May 15, 2025 • 51 mins
The perfectly sculpted physique hiding an inner storm. We've all seen it—that friend who never misses a gym session but can't seem to find peace of mind. In this thoughtful exploration of the "fit but flawed" phenomenon, we unpack the complex relationship between physical fitness and mental wellbeing.
Have you ever considered what happens when you channel negative emotions into your workout? Contrary to popular belief, hitting the gym when you're angry or depressed might actually expand your capacity to hold these emotions rather than release them. We share personal experiences and scientific insights that challenge the common notion of "gym therapy" as a mental health solution.
The statistics are sobering. Studies show that about one in five gym-goers don't experience improved mental health from exercise alone. Even more telling, people who exercise more than three hours daily reported worse mental health than moderate exercisers. Meanwhile, body image issues run rampant in fitness culture—approximately 22% of male and 59% of female fitness instructors struggle with disordered eating habits.
Social media complicates our relationship with fitness further by promoting constantly shifting body ideals. One minute the "hourglass figure" is in, the next everyone's striving to be lean. We discuss how these trends impact self-perception and what it means to develop a healthier approach to physical training.
True wellness comes from balance. Instead of using exercise as an escape from emotional discomfort, consider approaching physical activity as one component of comprehensive self-care. This might mean training at moderate intensity, incorporating adequate rest, and focusing on joy during workouts rather than dwelling on negative emotions.
Ready to build strength that goes beyond your muscles? Follow us on TikTok and YouTube @goodbadgray or find our podcast on all platforms as "The Good, The Bad and The Gray." Your body deserves care—but your mind needs attention too.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the good, the bad and the great podcast,
where we shine a light onwellness, personal growth and
relationships.
Together, we'll discuss highsand lows and the in-betweens,
offering different perspectiveson health and wellness.
Tune in as we peel back thelayers of life, revealing the
good, the bad and the gray.
Yo yo yo yo.
(00:43):
Welcome back to the good, thebad and the gray podcast.
This podcast, this episode.
Welcome back to the Good, theBad and the Gray podcast.
I'm your host, Dr Gray.
Why are you laughing like that,yo?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Dr Gray.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I'm your host, dr Gray, and we have our current
guest.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I'm the resident podcaster.
She's the resident podcaster.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
So you guys will hear her voice.
What is it?
6 am 6.30.
Yeah, early morning I got up atlike 3.45 today.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, you was in the gym behind me.
I was like, oh, I know I'm late.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yo, when I have those moments like I told you, like I
think I said this last partlike literally, like those are
my moments, like I'm like reallypracticing joy, I'm like in
there I'm walking, you mightthink, oh, he's just walking
around, like I'm literally justmoving, you know, and I think
for me it kind of helps me withmy energy and kind of projection
and strengthening that part.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
So, yeah, you were late though, bro, I wasn't that
late, you were late, I got thereat like 4.10.
4.10?
.
You were so lit that I took avideo of you?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yes, sir, I was like.
Look, I was.
So the first part I listened tomy little R&B, my little slow
songs.
You get in there, get in theresinging, you know, and then the
end of it I go to the trap rap,like I go from like James Bay to
Moneybag real quick, real quick, like don't worry about it.
So yeah, I have a question.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yes, what's your favorite day of the week at the
gym Even, and I know you realrandom.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, I'm random.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Because you do full body a lot.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I do full body a lot.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Or you do a lot of like what they call it
calisthenics.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I don't put it in the category.
I'm just different, you know,but no favorite day is monday,
which is oh what.
What favorite workout, oh yeah,so my favorite, my favorite gym
, I like back, you know legs, Ilike back, I like back.
I think back is like a commonfavorite day, uh, but honestly
they're all the same I used tolike legs a lot.
I used to like chest a lot.
I think they're just kind ofall the same.
I used to like legs a lot.
I used to like chest a lot.
I think they're just Kind ofall the same, because I pretty
much Put myself through the sameamount Of torture or training
(02:52):
that I would do For any bodypart, just because I enjoy
Training.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So yeah, what about yours?
I love legs, legs, I love legs.
What girl doesn't love legs,legs, legs, legs.
I like back too.
I'm trying to work on my back,get my back together again, I
think social media kind ofdictates the trend of what
particular body part people like.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Oh, because everybody has a trendy workout.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, they have a trendy exercise.
I like back, I love legs, solet's get that.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Okay, differentiate that.
Amen, amen, all right, allright.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
So what's up with you ?
You good, I'm great we did alife update on me.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
The last time we talked.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
How is everything with you?
How is everything?
Speaker 1 (03:35):
You are a man with a lot of hats, a lot of hats and
man.
To be honest, I've beensearching for and I think I said
this kind of briefly lastpodcast I've been searching for
the word to describe like thisstate.
I can't describe where I'm at,like because it's new, it feels
good, but I'm also in a placewhere, like I said, if an
(03:57):
obstacle or a test comes, like,okay, let's do it.
Like I'm ready, like I can say,a couple years, couple years
ago, a year ago, I've beenthrough, like I went through, uh
, the gauntlet, bro the gauntlet, but I'm good.
Um majestic, under his grace ifyou want to, if you want to if
you want to.
If you want a phrase, I wouldsay that I think I'm grateful
(04:21):
for a lot of things.
I mean, I mean graduation, Imean, honestly, man, like you
know how, like I told you awhile back, like I had to work
on being humble last year.
I was always humble, but Ithink the lesson or you know,
the lesson of being humble lastyear Hit me a lot more Because I
don't know why.
But this year is like, a lot ofthings are like Really hitting,
(04:45):
like credential, wise, likeeverything is hidden and it's
like whoa, you get easy to getthe big head here.
I would not want a son, becausehe would.
He would lose his mind rightnow.
But not in terms of like youknow just everything, like
spiritual, like more connectedthan ever Mental, more connected
(05:09):
than ever mental, more stablethan ever physical.
I've always been like stablethat way and I think this is
going to segue to our podcasttoday is like just because a
person looks fit doesn't makethem super healthy or mentally
healthy, but on every front,emotionally, oh my god.
Stable, like, like.
How can I get to this point?
And that's why I say I can'tdescribe what it is.
I can only describe likecertain parts of it, but I can't
(05:31):
, I don't have a name for it andI'm just sitting back taking it
all in being grateful, beingpresent, which is super
important, like when I'm present, every opportunity presents
itself and I'm capitalizing onevery single opportunity, every
door that's opening, that feelsright running.
I'm running fast through it and, more than anything, I think
(05:53):
you know I don't know, you knowif people focus on calling or
their purpose, but I can feelthe build-up of what I need to
do and this is the first time inmy life that I feel like I know
exactly what to do.
Oh wow, that is what, and it'slike I'm gonna go back to God,
like literally he's said, hey,now I'm gonna do this brief
(06:18):
description now.
I hope it doesn't scare you, butthis year I can honestly say
that I'm a child in his eyesagain.
Like, I literally feel like akid and I think that comes from
me experiencing a lot of thepain and things we have to
endure in life, but also keepinga soft heart Not, you know,
(06:38):
growing in resentment or anger,and heart and heart in my heart
to kind of like, of like, youknow, make people feel a certain
type of way because I'm bitter,because things didn't go my way
or I've been hurt, but it'slike now I feel like that kid
that is holding his parents handand just squeezing as hard as
you can and you're trustingevery single thing that you like
(06:59):
, every single place that he'staking you.
I'm like, okay, like that's whyI say, if any obstacle or test
comes, okay, my hand is grippingyou, like I'm literally holding
tight, but in my eyes I feellike a kid again and a child and
I feel like.
You know that.
You know I'm ready for the task, I'm ready for the this next
(07:19):
chapter of my journey.
So, yeah, that was along-winded but you're.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
You're very long-winded, but it's okay, I
was trying to express.
It's always insightful, yes,it's always, uh, but that you
know um.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
A part of that is going to go into our topic today
.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
You want to bring us in with the topic yeah, so today
we'll be talking about beingfit but flawed, so like when the
gym doesn't really fix yourmind because a lot of people
work out most people work outfor the physical, but you can
also do it for the other thingsthat it does for you, which is
(07:55):
the mental yeah the emotional.
Like you know, the firstepisode.
I was hitting it hard because Iwas trying to you want me to
divert my energy into you.
Know my breakup energy, thebreakup energy.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, never heard it that way.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Crazy way I had to try to move it and put it into
something else.
So I tried to work out a lot,but that's a big one that you
know.
Like I said, a lot of peoplewould work out so they can look
good.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, but it's more to it, so go ahead yeah, well, I
was going to say that, um, youknow, I know you said like you
had your breakup energy and allthese different type of things
when you we talked about firstpodcast.
To be quite honest with you,and this is just my observation,
like what's your observation?
Not of you, just a generalobservation.
(08:48):
Um, so I think what people don'trealize is, when they're in a
gym working out, that you knowhow you feel like, oh man, with
the gym I feel so much better.
It's because you're literallywhatever you're, you know you're
dealing with that day, or youknow in life you go in the gym
and work out and if you havethat same thing on your mind,
you increase your capacity forit.
(09:09):
So listen, if you're depressedand you go in the gym and work
out, you're increasing yourcapacity for depression, so you
have more room for it now, butthat's not a good thing oh wow,
think about it if, if you'reangry, you say I'm gonna take my
stress out in the gym, you'reincreasing your capacity for
more, your your ability to, to,to hold more anger.
(09:31):
Think about it and what I thereason I'm.
I'm this.
I say this is my perspectivebecause I did an experiment, a
little experiment myself, andthat's why I said like, um, what
I did was like I know formyself from the past, I used to
work out a lot of anger.
You couldn't approach me in agym because it was so much anger
and each individual, each,every time I worked out, I would
(09:54):
increase my capacity for it.
But what I realized is when Istarted to work on joy, I
started to increase my capacityfor joy.
When I was feeling joy as I wasworking out, I was like, oh wow
, like you're literally focusedon whatever you're focused on in
any meditative moment becauseyou can technically call the gym
like a movement meditation youincrease your capacity for
something.
And I was like, wow, we areliterally in the gym making it
(10:15):
worse if we're dealing withsomething, because we think this
is the place we go to have moreroom for whatever we're dealing
with.
I don't think it's a great thingto do.
More room for whatever we'redealing with.
I don't think it's a greatthing to do.
I think you know you can eitherhave a lot of capacity for
anger or just have more capacityfor joy.
You just choose.
Most of us choose what?
The ability to deal with moreBS every single day.
(10:37):
But we're not thinking about itlike that.
We're just saying, oh, it feelsbetter because you have more
room for it.
So I think when it comes tofitness, you have a lot of
people that are super fit butmentally they're like really
going through.
I've seen something like thefittest people.
I've seen people so fit andtheir mental is like way left.
(11:03):
You would never even knowbecause they're dealing with so
much stuff and they think like,oh well, my release or my you
know outlet is the gym.
No, you're in the gymincreasing your capacity for
whatever you're, you know upsetabout.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
So yeah, I want to debunk that.
Okay For me personally about so, yeah, I want to debunk that,
okay for me personally, becauseI've as much as I, as often as
I've been hitting the gym whichis this is the most I've been in
the gym in a couple years justbecause of my previous work
schedule.
I don't feel that way, like Ifeel so peaceful feel peaceful
like once I, once I walk in thedoor and wake up, do some cardio
(11:44):
, to wake up real quick, I'mlocked in and I leave the gym
and I don't Whatever was goingon two months ago.
I don't think about that,that's good, but that's me, and
I know that.
What's your observation?
It's more of a generalization.
For a lot of other people, butI'm like the 3% of people that
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don't allow what you're sayingto happen.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
So you're not focusing on that.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Nah, when I lift the weights, I'm going to be like so
you're thinking about joy.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
You're thinking about I don't know if you're thinking
about joy, but you're thinkingabout peace and all these other
different things.
You're not increasing yourcapacity for the other stuff, so
that's good.
So that's good okay okay,that's a very interesting I'm
telling you if you really thinkall right, if you want to rent
it, if you want to run anexperiment.
This is dr gray talking if you,if you want to experiment.
(12:36):
Um, it could be just a basicthought experiment, but you can
use your mind.
Obviously.
You can say, okay, cool, todayI'm just going to think about
the thing that made me theangriest.
I guarantee you you'll see thedifference between your thought
process and how you feelthroughout the day.
Or you go into today.
I'm just like it's kind of likemanifestation which is the
super trend now.
(12:56):
It's like what you think aboutis what you typically put out as
your thoughts become actions,yeah, etc.
So I think we and this is, likeI said, my opinion I think a
lot of times we increase ourcapacity for whatever we're
dealing with, uh, when we'reworking out in jail which is you
know, why do you think thatsomeone can be fit but still
(13:18):
struggle with their mental or um?
so I think it's because you knowa lot of us, we.
So if we're going back to like,uh, addiction, right, we
typically use something for anoutlet.
(13:38):
So it could be like you knowpicking up, picking up weights,
you know strengthening ourselves.
So we're trying to findsomething that makes us feel
better or something that givesus that dopamine spike that
gives us like, ok, cool, thingsare better.
So I think a lot of times,individuals go into the gym and
they get super, super, super fitfor a lot of different reasons.
(13:59):
Like, for example, I knew thisgirl in the gym and she would.
She was small, she was likesuper, I thought she was fit.
I'm pretty sure she.
Well, I don't know what shethought, but but I kept saying
like man, you're doing a lot ofcardio.
Like man, like you're gettinggetting lean.
She's like, yeah, getting lean.
Months later still doing thesame amount, a lot of cardio.
Like I know what a lot ofcardio is.
(14:19):
I've been a coach for years.
I know what a lot of cardio is.
And I sat down and asked her.
I was like man, you do a lot ofcardio.
She was like, yeah, and shekind of broke it down.
She was like when I was in highschool, the guys teased me,
like all the guys in high schoolteased me about being
overweight.
I was like, oh.
So in her mind she's neverforgotten that and that is that
(14:47):
is like at the top of her listevery single day how she felt in
that moment, that they made herfeel like she was, you know,
overweight.
So she, all, she did, all she'sdoing to this day, still to
this day, is and you know, Ithink that's something
individuals have to deal withthemselves but she's increasing
her capacity for, you know,fighting that, that, that
feeling of never going backthere, and it can be unhealthy
(15:07):
Because that means that she'sgoing to do cardio every single
day to make her feel, to havethat feeling right.
Because she never wants to goback there.
So that can be unhealthy too.
So too much of anything can beunhealthy.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
That's true.
I think that when we go to thegym or just working out, trying
to beat with it, even if it'swith your diet because sometimes
you'll just change what you eatto improve your life I think
that we shouldn't count outtherapy because physically we're
(15:43):
working out like our muscles inour body, that our body is a
muscle but our brain is also amuscle and so I don't think that
and people like therapy getssuch a bad stigma.
But it's nothing wrong withtherapy or or just having a.
You have a coach for your body.
You can have like a what theycall a life coach.
(16:05):
Like it doesn't have to be atherapist if you don't want to
take it so far as to therapy.
Like you can get a life coach orand I know it's that it's gonna
cost money and all that but thethe trend that I've been seeing
on tiktok, which is so funny,people are using like chat gpt
as their therapist, like that'scrazy, insane it.
It's insane Really.
Yes, like they'll say theirproblems to chat GPT and then
(16:28):
you know they generate somethingfor them and I guess that works
for them.
Wow man that just shows, howdifferent things are these days.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
You know what People are more and this kind of is to
relate to that.
People are more inclined toexpress their feelings to
something that doesn't respondto them or something that
doesn't, you know have feelings,so they'll.
They will go in the app and sayI'm feeling this way today, but
they'll see you and tell you,tell your whole bold lie, oh I'm
feeling good yeah but they'lltell the app like I'm feeling
(16:58):
sad today.
What do I need to do?
Why is that?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I don't know.
It might be like a, a judgmentthing.
I don't.
You know, like you don't wantto be judged, or a lot of people
that and I'm I don't fall inthis category, but a lot of
people that are, you know,depressed.
They don't want you to knowthat yeah, yeah and it could be
them just not wanting it tofollow.
(17:22):
You like to put you in a funk,or make you question second
guess how you feel aboutyourself or be, influential or
whatever.
They'd rather just put on afacade and make you think that
they're good.
Some people like to suffer insilence or suffer by themselves.
They don't want to drag youinto it.
(17:42):
Go ahead.
No, you got it.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I don't want to drag you into it.
Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
No you got it, you got it and I don't.
I don't see anything wrong withthat, but I hate that because
that's where the, when people,you know, start to unalign
themselves.
And I don't want to take the,the episode there, but I'm just
saying it all goes together.
Like I said, the brain is alsoa muscle, just like our, our
biceps, triceps, quite all thatit all goes together.
And if we're working on ourphysical, we have to also work
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on our mental too.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I agree, I agree.
So there's a study out in theUK and this is kind of related
to our topic.
The study is where is this Allright?
It says about 78% of gym goerssaid working out positively
impacted their mental health,which is great.
But that means like about onein five did not feel better from
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the gym alone.
So that means there's apercentage of people know that
working out is not fixing theirproblems and also, inside that,
70 percent of gym goers.
They probably just don't reallyunderstand themselves and
mentally aren't like aware.
So I want to ask you thisquestion why do you think people
burn more over the physicalaspect instead of the mental
(19:01):
aspect?
So, if you think about it,people are more prone to follow
and like people that look great,but they're not more prone to
follow and like people that have, like you know, a great mindset
or they're speaking likesomething of substance or
something like that.
Why do you think that is?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Maybe because the person that they're drawn to on
the physical, that's what theywant to look like, and you have
to realize that everythingdoesn't like my workout may not
work for you, and you're a coach, so you have to tailor what you
do for other people.
You know you can't do the samething because it might not work
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for everyone.
You got to do a littlesomething different and so maybe
it's because what they see fromthat person is what they want
to see for themselves, whereaswith their mental they're gonna
have to figure out how they canget to that happy place and you
don't really want to do that.
sometimes you don't want to openthat door because you gotta
(20:01):
figure out what happened.
You gotta go to the past tofigure out.
Why are you?
Yes, you gotta go find them,demons.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Open that door because you got to figure out
what happened.
You got to go to the past tofigure out, go and revisit some
demons.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Why are you?
Yes, you got to go find themdemons and cast them out.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
So it sounds like you're saying it's easier to
become more physically fit thanmentally fit.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yes, I think it really is, and I guess I've been
there.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
That's why physical fitness is way more relatable.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yes, and then mental fitness wow, and it's easier to
get to interesting that, thatmental, I think you you gotta
put you.
You can skip the gym physicallyfor a physical outlook.
You don't have to work outevery day yeah but that mental.
You gotta work on your mindevery single day.
The one day that you skip itand fall back into these
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negative thoughts or these badwhatever that could be something
that changes your life, whereas, like I say, I don't want to
take it too dark, but you knowwhat I'm saying.
Like you might make a decisionthat you'll regret.
Like you, you literally have tofocus on your mental every
single day yeah, in a positiveway.
(21:14):
Improve it, try to improve itevery single day, whereas with
your body, your body has to rest.
Have I been resting my body?
Not really, but you're supposedto that brain, that mental, you
gotta work on it Wow.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
So there's another study I want to mention.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
It's such a doctor, phd of you, but go ahead.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Well, it mentioned.
This is super interesting.
It says People that exerciseMore than three hours a day had
worse mental Mental health Thanothers, than those who did not.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Because you gotta be insane To be working out For
more than I used to be thatperson.
So I do wanna.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
I used to be that person.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
That's when I I was I think I was like Just out of
school.
I used to be in the gym Forlike four hours, can't lie.
Get there at six, leave at ten.
Get there at five, leave atnine.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Bro, get there at five.
Yeah, that's a lot, that's toomuch.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
That's a lot.
I was a little bitty, that'show you know you feel I was a
little bitty.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
But, that is, that's a lot.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
I can agree with that .
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I'm going to say something on that, then I'll go
to the next stats and then wecan go on some questions.
But interesting enough.
So during my journey last yearI was doing two a days.
Now I have a couple ofdifferent reasons I was doing
two a days.
One reason is because I, as aman, I went celibate.
I didn't.
I had no interactionsintimately, physically,
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physically intimate.
Well, I was not physicallyintimate with a woman.
So I had a lot of mental power,obviously, yeah.
So my body kept, my mind keptsaying you need to train twice a
day.
So I was literally in the jailtwice a day and it was.
I think it was partly because Ihad a lot of physical energy,
but also it was because and Irealized, and I was trying to
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figure this out it was becausemy I was, I felt like my mom, my
mind was gearing up to try towhen I was trying to align with
my body.
So I think, yes, if you'redoing three hours, that means
you're dealing with somethingmentally for sure.
If you're doing that muchcardio, that much working out,
you're dealing with somethingmentally.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
So I've definitely can relate to that for sure I
want to jump in real quick Ihave done two a days before too,
and it was back in the day, butI would do like.
I would do it like where I doweight training in the morning
and then, come back and docardio.
So every day doing two days?
No yeah occasionally.
So yeah, it was what I'm wrongwith you.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
It's sad in the brain .
Yo, it's okay, I was, I was.
I think it helped me out a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
You can talk about the fact that, like when you can
talk about stuff, that's howyou know you are, even if you're
not 100% here.
Like you get in there, but weknow you here.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Well, no, usually when I'm like dealing with
something I think I've heard alot of people say this, a lot of
you know big speakers whenyou're dealing with something
either when you're super happy,super sad or whatever you need
to take a step back to figureout what's making you that way.
That way you understand and youcan heal a lot better because
you're no longer you're in it,but you still can understand it,
(24:27):
so you know how to adjustyourself or adjust the situation
.
So that's what I was doing.
I was like huh, why am I doingthis?
And I kept realizing, ah, and Iwas getting great sleep at
night.
Oh, I was sleeping really good,like that's.
That's how my um, I was able tokind of get start back getting
up super early because of that.
All right, the next one this isa very interesting study here uh
, last study, before we go intosome more questions, is this is
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about eating disorder.
It says a study in 2015 showedthat 22 percent of males and
about 59 percent of femalefitness instructors had eating
disorders or had eating disorderhabits, which I 100 have seen.
I like when I was a personaltraining director and I was
(25:08):
hiring on trainers, I could seelike the train most of the some
of the trainers had eatingdisorder habits and you still
hired them yeah, so um, I don'tthink you should discriminate
based off somebody's like.
Yeah, no discrimination Rightright, right, I think it was for
them what I saw.
It was more do what I say, notwhat I do for their clients.
(25:31):
Okay okay okay, it wasn't.
Like oh yeah, you know I don'teat, but once, like blah, blah,
blah, I'll do this.
Like yeah, no, it was not.
I've seen, though, like a lotof instructors and coaches that
I've hired, even, honestly, evensome of your famous influencers
are exactly like that.
They have eating disorders oreating disorder habits, and I
(25:51):
think you have to be verycareful when you're seeing these
individuals with these greatbodies, because sometimes it's
genetic, sometimes it'senhancements, other times it's
like.
Sometimes it's enhancements,other times it's like Poor
Healthy habits, physical healthyhabits, and If you have a poor
Physical healthy habit, youprobably have a poor Mental
health habit.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
So I think that that's a very interesting stat
you want to take that one outand the food, the food part,
goes into it as well.
It's very important If you'rereally being sincere about
Wanting to work on your physicaland your mental, because food,
especially the food we eat nowthat can affect your mind too,
(26:29):
so you have to be Cognizant ofwhat You're eating and consuming
too.
Yeah, I think it goes hand inhand.
It all ties together.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
I agree.
There's another study that Iwas reading and it says um
experts estimate about one inten male gym goers may suffer
from muscle dysmorphia,basically a fixation where, no
matter how jacked they get, theyfeel small or never good enough
(27:02):
.
It's not funny, but I've seenlike guys, like man.
One of the things I reallydon't care for in the gym is
when we're talking about thesize of our muscles.
I just never been interested inlike, but some guys do it and I
get it.
But I'm like bro, like I don'twant to talk about like your
back.
(27:22):
I don't want to talk about likehow your pecs, your chest have
gotten.
I don't want to hear that Like,what are we talking about?
But that's just me.
Obviously, some of them like todo that.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
You know what would like kill a man's ego.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
What is that?
Tell him, he got small legs.
Yeah, tell him he's small.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I done, did that before man to man almost cussed
me out.
He was like ooh, I am not small, what you talking?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
about yeah, don't do that, man, man, don't do that
man, that right there.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
It's actually funny if you want to talk about that.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yo, how much, how much'm not owning it a lot but
from what I've I've seen and uh,and the people I've talked to,
(28:13):
I think it's a lot it, itaffects, it affects what body
part is important at the moment.
Very interesting, it's veryinteresting.
Like, at one point, if youthink about, at one point at the
beginning, most girls they were, oh, glutes, glutes, glutes,
glutes, glutes.
Right then they went to back,back, back back, like they're
(28:33):
setting the tone of what'simportant and what people want
to see.
And I think a lot of times thatis definitely unhealthy for
some people, right Mentally,because they're focused on,
they're focusing on looking acertain way, because the trend
is a certain thing, and I don'treally agree with that at all.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I, I have a love hate for social media because you
have to kind of try to wean outthe ones that got the
enhancements and they just doingsomething for content.
Gotta wean those out.
But I, I love it because I cansee the ones that literally they
, they record their entireworkout and you know it's
(29:13):
genuine.
I, I also love so my phone.
I, I have probably like 600different workouts in my phone.
Wow Like there's a folder in myphone that says gym From TikTok
.
It started off with Instagramfirst.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
And then I went to TikTok and so people used to be
like how do you make yourworkouts?
I literally, before TikTok waswhat it was, because I think it
was Musically or somethingbefore it was TikTok, because I
think it was Musically orsomething before it was TikTok,
I would go to Instagram and typein arm workout and just get a
whole bunch of see the differentexercises and be like, okay, I
think I can do this.
(29:49):
This was like earlier in myworkout life.
So that was like seven years agoand I would just make my
workout based off of what I saw,and so I think that that part
of it is helpful.
Now, were they doing the formright?
I wasn't looking at all that, Iwas just looking at the
exercise.
If I didn't really know whatthe name of it was, I'll like
(30:10):
type out the, the movements thatI saw or whatever, but I think
that's the positive side of it.
And then, like now with TikTok,you videos Somebody.
What I don't like is thoselittle workouts, the beginner
workouts.
They be like 15 minutes.
Why y'all steering these folks?
They can't do nothing forthemselves for 15 minutes.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Hold on, hold on For me that's me.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I can't 15 minute workouts.
Hey, Renee Trash.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
So I agree with your initial statement, I think and I
don't take anything for socialmedia because I try not to be on
there but there is a good andbad and obviously I think the
good is it provides individualswith some information that have
that has no that they the onesthat don't have any knowledge
about, uh fitness.
it kind of helps them get astart right yeah but it also can
(30:56):
be toxic in a manner of youidolizing or you, you know,
wanting, you know having afavorite person that you want
the body like or whatever itkind of you know, increases the
body dysmorphia you may have foryourself if you're not like
that particular person.
Now I think that you know thefit.
Like just a statement you madeabout a 15 minute workouts, I
(31:17):
think that's actually not a badthing because it's working with
clients.
In the past I've seen that alot of the clients don't have a
lot of time and honestly, Iwould prefer, if you can get
five or 15 minutes in per day towork out, I'm OK with that.
Five or 15 minutes, I was infive.
So my belief is you know, ittakes about 21 days to build and
(31:42):
break a habit.
I think if someone can go in andbuild a habit of at least five
minutes a day of some physicalmovement, it will increase over
time.
It will increase and thatincrease could lead up to 30
minutes full.
And I think that's what peopleare missing.
They're missing the fact thatyou have to start somewhere.
You can slowly increase it.
That's what the body missing.
They're missing the fact thatyou have to start somewhere, you
can slowly increase it.
(32:02):
That's what the body isactually made for.
You can't just go into thestrongest man couldn't just go
into and start lifting athousand pounds.
No, he had to work his way up.
That's a whole part of training, right?
People look at it in thatparticular way.
So I think a lot of timespeople they frown upon a small
(32:23):
or the short amount of time theyshould be working out well.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I understand your perspective, but for me, in my
opinion, I feel like once yougot out, got out the bed, you
woke up, got out the bed, gotdressed, got in your car, drove
to the gym, got out the car,scan in, you hear let's work
like it don't work.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
You know for a fact.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
It doesn't work that way this is why I'm not a coach,
because they'll be like we'rehere, yeah, let's go everybody's
not a morning person,everybody's not like once I get
to the get off work.
Yeah, I'm not an afternoonworkout person.
I hate it it's a.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
I think it's a lot of like distractions before you
can actually really jump into it, and a lot of people are lazy.
Let's be honest.
Some people just don't want todo it because it's work right.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
It's a difficult thing, but it all depends on the
situation of the person.
I feel like it's perspective,though, because this is some of
the things I've seen on socialmedia that they try to use as
influence, because they'll saywhat is one hour out of your day
Working out?
You ain't work for eight hours,so that's perspective.
Or even 45 minutes.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Like that's nothing and we get 24 hours in a day, 24
.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
What is one to work out?
That's true.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
You know what it is Is a lot of people's mindset is
exaggerated on what they have todo in that hour.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Not like well, listen , If I can't get, if I can't
wake up, it's going to be a badworkout.
I got to get moving first, Getthat heart rate up.
So yes, but sometimes I'm thatperson and I jump girly up and
down.
But, I literally have to walkin that door and wake up a
little bit before I get hypeLike today.
(34:11):
I just had to do like a coupleminutes on the treadmill to wake
up.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
So you know, I do the exact same thing.
Like maybe the first 10,15minutes I try to like I'm like
walk, I'm like, you know, like,say, pacing around, but I'm
doing like random things andthen, and then I hit this like
this high, I'm in it, let's go,don't talk to him, then y'all, I
don't have any conversationbecause he wasn't smiling this
morning I ain't even talking Iwas, I didn't talk to you today.
(34:39):
I was like, yeah, I was in it.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah, if I, I ain't even talking to you today.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
I was like yeah, I was in it.
Yeah, if I don't lock eyes withyou and make eye contact,
probably not going to have aconversation, but I'm not going
to be mean.
If you come up I'm going tolike okay.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Uh-uh, because I don't like people interrupting
me.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
So if I'm in the zone , do not interrupt.
I repeat do not interrupt, nota repeat.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Yes, he was locked in , jay.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Stone is stretching his legs.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Why have we brought him in here?
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Because he's the guy that's don't talk to him type
guy Like he's living.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Now used to.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah, you know reform .
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yes, come on, healed, I'm a reformed individual now.
I'm healed.
But yeah, I guess it's justbecause you are a coach, because
you have to look at things in adifferent way, I have to yeah,
and that's fair, that's good.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
If I don't then I'll.
And I think a lot of coaches ortrainers kind of feel this.
They won't.
They're so biased in what theythink and how they went about
their journey that they don'tunderstand their client's
journey.
And their clients end upquitting easy.
So, yeah, yeah, journey thatthey don't understand, their
(35:52):
clients journey and theirclients end up quitting easy.
So, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right.
So this next piece.
I did want to ask all right.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
So just in, in terms of what?
Speaker 1 (36:02):
we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
What's the difference between?
Speaker 1 (36:04):
gym therapy, or the myth is oh so um.
One of the the main things youhear people say is that the gym
is cheaper than therapy.
The gym is my therapy okay,okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Well, I mean, those are, that's true, but why does
it what?
It is not true.
That's true that it is that thegym is cheaper than therapy,
that's true, but it's just aplaceholder, like you.
Like I said, we can't count outthe, the mental part.
You, you, if, if you're mycoach yeah, I need to have a
(36:35):
life coach or I need to have atherapist too.
Agreed, like you, can't countthat out and I just feel like
the gym is only going to do somuch for you and, like you said,
it's just going to create spacefor you to be able to increase
that capacity increase thedepression, increase the anger,
increase the peace.
For me, you know what I'm sayingand I I've.
(36:55):
I just beat the statisticsbecause I've just literally, I
think being around you morebecause it's the most we've
conversed in a very long time.
Think being around you morebecause it's the most we've
conversed in a very long time.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Like being around you more.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I'm like, bro, what I'm being upset for Right.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
You know, when we talk about soft life, I've been
having a soft mindset for awhile now.
I love a soft mindset.
Why am I like I'm not chippingover that small stuff?
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Like, why am I this video on TikTok a couple days
ago the lady was like take threedays, don't complain about
anything, don't get upset aboutit, just don't complain.
And I'm trying to think have Icomplained?
If I gotta think about it,maybe I haven't.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I don't think I've complained about anything in a
long time, like even if itdidn't go my way nah, cause I
was late and you wasn't inthat's crazy.
I'm just.
You just blew my mind like whoa.
What if the last time Icomplained about something and
really if I wasn't joking like Ireally wasn't complaining, but
you like, I like how you brokethat down in terms of, like you
know, it could be in a sensewhat you're saying, it could be
(37:58):
a momentary relief the gym um,but at the end of the day, the
root cause of your issue you'renot dealing with.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
No, and you can't compartmentalize.
As important as it is to not beout of shape, to eat healthy or
eat fairly healthy or eat clean.
Your mental is it?
It all goes together.
Your brain controls everythingand you have to make sure that
(38:27):
you work that most.
Hell go talk to a cat go talkto a dog.
Cats out here in these streetsI'm not, I'm just saying talk
you.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
You gotta, you gotta find a way to release yeah I
agree, um, what do you so, basedoff of that, do you have a
story that you can relate tothat, like I?
I think, but I'll just say minequickly.
Personally, when I was dealingwith something I used to gym I
used to use the gym a lot butand I started to realize like it
(38:55):
wasn't helping the issue, butit was making me feel better
because I said it.
It kind of gives you thatmomentary release and I realized
that you have to do the mentalwork yourself, and I think
that's what you're alluding to.
Like you really have to sitdown and focus on your mental
like whether that's not workingout, but what it is.
A lot of people don't know howto sit.
(39:16):
Still, a lot of people like tobe like bored by themselves or
they call it boring Likesometimes it's just you Having
some time with yourself tounderstand you, to figure out,
like I said in the beginning,what, in a particular situation,
is making you feel a certainway, what's making you feel
happy, what's making you feelsad, what's making you feel
angry.
Once you identify those thingsand you remove it, then you
(39:37):
understand the circumstance andthen you understand your
feelings and emotions In thosesituations.
I think we miss out on that alot.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I don't see anything wrong with spending time by
yourself, and a lot of peopledon't like to be alone.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Man.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
And it's not even like a single it's a single.
No, like I'm saying, it doesn'teven have anything.
Even in a relationship you needto, or marry, you need to have
that time of when you toyourself.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
A break.
You need a break that?
Speaker 2 (40:06):
could that helps to you.
You can't cling into somebodyand I'm clingy.
I love if I'm in a relationship.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I love being around my person but I gotta have my
space too you be in the rightpocket no, no, not that much.
But you got to have your spacetoo.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
That's healthy it is Health.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah, space is 100% healthy.
Yes, do you have anything elseon that topic?
Speaker 2 (40:30):
What specifically?
Speaker 1 (40:31):
The gym.
Well the fit, but flawed topic.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Oh, fit but flawed.
I mean I think that even you,being a coach, you, as healed as
you are, you have your flaws,absolutely.
And we're going to becausewe're human.
We're not perfect.
So I mean I don't think thatanyone is unflout, but I do
(41:01):
think that people really have torealize that that just get on
board with the fact that thatbrain, that mind.
If your mind not right, nothingis going to be right.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yeah, I think kind of like what you're saying is it's
important to have a stronginside just as well as a strong
outside.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
It all ties together.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
So if you're working on your physical, working on
feeling, you know those feelingsof peace, joy or whatever you
or whatever you want to call it,then that's good.
So don't run away from that anddon't use the gym as your
therapy outlet.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
I said that in the first episode.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
So we got a little time left.
How much, how much do you risk.
Me yeah, at least I try to rest.
I try to rest at least a day ortwo, depending on.
So here's the thing I don'tlike my workouts are not like
they look intense but they'renot that intense.
It's because I'm just moving.
(42:13):
Now, so what I mean byintensity.
If we're putting intensity on ascale or a percentage, I'm just
moving now.
So what I mean by intensity.
If we're putting intensity on ascale or a percentage, I'm
probably going like 70 percentevery single time and that's it
and that's sustainable for me.
I'm not going 90 percent, I'mnot trying to push myself to the
limit, because I have no reasonto do that.
So I can go about 70 percent ofthe time.
(42:33):
If I can go 60 to 70 percent ofthe time, I can technically
work out every single daywithout being burnt out, without
being exhausted.
So I think for me it's allabout staying in that realm of
60 to 70% and I and Iessentially just intuitively
know how to train.
So I don't like go in the gym.
I gotta hit chest today.
I gotta exhaust.
No, bro, like no, nobody gottime for that.
(42:55):
That's why you're injured now,bro, you know what I mean.
Like for me, 60 to 70 percent inthe gym movements, and I always
focus on functional movement,because who wants to be freaking
?
You know 80 plus or 60 plus andcan't move right.
So I think functionality isimportant, um, because you never
know.
Um, I think it's alwaysimportant to kind of like, make
(43:17):
sure that you're engagingyourself, unless if you're in
some form of a competition, dowhat you got to do, if not
60-70%, every single day.
I guarantee you that you won'tfeel burned out and you won't
either despise or you won't feeladdicted to the gym because you
feel like it's not the placeyou're going for therapy.
(43:39):
It's more of like a routine foryou and it's a healthy routine
if you don't rely on it as much.
I think a lot of people rely onit because they go super hard
and they're trying to, you know,be here, be there and be this
and be that, and they kind of,like you know, make it a toxic
thing.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
I think rest is important, but I know me so I
try to just do active recovery.
So if I'm even if I'm tired.
Like matter of fact, it threwmy whole week off because monday
I was sleepy, so I just did 40minutes of cardio okay and I try
to usually do may wednesday, myactive recovery day, but I was
like I'm here, let me just hitthis cardio and then I'm going
(44:22):
to go back home and go to sleep.
I saw you Monday and I was likea little grumpy.
But I was sleepy, you weregrumpy.
I was like, look if I sleep,step back for a little minute.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Let me wake up, get out of her way, bro, we're not.
We're not Tired, no.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Cause I love my wrist .
But yeah, so I.
I know that I should likeLiterally have those days when I
don't do anything but NTPtrying to like Close her rings.
Yeah, every day, oh, you wanna.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
You wanna talk about that?
Speaker 2 (44:49):
I Listen.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
How Apple has made it Addicting to Close your rings
and to work out.
Try to make sure I close andthen it bugs you when you don't
hit.
Oh hey, did you know you're not?
Speaker 2 (44:59):
you didn't meet your you just gotta walk in place for
30 seconds that's unhealthy buthold on, I get it so like it's.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
I think when it comes to fitness, there's some good
and there's some bad, andthere's some great and some
great for sure some great greatyeah, pun intended.
Good, bad, great, yes, uh, butI think, um, especially with the
apple watch and I we didn'teven get into this, but a lot of
times it can.
It could promote healthy habits, but also promote unhealthy
(45:27):
habits, depending on how muchyou rely on it.
Do you know like?
I feel like I can't work out ifI don't have my apple watch?
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Yes, I know, but you don't have it on now, so you
only wear Apple Watch when youwork out.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
I've started to well, because now I'm into watches,
because I got to be on my grownman In corporate America, in
corporate America every minute?
absolutely not, girl I'm notgoing to be in a meeting.
We're in a professional meetingand no bro Like nah bro, hey
(46:01):
look, your watch says a lotabout you.
Anyways, this is not acommercial for watches, by the
way, but yes, I think it'simportant and I think the Apple
Watch for me is kind of like OK,I'm taking a break from fitness
.
When I take my Apple Watch off,I'm not thinking about working
(46:22):
out, I'm not thinking aboutclosing rings, because I think
it's a healthy balance.
But when I have it on, I'malways looking at it and you get
updates from everybody like ohman, first, such such close
their ring, then it getscompetitive.
Competition is good.
However, I think when it getsto the point to where it's
unhealthy, you have to take abreak.
So, to keep things balanced, Iwear my Apple Watch when I'm in
the gym.
(46:42):
When I'm not in the gym, I takeit off.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Wow yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
I'm talking about like.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
I'm trying to close my ring.
So that's why, even on the dayswhere I probably should sleep
in, because I've been saying,man, I just need a day where I
just don't move, where I justdon't do it, because I crank my
car up every single day and Isay I need a day where I don't
do anything but I still end updoing something, I just feel
like it's I don't see anythingwrong with it.
(47:09):
We got to walk, got to moveanyway, yeah, so if I take a
break from lifting weights, thenI think that's that's good
enough, is it?
I know, I know I eventually I'mgonna take me a little day
where I literally don't doanything and I'll get to that
point where I, you know, take myupper watch off, but not right
(47:30):
now yeah well, I mean, you knowit's, it's a, it's a, it's a
process getting there.
I have a question why do youthink?
Why do you think?
I guess it just has to do withsociety, but like a lot of it
started out like everybodywanted this hourglass, like want
to be thick, but now everybodywant to be skinny.
(47:50):
Like where that come from.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
It's a trend.
It depends on what society isdeeming acceptable at the moment
, like, even with it's just likeclothes and I hate to say it,
like you know, one minute, likethe camel craze, one minute,
camel was in.
The next minute camel wasn't in.
Like, what are we doing Like?
What are we doing Like?
So I think it's all about thetrend.
(48:14):
So I think it's all about thetrend and the trend.
Unfortunately, social mediacontrols society and because the
youth are completely immersedin it and adults can't help but
just be affected by it, I thinkthat sucks.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
I agree.
Who wants to be skinny?
I want muscles.
Do you have anything else?
That's it.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
That's all I had.
Yeah, thank you guys for Forlistening in.
You got anything you want tosay to the listeners.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
No, just Hit the gym, but make sure you Work on your,
your mental too, and don't letPeople that you see Don't Don't
be so influenced by what you seeOn social media.
Or even at the gym.
I will say when I work out, ifI see somebody doing something,
sometimes I'll be like okay,okay, and I'll write it down and
(49:06):
.
I'll do it and see what it doesfor me, or because of the
culture that we have at our gym,and going to the gym is like
going to school you see the samepeople.
Depending on what time you goschool, you see the same people
depending on what time you go.
You see the same people everyday.
So I'll be like, hey, can I,can?
I try that yeah and I'll do it,and if I like it, I'll
incorporate it.
So don't, but don't, don't beso influenced by what you see
(49:32):
that you like.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Oh, I'm gonna do everything that they're doing so
I can look like don't, don't belike that yeah, um, I think
I'll say just you know, focus onyour mental a little bit more
and prioritize it more thanyou're prioritizing your
physical.
I think wherever your mind go,your body will follow.
(49:53):
So if you are going to get, bea more peaceful and joyful
person, you know, I think yourbody will follow that as well.
So just just focus on that andwhatever that is for you
mentally, do it and trust thatyour body would, would you know,
conform to that I like that wayof my.
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Welcome to the good, the bad and the great podcast,
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Together, we'll discuss highsand lows and the in-betweens,
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Welcome back to the good, thebad and the gray podcast.
This podcast, this episode.
Welcome back to the Good, theBad and the Gray podcast.
I'm your host, Dr Gray.
Why are you laughing like that,yo?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Dr Gray.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I'm your host, dr Gray, and we have our current
guest.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I'm the resident podcaster.
She's the resident podcaster.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
So you guys will hear her voice.
What is it?
6 am 6.30.
Yeah, early morning I got up atlike 3.45 today.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, you was in the gym behind me.
I was like, oh, I know I'm late.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yo, when I have those moments like I told you, like I
think I said this last partlike literally, like those are
my moments, like I'm like reallypracticing joy, I'm like in
there I'm walking, you mightthink, oh, he's just walking
around, like I'm literally justmoving, you know, and I think
for me it kind of helps me withmy energy and kind of projection
and strengthening that part.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
So, yeah, you were late though, bro, I wasn't that
late, you were late, I got thereat like 4.10.
4.10?
.
You were so lit that I took avideo of you?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yes, sir, I was like.
Look, I was.
So the first part I listened tomy little R&B, my little slow
songs.
You get in there, get in theresinging, you know, and then the
end of it I go to the trap rap,like I go from like James Bay to
Moneybag real quick, real quick, like don't worry about it.
So yeah, I have a question.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yes, what's your favorite day of the week at the
gym Even, and I know you realrandom.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, I'm random.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Because you do full body a lot.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I do full body a lot.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Or you do a lot of like what they call it
calisthenics.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I don't put it in the category.
I'm just different, you know,but no favorite day is monday,
which is oh what.
What favorite workout, oh yeah,so my favorite, my favorite gym
, I like back, you know legs, Ilike back, I like back.
I think back is like a commonfavorite day, uh, but honestly
they're all the same I used tolike legs a lot.
I used to like chest a lot.
I think they're just kind ofall the same.
I used to like legs a lot.
I used to like chest a lot.
I think they're just Kind ofall the same, because I pretty
much Put myself through the sameamount Of torture or training
(02:52):
that I would do For any bodypart, just because I enjoy
Training.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So yeah, what about yours?
I love legs, legs, I love legs.
What girl doesn't love legs,legs, legs, legs.
I like back too.
I'm trying to work on my back,get my back together again, I
think social media kind ofdictates the trend of what
particular body part people like.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Oh, because everybody has a trendy workout.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, they have a trendy exercise.
I like back, I love legs, solet's get that.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Okay, differentiate that.
Amen, amen, all right, allright.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
So what's up with you ?
You good, I'm great we did alife update on me.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
The last time we talked.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
How is everything with you?
How is everything?
Speaker 1 (03:35):
You are a man with a lot of hats, a lot of hats and
man.
To be honest, I've beensearching for and I think I said
this kind of briefly lastpodcast I've been searching for
the word to describe like thisstate.
I can't describe where I'm at,like because it's new, it feels
good, but I'm also in a placewhere, like I said, if an
(03:57):
obstacle or a test comes, like,okay, let's do it.
Like I'm ready, like I can say,a couple years, couple years
ago, a year ago, I've beenthrough, like I went through, uh
, the gauntlet, bro the gauntlet, but I'm good.
Um majestic, under his grace ifyou want to, if you want to if
you want to.
If you want a phrase, I wouldsay that I think I'm grateful
(04:21):
for a lot of things.
I mean, I mean graduation, Imean, honestly, man, like you
know how, like I told you awhile back, like I had to work
on being humble last year.
I was always humble, but Ithink the lesson or you know,
the lesson of being humble lastyear Hit me a lot more Because I
don't know why.
But this year is like, a lot ofthings are like Really hitting,
(04:45):
like credential, wise, likeeverything is hidden and it's
like whoa, you get easy to getthe big head here.
I would not want a son, becausehe would.
He would lose his mind rightnow.
But not in terms of like youknow just everything, like
spiritual, like more connectedthan ever Mental, more connected
(05:09):
than ever mental, more stablethan ever physical.
I've always been like stablethat way and I think this is
going to segue to our podcasttoday is like just because a
person looks fit doesn't makethem super healthy or mentally
healthy, but on every front,emotionally, oh my god.
Stable, like, like.
How can I get to this point?
And that's why I say I can'tdescribe what it is.
I can only describe likecertain parts of it, but I can't
(05:31):
, I don't have a name for it andI'm just sitting back taking it
all in being grateful, beingpresent, which is super
important, like when I'm present, every opportunity presents
itself and I'm capitalizing onevery single opportunity, every
door that's opening, that feelsright running.
I'm running fast through it and, more than anything, I think
(05:53):
you know I don't know, you knowif people focus on calling or
their purpose, but I can feelthe build-up of what I need to
do and this is the first time inmy life that I feel like I know
exactly what to do.
Oh wow, that is what, and it'slike I'm gonna go back to God,
like literally he's said, hey,now I'm gonna do this brief
(06:18):
description now.
I hope it doesn't scare you, butthis year I can honestly say
that I'm a child in his eyesagain.
Like, I literally feel like akid and I think that comes from
me experiencing a lot of thepain and things we have to
endure in life, but also keepinga soft heart Not, you know,
(06:38):
growing in resentment or anger,and heart and heart in my heart
to kind of like, of like, youknow, make people feel a certain
type of way because I'm bitter,because things didn't go my way
or I've been hurt, but it'slike now I feel like that kid
that is holding his parents handand just squeezing as hard as
you can and you're trustingevery single thing that you like
(06:59):
, every single place that he'staking you.
I'm like, okay, like that's whyI say, if any obstacle or test
comes, okay, my hand is grippingyou, like I'm literally holding
tight, but in my eyes I feellike a kid again and a child and
I feel like.
You know that.
You know I'm ready for the task, I'm ready for the this next
(07:19):
chapter of my journey.
So, yeah, that was along-winded but you're.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
You're very long-winded, but it's okay, I
was trying to express.
It's always insightful, yes,it's always, uh, but that you
know um.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
A part of that is going to go into our topic today
.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
You want to bring us in with the topic yeah, so today
we'll be talking about beingfit but flawed, so like when the
gym doesn't really fix yourmind because a lot of people
work out most people work outfor the physical, but you can
also do it for the other thingsthat it does for you, which is
(07:55):
the mental yeah the emotional.
Like you know, the firstepisode.
I was hitting it hard because Iwas trying to you want me to
divert my energy into you.
Know my breakup energy, thebreakup energy.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, never heard it that way.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Crazy way I had to try to move it and put it into
something else.
So I tried to work out a lot,but that's a big one that you
know.
Like I said, a lot of peoplewould work out so they can look
good.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, but it's more to it, so go ahead yeah, well, I
was going to say that, um, youknow, I know you said like you
had your breakup energy and allthese different type of things
when you we talked about firstpodcast.
To be quite honest with you,and this is just my observation,
like what's your observation?
Not of you, just a generalobservation.
(08:48):
Um, so I think what people don'trealize is, when they're in a
gym working out, that you knowhow you feel like, oh man, with
the gym I feel so much better.
It's because you're literallywhatever you're, you know you're
dealing with that day, or youknow in life you go in the gym
and work out and if you havethat same thing on your mind,
you increase your capacity forit.
(09:09):
So listen, if you're depressedand you go in the gym and work
out, you're increasing yourcapacity for depression, so you
have more room for it now, butthat's not a good thing oh wow,
think about it if, if you'reangry, you say I'm gonna take my
stress out in the gym, you'reincreasing your capacity for
more, your your ability to, to,to hold more anger.
(09:31):
Think about it and what I thereason I'm.
I'm this.
I say this is my perspectivebecause I did an experiment, a
little experiment myself, andthat's why I said like, um, what
I did was like I know formyself from the past, I used to
work out a lot of anger.
You couldn't approach me in agym because it was so much anger
and each individual, each,every time I worked out, I would
(09:54):
increase my capacity for it.
But what I realized is when Istarted to work on joy, I
started to increase my capacityfor joy.
When I was feeling joy as I wasworking out, I was like, oh wow
, like you're literally focusedon whatever you're focused on in
any meditative moment becauseyou can technically call the gym
like a movement meditation youincrease your capacity for
something.
And I was like, wow, we areliterally in the gym making it
(10:15):
worse if we're dealing withsomething, because we think this
is the place we go to have moreroom for whatever we're dealing
with.
I don't think it's a great thingto do.
More room for whatever we'redealing with.
I don't think it's a greatthing to do.
I think you know you can eitherhave a lot of capacity for
anger or just have more capacityfor joy.
You just choose.
Most of us choose what?
The ability to deal with moreBS every single day.
(10:37):
But we're not thinking about itlike that.
We're just saying, oh, it feelsbetter because you have more
room for it.
So I think when it comes tofitness, you have a lot of
people that are super fit butmentally they're like really
going through.
I've seen something like thefittest people.
I've seen people so fit andtheir mental is like way left.
(11:03):
You would never even knowbecause they're dealing with so
much stuff and they think like,oh well, my release or my you
know outlet is the gym.
No, you're in the gymincreasing your capacity for
whatever you're, you know upsetabout.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
So yeah, I want to debunk that.
Okay For me personally about so, yeah, I want to debunk that,
okay for me personally, becauseI've as much as I, as often as
I've been hitting the gym whichis this is the most I've been in
the gym in a couple years justbecause of my previous work
schedule.
I don't feel that way, like Ifeel so peaceful feel peaceful
like once I, once I walk in thedoor and wake up, do some cardio
(11:44):
, to wake up real quick, I'mlocked in and I leave the gym
and I don't Whatever was goingon two months ago.
I don't think about that,that's good, but that's me, and
I know that.
What's your observation?
It's more of a generalization.
For a lot of other people, butI'm like the 3% of people that
(12:07):
don't allow what you're sayingto happen.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
So you're not focusing on that.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Nah, when I lift the weights, I'm going to be like so
you're thinking about joy.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
You're thinking about I don't know if you're thinking
about joy, but you're thinkingabout peace and all these other
different things.
You're not increasing yourcapacity for the other stuff, so
that's good.
So that's good okay okay,that's a very interesting I'm
telling you if you really thinkall right, if you want to rent
it, if you want to run anexperiment.
This is dr gray talking if you,if you want to experiment.
(12:36):
Um, it could be just a basicthought experiment, but you can
use your mind.
Obviously.
You can say, okay, cool, todayI'm just going to think about
the thing that made me theangriest.
I guarantee you you'll see thedifference between your thought
process and how you feelthroughout the day.
Or you go into today.
I'm just like it's kind of likemanifestation which is the
super trend now.
(12:56):
It's like what you think aboutis what you typically put out as
your thoughts become actions,yeah, etc.
So I think we and this is, likeI said, my opinion I think a
lot of times we increase ourcapacity for whatever we're
dealing with, uh, when we'reworking out in jail which is you
know, why do you think thatsomeone can be fit but still
(13:18):
struggle with their mental or um?
so I think it's because you knowa lot of us, we.
So if we're going back to like,uh, addiction, right, we
typically use something for anoutlet.
(13:38):
So it could be like you knowpicking up, picking up weights,
you know strengthening ourselves.
So we're trying to findsomething that makes us feel
better or something that givesus that dopamine spike that
gives us like, ok, cool, thingsare better.
So I think a lot of times,individuals go into the gym and
they get super, super, super fitfor a lot of different reasons.
(13:59):
Like, for example, I knew thisgirl in the gym and she would.
She was small, she was likesuper, I thought she was fit.
I'm pretty sure she.
Well, I don't know what shethought, but but I kept saying
like man, you're doing a lot ofcardio.
Like man, like you're gettinggetting lean.
She's like, yeah, getting lean.
Months later still doing thesame amount, a lot of cardio.
Like I know what a lot ofcardio is.
(14:19):
I've been a coach for years.
I know what a lot of cardio is.
And I sat down and asked her.
I was like man, you do a lot ofcardio.
She was like, yeah, and shekind of broke it down.
She was like when I was in highschool, the guys teased me,
like all the guys in high schoolteased me about being
overweight.
I was like, oh.
So in her mind she's neverforgotten that and that is that
(14:47):
is like at the top of her listevery single day how she felt in
that moment, that they made herfeel like she was, you know,
overweight.
So she, all, she did, all she'sdoing to this day, still to
this day, is and you know, Ithink that's something
individuals have to deal withthemselves but she's increasing
her capacity for, you know,fighting that, that, that
feeling of never going backthere, and it can be unhealthy
(15:07):
Because that means that she'sgoing to do cardio every single
day to make her feel, to havethat feeling right.
Because she never wants to goback there.
So that can be unhealthy too.
So too much of anything can beunhealthy.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
That's true.
I think that when we go to thegym or just working out, trying
to beat with it, even if it'swith your diet because sometimes
you'll just change what you eatto improve your life I think
that we shouldn't count outtherapy because physically we're
(15:43):
working out like our muscles inour body, that our body is a
muscle but our brain is also amuscle and so I don't think that
and people like therapy getssuch a bad stigma.
But it's nothing wrong withtherapy or or just having a.
You have a coach for your body.
You can have like a what theycall a life coach.
(16:05):
Like it doesn't have to be atherapist if you don't want to
take it so far as to therapy.
Like you can get a life coach orand I know it's that it's gonna
cost money and all that but thethe trend that I've been seeing
on tiktok, which is so funny,people are using like chat gpt
as their therapist, like that'scrazy, insane it.
It's insane Really.
Yes, like they'll say theirproblems to chat GPT and then
(16:28):
you know they generate somethingfor them and I guess that works
for them.
Wow man that just shows, howdifferent things are these days.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
You know what People are more and this kind of is to
relate to that.
People are more inclined toexpress their feelings to
something that doesn't respondto them or something that
doesn't, you know have feelings,so they'll.
They will go in the app and sayI'm feeling this way today, but
they'll see you and tell you,tell your whole bold lie, oh I'm
feeling good yeah but they'lltell the app like I'm feeling
(16:58):
sad today.
What do I need to do?
Why is that?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I don't know.
It might be like a, a judgmentthing.
I don't.
You know, like you don't wantto be judged, or a lot of people
that and I'm I don't fall inthis category, but a lot of
people that are, you know,depressed.
They don't want you to knowthat yeah, yeah and it could be
them just not wanting it tofollow.
(17:22):
You like to put you in a funk,or make you question second
guess how you feel aboutyourself or be, influential or
whatever.
They'd rather just put on afacade and make you think that
they're good.
Some people like to suffer insilence or suffer by themselves.
They don't want to drag youinto it.
(17:42):
Go ahead.
No, you got it.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I don't want to drag you into it.
Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
No you got it, you got it and I don't.
I don't see anything wrong withthat, but I hate that because
that's where the, when people,you know, start to unalign
themselves.
And I don't want to take the,the episode there, but I'm just
saying it all goes together.
Like I said, the brain is alsoa muscle, just like our, our
biceps, triceps, quite all thatit all goes together.
And if we're working on ourphysical, we have to also work
(18:09):
on our mental too.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I agree, I agree.
So there's a study out in theUK and this is kind of related
to our topic.
The study is where is this Allright?
It says about 78% of gym goerssaid working out positively
impacted their mental health,which is great.
But that means like about onein five did not feel better from
(18:35):
the gym alone.
So that means there's apercentage of people know that
working out is not fixing theirproblems and also, inside that,
70 percent of gym goers.
They probably just don't reallyunderstand themselves and
mentally aren't like aware.
So I want to ask you thisquestion why do you think people
burn more over the physicalaspect instead of the mental
(19:01):
aspect?
So, if you think about it,people are more prone to follow
and like people that look great,but they're not more prone to
follow and like people that have, like you know, a great mindset
or they're speaking likesomething of substance or
something like that.
Why do you think that is?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Maybe because the person that they're drawn to on
the physical, that's what theywant to look like, and you have
to realize that everythingdoesn't like my workout may not
work for you, and you're a coach, so you have to tailor what you
do for other people.
You know you can't do the samething because it might not work
(19:40):
for everyone.
You got to do a littlesomething different and so maybe
it's because what they see fromthat person is what they want
to see for themselves, whereaswith their mental they're gonna
have to figure out how they canget to that happy place and you
don't really want to do that.
sometimes you don't want to openthat door because you gotta
(20:01):
figure out what happened.
You gotta go to the past tofigure out.
Why are you?
Yes, you gotta go find them,demons.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Open that door because you got to figure out
what happened.
You got to go to the past tofigure out, go and revisit some
demons.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Why are you?
Yes, you got to go find themdemons and cast them out.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
So it sounds like you're saying it's easier to
become more physically fit thanmentally fit.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yes, I think it really is, and I guess I've been
there.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
That's why physical fitness is way more relatable.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yes, and then mental fitness wow, and it's easier to
get to interesting that, thatmental, I think you you gotta
put you.
You can skip the gym physicallyfor a physical outlook.
You don't have to work outevery day yeah but that mental.
You gotta work on your mindevery single day.
The one day that you skip itand fall back into these
(20:51):
negative thoughts or these badwhatever that could be something
that changes your life, whereas, like I say, I don't want to
take it too dark, but you knowwhat I'm saying.
Like you might make a decisionthat you'll regret.
Like you, you literally have tofocus on your mental every
single day yeah, in a positiveway.
(21:14):
Improve it, try to improve itevery single day, whereas with
your body, your body has to rest.
Have I been resting my body?
Not really, but you're supposedto that brain, that mental, you
gotta work on it Wow.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
So there's another study I want to mention.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
It's such a doctor, phd of you, but go ahead.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Well, it mentioned.
This is super interesting.
It says People that exerciseMore than three hours a day had
worse mental Mental health Thanothers, than those who did not.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Because you gotta be insane To be working out For
more than I used to be thatperson.
So I do wanna.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
I used to be that person.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
That's when I I was I think I was like Just out of
school.
I used to be in the gym Forlike four hours, can't lie.
Get there at six, leave at ten.
Get there at five, leave atnine.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Bro, get there at five.
Yeah, that's a lot, that's toomuch.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
That's a lot.
I was a little bitty, that'show you know you feel I was a
little bitty.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
But, that is, that's a lot.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
I can agree with that .
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I'm going to say something on that, then I'll go
to the next stats and then wecan go on some questions.
But interesting enough.
So during my journey last yearI was doing two a days.
Now I have a couple ofdifferent reasons I was doing
two a days.
One reason is because I, as aman, I went celibate.
I didn't.
I had no interactionsintimately, physically,
(22:41):
physically intimate.
Well, I was not physicallyintimate with a woman.
So I had a lot of mental power,obviously, yeah.
So my body kept, my mind keptsaying you need to train twice a
day.
So I was literally in the jailtwice a day and it was.
I think it was partly because Ihad a lot of physical energy,
but also it was because and Irealized, and I was trying to
(23:02):
figure this out it was becausemy I was, I felt like my mom, my
mind was gearing up to try towhen I was trying to align with
my body.
So I think, yes, if you'redoing three hours, that means
you're dealing with somethingmentally for sure.
If you're doing that muchcardio, that much working out,
you're dealing with somethingmentally.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
So I've definitely can relate to that for sure I
want to jump in real quick Ihave done two a days before too,
and it was back in the day, butI would do like.
I would do it like where I doweight training in the morning
and then, come back and docardio.
So every day doing two days?
No yeah occasionally.
So yeah, it was what I'm wrongwith you.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
It's sad in the brain .
Yo, it's okay, I was, I was.
I think it helped me out a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
You can talk about the fact that, like when you can
talk about stuff, that's howyou know you are, even if you're
not 100% here.
Like you get in there, but weknow you here.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Well, no, usually when I'm like dealing with
something I think I've heard alot of people say this, a lot of
you know big speakers whenyou're dealing with something
either when you're super happy,super sad or whatever you need
to take a step back to figureout what's making you that way.
That way you understand and youcan heal a lot better because
you're no longer you're in it,but you still can understand it,
(24:27):
so you know how to adjustyourself or adjust the situation
.
So that's what I was doing.
I was like huh, why am I doingthis?
And I kept realizing, ah, and Iwas getting great sleep at
night.
Oh, I was sleeping really good,like that's.
That's how my um, I was able tokind of get start back getting
up super early because of that.
All right, the next one this isa very interesting study here uh
, last study, before we go intosome more questions, is this is
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about eating disorder.
It says a study in 2015 showedthat 22 percent of males and
about 59 percent of femalefitness instructors had eating
disorders or had eating disorderhabits, which I 100 have seen.
I like when I was a personaltraining director and I was
(25:08):
hiring on trainers, I could seelike the train most of the some
of the trainers had eatingdisorder habits and you still
hired them yeah, so um, I don'tthink you should discriminate
based off somebody's like.
Yeah, no discrimination Rightright, right, I think it was for
them what I saw.
It was more do what I say, notwhat I do for their clients.
(25:31):
Okay okay okay, it wasn't.
Like oh yeah, you know I don'teat, but once, like blah, blah,
blah, I'll do this.
Like yeah, no, it was not.
I've seen, though, like a lotof instructors and coaches that
I've hired, even, honestly, evensome of your famous influencers
are exactly like that.
They have eating disorders oreating disorder habits, and I
(25:51):
think you have to be verycareful when you're seeing these
individuals with these greatbodies, because sometimes it's
genetic, sometimes it'senhancements, other times it's
like.
Sometimes it's enhancements,other times it's like Poor
Healthy habits, physical healthyhabits, and If you have a poor
Physical healthy habit, youprobably have a poor Mental
health habit.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
So I think that that's a very interesting stat
you want to take that one outand the food, the food part,
goes into it as well.
It's very important If you'rereally being sincere about
Wanting to work on your physicaland your mental, because food,
especially the food we eat nowthat can affect your mind too,
(26:29):
so you have to be Cognizant ofwhat You're eating and consuming
too.
Yeah, I think it goes hand inhand.
It all ties together.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
I agree.
There's another study that Iwas reading and it says um
experts estimate about one inten male gym goers may suffer
from muscle dysmorphia,basically a fixation where, no
matter how jacked they get, theyfeel small or never good enough
(27:02):
.
It's not funny, but I've seenlike guys, like man.
One of the things I reallydon't care for in the gym is
when we're talking about thesize of our muscles.
I just never been interested inlike, but some guys do it and I
get it.
But I'm like bro, like I don'twant to talk about like your
back.
(27:22):
I don't want to talk about likehow your pecs, your chest have
gotten.
I don't want to hear that Like,what are we talking about?
But that's just me.
Obviously, some of them like todo that.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
You know what would like kill a man's ego.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
What is that?
Tell him, he got small legs.
Yeah, tell him he's small.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I done, did that before man to man almost cussed
me out.
He was like ooh, I am not small, what you talking?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
about yeah, don't do that, man, man, don't do that
man, that right there.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
It's actually funny if you want to talk about that.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yo, how much, how much'm not owning it a lot but
from what I've I've seen and uh,and the people I've talked to,
(28:13):
I think it's a lot it, itaffects, it affects what body
part is important at the moment.
Very interesting, it's veryinteresting.
Like, at one point, if youthink about, at one point at the
beginning, most girls they were, oh, glutes, glutes, glutes,
glutes, glutes.
Right then they went to back,back, back back, like they're
(28:33):
setting the tone of what'simportant and what people want
to see.
And I think a lot of times thatis definitely unhealthy for
some people, right Mentally,because they're focused on,
they're focusing on looking acertain way, because the trend
is a certain thing, and I don'treally agree with that at all.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I, I have a love hate for social media because you
have to kind of try to wean outthe ones that got the
enhancements and they just doingsomething for content.
Gotta wean those out.
But I, I love it because I cansee the ones that literally they
, they record their entireworkout and you know it's
(29:13):
genuine.
I, I also love so my phone.
I, I have probably like 600different workouts in my phone.
Wow Like there's a folder in myphone that says gym From TikTok
.
It started off with Instagramfirst.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
And then I went to TikTok and so people used to be
like how do you make yourworkouts?
I literally, before TikTok waswhat it was, because I think it
was Musically or somethingbefore it was TikTok, because I
think it was Musically orsomething before it was TikTok,
I would go to Instagram and typein arm workout and just get a
whole bunch of see the differentexercises and be like, okay, I
think I can do this.
(29:49):
This was like earlier in myworkout life.
So that was like seven years agoand I would just make my
workout based off of what I saw,and so I think that that part
of it is helpful.
Now, were they doing the formright?
I wasn't looking at all that, Iwas just looking at the
exercise.
If I didn't really know whatthe name of it was, I'll like
(30:10):
type out the, the movements thatI saw or whatever, but I think
that's the positive side of it.
And then, like now with TikTok,you videos Somebody.
What I don't like is thoselittle workouts, the beginner
workouts.
They be like 15 minutes.
Why y'all steering these folks?
They can't do nothing forthemselves for 15 minutes.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Hold on, hold on For me that's me.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I can't 15 minute workouts.
Hey, Renee Trash.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
So I agree with your initial statement, I think and I
don't take anything for socialmedia because I try not to be on
there but there is a good andbad and obviously I think the
good is it provides individualswith some information that have
that has no that they the onesthat don't have any knowledge
about, uh fitness.
it kind of helps them get astart right yeah but it also can
(30:56):
be toxic in a manner of youidolizing or you, you know,
wanting, you know having afavorite person that you want
the body like or whatever itkind of you know, increases the
body dysmorphia you may have foryourself if you're not like
that particular person.
Now I think that you know thefit.
Like just a statement you madeabout a 15 minute workouts, I
(31:17):
think that's actually not a badthing because it's working with
clients.
In the past I've seen that alot of the clients don't have a
lot of time and honestly, Iwould prefer, if you can get
five or 15 minutes in per day towork out, I'm OK with that.
Five or 15 minutes, I was infive.
So my belief is you know, ittakes about 21 days to build and
(31:42):
break a habit.
I think if someone can go in andbuild a habit of at least five
minutes a day of some physicalmovement, it will increase over
time.
It will increase and thatincrease could lead up to 30
minutes full.
And I think that's what peopleare missing.
They're missing the fact thatyou have to start somewhere.
You can slowly increase it.
That's what the body missing.
They're missing the fact thatyou have to start somewhere, you
can slowly increase it.
(32:02):
That's what the body isactually made for.
You can't just go into thestrongest man couldn't just go
into and start lifting athousand pounds.
No, he had to work his way up.
That's a whole part of training, right?
People look at it in thatparticular way.
So I think a lot of timespeople they frown upon a small
(32:23):
or the short amount of time theyshould be working out well.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I understand your perspective, but for me, in my
opinion, I feel like once yougot out, got out the bed, you
woke up, got out the bed, gotdressed, got in your car, drove
to the gym, got out the car,scan in, you hear let's work
like it don't work.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
You know for a fact.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
It doesn't work that way this is why I'm not a coach,
because they'll be like we'rehere, yeah, let's go everybody's
not a morning person,everybody's not like once I get
to the get off work.
Yeah, I'm not an afternoonworkout person.
I hate it it's a.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
I think it's a lot of like distractions before you
can actually really jump into it, and a lot of people are lazy.
Let's be honest.
Some people just don't want todo it because it's work right.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
It's a difficult thing, but it all depends on the
situation of the person.
I feel like it's perspective,though, because this is some of
the things I've seen on socialmedia that they try to use as
influence, because they'll saywhat is one hour out of your day
Working out?
You ain't work for eight hours,so that's perspective.
Or even 45 minutes.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Like that's nothing and we get 24 hours in a day, 24
.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
What is one to work out?
That's true.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
You know what it is Is a lot of people's mindset is
exaggerated on what they have todo in that hour.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Not like well, listen , If I can't get, if I can't
wake up, it's going to be a badworkout.
I got to get moving first, Getthat heart rate up.
So yes, but sometimes I'm thatperson and I jump girly up and
down.
But, I literally have to walkin that door and wake up a
little bit before I get hypeLike today.
(34:11):
I just had to do like a coupleminutes on the treadmill to wake
up.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
So you know, I do the exact same thing.
Like maybe the first 10,15minutes I try to like I'm like
walk, I'm like, you know, like,say, pacing around, but I'm
doing like random things andthen, and then I hit this like
this high, I'm in it, let's go,don't talk to him, then y'all, I
don't have any conversationbecause he wasn't smiling this
morning I ain't even talking Iwas, I didn't talk to you today.
(34:39):
I was like, yeah, I was in it.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah, if I, I ain't even talking to you today.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
I was like yeah, I was in it.
Yeah, if I don't lock eyes withyou and make eye contact,
probably not going to have aconversation, but I'm not going
to be mean.
If you come up I'm going tolike okay.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Uh-uh, because I don't like people interrupting
me.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
So if I'm in the zone , do not interrupt.
I repeat do not interrupt, nota repeat.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Yes, he was locked in , jay.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Stone is stretching his legs.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Why have we brought him in here?
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Because he's the guy that's don't talk to him type
guy Like he's living.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Now used to.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah, you know reform .
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yes, come on, healed, I'm a reformed individual now.
I'm healed.
But yeah, I guess it's justbecause you are a coach, because
you have to look at things in adifferent way, I have to yeah,
and that's fair, that's good.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
If I don't then I'll.
And I think a lot of coaches ortrainers kind of feel this.
They won't.
They're so biased in what theythink and how they went about
their journey that they don'tunderstand their client's
journey.
And their clients end upquitting easy.
So, yeah, yeah, journey thatthey don't understand, their
(35:52):
clients journey and theirclients end up quitting easy.
So, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right.
So this next piece.
I did want to ask all right.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
So just in, in terms of what?
Speaker 1 (36:02):
we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
What's the difference between?
Speaker 1 (36:04):
gym therapy, or the myth is oh so um.
One of the the main things youhear people say is that the gym
is cheaper than therapy.
The gym is my therapy okay,okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Well, I mean, those are, that's true, but why does
it what?
It is not true.
That's true that it is that thegym is cheaper than therapy,
that's true, but it's just aplaceholder, like you.
Like I said, we can't count outthe, the mental part.
You, you, if, if you're mycoach yeah, I need to have a
(36:35):
life coach or I need to have atherapist too.
Agreed, like you, can't countthat out and I just feel like
the gym is only going to do somuch for you and, like you said,
it's just going to create spacefor you to be able to increase
that capacity increase thedepression, increase the anger,
increase the peace.
For me, you know what I'm sayingand I I've.
(36:55):
I just beat the statisticsbecause I've just literally, I
think being around you morebecause it's the most we've
conversed in a very long time.
Think being around you morebecause it's the most we've
conversed in a very long time.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Like being around you more.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I'm like, bro, what I'm being upset for Right.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
You know, when we talk about soft life, I've been
having a soft mindset for awhile now.
I love a soft mindset.
Why am I like I'm not chippingover that small stuff?
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Like, why am I this video on TikTok a couple days
ago the lady was like take threedays, don't complain about
anything, don't get upset aboutit, just don't complain.
And I'm trying to think have Icomplained?
If I gotta think about it,maybe I haven't.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I don't think I've complained about anything in a
long time, like even if itdidn't go my way nah, cause I
was late and you wasn't inthat's crazy.
I'm just.
You just blew my mind like whoa.
What if the last time Icomplained about something and
really if I wasn't joking like Ireally wasn't complaining, but
you like, I like how you brokethat down in terms of, like you
know, it could be in a sensewhat you're saying, it could be
(37:58):
a momentary relief the gym um,but at the end of the day, the
root cause of your issue you'renot dealing with.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
No, and you can't compartmentalize.
As important as it is to not beout of shape, to eat healthy or
eat fairly healthy or eat clean.
Your mental is it?
It all goes together.
Your brain controls everythingand you have to make sure that
(38:27):
you work that most.
Hell go talk to a cat go talkto a dog.
Cats out here in these streetsI'm not, I'm just saying talk
you.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
You gotta, you gotta find a way to release yeah I
agree, um, what do you so, basedoff of that, do you have a
story that you can relate tothat, like I?
I think, but I'll just say minequickly.
Personally, when I was dealingwith something I used to gym I
used to use the gym a lot butand I started to realize like it
(38:55):
wasn't helping the issue, butit was making me feel better
because I said it.
It kind of gives you thatmomentary release and I realized
that you have to do the mentalwork yourself, and I think
that's what you're alluding to.
Like you really have to sitdown and focus on your mental
like whether that's not workingout, but what it is.
A lot of people don't know howto sit.
(39:16):
Still, a lot of people like tobe like bored by themselves or
they call it boring Likesometimes it's just you Having
some time with yourself tounderstand you, to figure out,
like I said in the beginning,what, in a particular situation,
is making you feel a certainway, what's making you feel
happy, what's making you feelsad, what's making you feel
angry.
Once you identify those thingsand you remove it, then you
(39:37):
understand the circumstance andthen you understand your
feelings and emotions In thosesituations.
I think we miss out on that alot.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I don't see anything wrong with spending time by
yourself, and a lot of peopledon't like to be alone.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Man.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
And it's not even like a single it's a single.
No, like I'm saying, it doesn'teven have anything.
Even in a relationship you needto, or marry, you need to have
that time of when you toyourself.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
A break.
You need a break that?
Speaker 2 (40:06):
could that helps to you.
You can't cling into somebodyand I'm clingy.
I love if I'm in a relationship.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I love being around my person but I gotta have my
space too you be in the rightpocket no, no, not that much.
But you got to have your spacetoo.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
That's healthy it is Health.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah, space is 100% healthy.
Yes, do you have anything elseon that topic?
Speaker 2 (40:30):
What specifically?
Speaker 1 (40:31):
The gym.
Well the fit, but flawed topic.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Oh, fit but flawed.
I mean I think that even you,being a coach, you, as healed as
you are, you have your flaws,absolutely.
And we're going to becausewe're human.
We're not perfect.
So I mean I don't think thatanyone is unflout, but I do
(41:01):
think that people really have torealize that that just get on
board with the fact that thatbrain, that mind.
If your mind not right, nothingis going to be right.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yeah, I think kind of like what you're saying is it's
important to have a stronginside just as well as a strong
outside.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
It all ties together.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
So if you're working on your physical, working on
feeling, you know those feelingsof peace, joy or whatever you
or whatever you want to call it,then that's good.
So don't run away from that anddon't use the gym as your
therapy outlet.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
I said that in the first episode.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
So we got a little time left.
How much, how much do you risk.
Me yeah, at least I try to rest.
I try to rest at least a day ortwo, depending on.
So here's the thing I don'tlike my workouts are not like
they look intense but they'renot that intense.
It's because I'm just moving.
(42:13):
Now, so what I mean byintensity.
If we're putting intensity on ascale or a percentage, I'm just
moving now.
So what I mean by intensity.
If we're putting intensity on ascale or a percentage, I'm
probably going like 70 percentevery single time and that's it
and that's sustainable for me.
I'm not going 90 percent, I'mnot trying to push myself to the
limit, because I have no reasonto do that.
So I can go about 70 percent ofthe time.
(42:33):
If I can go 60 to 70 percent ofthe time, I can technically
work out every single daywithout being burnt out, without
being exhausted.
So I think for me it's allabout staying in that realm of
60 to 70% and I and Iessentially just intuitively
know how to train.
So I don't like go in the gym.
I gotta hit chest today.
I gotta exhaust.
No, bro, like no, nobody gottime for that.
(42:55):
That's why you're injured now,bro, you know what I mean.
Like for me, 60 to 70 percent inthe gym movements, and I always
focus on functional movement,because who wants to be freaking
?
You know 80 plus or 60 plus andcan't move right.
So I think functionality isimportant, um, because you never
know.
Um, I think it's alwaysimportant to kind of like, make
(43:17):
sure that you're engagingyourself, unless if you're in
some form of a competition, dowhat you got to do, if not
60-70%, every single day.
I guarantee you that you won'tfeel burned out and you won't
either despise or you won't feeladdicted to the gym because you
feel like it's not the placeyou're going for therapy.
(43:39):
It's more of like a routine foryou and it's a healthy routine
if you don't rely on it as much.
I think a lot of people rely onit because they go super hard
and they're trying to, you know,be here, be there and be this
and be that, and they kind of,like you know, make it a toxic
thing.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
I think rest is important, but I know me so I
try to just do active recovery.
So if I'm even if I'm tired.
Like matter of fact, it threwmy whole week off because monday
I was sleepy, so I just did 40minutes of cardio okay and I try
to usually do may wednesday, myactive recovery day, but I was
like I'm here, let me just hitthis cardio and then I'm going
(44:22):
to go back home and go to sleep.
I saw you Monday and I was likea little grumpy.
But I was sleepy, you weregrumpy.
I was like, look if I sleep,step back for a little minute.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Let me wake up, get out of her way, bro, we're not.
We're not Tired, no.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Cause I love my wrist .
But yeah, so I.
I know that I should likeLiterally have those days when I
don't do anything but NTPtrying to like Close her rings.
Yeah, every day, oh, you wanna.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
You wanna talk about that?
Speaker 2 (44:49):
I Listen.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
How Apple has made it Addicting to Close your rings
and to work out.
Try to make sure I close andthen it bugs you when you don't
hit.
Oh hey, did you know you're not?
Speaker 2 (44:59):
you didn't meet your you just gotta walk in place for
30 seconds that's unhealthy buthold on, I get it so like it's.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
I think when it comes to fitness, there's some good
and there's some bad, andthere's some great and some
great for sure some great greatyeah, pun intended.
Good, bad, great, yes, uh, butI think, um, especially with the
apple watch and I we didn'teven get into this, but a lot of
times it can.
It could promote healthy habits, but also promote unhealthy
(45:27):
habits, depending on how muchyou rely on it.
Do you know like?
I feel like I can't work out ifI don't have my apple watch?
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Yes, I know, but you don't have it on now, so you
only wear Apple Watch when youwork out.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
I've started to well, because now I'm into watches,
because I got to be on my grownman In corporate America, in
corporate America every minute?
absolutely not, girl I'm notgoing to be in a meeting.
We're in a professional meetingand no bro Like nah bro, hey
(46:01):
look, your watch says a lotabout you.
Anyways, this is not acommercial for watches, by the
way, but yes, I think it'simportant and I think the Apple
Watch for me is kind of like OK,I'm taking a break from fitness
.
When I take my Apple Watch off,I'm not thinking about working
(46:22):
out, I'm not thinking aboutclosing rings, because I think
it's a healthy balance.
But when I have it on, I'malways looking at it and you get
updates from everybody like ohman, first, such such close
their ring, then it getscompetitive.
Competition is good.
However, I think when it getsto the point to where it's
unhealthy, you have to take abreak.
So, to keep things balanced, Iwear my Apple Watch when I'm in
the gym.
(46:42):
When I'm not in the gym, I takeit off.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Wow yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
I'm talking about like.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
I'm trying to close my ring.
So that's why, even on the dayswhere I probably should sleep
in, because I've been saying,man, I just need a day where I
just don't move, where I justdon't do it, because I crank my
car up every single day and Isay I need a day where I don't
do anything but I still end updoing something, I just feel
like it's I don't see anythingwrong with it.
(47:09):
We got to walk, got to moveanyway, yeah, so if I take a
break from lifting weights, thenI think that's that's good
enough, is it?
I know, I know I eventually I'mgonna take me a little day
where I literally don't doanything and I'll get to that
point where I, you know, take myupper watch off, but not right
(47:30):
now yeah well, I mean, you knowit's, it's a, it's a, it's a
process getting there.
I have a question why do youthink?
Why do you think?
I guess it just has to do withsociety, but like a lot of it
started out like everybodywanted this hourglass, like want
to be thick, but now everybodywant to be skinny.
(47:50):
Like where that come from.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
It's a trend.
It depends on what society isdeeming acceptable at the moment
, like, even with it's just likeclothes and I hate to say it,
like you know, one minute, likethe camel craze, one minute,
camel was in.
The next minute camel wasn't in.
Like, what are we doing Like?
What are we doing Like?
So I think it's all about thetrend.
(48:14):
So I think it's all about thetrend and the trend.
Unfortunately, social mediacontrols society and because the
youth are completely immersedin it and adults can't help but
just be affected by it, I thinkthat sucks.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
I agree.
Who wants to be skinny?
I want muscles.
Do you have anything else?
That's it.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
That's all I had.
Yeah, thank you guys for Forlistening in.
You got anything you want tosay to the listeners.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
No, just Hit the gym, but make sure you Work on your,
your mental too, and don't letPeople that you see Don't Don't
be so influenced by what you seeOn social media.
Or even at the gym.
I will say when I work out, ifI see somebody doing something,
sometimes I'll be like okay,okay, and I'll write it down and
(49:06):
.
I'll do it and see what it doesfor me, or because of the
culture that we have at our gym,and going to the gym is like
going to school you see the samepeople.
Depending on what time you goschool, you see the same people
depending on what time you go.
You see the same people everyday.
So I'll be like, hey, can I,can?
I try that yeah and I'll do it,and if I like it, I'll
incorporate it.
So don't, but don't, don't beso influenced by what you see
(49:32):
that you like.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Oh, I'm gonna do everything that they're doing so
I can look like don't, don't belike that yeah, um, I think
I'll say just you know, focus onyour mental a little bit more
and prioritize it more thanyou're prioritizing your
physical.
I think wherever your mind go,your body will follow.
(49:53):
So if you are going to get, bea more peaceful and joyful
person, you know, I think yourbody will follow that as well.
So just just focus on that andwhatever that is for you
mentally, do it and trust thatyour body would, would you know,
conform to that I like that wayof my.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
Yes, that's the phd coming out out PhD coming out.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
Yeah, so yeah, that is it for our episode.
Guys, if you are following uson TikTok, definitely message us
If you got questions.
If you have a question you wantus to answer on the pod as well
as YouTube.
Youtube, we're dropping ourfull episodes.
We're going to be dropping someclips as well.
So, like share, subscribe.
What is the TikTok?
I hate when you do this,episodes we're gonna be dropping
uh, some clips as well.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
So like share and subscribe.
And what is the tiktok I hatewhen you do this I forget.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Yeah, tiktok is at good, bad gray yes, good bad
gray, if you're just listeningto us on all platforms,
obviously it's the good, the badand the gray on all platforms.
There you go, good job yeah,but on tiktok and on youtube,
good, bad gray, so easy, uh easyto remember.
So just find us like, share,subscribe, follow and we are out
(51:04):
bye.
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