May 2, 2025 • 39 mins
Martin joins The Grind Podcast as the newest co-host, bringing profound insights that bridge faith, business, and personal growth. Dillon welcomes this dynamic addition, promising weekly conversations packed with value and perspective.
Their inaugural conversation dives deep into gratitude as the cornerstone of effective leadership. Through a fresh examination of the Prodigal Son parable, Martin reveals how both sons struggled with gratitude in different ways. The younger son gained appreciation through hardship, while the elder son—despite his loyalty—couldn't celebrate his brother's return. This duality perfectly illustrates how gratitude functions as a lens that transforms our perception, actions, and ultimately, what we attract into our lives.
When applied to business, gratitude becomes a game-changer. Rather than fixating on limitations, acknowledging the incredible opportunities available to build and create opens doors to innovation and growth. Martin and Dillon explore the biblical foundation for creativity, noting that as image-bearers of a Creator God, humans are designed to "bring the unseen into the seen." This divine design pattern empowers entrepreneurs to mine, refine, and build with purpose.
The conversation takes a fascinating turn as they discuss vibration and energy from a Christian perspective, distinguishing between new age concepts and biblical principles of power. Martin shares a compelling metaphor about a broken device that wouldn't charge because the switch wasn't turned on—illustrating how believers must not only be connected to their power source but actively engage with it. Through powerful examples, including Jesus clearing a room before performing a miracle, they demonstrate why creating the right environment is essential for breakthrough.
For leaders feeling isolated in their journey, Martin offers transformative advice: remember your "why." When your purpose extends beyond personal gain to impact others meaningfully, you'll find strength to persevere through challenges. As he powerfully concludes, "The work you may not see working for you is working on you"—the most valuable development happens during the process, not just in the outcome.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's going on you guys?
Hey, super excited to be withyou today.
Got some great and awesome news.
Super excited Martin is goingto be a new co-host on the grind
podcast.
I'm super pumped and excited.
We were having a greatconversation this morning and I
wanted to carry it over to thispodcast and I think we're going
to bring some great value topeople.
I just really appreciate theconversations that we have, so
(00:22):
I'm excited to do these,hopefully weekly with you, get
them out by Fridays, but superpumped and excited to have you
on here.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, thanks, dylan, and I appreciate it.
I'm excited, I'm pumped.
Yeah, I love havingconversations.
Obviously, you know, withanyone for the most part, let's
be real.
But to be truthful, you know,especially when you deal with
like-minded people, I love it.
I love, I love our talks andI'm super excited about
opportunities.
So cool.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah, so this morning we were talking a little bit
about gratitude and you hadgotten into the conversation
about the prodigal son.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Can you touch on that a little bit?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, um, you know.
So it's interesting where, umand not to like obviously go too
deep.
But, um, you know, I when Ilook at gratitude, I believe
it's interesting where and notto like obviously go too deep.
But you know, when I look atgratitude, I believe it's
foundational for a lot,especially when you deal with,
like, leadership.
I think gratitude is thefoundation that you have to have
it.
You got to have a, you got tocome from a space of gratitude,
but it's interesting.
So when you do the study in Lukeon the prodigal son, a lot of
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times we look at it like it's agreat example of somebody that's
fallen away and then when theycome back, we can use it as a
template for even for children,right, who may be fallen away.
But I think when you go deeper,there's more than just that.
So, as an example, um, at thevery beginning, um, you know it,
it starts off where the.
You know the son obviouslywasn't happy.
(01:43):
He wanted the dad to give himhis inheritance and he wanted it
right away.
So he asked the dad hey, I wantmy inheritance.
And then after a few days hetook off right, went, went to
the city.
He probably like blew throughall of his money.
He probably had a ton offriends, a ton of partying, he
had the whole life going on.
But it was interesting becausewhen you kind of keep going, you
(02:03):
got to the point where, when heran out of money, his friends
left.
And then he got to the pointwhere he's basically working on
a pig farm eating the pods thatfell, and at that moment
gratitude came back and itbasically was like he realized
that what he was making itdoesn't talk about the amount of
money he was making, butwhatever it was, it wasn't
(02:24):
enough.
And then he thought back at hisfather's house, where even his
dad's servants had it betterthan that.
So I think that's when thegratitude for him started to
come back and then, ultimately,he started seeing things
differently.
You know, when you are gratefulat what you're looking at, or
when you're coming from a placeof being grateful, it changes
(02:47):
how you see things.
It's like the whole saying likeum, you know when you, when you
change the way you see things,the things you see, change.
Gratitude is a lens.
So now, all of a sudden, theson, who was selfish, only cared
about himself.
Now, all of a sudden, he'slooking at it from a different
perspective only cared abouthimself.
Now, all of a sudden, he'slooking at it from a different
(03:07):
perspective.
He was grateful that he couldgo back and not just maybe be
the son, but like work for hisdad and have better food.
And you know, the interestingpiece is, obviously, when he
came back, we know that the dadran and met him and threw a
party.
But here's the interesting pieceon top of that, it was weird
because you had one son who wasungrateful but he went through
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the trials of life and ended updeveloping an attitude of
gratitude.
And you had a second son whokind of didn't do any of that
stuff but at the very end theson wasn't grateful.
The second son, who did nothingwrong wrong now wasn't grateful
that his son who was lost, hisbrother who was lost, came back.
So yeah, two, two examples oflike losing gratitude and
(03:53):
getting it back, and then onenot really losing it but not
really having it at the very end.
So it was weird.
It was two brothers, twodifferent situations.
But you know, I think that, um,in everything you do, if you
don't have gratitude, it's goingto change how you see things.
Therefore, it's going to changehow you do things and therefore
it's going to change what youattract to you.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, Now how could we relate that to business?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, I think for business really no difference.
Right, you could fill in theblank, but you think about
business and ask yourselfwhatever stage you're at, you
have to be grateful.
You have to be grateful thatone you're in a I would just say
you're even in a country whereyou have the ability to be able
to build whatever you want, tobuild right.
(04:39):
We don't have the you know,maybe the obstructions that
maybe some other people have.
So I would say, start there, begrateful that we have the
ability to be able to do that.
I would also say, be gratefulthat we have the capability to
do that right, that we'rethinking and obviously in our
sound mind, that we have toolsand resources today that you
(04:59):
know people didn't have 20 yearsago.
You got to be thankful for that, you know.
And the fact that you have anopportunity to create a product,
service or idea and get infront of multi millions of
people, like at you know, if youwere born in a different time
you wouldn't have thatopportunity.
(05:20):
So we have an opportunity whereyou could be in front of
hundreds of millions of people,you know, rather quickly.
So, like, be grateful for thetime that we're in as well and I
think, ultimately, like you canmake a laundry list and start
stacking them and that's not tosay that you have to, but what I
would say is I would write downa couple of them and focus on
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them and think about them anddwell on them and meditate on
them, because whatever you focuson them and think about them
and dwell on them and meditateon them, because whatever you
focus on expands and as long asyou constantly have a heart and
a posture of gratitude, you'regoing to find yourself like on
this side of goodness, whereason that side you may have to go
through the hard stuff like theprodigal son to be able to bring
(06:01):
you back.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, a prodigal son to be able to bring you back.
Yeah, and I think what kind ofsparked this whole conversation
around gratitude was just theidea of, like, even team members
and employees and just you andI have both worked for companies
under leadership, you know andjust having gratitude even with
the position that you're in, anddoing that unto the Lord, and I
think that was kind of whatsparked this whole conversation
(06:24):
around gratitude.
That was kind of what sparkedthis whole conversation around
gratitude and it kind of ledinto this whole conversation and
it was just really cool andexciting to have that
conversation with you.
I don't remember everythingthat we talked about.
I'm hoping that throughout thisconversation, though, it'll come
up and whatnot but that kind ofled into a little bit of how
(06:45):
you were talking, how godcreated everything from nothing
and how there's nothing, andfrom the beginning to the end of
time, like he already knew thatyou would have sports box, he
already knew that chris and Iwould have the salon, and like
he built everything from nothingfrom end of time.
And then you had kind of goneinto a conversation about
(07:09):
vibrations and things like that,which I wanted to touch on
because I think it's soimportant when, because you're
going to, you were talking alittle bit about quote unquote
energy, but it's not new agetype energy and we see that in
the Bible, where you weretalking about the woman touching
Jesus's garment.
So I just kind of wanted totouch on that story and kind of
(07:30):
go down that rabbit hole ofwhere we talked about that this
morning, so you can startwherever you want.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
But yeah, I remember that was good stuff and there's
a lot there.
So I want to make sure I don'tmiss.
But you know it's interestingbecause in my bible it's pretty
marked up and, um, I really tryto like dig in and like really
learn.
And there's different facets ofit, like one of like what was
going on at that time, greatlessons.
But the bible is so deep sothere's so many layers and
(07:59):
that's why I tell especiallyyoung men, when they come to me
they're like, hey, like you know, coach, what, what do I read?
I tell them, hey, don't worryabout like burning through it.
You're better going deep thanyou are.
You know, go vertical thanhorizontal.
Like every section, you couldgo deep in the section and learn
something that can like impactyour whole life and just burn in
through and say, oh, I read thebible yeah you know what I mean
(08:20):
.
But when you, when you, whenwhen I take the first page of
Bible, which is Genesis 1 and 2,there is so much on there and
I'm telling you in my belief, ifthat's all you had for the most
part and you were to learn andstudy and dwell, you would have
a very, very successful life.
There's so much about businessand marriage and life and
(08:40):
friendship and all the templatesare in there.
But when you were talking aboutGod created everything you know
.
The first thing we learn aboutGod is you know not that he was
love, which he is, and all thatis God teaches us about himself
is his nature.
He's a creator.
In the beginning, God created.
So the first thing God chose tolike reveal to us is that he is
(09:03):
a creator.
Chose to like reveal to us isthat he is a creator and if
we're made in his image, Ibelieve that we are made to
build as well.
We're made to create and now forsome people it's already like,
I think, in there bubbling out,and for other people you got to
kind of dig it out, but I thinkit's in everybody.
But the words are different.
When you look at the creationpart, like the, the, the lord
god created um, you knoweverything from nothing.
(09:25):
You know, and it's a differentword, right.
So he just basically created it.
He said it, he spoke it.
That was the vehicle and itcame to pass with with us.
It's different.
We're to create, but it's adifferent word we're, we're,
we're to bring the unseen intothe scene.
So everything has already beendone, it already been created,
but we are to bring the unseento the scene.
(09:47):
Now maybe you're thinking well,what do you mean?
Like a car was already created?
no, but all the pieces of thecar was already there yeah and
we had to bring it out of theground and be able to do that.
It's interesting becauseeverything was already created
and it's in the ground, so itall had to to be mined.
Even gold got put into theground.
Why did he put the gold in theground?
It had to be mined, it had tobe dug out.
(10:09):
Now you think about it.
How did he create us?
From the ground?
From the ground, right?
So I believe the reason he didthat is because we are to build.
That's what he wants us to do.
So it's super cool and itdoesn't matter whether it's like
you know, you're building yourbusiness, which I think he wants
us to be able to do that, butjust building things.
(10:31):
You know we're to build.
We're to build, you know,families and build relationships
, and we're to build.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah he made us that way yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
So you know that's how I look at and I get excited
and and I I'm thankful.
I'm thankful that I have afather who's the master builder
that I can learn from right thathe made me in his image.
So when we get excited aboutbuilding something you know and
being able to do that well, weget excited because God put that
innately in us.
(11:00):
So that's a piece that you know, I'm very grateful for us.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
So that's a piece that you know I'm very grateful
for.
Yeah, and that kind of led overto the whole the magnet that
you were talking about and thevibration.
So I really want to dig intothat because I think there's a
lot of gold there and I figuredbringing up the magnet would
kind of spark some thoughts foryou and what we talked about
this morning yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
So that's an interesting piece.
Um, you know, it's a littleweird where people could be like
and, trust me, it's not.
A lot of times what happens isyou have these, um, I don't know
if I I would call themreligions, but you have these
like religions or sectors wherepeople get focused on this right
, and then what happens is, ifchrist, if the, you know, in
(11:45):
christianity, if you starttalking about it, a lot of times
people are like, they associatewith it.
So, oh, you're going to.
You know what I mean and theydo that.
Yeah, but I think they missedthe point.
It the.
The point is, um, the differencebetween the two is god created
the piece, or he created aworkflow?
He created a model or atemplate or a principle that
(12:08):
applies, and the thing about Godis God's not a respecter of
persons.
So the principles that Godcreated work.
So, whether you're a believeror not a believer, if you're
using the principle, theprinciple is going to work
because he created it.
Whereas some people will lookat the principle as the almighty
, whereas a Christian we don'twill look at the principle as
the almighty, whereas achristian we don't.
(12:28):
We look at the one who createdthe principle, right, that's the
difference between what youknow, us and them, or us.
You know, for the most part, umin that part, but it there's,
it's principles that he created.
Now, where it gets, you know,really interesting that I really
try to geek out on as well isthe.
You know, yeah, the vibrationalpiece and the you know there's.
(12:49):
Everything operates in energyand there's power and there's
truth to all of that.
You know what I mean and it'sjust super interesting.
And the part that you talkedabout you know where the woman
came who had a flow of bloodwhen Jesus was walking to go
heal Jairus' kid.
She touched him, but she saidit to herself.
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She purposed in her heart thathey, if I touch him, I'll be
healed, and power left himimmediately and she was healed.
Now when he says who touched me,I believe that he already knew
who touched.
He just a lot of times wassaying things to teach a lesson
during that moment, but there'struth to that.
That power left him and I think, in my opinion this is just my
(13:34):
opinion I think God has calledus, as believers, to walk in
power, but I think mostbelievers do not walk in power.
I think most believers justsettle and live in comfort, and
there's no power in comfort andthings shouldn't be about us.
It should be about other people.
So being able to learn and tapin and jump into power, I think
(13:55):
that's what we're called to doand I'm going to give you an
example, if you don't mind me.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
No, please.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Okay, let me share a story.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
This is what it's about.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
It's a story that I'll never forget.
So years, years, years ago, myvery first business, I had an
appraisal business and this wasbefore, like all the cool phones
with the app and all that.
But way back in the day, and Iremember, I bought it.
You remember the PDAs.
You may have been too young, Ihad a PDA.
So basically, like it's kind oflike a phone where I could go
(14:23):
out during the inspection, I canput everything down, click on,
click on.
I would hook it up to mycomputer.
When I get back it would loadall the data and it would save
me from manually loading thedata, right.
So it was super cool and I usedto do that and all of a sudden
it just stopped working, justtotally stopped working.
And it wasn't cheap.
They were probably $300 at thetime.
And you know, I was frustratedA year later.
(14:45):
I don't know what I was doing.
I was probably driving, but forwhatever reason, I thought about
that and I was like, oh man, Iwonder if, like you know,
sometimes you have an outletwhere it has to be, the switch
has to be turned on.
Yeah, and I was thinking tomyself I wonder if it was
plugged in.
I I get to myself, I wonder ifit was plugged in.
I don't even know why I thoughtof it.
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I wonder if it was plugged intoan outlet where the switch
wasn't even turned on, what?
So I remember getting home andI'm like looking all over the
house for it.
I find it.
I didn't throw it away, plug itinto a thing, turn on the
switch.
I wait an hour and and thelesson here's the lesson I
learned two things.
One, as a christian, if youdon't have power in your life,
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maybe you're either not pluggedin or maybe you are plugged in
but the switch isn't on.
You know what I mean?
The switch has to be on.
You got to be plugged in, gotto be plugged into the spirit,
but the switch has to be on andthere's.
There is some truth to thepower that we're walking in, and
it's not just a word, it'sactual power and and everything.
(15:50):
There's a vibration toeverything and I just believe
that the higher a person canvibrate on a consistent basis, I
think, the more power thatperson's going to be able to
have.
Now, I haven't figured all thatpart out yet, but that's just
kind of what I see and what Iread and what I believe.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
So yeah, I mean, it got us talking to, about even in
business, where you know andAlex Ramosi had talked about
this um, this point of as abusiness owner, you go through
these long periods of time ofjust like grinding, putting in
the day in, day out, but thenthere's a couple of times where
(16:30):
you hit the home run.
And he shared this story ofthese two guys that had this
business.
They were struggling,struggling to make payroll,
struggling to just make endsmeet, and then Q1, the following
year, they hit a home run 15mil, 20 mil, 17 mil, like month
after month, and then theydecided hey let's start.
(16:52):
We can start going on vacations,we can start doing all these
things by the house.
And his recommendation to themwas now is not the time to let
up, but now is the time to puton the gas.
And I think so many times, likewe get, it goes back to
comfortability.
Where we get so comfortablewith man, we're just, we're good
(17:14):
, like I'm good with what I have, but God hasn't called us to
stop.
Like, if we're living and we'rebreathing, we're called to
continue building, like you'vetalked about, and I think it's
just so powerful to like, thinkabout how, when you're in those
moments and you are in thosequote unquote vibrations, you
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got to press the gas and not letup.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, I, I, I love that story when you were telling
me about that, because Ihaven't heard that before, but I
appreciate it and I believe init.
You know it's interestingbecause I got a couple pieces on
this One.
I think a lot of times, even inus in the church, right, when I
say the church, the body, theentire body, I think a lot of
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times there can be this stigma,especially for business owners
or whatever the case, whereyou're like, oh, it's all about
money, right, or it's all aboutmoney.
Or if you've got a businesswhere you're making millions of
dollars, you know it could belike a bad thing, like, oh,
you're selfish.
I'm not a believer in that atall.
I think that we're called tomultiply everything that hand
touches right A hundred percentand ultimately you can be, you
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know, a great human being and berich, and you can be a crappy
human being and being poor it'sa posture of who you are in your
heart, right, being havingmoney is just a money's just a
tool.
So money's going to magnify whoyou already are.
But with that being said, I'mgoing to, I want to share a
story.
It's probably the most powerfulstory that I've ever witnessed,
and not only witnessed, but Igot to experience it and it's
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something that I constantlythink about.
Probably a week doesn't go bywhere it doesn't pop up.
But I remember one time I was ata men's retreat and we were um,
you know, there's probablyabout 80 people in the room and
it was weird because we're inthis, you know, this room like a
I don't know what the name ofit.
It was like a, it was a bigpark, and then there's like this
room, and it was a pretty coolroom, but the way it sat, you
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had people sitting this way,people sitting that way, the
speaker was over there a couplerows this way.
So I was sitting here watchingthe speaker, but this way way,
there was a pastor who broughtlike 30 of his people from
another state and the preacherthe guy that was speaking is a
very wealthy man, he's abusinessman.
He was bringing up talkingabout money and finances, and I
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could see that the preacher wasgetting very offended.
No one else is paying anyattention, but the way I'm
sitting, I'm right in front ofhim, so I'm watching him get
offended, but I'm also listeningbecause I love this guy and I
love everything that he says.
Right.
So finally about uh, probablyhalfway through, he stood up.
I'm like, oh, it's going to getreal.
And he basically says, hey, Ihave a problem with all of this.
So I'm like everyone's likewhat's going on?
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But I knew this was going tohappen and he basically said it
uh, you know know, the speakersaid what's the problem?
And he said I got a problembecause I make 60 grand a year.
He goes are you talking abouthis money?
He goes I make 60 grand a yearand that's enough for me.
And I'll never forget the wordsout of the speaker's mouth was
that's your problem, it's allabout you.
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And he sat down and he keptgoing.
And this wasn't a thing whereit was like a name.
It claim it.
That's not what it was about,but the gentleman was very
wealthy and he was going throughsome principles from the Bible.
At the very end, the preacherstood back up again and he says
you know, I want to apologize infront of everyone.
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I never looked at it that way.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
And I don't know how many people there actually
remember it For me.
It stayed with me Because,again, money is a tool, but I
think of so many of us,especially Christians.
We get to the point where wethink it's enough for us and if
we have a thought process ofit's enough for us, then,
truthfully, it's just reallyselfish Because it's not about
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us, it's not supposed's notabout us, it's not supposed to
be about us.
If we built everything we builtfor strictly me and my wife,
then what's the point?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Now, my wife and I will be benefactors, obviously,
of what we built, but if that'syour goal, if that's the main
thing, then there's no power inthat so we just we unpacked so
much this morning, so um, butkind of I want to backtrack a
little bit too about, um, thesame story with the woman
touching jesus's dress yeah hewas on his way to heal um
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jerry's, yeah, so the importanceof having a good circle around
you, because what did he do whenhe got there and I think we
unpacked this a little bit too Ihad this little story from this
book that I'm reading, and hewas talking about how one glides
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.
What are they, glidestills?
Glidestills the horses.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Glide stills yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
One by itself can pull 8,000 pounds, two that
haven't been brought up togethercan pull 24,000 pounds.
But then there's if you bringtwo together that have grown up
on a farm and have workedtogether can pull 36,000 pounds.
So you go from one pulling8,000 pounds to being able to
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have 36,000 pounds pulled withtwo that have constantly worked
together and built thatrelationship together.
And it just reminded me also,like, how important your circle
is, who you surround yourselfwith, who's speaking into your
life.
And I think it's just such apowerful thing because even when
you look at that story of Jesus, he kicked people out.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
You know it's such a great story I think I know for
me I missed that for many yearsand I would say that if there
was probably 10 people right nowlistening for many years and I
would say that if there wasprobably 10 people right now
listening, probably nine of themhave missed that.
And if you read the story, whenhe walked into the house the
girl already died.
So everyone was wailing.
Of course, imagine losing yourkid.
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But he said she's sleeping.
Now, at that moment the Biblesays that they ridiculed him.
So I want you to understand,like for one.
Actually, before that he onlybrought three of his disciples
in, so he left other ones out.
Why, I don't know, maybe beliefOnly brought three in.
Then they ridiculed him andwhen they ridiculed him he
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kicked them all out of the house.
He had to put them out of thehouse and then he went and
healed.
And it's just interestingbecause you know, maybe with, uh
, with the negative negativityand the bad energy and the whole
nine yards unbelief, there's no, there's no miracle there.
So he had literally removedthat.
So he had a space where he was,where miracles can happen.
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And I wonder in our life somany times we're like maybe we
really want that miracle tohappen, but maybe there's not a
space for that miracle to beable to take place because of
unbelief or because of who's inthat circle.
So it's super, super important.
It like drilling down andwhatever it is you're trying to
accomplish.
If it seems like it's draggingor it's tearing, maybe ask
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yourself, hey, who's in thecircle?
Who do I need to clean housewith to make sure I have a space
and environment for the miracleto actually happen.
So it's a great point, it's agreat story.
Um, it's just super awesome.
And if you know, if the lorddidn't do the miracle until his
space was cleared, what makes usthink a miracle is going to
happen if our space isn'tcleared?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah, I think it kind of related to back to the whole
vibration thing of like there'ssome people that could be
bringing that down.
Yes, flow and let the HolySpirit lead and do things, when
you just have constantnegativity or constant people
pulling you down or not havingfaith in you, or not even faith
(25:07):
in you but just having faith inwhat you're doing and that you
are being called to do thatright.
So I mean, if you're trying tobuild, build, build and then you
have all these people inunbelief and not believing in
you, it's tough.
And that brings me to the pointof I did remember Rudy.
You were talking about Rudythis morning, so I want you to
touch on that a little bit,because it kind of goes hand in
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hand with this a little bit.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah, so I have you know, I have.
You know, we all have ourfavorite movies.
Rudy's one of my favorite.
But you know, you have a guywho was in high school, was
short, not very talented, notvery fast, had great heart,
played hard, his grades werehorrible and all of a sudden one
day the light bulb went off andhe wanted to go play at Notre
(25:52):
Dame.
Now Notre Dame is one of thetop colleges in the country, so
you're dealing with a D1 levelwhere you're dealing with Rudy,
who is a JC at best.
It's 100%.
It's like nine day.
So in reality it's just notgoing to happen ever in any
lifetime.
But he purposed in his heartthat this is where he was going
to go to school.
And it's weird because for meit was like okay, the light went
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on, his vibration 100% changed.
So, whatever the frequency hewas in school was not the
frequency he was when he wasgoing after it.
And now he's going after it andpeople are like you know, even
your own parents don't believein your like telling you all
this stuff.
And he was just like he didn'twant to hear it, he didn't
listen.
He's like I'm going to do this,I'm going to do this, I'm going
(26:35):
to do this.
He did it, he did it, he did it.
He kept getting rejected andultimately, you know, know, the
rest is history he was able toget in, he was able to make it
on the team and he was able toget on the field and he, to this
day, was the last person 2025,right now, he was the last
person that's ever been carriedoff the field.
Um, at Notre Dame Stadium.
Wow, so it's just amazing.
(26:56):
He was able to accomplish that.
Um.
Now there's a movie about him.
Um, because, in my opinion, inmy belief that he not only
purposed in his heart, but hechanged.
You know, he changes his.
You know, he changed his wholethought process.
He changed his um vibration.
You know, you can imagine the,the difference in the.
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You know it.
Here's what I think of it.
I think think of it like thisLike you, have you been on an
airplane before?
Yeah, okay.
Have you ever been on acommercial airplane?
Yes, okay.
So, like there's really threetypes of planes, right, so you
have a commercial.
That's here.
So, below that, you kind ofhave the.
You know the Cessnas.
(27:37):
Have you ever been on a Cessna?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
No.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Okay, and then you have the Cessnas here, then you
got the commercials, that kindof fly here.
I think they're like 35,000,37,000 feet, okay, like in the
air, in the air.
And then above that you have aprivate jet.
Have you ever been on a privatejet?
No, okay, super cool, I've beenable to do that.
But they fly at a higher.
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You don't think men and womenoperate at different levels of
frequency.
You know what I mean.
So it's just interesting.
It's interesting, and I'm surethat there's things that change
that.
Right, what are you focusing on?
What are you doing?
What are you believing?
Jesus said if you believe, ifyou truly believe, you can say
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to the mountain be cast into thesea or to the tree be uprooted,
like, and you just think aboutthat, like, how can that be?
Like, sometimes we pray forsomething so small and it
doesn't even happen.
And the Lord says if youbelieve, that would happen,
we're like what?
You know what I mean.
So I just think that, like youknow, obviously there's
(28:52):
something to it and being ableto operate in that type of a
space where you're plugged inand the switch is on, so there's
power going through, not somuch for us, but so we can go
out and empower and impact thepeople that are around us.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, there's a couple of things that come to my
mind and then we can kind ofwrap this up.
But first thing is Rudy, right,like a lot of people didn't
believe in him, and I think alot of times as business owners
it can be pretty lonely, likeyou have people not believing in
you.
You're the leader, soeverything falls on you, you're
(29:30):
having to deal with everythingand obviously we lean on the
Lord and things like that.
But I'm just curious on yourtake as far as, like, how to
manage that as a business owner,as a leader, anybody leading a
team, because leadership ingeneral can feel lonely, right.
So just curious your take onkind of how to manage maybe
(29:50):
somebody that's feeling lonelyin leadership or a business
owner.
Like, what is your take on that?
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, actually it's a really good question, right?
I would kind of break it down.
I would say I always say youremember why you're doing it.
So it all starts with the why.
So why are you doing it?
So, as an example, if you'rebuilding a business, to fill in
the blank, you got to rememberwhy you're doing it, because
there's going to be times whereyou feel like you're alone, you
(30:17):
feel like quitting, you feellike throwing in the towel,
you're like why am I working allthese hours?
Why you know I'm running out ofmoney, I'm doing all of this
stuff.
You got to remember the why,right?
So I, when you truly do that,and if you need help, write it
down, print it out and put itall over the house, right?
Speaker 1 (30:33):
so that way you see it Contact Coach Martin or
contact Coach Martin.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Put somebody around you that can pour that into you.
But it's great to havereminders of why you're doing it
.
So as long as you can rememberwhy.
Now here's a little caveat.
So if your why's not big enough, then, yeah, once the tough
times come, you're going to quit.
So you want to have a big why.
But if you have a big why, thenit's more than just you.
(30:59):
If it's only about you and I,it's going to be so much easier
to quit when the things gettough.
But if I'm doing it because offill in the blank or if I'm
doing it because I you know mywife and I truly want to impact
everyone that we come around, oras many people as we we can, if
I truly believe that you knowwhat I mean if I want to be the
(31:19):
guy where you know we're at.
We're at a restaurant and youknow the waitress is sad and I
find out that she can't evenmake rent.
She's a single mother you knowwhat I mean.
And we want to be the peoplethat can like hey, what if we
paid your rent for the year?
You know what I mean.
Not because of us, because hetold us to do this for you.
Like if I truly believe in thaton my heart, it's going to be
(31:40):
easier to get through those hardtimes.
You know, what I mean, becausethen it's no longer about us,
it's about others.
And I think, dylan, ultimatelyit's all about others.
Like, even if you look at itfrom a marriage standpoint, it's
not about me in a marriage,it's not even about my wife in a
marriage.
It's about us teaming up toimpact and influence.
(32:01):
You know, god's people.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, no, I think it's so powerful to have a why.
I think that's what everybusiness owner needs to have,
because if you don't have a why,you're going to just quit,
you're going to give up.
And I think, as you're buildingteams, carrying that why over
to your team and everyonedriving the same mission is so
important.
I know we were kind of talkinga little bit about that this
morning too, of like creating amission statement, a vision
(32:26):
statement, core values, becauseas the team gets bigger, it is
easier to lose sight of what theultimate vision and the goal is
from what you originallystarted it for.
So I think having everyonemoving in the same direction,
towards the same goal, is soimportant, and that's something
we're really working on in thesalon right now is hey, let's
(32:47):
get a mission statement together, let's get a vision statement
together, get our core valuestogether, so everyone's working
towards the same goal, in thesame mission and towards the
same why?
Because, at the end of the day,it's all going to impact God's
kingdom.
So last little gold nugget thatI want to just touch on, that
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we talked about today.
It's literally about gold.
Just touch on that we talkedabout today.
It's literally about gold.
I know that we have talkedabout this before of.
During the gold rush, the minerswere not the ones that made a
majority of the money.
Most miners went bankrupt.
Most miners lost everything,but the people that actually did
really well were the onesselling the stuff to the miners.
(33:30):
So, on the shovels, the stuffto the miners, selling the
shovels, selling the equipmentand I know that kind of spoke to
you a little bit and you dovein on that a little bit.
I don't know if you rememberexactly what you dove in on, but
I think that's something that'salways stuck with me and I
don't even remember where Iheard it, but it was just
something that popped out to meand I felt like it did a little
(33:51):
bit to you as well and I just,if you have anything to share on
that, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I would say that and I don't even remember, I don't
even know if I talked about thisearlier, but this is how I
would see it, because there's100% truth to that right.
When you look at the peoplethat were providing the tools
for the people that were digging, they actually did better.
There was fewer of them andthey did better.
But I think, you know, in myopinion, you know, I think the
(34:17):
reason that is so, think aboutthe principle behind it.
The principle behind it is thepeople that were digging.
They were digging for the mostpart, they were going and
digging for themselves.
Now I'm not saying there'snothing wrong with what they
were doing.
In a sense, some of them couldhave been doing it for other
reasons, but the people thatwere providing tools, they were
(34:38):
providing value to the peoplethat were fill in the blank,
because it doesn't matter ifyou're digging or whatever.
They were providing value tothe people.
And the way God has a principlethat he set up is profit always
follows value.
And the way God has a principlethat he set up is profit always
follows value.
So if you focus on value and alot of new entrepreneurs get
this wrong, a lot, a lot ofpeople get this wrong they focus
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on money.
They focus on the money.
They focus on the money.
They focus on the money.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
It's a wrong principle.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
It's a wrong principle.
You focus on value, you be avalue provider, right, and then
ultimately, profit follows value.
So I think they tapped into aprinciple that God created and
therefore they were able tocapitalize on it.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah, miners were the get rich quick, you know, and
the ones selling the equipmentwere the ones coming out
consistently selling, putting inthe work.
And I think it just goes toshow like, as a business owner,
this isn't going to happenovernight, like you have to put
in the work, nothing's going tohappen overnight.
And I think even like withsports box right Like sometimes
(35:47):
you'll have business owners thatwill come in and like, expect
something overnight and it'slike no, you have to put in the
work, and I think so much inlife people are like that, where
they're just like I just wantit now.
And it's like some likeChick-fil-A has been around 78
years, so it's like it's beenyears.
Subway has been around 40something years.
(36:09):
This doesn't happen overnight.
If you want a big, successfulbusiness that's driving God's
kingdom forward, it's not goingto happen overnight.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I agree, Dylan, I do.
I think a lot of times.
I'm going to just go as aChristian you know business
owner or a Christian man orwoman that's looking to earn
income.
I'm going to be talking more toyou, but I think what happens
is we don't truly understand howit works.
So, you know, we see peoplethat have something nice or like
(36:38):
dang, it'd be really nice to beable to have that.
But we don't understand thefoundational piece behind it,
where you have to be built up asan individual first.
So while you're building yourbusiness and you're doing all
those things and you're goingthrough ups and downs, you're
being prepared.
So you're being prepared as youdo it.
You know what I mean.
And if, without thatpreparation, you're never going
(36:59):
to be able to accomplish whatyou're trying to accomplish.
So there there's kind of liketwo sides of the coin.
There's a side of the coinwhere, um, you know working
works, where we see it working.
But the other side of the coinis more valuable.
The work you may not see itworking for you, but it's
working on you and that's way,way, way more valuable.
(37:22):
And a lot of times we don't see.
Because we don't see this sideof the coin, we give up.
Well, this side of the coin isreally I don't want to say
irrelevant, but it's not asimportant.
The developmental piece on ourend is a sustainable piece, and
that's what God develops usduring that process, so that way
, when we're ready, we're ableto earn it and keep it.
Otherwise, you're going to belike a person that wins a lotto
(37:44):
and they're bankrupt in fiveyears, and I would kind of end
it this way.
On that, if God didn't want youto go through the process which
he 100% did he put the gold inthe ground, in the garden.
So the gold was in the garden,in the ground.
Why didn't he put the gold onthe very top?
There was no economy, there wasno stores.
He put it in the ground.
(38:04):
So, even then, he did it for areason because we have to go
through the process to getstraightened.
Reason because we have to gothrough the process to get
straightened.
If you and I go to the gymcause we're like we want to get
big arms for the summer, likeyou, don't you don't lighten the
load you got to, you know, rackit up and it's going to hurt
and it's.
But what happens is the processthat God created works, even in
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the gym.
So while we're doing it, ourarms will grow and we'll get
stronger.
This is no different.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah, man, what a fantastic conversation.
I just appreciate these talksthat we have and I'm going to
try and start bringing what wetalked you know working together
into this podcast.
Now people know where to findme, but, as a new co-host and
being on the show, where canpeople find and learn more about
(38:50):
you and what you're doing?
And just so they can connectwith us and really get to know
us?
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah, I appreciate it .
Now you can go to my website.
Go to kingdom10xcom orkingdom10xcoachcom, find out a
little bit more about who I am,what I do and, if you've got
questions or if you'restruggling in an area, reach out
.
We'd love to be able to helpyou.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yeah, absolutely yeah .
Well, until next week and ournext conversation and next topic
that we just talk about in theoffice, we will see you guys,
see you later.
What's going on you guys?
Hey, super excited to be withyou today.
Got some great and awesome news.
Super excited Martin is goingto be a new co-host on the grind
podcast.
I'm super pumped and excited.
We were having a greatconversation this morning and I
wanted to carry it over to thispodcast and I think we're going
to bring some great value topeople.
I just really appreciate theconversations that we have, so
(00:22):
I'm excited to do these,hopefully weekly with you, get
them out by Fridays, but superpumped and excited to have you
on here.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, thanks, dylan, and I appreciate it.
I'm excited, I'm pumped.
Yeah, I love havingconversations.
Obviously, you know, withanyone for the most part, let's
be real.
But to be truthful, you know,especially when you deal with
like-minded people, I love it.
I love, I love our talks andI'm super excited about
opportunities.
So cool.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah, so this morning we were talking a little bit
about gratitude and you hadgotten into the conversation
about the prodigal son.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Can you touch on that a little bit?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, um, you know.
So it's interesting where, umand not to like obviously go too
deep.
But, um, you know, I when Ilook at gratitude, I believe
it's interesting where and notto like obviously go too deep.
But you know, when I look atgratitude, I believe it's
foundational for a lot,especially when you deal with,
like, leadership.
I think gratitude is thefoundation that you have to have
it.
You got to have a, you got tocome from a space of gratitude,
but it's interesting.
So when you do the study in Lukeon the prodigal son, a lot of
(01:23):
times we look at it like it's agreat example of somebody that's
fallen away and then when theycome back, we can use it as a
template for even for children,right, who may be fallen away.
But I think when you go deeper,there's more than just that.
So, as an example, um, at thevery beginning, um, you know it,
it starts off where the.
You know the son obviouslywasn't happy.
(01:43):
He wanted the dad to give himhis inheritance and he wanted it
right away.
So he asked the dad hey, I wantmy inheritance.
And then after a few days hetook off right, went, went to
the city.
He probably like blew throughall of his money.
He probably had a ton offriends, a ton of partying, he
had the whole life going on.
But it was interesting becausewhen you kind of keep going, you
(02:03):
got to the point where, when heran out of money, his friends
left.
And then he got to the pointwhere he's basically working on
a pig farm eating the pods thatfell, and at that moment
gratitude came back and itbasically was like he realized
that what he was making itdoesn't talk about the amount of
money he was making, butwhatever it was, it wasn't
(02:24):
enough.
And then he thought back at hisfather's house, where even his
dad's servants had it betterthan that.
So I think that's when thegratitude for him started to
come back and then, ultimately,he started seeing things
differently.
You know, when you are gratefulat what you're looking at, or
when you're coming from a placeof being grateful, it changes
(02:47):
how you see things.
It's like the whole saying likeum, you know when you, when you
change the way you see things,the things you see, change.
Gratitude is a lens.
So now, all of a sudden, theson, who was selfish, only cared
about himself.
Now, all of a sudden, he'slooking at it from a different
perspective only cared abouthimself.
Now, all of a sudden, he'slooking at it from a different
(03:07):
perspective.
He was grateful that he couldgo back and not just maybe be
the son, but like work for hisdad and have better food.
And you know, the interestingpiece is, obviously, when he
came back, we know that the dadran and met him and threw a
party.
But here's the interesting pieceon top of that, it was weird
because you had one son who wasungrateful but he went through
(03:30):
the trials of life and ended updeveloping an attitude of
gratitude.
And you had a second son whokind of didn't do any of that
stuff but at the very end theson wasn't grateful.
The second son, who did nothingwrong wrong now wasn't grateful
that his son who was lost, hisbrother who was lost, came back.
So yeah, two, two examples oflike losing gratitude and
(03:53):
getting it back, and then onenot really losing it but not
really having it at the very end.
So it was weird.
It was two brothers, twodifferent situations.
But you know, I think that, um,in everything you do, if you
don't have gratitude, it's goingto change how you see things.
Therefore, it's going to changehow you do things and therefore
it's going to change what youattract to you.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, Now how could we relate that to business?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, I think for business really no difference.
Right, you could fill in theblank, but you think about
business and ask yourselfwhatever stage you're at, you
have to be grateful.
You have to be grateful thatone you're in a I would just say
you're even in a country whereyou have the ability to be able
to build whatever you want, tobuild right.
(04:39):
We don't have the you know,maybe the obstructions that
maybe some other people have.
So I would say, start there, begrateful that we have the
ability to be able to do that.
I would also say, be gratefulthat we have the capability to
do that right, that we'rethinking and obviously in our
sound mind, that we have toolsand resources today that you
(04:59):
know people didn't have 20 yearsago.
You got to be thankful for that, you know.
And the fact that you have anopportunity to create a product,
service or idea and get infront of multi millions of
people, like at you know, if youwere born in a different time
you wouldn't have thatopportunity.
(05:20):
So we have an opportunity whereyou could be in front of
hundreds of millions of people,you know, rather quickly.
So, like, be grateful for thetime that we're in as well and I
think, ultimately, like you canmake a laundry list and start
stacking them and that's not tosay that you have to, but what I
would say is I would write downa couple of them and focus on
(05:41):
them and think about them anddwell on them and meditate on
them, because whatever you focuson them and think about them
and dwell on them and meditateon them, because whatever you
focus on expands and as long asyou constantly have a heart and
a posture of gratitude, you'regoing to find yourself like on
this side of goodness, whereason that side you may have to go
through the hard stuff like theprodigal son to be able to bring
(06:01):
you back.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, a prodigal son to be able to bring you back.
Yeah, and I think what kind ofsparked this whole conversation
around gratitude was just theidea of, like, even team members
and employees and just you andI have both worked for companies
under leadership, you know andjust having gratitude even with
the position that you're in, anddoing that unto the Lord, and I
think that was kind of whatsparked this whole conversation
(06:24):
around gratitude.
That was kind of what sparkedthis whole conversation around
gratitude and it kind of ledinto this whole conversation and
it was just really cool andexciting to have that
conversation with you.
I don't remember everythingthat we talked about.
I'm hoping that throughout thisconversation, though, it'll come
up and whatnot but that kind ofled into a little bit of how
(06:45):
you were talking, how godcreated everything from nothing
and how there's nothing, andfrom the beginning to the end of
time, like he already knew thatyou would have sports box, he
already knew that chris and Iwould have the salon, and like
he built everything from nothingfrom end of time.
And then you had kind of goneinto a conversation about
(07:09):
vibrations and things like that,which I wanted to touch on
because I think it's soimportant when, because you're
going to, you were talking alittle bit about quote unquote
energy, but it's not new agetype energy and we see that in
the Bible, where you weretalking about the woman touching
Jesus's garment.
So I just kind of wanted totouch on that story and kind of
(07:30):
go down that rabbit hole ofwhere we talked about that this
morning, so you can startwherever you want.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
But yeah, I remember that was good stuff and there's
a lot there.
So I want to make sure I don'tmiss.
But you know it's interestingbecause in my bible it's pretty
marked up and, um, I really tryto like dig in and like really
learn.
And there's different facets ofit, like one of like what was
going on at that time, greatlessons.
But the bible is so deep sothere's so many layers and
(07:59):
that's why I tell especiallyyoung men, when they come to me
they're like, hey, like you know, coach, what, what do I read?
I tell them, hey, don't worryabout like burning through it.
You're better going deep thanyou are.
You know, go vertical thanhorizontal.
Like every section, you couldgo deep in the section and learn
something that can like impactyour whole life and just burn in
through and say, oh, I read thebible yeah you know what I mean
(08:20):
.
But when you, when you, whenwhen I take the first page of
Bible, which is Genesis 1 and 2,there is so much on there and
I'm telling you in my belief, ifthat's all you had for the most
part and you were to learn andstudy and dwell, you would have
a very, very successful life.
There's so much about businessand marriage and life and
(08:40):
friendship and all the templatesare in there.
But when you were talking aboutGod created everything you know
.
The first thing we learn aboutGod is you know not that he was
love, which he is, and all thatis God teaches us about himself
is his nature.
He's a creator.
In the beginning, God created.
So the first thing God chose tolike reveal to us is that he is
(09:03):
a creator.
Chose to like reveal to us isthat he is a creator and if
we're made in his image, Ibelieve that we are made to
build as well.
We're made to create and now forsome people it's already like,
I think, in there bubbling out,and for other people you got to
kind of dig it out, but I thinkit's in everybody.
But the words are different.
When you look at the creationpart, like the, the, the lord
god created um, you knoweverything from nothing.
(09:25):
You know, and it's a differentword, right.
So he just basically created it.
He said it, he spoke it.
That was the vehicle and itcame to pass with with us.
It's different.
We're to create, but it's adifferent word we're, we're,
we're to bring the unseen intothe scene.
So everything has already beendone, it already been created,
but we are to bring the unseento the scene.
(09:47):
Now maybe you're thinking well,what do you mean?
Like a car was already created?
no, but all the pieces of thecar was already there yeah and
we had to bring it out of theground and be able to do that.
It's interesting becauseeverything was already created
and it's in the ground, so itall had to to be mined.
Even gold got put into theground.
Why did he put the gold in theground?
It had to be mined, it had tobe dug out.
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Now you think about it.
How did he create us?
From the ground?
From the ground, right?
So I believe the reason he didthat is because we are to build.
That's what he wants us to do.
So it's super cool and itdoesn't matter whether it's like
you know, you're building yourbusiness, which I think he wants
us to be able to do that, butjust building things.
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You know we're to build.
We're to build, you know,families and build relationships
, and we're to build.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah he made us that way yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
So you know that's how I look at and I get excited
and and I I'm thankful.
I'm thankful that I have afather who's the master builder
that I can learn from right thathe made me in his image.
So when we get excited aboutbuilding something you know and
being able to do that well, weget excited because God put that
innately in us.
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So that's a piece that you know, I'm very grateful for us.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
So that's a piece that you know I'm very grateful
for.
Yeah, and that kind of led overto the whole the magnet that
you were talking about and thevibration.
So I really want to dig intothat because I think there's a
lot of gold there and I figuredbringing up the magnet would
kind of spark some thoughts foryou and what we talked about
this morning yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
So that's an interesting piece.
Um, you know, it's a littleweird where people could be like
and, trust me, it's not.
A lot of times what happens isyou have these, um, I don't know
if I I would call themreligions, but you have these
like religions or sectors wherepeople get focused on this right
, and then what happens is, ifchrist, if the, you know, in
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christianity, if you starttalking about it, a lot of times
people are like, they associatewith it.
So, oh, you're going to.
You know what I mean and theydo that.
Yeah, but I think they missedthe point.
It the.
The point is, um, the differencebetween the two is god created
the piece, or he created aworkflow?
He created a model or atemplate or a principle that
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applies, and the thing about Godis God's not a respecter of
persons.
So the principles that Godcreated work.
So, whether you're a believeror not a believer, if you're
using the principle, theprinciple is going to work
because he created it.
Whereas some people will lookat the principle as the almighty
, whereas a Christian we don'twill look at the principle as
the almighty, whereas achristian we don't.
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We look at the one who createdthe principle, right, that's the
difference between what youknow, us and them, or us.
You know, for the most part, umin that part, but it there's,
it's principles that he created.
Now, where it gets, you know,really interesting that I really
try to geek out on as well isthe.
You know, yeah, the vibrationalpiece and the you know there's.
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Everything operates in energyand there's power and there's
truth to all of that.
You know what I mean and it'sjust super interesting.
And the part that you talkedabout you know where the woman
came who had a flow of bloodwhen Jesus was walking to go
heal Jairus' kid.
She touched him, but she saidit to herself.
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She purposed in her heart thathey, if I touch him, I'll be
healed, and power left himimmediately and she was healed.
Now when he says who touched me,I believe that he already knew
who touched.
He just a lot of times wassaying things to teach a lesson
during that moment, but there'struth to that.
That power left him and I think, in my opinion this is just my
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opinion I think God has calledus, as believers, to walk in
power, but I think mostbelievers do not walk in power.
I think most believers justsettle and live in comfort, and
there's no power in comfort andthings shouldn't be about us.
It should be about other people.
So being able to learn and tapin and jump into power, I think
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that's what we're called to doand I'm going to give you an
example, if you don't mind me.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
No, please.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Okay, let me share a story.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
This is what it's about.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
It's a story that I'll never forget.
So years, years, years ago, myvery first business, I had an
appraisal business and this wasbefore, like all the cool phones
with the app and all that.
But way back in the day, and Iremember, I bought it.
You remember the PDAs.
You may have been too young, Ihad a PDA.
So basically, like it's kind oflike a phone where I could go
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out during the inspection, I canput everything down, click on,
click on.
I would hook it up to mycomputer.
When I get back it would loadall the data and it would save
me from manually loading thedata, right.
So it was super cool and I usedto do that and all of a sudden
it just stopped working, justtotally stopped working.
And it wasn't cheap.
They were probably $300 at thetime.
And you know, I was frustratedA year later.
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I don't know what I was doing.
I was probably driving, but forwhatever reason, I thought about
that and I was like, oh man, Iwonder if, like you know,
sometimes you have an outletwhere it has to be, the switch
has to be turned on.
Yeah, and I was thinking tomyself I wonder if it was
plugged in.
I I get to myself, I wonder ifit was plugged in.
I don't even know why I thoughtof it.
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I wonder if it was plugged intoan outlet where the switch
wasn't even turned on, what?
So I remember getting home andI'm like looking all over the
house for it.
I find it.
I didn't throw it away, plug itinto a thing, turn on the
switch.
I wait an hour and and thelesson here's the lesson I
learned two things.
One, as a christian, if youdon't have power in your life,
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maybe you're either not pluggedin or maybe you are plugged in
but the switch isn't on.
You know what I mean?
The switch has to be on.
You got to be plugged in, gotto be plugged into the spirit,
but the switch has to be on andthere's.
There is some truth to thepower that we're walking in, and
it's not just a word, it'sactual power and and everything.
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There's a vibration toeverything and I just believe
that the higher a person canvibrate on a consistent basis, I
think, the more power thatperson's going to be able to
have.
Now, I haven't figured all thatpart out yet, but that's just
kind of what I see and what Iread and what I believe.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
So yeah, I mean, it got us talking to, about even in
business, where you know andAlex Ramosi had talked about
this um, this point of as abusiness owner, you go through
these long periods of time ofjust like grinding, putting in
the day in, day out, but thenthere's a couple of times where
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you hit the home run.
And he shared this story ofthese two guys that had this
business.
They were struggling,struggling to make payroll,
struggling to just make endsmeet, and then Q1, the following
year, they hit a home run 15mil, 20 mil, 17 mil, like month
after month, and then theydecided hey let's start.
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We can start going on vacations,we can start doing all these
things by the house.
And his recommendation to themwas now is not the time to let
up, but now is the time to puton the gas.
And I think so many times, likewe get, it goes back to
comfortability.
Where we get so comfortablewith man, we're just, we're good
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, like I'm good with what I have, but God hasn't called us to
stop.
Like, if we're living and we'rebreathing, we're called to
continue building, like you'vetalked about, and I think it's
just so powerful to like, thinkabout how, when you're in those
moments and you are in thosequote unquote vibrations, you
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got to press the gas and not letup.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, I, I, I love that story when you were telling
me about that, because Ihaven't heard that before, but I
appreciate it and I believe init.
You know it's interestingbecause I got a couple pieces on
this One.
I think a lot of times, even inus in the church, right, when I
say the church, the body, theentire body, I think a lot of
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times there can be this stigma,especially for business owners
or whatever the case, whereyou're like, oh, it's all about
money, right, or it's all aboutmoney.
Or if you've got a businesswhere you're making millions of
dollars, you know it could belike a bad thing, like, oh,
you're selfish.
I'm not a believer in that atall.
I think that we're called tomultiply everything that hand
touches right A hundred percentand ultimately you can be, you
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know, a great human being and berich, and you can be a crappy
human being and being poor it'sa posture of who you are in your
heart, right, being havingmoney is just a money's just a
tool.
So money's going to magnify whoyou already are.
But with that being said, I'mgoing to, I want to share a
story.
It's probably the most powerfulstory that I've ever witnessed,
and not only witnessed, but Igot to experience it and it's
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something that I constantlythink about.
Probably a week doesn't go bywhere it doesn't pop up.
But I remember one time I was ata men's retreat and we were um,
you know, there's probablyabout 80 people in the room and
it was weird because we're inthis, you know, this room like a
I don't know what the name ofit.
It was like a, it was a bigpark, and then there's like this
room, and it was a pretty coolroom, but the way it sat, you
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had people sitting this way,people sitting that way, the
speaker was over there a couplerows this way.
So I was sitting here watchingthe speaker, but this way way,
there was a pastor who broughtlike 30 of his people from
another state and the preacherthe guy that was speaking is a
very wealthy man, he's abusinessman.
He was bringing up talkingabout money and finances, and I
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could see that the preacher wasgetting very offended.
No one else is paying anyattention, but the way I'm
sitting, I'm right in front ofhim, so I'm watching him get
offended, but I'm also listeningbecause I love this guy and I
love everything that he says.
Right.
So finally about uh, probablyhalfway through, he stood up.
I'm like, oh, it's going to getreal.
And he basically says, hey, Ihave a problem with all of this.
So I'm like everyone's likewhat's going on?
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But I knew this was going tohappen and he basically said it
uh, you know know, the speakersaid what's the problem?
And he said I got a problembecause I make 60 grand a year.
He goes are you talking abouthis money?
He goes I make 60 grand a yearand that's enough for me.
And I'll never forget the wordsout of the speaker's mouth was
that's your problem, it's allabout you.
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And he sat down and he keptgoing.
And this wasn't a thing whereit was like a name.
It claim it.
That's not what it was about,but the gentleman was very
wealthy and he was going throughsome principles from the Bible.
At the very end, the preacherstood back up again and he says
you know, I want to apologize infront of everyone.
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I never looked at it that way.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
And I don't know how many people there actually
remember it For me.
It stayed with me Because,again, money is a tool, but I
think of so many of us,especially Christians.
We get to the point where wethink it's enough for us and if
we have a thought process ofit's enough for us, then,
truthfully, it's just reallyselfish Because it's not about
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us, it's not supposed's notabout us, it's not supposed to
be about us.
If we built everything we builtfor strictly me and my wife,
then what's the point?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Now, my wife and I will be benefactors, obviously,
of what we built, but if that'syour goal, if that's the main
thing, then there's no power inthat so we just we unpacked so
much this morning, so um, butkind of I want to backtrack a
little bit too about, um, thesame story with the woman
touching jesus's dress yeah hewas on his way to heal um
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jerry's, yeah, so the importanceof having a good circle around
you, because what did he do whenhe got there and I think we
unpacked this a little bit too Ihad this little story from this
book that I'm reading, and hewas talking about how one glides
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.
What are they, glidestills?
Glidestills the horses.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Glide stills yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
One by itself can pull 8,000 pounds, two that
haven't been brought up togethercan pull 24,000 pounds.
But then there's if you bringtwo together that have grown up
on a farm and have workedtogether can pull 36,000 pounds.
So you go from one pulling8,000 pounds to being able to
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have 36,000 pounds pulled withtwo that have constantly worked
together and built thatrelationship together.
And it just reminded me also,like, how important your circle
is, who you surround yourselfwith, who's speaking into your
life.
And I think it's just such apowerful thing because even when
you look at that story of Jesus, he kicked people out.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
You know it's such a great story I think I know for
me I missed that for many yearsand I would say that if there
was probably 10 people right nowlistening for many years and I
would say that if there wasprobably 10 people right now
listening, probably nine of themhave missed that.
And if you read the story, whenhe walked into the house the
girl already died.
So everyone was wailing.
Of course, imagine losing yourkid.
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But he said she's sleeping.
Now, at that moment the Biblesays that they ridiculed him.
So I want you to understand,like for one.
Actually, before that he onlybrought three of his disciples
in, so he left other ones out.
Why, I don't know, maybe beliefOnly brought three in.
Then they ridiculed him andwhen they ridiculed him he
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kicked them all out of the house.
He had to put them out of thehouse and then he went and
healed.
And it's just interestingbecause you know, maybe with, uh
, with the negative negativityand the bad energy and the whole
nine yards unbelief, there's no, there's no miracle there.
So he had literally removedthat.
So he had a space where he was,where miracles can happen.
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And I wonder in our life somany times we're like maybe we
really want that miracle tohappen, but maybe there's not a
space for that miracle to beable to take place because of
unbelief or because of who's inthat circle.
So it's super, super important.
It like drilling down andwhatever it is you're trying to
accomplish.
If it seems like it's draggingor it's tearing, maybe ask
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yourself, hey, who's in thecircle?
Who do I need to clean housewith to make sure I have a space
and environment for the miracleto actually happen.
So it's a great point, it's agreat story.
Um, it's just super awesome.
And if you know, if the lorddidn't do the miracle until his
space was cleared, what makes usthink a miracle is going to
happen if our space isn'tcleared?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah, I think it kind of related to back to the whole
vibration thing of like there'ssome people that could be
bringing that down.
Yes, flow and let the HolySpirit lead and do things, when
you just have constantnegativity or constant people
pulling you down or not havingfaith in you, or not even faith
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in you but just having faith inwhat you're doing and that you
are being called to do thatright.
So I mean, if you're trying tobuild, build, build and then you
have all these people inunbelief and not believing in
you, it's tough.
And that brings me to the pointof I did remember Rudy.
You were talking about Rudythis morning, so I want you to
touch on that a little bit,because it kind of goes hand in
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hand with this a little bit.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah, so I have you know, I have.
You know, we all have ourfavorite movies.
Rudy's one of my favorite.
But you know, you have a guywho was in high school, was
short, not very talented, notvery fast, had great heart,
played hard, his grades werehorrible and all of a sudden one
day the light bulb went off andhe wanted to go play at Notre
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Dame.
Now Notre Dame is one of thetop colleges in the country, so
you're dealing with a D1 levelwhere you're dealing with Rudy,
who is a JC at best.
It's 100%.
It's like nine day.
So in reality it's just notgoing to happen ever in any
lifetime.
But he purposed in his heartthat this is where he was going
to go to school.
And it's weird because for meit was like okay, the light went
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on, his vibration 100% changed.
So, whatever the frequency hewas in school was not the
frequency he was when he wasgoing after it.
And now he's going after it andpeople are like you know, even
your own parents don't believein your like telling you all
this stuff.
And he was just like he didn'twant to hear it, he didn't
listen.
He's like I'm going to do this,I'm going to do this, I'm going
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to do this.
He did it, he did it, he did it.
He kept getting rejected andultimately, you know, know, the
rest is history he was able toget in, he was able to make it
on the team and he was able toget on the field and he, to this
day, was the last person 2025,right now, he was the last
person that's ever been carriedoff the field.
Um, at Notre Dame Stadium.
Wow, so it's just amazing.
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He was able to accomplish that.
Um.
Now there's a movie about him.
Um, because, in my opinion, inmy belief that he not only
purposed in his heart, but hechanged.
You know, he changes his.
You know, he changed his wholethought process.
He changed his um vibration.
You know, you can imagine the,the difference in the.
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You know it.
Here's what I think of it.
I think think of it like thisLike you, have you been on an
airplane before?
Yeah, okay.
Have you ever been on acommercial airplane?
Yes, okay.
So, like there's really threetypes of planes, right, so you
have a commercial.
That's here.
So, below that, you kind ofhave the.
You know the Cessnas.
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Have you ever been on a Cessna?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
No.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Okay, and then you have the Cessnas here, then you
got the commercials, that kindof fly here.
I think they're like 35,000,37,000 feet, okay, like in the
air, in the air.
And then above that you have aprivate jet.
Have you ever been on a privatejet?
No, okay, super cool, I've beenable to do that.
But they fly at a higher.
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You don't think men and womenoperate at different levels of
frequency.
You know what I mean.
So it's just interesting.
It's interesting, and I'm surethat there's things that change
that.
Right, what are you focusing on?
What are you doing?
What are you believing?
Jesus said if you believe, ifyou truly believe, you can say
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to the mountain be cast into thesea or to the tree be uprooted,
like, and you just think aboutthat, like, how can that be?
Like, sometimes we pray forsomething so small and it
doesn't even happen.
And the Lord says if youbelieve, that would happen,
we're like what?
You know what I mean.
So I just think that, like youknow, obviously there's
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something to it and being ableto operate in that type of a
space where you're plugged inand the switch is on, so there's
power going through, not somuch for us, but so we can go
out and empower and impact thepeople that are around us.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, there's a couple of things that come to my
mind and then we can kind ofwrap this up.
But first thing is Rudy, right,like a lot of people didn't
believe in him, and I think alot of times as business owners
it can be pretty lonely, likeyou have people not believing in
you.
You're the leader, soeverything falls on you, you're
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having to deal with everythingand obviously we lean on the
Lord and things like that.
But I'm just curious on yourtake as far as, like, how to
manage that as a business owner,as a leader, anybody leading a
team, because leadership ingeneral can feel lonely, right.
So just curious your take onkind of how to manage maybe
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somebody that's feeling lonelyin leadership or a business
owner.
Like, what is your take on that?
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, actually it's a really good question, right?
I would kind of break it down.
I would say I always say youremember why you're doing it.
So it all starts with the why.
So why are you doing it?
So, as an example, if you'rebuilding a business, to fill in
the blank, you got to rememberwhy you're doing it, because
there's going to be times whereyou feel like you're alone, you
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feel like quitting, you feellike throwing in the towel,
you're like why am I working allthese hours?
Why you know I'm running out ofmoney, I'm doing all of this
stuff.
You got to remember the why,right?
So I, when you truly do that,and if you need help, write it
down, print it out and put itall over the house, right?
Speaker 1 (30:33):
so that way you see it Contact Coach Martin or
contact Coach Martin.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Put somebody around you that can pour that into you.
But it's great to havereminders of why you're doing it
.
So as long as you can rememberwhy.
Now here's a little caveat.
So if your why's not big enough, then, yeah, once the tough
times come, you're going to quit.
So you want to have a big why.
But if you have a big why, thenit's more than just you.
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If it's only about you and I,it's going to be so much easier
to quit when the things gettough.
But if I'm doing it because offill in the blank or if I'm
doing it because I you know mywife and I truly want to impact
everyone that we come around, oras many people as we we can, if
I truly believe that you knowwhat I mean if I want to be the
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guy where you know we're at.
We're at a restaurant and youknow the waitress is sad and I
find out that she can't evenmake rent.
She's a single mother you knowwhat I mean.
And we want to be the peoplethat can like hey, what if we
paid your rent for the year?
You know what I mean.
Not because of us, because hetold us to do this for you.
Like if I truly believe in thaton my heart, it's going to be
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easier to get through those hardtimes.
You know, what I mean, becausethen it's no longer about us,
it's about others.
And I think, dylan, ultimatelyit's all about others.
Like, even if you look at itfrom a marriage standpoint, it's
not about me in a marriage,it's not even about my wife in a
marriage.
It's about us teaming up toimpact and influence.
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You know, god's people.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, no, I think it's so powerful to have a why.
I think that's what everybusiness owner needs to have,
because if you don't have a why,you're going to just quit,
you're going to give up.
And I think, as you're buildingteams, carrying that why over
to your team and everyonedriving the same mission is so
important.
I know we were kind of talkinga little bit about that this
morning too, of like creating amission statement, a vision
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statement, core values, becauseas the team gets bigger, it is
easier to lose sight of what theultimate vision and the goal is
from what you originallystarted it for.
So I think having everyonemoving in the same direction,
towards the same goal, is soimportant, and that's something
we're really working on in thesalon right now is hey, let's
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get a mission statement together, let's get a vision statement
together, get our core valuestogether, so everyone's working
towards the same goal, in thesame mission and towards the
same why?
Because, at the end of the day,it's all going to impact God's
kingdom.
So last little gold nugget thatI want to just touch on, that
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we talked about today.
It's literally about gold.
Just touch on that we talkedabout today.
It's literally about gold.
I know that we have talkedabout this before of.
During the gold rush, the minerswere not the ones that made a
majority of the money.
Most miners went bankrupt.
Most miners lost everything,but the people that actually did
really well were the onesselling the stuff to the miners.
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So, on the shovels, the stuffto the miners, selling the
shovels, selling the equipmentand I know that kind of spoke to
you a little bit and you dovein on that a little bit.
I don't know if you rememberexactly what you dove in on, but
I think that's something that'salways stuck with me and I
don't even remember where Iheard it, but it was just
something that popped out to meand I felt like it did a little
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bit to you as well and I just,if you have anything to share on
that, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I would say that and I don't even remember, I don't
even know if I talked about thisearlier, but this is how I
would see it, because there's100% truth to that right.
When you look at the peoplethat were providing the tools
for the people that were digging, they actually did better.
There was fewer of them andthey did better.
But I think, you know, in myopinion, you know, I think the
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reason that is so, think aboutthe principle behind it.
The principle behind it is thepeople that were digging.
They were digging for the mostpart, they were going and
digging for themselves.
Now I'm not saying there'snothing wrong with what they
were doing.
In a sense, some of them couldhave been doing it for other
reasons, but the people thatwere providing tools, they were
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providing value to the peoplethat were fill in the blank,
because it doesn't matter ifyou're digging or whatever.
They were providing value tothe people.
And the way God has a principlethat he set up is profit always
follows value.
And the way God has a principlethat he set up is profit always
follows value.
So if you focus on value and alot of new entrepreneurs get
this wrong, a lot, a lot ofpeople get this wrong they focus
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on money.
They focus on the money.
They focus on the money.
They focus on the money.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
It's a wrong principle.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
It's a wrong principle.
You focus on value, you be avalue provider, right, and then
ultimately, profit follows value.
So I think they tapped into aprinciple that God created and
therefore they were able tocapitalize on it.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah, miners were the get rich quick, you know, and
the ones selling the equipmentwere the ones coming out
consistently selling, putting inthe work.
And I think it just goes toshow like, as a business owner,
this isn't going to happenovernight, like you have to put
in the work, nothing's going tohappen overnight.
And I think even like withsports box right Like sometimes
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you'll have business owners thatwill come in and like, expect
something overnight and it'slike no, you have to put in the
work, and I think so much inlife people are like that, where
they're just like I just wantit now.
And it's like some likeChick-fil-A has been around 78
years, so it's like it's beenyears.
Subway has been around 40something years.
(36:09):
This doesn't happen overnight.
If you want a big, successfulbusiness that's driving God's
kingdom forward, it's not goingto happen overnight.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I agree, Dylan, I do.
I think a lot of times.
I'm going to just go as aChristian you know business
owner or a Christian man orwoman that's looking to earn
income.
I'm going to be talking more toyou, but I think what happens
is we don't truly understand howit works.
So, you know, we see peoplethat have something nice or like
(36:38):
dang, it'd be really nice to beable to have that.
But we don't understand thefoundational piece behind it,
where you have to be built up asan individual first.
So while you're building yourbusiness and you're doing all
those things and you're goingthrough ups and downs, you're
being prepared.
So you're being prepared as youdo it.
You know what I mean.
And if, without thatpreparation, you're never going
(36:59):
to be able to accomplish whatyou're trying to accomplish.
So there there's kind of liketwo sides of the coin.
There's a side of the coinwhere, um, you know working
works, where we see it working.
But the other side of the coinis more valuable.
The work you may not see itworking for you, but it's
working on you and that's way,way, way more valuable.
(37:22):
And a lot of times we don't see.
Because we don't see this sideof the coin, we give up.
Well, this side of the coin isreally I don't want to say
irrelevant, but it's not asimportant.
The developmental piece on ourend is a sustainable piece, and
that's what God develops usduring that process, so that way
, when we're ready, we're ableto earn it and keep it.
Otherwise, you're going to belike a person that wins a lotto
(37:44):
and they're bankrupt in fiveyears, and I would kind of end
it this way.
On that, if God didn't want youto go through the process which
he 100% did he put the gold inthe ground, in the garden.
So the gold was in the garden,in the ground.
Why didn't he put the gold onthe very top?
There was no economy, there wasno stores.
He put it in the ground.
(38:04):
So, even then, he did it for areason because we have to go
through the process to getstraightened.
Reason because we have to gothrough the process to get
straightened.
If you and I go to the gymcause we're like we want to get
big arms for the summer, likeyou, don't you don't lighten the
load you got to, you know, rackit up and it's going to hurt
and it's.
But what happens is the processthat God created works, even in
(38:25):
the gym.
So while we're doing it, ourarms will grow and we'll get
stronger.
This is no different.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah, man, what a fantastic conversation.
I just appreciate these talksthat we have and I'm going to
try and start bringing what wetalked you know working together
into this podcast.
Now people know where to findme, but, as a new co-host and
being on the show, where canpeople find and learn more about
(38:50):
you and what you're doing?
And just so they can connectwith us and really get to know
us?
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah, I appreciate it .
Now you can go to my website.
Go to kingdom10xcom orkingdom10xcoachcom, find out a
little bit more about who I am,what I do and, if you've got
questions or if you'restruggling in an area, reach out
.
We'd love to be able to helpyou.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yeah, absolutely yeah .
Well, until next week and ournext conversation and next topic
that we just talk about in theoffice, we will see you guys,
see you later.
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