water,be like water.
Be like water.
Be like water, like seriouslywater takes the form of whatever
it's in or around, but um, Ithink that's important.
If you're going through a lotof chaos, like you said, you're
(40:15):
basically saying it like, justdon't force it sit and just
allow it to flow past you yes,you literally don't, don't
engage, do not engage do notengage, not engage.
Oh, that's a hey, that's a ball.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
I'm telling you, man, I'm learning so many lessons in
2025.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
2025 is your year to learn everything you need to
learn.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Because, baby, what they say, 2026 is my year, okay,
2026 is yours.
No, that's just what the peoplesay.
I have another question for you.
Yeah, people say I have anotherquestion for you.
Yeah, so how you so eloquentlyput it talking to siege, you are
, you, you know.
Shout out to cj.
(40:57):
He's crazy.
You were.
You're open to to love, yeah,so how's that going for you well
?
Speaker 1 (41:07):
I thought it was not a podcast episode.
I mean like not a A loveepisode.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
A relationship.
Well, you said I could askanything, and it just made me
think about that.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Well, I guess I'm not .
This doesn't have to be aboutrelationships.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
That's going well.
So what you're saying is likeam I open to initiating
something myself with a woman?
Am I open to initiatingsomething?
Speaker 2 (41:29):
myself with a woman.
Well, I know that you are, butI was just wondering how it was
going in general, because you'reopen to it.
So like is something going?
Like do you have?
Speaker 1 (41:40):
a prospect.
Ebbs and flow.
I'm just letting things flowand letting things ebb.
He get my nerves.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Do you have a prospect?
Prospects more.
You shouldn't have one rightnow it should be multiples.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Man, that's a lot of competition and you know what?
Speaker 2 (41:57):
my my best friend tells me that all the time she's
like you don't need to just betrying to talk to one person you
need to have options, but I thetype of person that I am, it's
so hard for me to try to talk tomultiple people and just talk
like not, you know, beingintimate or anything like
literally just talk like I can.
(42:19):
But it's very hard and I thinkthat helps too.
Like it helps.
With it you're not likeattached to just one person, I
think that.
that's my issue, you can like,wean out the icky ones.
You can wean those out.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
I think that's my issue, though I think I don't
want to talk to multiple people.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
No, I do not when I say I don't want to that's a lot
of energy.
Yes, look, do you know how manytimes I got to tell you what I
do every day like yo, I gottatell you my career in a past
life J Stone was not a great guy.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
He was not a great guy.
He entertained multiple womenand it's a lot of energy and I
do not want to do that again.
I would never do that again andI think that's why I'm like.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
That's why you like real like, not right now.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Yeah like well, it's not, even not right now.
It's like a more selective,like not right now.
Yeah, like well, it's not, evennot right now.
It's like a more selective,like I know I can sense energy
and I know what energy is morecompatible right now.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
You know, like, who could come in and fit like a
glove at this moment, becauseeach moment I'm evolving,
everybody's evolving, so theremay be another moment where
somebody else is a little bitmore compatible with that moment
.
I think it's important to havesomebody that is not completely
compatible but closely, you know, um conformative to your moment
(43:37):
.
At your end, if you're gonna soyou can build off of that.
Now, if you got somebody that'scompletely like, you know not,
but they're hot and you want totalk to them, or whatever, no it
the issue is it's it could getsomewhere physically, but it
won't get anywhere spirituallyor mentally or emotionally so
that's jay stone.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
If they're hot, jay stone will talk to them.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
But dr great, just because they're hot dr grace, dr
great, so you ever listen tothe song poison, poison, yeah,
so so that song is like, in mymind, three different
perspectives.
And um, you have justin, youhave dr gray and you have jay
(44:21):
stone, jay stone, the guys likeme and the crew used to do a
time me and the crew used to do.
That's funny, that's so funny,yo, but it's crazy because I
karaoke that in the car everytime, but it's funny.
Um, but I think that when ityeah, I'm very weird, but when
it comes to me like, like, Idon't want to entertain multiple
(44:41):
people, so I I like I wouldprefer to make a great decision
which may take a little bit oftime, yeah you know, versus just
like out here just entertainingmultiple people, just being
distracted.
Man, women take a lot of work,especially if they're like you
know men take a lot of work too.
For sure, don't do that yeah, Iwould never disagree with that.
(45:03):
I think everybody takes a lotof work, but when it comes to,
like you know, dating certainwomen, it's, it could be a
handful.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
Certain women that's going to be on your level.
You got to put it all out therebecause you're not just going
to be dating anybody.
You got a PhD.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Okay, let's unpack that, bro, and I wouldn't let
you just date.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
What do you?
Speaker 1 (45:25):
mean, you're a doctor , you know what?
I don't understand that.
You know my one of my academicadvisors.
He literally like, he's uh, hehas a very thick african accent.
He's like justin, you have aphd now, man, you're gonna get
all the girls, the women gonnalove you, he's.
He always says it's so funny,literally I went and saw one day
(45:48):
and he literally calls me inhis office.
He's like, uh, come to theoffice right now.
Oh, like, I'm teaching class.
He's like, hey, I need youright, like, not like an
aggressive tone, but hey, it'san emergency, come to the office
.
I go to his office and I said,hey, what's going on?
He was like he, oh he, it wasthis girl in his office.
Literally it was this girl inhis office and I'm like what's
(46:11):
going?
Like what is going?
And he was like, oh, justin, uh, meet xyz.
I'm like, bro, I'm teachingclass right now.
What is?
Speaker 2 (46:17):
going on for a woman but no, he.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
I guess in his mind he was like, oh, this person
would be great, a great fit,because she's intelligent, blah,
blah, blah, blah.
You know he was he's matter offact, everybody is in my life
now Only matchmaking on 10.
Like Justin, all right, checkthis out.
Oh, justin, look.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
I don't do that.
So you guys, you, can't sayeverybody.
I appreciate you Because Idon't want you doing that to me.
I got you.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Yeah, matchmaking is crazy work.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
No, but it makes sense.
I don't mean to cut you off,but it makes sense.
Like, and this is the crazypart, you got to be careful
because I, I know a littlesomething now.
Okay.
Okay, women want lawyers, theywant doctors.
They don't care if it's aresearch degree, a general, you
know, surgeon, dentist, theywant doctors, they want lawyers.
(47:12):
I say that already.
They want judges.
That that's what they wantbecause they want somebody to
take care of them.
So you gotta be careful, yougotta make sure you find
somebody that's on your level,that's not trying to live a soft
life they're trying to live areal life, okay, okay yeah, so
you have to be careful huh, I, Ikeep that in mind.
Yeah, right, you know what Ijust look look all right all
(47:36):
right do you have any questionsfor me before we wrap up?
Yeah we gotta wrap up.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
I do not have that.
Oh, I do.
Oh, I I do want yourperspective on this.
Do you feel like this is aquestion from one of our
listeners and our past guest,chrissy?
Chrissy, she wanted to knowwhat are your thoughts on
soulmates and do you think youonly have one or multiple?
Speaker 2 (48:05):
What's my thoughts on soulmates?
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Do you believe in soulmates?
Speaker 2 (48:10):
I think I haven't experienced.
I don't think I've experienceda soulmate.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
I probably got a soulmate out there somewhere.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
But I feel like a soulmate.
You can have a friend that's asoulmate too.
Never saw her like that, so ifyou do, then that's multiples,
cause it can be like a.
That's a soulmate too.
So if you do, then that'smultiples, because it can be
like a lover as a soulmate and afriend as a soulmate, like some
people literally have verysolid friendships where they
feel like they are, they areliterally soulmates.
Um yeah, I haven't experienceda soulmate, though, so I don't
(48:48):
really have too much to sayabout that okay, maybe one day,
you know you're healed how youfeel about that.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
Um, I think you know, so my answer would be more
scientific of course, dr gray.
Okay, I'll make it simple, butI'll keep it, like you know,
short.
So I feel like quantum physicsand the conscious, or
consciousness, is correlated ina lot of different ways.
(49:16):
It could be.
You know the science of, orvice versa, I think, at some
point in our life or our, youknow physical life, but our
conscious kind of links up withsomeone else.
You've heard of quantum, quantumentanglement, all right, so
yeah, don't worry about it let'ssay all right, let's just say
(49:38):
that I think and this is justconscious related I think that
two people could be on the samewavelength, literally, right, um
, vibrations and frequencies,whatever you want to call it and
I think that they could beliterally so tethered that they
could be going through somethingsimilar in life in terms of
emotions and experiences, and Ithink that in itself could be a
(50:02):
form of your soulmate.
And when you meet that person,everything, everything, just
like amplifies and you feel itand it's almost like second
nature, like everything that youdo or say is almost like whoa,
like this is familiar and thisfeels good, and you really
amplify each other.
And so I think there's a,there's a instance where there
(50:23):
is a soulmate and I don't knowlike how to describe it yet, but
I think it's definitely relatedto like quantum physics or
quantum entanglement and aconsciousness, right.
I think those two, those twotopics you know immerse or
together can probably explain,can probably explain soulmates a
lot better.
I'm diving into that actually,so that's one of my like moments
(50:45):
where I like to geek out.
I love quantum mechanics,quantum physics, anything
quantum related into thatactually.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
So that's one of my like moments where I like to
geek out I love, yeah, I lovequantum mechanics, quantum
physics, anything quantumrelated.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
That's my, that's my like, uh, like, well, that's my
interest in terms of likescience.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
I love science do you think you've met a soulmate?
Because I feel like you canmeet a soulmate and then y'all
can grow apart yeah, I, I thinkyou could, because I think so.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
Back to that, the example I just placed, like you
guys are like linked up, I thinkthere could be something that
occurs, that that, uh, if we'retalking in terms of wavelengths,
that can kind of amplify onebut, you know, minimize the
other wavelength and you guyskind of get off off track in
that sense, so you're no longervibrating or no longer like
(51:31):
synced up or aligned, and Ithink, truly, when you guys
separate it takes time for bothof those wavelengths to balance
out right.
So I think yes, to answer yourquestion.
I think yes, I think, dependingon like you know the hurt, you
know the emotions involved orthe influences from outer, you
(51:52):
know from external things toeach person, I think that can be
an effect on, can have aneffect on the two soul mates and
they can be ripped apart butstill in each other's like
mindset, conscious, likeliterally.
I think that's the possibilityfor sure, and you know, like you
, you know if you're tethered tosomeone yeah truly, because you
(52:14):
like and you just feel it rightand you can't explain that
feeling.
It's like one of those qualityof things where it's like, uh,
you know, you can't, you don'tknow what, how to describe an
itch.
It's just something you can'texplain.
So, yeah, um, it was a goodquestion, so let's do you have
anything else, that's a goodanswer.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
It shows your wit, dr Gray, I try not to.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
I try to give people Justin because they oh speak.
Nobody wants Dr Gray, everybodyjust.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
I love education, so I love Dr Gray.
Yeah, I can.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
I can go there and I love to geek out if we can geek
out, but, uh, let's wrap thisthing up.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
So, um, any things for our listeners no, y'all just
keep following along, goingalong with the ride.
We're trying to be consistentover here yes, ma'am, she's
keeping us consistent guys.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
Uh like, share, subscribe.
If you have any questions thatyou want to hear us answer on
the pod, send us a messagethrough TikTok or YouTube, which
should be up pretty soon.
We're going to post all thecontent to YouTube.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
Good, bad gray on TikTok.
He's awful.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Alright, let me say that again, it's good, bad, gray
on TikTok and the podcast.
If you're listening, is thegood, the bad and the gray if
you're just listening, and, uh,is the good, the bad and the
gray on all podcast platforms.
So, um, if you don't haveanything else, we, I don't, we
are out.
See you next time, guys bye.
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