The Secret Meaning Behind Popular Songs PT 2 - Haven Exchange #65 - The Haven Exchange

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Genesis (00:05):
Welcome to The Haven exchange podcast number 65. And
we have a brand new episode foryou this week, a part two to one
of my favorite episodes, thesecret meaning behind popular
songs. And I must apologize if Iruin some of these songs for you
on this episode. Some of thesewere kind of rough. If you

(00:26):
haven't checked out part one,check out episode number 28 For
even more deep dives intopopular songs, and discover
their hidden meanings along withus. Alright, you're ready to be
blown away. This is Havenexchange number 65. The secret
meaning behind popular songspart two. This is the Haven

(01:31):
exchange is a

Rick (01:33):
no my daughter drives a black jeep. I'm like yes, that's
what the fuck and that's thealarm that's going on. Is

Sage (01:38):
there not a car? Yes. I mean, she doesn't have a car and
like no, she drives a blackjeep.

Rick (01:45):
So she never came outside.
The daughter never came out tocheck the alarm nothing. And
literally the alarm was goingoff for so long. The alarm just
stopped going off and then theother day it was just flashing
lights. Right? But now there'sanother alarm going off. And my
both cars are right in front ofthe building and it sounds like
it's slightly in front ofanother building. So I noticed

(02:08):
that my cars I don't really haveto get up and check. But like I
know even if it's not herwhoever is being that is I know
you hear that shit

Genesis (02:20):
by we hear it

Rick (02:22):
I don't understand how it goes on for this long. Right and
it didn't dawn on anybody to go.
So well like a car.

Genesis (02:29):
I get nervous. Anytime I hear a car alarm go off like
and I double check just to makesure I don't know the difference
between mine and others. Like Ihaven't tuned myself to like,
personally recognize my own caralarm.

Sage (02:41):
But your car alarm is La Cucaracha

Genesis (02:43):
Lactuca bad jazz. Yeah, got the big painted like, like
an Aztec woman on the side of myKia Soul.

Sage (02:49):
Oh my god. Hey, is that see they heard

Genesis (02:56):
and welcome to the even exchange podcast, a weekly
podcast bringing you brand newtopics each and every week with
myself Genesis and my co hosttoday, which are

Rick (03:07):
car alarm, Rick.

Sage (03:12):
Because how much I stressed I'm Greensleeves today,

Genesis (03:16):
thankfully, actually could be a dope rap name, right?

Sage (03:21):
I mean, there's a rapper named Blue face, right?

Genesis (03:23):
Yeah, right Greensleeves blue face.

Rick (03:26):
And I'm pleased to let everybody know that I'm actually
back to Kojima Rick because thecar long has gone

Genesis (03:34):
you are never Kojima Rick. Oh, one

Rick (03:38):
Metal Gear brick.

Genesis (03:42):
This brick winter Rick.
Rick Rick winter. That's theterm

Rick (03:48):
know what else what else?
What else? What's another go onthat? I don't know. Mechanic
Rick,

Sage (03:58):
game game mechanic, Rick.
Unless you're wondering, this iswhat it sounds like to beat a
dead horse.

Genesis (04:06):
Where did that come from? Did we talk about that on
that episode? beating a deadhorse? No. I gotta look that up
now. No, today we're gonna betalking about well, actually a
part two to a beloved episode wedid way long time ago,

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discussing the secret meetingsor the deeper meanings behind
popular songs. We went through aslew of those last time we blew
Rick's mind especially becausehe heard them for the first
time. And he was like, wow,these are good songs. And we
said yeah, we know they're topof the billboards you dumb shit.
So we have sage here with us whois our resident music expert, so

(04:50):
we're gonna see if we can puthim to the test

Sage (04:54):
is really a bad prop you gave me considering I would just
search for this damn song forthe free First 10 minutes this
damn thing?

Genesis (05:03):
Don't worry, we'll cut that part out. We won't we'll
leave it in. I specificallypicked a couple songs that I
know are some of your favorites.
Sage, so I'll it'll be a bunchof m&ms. Yeah, I think you've
just spent hours fucking goingthrough those lyrics line by
line, because they're so like,quick. And then they're
impactful. Yeah, they'restructured in such a way that

(05:27):
you have to really take themword for word, and we're gonna
be doing a little bit of that onsome of the songs I've picked
out. We're going to listenthrough them, broadcast them and
analyze them, and all that goodstuff. So we talked about this
last time, though, as far as theprocess, like when you guys
listen to music, how in tune tothe lyrics? Are you even at all

(05:48):
in the first place? Is itsomething you focus on?

Rick (05:53):
Oh, not at all. For me. I have articles here. Like, I am a
beat melody type list, you know,lyrics, I have to listen to it
two or three times before Ireally start listening to what
they're saying.

Genesis (06:14):
Some of the lyrics to you just sort of, they're just
their own instrument, and you'renot really touching the English
in them more. So just like howit combines with the melody and
whatnot.

Rick (06:24):
Yeah, yeah. Because when I listen to music, it's really
hard for me to focus on thewords, because I'm so fascinated
by everything else. You know, Ihear piano drum guitar all you
know, I'm hearing too, so Well,right. And I think that might be
one that the melody ofeverything is so overpowering,

(06:45):
to the lyrics, like, I'll hearpeople rapping on songs and be
like, Yo, you, if you want me tobe able to understand what
you're saying, You need to turnthe vocals up. Because I can
barely hear you with

Sage (06:58):
the music. For me being the music theater kids that I
am. It has to it starts with themelody. And then if the melody
is good, then the next thing Ifocus on is song structure. Then
from song structure, it goes tocadence, then from Cadence, then
the lyrics come in. If thosefirst three are on point, then

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I'll pay attention to whatthey're saying.

Genesis (07:24):
Is that can that be done on a single playthrough? Or
as it's as you're

Sage (07:28):
listening? As you listen to it?

Genesis (07:32):
Interesting. Yeah. So you break it down, almost
mathematically, or at least in amathematical sense.

Sage (07:37):
Yeah. I mean, you kind of have to like one of my favorite
music theater. Producers is theword is Stephen Sondheim. And
the dudes song structures aresome of the hardest songs to
sing on this planet. But they'reso damn good. Like, if you saw

(07:58):
any tide if you've seen itswinging tide would lightful
delightful Johnny Depp. Yeah,we're delightful. Stephen
Sondheim did the music for that.
And oh, the cadences and whenyou got to be right there. It's
one of the hardest songs I mean,hardest musicals to sing live.
Because you cannot miss a beat.

(08:20):
And it's actually not a musical.
It's a operetta. And for thepeople who don't know the
difference between a musical andoperator musical was a play
where they just randomly breakout into song. And operetta is a
play where the story is told bythe music

Genesis (08:36):
Oh, see, I didn't I didn't know that because I would
have I would have just said anoperetta it's just all in
Italian or another line becauseyeah, that's I was gonna ask
like does does your like yourprocess of like, familiarizing
yourself with a song changedepending on the type of music
so like an operetta where thestory is literally told to the

(08:57):
lyrics does that mean the lyricsget pushed to the front of that
process? Or you still follow thesame structure?

Sage (09:04):
Yeah, when the story is told the lyrics you have lyrics
have to come first. Yeah,because I mean, if the story is
shit like are you reallylistening to anything else?

Genesis (09:15):
Yeah, I guess you're right now thinking about like
musicals. They're not all justsong and dance started to finish
there's like the broken playaspects and then they they burst
into song right? Liketechnically,

Sage (09:27):
Rocky Horror Picture Show will be considered operetta,
technically.

Genesis (09:32):
Oh, okay.

Sage (09:33):
I mean, it's not as rigid as a traditional outlet is, but
the story is vastly told throughthe songs.

Genesis (09:43):
Okay, so and I think we see that I mean, even in just in
music, and a lot of what we'regonna find in some of the in the
songs that I picked out for usto sort of analyze today is
stories being told in the musicand like, I think we could pull
elements from I'm just even oldschool written work of like
poetry and stuff where thingsare masked behind certain

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meanings symbolism, all thatlike storytelling, things that
you know has evolved over theyears and then incorporated into
music

Sage (10:14):
will we be hearing a song from the greatest literary
genius of our time?

Genesis (10:20):
Depends on who that is

Sage (10:21):
with his groundbreaking classical Let me see that song.

Genesis (10:29):
No, that sounds pretty straightforward. Meaning

Rick (10:33):
I don't know why I thought he was gonna go with like, I
like big butts. That was thefirst song that came up in my
head

Genesis (10:45):
we actually don't think one of the big surprising ones
from the last episode was theWho let the dogs out in that
actually meant that one waspretty great. And I'm trying to
think of some of the others buteither way we got we got a whole
slew of these I pulled some fromdifferent eras. I've got more
modern songs this time. Lasttime we I think we we stuck in

(11:08):
the 70s a lot. So I've got a fewfrom that that era and that
genre of music, but I definitelyhave some newer music and some
bonus shifts. So to kick thingsoff first I'm gonna I'm gonna
play a little snippet of itbefore we get into it and I just
want to know if you guys caneven identify the song in

Sage (11:28):
a column and I think you're gonna play the weekend
first.

Genesis (11:31):
No, I'm not okay.

Sage (11:34):
But as he changes songs

Genesis (11:37):
he is on my list because for multiple reasons,
one the song I

Sage (11:43):
know exactly what song

Genesis (11:47):
and also because Rick way, what are your the weekend?
Right?

Sage (11:53):
Knew is the Leap Year.

Genesis (11:58):
The Leap Year that's it? Yeah.

Rick (12:01):
Or j y con by the government?

Genesis (12:03):
I don't know. That sounds weird.

Sage (12:12):
Does that Hotel California?

Genesis (12:14):
Thing ding ding Sure.
Is. He noticed? Yeah, you do.
Yeah.

Rick (12:21):
I'm drama Blanca. Who does it all? No.

Sage (12:26):
I feel like you should know who does this.

Genesis (12:29):
Really? Well.

Rick (12:32):
The first thing that came to mind. I mean, I don't think
it's them. But because I'm sonervous to say anything.

Sage (12:39):
Because that's not who I thought. I thought a different
band aid that I noticed. But Ithought differently. I

Genesis (12:45):
didn't know what connection you were trying to
make with.

Sage (12:49):
Yeah, I 100% thought it was Chicago foresight.

Genesis (12:53):
Oh, yeah. Okay.

Rick (12:56):
Now this is by the Eagles.
Nah, yeah. Oh, you say thethey're good. That's not what I
was gonna say.

Sage (13:02):
Are you gonna say the Beatles?

Rick (13:04):
Knew?

Genesis (13:06):
That would have been embarrassing. So if it's not
worse than saying the BeatlesI'm curious

Sage (13:09):
now. What were you gonna say?

Rick (13:12):
You know, fucking I'm already deep in the hatred pool.
Anyway, I was gonna say red hotchili peppers,

Sage (13:17):
red hot. Red Hot Chili Peppers. Some of their songs
that do take a lot of influencefrom Eagle so I can see that.

Genesis (13:26):
And they did a song California

Rick (13:28):
right they did a song right that I think that might
have been why jumped to themfirst.

Sage (13:35):
But you were thinking of Danny California. Danny. Yeah,

Genesis (13:38):
that's that man and sweet Louisiana. It's my number
one go to karaoke song.

Rick (13:43):
People still do karaoke

Sage (13:45):
religiously? Really?
Whenever I do go out for karaokethe bars always packed

Rick (13:52):
you know? I don't know why I'm surprised by that people
still celebrate for 20

Sage (13:56):
Like what is for 20 Karaoke have to do with each
other?

Rick (13:59):
It's not it's not what do you carry? I don't know. We
haven't done it. I have not seethere you go. That's why

Genesis (14:09):
even sing in the shower. No, I

Rick (14:11):
do not sing in the shower.
You sing in the car? I do notknow I mean maybe like if I'm in
the car and I'm rapping sure

Sage (14:21):
I can see dirt now

Genesis (14:35):
and since he showers so often it's even more depressing
because he poops and showersHey. All right Hotel California
by the Eagles. Do you guys haveany idea already? What the song
or what do you think the songmight be about? As it stands
from your your your memories?

Sage (14:55):
From a memories I think NASM just because I'm planning
lyrics through my head becauseI've never actually thought
about it my deep level like thenbut just listen to it I will say
maybe it's like a road torecovery

Genesis (15:11):
Okay, good that's a good guess I guess given that
you don't have them lyrics infront of you Yeah,

Sage (15:21):
you know I'm just trying to think of trying to think of
how the song goes in my headlike a long day we

Genesis (15:27):
had a lot of songs that came out of this era that were
kind of about that kind of stuff

Sage (15:34):
yeah I'm sorry are you playing the live version?

Genesis (15:39):
No I don't think it is but that was definitely not

Sage (15:47):
such a good song.

Genesis (15:49):
It is a good song so what he's what he's talking
about you know he's he actuallyis talking about going to this
hotel throughout the song wehear him talking about the
luxuries of this you know, Ithink the next bars this line is
kind of important here right atthe end of this

Sage (16:19):
Rick's like never heard the sound game I

Rick (16:24):
know I heard it but I'm trying to keep muted the alarm
is going off again.

Sage (16:28):
Are you also trying

Rick (16:33):
No

Sage (16:38):
Okay, so if you're trying to So is he trying to say like
Hollywood is technically likethe Hotel California and this
could be the best thing tohappen to me this could be the
worst thing to happen to me butyou know, I'm here for the right
type deal

Genesis (16:54):
Yeah, that's actually pretty spot on on what the
intended like meaning behind thesong is is that the Hotel
California is representingbasically Hollywood right and
and the music industryspecifically in this song then
we see it kind of take a littledarker turn when we get past

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sort of the the glamorous sideof things and then we get
towards the end where we caneven hear this shift in tone in
the song itself. If you rememberonce we start over here pull it
back a little bit one sec. isgood

Sage (17:46):
now listen to Song masters.

Genesis (17:51):
So you have a little different tone towards the end
of the song here. Stab it withthis nice but the just kill the
beast had to find the passengerback to the place that was

(18:16):
before Oh my god. So that's thethat's sort of the dark turn
right there. Yeah, you can checkout anytime you like, but you
can never leave.

Sage (18:38):
Yeah, cuz he's because you're in the public eye at that
point. So yeah, you can reallynever leave.

Genesis (18:44):
But what they're what I can also go into is basically
the self destruction of theartist. And what we see in a lot
of the music industry, you know,the overdoses, suicides, all
that stuff. So you could checkout whenever you want. I mean,
kill yourself or destroyingyourself. But you can't get out

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of the Hotel California.

Sage (19:09):
Makes sense. I've never really listened to the lyrics.
As much as I like that song.
Never listen to lyrics.

Genesis (19:15):
Yeah, I mean, it's a soothing song. And I mean, this
is one of the ones it's prettyin your face. And like if you
actually listened to the wordsfor words, and a lot of times we
you know, we hear the songs overand over again, it kind of gets
blurred or we end up just beinglike Rick and, you know, becomes
just part of the instruments.
And so it all just flows and itblurs it a little bit.

Sage (19:38):
Like how you also said, I'm gonna start modern, and this
is a song from the 70s.

Genesis (19:45):
Modern, I just had, I'm getting the some of the old
school ones out of the way. Butwe'll jump forward a little bit
in time here with that one, orfrom that one to this little
ditty right here. and sage Ineed you to not guess first on
this one okay this is this one'sfor you to guess Rick

Rick (20:10):
oh okay

Sage (20:14):
oh best album ever

Rick (20:25):
that sounds so familiar what I can do as soon as you hit
Play wise well why like oh mygod

Sage (20:41):
go to dreaming meeting seen as you want to stay but you
know very well I want to goknock that the fucking tread the
ground and I am walking knowwhen it is cold outside

Genesis (20:57):
you get the cars

Sage (21:01):
understand what I'm saying

Unknown (21:07):
like the title of Christ and asleep send the
Masters is there anyone

Genesis (21:20):
do you think Rick?
Still no clue. Have you heardthis song before?

Sage (21:26):
Make songs like that no more

Rick (21:31):
I have but I'm drawn.
Dude. I'm drawing such a hugeblank. Oh,

Genesis (21:37):
dude, this is like a duel episode. This is another
test for

Rick (21:42):
let me create this party who I think it is. Okay, yeah.
Cuz that sounded a lot like Adamliving. Right? Hey guys, so I
didn't know if

Genesis (21:53):
there's Maroon Five?
Correct? That our debrief

Sage (21:57):
the song? No. on that album. Secret. If you ever
listen to secret that song isway more harder to decode until
somebody explains it to you thanthis. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Genesis (22:12):
Well, what do you think this song means? Unless or do
you know what the song means? Orwhat is about

Sage (22:17):
I'm trying to remember the words that play water

Genesis (22:21):
so this will we'll start with the with the lyrics
here. Or I mean for the what thechorus here is there anyone out
there?

Unknown (22:37):
Is there anyone out there because it's getting
harder and harder to breathe?

Sage (22:42):
Okay, so from the first part of the song, well, then
your entire album was calledSongs About Jane. So I'm
guessing Miss Jane bitch reallyfucked him over if you listed
out if

Genesis (23:00):
he's telling a story throughout the entire album
about Jane.

Sage (23:04):
But that's all good.
Sounds like Yeah. He's almost heknows that. She's not that she's
not worth his time. But he'sstill slowly he still slowly
dying inside and doesn't knowhow to express it. So he's just
saying, you know, just get out.

(23:26):
I don't need you right here likebut at the same but at the same
time. Can somebody help me?
Right.

Genesis (23:34):
Um, so in fact, you know, a lot of people took this
and I think it's easy to takethis as sort of a relationship
with a woman and that's, that's,you know, you're feeling
suffocated right and gettingharder and harder to breathe.
You're feeling suffocated bythis relationship. But in fact,

(23:55):
if we if we skew this a littlebit same thing with Hotel
California the song is actuallyabout the pressures of the music
industry. Adam Levine he said inan interview he said they quote
that song comes sheerly fromwanting to throw something. It
was the 11th hour the label oneor more songs. It was the last

(24:16):
crack. I was just pissed andwanted to record and the label
was applying a lot of pressure

Sage (24:20):
I call bullshit. For several reasons. Okay, one, the
fucking second or third album,third track on the goddamn song.
I mean, goddamn album. So youtrying to

Genesis (24:31):
record an order?

Sage (24:32):
I'm aware that I'm aware of it. I'm aware of it.
Secondly, because that was theirfirst album, they were hungry.
And they were all nice becauseyou can tell the difference
between their first album totheir second album. The first
time they were hungry shit,their second album not so much
so the song quality dropped off.
He's bullshitting. He didn'twant to give that girl that
credit. That she put.

Genesis (24:54):
That's why you think he lied in the interview he's about

Sage (24:57):
he did not want to give that girl that credit that she
really We put him through andwanted to change up his story to
make it seem like it wassomething more deeper than it
was. Because I don't believethat for one bit, you don't name
our album Songs About Jane andthen this one this one song was
about the music and the

Genesis (25:16):
rest of the album to see something but we can we can
listen on to through that lens.
Now

Sage (25:22):
I've listened to that album, maybe 25 Times front to
back. Like I every song ispretty much talking about this.

Genesis (25:33):
So let's just let's look at a few more bars from it.

Sage (25:38):
Word to say that you're in the pillar when rather than in a
negative way, hoping somebodysomeday would do your lack of
deadunderstand what I'm gonna say.

Genesis (25:59):
So what is the what are those lines mean, though, then,
right there

Sage (26:02):
when it gets cold outside, and it's no wonder there's no
way we're gonna give up.

Genesis (26:05):
When it gets cold outside and you got nobody to
love you understand what I mean?
When I say there's no way we'regonna give up. So if we look at
that through the lens of thepressures of the music industry,
right, he's saying, We gottafucking push through this to get
this done. If

Sage (26:22):
you look at through the lens of somebody going through a
heartbreak, he's talking tohimself, like, look, I gotta get
through this. Like, nobody'sgonna fucking be there. For me.
It's cold outside, I'm goingthrough it. I'd been telling you
that whole albums about a kick

Genesis (26:39):
off. That's, well, that's the that's the fun thing
about this. Here we go put somemore bars

Sage (26:55):
that has all the control.
This is actually one of myKaraoke Songs.

Genesis (27:06):
Says does it kill? Does it burn? Is it painful to learn

Sage (27:09):
that it has all the control?

Genesis (27:12):
Yeah, so I think you could maybe you could apply
double standards to is

Sage (27:16):
if the first album is first in his first music album,
he would have almost zerocontrol. So there's no way that
will go. You have to you have tomake a name for yourself before
you can actually controlanything on your first deal.

Genesis (27:30):
Yeah, and a lot of what you're gonna see though, and
this is what we mean when wemask we mask these meanings
behind certain storytelling. Idon't think the viewer or the
listeners would wouldnecessarily connect with a like
an artist struggling with thepressures of in music industry.
You're a fucking millionaire.
What are you bitching about, youknow, like, versus a rocky

(27:51):
relationship with which we couldall identify with? So I think
it's we we can see the layers inthere you know, and I think it's
not outside the realm ofpossibility that there's the
double meaning there you know,yes, this is about your
relationship with Jane. What atthe time of writing maybe he was
feeling the pressures and that'swhere the inspiration of this

(28:13):
relationship but the label orwhatever now

Sage (28:17):
straight up line.

Genesis (28:19):
I mean, he said it so we'll take that as you wish.

Sage (28:23):
I used to be a terrible singer. He just recently became
a good live singer. He was onlya studio singer. So what
pressures did he fucking it? No,he straight up line right now
when that interview well, youknow, let me make myself sound
deep real fast.

Genesis (28:40):
That's every solid every

Sage (28:42):
album after that album was close to dogshit any any real
Maroon Five fan will say thatthat first album was their best
hands fucking down. If that'sprobably see that a lot of
artists though, right? No, notreally. Because look at Eminem.
His second album blows his firstalbum out the water. That's
true. But they were hungry. Theywrote those songs because they

(29:04):
were they meant it. He was goingthrough some stuff. He put his
feelings on the paper that hadnothing to do with pressure
because he what pressure did hehave? You had no expectations.
Either you make it or you don'tat least you gotta shut

Genesis (29:19):
Well, I know as far as like, the creative types. You
know, I've I've talked with alot of creative people mostly
like, you know, artists, youknow, not musicians. But when
you there's a lot of pressurethat can come from constantly
tapping your creativewheelhouse. You know, a lot of
times that stuff just has tokind of come to you and I can
see that being the same for amusician.

Sage (29:42):
That's why a lot of musicians when they write they
write about look like especiallylike if they're going through a
bad breakup. That's when theywrite their best fucking music.
Look at the weekend. That manused to be sad man and music.
Every song he was damn you'recrying. Sam Smith, all his best
song deserves a fucking sadsong. Yeah, his Kim going

(30:02):
through relationships. It's

Rick (30:04):
yeah, you could make that argument with Usher too Right?
Confession. Yeah,

Sage (30:09):
confession that Oh wow.

Rick (30:13):
You know who they say that about to a lot is a marriage a
blog. Like when she's goingthrough a breakup or heartbreak?
She's the best singer out. Yeah,he's happy that shit is trash.

Sage (30:25):
That's what ever do.
That's what every artists,that's when they do their best
work because they, they need tosomewhere to channel all of that
energy and it goes into whatevertheir art form is.

Genesis (30:35):
But you could also say the opposite in that it's it's
purely manufactured and thateverybody can understand and
relate to heartbreak andeverybody likes to like humanize
these superstars and the bestway to do that is to show your
vulnerability through it isthrough hardship it

Sage (30:52):
is manufacture but there's certain songs here, this
motherfucker meant that shit.

Genesis (30:59):
But I like it was Jane a real person? Do you know

Sage (31:02):
probably somebody in his past who we dated in high school
assumption?

Genesis (31:05):
Yeah. I'm curious if like, if he was going through
this if he was actually goingthrough a relationship at the
time of this album, you know,that maybe could give some more
evidence into the sort of facevalue meanings that we're we're
reading through the lyrics. Yep.

Sage (31:20):
Many of the lyrics for the album are inspired by Levine's
relationship with ex girlfriendJane Herman.

Genesis (31:27):
named Herman. Yeah,

Rick (31:28):
I'll actually use her real name. Like Kendrick Lamar. He
was talking about his like, thatwas that wasn't her real name.
You know, like people knew whohe was talking about in his
circle. But he didn't actuallyuse her real name. Same thing. I
don't think I was forever.
Actually.

Sage (31:48):
He never actually said her name. flat out said chili. Tell
me. Tell me. I would think shewas going through it. What you
name that? You didn't lie aboutthe name. He's put her name out
there. He was going through it.
He was going

Rick (32:07):
for her real name. Yeah. I have. I might be on stage.
Because the whole time listen tohim. I'm like, This dude just
cannot accept this. One song maynot be about her. But then when
I when you said that, that's herreal name.

Genesis (32:23):
That's, I mean, that's true. But Levine said it in an
interview. I don't know what themeans are like what the
motivation alive would be.

Sage (32:32):
Like she got the w plus NO plus, probably. There probably
was some type of behind thescenes lawsuit that went down
because of that, because he usedher name.

Rick (32:44):
Now I'm starting to see now I'm starting to think on the
other side. And it doesn't makesense because if there was a
legal case that wide leaves thename of the album. The album is
about

Sage (32:55):
that point that was already out there. No, they're
not gonna be the one song Imean, that song isn't named
Jane. The album is called SongsAbout Jane. And she didn't know
what the album was before it gotreleased.

Rick (33:11):
But that's why I'm saying this one song seems is the one
song where they're,

Sage (33:15):
oh, there's no there's a lot worse songs in this where he
goes in. That's why I'm sayingshe probably got she probably
got paid out. It was likeAlright, cool. We will we'll
fabricate a story. To where no,it's not really about this
person. But you Google it.
Everybody's like, yeah, no, no,it's about this.

Genesis (33:38):
Harder to Breathe. I just looked it up. The harder to
breathe is the first track onthe album. And then the second
song is this love so maybe therest of the album. Is the story
of this relationship.

Sage (33:51):
This love is I was so high I did not recognize the fire
burning in arise. The chaos thatcontrol my mind. That's not a
happy song. This love

Rick (34:09):
Well, for the listeners that are still with us. Bear
Bear with us. isn't gonna bekaraoke with us. Absolutely.
Absolutely not. I'd rather watchpaint dry.

Sage (34:22):
Yes. All call must get Heike like I gotta leave. I
can't actually tell you he waslying in that interview. He was
lying.

Rick (34:31):
It's in the same topic.
It's still about this chick Janebut does does anyone know why
like what was she abusing him orsome shit or like is it a toxic?

Genesis (34:42):
Probably have to listen to the lyrics of a song.

Sage (34:45):
If you listen to lyrics this Jane was a terrible person.

Genesis (34:49):
That's also one side.
One side.

Rick (34:52):
We're not going to make a song like what's the name my
name I'm sure we'll write Oh,like a song about him being a
PA.

Sage (35:08):
Every time I was in LA, I was with my ex girlfriend. Just
letting all know, that was hislast ditch effort. He's like,
You know what? This is me.

Rick (35:22):
Right? Maybe Maybe she'll listen. Right? Maybe she'll love
me if I just bear it all out.

Genesis (35:27):
Yeah. Let's you think that like, as far as Maroon
Five, like when wouldn't you bepissed if you were not Adam
Levine and Maroon Five. Andlike, this was just his
relationship album.

Sage (35:40):
Maroon Five, they've changed fucking members,
probably like 10 or 12 timessince they started. Because
think about it. When you thinkabout Maroon Five. You only
think about Adam Levine. Youcan't name one other person in
that group. Not only they arefucking replaceable. Just like
fucking My Chemical Romance.

Rick (36:03):
Now, I actually got one.

Sage (36:07):
What's his name?

Rick (36:08):
Mike. Oh, gerar.

Sage (36:09):
Yeah, he got he got rid of everybody else. If he still goes
by Mike, you're gonna romanceand tours. And it's just him.

Genesis (36:17):
And that's funny.

Rick (36:20):
Now, let me ask you this, though. In in normal band
practices, is it? Is it normalfor the singer to be the only
writer of the songs? No, like acollaborative effort.

Sage (36:33):
A good portion of time is collaborative. Because if you
got somebody who's justespecially good at writing
songs, let them

Rick (36:43):
because that's what brought me initially I was gonna
say, Well, wait a minute, howare we short? Jane? One person
because obviously I've neverheard the album. But how do we
know one person if you know ifthe whole group is writing
songs? And you know it's AdamLevine writing the whole thing
then obviously, it would beabout his life, not necessarily
his drama. So

Genesis (37:06):
that's why I'm saying like cuz I would be like, I'd be
like, I'm representing my musicmy like, guitar my drumming is
representing just this dude, thesingers relationship the entire
album. But yeah, I guess youcould say that about any group.
Right? But like you said, wedon't know the collaborative
like how collaborative are thelyrics? I imagine there's,
they're all sitting in a in aroom and they're like, riffing

(37:29):
on each other with it. Like thiswould sound better with this.
Don't do that. Don't do.

Sage (37:35):
So like that was planted in my head, anything.

Rick (37:40):
Let me ask you if if the Haven exchange did an album who
would be the lead writer?

Genesis (37:48):
Ah, that's a good question.

Rick (37:51):
Do we have artsy make a guest appearance? Or?

Sage (37:55):
I mean, I'm considering I'm the only one who's actually
written music.

Genesis (38:00):
I wrote rap songs before I repeat,

Sage (38:02):
considering I'm the one who's actually written

Genesis (38:05):
Okay, on to the next one. I got for you guys. Again,
sage, you know this song, Rick?
I doubt it. But let's I hopelike you should know these.

Rick (38:19):
Let's hear it

Sage (38:30):
oh my god. Did you know Did you say the answer? I'm
walking with

Rick (38:36):
no, no. Hands.

Genesis (38:40):
It is not answering.
Nice try.

Rick (38:44):
I have no idea.

Sage (38:47):
Did you watch a movie in the 90s at all? Any any pick
one?

Rick (38:58):
That sounds really familiar. But

Sage (39:00):
you can you can throw a rock at a movie in the 90s and
this was probably in it.

Rick (39:05):
Hilarious. No. Okay, so now I have no clue. Who is it?

Genesis (39:08):
You've never even heard of the song.

Rick (39:10):
i This sounds familiar, but I can't pinpoint what it is.
And also, I would also like topoint out the fact that I
haven't seen a movie from the90s in probably 20 years. So

Genesis (39:26):
just the song itself. I mean, it was correction tampons.
You

Sage (39:29):
haven't seen a movie from the 90s in about 36 years.
That's all

Genesis (39:52):
still nothing Rick. Oh, again, I just am I am just
surprised. I thought I waspicking songs that you had
absolutely You have known so youcan help analyze

Sage (40:02):
and understand you're not seeing movies, songs mean your
pay attention. They just be onin the background.

Genesis (40:09):
It's probably still played on the radio. No. Okay,
so

Rick (40:13):
it doesn't surprise. Like if, if I were to ask anybody who
knows me longer than you guyshave, like, I guarantee you,
they'll be like, Oh yeah, I'm100% confident that they're
gonna know the songs because Iam a creature of habit. I have
my Apple Music Playlist, andthat is what I listen to.

Sage (40:34):
Drugs and hold on. Listen, that's not true. That's not

Rick (40:38):
That's not true. I listen to all kinds of music. But once
I hear it, like it's very hardfor me to discover new songs.
Sure. I don't constantly No, no,I mean, Kendrick Lamar. No. I
listened to like real. Yeah,listen to real artists talking
about real things. No, no, nodisrespect to three, six, what?

Sage (41:03):
See my and my problem with that type of music is I used to
I used to be and actually I gotsame problem with r&b now too.
But I used to love that type ofmusic. And I think that's kind
of why I like Eminem so much.
They all end up talking aboutthe same shit from a different a
different perspective, but theydo end up talking about the same

(41:24):
shit. It's know how hard my lifewas, or growing up in the hood,
or, you know, I don't neednobody. I can do this by myself,
or shit like that.

Rick (41:34):
Now, yes, but I think that's why I appreciate Kendrick
Lamar so much, because he istalking about trauma, but he's,
he's being specific with it.
Yeah, I mean, like, his storiesare real like about his uncle
and mom. And

Sage (41:49):
that's why I like Eminem, because Eminem was doing the
same specifics. Now, same thingto point he was getting sued.

Rick (41:56):
He's talking about real shit. That actually happened.
Not

Sage (41:59):
just like the only artists who they have to go and bleep
out names in his album release,because he got sued. And you're
like, you can't say this. What'salready recorded?

Rick (42:09):
Yeah, yeah. I think that's why I appreciate that. But, you
know, I also like a good redshirt. You know, sometimes I
just want to walk in full debit,you know, like, you just want to
hear so

Genesis (42:22):
that's what's great about you know, the, our music
offerings. We have a little bitwe can get a little bit of

Rick (42:27):
everything right, like today. You know, I started off
with a little Kendrick Lamar.
And then I switched up theslipknot a little bit. And then
I went over to three, sixmonths, you know, like it's, you
just have certain moves thatyou're in for like when I'm
angry, like, I'm fuckingfrustrated by something that
just happened. Three, six, walkthat trick. Hit him on the fuck,
like all kinds of shit. I justYou got to burn that anger.

Sage (42:55):
When I'm angry, I listened to Kim calm down him that the
song came by Eminem.

Rick (43:02):
I thought, Oh, wow. I never would have thought

Sage (43:06):
because he's completely psycho in that song. And no
matter how mad I am, I'm like,I'm not that mad. Maybe, maybe I
should chill out.

Rick (43:17):
With Eminem, you have a favorite Eminem song.

Genesis (43:25):
Let's get back to the topic. You're gonna open up a
Kojima rabbit hole with sage

Sage (43:33):
tattooed on me, that's

Genesis (43:36):
Renegade.

Rick (43:38):
Oh, fire. God dammit, dude, this car alarms going off.
And I feel like dude, have youall ever sick? No, I'm not gonna
say it. No, I'm just gonna mute

Genesis (43:53):
Well, if you didn't know the song we were analyzing
next is Third Eye Blind. SomeThird Eye Blind. By
Greensleeves? It's the blindsemi charmed life. Sage. What do
you think this song is about?

Sage (44:09):
I honestly don't know.
I've never listened to thelyrics. I just always via that
on the course.

Genesis (44:15):
Add it to the tape.
Well, this one's actually kindof interesting because it's so
upbeat, and catchy. And theradio if you listen to this,
which is you know, aside well Iimagined the movies did this as
well, but the radio edit out alot of the lyrics that lended to

(44:35):
what the song is actually about.
So you're gonna hear some lyricsin here that you're gonna be
like, How the fuck did I missthat? Well, it's because the
radio edited it and I'm assumingthe movies probably did too. So
we'll take a look at some of thefirst couple lyrics here and
we'll see if you can catch onwhat might be happening here and
it might blow your mind a littlebit. So the first This is the

(45:00):
very start of the song righthere
okay right there the first line

Sage (45:11):
barely understand what the hell you're saying not because I
can't hear the song because he'snot opening up his fucking mouth

Genesis (45:18):
I'll repeat it so the first the first line is impacted
I'm holding I'm smiling she'sliving she's golden. She lives
for me so she lives for meOvation her own motivation so
the first line down pat and I'mholding that should give you a
clue of what we're going to bediving into throughout the song
mean she comes around and shegoes down on me

Unknown (45:45):
so

Sage (45:48):
I'm packing them holding could be couple things. It could
be guns.

Unknown (45:55):
It could be drugs.

Sage (45:59):
And she goes down and maybe he was a drug dealer and I
mean she was a crackhead. Shehad no money so she has she has
to do she has to do

Genesis (46:10):
good things again interesting yeah well thank

Unknown (46:15):
you whoever what you want to do coming over to you
smile the world we go through toyou like to go up and down the
line I can tell you when thegame is nice

Genesis (46:33):
yeah we'll get there and then right after this chorus
which is likely the line thatgets edited out to do

(47:08):
go back to that. Did you catchthat?

Sage (47:10):
No. What do you say man if you're just reading lyrics the
dude ain't opening

Genesis (47:21):
the sky was gold it was rose I was taking sips of it to
my nose and I wish it could getback there I wish I could get
back there someplace back theresmiling in the kitchen is about
drugs and thentend to hear that I

Sage (47:44):
do it because you never look you

Genesis (47:48):
know hang on

Sage (47:55):
good because I never lift you up until you break

Genesis (47:58):
doing crystal meth will lift you up until you break it
won't say that. What do you say?
Do you want that one more time?

Rick (48:05):
Yeah, I heard that once you said it I never heard that
clear. Oh shall

Genesis (48:18):
now listen to the bars directly after that line then
I'll pull it back a little bit

Sage (48:35):
so now you saw my doing coat to keep saying hi Okay.

Genesis (48:39):
I won't come down and cube start with a tic tac rhythm
a bump for the top and then Ibumped up I took the hit that I
was given then I bumped againand then I bumped again

Sage (48:50):
so he's dead right

Genesis (48:54):
question I don't know how do I get back to the Jesus
said how do I get back there tothe place where I fell asleep
inside you How do I get myselfback to the place where you said
I want something else hopefullywe didn't ruin this for

(49:19):
everybody

Sage (49:20):
makes sense. Now the course makes a lot more sense
now that I've actually listenedto the lyrics

Genesis (49:27):
so the songwriter of this he says he wanted to create
that bright and shiny feelingthat using meth gives people so
that's why we get this very likePoppy uplifting like bouncy song
because that's the feelingapparently believe in

Sage (49:59):
I mean him makes sense now it makes a lot of sense now.

Genesis (50:02):
Yeah, you might listen to this a little different if
you were to hear this on one ofthose but again the radio took
out and actually when I did lookup the radio they are the radio
radio edits and they sort of dothis like the part where he
talks where he specificallymentioned crystal Matt they
scramble a little bit and thenjust speeds to the next set of

(50:23):
lines. So they they cut out alot of the stuff or at least
garbled the specific mentions todrug use and so when we hear
this we and like you said he'snot even open his mouth so it's
even hard to catch his lyricsbut diving deep we see

Sage (50:41):
what you're doing. If he probably was opening his mouth
to the best of his ability

Genesis (50:47):
that's a good point.
That is a good point. Third EyeBlind so that is who's the lead
singer? That is that Steven isSteven Jenkins. Okay. And

Sage (51:05):
so many team moves

Genesis (51:09):
just laminine crystal meth usage Good job. Hey go but
doesn't look like he's dead. Somaybe he was able to overcome
that abuse Okay, so the next oneI have definitely Rick knows

Rick (51:27):
I'm you guys shocked you are still putting faith in

Genesis (51:32):
Well, we've already brought him up several times
already. So and maybe this is alittle bit more on the nose as
far as its meaning but stillcurious what you guys think and
maybe for those listening mightnot have

Sage (51:47):
a lot of people didn't notice what this song was about.

Genesis (51:52):
I will then you will let me know that as well. So
without further ado and I knowshe'll be the death of me. And
she'll always get the best of meworst is yet to come. But at

(52:15):
least the beautiful.

Unknown (52:19):
Yes, I know.

Genesis (52:21):
Is that the song you were thinking? Okay, Rick, who
is this? That

Rick (52:26):
is the weekend? I definitely know who that is. I
have been told countless times Ilook like him. I don't see I
don't say anything I think it'sa little racist to be honest
with you. Not all light skinnedmen look alike. Well, you know,
okay.

Sage (52:45):
No light skinned was the

Genesis (52:49):
same thing I say when people say look like sec alpha
neck is so fuck you.

Rick (52:53):
I thought you're about to say Zac Efron all right

Genesis (53:01):
all right. I shouldn't have opened this can of worms. I
was leaning more towards oh butdon't even wreck What do you
think this song is about? Do youknow what the song is about? Or
do you have a guess?

Rick (53:13):
I mean, with the weekend my first guess is a breakup with
a girl or like

Unknown (53:20):
I can't feel my face when I'm with you.

Sage (53:49):
To the fact that this song was getting played in
commercials kids were singingalong to it they were to radio
might not know what the song isabout.

Rick (53:58):
First guess drug to him him taking drugs and going with
a girl to some party or club orsome Australia say do

Genesis (54:07):
you want to break it down with what you

Sage (54:09):
saw? Absolutely none do what a girl that whole songs
about cocaine sir. Yeah.

Genesis (54:16):
Well, I think it is a little deeper than that. But
yes, that is so this is aboutdrugs. But this is kind of
something that you know commondid with I used to love her. And
where he is talking about thegirl but the girl in the story
is his his addiction

Sage (54:33):
and not know specifically cocaine.

Genesis (54:39):
Cocaine addiction is addiction. The drug is cocaine
but like the woman in the songis is the personification of his
literal addiction. Like if Ipulled this addiction out of
them and it was a woman. That'swhat he's talking about. And I'm
researching for this episode.
And then listening to the songand hearing those lyrics that
shit hits what Hey harder likewhen you know the meaning behind

(55:01):
this I want to play it back alittle bit from the start and
we'll just kind of feel itagain. So with that in mind I
know which Yeah, I didn't knowfirst first line right there and
I know she'll be the death of meat least phenom like and she
always gets the best of me theworst is yet to come. Always get

(55:23):
the best

Sage (55:27):
people for the song fucking Super Bowl

Genesis (55:33):
I mean it's a good song but Jesus that fucking heads
like when you think about anaddicts point of view and I've
been around so many addicts mylife like like I just It told
them a little bit you know? Weboth know we can't go without
it.

Sage (55:52):
I mean, it's a banger now

Genesis (55:58):
and I can't feel my face you know?

Sage (56:01):
Talking to in the club singing this song about cool
some bitch i don't know

Genesis (56:11):
I'm kind of mad that the most liked comment on the
song is most talented pineappleI've ever seen. It's kind of
bogus. To me the worst is allthe misery was necessary when
you're deep in love, like, Bach.
That's like addiction rightthere. Right

Sage (56:39):
try not to get up and dance right now.

Genesis (56:43):
You're like, Fuck the deal.

Sage (56:48):
I know. I knew it was about like, oh shit. He's really
gonna know. I'm over that now.

Genesis (56:54):
Did you know that?
Like, right off the bat. Did youdid you find out

Sage (56:59):
I found out I think maybe a couple months after he came
out.

Genesis (57:02):
Yeah, and he just kind of pulled a

Sage (57:06):
eureka moment. Listen to it. Oh man. Yeah, I'll do some
shit. But man

Genesis (57:12):
it's a beggar you're not into the lyrics like that.
But does that does that changethe song for you in any way?

Rick (57:18):
Uh, no, not really.
Because I don't have that muchof a problem with detaching
artists from art you know what Imean? Or I'm sorry I can detach
them from the United mean likeI'm No darling my words here
because I'm nervous that thisfucking alarm would go off again
but yeah, like I It doesn'tchange my opinion at all. You

(57:44):
know? It's a good song. Um, itsounds like he was battling an
addiction pretty heavily. But itsounds like he got over

Sage (57:53):
using your logic then would you publicly say that you
still listen to it?

Rick (57:57):
I will publicly say those not okay. Any day number the
number is off limits that's theonly solid right thing all
right. This thing gave me a wayto born with it and that track
like they were gonna get

Genesis (58:13):
into some of that a little later just as a warning
that aren't Kelly but

Sage (58:18):
you still listening are killing like what headphones?

Rick (58:22):
Like there are some are Kelly's like, bro? I believe I
can fly like No, like you gonnasay tell me that. That's not a
banger? No.

Genesis (58:30):
Well, there was. There was one that I was going to put
on this list. But then I didn'treally have a whole lot of
evidence, but maybe it'ssomething you guys had already
known. But another another signthat came up in researching for
this episode was blurred lines.
And I had no idea what thatactually meant. But a lot of
people call it out as RobinThicke. Ah, yes.

Rick (58:52):
Okay. Yeah.

Genesis (58:56):
Blurred Lines is supposed to mean like, okay,
right the blurred know theBlurred Lines of consent the age
of consent. Oh, is it Oh, yeah.
Whoa, there's a lot ofcontroversy even today about
like that song.

Sage (59:10):
I mean, if you watch the videos be more controversy.

Genesis (59:15):
That was something I came across too. But the only
reason I didn't want to put itin as far as something for us to
really break down is the lyricsthemselves don't really showcase
that. I mean, you could kind ofget there. It's kind of more
like just pervy dude. Like hey,that's almost toxic.

Sage (59:30):
In music video cost him his marriage.

Rick (59:33):
Oh, for sure. But I think he I've heard I don't know if
you guys ever watched desus andmero. When they were doing their
Showtime shit. Meryl wasrecently on another podcast and
he was talking about some of hiswildest guests. And Paula Patton
was one of them. And Meryl wasbasically alluding to that Paula

(59:56):
Patton is actually the wild one.
And just Robin Thicke was justhave a follow on her.

Genesis (01:00:02):
Oh Ellen fair. I

Sage (01:00:07):
don't think he was TV. How about your mother's TV's dead
for a while?

Rick (01:00:15):
That's funny. I didn't know it was about the age of
consent, though. Yeah,

Genesis (01:00:20):
I mean, it's just what people are talking about. I
didn't I went to the lyrics abunch and I couldn't really find
anything to really support it.
Aside from the Blurred Linestitle and sort of the context of
the song itself. But there wasno like, lyrics like, Oh, she's
19, but could be 18. I didn'treally know blued lungs wasn't
like specific like that. Butcheck it out on your own time

(01:00:44):
that I didn't have enough reallysupporting lyrics to really go
with the claim that a lot ofpeople are talking about that
song.

Sage (01:00:52):
Did you know that? Because you know, Pharrell made the
beat. Yeah, all the frillsbeats. The first couple bars and
the beat are the same barrepeated.

Genesis (01:01:04):
Like in every every beat the same?

Sage (01:01:07):
No, not not the same. It's the same beat for that song. But
it's the same bars repeated hedoes that on purpose, to kind of
catch the listeners attention.
Oh, interesting. Didn't noticethat too. Somebody pointed out
and I went back and I saw itsounds like soft pitch this
motherfucker. Like this.

Genesis (01:01:24):
It's a glass shatters and like reality is broken for a
moment.

Rick (01:01:29):
I mean, I'm going down this rabbit hole of blurred
lines, and holy shit.

Genesis (01:01:37):
Yeah. There's a lot of this discussion around that
song.

Rick (01:01:40):
I knew there was some discussion, but I thought the
discussion was about, likesampling Marvin Gaye, right.

Sage (01:01:47):
Hey, that was a whole nother thing too. Yeah. I
thought I thought was stupid. Ididn't I didn't hear Marvin Gaye
in that song.

Rick (01:01:54):
Yeah, I was stuck on that.
I had no clue about this. I

Genesis (01:02:00):
guess maybe I should have included that in the
discussion.

Rick (01:02:02):
I mean, he's talking about like there's one lyric that goes
I hate these Blurred Lines. Iknow you want it do it like it
hurt what you don't like wordairy reavie

Genesis (01:02:14):
It's crazy like it's it's fucking very creepy. Like
when you don't hear it in like asoothing song voice you know

Sage (01:02:22):
again, it's a banger

Genesis (01:02:28):
I want I'm gonna think differently every time it comes
on next though. Still. I don'tknow I guess I do kind of
gravitate more to lyrics eventhough I don't catch them on
first until like after like theweekend like I've listened to
that song tons of times. Neverknew. And now that I know like
the deeper meaning of it I feeldifferent listening to it. It

(01:02:52):
means different things

Sage (01:02:53):
too far down that rabbit hole. Sure, sure. It just came
out and then you're like, Okay,no, I can't listen to this. But
we were several several yearslater and I'm like yeah, well it
is what it is at this point.

Genesis (01:03:09):
I mean it's I'm guessing blurred line is not
even gonna make your top like 50Best Songs win a Grammy

Sage (01:03:16):
I'm sorry about this

Genesis (01:03:19):
that says a lot about our country but that's not like
yeah,

Sage (01:03:25):
no one wants several grand it won a Grammy you want to
NAACP or Billboard Music Award

Genesis (01:03:34):
that's that's probably also why it's also getting so
much controversy because it hadso many accolades like that
given what it was you know,breaking it down what it could
mean so the the next one I haveup here I think this kind of
runs on the same line as theweekend song bites let's see

(01:03:56):
what you guys think it doesn'tblow your eardrums out

Sage (01:04:15):
used to know what the song was about

Genesis (01:04:20):
Becky know the song Rick that want to know do you
want to learn from thechandelier. CHANDELIER Okay, you

(01:04:50):
got to know that song right,Rick?

Rick (01:04:52):
It definitely sounds familiar. But look, okay, so I'm
gonna be real with you and II've been wanting to save this
the whole recording because Idon't want to be that guy. But
it's really hard to focus on thesong because I hear sage more
than anything and I'm having ahard time understanding I mean I

(01:05:15):
didn't want to be that guythat's like see Could you show
me I can't put

Sage (01:05:19):
music around you know what I'm gonna do

Genesis (01:05:37):
still nothing no

Rick (01:05:50):
I mean obviously she she's saying chandelier

Sage (01:05:56):
get what it's about but I know she was going through it
you can hear the pain in hervoice like shut that shit.

Genesis (01:06:02):
I'm actually surprised like you haven't heard like your
daughter's listening becauseit's it's a popular song.

Rick (01:06:07):
Yeah, well you know what again? I'm I'm trying to keep
them from like no tick tock noYouTube and all that shit I'm

Sage (01:06:14):
pretty sure if they weren't if he walked in his
doors 123123

Genesis (01:06:22):
That's gonna give you a clue right there I don't even
know how to how do you pronounceher name sage properly is it
saya See, I

Sage (01:06:29):
don't even know who that is. And you know she's you know
the reason she wears a mask isbecause she's older. Older she
thinks she's like in her 40s butshe was you know, when she came
up she came up with that song.
She was supposed to be a popartist a young pop artist

Genesis (01:06:45):
I see

Rick (01:06:47):
that she's so they Yeah, she probably realized like

Sage (01:06:52):
she's rather she's let me see see yeah is

Genesis (01:07:00):
when you look that up so this is another one given
what you just kind of heard Idon't know how well you're able
to hear the lyrics over savedbut I didn't mind I have levels
on my end to control y'all but

Rick (01:07:16):
all I heard every song has pretty much been the hill

Genesis (01:07:21):
he gets excited man

Rick (01:07:25):
want to write out a phrase

Genesis (01:07:28):
that you said I'm glad it was it needed to be brought
up you know rah rah rah rah rahrah that's to say some so what
do you think that song is about?
Um and while he's gonna replace

Rick (01:07:40):
replay I push it down right there sounds so much like
Rihanna

Genesis (01:07:58):
but I can see that field

(01:08:19):
so her singing voice can kind ofmake the lyrics a little hard to
understand I suppose.

Rick (01:08:26):
I mean, just from that little bit i It sounds like
maybe like a breakup orsomething and she's drinking to
kind of get over it just seethat Yeah.

Sage (01:08:38):
Her second album is called Healing is difficult if that
gives you any clue

Rick (01:08:44):
Yeah, she's definitely getting over something and I'm
assuming she she's drinking tohelp get over whatever that is.
You're partly

Genesis (01:08:51):
correct. So she is talking about her addiction to
alcohol so what she's gettingover because she I believe is
recovered now and it sounds likethat second album may might
confirm that but yeah, that'swhat she's talking about in here

(01:09:12):
is her addiction with alcoholand we kind of start with the
first sort of lines where partygirls don't get hurt can't
feeling thing when will I learnI push it down push it down. And
then the next set you know shegoes into talking about I'm the
one that's always called for thegood time 123123 Drink thrown
back till I lose count so she'sthis party girl. But she's

(01:09:36):
really going through some shitand swinging through the from
the chandelier she's it'sbasically I don't know if it's a
metaphor. She really thinks fromchandeliers but just I'm gonna
live like tomorrow doesn'texist. Because it's all just in
the moment here and she gets alittle deeper into it. And
again, you know, like knowingthat this is about her battle

(01:09:58):
with alcohol addict. couldn'tfind the words themselves stand
out a little harder I guess atleast for me they did they do
now gonna fly like a bird to thenight feel my tears as they dry

(01:10:27):
that's dark that's pain in sageyou called it like you could
feel the pain in her voice soshe's belting this out you know

Sage (01:10:35):
true and that's why I think you can tell it goes full
circle from that song totitanium and titanium you can
see like I I made it throughlike nothing can stop me nothing
holding me back anymore

Genesis (01:10:54):
that's that's kind of inspiring to you know to hear
that that just gave me somechills to think about if you
think about so we just heardthat but I'm holding on for dear
life won't look down will openmy eyes keep my glass fill until
the morning lightI'm just holding on for tonight.

(01:11:25):
Help me I'm holding on for dearlife like she's calling out in
the plain plain sight hear me Ithink that's real deep and then

(01:11:50):
and then the next set of do isthink a lot of us drinkers know
about that? Fame. So see achandelier battling her alcohol

(01:12:13):
abuse alcohol addictions.

Sage (01:12:20):
When you listen to I can't even like okay, so she made it
through. You beat it. That'slet's let's delay excuse shout
it out. But I can't hear wheredo you say I'm talking loud. Not
saying much. I'm criticize. Butall your bullets ricochet they
shoot me down but I get up. I'mbulletproof. Nothing to lose. So
fire away fire away. ricochettake your name fire away fire

(01:12:44):
away. She's like,

Genesis (01:12:46):
that's yeah, she's I have a lot more respect for her
and her ability to to reallytell these kinds of stories in
such a powerful way. You know? Idefinitely a lot more respect.

Sage (01:13:01):
She hasn't really put out a song. A mainstream song.
Didn't like I've never listenedto her album. So I can't tell
you anything about that.

Genesis (01:13:10):
Maybe she was trying to deal with her recovery and shit.
Taking a break, you know, tryingto avoid the Hotel California
you know,

Sage (01:13:20):
to California. She's from Australia. She's actually gonna
be alright

Genesis (01:13:27):
okay, this next one's a little this one's a quick one I
just wanted to throw in here. Ijust only have a few more left.
But this one i i think it waskind of interesting to um let me
see where the started with that.
Now we all have heard the songmaybe not by the original

Sage (01:13:50):
somebody somebody's in here

Genesis (01:13:51):
I swear to god Rick listen you're gonna you might
not know this artists but youhad to There's no fucking way
you haven't heard the songbefore?

Rick (01:14:04):
You underestimate my lack

Genesis (01:14:09):
let's see and we'll start right here

Unknown (01:14:14):
You Are My Sunshine. My only sunshine really? Make me
happy

Sage (01:14:23):
when sketch Have you seen this like in kindergarten

Genesis (01:14:33):
please don't take my sunshine

Sage (01:14:36):
prefer Will Smith's version from Fresh Prince what
he just up as the flower

Rick (01:14:43):
Oh my goodness.

Genesis (01:14:44):
Rick, please tell me you know those lyrics? Yes, I
know the lyrics. Okay. Good.
Good enough, because So, JohnnyCash. Yes, the artists Yes,

Rick (01:14:55):
that's what that is.
Surprisingly. I can Hello ishim.

Sage (01:15:01):
Not Johnny? Johnny Cash?

Rick (01:15:04):
Not I'm not I haven't really heard anything of note.
But I've heard enough to knowwhat his voice sounds like.

Genesis (01:15:13):
The interesting thing about this song is that
generally the song just kind ofends there, right? We sing it to
our loved ones, you know,parents sing it to their kids.
There's the second verse calledGod say, are you familiar with
this?

Sage (01:15:29):
No, I'm not. But that being said, no second verse can
be worse than the second verseto the fucking the political
allegiance and that the Pledgeof Allegiance.

Rick (01:15:41):
I suppose the holy shit there's something in

Sage (01:15:47):
the national anthem versus national anthem

Genesis (01:15:52):
that's all I do remember something about that? I
don't remember what they were. Ido remember

Sage (01:15:57):
the reason nobody thinks

Rick (01:16:01):
larious they call it people hard hours and shit.

Sage (01:16:05):
You're not far off

Genesis (01:16:11):
well, let's check out the second set of lyrics that
goes on with this beautifulsong. You are my sunshine, which
Rick? What does that mean? It'seasy, right?

Rick (01:16:22):
Yeah, he's probably talking about a girl right?
Maybe a daughter or a kid orsomething like that.

Genesis (01:16:27):
She could apply it to really anybody just anybody you
love

Rick (01:16:30):
God are you about to tell me he was like a pedophile or
some shit?

Genesis (01:16:34):
Because baby person Oh my god. Yeah, maybe he would
have known by now Johnny Cashwas a baby person.

Rick (01:16:40):
I mean, times you know, kind of weird.

Unknown (01:16:46):
Take my sunshine away.

Rick (01:16:52):
Oh, as he told me I like liquor alcohol.

Genesis (01:16:57):
Like I could see someone like the

Rick (01:17:00):
only thing that makes me happy is booze. No disrespect to
the job

Unknown (01:17:15):
I've always loved you and made you happy. And nothing
else could come between. But nowyou've left me to love another.
You have shattered all of myextreme. You are my sunshine. My

(01:17:43):
only you make me

Genesis (01:17:48):
that's actually pretty depressing.

Sage (01:17:51):
I mean, it's Johnny Kara.
She's not really a happy person.

Genesis (01:17:55):
But the song is evolved. I mean, maybe it's
taken on its own form justbecause those the first set of
lyrics that we hear is somethingpretty beautiful and that you
can brighten your loved ones dayyou know by that. But a song is
really about his whoever he'stalking about leaving him and

(01:18:18):
loving another person andcrushing his sunshine.

Sage (01:18:23):
That's honestly what I would have thought the song was
about.

Genesis (01:18:26):
Yeah. Oh, just from the even just from the original
lyrics, I guess.

Sage (01:18:32):
I mean, that's what I highly doubt, singing about a
sunshine.

Genesis (01:18:38):
But think of how many like children's toys that when
you press the button singingthose lyrics?

Sage (01:18:43):
Let people change the meaning of things. Look at. Take
Disney case. Look at LittleMermaid. Yeah. Or Viking beauty
in the beasts. Those stories andDisney are nice and fun. The
real stories are dark andtwisted. Oh yeah,

Genesis (01:19:00):
there's Graham Shay, right. That's another episode I
wanted to do is talking aboutthe childhood stories and
they're like,

Sage (01:19:08):
You need to go that far back. You'd look at Alice in
Wonderland. Oh, yeah. It's alittle trippy. But you know,
it's a fun family movie. And youread through the looking glass.
You're like, No, my kids arenever watching this.

Rick (01:19:21):
That's weird. Now, you know. Speaking of childhood
stories are either of youexcited to see that Winnie the
Pooh? The horrible oh my gosh,

Genesis (01:19:30):
I'm excited. I'm super excited. Yeah,

Rick (01:19:33):
I think I'm gonna check. I thought it

Sage (01:19:34):
was a joke. Then I saw the trailer and I was like, I'm here
for every second of this.

Genesis (01:19:39):
Yeah. It was like

Rick (01:19:41):
something like this is some April bullshit. And then no
100% Real

Sage (01:19:47):
that come out before October. If I need it, I need it
for my movie night.

Genesis (01:19:56):
Like that's gonna be a Wait, what is the date on?

Sage (01:19:58):
I'm looking right now. I'm not sure Oh, we need to prove
Blood and Honey ethnic

Rick (01:20:03):
Blood and Honey Dude, that's hilarious.

Sage (01:20:07):
does have a release date yet? At least a development from
the field began. So they juststarted filming in January.

Rick (01:20:24):
I mean, if it's shitty enough, they can get it out. You
know?

Sage (01:20:28):
They wanted to do it a long time ago, but Disney lost
the rights to Winnie the Pooh inJanuary. So that's when they
bought the rights and started sothey can make the movie

Rick (01:20:41):
did Wait, do we know?
Disney loss rights to a bunch ofother stuff? Or was it just that
one where they caught?

Sage (01:20:47):
I'm pretty sure I'm surprised they did after
winning. That's like one of thestaples.

Rick (01:20:53):
Because like some more Disney shit. That's like, you
know, darker tone like could youhave met not Snow White?

Sage (01:21:02):
No. The real Snow White story. Yeah, that'd be dope.

Rick (01:21:05):
Yeah, yeah, that'd be kind of dope. I love it you know
that's also a little little raypeople you know a little Rabee
speaking on your bass fan or

Genesis (01:21:19):
no just the next song I just really got to apologize
because I I think I might beruining this song for a lot of
people say Do you might bealready on on the in the know on
this and it took me to reallydive in into the lyrics on this
to catch this feeling. But Ithink we're going to be ruining

(01:21:43):
the song for a lot of people andI apologize for that. Um Are you
ready? Yes sir. That

Sage (01:21:53):
place I'm stupid. Of course.

Genesis (01:21:55):
It's no it's not well Detrick.

Rick (01:22:07):
I really can't say oh,

Sage (01:22:11):
the good part about elf

Rick (01:22:15):
Rick, you know the song. I know I've heard the controversy
around it about also being alittle rapey but I never really
did any deep dive research onit. I just I you know, I've
heard all the outrage whenoutrage culture was starting to
take off

Genesis (01:22:36):
yeah, it might be warranted because I think it's a
little more than a little rapeysay to you are you familiar with
the controversy around? No, butI love that song.

Sage (01:22:47):
So I apologize not gonna ruin the song for me again. Like
I said, we're already down thatrabbit hole

Genesis (01:22:54):
let's let's analyze these lyrics I really can't so
we got a conversation betweentwo people. He's trying to keep

(01:23:16):
her to bear start to saying Igotta go my mom's gonna worry.
There will be pacing Dad's gonnaworry. Better.

Sage (01:23:29):
Who says scary 40s neighbors my

Genesis (01:23:38):
daughter you can't leave
Yeah, more than a little raping.
No calves out here. I wish Iknew I wish I knew how to break

(01:24:00):
the spell. Yeah. To say no. Ijust say no, no, no, sir. I'm
gonna say that. What's the senseinherent my pride

(01:24:21):
it's worse I simply must go.

Sage (01:24:34):
Joey is in his house.

Genesis (01:24:38):
The answer is no. Well, yeah,

Sage (01:24:40):
think about it too. This is it was completely different
time and generation back then. Imean, it was completely
acceptable to beat your woman.
Oh

Genesis (01:24:54):
the 100 acceptable from other taller man. I don't think
the women were protected. I

Sage (01:25:04):
mean, I mean they didn't like it either. They didn't like
it, but it was it was just thecommon norm sadly but it was a
different time people aredifferent now it's not. They
wouldn't go and fly. But yeah,

Genesis (01:25:17):
the lyrics are pretty, pretty blatant. And we you know,
hold this up as being you know,Christmas classic and

Sage (01:25:24):
frankly my dear, I don't give a damn
so now he's killing her.

Genesis (01:25:38):
is so fucking creepy.
Wait, no, I

Rick (01:25:40):
grew up playing

Genesis (01:25:42):
it. Yeah.

Rick (01:25:44):
I really didn't make that hurt.

Unknown (01:25:47):
window at that sister will be my father will

Genesis (01:25:55):
be there at the

Rick (01:26:00):
time to whisper a little bit

Genesis (01:26:03):
he says it twice.

Rick (01:26:06):
Like did you hear the way his voice changed? Oh, dudes.
Weird. You free lead me up toyour knees. You really? When you
touch?

Sage (01:26:26):
I mean, if anything to me, it sounds like he's been a
perfect gentleman. He doesn'twant her to go outside. It is
cold. Like, you know, cars backthen didn't work that well. It
could have been a fuckingblizzard. He's like, look, you
can just chill here. I keep youwarm.

Rick (01:26:43):
Right? You hang out with me.

Genesis (01:26:46):
That's sure that's one like how do you get around the
way What was that in my drink?
From the spell but

Rick (01:26:56):
like Craig said though, like think or like sage said we
know it's too late. But thetimes are different. Right?
Because back then you couldalmost pressure girls into
eventually saying yes. Now. Youknow obviously that's completely
unacceptable. Like if a girlsays no the first time you're

(01:27:19):
done, you know, leave it alone.
But back then, like I'm sayingall that to say like I don't
know if it's fair to scrutinizesomething based off of an 18
year old lens. You know what Imean? Like it's of course
they're things that were bad. So

Genesis (01:27:34):
very,

Sage (01:27:36):
and also we knew maybe she really liked that drink. Never
had. What was it? Maybe I wantto make it again. Yeah.

Genesis (01:27:47):
We'll write the lyrics.
They sound a little pervy.
Sorry,

Rick (01:27:56):
looking at those lyrics right now, that is the creepiest
shit I've ever heard. very

Genesis (01:28:01):
manipulative. You're gonna hurt my pride if you
leave, like manipulative.

Rick (01:28:05):
Oh, yeah. You're manipulating her to, to do what
you want her to do, even thoughI mean, she's said no. He said
no. Like at this point, like,what are you doing? Like, give
it up now? Not I'm sorry, notheard him. Give him give it up.
Let me clarify.

Sage (01:28:25):
Maybe he thought it was one of those. It was one of
those times where, you know,she's saying no, but she doesn't
really mean no.

Genesis (01:28:34):
You don't need to defend it. Because there are

Rick (01:28:36):
some guys that don't.
Like, okay, I'm just looking

Sage (01:28:40):
at it. I'm looking at a fair point. Like, first like
when like women say No means no,no. doesn't always mean no.

Rick (01:28:47):
Well, I don't agree with him there. No, it depends.

Sage (01:28:51):
It depends on how they say no, there's a difference between
No, stop it or No, stop it.
That's a big difference.

Rick (01:29:00):
I want to record this show that Rick has not said that.

Sage (01:29:04):
Okay. Am I wrong? Am I wrong? Am I wrong?

Rick (01:29:08):
I don't want that. No, but like, I don't know the
difference. Because like, Ican't tell the difference
anymore. And this could just beme getting old. But I can't tell
the difference between a girlbeing just nice. Or a girl
actually flirting with me. Somaybe, maybe in this scenario,
the guy's just like, you know,may have I? I don't know. I'm

(01:29:29):
trying to get away that. I don'tknow how to.

Genesis (01:29:33):
It's kind of hard. It's weird. It's very creepy. It is.

Sage (01:29:40):
But also, again, just being fair. When does personal
accountability come into this?

Genesis (01:29:48):
She was trying to

Sage (01:29:49):
No, no, she wasn't talking. She could have just
left. At no point. Did she sayhe had no point. Did he grab her
or anything?

Genesis (01:29:56):
No. Well, we're talking I love The touch of your hand so
he can would have been grabbingher that was

Sage (01:30:01):
that was like in a second verse, she had a whole first
verse to get the fuck out of

Genesis (01:30:06):
the song is two minutes long.

Rick (01:30:09):
One did this all come up?
Oh shit

Genesis (01:30:15):
1949

Rick (01:30:17):
We're talking about when women were not people.

Sage (01:30:23):
You're worried about what I said?

Genesis (01:30:26):
Nobody say that I Genesis.

Rick (01:30:30):
I'm not saying that I'm saying that's the reality of the
times. Back then they didn'thave the same mental, you know,
thought process they have nowwhere you try to achieve today,
you're getting kicked in theday, and no one is gonna applaud
it.

Genesis (01:30:45):
That's true. Yeah. But what I think is important about
that song is that she is she isshe has a voice and she's using
her voice to say, you know, alot of the stories that we see
that come out of that time isthat they may have just sucked
it up, you know, and he's doinga lot of convincing trying to
get her to stay through thisentire interaction. But she is
saying no, no, no, no. And atsome point, like, there is no

(01:31:09):
more availability of personalaccountability.

Rick (01:31:12):
Yeah. I don't know. The song is very rapey. For sure.
Like I don't know how clear

Sage (01:31:24):
to push the envelope.

Rick (01:31:27):
Push the envelope. What

Genesis (01:31:29):
does that even mean? I don't know.

Sage (01:31:33):
No, does not necessarily always mean no.

Genesis (01:31:38):
Yes, I get what you're saying sage when you say no
stop, or no.

Rick (01:31:44):
There are two there clearly hurt. She wasn't

Genesis (01:31:46):
playful. No, it wasn't

Sage (01:31:47):
mean no one either. It was kind of just to what she said.
Because she cuz she said shekept saying no. But then calling
him baby. I'm like

Genesis (01:31:58):
she was trying to be nice. She didn't want to hurt
us. And he's like, No, I gottago. You know, everybody's
worried about me. And she's alsoshe's also letting him know how
many people know that she'sthere. So he doesn't rape and
murder her. She's like myauntie, my mom, my dad, my
brother. She's, I don't

Sage (01:32:14):
see what would have mattered back in that day.
Because you could move one townover and nobody would ever be
able to find you.

Rick (01:32:25):
What I want to know how many people when when it came
out that this song wasproblematic? A couple years ago.
I wonder how many negative? Imean, how many people were
sitting at home and just startedsweating bullets realize like,
oh, shit, I've pressured thatgirl in this thing over and like
that song is literally verbatimwhat happened to this guy. Just

(01:32:48):
like, Oh,

Sage (01:32:50):
guys these days? Well, most guys, I know, these days
are different. Like if they hada chick over trying to smash.
And she's like, Wow, no, no, Ican't I want to know like, I bet
you get up.

Genesis (01:33:06):
Early, not the route.
This guy took no, he was going DHey, you're gonna get pneumonia
and die if you

Sage (01:33:13):
plan the car he was dealt.

Genesis (01:33:18):
And whatever else he put in that drink, you're just
assuming you're just assuming Iit's she again. I am taking it.

Sage (01:33:26):
Like I said she could have just really liked the drink. It
also could have been somethingin the drink. But same time have
roofie has really been aroundthat long. Has date rape and
been around since 1940.

Genesis (01:33:38):
There was there was ludes

Rick (01:33:40):
ludes. That's funny. The play loose. Yeah, no, I know. I
know what you meant. Like, oh,my goodness, this song is I
remember. I don't remember whereexactly. I heard it for the
first time. But I remember thecontroversy came out for the
song. And I heard just like alittle snippet and was like, Oh,

(01:34:02):
I gotta turn this off. This isreally pressuring very,

Genesis (01:34:08):
it does kind of ruin the the elf scene for me with
Zoe Dacian.

Sage (01:34:12):
Did you see the only scene in the movie I like?

Rick (01:34:16):
I guess they remade the song. Yeah, with Sammy Davis,
Jr. and Dean Martin remade

Sage (01:34:23):
that song with Lady Gaga.
And what's his name? TonyBennett, I think was it.

Rick (01:34:39):
John Legend and Kelly Clarkson did.

Sage (01:34:41):
Everybody's cast this before

Genesis (01:34:43):
the notable controversy or?

Rick (01:34:46):
No, I don't know. John Legend and Kelly Clarkson's
versions was 1990 and are now2019. Sorry, holy shit.

Sage (01:34:55):
That was Lady Gaga and Tony Bennett did it in 2017.
And then Michael blue blade didit with somebody. I don't know.

Genesis (01:35:07):
It's again it's a classic Christmas song but
listening to it word for word. Icould see I could see some
disdain for it and coming offChristmas playlists does a
little it's it's very raping. I

Sage (01:35:25):
mean, it is cold outside.

Rick (01:35:27):
But there has been I'm kinda not comfortable with like,
like there's been a remix ofthis song every year since 1998.
Gotta

Sage (01:35:38):
keep it alive. Keep by

Rick (01:35:41):
Jessica Simpson and Nicholas che did one. Oh, wow.

Genesis (01:35:44):
That's because I could sell the like the Christmas.

Rick (01:35:47):
It's all every year. Yeah.
All Christmas music

Sage (01:35:50):
AGL and Lady Gaga did this all together. How many people
she said

Genesis (01:35:59):
Well, you might hear it a little differently now. Sorry,
sorry, those listening to thisepisode that I just destroyed.
Oh, I do apologize.

Sage (01:36:10):
Oh, this is actually pretty cool. So for the Lady
Gaga and Joseph Gordon levyversion. He singing the woman's
part and she's doing the guyspart.

Genesis (01:36:21):
Ah, oh. Okay.

Rick (01:36:25):
Now here's you want to know what's funny though. The I
think his name is Frankloetscher. He's the songwriter
during the 1948 whenever harder.
It's a lot worse, a lot worse.
Oh, it says during the 1940swhenever Hollywood celebrities

(01:36:48):
with vocal talents attendedparties, they were expected to
perform songs. In 1944 Lozierwrote Baby it's cold outside the
sing with his wife at theirhousewarming party in New York
City, and the song was made toindicate to guests that it was
time to leave the song the songwas created as an indicator that

(01:37:10):
it was time to go. And it is oneof the most rapey songs ever.
How does that

Sage (01:37:17):
sound nice? Well, because well

Genesis (01:37:22):
I don't want my need to get

Rick (01:37:23):
cancelled. It's all it says in 1948, after years of
performing the song, Loeser sodato MGM in 1949 for the romantic
comedy Neptune's daughter,Garland was furious. I felt as
if it was a betrayal. Like Icaught him in bed with another
woman. Wow.

Sage (01:37:43):
See, I told you. I told you it wasn't a no it was no I
don't think his wife got mad.
Mad and she said for like it wasbetrayal.

Rick (01:38:00):
I was just gonna say it also won an Academy Award for
Best song. Yeah. Pete says itwas written in 1944 and actually
published in 1949.

Genesis (01:38:13):
And I don't know so the version we just heard though,
wasn't sung by him though. Thatwas Johnny Mercer and Margaret
waiting waiting. So I don't knowif he was just a writer or did
he actually was the the singerwas the original singer for it.

Unknown (01:38:31):
Ah,

Rick (01:38:32):
all I see here is just he was just a lyricist. So it looks
like he just actually wrote themusic. He didn't actually
perform it.

Unknown (01:38:40):
Oh yeah.

Rick (01:38:42):
Cuz on here it says it was performed by me. It doesn't say
actually. Yeah, just I didn'tsay who was actually some pie.
It says it got popular by themovie Neptune's daughter. That's
what catapulted it.

Genesis (01:39:03):
Oh, okay. Well, there you have it. Maybe it's cold
outside ruined for everybodyexcept sage.

Sage (01:39:12):
I'm just saying the facts are kind of more skewed in my
favor. But okay.

Genesis (01:39:16):
I guess agree. Well, if

Sage (01:39:19):
you disagree if he wrote the software his life so the
song and then his wife got madthat he sold the song saying it
was a betrayal that theyactually divorced her very soon.
Because it sounded like youknow, it was like he was
sleeping with another woman.
That wasn't a that wasn't a no Idon't want to do this. No, that
was a playful now.

Genesis (01:39:38):
I'll just use your Adam Levine logic and say he was just
bullshitting when he said that

Sage (01:39:43):
he said or did his wife say theirs? Is the question.

Genesis (01:39:47):
They were both bullshitting the size rapey live
with it.

Sage (01:39:51):
You just like to think rape in your brain. Everything
doesn't have to be ready. Thefirst rate, you can put any song
until the connotation of rightbefore Really think about it.

Genesis (01:40:03):
I don't want to think about that.

Sage (01:40:06):
I'm just like my favorite song Tevin Campbell. Can we
talk? He's talking to shatterand that song did not know until
last year.

Genesis (01:40:16):
Was that other the stalker song? Kid was that Oh, I
can't remember the artist now.
Rem the one way it's like, clearthat he's stalking somebody

Sage (01:40:33):
Adam Levine was stalking and Songs About Jane the first
the first real hit from thatalbum was she will be loved. And
you said I don't mind spinningevery day out on a corner in the
pouring rain. Just looking atyour window.

Rick (01:40:51):
Oh my god.

Sage (01:40:52):
That's sorry. Bruh

Rick (01:40:54):
You said that's okay. Oh yeah.

Sage (01:40:59):
But people are eating.
lapping it up with a spoon.

Genesis (01:41:04):
So this next one, you will be forgiven for not knowing
the meaning of this and sage isgoing to laugh a lot once he
hears the song. So if you don'tknow what the song means, I
don't blame you because probablynobody ever did and nobody took
the time to actually analyzethese lyrics. I still whoa

(01:41:27):
Parker

Sage (01:41:27):
gently Tenacious D or not.

Genesis (01:41:32):
That was pretty fun and easy to understand. But I don't
know I'll be surprised if Rickknows this but I seem to not be
good at guessing what he's whathe does know or doesn't know so
let's just kick it off

Sage (01:42:13):
fucking nobody understand this motherfucker

Genesis (01:42:23):
Have you heard this song before? Rick

Rick (01:42:29):
Do you mind playing it

Genesis (01:42:30):
again and say give me the chorus

Rick (01:42:47):
you know that sounds like I don't know if it's him but it
kind of sounds like puddle ofmud.

Sage (01:42:55):
Only do the song lyrics can be in front of you and
you'll still be like What

Genesis (01:43:01):
are we're gonna try our hand at it because this is
actually pretty interesting. Ibelieve by stage I you've heard
this before?

Sage (01:43:11):
Before I've tried to even flow probably about 20 times I
just can't do it

Genesis (01:43:21):
even flows into concrete

Sage (01:43:29):
talking about

Genesis (01:43:30):
Yeah, I don't know what you just said. He's a little bit
more coherent in this song. So Ithink we could pull the meaning
a little bit easier. But this isJeremy by Pearl Jam. One of my
favorite bands growing up when Iwas into my mid fucking early
90s alternative. That's music.
Oh, yeah. Anyways, so the song'scalled Jeremy. This song is

(01:43:57):
based on a true story of a kidwho had a shitty life bullied in
school and he killed himself infront of the class. And we're
going to explore that a littlebit so the song starts off

(01:44:39):
home drawings, drawing picturesof mountain tops with him on top
lemon yellow suns. arms raisedin a V lay in pools of Maroon
below. I can assume the maroonbelow is the blood.

Sage (01:44:53):
What? What type of drugs was he on? I just need

Genesis (01:44:59):
yeah I would like to know that too Daddy didn't give
attentionDaddy didn't give attention to
the fact that Mommy didn't careKing Jeremy the wicked ruled his

(01:45:19):
worldso that the chorus today which I
didn't know these were the extralayers because again who is that
Eddie Vetter? Is that? Yeah,Eddie Vetter so the chorus is
Jeremy spoken class today andwhat that is I guess a metaphor

(01:45:42):
for is that Jeremy killedhimself in class today because
Jeremy didn't speak in classright like he's the shut in
doesn't raise his hand and theykind of explore some of those
lyrics a little bit

Sage (01:46:03):
he said Jeremy's let

Genesis (01:46:06):
Jeremy spoke in class today
lately I remember picking themthe boys seem to harmless little
fuck when we released the lionyou gonna fight with them

(01:46:52):
gonna go into so that's that'sthe rest of the song is just
repeating this chorus Jeremyspoke in class they tried to
forget this tried to erase thisfrom the blackboard. He

Sage (01:47:09):
was just not a happy person.

Genesis (01:47:12):
Again, this is this one was based on a true story. There
was an actual Jeremy Yeah, whohere's a 15 year old kid in
Texas. And he was picked onbullied had the same shitty
upbringing. And he took it 357in class and killed himself in
front of the entire Englishclass. Wow. Crazy. And that's

(01:47:39):
what I was saying. Jeremy spokein class today. He never spoke
never rose his hand. He wasquiet. Jeremy spoke means like
heat. That's how he spoke. Hekilled himself. Yeah. Dark. I
actually liked this. I didn'tknow the meaning behind it.
Because again, it's hard tounderstand that you better 90%
of this. Maybe you could pullthe lyrics as we slowed it down

(01:48:02):
a little bit. Everybody's been

Sage (01:48:04):
generous. Well, in case you were wondering, I did just
look up what the hell even flowhe was talking about.

Genesis (01:48:11):
Oh, yeah, yeah, that's he was

Sage (01:48:15):
describing the experience of being a homeless man who can
handle panhandles to passers byfor spare change.

Genesis (01:48:24):
I got lyrics now.
Because how, but it's probablyvery blatant. We just can't
understand him at all. I lovethe TIC TOCs. To that like,
like, if you see them there.
They put the jumbled up lyricsas the he's singing in it's
like, you know, bla bla bla bla.
And it's like, I really feltthat when Pearl Jam saying this,

Sage (01:48:49):
my favorite. Adam Sandler back in the day in SNL, he did a
whole skit where he was editing.

Genesis (01:48:55):
Yeah. Adam Sandler is probably the perfect one to do
that. Ah, okay, I only got I gotthree more. The next two. I
think there'll be quick ones. Sothis one here, Rick, if if you
don't know this song, I'm gonnaprobably just disconnect all

(01:49:20):
communications with you forlife. Oh my goodness.
Really. Okay, Rick, please. Yourfriends still?

Rick (01:49:41):
Yes, I tried to share Bob Marley. I guess I'm familiar
with

Sage (01:49:46):
what he's talking about.

Genesis (01:49:50):
Yeah, Ziggy Marley.
Okay, I should have been But ifyou really didn't want to be my
friend, right? We all know thesong. See sage this year? I
think you might call bullshit onsome of the things I'm gonna
talk about the song. But what doyou guys think this is about?

Sage (01:50:15):
I mean, he clearly shot the sheriff but he didn't shoot
the deputy. I'm thinking yousomehow he did a crime but not
the crime. He's getting accused.

Genesis (01:50:26):
Okay. That's an interesting point. Yes,
absolutely. I never thought ofit like that.

Rick (01:50:31):
I don't I don't know why.
For the longest time, I thoughthe literally shot us here. Got
away with like, you know, he wasbeing not accused of something.
But you know, a cop washarassing him and so

Sage (01:50:47):
you put it like that doesn't even have to be a crime.
He was just being accused ofsomething that he didn't do. He
didn't do something. Right. ButI didn't do this.

Genesis (01:50:55):
Right. Well, let's look at the his first the actual
first set of lyrics.

(01:51:27):
So you were able to get thoselyrics? And understand those
words. Yeah,

Sage (01:51:33):
you lean towards the deputy.

Genesis (01:51:36):
Yeah, so he said all around the whole

Sage (01:51:39):
time when he tracked me down and dragged me in for
killing of a deputy.

Genesis (01:51:43):
He didn't shoot the deputy, right. No,

Sage (01:51:46):
I didn't I didn't shoot it. Right.

Genesis (01:51:47):
I didn't do it. I shot the sheriff. Deputy. Okay, so
here's the here's someexplanation of what's going on
here in this song. And we havetwo two stories to go through
about this song. And this iswhere I think you're gonna call
bullshit on the on the ladder,but Bob Marley himself explains

(01:52:12):
as to the meaning of the song isthat shit drawn a blank shit so
in response to a lot of the shitthat was going on in Jamaica,
first of all, he couldn't say heshot the police. So Sheriff

(01:52:38):
deputy none of that namingscheme exists in Jamaica so
first of all, he can get awaywith talking about shooting
government officials police bysimply changing out to Sheriff
cowboy shit America shit. Sothat's that's the reasoning
behind sheriff and Deputy termsbeing used here because he, he

(01:52:59):
was afraid that he was going toget in trouble. Or even just not
even be able to release thesong. If you talked about
shooting police given the likethe turmoils of the what did
they call the those governmenttheir government groups in
Jamaica partition or shit Ican't remember. So the warring
stuff that was going on with thepolitical scene, he couldn't use

(01:53:21):
that. So what he talks abouthe's like I shot the sheriff and
shoot the deputy is he's talkingabout kind of along the lines of
what you explained sage but moreso in the sense that and we can
get this from the next set oflyrics here

(01:53:46):
I swear was in self defense,right. And then later on right
here said all of a sudden I sawSheriff John Brown who was

(01:54:19):
staring him down Bob Marley. Andthat so what he's talking about
is he shot first because he sawthe sheriff aiming at him, the
police and so he shot first butwhen he says when he's making
the statement of I didn't shootthe deputy. He's trying to
basically say, I didn't want I'mnot just out here murdering
folks. There was a reason forthis because he aimed his gun at

(01:54:42):
me first. So this is a this is asong about police violence,
right? Yeah. And that the policewere aiming at him. But he shot
and he's claim making thatclaim, but he wants to make it
known like Hey, I didn't shootthe deputy because I'm not out
here just to cold blooded murderpeople and And he goes on if I'm
guilty, I will pay

Sage (01:55:06):
See, I think it's funny.
Like he was scared to sayanything about the police. Then
you fast forward a couple ofyears he got NWA fuck police. In
America, yeah, America, still aplace where were they were
shooting us left him with andstill are, but they were

(01:55:27):
shooting us left and right.

Genesis (01:55:31):
And look at how powerful in a lot of people's
minds that song was though, totake that stand against a police
friend who to release a songlike that, you know, that that
song was a huge deal in, in oursociety in the timing of it
coming out in and it being thereal sort of song against the
man and that's they took thethey had the courage to really

(01:55:55):
get out there like that whereBob Marley, maybe he didn't feel
is he could release something soblatant is that so he hides
behind these terms sheriff andDebbie cowboys won

Sage (01:56:07):
if they were like in

Genesis (01:56:11):
that event, but uh, Ben, but now we're going to
twist it a little bit. BecauseBob Marley's girlfriend at the
time of this song, who co wrotethis song with him, tells a
different story on

Sage (01:56:25):
what she really shared.

Genesis (01:56:29):
So the first explanation is what Bob Marley
has gone on record saying thissong is about but his girlfriend
who co wrote the song is tellinga different story these days and
she is saying that this song isactually about birth control.
And that the sheriff is thedoctor in this scenario and

(01:56:54):
again, it's against his religionfor her to be on birth control.
And there's a very interestingline I think outside of
everything in this song it'skind of hard to really make that
make

Sage (01:57:06):
sense whatsoever.

Genesis (01:57:08):
However Yeah, but let me play you these other lyrics
that I specifically jumped pastin order to come back to it here
those are one sec find it

Unknown (01:57:31):
is this love is love is love. Love that feeling?

Genesis (01:57:38):
And this is right in the beginning of the of the song
too. John, always glad to seeyou. Gosh, that Sheriff John

(01:58:01):
Brown always hated me for what Idon't know, every time I plant a
seed. He said kill it before itgrow. He said kill them before
they grow. And so I shot thesheriff.

Sage (01:58:24):
I still think that's the stretch.

Genesis (01:58:27):
It is but given that his girlfriend who supposedly co
wrote the song is saying thatthis was what it was

Sage (01:58:34):
she currently or she or she just

Genesis (01:58:38):
i don't i don't think i think it's verifiable that she
co wrote. But the intent issomething

Sage (01:58:45):
would have listened to that. And knowing the pothead
that Bob Marley was right.

Genesis (01:58:52):
Right. Was he really talking about marijuana?

Rick (01:58:55):
Right. I mean, who knows, they may not be what he was
talking about.

Genesis (01:59:02):
I don't know why he would change the story in a in a
in like media interviews. Butit's I think it's interesting to
think that this song could beabout that. And maybe that
wasn't something he was reallywanting to put out there like
that. But she talked about howhe was upset that she was on
birth control and that she shewanted to or he wanted her to

(01:59:22):
have his kids. And he's gotfucking 20 Motherfucking kids.
So it's not too far of a stretchto think that he might be
against birth control. Yeah,

Sage (01:59:33):
I mean, it's not that I shot the sheriff, but I didn't
shoot the deputy that thatconsultation alone makes no
sense.

Genesis (01:59:43):
Yeah, it's hard for me to follow that. I just found it
very interesting that there isthere's potentially another side
to the story. And that like Isaid, that lyric right there,
kind of could put in it but Ilike you said I can see it both
ways that maybe he's justsetting up the story that the
sheriff was pissed at him forgrowing weed but I don't know
the laws in Jamaica if that ifthat was ever illegal in any

(02:00:06):
sense if you couldn't growmarijuana or that I'm not too
sure of if it was then maybethis is just the start of the
story on why the sheriff wasgetting on his face and like
aiming guns at him you know?

Sage (02:00:18):
Well the sheriff was on the take and Bob was trying to
you know, grow his own weed butthe cartels in the area like to
get it from us so you don't getit you know? That is fun.

Genesis (02:00:36):
So Bob Marley, what a legend he was on my my list of
one more album from our episodeone more album what artists
would we want to hear one morealbum from Bob Marley go and
then one final song I have foryou guys this one is I think a
fun one Rick's never heard of itpiece of shit car and sage I

(02:00:58):
would be like unless you haddone research on the song
there's no way you knew what thesong was about

Sage (02:01:09):
it's not that great so

Genesis (02:01:12):
let's see if you guys know this song you know the song
stage

Sage (02:01:21):
oh I think I do know the songs bout yeah

Genesis (02:01:30):
okay

Unknown (02:01:32):
99

Sage (02:01:34):
Sing it in German there it is

Genesis (02:01:45):
for the beat to drop got anything on this rig? No,

Rick (02:01:55):
I sounds familiar like

Sage (02:01:57):
I'm sorry. Sounds familiar.

Rick (02:02:01):
I can barely hear it. It's kind of low. And I'm not I'm
doing something maybe all withthe audio because same as far
louder than the music

Genesis (02:02:12):
waiting for the beat to drop waiting for it to drop even
more

Sage (02:02:17):
I didn't realize that this big of a gap

Genesis (02:02:20):
I know right there it is So Rick, you never heard of
that. Right?

Rick (02:02:40):
I know. I know. I've heard the I definitely heard that
before. I'm not sure I feel likename artists.

Genesis (02:02:47):
I didn't know the artists name well I kind of
figured

Sage (02:02:49):
if I'm wrong that that song I could be wrong but that
song falls into the same thingas blew that lead up who died
you know so yeah. The meaning ofthat song in 99 Red Balloons I
think are the same

Genesis (02:03:09):
What does any or

Sage (02:03:11):
blue I believe that song was about Oh dear.

Genesis (02:03:15):
Oh yeah if i od I will die if i od Yeah. No, that's not
what this song

Sage (02:03:22):
No, it is

Genesis (02:03:24):
very far from many of those things. I feel like you're
not going to believe me when Itell you what this song is
about. I'm so this song is abouthow do I want to phrase this?

(02:03:45):
This song is about the end ofthe world. And where 99 balloons
are released. And differentnations take it as a sign of
UFOs and start attacking and inother nations think that nation
is attacking them and it startsa giant world war ending in the
destruction of the entire

Sage (02:04:05):
planet and find a way to bring your foes into this.

Genesis (02:04:08):
I'm just saying the lyrics here's the English
translations for the first orthe for the go to the second
verse. So 99 balloons on theirway to the horizon were taken
for UFOs from space hence thegeneral sent a squadron after
them to give the alarm butthey're on the horizon. We're
just 99 balloons. And then itgoes on and on into how the

(02:04:30):
different militaries startedattacking each other throwing
bombs. And then the final versehere 99 years of war left no
place for winners war ministersdon't exist anymore and no one
jet just today I stroll aroundsee the world in ruins. I found

(02:04:53):
a balloon I think of you and letit fly

Sage (02:04:56):
normally

Genesis (02:05:02):
So this song is by Nina 99 left balloons
What if the music video has anylike allusion to the but they're
just playing in a field and shewas walking around

Sage (02:05:22):
translation I'm looking at didn't say anything about UFOs
but it does say something aboutCaptain Kirk

Genesis (02:05:30):
That's That's verse that's first three look at the
verse before that

Sage (02:05:34):
yeah it says 99 This decision streets 99 ministers
need to worry to worry superscary call the troops out in a
hurry this is what we've waitedfor this is it boys This is war
the President the President ison the line as 99 red balloons
go by nothing about UFO

Genesis (02:05:55):
those are the those lyrics are those are like five
and six lyrics sure that fromthe beginning

Sage (02:06:02):
I am at the beginning.
Yeah, I'm looking at thebeginning I'm working my way
down they got the German lyricson the left and the English
lyrics on the left on the right.
German lyrics There's a UFO inthere in the second verse, But
UFO for us may mean may not bewhat that means for them. Like

(02:06:23):
so?

Genesis (02:06:24):
I think it means

Sage (02:06:25):
translations are different, sir.

Genesis (02:06:28):
It's initials. Yeah.

Sage (02:06:31):
initials. No. So the second verse that I see is not
red balloons floating intosummer sky. Panic bells and red
alert. There's something herefrom somewhere else. The war
machine spring to life up oneeager I focusing it on the sky.
We're not even on red balloonsgo by. Like it's just gonna.

(02:06:55):
It's not a direct translation. Imean, unless we know somebody
who speaks German.

Unknown (02:06:59):
Oh, good.

Genesis (02:07:01):
If you want to okay, if you want to sit on Neil UFOs
fine lyrics I'm looking at sayUFOs you're it doesn't change
the story.

Sage (02:07:09):
I mean, you're not wrong.

Genesis (02:07:14):
regarded themselves as Captain Kirk. What a Captain
Kirk do.

Sage (02:07:17):
I've never heard of that person. Okay. They say some of
us everyone's a superhero.
Right. Super high tech jetfighters. What the fuck? I'm
just gonna skate. I'm gonna keepto the German version where I
don't know what they're saying.
And I just say sounds. Yeah.

Genesis (02:07:38):
Yeah, dude, the dude.
All right, well, that's all thesongs I had. For this episode of
part two, the 17 deep meaningsbehind popular songs. Apparently
not as popular. We probably gotto close anyways, because
Derek's running, got a war rightnow.

Rick (02:08:00):
Not running out, or it's still running in the background.
I never closed

Genesis (02:08:07):
so I hope we didn't ruin too many songs for you guys
out there. Or maybe enlightenedyou. What I what I find
fascinating is that there's somany songs that just have these
things if you just listen to thelyrics a little bit and a lot of
the ones that we came acrosstoday, there's not really much
mysticism behind them andthere's not a lot of metaphors

(02:08:28):
that we're looking at like thefirst episode we've seen a lot
of the metaphors that you couldhave to you would have to take
subtle jumps to arrive at someof the meanings that we came
across. I think a lot of thesize we came to today is very
right there in our face. I thinkwhat's curious is that we see a
lot of these songs being hiddenbehind relationships a lot of

(02:08:50):
these artists are talking abouttheir their issues that they're
dealing with in drugs andalcohol even the relationships
I'm curious though says what doyou think about like like metal
songs do you think like whenthey're talking about maybe
death and murder and stuff doyou think those are actually
have hidden meanings to likemuch more niceties like they're

(02:09:12):
actually love songs but maskedby like I chopped membrane?

Sage (02:09:18):
I mean they could be but I don't I try my hardest not to
listen to metal especially Yeah,like it's not so much metal
death metal. Yeah, keep thatshit.

Genesis (02:09:29):
I listened to a lot of that back in the day but and
Rick I know you you mentionedyou listen to slip on Are they I
know Slipknot as a lot of lovesongs. Yeah, they just sound
very aggressive and angry butthey're like love songs. Yeah,

Rick (02:09:42):
they have a ton of love songs that are like like, they
love someone so much. They wantthem to get rid of their
addiction you know like I wantyou to stay here I don't want
you're killing yourself withthis and then United mean it but
when you listen to it, it's justyou know, screaming blood The
murderer and

Genesis (02:10:03):
it's yeah, it's interesting how these artists
can, you know, depending on thegenre mascot and we maybe maybe
in the metal universe there,it's sort of a flipped in the
way that we see and like some ofthese other genres, and how they
mask the true meaning or whatthey were feeling when they were
writing in, you know, buildingthe song at the time. Have

Sage (02:10:24):
you ever heard staring at the sun by an offspring? How
does it go? Maybe like, it'slike a rat on the freeway.
That's why I'm trying to find away.

Unknown (02:10:36):
Everyone's around.

Sage (02:10:37):
But no one brings me down.

Unknown (02:10:39):
I won't let a myth seem bleak. Yeah,

Genesis (02:10:43):
sounds maybe

Sage (02:10:45):
amazing. And he's talking about some real shit. But it's
it's such a catchy song.

Genesis (02:10:53):
Yeah, I didn't like I said the other so many songs
that we could we can analyzelike this. And really, you know,
if you if you look at thelyrics, you can bring to light
some of the differences in whatyour initial like responses to
like, make your butt jiggle,versus like feeling sad, like
the weekend song? That's justgonna make me sad. No, every

(02:11:14):
time I listen to it, instead oflike, wanting to dance.

Rick (02:11:19):
Yeah, it'll definitely have you think, right. I mean,
like I said, I've tried to, youknow, try to separate the artist
from the, but it's, it's alittle hard when whatever
they're being whenever they'rein trouble for is reflecting in
the music. Like you hear artistsall the time getting in trouble
for lyrics that they're thecourts are using against them.

(02:11:43):
Yeah, well to prosecute them.
And, you know, I It's a case bycase basis, you know,

Genesis (02:11:50):
for sure. I think it is a case by case basis. And I
mean, like some of the, like,our Kelly, MJ like, I think
that's different Campton likefeeling that some type of way
about the weekend songs like,should I be, you know, having a
good time to his pain, you know,or should I be feeling has been

(02:12:13):
what was his intention? Was hetrying to just make a, a bop
song that people can, you know,feel happy about? Or what, you
know, what is the artistsintention for the listener? And
that's something we don't reallyget from music. You know, unless
you're following, you know, theinterviews and you're following
them. But I think that'ssomething that maybe not a whole

(02:12:34):
lot of people are doing,especially with MTV being
nothing but you know, teenpregnancy.

Rick (02:12:40):
Teen pregnancy,

Sage (02:12:42):
I'm pretty sure you were just talking about something
very deep and thoughtful. Iwould definitely listen to
staring at sight.

Genesis (02:12:53):
No problems. So thank you all for tuning in to another
episode of The Haven exchangepodcast. We will see you next
week. Thank you all for tuningin. We love you. Even though
Rick, we talking about you guysbehind your backs. You know,
that's just his ways. Don'tworry. We're firing him soon.

Rick (02:13:09):
I mean, that's not at all the case. I don't talk about
them at all. The only thing Italk about is, you know, I'll
save for the next

Genesis (02:13:23):
episode. Was I supposed to hit the button? No, no,

Rick (02:13:25):
I you know, I was gonna say that I've done not as too
aggressive. That's yeah, that'sway too bad. A little rapey.
Yeah, I get it. No, no,

Sage (02:13:34):
I mean, it is cold outside.

Rick (02:13:36):
I mean, hey,

Genesis (02:13:39):
how's that drink tastes Rick.

Rick (02:13:43):
Luke, chalky as you measure.

Genesis (02:13:49):
And with that, we'll see you next week. Bye.

Unknown (02:13:54):
This is the Haven exchange.

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