June 2, 2025 • 31 mins
My absolute favorite episode to date- a very interesting and entertaining dance down New Orleans streets with another girl gang leader, famous for her red hair and fiery temper.
Recommendations:
Book https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/113292.The_French_Quarter
Sources & Reference Material:
https://murderpedia.org/female.J/j/jackson-mary-jane.htm
http://www.authorstevewillard.com/Bricktop.html
https://wanderwomenproject.com/the-bad-bitches-of-new-orleans/
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Sherlock Holmes once said when you have eliminated the
impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the
truth. But what if the truth isn't just
improbable? What if it's horrifying?
What if it's something so baffling that our minds can't
accept it? What if it's because our senses
can't confirm it or it makes ourvery soul shudder from
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committing such depraved act? In this podcast, we'll journey
through haunted history, metaphysical happenings,
unexplained disappearances, and unconventional murders.
Events that challenge everythingyou thought you knew.
And sometimes we'll uncover the truth, but perhaps not in the
way that you were hoping. I'm Jen.
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And I'm Lou, and this is the haunting truth where facts blur
into the unknown and what remains after we question
everything might just shake us to our core.
Listener discretion advised. This show is for entertainment
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purposes only and may contain material not suitable for all
audiences. Listener discretion advised.
Welcome seekers, this is Wu and with me this week, as always, is
Jazzy Jen and we are going to behonoring International Women's
Day by covering a very interesting woman who broke
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glass ceilings and other things in her own way and in her own
time. We're also covering a town that
I love to visit and I will actually be there next week.
New Orleans, Not New Orleans, not New Orleans, New Orleans
accordingly that I've been schooled.
That is the correct way to to say it.
And if anybody wants to challenge that, please drop a
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note and let us know what is thecorrect way to say it.
And I also want to do a really quick shout out to my husband
who found this gem for me and I when he was telling me about it,
I was truly, truly shocked that I had never heard of this woman
before. So tell me Jenny, have you ever
heard of Mary Jane Jackson AKA Bricked Up?
I have not, which I'm kind of shocked about because between
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the various history podcasts andjust general like murder your
husband kind of vibe that I watch all the time, I've never
heard of this particular person.I did not either and I have been
invested in this for quite some time, as you know.
So I was really, really surprised and honestly, I have
torn feelings because she's a horrible person, but I also get
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behind some of the things that she does.
So I like, I kind of feel torn one way or another.
But let me let me tell you how, how, how it all about right.
So let's get into Let me tell you about the scourge of
Gallantin St. OH.
That's spicy. She's the scourge.
She's the scourge when it gets better, her descriptions like I
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cannot even write these better myself if I was needing myself a
nickname. But before we get into Mary
Jane, we've got to get into New Orleans.
At the time, mid 1800s. And as you know, New Orleans is
a port city, major trade hub andits location, you know, just
directly across the Mississippi River made it.
It's a melting pot of cultures. You have French, Spanish,
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African American, the architecture is beautiful,
reflected that diversity. You have French Creole
townhouses, courtyards. I'm not an architect, but I feel
like I talk about architecture alot.
American style mansions. Also very lively social scene as
evidenced in my favorite Disney movie of all time.
Princess and the Frog was set into the New Orleans.
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So anyway, theatres, opera houses, Mardi Gras music, you
know, jazz, particularly the Annotate group around this time.
So lots of exciting and cool things happening in New Orleans,
but it wasn't without its challenges.
It was still dealing with slavery, was very deeply
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entrenched in the institution ofslavery.
And obviously those lives were marked by hardship and
oppression and sanitation duringNew Orleans during the mid
1800s. Well, there's notoriously poor.
Oh, I feel like there's a theme.Right again, throwback to fork
Delaware. We're in the same time frame,
right? And unfortunately New Orleans is
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not on its own little island where you can just dump it off
the side and re drink it if so choose to.
But it was next to the river. They basically did the same
thing. They had to go dump it in the
river. It would flood all the time.
Led to a lot of stagnant water pulling in the streets, you
know, in stagnant water brings mosquitoes and yellow fever and
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cholera, which was frequent and devastating throughout that.
And you know, as we talked about, the waste was like out in
the river. It was in the ditches.
I mean, and I have a feeling that more than a few people just
dumped it right in the street inthat stagnant water.
Like if water's already there, let's, let's just keep going.
So sanitation wasn't wasn't the best back then.
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Yes, yeah, sounds like it. It sounds like everybody pretty
much did the same thing back then, which I don't know if it
happened here, but for the longest time men walked on the
actual inside of the street. And the reason was and why they
had the specific hats during those time is so if that
somebody dumped her chamber pot out of the window and the woman
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had parasols so it would not geton them.
That is correct. So yeah, so I feel like back in
that time you had the slop that would be coming up from the
streets like you got your wagon wheels, like they, the men would
walk on the inside by the street.
So in case, you know, there was some kind of rogue horse thief
or whatever, he decided to run him off the road or slash, he
would take the hit as opposed tohis woman.
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However, as the woman, if you'rewalking on the inside, you're
more than likely going to get dumped from the chamber pots
above your head, so. Get a parasol.
You need a parasol, yes. Which I I what we need to bring
them back. I love parasols.
Parasol. Absolutely.
I absolutely would. So OK so we talked about Mary
Jane and some of her fun nicknames.
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Now this is the best descriptionI've ever heard of my life and I
feel like if this was on my gravestone I would die a happy
one. Miss Mary Jane Jackson was a
Husky full bodied trumpet whose mop of flaming red hair had
earned her the Super K of brick top, a Husky full bodied
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strumpet with flaming red hair. I'm going to park that and you
can just. Marinate on it, can you?
Think on that in a minute. Should I pass away before you?
Can you please describe me that in my epithet?
That would be great. I don't even care if it's not
true, I just want it all there. That's fine.
Okay, so okay, so this kind of sets the tone of what and who
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Mary Jane is, right? So she was born in 1836 and she
lived in Gallantine St. which isnow like the French marketplace.
If you've ever been in New Orleans, you know where it is
right there now, during that time, that area was the poor
side of the city, right? Had the most dangerous
criminals, prostitutes, St. gangs, they're right on the
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port. They can rob and steal and, you
know, and do all those kind of things.
And this is what she grew up in.So throwback, right, New Orleans
is it's got a lot of new things happening, but it's dirty
through bad sanitation. There's slavery.
There's most definitely that break between, you know, rich
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folks on the hill and people that are struggling to survive.
And she is in the street where all of the key gangs and
prostitutes and things are right.
So kind of shows you kind of what she grew up in and that
might shine a light kind of on on how she became who and what
she was and and had some of those rumors behind her.
But Can you imagine being 13, growing up around this, seeing
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all these people and then becoming a prostitute at 13 to
survive to these people in this time, in this?
Era absolutely not like that wouldn't even I was, I was busy
just trying to climb trees at that age.
I was not trying to be a prostitute and like put my stamp
on a really bad part of town just to get to survive at that
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point, so. This is survival at at its, its
utmost right. And I I know she's not unique in
that. That's happened across the US.
Especially during this time, yeah.
But for now, I mean that that's what it was.
So that was 13. She became a prostitute.
By the time she was 14 she had suckered in a local saloon owner
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and become his full mistress andstayed with him for about 3
years. So she had found some stability
for a while living with that before it ended up going South.
So our dear gentleman who had picked up his 14 year old
prostitute and turned her into his mistress decided he wanted
to leave her. For why we don't know.
Maybe she was too old, I don't know.
Maybe she was out of that range.That's disgusting when I hear 14
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year old, three years, 17. Yeah, he.
Was the local saloon owner, so you know, he's not super, super
young, so he had to have been a little bit, you know, and then
he's with him. Whenever I think of a saloon
owner, I just think of like a bald, chubby, red faced
gentleman. We've just insulted half our
audience for a local saloon owners.
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No, that's fine, I did. But back then, you know, you
think. That's kind of what you think of
when you think of like all the Westerns.
It's usually some guy who. It is an older guy and he's got
like the the arm sleeves with like the bands on them.
Yes, yes, yeah, I know what you're talking about.
That's what. I'm thinking of, and I'm sorry
if this is just all like for allof our.
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Local saloon owners, which I don't even think they call them
saloons anymore, but if there isa saloon, what is the difference
between a saloon and a bar? Do we know?
I think it's the prostitution upstairs do.
You think so? I'm going to look it up.
But anyway, because we don't have any local saloon owners, so
if you're offended, sorry, but you're not a saloon owner unless
you have prostitute going on upstairs.
But we won't talk. I could be.
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I could be wrong about that, andI'm sorry that Hollywood has
made you into this kind of. Character.
It's OK, but in any case, so we're moving on, right?
So he decides he wants to get rid of her because she's too
old, horrendous, whatever. And she retaliated by attacking
him, leaving him with a broken nose.
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All right. A missing ear.
It didn't even have BBQ sauce onit.
Like a Vander Holyfield and Tyson and half his face.
What? Yeah, she took.
Girl was not playing. She's like, you really make
fine. I want half.
She took half. Half his face.
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Oh my Lord. OK, sorry.
So this, this is where our girl is at 17.
She's ripping people's faces off.
So this started her ferocious reputation.
And by 1850 it was so bad that even the top gang in the city,
the Live Oak Gangsters, went outof their way to avoid her.
Because they like their face. They're like, this lady is just
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nuts, just leave her Bay, it's fine, whatever.
But it said she's never lost a fight.
She killed 4 men and permanentlymaimed an untold number of
others. OK.
And I'm going to give you an example of kind of like her St.
smarts and her penchant for violence.
So one day she's in a bar and she's talking to this 7 foot
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tall man named Longley. And I swear I'm not making these
things up. These are the ones.
His name is Longley. She made my bet that he would
fall forward if she stabbed him and he laughed.
I'm going to assume because 1, he thought she was full of shit
and oh sorry, language full of poo, and two, because he's like,
obviously if you're going to stab me, I'm going to fall
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backwards. So what did she do?
She stabbed him in the groin, ofwhich you're going to fold over
and fell forward. OK, so this this obviously she
won the bet, she obviously. Won the bet, you know.
OK, so he didn't die. He was just an example of a
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joke. But I'll tell you about her
first murder. So her first known murder was in
1856. And I'm going to ask you, do you
know can, can you hazard a guessas to why she killed him?
Well, is it a bet? I mean, we're, we're, I'm going
to sticking with a theme here. It it might have been a bet if
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his friend said, hey, I bet you won't go up and say this to her
face. Oh my God, what are we in like
fifth grade? I'll bet you because he called
her something that she didn't like.
I'm going to say it's a 5 letterword.
Starts with WN, means Lady of the night.
Oh, OK. Person to her face.
Oh, which she did not like beingtalked to in that town or that
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word, so she killed him. Oh, so she was just like, no,
no, you know, it's like Monopolydon't, don't pass, you know,
jail don't collect $200. Even though she was one and he
wasn't lying, she didn't like. It.
I mean, you're not going to say that to me.
Yeah. So this he was.
Spin fast, yeah. I mean, so this is a lady that
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she wasn't putting up with a whole lot of stuff.
Now she is got gangster like andI don't know why they call
themselves alive. They're gangsters.
I mean, I feel like there's a better name than that.
But the 1800s, maybe they weren't that crazy.
Stealing barrels? I don't know but.
Yeah, I don't know. So we went through kind of like
her background, what she came upfrom, where she's at.
And at this this time she was what, 1856?
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When was she born? 1836.
So she's 20. She killed her first person at
20 years old because he said a name that she didn't like.
I feel like this is some seriousness.
So that kind of shows you kind of her anger.
So we're going to take a break real great.
And when we get back, I'm going to tell you about a key event
that kind of influenced the restof her life.
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Because, I mean, it's been a Peach since, you know, like.
In the beginning something. 1st 20 years, you know she's
checking off boxes. And making no bones about it.
No, not at. All all right.
We'll be back very shortly. Yeah, right back.
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All right, so we talked about Miss Bricked up growing up where
she was at, kind of where she isat 20 years old in life.
So there, you know, the events just keep on going.
So on November 7th 1859. So what is that three years
later? So now she's 23, she's legal I
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guess. Brick Top and her bevy of
beauties. Yes, our lovely lady had formed
a girl gang out there and her lead in the girl gangs, her name
was Bridget Fury. Oh, that's all.
Is that not the best name ever? I this is I'm going to do a
whole other podcast on her if I can find enough information on
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Bridget Fury because apparently she's just as crazy.
Over this is. Brick Top.
So, so brick top. And Bridget Fury and her bevy of
beauties, her girl gang are at abar and they happen to sit next
to a gentleman in air quotes Gentleman in air quotes shallows
named Laurent Flurry. Who dared, yes, he dared to
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complain about the lady's foul language.
So let me guess. Do you want to guess?
OK, I want to guess. I do want to guess.
So I'm going to say that either she cut off his something like
an ear or a finger or something.Fingers, faces, groins.
Like, yeah. I mean, she has like an MO, so
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I'm going to say she like cut off an ear or an appendage of
some kind. She's really like that kind of
stuff. You you think, but in this
particular case, brick top was feeling a little merciful, so
she gave the gentleman a break and she was like, look, I'm
going to give you a warning shutyour mouth, mind your biz or I'm
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going to cut your heart out. So she gave a pass for a minute,
all right, but obviously this dude lived under a rock, didn't
know who she was or what she wasabout or that she meant what she
said. So he commenced to walk over to
the table and slap her. Yeah, chivalry was not dead,
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folks. We are still there.
I'm just kidding. That is super sarcastic.
But yes, this smart, smart man decided to go ahead and slap
her. So Chaos Bar fights on.
All of the girl gangs pull all of their own individual knives
and jump the dude that dared to slap Mary Jane Bricktop.
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Now Mary Jane Bricktop. I'm going to talk about her
knife right now. Not only is she so great at
everything that she does, this villainous After My Own heart
had her own weapon designed and there's a picture of it in the
resource notes. It was a knife.
It had a 5 inch blade on either side of a German silver grip.
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So she's out there like with a various small rendition of what
was it Darth Maul's like Double edged staff from like Star Wars.
And then when you're saying thatit had a German grip, so it
means that there's like there's a handle in the middle of it and
it basically has almost brass knuckles because if you hit a
blade on either side and you don't have stability, it'll move
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your hand forward and it'll slice it if you go either way.
So they used to have brass knuckles originally were not
designed for brass knuckles thatwe have today.
They were designed to hold on tothe knife so you didn't slice
your hand open when you stabbed somebody.
Correct. And thank you for breaking out
what the German grip means. So, yeah, so she had this
specialty blade made for her. She kept it in the bodice of her
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dress, and she used it when she had to.
Right? Like, this is a perfect example.
Guy's going to slap her in the face.
She's bringing out a knife. So anyway, so there's this all
this chaos going on. A bar employee comes out, he
pulls a gun. He like, fires into the ceiling
to let everybody know that he means business or whatever.
But our lovely ladies say, oh, no, Sir.
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And they start attacking him with bricks because they want to
hear what he has to say. They're not taking that
mansplaining from the gun. No, no, no, you're going to
listen. So he probably leaves.
Of course he does. Because now you got a room full
of crazy, crazy women and weapons and all kinds of stuff
going on. Eventually the police come. the
Super smart guy that decided to go ahead and start up with these
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ladies is dead on the floor and his pockets are cut out in his
pockets because, you know, why not?
Yeah. So one of those pockets was
later found under brick top skirt and became evidence
against her in the murder trial.I would be like, I don't know
what you're talking about. You see, there was a huge melee.
Things just got shuffled. Around so, so, yeah, so our our
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brick top, who was heavily put upon for being told that she was
talking too loudly. And ladies, which of us has ever
not been told that we've been talking too loudly and then
proceed to get slapped in the middle of a public forum to
which her and her friends come to her defence, Right?
And now she goes to jail. I don't know that this is fair
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or not fair. I'm just looking at both sides
of the story now. All is not lost for our poor
brick top, because even though she's in prison awaiting trial,
what do you think she finds there?
I'm going to let you guess. What do you think she finds in
prison? Another gang.
Close. Very, very close, actually.
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Not only put in context, No, shefound love.
Oh. OK, so she found love with her
prison guard, a gentleman named John Miller.
Who doesn't want a woman who candefend herself?
I I swear to you, I am not making this out.
True life is so much better thanfiction.
And this is probably my funnest episode that I think I've ever
done. So, yeah.
So she is in love with Mr. John Miller.
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And it gets better. So he's his own interesting
character besides being corrupt and sucker for a redhead.
Which OK, we all know men who are sucker for redheads.
He was also proud of bar fights,as was his lady.
I don't know if they they did that on match.com.
I don't know if that's a question where they get like
epharmony. They'd like meet you up.
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Do you like bar fights? I also like bar fights.
Anyway, one of these bar sites bar fights resulted in him
losing an arm. So instead of being depressed
and sad about that, he decided to go full Tarantino and had a
ball and chain of iron attached to his stump.
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Oh, that sounds This is her. Her perfect match.
Right, These guys are the best. So these two brilliant
characters catch a break, right?So Brick Top ends up beating her
murder charge because the coroner couldn't determine A
cause of death. Somebody definitely bribed him.
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I don't know where this is coming from.
I don't know. But all I know is what's on
record. And yeah, so because he couldn't
determine a specific cause of death, her lawyer, of course,
ran with that and made it, you know, a case of reasonable
doubt, you know, maybe around heart failure.
So she was let go, and her and her prison guard, Iron Ball and
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Chain Armament Love hit the streets.
So this time, to make money, instead of turning tricks
because she was a prostitute, she was a starfit.
She'd lured the tricks into an alley where her new boyfriend
would go ahead and beat them with his maze.
Arm and and rob them I'm assuming.
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And rob them. Romance is dead right?
She brought them back and says you get them, you get them John
and beat them down. But alas, nothing lasts forever,
even as much as we are cheering these guys along 'cause they
seem like they belong together. And Miller was kind of dumb.
And unlike Fury, who should haveknown what was going to happen
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and didn't, Yeah, yeah. So Fury didn't know her, but
Miller should have known what was going to happen.
But he decided to just forget that and came home with a grand
idea one day of trying to whip top his woman into submission.
No, that's not a good idea 'cause she'll cut you.
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Like, he knows her, he's been a part of her for a long time, and
all of a sudden he's got this sense that he's going to get her
under control. All right, we'll see how that
goes. Let me tell you about what
happens there. So he grabs a whip and he goes
to actually like deliver a blow to Miss Brichta.
And Miss Brichta, our Husky fullfigured female commenced her
modern rights Act women, her modern women's right activist
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stance and said no Sir, I don't think so.
And grabbed his arm and stopped him and then grabbed the whip
and beat him with it and. Then.
When he decided, just like, you know what, I'm going to use my
super robotic Mace arm. She grabbed the ball in mid air,
dragged him around the room by it while still beating him with
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the whip that she grabbed out ofthe other arm.
Yeah. OK, So this guy is in a corner.
I can only imagine. Like this woman.
He decides, you know what? I'm on with my brilliant ideas
today. Let me just keep on going.
So he pulls a knife. What do you want to think
happened without? I am assuming this is 3 out of
three out of three. Yeah.
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I feel like she, I feel like shekilled him after this.
She did, but before she did thatshe grabbed it by his arm and
bit it until he dropped it and then used the same knife he
pulled on her to finish the job.Oh, OK.
All right. Wow.
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So now, yeah. So now we've got 2 dudes she's
killed and this one, this the murder option stuck on this one.
She really couldn't get away from it so.
She's she's not getting out of this one.
She she didn't get out of this one.
She wasn't feeling any kind of remorse at all.
It's pretty clear. So she got sentenced to 10 years
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in the state prison. Now, this is still less than
horse thievery. This is less than horse
thievery, apparently. But yeah, 10 years for the I, I,
I don't even know what they tookinto account there.
However, what I'll say is this, it was bricked up.
While she may not have had the best of luck when she was young,
she ended up getting some betterluck as she got older.
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And this is the time of the Civil War.
So we had a General George Shepley, who was dispatched as
part of the Union's campaign to capture New Orleans, become the
military governor of New Orleansin 1862.
So at that point in time, he issued blanket pardons and
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basically emptied the prisons. And then Our Fair Lady, having
served around nine months of a 10 year sentence for the two
murders that she was known to do, plus the countless others to
get caught from, quickly hooked it out of there.
Now, when we come back from the break, I'll tell you what
happened to her after that. OK.
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All right. Sounds good.
OK, so worked up. Our lovely lady has escaped
prison and she hooked out of town and we don't know what
happened to her today. She was never seen again.
There are no public records, there are nothing from her.
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Her leaving gone in the wind. So do we think she probably
changed her name, changed everything about herself and
then just. Started over fresh possible, but
we we really don't know. I mean, I've heard it said
before that going to prison justmakes you a better criminal.
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So maybe she learned how to to do that upon her, upon her way,
but we really, really won't know.
So that is the haunting truth isthat we're really not going to
know what happened to our fearsome, fiery female gang
leader, serial killer, strumpet robber Jill of all trades.
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I don't, we don't know. Did she change her ways?
Did she need a tragic end? Or did she go gently into that
good night as an old grandmother, rocking on her
porch, having repented for her ways over time?
Yeah, I highly doubt that one, but maybe, I mean, stranger
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things can happen. Maybe that is the case.
Or she just, as you said, she boarded a ship and she just
worked her way. Around, I feel like that's the
same thing that they said that Daffy Lalore did, right?
Well, she left town and went back overseas somewhere.
So maybe maybe this is what our our lovely Brooktop did.
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So we don't know what happened. But what I do know and what we
know is New Orleans is full of history, beauty, music, great
food. I highly recommend going and you
can walk brick top steps today, you know, down Gallatin St.
which is now like the French market.
And on the way you stop at Cafe du Monde for a beignet and
coffee at Cafe Ole in hit Jackson Square for some love
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art, great artist out there. I've got a few things from there
I'm going to. I'm looking forward to going
back and getting some more. But, you know, as in every big
city, stay wary. The sanitation is better now
than the 1800s. There's still some concerns, but
it's still better than where it was before.
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But crime is still rampant. You know, you can't have a
beautiful rose without some thorns.
Just ask Lady Brook Top. So Jen, before we close out, any
thoughts, comments, concerns, questions, anything else that
you want to hear about Miss MaryJane that I can I can answer for
you. I don't.
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I think you covered everything. I just, you know, I always like
to have everything kind of tied up with a nice little bow at the
very end. But I like the mystery of the
fact that you don't really know what happened to her.
You don't know where she ended up.
Like she could actually be some famous woman gang from another
location. She moved over to another
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country so you never know what hijink she got into because
between her fiery temper and herpension for violence, I highly
doubt that she stayed under the radar.
Yeah, she either went into her whole nother identity or met
some foul play or died accident or something of some kind.
Yeah, I can't imagine this lady having that quiet of a presence
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until then. But you do not.
She. She might have matured a lot in
that nine months that she was inprison.
I don't know. Maybe she went to Eastern State
and just shocked her into reformation.
I don't know. But, you know, thank you for
joining us into this journey into the life of my new
favorite, Strumpet. I love the words Strumpet Mary
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Jane bricked up. If you enjoy it, don't forget to
like the episode. Leave a review and let us know
your thoughts like what what happened to her?
What do you think happened to Miss Mary Jane?
And then stay tuned for our nextepisode where Jen will be
covering another great location.If it's not a person full of
history and mystery. So until then, seekers stay
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curious and. Don't drink the water.
And Eastern state was covering yellow fever and mosquitoes back
there too. So just don't drink the water
for a while. I'm thinking.
Yeah, just for a while. All right, until next week's
seekers. Have a great one.
I'll see ya. Bye bye.
Sherlock Holmes once said when you have eliminated the
impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the
truth. But what if the truth isn't just
improbable? What if it's horrifying?
What if it's something so baffling that our minds can't
accept it? What if it's because our senses
can't confirm it or it makes ourvery soul shudder from
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committing such depraved act? In this podcast, we'll journey
through haunted history, metaphysical happenings,
unexplained disappearances, and unconventional murders.
Events that challenge everythingyou thought you knew.
And sometimes we'll uncover the truth, but perhaps not in the
way that you were hoping. I'm Jen.
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And I'm Lou, and this is the haunting truth where facts blur
into the unknown and what remains after we question
everything might just shake us to our core.
Listener discretion advised. This show is for entertainment
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audiences. Listener discretion advised.
Welcome seekers, this is Wu and with me this week, as always, is
Jazzy Jen and we are going to behonoring International Women's
Day by covering a very interesting woman who broke
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glass ceilings and other things in her own way and in her own
time. We're also covering a town that
I love to visit and I will actually be there next week.
New Orleans, Not New Orleans, not New Orleans, New Orleans
accordingly that I've been schooled.
That is the correct way to to say it.
And if anybody wants to challenge that, please drop a
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note and let us know what is thecorrect way to say it.
And I also want to do a really quick shout out to my husband
who found this gem for me and I when he was telling me about it,
I was truly, truly shocked that I had never heard of this woman
before. So tell me Jenny, have you ever
heard of Mary Jane Jackson AKA Bricked Up?
I have not, which I'm kind of shocked about because between
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the various history podcasts andjust general like murder your
husband kind of vibe that I watch all the time, I've never
heard of this particular person.I did not either and I have been
invested in this for quite some time, as you know.
So I was really, really surprised and honestly, I have
torn feelings because she's a horrible person, but I also get
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behind some of the things that she does.
So I like, I kind of feel torn one way or another.
But let me let me tell you how, how, how it all about right.
So let's get into Let me tell you about the scourge of
Gallantin St. OH.
That's spicy. She's the scourge.
She's the scourge when it gets better, her descriptions like I
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cannot even write these better myself if I was needing myself a
nickname. But before we get into Mary
Jane, we've got to get into New Orleans.
At the time, mid 1800s. And as you know, New Orleans is
a port city, major trade hub andits location, you know, just
directly across the Mississippi River made it.
It's a melting pot of cultures. You have French, Spanish,
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African American, the architecture is beautiful,
reflected that diversity. You have French Creole
townhouses, courtyards. I'm not an architect, but I feel
like I talk about architecture alot.
American style mansions. Also very lively social scene as
evidenced in my favorite Disney movie of all time.
Princess and the Frog was set into the New Orleans.
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So anyway, theatres, opera houses, Mardi Gras music, you
know, jazz, particularly the Annotate group around this time.
So lots of exciting and cool things happening in New Orleans,
but it wasn't without its challenges.
It was still dealing with slavery, was very deeply
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entrenched in the institution ofslavery.
And obviously those lives were marked by hardship and
oppression and sanitation duringNew Orleans during the mid
1800s. Well, there's notoriously poor.
Oh, I feel like there's a theme.Right again, throwback to fork
Delaware. We're in the same time frame,
right? And unfortunately New Orleans is
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not on its own little island where you can just dump it off
the side and re drink it if so choose to.
But it was next to the river. They basically did the same
thing. They had to go dump it in the
river. It would flood all the time.
Led to a lot of stagnant water pulling in the streets, you
know, in stagnant water brings mosquitoes and yellow fever and
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cholera, which was frequent and devastating throughout that.
And you know, as we talked about, the waste was like out in
the river. It was in the ditches.
I mean, and I have a feeling that more than a few people just
dumped it right in the street inthat stagnant water.
Like if water's already there, let's, let's just keep going.
So sanitation wasn't wasn't the best back then.
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Yes, yeah, sounds like it. It sounds like everybody pretty
much did the same thing back then, which I don't know if it
happened here, but for the longest time men walked on the
actual inside of the street. And the reason was and why they
had the specific hats during those time is so if that
somebody dumped her chamber pot out of the window and the woman
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had parasols so it would not geton them.
That is correct. So yeah, so I feel like back in
that time you had the slop that would be coming up from the
streets like you got your wagon wheels, like they, the men would
walk on the inside by the street.
So in case, you know, there was some kind of rogue horse thief
or whatever, he decided to run him off the road or slash, he
would take the hit as opposed tohis woman.
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However, as the woman, if you'rewalking on the inside, you're
more than likely going to get dumped from the chamber pots
above your head, so. Get a parasol.
You need a parasol, yes. Which I I what we need to bring
them back. I love parasols.
Parasol. Absolutely.
I absolutely would. So OK so we talked about Mary
Jane and some of her fun nicknames.
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Now this is the best descriptionI've ever heard of my life and I
feel like if this was on my gravestone I would die a happy
one. Miss Mary Jane Jackson was a
Husky full bodied trumpet whose mop of flaming red hair had
earned her the Super K of brick top, a Husky full bodied
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strumpet with flaming red hair. I'm going to park that and you
can just. Marinate on it, can you?
Think on that in a minute. Should I pass away before you?
Can you please describe me that in my epithet?
That would be great. I don't even care if it's not
true, I just want it all there. That's fine.
Okay, so okay, so this kind of sets the tone of what and who
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Mary Jane is, right? So she was born in 1836 and she
lived in Gallantine St. which isnow like the French marketplace.
If you've ever been in New Orleans, you know where it is
right there now, during that time, that area was the poor
side of the city, right? Had the most dangerous
criminals, prostitutes, St. gangs, they're right on the
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port. They can rob and steal and, you
know, and do all those kind of things.
And this is what she grew up in.So throwback, right, New Orleans
is it's got a lot of new things happening, but it's dirty
through bad sanitation. There's slavery.
There's most definitely that break between, you know, rich
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folks on the hill and people that are struggling to survive.
And she is in the street where all of the key gangs and
prostitutes and things are right.
So kind of shows you kind of what she grew up in and that
might shine a light kind of on on how she became who and what
she was and and had some of those rumors behind her.
But Can you imagine being 13, growing up around this, seeing
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all these people and then becoming a prostitute at 13 to
survive to these people in this time, in this?
Era absolutely not like that wouldn't even I was, I was busy
just trying to climb trees at that age.
I was not trying to be a prostitute and like put my stamp
on a really bad part of town just to get to survive at that
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point, so. This is survival at at its, its
utmost right. And I I know she's not unique in
that. That's happened across the US.
Especially during this time, yeah.
But for now, I mean that that's what it was.
So that was 13. She became a prostitute.
By the time she was 14 she had suckered in a local saloon owner
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and become his full mistress andstayed with him for about 3
years. So she had found some stability
for a while living with that before it ended up going South.
So our dear gentleman who had picked up his 14 year old
prostitute and turned her into his mistress decided he wanted
to leave her. For why we don't know.
Maybe she was too old, I don't know.
Maybe she was out of that range.That's disgusting when I hear 14
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year old, three years, 17. Yeah, he.
Was the local saloon owner, so you know, he's not super, super
young, so he had to have been a little bit, you know, and then
he's with him. Whenever I think of a saloon
owner, I just think of like a bald, chubby, red faced
gentleman. We've just insulted half our
audience for a local saloon owners.
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No, that's fine, I did. But back then, you know, you
think. That's kind of what you think of
when you think of like all the Westerns.
It's usually some guy who. It is an older guy and he's got
like the the arm sleeves with like the bands on them.
Yes, yes, yeah, I know what you're talking about.
That's what. I'm thinking of, and I'm sorry
if this is just all like for allof our.
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Local saloon owners, which I don't even think they call them
saloons anymore, but if there isa saloon, what is the difference
between a saloon and a bar? Do we know?
I think it's the prostitution upstairs do.
You think so? I'm going to look it up.
But anyway, because we don't have any local saloon owners, so
if you're offended, sorry, but you're not a saloon owner unless
you have prostitute going on upstairs.
But we won't talk. I could be.
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I could be wrong about that, andI'm sorry that Hollywood has
made you into this kind of. Character.
It's OK, but in any case, so we're moving on, right?
So he decides he wants to get rid of her because she's too
old, horrendous, whatever. And she retaliated by attacking
him, leaving him with a broken nose.
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All right. A missing ear.
It didn't even have BBQ sauce onit.
Like a Vander Holyfield and Tyson and half his face.
What? Yeah, she took.
Girl was not playing. She's like, you really make
fine. I want half.
She took half. Half his face.
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Oh my Lord. OK, sorry.
So this, this is where our girl is at 17.
She's ripping people's faces off.
So this started her ferocious reputation.
And by 1850 it was so bad that even the top gang in the city,
the Live Oak Gangsters, went outof their way to avoid her.
Because they like their face. They're like, this lady is just
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nuts, just leave her Bay, it's fine, whatever.
But it said she's never lost a fight.
She killed 4 men and permanentlymaimed an untold number of
others. OK.
And I'm going to give you an example of kind of like her St.
smarts and her penchant for violence.
So one day she's in a bar and she's talking to this 7 foot
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tall man named Longley. And I swear I'm not making these
things up. These are the ones.
His name is Longley. She made my bet that he would
fall forward if she stabbed him and he laughed.
I'm going to assume because 1, he thought she was full of shit
and oh sorry, language full of poo, and two, because he's like,
obviously if you're going to stab me, I'm going to fall
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backwards. So what did she do?
She stabbed him in the groin, ofwhich you're going to fold over
and fell forward. OK, so this this obviously she
won the bet, she obviously. Won the bet, you know.
OK, so he didn't die. He was just an example of a
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joke. But I'll tell you about her
first murder. So her first known murder was in
1856. And I'm going to ask you, do you
know can, can you hazard a guessas to why she killed him?
Well, is it a bet? I mean, we're, we're, I'm going
to sticking with a theme here. It it might have been a bet if
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his friend said, hey, I bet you won't go up and say this to her
face. Oh my God, what are we in like
fifth grade? I'll bet you because he called
her something that she didn't like.
I'm going to say it's a 5 letterword.
Starts with WN, means Lady of the night.
Oh, OK. Person to her face.
Oh, which she did not like beingtalked to in that town or that
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word, so she killed him. Oh, so she was just like, no,
no, you know, it's like Monopolydon't, don't pass, you know,
jail don't collect $200. Even though she was one and he
wasn't lying, she didn't like. It.
I mean, you're not going to say that to me.
Yeah. So this he was.
Spin fast, yeah. I mean, so this is a lady that
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she wasn't putting up with a whole lot of stuff.
Now she is got gangster like andI don't know why they call
themselves alive. They're gangsters.
I mean, I feel like there's a better name than that.
But the 1800s, maybe they weren't that crazy.
Stealing barrels? I don't know but.
Yeah, I don't know. So we went through kind of like
her background, what she came upfrom, where she's at.
And at this this time she was what, 1856?
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When was she born? 1836.
So she's 20. She killed her first person at
20 years old because he said a name that she didn't like.
I feel like this is some seriousness.
So that kind of shows you kind of her anger.
So we're going to take a break real great.
And when we get back, I'm going to tell you about a key event
that kind of influenced the restof her life.
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Because, I mean, it's been a Peach since, you know, like.
In the beginning something. 1st 20 years, you know she's
checking off boxes. And making no bones about it.
No, not at. All all right.
We'll be back very shortly. Yeah, right back.
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All right, so we talked about Miss Bricked up growing up where
she was at, kind of where she isat 20 years old in life.
So there, you know, the events just keep on going.
So on November 7th 1859. So what is that three years
later? So now she's 23, she's legal I
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guess. Brick Top and her bevy of
beauties. Yes, our lovely lady had formed
a girl gang out there and her lead in the girl gangs, her name
was Bridget Fury. Oh, that's all.
Is that not the best name ever? I this is I'm going to do a
whole other podcast on her if I can find enough information on
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Bridget Fury because apparently she's just as crazy.
Over this is. Brick Top.
So, so brick top. And Bridget Fury and her bevy of
beauties, her girl gang are at abar and they happen to sit next
to a gentleman in air quotes Gentleman in air quotes shallows
named Laurent Flurry. Who dared, yes, he dared to
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complain about the lady's foul language.
So let me guess. Do you want to guess?
OK, I want to guess. I do want to guess.
So I'm going to say that either she cut off his something like
an ear or a finger or something.Fingers, faces, groins.
Like, yeah. I mean, she has like an MO, so
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I'm going to say she like cut off an ear or an appendage of
some kind. She's really like that kind of
stuff. You you think, but in this
particular case, brick top was feeling a little merciful, so
she gave the gentleman a break and she was like, look, I'm
going to give you a warning shutyour mouth, mind your biz or I'm
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going to cut your heart out. So she gave a pass for a minute,
all right, but obviously this dude lived under a rock, didn't
know who she was or what she wasabout or that she meant what she
said. So he commenced to walk over to
the table and slap her. Yeah, chivalry was not dead,
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folks. We are still there.
I'm just kidding. That is super sarcastic.
But yes, this smart, smart man decided to go ahead and slap
her. So Chaos Bar fights on.
All of the girl gangs pull all of their own individual knives
and jump the dude that dared to slap Mary Jane Bricktop.
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Now Mary Jane Bricktop. I'm going to talk about her
knife right now. Not only is she so great at
everything that she does, this villainous After My Own heart
had her own weapon designed and there's a picture of it in the
resource notes. It was a knife.
It had a 5 inch blade on either side of a German silver grip.
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So she's out there like with a various small rendition of what
was it Darth Maul's like Double edged staff from like Star Wars.
And then when you're saying thatit had a German grip, so it
means that there's like there's a handle in the middle of it and
it basically has almost brass knuckles because if you hit a
blade on either side and you don't have stability, it'll move
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your hand forward and it'll slice it if you go either way.
So they used to have brass knuckles originally were not
designed for brass knuckles thatwe have today.
They were designed to hold on tothe knife so you didn't slice
your hand open when you stabbed somebody.
Correct. And thank you for breaking out
what the German grip means. So, yeah, so she had this
specialty blade made for her. She kept it in the bodice of her
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dress, and she used it when she had to.
Right? Like, this is a perfect example.
Guy's going to slap her in the face.
She's bringing out a knife. So anyway, so there's this all
this chaos going on. A bar employee comes out, he
pulls a gun. He like, fires into the ceiling
to let everybody know that he means business or whatever.
But our lovely ladies say, oh, no, Sir.
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And they start attacking him with bricks because they want to
hear what he has to say. They're not taking that
mansplaining from the gun. No, no, no, you're going to
listen. So he probably leaves.
Of course he does. Because now you got a room full
of crazy, crazy women and weapons and all kinds of stuff
going on. Eventually the police come. the
Super smart guy that decided to go ahead and start up with these
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ladies is dead on the floor and his pockets are cut out in his
pockets because, you know, why not?
Yeah. So one of those pockets was
later found under brick top skirt and became evidence
against her in the murder trial.I would be like, I don't know
what you're talking about. You see, there was a huge melee.
Things just got shuffled. Around so, so, yeah, so our our
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brick top, who was heavily put upon for being told that she was
talking too loudly. And ladies, which of us has ever
not been told that we've been talking too loudly and then
proceed to get slapped in the middle of a public forum to
which her and her friends come to her defence, Right?
And now she goes to jail. I don't know that this is fair
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or not fair. I'm just looking at both sides
of the story now. All is not lost for our poor
brick top, because even though she's in prison awaiting trial,
what do you think she finds there?
I'm going to let you guess. What do you think she finds in
prison? Another gang.
Close. Very, very close, actually.
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Not only put in context, No, shefound love.
Oh. OK, so she found love with her
prison guard, a gentleman named John Miller.
Who doesn't want a woman who candefend herself?
I I swear to you, I am not making this out.
True life is so much better thanfiction.
And this is probably my funnest episode that I think I've ever
done. So, yeah.
So she is in love with Mr. John Miller.
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And it gets better. So he's his own interesting
character besides being corrupt and sucker for a redhead.
Which OK, we all know men who are sucker for redheads.
He was also proud of bar fights,as was his lady.
I don't know if they they did that on match.com.
I don't know if that's a question where they get like
epharmony. They'd like meet you up.
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Do you like bar fights? I also like bar fights.
Anyway, one of these bar sites bar fights resulted in him
losing an arm. So instead of being depressed
and sad about that, he decided to go full Tarantino and had a
ball and chain of iron attached to his stump.
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Oh, that sounds This is her. Her perfect match.
Right, These guys are the best. So these two brilliant
characters catch a break, right?So Brick Top ends up beating her
murder charge because the coroner couldn't determine A
cause of death. Somebody definitely bribed him.
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I don't know where this is coming from.
I don't know. But all I know is what's on
record. And yeah, so because he couldn't
determine a specific cause of death, her lawyer, of course,
ran with that and made it, you know, a case of reasonable
doubt, you know, maybe around heart failure.
So she was let go, and her and her prison guard, Iron Ball and
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Chain Armament Love hit the streets.
So this time, to make money, instead of turning tricks
because she was a prostitute, she was a starfit.
She'd lured the tricks into an alley where her new boyfriend
would go ahead and beat them with his maze.
Arm and and rob them I'm assuming.
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And rob them. Romance is dead right?
She brought them back and says you get them, you get them John
and beat them down. But alas, nothing lasts forever,
even as much as we are cheering these guys along 'cause they
seem like they belong together. And Miller was kind of dumb.
And unlike Fury, who should haveknown what was going to happen
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and didn't, Yeah, yeah. So Fury didn't know her, but
Miller should have known what was going to happen.
But he decided to just forget that and came home with a grand
idea one day of trying to whip top his woman into submission.
No, that's not a good idea 'cause she'll cut you.
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Like, he knows her, he's been a part of her for a long time, and
all of a sudden he's got this sense that he's going to get her
under control. All right, we'll see how that
goes. Let me tell you about what
happens there. So he grabs a whip and he goes
to actually like deliver a blow to Miss Brichta.
And Miss Brichta, our Husky fullfigured female commenced her
modern rights Act women, her modern women's right activist
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stance and said no Sir, I don't think so.
And grabbed his arm and stopped him and then grabbed the whip
and beat him with it and. Then.
When he decided, just like, you know what, I'm going to use my
super robotic Mace arm. She grabbed the ball in mid air,
dragged him around the room by it while still beating him with
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the whip that she grabbed out ofthe other arm.
Yeah. OK, So this guy is in a corner.
I can only imagine. Like this woman.
He decides, you know what? I'm on with my brilliant ideas
today. Let me just keep on going.
So he pulls a knife. What do you want to think
happened without? I am assuming this is 3 out of
three out of three. Yeah.
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I feel like she, I feel like shekilled him after this.
She did, but before she did thatshe grabbed it by his arm and
bit it until he dropped it and then used the same knife he
pulled on her to finish the job.Oh, OK.
All right. Wow.
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So now, yeah. So now we've got 2 dudes she's
killed and this one, this the murder option stuck on this one.
She really couldn't get away from it so.
She's she's not getting out of this one.
She she didn't get out of this one.
She wasn't feeling any kind of remorse at all.
It's pretty clear. So she got sentenced to 10 years
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in the state prison. Now, this is still less than
horse thievery. This is less than horse
thievery, apparently. But yeah, 10 years for the I, I,
I don't even know what they tookinto account there.
However, what I'll say is this, it was bricked up.
While she may not have had the best of luck when she was young,
she ended up getting some betterluck as she got older.
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And this is the time of the Civil War.
So we had a General George Shepley, who was dispatched as
part of the Union's campaign to capture New Orleans, become the
military governor of New Orleansin 1862.
So at that point in time, he issued blanket pardons and
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basically emptied the prisons. And then Our Fair Lady, having
served around nine months of a 10 year sentence for the two
murders that she was known to do, plus the countless others to
get caught from, quickly hooked it out of there.
Now, when we come back from the break, I'll tell you what
happened to her after that. OK.
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All right. Sounds good.
OK, so worked up. Our lovely lady has escaped
prison and she hooked out of town and we don't know what
happened to her today. She was never seen again.
There are no public records, there are nothing from her.
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Her leaving gone in the wind. So do we think she probably
changed her name, changed everything about herself and
then just. Started over fresh possible, but
we we really don't know. I mean, I've heard it said
before that going to prison justmakes you a better criminal.
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So maybe she learned how to to do that upon her, upon her way,
but we really, really won't know.
So that is the haunting truth isthat we're really not going to
know what happened to our fearsome, fiery female gang
leader, serial killer, strumpet robber Jill of all trades.
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I don't, we don't know. Did she change her ways?
Did she need a tragic end? Or did she go gently into that
good night as an old grandmother, rocking on her
porch, having repented for her ways over time?
Yeah, I highly doubt that one, but maybe, I mean, stranger
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things can happen. Maybe that is the case.
Or she just, as you said, she boarded a ship and she just
worked her way. Around, I feel like that's the
same thing that they said that Daffy Lalore did, right?
Well, she left town and went back overseas somewhere.
So maybe maybe this is what our our lovely Brooktop did.
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So we don't know what happened. But what I do know and what we
know is New Orleans is full of history, beauty, music, great
food. I highly recommend going and you
can walk brick top steps today, you know, down Gallatin St.
which is now like the French market.
And on the way you stop at Cafe du Monde for a beignet and
coffee at Cafe Ole in hit Jackson Square for some love
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art, great artist out there. I've got a few things from there
I'm going to. I'm looking forward to going
back and getting some more. But, you know, as in every big
city, stay wary. The sanitation is better now
than the 1800s. There's still some concerns, but
it's still better than where it was before.
(29:04):
But crime is still rampant. You know, you can't have a
beautiful rose without some thorns.
Just ask Lady Brook Top. So Jen, before we close out, any
thoughts, comments, concerns, questions, anything else that
you want to hear about Miss MaryJane that I can I can answer for
you. I don't.
(29:24):
I think you covered everything. I just, you know, I always like
to have everything kind of tied up with a nice little bow at the
very end. But I like the mystery of the
fact that you don't really know what happened to her.
You don't know where she ended up.
Like she could actually be some famous woman gang from another
location. She moved over to another
(29:46):
country so you never know what hijink she got into because
between her fiery temper and herpension for violence, I highly
doubt that she stayed under the radar.
Yeah, she either went into her whole nother identity or met
some foul play or died accident or something of some kind.
Yeah, I can't imagine this lady having that quiet of a presence
(30:10):
until then. But you do not.
She. She might have matured a lot in
that nine months that she was inprison.
I don't know. Maybe she went to Eastern State
and just shocked her into reformation.
I don't know. But, you know, thank you for
joining us into this journey into the life of my new
favorite, Strumpet. I love the words Strumpet Mary
(30:30):
Jane bricked up. If you enjoy it, don't forget to
like the episode. Leave a review and let us know
your thoughts like what what happened to her?
What do you think happened to Miss Mary Jane?
And then stay tuned for our nextepisode where Jen will be
covering another great location.If it's not a person full of
history and mystery. So until then, seekers stay
(30:50):
curious and. Don't drink the water.
And Eastern state was covering yellow fever and mosquitoes back
there too. So just don't drink the water
for a while. I'm thinking.
Yeah, just for a while. All right, until next week's
seekers. Have a great one.
I'll see ya. Bye bye.
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