Every Park at Disney World RANKED in 2025!

🎢 Which Disney World park comes out on top in 2025?Join us live as we rank all four Walt Disney World theme parks — Magic Kingdom, EPCOT, Hollywood Studios, and Animal Kingdom — and reveal which park truly delivers the best experience in 2025!We’ll be discussing:🏰 The park with the best attractions lineup🌐 The latest updates and expansions🎠 Immersive lands, food offerings & crowd levels👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 What makes each park unique for families and thrill-seekers💬 And YOUR opinions too.Whether you’re planning your next trip or just love debating Disney parks, this is the show you don’t want to miss.

Episode Transcript

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Welcome everyone. Tonight we're diving into the
ultimate Disney debate to which Walt Disney World park as the
best lineup in 2025 and classic dark rides to epic thrills are
putting all four parks head to head.
So get ready to rank your favourites with us.
Let us know in the chat which park wins it for you.
Welcome to the great British Mickey Waffle live.

(00:49):
Hello everybody. This is this is a strange thing.
I and I was obviously expecting a lot more people are on the
screen tonight and then maybe everyone's down the beach
enjoying the sunshine. I know it's out like a Florida
day outside. Yeah.
And the only thing is, well, though Ben is I'm at that time
of year here that it's it, it feels like mid afternoon.

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And you know, for all them, all them shows that we did all the
way through the winter and we get to 8:30 on a Wednesday and
it's cold and the heating's on and it's pitch black outside.
So the blind shot and actually tonight I'd like to have to just
change the blind to just try andtake some of the glare out of
the window and things like that.And it's just like, it's that

(01:35):
lovely time of year. Yeah.
Yeah. I think last night it was nearly
10:30 by the time it actually got dark and.
I like this sort of time of yearwhen I do, it's the longest day
is just around the corner and you just sort of you wake up
early in the morning, it's bright and it's like 78910 in
the evening and it's like, oh, this is great.

(01:56):
Yeah, if only it could be like it's only through that would
that's my only issue. I think it was, I was, I was
actually typing a partnership report because I'm nearly
getting to the end of it. You know, it's just like.
It's just just in time for your next one.
Exactly, Yeah, in true to traditional way, you know and it
was I was, I was recalling even late in the holiday.

(02:19):
Now normally you know when you get to to Florida and you can
get up early because no matter what you get up early because of
the the time difference and stuff like that, I can deal with
that. But normally by the time you get
later on into the holiday, you can you get adjusted to it and
you unlike it or not, you kind of adjust back to, you know,

(02:40):
starting a little bit later, etcetera.
Last year it got to I think I'm on day 19.
I was still talking about the excitement of having to get up
and I was actually waking up before 7:00 AM to get a
guardians boarding group. If you ask me to get up before

(03:01):
7:00 AM at home, I have about seven alarm set and I'll be as
grumpy as anything. You hit snooze on every single.
Night. Yeah, exactly.
And yeah. Like, and looking back on it, it
was a case that there was light in bed and I didn't want to wake
everyone else up because they were all.
So, yeah, we'd had a late night night before and I was, I was

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there and I'm just like, come on, wake up, wake up, wake up.
Because actually I want to get into, I want to get into the
parks and I want to just go and have fun.
And it's what sets apart a holiday when you go to Orlando
against probably anything else in life.
Certainly it sets it against going to work.
I must admit that. Definitely.

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That's a, well, probably our biggest issue.
I love the beginning of a trip that it's like you wake up 4567
AM yeah and you somehow push as much as you can far through the
day and when to the end of the trip.
It's like I'll do fireworks every night because it's like I
can stay up till that because you can trust it.
Then you come back and then you we'll come back to work and jet

(04:09):
lag. It's just as that reminder
you've been off been time zone for.
A it should throw you down. It is such an absolute feeling.
And, and and and. No, you, yeah, I've not got a
countdown. I've not actually looked at the
countdown, you know. It's not counting.
You're not counting it down. I'm not, I'm not counting.
And that's a, again, that's something we've always done

(04:30):
previously. And I think purely because the
kids aren't coming, we're not trying to rub it in their faces
too much. Normally it's all around the
house and it's like, oh, only somany days till Disney and it's
just like, OK, but we'll play a bit quiet.
But going on holiday, you just. Yeah, we just, we just keep you
out there, keep you out the. Loop, It doesn't help with doing

(04:51):
the show on a Wednesday that we fly out on a Wednesday.
Oh wow, every show we do it's 1 show closer toss going away.
One step closer at home. There you go.
That's it. That's.
Yeah, that should be. Yeah.
There's a song about that. Might.
I might share it. I'll share it with you.
It's a good song. We should head straight to the

(05:12):
news. There's quite a few things to
discuss I think tonight. Before we do, Ben, can I just
welcome in B, who's in the chat and just said first live stream?
And actually this is so nice. And I really like the fact that
people who join us in the chat for the very first time.
There are a few other people that who are there every single
week. But I also know there's lots of

(05:35):
people finding us for the first time.
I keep saying this, it seems really weird after six years
that people are actually findingand the podcast, certainly the
junior podcast, which came out as a weekend.
I listened in earlier today and it just made me think like and I
need to know more about Flamingocrossings and it was there.

(05:59):
Oh, it's lovely. And but it's like, I think I
said it last week, there's such a warmth in how they're talking
about the college program. And I felt it.
I actually would have gone back and listened again.
I actually feel there's there's like a growing pride within
both. Josh Morgan, Nya not just
achieving what they did, but actually coming through the

(06:21):
other side and actually being able to talk about it in the way
that they do. And yeah, I'll say it quietly,
but if you go back to our secondshow that we ever did, it was
nowhere near as professional as what they actually might just
have put together. And only this.
They've taken everything we've done for the past six years and
we can do it better. No.

(06:43):
And it's, it's so nice because between, oh, I don't, can you
hear that? That helicopter just right
overhead, There you go. That doesn't happen every
Wednesday, does it? But the rapport between the
three of them is just such a lovely thing and a real a real
sign that for those people who are out and they know there's

(07:04):
people that are following Josh and Morgan, Instagram and
Facebook, you know, the people that are out there this year,
you come home and you will have friends, new friends for life.
And I think that is that is that's what Disney does.
It brings people together so beautifully.
And it really, you know, there'ssomething that you can't

(07:25):
something quite magical about it.
Anyway, I just take us a little bit off off topic, but now let's
do the news and then we'll welcome in whoever else is in
the chat as well. So the first news topic I think

(07:46):
Claire shared yesterday or as inthe wolf's arms.
So this is the opening date for test track 22nd of July just.
In time to just in time to get rid of the queues for when I
arrive, Yes. And then just in time for me to
actually just go on single riderand just sort of go and enjoy.

(08:08):
Yeah, there'll be cast member previews, Dizzy vacation club
previews, pass holder previews as well.
So and that'll all be out all the way for general opening 22nd
July. Do we think that'll become a
virtual queue? Oh, you might have to get up at
7:00 AM, John. I might, I might be.
Oh, no, I never. I've never saw that Ben and IT.
No, I haven't. It just thought, well, you're

(08:31):
asking. There you go.
You have jinxed it now, haven't I?
Because the last few rides that opened when you think you have
Ratatouille Guardians, to be Honest by Adventure Tron,
they've all had a virtual key. Will this be the first one that
doesn't need them? I hope it doesn't because
actually I, I, I'd love going ontest track and I just love the
fact that I can just, I know howI just sort of so I can navigate

(08:54):
along queue and just sort of sneak in.
But but again, it's maybe it's maybe one of those where I hope
that in the redesign of it, it maybe made the single ride line
a little bit more interactive and a little bit more inclusive
in the queue because I think what it'd become is, you know,

(09:18):
certainly in the previous encarter isn't.
It so different so you'd you'd go to you either got the
opportunity to design your car yeah or and you skip that bit
entirely and you get a generic. And you, yeah, and you, you
basically, you didn't give us talk about the design of the
car. You just basically were trying
to get on the ride as quickly asyou possibly.
Could I wonder whether whether they've taken that whole bit out

(09:41):
and you don't have that bit of the queue anymore where there's
no designing? I don't.
Know. Be interesting to see what what
it's like. And I know we showed this
picture last week, but I'm so excited to see what they've
done. And it was only last year, last
summer that they began construction on it.
It was because I remember I think Morg was out there at the

(10:03):
time and he managed to ride it one more time.
Yeah, the same with Josh. Josh was there as well.
And he was, Yeah, actually it was only a few days ago and it
might be last weekend. It shot and.
And Josh was saying, you know, Ican't believe how lucky we were
to be actually out there and actually ride it.
And then when we turned up, it'sall shot and and and the actual

(10:25):
ambient sound of Epcot. It's so different without the
sound of test track in the background and you never think
about it. And I know the pre the previous
time it went down and no, we were out there be be about 2014
fifteen. We missed it then, but we missed
it last year. And actually, it really does hit

(10:48):
home when, you know, when they were started testing it and you
could, you know, people were sharing online the sound of the
cars going round. And just like, yes, that that's
exactly what we want to hear andthat's exactly what we we really
want and what we're looking forward to when we get back to
Epcot. And I'm, I'm looking forward to
it because we're going to be at Epcot.

(11:08):
We've planned in a day for the extended evening hours because
the biggest protest track in theprevious iteration was to not
only do it during the day, but also do it at night.
Yeah, isn't. You don't get you don't have to
put your sunglasses on. And yeah, another challenge for
you as well is to do it in the rain in the afternoon just.
Yeah, it is. It's like having a hailstone

(11:30):
coming straight out. It's quite a thing.
And then normally what happens within about 5 minutes after
that is to shut the ride becauseactually becomes it, it comes
from one of them moments like, you know, oh, there's Thunder in
the area, we need to shut the rack.
Yeah, so staying, staying in theEpcot area and storm storm along
Bay and and hurricane handlers has reopened following the five

(11:53):
month refurbishment. So I know I think Sam who's it
might be in the stream today. And also I know Claire is
staying at the beach club this summer.
So they'll be very happy that the pool is reopened for their
trip. Probably quite relieved because
I think I think once I think once you start, when you start
looking at the fact there's a hotel without a pool and you

(12:15):
think and that could that would be and that particularly at the
Yon Beach Club, you know, stone long.
It's a. It's a reason for booking a lot
of people booking it. Yeah, very young.
Beach clubs or or that pool, andI know there's going to be,
there's a lot of construction happening all over property and
especially the resorts talking to pools.
There's going. There's a new pool coming to

(12:37):
Fort Wilderness. Oh yeah, I've got that as well.
That's. So it's there's a lot of things
that Disney are doing and unfortunately for some people
there will be noise or I remember at grand through in a
couple of years ago, there was alot of construction and I know
it the lobby is still undergoingnow when it's additional bar
that's being. Installed, I think they're just

(12:58):
getting the they're just going to take a big massive hit on
this on the 1:00 somewhere whereeveryone goes up the road to a
universal. It's like, let's just get it.
Let's just get it all out the way, let's get it all set to one
side and we'll just accept the fact that we're going to get
criticized and we're just wrong with it.
It's it's, it's going to happen,isn't it?

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And it's stuff that's probably well overdue.
Yeah, I think so as. Well, and I know we're saying
the Polynesian this year, but and there's going to be
construction more we're there and because the Polynesians
finally undergoing it's sort of the relaying of the car park.
So at the front and there's going to be, there's going to be
a reasonable change from what itcurrently is.

(13:41):
We know about it, it probably won't impact us at all, but it's
just one of those things it's good to be aware of before you,
before you go. And the Contemporary Resort has
had its refurbishment extended by a year into summer 2026.
So that also includes Bay Lake Tower and the bridge across
between Bay Lake Tower and the Contemporary.

(14:04):
So it's interesting to know whatthe rest of that refurbishment
is going to be, because it wasn't that long ago they
changed the rooms into like the Incredibles theme.
Yeah. And that's, that's a bit that
intrigues me with this because that's the, you know, is it, is
it something that they're deliberately looking at?
And it could be, you know, I know.
And this, we've had an issue with different types of concrete

(14:27):
within public buildings. I don't know if that goes across
into America, but. This is something that they've
discovered in in the building process that.
Maybe, I don't know, but it seems to be strange to actually
extend it by a whole year. And that seems, and it might
well be a complete refresh and are hope, hopefully a big sort of

(14:50):
renewal of the contemporary because like it or not, this
might be the first controversialthing I'll come out with
tonight. It's in fact, it seems very
stuck in probably the early 80s sort of feel of the place.
And it needs a kick up the backside in which to to
reinvigorate itself, to compete in the same ways as a top class

(15:15):
resort hotel. And I think that I wonder, yeah,
I might be wrong, I might be wrong, but I think that that for
me is the one thing that's missing.
Yeah. And on positive news, Disney
Cruise Line have reduced the required deposit and
cancellation fees effective today.
Yeah. So it's gone down from a 20%
deposit to a 10% deposit and that that's good.

(15:38):
It's more competition. So it's one of those in when
you're booking especially like aDisney Cruise, it's not not
particularly cheap and you have to be a bit flexible, especially
if you want to change. So knowing that you're not
paying as much of a deposit, if your plans do change, you're not
going to lose as much as you would have thought.
I wonder as well if that's in line with, you know, they've

(16:01):
brought themselves back in line with the rest of the cruise
market. And you know, I'm not, I'm not
well, I'm not well up on the, the cruise line or any cruise
line, but I'm not sure what the deposits are across the board.
But if you're charging a bigger deposit and you you've got a
change of plan and you're going to lose such a hefty amount, I
wonder whether that puts people off on booking the Disney Cruise

(16:21):
as opposed to going with doing the companies that are out there
as well. And if you've already booked it,
it doesn't change. It's only new bookings that it
applies to. OK.
But which? Which makes sense?
Which is fair. Yeah, I like them.
No, I'm not good with that. But let's do the final, final
bit of news then, because actually we have got I like this

(16:42):
because this needs to be said Sam Eagle kind of voice, isn't
it? It's like Disney Celebrate
America 4th of July fireworks. This is like a three hour grand
finale. Yeah, You know, I actually when
I read this, it was basically just Sam Eagle that just sort of
came to mind in the fact that let's celebrate all things

(17:03):
America and all things Disney. And I won't I'm I'm, I'm, I'm I
only have a half a tongue, but Ibite that the power that I can
actually feel because there's soyeah, there's so much
politically I could say. And and I won't, I won't I won't
go down that little rabbit hole.You can thank me later.

(17:26):
I like that they celebrate it over 2 days, so you do have the
3rd and the 4th of July to see the fireworks.
It's a little bit like when theydo the perimeter fireworks
around New Year. So do it on New Year's Eve, Eve
and New Year's Eve. Yeah, and it's and it's just as
good both nights. So if you if you're a little bit
thinking that you've got, if you're going to be there on the

(17:46):
3rd of July, don't plan on leaving early, make sure you go
and see it because you'll save yourself a lot of crowd and a
lot hassle on the 4th of July. And yeah, I think.
A lot of people tend to do MagicKingdom say the 3rd of July and
then go forth over to Epcot. Or you could do vice versa.
It's they haven't announced anything specific for but I know

(18:11):
they usually do something slightly different to their
usual fireworks share whether it's additional few fireworks on
the end. I know they used to do
illuminations. Yeah, it'd be, I think it'd be
again, it's one of them things that they're being forced into
actually putting these things out there because they people,
people need to know what's available.

(18:32):
And you know, you can't just spring upon people last minute
anymore because rather than rather than making plans for a
Disney trip, lots of people havegot looking elsewhere.
And I think that's, that's a good thing for anyone in the UK.
If you go in this summer, you'rein for a treat because you know
theme parks are competing for your competing for your dollar,

(18:55):
but also competing for your youractual attendance and their
parks is only a good thing for for us.
Yeah. And do you think it's now time
we step into our main topic of today's show?
I think we're better then because that's the yeah.
We're 20 minutes in and. We're going to run out of time
and actually I think this could be quite contentious.
So if you're in the chat, join in with this thing and Benzie

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going to explain how we're goingto do this.
But join in, be part of the showbecause actually that's what we
love most of all on Wednesday. It's not just about us.
Yapping on, waffling, waffling on.
Waffling on. It's about you guys actually
being part of it and and again, like I say, it's always good
when you see so many fun on yourfaces that are in the chat.

(19:38):
And I'll just what I'll row through.
We've got Heather was in first as well.
We've got Heather Karen, we've got Wendy the B and actually we
know that there's people ninja watching because actually we
know the numbers that there. We know the people haven't been
in the chat. So if you are ninja watching and
you're not taking part, this is your chance.
Be part of the show and actuallytell us what your favorite parts

(20:02):
of each of the parks are. So where are we going to start
then? And what is it that we're
actually looking at? I think what we're going to do,
we're going to go through an overview, like quick overview of
each park, so we think the park's aimed at and then we can
then dive deep, deep into like our favorite attractions and
then we can look at sort of why we choose one park over another.

(20:23):
Is there for like a two week trip?
There are some days that we'll actually need to spend 3 or 4
days to do that park, but there are some parks where have always
been known as half day parks or you can do it in one day.
So it'd be interesting to see what we think and also what the
chat thinks how much time you should spend in each park.
And if we do, if we're doing a deep dive, let's not get Simon

(20:47):
because I think he mentioned it in the start of the month show
and we got away with deep diving.
So it might not be best to mention that.
And if you missed it, go back and listen to the start of the
month show. I'm talking about Deep Dive
because it was hilarious. And then once we've done all of
this, we'll get to the end and we can actually rank and work
out which one is our favorite. Part fitness.

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I don't think I can do that. It might be different, John.
It's a bit like our carousel of questions.
Yeah, it's like when it needs togo with your heart.
And you'll probably want to change your answer tomorrow.
But I honestly think that it's it's going to be a, it's a
difficult 1. And I, like you like a
challenge. Is it possible?
And that's why, that's why it's just me and you.
We're going to be the ones who are contentiously and everyone

(21:30):
else has bailed on us tonight. The only on the fact that they
couldn't make a decision as to exactly how they would actually
vote on this. Yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm going to,
I'm going to lose a lot of friends, I think.
I think we should start off at the park.
That is probably a lot of people's reasons to go into
Disney World and a lot of is themost memorable things like

(21:51):
Disney World, you think Castle, you think Magic Kingdom.
So with this, there's a lot of, there's quite a few rides at
this park. I remember in the days where we
used Fastpass and you, you got 3to choose a day.
It was always the most difficultone to choose of what ones to
choose. And when you use those three,
you could then go, oh, actually we'll then go and choose another

(22:15):
one afterwards. So John, what, what's your
thought of Magic Kingdom? Because there are so many rides
that I think drag a lot of people there.
There's so many family attractions, so you've got.
I I think, I think it changes Ben and I think when you first
go, Magic Kingdom is the most instant and the you get a

(22:38):
massive sense of magic and you get a massive sense of
gratification as to we're here and this is this place truly is
irrespective of what elsewhere else is going on in your family.
It is the most magical place. The minute you actually, even if
you doesn't matter how you arrive, but the minute you walk

(23:00):
into the park and it opens up infront of you, you're even
watching other people's reaction.
If the if it's the first time, it takes your breath away.
If it's your 101st time, you still walk in and you still have
that goosebump moment that it just never leaves you.
And that's a bit that I strugglewith probably any other theme

(23:24):
park in the world that can make you feel the way that it does as
as you just sort of you come under the railway and it's and
it's in front of you. But as you walk further up Main
Street, it just, it just engages.
And I think, I think for me, I think that feeling irrespective

(23:47):
of the rides, again, I'm not even thinking about that the
lands that are surrounding the hub.
I'm thinking about walking how you feel if you've been.
You get when you, yeah, you know, you're home.
Yeah, but if you've been planning a whole day maybe for
five years and going for the first ever time to Walt Disney

(24:08):
World feeling I should walk in, I don't think I don't think you
get out, but you don't get out both when you you turn up in
that, you know a nice little five star all inclusive in the
middle of Corfu or anything likethat.
I. Remember one of the first times
we walked into the into Magic Kingdom, it was as we walk in,
it's in the morning, you had thewelcome show train station and

(24:30):
it felt like all the planning and everything you put together
just felt like, OK, now this is the beginning of my trip.
It took us a few years to realize that actually Magic
Kingdom should be one of the parts we do on our first day.
Yeah, we, we always do it first day.
It's something really for us that as you walk in it, it

(24:53):
really reminds you of why you'vemade so many sacrifices either
during the year or certainly forus last year, for the first, for
five years we haven't been. And it really, I don't know,
it's one of the things you have to experience it to actually
understand it, to actually understand the fact that when
you come out of there for the very last time on a trip, and I

(25:17):
always describe it in the same way.
And it is like in your actually in your throat.
You've got a lump the size of a golf ball.
And you just don't want that moment where you exit through
the the tunnel towards whatever transport, transportation you go
into. You don't want to lose sight of

(25:39):
your whole holiday. And it really for years and
years, it's always reduced me toan absolute wreck.
And, and you try to be really strong in front.
Certainly when the kids were younger and you know that they
were wobbly and they knew fine. Well, it's the last, it could be
the last chance we'd get to go and things.

(26:01):
And as you're walking out and I'll be strong for the kids,
I'll be strong for the kids. You're blubbering masks.
Yeah, yeah. And, and it's horrible.
And, and actually, even though even last year, you know, the
kids are now older, you know, and, and it had a completely
different feel because actually we all felt the same.
And, and as we, as we exited it,it was a case that nobody said

(26:25):
anything, nobody said a word. And, and what we've done in the
past, we've and we always do thesame.
We get, get to the exit and we always race up the, the steps of
the railway station. Just have one last photo looking
back up Main Street. And that's just the way it's
always been. But I just feel it's just like
it remains in your heart. And when you're not there and

(26:48):
you're not able to go, that is the scene.
And that particular area and thesounds that are in that area are
the ones that stay with you and they stay with you and they give
you a little bit of inner strength.
So is what we'll probably call the part where you get the most
emotion and most feels, the mostsort of memories.

(27:08):
Every every time you think back to Walt Disney World, you just
instantly think of Magic Kingdom.
And I remember my first day after COVID going back in and
just seeing this place. We hadn't seen what which felt
for such a long. Time I remember the live show
that we did and you guys what you guys walking in there and

(27:30):
and, and actually, you know, I think from all all the hours of,
of stuff that we've ever put out, that was the one that you
know, when you just sort of you walked in it and it was flag
drop as well. And we were just like, this was
just perfect. This is just the moment that
everybody needed to watch and itwas and again, you even said at

(27:54):
the time, it's just pure rock. It wasn't it wasn't deliberate
attempt, but that's what has a thought about it.
But as a parent, that's what that's where that whole thing of
just taking your time and letting the magic come to you
really comes to complete fruition.
Because what you, what you tend to notice more is if you are

(28:14):
taking your time, you see other people's reactions and you see
other people's just just emotion.
And I think that to me is a bit that can't be replicated.
I don't think quite a sense in any other theme park whatsoever.
And The thing is what changed Magic Kingdom for me, when we

(28:36):
did Keys to the Kingdom tour, itmade me think like I knew Magic
Kingdom completely, but I knew everything.
And then you do Keys to the Kingdom and you find out so much
more about how the park was built.
The, I'm not going to spoil it, but if you haven't had a chance
to Keys to the Kingdom and you're a Disney fan, do it for

(28:57):
your next trip. I think it's one of the best
value tours that Disney offer. It is better.
And again, this is great becauseyou're just talking.
Everything links back to what wedid last year.
Again, because the kids previously been too young, we'd
never done it as a complete family.

(29:17):
And to be able to do it as a family and to experience that
just that inner part of it was was very, very special because
I'd done it years ago and actually when the kids were too
young. And I was very fortunate that my
wife was was very kind to take the kids and just go and explore

(29:38):
the part for the four hours thatI was basically I was just, I
was just embraced within peace the Kingdom tour.
And, and what was nice last yearwas the fact that, yeah, it was
a little bit different in places, but it was different and
it was better. And that would and that for me
really made it. And, and I think for them, it

(29:59):
just, it kind of summed up some of the things I've I've tried to
share for so many years. And actually just, and just
really just the, the detail that's there.
If only you look that little bitmore at it.
And you know, especially, especially some of the windows
on Main Street. I've got to say that that me is

(30:22):
just a special part of. It we should quickly jump on the
mower out and talk I've got because as you know, John, from
when we first started the show, Epcot was not my favorite, was
not one of my favorite parks. And it it has definitely changed
grown on me throughout over the years.
And it's been a lot of construction since we started
the show as well. And a lot of things have changed

(30:44):
to Epcot and I my original thought was when a few years ago
was that Epcot was like it was acouple of good attractions.
I love Test track, enjoyed soaring, and now you've got
Guardians of the Galaxy. It definitely went higher in my
estimate estimations. And then when you add things

(31:05):
like traditional ones like Spaceship Earth and I can't go
to without going on Spaceship Earth, it doesn't feel right.
There's just something about it and me.
Epcot feels like it's that grownup park.
Yeah. I think it's matured over the
years. I I'm going to, I'm going to

(31:27):
reverse that on you. Yeah.
Is it Epcot that's matured or isit you?
See. Yeah, it's it's.
I want to change from yeah. And that's a bit that, yeah,
when we're planning on doing this show, that was a bit in my
own mind. I, I, I've got, I've got a
massive love for Epcot, but it'sthe type of place that if you're

(31:51):
a once and done person. Yeah.
You won't get it. You don't just don't understand
it. It takes a little bit of time a
it takes a little bit of effort,if I'm being really honest with
you, because actually if you just walk about and, and
certainly the first time we wentthere was like body wars are
still open. And it was, there was loads of

(32:11):
stuff, but it was getting to be a bit, some of it was getting a
bit tired. It was like it was just an
exhibition of various different things.
Yeah, interventions. And it's like what this was.
We walked in through various places that then become
character meeting. Well, by this time you would go
through the first time it reallywas a death's dump.
Yeah, I must admit. And it was in desperate need of

(32:34):
some TLC. But I'm going back probably,
probably in 10 years. Probably more.
Yeah, more, more than 10 years, but I'll gloss over that.
But even at that time, it was, it wasn't like a little bit
frayed around the edges. It was a need of it was a need
of some love. And it wasn't forthcoming for a

(32:54):
long, long time. And, and I think that that for
me is where you really have to make the effort.
And I actually understand that, yet it's beyond educational.
And then go into the cultural part of it when you go into
World Showcase. And, and that for me, World
Showcase was a bit that really stood out for me.
And the original, the original parade that was there.

(33:16):
I still every time you mention the parade, I've gotta go.
Yeah, it wouldn't made any sense.
It's. No, it was brilliant.
No, it was a festival of fantasyparade.
No, it wasn't. It was.
Festival of Nations. Yeah, Tapestry.
Of nations. It was just absolutely
incredible to see and just to toabsolutely be able to be there

(33:40):
whilst this parade goes in frontof you.
And going back now you will. You can't even begin to imagine
that they have parade floats in the space with a crowd, you
know, with crowds on the, the sort of the pavilion side and
then the parade floats. You know, it must have been, it
must have been a logistical nightmare every single day as

(34:01):
they're putting tape down and and telling kids, you know, keep
you. Keep your feet.
Stand here. Don't, don't put in front there
because there's got to be a parade float that'll run over
your foot. Yeah, Once you get it.
And I think again, if you even as an adult and you go for the
first first few times, you probably won't get it.

(34:21):
Yeah. Once you take a little bit more
time, but you start exploring and you actually begin to look
at a little bit the history and how certain parts of it have
evolved. If you look at where Guardian
Guardians now stands on the plotwhere Ellen's nightmare about an
icon ride used to be, it was just like it's a massive plus

(34:43):
area you go into each of the even even in its current state,
your journey into imagination isjust worthy of going into
because it offers something a little bit different and a
little bit more educational, a little bit more interactive and
and really, again, it becomes part and parcel of.

(35:06):
You think now, Teshvak, when opens, if Disney needs to do
anything in that court, it will be segment?
It's been even doing for years, Ben.
And I think, you know, I think we go back to the very start,
the very first D 23 that we, youknow, we listen to and I think
we did probably I think we did like a mini podcast on it and

(35:27):
what 2000, September 2019 and we've talked at that point, we
announced that we're going to redo spaceship Earth.
They were going to change the narrator and actually because of
what came after that all of that's been pushed way, way, way
to the back. Yeah.
We have the Mary Poppins ride within the UK pavilion that gets

(35:50):
cancelled. I, I, I feel that there's
there's still potential within Epcot and, and again go back
even going back to the start of the month podcasts up until our
anniversary show where we can goin into each of the pavilions.
It, it what it's done is, is actually, it's actually given me

(36:11):
a little bit of a little sense of I want to go back and, and go
and just explore the detail a little bit more in each
pavilion. I think I'm not that.
Yeah, I probably am as guilty asanybody.
You know, when you're on hold there, you've got your phone,
you're looking at wait times fora different ride, and yet you're

(36:32):
missing things that are clear and obvious right in front of
your eyes that add to that add to the detail and, and I think.
That's just Epcot is one of those ones where Magic Kingdom
the detail is a little bit more obvious, but you can still dig
to find more detail. With Epcot, it takes a little
bit of work to actually understand it's.

(36:53):
It's not as easily there As for everyone to quickly grasp.
Yeah. And just a quick, quick mention
as well. I think Karen in the the chat
I've mentioned about the living seas and, and also which then
became Nemo, but also Horizons as well.
And I think, you know, it wouldn't be right to actually

(37:14):
not mention Horizons because I think if you're, if you're a fan
of Epcot, Horizons becomes like the one thing that you, you
really sort of hanker after the bringing back and, and maybe,
you know, doing something more with it.
It was, it was very special. There's some very, very good

(37:35):
video on on YouTube that you canafter the show, go and dig into
it and just turn back the clock a little bit and and enjoy.
So we're going to take a walk outside and out of Epcot and
take the walk show away to Hollywood Studios because it
originally was MGM Studios. It still isn't.
It still is. Not for me.

(37:57):
You know, it's always College Studios.
Our first trip was 2013. And for me, it was our first
ever Disney trip, Disney World trip.
Yeah. So it was the first park we went
on our first, first or second day of a holiday.
And it was something that there was so much there that at the
time that probably isn't that isn't there anymore.

(38:19):
But it will always give that memory of being one of my
favorite parks just because of the memories it holds.
So no matter probably on my list, I always put the studios
up higher than than everyone else.
But there's so many thrilling attractions there.
When you think of Galaxy's Edge,Tower of Terror, Rock and Roller

(38:39):
Coaster and it we're going to miss the buckets which are now
going to be going to rock and roller coaster.
That's going to be very interesting in how that park
over the years has always changed.
It's been very gone from 1/2 daypark with lots of construction.
It's been termed as quite a lot.I remember there was quite a few
years where there wasn't that much open.

(39:01):
There was ones you'd taken if you took out all the shows.
There wasn't many attractions left to do.
It it was more show based as well.
And I think that that originallyfor me was it was it was a slow
moving day. When you when you went this MGM,
you knew you were just going to it was it was going to be slow
and it was just going to be yeah, we'll do the backlog tour.

(39:23):
We'll do we'll do the different shows that are on go.
But it never really sort of it didn't light a spark.
And then when they put rock and roller in and they put Tower of
Terror in, that is like, OK, right now you're serious about
this being. Yeah, a part that's not just 1/2
day and done. The one for me was when they put

(39:47):
Toy Story Mania in, because whenthat actually happened, I think
everybody actually, you know, I think at the time it was the
first new ride that had gone in,in probably many parts for quite
a while it seemed. It just seemed to spark
everyone. And it was.
And it was always good fun be trying to be the first.

(40:08):
The first just want to get to the fast pass the old paper fast
passes to and get your fast passes for that ride because
that that in itself is it shouldhave been deemed as an Olympic
sport at the time. I absolutely loved the just
getting the fast crossing. You know, you didn't have have
that long to wait or you knew what time to do that later in

(40:30):
the day. And I have to we, we waited 90
minutes for in sort of the middle of June because it was so
hot outside. We needed air conditioning and
it was worth the wait. We were quite competitive.
And I absolutely love that ride and I'm so glad that it's
changed. They've added additional track.

(40:51):
Yeah. And, and that actually for me
was a real, that for me really changed exactly how that ride
was, was rather than it being difficult to get onto if he
didn't have a pass pass, it thendealt with the capacity issues.
And I think that was a real massive, massive stroke as well.

(41:11):
I, I think the other thing to, to remember as well is some of
these shows and some of these rides ate up massive amount of
people. And like great movie ride in
particular, you know, was just like you would have hundreds of
people within that ride and thenhundreds in the queue.

(41:31):
And yet it would take up part somuch a bigger part of the theme
park day that it didn't become noticeable.
And you know, part of me, I still miss the great movie
route. I'm openly admitting to that.
However, what I do like is the fact that everything's moved on
and and, and the actual transition of that park, even

(41:56):
from the parking area and how they realigned that to make it a
much, much better experience to drive into has has actually
added so much into it. And I'm just trying to check a
little bit. I only only basically because
Karen's Karen's mentioned as well.
It's all about Disney animation,but also the little nods to

(42:19):
Robin Williams. I was watching I was watching a
film the other night and you forget the genius that is Robin
Williams. If you go back into Epcot, you
got the journey into imagination.
It's still the thing. I will take a photo out each and
every year of the fact that Robin Williams is picture is on
the wall. Every little nod towards what

(42:41):
Robin Williams did not just not for Disney in a sense, but for
Touchstone Pictures, which was Disney owned, some of his
greatest work was, was within that sort of that 1980s period
of time. And the fact that he's still
remembered within, within so much and also in some so many as

(43:02):
the voice of so many different people.
I just think it's so beautiful. But yeah, still missed, still
miss. I miss his genius.
I miss his comedic qualities as well.
But then going back to going back to MGM Studios, but there
was so much there. And, and this is a bit you
forget in the in the depths of time, you know, you had the the

(43:26):
set from The Golden Girls, you had all the.
Costumes in America. Yeah, but the costume and area,
but then as well and Wendy's mentioned in the chat as well
the Osborne lights in the various incarnation.
The Osborne Lights is something that if if anyone, was to

(43:48):
require a a little reminder of just how magical a Disney
Christmas can be, that was it. You know there's only one to say
it once. Yeah, that's all.
It blew me. Away there's still songs that we
there's still songs that we haveon the the Christmas playlist

(44:11):
that come from come from that show.
And some of them are not particularly Christmassy.
Yeah. And it's just like, you know,
Trans-siberian orchestra and you're just like, you listen to
it. We we bought special Christmas
tree lights so we can replicate it at home with the music, so
you can take the music to the lights and it was just, just
because of it reminds us of the Osborne lights.

(44:33):
Yeah, I, I just yeah. And and and it's that bit where
you actually understood how theyhad to change it and and.
And I can see why because what has become of it?
And I don't really understand because I, I, I'm not sure on
one hand would I prefer them to kept streets of America and and

(44:58):
we wouldn't have had Oyster landing Galaxy's edge the way
we've got them now. Yeah, yeah.
It's always that that thought of, and I know of the past few
shows we've spoken about Magic Kingdom and is in our Kingdom
are going through lots of changes.
And it's always that thing of like, oh, it's going to change,
things going to be different. What's it going to be like on

(45:19):
your next trip? And that's the thing, I'm just
so glad that we have these memories of what has has gone
past and we get to just embrace and see what's new.
Yeah. And also, you know, every, every
time we start down there, so I'malways reminded that, you know,
some of the some of the parades they had at MGM, there was stars

(45:39):
in like Disney stars in. Their.
Yeah, and you'd like burn the Big Blue house in their own car
with with tutor on the bonnet. And the IT was, it was just
beautifully done and just a wonderful nod towards some of
the traditional Disney filmmaking.
And how Heather said that as well, you know, wishing that the
studios were still a working a working studio.

(46:01):
But I'm going away. The way people make films now
and people make TV now is so different than it was when that
park, when that park was, was, was actually, I actually felt it
was more than just a whole day park.
I thought it offered so much. But what they've done is I think

(46:22):
they've got the balance right. And I think what they've
actually managed to do is actually get the the thrill
seeking rides for old, old people like me.
But also they've managed to match that by putting Toy Story
Land in for younger people and actually making it up to date
and relevant to kids. And I think that was that was a

(46:45):
bit that I probably, if you tookyoung kids to the old MGM, I
think they would have been boredabsolutely silly.
The only thing they called it was Toy Story Mania.
Yeah, but it's one of those it'sreally difficult to think about.
What? It's less of a family part where
I think more now we're Toy StoryLand, especially with Mickey and

(47:08):
Minnie's runaway railway. Yeah, I don't think so, Ben.
I think it's about the balance is much fairer and I think the
balance is there to. And I agree with BI, do miss the
giant sorcerer Mickey hat. I do as well.
We can say because Claire's not here.
Yeah. But the thing, the thing that
gets me though, is for all the for all the hate it received,

(47:31):
Yeah, I think when we talked about park icons a few weeks
ago, it was the one thing that you actually associated with
purely with Disney animation andit, it was the right icon for
the park. And, and I, I still don't feel
it's been replaced properly withthe fact that they try to use
Tower of Terror, but they don't have a whole lot of love for

(47:52):
Tower of Terror in a way, because most of them they want
to, you know, relay into, you know, the guardians mismatch
that they've got in Disneyland. You know, if you're going to
have some as a park icon, give it all the love and give it, you
know, even the April tower that you had with the water tower
with Mickey ears on, that was a cracking icon.

(48:13):
But how cheap would that be to just put that into the into the
park and actually use that and just, you know, it's not
difficult. I don't know.
I don't get it. I think you should go to the
last Disney park actually and talk about Animal Kingdom.
Yeah, I'm just going to say hello to John Self, who's joined
us as well. So a big thank you and also
mentioned the fact that he actually grew up in Little Rock

(48:34):
where the Osborne lights actually originated from.
Oh wow. With the original Osborne, the
Osborne family. And I think it's also worth
noting as well, if you it's nothing to do with Ozzy
Osbourne, is that there's so many people that I met and it's
just like I never because the I is it Sharon Osborne became such

(48:54):
a big reality TV person. And I was there one time and
someone said someone was having the conversation, trying to
explain it to their kids that this guy, this guy used to be in
a band and his wife's on the TV.I turned around and said, look,
I'm really sorry, but I just, itisn't, it's not guy.
It wasn't his Christmas lights. It was another guy.

(49:15):
So I was just, I always, I always think of that as well.
And just before, before we do move on, yeah, let's have a
little bit of love for one of the best nighttime attractions
that is in any of the parks. And that is fantastic because
actually, you know, it doesn't. I still don't think it gets the
credit for just how brilliant a show it is and so how scary it

(49:41):
can actually be if you're a young kid.
It just it does take a little bit of getting used to and a
little. Bit and if you get the
opportunity to go about half an hour before and just sit there
and enjoy the pre show music because it is incredible.
And the Mexican wave, yes, Yeah.Everyone's holding drinks and
things and trying to do the Mexican wave at the same time.

(50:02):
Yeah, that Preschio music is actually available on iTunes and
I might try I'm trying to put itin the waffle his arms so you
can find it. But it's basically it's just all
really rocked, rocked up Disney songs.
And then you're, you're sitting there, you try not to spill your

(50:22):
your ice cream or your popcorn and then everyone's doing the
Mexican wave from one side to the quality way.
Brilliant atmosphere. It's brilliant.
It's just absolutely superb. So Animal Kingdom, there's
there's not as many attractions to Animal Kingdom as other
parks, but it does have a few standouts with Everest and a

(50:43):
flight of passage and it's a very different sort of thought
of a theme park. Yeah, so I love Animal Kingdom
and I think, I think, I think it's got better over time and I
liked it in the first instance, but I know when it first opened,
people were like, oh, it's only 1/2 day, you'll see it and

(51:06):
that's it. But actually, again, it's
another place that the longer you spend in it, the more you
become a little bit nosier or you become far more engaged and,
and start doing some of The Walking trails and things like,
and you begin to understand actually there's a whole lot
more to this part than actually anyone gives it credit credit

(51:26):
for. Karen, I totally agree with you.
It needs effort. And I think that again, goes
back what we said about Epcot, the instantaneous sort of, yeah,
this is what you see and this iswhat you get, isn't that you
have to seek it out. And I think purely in Animal
Kingdom's Road, it's more down the line of how Joe Roddy

(51:49):
actually designed this because he didn't.
Everything's deliberately kind of hidden and just you have to
seek it out. It isn't just in your face.
And and that was again, go back and check out our Joe, our Joe
Roke show that we. Did goes from like the queue
lines to the way the parts laid out.
There's so many different thingsthat actually you could be

(52:11):
staring at and actually completely miss.
Yeah, how many times I've lookedat the tree and gone, oh,
there's even more animal was there than I remember last time.
I don't remember seeing this part that was in this view.
There's so many different thingsand that goes for everything,
especially into Pandora as well.And I think that expansion did

(52:32):
an awful lot for Animal Kingdom.It's a shame that it closes
earlier than the other parks. I'd love it to stay open couple
of hours later, especially during the summer, so that it
does get dark and you get the bioluminescence because that is
an incredible feeling walking through.
It is, but just that whole land.Ben Yeah.

(52:55):
I'm sure there's people in the chat who actually remember
walking in Animal Kingdom and when you went left and it was
like where the old festival LionKing show pavilion was and then
you had like 4 little huts with character meet and greets.
Yeah, OK. At the time it was good.
We had to be some really good character meet and greets

(53:17):
because if he went in between, if he went during a Showtime to
that festival liking, there was no queue.
So the kids got some cracking interaction.
There's I think there's one whenI think our Joe, it'd be about
four or five and Baloo the bear was just tickling and he was he

(53:38):
ended up lying on the floor being tickled and it was just
like, it's one of the moments. So you're just like, you'll
never, ever forget. And he doesn't forget it.
And just like, yeah, but that was just a character trying to
make use of their time and actually have a bit of fun into
their day and into ours. And then when that all went,
you're thinking, you know, as anyone does.

(54:00):
I think you mentioned it. Yeah.
About what the changes coming down at Magic Kingdom.
You're always that little bit ofinterpretation of, well, it
won't be the same and things. But my word, Pandora.
Pandora basically has redefined what Animal Kingdom is all
about. Yeah.
And I think, Isabella, what we've said before about
Universal, that they had the wisdom World Harry Potter and

(54:22):
Pandora was their answer to it. And I couldn't mention of
Universal actually before we sayit's 15 years ago today, the
opening of Wisdom World, Harry Potter.
Wow. Yeah, good grief. 18th of June
it. Makes me feel that old.
That that's that's amazing to think.

(54:43):
I'm sure we went that somewhere as well.
I need dig out dig out my notes.You weren't.
You weren't in the queue then, John.
No, not I. Remember seeing.
Yeah, that was incredible. And yeah, and again, you have
this. And This is why we should be
very mindful of of the competition that exists between

(55:04):
Universal and Disney, because what does happen is each side
actually raises game. And you know, they're looking,
they're looking to be the dominant one within the area,
but they're also looking to actually bring in a lot of money
and a lot of custom. And we're the ones that should
be the ones who are advantage bythat at the end.

(55:29):
Of the day. It just means that we're going
to get more theme parks, more attractions, higher quality.
Everyone If Universal raising the bar, then Disney has the
opportunity to do the same. Yeah, and I think they'd be
remissive as to mention the factthat, you know, when our Kingdom
first opened, it didn't open with Everest in it.

(55:49):
And they recognized that it needed something as a, again, as
a thrill ride, as someone to draw people in.
And if you ever want a Hue line to go and look at detail,
Everest is one of the greatest ones.
And then when they opened like apassage, I know I said this

(56:09):
previously, but the queue liner flight passage is worth a 2 hour
wait just to make you actually look at the detail in it because
it's brilliant, it really is. So I think we've covered all all
the parks I think we should do which out of all the ones we've
spoken about, which one has the best through roads.

(56:31):
Oh. For me, I'm going to probably
say Hollywood Studios. I just instantly go to Tower of
Terror and Rock and Roller Coaster.
Yeah, I would tend to agree purely on the Tower of Terror 1
and actually the me Tower of Terror is my favorite ride in

(56:51):
the whole of Walt Disney World. Still, nothing can come close to
it. It's just it ticks every single
box and it's different and it's just so much.
It's so I just love that. So I would say for thrill rides
studios. Best for families, so focus on
variety, height requirements andrewrite ability.

(57:14):
I would it has to be Magic Kingdom and also.
There's lots of attractions thata lot of people will miss
because they don't require. There's no height requirement.
There's things like people move a Little Mermaid.
A. Lot of those that you can write
multiple times feel like you're getting a different just

(57:35):
different experience. But there's so many different
things. There's some different
attractions. Magic Kingdom from shows to.
I think as well when you've got younger kids that that
disappointment that you're maybenot quite tall enough to go on a
certain ride. And I'm thinking about Space
Mountain in particular. You know, when our Josh was big

(57:59):
enough to go on it and Joe wasn't, it was, it was Joe and I
would go and just ride the people mover as many times you
want and actually made that an enjoyable experience.
But then he got a little bit of payback because it'd be them.
We're able to go on to some of the more accessible ones for
younger children and that the balance is a much better one in

(58:21):
that park and than possibly in some of the others.
OK, the next one's a difficult one.
Best themed experiences, so emotion, storytelling and Q
design. Oh dear me I, I can't choose on
that. I think there's multiple parts
I'm my. My instinct with this one goes
to Animal Kingdom. Yeah.

(58:41):
Q Design for Everest. Yeah, OK.
And Pandora and Pandora. Yeah, OK.
We saw that. You're sort of immersed in yeah
it it just feels so different toan actual theme park than what
what a regular theme park and what other the other parks
offer. Yeah, the only thing as well.
And I would again flag up our trip around Epcot and well,

(59:06):
well, Showcase because irrespective of the fact that,
you know, to actually theme something within a ride, I think
it's quite easy. But to actually theme something
and not be not be culturally inappropriate.
I think in this day it's rather quite a tricky, A tricky place
to to be. But to actually get our balance

(59:28):
between adding a bit history, a bit of education and also just a
bit of a nod towards some of thetraditions of each country.
I think, well, Showcase for me actually has that immersion and
storytelling part of it. But I would still say, yeah, I
think Everest, Everest and Flight a Passenger.

(59:50):
But I've definitely got the cue design, yeah.
OK and Lost Castro is underratedattractions.
Which one has the most hidden gems?
Oh, that's difficult. I'm I'm.
Yeah. Do you know something?
I would probably go with Animal Kingdom for that because there's
loads of stuff there that are. Cracking up, it's just not.

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Obvious and nobody else is there.
And, and, and, and, yeah, even the train that you get across
the conservation station, some people just have to add it's
just a little train ride. We won't bother with that.
That's when you get to the side and you've got the the animation
part of it as you feel that is, that is such a, you know, people

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just don't know it's there. And then you come off and you've
got the jungle track that peoplejust don't know.
We've got. We've got a fast process.
Let's go there and actually justtake your time.
Go and explore what the place isabout and.
Every time we do the safari now we we can't get off it without
then going back to Gorilla Falls.
Yeah, yeah. And then depends on the time.

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It's like us in the morning. So actually let's go to the
jungle Maharaj jungle track and then see what if Kali is.
It's those sort of yes, you do an attraction, but actually the
attraction itself is those hidden areas that you, you just
think always walk through. I don't need to go and do that.
But actually. Yeah.
It's those times that you actually spend together as a

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family that you notice differentthings that you just don't,
don't, don't realise. It's so easy to go to an
attraction and go then my favorite attraction is this.
It's those little hidden gems that you don't.
And there is, there's hidden gemin Epcot that I think goes
unnoticed by quite a few people.And it's the Moana journey of
water. I loved that.

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Last year and I know I feel likewhen it was when it was
announced and everyone's talkingabout this belongs in the wrong
park. This should be an animal
Kingdom, but I was just in awe by walking through the music,
the education, the side of everything you the technology
they've used as well in there. I think it isn't easy to

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maintain or develop so I I'm I just think what they've.
Done. That's a tracking one.
And also Ben, I think what's really important to, you know,
going back to what I said earlier in the show about the
original incarnation of Epcot with that educational part of
it. If you go and look at the
different levels of manners during your water, if you are in

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a push chair, you are seeing a different level of detail, but
on but on a younger child basis at a low level.
And then as an adult, you look at a high level and your
eyeliners is seeing something completely different, a little
bit more grown up. And if you may be in between the

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two, you've got like different things.
Well, whoever designed it, it's just like has really nailed
older car, newer car and actually engaged the rest.
Shame they didn't put them in charge of the maybe put a nice
big fountain right in the middleof the of the past that was.

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A good idea. OK, so John, no.
No, I can't. No, it's our turn.
I can't do this, but I really I find this really difficult.
It depends on the day as well. Yeah, I have to admit.
But from all the trips that I have been, I always used to put
hollow shoes first because it was the one that was always my

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memory. I have to admit, the most recent
trip for me Epcot is my #1 Park,which I would never have said
back in 2013. On our first trip, I didn't get
Epcot all the time. And it probably wasn't until I
started doing the show and learnmore about it and had a chance
to experience Epcot more that that's probably my favorite

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park, closely followed by Hollywood Studios.
And it's really difficult to to rank.
But it depends on the day and it's been a couple of years
since we've done all four parks on one trip.
But lastly, we only had the chance to do one day Epcot this.
Summer, you guys have kind of gone on kind of short trips as

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well, haven't you? So that becomes a little bit
more problematic and actually making sure that you actually
get something else in there, I think, I think.
We did a seven day of Christmas once and and it was like, OK, it
was we were waking up at 6:00 AMin the morning, going to bed at
midnight like 7 days in a row, trying to fit in all the parks.
So you get a different sort of thing and you you don't have the

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time to pause and let the magic come to you.
So for me it is difficult. I have favors for different
reasons, but I don't think there's there'll ever be a
consensus amongst us. No, I even, even if you're
talking now, I was going to agree with you and say that
Epcot would be my number one, but having done Keys to the

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Kingdom again last year, Magic Kingdom's still right up there
because it's still got that little bit of quality of Walt
all about it. And it just that I really, I've,
I found this really difficult toactually, you know, I, I think I
think it was Karen who mentionedit and that very early in the

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show and the child, it's like choosing your favorite child, it
becomes really difficult. So I'm, I'm going to, I'm going
to be, I'm going to cheat. I'm going to have a equal first
of Epcot and Magic. Kingdom, I thought you're going
to go all all four. No, no.
But I think, I think Magic Kingdom can't stand above.
But I then can't choose between the studios and Animal Kingdom

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either and. I think it's difficult and I
think we know the process of what's happening at both of
those parts and what's changing,and I'm trying to not let that
influence my decision. But I would probably put my
experience Hall of Studios ever slightly above Animal Kingdom,
but only slight. And that would probably have

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been before I rode Everest. And now Everest is one of my
favorite. There's there's always a park in
the park. The, and I think Wendy said it,
my favorite parks don't seem to change, but the ride
attractions, on the other hand, do.
Yeah, yeah. There's always times where Epcot

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really raised in, in my estimations, when Guardians
opened and we were going on and it was, it was one of the big
changes. And then the rest of the
construction, Epcot finished andthat was hatched up.
Reopening the summer. Yeah, it's, it's been my system
for me. Yeah, I can see that.

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I can understand that. And that's the, I think ride
wise, I think Epcot's got not just the not just the shows and
not just the little bits of magic.
Yeah, but I can't, I can't take the Walt part out of a Magic
Kingdom that I'm really sort of yearned for.

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And then the other side as well is actually when you look at the
other two, you look at the studios and you look at Animal
Kingdom, you can't actually, youcan't actually separate them out
of the mix because they offer you a completely different
experience. And I think this, this, this for
me is such an important bit about why we end up going to

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Orlando as often as we do. Because, you know, I could go on
towers that could go to Flamingoland, that could go whatever
theme park in the UK, you do nothave that level of detailing and
theme in and just taking you into, you know, you go, you go
to the UK theme park and it's basically, there's one ride,

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there's another ride, there's another ride.
And there's no joined up thinking whatsoever.
It doesn't, it just doesn't worklike that over here.
And yet you become, just become embraced by the whole magic of,
of what each of those parts do. And they're all different.
They all have just different bits that get to you.
So I just that's, that's me sitting on the bench completely.

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Then I must admit. And you know, I'd be interested.
I think nobody, nobody really inthe chat has actually jumped in
and put a top 4 though, because I don't feel that yeah, I don't
feel that you can. And I think one of the things to
bear in mind if you listen to this either on the podcast on
Friday or you're watching this on the catch up on YouTube, your

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own favorite. If you've never been before,
you've got to have to go and find your favorite.
And that's that's the key part to it.
Second one, your favorite will change.
Don't be don't be surprised by that because it will like Ben's
found. But the third bit as well is
don't close yourself off to the fact that, you know, some people
might say, oh, I've been to AnnaMcKinney, I've been to the

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studio, I've been to Epcot. I didn't like it very much.
Don't put it on your list. Go and explore these parks
because actually there's so muchto see and so many people come
away from them having supposedlybeen on hold.
And actually you'll turn around and ask them, oh, did you see
such into oh, where was that? And it's just like, and they've

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missed it and they missed it because they actually, they just
did either didn't have time or they were too busy trying to
ride the the main thrill rides and just didn't get the
immersive other stuff that's there as well.
And I think. It's easy to miss everything
else when. Oh, too, right.
When you've got a particular bigattraction that you're focused

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on, especially at Epcot, you're like, OK, it will usefully you
get your boarding group and thenit's like that's the main focus
and you didn't think of anythingelse you're planning for that
day because that's your one ride.
Sometimes Super will do that andthen go like, well let's pop to
another park, but haven't done Epcot or haven't done that park
in that particular way. Yeah.
And that's and that's the fun thing.

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And I do, I do realize that as someone who's had the great
fortune of actually been out on holiday a number of times to
these parts, that's taken quite a while to get to that stage.
I think when you go in, it's your first time.
It can be overriding and it can be in a way, you kind of get

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lost within the plant and you get lost within the must do
stuff that you actually, you don't probably see half of what
you could see because everyone'seither trying to make, Oh, we
need to do this, we have to do this.
We I want to do this. And yet it's, it's there and
it's what pulls you back. And that's, and that's the

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strange thing that actually whenyou, when you come away and
you're like, oh, I'll need to goback because I didn't do that.
And I think that's. It's always an excuse to go
back. It's like, oh, test tracks
opening. Book that extra trip or just go
for another day and go like hey Epcot's now more of my must do
this trip because test tracks open.

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Yeah. I'm going to be going back this
year because Epic Universe is opening.
There's we always have that reason for dragging us back and
booking an extra trip. I have to admit going to an all
inclusive in Europe doesn't havethe same appeal.
No it doesn't, because. I have the same pull back that
you must go back. I want to say huge thank you to

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years to the episode release of our of the great British Mickey
waffle we launched on the Yeah. Oh dear, I might need to get my
birthday. That's it.
Oh, I wonder. What we do, you know what, I
can't remember what we're talking about next week.
So actually I think what we should do is we should open that
up to the chat. So actually come and let us know
in the chat what you'd like us to talk about next week.

(01:12:25):
I thought we had AI. Thought we had a really good
topic for next week as well. Do you know what?
I can't remember what it is. Can't.
I can't. I can't off the top of my head,
but it was good. Is it?
How long should your Orlando trip be?
Yes, yes, that's it exactly fromsomeone from someone who's been
on a five week trip to Orlando. How do you I was going to say,

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how many days did you spend in the parks?
And I'm looking forward to that topic now.
Yeah, and it was. Yeah, but if you want anything
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Let us know. Because actually we'd love you
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It's a good listing that. Is is indeed.
But also others, Well, Ben, Joshactually put a load of photos in

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the waffle's arms that link backto to the podcast as well.
And actually it adds so much more detail into it.
And you know, a massive thank you because actually some of the
things he spoke about, I think it might be Wendy to put as a
reply. And the fact is purchase of Mac

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and cheese and Gatorade as his first as his first trip to the
supermarket. Has he got to be you know, that
seems sorted like you know, because.
The fresh trip to Walmart isn't it when you, yeah, wants your
best. Yeah, Kraft Mac and Cheese and
that and again that comes from asong.
Yeah, we we've got a week more Kraft Dinner, which is a bare

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naked ladies song. Yes, if I had $1,000,000 I'd be
rich. There we go.
And I've probably been Disney a lot more.
Absolutely, yeah, because we could maybe we could maybe stay
that bit longer if we go the next week's show as well.
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it called Dosa Orlando. And it's got a twist at the end
as well, yeah. I'll keep that.
I'll keep that for next week because it's a really good
story. So until next week, we'll see
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Now my wheels in.