Technology and Happiness - Haven Exchange #64 - The Haven Exchange

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Genesis (00:07):
Welcome to The Haven exchange podcast number 64. We
have a brand new episode for youthis week, dive in as we
discussed the fundamentals ofhappiness, and how we can be
affected by all the advancementsin technology, and really ask
the question, are we less happyin this age of technology? But

(00:27):
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All right, turn those frownsupside down for technology. This
is Haven exchange number 64.

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Technology and happiness. Thisis the Haven exchange? The What

(01:33):
is your most used emoji or yourmost used emoji?

Rick (01:36):
Said the it's definitely the crying laughing

Genesis (01:39):
like the sideways tilted one or like the straight
on one. Straight on

Rick (01:43):
one. Yeah. The straight on one for sure. And then maybe the
next best would probably be thethinking face where he's got
like his his hand over his chin.
And like I use that one so much,dude.

Sage (01:59):
I thought it would have been the poop emoji.

Rick (02:01):
Nah, nah, nah, I use the thinking and the laughing
because we're the eggplant. Oh,no, you don't I don't I don't
really send the eggplant.

Genesis (02:13):
You know, as a news pool because of how much he does
in his daily routine to get ridof it. He's not trying to have
that on his phone

Rick (02:19):
either. Right. Plus, with the eggplant. I don't use the
eggplant because I don't slideinto anybody's DMS. So like,
there's no reason for me to usethat. Although, although the key
might be I think I might startsliding into DMS because

Genesis (02:34):
have you ever been at a plant?

Rick (02:37):
I have not. No. Of course.
I don't know. Yeah. No.

Sage (02:43):
Plan. Param Param is

Genesis (02:46):
good. It makes it doesn't even taste like it's a
vegetable. It actually kind oftastes meaty. No, yeah. Yeah,
like a thick meaty eggplant.

Rick (02:56):
Oh. Just making sure.
Yeah.

Genesis (03:01):
I feel like say Do you don't use emojis? Right?

Sage (03:03):
No, not at all. Yeah,

Genesis (03:05):
I don't think so.

Sage (03:06):
I'm more of a more of a gift person.

Genesis (03:09):
Not even on like your first cell phone. And emojis
were like, first introduced inyour life?

Sage (03:17):
I mean, maybe a smiley face here. There. That's about
it.

Genesis (03:23):
Yeah, that was the case. Because your basic

Sage (03:30):
gift is so much better.

Rick (03:32):
Yes, yes, definitely. A GIF is definitely used a lot to
like, I mean, I won't go intodetail of what gifts I use
frequently.

Genesis (03:43):
At the library. I do

Sage (03:44):
it. And then memes because you know I go if I can't find a
meme, I'll create it real fast.

Rick (03:51):
Hilarious. I don't think I've ever actually created to
me.

Genesis (03:55):
That sounds saying we're like devolving back to
like hieroglyphs and pictogramsand shit. And our communication
style.

Sage (04:06):
What was her name? Kat Dennings on to Berg girls. She
was like Twitter's dumb andInstagram as for Twitter, I mean
people who can't read

Genesis (04:17):
that's pretty much the case. Oh, oh, yeah, you can't be
muting yourself. That fan isgonna create some inconsistency.

Rick (04:25):
Okay, yeah, let me let me turn that off because that
that's definitely gonna be

Genesis (04:30):
like we know when you dipped out.

Sage (04:33):
Oh, wonder what just happened there.

Genesis (04:37):
I know like I can hear everything now.

Rick (04:39):
Oh my goodness. It is off.
So now when I go mute

Genesis (04:48):
which happens often because he's got to go look at
Twitter and check Facebook andnot pay attention.

Rick (04:53):
That's not true. I have told the recording I have told
you for the last dozen or sopodcasts. I put the phone face
down. I'm muted. All windows areclosed except for this
recording. And I'm in dude. I'mdialed in you're locked in I'm
locked in I do here it is alland I still have one year free

(05:17):
because you know I have tolisten out for the girls. But
other than that

Genesis (05:23):
oh, that might because I got a new headphones and they
have the noise cancelingfunctionality really and it's
the first time I've everexperienced like true noise
canceling functionality builtinto the headphones and it was
tripping me out at first becauseit fucking feels like you're in
the sensory deprivation tank orsomething but I did notice on

(05:48):
here there's the settings fortransparency so you can dial it
to where it'll allow some noisesto come through and it made me
think of U bolt and like whydon't you guys just do something
like that

Rick (05:59):
first of all what brand

Genesis (06:01):
steel series oh that's fucking brand is great

Rick (06:06):
series is Red

Sage (06:11):
Steel series two so watch them out

Rick (06:13):
I you know I have had I've used to budget I get it

Genesis (06:18):
no not hang on it

Rick (06:19):
no I've used to steal series and I hated both of them

Sage (06:23):
that's because you're still series were to empty pinto
bean cans and string

Rick (06:29):
oh my god so like like the ones on mute first of all how
effing DARE YOU Second of all,the ones that I use right now
are Corsair headphones. I wasthinking about going to what's
that other high Eisenhower? Isthat how you say it? I never
heard of that. I

Sage (06:49):
have no clue which Tama Yeah, it's

Rick (06:50):
like a one so when I worked at BestBuy there was a
audio headset brand that was inthe Magnolia department like a
high end mic no I worked therefor like a year

Genesis (07:05):
don't You don't want to say that when you just like are
getting him on your team?

Sage (07:11):
Yeah, but I can get I can look them in shake.

Rick (07:16):
I gotta look up. strange way to Sennheiser Sennheiser is
the name of it. Sennheiser Yeah,S E and bombs awfully. No, no,
it was very German. DefinitelyGerman. I know this dude. A
total German. Mr. 1945. Overhere. Was that mean? That is

(07:37):
definitely you. I don't haveanything against a certain group
of people.

Genesis (07:41):
I don't either. Are you? Sure? I love everybody.

Rick (07:45):
I think Nick Kroll and Christopher Lambert save and I
hate them. What was the otherdude and driver? I think I think

Genesis (07:54):
Star Wars guy.

Sage (07:55):
I don't see how you can hate Christopher Lambert. He's a
he's a treasure.

Genesis (07:59):
Got no problem with his abilities and acting talent.
It's all just about his face.
And faith. Now

Sage (08:07):
I'm just getting to that.

Genesis (08:10):
Thomas Jane.

Sage (08:11):
They're pretty much fucking twins.

Rick (08:12):
They do look just like the dude from his faces.

Genesis (08:16):
Fine. Looks exactly like Chris. Something different.
You

Rick (08:21):
could definitely

Genesis (08:23):
I could do from missed.
Yeah, that's

Sage (08:25):
a different. I miss you.
Okay.

Rick (08:27):
I saw the best by the way.
No, you didn't. I did. I did.

Genesis (08:31):
Did you watch it recently?

Rick (08:32):
No, no, I saw it a couple years ago on VHS. No,

Genesis (08:37):
this motherfucker is lying. Listen, you literally
just told us within those twoyears that you watch the ending
on YouTube?

Rick (08:45):
For the missed? Yeah. Oh, no. I told wait. I saw the
ending because it was spoiledfor me on is a looper. Maybe
there's like a YouTube channelwhere they were talking about
like the best endings orwhatever

Sage (08:59):
that is honestly, one of the best endings.

Rick (09:03):
Like, I could see why it's in some people's lists from Best
endings or whatever. But no, Ifind out if I actually saw the
movie. And it was

Sage (09:12):
the ending was so good that Stephen Stephen King who
wrote the book was like, yeah,the ending is better than my
book.

Genesis (09:19):
That wasn't the thing that was in the actual book.

Rick (09:23):
Okay, I want you to to sit here and just think about that.
Think about your favorite peoplein the world. And just imagine
yourself in that exact samescenario. How would you feel if
you just did that to them?
Because I don't want to spoil itfor whoever may be listening and
didn't see it. But how was

Genesis (09:41):
not that many of us out there. So are you think we're
good?

Rick (09:45):
Listeners, if you haven't seen it, you could blame genesis
for the first one for you.

Sage (09:49):
But honestly, if they haven't seen it, it's on them at
this point.

Rick (09:53):
I mean, that's true.
That's true, because it was noway I was gonna avoid it as long
as I did. You know, to be fair Iwasn't avoiding it. I just never
cared. Right? But just imaginejust that, you know, you're
sitting in the car you just shotMarley in the face while I was
gonna say your mom, but then Iwas like nah, that's a little

(10:15):
dark. I don't want to

Genesis (10:18):
piss off. I mean considering the scenario in the
actual movie it might as wellhave been my mom, you know? I
mean, I don't think you you wantyour two kids in that car?

Rick (10:30):
Yeah, dude, I would have just even if the military would
have ran I would have shotmyself like I just know I'm
living with the most

Sage (10:37):
fucked up part about the ending though. The funny part is
he just did that and then theone chick who they didn't want
to help at the very beginning tofind her kid is on the on the
truck all safe holder kidlooking like yeah

Genesis (10:50):
yeah, right. I wouldn't have went out like that I would
have been like fuck this let'sjust I'll take my chances with
the monsters got to have hopeman. He like lost all hope in
the span of like what 24 hoursthey didn't really give it the
old college try

Sage (11:06):
that's what happened the second anybody starts saying
anything about religion. Theygotta go first.

Genesis (11:14):
spiraled out of control

Rick (11:16):
I guess I could see sage being like our Lord and who all
right

Sage (11:25):
the crowd don't agree me I'm gonna kill them and they
gotta go.

Genesis (11:31):
Anyways, my

Rick (11:33):
word

Sage (11:34):
start proms

Genesis (11:37):
Welcome to The Haven exchange podcast. My name is
Genesis one of the hosts herebringing you weekly content and
new topics. Built aroundshenanigans deep thoughts,
exchange of conversations andRick Oh, who are you guys? For
anybody new tuning in?

Rick (11:57):
is me. Rick, the best member of the show?

Genesis (12:01):
Yep. Fan calls came in.
It's true.

Rick (12:05):
Fan Favorite fan favorite.

Sage (12:07):
Wait, there was a poll?
Oh, yeah.

Rick (12:09):
All it was on patreon.com/the Haven exchange.
You all should go over there andvote right now.

Sage (12:15):
Well, they like three votes. Did you win?

Genesis (12:18):
was one vote and I traced the IP bed in Rick's
location.

Rick (12:23):
It was it was it wasn't my location.

Sage (12:26):
Wasn't with my neighbors wasn't because we believe that
was what happened. So you know,somebody votes?

Rick (12:31):
Yeah, people felt bad. Or like, let's give this sack of
shit. Some sort of a win. Youknow?

Genesis (12:36):
I'm pretty sure they're all on our side, especially
after the movie quote,challenge.

Rick (12:41):
Oh, 100% Ah ha 100% Are they on your site where they're
just look this guy. He hasn'tseen all these classic movies,
what a piece of shit.

Genesis (12:53):
So we want to create this thing with our audience a
sense of Oh, I could easily swapout with Rick and be the CO
hosts. And then once we put jobapplication opportunities out
there for new co hosts once weultimately fire you, then it's
going to be easy to find a newcoach to fill the spot.

Rick (13:12):
You know, I'm calling my union rep.

Genesis (13:15):
Yeah, me

Rick (13:23):
I mean, moving on.

Sage (13:25):
So yes, so the

Genesis (13:31):
topic we have this week is an interesting one. And it's
going to be around how old istoo old to have sleepovers at
your parents house?

Rick (13:39):
We did wait hold on fuck you. First of all. Wait, did you
did you introduce Did you everintroduce a sh and you know it's
not asleep. Okay. All right.
Okay, I had to work and so I youknow, get a

Sage (14:04):
slumber party.

Genesis (14:06):
You know, machine make your snacks while you lay in
bed.

Rick (14:09):
You know first of all it's not a bad I make a fort on the
floor using the the cushionsfrom the couch.

Sage (14:17):
I want to know is please tell me that you at least had
one rubber ducky and a GI Joe inthe bath that you were for you

Rick (14:23):
know I did not have a rubber ducky but I did have the
Metal Gear five prosthetic arm.
And then I also usually carrylike well thanks to Genesis here
I have a Kojima t shirt now.

Genesis (14:38):
Yeah and a winter statue

Rick (14:40):
right and Anna which is that part is

Sage (14:43):
100% believe that you have that prosthetic arm which you

Genesis (14:48):
cuddles well it gives a nice and warm inside.

Rick (14:52):
Yeah, yeah, keep it keeps me nice and warm. Now say she's

Genesis (14:56):
like that episode where Marshall goes back home or like
after his dad passed away. Andhe just reverts back to like
his. Oh yeah.

Rick (15:07):
Yeah, all I hear is haters. I hear Hayden and excuse
me. My mom didn't throw a brickat me, or

Genesis (15:18):
I don't know. I'm just saying it's a little weird.
That's all. Yeah, you're aweirdo.

Rick (15:23):
What do we call because I don't want to call her by the
last name but what did we callyour mom? Because I know my mom.
Yeah, I don't want to say mamathen last name. CALLER HI, your
first name I feel disrespectfulyou know call you know

Sage (15:37):
user you can feel disrespectful for what this
fucker did LED.

Genesis (15:42):
Whatever.

Rick (15:44):
Oh, kicking around the group chat

Sage (15:47):
or in the group chat to begin with.

Rick (15:51):
Yeah, what kind of monster ads is Mondo group chat. And
then immediately once are kickedout of it. Well,

Genesis (15:57):
sage said your mom. And so I brought her into the
picture. Just you know, let herhave a voice in the conversation
done this before, haven't youall the time to move with sage.
I want you to stand up to yourclaims. Mom making you dinner at
night and waking up next to youthe next day. I just need to get

(16:20):
clarification from her side ofthe story.

Sage (16:22):
Did I not say the exact same thing when she was in the
party? Yes.

Rick (16:29):
Right. So I mean, I don't know if it's gonna work for you.
And you should know by now shit.
Like that doesn't work on sage.
You know, he's gonna immediatelyjust repeat

Genesis (16:37):
it one of these days.
He's gonna say some extra. Andit's gonna bite him in the air.
So I gotta keep trying.

Rick (16:46):
Oh, man. I don't think that's ever gonna work for you.

Genesis (16:51):
We'll see. Here's hope.
And

Sage (16:52):
then he couldn't even figure out the party because he
wouldn't even a day and a half.

Genesis (17:01):
That one was awkward.
Yeah, like, but

Rick (17:02):
how did that work? Because you've done this before where
you? Can't you've kicked herout.

Sage (17:06):
I think it

Genesis (17:08):
might have been the other chat. Yeah. Okay. And then
I was like, oopsies

Rick (17:14):
the end and I was gone from that chat for like half the
day and I just come back and I'mreading everything like this
asshole.

Genesis (17:22):
You see how technology is just making me unhappy? to
segue into our actual topic ofare we less happy in the age of
technology? And this issomething that kind of I've been
thinking about now that I'vebeen especially moved to

(17:44):
permanent work from home,surrounded constantly by
technology, the home work and infront of the computer day in day
out. Are you okay? Do I phoneoff?

Rick (17:56):
No, no, no, no, no. When you were talking about, you
know, permanent work from home,and you were you said you were
gonna be around or you beenaround technology or something
like that. Yeah. You were gonnasay you pause when you said I've
been around and I was gonna sayto many black people.

Genesis (18:17):
I pale fill in the blank.

Rick (18:18):
Yeah, I panic, but then I thought it in my head and it
still made me laugh. And Ididn't mute quick enough.

Genesis (18:27):
This motherfucker is so weird.

Sage (18:32):
That was not worth sharing with the class.

Rick (18:34):
Like, well, he said, Are you okay? And it just I was just
gonna keep going. But then heyou know?

Genesis (18:40):
Yeah, but you all right. I meant to mute it. But

Rick (18:43):
then I just didn't reach

Sage (18:47):
the ball rolling because this is this makes no sense.
Right? Can we blame

Rick (18:51):
DSP edit all that

Genesis (18:52):
out professionalism here, fellas. Yeah, okay. So are
we less happy in this age oftechnology is the topic that
we're talking about today. But,you know, before we get into
that, and start breaking thatdown, I want to hear what you
guys think, as far as your ownpersonal definition of

(19:14):
happiness, because I thinkthat's something that makes it
kind of hard to maybe do anysort of statistical analysis of
what is the world like now interms of happiness, because
everybody has their own versionof happiness. So what do you
guys think happiness means andwhat is your form of happiness?

Sage (19:34):
Say tells you I can't answer that question. Because
you're not happy. I've neverbeen able to answer that
question. Right? Because you'renot happy or even during
Thanksgiving. Like my familygoes around. They're like, Oh,
everybody go around and talkabout like, something you're
thankful thankful for. And Ialways try to opt out like now
I'm out.

Genesis (19:55):
Thankfulness is different from happiness, right?

Sage (19:59):
If you're thankful for it, You're probably happy for it.

Rick (20:02):
But you don't give the generic answer of just like, oh,
you know, I'm thankful for myfamily, blah, blah, blah.

Genesis (20:07):
Don't even known.
That's awesome.

Rick (20:13):
No, you have to, like you have to lie.

Genesis (20:16):
I appreciate the honesty, though. Well, do you?

Rick (20:22):
If you're sitting at a table for Thanksgiving, and your
mom goes, You know what, I'm notreally thankful for anything as
her son, you're not going tofeel like damn Alright, like,
you're not even

Sage (20:31):
if I'm being honest, I would say I'm happiest when I'm
alone. But I'm realizing thatthat's turning me into somewhat
of a monster.

Genesis (20:42):
Sure. Well, that's what I was gonna ask. Because if you
know, there's an absence ofhappiness, then you should then
know what it takes to be happy?
Or is that still an unknown?

Sage (20:52):
Well, no, it's not even that. It's the fact that when
you're alone, you know, youbecome okay with you, and all
your little quirks andeverything, like you really
learn a lot about yourself. Butthen you learn and start to want
to put up with less and lessbullshit. So you become a
monster, I get to the point thatyou're not really sure you want

(21:14):
to be around other people. LikeI'm perfectly content and notes
in North Korea on my couchwatching anime all day, and not
speaking to a soul.

Genesis (21:23):
Sure, that would be happiness. And when there's
different types of happiness,you know, there's some forms of
happiness where it's just like,pleasure driven, where it's
just, here's the next thing tohit my desires. Or there's
there's happiness in, you know,helping others being a good
person that can create somehappiness, you know, for

(21:46):
individuals. But like beingalone, that's you're depriving
yourself essentially from anyoutside input. Like, that's it?
Yeah, I would say the same. Butis that actual or you just
haven't found the thing thatmakes you happy?

Sage (22:08):
No one has actually I legit love being alone. Yeah.

Genesis (22:13):
With technology.

Sage (22:17):
With technology, I mean, my TV's on is that,

Genesis (22:20):
yeah, that does count.
And so maybe there's some thingsthat, you know, I wanted to
bring up throughout this episodethat you might find interesting
in terms of that time, but

Sage (22:32):
it's because even when I am alone, let's say I wanted to
talk to somebody. I don't haveto physically be in their
presence.

Genesis (22:41):
Right. So there's this, there's almost a positive that
does come. So there, maybetechnology is creating happiness
for you.

Sage (22:50):
I wouldn't think that too deep into it. But okay,
continue. So right, what aboutyou?

Rick (22:56):
I think I'm pretty happy with technology. For me, because

Genesis (23:00):
when I go back a little bit, just to begin to find
happiness for yourself.

Rick (23:06):
I'm having a really bad deja vu right now. I feel like
we've done this before, for somereason,

Genesis (23:11):
glitch in the Matrix, maybe.

Rick (23:15):
Shit, really bad deja vu.
But for me, first of all, itdoes not take a whole lot for me
to be happy, right? I'm notsomeone who asked for a whole
lot of things. I think I couldmake the argument that I didn't
really understand true happinessuntil probably when I had my
first daughter. And even then,because I mean, you know, I'm
happy. She's here. I'm happythat both of them are alive.

(23:37):
Yeah, but I also deal with a tonof anxiety because they're here.
And I'm so afraid of the outsideworld for them. But as far as me
being happy, it doesn't take alot. Like, I mean, that's good,
right? Yeah. I mean, I think I'mpretty content. I mean, I always

(23:58):
want for things to be better, ofcourse. But I think overall, I
think I'm a pretty happy person.

Genesis (24:08):
Does that mean with your the birth of your children,
though? Does that mean you'llnever achieve? Unless you had
another kid? None level ofhappiness?

Sage (24:17):
Hmm.

Rick (24:19):
No, I think when I say that, I don't think I
experienced happiness. Because Ithink you could apply that to
love too. I remember likingsomeone, but I'm not sure if it
was just because of the physicalaspect of it. Or if it was
because of just like, oh, Iactually really want to be
around this person, you know.
But as soon as I have my firstthought I like oh shit. Like,

(24:40):
pure justice with it. Yeah, likespeaking technology and our
favorite emojis. My dad wastexting me earlier today because
my mom's birthday is tomorrow.
And we were thinking aboutgetting her an iPad. And at the
end of the call rotation hesigns off with. Okay, have a

(25:02):
nice day. And he sent the emojiface with all the hearts around
it. I was like what the fuck iswrong with this guy? Why would I
even call them always likewhat's wrong with dad? Is he
okay? And I even told my momlike I think I'm broken with
love because of her. Like wedon't

Genesis (25:24):
want you guys are all laying in the bed together
watching like Saturday morningcartoons.

Rick (25:29):
Please don't say that.
That sounds so weird. On alldifferent level like, is the
creepy? Yeah. Have you ever done

Genesis (25:38):
as a kid?

Rick (25:42):
When you were in town last year, you ain't do that. Yeah.
Okay, I'm not to add somebodyback to the group chat and ask
Hey,

Genesis (25:50):
you're the one that's like every other week. I'm going
to spend the night at my parentshouse. Almost 40

Rick (25:56):
That's the first of all again, how effing dare you.
But every other weekend, I thatwas one time I have spent the
night at my mom's house onetime. I don't even do that,
actually. But I think about it.
I told you I didn't even go Iwas supposed to spend the night.

(26:17):
But I ended up saying you knowfuck, I'm just gonna go.

Sage (26:24):
Validation right now. Now my

Rick (26:26):
sister's house. I spent the night at my sister's house
twice this year. But that wasbecause I was watching my nieces
with my girls. They're having alittle sleepover. No, I mean, I
was the adult watching the kids.
So yeah, we're gonna leave andgo back home while they stay
over there by themselves.

Genesis (26:45):
Oh, okay. Anyways,

Rick (26:48):
first of all, yes. When I when I spend the night over
there. Yes, we do have hot cocoaand we watch movies. So again,
son of a bitch validation thatyou didn't have hot cocoa.

Sage (27:08):
I mean, not at all

Rick (27:14):
sorry, I'll go make some hot cocoa we're done.

Sage (27:16):
No, no, I'm not jealous that I didn't have okay without
the hot cocoa

Genesis (27:22):
I don't like sugar and tasty things. You don't know
that's sage.

Rick (27:27):
Oh, that sounds like you man thought that was you

Genesis (27:31):
was a bad impression

Sage (27:35):
I don't I will give you the whole I don't like sugar. I
can't give you that. Oh my tastythings because I cook so I'm
Latin of string he

Rick (27:46):
does cook his own meals.
Yes, maybe So smoking. Everyburger

Sage (27:54):
Now that's some technology that's pissing me off right now.
Yeah. Good luck piece of shit.

Genesis (28:04):
Something natives have been doing for millennia. I
mean, I came to me here's thisisn't working.

Sage (28:11):
I can do it the old fashioned way but it's 2022 what
I look like

Genesis (28:20):
smoker lists

Sage (28:21):
no we got yeah have electricity and Wi Fi and
Bluetooth and shit like thatwhere I don't have sit there and
manage tips. Like it's fucking1963 years. Yeah,

Rick (28:33):
he's like motherfucker.
I'm not bear grill. I'm notgoing to be outside in the
wilderness smoking and cookingmy shit. That's what

Genesis (28:41):
I'm mad about that too.
means no camping trips when Iwhen I come back to Illinois.
Here we go. Yeah, at least Iwould say no the hell were you
going to camp with I will findsomebody to go camping with me.
Yeah, we might not be YouTubefools.

Rick (28:56):
No. Kids so the girls friend was talking about they
were going camping this weekendand asked if we wanted to go
like Oh fuck I look like sittingout there with the bears and the
coyotes and the worms findinghis way up my Nam good man, was
it

Sage (29:12):
I've said it like 30 times before I defy you to find the
episode when animals attack thata black person's in a dog is not
a part of the attack. Challengeaccepted

Rick (29:23):
or go to any of those like Netflix or National Geographic
shows where it's like Naked andAfraid or people you don't see a
single black person doing it we

Sage (29:33):
googled it right now and he looked up oh last people who
were last seen hiking or somenone of them will be like

Genesis (29:40):
forcing you to pioneer then be the first vigorously go
I just want to know what thesearch term when Google was for
that so

Rick (29:56):
list of people missing while camping. And I just
clicked images and oh, look atthis white people, white people,
white people. Five white morewhite people.

Genesis (30:13):
Yeah. All right. Let me do my own Google search. Clearly
Oh,

Rick (30:18):
wait, hold on, hold on.
Hold on. We got a couple ofmaybe some they might be Indian
way. But weren't those nonIndians? Were they call it
something? No. Native American?
Well, no, they were also Yeah,

Sage (30:31):
indigenous people,

Rick (30:34):
indigenous people, indigenous people. But like,

Genesis (30:40):
alright, so sage never found it, like, upsetting that
you can't find happiness.

Sage (30:48):
I don't know why you keep circling back to me. You were
talking about yourself rightnow, sir.

Genesis (30:53):
Well, I'm just, you know, I'm running the show here
on this one. But it's really ifyou want to know as far as what
I think happiness is ordefinition of happiness. I mean,
it's, it's a forward flowingriver, like it's hard to really
nail down. There's, there's manything I think that's exactly my

(31:14):
point of why it's so hard toreally create any sort of
analytics around, are we happiernow than we were as a people 10
years ago, or even right now, wejust displayed what are the
differences in our definitionsof happiness? You know, Rick,
finding joy in the birth of hischildren, or you the lack of,
but generally speaking, youknow, there's,

Sage (31:36):
like, there's a difference between happiness training,
finding true true happiness isprobably like what Rick said,
breakfast kids. But there are, Ifeel like more people are
blissful than actually trulyhappy.

Genesis (31:52):
That's yeah, sure, that's a good way to put it. We,
that's blissfulness would be theculmination of many things
contributing to your overallhappiness. And I think that's,
that's kind of the point, I'mgetting to like, we have this
baseline of happiness, right? Weall have that. And yours might
just be lower, or yours mightactually be higher, then, you

(32:12):
know, Rick, our eyes baseline ofhappiness. I don't stray too far
from my baseline. But you itmight be more of an adventure
for you to get to your baselineand you tend to live below it.

Sage (32:24):
I want to be a billionaire. That makes me truly
happy. What? Yeah, I'm sorry,I'm sorry, people who sit there
and say that, Oh, money doesn'tmake you happy, where people
who've always have fuckingmoney,

Rick (32:35):
right? They've never, they've never understood what it
that's like to be broke.

Genesis (32:41):
I'm glad you brought that up. Because there's a
couple things, particularly withtechnology, but I think that
will actually listen to thepoint that you just made. And
diving into technology a littlebit more here now. But like
hedonic adaptation is thisnotion where we can have things
that make us happy, but then wevery quickly returned back to

(33:04):
our baseline of happiness. Solike buying something new, you
get happy in that moment, butyou're just as quick to return
to your baseline. So then wehave to keep buying more stuff.
And that's, you know, part ofthe technology, we have to get
the new TV right, then we gethappy. How truly happy are you
with that new TV before you getover it?

Sage (33:26):
See, when I say money, I don't think about materialistic
things. When I say money, let'ssay I want to be billionaire,
because that would afford me thefreedom to do whatever the fuck
I want. It's not about buyingthings. It's about not having to
worry about paying bills, beingable to just pick up and go to

(33:46):
fucking Thailand or some shit ifI feel like it not having to
wake up every morning and go towork to make somebody else rich.

Genesis (33:52):
Yeah, but again, you know, that's hedonism, right?
That's numbing things.

Sage (33:57):
No, I'm not getting you're not really getting things
because I can keep the exactsame things I get now be a
billionaire. I wouldn't have tobuy anything special. I could
just pay all my fucking um,yeah, I mean, I probably would.
But that's not where I would getmy news from. The happiness
would come from the fact thatfor me, the sky's the limit. I
can do whatever they want, andnot have to worry about

(34:18):
anything.

Genesis (34:19):
When's the last vacation you've been on? When I
was 30? Well, the Dominican youwent to the Dominican. No, no,
no.

Sage (34:25):
That's two years ago. I went to Nashville Nashville two
years

Genesis (34:28):
ago. Okay, so now let me ask you when you went to
Nashville, that was probablytime right. Yeah. How soon when
you got back did that sort ofwear off?

Sage (34:39):
I still want to go back

Genesis (34:44):
Yeah, but like but the joy of that experience.

Sage (34:47):
I still want to go back and if I could afford it, I
would have bought a timesharethere so then I can go whenever
I feel like

Genesis (34:53):
it. Yeah, no, that's that makes sense. But I'm what
I'm saying like the How long didthe happiness of that trip last?
Just when you got back though,

Sage (35:03):
it lasted a while it lasted a very long time. And
whenever I think about it, itcomes back because it was a
great trip. It could have beenit could have been even better
had I had more money to where Icould have really bought out of
control. Dangerous man that hadto come back and worry about oh,
rent, car note. Fucking food allthis other stupid shit. I'm

(35:26):
telling it's the Money takes somuch stress off your shoulders,
the people. When people sitthere and say, Oh, money ruin my
life. That's because you don'tknow how to manage your fucking
money. And you became amillionaire and decided, You
know what? I'm gonna buy twojets. Why? Why are you gonna buy
one jet? Let's talk about this.

Genesis (35:46):
So looking at most lottery winners, and they go
bankrupt.

Sage (35:51):
Yeah, they go bankrupt because they were killed
themselves or go bankrupt, killthemselves or get killed because
you know, their family membersget greedy. And they always want
money or they're trying to helpeverybody. If I won the fucking
lotto. Y'all win even thoughy'all just be like, y'all put me
on milk carton, right? What thefuck? I was afraid. I will send
y'all fucking a post message acouple months down the line.

(36:14):
Like Yeah, I'm good living life.

Genesis (36:17):
I think what that's like, if you take become a
billionaire, sure you alleviatesome of the problems that you
have in your day to day now inthis life scenario, like normal
Joe Schmoe problem,

Sage (36:28):
could you have as a billionaire, that money couldn't
fix? Anyone?

Genesis (36:31):
Well, how? Wow, kind of give me a minute. Because I
share this those same negativesof life, right, like paying
bills, and, you know, having tobudget certain things. You know,
like, I still like it would behard for me to come up with
those but

Sage (36:46):
who like this money. So money is so strong. Matthew
Johnson had HIV, he got it nomore.

Genesis (36:57):
But, then, but then what you're all you're saying is
that to be happy is to havemoney. And I don't think that is
the case, though. That's theworld we live in, sir. It makes
it can make certain partsbetter, but it's not.

Sage (37:09):
You can be blissful. But you're being blissfully
ignorant. So you're in your ownright, you're happy, but you
have those moments to where shitgets real. You're like, fuck,
like, I wish this wasn't likethis, or I wish I had to do this
or, you know, I gotta pick upanother fucking shift. Or this,
oh, you got to sit there andlook at your bills and be like,

(37:29):
alright, which 1am I not gonnapay. So much stress is off your
shoulders. Look how young richpeople look. And it's not
because of plastic surgery. It'sbecause Thank God, you have to
worry about stress free life.

Genesis (37:43):
So then, so then you do know what you need to do to
become happy for you

Sage (37:49):
to join Bruno Mars want to be a billionaire.

Genesis (37:53):
But that right, because you said you know, you just want
to be alone. And that's whereyour true happiness is. But if
you had a ton of money, then youmight be able to identify some
new forms of happiness, or atleast in what you perceive to be
your ideal baseline ofhappiness.

Sage (38:12):
How does talk to technology had turned into my
happiness?

Genesis (38:16):
Well, because it's kind of a curveball, because you
don't have happiness. So I getto explore that just a little
bit. And I'm sure people want toknow that a little bit about me.
All right, well, let's just comeon to a podcast and explore our
personality. But bringing itback to technology, though,
okay, so then Do you guysbelieve that we are less happy

(38:39):
due to technology? Or not? Or doyou think we're happier?

Sage (38:44):
Thank you. So flip. Yes, it's 5050.

Rick (38:48):
Yeah, 5050, for sure. We can communicate with people at a
new place. With no real effort,you can FaceTime you got a
social media, you have all thisstuff, right? Where you can
communicate with people that youmay not see ever again. But you
can still see them in some way.

Sage (39:07):
Then technology using that same coin? Right? Technology is
there to show you how muchbetter other people are doing or
how much more fun other peopleare doing. And you end up
looking inside at yourself andrealize, man, maybe you ain't
doing enough with your life.
Maybe you're not getting fun,and you end up getting the
press, because it's the ultimateFOMO.

Rick (39:32):
Yeah, I I used to think this would have been maybe
seven, eight years ago orsomething like that. I remember
when I genuinely thought in myrelationship at the time that
the relationship wasn't workingor going anywhere because she
wasn't parading me on socialmedia. You know, and then I
stopped and thought about like,wait a minute, no, this. This is

(39:54):
actually a pretty goodrelationship. I'm just so warped
on other people's relationshipson social Media, people's
fixation need that same thing

Sage (40:02):
people fixation with that blows my fucking mind, I don't
understand the need to put everyaspect of your life online.
Makes no sense to me. Everybodydoesn't need to know what I'm
doing at all points in time.

Genesis (40:15):
Well, it's pretty easy to explain though, because you
post something you get nearinstinct, generally
gratification, you know, frompeople around you or people,
unknown strangers, people,giving you that instant support
for what you're doing. Eventhough they could be
backstabbing, you as far as likejust saying, just shit that they

(40:39):
know you want to hear, butyou're still getting something
out of that conversation eitherway, so it doesn't really
matter. It's just seamless. And

Sage (40:45):
I put it in reality. I put it like that if I wanted
gratification for something Iwas doing. All my closest
friends are gonna know. Becausethere, those are the only
people's opinions I'm reallygonna care about. I don't really
don't really care about someperson who I knew in high school
like, Oh, you're doing great.
Like, I haven't talked to you in20 years. I don't give a shit.

Genesis (41:06):
Yeah, well, the three of us we kind of grew up before
that was sort of indoctrinatedinto us to go about getting
social gratification via socialmedia and stuff like that. We've
learned to develop thatelsewhere. But the new
generation coming up, and that Imean, people from our
generation, obviously, still getit to get into it. But you know,

(41:28):
the three of us we're not, we'renot all that big on social
media. And I mean, Rick getsinto his little Twitter battles,
but that's a different story.

Sage (41:35):
I mean, I'm there for the smoke, because that's fun.

Rick (41:39):
When I get on Twitter, I'm just, I'm primarily looking at
people posting shit. And I'lljust see, like current events
and all that. But I, I don'tknow if I've ever said this on
the podcast before. But youknow, every year, it's usually
around September, but I do thesame annual 30 Day purge where
like, I'll delete all socialmedia off my phone, and just

(42:01):
completely escaping. Everybodyshould do that. Yeah, I know,
I'm definitely thinking aboutupping that to a few more months
throughout the year, because Ifeel better when that 30 That 30
days,

Sage (42:12):
see what I'll do. I'll just be scrolling through like
Facebook or Twitter or somethinglike that. And then somebody say
something controversial. Andthen I take a beat, and I'm
like, Oh, I got something I wantto say about this, then I think
about like, I don't really wantto waste the next 30 minutes to
an hour in my life arguing backand forth with this person.

Genesis (42:32):
And a lot of times, that pulls people in to do
exactly that wasting time, whichis I think gonna lead to
unhappiness. There's there'snothing positive coming out of
that you can either ruminate oryou can problem solve, right? Or
just avoid true and a lot ofpeople want to ruminate in into
the conversation, which givesthe original poster the

(42:54):
gratification that they werelooking for, because they
startled somebody.

Sage (42:57):
Yeah. And then there's people who post things. Like I
might post something on yourwall, or Derrick or whatever.
And it's something that only wewould get or anybody in our
close circle would get. Butsomebody who knows me but
doesn't know me like that, theywill read that post. And they'll
be like, Oh, well, this racistpiece of shit. Or this fucking

(43:18):
massage and if you should, notknowing that I'm fucking joking,
right? Case in point, one of myreally good friends. Not a bad
bone in his body. Thismotherfucker he's the reason I
don't change my fucking Facebookprofile picture for what? Okay,
every time I do thismotherfucker, right so god damn
store he did a soul proper oneyear, it was hilarious. But this

(43:43):
ass over my birthday this year,wrote, we wrote this on my wall.
And I'm pretty sure some peopletook it the wrong way. I swear
every year when it's yourbirthday? I go Nah, he's
trolling us is never on thesecond. which let's be honest,
something you would do. Sotoday's your birthday or
different day. I don't knowanymore. But happy birthday.
Hope the Hennessy is plentiful.
The black and milds are burninghot. The Kool Aid is cold. The

(44:06):
chicken is crisp, and the acidsare fat with those watermelons
as sweet as possible. Now he'swhite. Putting that on my

Genesis (44:21):
on my wall. Okay, like where's the

Sage (44:24):
wrong person reading that would be like What the actual
fuck?

Genesis (44:29):
Yeah. And I mean, like Facebook, I think is a little
bit more personal. It'sgenerally made up and composed
of your groups, your circles, soI think you can get away with
that a little bit more. But likeif you if that was to happen on
Twitter, you best believesomebody's gonna fucking outrage
on a comment like that. Andthat's the thing it was like
it's creating this sort of netneutral experience that there's

(44:52):
no way you can really sustainhappiness from something like
that. If you have a person thatputs also tweet that says, oh,
somebody told me I looked uglytoday. And you have to think
like, Okay, first of all, whatis your reasoning for posting?
Is this to garner attention oranything like that? Or maybe it

(45:13):
truly did happen. But somethinglike that on Twitter, somebody's
gonna get a ton of replies andsaying, oh, no, you're
beautiful, you know, and, andthat's, it's gonna make you feel
really good, right? So it'sgonna make you want to continue
to post something like that.

Rick (45:31):
Well, guys who do it?
Well, this one guy inparticular, I don't think he
listens to this podcast, I don'tthink he'll know I'm talking
about. But there's one guy inparticular, where every time he
posts something on Facebook,it's always the same. Putting
himself down, in a way whereit's like, everyone who's
reading it knows that himputting himself down is just to

(45:52):
get attention. Because this guy,he's like an electrician, he
makes really good money. Whenall day you see him talking
about, um, somebody's brokedusty song or something like
that.

Sage (46:03):
There's somebody on my feed, who does that all the
fucking time, he used to workwith us at GameStop. I'm not
gonna say his name. But thismotherfucker, I'm like, Dude,
you're constantly posted abouthow your life sucks, and how
everything could be better. Andlike, all this time you're
wasting posting, you could betrying to make a change, I get
it, you were dealt a fucked uphand, doesn't mean that's the

(46:25):
hand you got to keep. Yeah, but

Genesis (46:27):
it's harder to make the actual change, then to just get
some 10 seconds of gratificationfrom somebody telling you
something nice. So we getaddicted to that

Sage (46:39):
you got porn for that you can get gratification, their

Genesis (46:44):
sexual gratification is different from like validation
of your peers,

Sage (46:48):
no gratification, releases endorphins in your body and
actually helped make you feelbetter. And if you're sick, it
actually helps you get back gethealthier. That's true.

Genesis (46:58):
And you're also gonna get the dopamine rush from
general like nice niceties fromstrangers or otherwise.

Sage (47:06):
Somebody kind of nice to me, I don't trust them.

Genesis (47:11):
Well, you're a different breed. You're we
already found out you're amonster.

Sage (47:14):
Everybody wants something.
And I came up with this theory along time ago that people don't
accept it. But it's the honesttruth. Everybody is using
everybody. Whether you want toadmit it or not. Everybody's
your friend for a reason?

Genesis (47:32):
Well, no, I think you haven't used a little bit
because yes, that is true, Ithink. But the problem with that
just that open statement likethat, though, is the context in
which that's being pursued touse somebody sometimes

Sage (47:47):
doesn't have to be a bad way. But you're still using
somebody. Yeah. But it

Genesis (47:52):
was their intention is their intent to use somebody. I
don't think everybody's alwaysintent on using somebody.

Sage (47:59):
Let's, let's say I was a super depressed person. And it
mean, you met, and I knew peoplearound you made me feel less
depressed. So I actively wentout on weight to hang out around
you. That's me using you for myown goal. Yes. It's no detriment
to you, but I'm still using it.

Genesis (48:16):
But it's also not maniacal in in intent.

Sage (48:19):
Nobody, just because it doesn't matter what because I
say using does not mean it hasto be maniacal.

Genesis (48:24):
Right. But I want to yeah, by the way, I took that
staple when he just said it was

Sage (48:28):
like everybody else. Like I said, everybody thinks that
no, that's not like them likeNo, everybody's using everybody.
It's just it's, it's the truth.
It doesn't have to be foranything bad. You're 100% using
people.

Genesis (48:40):
But we Yeah, but we rely on each other as humans
like. It's just in our nature todo that.

Sage (48:47):
Well, Rick's not human, so

Genesis (48:48):
what's the problem. But you can also say the same that
with technology, we become soreliant on it, for happiness,
that it is pulling away from thehappiness we got from each
other.

Sage (49:04):
We come back, we become reliant on technology for way
more than happiness. Literally.
If a giant EMP hit and knockedout all electrical devices, we
wouldn't know what the fuck todo. I mean, maybe some of the
factors themself. But for themost part, we know whether the
next day people wouldn't be ableto some people wouldn't be able

(49:26):
to eat some people wouldn't beable to sleep. Sure,

Genesis (49:31):
but but we'd like we just talked about what social
media like most of I'm trying tothink of a technology that maybe
there isn't but there's the prosand cons tend to cancel each
other out, remain in ourbaseline. So there's no real
happiness gain and a lot ofthese things. So like yeah,
social media is great because wecan connect with people. But

(49:54):
then there's also the negativesof that, you know, you can get
bullied canceled or All peoplecan connect with people. Yeah,
the internet is great we canlearn anything we can have
anything answered in 10 secondsless than 10 seconds number
encyclopedias

Sage (50:13):
or in Carter

Genesis (50:15):
only had a three well

Sage (50:18):
thank you had to buy him by the letter was

Genesis (50:22):
my you get you can get a for free but the restaurant
call you cost you $100 A letter?

Sage (50:27):
And then by the time you get them they were probably
outdated.

Genesis (50:34):
I had created, all right,

Sage (50:36):
like, how can technology information has become almost a
new currency. And it moves sofucking fast that there's no
paper that we're able to keep upwith it. But at the same time,
because of that. I feel like asa society, we might have
regressed a little because let'slook at the whole Black Lives

(51:00):
Matter movement. If you reallylook at it, I feel like
progress. And black communitywas actually going pretty good.
From the mid 90s. And up, thensocial media hit. And all these
pictures from places that Yeah,we didn't know what's going on.
I mean, there's always gonna bebad eggs, no matter what. We
didn't know what's going on. Butnow we know what's going on. So

(51:22):
they got to talk about it. Andthen you get people who never
grew up in that situation of adifferent race, who like oh,
well, this guy was doing hisjob. Now this is causing fucking
tension. And now we're slowlygoing back and people are
getting forced to pick sides.

Rick (51:39):
Right? I definitely agree where social media has kind of
made it where they kind ofhalted progress in it to an
extent, right? Because on onehand, you've got people who
didn't have a voice 20 yearsago, or 25 years ago, now have a
voice. And it allows people tosay whatever they want. And by

(52:00):
doing that, you now have peoplewho, you know, they may have
just been like, oh, no,everything's fine. You know,
let's just continue to makethings better for people. But
then when social media hit, younow have people like Ben
Shapiro, where their wholelivelihood is basically
debunking police brutality andshit like that, right? And it's

(52:21):
halting the conversation,because of him, and other people
like him saying shit like thatright? Now. So on one hand, it
allows people to really, trulyhave freedom of speech to an
extent, right? Like you can geton whatever platform you want.
And for the most part, you cansay whatever you want. Now, that
platform can choose whether ornot to let you say that or kick

(52:45):
you off and just kind of say,No, we don't want that here. But
for the most part, everyone hasa voice now. And I think humans
are not designed to have thatmuch input from other people
like that.

Sage (52:58):
Everybody don't deserve a voice. Let's be real.

Genesis (53:01):
No, but we're not even.
We're not even given a fightingchance against it, though. It's,
it's been dictated by news mediaoutlets, corporations, and, and
the loudest voices,

Sage (53:15):
maybe in the mainstream, but people who got real strong
beliefs, there's sites, there'sthreads, there's places where
they can go and really talkabout it with other like minded
people.

Genesis (53:28):
Yeah, again, though, you have to put that work in.
It's not. It's not though. Yes,but that's what's easier when
your phone is automaticallypushing you an article based on
an algorithm of your previoussearch histories. To just read

(53:48):
that versus to go in the extrastep and read an article, either
opposing it or just from othersources.

Sage (53:55):
Let's talk about something for a second, you get news alert
news alerts on your phone? Well,I have

Genesis (53:59):
articles that get pushed to me. Yeah, I don't have
any.

Rick (54:05):
It's like Apple news spotlight or whatever.

Sage (54:07):
Yeah, they're not gonna shut off. I don't want to see
anything in the news.

Genesis (54:12):
We got to identify that you're the outlier here. You see
this every day with everybodyyou interact with? You're not
the same as everybody. Andthat's what I want to talk about
those because, yes, it's easyfor you to say like, Yes, I can
go to this, this niche websitethat can give me what I believe
to be the truth in what'sactually going on but not

(54:34):
everybody's doing that.

Sage (54:35):
Well, it's not even about what I believe to be the truth
is the fact that just like likethey used to say back in the 96
sales today, it's it's violenceand despair is what sales you
turn on any new station is nullis never anything good.

Genesis (54:54):
If you mean to tell me that creates happiness.

Sage (54:57):
No. I don't want that.
Watch the news. I don't getalert. The only alerts I get are
Amber Alerts and those areforced upon me.

Genesis (55:07):
Yeah, and technology has created. And let's take like
social social issues off thetable for a second. And just
like general natural disasterslike you could wake up one day
hear about a tornado that hitKansas, the earthquake that hit
you know, in the Middle East orsomething that tsunami that's
fine all within the span of twohours, and you expect to be

(55:30):
happy. Or another shooting thatjust happened or this and that
like all within 24 hours, you'regetting bombarded with nothing
but bad news.

Sage (55:41):
See the here's thing No, I'm, I'm not happy that I am
grateful, because it could havebeen me.

Genesis (55:50):
That side of it for having gratefulness, like,

Sage (55:52):
Man, I'd be like, Man, I fucked up hope they are right
out here my gold toilet

Genesis (55:59):
after being a billionaire and hope my money
again, that's I don't see howit's another, you know, pro and
con thing, they cancel eachother out. And that's what I'm
seeing is a lot of these liketechnologies that we can claim
to bring happiness. But thenthere's also the negative side

(56:21):
of it. And I guess you could saythat about anything, but

Sage (56:26):
we do it to ourselves because we have the option to
just not look at it. Just likeboondock said, The Great. The
great Riley, I believe saidthis. She saw this coming, she
stayed. I saw this coming. Imoved, when does personal
accountability come into effecthere.

Rick (56:45):
No personal accountability. I mean, that
concept has been thrown out ofthe fucking window. Like I was
just talking about the whole,they were adding Deadpool one
and two and Logan to Disneyplus. And there's like a
parent's rights group that'slike, really upset that Disney
did that. And it's like peoplewill do everything. But parent

(57:09):
their children, like it'severyone else's fault, right?
Like their parental options.
They're all these things thatyou can prevent your child from
seeing this shame. And it'slike, if you're not going to do
the work necessary to protectyour child, then it's nobody's
fault. But your own. I guessthat civil

Genesis (57:27):
can be responsibility put on the other side, though,
doesn't all have to be personalaccountability. No, especially
when you're living in a worldespecially in America, where
you're living in a world wherethat's the world, that's the
reality you're living in whereyou where you get trapped into
these things. For this aspect,

Sage (57:43):
Disney was kind enough to be like, alright, you know,
we're gonna put some more maturecontent on here now that you
know, we got Fox and Marvel andshit. So when they signed in,
they get the option like, Hey,if you don't want kids watching
this, check this box. And thiswill only show up when you put
in your code to watch things.
They didn't want to do that.

Rick (58:00):
Yeah, yeah, you don't have to, you don't have to tell the
child to code. And you can. Ifthe child comes to you and says,
Hey, I'm trying to watch this,and then don't just give them
the code like actually get up,go look at what they're trying
to watch. And if you don'tapprove it, don't approve it.
And your kids probably going tostart crying. They're gonna be
upset, but like, all the fuck sowhat if you claim you want to

(58:23):
protect your child from this,then that's just something you
have to deal with.

Genesis (58:27):
So you would be okay if they put some torture porn
videos on Disney plus,

Rick (58:32):
if they own the company, if they if they own the company,
and yes, because I, between meand the girls Mom, we are
careful with what they look at.
Right? We try our best toprevent them from saying shit
like that. And yeah, everythingthat they have is locked down.
There's nothing in here thatthere isn't some sort of a
passcode to

Sage (58:53):
it. If we're keeping a straight buck. All these parents
flipping out over Disney puttinglike Daredevil and shit on
there. What they really need todo is watch their kids
Crunchyroll subscription. Andcartoons don't mean it's
cartoons. Right? Kids

Rick (59:11):
you know, I understand their kids. They may not know
certain innuendos and all thatbut a lot of Disney movies have
some really sexually shit.
Nobody.

Sage (59:22):
Original VHS case for

Genesis (59:26):
Little Mermaid Little Mermaid

Rick (59:28):
had a fucking beginning.
Yeah. Like, nobody bats and Imean, they you know, people
complain about it. Sure. Butlike, for some reason, it's
always like the cool shit thatparents want to go after and be
like, No, that's not good forchildren like Well, that's what
these ratings are for.

Sage (59:44):
I'm firm believer of fucking kids.

Rick (59:48):
I am as well for everyone else's kids except my own. I
mean, if you're listening tothis and you have a kid I mean
your kids cool too. But

Sage (59:58):
if you listen to you'd like to watch? Yeah, just don't
watch debate. Because you don'twant to. Yeah, gotta

Rick (01:00:10):
watch that. Yeah.

Sage (01:00:13):
I mean, yeah, with technology, like, you know,
Disney, for instance, they goabove and beyond, but people,
the older generation only knowthe Disney like Aladdin and
stuff like that don't understandthat they are a most time
faceted company now. So ofcourse, they're gonna have all
these different things that theybring in, they just got this new

(01:00:35):
platform to put it on. So whywould they not put it on there?
They went the extra mile to takeall their stuff off every other
platform and consolidate it foryou. And now you're complaining
because oh, well, I don't wantmy kid watching this. Well, it
was on Netflix. Did you work atNetflix?

Genesis (01:00:53):
That's what I'm talking about the pros and cons of the
technology that are there,they're cancelling each other
out. We're wasting time arguingabout what content should or
shouldn't be allowed on Disney,you know, like there's these
groups out there that are makingit a point to that that's their
topic of the day they they wantto attack, you know, right now.

(01:01:14):
And instead of like thinking ofother ways to make people
happier, in a broad sense, youknow, they think they're doing
the right thing, creating sortof a censored Disney for their
children, which would make themhappy, but they're not
considering the freedoms and thewhat that could maybe snowball

(01:01:35):
into as far as censorship. Idon't even remember the net
censorship, but it was that fromwas that Clinton, Rick? That was
signing that it was that Obama?
No, I think that was Obama

Sage (01:01:47):
net neutrality. Yeah. Oh,

Rick (01:01:48):
net neutrality. Yay. I think it was Obama. Or was it?

Sage (01:01:54):
Trump? No, no, that wasn't Trump. That was

Rick (01:01:58):
it was like at the one day like 2016. So yeah, I guess,
Obama them.

Sage (01:02:02):
And that was it. Yeah.
Yeah. Cuz Yeah,

Genesis (01:02:05):
I got close. That clock got close to beans will
censoring our internet?

Rick (01:02:11):
Well, no, no, no, because I thought net neutrality. I
mean, I could be absolutelywrong here. And this is just
like a five minute research ofnet neutrality and what it was,
I don't think it was censoringinternet. I think it was about
throttling download speeds orsomething like that for website
like, basically, they weretrying to have like an even flow

(01:02:34):
of internet to everyone, likeevery website, every domain have
equal access to equal amount ofspeed. But like,

Sage (01:02:42):
for some reason, I don't think that's what it was at all.
No, it

Genesis (01:02:45):
was that. But it also built into all of that was
basically the allowance of likemajor corporations to control
what content was going to be onthe internet, like you wouldn't
have Joe Schmo wouldn't have thecapabilities to upload a new
website kind of thing.

Sage (01:03:00):
Essentially, and I know you haven't seen this movie, but
it essentially, what wouldhappen had that one corporation
got a hold of the thing andReady Player One, right? Yeah.
Because remember, they it was noads, and they were like, Oh,
well, we're gonna take over. Andwe say we can fill up the screen

(01:03:23):
with at least 70% with adsbefore it causes seizures. I'm
like, what? Like, what? Oh, whyis that your benchmark?

Genesis (01:03:33):
Also read please go watch. Ready Player One. Solid
Snake Senate?

Rick (01:03:39):
I bet. And Gerald? Gerald who? foggers? Gerald

Sage (01:03:46):
Rivia. Yeah.

Rick (01:03:48):
That's not his name. So that? Oh, no. Sure, sure. But I
remember hearing something aboutnet neutrality. And the whole
thing was, I remember listeningto a video that was saying net
neutrality is a good thing,because it'll it allows, like

(01:04:09):
websites that actually could usethat bandwidth would actually
have access to it. Whereas youwould slow down the speeds of
some websites that actually usethe traffic for in favor of some
website that gets one click aday or some shit like that. You
know, I mean, like, it wouldkind of even things out, which
sounds good. I mean, everythingshould be fair across the board.

(01:04:31):
But I think people need to alsounderstand that not everything
is equal. This website, were onrecording, this does not get the
same traffic as Facebook. So doyou think it should have the
same you know what I mean?

Genesis (01:04:44):
I don't I have to look deeper into my assumption was
that built into it was going tomean that basically, major
corporations were going to havecontrol of the internet. And so
right you would have to gothrough right because the guy
went I don't know what the wordwas it didn't get signed into
place or whatever. Well,

Sage (01:05:05):
Fox News had controls in the internet.

Rick (01:05:07):
That's funny. Yeah, it would just be fucking Bible
study and try and rattle on.
Mike's right. Biden fall forbikes and Trump rallies all day.
But, you know, it's one of thosethings where we've talked about
this before, where people havelike this selective outrage when
it comes to everything. Peopledon't think realize how much

(01:05:31):
information Tik Tok gathers frompeople. Right? I don't know if
you've

Genesis (01:05:37):
looked at this at all, either. And it's not our country
that has that information.

Rick (01:05:42):
No, it's not our country at all right? And it's the
amount of shit that you signover to tick tock when you agree
to do you know, to download anduse their app is insane. I'll
post the link in the chat here.
When we're done recording foryou guys, listen for yourself,
but the amount of informationthat they gather from you, and I

(01:06:02):
mean, just millions of peopleuse this app. And I guarantee
you the same people thatcomplain about net neutrality.
Just have no idea what Tiktokgetting from them.

Sage (01:06:15):
Here's my question to kind of counteract that. Do you not
think that they already havethat information?

Rick (01:06:23):
Oh, no. No, they

Genesis (01:06:24):
have it right now.
Trump was trying to stop.

Sage (01:06:26):
No, no, no, I'm saying even without tic tac?

Rick (01:06:29):
No, no, no, yeah. If they want that information, they'll
get it. They'll find some way toget it. But I think

Sage (01:06:36):
I mean, let's be real, everything damn near everything
is made in China.

Rick (01:06:39):
Right. I told my mom not too long ago where, because I
was over there helping withsomething. And she I noticed she
had a piece of tape over hercamera. And so I was like, wait
a minute, don't you have tickedon? She's like, Yeah, I'm like,
all the shit you're trying tohide from that camera. They have
it on tick. Like you'veliterally agreed for them to
have this data on Tiktok. Yougot to keep that same energy

(01:07:03):
across the board. go fullthrottle, you know, put on the
tinfoil hat. Go fool. go off thegrid. And

Genesis (01:07:10):
you can request what information is out there about
you. And I remember, I think itwas a YouTube video. I watched
this lady. She had requestedthis information from a bunch of
different companies. And she gotback like fucking, and it was
two foot thick of paperwork ofall the information they had on
her and it was like, This is me.
And there's piles and piles ofpaperwork. It's ridiculous.

Sage (01:07:35):
No, it's probably just her in America.

Genesis (01:07:37):
Right? Exactly.

Sage (01:07:40):
She either had a fucking Samsung or iPhone. Okay made
here. Who you put all yourinformation there.

Rick (01:07:47):
Who was the big there was a big cell phone manufacturer? A
couple years ago that wasHuawei. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Where
they were like they were. That'sfucking hilarious. No, they,
they were like, straight up partof the Chinese government.
Although, I mean, that's, youknow, every company that's big

(01:08:09):
enough is part of the Chinesegovernment. That didn't really
count. But I think they flat outdenied that Huawei shit out in
here, because they were like,This state is straight up spying
on American citizens,

Sage (01:08:21):
because who's gonna press him? Like, no, we're not. We
approve you. We approve youdoing? No, you don't?

Genesis (01:08:29):
Yeah, let's see even more stuff that causes
unhappiness to like just thethreat of cyber terrorism's
identity theft, all the new waveof crimes that come out of the
technology we have now, I guessthat's part of the natural
evolution. But I don't think thething I'm saying is trying to
say like we should do away withtechnology, but I think we're
using the tools wrong. That's Ithink my main point that I'm

(01:08:53):
trying to reach here in thatwe're not seeing much gain in
happiness, because a lot oftimes these things cancel each
other out. Or in just ourconsumerist nature where you
want to buy the next new thing.
And then that happiness like Isaid, with that is that your
happiness goes away very quick.
You buy a new couch it's howlong does that last before

(01:09:14):
you're over it or before thathappiness wears away from that
purchase?

Sage (01:09:18):
I'm not at I've never been happy buying a piece of
furniture

Genesis (01:09:22):
no new phone. I mean, I got this new couch I

Rick (01:09:25):
was pretty happy about Yeah, I was about to say how
long because I was happy when Ibought my first couch from my
first apartment. I was very muchfor it like yeah, this my would

Sage (01:09:33):
have been I wouldn't accept it. I would have accepted
you have when you bought yourfirst house or your first
apartment, okay? That becausethe happiness furniture to go
inside of it. No, I'm okay.

Rick (01:09:44):
I understand where you're coming from though, because I
definitely get it becausethere's some people that I know
that I'm close with wherethey're excited about everything
that they get. Whereas I'm like,Dude, it's just

Genesis (01:09:55):
like I'm definitely addicted to shopping. So like
any new purchase gets meexcited. Yeah, I know that about
you.

Rick (01:10:00):
Yeah, I'm definitely,

Sage (01:10:02):
that's your form of, you know, seeing the outside world.

Rick (01:10:07):
Well, what do they call a retail therapy?

Genesis (01:10:14):
But Rick, I guess Yeah, cuz you could probably relate
then because how soon after youbuy the new thing? Does that
happiness? Go? You just boughtthe steam deck, right? Yeah. Is
that happiness still there? Iknow, it's still fairly recent,
but

Rick (01:10:26):
it will, you know, and honestly, when I buy any new
technology, most of the time,the happiness wears off within
like a day, maybe two, the onlytime where the happiness has
stayed when I got the first Xbox360. I mean, I was fucking in
love with that thing for like, amonth.

Sage (01:10:47):
See? And that's what I would say. I would say, as far
as retail therapy goes, the waythat you're phrasing it. I will
say video games would be theonly thing for me. And I think
most of us would agree withthat, because we're all super
hyped and happy for the the newgame that comes out. And we're
planning we're planning, butthen the second, some new and
shiny is out, we've kind offorget about that.

Rick (01:11:08):
Oh, yeah. And you both know how bad I am with that.

Genesis (01:11:11):
And the problem is, it doesn't it's a spike, right? If
you're thinking about it on likea graph of happiness, and you
have your baseline of happiness,and you make that purchase the
new shiny game, you get a spike.
But that doesn't contribute toraising the baseline at all. It
just you just peak. And then yougo back to your baseline. And
the studies have shown that weactually go back super fast to

(01:11:32):
where there's no real benefit inyour overall happiness, your
overall happiness over yourentire lifespan. It doesn't
contribute much to anything. Oh,no,

Sage (01:11:43):
I think I think Elder marine raised baseline a lot.

Genesis (01:11:48):
Are you gonna say when it was over with and you're
like, Damn, that's I'm nevergoing to experience that. And
again,

Sage (01:11:54):
yeah, because I, I can honestly say I got amazing joy
out of Elden ring, revenueVillage. And I'm just trying to
think of the recent games. Ithink really just those two
recently, like games I reallyjust thoroughly enjoyed and
really made me happy to playevery game momentarily.

Genesis (01:12:16):
Media I think can probably last a little longer.
Your new phone, you got yourfold phone. Do you still open
that thing up and like, Goddamn, this feels so good that I
got it's just like data centerday, one purchase of it.

Sage (01:12:32):
Hey, I just found out it's a beast, it fell out of a moving
car getting.

Genesis (01:12:40):
The fucker was aerodynamic. It was like it
turned into a drone. One of theother things I wanted to talk
about as far as how technologycan lead to unhappiness is and
this is something I've beenactually looking into fairly
recently, because it's somethingthat happens with me. And I'm
curious what happens to youguys, but I'll start just by
saying sleep deprivation when itcomes to technology. Do you guys

(01:13:03):
find yourself in the day, sortof rabbit holing on YouTube or
scrolling tic tac or Facebook?
Way past your bedtime?

Rick (01:13:13):
Oh, dude, one of my biggest problems is, I think we
talked about it before inanother episode, where I'll
randomly wake up at 3am everyday. If nine out of 10 times
when I wake up at 3am. I rollover, I will grab my phone and I
will just I don't know, eithereither YouTube or Twitter and

Sage (01:13:39):
a lot of strange behavior you inadvertently trained
yourself

Rick (01:13:43):
to do Oh, yeah, like I could stop for sure. I mean, I
don't think it's something thatI necessarily have to do.
Because I'm starting to realizethat, you know, the older I'm
getting, the more sleep I needto get. And 10 years ago, I can
handle working off of four hoursasleep now. Jesus man, like I'm

(01:14:03):
wiped by two or three o'clock.

Genesis (01:14:07):
Yeah, but are you forcing yourself to stay awake
to interact with whatever thing

Rick (01:14:11):
do right? That's the difference? No, I'm not forcing
myself to stay awake. I justhappen to wake up and look at
it.

Sage (01:14:18):
And say and again, I'm on the other end of the spectrum.
Because I can't sleep without aTV

Rick (01:14:25):
on or I can't sleep with the TV on either. i Sorry, I
can't sleep without a TV on.

Genesis (01:14:30):
So then says do you run into like, oh, just one more
episode. And then I'll go tosleep or just one more and then
then you kind of get locked in?

Sage (01:14:38):
No, because I know it's 3am I know me which is why I
don't watch anime after acertain time. And if I'm
whatever I put on TV, that's whyI've watched bones and and
Castle in elementary so manytimes because I can just roll
over and I can hear it and Ialready know what's going on. It

(01:14:58):
just silences The demons givesmy brain some swag. Asleep.
Because otherwise, that throughgrade school in high school, my
parents would let me sleep withthe TV on. And I had insomnia. I
could never go to sleep beforefive, six in the morning. And it
was fucking annoying. I couldnot figure out why. Then I just

(01:15:19):
started trying to sleep the TVon and start getting the best
sleep I've ever had. I was like,Well, I guess this is it.

Genesis (01:15:24):
Yeah, I was saying for me when I'm like, Okay, I'm not
constantly, especially as a kid,I was afraid I was gonna
accidentally sell my soul to thedevil. And so like I needed the
TV.

Sage (01:15:34):
Like, what? You're not just gonna gloss over that?

Rick (01:15:42):
Yeah,

Genesis (01:15:44):
I was afraid that the devil was gonna steal my soul
accident, like I wasaccidentally gonna say yes. And
then he was gonna steal my soul.

Sage (01:15:52):
I mean, why was he there?
He's everywhere. According tothe religions.

Genesis (01:15:59):
I know that's a real fear of mine.

Rick (01:16:01):
I have the same thing. Not the selling my soul to the devil
hold the vote. That's about butI think for me, it's more
aligned with sages thought oflike, we've talked about this
before where I have really goodhearing. And when I'm laying
down in the bed at night, andit's pitch black, I hear

(01:16:22):
everything I'm talking. I hearshit crawling around, like I
hear shit. Across the street. Ihear everything. And because I'm
dialed into that sound, itsounds like no, not not that but
it sounds like it's much closerthan it probably is. So it kind
of amps me up a little bit moreso.

Sage (01:16:45):
Well, yeah, cuz that's a form of deprivation. You know,
you're sitting in a pure blackroom, you're essentially losing
one of your senses. So yourother senses are compensating?
Like, have you ever been layingthere in bed? And you got your
TV on and you like man shit loudfuck and you roll over and it's
only like two.

Rick (01:17:06):
Now, speaking of what you said about the TV at for me,
it's the same three showsbecause the same thing if I go
to lay down and watch a show,right now, I'm gonna be like one
more. One more. One more for me.
It's always either. It's AlwaysSunny in Philadelphia. Seinfeld,
or what's the the league?

Sage (01:17:28):
See? I can't watch it.
They have to be at least an hourlong beach.

Rick (01:17:32):
Oh, see? I didn't play and I'm out.

Genesis (01:17:36):
I'm half hour ones. And you got to listen to the fucking
theme opener and all that.

Sage (01:17:41):
And then the only three or four and then it shuts off like
yeah, you're watching me, right?

Rick (01:17:49):
It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia has the most
obnoxious intro song ever. Andlike, Dude, I do my dad. This
probably was 10 years ago. Mydad was sleeping upstairs. And
he's a truck driver and I hadit's always sunny on this man
with almost kicked my door downbecause I had the valium on like

(01:18:11):
four. But the the damn intro isso loud. They really need to fix
the levels lytchett Like you'llhave it on for where they're
talking. And it's super quiet.
But the intro is all like 1000like, bro, who the fuck edits
this? Like? Where's the balanceon that? What are you

Genesis (01:18:29):
doing? Right, exactly.

Sage (01:18:31):
Only show I tried to watch that's in my rope. Well used to
be in my rotation. Not used to Itried to get into my rotation
was a scorpion. I don't know ifyou ever watched the show

Genesis (01:18:41):
before. Never watch. I know. It's a hacker show.

Sage (01:18:44):
Yeah, dude, it's so octane driven. I can't even sit there
and with my eyes closed and backturn to even though I know
what's going on. Like I noticingsome coolest fuck is about to
happen. I need to turn aroundand look at this initial

Genesis (01:18:57):
head uncharacteristically way too
good looking people and I'mlike, I'm not watching this dumb
shit. Right? They all lookpretty.

Rick (01:19:08):
Like you to have attractive to be this smart.

Genesis (01:19:11):
Well, not. Yeah. Not too smart. Because they were
hack look. And then you know,I'm pretty smart. Well, no,

Rick (01:19:17):
but they were hackers.
Right? I mean, yeah, hackers.

Sage (01:19:20):
It is possible, supposedly, based on a real
person. I looked up the realperson. They bumped up his IQ
for the show. Yeah, WalterO'Brien

Genesis (01:19:34):
so, so well, just sleep deprivation. So we're actually
on average, as people weregetting around two hours less
sleep than per night on averagethan we did 40 years ago, 30
years ago, 20 years ago, but ourneed for sleep hasn't
diminished. So we're actuallywe're on average, across the

(01:19:55):
board. We're losing more sleepthan we actually did, which I'm
sure you can imagine can lead toadditional physical problems or
even psychological to theinteresting thing that I found
because I will stay up laterthan I should you know a lot of
times and I lose a lot of sleepbecause all either scrolling tic
tac and you get lost in that orI'm rabbit holing on YouTube,
and then you like, oh, I'll justlet me just watch this one more

(01:20:17):
video. And then it's fucking forhim. And like, what the fuck
happened?

Sage (01:20:20):
Don't lie up on page 75 of Pornhub.

Genesis (01:20:23):
I will need to get that far. It's usually page one. All
right.

Sage (01:20:29):
No, I've already seen that midget porn.

Genesis (01:20:35):
It's little porn. Yeah.
It's little

Rick (01:20:37):
people poor.

Sage (01:20:41):
I don't want to know search history.

Genesis (01:20:44):
No, you don't. So now there's this new term that
they've coined up and they'rethey're doing studies on this,
that actually seems to make alot of sense, at least for my
circumstance. So it sounds likeyou guys might not really fall
into the same trap that I do.
But it's called Revenge. Bedtime, procrastination. You guys
heard of that? At all?

Sage (01:21:04):
No, no, but I think I have a rebuttal for this once you say
what you're about to say,

Genesis (01:21:09):
okay. So generally speaking, what that means is
going to bed later thanintended, while nothing external
is accountable for doing so it'sbasically you going bad later
due to your own account, andwhat they're kind of finding in
this. And it's this newphenomenon that they're seeing,

(01:21:29):
especially built on totechnology, because the
technology is what's keeping usawake. But also contributing
factors like work from home,where we lose a certain sense of
control in our day to day lives.
Like during the day, we go towork, we're in less control of
our own freedoms. And so we takerevenge on the day, by staying

(01:21:49):
up later when we have our owntime to have that freedom. So
you try to grasp on to as manyminutes as you can late at
night, and you end up fuckingyourself over essentially,
because now you're just deprivedthe next day of the sleep that
you needed. So I thought thatwas really interesting, because
I'm like, that totally explainsit. You know, like, I'm sitting

(01:22:11):
in front of the computer everyday without much change. And I'm
taking revenge on the day,because that's my time for
freedom. So I don't want it toend. And I keep going and keep
going.

Sage (01:22:22):
That's fair. That makes sense to me. But then I guess
this isn't really rebuttal. Butfor me, I forget what it was. It
was a long as time ago, I thinkit was like 17 or something I
was reading a study. And theyprove that if you can get
through one REM cycle asleep,which is normally roughly about

(01:22:44):
two hours, maybe three hours,your body, it's you can get up
and work eight to 810 hoursperfectly fine and not be tired.
So that's I tried to get morethan that. But honestly, that's
around what I get on an app on anightly basis.

Genesis (01:23:02):
Yeah, and the thing is, though, that people are
different, though. So it doesn'twork for everybody. But

Sage (01:23:06):
what I tend to do is because I know sometimes I can't
fall asleep, and I'm just there.
I'll make up for it on theweekends. So I was asleep. 1012
hours on the

Genesis (01:23:15):
weekend street. You bank it right.

Sage (01:23:19):
And then the MB couldn't

Genesis (01:23:20):
think they said like the VINCI you'd like he would
sleep 15 minutes every otherhour or something like that. And
that's what he would. You know,there was no crazy downtime, but
I know the REM sleep is prettyimportant. That's where dreams
happen. Which is probably whyyou don't dream sage.

Sage (01:23:37):
Yeah, okay. Somebody do it.

Rick (01:23:39):
If Yeah, it's possible.

Genesis (01:23:42):
Isn't there an episode of Seinfeld? Rick, where Kramer?
Is sleep schedule like that?
Yeah,

Rick (01:23:48):
he had a mental alarm clock, I think where he was like
waking himself up using hismental alarm clock. I don't
think there was anything aboutdreams though.

Genesis (01:24:00):
Dreams, but like sleeping one, one hour every
couple hours or only threehours. Every couple of days. I
thought he did

Rick (01:24:06):
something like, you know, actually, that does kind of
sound familiar.

Sage (01:24:09):
I mean, it works. But yeah, like yesterday, though,
like the night before, I wasonly able to get two hours of
sleep. And for the first time,in maybe 15 years. I had a
headache. And it was because Iwas actually tired. I didn't
know what it was. So I was like,fuck, let me go to sleep. And
then I woke up and it was like Isaid, I don't get headaches. So

(01:24:30):
that was weird.

Genesis (01:24:31):
Sleep is good. We need sleep. So if you can imagine all
the stimulus that we can getfrom rabbit holing on tic tac
and YouTube and all that I mixedwith, you know, that being our
personal freedom for some of us,like myself at the end of the
day, you know, and then we'resleep deprived, which is going
to lead to a lot of healthissues, mental and physical. So

(01:24:55):
it's, again, technology ishitting an avenue of
unhappiness. And that's it.

Sage (01:25:01):
Well, if you can't sleep, you can always drink a nightcap,
Scott or night cat for a reason.

Genesis (01:25:04):
That's true.

Rick (01:25:06):
Oh, I definitely learned that very recently. Well, yeah,
you did. I mean, I asked youguys straight up like, hey, does
this mean on my alcoholic? Like,I don't know if I should be
doing this? Is this like stepone into a meeting or

Sage (01:25:22):
that's the thing like if you're only having like one,
maximum two drinks before you goto bed. Not only I feel like
that's fine. Yeah, and it'sactually good for you. Well, if
you're fucking drinking half abottle before you go to bed
every night, we'll write

Rick (01:25:36):
right not not only am I having one cup, but the alcohol
contents in that one cup. It'slike you're drinking back and
calm down. It's like, it's like,I'll pour the bottle is like
dribble. And then that's it.
Like it's literally less thanlike 1% alcohol

Genesis (01:25:55):
of yours, man. You can hear it that precise. Thought
you were tired

Unknown (01:26:00):
of alcohol. Yeah.

Sage (01:26:03):
I woke up is like, almost a full cup of 100 and some proof
bourbon.

Genesis (01:26:08):
No. Yeah. That might be a little excessive for a
nightcap.

Sage (01:26:13):
Not to meet a fuck out.

Genesis (01:26:16):
That's that's, that's going above the like health
benefits.

Sage (01:26:20):
How was that? How's that any different than me taking
drugs to go to sleep? These ninepeople who rely on Tylenol pm
every night to go sleep?

Genesis (01:26:30):
Yeah, no. Shouldn't do that either.

Sage (01:26:32):
I mean, that's what it was great for.

Genesis (01:26:34):
It will mean. That doesn't mean Hey,

Sage (01:26:40):
yeah, we'll take melatonin and go sleep.

Genesis (01:26:43):
That's what isn't melatonin and natural substance.

Sage (01:26:46):
You still overdose on the natural assessment? Well,

Genesis (01:26:49):
yeah, I mean, that's the rule of thumb, like, too
much of anything is bad. Right?
technology and how it interruptsor interacts with, you know,
even just the relationships witharound us your personal
relationships. You know, wecreate with this technology out
of these technologies is itremoves focus from maybe things

(01:27:10):
that are more important, likeyour relationship or, you know,
not not necessarily like,boyfriend, girlfriend, but just
your relationship with you know,other humans. We lose focus, and
lose, you know, maybe theattention that's needed for
those technologies and bebeneficial

Sage (01:27:32):
technologies. 100% made me a demon in that aspect. Yeah,
cuz I remember loving to talk onthe phone. Then texting came
out. Right now if you call me Iwant to strangle you. I said it
before I was talking to Dannyabout another logo. I feel like

(01:27:52):
if you call me you're holding mehostage. There is nothing that
important that you can send thema text unless you're on a
deathbed. Do not pick up thephone and down.

Rick (01:28:03):
That is funny. Yeah, no, I, I don't know if I'm the same.
I usually like to talk on thephone. It just, it depends on
what I'm doing. You lay on yourstomach and kick your feet up.
Oh, my God. Yeah. For

Genesis (01:28:16):
you, but how often are you doing it? So that's the
thing, though, because we'll allright, that, you know, there's
research that shows that, youknow, in order to like,
experience, true happiness orfeelings of joy, it requires a
focused attention to do that.
And if you have all theseoutside things, you know, like

(01:28:37):
that quick dopamine hit to watchtic tac or answer a text message
or send a message or buysomething on Amazon, all these
all these fucking things thatare taking you away from
focusing your attention onsomething that actually matters,
or that can contribute to youroverall happiness, which could
be love, compassion, justgeneral relationship, you know,

(01:28:58):
all that stuff? You know, we'relosing out on the focused
attention on the things thatmatter.

Sage (01:29:06):
Yes, and yes and no. 100% what you're saying? But have you
ever experienced the joy ofshopping while you were drunk?
And I don't mean like in person.
I mean, like Amazon shoppingwhen you're drunk, and I don't
mean just call me tipsy. I mean,drunk.

Genesis (01:29:29):
I don't think I've ever done that. But I feel like I
remember you doing Did you buylike a new washing machine or

Sage (01:29:35):
buy so much shit when I'm drunk? And it's great because I
forget about it the next day. Sothen three, four days later, I
get packages. And I'm like, oh,what dropped me think I need it.
Oh, this is great.

Genesis (01:29:47):
Oh, so it's always worked out.

Sage (01:29:50):
Great. You're looking out for me.

Genesis (01:29:55):
What's good? Yeah, it's like you're your own personal
algorithm when you're drunk. Youjust know All

Sage (01:30:01):
right, that's great drunk drunk. You always got you. Like,
you've been going back and forthabout getting a graphics card
for four months. Now. You get ahammer when I order it and in
your head you're still thinkingthe next couple days, man, I
should probably get this. Ishould probably get this. Then
it shows up like that I getthis.

Genesis (01:30:18):
Me I just buy everybody video games when I get drunk.
And then I'm like, fuck. Thatinstant just for one hour again,
place when $100 on you guysholes.

Rick (01:30:30):
Cheese. Well, we gotta be assholes.

Genesis (01:30:33):
Well, I really want me to

Sage (01:30:35):
go into that. Yeah, no response. No,

Genesis (01:30:40):
I've got a lot. I've got a lot of things that helped
me with that argument. Now.

Rick (01:30:47):
I wonder if they'll treat me better at Nerd adulti? If you
bring them up? They need tostart and do they have a Patreon
they need just add me to thatship. But no, um, that's fine.

Genesis (01:31:04):
But does do you think that makes sense, though, as far
as like, if we're constantlybeing interrupted in our tension
is being pulled in so manydifferent ways? Does that mean
we cannot experience truehappiness? Or even like love? In
that sense? Does love go away?

Sage (01:31:20):
I'm gonna say no, because like you said, Everybody's
different. Some people thriveoff of chaos, they enjoy the
chaos. Like they enjoy the factthat, oh, they can't just focus
on one thing, they have to beworking on three different
things at that same time forthem to really to, for them to
really, truly feel fulfilled andwhatnot.

Genesis (01:31:41):
But what kind of person would be compatible with a
person like that, then?

Sage (01:31:46):
Somebody who, like if you have a person who's like that,
the other person has to besomebody who's not who is
single, single minded andfocused, but they have to
understand the type person thatthey're with. It's asking a lot,
and it's just No, not really,it's just a relationship. Like,
give and take. You can't go inlike if you know, this person is
XYZ, you come in knowing thatand then you're like, alright,

(01:32:09):
well, we're gonna have to changethis. I'm like, Well, why did
you even bother coming in?

Genesis (01:32:13):
I think we need to do another whole other topic on
love. Because I think there'sdefinitely a lot to explore
there. Because what you'redescribing is like opposites
attract, right. And it's not

Sage (01:32:24):
opposite of track as far as so you just need it's a yin
and yang, you need somebody tobring you to bring you in.

Genesis (01:32:29):
Yeah, but I feel like that can lead to resentment. If
there's not full understanding,

Sage (01:32:34):
it should have been full understanding out the gate.
That's why That's why I'm a firmbeliever of not meeting my
representative, you get me fromday one. Sure, sure. You
shouldn't be understanding rightout the gate. Like, this is me,
this is what I like to do.

Genesis (01:32:48):
Like, I think I can die. I think that's okay, but
over repeated.

Sage (01:32:53):
And that's what I'm saying. Like, as we as we get
older and grow together, I candial back on some of those, I'm
still gonna do, but I can dialback on I'm sure they'll
accommodate for you. Just likeyou can understand that when I
need to do XYZ. I just need todo it. And just let me be Yeah.

Genesis (01:33:08):
And I mean, like, I don't think you need to be
completely 100% similar andevery like, I think there should
be, you know, sort of thisgrowth together

Sage (01:33:15):
is actually like a tic tac. I was watching the other
day. This dude's in the garage,working on his car. And his wife
comes in, she's like, I'm notwe're married. I think you
should sell the car so we couldspend more time together. And a
guy come from underneath thecar, who's like, You're starting
to sound like my ex wife rightnow. And she was like, I didn't

(01:33:36):
know you were married before hewas like, I wasn't
I was dying. laughing.

Rick (01:33:48):
You know what? I'm starting to think if we do
another topic based on love. I'mwondering if I could slip in
some would you rather thanthere, you know, in a love
episode. Yeah. I think I got afew BurlON right now.

Genesis (01:34:00):
I think you should save those for episode. 100.

Rick (01:34:04):
All right. You're gonna give me another Would You
Rather?

Genesis (01:34:09):
Oh, there's absolutely going to be a part three. Yeah,
those are kind of like iconicmilestone episodes.

Rick (01:34:15):
Oh, man. The Reckoning.
The Reckoning.

Genesis (01:34:19):
The Reckoning? Yeah. I was just gonna say I don't know
if I get a sense from you guys.
If you believe that. We are lesshappy in this age of technology,
though. Sounds like you guysmight think that. No, we're
actually we're not less happy.
We're happy if not happier withtechnology.

Sage (01:34:37):
We're complacent at best.

Rick (01:34:38):
Yeah, I definitely agree with it being 5050. I think
technology has made thingsbetter in a lot of ways. But I
also think it's made things alot worse. There are people that
really should not have a voice.
I know that sounds a littlefascist.

Genesis (01:34:55):
It's only one very small part of technology though.

Rick (01:34:59):
Oh, Altru Right, right. I think it's in the same vein as
this might be rough, but it's inthe same vein as toxic
masculinity, right? Well, Ithink there are far better
things that have been given tohumanity with technology. But
there's also a fair amount ofbad things to like things and we
probably should not have. So in

Genesis (01:35:21):
that response, then what do you think we need to do
to ensure that we can go in apositive direction with
technology versus one thatcreates unhappiness as we
continue to go on or even justcomplacency? Because we want to
just don't want anything toinhibit? Happiness,

Sage (01:35:39):
the status quo is gonna stay the same. It's literally
until the next big thing comesout. And when I say big thing, I
mean big like when the internetfirst hit it, the status quo is
gonna stay the exact same.

Genesis (01:35:53):
Like, if I'm asking what, what can people do, given
what we have now? I mean,Sage's, you're pretty good at
avoiding a lot of the negativitythat comes out of technology. So
like, what's your advice topeople to not get locked into
the unhappiness that technologycould bring?

Sage (01:36:10):
Just be selfish? Stop giving a fuck about everybody
else? And focus on yourself?
Because no, I don't think Iagree with that. Yeah. How can
you expect to truly be happy? Ifyou can't even be happy by
yourself?

Rick (01:36:24):
You know,

Sage (01:36:26):
if you have to look for outside sources to make you
happy, then you need to take astep back and look inside.

Genesis (01:36:32):
I don't know if selfishness needs to be the only
quality though.

Sage (01:36:36):
Yeah, you have to be. You have to be selfish. Everybody
claims to be selfish, butnobody's actually selfish
because they care too much aboutwhat other people think about
getting that like, or makingsure they look good net picture
for somebody or

Genesis (01:36:49):
someone no, that sounds like selfishness to me.

Sage (01:36:52):
Fuck off. No, I mean, it is but you're still doing it for
to gratitude for early. Like ifyou want to look good, look good
for yourself. Like who get it,but I think

Genesis (01:37:03):
there's a nugget of wisdom wrapped in that third,
but there's some polishing needsto be done

Sage (01:37:09):
copying, copying, confident and being selfish.
That's what I do.

Genesis (01:37:15):
See, you have this weird way stage of using very
negative terminology to producesomething positive. So it's very
troubling and challenging toreally discern what you're
getting at. And I think I kindof understand it. But I think
that's where you want to workon.

Sage (01:37:32):
No, I'm okay. Yeah,

Genesis (01:37:35):
you're perfect specimen.

Sage (01:37:36):
No, I have my own flaws.
But I know my flaws because Ispent enough time by myself to
understand what I like and don'tlike, because I was selfish
enough to be like, You knowwhat, fuck this. Yeah, I need to
learn how to be happy with justme.

Genesis (01:37:51):
I don't know, I feel like, if I lived in a society
where everybody was all selfish,I wouldn't be able to trust
anybody. And I need to trustpeople.

Sage (01:37:59):
See, and that's the thing, you're selfish until you reach
that point. Once you reach thatpoint to where you know what you
like, what you don't like whatyou are willing to put up with,
and are what really makes youtick, as, as a person. Once you
get that down, then you can goout into the world. And if you
want to care about somebody, youcan, if you want to help people,

(01:38:20):
you can you can do whatever youwant, but it still won't impact
on your inner on your happiness,because you know what you need?

Genesis (01:38:27):
Sure. And I think most people do that. They just do it
spread out over the time spreadout through the other.

Sage (01:38:33):
No. Bullshit. Most people go on Facebook, like, Hey, I'm
about to clear out my friendslist if you make the cut. Sorry.
I mean, congratulations, if youdidn't fuck you pay right or or
not to come at Rick. But peopledo that to like, Hey, I'm
disappearing for social media 30days, or for a year? Just Just
do it. Don't know. Now I didn'tneed it. Oh, no, just

Rick (01:38:57):
I agree with you. Because that's my philosophy on
everything, essentially, whereI'm not gonna announce how I'm
doing it. The only thing Iactually announced is the social
media hiatus because the firsttime I did it, I deleted the
app. And then I came back 30days later, and there was I had
a few messages from people thatwere like, Yo, what the fuck why

(01:39:18):
Why aren't you responding? Whyaren't you in? And I mean,

Sage (01:39:22):
you can use that as a social experiment, though to do
you think about if you justdisappear for office or social
media, the people who reallycare about you are going to find
a way to get in contact withyou.

Rick (01:39:33):
Yeah, and now I've actually toyed with the idea of
deleting Facebook altogether, orbecause now all it really has
become it's just me looking atmemes and sharing pictures of
the girls specifically forfamily. But like 99% of the
people on my Facebook friends, Iwill never message them. I will
never Oh yeah, I'll likewhenever I come across. If I

(01:39:57):
come across something. A lot ofpeople are interesting. To me,
but a lot of people on myFacebook or any social media, I
were never going to talk. I'm

Sage (01:40:09):
never I'm there strictly for the means. I think that for
me that just kind of carriedover because like, I never got
wrapped up into the wholereality TV hype either. I always
thought that shit was stupid anddumb and boring to me.

Genesis (01:40:21):
I don't need some reality TV.

Sage (01:40:22):
I don't give a fuck what's going on in your life? That does
not affect me one bit.

Rick (01:40:28):
I think I liked reality TV. It was a very short lived
time period. And I think I wasjust into like real world for
like a super I think when theycame to Chicago.

Sage (01:40:39):
I've never I can honestly say I've never watched an
episode of railroad Yeah, theonly reality TV I was at baby
and I call it reality TV. Butour fucking like competition for
like singing and America's GotTalent. Oh, watch that just
because I like to see fuckingcool shit.

Rick (01:40:58):
America's Got Talent is pretty decent, though. Like,
I've seen that. But I wouldn't

Genesis (01:41:02):
consider that reality TV although it I mean, it is
kind of in the same bubble, butvery different than general
reality TV.

Rick (01:41:09):
Right? Right. To me, those shows are okay, but I haven't
followed America's got ourAmerican Idol since like the
first or second season maybeAmerican Idol. And that
completely died off but so

Sage (01:41:23):
he got canceled and then brought back for some reason.
Yeah, but every generation hasthat show because you think
about it before American Idol.
There was Star Search right nowand then now that American Idol
kind of fell off. AGT took over.
So yeah, what's gonna be in thenext show?

Rick (01:41:40):
Why did I keep trying?
Yeah, I thought the Mask Singerwas kind of taken off a little
bit. But that didn't reallymatter.

Sage (01:41:46):
Singer was cool. The actually I watched it, but I
knew who the fucking singer wasthe first season. It was so
goddamn obvious. I knew who thesinger was because I heard his
voice and like, yeah, of course.
How do you not know who the fuckthis is? Although,

Genesis (01:42:00):
that shows the perfect hook because it's like you only
really care about what's underthe mask. And so then you're
stuck watching the fucking 45minutes, you get to that point,
if anything

Sage (01:42:09):
to show that I thought was good. Granted, I haven't watched
a single episode yet. It waskind of like the masked singer.
But instead of it being a maskedsinger, the entire person was
virtual. Oh, so they were justoffstage somewhere just singing
that song. And I felt like thatwould be better for people who
are scared who have stage frightor something like that. Like it,

(01:42:30):
you're not actually on stage.
Right? And you can let your realtalent go and see how people
really feel about you.

Genesis (01:42:37):
Yeah, so making people better. Did you have any advice?
Or no? Are we done

Rick (01:42:45):
advice to make people better? Or happier?

Genesis (01:42:49):
To make people happier?
And how we utilize technology?
You said, a good thing you saidwas going on? A social media
blackout period or somethinglike that?

Rick (01:43:00):
Yeah, I mean, I think the same with everything.
Moderation. Don't go overboardwith it. Don't wake up every
waking minute on social media.
The last girl that I was talkingto one of the main reasons why
we stopped talking was everytime I was over there, she just
had her face buried in herphone. You know, like, right,
like, we get to talk, I can havea conversation. I like to talk
to people I like to get to knowpeople. But I didn't come over

(01:43:23):
here to just hear tech talks andshit all day. So like, chill
out. Well, that's, you know,that's later. But like interact
with people like actually engagewith other humans outside of the
devices.

Sage (01:43:42):
You know what annoys me more than anything? Like when
you're out to eat? Then you lookover and you see like maybe
maybe it's their first date orsecond date or something like
that. And the girls like oh,when the food comes out don't
even have to take a picture page

Rick (01:43:58):
that's never happened to me.

Genesis (01:43:59):
I didn't know is

Sage (01:44:00):
you like why why why? I don't like I said before I sent
him I do not understand hisfascination of having to put
every facet of your life onlinefor everybody to see.

Genesis (01:44:17):
Find out just right here give me so hard I don't
know.

Sage (01:44:23):
It's like why do I care what you're like, oh, this meal
was so good. Let me take apicture of it. But how do you
know what's good? You can eat itYeah. She could be fucking
trash.

Genesis (01:44:33):
It's funny because you said it wasn't even like

Sage (01:44:35):
you know just when I when I see it.

Genesis (01:44:38):
It's like just you're seeing it. Other people should
so you're trying to not takeinterest in somebody else's life
yet you kind of are becauseyou're drawn in by the annoyance
the pet peeve that you alreadyhave some fucking strangers on
what they're doing with theirlife. Surprise you're not into
reality TV based off of that

Sage (01:44:59):
because that would Just given knowing

Genesis (01:45:01):
exactly. Oh, I think those are some good points. I
mean, there's a certain sense.
It's something I'm trying towork on is, you know, just being

Sage (01:45:14):
me like, why take the picture though she may make it.
What the fuck she and cookiechanging shit. But if you if you
were the chef, I get it. Youmade a creation. That's your
art. That makes sense.

Genesis (01:45:24):
Yeah, but are the cameras on our phones now make
these pictures look so pretty.

Sage (01:45:32):
Alright, I'm done. I'm done. Yeah.

Genesis (01:45:36):
I think you've just got to be mindful of what you're
doing. It's easy to spin out ofcontrol with two hours of binge
tick tacking, or YouTube rabbitholing? Or getting your
attention pulled away in so manydifferent directions. And you
just have to be in the moment inthe present and see is what

(01:46:01):
you're doing. Is thisproductive? What am I gaining
out of this? Is there anythingthat can contribute to my
overall level of happiness fromthe current thing that I'm
doing? And I think with thatsort of understanding, you might
be able to identify some areasof improvement.

Sage (01:46:18):
Yeah. Which leads me to, and I want you guys to really
think about this. And this mighthit a little bit closer to home
for Rick. Oh, God. Because Ibroached this topic last night,
when an ex Xbox party. Andagain, in Rick's case, you don't
have to imagine but imagine youhad a daughter. Okay? Imagine

(01:46:41):
had a daughter in this day andage? Would you be mad at her if
she decided instead of going to10 or 12 years of school to
wherever to be a doctor, go intodebt? And then finally start
making 100 1000s of dollars? Ayear after what let's say 15
years total? Something likethat? Would you be prefer her to
do that? Well, I even preferbecause I know what the answer

(01:47:03):
is going to be. But how wouldyou feel? But if she weighed the
options, instead of doing that,she decided, You know what, I
can be over here be a fuckingwhore on only fans or something,
not actually, not actuallyfucking anybody else, but just
showing my body off and all thisstuff, and make a couple 100,000
a month and not be in debt. Forme. So I mean, it's the sound is

(01:47:27):
as much as as shitty as itsounds. It's a solid business
move. Right?

Rick (01:47:32):
And that's what I was gonna say. I mean, it's probably
gonna surprise a lot of peoplewith my answer, but I think for
me, because I don't want to rulemy children with an iron fist.
Because I know if you do that,it just pushes them to do
whatever it is that they'retrying to do more and probably a
lot worse, and probably a lot onsafer. For me personally, as

(01:47:55):
long as she's being careful, andthis is what she wants to do.
Now, where I'm going to step inand be like, Nah, fuck you.
That's not happening is if like,if she's hooking on the street
or some shit like that. Now arepulling out or something like
that, you know, but like,pictures, only fans and all
that, like, I'm cool with that.
As long as you're doing itsafely. And if it's making you
tons of money, I know one thingNo, I better get some.

Sage (01:48:20):
Because, you know, case in point wasn't a bad baby. Second,
she turned 18 She started afucking only fans. Oh, yeah.
Barbie or whatever. Yeah, in onenight. She had a million
dollars.

Rick (01:48:33):
Yeah, people were on her dude. I mean, as soon as she
went live with that only fan shemade a couple mil right so

Sage (01:48:39):
far. Yeah, that's all I'm like. So like, it's as shitty as
it sounds. It's a solid businessmove like you could, and not
somebody because it really onlygoes for women. But if you are a
highly attractive woman withdecent assets, and you can
market yourself, well, onlyfans, you could start at 19 or
retire and retire by like 25 andnot have to work the rest of

(01:49:02):
your life.

Rick (01:49:03):
Do. I was just about to say it's definitely not only
females, because I don't know ifyou knew this, but tiger has an
only fans. This motherfuckermakes $7.7 million every month
on all the fans. Holy shit.
Yeah. And I think it's just himdoing behind the scenes of his
life and music. I don't eventhink he's actually fucking

(01:49:23):
people.

Sage (01:49:26):
But that's the world that we live in. Because it's
technology. You can get awaywith shit like that you can
literally either do what Tigeris doing or deal with some of
these other girls are doing andstart at 20 retire at 25 and be
sent the rest of your life.

Genesis (01:49:41):
However, the reality is that not everybody that's going
out there is gonna make $7million a month.

Sage (01:49:47):
Not everybody won't.
Everybody won't. I

Genesis (01:49:49):
would not let my daughter do that. You're not
going to have those assets thatyou're marketing right now when
you're 70.

Sage (01:49:56):
Yeah, you won't, but you won't need them at that point
because you've made some MuchMoney in Your 20s By the time
you're 70 you're good.

Genesis (01:50:04):
Too risky. You don't know. If you go to college to be
a doctor, you're more likely tobe set up for success than
taking your chances doing anonly fansite.

Sage (01:50:13):
True, but let's say you had a daughter and she did both
her first year of med school,she's going to med school. And
also she like you know what, Ineed some money on the side I'm
in debt. Let me start only fans.
In that one month, she has topay 50,000 or whatever to the
med school. But in that samemonth, she made 150,000 for
southern feet pictures onlyfans. person that you know

(01:50:36):
actually stay in school.

Genesis (01:50:45):
Yeah, I wouldn't want that for my daughter. No,

Sage (01:50:48):
I wouldn't want it either.
But it's a it's a reality thatwe're living in. It's an actual
job that pays well.

Genesis (01:50:56):
Can Yeah, potential.

Sage (01:50:58):
I mean, you gotta, you gotta have the authority, you
gotta go ahead and let her know.
Like, look. I know, I always sayyou're beautiful. But what
you're trying to be real withyou right now.

Genesis (01:51:09):
It's the same thing.
Like if they said I want to quitmy job and be a full time
streamer. The ads are the sameexact, if not very similar, to
reach and any sort of likesustainable success. No, not
necessarily.

Sage (01:51:23):
Yeah. As being a streamer versus as being only fans
person, only for and I'm onlyspeaking as far as women go
right now. As being a successfulstreamer is a lot harder than
being successful. Only fancystuff. You have to come up with
you have to come up with so muchmore content you have to be you

(01:51:44):
know, you have to talk to peopleyou have to be very engaging.
For only thing is, you just gotto be hot.

Genesis (01:51:52):
No, but the problem that you're missing out on
though, there's nodiscoverability on only fans
versus content creation as aYouTuber streamer. Yeah, that's

Sage (01:52:01):
why Instagram comes in.
Yeah. Again, another anotherwebsite where you just got to be
hot. You don't have to have anyother discernible talent other
than the fact that you're hot.

Genesis (01:52:14):
You can just kind of look okay, or food pictures

Sage (01:52:17):
show. But it was just something I was thinking about
last night. And I was like, Oh,let me see what y'all think
about that. Yeah.

Genesis (01:52:26):
appreciate the question. Well, weird,
especially for Rick. That couldbecome a very real real reality
for him.

Sage (01:52:35):
The reality for any of us.
I mean, that's what I asked thequestion this is an actual thing
now that we well he's

Genesis (01:52:41):
closer because he already hit the milestone of
having the daughter so well. Dotwo of them at last so his
chances double

Rick (01:52:51):
I struggle with it on a daily where I think about these
things. Yeah. Do I keep I don'twant to go the Mormon route of
hiding my children from theworld yesterday. Belts. Yeah,
like, I don't want to do that.
Because again, I know, way, way,way too many women where they
were sheltered as children andthey're now they're just the

(01:53:11):
worst kind of people where theyare just out doing everything
they possibly can.

Sage (01:53:18):
For the same was the saying in the church is always
depreciate the preachers, kidswho is the worse? Oh, do?

Rick (01:53:25):
Oh, um, what's that?
Marian Catholic high school outthere in Chicago Heights? Yeah,
it's a Catholic school and allthis kind of dunk. The biggest
coke fiends are in that school.
Like, I remember so many kids inthere, we're talking about
y'all, I gotta blow you want todo? Whoa, this is they paint
public schools as such a badplace. But if you go to those

(01:53:49):
Catholic schools,

Sage (01:53:51):
do the want money to hide it?

Rick (01:53:53):
Right? They have money to hide it and people aren't
looking at them

Genesis (01:53:56):
like that. How does that explain the Amish? When
they go on the road Springer. Sowhen Amish kids, you know they
hit a certain age, they'reallowed to go out to the world
and explore,

Sage (01:54:08):
to decide if they really want the Amish life or not.
Right. And

Genesis (01:54:11):
it's like a highest percent, like 80 90% of them
come back.

Rick (01:54:15):
You know what, I think a lot of those cases when you show
actually, if anything, this kindof proves my point about how you
don't want to shelter them toomuch. Because if you show to
them too much from things whenyou finally let them out a
little bit, they go to theextreme almost every time and
then they get put in a situationwhere they get hurt really

(01:54:36):
badly. Or they've see somethinghorrific. That's like alright,
shit. Let me see.

Sage (01:54:41):
I don't see. I think it's different though. Because what
he's saying is what he's sayingis when they go out on their
offspring, almost all in returnand don't decide to stay in
technology. Right. And thereason the reason a part of you
and the reason I think thathappens because they don't see
it. So they didn't grow up. I'mbeing tempted by it their entire
life with their parents saying,Oh, no, you can't do that you

(01:55:06):
won't do that. But they weregrown up sheltered in this
community, this tight knitcommunity with no social media,
none of that. And then they werelike out here, go out, see if
you liked this. And it'sprobably all 100% foreign to
him, to where they're like,Yeah, this feels weird. I don't
want to do this. I'm out.
Whereas you have, like, you havelike religious kids who they can

(01:55:26):
see it. They know other kidstheir age are doing this. And
they see those kids having fun,but they can't do it. So now
it's just 18 years of FOMOcoming out at one time.

Genesis (01:55:41):
Go can blow jobs. Oh,

Rick (01:55:43):
my God. Yeah, I mean, no, I think you're right with that.
Because I think a majority ofthem, because they haven't been
exposed to it. They're like, andI'm not really interested in.
But then you do have thoseselect few that are like, oh,
man, I'm going to New York, andI'm going crazy. And then they
almost always get into some shitthat they really shouldn't have

(01:56:05):
been getting into.

Sage (01:56:07):
Can you imagine being Amish going out to see the world
on Rumspringa for the firsttime, and immediately getting a
codec addiction?

Rick (01:56:17):
Yeah, like, like, you're now like, shooting porn

Sage (01:56:19):
or something. And and now you don't even know how to
bounce back from that or whereto go from help, because you
were never introduced to thatpart of society to know that
they have systems in place thatcan help you. So there's just

Genesis (01:56:33):
no question, though.
They're happier. Do you thinkthe Amish would live happier
lives than we do?

Sage (01:56:43):
I would say they live more. I wouldn't say happy, I'll
say more fulfilled. Yeah,because everything that they do
is for a purpose.

Rick (01:56:52):
Great, right? I would probably say, Yeah, I think
they're a little happier onlybecause I don't think they see
all the awful shit that goes onin the world. All they know is
what's in their little bubble,which a part of me kind of
envies that a little bit. I wishI didn't know about the phone
calls going on in Syria.

Sage (01:57:08):
Although, although, I do think that they lying though.

Rick (01:57:13):
You think someone's about

Sage (01:57:15):
to cause a pandemic happen? I hear none about no
mass Amish tonight. Like, howdid they hear about it? You
know?

Rick (01:57:26):
Well, I mean, wait. Okay, so if there's no

Sage (01:57:31):
no electricity whatsoever, right? I didn't hear anything
about a whole town of Amishpeople dying from COVID. Didn't
hear.

Rick (01:57:37):
Yeah, but I mean, but if an Amish person dies, like, do
they track something like that?

Sage (01:57:42):
Like, do they? I feel like if somebody stumbled across a
town of like, 2025 people dead?
That'd be in the news.

Genesis (01:57:50):
I don't know what they do with their data, actually.
Yeah, like they have their owncemeteries on their farms or

Rick (01:57:55):
one thing. I'm thinking more of like checklists and
stuff. When someone dies, dothey put on their death
certificate that they wereMormon? How would we know Amish?
Are Amish? Right? Sorry? Howwould we?

Genesis (01:58:08):
Even those Mormons

Sage (01:58:10):
sit how we know that they were Amish? Yeah, like how like,
because it would be it wouldn'tjust be them. It'd be the whole
town. If one person was sick,everybody be sick. And then
somebody who's not Amish wouldbe the one fucking.

Rick (01:58:23):
But think about the Amish and think about what COVID was
attacking. I mean, it wasn'tthat many young people that were
dying from this not saying allAmish people are young, but
like, I'm sure there were someAmish people that died from
COVID. But the young like Idon't think it was at least one
of them.

Sage (01:58:41):
But that leaves my question again. How did they
know what it was? Or to evencombat it? At that point?

Genesis (01:58:48):
May I see ACCESS test sweep through Amish and
Mennonite communities duringCOVID endemic

Rick (01:58:54):
ages probably didn't make national news because they were
like who focus? Or

Sage (01:58:59):
or it's all propaganda and they just tried to keep the lie
alive. What what of Amish peopleare like the white what kinda
they want everybody think theydon't have technology. You
crossed that level and they likeget like spaceships and shit.

Genesis (01:59:12):
Alright, with that?
Close, we're going into Amishconspiracy theory, something
I've never even heard of before.
We'll save that for another day.
Amish conspiracy theories.
Great. You haven't heard it all,folks. So make sure you tune in
next week because you neverknow.

Sage (01:59:32):
You're gonna be thinking about it now.

Rick (01:59:36):
What's with that? Yeah.
You never know. You never know.

Genesis (01:59:42):
Okay, guys, anything else you want to talk about
before we close it out?

Sage (01:59:46):
Oh, no, I'm good.
Somebody's never gonna play. Youtake students. So I'm good.
Well,

Genesis (01:59:51):
that's true. Well,

Rick (01:59:52):
that's not true. That's not true. I'll play it at some
point. But I did want tocontinue that conversation we
were having earlier

Genesis (02:00:00):
Let me at least get the Can I just close it first? Now I
gotta hover the button Don'tgive me that evil Gremlin laugh.
We all know we all know whatyou're doing. What am I doing?
I'm just setting up. Figure out.
You said some. Okay, go ahead.

(02:00:22):
That's is that slander or libel?
One of those two. No, wait fortuning in. Let's do another
episode of The Haven exchange.
Be sure to tune in next week fora brand new topic, brand new
episode, one less hosts where weget together exchange our

(02:00:43):
thoughts, even though you may bereluctant to dive deep into some
of the caverns of these fellowsbrains. Whoa, I am doing the
Lord's work by pulling thosethat nuggets out for you. Well,
so thank you. And Rick, what didyou want to say?

Rick (02:01:00):
You're just gonna hit the button. You might want to go
ahead. Yeah, one of these days,you're gonna let me get it out.
And I'm gonna let the peopleknow what kind of masih

Genesis (02:01:15):
Oh said we can only have one monster amongst the CO
hosting

Rick (02:01:21):
panel. Yeah. And that was what led to that you said
something about the Jews or whatwas it? You said something? You
know, we'll talk about it later.

Genesis (02:01:31):
I said it's fascinating how similar the Jewish faith and
Muslim faith and Christian faithis how similar they are. It's
kind of fascinating that thesethree distinct groups have
similar origin stories. Youknow, that's all I was saying.

Sage (02:01:48):
I somehow I don't think that's what you said. No, it's
not what he

Rick (02:01:51):
says. He says. This is the Haven

Sage (02:01:54):
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