Marc Marquez Reclaims Sachsenring Crown

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I welcome once again this is theGrand Prix Project podcast with
me, your host Andrea and the bigbro Thanos.
Something, bro? Yeah.
Yeah, I'm good, bro. Yeah, this is the German Grand
Prix Saxon ring review. Mark the Saxon King.
Amen. Reclaimed the throne, right?
Then it was just on a temporary hiatus, man.

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So it was, it was pretty much inevitable, you know, like night
fallers day and day fallers night.
Yeah, yeah. It was like it was a guarantee.
There was no way, no how anybodywas gonna beat him around that
place. I know Ducati, no chance, no
how. Yeah, it was.
It's like right now you're just running out of what they call it

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superlatives. That was.
Superlatives. Yeah, to describe it.
Yeah, it's just crazy what we'reseeing right now.
As they always say, the best rider and the best motorcycle,
you're always gonna get that right.
So the question you asked now is, is this?
Is this his best ever championship season?
It has a potential to be, but it's not there yet.

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I don't know. I think I probably said this is
his best every season because even when he was on the Honda,
it was in a Honda that not his teammates can ride or he's in a
Ducati. That's pretty much it.
I mean, what was the results of his teammates on the Honda?
They weren't that great. Yeah, I don't you know, why are
in the seasons when he, when he withdrew from races and when he
cut his season short, you know, I don't think he's ever been,

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he's never been better than a Honda.
Exactly. You know, that's, that's that's
crazy. Yeah, 'cause even when even when
he came back from injury, from the, when he first came back
from the injury. He.
He just always found a way on the Honda too just be the top
guy. That was a thing in him.

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No matter what I'm going through, I have to be the top
guy on a Honda. It's like he he prided himself
in make sure he's the top guy. I mean, let's be honest, who was
really his team? Who was it?
Who was his teammate at Honda? He had, he had, he had.
He had two world championship teammates, well, Moto GP

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championship teammate and then he had Moto 2 championship
within teammate. So it was Pedroza Lorenzo.
Lorenzo. Joanne Meir and Paul Espraiger.
Yeah, I think probably Lorenzo altered that Moto, that four
you'd really class as probably true competition, true

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competition. But then again, Lorenzo didn't
really get home well with that Honda.
But I think if you look, I thinkon the grand scheme of things,
looking at how he's performing now, how he's managing the
races, he, he doesn't need to win the races by 1020 seconds
anymore. You know that.
And you think, and I think if hewanted to, he could win the

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races by maybe 10 second marginsif he chooses.
But I would probably mean he'd have to go, you know, he'd
probably have to ride the Ducati.
That's what I'm trying to say. He doesn't have to ride the
Ducati like or he had to ride the Honda to get the performance
out of it. Whenever he tries that, he
crashes so. Exactly.
So the so so the Ducat if anything, yeah.

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If anything, the Ducati, Yeah. If anything, the Ducati is more
suited to mark. It's a more probably the best
bike he's ridden in his entire mortar GP career, better than
any other Hondas. Because this bike, this bike
does everything better, you know?
What I wouldn't say it's, it's suited.

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I would just say he he's adaptedto the Ducati rather than the
other way around. No, why?
Why couldn't you say it's suited?
Because again, he, he rode the GP23.
Granted the GP20, I don't think it's a case of he just adapted.
I think the bike just suits him.It does everything that he wants
it to do. It turns well, it stops well, it
accelerates well. It allows him to look after,

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look after his tires well, compared to everybody else, It's
the it's the best bike he's everridden.
Yeah, yeah, it, it is the best bike.
But if you if you, if you've been watching his riding style,
he's had to tame it down a bit in order to get what he wants
out of the Ducati. So naturally that's not his
riding style. But, but that's the point.

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But or you could also argue thisis his natural riding style.
But what we saw him do on the Honda was him.
He needed to. That's the only way he could get
the performance out of the Honda.
He's not realized on this Ducati.
I don't need to ride the bike like that because the bike is
more responsive. It does, like I said, it does
well, one it turns well, it stops well, it's accelerates

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well. So he doesn't need to go above
and beyond and say, look, the only way I can get it to turn or
stop, I have to be ultra aggressive.
He doesn't need to be ultra aggressive on it.
And exactly. So that's why I'm thinking.
That's why I think if you compare them, he's this is
probably the best bike he's he'sever ridden because it allows
him, you know, not to be ultra aggressive on it.

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You like you, you, you said it. We spoke about it before.
He said if you look at his teammates on the Hondas, right,
nowhere, nowhere. But if you look on his, OK,
granted, Pekka isn't having the best season.
We get to Pekka in a bit, but Pekka is still there, You know
what I mean? Pecker is still this Pecker is
still getting podiums. You know, he's third in the

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championship, whatever. But when you look at his
teammates on the Honda, they weren't really.
They were struggling massively under Honda.
Competing initially, initially, initially Pedrosa.
Remember, initially Pedrosa was still getting podiums winning
races. Pedrosa should have won a
championship. But Pedrosa, too, to fall off,

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actually totally fall off the podium.
They took a couple seasons. Yeah, but yes, I.
Definitely think I definitely think this is probably the best
bike overall bike he has ridden in form.
This is the best bike. In motoring.
Right. And that's, that's, that's a
given. He, as you say, it allows him to

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do stuff that, you know, it doeseverything.
We can't deny it's the best. Ducati just has been creating
the best motorcycle since probably 2015.
I wouldn't go. Yeah, from from when he went 15.
When, when he when, when, when was the first time Ian Dovey
locked arms? Was it 16 or 17?

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If it was, I mean I believe it was 16.
The year when Dovey actually started winning on a Ducati.
Ducati. They've had the best motorcycle
since then, they just had the wrong rider on it.
Fair enough. They just.
They just. No, it wasn't 2016, because when
was it? Valley finished second in 2016.

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I believe it would have been. So 17 the following year.
Yeah, yeah, because Dovey finished second in 2017.
He Dovey only lost the championship in 2017 by what, 37
points? So from 17, they've had the best
motorcycle and arguably that motorcycle started coming good

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from like 1516 is when it actually looks like it it was on
an upward trajectory. I would, I would.
I wouldn't go as far as saying Ducati was the best bike around
that time, but. 17/17/18 yeah, they had the best motorcycle.
They've been at the best motorcycle since then.
As I said, they just had the wrong, they just had the wrong
rider on it. They just had the wrong rider

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because you you got to remember when did Lorenzo go to Ducati?
That I'd have to look that one up, I don't remember.
Right well, I don't remember whyyear that was a good motorcycle
as well, but it just got it tookhim a little while to.
Start 20, Yeah, Lorenzo was at Ducati 2017 to 2018, OK.
And he did one year Honda in 2019.

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OK. So he did two years at Ducati,
right? So that was a championship.
Those those years was champion. That Ducati was a championship
winning motorcycle had the potential to they just had the
wrong riders on it. And Lorenzo came to the party
too late because by the time he started winning races, whatever
happened between him and DominicCali, they they just booted him.

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But then that doesn't always show you that it was not the
easiest bike to ride in. No, what happened Lorenzo it was
the same. So Lorenzo has a had a tank
issue too, so that I'm not sure you remember that Ducati, huh?
Like it wasn't really the tank, the thing that looks like the
tank. So they had to do like a bigger
one for Lawrence. It was like a humpback wheel.

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Yeah, because I think he would. I think he he kept sliding off
it off the bike because the tankwas well, obviously we know the
tank is under the seat, but the tank was basically too small for
him. And once they made the
amendments, he started winning races.
He was a lightning quick. But by that time, they're
probably like, Nah, mate, for whatever reason, what happened

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in, in, in, in the back, in the back of the paddock or in the
offices between Lorenzo and the upper echelons?
Rumored it was Dominique, Kali, some reason, you know, tempers
Fledar. Those personalities didn't
match. Yeah, Lorenzo was out.
So those two years, that was a championship when in Ducati, if
they had the right riders on it.Because Lorenzo won.

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How many races Lorenzo won that year?
He won Italy, won Catalona, he won Austria, and Lorenzo only
won three races that year, Italy, Catalonia and Austria.
Right. It it's so yeah, that that
motorcycle look at it. We had a good motorcycle that
had the potential to win the championship.
Zach, Zach, when you in the in the motor GPS sphere, when when

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you it's it's going to go down in history that the man that
stopped Dovizioso from from fromI think 2 championship is always
going to be Mark on Honda. But did he really well again, I
think I think we can we can argue either way that it's it
can be a bit subjective, but youknow, can we really say he
stopped Davici also from becausedid Davi ever go into any of

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those seasons as the championship favorite?
No, I don't think so. No, he does not.
You just have to look at how he performed.
Remove Mark and the Ducati wouldhave been the dominant.
He would have been the dominant writer.
But The thing is you can't remove Mark as he was literally
there. You I mean, it's the same thing
we could that's. What I'm saying when he's, when
you look in the the history of it, it's always going to be when
Ducati had a motorcycle that wasready to win, who stopped it

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because they had a motorcycle that was ready to win from those
times. I don't, I don't know.
I'm, I'm, I'm sitting on the fence on that one.
I don't think we can say they might have had a bite that could
have won the occasional races, but to win a championship, maybe
that's. What I'm saying to you that
Ducati was that if you ask if you listen to anyone in motor GP
sphere those two years that Dovey was on a Ducati that was a

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championship winning motorcycle with just the wrong rider on it,
OK, that was a very good motorcycle.
OK, cool. Fair enough.
So you know what? Yeah.
But yeah, German GP, let's kind of so 77 Pole this year for
Mark. Yep, man, Literally.

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I mean, did he ever look like hewas going to lose pole?
Did he ever look like he was going to lose that pole
position? Let's be honest.
Yeah, he had to. He had to ride for it, but he
had to ride for it. Yeah, but he had to ride.
I don't know. It wasn't an easy pole because

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there was copy riders that was there and there about DJ and
Antonio. Frankie Morbidelli, Kim
Arbidelli was up on the lap whenhe crashed on Mark's time when
he crashed. But then again, he would have
had to go through the following two more sectors to actually see
that through. But exactly he's not one M1 in
that condition where he just ramped away with it.
He really had to, he had to ridefor it.
He had to ride for that. And then the Sprint race.

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That's that's that's the big talking point.
Yeah. Just couldn't settle for second,
you know? But what I mean, could you, can
you blame him though? Because there was still enough
time left, enough laps left and he was, he could genuinely see
that he was just faster than everybody in in those

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conditions. Because again, he fluffed his
lines at the start. And I think he did.
He was, he was so eager to lead going to the to that first
corner that he literally outbreak himself.
And he was a bit lucky because if he had actually ran off
track, he wouldn't have won thatrace.
There was no way if he had gone off track at that turn 1 he was

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never going to win that race. So by keeping it on the track
and managed then to just. I think he fell to what 4th
before that allowed him to P4P5Ican't remember which P4 I think
it was that allowed him to like P. 5 but briefly.
Yeah. So by the time he got to turn 2,
I think what's turn 2 is that left-hander, isn't it?

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He was pretty much back up to his up to P4 and he and he knew
from there on, yeah, it was just.
Enough to motorcycle come to himbecause what he said in an
interview is that when he went into the corner to have a two
things going to happen is ever is going to crash.
They say just let it off, run off, run wide and live to fight
another day. Because if he said if he had

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continued going, it probably would have crashed.
So he processed that so quick torealize just let it off and just
live to fight for the rest of the race.
Yeah, because it's because it was still a long as it was still
a long race. And he, and like I said, he knew
he had the pace over everybody, no matter which conditions it
was, he had the pace over everybody.
So giving up that those four positions at the start wasn't

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really going to be, wasn't goingto be detrimental to his race.
I thought his boss wasn't happy though, I could tell you that
much. Yeah, well, because I see.
But you can understand why his boss.
How does he was like, like, he was like, Oh my God.
And even Mark said, he said he took too much risk.
He said he could have settled for second, but he said he just,
he's just instinctively he, the bike started coming to him and

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he just just went and it just worked out, 'cause he, they're
asking him about these. And he was like, you know what,
The only mistake I made is when I was being conservative.
And he said for some reason whenever he's conservative,
that's whenever, that's when he crashes.
He said once I'm in the zone, I just have to ride where I'm

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comfortable because the moment Istart thinking I'm backing up,
that's when I make mistakes, which is understandable, which
is totally understandable. Because you're going because
you're going against your natural instincts.
And that's when you're more likely to, like you said, will
make a mistake. And it's kind of similar to what
when Le Mans when, when people were talking about Zack or he

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needed to slow down and I was like, don't let the man this is
in conditions like this. Let let them ride the OR the the
normally ride. It's the natural instinct
because the moment you start thinking.
You need to be there because themoment you start backing up,
that's when you lose temperaturein your tires.
So I mean, I didn't think he wasever I, I don't think he was

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ever going to lose that race even when he dropped to P4
because you just look at it and you're like, once he gets into
that rhythm and the bike starts to operate, then he's going to
be, he's going to be good. And that's pretty much what he
did, you know? Yeah, not much in the Sprint.

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He just came to one. That and Wezeki have a solid
weekend for Bezeki in the spring.
Artararo managed all of DJ and Antonio.
And that's his. That's why his first Sprint
podium of the year. Yeah, his first didn't podium in
a while. Yeah, because he has all the
podiums. He got podium, you know.

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Where did he get a podium? Got a podium in Euros?
Where else did he got podium? I can't remember, but yeah.
The thing is right, this is whatI'm looking, so let's let's
finish out. So this is his Sprint.
Yeah, Sprint was straightforward, came to in the
wet one that yeah. So yeah, Fabio did well to all
of DJ because DJ was fast all weekend, followed by Jack

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Miller, Brad Binder, Zarko, AlexMarquez with a broken, but he
said it didn't affect him as much.
Pedroca Furman, man Pekko Bagnetdid not score a point in the
Sprint. Even Miguel Olivier wasn't been
anywhere. But this is a Sprint.
I'm just round this off because we're going to have to get the
Pekko and Digia and a few guys in the main race.
So yeah, really, that's it for aSprint.

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For the Sprint, you know, just as you said, true to form,
right? And then Sunday comes around.
Dry race. Yeah.
Dry race, What were you expecting in terms of So Mark
was already here marked. What were you expecting for the
for the actual main race? What what was your prediction
now? What were you apart from Mark?

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What did you have as your podium?
I was I was hoping Fabio could probably sneak onto the podium
at the start, but then when I didn't have much expectation for
Pecker Cos Warsaw on Saturday, just like he didn't look like he
was at the races from Friday, hewas nowhere.

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He was literally like, you know,on average he was like 1/2 a
second slider mark in literally every single condition.
So my expectations for him was maybe he probably he maybe
finish in the top five, but he was definitely going to score my
points. But I couldn't see him making
the podium or anything like that.

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I thought maybe Fabio could sneak a podium and it would have
been Mark Bass and Fabio. So Dija Antonio are Quataro.
Only Quataro. There's only one Fabio on the
grid. Everybody else is an imitation
man. So bitch, you you, you get
called. Bitchy That's that's bold

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because the pace that DJ was on,it's surprising you unless you
you thought it was going to crash to put Fabio quarter in
front of. Him.
No, I just, you know, me, I'm a Fabio guy and he was starting
in, in the top ten and you know,you know, on a Sunday, Fabio
tends to be somewhat better. But.
On a Sunday. Exactly what happened, Unless DJ

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crashed, he was going to be on the podium.
Have you been watching this guy's pace all weekend?
Yeah, but again, like I said, anything can happen and that's
why I just say I just had Fabio being on the podium.
It wasn't the case. Not, not.
Everything. Yeah, I just, yeah, OK.
I just thought that Fabio could,yeah, Fabio could.
Fabio could sneak a podium, you know, when it wasn't expected of

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him and, you know, so said, so done.
But outside of that, I didn't, Ididn't really think, I didn't
really expect any much from the race because again, you kind of
got a glimpse of it. Saturdays, we'll tell you what
Sundays are going to look like. The Sprint race, we'll tell you
what the Sunday race is going tolook like.
If Mark dominates a Saturday, he's guaranteed he's going to

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dominate. The race apart from mark even as
a red, which Saturday race? You thought that that could tell
you the rest of the grid? Yeah.
And, and it and it was pretty much living up to that format
until what happened to the second, second and third place
runners because those were the what?
I mean, those were the three quickest guys all weekend.

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No, but Saturday. The Sunday race was different
because DJ and Antonio was in was running second.
Yeah, when you because this. On Sunday we didn't.
It was nowhere. There he was.
He finished behind Fabian on on Sunday.
Yeah, but but you still can get an idea was again though, like
you said those would. I would have more put Sunday
race based on what I was seeing on Friday, the stints that I was

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seeing and with with Digit and Tony, the pace that he had with
Bezeki, which Saturday bit tricky.
But yeah, if you saw that, you saw that.
Yeah, because Bez was on the podium on Saturday.
Yeah. So the only one who didn't make
the podium was There you go. And why didn't he not make the
podium? When on Saturday?
On Saturday, yeah. Yeah, because he just, he just

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didn't come through as well as he usually came through, but he
just didn't get past Fabio. OK, there you go.
Then he crashed on Sunday there.You go, but like I said, I
didn't. I didn't have much expectations
for the race because I put out atweet that this year's Moto GP
season, it's akin to Michael Schumacher's 2002 season and

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Ferrari, that's what we're witnessing.
That's the level Mark is on, right?
That's where I see it right now.So yeah, my expectations was,
and I, I, I pretty much thought it was just going to, once Mark
leads leads the first lap, that's pretty much it.
It's a case of who's going to finish second and third because
no one is going to beat him, especially around this track

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where pretty much he could ride it blindfolded and still beat
everybody. And it just shows, right?
Look at actually first let's talk about the curse. 2nd place
that no one wanted. Let's talk.
Yeah. Did you had it first?
Crash out. Was it?
Did you had it first then best got it?
Yeah, Believe. Yeah.
Which did morbidly crash out from Was It Saturday?

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Yeah, Morbidly didn't race on Sunday.
No, it didn't race. Yeah, it crashed out to the
Saturday one year because he hadthat.
Yeah, he, he got put in a tumbledryer for that crash.
I can't understand why he didn'tturn up, why you wouldn't raise
the son that. Man of the Head Beaker, Ed
Beater. Ed Beater.
What was the question again? What's the question so?

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Two of them crashed out of second place.
Yeah. Bez and Digi.
Digi, Right. And it's it's crazy, right?
Just it's like I can't wait for this Matt Oxer book that he's
writing about Mark, because somethings that you hear so far,
he's saying that the interviews that he's getting is not really

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based on Mark's speed or his hishis thought process is the thing
that he said he's intriguing himthe most.
It's not that he's fast because a lot of writers on the track is
fast right is in his post race interview when everyone is
crashing that turn one right. He's realizing that, he said.

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Let me just. But Bolin but Bez and Digi
didn't crash at turn 1. Yeah, the crash coming after,
after it's turn one, they crash,yeah, coming off, coming over
the start finish straight. And as soon as they're going to
tip it into that first right, that's when that's when they,
they, they bend it. You sure?
Same place your mark. Yeah, same place your Martin
crash the year when he was leading the race.
OK, because I could have soon they crash at it was on the left

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hand turn they both crashed so it wasn't turn one turn 1.
That's the same place where Martin crashed because turn
around is one of the very few rights.
So they did all this, left, theywent and as soon as they tipped
it in, tipped it in, that's whenthe the front start.
So I say that to say Mark was basically saying he's coming
around and he's seeing all theseskid marks going off the track.

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So he's realizing, he's looking at realizing that people are
crashing out. How do you even process that
line? You're barreling down in that
corner, having to mind your own business to make sure you don't
crash. But you could see what happened
before you, and now you're starting to adjust your
situations. It's crazy.
That's the way he processes these things, girl.
But you also have to remember once he comes around the next
lap is Pitbull's going to give him a message and he's they're

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going to pretty much tell him that rider is out and probably
where he crashed. So obviously, so he can then
make that adjustment going into that.
Corner this Pitbull doesn't tellhim.
Yeah, but the people would have told him that, that that those
writers will crash. Yeah, but I'm saying to you, the
information that I'm really now is what I'm hearing of a

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journalist are talking about that they're experiencing when
they do these interviews and like, yo, his thought process is
just crazy. So hold on.
Just the way he just processes things like quick, the
temperature is changing or I gotto change my writing style.
There's a dry. It's just that's the thing that
most people are impressed the most of.
What my question, my question tothat is especially how would you

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know the temperature is going upor down?
Huh. How would you know if the
temperature? That's the temperature, but like
the feel of the the tracks sort of if the as soon as the bike
starts moving, you realize, OK, he could process and he could
change it what he's doing. Right.
Yeah. The feels, just like what he
said, the feel for the track when it's wet.
OK, I need to go to slicks. Even when you're thinking like

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there's no way. That's like for some reason he's
got that feel. And that's what most people are
impressed about is his way he processes things.
It's not necessarily just this innate talent that he's got.
It's his. It's thought process of.
Going so he's able to process itand still go fast basically
because obviously all the other writers process, process the
information the same, same way. But the difference here with

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when it comes to Mark, they'll process it enough to go slower
just to be on the safe side, buthe process it process and he's
still able to keep maintaining apit without dropping.
You remember San Marino last year when everyone was, when it
started pouring, when it startedraining, everyone has dropped
off like a second or two and he just bolted and you're like,

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man. And that's that.
That's that. These are the things that most
people are impressed with. It's just his feel for a
motorcycle, the way he processesthings.
Even on this weekend past, I think they said he saved some.
I think he saved one of his tires because he already went
into race mode from Friday afternoon from what I'm
understanding. Like he already knew where he
was and he just started focusingon race pace.

(25:46):
Bro this is Friday. But I, but we said that, but
I've, I've said that to you before that on a Friday, Mark
treats every Friday different toeverybody else and he starts
from the first session. I've said it to you before.
Once he gets a rhythm in in the first session, that's pretty
much he knows where his pace is right away.

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So now he just knows what to focus on so he can go into, OK,
let's let's start working on my race pace because I'm pretty
much I think after maybe after the 1st 20 minutes of the first
practice session, he knows wherehe is pace wise so that now he
can make that adjustment and start focusing on his race pace.

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But if we go back to Sunday again, like Saturday, I didn't
really, I didn't have any. I didn't, I didn't think, let's
be honest, the risk was pretty boring, if we're being honest,
it seems. And I tweeted about this, You've
heard the, you've heard riders complaining about how difficult
it is to follow. I know it, especially with the

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the issue with front tire pressures and all sort of stuff.
What we're witnessing now is multi GP is becoming very
processional. It's very little to no action
you find on track and if you do find action it's more from the
those at the back or the midfield who are doing anything.

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But once you get to the front runners it's pretty much status
quo. People just maintain the
position and if you pass somebody at the front it's
because your tyres, their tyres went off, yours didn't or you
genuinely have pace on them. The risk?
Hasn't that always been the casethough?
No, it's always been the case. No, not really.
Not really. I think it even even even when

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even when Pecker Martin was winning, it was once you get out
front, that's usually it. I don't think but that's but
what I'm saying is. And it's all idea about
overtaking. It's more difficult, right?
But we see overtakes happening, right?
Yeah, but, but when you talk, but you have to, we're talking
about on the scale, if you compare it, if you go back maybe

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four or five years ago, you realize that overtaking has gone
down drastically compared to four or five years ago.
Yeah, yeah. So and, and, and that's because
if you look at the bikes now, they pretty much look like
Formula One cars with all of these wings and these flip flop

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this that. That that is for three years
now. Yeah, but I get that.
But that's but now you're starting to see the problem I'm
talking about where riders themselves are telling you it's
hard to follow because of because of dirty air coming off
the bikes. That was never the case, like I
said, maybe 445 years ago. And if you if you go back and
you look at the numbers, I'm sure you find that overtaking

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has gradually been going down and that's as a result of the
bike. So now the races have become
somewhat processional. That's why I said on Sunday it
wasn't. I wasn't really surprised.
I knew what Mark was going to win the race.
I said it to you in the what wasthe in the Assen?
Because Assen was prior to this,right?
But but even even before, even before the wins, we knew he was

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I was going to win Saxon Ring. Yeah.
So you know what? The only really only thing I've
not that really happened in thatrace was Bez and Digi crashing
out from 2nd, 2nd, 2nd and 2nd pace respectively.
Nothing else was really. No, that's not true.
That's. Really.
OK. Because because Luca Marini, our

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Furman, Joanne Meer, Raul Fernandez, he was having a whole
Ding Dong Dong at the back of the field.
Yeah, but again. So there was action going down
here. But no.
But there was a. Lot of action down in that.
But the but a point I'm trying to make is and it's the same
thing we witnessed with Formula One.
Yes, you're going to have Ding dumb but but no ones really
concerned so much with what's going on at the back.

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It's more where the bigger boys are.
That's where you want. That's what these are the guys
who are tied to condemn this andthis is where you want to see.
That's always been F1 because even when when Seb was winning
it was the same thing. When Lewis was winning, it was
the same thing, like that's always been.
Modest, yeah. And again, that and that's where
the boredom comes in because youbecause you want to see

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something different happening atthe front.
But we're not seeing anything different happening at the
front, the midfield, the midfield in any racing category.
You go and look at the midfield world, super bike, BSB, whatever
you want to look at, it's the it's those in the midfield to
the back where you find all the action because it's just.
And the problem for that is because it's the same thing for

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any series. The best drivers, best riders,
always on the best machinery andthey're just going to canter.
You're not going to get, which is why the midfield is always
going to be the midfield, right?That's where I was going to get
a lot of stuff. Unless you find a great rider in
the midfield, then you understand what I'm saying.
It's it's what a lot of this stuff are going away.
So let's see what that does, right.

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A lot of the I think right eye is going away era is getting
reduced. So let's see what that brings.
New tire manufacturer, differentmotorcycles and that's for 2027.
And so we still got a year, but yeah, Alex Marquez because we're
still on the main. So Alex Marquez finished second.

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2nd. Pico Third granted I'm going to
call it. It's a bit fortuitous.
Is that the word? Yeah.
I mean, yeah, it was fortuitous for both of them.
Yeah, that the fish on the Porter.
Thing in. But it's like no.
Matter the conditions right apart from the Sprint.
It's like Pecker is just locked into third this year.

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Yeah, and and we get to pecker shortly, but right again he
started what 11th compared to where did Alex start?
What was it if Alex are fifth believe Alex started 5th and
Pecker started 11th. So I didn't.

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My disappointment in the pecker thing is that Alex was injured
and you still couldn't take advantage of him.
And that's a. Problem boy big bro right now.
Yeah, Alex started. Alex started sick.
Beckett started 11th. Right, and that's and that's it,

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bro, like it's what is it? Because we're going to probably
spend some time on that, right Pedro Acosta, because I know
Pedro is, is the guy that you, you kind of highlight a lot main
race crashes out, right? How many DNDNF has Pedro Acosta
this year? DNF quite a few.
Yeah. Is that quite a few right?

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Yeah, far too many, let's just put it that way.
He has had fired. He has had too many.
Yeah, too many. But what's the point?
It's so now there's rumors that he that probably is going to end
up at on a Ducati in VR46. The moment is just rumors.
Yeah. But hold on.
How did we get to that point? How did we get to pick?

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Because he we're trying to run off the the main race in it, but
he crashed out of that which is.Hold on.
So we're done with the the .2, the second point.
Yeah, that's still a race. That's where we're at.
Yeah, but I have Acosta down here at the bottom some as a
separate topic, so. You're going to put that OK.

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So we have Pedro as a second topic so we can.
So let me edit this. Because might as well mention
him down the race. No to do do that.
Well, you want to give him a whole separate section.
Yeah, but it's not going to be long.
Yeah, because, because I don't think there's that much really
to talk about. That's all I could come up with.
Yeah, so, so Raul Fernandez, he he seems to be coming on

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Aprilia. He wasn't too bad this weekend.
He's showing some speed. Luca Marini.
Luca Marini finished six after coming out that horrible injury.
That's a good ride. And that's the guy you said
Honda should drop compared to that was me, right?
And compared to his teammates. You run me on this point.

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You're just trying to piss me off.
To be honest, I, I can't even asa world champion, even as a
double world champion, I, I can no longer justify my support for
him, right? Even though this accident wasn't
his. Fault.
Did I not say? Did I not say to you earlier
when you said to me the more likely gonna you'd rather keep
mayor? As I think he's a better writer
than Luca Marina, Yeah, that doesn't change.

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But the point, but the point here is, and I made that point
back then, that Mayor brings thebike home, Marina brings the
bike home. I must.
Say this crash wasn't his, crashit.
Wasn't his fault either way but over Jim commentary apparently
they said he's crashed out of 57% of his races.
Yeah, he crashes a lot. So it's just like.

(34:39):
So then, so then so then this argument about him being a world
champion would be the reason whyNo, I wouldn't keep him because
you're a world champion. That means you shouldn't be
crashing so much your teammate and Marini that many people
don't read. I'm not really hearing or there

(35:00):
about it. He's bringing the bike home,
he's scoring points, he's consistently finishing in the
top 10, but your teammate keeps crashing.
So if so. Jeremy is starting to piss me
off bro. Right.
Jeremy should have been pissing you off from last from from way
back when, no? No, no, no, because, because at
the end of the day, at the end of the day, right, You at some

(35:23):
point you're going to have to, you're, you're pushing, you're
going to crash. I could respect that, right?
I can always respect a writer who pushes crashes.
Cool, right? But now it's just like, bro,
it's just getting unbearable. Like at some point, even if this
race, this, this past accident wasn't his fault, he's crashed

(35:45):
so much, it's like you still blame him.
Like, you know, the one Like youget, he's like a kid that gets
into trouble a lot. Now you start getting blamed for
everything, right? Even when it's not your fault.
Even if someone takes him out ofthe race, I'm going to see a
crash. It's your fault.
You crash too much bro. You know, I'm not giving you no
grace no more. And again, it's not like it's
just this year. It goes back all the week.

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How long has he been on the Honda?
Since Mark was there, when did Mark leave?
Mark left. Mark left last.
Year 2020. So he's been there about 2122.
Yeah. So he's so exactly in home and
and you're talking about he's crashed out of this seven they
set up, I'm sure that's the number.
I heard he crashed out. He has crashed out of. 23.

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OK, 2023 he has crashed out of 57% of the races he's riding it.
That's madness. That's rough.
That's a suckable offense bro. You shouldn't be on a bike.
Yeah, that's rough. You shouldn't be on a bike
that's that's just crazy. And the worst part about it is
the Honda look like it's it's making its way back.

(36:52):
All right. And I got it up.
So this year he's got one. This year alone.
How many grand prixs have we had?
Let me do that. I think it's not Yeah, hold on.
Let me just let me just look at the calendar. 11/11 What's that,
11? Yeah, 11/11/11 he's.
Crashed out of seven. Jesus Christ.

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Right. Last year, last year off, he
crashed out. What's this?
He crashed out of 10 races last year. 10.
Right echo the 23 race season somewhere around here.
It doesn't matter you've not many race season, but dude, you,
you crazy. It's that's unacceptable and

(37:36):
like you said, as a world champion.
Yeah, bro, it's, it's, it's too much.
It's it's, it's too much. I I don't.
When I said, but when I said this to you a couple episodes
ago and you're telling me you'd rather keep him over Luca
Marini, and I'm telling you, look, Luca Marini, he might not
be rooting off trees, but he's getting the bike cross the

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finishing line and he's bringinghome points.
It's, it's ultimately right, if,if we're being honest, right
Jermere. And that's the thing that gets
me with him. Bro, you won a whole
championship of being consistent.
You know he's only ever won everwon one Moto GP race, right?
You know. The one was on, he was on the

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Suzuki. Granted, the Suzuki is a more is
a more easy is more easier to toto to ride all this stuff right.
But if you got Luca Marini staying on a motorcycle and
bringing it home every single time, coming off of injury and
finishing sixth, based on what Luca Marini has been through and

(38:40):
the fact that he just came back,if Luca Marini's finishing sixth
with all the attrition that happened on Sunday, bro, you
should be at least fifth, bro. You didn't, but I'm glad.
I'm glad you. You're starting to see the
light. Right, so.
I'm glad you finally. It's not about nothing like he's
a is he a better rather than Luca Marini?
Yes, he is. Is he?
Yes, he is. He showed that in all

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categories, he's a better motorcycle rather than Luca
Marini, right? But on on current current form,
he's not. Yeah, because maybe the Honda
just doesn't suit him as much. Maybe he's not as adaptable.
But is he is is Luke, is Joe Amir a better motorcycle racer
than Luke? But yes, he is.
But. But the question but you say
maybe he's not. He's been on the Honda since

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2223. Yeah, but we're not going to do
that to him though. Why not?
We're talking about the Honda. That's not that Honda was.
Yeah, but the Honda, Yeah, but the Honda, it's time.
But that's, but that's the pointI'm trying to make.
If you look at the Honda this year, it's the Honda this year.
It's the best it's ever looked since Mark was on it.

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Yeah, and he's still crashing. I'm trying to bring up, I'm
trying to bring up the championship standings on this
thing, on this bleeding thing, but for some reason I right.
Now. Yeah, I want to see where I want
to see the point standing because I'm looking, I'm trying
to bring up the he's, he's enough in the standings. 32
points. How much 32 and how much does

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Luca Marini have? Luca Marini have.
I can never I hate this word thethe actual official page.
OK, here. OK, here you go.
So Luca Marini. Luca Marini has 48 points in 15.
And missing some races. And John Mayer has a mysteries.

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Yeah, it's, it's, it's just, yeah, missed a lot in the
gravel. So he needs it's getting.
Too much, bro. It's get, it's getting a lot.
Hyundai's gonna have to start asking questions.
Of course, there's too much, there's too much hard charges
coming through the motor, the motor tool system right now to
have join me just wasting a factory ride in the gravel every

(40:46):
single weekend, right? And and for me, I like to, I
like to give riders grace, right, because what they do is
difficult. It's not an easy thing, but man,
at some point I'm like, man, I gotta hop off this, this boat,
right? I'm going to use.
I'm going to use those words against you shortly.
I'm going to use those words against you shortly.
But let's see, look at me, man, Jean Mir.

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And you know, there's still the talk of we're going to get to
him as well. 89 If they if it comes down to it where they're
going to have to replace somebody at Honda, that factory
team, it has to be, Jean Mir hasto be.
Yeah, no, it's looking like it. Whether it looks like it or not,
he's the one that has to go because he's not doing the job.
He's supposed to be the lead rider in that team and he's not

(41:32):
leading that team. Not the man in the lead.
Hunter man is Joan. Joan Zarko.
Yeah, but I don't even want Zarko to go back in that
factory. Honda.
Let Zarko stay where he is at LCRI.
Keep doing what he's doing. Yeah, it's, it's, it's Join me
and you got to get it together, son.
Yeah. No, I was.
I was. Trying to cut you some slack as

(41:53):
a as a as a double world champion but Nah man.
Like granted this accident wasn't his fault but.
I don't care whether it was his fault or not, but that's what I
said to you. He's crashed so much again.
Like you mentioned, the boy who cries wolf cries wolf so many
times and and there's no wolf. But when they finally turns up,
a wolf turns up. No one's going to believe you.

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No one believes him. And I'm.
I'm not really sorry. Yeah, I think him and Alex,
Reince shouldn't be on the grid next year.
Yeah, it was bad, you know, Far.I don't even mention Reince.
There was 10, only 10. Only 10 riders finished the
race, only 10 riders. I believe that's one of the

(42:35):
lowest of since probably in the modern era.
I think the guy look. Alex, Reince.
Alex, Reince. Alex Reince does not deserve to
be on that Yamaha next next year.
And if Yamaha keeps him, they'renot serious about moving forward
right now. Who's who's on?
Who's on the second he? Hasn't been the same rider.

(42:57):
Look, right now who would who, who's the the Yamaha riders?
You have me. I'd rather promote Miguel
Olivera, Olivera. I'd rather make promote Olivera
into that that second factory right seat.
That's not going to happen. That's why not.
That's not going to happen, Olivera.
Nah, that's not going to happen.But but, but we are Oliver.

(43:20):
Are we going to act like Oliver didn't really perform when he
was on the KTM? Yes he did, but he's not the
same writer. Bro.
There's a few writers on the grid.
That's not the same. Yeah, but maybe putting him in
that Yamaha seat might actually revert him back to who he he
previously was. Nah, because the Yamaha that

(43:40):
that even Jack Miller are on is good enough for him to show
potential. Bro going in the factory team
ain't going to all of a sudden propel you up to be in for Fabio
Carter. They got the he has a motorcycle
because that's how you get promoted to the factory.
If we're giving you a full factory spec back, you have to
show us something bro. We ain't going to go off KTMS
what you did at KTM, unless you had won three world championship

(44:02):
for him then then he only has. Six points.
Yeah, six points. That's not good, dude.
That's. Yeah, he was injured.
Give him after cutting he he wasinjured right, but he is his
luck man he's just got bad luck Miguel Olivier and most of the
time when he when he's when he get caught up he reminds me of
Danny Pedro so he's always injured as soon as Meg Meg

(44:25):
Olivier is in a is in any form accidents or mishaps injuries.
So I I can't see him in effect in the in the full factory team.
Well, I just. Alex wins and sure on mayor
shouldn't be on the grid for next year but you touched on him
earlier. Pekka Bagnay Magnaya didn't
score a point in the Prince race, which is again is

(44:45):
terrible. Should he be criticized?
More for his performances this. Year, of course.
So then why is he? Why is he?
Somewhat being let off the hook by everyone because he's a nice
guy. He hasn't, he hasn't, he hasn't
there. There's nothing with ever rider,
right? There's a probably only two

(45:08):
riders that on the grid after top guys, right.
Who's been on the Moto GP grid? Excluding the rookies, there's
probably only Alex Marquez, Peko, Fabio, Quatararo, Fabio,
Digging, Antonio and was There'sone more.
Riders that. Really, you could say you've

(45:31):
never heard anything about them,whereas that make you look at
them like, would that be Alex? Marcus is just guilty by
association because he's a from what I understand, he's a good
chap. Well, pekko, Pekko.
Is that is. The, the, the, the gentleman of
the paddock, right? I've never heard anyone say
Pekko said or did anything that they, you know, whether it's

(45:52):
true arrogance, whether it's behind the scenes of the team
that's around him. I've never heard anything about
Pekko, right? And.
I'm not sure, I'm just. Saying maybe I'm, I'm reaching,
maybe that's just the reason whypeople for some reason they have
a soft spot for Petco, whereas like they fail to criticize him
as they would. Do anyone?

(46:12):
Else because if say for instance, just to give you an
example, Mark Marquez winning now.
If mark comes. Around next year and Petco is is
beating him. Mark won't get the same grace if
he says the motorcycle isn't working for me.
Wrong or right? I think I wouldn't agree with
that because Mark Mark has. Enough credit in the bank to be
offered that. Because when you said it on the

(46:33):
Ducati, when he was on the Honda, he got Grace.
He was giving grace. He wasn't criticized, overly
criticized for his performances on the the Honda.
Yeah, because because the problem with the Honda.
Is that he was the only one performing on it.
So at that point you're like, OK, we could see that you're a
top talent and if it's not working for you, you're still,
this is the difference with Markand Pickle, which is why I said

(46:54):
Mark would not get any grace on a Ducati.
Even when in his even when the Honda was bad, he was still top
Honda. So if the top guy.
Saying, well, it's not. Working and then you look at
four other riders that it's not working for that makes a lot of
sense. If you're looking at the top
eight time world champion and he's on a Ducati and then he's

(47:15):
the third string of four now. Nah bro, you're eight time.
What are you talking about? Your other three guys are are
doing the business. Go check yourself.
That's what they're not doing with Pekko.
Pekko is even now it looks like Didya seems like he found a way
forward with the GP25 and I could see DJ beating Peco on

(47:37):
pace a couple more race a coupleof races before the season ends,
right, because for some reason he's because he's providing.
This is what I what I like. Like from what I'm seeing with
DJ Compriet to Peco, I get it. Not everyone is adaptable as a
Mark Marquez a certain race, right?
What I'm looking at is DJ had anissue where he said, hey, I
cannot find a one lap pace. That's where my issue is.

(48:01):
We're 11 races in and the past two races you could see where
Digi has made some progress up the grid on his one lap pace.
Makes sense. Yeah.
So he's seemed to be. Making some.
Form of. Progress, but Picker hasn't made
any and that's where my issue lies.
For a two time champion, you. Must buy.

(48:21):
The 11th race in the season. Come on, man.
There should have been some progress where we could say,
well, there's a clear step between when you started, bro,
you're locked into third place. Yeah, but but.
I think there has. Been some we can see some marked
difference with Pekko and I think going back from Majello,
he looks completely different onthe bike.

(48:42):
So I think he has made somewhat made some improvements in his
performance since Majello OK this past.
Weekend was a terrible. Weekend for him.
But if you go back and you look at Asin and Mugello, his
performances look completely different.
He looked like he's definitely made a step and everybody has

(49:02):
seen it. You know, he he looks like the
Peck of all on the bike. Was he?
Yeah, to some extent. This is unless.
Unless we are great in progress of.
Different things bro, DJ and Antonio made.
Progress. He's up the grid from.
Where we're used to qualify, that's progress.
Peko ain't moved third place. The whole.
Season. No, he hasn't.

(49:24):
Moved in the in the championshipyou.
Mean even in the races, he's still finishing third.
Even on a bad day for Alex, Pekois still the third string guy,
right? So for me, I'm looking at it
like even he said I'm just locked into third.
I don't. To me, DJ, I made more step on
the GP20 more than Peko has. Fair enough, right?

(49:45):
And And. That's my issue.
I'm looking at that. We're 11 races in PEKKO, 11
races in and we don't seem Yeah,and.
And I haven't seen anything. That, that, that's convincing
me, right? Because as I said, if it was
anyone else, you would not hear the end of it.
He's getting caught a lot. Of slack he's getting.

(50:05):
They're giving him a lot of grace and I think OK.
And again. That's probably because he has
coins in the bank and again, this is the first year he's
really struggled this badly under Ducati since he joined the
team. This is his literally his worst
season on the bike so I think. In that regard.
Maybe that's where the you know,and again, who given who his

(50:29):
teammate is while people are looking at like, OK, let's just
give him a let's give him a a a a a let's not such a hard time.
But I think where where it's really going to get difficult
and maybe they shouldn't even begiving that because again, he's
losing out to Alex on a on A1A year older bike.
Like you said, it's like when, but if you look at it this.

(50:51):
Way how many races has Alex? Finished second in more than
PEKKO, right? So imagine if Mark wasn't there,
Alex would be the one winning those races.
So in that regard, you can say, you can say, yeah, you know, I
can't give you. Come on, Pekko, you should be at
least finishing second to Mark, not finishing second, third to
his brother because you won the better bike.
And let's be honest, I don't think anyone's going to say Alex

(51:13):
is a better rider than Pekko. You know what I was?
Listening to which? One of the podcast, which one of
the guys, because there's only certain people that I listen to
in the Moto GP sphere, I listen to the highly respectable guys,
guys that I respected was put intime, right?
And I don't want to quote the wrong person.
I'm not going to quote just in case I'm making a mistake,
right? They said when Ducati made
motorcycle right the one that they got no the winner right

(51:37):
they in the fold. They realized they didn't have.
A top right in their stables, right.
So obviously they designed a motorcycle that don't be
developed, right? And then Pecker was the guy the
next thing up, the next best thing that was there, right?
And the cat end up creating a motorcycle, right?

(51:58):
That if you're decent enough, you're probably going to win his
championship, right? Because when you look at it,
Pekka wasn't really, if anyone said Pekka was going to come and
win 2 championship, no one wouldhave believed it, right?
So Pekka really isn't like that guy.
And we're seeing it now, right? He's a OK guy.

(52:21):
He's decent. But he's not.
Probably 1/4 hour of talent. Right.
And it's just showing. Now I just.
Believe it's it's it's been shown up now to whereas like OK
granted the motorcycle isn't what you want it to be, it's not
AGP 24, but worst case scenario.You need to be second in.
The championship, you need to befinishing second.

(52:44):
I, I I can't see how people would argue that.
Yeah, that's, I mean, that's a fair argument.
To have to. Make worst case scenario you
need to be second even. Because it's there, there's a
picture, right? I don't want to go back
tomorrow, but just to show there's a picture where it's
like I think Matt Oxley posted it.
Mark was going, I think it was the same turn 1.

(53:05):
And you could see where you could see where the, the, the
chattering because he still getsthem.
Whereas you could see, you know,like if you slide in, if, if
you, you would see like a slide and it's a constant black line
with chattering. You see like missed.
Patches of the black it's. Just like he's still super fast,
right? And those are the little things

(53:26):
like he's adapting and he's making it work.
And Pekka the scene, Pekka the just can't adapt to what the GP
is doing and and that's it. I think that's where for me, I'm
like, well, I just can't put himat a certain level for me.
I can't put him at a. Certain level because because of
these. Things like we know the GP20,

(53:48):
it's not the GP24, get over it, it's AGP.
And The thing is now the fact that it's leading the
championship by a long shot, bro, you ain't got no coins in
the bank for Ducati to do anything, especially if DJ and
Antonio is now creeping up the grid and he's finding speed.
And if he starts? Getting ahead of Pekko for the

(54:08):
rest of the season, what do you think Ducati is going to do?
You think they're going to do anything?
Well, in what sense? In terms of changing their.
Motorcycle. You're not.
I think they will, because again.
You can't just, they can't just discard him to the side like
that. It's a guy that's been there his
entire Moto GP career, you've won two championships with him.

(54:30):
You can't just discard him because he has had a bad year on
the bike. And this is where you and I
disagree on these things. Because you look at morals.
Well, this is motorsport if Digit and Antonio.
Start beating. Pekka for the rest of the
season, how do you then turn to Gigi and say change the
motorcycle? It's crazy.
Wow. Tell me, Pekka, if you're if we

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build. Yeah, because again, because.
Because he has. Coining the again, I don't think
to say just because DG is movingup the grid, you know, just
going to ignore PEKKO. Why would you do that?
You're talking about some Yeah, but that's what that's literally
what you're saying that should ignore No Yeah, because you just
said why would that change the body?
What I'm saying to you if you asan engineer.

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Created. Something.
Right. Granted, it's not what you
created the year before or in your mind as an engineer, this
is actually better. It doesn't need tuning over a
season. We just need to just get certain
little quirks right. By the end of the season it's
going to be fully developed. It's going to be better than the
GP24. So we're seeing the progress
from what Mark has been doing this thing.
I know DGA is creeping up the grid, is creeping up the grid.

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By the time seasons end, if GigiDGA has is proven that the GP2
actually works and now he's out doing pick off from now on to
the end of the season. Let me ask you, if you're an
engineer, how do you you have that conversation?
How do you how does a writer come here and say, well, this
and then you're going to like, well, this guy?
Yeah, but again. But again, he did the thing.

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What? What are we supposed to do at
that? Yeah, but.
The the problem with that is there are.
Three different individuals withthree different needs whilst so
so again so whilst PEKKO Ichi might not be.
Encountering the same which? I think he is because what's the
name Uche? I think the guy's name for the,
the manager for quality, the Reddit Uche.

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Yeah, he's. Saying he, I, I.
Can't remember which race it wasand he basically said the same
issue that PEKKA is having with the front end is the same thing
DG is having. So again, Even so.
So even if DG moves up the grid and DG starts showing
performance and PEKKA is relatively stagnant, it's still
you're talking about. Someone that's been.

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With your team since the big hisentire motor GP career just then
that that's no, but you no, but you can't you can't say so I'm
glad that you said that. I'm glad that you said that.
No, you. Can't say hold on the thing
with. Ducati, right?
Because. I think.
What you're not getting Honda did it Or when they say on
Ducati is not gonna, you're saying there's three individual

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with three in different needs. That's the difference with
Ducati. Ducati is not making three
different motorcycles. It's not about no, I'm not
saying they're going. To make three different
motorcycles right, But you have to you have to listen to why
Pekka is saying is wrong with. The bike you have to.
Listen to what DJ is saying wrong with the bike, what Mark

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is saying, what's wrong with thebike, and from that information,
you didn't have to try and fix all of these issues so that you
can get one bike that all three people won't have.
Because if they're giving you 3 different issues they're facing
with the bike, don't you think that's a problem?
That's a harder fix. Yeah, but ultimately even though
we're. Having these issues we could see

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so Mark is an animal. You put Mark out here, right,
Doesn't it doesn't it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter because. If you, yeah, but you, but your
but your. Argument what you're trying to
say here. Is because Digi is making
improvements. The engineer shouldn't listen to
Pekka and and try to So what you're saying he's he's not
going to be in the driver's seat.
In that argument. But it's not about.

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It's not. It's not about being in the.
Driver's seat, it's about saying, look, this is where my
issues, this is the problem I'm having, and it's for them to try
and figure out, OK, because he'sa factual writer.
You can't. Just because he's not in the
driver's seat, you're not going to like try and put work in to
fix his problem. You're talking about a guy, a
guy that won your two championships.

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You don't. Just saying that.
Don't this. Just throw it aside.
You're not listening to. What I'm saying to you, listen
to what I'm saying to. You again you're saying that
because your old argument is because he's won 2 championship.
Nobody cares that that's not howthis works.
No one means. Why?
Shouldn't Why? Why would they not care?
Bro and this because? Because because you're basing
this on morality, bro, I keep telling you yeah, but moral

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sport has nothing to do with morality.
But. No it.
Does morality does. A2 time champion, yeah, but
moral season? Hold on if he goes.
All season. And he hasn't made an
improvement and you could see DJmade clear improvement.
What do you do at that point? You still you still have to try
and fix this problem. Again, you can't just say DJ
made improvement. You didn't even make any
improvements, so I'm sorry. Oh, and again, you can't this

(59:13):
this idea of yours that moralitydoesn't exist in most it's I
don't, but that's nonsense, bro.That's literally nonsense.
Because if morality didn't no, if morality didn't exist in
motorsport, wouldn't Honda have gotten rid of Mark when he was
crashing like crazy? Bro, did you you?
What are you looking? At right the difference with

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Mark and these and and pecker. No, no, no, no, forget, forget.
No, forget, no, because no, forget, no, Forget it because I
don't mean like everyone is justBarbara, what I'm saying to you.
If it's a situation because you're basing Pekka's very
existence in 2 championship, yeah, one need to championship.
So then boy, you're going to base it on actually if you're.
Engineer right? And you created.

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Something and what you have three riders even no one gave
you 2 championships in the past and you're telling me you win a
whole 40 race season and you're you're you're you're your
championship winning guy, right?In PECO you're 2.
Time champion you're. Telling me you could win 40 and
you could see that, well you have made an improvement over

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all season. We could see the second to your
guy in did you? That's that's my argument.
How do you? What do you?
What are you quantifying? Improvements as how are you
quantifying in making improvement make an improvement
is at least start beating Alex. Marcus OK, second in the
championship is OK. Would be what?
But what if that? Improvement he's made doesn't

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centres around him beating Alex Marquez, but it sent us about
how he starts to feel on the bike is how the bike he's not
able to brake, he's not able to carry corner speed, etcetera,
look after his tires, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
Because you, because your your only view of him making
improvement would solely be based on whether he can beat

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whether he starts to beat Alex or not.
Yeah, everything is is relevant.Yeah, but.
But then But then. To beat Alex.
Would also require the bike to start doing what he wants right?
Yeah, so whilst so whilst DG or he finds it.
Himself to make it to. To to be.

(01:01:21):
Adjust to start adjusting to certain things that but but hold
on a second again. Who's saying he's not making the
adjustments? We're 11 races in, right?
You didn't answer. You didn't.
You didn't answer the question. Who's to say he's not actually
making adjustments to the bike? But even with the adjustments,
he's still not getting what he wants from the bike.
So your argument be that you letme ask you, do you think?

(01:01:43):
The ducat? No, you haven't answered the
question. You haven't answered the
question. You asked your question again.
What's? To say he's.
Not making. Adjustments to riding the bike
but even with the adjustments he's making he's still having
the same problem Well, that's well that's he's.
Going to have to figure it out bro I don't know how to answer
that question. You would have to answer that

(01:02:04):
exactly. So we can't.
So we can't blanketly. Say he's not trying to make any
adjustments to what's going on with the bike, or he's not
actually improved. Because like I said to.
You if you look at him from Asin, from Mugello up to Asin
again, even in the race on Sunday, he didn't look as bad

(01:02:25):
as. The the the.
The previous he races because hewas literally on Alex.
Did. Yes.
No, no, he did when he would have finished sixth, bro.
Yeah, and Alex would have finished fifth.
Yeah, that's that's the. Thing, he's just coming out for
injury. I couldn't live with that, No,
but. When he's again, he's qualified

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11th and he would have finished 6th.
Alex qualified what, 8th you said?
Yeah. And finished.
He made-up three spots. OK, So peko would spots.
So peko. Would have made-up more.
Spots than him, as you'd expect.He's, he's on a, he's on a
Ducati, bro. Like, come on.
Yeah. But we've again, that's that's
the part. Beside the part my what I'm
trying to say to you here is we keep trying to put put forth

(01:03:11):
this argument like Peko is unwilling to try things to do
with something different. He literally wrote a different
chassis over the weekend, so that tells you he's trying to do
different things so he can get back to where he was on, where
he felt the by being comforted. That's where he's feeling and
maybe you and again. You know why I.

(01:03:33):
Say that that's. Exactly what Yamaha used to do
until until Fabio told him, yo, let's leave the motorcycle,
leave what we got, leave the baser in and over to I'll, I'll
adjust it over time. So and that's what you need to
and and I'll and it and it didn't change.
His results, right? Oh, Fabio, Yeah.
She's trying to tell me that, Fabio Qatar.
This yam this year isn't that. Different Fabio than last year.

(01:03:54):
He's not no really, but you but you can't your.
Statement doesn't relate to thisyear.
The bike he's on this year is better than the one he's he was
on last year. So you're staying?
He hasn't touched it, that's what I'm saying.
When he started, he said leave. The motorcycle, no, they've
made, they've made, they've madechanges.
To that motorcycle since since the start of the year, this has
when he started it, they've they've.

(01:04:15):
And again. This is from his mouth bro.
I'm not bro. But I'm telling you but.
I'm telling you, they've taken up.
Bro they've made so that's the. Point so then.
So they've made changes to the bike since then.
They've not just left it as always.
Said what? When he started he could have
said, yo, I don't. Like that chance to change it,
like he just said, leave the motorcycle what we've got, Let's
work on this and build on this. So he's not chopping and

(01:04:38):
changing. He's remaining consistent with
what he started with and gradually building through.
OK. But again, but OK, that's his
approach. But.
Pekko wants to find something, so he's willing to do something
different. He is willing to try a different
chassis so we can't look. My general argument here is
right again, I'm not, I've, I'veno dog in this Pekko fight

(01:04:59):
because I'm not. I like the guy because I think
he's a, he's a, he's a decent human being.
He's a good rider. That's it.
He's not my favorite. You know where my lawyer is
like, but my argument is trying to be spun.
The narrative is trying to be spun that he's not trying to do
anything. He's not trying to adapt to to

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what I don't think he's doing that he's trying.
I think he's not the the argument.
Is that he's not very adaptable.Again, how do we know?
Who do we know? That the performance what we're
seeing is as. A result of him being.
Adapting and that his performance could be far worse
than this if he didn't try and adapt.
Hell no, we ain't going to buy that he started the season.

(01:05:40):
Just like this, we ain't going to buy that.
But again, like I said, if you go and look at it again, third.
And again, and if you look at, if you ignore last week and you
go and look at Hassan and you goand look at Mujelle, you cannot
tell me that there's not been a stark difference in those two
races compared to the previous eight races we we had up until

(01:06:00):
that point. So it's clear there's something
has changed. He has had a a somewhat, he has
made some improvements with the bike, but it's not enough but to
but your argument. Talking about this has.
His limit bro. Maybe this is just why are you?
So reticent. Just actually.
Thinking you know what? Maybe maybe this is what you,

(01:06:21):
you, you, you're hell bent on saying.
I'm glad that you because it's exactly what we started the
topic on. This is the first rider,
championship win rider I've seenpeople making so many essays and
giving all the excuses in the book as to why he's he's starred
in the championship. This is the first rider I have.
You said something early, you said.
Early something in the chat and I said I was going going to come

(01:06:42):
back and use it against you and I can't remember what it was.
I should have made a note of what you said when I mentioned
Joanne Mir, when I said when I went back and joined.
Mir and I said, well, it's toughon him.
No, it wasn't that. It was something else.
But again, we're not. I'm not trying to make excuses
for Peko here because I've literally admitted that his
performance is this year's not been good enough.

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And again, for someone of his talent, he shouldn't be.
He should be second in the championship.
He's not currently not in second.
Obviously we know he's crashed out to some races and he's had
issues, etcetera, etcetera. But the point I'm trying to make
here is in his defense, Pick only had one DNF bro OK.
Silverstone, but also. In Did he score points?

(01:07:26):
In Le Mons because did he not get taken out in?
Le Mons, Yeah. Le Mon OK, the main race, right?
Yeah, he got and I think he did.He didn't he know.
No, he scored points in the Sprint.
I believe he scored points in the Sprint, the main race.
He got that because he was involved in that collision with
Zarko, that Zarko manager. Yeah.

(01:07:46):
By Steve. Yeah.
Yeah. So what I'm trying to say is in
his defence, right, We can't. The guy is literally.
Trying. I don't.
Think he's just sitting there thinking well, it is what it is.
I'm not. He's literally trying stuff.
He's willing to try an experimental chassis that tells
you he wants to he wants to try and get on top of his issues.

(01:08:09):
But why are we not saying that he isn't?
No but but but. But listening to what you're.
Saying I'm, I'm I'm making, I'm making the argument that, you
know, maybe he's doing everything and you just and your
thing is just saying just like flat or actually trying to go,
you know what, maybe, but your argument is no, maybe this is
where this is where his talent level is at.

(01:08:31):
Maybe they we don't know, but you know, I said, maybe this is
his limit on this motorcycle. It could.
Be his limit. Why can't it be and again and
again and again? So then why can't let me ask
you, why can't it be potentially?
It's it's very possible. This could be his limit.
It could be his limit on this motorcycle.
Yeah, on this motorcycle. But that doesn't mean then you
when you because Digi makes progress again, the engineers

(01:08:55):
will come and they're like, well, Digi made progress on the
bike. You didn't make any progress on
the bike. That means he then somehow his
needs, the issues that he encountered this year just gets
overlooked. This is.
This is. This is.
This is why? The problem that I'm having this
is even when you talk to his bosses, right whenever they do
interviews, they'll you could see they're they're trying, you

(01:09:16):
know, we've tried everything exactly at one point, Tardas to
say. It's in his.
Head right early in the season. It's in his head because we've
tried. We've turned that motorcycle in
and out, right. But Tardatzi was wrong in saying
that. Right at some point.
You got to just ride the motorcycle.
Yeah, but maybe this is his limit.

(01:09:36):
But Tardatzi was wrong in sayingthat and.
Digi and what I can never pronounce his name, Uche, that's
how he that's how he pronounced Uche.
What Uchi said that Digi's Digi's having the same issues
that Pekka is having because Pekka's issue main issue with
the bike is the front end, 'cause he said it doesn't matter
which tyre he puts on, he puts on the bike doesn't feel any

(01:09:59):
different to him. That's where his problem is.
It's the and Digi hold on. And Uchi in his interview with I
Can't Remember the Race with Susie Perry and Neil Hudson said
the same thing, Said the issue that Peko is having with the
front end is the exact same DG issue that DG is having.
But DG has managed to find something that allows it not to

(01:10:23):
affect him as much as it does PEP.
You don't see an issue with thaton the grand scheme of things?
Again, on the grand scheme, again you don't see an.
Issue with that again, DG might have found something that
allowed, not that it doesn't. It doesn't.
Affect him as much. That's what Pekka is trying to
find, but he has yet to find that I'm actually on the grand

(01:10:44):
scheme of things right with. All the resources that PEKKA has
got available to him. That's what I'm saying to you.
We need the optics of it. Doesn't look good bro.
No one says it did, but no one said it did.
When you when you talk about thethe the VR40.
Six team right doesn't have halfthe resources of the faction.
Yeah, yeah, but yeah. So if if it's a situation
whereas like whereas. But DJ Antoni is.

(01:11:07):
Finding these things right and then you're a factory guy with
all the resources, Everything wegot in the back, everything we
got back at the factory. Doing the optics is not good,
big bro. No one says no, but no one, no
one is arguing. That the optics hold on and
that's what I'm saying to you atthe end of the day.
It's probably gets a little bit tricky for him once it comes
down to where where. They're putting resources how

(01:11:31):
they're developing. Stuff going forward, right, I
just personally think that's going to be an issue.
Well, maybe, maybe. But again.
Like I said to. You like like bro like.
What do you do at this point? Yeah, but again, you're talking
about. You're talking about a guy that.
Want you to chat you have to youyou owe it to him you owe it to

(01:11:54):
him to at least no one owed you nothing yes to do because.
Yes to. Do.
Come on, man, Don't say that. Don't say that They owe it to
him. No one owes you anything.
Yes, they do. They do.
Even his own. Team bar His own team boss has
said they owe it to him. His own team said that.
Then how can you say they don't?No one owes you anything.

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His own team boss has come out and said they owe it to Pekko to
get the bike to get the bike right.
So how can you say nobody owes you anything bro?
No one owes you anything that. But his team?
In this, in the world, In this world.
Of professionals. Most things, No one owes you
anything, bro. But it yeah, they're going to
say that. Because what?

(01:12:35):
Yes. Because there's nothing we could
do. His own team.
Boss has come out and said that owe him.
That owe it's they owe it to himto make sure to give him a good
a bite that he's comfortable writing don't Red Bull owe
Christian honor for what he did but they still.
Fired him. Despite everything, they still
fired him. No, Christian that that that's a
complete that that's not. You can't make that comparison,

(01:12:56):
right? Yes, but I'm saying to you, no,
you are not going. To Christian Horner wasn't fired
based on performance. Christian Horner fired was
political. Now, I'm not saying Pecker's
thing does. This I'm saying to you,
ultimately, when it comes on to it, no one owes you anything in
any any far any any walks of life that no one owes you
anything. So ultimately, yeah, they could

(01:13:17):
be like, you know what, you gaveus 2 championship, let's see
with it. But let me ask you this because
we're only talking about one thing.
How long did now that you realize that you need Sprint
wins to win a championship? How long you think Ducati is
going to tolerate? Do you really need Sprint wins
to win championship? Yes, you do.
Really. How did my How many races did
my? Team win last year.
Not as much as EP races, not as much as Becca.

(01:13:40):
Exactly you need, you know, you know.
This is how important Sprint wins are.
If Mark, if it was, if you're just looking at Sprint wins,
Mark would have been fifth in the championship or six.
What do you mean? Because.
Sprint we don't give you. 12 points if you remove his.
If you remove his uh. His his Grand Prix wins and just
put his tally up, his Sprint races, he would be up there in

(01:14:02):
the championship. Sprint wins.
Yes, you need them to win a. Championship.
I don't think so. I don't think you need to.
Win the Sprint. Was it last year?
Yeah. You talked, We got proof.
Yeah, but but how many races didPekka crashed out of?
Last year I don't think, I don'tthink you need Sprint.
I don't need, I don't think it's, it's a mandate because
again, if Mark finishes second in every Sprint race this year,

(01:14:25):
if he finishes second. In every Sprint race.
Right. But wins more races, more main
races than Alex. He wins the championship, Yeah.
So let me ask you this SO. Now so remove because let's
remove Mark because he's he's consistent in both, right?
So you're telling me if it was aAlex Marcus situation where a

(01:14:45):
Pekko is is is him and Mark AlexDing Dong and right first and
2nd, 1st and 2nd and Alex be racking up the Sprint wins and
Pekko be lingering down in the back and not scoring points.
Yeah, again. That's again.
Again bro. That only works if if Alex is
winning races and Pecker is not scoring points in the Sprint
race. You're saying you need Sprint

(01:15:06):
races to win Sprint races to winthe championship.
And I'm saying you don't necessarily have to win them,
win the Sprint races to win the championship.
You just need to make sure because again, the Sprint race
is only 12 points. You only get 12 points As for.
A Sprint win, something comes. Like what we saw with Martin, He
was good. On Yeah, but yeah, but The thing
is. But Pekko.
Crashed out to Sprint races and he crashed out to main races.

(01:15:29):
That's I don't it's not a case of he didn't win enough Sprint
races. Why he lost the championship.
No, it's because he crashed out to some Sprint and he crashed
out to some main races. So you're telling me if Peck, if
Pekko wins? Every single race of a season,
right? And and the next challenger
behind him finished his second in every race.
But Pekka doesn't score in sprints.

(01:15:50):
Who's championing that scenario again you're talking about?
You just said if. Pekka doesn't.
Score any points in the Sprint races then obviously the very
likely. No, it's not very likely.
The the bra come. On be sensible bra, there's no
way a picker is going to go go an entire season that don't
score points that that's not understand to you based on what
it's not likely it's. Not likely.

(01:16:11):
It's not likely. That's probably a reason.
So let me ask you this. I'm saying to you.
You need this in this Moto GP. Unless you're dominating on
Sundays, you need no no what youwhat you need to.
Say is what you need to say is you need to score points in the
Sprint races. You don't what?
You don't need to win the Sprintraces, you just need to make
sure if you're opponent you needto win Braster you need.

(01:16:34):
Sprint races. Sprint races are important.
That's what I I did not say no, you say you need to win Sprint
races. No, I said in this.
Era where Sprint races are important.
No the original part, no the beginning.
You said you need to win Sprint races to win the championship.
Not necessarily win, but you need.
No, that's what you said because.
You no, you said you need. To win Sprint races, to win the
championship, Because that's what Martin did.
No, but that's what I'm saying and that's the point I was

(01:16:55):
trying to make. Sprint races are important, but
you don't need to win a Sprint race.
You just need to know if Mark, if Mark wins a Sprint race, you
finished second in the split race, losing 2 points to him in
the Sprint race and three. But then if you go on and win
the main race, right, you score two more points than him.
So, so, so you so you basically OK, so again, winning the start

(01:17:19):
a point, no, but you. Still you, still end you.
Still score more points than than him overall that weekend.
Because it's going to be what? 30. 4 to 32, so you still
outscore him over the weekend. So you don't necessarily need
to. That's the point I'm trying to
make. But the Sprint races are
important. That will be important because

(01:17:40):
yeah, it's 37 points every race weekend maximum making yes.
So that's what I'm saying to you.
We're going in the SO more. The GP whereas yeah, so you so
you, your argument should what you should.
Have said was you need to perform in the Sprint races to
win the championship because if you don't, you're not going to
win it unless you win every single race.
I may have misspoke. I may have said win, but

(01:18:00):
announces. A win.
Sprint races are very important,yeah.
And And that's. And that's not what and again.
That's not why Pecker last last year.
It wasn't just because of the Sprint races, but that's what
that's why Martin won. No.
Because pecker one Sprint. Races as well as finished on the
podium and yeah, pecker one Sprint races as well as finished

(01:18:21):
on the podium in Sprint races. Martin won the championship by
10 points. That means so and if it's it's
three points difference for a Sprint for a first and a second
in a Sprint race. So that means Martin would have
had to have won. And he how many Sprint races did
Martin? Win.
I don't remember because I'm sure he won.

(01:18:43):
He's got the most for a season. I think it's 9 but I'm.
Not sure if he's OK. So he won nine.
So that means that means he. Would have had to have wait,
Pecker would have had to have won five.
He would have had to have won four more than Pecker.
If you're just going, if you're saying it's a Sprint, because
again, you can't just say it's the Sprint.
No, I'm not saying bro. I did not say that.
I'm saying. To you, the reason why Martin,
last year the Sprint was part ofit because it did not win as

(01:19:06):
many so in the race but but it has, but obviously we obviously
won the Sprint. That he won up, that he racked
up, it helped him won that. Championship.
Yeah, naturally it will, becauseit's.
Which is why I might. Which is why my initial argument
is that. We're in a Moto GP era, whereas
like you have to perform in sprints and I'm asking you but.
This but then when you look but.Then when you look at this, when
you. Look at Sprint, go back and you

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look at the Sprint record last year, he may not have won as
many as. Martin.
But he was consistently finishing on the podium.
But Martin. Yeah, was he not he?
Broke The thing is moving away. That's what I'm.
Saying to you, so Pekka, no longer is that luxury to linger
around where he's lingering. We're not.
We're not disputing. No, no one's disputing.

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That he what his performance in this year's Sprint race is
acceptable. The point I'm trying to make
here is when people say Martin won last year's Sprint
championship because of Sprint races, it gives the impression
that Pecker was absolutely dark shit in the sprit races when he
wasn't. He won races last year sprints
and finish on the podium consistently with Martin so

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that's not really why. It's the overall picture of why
Martin won the championship is cannot just be put down to
basically because what he did ona Saturday.
Bro you you listen linear bro. You listen in a Monet, bro.
Do I have to really break thingsif I say that?
You know, I'm talking about contribution.
The Sprint was very important toMartin winning champ the

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championship last year. Everyone knows that.
His performance in the Sprint, again, there's a difference.
I don't. No one's listening.
Break it. No, You understand what I'm
saying? No, no, no.
What I'm saying. To you is if you listen.
To people talk, people say the only reason why Martin won the
championship last year was because of Sprint races.
Well, they, I don't know what they're saying that's.
Part of it, that's a very Of course it has to be part of it

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because it's literally. Part of the championship.
So to go back to it's just like,it's just like in world.
Super bike. The the Super Bowl, there's
Super Bike used to be two races a weekend.
No, no, they've they've got theyinserted the Super Bowl, which
is a shorter race, 3 races. So Sprint.
No Super Bowl is called. It's not.
Sprint Super. Bowl where you Where you finish

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in the top nine determines whereyou start for the the second
main race on the Sunday. So it's, it's once the points
are included, it's not like for,it's not like Formula One where
you don't have spirit. You only have Sprint races for
what, 6 races? I believe it is this year, 6
races, Sprint races, is it everyweekend in Moto GP just like it

(01:21:37):
is in Super Bike. So obviously the whole it's the
totality of it that counts. We can't just separate one from
the other. As I said, it went along on this
my. Point that I'm trying to is that
how long if this Sprint performance continue for PECO,
how long does Ducati tolerate it?
Again, this is his worst year inthe Sprint.
Is it not? Is it not?
Yeah. OK.
So, so and again and this is also his worst year on the

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performance on the Ducati, right?
Yeah, OK. So.
The SO then asking the question.How long Ducati would tolerate
his his performance in the Sprint?
I don't know why that's a question because again, this is
the first time he's actually been performing subpar on a
Ducati since he joined the team.So again, and you know, and

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Ducati and Ducati has already acknowledged that there's issues
that he's got issues that they're trying to get to the
bottom of. So if it's a case of where they
fix the bike and he's happy withthe bike and then his
performances in the spring are as bad as they are this year,
just so speaking in future tensenext year, right?

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And they're just as bad as they are this year.
And Ducati is going to come to him and say, yo, what are you
doing, bro? You have we've literally fixed
the bike. You're performing a much better
now. Why is your Sprint race
performance that took badly? Because again, last year he had
a small. Tank, but he.
Was still winning races in the sprints and he was still
finishing on the podium. This year it's infinitely worse.

(01:23:09):
So all so asking that question Ithink.
It's it's a bit. Premature to me personally, I
think it's a bit premature to ask that question no, because
again, this is the first time he's actually been this.
This is what called Ducati. A lot of the other like the.
Preliers, they've caught up. Our Ducati writers have caught
up, right? And that's going to be his

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issue. Well, he has to make massive
improvements again. How do we know?
Hola, Martin. Is coming back if.
What Bez is doing under Ducati, under a preliers, anything to go
by? If Martin takes a couple of
races to get up to speed, it's going to take Martin a good
while to get back, get up to speed and.
Get to where it's anywhere it's hey man, I don't even.

(01:23:52):
Want to go longer and pick up, but he's you got to get
together, bro, and I think he gets a lot of grace because he's
a nice guy I don't I was expecting more a lot more.
I'm disappointed. Yeah, I'm disappointed.
Yeah, because. Because.
I my. Thing going into the the season
was I didn't expect him to beat Mark over a season, but what I
expected expected from him was for him to challenge Mark, let

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Mark work for it, let Mark have to.
Go beyond. Go to his hundred days where he
has to go beyond and go to the extreme right.
And like you said, Mark? Said.
When he starts to push, that's when he makes mistakes now.
When he stops pushing? When he starts?
When? He makes his mistakes.

(01:24:36):
OK, whichever is. Because.
Because look at this right. Just to move on from Pico real
quick, what I was expecting, right?
I didn't, I expected Mark to dominate him, right, right.
Because as I said, I don't see Pico.
At the level a lot. Of people see, right, So I
expect him to get dominated, butnot as much as this, I would

(01:24:58):
say. I was saying that OK, let's see
how Mark goes at certain tracks that he doesn't perform well,
right. So I was looking at OK first
case scenario it. Might intrument I'd.
Say Qatar, right, that's coming into the season.
But then I I really sat and I thought like I had to reassess
that and then just had to just jump out and I'm like, you know

(01:25:18):
what, man, I don't see you. I see you struggling to beat
mark because you're just I just don't see him at that level,
right. And worst case, I expected to
win at least Modello your home race, maybe San Marino that's
coming up. But for me it's I'm not
surprised. I wasn't even, even if Alex
wasn't in. The way.

(01:25:38):
Right, I would probably. Still see seen seen him.
Finish second at most the races already.
I didn't. Like I said I my.
Expectation was simple as this. I just want I expected him to
give Mark a run for his money. I didn't I didn't I don't think
he would have beaten him over the season, but I think Mark
would have gotten a more a harder challenge than more

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pushed him harder than any otherhis previous teammates.
Yeah, I think if. I think are.
Things being well if the bike, if Pecker was felt comfortable
as on the bike like he did on the GP24, I don't think Mark
would be as. Far away in the Championship.
As he is right now, I don't because I genuinely.

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Think. Because one of the criticism
people had with Pecker was he was easy to rough up once you
rough him up. He withdraws.
And then he basically he doesn'tlike want to fight.
But we saw it last year in Yerres.
We saw it again this year in didhappen in Yerres as well.

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And we saw what happened in in Mugello.
So it's not a case of we've, we've.
That show that look. He's not scared of going to toe
to toe with Mark and that's why I was hoping to see him do this
year and unfortunately that's not going to happen.
Will it happen next year? I hope next year it's a
different thing for him. I hope next year the bike is

(01:27:03):
what he wants and it allows him to perform how he wants 'cause
then you can't, you have no excuses.
You can't, can't then say, oh, the bike was this, you know, I
had this front end issue, this chattering issue 'cause remember
you said it. The issue could be to do with
the small change they made with the engine.
It could be that, we don't know and if it's something to do with

(01:27:25):
the engine, they can't really domuch about it anymore.
That's it, because I believe theengine is homologated.
So that's it. He's just going to have to carry
it on for the rest of the year. The GP think it's the engine
itself. I think that was where.
Where it's bolted into this new chassis, it's exactly and
there's not much they can do. There's a bunch.
Of Gremlin. That's just little stuff.
Exactly. So it's it's like it has that

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snowball. Effect, it's one and it just
grow and becomes an avalanche for him.
This is where I'm going to end on the Petco.
Situation. I'll give you excuses, right?
I'll say you know what? Yeah.
I get it even when Mark was riding on.
The I think it was 20. 14 He went into the last Test, I think
it was Qatar and that it only itwas only in that last evening

(01:28:08):
that he actually found somethingright last dash and it's when
they change the era. So I understand some of that
motorcycle. There was that point when I.
Think, I think it was the same 24 mark run a hybrid.
Remember when he won that run the hybrid motorcycle?
Yeah, yeah, it was. Was what, 23 and 20?
4 by piece together. No, no, not in this recent time.
No, no, one of the championship.Win by was the hybrid?

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Was it 13 or 14 by the piece? 2 by I.
Think it was together yeah so I get that but what I'm.
Not going to give Peko, right? I'm not going to give Peko 20.
Well, 40 is it? 40 races in total.
The championship is how many races.
Our 23 races, we're having 23 weekends.
Hold on, let me just double check.

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There's my laptop moving. Like crackhead, it's moving.
Slowly 22 so that's 24 race that's 44 races 44 so I'm not
gonna. Give you 22 race weekends, 44
races. Yes, I'm not gonna give you.
Let's let's move the Sprint for.Now, right, let's say. 22 race.
I'm not going to give you 22 racism excuses bro and grace.

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I'm sorry I'm not doing it. I could give you the 1st.
Half of the season. But I'm not going to come to the
end of the season telling and and and and actually, oh, this
and Nah, I'll give you the because I get it.
You know, I get it. It's just like with anything,
even if one sometime you start out the current where you want
it to be, but you get to the halfway points of upgrades come,

(01:29:37):
you know what I'm saying? You click right as a top driver.
Or a top writer. I'm not giving pickle. 22
weekends excuses in Graceboro. I'm not doing it.
So now I'm not brutal yet. I'm not brutal yet.
Wait until the season ends. Fair enough if he hasn't picked
it up. At the end of the season.
I'm not. Giving A2 a three time world

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champion a whole season's Graceboro.
Let's think about what we what what we're let's think about it
for a second. What?
What other world championing anyeven even even as bad as the.
Even though Lewis changed team. Bro, they're giving it to him,
bro, because what? It's an expectation of who you
are, right? It's an expectation, bro.
And I don't think Pekko should be exempt from that.

(01:30:21):
No, not at all. He's not.
No one is. Above criticism?
Yeah, because no one is above Lewis is getting it.
And we could really say, well, Lewis is is new to the Ferrari
team, give give him at least a season, you know what I'm
saying? Because of what he.
Is he's a seven time world. Champion that comes with
something, right? So for me.

(01:30:43):
I'll give Pekka. The first half, so we're going
and I'm giving it. So Bruno, the next race, which
is going, we're going to discussreal quick.
That's the next race season's summertime.
So Pekka better come back with. Something from now on.
To the end of the season becauseI'm not criticizing me.
This is this is me being mild. This is me being mild, bro.
I don't think any rider, especially a three time world
champion, deserves a whole season of grace.

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I mean, Lewis got a whole seasonfor 22 so.
Who's got a whole season for 22?So I'm so yeah, but that's it.
I'm. Peko love the.
Guy, but you just need to get ittogether right.
You did make, we did mention himearlier, Acosta.
I'll let I'll let you run with that one.
Yeah. I mean, look, we're not going to
spend. Too long on this because I'm

(01:31:25):
I'm. We're pretty much running out of
time, but we've had this discussion.
Before and I said to you my problem.
Is Pedro, Pedro Costes? He crashes too much.
He has all the talent in the world, but he crashes too much
and he crashes out of good positions.
It's not like he's crashing from15th.

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He's crashing out when he's in, probably sometimes in the top
five. He's crashing out of races and
for. As good as.
He is. And as quick.
As he is, that becomes a problem.
What's that you? What's he saying?
About you can. Teach it.
What's it something about teacher?
You can't Teacher, Teacher crasher.

(01:32:06):
Not to you. A crasher could learn how to
crash, but you can't. Teach a slow rider to be fast.
Yeah, but I don't. That's special saving grace.
Is it? I don't even.
Think it's a saving grace because I think.
Even if he's on a better bike he's he's probably still it's
just in him to crash. I wouldn't say that I'll
disagree. This is year, this is year 2,
right? Yeah, this is this is year.

(01:32:27):
Two on a super difficult. Motorcycle, we got to put that
in the context, OK, so championship with motorcycle,
OK, we're. Not going to comprehend to Petco
the Pedro Costa is. Different, right?
Because we've known. Because we've known the KTM to
be a difficult motorcycle, We'veknown when did.
When did KTM become a difficult motorcycle?

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It's always been a difficult motorcycle.
Really. The KTM or the KTM?
Used to show flashes of brilliance.
Right. But it was never like a rounded
thing where you could say, OK, it's it's, it's arrived.
You could say that more about Aprilia than you could ever say
about the KTM. I don't know as a rounded
motorcycle, but either way, likeI said, you know where.
My thing is, and I've been saying this for forever, he

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crashes too much and at some point you're going the quest,
you're going to have to start some.
He needs to be sat down and like, dude, what are you doing
year? 1.
You can accept year. One you can accept.
That but you're in year 2 now even though the yes, the bike is
difficult, but then is this not where?

(01:33:33):
You learn to. Adjust because again, it's a
similar argument for Peco, right?
Peco needs to needs to adjust his riding style to deal with
whatever issues the Ducatis and surely whatever issues the KT
KTM has. Granted he's the leading KTM of
the four KTMS on the grid, He's still the top KTM rider and I

(01:33:56):
and he he's currently what he's currently he's just maybe it's
some bad luck for Maverick. He's he's currently. 8th in the
Championship. If we're being honest, he
should. He should have been ahead of
Morbidelli and even Bizecki if we're being honest.
But he's but he's. Giving away points.
This is. Where I'm going to draw the.

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Line between him and Pekko last year he came in the more.
In Moto GP on a difficult. Motorcycle, right, He's still on
a difficult motorcycle. So in that case in being a.
Rookie last year, I'll give. If I see this type of things
next year, so. So that means then you're
willing to give him a A? Year's worth worth of it leeway

(01:34:39):
then yeah, because he's because he's not a.
Motor GP he hasn't been on. His motorcycle enough, but
that's that's. Pedro.
You can't compute the Pedro. Anyone.
No, no, no. What I'm trying to say.
What I'm trying to do here is the same expectations if the
expectation is for Pekko to adjust to the issues he's

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having. On the bike.
Then the expectation should be the same for Pedro, even though
he came in with a bike. Hold on, even though he came
with a bike, that's difficult. OK, It's not the first year,
it's your second year riding thebike.
So you so you're familiar with the limitations of the bike now,
right? So you should make adjustments
accordingly. Last year you get that grace

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because again, it was new to you, you're not familiar with
it. This year, it's your second year
on it. So you know where the
limitations are. Why you think what KTM they keep
changing their? Motorcycle broke.
No, that's a difference. With them, it's not a matter of.
It's not a matter of thing, but again, if he'd learn if it's his
second year on the bike, KTM keep.
I mean OK then you said KTM keepmaking changes.

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Why does he not do what? Do what Quatuora did, tell them
leave the bike as it is and we and now I'll I'll do what I need
to do. This is This is why I I'll give.
I'll give Pedro or Grace and I'll bring him into next year.
Different to PECO. I could see where the the the
the KTM has regressed to the point where not even Brad Binder

(01:36:11):
can perform on a thing. And Brad Binder was Mr. KTM
himself. So the fact that your motorcycle
program, it's it's regressed, itmeans that Pedro job is 10 times
as hard, which is why I, I, I I'm.
Cutting more slack? Than I'd cut Pekko.
Yeah, the bikers regressed. How so?

(01:36:31):
Because Brad, bro. Brad Binder.
Can't even do what he used to doon the KTM computer.
OK, but but. Of the two riders, who are the?
Better rider of the two. Brad Binder or Pedro?
Who is the better of the two? Yeah, Pedro, you would say.
Pedro based on talent, right, OK.
So I've been There's a graft about what I'm saying to you.
Brad Binder used to be the guy you could see.

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When was the last time he saw Brad Binder anywhere close to
the top five? Yeah, but that was then.
So now Pecker's come in and he has unserved him in that regard.
So now he's the benchmark for the K team, not Brad Binder.
You know that Brad Binder finisher had a Pedro last year,
right? Yes, but and.
Again, why did he finish ahead of Pedro last year?

(01:37:14):
Or crushing. OK, so now we're.
In year 2. Right.
Yeah, but you cut and no hold. On hold.
On You can't do that to Pedro. You have to look at the.
Project. Look at the project that Pekko
is on is a known winning machine.
Again, we're not doing right. It's a whole different project.
No, we're not talking. About the project what I'm
trying to say. Here is right if we're going to

(01:37:35):
say Pekko needs to adjust to thebike.
Based on the difficulties. He's having then Pedro Costa.
Should also adjust because. Pedro Pedro knows this bike is a
difficult bike. He rode it last year.
Pecker's riding a bike that's wasn't difficult last year.
So. So for Pecker, it's a bigger
surprise. That's what I keep telling you

(01:37:57):
bro, Hold on. The bike that Pedro is on is not
the same. Motorcycle as the last.
Year. That's the issue, KTM.
Did a bunch of changes to their motorcycle so.
And again, the engine might be the same.
But then the project is a. Total different for again, but
then a lot of things that are different then.
I OK and. This is.
Where your words are coming back, I'm using your own words
against you. Then Pedro should do what Fabio

(01:38:20):
Quatiwara has done with the Yamaand said to them, look, don't
make any changes to the bike. Leave it as it is and I'll do
XYZ. He did that because he think he.
Returned to the last year. 'S motorcycle who?
Our last year chassis, he did itat one point throughout the
season so far. Who?
Pedro? OK.
So so you give him credit for? Switching to a different

(01:38:43):
chassis, right? You're trying to compare Pedro
and Pekko. We're not going.
To do that bro no what I'm trying to I'm trying to compare.
Your words because what what it sounds like because I'm looking
at the two riders in different parts of their.
Career bro Why? Pedro is a second year Moto GP
rider right? So he disagreed with.
Why are you looking at where they are in in terms of the

(01:39:04):
current? Because one of them has got way
more Moto GP. Riding experience way more.
OK, OK, but then. But then shouldn't you?
Cannot. You cannot deny.
Track hours, Track arm laps. OK, you cannot deny that that's
but. A big benefit.
Track, then track but then OK but.
Then should that not then be reasons why PEKKA should be

(01:39:26):
offered some more a bit? More grace because.
Again, he's been here long enough so he knows what's a good
bike, What does a good bike feels like, and if he's saying
something's wrong with a bike, why he's on a good bike.
What do you mean by what a good bike feels like?
He's. On a great motorcycle.
Again, not for him. Mark, it's a great.
For Mark, it's a great motorcycle because Mark never
rode the GP24, pecker rode the GP24, so he knows what a really

(01:39:50):
good bike feels like yeah, and the GP24 is still not winning
the. Championship, right Again,
that's beside, that's beside. It's not a ball.
When it that's beside the point.The point I'm trying, the
comparison I'm trying to draw here is Pekka knows what a good
bike feels like for him. The GP. 25 is not a good.

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Bike because it doesn't doesn't get the same feeling from it
like he got from the GP24 Mark Mark doesn't have a problem with
the GP25. If Mark was on the GP20, mark
would probably be be performing the same way because mark
because again, you said there's not that much difference between
the GP24 and the GP25. But for Pekko, Alex never rode

(01:40:31):
the GP24 until this year. So Pekko, of the three guys at
the front, Pekko is the only oneto have ridden the 23, the 24
and the 25, right? Yeah.
And for him. The 24 is terrible.
But for Mark the 25, the 25 is terrible.
But for Mark, the 25 is great because the only thing he has
the. Benchmark it against is the. 23,

(01:40:55):
yeah, Echo's benchmark in the 25against the 24 and he's saying
for him the 25 is not that greata buy because it doesn't get the
same feel from compared to the 24.
You'd have expected that as an evolution because again, the
evolution of the 24, he could tell you, OK, he told you the 24
was much better than the 23 because he felt the evolution.

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He's not feeling the evolution between the 24 and the 25, hence
why he's saying he's having these issues.
I can't say that because Mark never rode the 24 other than
him. He did at the end of the
Valencia test at the end of the season.
So he only rode it for a short period of time.
Pecker rode the 24 for a whole entire year and he was he was

(01:41:39):
there from the whole throughout the whole development process.
Mark rode the 24 when it was it come to its development cycle,
so it's pretty much perfect then.
So for. Peko, when Peko says, look, the
25 is not. I don't like the 25 because I
don't get the feel that I got from it.
I can't feel the evolution. Don't need to smart, can't say

(01:42:01):
that. Because mark comparisons.
The 23 and the 25. Hold on, hold on.
How do we get back to even Mark and Pickle?
OK, OK, but the point I'm tryingto make so.
So going back to the whole Pedrothing, what I'm trying to, I'm
cutting Pedro more slack than I could pickle.
Yeah, but what you're saying is?And the reason?
Why you're cutting Pedro more slack is because you're saying
Pedro is riding a KTM. That's really difficult, right?

(01:42:24):
A really difficult bike to. Ride and.
I'm saying This is why I'm usingyour words against you.
If that's the case. This is year 2.
It's not year one, year one. We can cut him slack because
that's he's a rookie. He hasn't got the experience.
This is year 2, no. So he has a year riding that
bike. So he knows the limitations of
what he can and can't do on thatbike because he knows if I do

(01:42:46):
this, this is, this is what's going to be the outcome.
I'm going to crash. So I can't do that.
So I'm going to have to let me figure out, let him.
He needs to make that adjustmentso he doesn't crash, right?
He knows that bike. He knows the difficulty.
So he should have come into thisyear with the with those
adjustments because he knows that's the carrier.

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That was a bad bite last year. I'm on a bad bite this year.
Pekka was on a good bite last year for him and this year he's
on a bad bike for him. So it's a different thing.
So they're coming from two different that.
Perspective. Pekka knows that Most
experienced guy. More slack bro.
There's there's nothing. Difficult in that to understand,
but you're but you're only OK, fine.

(01:43:31):
Yeah, I'm not sure why even comparing.
Them one of them is a second. Year I'm not comparing them what
I'm what I'm comparing. Is you're I'm you've no class of
clarified it why you're doing that.
You're doing it based on experience.
You're you're willing. Yeah, you could.
Anyone. You act black.
Pedro Acosta. Which one?
Yeah, he's a second year rider, probably ain't got in his feet,
but he's just not adjusting as fast, right?

(01:43:53):
But he's still a fast rider. He just needs to iron out some
kinks. Echo is yeah.
How many years in a Ducati? How many years in MotoGP?
I think he when did he come in 1720?
1819 just give me a second, I'llI'll tell you.
He came in on the Primark in 2018 I think.
He came in on the Primark, OK. I think he came in on the
Primark in twenty 18/20/2019 OK.So 2019 he came in on the.

(01:44:16):
Primark, where we know here. So six years, yeah, I'm not
going to do that with a, with a second year rather.
Compared to a. Six year veteran.
Bro, I'm drunk. I don't want you.
I don't. Want you.
I don't. Want you to compare them.
What I'm looking at is a bit of fairness.
Because if you're saying. That, you know, Pekka should
make adjustments so he's performing and if, and again,

(01:44:40):
like I said, I'm not saying thatPedro, Pedro.
Shouldn't I'm saying that I'm? Cutting Pedro more slack.
So you, so you're willing. So you're willing to give?
Pedro a whole entire year worth of compared to a six year rider,
yes, OK. Every day.
OK, so when? So when would you want this
this? Side that, you know what you're
going to start? Criticize Pedro.
No, Pedro. Pedro.

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Pedro for me, right? I'm giving Pedro, I want to see
what he does next year, right? So OK, so because I know the
project that they are on. Wait, because I'm looking.
At the overall picture, bro, you're looking at one thing I'm
looking at, the team is in, the motorcycle is riding.
It's a regressing thing. The KTM has not improved this
year, right to the point where as because as I said, go back to

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Mark with the Honda when Eve when Honda was bad, the guy who
was do stuff on it, which is Mark Marquez would still do
stuff on it in its worst times, right In the KTM foe that was
Brad Binder. Now the KTM has regressed so
much, Brad Binder cannot even get a good result out of the
thing. So to me that Mike has
regressed. Yeah, but again, Brad Binder was

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a senior. Rider last year, but no one
really thought he was the betterof the two riders.
I'm not talking about who's better.
He's the one that. Used to do the business on the
bike that's what I'm looking at he was the one and now it
regressively like well, if Brad Binder can't even get a good
result out of this bike as a veteran in that as a veteran
who's been riding that bike fromtime right I'm.

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Looking at Petra like. OK, I'll cut you some slack
because if it was a situation where Brad Binder was still
doing what he does on the KTM and I'm like, OK, the KTM looks
like it's still, it's still, it's still got a little thing
going on, then I'll look at Pedro, like, yeah, bro, you need
to get together. But Mr. KT himself can't even do
nothing on the KTM, right? In terms of the only thing
that's I would say I'm surprisedby a Maverick on the KTM, right?

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The only thing that's beating Maverick?
Is just, he's just, he's just bad.
Luck, right? But Pedro after.
I have to cut him a little slack, man.
He's a second year rider and I don't expect him.
I'm not not going to cut pecker the same graces I'm a six year
vet as I'm going to cut a secondyear rider.
Bro that that would be just crazy of me.
That would be crazy of me to do that next year.

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That's it for him. You you better get it together.
OK, cool. Right.
But Amy? But I'll give it to him, but
with the rumours. Surrounding the room.
The rumours that he could end upon AVR 46 next year, we know
who's is it DJ? We know DJ is on a.
He's on a Ducati contract, isn'the?
Yeah, I think so. Yeah, he's under.

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Ducati him and. Fermin.
Are on Ducati contracts yeah right.
So he's so if he's going to end up on AVR 4 to say morbid deli
is currently well, where is Morbid deli in the standings?
Morbidli is currently fifth yeah, but Morbidli is fifth in
the championship. How do you how do you yeah, but
how do you make the case to get rid of Morbidli?

(01:47:29):
Hey, it doesn't matter. They don't have to make no case.
Why? Not let's give him a map give.
Him a bunch of money and send him over to he's.
Only three points behind DG is Morbidelli.
Going to win your championship. He's never been on a bike to win
your. Championship.
No. He's.
Not going to win your championship, Pedro Casa.
Is way more upside than Frankie Morbidelli, bro.
So that's that's a easy spot. OK, that's a easy spot you.

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Gotta you. So you think if you think if
these these rumours are true, then they should get rid of then
it's more likely Morbidelli going to lose his seat.
Yeah, yeah. It's easy.
That's not difficult. All right.
Then cool, let's see why, because you got to remember you.
Could be fifth in the championship.
Right. But are you going to be fifth in
the Championship every year? Am I going to get that from you

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every year? No, you're not going to get it
from Frankie Mobile every year. But you don't know if you're
going to get that from Pedro either.
You don't know if you're going to excite.
Yeah, but you? Don't know if you're going.
To get that from Pedro either, yeah, he might have more.
That's a crazy argument because you never know.
Exactly what you got to go off is Pedro, phenomenal talent.
That's the question. Was Mark Marcus a phenomenal

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talent? Was Valentina Rossi a phenomenal
talent? Lorenzo, All of these guys and
they end up proving themselves right.
It's the same thing. So when you're looking at that
Pedro, Frankie is not a pet. He's he didn't came in what
Pedro is coming in. Well, we've seen, we've seen
phenomenal talents not prove. Himself either as well.
Name of the last one that that came with that type.

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Of pedigree that didn't prove themselves.
There's not been a Pedro like that, right?
So as Pedro. Yeah, if you think about it, if.
You really look at Moto. GP the only riders who really
came in like with that fanfare, like really like this is the guy
it's been Rossi, Mark and Pedro.Let's check it over the years.
Hey, this is the next guy. It's been Rossi, Marquez and now

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Pedro Acosta, and these are the this.
Crazy enough. These are the only three riders.
That's one boat. Moto 3 and Moto Well 125.
At the time for Rossi and. Mark, they did the double, Pedro
did the double. No one else has done it.
OK, well, let's see. Right, so.
He's got the pedigree. Which is why you would have to

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bet on him because he's got thatif you, because if you look at
history, well, Rossi did it, Mark did it.
He's the only guy that came in as hot as these guys.
So you would have to bet on him,right?
If it fails, it fails. But you'd be crazy not to not to
bet on. Him.
Fabio came in with that, but Fabio didn't, didn't, didn't,
didn't, didn't do what he was supposed to do in the lower
categories, right, Because they had to change.

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The rules for Fabio so. Fabio and but yeah, that's it,
I'm Pedro because we got a rap. But I got one more thing I got
to ask you. Speaking of Fabio Cuaturaro, you
say sometime and I see how they,hey, what if Fabio gets on a
Ducati and I'm looking at like, well.
If. We already admit Fabio took the
bag. Fabio took the bag with Yama.

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You can't blame him, though. Because if his management.
Was if Fabio really wanted to get another Ducati?
Fabio probably would have been another Ducati because he had a
pedicure. Cats knock and look at his door.
Huh? But which Ducati would he have
been on? At this point it it doesn't
matter. Right.
I think it does, because I don'tthink he was.
Going to get a factor. Right, right.

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You're telling me that you wouldn't?
Think if Fabio. Really went knocking.
He probably, he probably wouldn't have got like a primate
seat or something at some point.Yeah, that's that's that.
Yeah, again. But he wouldn't have gotten a
factory, right? Why wouldn't he though?
Because at that. Because at that.
Time. The conversation was.
And the next. Person possibly moving up to the
Ducati factory team was Jorge Martin.

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Yeah. So Fabio wouldn't have gotten a
factory Ducati seat because theyweren't prospective recruit was
going to be Jorge Martin. So Fabio, So the most most Fabio
would have gotten was a satellite team, probably end up
in a situation similar to DJ or Fermin where he's on a satellite
team with a factory bite. But what I need that case.

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What do you do? Again, you did look at.
It's good enough for you. To win races, No.
Matter what, Look. At it you are on.
Yeah, but again, if he. Find.
And then it opens doors. Bro, let's keep.
It a buck, yeah, but would. But would it be good enough to?
Win him the championship again, we don't know.
We don't know what we don't haveto win the championship in the
satellite team where you just need to.

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Perform whereas the the factory team is looking at it like whoa
because if well, hold up a second of satellite bike, hold
up a second. But hold up a second.
Jorge Martin. Wanted enough satellite team and
he didn't get a factory ride Ducati.
No, that's what I'm saying to you bro.
Listen to what? Listen to what I'm.
Saying Fabio could have fought if Fabio really wanted to get
into Ducati's table, right, If he really wanted to, with his

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talent and the fact that he's a world champion, there's no way,
you tell me Ducati turn him away.
He wasn't going to get, he wasn't going to get a fact.
In the factory team, you do you do realize that probably.
That would have changed the whole trajectory of Mark, right,
if Fabio had found himself in a Ducati, but he was that.
But that's, you know, that's the.
Point I'm trying to make, he wasn't going to get into the

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factory team because well, you can't say that bro, because
saying that. Because listen to me, he's a
world. Champion and he's got listen to
me, listen to me bro, listen, listen to me because you go back
and you listen to the conversations in 2320220324 very
next. Person up in that Ducati?

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Seat to partner call. The talk was Jorge Martin.
Yes, OK, so the likelihood of Fabio saunting his way up to the
front of that queue wasn't wasn't there, but the like, no,

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it was let's let's be honest, OK, let's be honest here,
because the let's let's be honest here.
And we we had this discussion before, you know, the reason why
Mark got that fact, you see, waspretty much he forced to cut his
hand, right? We can all agree on that, right?
Because because the con because the conversation at the was the

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conversation at the time was Mark would have stayed was for
Mark to stay in the Grassini team, right And be given AGP 25
and Mark says he does not want to stay in the know the story.
Yeah, he let me finish. He does not.
Want to be in a satellite team. He wants to be in the factory

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team because because that old argument Martin was going to get
the factory right at Ducati and the fact that Mark says yo is
either I get the factory ride orI retire pretty much forced the
the the Ducatis. If Mark was happy to stay at
Grassini and take the GP25, Jorge Martin would have been in

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the factory team right now. So let me ask you this, would
you say in all of. That what did Mark do that based
on what give it what gave him again, Mark used Mark.
Used his his record, what he hasachieved in the sport, Let let
me well again, that's a different you can't based on his
performance on the GP. Again, even on the Jeep.

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Against the boss. Dude, listen to me man.
Even whilst he was not. Performing on the GP strained
the point. You're not getting.
I'm not, you're not, you're not,you're not letting.
Me finish. Even wise because you're not,
you're still strained from so I'm saying to you.
What he did with Honda, yes, buthe's still performed on the GP.
So my argument again that he performed on the no one's.
No one's arguing again, you're not listening.

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Yes, he performed well on the GPwhen he finished.
My point bro, finish. Your point, I'm saying to you if
Fabio. Had found himself.
On a satellite Ducati, which is as good as another Ducati,
right, And performed, put in theresults and performed, it would
have given him enough clout to say no, it wouldn't have no, it
wouldn't have no it. Wouldn't have.

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No, it wouldn't have. You know why it wouldn't have?
Because he because you're comparing A7 time world champion
to a guy that won 1 championship.
So Mark has more clout. Let me finish.
Mark has more clout to play withthat championship.
Martin wasn't a champion at the time.
Bro what? Are you talking about, I'm
talking about Mark, I said. Mark.

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No, we're not talking about market.
I'm saying to you. Fabio when?
When? When did When did?
Fabio when? Did Fabio resign his renew his
contract with with Ducati? With Yamaha?
Was it 2 years ago 23? 23 yeah, right.
And when it when and. When when did?
When who was who were who were the title championship in?
23 Martine and and and pickle. OK.

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Right. But at the same.
Time. What that did, that's what.
I'm saying to you, if Peck Cuatro really wanted to find
himself as a Ducati, everyone put Fabiana Ducati, but he was
never enough. But but there's some but.
He could have, if he had gotten there very much any.
Ambassador Nini wasn't performing on the factory Ducati
right? So even if in OK, wait, Fabio

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found himself, what year wasn't?It wasn't what year best in he
wasn't performing on the factoryDucati.
I said he never performed on thefactory between the.
Office great results came under the under under Grassini bro two
years he got one of the years hewas injured for most of the time
and then he just didn't perform that he just showed so so where
did where did OK. But he was injured.
But when he was, you tell me so.Bastini didn't win any races on

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the fractured Ducati. His performance was
underwhelming for a fractured ride.
Which is why he lost his seat. The goal he lost his seat to
Mark. He lost his seat.
To Mark, he was going. To lose his seat to.
Martin, they didn't renew. Him.
What are you talking about? So.
So again, so. Now let me give you my Fabio
such scenario. So if Fabio had found himself on

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a Ducati, right, with Bastini, they're not performing.
Even if Martin end up going to the factory team and Fabio
performing whichever the Ducati teams he's in, right, whether
that be Gracini or whatever, nowhe's probably was going to get,
he could have gotten the primateDucati right, right.
Ducati Baro would assign. Him of like your prime.
Actually, we're going to. Give you Fabio Quatararo.

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So now Fabio Quataro is in the argue Martin position in a prime
act team with Martin and and pick a factory team, right, But
that's so that's literally the argument I made.
I said. To you, he wasn't going to get a
factory ride. The more likely outcome, if he
wanted to go get a Ducati ride in 23, he was going to be on a
satellite. Ducati money.

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That's a different when you signa Ducati, you get Ducati money.
You're not getting Pramac money,you're getting Ducati money.
What does it matter? But but hold up a second.
But but hold up a second, what you just said.
Martin won on the Pramac so. Why?
But hold up a second bro. Listen to what?
Listen, listen to what I'm saying to you.
We're not talking about winning.What I'm saying to you.
If Mark, if only Ducati, Fabio would have found himself and

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Quattora would have found himself and would have been a
fact, would have been a customerDucat customer team.
It was never going to be in the meeting.
It could be a primate, right? Yeah, but that's that's little
what I said. To you, it's a customer.
Team, that's literally said to you, the only thing let me, let
me no, that's little what I saidto you.
He wasn't going to get a factory.
He wasn't going to get a factory.
Right. He was going to get, he was

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going to get a similar, I said to he's going to be in a
situation similar to DG and Fermin whereby it it wouldn't be
a, I don't think it would have been a Ducati contract.
But if a woman he would have been, he would have been in a
customer team on a on a factory bike, but he won't have the same

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support as the main factory riders.
He would have had the support that Martin got.
That just won the championship, so you're basically saying what
I'm saying, it doesn't matter, but the different.
But the different. But yeah, no.
But it might. Have seemed because it it's a
factory ride he wanted. You would have wanted a factor,
right? You're telling me that you,
Robert, you. You tell me that, Fabio.

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Would rather stay in Yama and struggle in mid pack rather than
write a primer that can win him a championship.
That's literally what you signedup for.
That's what you did. I don't want to hear that. 20
year old put. Fabian A Ducati because.
If he really, that's why I said if he wanted a Ducati, he could
have gotten and gotten a Ducati.Yeah, but he wouldn't have
gotten the But he wouldn't. But he.
Wouldn't have, but that's the that's what I'm trying to say to
you. He wouldn't have gotten the
Ducati he wanted, just like, oh,Mark could have stayed just

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like, oh, Mark could have stayedat Grassini and gotten a gotten
a GP25. But what did he say?
He doesn't want to ride for a satellite team.
He went, Mark, went to a satellite team Mark.
Had no choice but to go to a satellite.
Team, that's what I'm saying to you because Mark had two.
Because. Because.
Man still got his contract big bro.
What? Man could have stayed at on and

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collect. That's what I said took the
back, but even but even then theHonda wasn't the Honda wasn't.
The what? Honda.
But that's what I'm saying to you.
It doesn't matter, Marcus. Was on a big contract.
He caught that to say, you know what, let me go try this second
hand motorcycle right to get to where I need to get to.
So Fabio chose the money. If he really wanted a Ducati, he
would have been on a Ducati. Bro, let's keep, let's be

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honest, no, I've never. I've never, I've never.
I've never not said Fabio took the money over the over, over
anything else and and I don't blame him for and I don't blame
him for take the money. What I'm saying, this is what's
going on in motors. GPS here, Fabio.
Put him on a bro. If I don't, you know what?
I've been on a Ducati. You know what?
I've never seen that argument. I've never seen that argument

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where people say put Fabio on a Ducati.
I've always said I've, I've pretty much seen people say, yo,
if Fabio was, if that Yama was abetter bike, as good as the
Ducati. And I I.
Think I said it in the last partin what was that?
Was that? What was the last one Asin?
I think I said it in the. Asin look.

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If Fabio was in a bite that was anywhere as good as that Ducati,
he'd be giving Mark problems andI think that's the conversation
I don't. Think anyone's?
Realistic in saying put Fabio ona Ducati because we don't know
if he's going to hold. He'd perform on a Ducati, might
go on a Ducati and be arse, but on a Yamaha?
We know for a. Fact.

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If that Yamaha is good, Fabio isgoing to be lethal.
He's going to be there. I just think Fabio could have
been. What Martin is, that's just, I
don't know about that. I don't know.
I don't know about that. I don't know about that.
Is is Fabio more talented? Rather than Martin?
Yeah, I'd say so, yeah. Yes, he is.
So. I get it he took the bag but bro

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he's young and the. Thing is, good morning.
At this age, taking the money ismade more sense because if it
doesn't work out, he's still. He's still young.
Enough where Mark is what 32 andhe's look what he's doing on a
Ducati. Fabio is what, 20?
God, I can't remember how old islet me find out.
I think like 26 I. Think he's like 26 now.

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Well then, he was born 99. 1999.So he's what, 26 so.
He's still relative. So he's still, he's still only
just starting to hit somewhat. The prime is prime years.
Yeah. Have you seen the guys that are
coming up? Don't say.
What have you seen? The guy?
None. None of the guys.
Coming up scares Fabio. Bro to me are better than Fabio

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when I look at it. Bro, I just.
Always think, man, if you if you, you should be gunning to
get the best if you're about this racing thing and about
wanting to be champion and be that guy, but he won.
He he wanted it would. It would have been, I would have
been more pissed off if he hadn't already won a

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championship, but the fact that he won a championship, it made
sense for him to take the money.You secured the bag because
you've. Already won a championship.
If you didn't win a championshipand you went for the money when
you could have gone somewhere else and then take a chip,
that's why, that's why that's the.
Baddest thing be as much. As he's not my guy wanting with
Valley and the 93, the 46 and the 93, the man is all about

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racing. The money will come.
Yeah, again, got to respect those guys.
Yeah, but. These guys again, but these guys
won championships. That's why the money came.
Fabio just won 1 championship. And that's.
That's no that that's the time the money started to come after
his his only championship. So Wyden and again, it's a
factory team he's in. Yeah.

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You have to remember, you know. You have to remember, you know,
because you. Talk about Martin.
Martin started his career in a what?
A satellite team. Satellite team when Fabio came.
In where was he? Satellite team.
Who did you write for? Yeah, Patronus.
Patronus. Yeah.
Yeah, True. So.

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I just personally think. Fabio, Fabio don't want to
smoke, bro. Fabio, don't.
Want to smoke? All right, you don't want to
smoke. Well, you know, because with
that talent, bro, there's no waythat's all we say.
You got to your. Managers, if it's your little
friend out, bro, you got to havemanagers who are going to put
you like, yeah, but unless you listen, you know what?
Find me the most money on the grid.
If that's. What you're writing for cool,

(02:04:22):
No, but coolers. Right.
But if? But if Yama is throwing.
But if yes, throwing the book athim, the back, the back, the
check at him and like, yo, you want to check because I'm sure
Fabio is getting as much money as Mark, right?
Fabio is one of the highest. Look at look at the contracts
aren't really big money contracts.
Yeah, so, so I'm I'm sure Fabio is making.

(02:04:44):
At least 20 mil a year, I think.Hell no.
No, making no 20 mil a year, Hell, he's definitely, he's
definitely making bank though. He's making bank.
He drives. He drives on McLaren.
Bro, like he's making money, bro, right?
Fabi is Fabi is just right now Fabi is taken aback.
I don't get it. I can't be mad at it.

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But for those who are talking about it, Lauda, the the Fabiana
Ducati thing, if he wanted to bein a Ducati, he would have, you
would have had his mouth and then go knock on those doors.
And get him one of those Nice. Fractured Ducati, right?
So right now, because once you prove yourself on a satellite,
you probably unless it's like a mark, whereas like, yeah, but
that. But that's that's how he ended
up. That's how he ended.
Up at Yammer because he proved himself on the Yammer.

(02:05:27):
He's got the chips, right what I'm saying, but hold on at.
The same time, right, Right. Hold on.
I'm reading this now, Fabio Qatar.
Is reported in the highest paid multi GP rider earning estimated
€12 million per year. Yeah, 12 million, yeah.
So he took the bag and again, nothing wrong with that.
Because he already won a championship and again, he's

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still relatively young, so he's not that argument because he's
not one. One fix and he still caught his
multi. Million which?
Was with dwarf what Fabio did. The difference here is Mark was
on a bike that's. Trying to kill him and on a bike
that wasn't showing any progressthrough at that time.
So why? Why retired me bro?
But hold on. But when Holland.
Also you have. To factor in when Mark signed

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that contract, it's not like he signed it when the.
Duke, the Honda was. Terrible, right?
So he signed it? No, but no.
But what I'm saying is Mark signed his contract when the
Honda was the Honda when he was good on the Honda, right?
Same way Fabio signed his contract when that Yamo was not

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good 20. Three he won.
When did he win the championship?
He won the championship in 2121.Yeah, because Pekka won in 22.
23. So he won in in 21 so and I
believe he signed his contract in 2323.
So that Yama was a dog. At that point, because remember

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people was. Like, why didn't he sign back
with Yama? Yeah, it must be money because
remember, remember, I probably went for him again.
Like I said, yeah, I went for him.
Again, you can't. But I'm really a messed up too.
I'm almost up but. When you look on it in the
grand. Scheme of things again, he's 26
years old. He's not, he's not, he's not 34
or 35. He's 26.

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So he's his prime years are still ahead of him.
He's, if I'm not mistaken, he's younger than Pekko, right?
Yeah, and he's younger than Martin, right?
OK is what Pekka is 20? Eight.
Yeah. Pekka turned 20.
Pekka turned 28 in January. Jorge Martin is what Jorge

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Martin is. Hold on.
Jorge Martin is 27 No 27. He turned 20.
Seven in January as well, so Fabio is still relatively young
in Moto GP terms, taking the money to stay at.
It's not like again. He's a world champion like you
said, if he if the Ducat, the Yamaha thing.

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Doesn't work out. He can go somewhere else.
Ducat Honda will take him. I just say I respect it.
I respect it. I just think.
That when you're about this life, bro, you go find the best
motorcycle. And yeah, but again, I have
championships. But he's already won a champion.
He's already won. I don't want.
Your current to be a. What if I don't want your
current to be that? Well, if.
It can't be a what if, but it can't be Peko.

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Was if Cuatro was on the Ducati?But nothing would have happened
bro. But but his career can't be a
what if because he. Already won a championship?
No, I'm saying his career can't be a what if.
We need to talk about the Ducati.
History this purple. Patcher Ducati is having I don't
want to hear no if Peck if Qatarbecause he could have gone
there. So that's my thing.
He he could have got he would have gone to a satellite team

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or. Wouldn't have gone to a factory
team, that's what I'm saying. It doesn't matter.
We just saw a. Satellite back when it does not
matter with Ducati money. You didn't see a satellite bike,
Eric? Or either way, yeah, Either way
within the satellite team, Yeah,but he was.
There's no. Where there's no there's nowhere
where I see Fabio quarter which the whole.
Paddock now is super. Talented not get a look at the

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contract. If he really went and pushed for
it, probably the money won't be the same, but everyone knows
that when you talk about the talent pool.
Fabio's top three, maybe top 2 under grid right now.
Yep. Which is why.
Which is why. When you say, which is why?
When you just said look at who'scoming up, I laugh because none
of nobody's coming up better than Fabio right now.

(02:09:28):
Nobody, right? There's no Pedro.
Costa is not. Better than Fabio, right?
Now let's be honest, there's nobody coming to the right
Pedro. Pedro is more.
Pedro is better, Pedro is more. Talented from what, Fabio?
All right, Let's let's, let's, let's.
Go to rate the race. Let's go to rate the race
because yeah, we're not going toget into this because yeah,
we're not. No.
What are you basically on, though?

(02:09:50):
You got to look at. What Pedro When Pedro came,
Pedro came with. He can do this.
He could do that, right man. 1125 in his rookie season
monitoring his rookie season yeah mine won in his rookie
season mine went to motor 2 sametrajectory as mark almost won it
in his in his in his in his rookie year didn't win it go on

(02:10:11):
to win it in the second year right.
So far Pedro has proven that what I came with, I come with
the smoke. He did that.
Fabio came in with the same thing didn't do it in I have a
category probably only came goodwhen he got on a motor GP bike.
We can already see that that Acosta is is good has got more

(02:10:31):
GP speed. He's not slow, he's got more GP
speed. So it's just a matter of
whenever he irons that out right.
So of course, talent wise, Pedrois one of the most talented
we've seen on the grid since markets, bro.
All right, cool. Still die.
We're not. Going to never mind but anyway
let's see what the race because I can hear Ace in the background
making noise. My mom want him want his food

(02:10:51):
bro. So rate the race.
I give it a 4 1/2 or A10. It was boring and tripping bro.
Just with. What with with?
With all the. The the the yeah, I get the
rate. I get the race at six, bro.
I get the race at six. All right then cool.
You get. 6 I watch race for I'd only.
Watch races for the the the finishing.
Of the grid. I watch the race for intensity

(02:11:12):
as well and that weight race wasa bit dicey.
That's the spring. And then Sunday with it was a
race of attrition bro. So I mean only 1010 riders
finished the race. Rough.
So I'll give it a six. Right, because me, the way I
look at the races, it's not all the way to finish.
It's about the intensity becauseI tweeted it.

(02:11:34):
And to be to be a Marcus fan is it's rough, bro.
I could tell you that much, right?
It's a rough situation to be in because even with that speed,
you know you're going to get something.
He'll just be like, he does havehim to, to, to, to, to fuck
around and find out at times, right.
So even though I'm watching thatrace, I'm like, so it was
intense. It was an intense race because.

(02:11:54):
Because when you see people that's crashing, you never know
who's next. So that's why I give it a six.
Yeah. But no one, no one has.
Think Mark. Was going to crash, but anyway,
yeah, cool. Bruna coming up.
First time in five years. Martin returns.
Yeah, Martin. Returns.
I'm not really. I don't really have much.
Expectation for him he's. Going to I think he's going to
struggle because obvious it's going to take.

(02:12:17):
Him some while to get up to. Speed because he's he might be
fit but he's not more to GP fit right now so it's going to take
him some while to get up to speed and I want to see I want
to see how the the relationship evolved with him and Aprilia no
after all that rigmarole becausethat situation still has not
been resolved as yet yeah and he's going to have to he's.

(02:12:38):
Basically going to have to go goreclaim his spot because
Bazeki's the man in that team right now.
Which yeah, race win podiums. Yeah, Martin is going to have to
go. In and just humble himself right
Yep he's going to humble himselfas you can hear people my my
little baby he's awake yeah wellyou know as I said.

(02:12:58):
I'm a Family Guy. I'm.
Not going to hide my kids and lock.
Them in a room or or in a. Tunnel or somewhere so I could
do a podcast. You're going to hear my family
in the background every now and then, which is why it's a
podcast. It's not a like a radio
broadcast podcast. It's, it's, you know, it's, it's
free reign, right? So my son just woke up.
He's trying to touch all these part this, this, this, this

(02:13:19):
equipment. But you know, shut up because I
need, I need to go and get my 10K.
Steps for today, but yeah. But yeah, let's see what I'm on
a I'm on. A7 day.
Thing I've done the knocked it off.
For the last 7. Days so only all right bro
Congrats on that let's let's let's what are your prediction
for the upcoming check Bree obviously easy win for mark

(02:13:40):
again nobody's really. So it's a case of who finishes
on the podium. I'm going, I'm going on the
podium. I'm going Peko and Fabio
Quatuaro. Fabio on the podium.
And I'm a jello like track. That's bold.
Yeah, well, you know, I'm a Fabio man.
I'm a Quatuaro dude. So I'm putting, I'm putting is
Sir Lewis Hamilton is going to win.

(02:14:01):
Racist bro. But even that way you still got
to be in the other parties. You got to be.
Subjective, bro. Yeah, and I'm being subjective,
I think. Fabio I.
Think Fabricate could spin a surprise?
Let's see what happens. I hear you.
You could spring a surprise. You never know.
Yeah, I mean, let's be honest, did anyone think Pecker was
going to finish on the podium inSaxon ring?
The thing is, where do my? Prediction from I'm not.

(02:14:23):
Taking, I'm just doing all goes well.
If permutations, coverage, weather, whatever tire blowout.
What about I'm just looking at form and I can't see I can't see
quite a row on form. I can't see him considering this
track is similar to module in terms of the speeds and stuff.
So yeah, I can't see it. What as you say, all not going

(02:14:43):
well possibly. So I'm going to put umm, I'm
going to put it going to put Mark.
I'm I'm gonna put Alex based on what he did at Saxon.
So it seems like the, the the the injury isn't, isn't causing
him too much. I'm, I'm I'm gonna put Pekko in
Asterix for 3rd to be honest, because if a summers, I think
that's the thing from 3rd onwards becomes tricky because

(02:15:06):
Bez is performing right and it'sa free flowing track and again.
It's like it's, it's, which is why, you know, yeah.
I'm gonna put I'm. Gonna put the.
Asterisk over that over over the3rd place because it could be I
got 3 riders that could finish third.
So that's Bass, Pekko and DJ allright.

(02:15:27):
There you go. Yeah, So.
So let's see what? Let's see.
What what happens first time there in five years.
So let's let's see what type of race we get.
Let's. Hope Mark doesn't bore everybody
to. Death.
Amen. Amen.
Give the man the equipment. Give them, give the man the
equipment and he's doing the business.

(02:15:50):
Yep. Right.
So it's for the rest. To to figure it out.
True, right. So.
It's like you, you. Know you just got to.
I just, I just see it as this. I don't see it as I'm just
watching greatness. Let's see how far we could push
this season and see what we get at the end and see what type of
histories is is is made that that's what I'm looking right,
right. That's that's what I'm looking

(02:16:11):
at, you know, and all right, then cool, we didn't.
Because that audio issues. Last last week, sort of the the
acid 1 didn't go out, but yeah, this dude, this, this is it Bor
Bor, yeah, yeah. So my condolences.
To, to, to. To his family once again in the

(02:16:33):
motor, in the motor, in the motor sport world, motorcycle
not a fatality. You know we never.
Want to see that you know but it's it's unfortunate that that
could happen in any given weekend right so my.
Condolence to to. To to his family and his
friends. And once again, we, the
motorsport family, I've lost another rider.

(02:16:53):
Or that Dorner is trying to washthe hands of it, which is just
nasty work. Yeah, apparently saying there
wasn't enough Marshalls. At the track on the Thursday,
what Dorner is saying is that itwasn't their event.
Their. Event started the next day, but
the event is actually on the Dorner calendar so that's just
nasty work bro. Yep I don't agree with that so

(02:17:14):
RIP my condolences and the way he died was just messed up.
It's not like he died from the crash.
He crashed. There wasn't enough.
Marshals to put out the. Flags once again, lack of
marshals. Went to get his bike and he got
hit by another rider. That's a sad way to die, bro.
It's not like he died. It's not like you.
I'm sure you could rest well if you died because of the crash,

(02:17:34):
you know? Yeah, so it was a sad.
Sad, sad situation. So my.
Condolences an RIP to him, but yeah, we're going to rap.
Here once again, thank you all for listening.
To the Grand Prix Project podcast.
It's been a pleasure doing this episode over 2 hours.
But you know, some people say they like the long form.
So if you don't like to listen in one go, just listening in
pieces. I'm quite sure a lot of people

(02:17:55):
do long journeys. So perfect.
So yeah, once again, thank you. Right.
Ace come. Here come this way.
Say thank you for listening for the grand people.
All right then, folks, that's it.
All right, cool.

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