The Grafted Life Podcast

The Grafted Life Podcast

Conversations about Christian spiritual formation, spiritual direction, soul care, and life with God. A ministry of Grafted Life and ESDA (Christ-Centered Spiritual Directors).


May 30, 2023 62 mins

Casey Tygrett is our guest on this episode of the Grafted Life Podcast. Adam Ormord and Kelly Arabie of Grafted Life Ministries talk with Casey about his latest book, The Gift of Restlessness. Casey is a pastor, speaker and the director of spiritual direction practice for Soul Care, a ministry which helps church and nonprofit leaders restore health to their souls.

Resources Mentioned: Soul Care website (

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Adam Ormord and Debbie Swindoll are joined by Danny Mullins in the final episode of our series, “Exploring God’s Design for Transformation.” Danny provided a workshop on Immanuel Prayer for the 2023 ESDA Gathering in Phoenix. Sharing his personal story, Danny gives insight into the ministry of Immanuel Prayer and how experiencing God’s love changes us.

Resources Mentioned: At His Feet Ministries (,...

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Adam Ormord, Executive Director of Grafted Life Ministries and ESDA, spoke at our ESDA Gathering on the topic of “The Relational Soul.”

We are created as God’s beloved, and we learn how to love by experiencing love. “The best gift we can offer anyone is our own authentic transforming self."

Resources Mentioned: The Relational Soul by Richard Plass and James Cofield, Relational Spirituality by Todd Hall and El...

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Adam Ormord and Debbie Swindoll are joined by Dr. Dianna Kubacz in Part 4 of our series, “Exploring God’s Design for Transformation.” With her training as a medical doctor and experience in medical missions, Dianna was a keynote speaker at our 2023 ESDA Gathering discussing how our brains are wired for transformation.

Sharing her parts of her own story of transformation, Dianna shares God’s invitation to joy through reexam...

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Dr. Neal Siler joins Adam Ormord and Debbie Swindoll as we continue our series exploring God’s design for transformation. Neal spoke at our 2023 ESDA Gathering on the topic of "Reorienting our Attachments." By paying attention to our own developmental and relational deficiencies, and allowing the Holy Spirit to restore what's been broken, we can move towards a more secure attachment with God, resulting in healing and...

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Michel Hendricks, co-author of The Other Half of Church, joins Adam Ormord and Debbie Swindoll for a conversation on how we are wired for relating to God and others. Sharing his personal story of encountering Jesus and his own spiritual journey, Michel relates how he came to a place of confusion and need. This, in turn, led him to Jim Wilder and learning how the brain is designed for change.

When describing growth, nutrien...

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Debbie Swindoll founded Grafted Life Ministries with her husband Curt, and she served as Executive Director for twelve years. Debbie has enjoyed the study of relational theology and the intersection of faith and neuroscience, often called neurotheology.

Why do we learn more about God, but often we are not experiencing true spiritual transformation? Can people really change? How do people change? 

In this conversat...

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January 24, 2023 41 mins

Mike Bowden serves as the Soul Care Facilitator for ESDA and leads spiritual retreats all over the world. In this episode, Adam Ormord and Kelly Arabie of Grafted Life Ministries interview Mike about his experiences abroad as a missionary with TEAM and his own journey in caring for his soul.

Join us for a very personal discussion, as Mike’s heart was awakened to longings for more in his relationship with God, and eventuall...

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Adam Ormord and Carolann Duffin of Grafted Life Ministries are joined by Jan Hassler and Phyllis Morton, both trained spiritual directors in the San Antonio area who have recently encountered the transformation that happens in our Life with God small groups.

Jan and Phyllis share parts of their formation journey and how they have witnessed transformation in their group members. As relationships are built and trust is forge...

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November 22, 2022 55 mins

Join Adam Ormord and Kelly Arabie of Grafted Life Ministries for a conversation with author and pastor, Joe Chambers. Joe serves as pastor of Mountain View Baptist Church in Buena Vista, Colorado, as well as with Sacred Journey Retreats.

Gratitude and thankfulness are rhythms that produce joy. Expressing our thankfulness in detail gives us such a glimpse of God’s intricate goodness to us, His beloved.

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In this episode, Adam Ormord is joined by Marilyn Vancil, a spiritual director and author of the newly released book, Beyond the Enneagram.

We are made by a relational God for relationship with God and others. God offers us a life centered in his love and lived out of the depth that centeredness provides.

In “The Posture of a Pilgrim,” chapter two of Beyond the Enneagram, we are invited to:

  • Slow down
  • Be expectan...
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Adam Ormord joins Beth and David Booram from Fall Creek Abbey in Indianapolis, Indiana as they talk about a deeply personal experience with suffering.

Suffering is unavoidable, yet, if we allow God to move into this space with us, great transformation often comes through our suffering. We can experience a deeper awareness of the closeness and goodness of God, and a joy that settles, even in pain.

Celebrating ten y...

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In the continuation of this two-part series, we invite Monica Romig Green and Debbie
to share what it was like to create a three-year arc, “Life with God: The Journey of Relationship.”

Monica’s theater background and Debbie’s experience as a Bible teacher both combined unique elements making LWG rooted in Scripture and fleshed out in community experience. We explore the intention and design behind the scenes, ...

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We recently caught up with Grafted Life founder Debbie Swindoll and
ESDA founding director Monica Romig Green.

Monica and Debbie talk about the friendship they found in graduate school
at the Institute for Spiritual Formation at Talbot Seminary, one that moved
from southern California to Texas and Toronto, as they co-created a three-
year spiritual formation journey for the local church.

In the las...

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Debbie and Curt Swindoll founded Grafted Life Ministries in 2009. From those earliest days, Debbie and a team of writers set out to write a series of small group materials designed to help people truly experience transformation in their relationship with God and with others.

Life With God, a six semester Bible study, represents the culmination of Grafted Life's vision to create a "Retreat in Real Life," in ...

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"The Journey of Relationship" is a two-part conversation between Grafted Life's founders, Curt and Debbie Swindoll, and Mark and Dianne Warner, pastors of Vineyard Community Church (Overland Park, KS).

We invite you to listen to the conclusion of this heartfelt and passionate conversation between friends and consider how God is inviting you to take the same journey of relationship. (If you haven't liste...

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