Episode 223: Se7en (1995)

This week, we celebrate the 30th anniversary of one of the greatest crime thrillers of all time. We'll break the film down scene by scene, and much more. What are your thoughts on this film? 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Hello everyone, and welcome to a brand new episode of
the Grace Taproom Podcast. I am your co host Mike Gray,
and joining me as always is Detective.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Detective the trash Can Tabby.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Welcome.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
That was your test.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
I'm glad to be here.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, I am. I am a detective. Did you like
the reference? Yes, detective detective you were looking for me.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yep, I love it. It works out perfectly.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Do you like it? I do? I do? I do.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
I like it as much as the seven deadly sins?

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah? Those are pretty fun, oh for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
I mean lust, greed, gluttney, sloth, sloth, envy.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, and the other two no one gives a fuck about, No,
I do.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
I just don't remember. Yeah, gluttany, sloth.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Uh huh, envy you said that? Oh do you want
me to read off the seven Yeah? Do you want
me to pull it up?

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Seven deadly s ten out of ten?

Speaker 3 (01:43):
By the way, all of them are ten out of ten.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Pride, envy, gluttony, greed, lust, sloth, and wrath.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Pride and wrath. Those are the ones that I couldn't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yep. That's okay. You you were almost there, though. You
you did pretty well A bad five out of two.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Five, I mean, fuck five out of seven.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Okay, you're you forgot how to math today? I did.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
It's been a long God damn it has.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
But that's okay because it is and we're we're yes,
and it's Friday, yep. And of course we are talking
about one of the most iconic crime drama crime thriller
dramas of all time, a movie that ignited the career

(02:31):
of one of the greatest of all time, Brad Pitt.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yes, and also showed us the world what a real
piece of shit Kevin Spacey actually is.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
But he plays such a brilliant, brilliant sin Yes, you've
never seen him in this movie. You never saw him
like actually kill someone. He's just leaving behind clues and
his Oh I love it. I love thrillers like that. Like,
don't get me wrong, I love the thrillers where it's

(03:04):
like slashers and you see them stab people, but like
them having to piece it together. Oh brilliant.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
We are, of course, talking about nineteen ninety fives, seven
thirty years ago to as of the release of this.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
You guys are listening to this If you're listening to
it on Monday.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Thirty years ago on this day.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yep, So go home and watch it when you get
home from work.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
It is. You can stream it if you have HBO
Max you will find it there.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Or you could just order it on Amazon and have
it tricked to you so that you'll have the DVD forever.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
You can rent it on Prime for three seventy nine.
That meant by it? Oh yeah, buy it for the
movie to buy. This is a this is a hard copy.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Need, Oh my gosh. And I would really like to
go to a flea market and find it there. Oh,
because you know it's like two bucks.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Oh yeah, I do want to own this. Yes, so
we can just you know what I want to watch seven.
I'm gonna put it.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
On and we don't have to unpause Max. But if
an unpause, yes, oh for surely worth pause.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Oh do you wanna do you wanna announce this week's
shout out before we get into this.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Hold on, let me wet my whistle.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Okay, it's been a long week. It's a long whistle
because I forgot how to swallow title of your sex tape.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
That one's yours, not mine.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Oh, I'm doing uh tequila again?

Speaker 3 (04:36):
He does tequila?

Speaker 2 (04:37):
My weird Irish fingers.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
For those of you watching on YouTube. Yeah, thank you
to the three people that watch us on YouTube are
YouTube too well, I know, and I am drinking bourbon.
So this week's shout out goes to our two wonderful, lovely,
fantastic friends up north, not north of A, but kind

(05:00):
of like northeast of us in Pennsylvania and the PA
not not the never mind, I was gonna say, not
in the P or the B in the A or
in the A. Yes, totally in the end.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
They put their p's and a's they do.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
So this shout out goes to Zach of what was
it like Cozy? He changed his name and I still
haven't remembered how to say it right. And to end
from Second Menopause Podcast, cheers to you guys.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
We love you both.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
We love you guys dearly.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
This is for you. Go check them out.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Back on the show again very very soon so we
can have another drunk escapade and we will make it
to Pennsylvania. Or you guys could totally move down here
to us so we can be best friends forever.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Don't move here, no, no, if they.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Move here, it might be better because we'll have best
friends here.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
I tell everyone I've told AJ don't move here.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Well, we all need to find a calmon ground and
go move there.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Not Louisville now, because Louisville sucks.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
I mean it does. But we can go find a
farm somewhere with like two houses and sure.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
A lot, as long as it's not Louisville.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Cheers up.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Oh god, I keep forgetting how old I am. Tequila
hits different this week. I still like it, though it is.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
I'll talk when my titties stop vibrating from the inside.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Oh that's why I'm not seeing him shake.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Nope, Oh my god, who yep, I'm waiting sha it's
literally moroccas in my chest. That's the sound. Oh my god,
I'm not even kidding you. That made my entire chest twitch. Well, Zach,

(07:02):
and I hope you.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Blake that they probably do. That's fine. That was awful.
God damn it. Fuck.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
I hate forty.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
I'm not even there yet, I am and I'm fine.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Oh God, maybe it's just because I'm tired.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
I'm better than you. Okay, No, I'm joking. Cool.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
You could take tequila shots.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Kinda, Oh God, And great moderation. With great moderation comes
great responsibility or whatever. Stanley said, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
At least, at least you're not four shots deep listening
to two thousand girl music.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
No, that was last week. I know.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
That's what I meant.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Well, when you drink on a budget, you got to
work with what you got. I know, I made it work.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
I was fine, fine, I was all right, right, all right,
all right?

Speaker 3 (08:01):
What song was it? Uh?

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Fireworks? Yeah, that's what I thought.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
I walk up here and he's like.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Hey, babe, I've had four shots baby.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
I was like, what the fuck I'm getting white girl wasted?

Speaker 2 (08:18):
I was white girl wasted.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
It was it was almost like electric cowboy on a Chaila.
That was me taking that awful shot.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, that's only had one and a half beers the
rest of the episode. I had to let that. I
had to let Kela settle down. I barely drank during
the show last week. Yeah. Are you ready to talk
about seven? I am so ready. Seven was directed by
David Fisher, written by Andrew Kevin Walker, starring Brad Pitt,

(08:50):
Morgan Freeman, Gwyneth Paltrow, Kevin Spacey, and John C. McGinley.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Can't Forget About Lee Ermie.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
And ar Lee Ermy music by the legendary Howard Fucking Shore.
Goat the goat, Goat god.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Ah, but I do believe the opening sequence the music
is m I did research this.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
That's fine. Let me get through this again.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Music by the legendary Howard Fucking Short. Distributed by New
Line Cinema. The House that Freddie Bilt released on September
twenty second, nineteen ninety five, with a budget of thirty
three to thirty four million and a box office total
of three hundred and twenty seven point three million dollars.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
This movie did so well and I love it still
to this day. Yes it was.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
It was nine inch Nails, the precursor to the song closer. Yeah,
that is what played at the beginning. I figured that's.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
What, like, what a nineties Yeah, you know what I
love about it though.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yeah, before we got to the opening credits, it had
like a sitcom or like a TV show theme where
you got like a cold open, yes, and then it
went into the opening credits.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Oh yeah. It opens with a montage uh John Doe,
the unidentified killer, creating a scrapbook filled with disturbing images
and note clippings. I really like one thing that stood
out to me for like the five minutes that I
watched the movie yesterday because I was dying.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
You were sick, either sick or just exhausted.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
But something could see him peel his fingers, oh, his fingerprints,
You could peel his fingerprints off. Yeah, like you watched
him cut. That's the cool part. Like you need to
watch the opening sequence just to like catch the little
things of what's to come.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
It's like a.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
It's like a little easter egg at the beginning.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, and I really I really liked that too. You didn't.
You don't really get that in these types of movies nowadays.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
No, No, the movies nowadays are boomed straight to the point.
Yeah they don't. They don't let it breathe. They don't
let it like just settle, like okay, so what's next.
They don't keep you interested.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
And I really liked the like the way that they
did the credits, like the name everyone's name was like
it like flashed and vibrated a little bit. This is
like the most like mid nineties shit I have ever
fucking seen.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Love it. I think it's flawless.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
I like the way it also one of the key
elements and it establishes the killer's methodical and obsessive nature,
setting the dark tone, but no main characters have yet
been in introduced.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Right.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
I love that, Yeah, I love that. So then we
open to Morgan Freeman getting ready classic and he's going
to the cult that he was called upon, and this
is where he meets Brad Pitt. So Detective summer Set

(12:26):
is Morgan Freeman. Yeah, and it is Detective Mills who
is Brad Pitt. So when we say summer Set, make
sure you guys remember that that is Morgan Freeman.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Well we can just use their real names if you want.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
It doesn't matter, or they can follow along.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah, join us on this adventure. It is the case
of finding John Doe.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
I like the opening sequence with Morgan Freeman because it's
like he does stuff in an order, Like his alarm
goes off, he gets up, he showers, he brushes his teeth,
he grabs, he opens the drawer, grabs the specific pin,

(13:13):
puts it in his pocket, and he like, what is
that word meticulous? Meticulous? Yeah, So it's like he has
a way, a method of.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Doing things, like a certain order. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Like for instance, like in the mornings, when I wake up,
I get up, I let the dogs out, I wake
Gunner up, and I'll take a shower, and then Gunner
will take a shower, and then or while I'm taking
a shower, he'll feed the dogs. So it's like there's
an order of things that you you get into a rhythm.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
My my morning routine is get up, take a shit, brush,
my teeth, put on deodorant, get dressed, and I'm out
the door. Right, that's great, all within like fifteen minutes.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
And sometimes let Randy out if.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
I can wake him up off the couch.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Lazy, but he's the lazy.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
But but yeah, So Morgan Freeman is nearing retire His
character Somerset is nearing retirement.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Isn't he has seven days left of being a detective?

Speaker 2 (14:18):
That's why that isn't he retiring after this?

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Seven days? Yeah, he has seven days left before his retirement.
You can hear him talking to Mills. Yeah, and Mills
was brought on to take his place, right, so he
had to shadow Somerset for this case. But this case
ran a little bit longer than they were expecting.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, but yeah, that's what I was saying. Isn't Morgan
Summerset He's this is his final his final go at
it this is his final case. Yeah, his last hurrah.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Well, they're thinking it's gonna take a couple of days
to try and solve.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, ends up taking off. And that's what I love
about this, Like you get like it starts off Sunday,
you get as each and as we go on through
this film, you get like each sin Like on Sunday
there's this murder. On Monday, there's this one. It's and
it goes all the way into Saturday.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
I uh, I don't think it's that long though. No,
it's longer than that.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
No, they show the day of the week that it is. Yeah,
I noticed that when I was watching it yesterday.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
I didn't notice that.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, Like if you look in the bottom of the
on the bottom of the screen, it'll say what day
of the week.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
It is, because I thought that he specifically said at
one point in time in the movie, this is going
to take longer than I thought. Yeah, And he was
like packing up his stuff and Mills was moving in.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah, he thought it was just gonna take like a
couple of days.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
But he went back to I forgot his I know
the actor's name, but I don't know his character's name.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Lee Army yeah, who's the boss. Boss, he's the captain.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Name captain, and he was like, hey, I'm gonna be
here a little bit longer than I expected.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah. Well, they thought it was going to take just
like you know, a couple of days and they're done
and he can go home. It ended up taking a
full seven day week.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
So then we get to Somerset arriving on location and
he's talking to the detective and the detective or not
the detective, the police officer. He's like, is he dead, Well,
I don't know if he's dead, Like, he hasn't moved
since I've been here, and I've been here fifteen minutes.
And then you could see the hot headed Mills when

(16:25):
they introduce each other. When they get introduced, Somerset's like,
let me do my job, hang on just watching. Mills
is like, let me in, let me in there, let
me do it.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Didn't Mills move. They moved in from like Oklahoma.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Or something like that, moved clear across country.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Because Gwyneth Palcher has a little bit of a Southern accent.
I don't think so she does.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
I well know, but what I meant is I know
that he said that they.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Moved hours away, Okay.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Said there was nothing in my areak.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
She might just be like she must have just grown
up in the South.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
I guess could have. But he said in that first
couple of scenes, he told Somerset, No, it was the
it was at the end. So after they walk into
the the.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Building where what was it?

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Glutney? Where they found Gluttney.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
On Sunday he.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Uh Mills told Somerset, I wanted to work in a
big city. And he said, why did you choose this
big city? He said, it was the only one with
an opening. Yeah, and I wanted to work in a
big city, like I want.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Good New York, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
I don't think they don't specifically say where it is.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
It looks like yeah, And I have a question.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
I don't know if I can answer.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Why the like is this like during the Fall ninety
five until the end of this movie, it is raining
and it doesn't fucking stop stop no raining. No, they're
we've had that here.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
No, there's a few scenes where it stops raining, but
it's briefly constantly fucking raining.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Most of this movie. It's raining.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Let's see if I remember correctly. October twenty nineteen, Haunts
season for me, Out of the four weekends in October,
three of them literally nothing but fucking rain.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
October last year we had the flood.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yeah, all the rain.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
It rained every day, Yeah, it did.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
It did almost every day in October.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
So we get Greed, which is a very obeste man
that has been found with his face down in a
plate of spaghetti. They're looking around trying to see what's
going on. They find that cabinet full of spaghetti sauce.

(18:56):
So the key, the key of this one, like the
the takeaway I get from this is this scene is
where you can see the difference between Somerset, Morgan Freeman,
and Mills brad Pitt's character.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
I mean, are we on green now?

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, Okay, the fat man Glutney, Yeah, Gluttney Yeah, and
he's got his wrists and ankles are bound in barbed wire.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
And you can see the difference between Somerset and Mills.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
The the Mills is hot headed and I'm going to
make an assumption right now, and Somerset's like, hold on,
there's more to it.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Than just yes, there's one thing. There's one part in
that that I thought was kind of funny. It made
me like chuck a little bit. When they lifted the
victim's head up out of the ball. The doctor goes, oh,
he's dead, and you hear Mills go yeah, thanks doc, like,
no shit, like the friend guy. Yeah, he just picks

(20:01):
his head up and he's like poking his eye. He goes, oh,
he's dead.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yeah, he poked him on the face and he was like, yeah,
he's dead.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, thanks Dot like no ship, Welcome to the fucking
crime scene, pal, we're here for the murder. It's like, okay,
you kind of suck at your job.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
That was funny to me. Let's see and uh, what
was it they said? They? Uh? Was he? He was?
He he was force fed to death.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Well, we're getting there. We're getting there. Okay, Then of
course we're at the We go back to the police
station where Somerset is discussing his impending retirement.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
It's that website that's of seven.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
And he's he's pretty much telling the captain, who is
played by Lee Ermie. Uh, he's just he's done with
the violence in that city.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Eyebrows.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Oh my god, Oh thank god, yours aren't that bad.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
That's why I do what I do to mind. I
see I see old dudes and movies with big guess eyebrows.
I'm like, God, I'm glad, I do. I don't want that. Yep,
these dusters, these fucking brooms on my face. Hell no,
thick black pillars.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
They're not They're not black. Thank god, they're blonde.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
And no armies were black. I like he put just
for men only his eyebrowns.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
You just tell he was still younger, younger. But this
is where Somerset and Mills like Somersets Like, dude, Mills,
you don't want this for your first case here, like chill,
but Mills is like, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Do, I want it. Let's go. I want to show myself.
Let me prove Yeah, well, I guess because he knew
that he had to kind of fell like take over
the mantle of the talents of Somerset.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
No, it's not the talents. He just wants to prove himself.
He doesn't want to take his talent.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Well those are like not take nm, but like those
are big shoes to fill. I want to honor this.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
He just wants to meet He is paired with Summerset
because Somerset is the best.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah, he's the top guys.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Just trying to show the captain I know what I'm
talking about, like, yeah, I got a big dick too,
and yeah he does. Then we get to meet Tracy,
which is Gwyneth Paltrow. Yes, we get to meet his wife.
So they go back to the morgue to talk to

(22:22):
the the mortician. Mortician.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Uh no, the there's a word no morticians working funerals.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They go back to the
Oh the person who the Oh my god, we just
fucking watched it the other day on the resident. Motherfucker.
It's not the mor doctor.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
I'm putting in a layman's terms.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Hold on, hold on. When you when you cut somebody.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Open, you are chess break. No I'm not a xenomorph ril. No, No,
that's chessbuster.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
When you take them autopsy, Oh, there we go, so autotopsy, autotopsy.
So the the doctor who did the autopsy in the
city morgue, I guess you could say they said that
the he said that there that he you could tell
he was force fed. Yeah, because a stomach was stretched

(23:23):
and it was loose, and they literally he mentions putting
a bucket under there was a bucket that was found
underneath the dude. So he was tied to that chair,
force fed and had to.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Ship in a bucket. Yeah, oh god, that would be
so bad. Me when we go to Mexican. You want
me to get you a bucket? I force feed myself.
Oh that's chips, salsa and queso.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, so worth it, Rice, And if I have to
die that way, I at least want it to be Elpaul.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
So the next one, I means glutty. No, Monday morning
was greed, gluttony. Greed is Tuesday. So there is a
murder of a wealthy defense attorney Eli Gould. That sounds Jewish, obviously,

(24:19):
H love the Jewish people, we love everybody. Well, he's
found dead in his office with greed written in blood
on the floor. A pound of flesh was cut from
his body, and a note leads them to the phrase
seven Deadly Sins. Somerset realizes the killer is staging these

(24:41):
murders based on the seven Deadly Sins. Gluttony agreed. The
methodical nature of the crimes escalates the stakes. Who's next?

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Goldberg said that Brocklasner, You're next, and.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
I've really So this is where Somerset goes to the
library and he starts researching the Seven Deadly Sins. Now,
for those of you who have never researched the Seven
Deadly Sins with Dante's Inferno, those are some pretty powerful
artwork pieces.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Another great movie, by the way, Dante's Inferno, Chris Prosin.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
I feel like I've seen it, but I haven't. I
don't know. It's been a minute. But if you get
a chance, go research it, like read it and really
look at those pictures.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
It's so's it's really well.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Even the stories, oh my god, well not just the stories,
but it's interesting though. It's like, have you have you
seen the Dante's Inferno pictures of this stuff?

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (25:44):
The actually that that painting is featured. Lex Luthor has
it in Batman v.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Superman. Yeah he has no, not that one. There's another one.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Dante's Inferno pictures. Like, the artwork is fucking phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
It really, it's gorgeous. I'm thinking of a different painting though,
but I do know.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
But he studies Dante's Inferno Chancers, Canterbury Tales and other
tales linking the murders to the sins. I really like
the way that Summerset's intellectual approach to this and like, hey,
we need to think about this before we try and
make the next steps, and Mills is.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Like, I'm gonna crash through the wall. Yeah, it's a
You could tell that Somerset really did his homework on
this particular topic.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
He is doing it right now on Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yeah, but he was, I guess, trying to familiarize him
or refamiliarize himself with it.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
It was something he knew, but he just wanted to
brush up on it to kind of relearn it again
to help with the case.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
And then isn't this this is where Tracy meets Mills's wife,
Gwyneth Paltrow. Yeah, meets with Somerset in a diner, and
she said, I don't want to be here. I'm scared
for Mills, Like, I'm scared for my husband. He's gonna
get killed. This isn't a.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Place that was later on it, Yes, because first he
comes over to their home for dinner. Oh that's how
they met.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
H oh yeah, uh huh, My notes are messed up.
Oh sh Yeah. So then the third murder is sloth.
On Wednesday, the detectives are called to a derelict apartment
where a man Victor, a drug dealer, is found strapped

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to a bed.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
I that loved the fucking makeup that guy.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
I loved the whole scene, the whole fucking swat team
comes bursting in through this fucking apartment.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Fucking uh from Scrubs.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yeah, I don't know his name. I haven't seen Scrubs
and forever, but but you know what I'm talking about, yeah,
rub Yeah, the asshole doctor.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Sorry, I'm not a Scrubs fan. I like she was.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Well, I don't remember the names of anybody.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
You know who I'm talking about, though, yes I do.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
But I love the way that they're like leave this
to the big guys, and like they bust in and
they're trying to like figure out if the bad guy
is in there, and it's literally a fucking trap house.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Is John C. Mcinley doctor Cox from Scrubs.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
That's right. I keep forgetting Cox because he's a cock.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
He's a cock socker.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
He is a cock. Oh no, total homo. He's a asshole.
Hate him in this in the show, but he is
funny though. He's a funny asshole. He's like Aaron Oh
my god. If I could explain doctor Cox as a
person as eron.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
But he does have a warm heart. Oh yeah, but
he's a he's an ass. He's a fucking dick. Aaron.
You know we love you, buddy, you know we love
you so much. I have proof you are a brother
to us.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
But no, I love the way that they bust into
the room and there's fucking car air fresheners.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Oh, the tree all over, like covered thousands. They're on
the bed surrounding the guy.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Yes, and they're like, oh god, this is gross. He's
fucking dead. He's in his own excrement. And then he
like and he like it makes a noise. Oh god,
he's alive.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Get paramedics in here. Hey, you know what, he's alive.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Let's all point our shotguns at him.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Zombie, rememberbie.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah, but they were also on high alert because this
person had already killed two people at this point, so
maybe they caught him.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
I feel like it's good that I wasn't on that
swat team because I would have It's okay, guys, I
watched The Walking Dead. I know how to do this.
Rick Grimes taught me how to do this. Rick Grimes
taught me how to handle this situation. It's fine, GEORGI
Romerow told me everything I need to know how to
handle people who look like that.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
There were the makeup, Oh yeah, Oh my god, God,
is that Doug Jones?

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Is that Greg Nikotaro?

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Well no, the character?

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Oh yeah, you know what, maybe that wasn't. I don't
know who the actor was, but I'm gonna go that's
a Doug Jones cameo.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Doug Jones if I've ever seen one, I'm just god
because the like he was emaciated as fuck.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
The blisters that were like all over his body. Those
are bed sores.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Okay, are bedes not blisters. So with a bed sore
they said, he's been there for a year.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Yeah, over a year. So with bed sores. If if
you are bedridden and you're on and you have pressure
points you know when you lay down. Yeah, my pressure
points are my butt and my shoulders. Yes, so if
I'm laying in a bed, I'm gonna get sores on
my butt because.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
I'm talking about like on the tops of his legs
and his chest. You could see like he's red, Like.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yeah, those are sores because he rotate him enough.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Okay, so they can they tell.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
You like in nursing homes.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah, they're bed ridden.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
You have to keep rotating them different angles to keep
them from getting.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Bet So those bedstres can appear on top of your
body even if you're just laying on your background.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
No, he probably flipped him over.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Okay, but bedstores look like I've never seen bedstrece, so
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Oh they're gross, but so do they look like little
like red and orange.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Okay, yeah, like little clusters of them.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
They're just pressure points to where there's no blood flow,
and it just pretty much gets infected.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Because this dude had him like on his shins, on
his like on his belly, that's true.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
It could have been bugs eating him.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Like bug bites that got infected, could have been anything.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
I mean he literally chained him to the bed and
starved him for a year.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
That was God.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
But I that makeup is fucking great.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
It's so good. It's so good. It is so fucking good. Yes,
I love it so the.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Just and to see the cops like react to them
being like him still being alive, like he turned around,
like cops turned around and threw up. They were like
this is awful.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
I mean, I get it, oh, one hundred percent. I
would I mean, you see a lot of shit if
you're a cop or swat or whatever like that. Yeah,
but seeing something like that has to be yeah, unreal.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
The shocking state of the victim alive but ruined, intensifies
the horror. The killer's patience and cruelty are now evident.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
He's really thought out this, and he's really thought out
like who he wants to go? Who's Yeah, who's victims?

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Almost sort of like a uh like uh like a
jigsaw sort of mentality.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Again, what did I say when we watched this a
couple of weeks ago? This was Saw before Saul was Saw.
If you want out of it, you're gonna have to
figure your way out. Yeah, Like but I feel like
this one, Yeah, this is your You don't have a
way out, right, Like you can't cut your fucking arm
off to get out of this. Yeah, Like you're dead, Yeah,

(33:27):
by your own fault, of your own history. So Somerset Mills,
they're tracking a lead to a suspects apartment. I really
don't think these are in order.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Go for it up next uh day.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
So I'm looking, I'm thinking, I know, hold on, uh
sloth emaciated Somerset Mills track a lead to a suspects apartment.
After Brad I mean an informant, they encounter John Doe
Kevin Spacey is still unnamed, who flees after shooting at them. Oh,

(34:09):
this is where they pay off the the.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
He's then John Doe's the photographer.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Yes, yeah, yeah, but the the lady who lives in
the apartment building. They they asked for a lead in that, like, hey,
do you know who lives here? Like, we have a
we have an idea of who might be here, and
that's that's kind of what I feel. Yeah, and so

(34:37):
they isn't this where Mills is like wanting to bust
down the fucking door.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah, let me break it down. He's like, no, don't
do that, We'll get a warrant. Well, no, let me
break it down.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
We uh, the we had the photographer was he kept
taking pictures of Somerset and Mills, and Mills was getting
pissed off and you could uh summer. So it was like, hey,
they pay us good money for press, and Mills is like,
well he was just like.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
I don't know, man, he was pissing me off.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
These are backwards my bad near find uh. So at
Doe's apartment, the detectives illegally searched Doe's apartment, finding a
dark room, religious paraphernalia, and hundreds of notebooks filled with
deranged thoughts. They discover a photo of a prostitute linking
the next sin lust.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
This was my favorite kill the.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah, unfortunately it's kind of is mine too. But they
encounter John Doe, who flees after shooting them, but chase
ensues through the rainy city, but Doe escapes after injuring Mills.
This is where he does he Oh the chase, Oh
that was a good chase.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah. John Doe shot the shot at Mills but missed
and shut out the window.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Yeah, but isn't that where Mills got hurt though?

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, we're here in his hand.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I thought he got hurt.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah, they're on that chase and he's at.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
The truck and he had the gun pointed to his
head and Mills was like wait.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Wait, wait, wait wait, He's like right there.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Yeah, I know, but Mills couldn't catch him. Yeah, but
I also think that also brings down Mills, Like he's
up here thinking he's a bad ass. Yeah, but then
when John Doe gets him, it brings him down here
a little bit, he didn't catch him.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
I liked that John Doe kept the gun like pushed
up against mills head so Mills couldn't turn and look
at him. Yeah, yeah, every because you could see, like
every time Mills would try to turn his head to look,
you could see like force on the on the barrel
of the pistol, like he was pushing up against his

(36:42):
head to keep him from.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Looking at him.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
That hand injury. Yeah fuck yeah, owl yeah owl.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
It was badass of Mills to like, I'm not fucking
changing my shirt. Yeah, I'm not gonna go home and
change or go to the hospital. Just wrap it up
up and let's get back to work.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
I just want to say on the next sin of.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Mills was a badass to me, and at that moment,
like Mills is the dog, He's got dog in him.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
You also know that Somerset did that when he was
a rookie too.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah, Like I know that.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Mills doesn't say that he's a rookie, but you can
tell that, Yes, he's been a detective in a small
town for.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
A while, but this department, he's city.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
You are definitely. That's like if I if I went
to a new hotel or started at the front desk.
I'm totally a rookie here, Yeah, I'm a rookie.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Well, it's like because Mills, I mean to, before you
become a detective, you got to be like a regular
beat cop.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Yeah, and as a detective. But he's still a rookie detective.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Well at this Yeah, but I mean when he first
joined the forest like as a whole, he was just
a cop.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
Do you want to go ahead with the next one?

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Are we doing? Are we talking about the less kill?

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Oh my god, Yeah, that poor lady. Oh and we
gotta we got a little bit of an E R
crossover doctor.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
He was on the R. I know you know who
he is on the R.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
He was my least favorite, uh doctor on the R.
But him in the when they when they get into
the you can hear this, him screaming like oh.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
No, no, no, I love his fucking performance and that
when he's.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Get this off, me, get this off me said he
had a gun in my map.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
I remember before I actually passed out last night, I
could hear him.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
He had a gun in my bow.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Yeah, hold on, I'll tell you his name.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Do you remember what it was that he had that woman?

Speaker 3 (38:45):
Was he had a knife on his wei.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Wii ugh that poor woman. Lucian Yeah, oh doctor from
e R. Yeah, doctor Lucian's uh luci.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Luci.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
This is one of your top three favorite TV show
two favorite TV shows of all time? Top three hold
on mash Er The Walking Dead.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Oh yeah, but I have a little bit more than that.
But oh shit, he wasn't taken.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Okay, yeah, he is actually leam Neeson. I've never seen
that so but yeah, doctor Lucian blank from ER.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Well, his real name is Leland.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Yeah, Lucian Leland, Leeland, Lucian Banco, doctor Debanco.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Yep, doctor Debanco from er yep.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
It was.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
But I his performance and that was great. I like
the way that they when they showed up to the club.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
They were like, showed the fucking kill. Yeah, this is
the only kill that they showed too.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Yeah. Well there was a video of it, that's why.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
And now I like the way that they showed up
to the club and they're like we're here for police
business and they're like fine whatever. As they let him
in and he's sitting there and they're like, get that
off him, just get it off of him.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
And then when he's at the station for questioning. Yeah,
that poor man.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Yeah, he's gonna have a lot of He's gonna have
like four therapists.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
And they're all going to be like, dude, I don't
know man, that like, I don't feel cool with this.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
I like, are you insurance? Can I buy you a beer?

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Can I buy you a bottle of bourbon?

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Here's some money? Yeah, go to Vegas and have just
have fun, so deserve the world.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Again, we should have probably said this, but it's thirty
years old. Spoilers, and fuck your spoilers.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
As a woman with a vagina, yep, if what do
you think that pain would be?

Speaker 3 (40:49):
I would I would just kill me.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
I mean you're on you're clearly on your way out
the door now. No, if that were happening.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
To you, no, no, just shoot me as it's happening. No,
after the first time, just take it out and stab
me in my face. Just kill me right now, don't.
I don't want to live this. Yeah no, I do
not want to live this. Yeah, no, absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
I don't think I would be okay with even having
a blade within five feet of my penis.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
No, I'm not cool with that. That scares me enough
so after having seen this movie, like, ugh, for.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Those of you who have probably never seen this, or
if you have, we're going to reiterate. At a sex club,
they find a prostitute killed in a horrific manner. A
client was forced at gunpoint to use a bladed device
on her, with lust written at the scene. The client, traumatized,
provides little information the brutality of the murderer. The brutality

(41:52):
of the murder underscores does sadistic creativity this one.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
This one was.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Probably the abs salute fucking worst out.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Of all of them. It really helped me understand how
Kevin Spacey got the lex Luthor role eleven years later.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
He had to put himself in that position of I'm
a psycho.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Yah. Yeah, So do you remember when you were in seven? Yeah,
there was.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
That uh John Doe John Doe because we don't know
his real name throughout the entire fucking movie. Yeah, it was.
So it was like a strap on, but it had
a fucking hunting knife.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
A ghost face knife was yeah, on the.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Erect part of it. And he's I put the gun
in dude's mouth and said fuck her. And it was
a prostitute. So the prostitute didn't.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Matter, like, no, shoot me, no, fuck her, I'll kill you.
Didn't kill me because I'm not.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Couldn't because he said he had a family. Did you
not hear that part?

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Yeah? No, I'm saying if it was me, Oh yeah,
oh was it? If you don't do this, I'm killing
your family.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Oh no, he did it because it was just a prostitute.
And he didn't want to die because he had a family.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Okay, oh yeah, so it was kill her or you die.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Yeah, And he said I have a family.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Kill me. Then I couldn't end good faith do something
like that. That's just that's fucked up. I mean, that's
fucked up. I mean, yeah, dude, you're out there, you know,
cheating on your wife, which is bad enough, but you're
about to kill somebody.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
This feels way worse. Yea, because either you kill her
or I kill you. Well, there's somebody.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Dies supply down there.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
If you didn't know.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Somebody's dying today, let her go. Man, I'm sorry, I
fucked up? Yeah, but what do you mean give about it? Though?

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Would would do you think that John Doe would have
killed him and her if he killed him?

Speaker 2 (44:08):
I don't think he would.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Have let her go.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
She was gonna die either.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Way, exactly. That's what I'm saying, she say, lowly prostitute.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Yeah, but I mean, if I'm putting myself in nowhere,
if I'm putting myself in his shoes, if i have
to fuck, if I have to either die get shot
in the head or fuck this woman with a knife
on my dick, shoot me. She's gonna die either way. Sorry,
not me, You don't think so.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
I would save my own life and explain and deal
with the consequences after.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
But I'm yeah, yeah, no, that's I'm sorry. Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Yes, my home life would be absolutely fucking wrecked because
I fucked up.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Yeah, but I'm alive.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Yeah, I personally would rather well, well did that.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
That's just that's that's you know what it is, all right?
Kill him a horrible shot, horrible shot. But this one
can't wait for my birthday episode?

Speaker 3 (45:11):
Like Jesus, fuck FYI, Easter Egg again. Every episode Easter Egg.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Jace is coming this one.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
What Jace will be on the show. Please don't say that.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Oh that way, sorry, Jace is on his way, thank you. Oh,
I don't even like that.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
He will be here we'll be present on the show.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
He will be here.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Okay, that's a little bit better. Okay, you've never heard
the sounds that I've heard.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
So well, no, no, man, no, I start.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
A room with him for eighteen years.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
That's fair. That's fair, that's fair.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
I lived through his teenage years. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
You were there when he learned how to do that
to himself.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Oh god, I was there when he cut the mattress
and the doll.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Hello, darkness, my old friend is fortunate son playing in.
There's helicopters and gunfire. Yes, this is your Vietnam yep. Alright,
well let's get off that. Then.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
No, you got the lust like just because he left
a person alive and his perform Oh my god, so good.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Best supporting actor in my book. Oh, he's so good.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Supporting supporting actor. The fifth murder is Pride Gay. The
model is found A model is found dead in her apartment.
Her face is mutilated and the nose is cut off.
She was given a choice to call for help or
die beautifully, and chose suicide.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
She odd on sleeping pills. Yep.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Somerset and Mills realized only two sins remain, envy and wrath.
The pattern is undeniable, and the detectives feel helpless to
stop the next murders. Somerset urges Mills to stay detached,
do not get attached, Do.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Not collect two hundred dollars.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
Do not Pascoe, do not collect two hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
But you must be the monopoly guy. We're doing that movie.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
Too, but with pride. Like when they remove the bandages,
you could hear anyone within sight view go.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Oh they were sorry, that was me that did that.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
I wish they would have showed it, because my god,
but they gave her an easy out. I mean John
Doe literally was like, Hey, do you want to be
found mutilated and alive? Do you want to be mutilated
for the rest of your life? Or do you think
you're so beautiful enough you should just go ahead and die. Yeah,

(47:51):
that's kind of what he did. Beauty is in the
eye of the beer holder. Oh so I'm gorgeous to you.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
No, you have white claw, I have beer.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
No, I meant I'm gorgeous to you because you have
the beer.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
You are pretty well, thank you, so is the beer.
You know, I love you beer.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
So Okay, these are really fucking weird.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Say what you mean.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Wrath and what was the last one's wrath and envy? Yes,
wrath and envy.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Envy and wrath. Envy was first, and then wrath. Wrath
was last. Wrath was the last.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
So after we get through Pride, we've already Tracy has
already talked to Somerset at this point like, Hey, I
don't want my husband here doing this. I don't feel
like it's for him. I feel lonely, I'm left out,
I'm sad. Yeah, like, can you try and shuff shuffle
him away from this case? Yeah, he's too involved, he's

(48:58):
not sleeping like things like that. In Somerset's like, well,
I would love to do that, but he's a man
of his own accord.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Yeah, And it was a pretty pretty uh like what's
the word. It was a pretty intense, like heart to
heart that it really was.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Well, she's being genuine and like, hey, I don't like
the big city.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
I want to go home, and he's trying to explain
to her, Hey, look this it kind of comes with
the territory.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Yeah, but he's also like, well let me talk to him,
let me see what I can do.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
I really like.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Their bond, their friendship, Like, yeah, it would be like
one of your buddies at work.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Gwyneth Paltrow in Somerset or.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Brad Pitt, No, Gwyneth Paltrow in Somerset. Yeah, where when
they invite him over and they're like, it's a shitty apartment.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
You know what, it kind of reminds me of a
little bit. It's like a.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Like a dad kind of giving like a a cheer
up talk to like his like his kid or something
like that, you know what I mean, like.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
His kid's friend. Yeah, to where it's like like your
kid is my kid's best friend, but you're a friend,
and let me talk.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
He's given like like father almost fatherly, Yeah, like that advice.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
And you also find out that Somerset had a wife
and had a family and they left. Yeah, and so
he was just like because of this job.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Yeah when he leaves. When he came over for uh,
when they met the first.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Time, yeah, yeah, that was that was touching.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
I want to backtrack real quick briefly to to when
Somerset came to their apartment, we got to meet Mills
and Gwyneth Palchow's uh good boys boys. Why so what
really bothered there? Was something that bothered me about that.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
So all the newspapers on the floor, You know what
dogs do on a newspaper. How come brad Pitt had
to go rolling around in there.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
She probably just cleaned it, you think.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
So, yeah, I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
But it was cool that you see like a little
quick shot of like Brad Pitt like sitting on the
floor those two their dogs.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
And he's just like the German shepherds babies. They were
just goofing, like Daddy's home. I want to play with
Daddy for a little bit. Yeah, I love that. It
was so cute, like, no, that's home, that's home.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
He wants to wrestle, So he goes like in the
in the dog's little room and he like sits on
the floor and plays with him and wrestles with him
for a little bit. And you see Somerset look over
and he's watching them and he kind of smiles, like, man, I.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Missed that life. And that's when she had asked him,
so are you married, do you have children or anything
like that, and he's like no, I no. The job
kind of like kind of absorbed my life and it
kept me away from from that world.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
I thought he had a wife. I thought he said
eventually he had a wife.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
No, he he had been with a woman, but they had.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Split because he was married to his job.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Yeah he was. He was never married to her.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Okay, okay, but I thought he had a wife and
kids but they moved away because of his job.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
No, no, no, no, that's what I thought too.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
When I watched it last night, I was like, oh, okay,
I guess I because he and he kind of like
breaks it down in an odd way that it's it's
kind of easy to misinterpret, I guess a little bit.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
So then we get to uh John Doe surrendering.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
One.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Honestly, this is where the like I love the whole
last movie start to finish. But this part when you
see him like his feet let the cab door open.
You see like in the background, well it starts off,
you see Mills in Somerset and walking into the station,
just like talking and having a conversation, and you see
that cab drive up and stead.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
I have to say, I like the way that Mills
always get Somerset coffee and Somerset's like, no, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Yeah, Mills is like damn.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
But then later on you see Somerset holding a cup
of coffee. It's like it's fine, Like I'll get it myself.
It's fine, but I do I do love how Like
as it goes on up to this point, Mills is
looking at Somerset like, I know we've only known each
other for a week but five days, but dude, you're
like like you're a hero to me. Like I'm glad

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I'm with you, Like you're you're the goat.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Yeah, you're doing good.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Dude. If I could shadow anybody, you're the guy.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Isn't there a point where Somerset Mills moves into Somerset's
office in Somerset's like I'm not done yet, dude, But
Mills is like, I'll share.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Yeah, let's just share. Yeah, they share the office. Yeah.
You see him like unpacking his box and putting his
picture frames of him and him and going with Paltrow
out I keep forgetting her name, Tracy, Tracy, thank you.
But yeah, So John.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Doe steps out of the cab. You see his foot
steps and you're like, oh, is this it is?

Speaker 2 (53:54):
This?

Speaker 3 (53:55):
It what's going on?

Speaker 2 (53:56):
And he's a detectively nails.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
I love that shot of him getting out of the
Cabinet's just like a close up of his shoes, and
the camera stays there, doesn't move, and you just see
John Doe like his his frame and growing in frame
until you see his like his full body, but from
the back.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
He walks into the police station covered in blood. Detective, detective,
and everybody stops. He walked past all these cops.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Covered in blood, yeah, and not one of them looked up,
not one like who is this fucking guy?

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Yep? Someone should have been like, Okay.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
Something's wrong.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
What what happened to you? Oh? Whoa whoa? Whoa?

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Whoa whoa whoa whoa?

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Yeah, whoa bro? Whoa you good? Whoa? But that whoa
and you hear like. One thing I noticed when I
was watching this last night is when he says detective
and you hear all the chatter and the like you
know when like hundreds of people are in a room,
all talking at once and you just hear that noise. Yeah,

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when he screams detective, you hear you hear crickets. Yeah,
everyone at the same exact moment shut up, and all
eyes on him, not a breath, no, not like. I
love he is holding court. I love that that really

(55:29):
like because that this is when we're introduced to John Doe.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
But at the same time though, that also sets precedents
for John Doe.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Yeah he has power.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Yeah, he had power over the entire police precinct.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
He is running the ship exactly when he goes you're
looking for me and holds his hands up and you
see the bandages on his fingertips and they're bloodied, and
his shirt and everyone.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Is you could hear a pin drop. Oh yeah, when
he screams detective, all you hear is that you hear
a pin drop? You can love that this man is
holding court now.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
Then they bring him into the interrogation room and they're trying, yeah,
to get anything out of him.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
And then they bring in the fucking.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Lawyers, who really, you have to be a snake ass,
fucking shit lawyer to if.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
You're a defense attorney. So here's what I know about
defense attorneys.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
Was he appointed or did.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
John Doe request request?

Speaker 1 (56:41):
I think he was appointed. You could tell by his suit.
It was kind of like sloppy. But here's what I
know about defense attorneys. It's not so much of I'm
gonna try to get this guy off so he can
go home. It's more of how long or how little time.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Can I get him to spend in jail? Or what
kind of deal can I get him to like agree to?

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Yeah, but he fought for him to get a good deal,
which is why I kind of wonder if John Doe
gave him money to be his defense.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
See, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
I don't think he was appointed.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Well. See, that's that's what's weird about defense attorneys.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
I don't think he was because he I feel like
this defense attorney was like high ball you think, so,
I really do, because why was he requesting like he
just gets parole or he gets a slap on the
wrist and gets house arrested or some how can you
prove it that my my client did this like he

(57:41):
was really fighting, He was asking for the like he
was he was for sure that he would just get
the bare minimum.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Yeah. Well, defense attorneys are more of like what kind
of what kind of plea deal can I get? No?

Speaker 3 (57:54):
No, no, no, no. He he said he we will
give you, he will he will do something and will
give you the last.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Two victims or reduced sentence something like that. But for
the last two, for the last two it was life
not death penalty. I think maybe I'm wrong. You watched
it last night.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Yeah, but I know he said he'll give you the
last two victims if he gets this.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
He was trying to get it lowered for the last two.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Which we find out as total bullshit.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
So John Do, Doe's lawyer, negotiates Dough will lead Somerset
and Mills to the final two bodies, envy and wrath
if they go alone with him to a remote location.
Against Somerset's instincts, they agree, desperate to resolve the case.
This sets up the climatic confrontation. Tension builds as Doe

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remains in control the whole time, which is fucking great.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
It was wild. It was great. So the conversation that
they have in the car between John and Mills was.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
Like, haaunting Doe. Just ye, haaunting Mills.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Mill, And in my head every time I've watched this movie,
I'm like, dude, Mills, turn around and just ignore his
ass talk to Somerset. But that's pretend, pretend. Yeah, well
he was basically.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Yeah, he's a newbie and he's hot.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Summerset should have been like, listen, just just ignore him.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Did in a nonchalant way. He kept telling Mills, chill, Yeah,
chill out. Stop.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
He should have been like up front, dude, turn around,
talk to me, pretend like he's not here.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
But at the same time, though, Somerset wanted to get
to the bottom of it.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Yeah, because he was asking questions to.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Somerset was trying to slightly instigate Mill to the point of,
I play good cop, you play bad cop. You get
what you want out of him, and I'll collect that
information and make it work like that. I got that
the way that I was feeling about that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
I got a little bit of that too.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
So I mean, it would be like me and you
punishing Gunner, where it's like, come on, dude, what the
hell happened?

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
But you're like why did this happen? Not that that
is actually how it is.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
I'm just amp.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
You calm down.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
But it would be like, hey, like he did he
did good. He gotta he got a C on this grade,
But why didn't you get an A?

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
He did go? He tried his best, like he's he's yeah,
he did.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Like I feel like that was the the vibe from
between the both of them, right, and then the U.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
So in the.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Desert dough, Somerset and Mills drive to a desert location
under power lines.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
And at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
They've got air, they've got land. There's no sea because
it's desert, but there's you know, they've got cops hundreds
of yards behind them, just staying close enough that if
they need anybody, they're there. They have the air keeping visuals.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
There's a camper at that desert. I want to know
what the fuck was in there was that John Doe's.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Could have been or it just some of it was
covered in a tarp.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
I could have been.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
I don't know. I want to know the apartment he did,
that's why he ran. So do you think that camper
was just like an abandoned thing? Yeah? Okay, uh.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Doughton's Mills about his marriage and life, while Somerset tries
to keep Mills calm right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
No, go ahead, finish, and then I want to I
want to.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Delivery man arrives unexpectedly and Somerset intercepts it, finding a
box that poor delivery.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Man hold on.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
So while we're in the desert, you you get after
they make John Doe get in.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
I love this, so I'm gonna I'm gonna jump in here.
So Mills makes John get on his knees.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
But you keep every time it goes on Mills, this
dude is like front and center at the camera and
his face is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Just stoic stone wall.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
But but every now and then, every time he would
finish a sentence, he would kind of like smirk a
little bit. But his he never blinked.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
His eyes were always.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Knew if there is what he did, and he knew
he was going.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
If there is a punchable face in any film ever
produced by anybody since the dawn of cinema, every time
John Doe opens his mouth and it's got that camera
shot like directly at him, Oh my god, dude, shut
the fuck up. I am gonna I'm gonna thump you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Yeah, dude, yep. But Mills is like, shut the fuck up. Man.
If it was me, I'm pistol whipping that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Oh yeah yeah, got spitting teeth out your nose.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Yeah, I'm about to pistol whip this and on god
damn beat his ass.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
So I like the exchange between Somerset and the radio chopper.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
Like I like the way that they're shaving their chest
before we get to this point. Yes, Like they're like, okay,
so I'm taping in we're all miked up. They can
hear us, we can hear them.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
And the delivery van drives up and he's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Like, hey man, I'm just supposed to deliver this. He
paid me five hundred bucks to drive out here, drive
out here, drop off this box.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
And Somerset opens it and he was like, and you
keep seeing mills, stay back, Mills, stay back, and you're
just like, what's in the box.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
And you keep seeing John Doe doing this face and
he's talking, He's going one. His eyes are smiling. Yeah,
his eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
Are smiling all of his face.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Yeah, God damn it. I want to punch this motherfucker. Oh.
I want to punch this motherfucker so fucking bad. Yep. Oh.
And then when Somerset they what was it? They thought
it was a bomb.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Yeah, they thought it was a bomb. They said wait stop,
and Somerset told the delivery guy to get back in
the van and run. Just yeah, he said, just run.
So he just fucking takes off running.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Well, then he goes send someone to pick him up.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
Yeah, so he Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Clearly this guy's innocent.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
He was just delivering yeah message.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
This guy has nothing to do with this. Pick him
up and take him home.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
He's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
The devastating twist reveals Doe's plan to make Mills the
final piece of his masterpiece. Somerset attempts attempt to stop Mills, fails,
highlighting the futality of their efforts. So we get to
the point of the catchphrase that everybody says all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Yeah, what's in the box?

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Somerset already knows what's in the box? Yeah, That's why
he was trying to keep Mills away from the box.
And he said, put the gun down, don't do it,
it's not worth it. Put the gun down. But Mills
kept asking what's in the box, what's in the box?

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
What's in the box? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
And we find out that Tracy is pregnant his wife,
and what is in the box?

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
It's Tracy's head.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
It's Tracy's head, which brings the final two to Tracy
as being envy. Inside the boxes Tracy's severed head, Doe
reveals that he killed her out of envy for Mills'
normal life. He goads Mills admitting to Tracy's Tracy was pregnant,

(01:06:10):
to provoke wrath. John Doe then killed by Mills, shot
to the head, and many other parts of the body.
Makes Mills the final victim of the Seven Deadly Sins
as wrath. Yep, I fucking love it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
And yes, you find out she was pregnant and he
goes oh, he goes, oh you didn't know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
Yeah, you didn't know. Oh yeah, because she was going
to tell him that night. She was trying to work
up the courage of to tell him, hey, I'm or
you know, like I'm regnant.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Like we need to leave wanting people to listen. You
can't just tap them on the shoulder anymore. You have
to hit them with a sledgehammer. Yeah oo yep.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
That final, like the way that the Seven Deadly Sins
at that point wrapped up fucking brilliant to make Mills
the last standing. And you don't know what happens to
Mills again, probably a lot of therapy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
John Doe's final monologue in seven I want to try
to find what he says, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Because it's a really great monologue.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Do you find it?

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
I think that final scene, yeah, pretty much proves that
everyone has.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
David is wrath Mills.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Yeah, that's what I just said. That's what I just said.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Become because because.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
John Doe's final was envy. He was envious of Mills
to have a wife, to have children, to have what
he had. He's been going after Mills, setting them, setting
him up for this. This final scene.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Yeah, it was. And then his last words were I'm done.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
And then you get Somerset trying to like, do don't
shoot him if you kill him?

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
I just said, Somerset was telling him stay away, stay
away if.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
You kill him. He wins.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
Yeah what he said, and his face was like, oh
you don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Oh my god, what a piece of shit. John Doe
is yep, God damn yep.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
So the aftermath, Somerset and the Captain stand by as Mills,
broken is taken away in a police car. Somerset is
now fully disillusioned. He narrorates a quote from Hemingway, the
world is a fine place and worth fighting for. He adds,
I agree with the second part, suggesting a glimmer of

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resolve despite the tragedy. The film ends on a somber note,
with no clear victory. Summerset's decision to keep fighting reflects
a faint hope amidst despair. The film explores morality, justice, despair,
and humanity cape capacity for evil. The Seven Deadly Sins.

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Structure critiques societal decay, with the city itself as a bleak,
oppressed character. I like that the tone is dark and
gritty and relentless, with Fisher's visual style rainsoaked city dim
lighting amplifying the psychological horror Somerset's character arc.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
These are character arcs.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Somerset moves from a detachment to a renewed sense of
purpose through temper, though tempered by tragedy. Mills begins idealistic
but is destroyed by his emotional impulsiveness. And John Doe
a nail, a nihilist figure who believes his murders are
moral are a moral statement, manipulating everyone to complete his vision.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
I got it right here, all right. I visited the
home that I visited your home this morning after you'd left.
I tried to play a husband. I tried to taste
the life of a simple man. It didn't work out,
so I took a souvenir her pretty head, Fuck Jesus,

(01:11:08):
And that was Gwyneth Paltrow's head in the box. Wow, goddamn, yeah,
goddamn fuck.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
This movie's so great.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
It's good.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
I like the way that they just cut it. Yeah,
like you put together your ending. Yeah, like this was
the ending of John Doe. But what is everybody else?

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
Even Lee ERMI looking at Somerset, looked at him and said,
he's a broken man. Yeah, he said, he's a broken man.
He's going to take a while to repair.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
So I want to shout out, jacked up review. Uh.
He said that we need to watch the spiritual sequel
called Solas. It came out in twenty fifteen.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
I'm down. I am so down for that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
It's called Yeah, it came out. It's ten years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Yeah, apparently some sort of a form of sequel to seven.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
Yeah, so I want to it's called Soul. If we
can find it, I want to check it out.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Yeah, Okay, I'm down.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Be cool. If Brad Pitt was like David Detective David
Mills and that, well, like what he's not thrue, I
don't know. We don't know anything about that. So it's
a spiritual sequel.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
I don't know what that means. I don't either, but
I'm intrigued. Yes, So shout out to uh jacked up
for for that one.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
Yeah, So, ladies and gentlemen, that was our take as
we walked almost scene by scene, but not really all
the scenes.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Do you remember the first time you saw this movie?

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
Yeah, again another forty one Fox Evenings.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
I was like, so you got like the edited version
of it, Yeah, for TV version.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Yeah, But when I actually watched the full length version,
I'm it was a blockbuster rental. I think I was
like seventeen or.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Eighteen, Okay, so yeah, I know. The first time I
saw it was with you a couple of years ago,
and I mean I'd known about this movie. I just
never got a chance to check it out.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
I didn't give you off of it. It was it
seemed like it was good. It was.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
It was kind of forgotten to me. And then I
guess I think you had brought it up and said,
have you seen this? I'm like, no, I've never seen seven.
You go, we need to watch it. It's it's so
good because it was on Prime at that point. Yep,
So we watched it. I'm like, it was love at
first sight.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
It's such a good movie.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
As soon as after the first time I saw, like,
fuck that movie. How have I not watched this yet?
God damn, I love it so much. This is a
movie I'm always down to watch.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
Always, especially on like a rainy, cold day.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Yeah, you get there else to do? Cold fall, rainy day?

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
Yeah, Yeah, that's a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
I like that. It's too wet, blanket, the weather outside's
too shitty. Yeah yeah, So let's just watch a movie
to kill some time. Seven is that movie?

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
It's so good?

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
What would you what would you rate it? Out of ten?

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
I would give it a seven to.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Two really yeah, shit, eight nine for me, eight point
nine for me, full stop, great film. I love it.
I love movies like this, Yes, I do too. These
are some of my favorites.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
It's a really good Who'd Done It? But they didn't
give you enough to who done it? Because they're not
in the like, yeah, they're not in the group.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
And it's like it's it's not a horror movie, but
it has the horror essence of a horror movie. Yes,
but it's a solid, fucking like crime drama.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
It is a really good crime drama.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
I love a good crime drama. Love. I need to
find more movies like that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
So if you guys have suggestions.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Yeah, hit us up man, and thank you guys for
listening to this. Guess what what? Guess what we're doing next? Next?

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That suck. We are also going to make sure that
you guys know that mccaini Manor is not.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
A haunted house or a haunted attraction.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
It's not anything anymore spoiler.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
Oh but no, we will give you guys everything that
we know with us being in the industry for at
least I mean a long time, a very long time
that we've heard everything.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
But we're excited to do to talk about mcamie Manner.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Talk shit and run that whole name through the dirt.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
Just run it through the ship after But no, tap
Room of Terror is gonna be fun this year. Yeah,
we're switching it up. Yes, I'm excited. Hope you guys
tune in tabroom of two.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Tap Room of Terror this year is uh, we're gonna
open with mckamie Manors. We are.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
Then we're gonna dive into zombies after that. One of
my all time favorite found footage film, probably yours.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Two. We're doing the Blair Witch Project.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
So excited for this one.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
And then we're capping it off with horror film Hot Takes.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
Oh, that one's gonna be a very long one. No,
it's gonna be fun. Tap Room of Terror this year
is gonna be awesome. Also, don't forget that we are
going to be at the Kentucky Folklore Festival on October
twenty fifth.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Check us out.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
We take the stage at two o'clock to ten yep,
something around those lines. We will also have a booth.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
We're doing spooky themed two Truths three Lies.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
Or three truth two Lies. I don't know whatever we decided.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Something like that. But no, some of that bullshit.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
They actually like us compared to the last location we went.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
No shout out, yep, none boo, although we did meet
some pretty cool people a yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
But no Kentucky Folcalor Festival. If you guys are within
the area driving radius that you want to come and
hang out. We're gonna get drunk and be fun. And
we love you, guys, we really do so much. Thank
you for listening. Check out grayce taproom dot com for everything.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Well, some stuff. Most of it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
I keep talking about every week that I have to place.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
We were going to do that. Last weekend we didn't
even do anything.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
No, and I said, I don't feel like it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
We're retired.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
Let me take a day off. Yeah, I get one
day a week.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
We had a bit of a road trip last week.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
Oh Jesus, yeah, two hours there, two hours back. I
was tired. Yeah, I didn't want to do shit.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
I want to shout out a uh okay, a uh
one of the that booth that we met, the booth
at raptor Con.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
Oh yeah, many many horror, many horror.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
God damn it, give me a second. Oh God.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
So for those of you listening while he's looking this up,
she makes horror movie scenes out of miniatures like she
literally made like Jaws boat She learned how to uh
form wood from actual like boat makers. She has really
cool sets, really cool scenes. If you have room in

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your house to get the cool horror scenes, they are
so cool. I wish I had enough room here in
our house, but it's so mini.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Shop of Horrors, shout out many Shop of.

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
Horrors, Many of horrors.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
So we'll put their website or.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
Instagrammer I'll post links links will be everywhere, but super
cool stuff. I loved everything. I think we spent the
most time at that booth.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
I wanted to buy everything. I wanted to buy the booth.
Everything you have here, I want it money, I want it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
Like her Indiana Jones scale, like.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
Her yea yeah, oh the photo yeah, because it looked
like you were there, really did. I am gonna. I
am gonna probably buy some ship, buy something from her.
I don't care.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
We can buy something and put it somewhere in the hut.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
It's it's like so if you don't if you don't
know what we're talking about, it's like you know so
and Christmas time, you see like the miniatures where it's
like a village picture that, but it's it's it's horror based.
She has the street House. Yes, that's signed by Heather Lenningcamp.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
And she's gonna have Robert England sign it at Scarefest
in October. Yeah, she's keeping that for herself. She's not
selling that, but no, she already said she won't.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
I know it's a display only Jaws boat.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
Uh. She has a really it's a cute.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
It's the she has the Holy Grail. It's the Holy Grail. What,
Indiana Jones, it's not the Holy Grail.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
No, no, it's not the cup. It's the golden idol
that he switches out with the.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Goal, which Indiana Jones was that, I hate myself for
not knowing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
The first one. Okay, I don't know. I don't remember that.
It was the one where he switched it out with
a bag of gold and then a big old rock
comes down and starts tumbling down.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Yeah, that one one of the Indiana's chones.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
Oh no, I hit a button somewhere. That's okay, we're
still cool. We're cool right there. But anyway, she's awesome.
Check her out, check the bio.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
What's up Grace.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
Tapper dot com. Don't forget about that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
I have to pee and we'll see you later. We
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