The Pressure of Championship Racing: Lando's Challenge

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Welcome to the Grand Prix Project podcast.

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Welcome. Welcome to another episode of
the Grand Prix Project. This is the Canadian Grand Prix
Review with me, your host Andre and the big bro Thanos.
What's happening bro? What's happening?
You good? Yeah, Brian, what's good?
What's good? The usual, yeah, another another
weekend, another race review. So let's just dive straight into

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it, you know what I mean? Because I know you're probably
pressed for time. At the moment, it's the only
time I got this week to record. But yeah, we still got to get it
out. Yeah.
So, yeah, first thing, Judge springs a surprise, man.
No one saw that Mercedes for coming, right?
No, pulled it out the bag. Yeah, I think, I think maybe a
port of a second row was possibly on for them this

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weekend. But you know, to put it on pole
using also the medium tire, which I thought which confused
the whole entire weekend becausepeople were making it into Q3 on
medium tyres. George B, George, Kimmy and
Alonso, you know, that mix of medium and hard tyres into Q3 is

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kind of like unusual. I think if I remember correctly,
I think the last time I remember, I see something like
that where the the middle of therange tyre was faster than the
actual softest compound was Portugal in 2020 where Lewis
actually qualified on pole usingthe medium tyre whereby he had
to do multiple laps to get the tyres into the right operating

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win. And that was more a temperature
thing rather than anything else.So you know, Mercedes came again
and after the last three races they've had where they've pretty
much been nowhere cause in the last three races they've only
scored points in one of those three races.
Kimmy didn't score in the tripleheader.

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Kimmy didn't score any points atin the triple header.
George scored points in. Who did he score points?
Think it what was the triple header again?
It was. I honestly don't remember what
was the triple header, you know?Let me just check 'cause I can't

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remember what the trip, what it was.
So the triple header was, oh, where is it?
The triple header was Imola, Monaco and Spain, and George

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only scored. George only scored in two of
those races. He scored in Imola and he scored
a fourth place in Spain. Kimi didn't score any of those
three races as well, so they were coming in pretty much on
the back foot. But the way they bounced back
and took that pole position, as well as Kimi having his well,

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best starting position of the year so far, which is P4 as
well, you know, hats off to them.
They got the job done and did the business.
Yeah, coming off going after those horrible weekends, that's
a, that's a good bounce back of winning and a podium.
You know, and and the win and the thing about the George Wayne

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as well, he didn't look like he was ever going to lose that
race. You know what I mean?
At the start of the race, Max did keep him honest for a couple
laps, but then after that he gradually kind of just drove
away built himself for good enough to I believe at one point
the league got to about four seconds.

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I think it was over Max. So that tells you he was in a
good place with the car and Kimmy, you know, had a good race
himself. John championship lead a piastre
after the first corner away passed him.
He pulled alongside him going into turn 1:00 and 2:00 and then
took the took the position goinginto the 3/4.

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She came, you know, where Charles put it in the wall in
practice and also the infamous incident with Lewis and Seb in
2019. And he himself, you know, held
himself short, goods himself to good stead as well 'cause he
again, he resisted the efforts from the Mclarens, held his

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nerve, which, you know, he probably would have lost,
probably would have lost that position if the race had what
happened later transpired, whichwe're going to talk about next,
didn't happen. But at the same time, you know,
he didn't kept it clean. He was.
Supposed to do, kept it on the track.

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Kept it clean, kept it on the track and drove a really good
mature race for his first podiumof his F1 career and hope that
now makes him the third youngestdriver to have ever podium in
Formula One behind Stroll and Max.
So, you know, kudos to him and Ithink in some ways he's starting

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to show why Mercedes start that highly of him, you know, and
he's. Slowly, what we've been know
that from the start he's been showing that he's just.
Yeah. His luck just wasn't.
Yeah. That's not and he's starting and
he's starting to. And you have to remember he has
never driven the strike before. It's the first time he's driven
this track. Normally some of the tracks he's

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driven in in Europe, he's done. He did them in F2, but this was
not. 1F2 doesn't come this side of the world.
No, no, it doesn't actually. Yeah.
So, you know, kudos to to GeorgeMercedes.
George, you know, lived up to, again, just to reiterate,

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retrace my steps. George lived up to his Mr.
Saturday nickname on Sunday. On Saturday, again, the only man
to do a sob one minute 11 time did a one, yeah, did a 110.8,
the only one to do that. And if I'm not mistaken, I think
it's a new lap record, but I'd have to double check that.

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So Mercedes again, you know, andMercedes as a team, they're
formidable team once they get everything right and you know,
let's see what happens. I think there there could be
more wins for them as the seasonprogresses.
So let's see. Yeah, alright man, let's see if

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Mercedes could carry that through the rest of the season
if it was this track specific. Yeah, that's that's another
thing as well 'cause they've always gone well here because if
you go back to I think even in 22, I think they've they pulled
him here last year as well because George took Paul last
year and he pulled him here as well last year.
I think he got second or third. I think he got, I think he got

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third last day passed Lewis, I think he got third last year.
Let me just double check just tobe certain.
So Mercedes has yeah, he got third last year.
So Mercedes has tended to go well at this track.
So let's see if it's the and again, you know, the whole idea

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of it being temperature, whatever it is and specific.
I don't, I'm not, I don't think that was the case this weekend
because whilst the ambient air temperature wasn't that high,
the track temp was like 50. And that's really that's baking
out. And I think Mercedes whenever
they get into that sort of temperature range, they that's
when they normal struggle. But he didn't see that this

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weekend. So but again, let's see what
happens in the next one, which is next weekend.
Where's that whatever is next weekend.
Oh God, next weekend is oh, where do we see next week, next
weekend? What can I not remember this?
They're in Austria. Yes, that's where it is in

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Austria next weekend, which is I, which is basically a
back-to-back with Silverstone. Alright, let's see where that
goes. Yeah, Lando PS3.
Lando did say there's gonna be apoint that sees where they're
gonna come together. He spoke of it.
It happened. Power in the power is in the
tongue. Yep, spoke it into existence and

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yeah and and and to be and it hurt that coming together hurt
him the most because he ended upDNF ING from the race.
Oscar now has a went in with a 10 point lead.
He's not leading by 22 points, you know, and with Max finish
finished second. I think he'll Orlando lost what,

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18 points to Max? So the gap to Max and Landon now
is 21 points was previously what, 21 and 18?
That's what 39 was previously 39.
So he lost 21 points, No, 18 points to Max as well, which in

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a situation like this, you don'twant to be giving away points,
especially when you know you're having issues on a Saturday,
which then makes it your weekend, your Sunday's far more
difficult than you needed to be.So, you know, and again, I, you
know, there was you, you know, we've heard conversation.
We were in the space after the race and people were saying, you

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know, my client should have issued team orders and tell them
not to race, etcetera. And I'm like, Nah, I don't think
that would have been a fair thing for either driver given
that it's not even, we're not even halfway through the season
yet and the gap between them is only 10 points.
If it was a situation whereby Max was probably closer in the

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championship and he was the the closing end of the season and
Max was close, you know, much closer in the championship, then
you're going to say, well, I'm going to have to issue team
orders here because, you know, Idon't want to give away points.
And this goes back to something you said last couple of the
episodes ago, that McLaren couldraise themselves out of a
championship. Yep, Yep.

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Cause 'cause even though it's early in the season, right when
it, when, when you find yourselfin battle in that type of
situation, right when there is. So now you got to ask yourself,
all right, and what's the difference between them?
If, if Lando passed, if Lando had passed, yes, sure.
How many points would have wouldhave that swing?
Well, here's the thing for here and I think here's why Oscar, it

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wouldn't have been a good thing to do because I think if Lando
had gotten past Oscar maybe one or two laps prior, prior to the
incident, he would have gotten Kimmy.
I don't think Kimi would have finished on the podium because I
think Kimi was probably struggling on that last stint
and his tires plus Lando had a tire offset to Kimi of a believe

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about 7 laps I think it was. So I, and if you look at the
pace wise, I think Lando was probably the quicker of the two
drivers in the race. And if he had definitely gotten
pass Oscar, then he would have gotten Kimi.
So rather than Oscar losing 2 points to Lando, he'd have

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actually lost 5 because Lando would have finished third and
it's very likely he would have finished fifth, which is what,
10 points? So his lead would have been
halved. I've been hearing this.
I hear it a lot of time. Lando's the first in the race.
Lando's the first in the race and I'm not seeing it.
No. Well, maybe.
At that maybe at that point in the race because of of of of of

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the, I mean he had a tie offset to Oscar like with two laps.
Who Lando, Yeah, I believe so. I believe it's one or two laps.
So there wasn't really that muchdifference in it.
But if you look on the stain, I mean, because we have to also
caveat that, caveat that becausewhen Lando came out, he was
about 4 1/2 seconds behind Oscar.

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And it's that battle with Kimmy that basically brought Lando
back into contention for that position.
But either way, he still got there.
And I think, you know, I know a lot of people gave him stick for
the incident that that were coming together between the two
of them. But I can see what he was trying

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to do. And I think if Oscar had moved a
meter to his right before Lando got there, he would've actually
take taken that corner 'cause hewas going for the inside.
I think he just misjudged his closing speed because on the run
up to that last chicane to startto come on the start, finish

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straight, Lando was little aheadof Oscar.
But Oscar, what Oscar did was he'd break late.
And by breaking late, he basically compromised, meant he
was slower going into the cornerthan Lando and he had a tighter
entry to the corner. So he kind of like 90° the
corner, whilst Lando had a had amore conventional line.

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And so so when he came out, he had to run on him.
And you know, they both, even though they both had DRS that
slow entry and slow exit from Oscar.
I mean, you know, but you. Remember what we spoke about
Lando and his decision making? He said it in your space, and
you said at some point we're saying that his decisiveness
isn't there in his race craft. Once again, he proved why people

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say that about him. Right.
Yeah, I don't. Think even even even Nico
Rosberg was saying it about him.There's a lot of pro people are
saying like now this is crazy because this is where my issue
is. Even though, and this is once
again, when I say it's decision making, he makes the wrong
decisions because. Not all the time.
Going going for such a going forsuch a move, you go against, if

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you're up against a Max, you take that risk, you don't take
that risk against your teammate,but why not?
So once again, even though because the risk versus the
reward, we've seen that, right? If I'm going to raise the same,
if the same risk versus. Because he'd have wiped, he
could have wiped out his teammate.
And yeah, right. But how would it?
But then if he wipes out Max, how was that different?

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Would you rather wipe out another teammate or ever rather?
You'd rather not wipe. You'd rather not wipe out
anybody, obviously. It's going to be.
Obviously, yeah. Yeah, so.
You'd rather that quarter? Once again, you made the wrong
decision. You made you made such a
decisive decision against your teammate.
And a lot of time when he was racing Max, he wasn't doing it.
And this is where people look athim like, bro, like, where's
your head at? But I need to.

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Where's your head at, Lando? But isn't that isn't that, is it
counter intuitive? Is the word I want to use
because we argue. And again, someone I did mention
a, a, a posted a tweet about saying, you know, whilst the
move didn't come off the way he wanted to, I can see what he was

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trying to do. You know what I mean?
He was hope when he went to his left, he felt like, you know,
there was going to be enough space there or Oscar would have
moved to his right. And once Oscar moved to his
right, because he had that momentum on him already.
If Oscar moved to his right, Lando would have had the corner,
the inside for that corner. So I can see where he was going.

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I think what he did was he misjudged his closing speed.
And someone replied to me and said, well, and it goes back to
what you're just saying about his decision making.
We criticize him for not being decisive enough and we criticize
him when he tries to be decisive.
Granted, it didn't work out. So, you know, you're saying he's

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not aggressive, but the one timehe went he because I think he
raced. The the problem is he went that
way against his teammate when he.
Was yeah, but he. Wasn't doing it.
He but again bro like OK but butis that in such?
A move you took it against your teammate like that's that's the
moment you'll be like, you know what that's the moment where
you're thinking this where I'm this is going to be a high risk

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maneuver, right? And this is the moment, you know
what, let me not do this becausethat's my teammate.
And and that's The thing is he'snot processing the situation.
And that's why I said he's situationally.
He's not situationally or where Orlando is, right?
And and that's where he's falling short.
I don't agree with that and herewhy I don't agree with that
because you're saying you're saying he's not aggressive with

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Max, but he went aggressive withhis teammate would.
Would that not then mean it's a change in approach from him?
Because he could have. Because the same way he wasn't
aggressive. Yes, it is.
But the problem is even the change in approach, part of what
people are talking about, not just me, is that even that
change in approach that you take, you made that decision at

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the wrong time because it's against your teammate.
No, again, I don't agree he and again, I'm trying to explain why
I don't agree with that because again, it's the first time he
has actually raced like somebodywho wants to win the
championship, right? Because OK, he made an
aggressive move into the airplane on the same lap before

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they before they collide at the end of the lap, right.
And that's what gave him the opportunity to try to at least
try the move. Now, if he had spent the whole
time remaining of those laps behind Oscar, not even try and
make a move, we'd be on. We'd be on here saying, yeah,
why he didn't even try. No, what?

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He's just. Saying he shouldn't make a move
where where we made the move, it's probably the most riskiest
move that he could have taken. Again, but again, but again, I I
don't think it's I don't think it's the most riskiest part of
the track because because of howOscar entered, exited that
corner, that final chicane, he didn't have the momentum.

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He didn't carry the momentum into the corner.
Like I said, he braked too late,which meant he went deeper into
the corner. So he had a he had a more acute
anger entering and his exit speed was much lower whereby
Lander took the conventional entry exit at that corner.
So he had the run on him right and to hold and Oscar didn't

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even use the normal racing line on that doesn't matter.
Let me just just hear me out. Just hear me out.
Just hear me out right as he kept Landon looked at it and
thought, well, you know what? The only way I'm going to pass
is if I I can only pass him going up on the inside.
There's no way I'm going to passhim going around the outside.

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So what I'm going to do here is all right, I'm going to move to
my left. And because because how the
track is composed, you, you havethat right King.
So you're always going to come back to your right, right to get
that corner. Because if you carry, if you
carry on the trajectory that Oscar was going to go in, right,

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he'd basically turn that corner into a 90° corner, right?
So he's going to go in really it's going to basically it's
going to do like a block pass. Right.
So us, so I think what Lando thought was when he went, when
he went to his left was at some point Oscar's gonna have to move
to his right. And once he moves to his right,

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he that's his opportunity to just break later than he did.
And basically then he, he would be the one doing the block pass.
If we, if we're using Moto GP terms or super bike terms, he
would not be the one who has theinside.
And he can do that block pass, right, Because the rule states
once he has his front wheel marginally in line with the wing

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mirror or further ahead, the corner becomes his.
So I think that's what he was calculating.
But where where it became a problem for him was he misjudged
his closing speed. And I think that's what caused
the accident. And I think it's unfair to say,
you know, his decision made because again, if the move had

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put worked off, no one would be saying, oh, his decision making
was poor. We're only saying that because
because they came together, right?
And I and I used the example to you in our space after when we
said, look at the move that Oscar pulled on Lewis in Jeddah,
right? It was where he pulled that

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move, right? It's somewhere where no move, no
one has ever pulled that overtaking move before.
And in doing so, he also needed to go on the dirtiest side of
the track where all the discarded tire marbles were.
So he could have gone on there and lost.
And because it's dirty and you have all that marble on his
tires, he could have lost grip, whatever it is, and he could

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have hit the wall. Boom, his race over.
The reason why we said it was a fantastic move is because the
move came off. And that's what we're doing
here. We're saying Lando made a bad
decision, his decision made. And I'm saying, well, we only
can say that because the move didn't come up.
But if the move had come up, andagain, that's the fine line
between because you said the Oscar move wasn't risky in Jed

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and I said no, it was a risky move.
I. Said it was risky, but it wasn't
stupid. But it was, no, it was stupid,
risky and stupid. There's a there's pretty much
the Lando. Move was stupid.
No. If no, no, you.
You. Realize that when you when you
look in the space, even the prosare saying Lando made a bad
decision, right? Look and again, my point, but

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the point you know the. Problem is with Lando because
people are seeing enough sample size be like, you know, this guy
is this guy's a liability. No it's not and I don't agree
with that. And like, and This is why I'm
I'm arguing my point, right? How many races in Norway?
10. And how many mistakes have Lando
made over again over? The 10 races.
Again, just answer the question how many mistakes overall?
He has made, He has made. He has made.

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He has made plenty. But those mistakes?
Hold on. No, no.
Oh, hear me, bro. He has made me plenty mistakes.
But those mistakes came in qualifying, not during the
reason. No, no, no.
That's a different. No, No, it doesn't.
No. Hold on.
Let me finish one more time. Let me finish.
Let me finish. Let me finish.
Let me explain myself. These land of excuses is.

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Not no, I'm not making an excusefor him.
What I'm seeing here is you're saying he makes a lot of
mistakes, and I'm saying, yes, he's made mistakes, but his
mistakes aren't generally on a Saturday.
Hear me. On a Sunday.
Let me, let me finish, let me just finish.
He makes a lot of mistake on a Saturday in qualifying over a
qualifying lap. But when it comes to Sunday on a

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in a race day, he's not making any mistakes.
He's doing the right thing. He's recovering his position to
get back up to where the where he's normally supposed to be
because we saw in Miami, we saw in Spain we saw places where he
started out the position and he's recovered his drive on a

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Sundays generally good. Yeah, go on his drive on a
Sundays generally. But so when you say he makes a
lot of mistake, we have to be rather be more descriptive of
what we're talking about becausethese mistakes happen in
qualifying overseas casting him the championship, again, that's
not what we're talking about here.

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We're talking about the fact that he makes mistake.
We're not talking about white casting in the championship or
it affects his championship. We're talking about mistakes,
so. If we're not talking about.
What is it? No, what is it?
What is it? No, just the point.
No, the point what I'm trying toexplain to you is yes, he's made
mistakes in qualified. That's where on a such Saturdays

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is his problem. Over a lap, he probably doesn't
string the lap together. But on a Sunday, recently, on a
Sunday, he does the right thing.He makes.
The why is that? Why do you think that is?
Why is what? Because the moment that Red Bull
are Mercedes, if Mercedes could keep what they got going on,
like in Canada, the mistake thathe's making, they become more

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costly because guess what, you won't be able to drive past
them. That's a different argument.
That's a different. That's a different.
No, no, you're making, you're confusing, you're conflicting
two different things. You.
No, you're not. Because you're not trying to get
my point. The mistakes that he's making,
right, even though he's driving back to the field, right, the

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problem that's causing, by the time he gets to his back of his
teammate, he ain't got no tires left.
So he's not winning the race, OK.
That's a different argument you're talking.
We're talking about the mistakes.
No mistakes, no. Carry on.
That's what I'm No, no, no. Explain to you.
No. Hit me up.
We're talking about the incidentin the main race where they came
together and you're saying he makes a lot of mistakes.

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Again, there's two different forall he makes a.
Lot. Of again doesn't.
Matter if it's in the. Race again, but that's the first
but but, but again, but if you look at his Sundays, this is the
first Sunday, right. He has had an issue where where
he collided with with his teammates, which was coming,
which was coming again. That's if you look at the
previous nine Sundays, the raceswhere he has qualified badly on

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a Saturday, look at his drives on the Sunday.
He recovers those positions perfectly, perfectly fine.
So when you say he makes a lot of mistake, you have to be be
more precise with where you're talking because the mistakes are
made in qualifying on a on a Sunday on a Saturday.
That's different to what we're talking about here.
We're talking about the incidentthat happened on a Sunday.

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So they're not the two same thing.
They're different things on Sunday, on Sunday in the main
race, right, He made a miscalculation because, OK, he
made a miscalculation and it wasa dumb miscalculation and it and
it create created the problem. He took himself all to the race.
That's the first. That's the first miscalculation
he's made on a Sunday. Okay, so you're let's tell me

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when you finish because you're looking at this thing as just
that incident. No has had it coming for the
whole season. No, no.
But can't say he had it coming for the whole season because
again, no. Hear me out, can you?
Listen to what I'm saying. To you, you.
You can't because. I want to, I want to, I want to
really, I want to really say my.Piece So you can't say, you
can't say what happened on Sunday was coming the whole

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entire season when you have 9 races on a Sunday right where
you saw no evidence of anything like that ever going to happen.
The only time, the only mistakesyou can put you could have
pointed. Lando making up until that
moment over the weekend was how we qualified.

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That's it. That's the only places mistakes
were being made was in qualifying.
Just let me know when I've got the mic.
So I don't. So I don't think the two things
are the same. They are the same because
ultimately, the only reason why Lando is making these drives
back through the field is because he's got the car to do
it right the moment. The moment.
So yeah, because. What we're not.

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Taking into consideration is that if once the Mercedes and
the Red Bull come unsung, which they are especially, they're
going to come unsung at some point, the mistakes that he
makes on Saturday, he's not going to be second on the grid
anymore. He's going to be probably 4th or
5th at best. Yes, which we are, which we
already agree on. So when you're saying that you
can't say because he make because he's making these

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mistakes in qualifying, it was only a matter of time because it
was going to mess up on a Sunday, right?
Because the guy is making mistake doesn't matter if it's
in qualified. What we do know is that he's
become mistake prone, right? Ever since whatever it's on
Saturday or if it's on Sunday, it just it just it just it just
finally came together on a Sunday.

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We knew it was going to happen at some point, right.
So we cannot say because he's making mistakes on Sunday and
he's driving good. Yeah.
You got the best car, you're supposed to drive good on a
Sunday. But you're also supposed to
drive good on a Saturday. That's what I'm saying to you.
So ultimately he's making the mistakes on a Saturday, right.
And my issue with Lando, which which is what a lot of people
are talking about, even the pros, Nico Rosberg, who's raced

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in F1 to like, yo, he's making alot of mistakes.
So it doesn't matter if it's on Saturday or if it's on Sunday.
What we do know is that we got how many 10 races?
Yeah. And we probably could find 7
mistakes. That's.
Landau Yeah, but but OK, But if you but if you look at those
seven mistakes, we find those seven mistakes.
Right, it doesn't. Matter.
No, it's no. Hold on in in you.

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No, you had your time. Let me talk.
You. You were the one that said it,
that Lando's seemed to be the faster in the races, right?
Yeah. Isn't that what you said?
Yeah, But Oscar is the one at the race wins, right?
Yes, So what that tells me that if Lando is the fastest of the
two McLaren drivers, which I doubt it, it means that the
mistakes that he's making on Saturdays is the reason why he's

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not winning the races. Because by the time he drives
through the field, right, his teammate is in fresh air, right?
He's only coming in second at best.
So that the mistakes that you talk about on Saturday, they're
actually costing him massively in the championship.
But that's not. But that's not what we're
talking about. Hold on, hold on.
We're talking about mistakes, What is a race and a?
We're but that's not what we're talking about.

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We're talking about the we're talking, we're talking, we're
talking about the incident on Sunday.
Right. You know what this Lando
situation look like. He said if he if he wasn't
making mistakes on on Saturdays,I'm like, yo, this guy's mistake
prone. It's only a matter of time.
I'll be like, you know what, I could see through that.
But what it looks like right to me, this is how I see Lando.
I see Lando as and and say forces like when you asked me

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the other day, how did when I when Oscar got beaten off the
line by by by Kimmy, why I did not say anything or I didn't
give him much stick right? Well, Kim is not in the
championship. Oscar seems to be picking his
battles right. What Lander reminds me of is 2
people that goes to court, 1 is a first offender and one is
gradually a petty thief, right? You're petty thief.

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And so you keep getting off. It's not as it's not as
dangerous until you go do a bankrobbery and you go sit in front
of the judge. You think the judge isn't going
to look back on all these petty thieves that petty robbers that
you did before. So you're going to get, you're
going to get a harsher sentence compared to the man that
probably went on the bank robberfor the first time.
He's got a clean record in Oscar, right?
You know what you're going to get the life, life in life in

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prison. Oscar, you're going to get a 10
year sentence because this is your first of all, you don't
make you. This is not you, but you over
here, Mr. Lando. You've got a history of this,
right? We've got 10 races and you got
7-6 or seven instances. So now you made the OK, you're
getting a longer sentence. That's how I look at both of
them, Lando's and his and his and his mistakes is what we

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can't come to see on Sunday. Here might think cool, fair
enough, but he my argument around this whole thing stands
from right on a his Lando's mistakes up until Sun Sunday has
always been in qualifying. He made a mistake.
He's always made mistakes in made mistakes in much of his

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qualifying runs cast him great positions right.
But when he comes on a Sunday, he races fairly.
He makes decisive moves at the right time to get to get his
position and recover his position.
Sunder was the first time he's actually made the wrong decision
in the race and it's casting. So again, if you're going to use

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your analogy of your petty crimeversus a first time offender,
he's a first time offender in the main race because the mean,
that's what we're looking at here.
We're not looking at, we're not looking at the qualified looking
at that, but why we look, but what?
Because everyone else in the F1 sphere is looking at Lando over
the race weekend. You can't just because this
Sunday is just the final. So it's just like football.

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You don't, you win the game in practice during the week, right?
That's what you're probably workthe hardest to prepare for the
game. It's the same thing.
You cannot look at Lando and just look at Sunday.
You have to look at the whole race weekends, the race weekend.
Sunday's not the, the, the, the,the, the, the, the.
It's not the only thing you got to look at.
You got to look at from practicestarts on Friday, right to

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qualifying, to the race. And as we know, you make a
mistake in qualifying, you qualify bad.
Now you got to work on the race on Sunday.
Right, but not. The old F1 sphere is looking at
that. Even with what happened,
Sunday's his first. It's race accident, but everyone
is looking at all right then. Yeah, this is not good.
This is not good. This.

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Guy is making a lot of mistakes.Look, I'm looking at the
incident as a standalone incident.
I'm not worried about, just say me, I'm not worried about the
qualifying thing because the qualifying thing is a qualifying
thing. People can make mistakes in
qualifying. That's that's fine.
I'm looking at this incident as a stand alone incident.
And again, it goes back to what was what I was saying.

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You know, we say he's not decisive enough.
He does. He's not aggressive enough,
right? And that's, and as the person
who commented on my tweet pointed out, NNPK, she could
point it out. I think in this regard, we can
kind of like, I'm willing to be like, OK, you crash, whatever,
cool, you're going to have to eat that one.

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But I can see what you were doing.
You finally realized you're racing for a championship and
you were being aggressive. He was aggressive against his
teammate at the ear pin because he because he was training him
for how many laps and he couldn't pass it.
And he just surprised him at that ear pin and he made an
aggressive move. He made a decisive and an

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aggressive move and it would andit basically almost paid off the
end part. It didn't end the way he wanted,
but I can see what he was thinking and I can see what he
was trying. And it just one of them things,
it didn't work. It didn't work.
He's just going to have to eat it.
We came off, came over the IT was.

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He said it was a stupid move, itwas his fault, etc.
Yes, I was saying I personally think he was a bit frustrated.
He got frustrated and it led to it led to what what transpired.
But as I said, he didn't do himself any favors, right?

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And he, he didn't the, the, the criticism is super heavy now
because when you look in the F1 sphere, like, yeah, he's getting
it, boy. As I said, hopefully he could
recover from it. Hopefully it doesn't get in his
psych, right? Because you know it goes, right
If if these things from the qualifying mistakes are not

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crashing your teammate. Because you know crashing your
teammate is different from crashing anywhere else or with
anyone else, right? Yeah.
It just carries a certain like, hey, the cardinal sin, right,
Even if it was a move that he thought was on.
It's just it just that's just comes to the territory.
You're crashing your teammate. So the thing that you're

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probably going to see moving forward, right, is because you
know, these meetings in are going to be different, right,
Even though Zach is like, let them race.
You know that Monday morning meeting is different.
Yep. It's going to be way different,
right? And it's going to be different
for both because now we'd ask with, with Lando, with that,
with that. Finite top cash.

(36:08):
In his teammate in the in the inthe back.
Oscar is also probably going to have to have that in his psyche
as well go if he goes up againstLando.
Right, yes, I don't think, I don't think this will be the
last time we see them come together this year.
I think we're going to see. I think I think I genuinely
think we're going to because again, there's only three of

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them in the championship fight and given that he's no, he's
going to have to play a catch up.
He's 22 points behind. I think if he gets in another
situation like that, he's going to go.
I think he's still going to be aggressive.
He's still going to try and put a move on Oscar.
I just think that this time he'sgoing to be a bit more

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calculated. He's going to have to.
He's going to learn from this. And I think, and, you know, it's
also one of the reasons why I'm willing to, like I said, I can
see what he was trying to do. Yeah.
And it was the first time in a race you saw that aggression
from him. He finally looked like he
realized, yo, I'm racing for a championship here.

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I can't be timid. I'm gonna have to go first.
I'm gonna have to be ballsy and go for moves that I would have
normally kind of like. Yeah, you know, Yeah.
Second thought. No, he's gonna have to.
He's gonna be in a position whereby like he's, he's still
going to have to be think twice about certain things, but I
don't think it's going to be that frequent anymore.

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Yeah. So I can give.
So whilst, you know, he and he deserve a bit of lashing for
that as well, because like you said, it was a, it was never
gone. I, I, I don't even want to go on
the idea of saying it was never going to work because we would
not because we can only say thatbecause it didn't come off.
That's Jenson Button and Lewis, 2012.

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Right no 2011. Now the difference here is
Jenson Button was looking in hisleft mirror.
I could see Lewis pulling up side of him and he just kept on
moving to his left, moving to his left.
So I don't think that's the same.
I think Jenson Button knew what he was doing here.
OK, so so it's a completely different thing.
But again, it's it's good for the sport.
What happened? I think it's good because it's

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now spices it up. It gives the light.
They never struck strike twice at the same place.
What it did for McLaren, right? Yeah, and.
What's that? And it's what, 14 years apart?
14 years apart? So yeah, yeah, that's cool
still. But yeah, that's it on London,
Austin. Let's see.
Let's see how Orlando. What's going to be key is

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Orlando moves on from this. Yeah, Because it's like, what?
That's going to go out because we need to move on.
Exactly what you said, right? We got to treat as a separate
incident. But in Lando's mine, he's not a
separate incident. He's lumping it back there.
He's like in Lando's mine. He's not treating us as a
separate incident. He's probably looking like, man

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I'm messed up in qualifying. Again.
And I'm messed up in the race, Yeah, so.
He's that's gonna, so are we moves on?
He's going to tell you he's going to test his mental
toughness. Yeah, because a lot of even
myself question his mental fortitude, right?
And this is going to be like a test.
This is a test for Orlando. How does Landon Norris moves on?

(39:26):
From this. This incident.
Yeah. And it and you know, just to
quickly one last point, he a couple years ago he made a made
a statement about Louis saying, you know, it's easy for Louis
out front to win. He doesn't really have to raise
anybody or whatever, etcetera, something along those lines.
And I think recently kind of like backtrack on that and what

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we're seeing now is how do you can you perform when the light
is brightest? Because when you're at the back
of the grid, the light isn't thebrightest when you're at the
back of the back of the the room.
It's when you're literally right, the at the front of the
room, that's where the light is brightest.
So now you're at the front, yourmistakes are more amplified.

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Right. You're more, you're more
subjected to criticism from everybody.
Everything you do is not under amicroscope.
How can you deal with that? That's, and again, this is where
the likes of the Lewis Simultons, the Max Verstappen's,
the shoe markers, the Hackens, you know, the press.
That's where these guys excel. They can deal with that

(40:31):
spotlight. I know the spotlight is Orlando.
Can you deal with it? Hey.
Man, everyone, when you're at the top of the hill, everyone
thinks it's easier to climb until it's their time to climb.
There you go, getting to the topand The thing is it's hard work
getting to the top of the hill, but it's even quick work,
quicker getting to the bottom because you can just drop off at

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like that. So you could.
Get here. But are you consistent enough to
stay? Here stadium, Yep, that's.
When the hard work starts. So yeah, so whilst everybody's
giving him a hard time, I look at it like, you know what, I'm
gonna, I'm gonna let him off this time because I can see what
he was trying. And I think if it had worked, we
all, everyone here would be saying, yo, what a move from

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London, Norris. And from yeah, and that's your
take. And my take is that I'm just
taking all the mistakes so far this year and lump it into one
because I think they time to each other and I'm like get it
together bro. Yes, he has no one.
So we have, we have 14 main races and I think we have, what,
three more Sprint races? So in total we'll probably have,

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what, 15 races left for the season.
He has 15 races to recover 22 points.
Can you do it? Let's see.
Yeah, that's still what it comesout.
So yeah, Kimi becomes the third youngest podium winner, podium
podium finisher. Which brings him alongside Max
Verstappen and what's the figure's name?

(41:58):
Lance Stroll, 'cause I think Lance Stroll did what is in was
it Monza 2017 was his first podium in in the actual in the
actual arena? Yeah, I think it was Monza.
Where's he Landshaw podium? He's he's got how many podiums
does he have? He has three podiums.

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Yeah. His first was actually his first
was Baku 2017. Oh, it was 2018 he was on the
port 22 and he was on the podiumin 20/22/2020.
OK, so 2017 Baku he was on he did third and twenty 20s in
Sakir and Monza. He was also a third.

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So yeah. And again for Kimi, that was a
brilliant drive for him from himthis weekend.
You know what I mean? Took took Oscar off the line,
took him going into the infamousI'm going to know, start calling
that the Louis Vettel corner, 2019 corner, you know, took him

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going into that and he kept the position.
He never looked at any point. He was flustered and I, I tell
you what though, he pressed. Max had to work for that second
place because the two pit stops.Max did right on each of those
pit stops. If he hadn't pitted on that lab,

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Kimmy would have passed him. So he pitted on the right time
and on his last stop, like Kimi pitted what I think a lap after
and he held the lead, held his position and he kept Max honest
that entire time because no, I think the biggest Max Lee got up
to was about two seconds for that entire second stint.

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So he drove a really, really good race.
And you know, we already knew that the kid had the had the all
the talents and everything in the world to succeed.
And I think we're starting to see it.
And he's, and again, he's never driven at this track.
I think he didn't have those hammer time lapse when Max
fitted. Yeah, well, I I don't think he
would have had them anyway because his tires were probably

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dead by then. Max came out and hit the his out
lap pretty hard, which basically, you know, gave let
him kept that position. So, so Kimmy.
Yeah, it's good that he he got some confidence back after.
Not that his confidence was gone.
It's good that he got a good result after.
The three non scores in the triple header, you know, I mean,

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so had soft to him and I think had soft to Mercedes as well
because they just came back. They just came back with a Bang
Bang this weekend. But you know, as we said in the
beginning, was his track specific.
Let's let's wait and see. We know in Austria next weekend,

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which again, that's going to be altitude and should probably
going to be really hot. Let's see what happens.
But you know, 'cause I'm, I'm definitely, I've got, I've got
coins invested in, in ink kidney, 'cause I think, I think
he's the real, I think he's the real, the real deal.

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He's definitely someone that, yeah, has a bright, bright,
bright future in the sport. Yeah, he's got a very bright.
So moving on to the next thing. Man, I don't even if I want to
spend much time on this Red Bulllodging another protest against
a team that won that wins like this is not even this is a non
discussion. No, it's not.
I don't think so, man, because Ithink.

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Because people are used to Red Bull doing this like it's, it's,
it's one of these ones, it's, it's a Red Bull thing.
Whenever anyone is winning or whenever someone comes up with
something innovative, they try to they're just always lodging
some complain, complaining like like it's, it's just become
tired. Because yeah, it is.
But at the same time, it's a bit, it's as total Wolf said,

(45:56):
it's a bit petty because what they, what they're lodged,
actually, it's two complaints. They're lodged, right?
And they withdrew one of them. And the one that they were
arguing, I think they were arguing against was
unsportsmanlike conduct from George.
And apparently what they're trying to say was because George
the whole suddenly break thing, like George suddenly braked so

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Max could pass him. And then he went on the radio to
complain, hoping that they give Max a penalty.
And I'm like, sorry, how what? What we talking about
unsportsmanlike conduct. And I think, and I think this is
what I think they wanted to do, because Oscar wasn't on the
podium and Lando was out the race.

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If they had gotten the win, right?
If actually, no, it wouldn't really have benefited them
because actually it would have because they would have gotten
more. Yeah.
Because if say, they threw George out the race, right, Max
would have gotten 25 points, Kim18, Oscar for 15, right?

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So it's a 10 point swing for Maxto Oscar, right?
But when you look at the gap, Oscar finished fourth.
So it's only a six point swing. So it would have.
So for him, it's a plus. It would have been a + 4 swing
in his fever if they were to happen.
But I thought, and The thing is,it took them it's damn near 5

(47:23):
hours. Yeah, that's to, to, to come up
with a decision. And you're like, so the people
of Wonder Race celebrated and all these things are sitting
there waiting. OK, when is it gonna be made
official? It was, it was, it was, it was
really petty. And factor that in with

(47:44):
Christian Horner now complainingto that.
I think why he why he did it as well because he later came out
and said that he spoke to the race director over the weekend
saying that he feels like other drivers are going to try and go
Max into doing something. So he picks up a point to get

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that race ban right. And he said George is coming
because George made some commentafter qualifying.
Because you remember after qualifying, there's it was him
and Max on the front run and they were like, ask him about
the rundown to first turn 1. And he's like, well, I've got a
few points on my license that I can play with basically meaning,
well, I can risk it and I'm willing to take a few, take some

(48:29):
points if it goes wrong. Max can't do that because if Max
risk it and it causes a collision or whatever it is, he
gets up any point, he's getting a race band.
So he's saying, you know, they're trying to goad him.
And based on what George said, that's pretty much what why
whatever he said. And I'm, I'm just like, yo, I
don't. And, and again, This is why,

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This is why I don't like them asa team, because for them it's
they have this sense of entitlement.
And The thing is. Red Bull knows how to rain on
people's turret, bro. Yeah, they don't make things
about it because they just ruined it from Mercedes, right?
That's what I'm saying, the depth, sense of entitlement
about them. And the reason why, the reason

(49:15):
why they keep doing it is because there's no penalties for
it. There's nothing to say.
I said it in one of the earlier parts, right?
When if you're a team that's going to just jump out to win
and do stupid things right, stupid protest, this has to be a
consequence. Yeah, and Zac Brown and Zac
Brown said the same thing. Say just like.

(49:36):
In just like in sports, you, you, you review the play in like
in in the NFL and you lose a time out.
Yeah. Right.
And it's, and it's similar to football, OK?
You know, you know, you know, infootball, like Premier League,
right, If somebody gets a red card and you appeal it and you
review it, they can also increase your ban, you know what

(49:59):
I mean? Because they realized, well,
it's a frivolous, it was a frivolous thing you did.
And that and that that's what Zac Brown said these things
because they were complaining about the red, the the McLaren
car, the whole entire they've been complaining about the
McLaren car the whole, entire year, you know what I mean?
And he's and raising all these protests and he's saying, look,

(50:20):
if you're just going to raise protest after protest just for
the sake of it, it should be a punishment, punishment applied.
It has to be. There should be.
I said this like earlier on in the year.
There should be. Because now we realize that Red
Bull just does it because they want to.
Yeah, the team wins because guess what?
You have to remember, Red Bull is all about marketing, right?
Right. It's all about.
So Mercedes wins, Red Bull protest.

(50:45):
Guess what? Guess who's in the headlines?
Red Bull. Red Bull.
So they know what they're doing right.
Even this team knows, even losing, they know how to make
themselves the headline. Yeah, and.
And if you don't put a penalty in for stuff like that.
They won't stop. They won't stop and and it goes
back to if you remember the DTS,the the when they released DTS

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in 2021 for the 2020 season, they called Christian Horner.
There was a clip of Christian Horner saying, I think he was
telling Total Wolf that the onlyreason why they, they lodged A
complaint for the DAS system wassimply because they wanted to
annoy them. They wanted to get underneath

(51:28):
their skin. And I'm like, so you're
basically the rules that are there.
You're just basically using themfor your own fun.
Basically. There's you, you're not, there's
no action merit to what you're trying to do other than to just
try and irritate people. And again, that's kind of like,
yo, what we're doing here. That's and going back to what

(51:49):
Toto said at the premiered F1 movie yesterday, it's it's
petty. It's petty.
That's that was never. And it's even worse when you
consider that Max in his interview after the race, pretty
much say, yo, whatever, that's nothing.
That's nothing. So who decided to lodge that
protest? Because that Schwarzel wouldn't
be Max, because Max pretty much dismissed the whole thing as

(52:12):
like, oh please, that's nothing,Whatever, it is what it is,
let's move on. So somebody in that team
decided, oh, let's we're going to launch a protest.
Who? Yeah.
It's stupid. They need.
To they need to they need to do something like what others
towards to if you larger just a frivolous just because you can't
yeah, you need to have some formof consequence to tear you from

(52:32):
doing stuff like. That.
Yep, definitely. Unless you see something that's
really, really dear because guess it, you're wasting
people's time. And it's not.
And The thing is, it's not the first protest protest they've
lodged this year. And, and some of them have been
against Mercedes. So like, yeah, come on, man,
Let's, let's, let's move on. Let's, let's just, let's stop

(52:54):
doing it. Yeah, let's tell you a lot.
Yeah, Stop doing that, man. And just let's move on, man.
And like you said, it's, it's, Ithink it's a sense of
entitlement for them if somebodycomes out with an an innovative
idea. Oh, that's that must be illegal.
Like why was it? Why must it be illegal?
Yeah, but yeah, let's say move on, move on from Red Bull.

(53:16):
Let's let's touch on the so the Louis situation, right, got a
damaged floor again. My hit a hedgehog the.
Hedgehog RIP to the hedgehog RIP.
I'm surprised, Peter. Ain't out.
Just yet. Oh, I I mean, Peter has come
after after him a couple of times.
Man, son. Yeah, I'm definitely surprised

(53:37):
we need to have it. Yeah, man, another damaged
floor, another what could have been, right?
And yeah, there's not even much to say on that.
It's just a damaged floor. Well.
It was what, 20 points? A downforce.
Yeah, they said it was 20 pointsa downforce, which works out to
about half a second a lap. But I saw this guy, this guy

(54:00):
follow. He does a lot of data analysis
about the races, lap times, etcetera, etcetera.
And even with the damaged floor,Louis lap time was still
comparable to Charles. So we're pretty much neck the
same lap times, but the same. But then I read something today,

(54:20):
you know, that says Cos Lewis was even a battling A braking
issue in the race. At one point he was saying, you
know, the brake pedal is going long, etcetera.
So they had to switch the brake brake balance.
I think more 50. I think they switched it more
real words rear was done for. I can't remember which way the

(54:40):
switch 'cause he was complainingthat yo he can't stop the car.
Then you heard Charles and a similar issue where he had to
lift and cost for whole how manymeters?
So for Ferrari was pretty much Ithink it was a literally a
mediocre weekend and it revealedthat basically Ferrari are the

(55:02):
fourth fastest car on the grid and the only time they'll ever
get above that is I think if Mercedes, well, more so George
is off the boil, then Ferrari can probably sneak in.
But if George and Mercedes is onon form, I don't see them be

(55:23):
getting past them. You know, I saw Fred and then
you have Fred, the team principal, who is just like, yo,
you already know where I stand with Fred Forcera.
I, I've said point blank, I don't think he's the man for
this job. I think the Ferrari job is too
big for him. It needs someone.
It needs someone of a bigger character, a bigger stand in

(55:45):
somebody. And whilst the argument is
Ferrari won't give over full control, whatever, but OK, if
they're not not going to do that.
But it still needs someone who is more who who commands more
respect, who command more respect from the people who he's

(56:05):
overseeing. You know, and again, to me,
there's only two people. It's either Total Wolf of our
Christian Orner. Total Wolf is not going to leave
a team that he owns to go work for somebody else.
So that's never going to happen.So it's all it's only going to
be Christian. And you know, the rumors are
that that Ferrari approached himand they turned him down.
But I don't believe it. What I don't believe Christian

(56:27):
Ara could fix Ferrari. We had this conversation over
this place. Ferrari needs to get fixed
culturally. Well, but then, but that's what
I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.
You never know, someone like Christian Ara could come in and
change their culture. I doubt it because The thing is
you look at Ferrari or they operate even when you even when
you look at when you read books about Ferrari and now Ferrari
was former, now Ferrari even ends of Ferrari start processes,

(56:49):
right? They cannot afford anyone that
comes in to seem bigger. Bigger than life, You know, like
bigger than Ferrari. True, because they they didn't
know Adrian Nuit. Comes in because guess what?
If Adrian Nuit had gone to Ferrari, everyone would have
talked about, they wouldn't havesaid they would have.
It would have been. The store would have been.
It's an Adrian Nuit car. Ferrari cannot afford that.
Yeah, but actually I disagree with that.

(57:12):
And I'll tell you why I disagreewith that.
If Lewis goes on and wins the championship, Saint Louis goes
on next year and wins the championship, who do you think
they're going to talk about more?
Because the the argument that the the the conversation then
will be Lewis returns Ferrari toprominence.
That that makes more sense because ultimately you need a

(57:33):
driver to drive a Ferrari. Yeah, but but, but what I'm
saying here is what the conversation, the argument
wouldn't be about Ferrari, the Ferrari wouldn't be getting the
main headline it. Would have been what the
headline would, but it would have been Ferrari wins enough
car that Ferrari made. Not in that age or new.
But but what's the difference? Because, well, you're.
Different because 1 is a driver,so no matter how good or bad you

(57:56):
need a driver so it's always separate.
No, but what I'm saying here is the the argument will be because
they signed Louis to come in andlead them to the promised land.
And if Louis comes in, and if Louis comes in and achieves
that, the conversation would be,Louis, listen to what I said.

(58:18):
You know, it's not Ferrari returns the prominence.
It will be Lewis Hamilton returns Ferrari.
So Ferrari would be the second subject in that headline.
The first. They would.
They would care about that. Yeah, but but that's what I'm
saying. So how is it different to say
Adrian Newey returns Ferrari to prominence?

(58:39):
No, that what that's, that's notwhat, that's not what it would
be. But what would it?
What would it be? Hamilton Lewis Hamilton wins in
an Adrian Newey car. That's where the difference is,
because it would be Lewis Hamilton, which you expect the
driver you need a driver to. Drive yeah, but OK, but OK so
Adrian new but it's OK so AJ butit's a Ferrari does it matter if
it's. Yeah, but the but when you read,

(59:00):
you got to understand Ferrari's old thing is that, oh, it's red,
right? We need a driver.
It doesn't matter if it's Lewis Hamilton or Max.
Yeah, we need a driver to win ina Ferrari.
Yeah, but the conversation wouldbe it's more than a, it's more
of a Adrian New thing that it isa Ferrari thing.
That's where the issue comes in.I don't, I don't get, I don't
want to get that. I don't get that.
Because. Because no matter who makes the

(59:20):
car, you need a driver, right? Yes.
If they say Lewis Hamilton brings Ferrari to prominence,
that's OK, but they don't want to be.
The article to read is that Adrian knew it, so it's not
going to be. Ferrari's not going to be the
main thing in terms of the car product it's going to be.
Adrian knew it. But it's the same.
But it's the same. But it's going to be the same if
it's Lewis, that's what I'm. Because it's a Ferrari product,

(59:43):
the name is going to be. But it's but still, but still
going to be a Ferrari product. It's just that Adrian New is a
designer. It's it's, it's no different the
Ferrari. Problem is.
I know because. It's going to be Louis, Adrian
Newey, then Ferrari. That's bad for Ferrari.
How is that bad for Ferrari? Because it's going to the
conversation is always going to be when you talk, even though

(01:00:04):
when you talk about Red Bull, people talk about those cars
being Adrian newest car than being Red Bulls.
Everyone talks about Asian when it comes out to Red Bull cars.
Yeah, Ferrari cannot have everyone talking about Adrian
knew it. When it comes out to a Ferrari
car, the product, right, that's made by Ferrari, right?
That's where the difference is. The driver.

(01:00:25):
It doesn't matter. So, so hold on.
I So if Lloyd Serra, who is now at Ferrari, I think he's the I
don't know if he's the technicaldirector and he's working on the
2026 project. So if he builds a car that wins
the championship, don't they? They still can say Lloyd Sarah

(01:00:50):
Design knows. Like era bro what?
Adrian Newey is the man no one knows.
Lloyd, Sarah, US That's in in F1.
But but again, it's, it's prettymuch the same.
It's the same for Newey. The only people who really knew
Newey's are people who are knowsF1.
We're talking about larger than life when you talk about Adrian
Newey, right? No one is going to say it's a

(01:01:11):
Like Sarah car, but people will say it's a Adrian new car.
That's the difference. That's where the difference
comes in. I don't know, I'm going to
disagree with that. One, when you when you talk
about car designers in F1, who comes to mind?
Obviously Asian new comes to mind.
There you go. Yeah, everyone is.
Who knows, like Siri. No.
One's thought about it's a life,but like like Siri is really a

(01:01:33):
designer. So that's a different
conversation. So that's what I'm saying to
you. You talk about larger than life
and I'm saying Ferrari's issue is that they do not want a
larger than life designer to say, well it's an Asian new car
then Ferrari. That's where the issue comes in.
I don't, I don't know, I don't see the difference to that, to
them saying it's an Asian new car, to someone saying OK, you

(01:01:53):
only won because you had Lewis Hamilton in the car.
It is a different because the car you give them the product,
it's a car, it needs a driver, right?
So if you could build the greatest car, if there's not a
driver, so there's going to be astory with a driver, it could
be, forget Nico Rosberg, it's going to be, hey, Nico Rosberg
won in a Ferrari for, you know, many years, right?

(01:02:14):
But with someone like a Adrian new in a car, it's going to be
Ferrari is going to be third in line.
They're going to mention the driver who bought it to
prominence. They're going to mention Adrian
New because he's the biggest designer ever.
No, Adrian knew we did it for wedid it for this team.
Adrian knew we did it again, butso Ferrari is third.
I don't know. And you got to remember it's the
Italian pride in Ferrari. But won't.

(01:02:35):
Allow him to do that, but hold on.
But being third or second in line in a conversation really
does does make a difference, because you're not first in
that. Conversation.
Do you follow the history? Do you understand what
Ferrari's? Yeah, no, I'm not dispute.
I know what Ferrari, but what I'm saying here is the the the
storyline will always be Ferrariwould not be the first mentioned

(01:02:57):
in the the storyline. It will always be either Lewis
the driver or the design. In the case of Lewis and.
And as I said, the driver is OK for.
Them. OK, so OK, what if it's not
Lewis Hamilton in the Ferrari? I say it's Charles.
Nico Rosberg It's the same thing, Charles.
Wouldn't but but again but but you see what I'm saying here?

(01:03:18):
In evening, it doesn't really matter which way you swing it.
The first thing you're gonna mention will be mentioning won't
be Ferrari in the tagline, it would be that's.
Not your issue. That's not the issue.
So then the. Issue is the car, the product
that they're creating, They do not want the product to say it's
an Adrian Newey thing. That's their issue.
So then what? So what?

(01:03:39):
They're gonna what? They're gonna what?
They're gonna advertise. So right, So what?
What should it read? Right.
That's that's your issue. You know, it's for it's for
whatever car they come back and they win with.
It's not to say, well, it's Adrian Newey.
So what Ferrari? Does they would not allow that
Well, which is why that's the issue bro with the car.

(01:04:00):
If you build a car, you're goingto need a driver.
So it's OK to say Louis, you could say Thanos won for Ferrari
after how many years it doesn't matter to them.
But what they don't want is Thanos won in a in a agent, they
will build Ferrari. That's where the issue comes in
for that. I think, I think we're, I think
we're going to have to agree to disagree on that one because,
because either way you look at it.

(01:04:22):
I don't know what have you have you read books on Ferrari?
Have you seen them? That's how they are.
If you mention something when you talk about Ferrari, the
product, if it's not solely Ferrari you're talking about,
you're coming in a cardinal syndrome.
That's really issue comes in. If if if it's a situation, say
for instance, Asia knew was the agent knew that designed great
car, but he wasn't the superstar.

(01:04:43):
Adrian knew it and he was just low key.
No one really knows that. He's just a guy that names that
gets mentioned. Fine that's OK for Ferrari.
But you're talking about yeah agent new would build Ferrari
card. They don't want that bro cuz
they think that agent new is thecommon denominator.
No, they don't want engineer to be the common denominator in the
winning card. Ferrari has to be the common

(01:05:05):
denominator, not the designer. I don't, I don't, I don't, I
don't. I'm not sure I agree with that,
but you know, because either, like I say.
If you if you know anything about Ferrari, if you follow
their history, you would know the way they speak about
Ferrari. Nothing can be bigger than
Ferrari, especially the product that they're creating.
But then if nothing, but then ifnothing can be bigger than

(01:05:26):
Ferrari, then why you bring Lewis Hamilton in?
Ferrari Lewis is not bigger thanFerrari.
Bro but then Adrian Lewis is notbigger than Ferrari then.
Right. So you still, Neil, they need a
driver. It doesn't matter who.
They need a driver. The driver is always going to
get mentioned, which is why there's two things.
There's a drivers championship. There's a constructors

(01:05:47):
championship. Yeah, right.
So it doesn't matter what they say about the driver.
Cool. We need a driver.
It could be Carlos Sainz. This could be Daffodil.
That doesn't matter product, which is the Ferrari product
that we're going to put on track, it has to be predominant.
Ferrari got to be common denominator in its existence,
not a single person. I'm not sure I grasp this off

(01:06:13):
all of this because you said youno one can be bigger than
Ferrari and like I'm saying in this situation Asian new economy
isn't bigger than Ferrari. But the product is going to be
associated with Adrian Newey more than Ferrari built.
Their built a car that's that wins again.
So it's going to be Lewis Hamilton wins in a Adrian Newey

(01:06:36):
built Ferrari. That's where the issue comes in
for Ferrari. If it was Lewis Hamilton wins
again in a Ferrari, that's fine by them because you need a
driver. You can't win without a driver,
right? But to have a third person here
before the Ferrari brand saying that, oh, this guy's ripped.
Nah, Ferrari cannot afford that,which is why they're in the
situation because they will not let that go.

(01:06:57):
OK. Ferrari will not let that go
bro. OK, cool.
All right, all. Right.
That's the issue with Ferrari. So if culturally Ferrari, the
Italian pride in Ferrari is the reason why they're not winning,
they're not willing to to to give that up for someone else to
get a praise off on the Ferrari product.
All right, That's always how they've been.
All right, cool, fine. So another thing we over the

(01:07:19):
weekend, you know, going into the weekend, there was this
rumor that Fred Vasor because his contract ends this year, but
there's no talk so far that we're aware of that of his
contract being renewed. And you know, we're there's also
rumour Lincoln, I can't rememberthe guy's name, the guy who runs
the Le Mans program or basicallyjust won his third Le Mans in a

(01:07:43):
row. He could possibly replace Fred.
And The funny thing, what is he was actually this guy.
I can't remember his name. He was actually asked to lead
the Ferrari team even before they took on, I believe it was
Arriva, Benny, and he said no, he turned it down.

(01:08:04):
Do you think? No.
Do you think after winning the third Le Mans that he might if
they approach him again, he might say, OK, yeah, he wants to
take on the task because again, winning the Le Mans team,
winning Le Mans and Formula One are two different thing.
Formula One is a much more difficult category to perform in

(01:08:26):
and to winning. What do you think?
You think you think Fred will bethere next year?
So. There's two guys and Le Mans
program. There's two guy Antinella
Collector. That's the guy.
Ferdinando Carnizo. No, the Coletta guy, he's the,
he's the he's, I think he's the main, He's the head of the limos
program. He's the one that put in place.

(01:08:48):
The The thing is, right, if you're, if you're, if you're a
person who knows to win, it doesn't matter where you go,
right? Because remember, it's not a one
person thing, right? It's about bringing a team of
people together for the main forfor our sole purpose, right, for
a sole goal just to win. And if you've got that, if

(01:09:12):
you've got that type of pedigree, doesn't matter where
you go, right? Which is why in business, a lot
of times you might find someone that comes over from from
broadcasting to sports to run out of a soccer team, a football
team. And because he knows how to put
the right pieces together to make that team wins.

(01:09:33):
And you're like, how did that? Because it's not.
He's not the one. He's not the one training the
players, but he knows how to putthe right places on the chess
board. Yeah, because, because here's
the thing. Because here's the thing, right?
Going back to what you just said, because Fred, this is

(01:09:53):
Fred's third year. And during that time he's been
recruiting people. He's got like Sarah from
Mercedes, He's got some people over from Red Bull and some
other people. So he's slowly putting the
pieces together. Do you think he should be given
more time then to try and get try And you know, we'll given

(01:10:15):
that he's slowly putting the pieces in place, do we think he
should probably get up until next year?
And then if if the 2026 project doesn't deliver, then you show
him the door. Because if you look at it, the
likes of Arefa, Bini and Binota before it are pretty much been

(01:10:37):
ditched after three years. I could see if they're fired for
it. I could see why.
Mm hmm. Yeah, and I think there's and I
can as well because he keeps talking a ball.
We can take the positives from this.
One of the things he mentioned over the weekend, oh, Charles
did the purpose sector one in qualifying.
OK. That's not a positive.

(01:10:59):
Not even all of that. If if Ferrari ditches him and
he's what, next year? Yeah, not.
To be here next year. I could see why because the the
the situation is they're probably looking at the progress
from last year to this year, andit's terrible.
Yeah. So he regressed.
Massively. So I could see if they put them

(01:11:22):
because they probably was like, OK, you come in the first year,
then you're going to put the pieces together in the second
year. This is why second year, right?
Or just third, third. OK, so your first two is you put
the pieces together, right? Well, the first year you bent
the car last year finished second in the constructors,
right, Who won races. So you regressed on the on the

(01:11:46):
third year. So that's in any business.
That's the reason to get fired bro.
Yeah, 'cause I 'cause I've said it.
And it's, it's very likely they don't win a race this year.
Yeah. And we don't, we've not seen
any, we've not seen anything from them to give you any
confidence that they're gonna win a race this year.
Yeah. So yeah, they got all the reason

(01:12:06):
to fire. I don't think if if he was
making progress, yeah, year on year, whereas like last year
cars car came into this year andit's still competitive even if
it doesn't win the championship.If it came into this year being
competitive like it was last year, OK, we could see OK, that
makes sense. You're still competing.
But to regress this way, bro, yeah, you should get fired.

(01:12:29):
In any business you get fired, especially if it's a performance
based business. Because they went from, because
they were what they finished last year, 14 points behind
McLaren in the in the constructors champions, they've
now fallen to 3rd. They've got McLaren's on three,
8374 to 183. They're 191 points.

(01:12:50):
Yeah, that's that's our reason to get fired, bro. 191 points
and all. And there was a point he talked
about all you know, they're second in the championship.
And I'm like, well, you're only second in the championship
because Red Bull only have one driver and Kimi had that bad run
that no scoring in the three race.
The the triple header. That's the only reason why

(01:13:10):
you're second. No, you've fallen behind
Mercedes in the championship. You know, you know what's that?
They know? 16 points behind Mercedes and
only and only 116 and only 21 ahead of Red Bull.
Red Bull only have one driver. Red was going to overhaul him by

(01:13:31):
the end of the season, but this is it, right?
When to go back to the original question with the the the guy
that's running the. The Le Mans team, the Le.
Man program, right? So this is how you have to gauge
things, right? Why is Formula One is harder to
win? And you know, it's Antonio
Coletta. Let's just call him by his.
Name Antonio Coletta. Even though F1 is all different

(01:13:57):
ball game, right, you still haveto look at the fact that Ferrari
came in like a car, right? Not competing for years and that
guy put a team together and got a three piece.
So even though F1 is out, you still got to look at say, oh,

(01:14:19):
this guy came in with a clean sheet of paper, right?
And he repeated for them. So the guy looks like he knows
how to win. And you have to look at that,
right? Because we all know no matter
where you go, motorsport is a competitive thing no matter the
category, because you can only gauge yourself off your

(01:14:40):
competitors in whatever categories you're in, right?
Right, so if you're in Le Man and you repeat it right and
you're working for an organization who's struggling
over here in F1, it's only rightthey're going to look at you and
be like, well, this guy seems like he knows how to win.
Yep. So all about putting him over
here with this project because he already did everything he
needed to do over here. What what else for him?

(01:15:02):
He's either we put him over here, another F1 team is
probably going to pick him and be like, hey, this guy did this
in Le Man, why? It's not F1, but it's still a
competitive thing because you have to remember, bro, the thing
with Le Mano is what a lot of people don't understand when you
could run a car for 24 hours, that has to be bulletproof
unreliability, right? You have to be.

(01:15:23):
So there's a lot of things that goes.
Into I'm not just I'm not just that you're talking about also,
you know, focus on everything, you know, not make any mistakes
and so on. Yeah, I look and again, this
goes back to what I've always said and people might not agree
with me. Look, Fred is not the man for
Ferrari. This is too big a job for for

(01:15:44):
Fred. It's I just don't see because
running AGP two team is not the same as running a Formula One
team. And that's where Fred, that's
the only success Fred has had inFormula One running AGP two team
because he ran ART GP. Was it ART GP because he was
Lewis team boss at ART GP when he won the GP2 championship and

(01:16:08):
I believe was he there when was he there when Charles was there
as well? I can't remember.
But either way, running a Formula One team is a completely
different kettle of fish. And and given how important
Ferrari is to Formula One and toItaly, I just, I just don't
know. And you know, the pressure of
not winning for coming up near, damn near 2 decades and now.

(01:16:32):
And to add to that pressure, yousigned Lewis Hamilton.
Yeah, that's a good. Question Yes, they should bring
the guy from Lamont if that's the thing.
Yeah, they should bring him the guy.
The guy tree peated. Yeah, yeah, you gotta bring.
It I mean and I mean the last. Everything.
What does he want from him? And I mean the last.
Who's the last team to Tree peat?

(01:16:54):
The Toyota tree peat? I know.
I know how they dominated for a while.
Then Porsche. Did Porsche win?
Yeah. Porsche.
Yeah. Porsche.
Mark Webber. Yeah.
So again, like you said, he'd won the first year.
No one expected them to win the first year.
You know, probably thought, probably thought it was either
going to be Toyota or Porsche that won it.

(01:17:17):
He came, they came in, they won it, defended it.
Granted, some things have changed, but either way, that's
still cheapy. So, you know, I don't know.
I don't know. Let's let's see what happens.
But you know, the pressure is onFerrari to deliver because you
signed Lewis Hamilton. Yeah, you signed Lewis Hamilton

(01:17:37):
and his Lewis Hamilton Formula One clock is running out, so
yeah. Yeah, it's it's happened next
year. I never grew.
But on some just some quick news, just we're not really
going to delve on it too long. The Renault CEO Luca de Maio
finally resigns, you know, whichprobably might be some good news

(01:18:00):
for Alpine going forward, but let's see how that 1 pans out.
Derek Warwick Ray Stewart got suspended for this race weekend
because he made some comments togambling website which really
gave his opinions on you know who Lewis deserving the

(01:18:24):
championship with championship and he gave some comments about
Red Bull and Max as well which Ifound that really funny that
they suspended him giving that. Johnny Herbert was fired.
I think fired for giving similaropinions for the same betting
organization. But their query should have been
removed from stewarding years ago when he made a comment about

(01:18:45):
Max being the great white hope in 2016.
And then when he was confronted about it, basically lied and
said he didn't recall ever saying that, whatever it is.
So you know, and he was also part of the the stewarding crew
for that for which will forever be the black mark of Formula
One, the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix 2021.
So you know a lot. And the last two one broke today

(01:19:11):
again. It's it's obviously it's a
different sport. The number 50 Ferrari got
disqualified from from Le Mans. Where did they finish?
Did they finish 3rd, 4th, 4th? OK, so they didn't really.
So any reason? Yeah.
So they got disqualified. Apparently the disqualification
was because there was 4 bolts missing from the rear wing,

(01:19:32):
which meant that it flexed more than it needed to to do.
And you know the Milliman guys, they don't play.
There's no, there's no Gray areafor them.
It's just black or white, straight.
Up and that's and that's the thing it was, it was deflection
of 50 to a millimeter far above the 50mm.
Yeah. So that's what that's what 30 it

(01:19:56):
flex what 37mm more than it needed to do.
Yeah, that's a yeah, you were you were always going to get
disqualified for that. The last one before we got rate
the race where you give it. That was 6.56 point 5.
I don't think it was really thatexciting to be honest, up until

(01:20:17):
because there wasn't really thatmuch overtaking going on.
I think, yeah, probably give it,probably give it a six.
I'll give it a six, 6 or 6. Once again, if you want to
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