Toxic Masculinity - Haven Exchange #58 - The Haven Exchange

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Sage (00:16):
Great time

Genesis (00:25):
dark side must be swept as a coercing
array with all the force of agreat time. With all the
strength of a raging fire,mysterious as the Dark Side

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Welcome to The Haven exchangepodcast number 58. Be a man. Wow
Disney shirt is chock full of nono's. Oh, buddy. Oh, Val. Well,
this week, we are bringing youall an episode all about toxic

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masculinity. And I know, I knowwhat you're thinking, what did
these neanderthals know abouttoxic masculinity? Well, you
might be surprised. So keep onlistening to hear all about our
take on the term and exchangeour journeys navigating
masculinity. But first, if youare enjoying the shenanigans

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masculinity.

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This is the Haven exchange?

Sage (02:52):
Wow, I didn't know that worked

Genesis (02:54):
like that. Okay, figure something out.

Sage (02:56):
So my hands. My headset is plugged into my speakers. My
speak must speak as external butit's turned off and it's still
working.

Genesis (03:05):
Oh, maybe that's why you've always have an issues
with your mic.

Sage (03:09):
No, I normally have it turned on. So whatever.

Genesis (03:15):
Whatever. It's just the two of us today. Right? You and
I say no. Shit.

Sage (03:23):
Yeah.

Rick (03:25):
The resident Kojima fanboy is still here. I'm still among
you all. Even though I am slowlydying. I'm good.

Genesis (03:34):
Did Kojima lengthen the distance on that order yet?

Rick (03:38):
No. No, I'm actually I have his number now. Like I
talked to him every day. Youknow

Sage (03:45):
what? I would like for you to talk for 30 seconds without
once going

Rick (03:54):
How about you eat my and then you can

Sage (04:02):
the struggle is real right now with you.

Rick (04:06):
You know, it's one of those things where for some
reason, I don't mean to do it. Ijust do it. Like I don't have

Genesis (04:12):
to do it. No. Have those like filler sentences?
Yeah, like I clearly hear whatpeople

Rick (04:17):
say. And I will still go what was that? Yeah, I know.
You're all I cannot explain it.
I will hear exactly what yousay. And I still

Genesis (04:30):
like your giving your brain like a second try to
process Yeah, excuse me. Uh huh.
Even though you heard it, butyou're just buying yourself more
time to process

Rick (04:38):
it. Oh, hold on. I'm not processing it that slow like
alright, this is the fifth. Hesaid this was the sixth way like
I'm not doing

Genesis (04:47):
this motherfuckers working on Windows 95 upstairs

Rick (04:53):
that is funny. I like that was good. That was good like
that.

Sage (04:58):
Almost Yeah, I got a funny story. You You can't make this
shit up. Oh, so this happened atwork today. This is hilarious
for the sake of the story. I'mgonna say these people's names
are Alexis, Mike and James

Genesis (05:15):
ama got it hmm.

Sage (05:17):
So James since Mike a message asking about one of our
clients, Mike doesn't know soMike sends a message to Alexa
saying hey, what is this about?
Alexis then immediately repliesI don't know x Mike. Mike's like
I'm the one asking what do youmean asked Mike they took a
screenshot and sent this in thechat and I was like, what?

Genesis (05:46):
That sounds like we ever seen the videos where they
put two AIS and hit him likecommunicate with each other. So
yeah, yeah, like you're an AINo, I'm not an AI you're an AI
No, I'm not an AI you're an AI

Sage (06:00):
Have you seen a video where they put to what somebody
calls a Chinese restaurant onone phone and call it a
different one on that phone? Andthen next to each other? And you
listen to them argue?

Genesis (06:13):
Because they're both trying to use the other second
language is an English tocommunicate to each other.

Sage (06:19):
One of the funniest videos ever. Yeah,

Genesis (06:21):
that's pretty hilarious. Anyways, welcome to
the show everybody. The Havenexchange podcast bringing you
weekly shenanigans hosted bymyself Genesis. And these two
schlubs Over here we got with ustoday

Rick (06:42):
and I am Genesis the Toxic Avenger.

Genesis (06:46):
Well, that's just not fair at all. That's not your
name though. My name?

Rick (06:52):
No it is today.

Genesis (06:54):
You've never seen the Toxic Avenger. I

Rick (06:56):
have not I am not familiar with it.

Sage (06:58):
I thought he was about to say yes. I was about to be very
proud of you for it.

Genesis (07:03):
Do you know what we're the Toxic Avenger comes from
like that camp of movies thatthat little niche in the
darkness of golden screen. Is itthe golden the silver screen?

Rick (07:15):
No. For some reason I hear Toxic Avenger and it makes me
think of the sultry guys thosefrom the Sega Genesis game. I
think it's like some green doThis is covered in slime and dry
like, I don't know. I have noidea what you're talking. It's

Sage (07:35):
not that far off. Really?

Genesis (07:39):
I mean, you throw a broom in there and

Sage (07:44):
got it? Yeah,

Rick (07:46):
so was this a movie first?
Or was

Genesis (07:49):
it was a comic first

Sage (07:52):
class?

Rick (07:53):
Well, I mean they say everything's a cold class.

Sage (07:55):
No, no, no, no toxic Avengers a Coke Classic. It got
it got so big. They had acartoon for it.

Rick (08:03):
Yeah, heard

Genesis (08:04):
of the trauma Ville.
What's the guy's name? That wasin Russia.

Rick (08:09):
You said the troll mogul.
Trump. Hey, that's what he said.
I just repeat what he's

Sage (08:16):
troll. MK nine.

Rick (08:20):
I didn't know man. I don't know toxic could mean another
dude. I don't know what toxicmeans in this.

Genesis (08:25):
It's like very low budget films with very
interesting premises or likehorror elements and see put that
all together and you could seewhere there could be cult
followings built around that.
Like this isn't like Sharknadoshit. This is like,

Rick (08:42):
oh god.

Sage (08:44):
I would say take Porky's meets Avengers. And you you get
a Toxic Avenger movie? Yeah,

Rick (08:55):
I remember Mike used to be so unreasonably excited. Every
time a new Sharknado movie wouldcome up. He would always post
something on Facebook. He wouldbe so excited about it. I feel
like this sounds like absolutetrash. Why now?

Sage (09:10):
That just reminded me what I think it was shark away it's
like

Rick (09:13):
oh my god. Look remember Womp womp again

Sage (09:18):
again, it's awesome you leave I'm getting along really?
Well I'm again was on my covermovie list last year and it was
great. Where's the poster? Is itYeah, here it is the poster for
shark Lynch. On the post it saysNoah's frozen water the science
and sound like what?

Genesis (09:40):
The sharks frozen in the ice underneath these snowy
avalanche that come alive. I'mguessing because they thaw out.

Sage (09:48):
I've never watched it but I want to just because of that.

Genesis (09:53):
Very I can't stand those whose to be honest. I grew
up on shit like Toxic Avenger.
And but I just can't get intothat no more. Maybe like in a
group setting like, like yourOctober weeknights? That sounds
more fun, but I can't just watchit on my own.

Sage (10:11):
Do I remember, we went to go see black panther in
theaters. And that Megalodonmovie or whatever came out with
Jason allowed his Hildentheater. I was like when the
fuck is sci fi get a budget? Andeverybody started dying laughing
because it's 100% a sci fimovie. Why are we watching this
shit? Right?

Genesis (10:33):
Yeah, the technology that goes into like building
effects and stuff has been madevery much more accessible to a
lot of people to build some ofthat stuff. But then if you look
at movies like The Last pastor,apparently that is a loss. The
last.

Sage (10:50):
The last is also a classic. Seen it and yeah, maybe
watching some gyms in October doexplain that

Genesis (10:58):
one to Rick. Oh,

Sage (11:00):
so a pastor. Oh, attack on a retreat by a velociraptor. And
you know, if it attacks you, youturn into one. So

Rick (11:13):
it's an official law

Sage (11:15):
that just like a werewolf he turns into a velociraptor
when the moon is full. The wholetime he's being hunted down by a
group of ninjas for no reason.

Genesis (11:29):
This is available on Amazon Prime right now. It's

Sage (11:31):
a great movie.

Genesis (11:33):
Isn't the Velociraptor that he turns into just like
that costume. You see people inlike fireworks stands? Isn't
there like a scene that becauseI've only seen clips of this.
Like, there's a car that'ssupposed to explode. And then
they just put a sign in front ofit that says like insert car
explosion or something likethat. There's actually no

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effect.

Sage (11:56):
I'm gonna have to go back and re watch this now. I may
have missed it.

Genesis (12:00):
Oh,

Sage (12:02):
do movies like that are great. You just just turn off
your brain and just enjoy thesteepness of it.

Genesis (12:10):
can exist? Yeah.

Sage (12:12):
Well, speaking, train wreck. train wreck. You can't
look away.

Genesis (12:18):
Sure. Yeah.

Sage (12:19):
Like the one. The one that I watch. I forgot that. Was it
long again. It was Armageddon,actually, where the dude in
every scene had a differentfucking shirt. And I don't mean
like they were it was morning,noon or night like this entire
movie took place at one party.
And every time they showed himhe had a different fucking shirt
on.

Rick (12:40):
Maybe cutting vomiting on on the shirt. It was hilarious.
I peed on it.

Sage (12:46):
Because nobody acknowledged it.

Genesis (12:50):
Like this was like, filmed on different days, and I
just didn't do it. Check.

Sage (12:55):
No, it was all filmed the same night. He just didn't give
a shit. Like he had on a tanktop one time. And then the
turtle shirt and other time ajersey. I'm like, Dude, what the
fuck is going on right now?

Genesis (13:05):
That's like those old parody films, you know, like hot
shots or Naked Gun? They would

Rick (13:11):
do gun?

Sage (13:13):
Of course.

Genesis (13:14):
How have you seen Naked Gun?

Rick (13:16):
Naked Gun 33 in 1/3 or something like that? Like I
think that was yeah, I fuckinglove making content. Now. Shit.
But to be fair, I've only seenthe third one. I don't remember
anything about the other two.
Well, the first two or ifthere's

Genesis (13:33):
surely in the first one.

Rick (13:35):
I don't remember it.

Sage (13:36):
Don't call me Shirley.
thing.

Rick (13:38):
I do not remember it at all.

Genesis (13:40):
Wow, what was that guy's name? I love that guy.

Sage (13:43):
As a kid. I know his name.
I'm just curious what Rickthinks his name is.

Rick (13:47):
Wade Leslie Nielsen's character.

Sage (13:51):
Officer. He's gonna say Liam Neeson?

Rick (13:52):
No, no, no, no, I That's funny. I remember the actor's
name. I don't remember his nameon the show, though.

Genesis (13:58):
Have you ever remember, isn't it? Yeah,

Rick (14:01):
yeah. Okay. Yeah, he was in the third one, right?

Sage (14:04):
It wasn't two of them. I thought.

Genesis (14:06):
Maybe I get them all, like blurred together. And I
don't know which one was whichanymore. It's been so long. But
if you ever go on YouTube, lookup. Lesley Nielsen interviews.
You couldn't help but smile. Theguy is just adorable. He's a
livin. carries over and hebrings like little like fart

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balls when he's interviewing.
Especially he just keeps andeverybody's just like cracking.
It's just it just makes yousmile. It's just

Sage (14:38):
you ever seen Dracula dad and loving it? Yes. That

Genesis (14:41):
was my favorite one.

Sage (14:42):
So many good movies. Spy heart.

Rick (14:45):
My heart. I saw that one.

Genesis (14:47):
Leslie Nielsen was King for my childhood. To

Rick (14:54):
Ernest goes to what jail?
Ernest goes to,

Sage (14:58):
you can literally say This is true.

Genesis (15:01):
True man finally we got Ernest goes to the hood that
would have been great man.

Rick (15:07):
What was there was a family guy skit where it was
like, close to the post officeand ship. Ernest goes to the
grocery store

Genesis (15:17):
Oh, were they? Oh, they were ragging the same gym know
what I mean? Were

Sage (15:23):
you might be honest I don't know I guess goes to the
hook. I would I would actuallypay to watch that.

Genesis (15:28):
Hell yeah. Or

Rick (15:32):
just goes to a maga rally endless possibilities man like
come on. Smelly yeah who couldthey? I can't think of anybody
that's even remotely like

Sage (15:51):
mph Oh mph 100 could do 100%

Genesis (15:57):
Now you know who could do it? Was Mike Rowe

Rick (16:01):
the dirty job? Yeah. He's kind of

Genesis (16:06):
Yeah, it's kinda it's more like Dr. Funny But yeah, he
is hilarious Dirty Jobs isfantastic show because of his
humor to

Sage (16:14):
me. Somebody's got to do it.

Rick (16:17):
I don't know if he's dead quirky dry humor though.

Genesis (16:20):
No, he's not but I don't know this is the first
face I could think of

Sage (16:26):
what's the name? Jim Parsons.

Genesis (16:30):
Good work yeah, see that?

Rick (16:32):
You know who I can also see too is uh, maybe James Roday
or I'm sorry James Rodriguez.

Sage (16:41):
But my question is why does Ernest have to be a man see
that's that toxicity?

Genesis (16:45):
Like oh, bar.

Rick (16:47):
I like it. I like it.

Genesis (16:50):
Irma. Irma goes to our Ernesto.

Rick (16:56):
Elizabeth. I've just the names as

Genesis (17:00):
well. Nice transition there. Speaking of that, and the
toxic

Sage (17:07):
night nice if you have to point it out.

Genesis (17:12):
Well, we missed the train there. But we're bringing
it back. Because this is theepisode of toxic masculinity.
Denton do What does

Rick (17:25):
I couldn't say? I said those look dope. Those look
really good.

Sage (17:29):
Let this man finish the sentence.

Genesis (17:32):
I know you're calling out things that the listeners
can't see.

Rick (17:35):
You know, the honest to God truth. I thought I muted it
before I said that. I definitelydo that

Genesis (17:42):
to yourself out loud.
Yes. Yes. Yes.

Rick (17:45):
I feel weird if I think now. Okay, go ahead. Continue.
What do you say?

Genesis (17:49):
No, I want you to continue gold right there.

Rick (17:56):
Now, sometimes I will say things out loud. Because I feel
weird if I think too much in myhead. Like if I'm having a
conversation with what's so

Sage (18:05):
come down each year.

Genesis (18:08):
Toxic masculinity. What does that mean? You guys,
because to me, it feels likeit's kind of a gray area term
like everybody, to me, it seemslike has their own definition of
what that actually means.

Sage (18:20):
Me is when other testosterone fueled individuals
like yourself full of it. Fillthe need to give me shit for
drinking a white cloth. It'sfucking alcohol.

Rick (18:35):
Well, hello, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. No, no, I have to
call this out. Because this isthe same cocksucker that gave me
shit when I was drinking JimBeam apple. What do you mean?

Sage (18:46):
Flavored liquor is trash.

Genesis (18:48):
Yeah, that's not as toxic masculinity that says
whiskey snobbery. It's whiskey.

Sage (18:54):
Flavored flavored liquor is fucking terrible. You have no
reason to be drinking it.

Rick (19:01):
Hey, man, good man. I actually

Sage (19:03):
really like maybe like flavored vodka or something. But
not whiskey or bourbon. No, youdrink that straight.

Genesis (19:09):
But that is a good example of generally accepted
meaning for toxic masculinity.
Putting somebody down forsomething that you might
consider weak, in a sense, youknow, what are you doing
drinking that white claw? Youshould be drinking beer. This
beer.

Sage (19:28):
It's so I can hydrate and get drunk at the same time.

Genesis (19:34):
Do you agree with that, Rick? Or do you have some more
to elaborate on what toxicmasculinity means to you? Well,

Rick (19:41):
yes, I do have a little more to add to it. Because I
think it depends on who you'retalking to. Right when it comes
to defining toxic masculinityright to me, when I think of
toxic masculinity, I think isjust when men have to use brute
strength and aggression forthings that don't know severely
needed. However, you talk tosome people toxic masculinity is

(20:06):
just leaving your legs open anda seat wider than you probably
need to say. It's overlysensitive in some areas, because
I've literally seen people sayit's toxic for a man to sit in a
seat with his legs open, becausehe's trying to assert dominance
over the female. And it's like,know that he has nuts, like, he

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has something that hangs inbetween there.

Sage (20:32):
I don't even know you.

Rick (20:36):
Like he has a set, he kind of needs to give it room to
breathe. You don't want it to besquished up against your thighs.
You know, that's just, that'snot cool.

Genesis (20:44):
You know how they have those like fake pregnancy
bellies, and you see it on likesitcoms all the time, where they
make like the husband where itwould if they flipped it and he
gave like fake testicles to awoman, where those get your
clothes and your legs and yousaid

Rick (21:00):
you get a lady to wear a cup. And then just put little
hangers on the end of it. Let alittle mediate meeting hangers
just to have a walk

Genesis (21:09):
around.

Sage (21:10):
And I may get canceled for the statement, but I don't give
a shit.

Genesis (21:14):
I do careful.

Sage (21:19):
Women say that we couldn't handle periods or pregnancy? And
they're probably 100%. Right?
I'm not gonna argue that. Yeah.
But I don't think they would beable to last one second as a man
in a male friend group. Becauseall we're doing is everything
you do. That's gay. talking shitabout you about you can't just

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be yourself like you got to haveyour guard up at all points in
time.

Genesis (21:48):
Well, I want to clarify that that is something that I
definitely want to talk about.
Because what you're describing,though, is in how we grew up. I
think like kids today, it's alittle bit of a different
experience.

Sage (22:01):
I think it is becoming a little bit more self respect,
like and Pitch Perfect. Afterthat movie came out and became
such a huge hit. You startedseeing all these schools having
more acapella groups and morepeople signing up for musicals.
So it became more sociallyacceptable. And not so you know,
quote, unquote, homosexual orwhatever, for a guy to be doing

(22:24):
those type of things. They feltmore comfortable, which
honestly, part of me felt like Igrew up in the wrong area,
because fuck I wish.

Genesis (22:32):
Well, yeah, and that's something I want to talk about,
like our upbringing, as far asit relates to toxic masculinity.
You know, you know, as a singer,I'm sure you had to face a lot
of that, or at least, let me askyou this. Did you feel pressured
into displaying textbookmasculine traits? That you

(22:53):
weren't naturally likedisplaying? I guess,

Sage (22:55):
have you met me? Well, I was born not given a font and
I'm gonna die not giving a fuck.

Genesis (23:02):
Even as a kid, you never

Sage (23:04):
even as a kid, I always did me walk around singing all
the time. My friends who were myreal friends understood that and
just let me do it. I do. Yeah.

Rick (23:13):
Now, here's a question. I think we've talked about this
before about bullying, and howwe, we think it's kind of
important, but it can go alittle too far. Right? If we
think bullying is okay, to acertain extent, do we think
toxic masculinity is kind of thesame regards? When you're an
adult? Is it cool for yourgirlfriend's to ridicule you for

(23:35):
singing or liking my little ponyor, you know, whatever the case?

Sage (23:41):
Well, I think that that also still falls into the same
camp of bullying, but as meaningthat it's good to a certain
extent, because you know, yougrow up, you got to learn how to
deal with it. You got to buildthat layer skin, you can't go up
being a fucking snowflake yourwhole life, and then flip out
and do some stupid shit thatmight end up hurting some people
just because they were trying tomake a joke. I mean, get it

(24:02):
jokes. They hurt people,they're, I mean, they're not
supposed to. They're nice,depending on who's on you know
the context, but the portion ofthe time they're attacking
somebody, you might be better tojoke if you got to learn how to
take that in stride, and eitherstrike back with another joke to
further embarrass that person orjust walk away.

Genesis (24:21):
And I think it's kind of interesting to navigate that
because when you're dealing withthe friend group, it's almost
like that's a separate cultureand society built within the
overall culture and society. Solike, when you ask the question
savage lease our friend groupYeah. Am I gonna roast you for

(24:41):
like in my little pony in ourfriend group? Absolutely. Do I
really give a shit? No. No,like, right? Or do I just feel
the urge to make the joke? Yeah.
Not on a random person. If Ilogged some guy that was wearing
a My Little Pony t shirt. Seeonly thing Don't say anything. I
don't

Sage (25:01):
mean think it's a pressure to make the joke is the fact
that somebody says something.
And then immediately in your inyour head, you recall like six
years ago, he said that shit didme this?

Genesis (25:16):
Well, I mean, psychologically speaking, I
mean, can we agree that there'sthe roasting is coming from
trying to position yourself in aplace of dominance and power? Or
is that too deep thinking?

Sage (25:28):
I don't think it is.
Especially in a friend grouplike ours, because I don't think
that that's the case because wejust talk shit about each other
just to talk to you about justwhat we do.

Rick (25:40):
Remember, when we had a couple of years ago, there was a
mixup with me where I wasgetting in my feelings light
skinned ship. Where was it likefor four or five years ago or
something like that? Where I hita point where I was just like,
Dude, I love these guys. But I'mgonna take a step back, because
personal shit was happening, butto also have some of my best

(26:01):
friends just piling on and Iknow his jokes, but it's like,
fam, I gotta step away from thisshit. Because it's, it's
starting to kind of get to me,so

Sage (26:10):
good. You don't sugarcoat it, it was me. But

Rick (26:14):
it was a group in general.
I mean, like, it came from aplace where everyone was trying
to be funny. I was just dealingwith my own personal shit. And I
took it a little too far interms.

Sage (26:27):
And we've had a couple of moments like that. But even
then, when those moments happen,people like the joke stop, the
real fracture comes throughExact people, people reach out
and be like, Okay, so let's talkabout this. Now hit me like
that. And you know, you do themediation shit. And then you get
over it. And then two dayslater, your mom was I hope. It
is what

Rick (26:47):
it is. Right? Because that's exactly when that
happened. I mean, every bodythat I told about the situation
reached out and was like, Hey,dude, you know, it's all love
and jokes and shit, not tryingto really break you down or
anything like that. And thatkind of let me know that. All
right. I think I'm just takingit a little too

Sage (27:04):
serious. No, going off of that, if you want to talk about,
okay, so we're bad, but you wantto talk about I don't know if
this was a real video. Or ifthis was stage, but you seen the
video with the dude, he'splaying like GTA, whatever. him
and all his boys are playing.
And he's like, man, that hisboys like he's like, Man, I'm
sad, man. He's like, Oh,everybody got concerned for a

(27:27):
second? Like, oh, what's wrong?
What's wrong? He's like, Man, mydad died did like, Oh, fuck.
Sorry to hear that man. And he'slike, Well, how do you die? He's
like, he drowned. And then gotreal silent. It didn't somebody
just start laughing. And you'relike, what is it? Like? How old
is your dad like 64? How manycake bucking swim, and they just

(27:48):
start roasting last? For next 10minutes. And I was like,

Genesis (27:56):
I mean, it may sound rough on the outside, but maybe
that's just the way their friendgroups

Rick (28:01):
work. That's how many Annemiek is where they just,
there's like, you get like, 10seconds to process what you just
heard.

Genesis (28:09):
Zero boundaries, no concern.

Rick (28:11):
If that happened to me.
You gotta give me more than 10seconds. You gotta give me a
couple of days. You know? Like,it was my dad. Give me a couple
of days. You know, the home?

Sage (28:25):
You probably wanted to hear from me if my dad died. I
need it. I need like, at least amonth. Yeah,

Genesis (28:30):
yeah. processing your own feelings in that out of fear
of what the friend group mightsay. Or

Sage (28:38):
just need to be? Yeah,

Rick (28:40):
they will be the same way with me. We're like, if if
something like either of myparents, I will definitely be
missing from the podcast forprobably a couple episodes.
Yeah, I'd be a fucking wreck,dude. For sure.

Genesis (28:55):
Yeah, and I, I mean, even what you guys are
displaying right now clearly,because like one of the, one of
the pillars of toxic masculinityis toxic masculine men won't are
unable to share their feelings,or the pressure to put your
feelings in a closet withinyourself and not express those
kinds of things. And I mean,Rick, you talked about, you

(29:16):
know, the moment you had to stepaway, and I mean, you talked
about it, you you expressed whatyour feelings were in that
moment. And so it's a little bitdifferent, but 10 years ago, I
don't know if that samesituation would have went down
that way. You know, like, nowwe're older. I think we feel a
little bit more comfortable inour bodies in ourselves and who

(29:36):
we are as people who we are asmen, but teenagers early 20s I
don't know I it took me a whileto break some of those masculine
like traits that I thought I hadto do just for whatever reason,
you know, like no crying. If Igot hurt playing football as a

(29:57):
kid, and I wanted to cry, therewas no way Hello is gonna let
those tears come out.

Rick (30:02):
Don't you know? Oh, yeah, I actually, it was the opposite
for me growing up, my mom wasthe one that was kind of like,
Alright, let's get past it.
Let's keep it moving. My dad wasthe one that was like, no, let
it out. Like because if you ifyou let that chip build up,
you're gonna go apeshit and killsomebody. He was like you need
to let it out when it happens,you know, yeah, or within a

(30:22):
certain time period because ifyou build it up, you're going to
snap eventually, and it's goingto be 10 times worse.

Sage (30:30):
I haven't cried 19 years.

Rick (30:34):
You know, that doesn't surprise me. That doesn't
surprise me only because I feellike you are someone who
probably is able to containyourself a little better. In
that regard.

Sage (30:47):
I just view it as a useless emotion.

Genesis (30:49):
Well, studies which say you're absolutely wrong and that

Sage (30:53):
I almost the closest I came to crying was recently was
that when my grandmother passedon Valentine's Day last year,
that was the closest I came

Rick (31:07):
to my grandmother passed last January. And I was sitting
on the couch with the family gotthe news and dude, when I took I
mean, it's not that not 19years, but it's definitely been
some years since I've cried fam.
I had to get up and go to thebathroom and I'm the I'm I'm two
seconds from punching everythingand just not because my default

(31:30):
reaction is to hitch it when itcomes to my anger now but hit
items not people

Sage (31:37):
you're doing the Tyrese baby boy. Never saw

Rick (31:41):
it so I don't know what that is. I know. We were afraid
they'll rephrase it. I know whatthe movie is. I'm just I never
saw. But yeah, just I hit abrick wall once because I was so
angry. The hood. Oh, no, he gothit

Genesis (31:55):
with a brick that's twice as damn near a wall and so
I was there

Rick (32:02):
with it. That's funny.
Where they both from your mom?

Sage (32:05):
Your brother, my sister.

Rick (32:06):
Oh, all right. What's up?
So Mike? I think we need to callDCFS I mean, they're
like, wait, what? Got that is agood idea. We absolutely need to

(32:27):
save that. That's definitely askill. Excuse

Genesis (32:31):
me. You're a grown ass man.

Rick (32:34):
This happened in 1992.
What sir?

Genesis (32:37):
Don't put those masculine traits on me. I'm
hurting inside.

Rick (32:46):
On the flip side, though, can you guys name any good
things about toxic masculinity?
Like is that is there a positiveside to it?

Genesis (32:52):
Colorado? You mean to tell me neither of you guys felt
the pressures of like male hoodgrowing up at all?

Rick (32:59):
No, no, no,

Sage (33:01):
don't. I'm a Disney kid. I grew up watching Disney and
loving musicals if you think Icared.

Rick (33:06):
A peer pressure has never worked on me. At a very young
age. My mom specifically waslike, if they are not perfect,
but you don't need to give ashit what they say. Like you
don't need to harbor whateverthey say to you.

Genesis (33:20):
None of my shit came from like family or upbringing.
My dad like he was like thisuber masculine male or anything
like that. But you guys musthave been just popular fucking
good looking dudes because No, Iwas certainly not done for
everything. I was never going toallow the opportunity to give

(33:41):
somebody any other ammunition.

Sage (33:46):
But I also grew up oh, you in high school.

Genesis (33:52):
We took the same French class. In high school. He
threatened me. Unless I did hishomework. That's fine. I got my
mind bombs.

Sage (34:00):
I got bullied. I got. I used to get in fights all the
time. And then I had my firstreal friend. When I got to
fourth grade. This dude wascrazy as shit. I'm pretty sure
he's either dead or in prisonnow. For sure. That was getting
in the fight one day. A coupleof days came with me. I don't
know why he had it. But the dudepulled out a butcher knife.

(34:23):
Jesus. Yeah, it was about tostart stabbing.

Rick (34:26):
Now, this might be I might have mentioned this before in
another episode, but I got intoa fight in seventh grade. And
the guy he and I were fightingin the middle of the street. And
he hit me in a certain way and Ididn't really like it. So we I
was down the street from thehouse. So I went home and

(34:48):
grabbed the ranch and I fullyintended to come back and kill
him. I was 100% about to murder

Sage (34:55):
this dude. Again, I don't know if that's metal toxicity or
just fucking pets. To designer.
Yeah,

Genesis (35:02):
they do want to talk about that too. So I'll hold it.

Rick (35:05):
As far as bullied. I was never bullied in school, or you
know what I got away with. I gotaway with being the quiet dude.
I was also related to coolpeople. So like my cousin was
like, super popular. My sisterwas super popular. And then my
brother a lot of yeah, a lot ofpeople knew my brother, my
brother came to the school oneday to pick me up in like fifth

(35:27):
grade. I had girls all daytelling me my brother look good
enough. The and that was justthat was enough to not get
bullied.

Sage (35:35):
Now, I just always had a smart mouth,

Genesis (35:37):
and have none of that confidence. The good looks that
all came way later. And are we

Sage (35:44):
are we still waiting for that?

Rick (35:47):
Is this part of the multiverse or

Genesis (35:53):
though or what's going on? Yeah. Okay. All right.

Sage (35:59):
Walk right into it.

Genesis (36:00):
I know, sixth, like sixth grade. First day is sixth
grade new school. Because thatschool you transitioned out of
one school that at fifth grade,went to a brand new school is
sixth grade. First day, startingliterally walking into the
school. The hallways are filled.
I was finding their class is bigmotherfucking eighth grader

(36:21):
stops me puts both his hands onmy shoulders and fucking hacksaw
Louie, straighten my face.

Sage (36:29):
Shamelessly, you must have a punchable face. I must have.
I've seen people with punchablefaces. Horrible. Nobody's ever
disrespected me like that. Yeah,

Genesis (36:42):
that's never have that shit. And you get done like
that. The one the only time Ilike stood up for myself was
probably maybe eighth grade,eighth grade or freshman year,
even. You know how like thoseseats, you could lean back and
you had a balance on the backtwo legs of your chair, like

(37:04):
most chairs, but continue. Well,now my kids got wheels.

Sage (37:09):
This is a computer chair that you insert.

Genesis (37:13):
Some kid didn't know, I think I knew him. But I didn't.
I wasn't like cool with him ornothing. But he did the whole,
like, fake. Like, I was gonnafall like pull it back a little
bit. And everybody startedlaughing. And so like that
embarrassment led to like, Okay,I'm a guy, I gotta do something
about this, you know. And so Istood up and I fucking grabbed

(37:37):
him by the throat. So it was aback wall and like, held them up
against it. And when I was atthat point, I was like, I don't
know what to do now. I don'tknow what the next move is here.
So I freaked out. I fucking holdthem up was choking them out.
Everybody's like, oh, the look.
Yes. And then I fucking tookoff. I ran out the fucking

Sage (38:01):
I don't I don't know if that's a toxic masculinity or
you just feeling pressure fromsocial norms or whatnot?

Genesis (38:09):
Yeah, I mean, I think it is fuzzy. And I think for me,
like I said earlier, like toxicmasculinity seems sort of fuzzy
and gray area in the way peopleuse it. Rick, you're about to
say like, what's the good side,there's nothing good about toxic
masculinity. But it's just thatpeople are attacking masculinity
in itself, which there's goodthings of being of masculinity,

(38:32):
which I think differs from toxicmasculinity.

Sage (38:35):
I can actually tell you a similar story that happened
between me and Adam. In thirdgrade, he liked some girl keep
mine to third grade. My he likeshim girl. I ended up liking her.
Next thing I know. Keep me out.
I'm really good friends. At thispoint. We're in a circle out on
the playground that's around uslike, Oh, they've got to fight.

(38:58):
They've got to fight. So me andAdam are circling each other.
The whole time. I'm talking I'mlike, Dude, what the fuck are we
doing? So, like, oh, I

Genesis (39:11):
never actually,

Sage (39:12):
no, we never actually, we never actually fun because it
just didn't make sense. I'mlike, right? Like, neither one
of we both knew this businesscrazy back then.

Genesis (39:22):
That's what I'm talking about, though. Like there's this
pressure to use our fists, rightas men. Like, that's how you
handle situations, not use yourwords, not come up with a
logical solution. But it's theimmediately go to physical
content that I think is part oftoxic masculinity.

Rick (39:37):
Yeah, I agree. I think part of it is to like I said in
the beginning where you know,the default is aggression, to be
aggressive. Like if someone'sdoing something that I don't
like, sometimes the firstthought is I'm about to smack
this motherfucker right now. Youknow, instead of being like,
Hold on, let me chill. Let mejust now here's the thing
though. I was gonna bring thisup a little later. In the

(40:00):
conversation, but if that's whatmen do, why is it toxic
masculinity, when we know womendo the same thing where there's
millions of women with theirfirst thought is to hit someone.
But we don't have a toxicfemininity. It's only toxic
masculinity.

Genesis (40:17):
I think it's more common in males though.

Sage (40:21):
Millions and millions of women's first thought to hit
somebody really only applieswhen it comes to like, their man
or whatever.

Rick (40:30):
I was about to say a different word. But yeah,

Sage (40:33):
because they know that we we can't hit them back because
it's gonna be way worse for usthan it is for them. Right? I
mean, yeah, you do have somegirls who scrap but then

Genesis (40:46):
I don't think I don't not hit women because I'm afraid
of the repercussions.

Sage (40:53):
So why don't you not hit women in?

Genesis (40:55):
Because it just doesn't get ingrained in my DNA is? No,
no,

Sage (41:00):
no, sorry. You put yourself in a man's place. I'm
not just gonna sit there and letyou hit me.

Genesis (41:05):
I think he was strain.

Sage (41:08):
So she just gets some free licks and fuck that. Sure.
Heavy,

Rick (41:11):
heavy there. Have you been hit by a female? That wasn't? I
No. No, no. Yeah, I've been hitbefore. Yeah, I can see that in
Yeah. behaved before.

Genesis (41:22):
That was an ASIC masculine remark. No,

Sage (41:25):
no, that wasn't that was that was a light skinned? Yeah,
of course.

Genesis (41:30):
It was racist. It's better

Rick (41:33):
not to say but no, it was.
Yeah, it was an X. We were goingback and forth. And I tried to
do what you should do as youguys walk away. She just was not
having it. She grabbed me by myarm. And yes, she got like two
good hits. And

Genesis (41:51):
she's I mean, I don't disagree that there's probably
women out there that takeadvantage of the no hate women.
law that's built into

Sage (42:00):
us all for sure. Into y'all. I've never hit a woman
because nobody's ever putherself in that. Well. That's a
lie. I'm not my cousin one

Genesis (42:10):
time. female cousin.
Yeah, she

Sage (42:13):
was talking match and I was like eight and she came at
me and especially No, no, no, Igot in trouble.

Genesis (42:18):
Eight of course I definitely fought women at
eight.

Sage (42:24):
She's talking match and I just let one off

Rick (42:28):
I think I've talked about it on here where I am. The one
and only time I've ever hit afemale was my sister. When we
were like, same age be likeeight or No, I'm not counting my
sister.

Genesis (42:40):
Yeah, that's a little different. Right? Even cousin
maybe is a little different. But

Rick (42:46):
I hit to where the blood is that? I mean does that not?
Hey, you

Genesis (42:50):
got punishment though?

Rick (42:52):
I almost got killed that night for sure. And it was my
dad. My dad is probably woke memaybe three times my entire
life. And that was the thirdtime where Yeah, dude. Yeah, I'm
shocked that I'm still here.

Sage (43:08):
What would you do? If you did something and I want you to
try to regress back to when thishappened when you did this your
your dad came home and youthought you have about the work
but instead he threw a pair ofgloves at you and says squirrel
yeah with him

Rick (43:32):
that you know I probably would have laughed more than
anything

Sage (43:36):
Gacho as boring last your

Rick (43:40):
all you gotta die they

Sage (43:46):
Good Times good times.
Yeah, childhood.

Genesis (43:51):
I don't know if I'm like, happier that I just only
got bullied or got a breakthrown at me. I don't know which
one I would choose.

Rick (43:59):
Oh, man, I'm still losing it over there break. Like, hey,
ridiculous.

Sage (44:04):
That's literally scratches the surface of my life.

Genesis (44:08):
Yes. Well, I mean, along those same lines, as far
as the feeling of the mentalhealth illness that goes with
toxic masculinity. You guys havenever felt the need, like, can't
see a doctor. I can't see atherapist as a man like those

(44:28):
pressures never have gotten toyou at all in your entire life.

Sage (44:33):
Well, again, I know for sure that this isn't toxicity
thing because black people as awhole don't really like
therapists or doctors.

Genesis (44:49):
When you say like a black man, so you're dealing
with toxic or potential fortoxic masculinity built within
that culture. All right. Well, Imean, more so even

Sage (45:03):
we 100% Sure. Like we should definitely take our, our
mental and physical health waymore serious than we do. Yeah.
Yeah, for sure. We just don'tlike I hate going to the doctor
like, I can't even be in thehospital. Like, it just freaks
me the fuck out going to thehospital. It could be somebody
who I really care about in thereand I'd be like, alright, well,

(45:25):
I gotta go like you just gothere. Yeah, no.

Genesis (45:29):
I think fear is a little bit different though. I
think the idea when it comes totoxic masculinity is that you
won't go because it shows a signof weakness. If you do go nuts.
That is what you're describing.

Sage (45:42):
No, I just really don't like that. Yeah.

Genesis (45:46):
I think that's a little different.

Sage (45:51):
Yeah, 100% Sure. How'd you finish it? Yeah. I don't know if
I've ever thought of it orthought of it as like being like
a weakness. Like you're saying.
Me? Like, oh, no, I can't beweak. I think if anything, the
place toxic masculinity runsrampant is at the gym.

Rick (46:09):
Okay, one Yeah. 100.

Sage (46:13):
You get the job. Even if you're just getting started.
You'll sit there and let's sayyou get on the bench like, Oh,
yeah. Okay. You're just startingyour journey. Your first day in
the gym. You look over and yousee everybody, this dude's
lifting that much this much. Andhe's like, Well, if he can do
it, I can fucking do. I'm like,I'm not gonna I'm not about
being a bitch up in here. Andthen almost kill yourself.

Genesis (46:35):
Right? So the competitiveness takes over what
you're talking about.

Rick (46:40):
Yeah. So yeah, I thought you were going the other route,
where when you go into the gym,and there's someone watching
you, and there's someone thatlike, feels this need to come up
and be like, is it all yourlifting? That's trash? Yeah, I
understand going up to someoneand be like, Hey, this is
probably a better way to do thisroutine. I get that. But

Genesis (47:00):
mansplaining

Rick (47:02):
dude, no, make the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Sage (47:08):
Not even that because I've people have done it to me at the
gym before and I've done it topeople before where you'll just
have a glance over and seesomebody doing an exercise, but
they're doing it in a way thatthey're gonna hurt themselves.
So you just so you go there andbe like, Hey, do you like this
and we'll put so much pressurelike on your back or something?
No, it's a lot more safer.

Rick (47:25):
Right that's why giving someone advice or something like
that that's completely fine. Buteven if someone's doing the
routine wrong to go up to themand just ridicule them and be
like you're a fucking idiot oreven posting the video online of
them doing a routine the wrongway. Like

Sage (47:42):
I'm right there with like the thing that's about the devil
is so toxic to me is when peoplesit there and talk shit about
Oh, you'll see like overweightperson on awesome equipment like
oh, why even using I need usersmight do? They're here trying
and you're giving them shit?
Right? There's

Genesis (48:01):
this guy and tic tac I don't know that those usage me
Tell me about this or somebodyelse. But there's this guy and
tic tac toe. All his contentvideos are basically pulling up
videos of other people that arelike at the gym, and usually
like overweight people orsomething, then reading off the
comments, and basically talkingshit about the people making the
comments in expressing the samething that you're talking. Yeah,

Rick (48:23):
I know. Exactly. Yeah, but he's like a super swole Why do I
think he's bald? I think, buthe's like, he's like, the
original talker will come upand, you know, ridicule the
person for what they're doing.
And then he'll cut in and belike, you know, how about
instead of we ridicule him anddo all this? How about we
promote better health and wepromote a better environment for

(48:44):
people to live healthier?

Genesis (48:48):
Yeah, and I mean, it's an example of masculinity, maybe
evolving. Like, you wouldn't seethat shit fucking in the 90s at
all right? See somebody stickingup for you would just pile on
the jokes as well. We see it andthen we see that with growing up
and just calling somebody elsegay. And then that and doesn't
necessarily come from a place ofhomophobia or calling somebody a

(49:09):
bitch like these are thingsthese are terms that we all have
used in a way to just basicallyportray somebody being weaker
because bitch oh, meaning you'relike a female you're weak. Gay,
we see that as a weak male, youknow, like these are things that
we've used in our own toxicmasculine ways that it's good to

(49:31):
see that we're kind of evolvingas as men in society I mean,
although I think sage calledRick rubbish five times this
episode, so

Sage (49:41):
it's my common vernacular.
When I'm learning that, some youare really insecure as a kid.

Genesis (49:49):
Absolutely. 100% Yeah.
And I it's not like I made iteasier on myself to being

Sage (49:55):
Oh, I remember how you dress

Rick (50:01):
While the your your golf while

Sage (50:06):
a golf Juggalo

Rick (50:09):
Yeah, you are a juggler

Genesis (50:12):
oh yeah

Rick (50:14):
all right let's let's go

Genesis (50:19):
denounce my past let's

Rick (50:21):
let's move past it. I can I can feel the toxic masculinity
rising in me bitch

Sage (50:31):
whoo you were just talking about me

Rick (50:39):
now let me think about

Sage (50:40):
it though. Like you were saying like calling people
bitches stuff like that likeguys calling to quit being a
full complicity

Genesis (50:46):
you soft you're soft.
But yeah be opposed

Sage (50:49):
if anything I'm like that's a compliment Plus he's a
weak bro get all like thank youkind sir as I keep moving

Genesis (51:04):
well it's kind of funny you say that again I know I've
mentioned this show a few timesyou guys actually got to watch
the series on Netflix thehistory of swear words and the
term bitch they talk about sortof the journey that's had and
like how women are taking theword back and empowering it so
it's not just a term of weaknessor anything like that.

Sage (51:26):
More power to the Okay, I guess the argument I was about
to say can also kind of be savedfor the end work. Be like okay,
so I just hate it when girls belike, Oh, well, you know, I'm a
bad bitch and I'm like, Alright,cool. Cool. Cool. Can I call you
bitches prom?

Rick (51:48):
Lupe Fiasco is

Sage (51:51):
not just women. They always say that, you know? Shit,
like a boss or boss bitch orsomething.

Rick (51:59):
He had a whole song called bad. Or I think it was just
called bad. Maybe. Somethinglike that. But the whole song
was yeah, like, if you callyourself a Babbage, it's cool.
But if I call you a Babbage,then I'm being disrespectful.
And it's very similar to the Nword right? Where I can call you
the N word. But Jen has calledyou the N word before but he

(52:21):
can't do it publicly. You canyou can.

Genesis (52:29):
Always repercussion.
You cannot say

Rick (52:31):
you cannot tell me that and your gigolo days. You have
never said the pillow. gigolo.
Or what did I say?
You know what I meant in thosedays, there's no way you weren't
saying it. Like, every twoseconds. No, you are in your

(52:53):
room.

Sage (52:54):
I don't care what any white person on this person says
when they're alone in the carand listen to music. If hip hop
song Come on, they saying thatword.

Genesis (53:04):
That's a whole other conversation. fine to say
anyways, oh,

Rick (53:09):
well, I think we just discovered our next topic idea.
When is the N word? Okay? Neverknow, no, but like, it is
strange how some things can bepositive in one line. Like in
times of war, you absolutelywant toxic masculinity in on the

(53:30):
battlefield. You don't wantsomeone walking up to someone
with a gun and being like, hey,let's talk about this man. You
know,

Genesis (53:38):
I mean, like do or is like toxic in itself. Right? Can
you I mean, maybe

Sage (53:44):
it's true. Well, to be fair, if countries are going to
war at that point, talking hasfailed.

Genesis (53:53):
Right, right, right. So then you sort of revert back to
primal nature.

Sage (54:00):
We can try to talk it out all day. But he's still not
gonna listen. Well. I gotta makeyou listen.

Genesis (54:06):
Which is unfortunate.
Like I hopefully one day if welive to get so evolved, that we
can eliminate that and have somesense of peace. So there's no
fear of who's letting thepresident. True. Yeah, he's
gonna send those assassin hitsquads out.

Sage (54:25):
People just start dropping like flies slowly becoming a
better place.

Genesis (54:28):
Where did that dictator go? Let me see No, no, in a
while.

Sage (54:33):
Yeah, that's hilarious.
Wouldn't be good either. I'mtalking my poison. I'm doing I'm
doing just discrete stuff.

Genesis (54:43):
So switching it up a little bit. What do you guys
think? I mean, toxicmasculinity. That term itself
has been around for a while. Wesee it a lot more now and sort
of the Twitterverse and then thedevelopment of culture where
we're at now like it's becomingprominent, we're calling this
turned out a little bit isn'tbeing used properly, you

Sage (55:04):
know, 100% being taken advantage of look at the whole
cancel culture. For the smallestinfraction, people want to
cancel you.

Genesis (55:13):
Yeah. Yeah,

Rick (55:14):
I mean, you see videos every day all day about how a
guy explaining something in justany way at all is all of a
sudden mansplaining you know,like, you can't have an opinion
at all as a man. Now let merephrase it you can have an
opinion as a man. But if it'sabout women's issues, or if it's

(55:35):
about anything in general, whereyou're correcting the opposite
sex, it is now mansplaining

Sage (55:43):
see, and I don't even care about them because you have
you're hardcore feminist. Andthen women don't even like them.

Rick (55:51):
Yeah, yeah, it's easy like, like you're saying it is
easy to forget that there aretons of women that are just not
toxic in that regard themselves.
You know, there are tons of themthat don't think all mentorship
and I think most women don'tthink all mentorship but

Sage (56:10):
like, like those bitter bitches are bitter. Jesus, who
every Father's Day, Oh, get ridof Father's Day. Why don't
fathers needed a Fuck you bitch.
It takes two to tango.

Genesis (56:26):
That's kind of silly.

Rick (56:27):
Yeah. Or when people say Happy Father's Day to moms and
stuff like that. It's like, allright, like, how about instead
of like, let men have the day,right? We don't That's like
going to a cancer rally. Andtomorrow. What about AIDS?
Right. Like,

Sage (56:44):
I can't murder. Right, exactly. I can't jump on board
that because every year fromMother's Day, I hit up, right?
And I'm like, Hey, HappyMother's Day. You know, is your
bitch.

Rick (56:57):
Oh, I didn't my brother. I absolutely called Shawn and was
like, hey, Happy Mother's Day. Imean, he's married to the mother
of his children. They she'sabsolutely in the picture. But
you know, I still gotta let himknow.

Genesis (57:08):
I love the tactic you guys did on this episode. Like
you started off the first halflike yeah, like I love musicals.
You know, Disney kid, though,you know, it's fine. I cry share
my feelings. Fuck these bit ofbitches back and hold your ring
a man and now the true colorsare coming out. For the record.

Rick (57:27):
The bitches part was not me. I want to record this show
that phantom had nothing to dowith it. Rick had

Sage (57:35):
common vernacular.

Genesis (57:38):
It's lost all meaning it's just your insert.

Rick (57:40):
What? You have to do that with like, you don't do that
with your brother, Jim. Cuz he'sa dad, right? He's not a dad.
Oh, okay. Well, then

Genesis (57:48):
he doesn't get a Father's Day message either.

Rick (57:51):
Yeah, dude, I would.

Genesis (57:53):
I would. I would wish Ray a Mother's Day because he's,
he's a single dad. He's a bit

Rick (58:02):
now he we share the same last name. So he is he's more
than likely a brother. But

Sage (58:07):
if it makes you feel better, he beat me to it this
year. He called me the daybefore Mother's Day. He's like
Happy Mother's Day. Becauseyou're a bitch. I'm like, I
mean, got a kid.

Rick (58:17):
Got a kid? That's hilarious. He's like, Oh, Happy
Mother's Day.

Genesis (58:23):
Yeah, getting back to it, though. Like, as far as
like, if it's used right orused? I don't know, what's the
word? I wouldn't say positivebut like in a forward
progressive manner. I mean,women calling us out on our
bullshit, even though there'ssome casualties of war that
comes with that, generallyspeaking. Is it good? Like, are

(58:45):
we progressing to be better menbecause of this

Sage (58:50):
calling out? That's 100% Fine. I'm all for it. As long as
I'm asking,

Genesis (58:54):
is that going that way?
Because of what No,

Sage (58:59):
I don't see it going that way. Because the flow isn't
going both ways. It's all onesided. Like, cuz women like to
believe that. They live insociety from like the 50s where
they're all Suzie homemaker. Andthis perfect wife and we go to

(59:19):
work, we make all the we makeall the money, we expect you to
have this sadness. And they haveno opinion when that's not the
fucking case anymore. Women areleaders of industry. They hold
strong political positions. Andlike, like their rich boss
motherfuckers. Like, yeah,playing field is becoming

(59:43):
unbelievably even. So if you'regoing to call us out on our
bullshit, we should be able tocall you out on your bullshit.
What bullshit

Genesis (59:49):
would you call them out on like, what's toxic
femininity?

Sage (59:52):
Um, let's see. I ain't talking to nobody under 510 and
he has to have at least $70,000in it. Don't crib meanwhile, she
is four foot nothing has sixkids from six different baby
daddies.

Genesis (01:00:10):
Well, yeah, that's, that's not feminine quality.

Sage (01:00:13):
It's not a feminine quality, but it's becoming a
very big norm that we have tohave, we have to have x, y, z.
And they don't have anything.
They don't have really had tocome up with anything. But if we
mentioned it, then we're thefucking problem.

Rick (01:00:26):
Right? And you know what, a lot of times the standards
that they'd like to put out, andI'm not talking about women
specifically, but a lot of thestandards that you hear, isn't
us. It's not us creating thosestandards most of the time,
right? Like if these

Sage (01:00:42):
beauty standards and shit, yeah, that's the fucking
magazines, by your own gender.

Rick (01:00:47):
Yeah. It's not because like, men, by and large, you
know, particularly care. Yeah.
Well, I know some of us, we havepreferences. But it's also it's
not like we're, we're againstthe what we have a preference
of, you know what I mean?

Sage (01:01:02):
Like, you got you got a couple of animals out there, for
sure. Yeah. Yeah.

Rick (01:01:06):
But like you don't, you know, particular for a specific
race of people, right? Butyou're not going to turn that
down. You're not going to belike, Nah, I'm good. You might
although, you know, I never Iforgot who I'm talking to. You
might

Genesis (01:01:19):
might say, excuse me.

Sage (01:01:21):
Women will legit if a dude did this, which we wouldn't be
able to because the way societyis, but women will legit have
dudes saved in their phones,that they strictly go on dates
with to buy them dinner. Oh,yeah. And then. And then after
that, they be like, Oh, well,you know, can't hang out

(01:01:41):
anymore, then go meet up someother dude and suck his dick
that night?

Genesis (01:01:47):
Well, I mean, obviously, that's shitty. But I
think that comes that's abyproduct of women feeling more
empowered, and being able to beindependent within society. You
know, they're playing catch upto hundreds of years of
masculine dominance. I thinkit's logical to expect that type
of byproduct where you're sayinglike, if you ain't this, this
and this, then you're not on mylevel. See? Sure. It could be

(01:02:08):
shitty to say, but I think

Sage (01:02:11):
they know that level.

Genesis (01:02:13):
Well, yeah. You don't have to dater.

Rick (01:02:17):
No, I agree. I kind of agree with what you said. But at
the same time, the reason why Ican't fully agree is because
yes, they can hundreds of yearswhere they're behind, right. But
you can't try to rise to ourlevel, but then call our level
toxic. Like so you're saying youwant to be toxic with us? Let's

(01:02:37):
say that is that kind of

Genesis (01:02:39):
because the things that are being called out as toxic is
what? Put men in dominance forall those years, you know,
violence and aggression, andbattering the week. That's all
like, inhumane toxic shit thatman had been doing for hundreds
of years to stay in those, youknow, like, putting restrictions

(01:03:01):
and laws in place that keepwomen below you. It's not hard
to see.

Sage (01:03:07):
I mean, I guess they you can say that they were below us.
But when shit hit the fan, itwas always women and children
first. I never heard y'all getout of here. Right? It was
never. It was like building onfire. Get the one that children
first. I'm stuck. She walkedout. You pick up this motor? Can

(01:03:30):
you?

Genesis (01:03:31):
Well, that's a good point. Because that's that's
another thing that I don't knowif that's necessarily toxic
masculinity, but maybe a pointon why it's important to call
out toxic masculinity becausesomething like that, you know,
we're like, yes, women andchildren first. But there's this

(01:03:53):
idea that men maybe it's justself imposed, but have to be
heroes in every situation. Oryou have to be the leader in an
emergency. And that can lead toa lot of stress. And like that's
not healthy for us as men tohave to like bear those kind of
stresses to live up to sort ofthe dotted lines of what it

(01:04:17):
means to be a man

Sage (01:04:19):
I forget who said I think you said I think was like Chris
Wright or some but he wastalking about a situation like
that. And his his left like babyyou know, he's like bit
jumpscare too

Genesis (01:04:34):
that's what's hilarious, too, because like
we're breaking away from that,but it's it is unhealthy to
think that way or to feelpressure into that and I think
those are positive notes forcalling out toxic masculinity to
break that a little bit.

Sage (01:04:48):
See, I don't think it's toxic masculinity. I think we
need to just get rid of thatword, just toxic humanism at
this point.

Genesis (01:04:55):
Sure. I mean, I do agree with you like when I
always heard toxic masculinityBe like, Well, shit, what am I
doing that is positivemasculinity or toxic
masculinity? Which one like, andI have to and I hate having to
like question and like, followthe rules when I'm, you know,
just trying to be a decent humanbeing.

Sage (01:05:15):
Yeah, you have some some women, not all women, but you
have someone who will get mad atyou for holding the door for
him.

Rick (01:05:23):
Yeah, I've had that before.

Sage (01:05:25):
I'm like, Are you fucking kidding me? I was trying to be
nice and courteous. And now allof a sudden, I'm a big

Genesis (01:05:32):
Well, yeah, because like, what does that represent?
I don't know. Maybe there's somehistory there have like,

Sage (01:05:37):
there's a reason chivalry is dead.

Genesis (01:05:41):
But I'd be curious, like, you know, do women
actually feel that way? Or is itis it a small percentage that
think that that is a display oftoxic masculinity?

Sage (01:05:50):
I remember one day, this was, like 11 or 12 years ago,
something like that. When I wasdating Aaron. We had just came
out the movie there, and it'spouring rain. And she's like,
Yeah, go get the car and pull itup. Like, so I can get wet and
you stay dry. You come in withme? Is an equal relationship
with the fuck you thought thiswas? She got all mad, but I'm

(01:06:13):
like, alright, you just gonna bestanding here. It's called

Genesis (01:06:16):
Well, that's shitty.
Yeah, I

Rick (01:06:18):
don't know if y'all know.
I'm sorry.

Sage (01:06:22):
If I'm getting wet, we get dynamic.

Rick (01:06:26):
That's like, you're both getting mugged. And then he's
like, No, I just want your shit.
And you're like, hey, alright,come on. You gotta get your shit
out to He wants all. Yeah, well,if you're both like if you're
getting shot, or you

Sage (01:06:38):
are a human issue, we are a unit or one

Rick (01:06:43):
that we're not together.
To this day, I still do thechivalry thing. Go around, open
the car door or hold the dooropen for everyone. But that's
just how I was raised. My dadwas very like, you show respect
at all times. And until theyshowed it until they're

(01:07:04):
disrespectful. You show respect?

Sage (01:07:08):
Yeah, I want to do the car door but I opened up the door
because you're just just youdon't do the car door.

Rick (01:07:13):
You don't walk around to open it. How do I do every time?

Genesis (01:07:18):
I open the door open first random strangers.

Sage (01:07:21):
Yeah. Opening up the door for ya do that. But nothing
pisses me off when I open up adoor for a random stranger and
then they don't say thank youwhen they walk by. Oh, yeah.

Rick (01:07:32):
Yeah. I get out.

Genesis (01:07:38):
Well, then what are you doing? Are you doing it for your
own selfish reasons?

Sage (01:07:43):
No, no, at this point is just second nature. You just
fucking do it. Yeah, like if I'mleaving out somewhere and I see
two people walking up out thedoor. But then sometimes while
I'm doing it, because let's sayit's two white people in the
back of my head like, Mr.
Doorman.

Rick (01:08:01):
It's like this. You're supposed to do that. No, no, I
mean, I should. But I don't haveto say thank you.

Sage (01:08:09):
Majority is having to do but every now and then you get
that one person. I'm like, Look,you

Rick (01:08:13):
know what I what I've started doing is when they don't
say anything. I'll just sayYou're welcome.

Sage (01:08:20):
Wow, just loud and ignorant.

Rick (01:08:23):
I don't get to play Okay, I did. Well, you're welcome. You
know and aggressive when I dothat, though. Nine times out of
10 The person will go off sorry.
Thank you. I'm and they usuallywill just give me some excuse.
Like I'm just in my own world orwhatever. Yeah, but there's
yeah, there's always a few timeswhere they don't even respond
really. And look at you. Theyjust keep walking.

Genesis (01:08:46):
And you keep doing it.
Yeah. Beat up too harsh by thesmart

Rick (01:08:52):
dad. My dad Dude, my dad has absolutely ingrain that in
me like nah, motherfucker.
You're definitely going to berespectful.

Sage (01:09:01):
Just start carrying a lasso and every time they don't
say thank you just pull themback through the door. Open it
open it to fucking so justwalking.

Rick (01:09:09):
But then what if I last them around the neck in any

Sage (01:09:12):
yankin that's a hate crime. That's my point. Jesus

Rick (01:09:20):
went off the rails a little bit Tom

Genesis (01:09:28):
Welcome back

Rick (01:09:31):
to our new listeners.
Don't worry about it. All of ourcontent is not like this. Notice
the N word

Genesis (01:09:45):
DSP edited that out.
I'll never know toxic whiteness.

Rick (01:09:56):
I can't I cannot wait until I take over the editing.
responsibilities. Let me

Genesis (01:10:03):
take clips from outside of our conversation and put them
in as if we were saying

Rick (01:10:07):
oh no oh no, I absolutely will. Now I've been secretly
recording every X block liveconversation I got some gems of
you seen some work

Genesis (01:10:20):
on a museum for toxic masculinity?

Rick (01:10:23):
For sure.

Sage (01:10:24):
Modeling any of us should be allowed to do that. No,

Rick (01:10:28):
no, no, absolutely.
Absolutely not. Definitely notme

Sage (01:10:33):
don't do nothing but just paint yourself to be in the best
light all of a sudden Rick willstart sounding Harvard educated

Genesis (01:10:40):
right huh

Rick (01:10:42):
I'm gonna I'm gonna read up all my audio I say I sound
entirely smart and then youall's responses you're gonna be
you're gonna sound like you'redrooling and fucking

Genesis (01:10:54):
Now listen, DSP already gets he gets paid the big bucks
to make us sound as intelligent.
We end up sounding to thelisteners

Rick (01:11:04):
Oh my goodness.

Sage (01:11:06):
Which sadly says a lot.
Yeah, I you know, a DSP insertdarkness my.

Rick (01:11:15):
I kind of want to DSP to start keeping a like a tally of
how many times either I'll sayum, or, like if I make the
little popping sound that yousaid I made? I made or like if I
stutter or something? BecauseI'm because since you said it,
I'm actively trying to not doit.

Sage (01:11:36):
I'm pretty sure he has like, a blooper reel. Just just
waiting for one day where wejust fuck up. He's like, Oh,
okay.

Rick (01:11:45):
Yeah, he's gonna be like, okay,

Sage (01:11:47):
okay. All right.

Genesis (01:11:49):
You don't want to pay me this week. All right.

Rick (01:11:52):
Or you didn't say DSP.
Edit that out one time thiswhole episode. Okay. All right.
Oh, by the way, fuck you, Kurt.

Sage (01:12:01):
I was waiting for this cat.

Rick (01:12:03):
It's gotta be a thing.
It's gotta be a thing. I fuckingchoke while I'm

Genesis (01:12:11):
at it I don't know anymore. Now, I was going to
give you guys some commonquotes. You know men say are

(01:12:31):
here. And you guys are going todetermine if it's toxic
masculinity or not.

Sage (01:12:38):
Is one of the quotes. I won't be there. This no no never
was.

Genesis (01:12:46):
It is now is Yeah, yeah, that one

Sage (01:12:52):
no bad. No Paco. My fans fuck. Yami

Genesis (01:12:57):
Yeah, that just happened.

Sage (01:12:59):
You were poking my fans.
You've been down. I'm sorry. I'msorry. You were too busy being
down with the clown.

Rick (01:13:08):
My intro as my intros.

Genesis (01:13:10):
Yeah, maybe? No.
Nowhere near actually. Allright. All right. Yeah, so I got
some phrases here for you guys.
And you guys tell me if theseare toxic masculinity or not.
Okay. Well, we kind of alreadytalked about this, but boys
don't cry.

Rick (01:13:25):
Yeah, I think it's a little toxic.

Sage (01:13:29):
As somebody who doesn't cry, I will agree. It is I mean,
if you want to cry cry,

Genesis (01:13:34):
throw like a girl.

Rick (01:13:36):
Yes, that's absolutely toxic. I

Sage (01:13:40):
mean, have you seen a majority of the girls or?

Genesis (01:13:43):
Yeah, I'm softball players. Oh,

Sage (01:13:45):
holy. Yeah. Oh, dude, softball players are ridiculous.
Now softball in itself. I thinkit's toxic masculinity.

Rick (01:13:54):
Or the fact that we don't call it baseball. No.

Sage (01:13:58):
The fact that they have to use a softball. There's nothing
about baseball to where they canuse a normal baseball bat just
like we do.

Rick (01:14:06):
Well, yeah, no, I think you're absolutely right. There's
nothing about the bat. There'snothing about the ball that you
can't play regular baseball.

Sage (01:14:16):
It makes absolutely no sense to me never has.

Rick (01:14:19):
Now one thing I will say.
I think they need to stopbullshitting around and just
lower the rim for the WNBA justby like no not hear me out. I'm
saying this because Wait, I'msaying this because I think
you're toxic? No, they don'tnobody watches you for it. Yeah.
Attendance is awful. They'rebeing subsidized by the NBA. So

(01:14:44):
they really don't make a wholelot of money themselves. And I
think they don't not saying theydon't realize like I'm not
mansplaining Go fuck yourself.
But I'm saying that one of thereasons why the NBA games get so
much more more viewership isbecause of how exciting the
games are where people are.
People are actually looping toeach other. That is not they

(01:15:05):
look like they're struggling toshoot a regular free throw,
like, very textbook. Yeah, likeif you lowered even just two
inches, three inches. LetBrittney Griner go out there and
put her nuts on. Some dudes aresome cheeses. Brittney Griner go
out there and dunk on thesefools. I think it'll be. I think

(01:15:27):
it'll blow up in popularitysince the games really aren't
that fun to watch

Genesis (01:15:35):
as they're not the same height and envy.

Rick (01:15:37):
No, that's the product. It is. That's the problem. For
every Brittney Griner. There'slike 20 Muggsy Bogues. Like the
average female basketballplayer, I think is like five,
six.

Sage (01:15:55):
She's still being illegally detained. Yes, she's

Rick (01:15:58):
still in Russia. I was just talking about that
yesterday. That's wild thatthere's not a bigger

Sage (01:16:05):
outcry for her. There's like there's almost no media
coverage.

Rick (01:16:09):
Like why is she still over there? Like I get it. She had
the hash oil. It's been likethree months now.

Genesis (01:16:16):
Average? WNBA NBA height is five, nine. All

Rick (01:16:20):
that it's like, okay, okay. All right. I bet you
they'll catch this faith though.

Sage (01:16:28):
Oh, Martin, not the same thing. Lisa, Lisa, Lisa Leslie
beat the brakes on

Rick (01:16:35):
this fight. Ultimate basketball? No.

Genesis (01:16:40):
What do you think the average height is for the NBA?

Rick (01:16:42):
Oh, 656.

Sage (01:16:46):
Let's say like six three, something like that?

Genesis (01:16:48):
Six, four. Yeah. Yeah.
And it actually says the averageheight has been declining. Or
some interesting reason I'msure. Yeah,

Rick (01:16:55):
cuz not I know. Women want that. But not every males shacks
height of seven, three foot tallas

Sage (01:17:04):
well, then, you know, because of stricter FDA
regulations. There's not as manysteroids and foods anymore.

Genesis (01:17:13):
Oh, growth hormones and all that. Yeah. All right. What
about man up?

Sage (01:17:18):
I'd say yes. Because everything about Yeah, that's a
yes. Even though I like seeingit.

Genesis (01:17:25):
I'm assuming when you say you're saying in sort of a
joking role or

Sage (01:17:28):
to a friend. Yeah. I'm not talking shit to anybody saying
that.

Genesis (01:17:31):
Yeah, like they just broke up, or they just got
dumped by their girlfriend andyou're like, man up,

Sage (01:17:35):
right? Oh, no. I'm not gonna kick somebody when they're
down.

Rick (01:17:40):
No, no, because yeah, I think I've called you before
when I was going throughrelationships shape, and I don't
recall you ever telling me tomana I'll be honest, it might
have been funny here. Maybe.

Sage (01:18:00):
But I feel like there's between telling somebody it's
condescending to tell somebodyman up outside of a joking
manner. You know for sure. Yeah.
But I feel like if you tellsomebody man the fuck up. That's
like serious shits about tohappen. I need you in the game.
I need your head and fuckinggame right now.

Genesis (01:18:18):
Right? It almost feels like bad advice that you would
have heard in the 90s. Like, I'msure they said that a ton on Boy
Meets World.

Rick (01:18:28):
I was I didn't say man up.
I was talking to this girl once.
And she was talking about thatshe had to go to her car or
something like that? No. Okay. Iwas 20 at the time. So let me
start off with saying that. Butwe were dating. We were talking
and she had to run to her carafter getting up for work at
like 10 o'clock. And at the timeI lived about an hour away. I

(01:18:53):
wouldn't drive it all the way upthere for that. And so just in a
joking way I go you know, it'sjust put your big boy pants on
and just dart out to the car.
Fun fact I have never talked toher kids since

Sage (01:19:08):
she got in the car and just never

Rick (01:19:11):
know she just give please get a pack of cigarettes. No,
no. Like she's missing so much.
She cut me off completely. Likeshe's, she could really blocked
me on everything.

Genesis (01:19:23):
That was the joke we were making. That she killed her
so she's

Rick (01:19:30):
gonna say like she was missing. No.

Sage (01:19:34):
Put on her big boy pants and just run out there. So she
ran out there and never came.

Genesis (01:19:40):
I mean, it was the last been you. There's no clear

Rick (01:19:44):
path to what you're saying. Like,

Sage (01:19:46):
yeah, it's right there.
Couldn't be if it was paid instone, it couldn't be included.
No.

Rick (01:19:54):
Ha you would have got it.
No, no. What so what you guysdid was Do you know what I made
for dinner tonight? Oh, youdidn't know I made pizza and it
was clear his dad made pizzalike that's what you don't think
you know what you just did notknow what you that's exactly
what it was no not at all I

Sage (01:20:12):
just said I told this girl to just you know put on her big
boy pants and run out there realfast. And then she cut me off.
So which we say no no, no,

Rick (01:20:21):
no that's not no no that no I said that. She cut me off
after you all say no that. NoDSBA ruwan

Sage (01:20:32):
Okay, okay, let's let's say I'm wrong. context clues.
lets me know that she cuts youoff.

Genesis (01:20:39):
I'm pretty sure we made the joke after he said she was
he was cut off.

Rick (01:20:44):
I said I never heard from her again. My exact words. Yeah,
cuz I don't know like,

Sage (01:20:55):
on her big boy pants and got hit by a car.

Genesis (01:21:00):
I am going to get a pack of cigarettes. You know the
common thing the dad would sayto before he ditches his family
like I thought

Rick (01:21:05):
it was milk. I thought the dads got usually go get milk.

Sage (01:21:09):
Next question.

Genesis (01:21:13):
Milk that yeah,

Rick (01:21:14):
I'm gonna go get some milk. Oh, hold on me pronounce
me. yak yak.

Genesis (01:21:20):
Ernest scared stupid.
And we're back. This one's foryou, Rick. Maybe I don't I'm
actually curious why? You guysmight have given me some
enlightenment and why you thinkthis is on this list. But the
phrases you better lock up Thatdaughter of yours.

Rick (01:21:38):
Oh, that is not only toxic. That is crazy. Shit.

Sage (01:21:44):
That's super creepy. Super creepy.

Genesis (01:21:48):
Yeah. Okay, so I am reading it as it sounds.

Sage (01:21:53):
Like one of your friends then yeah, only friends no more.

Genesis (01:21:59):
Rick, do you handle issues of like, gender or gender
equality with your daughters?
Like, is that something that'scome up here? I know. There's
pretty young but

Rick (01:22:08):
you know, in a way. Yes.
Violet used to always thinkthat. Anytime someone did
something, she would say that'swhat boys do. Or that's what
girls do. You know? And, youknow, I try to kind of be like,
well, no boys can do the samething if they want. You
shouldn't just because you seemore boys doing it doesn't mean
you should make fun of someoneelse. We're doing it.

(01:22:30):
Thankfully, she seems to havegotten that out of her system.
But other deeper stuff. No.

Sage (01:22:39):
People used to give me shit about my hoops. My hoop
earring. Like all boys don'twear hoots. Mike. Whoa, I'm
wearing hoops. Yeah, I like theway I look. I look better and
Houston stood somewhere infucking hoops. Yeah,

Rick (01:22:50):
I went to Gamestop once to buy a ps4 controller. And the
girl behind the counter justimmediately grabbed the balloon.
And she was like, alright, herethis ceiling will we have? I'm
like, No. What about the pinkone? She was like, you want
pink? I was like, Yeah, Iactually kind of do want the
pink one. And she's like, you'reWow. Most guys come in here. And

(01:23:11):
they're just like pagans for forsissies and stuff. It's like,
well, it's corny. It's stupid.

Sage (01:23:16):
I'm not you just like camera.

Rick (01:23:18):
I'm like yeah man Dipset no for like this silly to me.
Like I went to when I worked atBestBuy I wore a purple button
up dress shirt for like my firstday. And I had people come up to
me saying Oh, you're brave forwearing purple like it's color.
It's a color who gives a shitPurple's my favorite color?

(01:23:39):
Yeah, like purple is dope. Thatblue is the best but purple
second.

Genesis (01:23:44):
I mean, it's in the same family.

Sage (01:23:45):
Maybe they were saying you braid because the shade of
purple. Maybe didn't go withyour skin skin.

Rick (01:23:52):
That purple.

Sage (01:23:53):
I mean, certain people just can't wear certain shades
of shirts. It just doesn't lookright.

Genesis (01:23:57):
Should we just do like a roast episode where we

Sage (01:23:59):
just Well, no, no, no. I mean I would not look right in
the orange anything. I wouldhave weird shit.

Genesis (01:24:07):
Orange. Oh, because your skin tone you think? Yeah,

Sage (01:24:11):
it just it would clash with my skin tone.

Rick (01:24:13):
You should get blonde hair. Like that would be That'd
be funny. It wouldn't look rightat all. What I think you should
do what it was

Genesis (01:24:20):
do it because you'll look funny.

Sage (01:24:23):
My clown but no like end up being taken from how much am
I like and just pulling, pullingit off. Totally pulling it off.

Genesis (01:24:35):
And I feel like we we've started. We've replaced
Witcher and Kojima with How IMet Your Mother and father as a
matter of references we do

Rick (01:24:43):
I mean, that's true. I haven't brought up either them
in a few episodes. I brought upone of them today. But

Sage (01:24:50):
let's say you introduced yourself with Kojima. What

Rick (01:24:57):
I didn't bring up last couple of years. So I don't
think I brought any of them up.
You all bring them up most ofthe time?

Genesis (01:25:04):
Yes, yeah. Because, yeah, I'm grasping on to the
past

Rick (01:25:08):
right. The first 60 episodes were all me

Genesis (01:25:15):
back to the first five episodes and doesn't mind when
you got to tell us about Kojimaand what's your today rent?
Ransom, ransom.

Rick (01:25:22):
I can't wait to the YouTube comments start rolling
in as people just like, I wishthis guy was shut the fuck up
about Kojima

Genesis (01:25:32):
tune in to Episode 48 when he actually did shut the
fuck up about it. Boys will beboys.

Sage (01:25:43):
I don't I don't think that's toxic. I don't think

Rick (01:25:47):
No, I don't think so. You

Genesis (01:25:49):
see, I thought the same, but then I was thinking
about that one a lot. Becausethat statement comes up a lot in
terms of toxic masculinitybecause it almost gives approval
for the action of the person.

Sage (01:26:03):
I don't think it's toxic, depending on the age group. If
you're a young kid, I would saybelow teen so let's go like 10
Maybe even 11 Boys will be boys.
Like I that that's fine. I mean,you know, boys roughhousing is
just what we do. Right. But ifyou're a teenager an adult, and
you're like, oh, boy, the boysfirst of all you need to be

(01:26:25):
arrested.

Genesis (01:26:28):
Yeah, because that mean that came out and a lot of rape
situations where you know, Ibelieve in the ya know, as
female and you're like, youknow, boys will be boys. They're
just you wanted it you know,kind of shit. Like

Sage (01:26:42):
I never I never understood the whole you want. I'm like
she's clearly telling you this

Rick (01:26:48):
doesn't make Yeah, that's not really a good defense at
all. Like no, I think the Ithink the screaming and the
crying and kicking and on Ithink that kind of kind of
throws

Genesis (01:27:00):
Breakfast Club like what was the what did you do?
They duct taped his ass open orsomething like that. What was
it? What was the story? He told?

Sage (01:27:08):
You mean? The actual movie Breakfast Club?

Genesis (01:27:10):
Yeah,

Sage (01:27:11):
that's actually talking about the other podcast I'm
like, What are you talkingabout?

Genesis (01:27:16):
Now when Emilio was opening up

Sage (01:27:20):
Yeah, I know what you're talking I just can't remember
what he said but I know whatyou're talking about though.

Genesis (01:27:24):
But imagine like he BAM like a character like that his
dad were like Oh boys will beboys and like bullying
situations and like so arefraternities and high school
situations where you got likejacks or some picking on the
nerds and yeah, that's hittinghome for me of course but so I
think the more I like I likethought about the boys will be

(01:27:45):
boys statement. It definitely.
Now I agree. Like yeah, sure.
Maybe if you use it in a smallerage group or a younger age
group. It takes them a littlebit of a different meaning. But
I think as a whole it'sdefinitely feels like a toxic
statement.

Sage (01:27:59):
If whenever I've heard that enough said by older people
it's generally been people fromthe caucus mountains Sure. I
don't think that's the thingbecause in I mean, no, I'm not
saying it right. Doesn't happenin in the black community
because of course it does. But Idon't think anybody's ever been

(01:28:20):
like, Oh, well. Boys will beboys. i You hear that? More from
like, sports things like sportscoaches, and she like that
talking about their team andshit like that.

Genesis (01:28:32):
Right? The hazing rituals that can come out of
some of that stuff.

Sage (01:28:35):
Yeah. As an adult, no, there's no reason you should be
saying anything about boys. Evenif you change it to Men will be
men. That's even weird. That iskind

Genesis (01:28:46):
of where Men will be men the fuck

Sage (01:28:49):
What does that mean? So please explain.

Genesis (01:28:52):
Man is the one to take care of the entire family.

Sage (01:28:56):
I mean, I think it's toxic only because I need sugar mama
my only jobs was look look good.
cook and clean. I got it.

Genesis (01:29:10):
Be a little cabana boy.
Be happy to go. But I think thetask sickness is that maybe not
so much now but I would. I wouldimagine in a lot of parts of the
country or even the world wheremen feel like that is the sole
role of their position is to bethe one that takes care of the

(01:29:34):
entire family. And that's a hugeamount of like responsibility
for someone to heal. You know,

Sage (01:29:44):
there's and that's because pressure from a fucked up
society. Because you have thesemen who put other men down and
try to make themselves look goodin front of women talking about
oh, if you with me, you're notpaying for nothing I want or if
you want me I want to let I wantyou to work with me you won't
allow her she she want to fuckher work Why would you get let

(01:30:05):
her get her bed? That's moremoney into the fucking house.
I've

Genesis (01:30:08):
never understood that either. Yeah, and I've seen
those I've seen I've seen thatin place you know that I like my
wife will never work or done theopposite he doesn't want me to
work and he won't let me workyou know, it's like it's such a
weird thought process.

Sage (01:30:24):
If I'm making six figures and you got to trade or craft
that you can also make sixfigures Why the fuck would I not
want you to work? Now if you'retalking about you want to work
and you get up every day and goto McDonald's, you stay at home

Genesis (01:30:42):
I don't know if he's bringing me home chicken nuggets
every night like the dream but Imean also for anybody listening
we're not gonna have Rick therest of this episode because
he's poor as Walmart Internetjust went out you know he's not
gonna listen to this so we couldreally actually say anything

(01:31:04):
about the

Sage (01:31:05):
Cracker Jack and and a bird flew over his house and

Genesis (01:31:10):
I think he got a cease and desist from Kojima all the
shit he was talking about havinga phone number.

Sage (01:31:16):
Now he his kids finally had finally tired of running on
that hamster wheel which poweredhis internet he's a bad parents
what we're seeing right now,

Genesis (01:31:26):
what we're saying? What a toxic masculine dad. Again,
fuck with it. What I was gonnasay though, is do you think your
viewpoint on that as far aslike, you know, not giving a
shit if the woman wants to workor your you know, your partner
or whatever. Because your mom isan independent, resourceful

(01:31:49):
woman. And so you grew up aroundher, or you grew up around
powerful women essentially. Andlike, in my case, to you know,
my mom's very independent womanto doesn't take shit from man.
So like, I grew up with thatideology as well. I mean, I
mean, that plays a major roleinto how you're viewing women, I

(01:32:10):
guess.

Sage (01:32:11):
I mean, I could possibly have an influence on it. I just
always thought that if I'mbusting my ass every day, why
you get to live the easy life,you know? Yeah. And then, you
know, you have this whole subsetof women who sit there and say,
well, raising kids is work thatI'm doing it to

Genesis (01:32:33):
Wait, so you're not dismissing the fact that it's
work. And don't use that?

Sage (01:32:39):
Because they're all you really do when you come home and
you sit on the couch? I'm withthem all day. Oh, boohoo you're
with them all day. They take anap. A good majority of that
day.

Genesis (01:32:51):
Okay, so you are just missing the housewife work for
little kids? Yes. It's worse forlittle kids. No, because the
harder

Sage (01:33:01):
you put them down once they take Yeah, it's rough when
they're up. Because they're upand all over the place. Oh shit.
Yeah. When you when they take anap, they're down for what hour?
To an hour, two hours whatever.
Some places only get 30 minutesbreak. You told me you get two
hours

Genesis (01:33:24):
to go like what they don't get. They're cleaning the
house. They're preparing mealsand

Sage (01:33:29):
today in today's day and age you ain't even got to do it.
You got to put them down stick afucking iPad in front of them.
Maybe on YouTube just contentfor hours. Why are you doing
whatever the fuck you want todo? Yeah,

Genesis (01:33:41):
Rick, welcome back.
Rick. We did think you were offfor the rest of this episode. So
don't listen to this part of theepisode where you left

Sage (01:33:50):
there was nothing bad said about you. I keep saying we were
actually weren't. We weren't foryour safety.

Rick (01:33:59):
There's like a little red icon on the top left. So I don't
know what's going on. But yeah,so you tell my children when
they just sit in front of theiPads and play all day? No, he

Genesis (01:34:11):
was trying to say that housewives or homemakers? It's
not a real job.

Rick (01:34:18):
Not is not you tell the bill birthday where he's like
your fault. Yeah, we

Sage (01:34:25):
talked about it too. It was man I don't I don't consider
being a stay at home. Mom a realjob that being said, I love to
be a stay at home dad. Also nota real job, which is why I love
being stay at home dad.

Genesis (01:34:43):
Probably see it on both sides. I guess all the episode

Sage (01:34:50):
into my bag about woman bashing

Genesis (01:34:54):
your own show Oh, did you get Is there anything else
you wanted to talk about that? Imean, I think we're losing Rick
in and out I don't know if he'sactually here but

Sage (01:35:06):
nobody ever really here.
Whoa, whoa,

Genesis (01:35:10):
simulation he's a simulation. I created him I
coded him he got simulation

Sage (01:35:15):
theory in all right well that no didn't catch me nowhere
I may start streaming actuallymight might be streaming this
weekend. Well actually no, youwon't hear this next week. So it
might be streaming the weekendafter I'm talking about my words
now. Evil Dead it's gonna getstreamed at some point. That's
what I'm getting at.

Genesis (01:35:37):
Friday the 13th release of Evil Dead whether this goes
up before or after that.

Rick (01:35:42):
It's gonna be so fun everyone. This I might post this
this week, so I'll just push itout tonight. Yeah,

Genesis (01:35:48):
yeah yeah,

Sage (01:35:57):
but yeah, like I was saying, yeah, um, my name is
Jeff. Um it sometime on Twitch,you'll be able to find me. Like
might be in the description. Ifnot, you can always catch xcerts
on the ticky. talkies. At leastkids are calling it

Genesis (01:36:18):
I want some Takis now.
Oh, it's fucking me a

Rick (01:36:23):
tick, tick. Not tick tock tick. Tock is not like they're
okay. They're not that good

Genesis (01:36:29):
hotkeys or fire.

Rick (01:36:30):
They're not. They are trash. Dude, I'm not taking
advice, food wise from someonewho likes Gouda cheese.

Genesis (01:36:43):
Gouda sounds like

Rick (01:36:46):
it sounds like what you that's the noise you make when
you bond. In it,

Sage (01:36:52):
have you tried it?

Rick (01:36:53):
I'm almost positive. I have. It's not good.

Genesis (01:36:56):
I have some habanero honey Gouda in my fridge right
now.

Sage (01:37:00):
I mean, Bri is better, but in unranked Gouda,

Genesis (01:37:05):
but Bri is different bread but I don't know if I
think Gouda is better forcrackers.

Sage (01:37:09):
We're sure we're not tax bracket

Genesis (01:37:14):
for us on Patreon as cargo and caviar and Bri that's
funny scones for Rick becauseyou know

Rick (01:37:27):
oh my goodness. I'm not calling cookie school. Right.
Now it's not as a callback fromthe last episode. Yeah,

Sage (01:37:36):
sounds good, right? No, Hannibal birth

Genesis (01:37:41):
record anything you want to promote from pedals out?
I don't know some toxicmasculinity. Your topic you
wanted to talk about this?

Rick (01:37:49):
I did. That was when I had a good internet connection
though.

Sage (01:37:55):
Back in 1860

Rick (01:37:57):
Oh my goodness. This guy this guy No You know I didn't
really want to bring up much Ireally just wanted to talk about
this to like

Sage (01:38:06):
it legit sounds like you're getting auto tuned right
now. Just Say bye. Bye niggas.

Genesis (01:38:18):
Bye I don't know what to do after
that. Tune in next week toquestion the views and opinions
expressed are solely our own andnot of the corporations we work

(01:38:41):
for. Other than finance.

Rick (01:38:48):
You said something about petitioning for the removal.

Sage (01:38:55):
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