February 5, 2024 • 57 mins
Welcome to another episode of The Healing Club Podcast. This week, we decided to talk about a sensitive subject, which is trauma. We talked about some sensitive topics, but these things need to be talked about. Trauma is tough to live, but we do our best to own it & cope with it. Let us know how you deal with trauma in your life.
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Oh shit, what's good everyone? What up? This is the healing club podcast. I am Sean and
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I'm here with my co-host Luke the greatest man. You already know what it is. Yes, sir.
And if you don't know, well, now you know. All right, but we are on episode 14, episode
14, but I never thought we will make it this far. I never thought we'll make it this far.
Thank you for everyone that supported us and watched what we've been doing. It really means
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a lot and all the great comments that we received from you great folks. It pushes us to keep
on making these episodes. And it really did. And I'm glad I like, I do not regret this.
I'm like, this is an accomplishment for us. Like for me personally, I can't believe I
made it to episode 14. I'm just glad we did this because we talked about it for a minute.
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Yeah. You know, and then we just say, Hey, let's just do it, bro. And look at us now.
14 deep, 14 deep. We've really made it this far. And thank you for everyone that's watched
us. And for once that just started, thank you for being here and we won't disappoint
you. We are, we are here on this healing journey with y'all healing. Don't stop. So before we
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begin, I want to reach out to those that are, that are going through unimaginable, unimaginable
pain, you know, like just, just feels like giving up right now. I'm telling you right
now, the mental wars, the mental wars, like you feel like, like you, like you just don't
want to see tomorrow. I want to reach out to y'all real quick. If y'all are going through
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that kind of pain, reach out, reach out to somebody, reach out to us, reach out. Like
there was a lot of people that love you, man. Like all the episodes that we've, we've talked
about, you know, 8,000 people on, I mean, 8 billion people on this world, like everybody
special, everyone had love. So reach out to somebody if you're going through that pain.
But if you, if you feel like you have nobody, there is always that hotline out there. 988
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is the number. So make sure, make sure you know, you reach out to them. Don't, don't
give up. Don't give up on life.
Nah, for sure, man. And just like we always say, 988, everything is confidential. You
know, you ain't got to worry about your business getting put out there. Definitely bro. If
you know, you going through something like that and you know, you got a mental battle
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going on and you don't feel like there's no way out, hit up that number bro.
988, you can call or text that number. It got shorter. What used to be 1-800-whatever-whatever-whatever.
Yeah, 2-7 something. Yeah, it was. It was. Yeah.
Yeah. So yeah, 988 is so simple. Reach out to them. Please reach out to us. Well, shoot,
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our comments are always open. You can hit us up on Instagram, anywhere. You see us anywhere?
Nah, for sure, man. Send a message.
For real. But today we are going to talk about trauma. And I know, sorry, sorry, sorry, Luke.
I know, I know Detroit fans are going through a lot of trauma right now for, you know.
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Yes. Yeah, man.
A little tough.
That championship game was just something, dude. It was honestly like a roller coaster,
like we going up, we going up, you know, because, you know, the first half we was killing it,
bro. Yeah.
And then that drop happened and we was not ready for it. But I don't know what it was
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or what went on in the locker room during that halftime, but they came out, bro. We
wasn't catching nothing. We couldn't move the ball. Like it was just like bad luck,
bro. Because a lot of that 49er stuff was luck, bro, like that deep tip pass, the DB
bro, he did what he was supposed to do, right? He played good defense, you know, he didn't
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catch the ball. Obviously that's why he on defense because he can't catch it. Right.
Yeah. And then it hit off the helmet and what's the name? I you caught it, caught the tip,
bro. That. Yeah, no, it was a lot of that ain't the most luckiest. Like, you know,
everybody was talking about NFL scripted and this, this and that you can't script that, bro.
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Yeah. That play you can't script that.
It was a lot of bullshit. And a lot of people were saying, oh, why didn't y'all kick? Y'all
could have, y'all could have had six. Well, that ain't, I don't know, that ain't y'all style.
No, it's not. Y'all never kicked.
Yeah. The Lions believe in them. So you see how many times they went for it on fourth down. So
and. Hey, that's how y'all made it that far, though.
Nah, for sure. They believe in their players. You know, that's always a positive thing.
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Live on the fourth and die by the fourth.
Oh, facts facts facts, because it was one for the version we didn't get that little key city.
Yeah. No, no. Yeah, that last one died. Yeah. That's well said. Well said.
You live by the fourth and you die by the fourth. But, you know, us Falcons fans can't talk too much.
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We always go, you know, we always go through traumatizing experiences.
Yeah. Uniforms. Yeah. Yeah. That's a cool uniform.
At least at least we got that. Yeah. Y'all look crispy.
Oh, I like when I like when we pull out the throwbacks.
Out of throwbacks. Got a classic. Yeah, the class one. They'd be all black, too.
That's a crispy. But all right, let's get into trauma.
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So what is trauma? So trauma refers to an emotional or a psychological response to an event or a series
of events that are distressing or harmful, you know, often exceeding a person's ability to cope.
So, yeah, trauma trauma is serious. Like if it if it defeats your coping techniques,
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then we then that trauma has to be, you know, it has it has to be assessed.
So there's different types of trauma. Trauma can be categorized into different types,
including acute trauma resulting acute trauma results resulting from a single incident
and complex trauma resulting from prolonged or repeated experiences.
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I didn't know there's that many different types of trauma.
It's a lot of time. Trauma is just trauma.
Yeah, like I said, yeah, like like blunt force trauma.
Yeah, I thought trauma was just trauma. Yeah, you know, no matter, you know,
where you weigh it in, it was always trauma to me. So that's something new. I just like
dog. I'm just surprised. Like it it just like trauma takes away your ability to cope that.
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So that's not that's just scary.
No, it is because I feel like coping is like in your in your peaceful state.
Yeah, because I feel like when that ability is gone, now it's like you just outside exposed,
just defenseless, like it's nothing you can do. No, that's that's so scary.
Like when you're defenseless, like as a man to like you're exposed, weak.
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So why why is why is why are we talking about trauma on a mental health podcast?
So we're going to I want to talk about the impact on mental health with trauma.
So trauma can have profound effects on mental health, leading to conditions like PTSD,
anxiety disorders, depression and other mood disorders. So trauma, trauma.
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I didn't even think about that. Like trauma goes into PTSD, like trauma,
trauma is in every every like aspect of a negative lifestyle.
So when you think about like like PTSD, like we think about, you know,
these soldiers that go through these things.
And now that I think about it, remember, what was that? What was that movie? American Sniper?
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What? Chris Kyle? Yeah.
And you know how he died? You know, he died helping out.
Yeah, he also had PTSD as well.
But you see how PTSD can affect like someone's mental.
Like he was just out there helping somebody and some some guy with PTSD
probably saw him as an enemy or something. That's crazy.
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Like how trauma can just take a hold of your mental and your and your and your actions.
It pretty much like on a severe case, far as trauma, with that situation, I feel like since
his trauma was so severe, it kind of had that power over him to like alter his reality.
Like like how you said, you know, one day he see him, you know, he Chris Kyle, he had to he helping
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me out the next day. You like, you know, he one of them guys that use at war against, you know what I mean?
Yeah. Yeah. Like trauma, trauma, like that, that shit really takes control of you.
Yeah. Like you don't have you don't have like control your mental.
Mm hmm. Like that meant like that man was just trying to help you out.
But like that that's what PTSD can do.
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No, big facts and then anxiety disorders.
Man, I don't know what an anxiety attack is like, man, but I see it like they like they're hyperventilating
and crying like you like you think if you're going to die.
But I actually had one of those before anxiety, anxiety or I don't know if it was anxiety tech or panic attack.
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I feel like I mean, they're probably different, but sure they.
Very similar. But for me, bro, it was it was weird. I didn't even know I was having that attack.
I had to call my therapist. So I was in the car and I was driving and I forgot where I was at.
I think I was like by the harbor or somewhere near downtown San Diego.
And bro, I had my windows down and all I was smelling, bro, was like the ocean, bro.
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You know, like that strong smell of the ocean, bro.
And I just kind of went to the ocean and I was like, man, I'm going to go to the ocean.
Bro, and I just kind of went stiff, bro.
Like I had to pull over, bro. I was like breathing extra hard, bro.
My eyes was like, like it felt like I was starting to see like little twinkles, like little stars and stuff.
I was getting really hot, bro.
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I just really had to sit there and kind of like tell myself like, yo, Luke,
you need to get your stuff together, bro.
Like what's going on right now?
And right after that, well, I probably that probably was like a five minute process thing.
That's from Navy, huh?
Yeah. And then I called my therapist right after that.
And then she told me she was like, OK, well, it sounds like, you know, you had like a panic attack.
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You know, these things happen.
We got a lot on your mind and this, this and that.
And then from that point, she made my visits more frequent.
Yeah, so I can avoid.
Yeah, the attacks are real for sure.
And for me, my trigger was, I guess, that smell.
That's what triggered me.
The smell of the ocean.
Bro, we spent too much time on that boat.
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I know exactly how you feel.
It was too much time.
Like some of the people that we know from work.
I mean, I sort of saw.
See, it's my brother right there.
Yes, sir.
But some of the people that we know from work, like they they've also like told me,
like they've had to go see somebody.
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Yeah.
Yeah, because, man, we spent too much time on that boat.
That's it.
I had to go see somebody.
Bro, 11 months.
Damn near.
I think it was like we think we finished like just before 11.
Ain't no joke, boy.
There ain't no joke that that was a traumatizing experience.
Yeah.
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And the worst part about it is I had to make it.
It probably would have been a lot easier if we was like, you know, hitting ports and getting
off, but it was a COVID deployment.
So one no getting up.
They were just on our ass for no reason.
That's for no reason to dog like let us let us just do our job and shit.
They were just on our ass.
So I feel like that's like an example of we're talking about the different types of trauma.
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I think that's a that's an example of complex trauma, you know, resulting from prolonged
or repeated experiences because like we've been on a boat a couple of times, too.
So that's just engraved in our minds.
And I'm glad you went to go see somebody.
I had to go see somebody to man.
But damn, that's tough, bro.
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So and so depression is also another impact on mental health, like, you know, in trauma.
I was in a dark spot, bro.
Like when you left and I told you, like they could not stop sending me, bro.
I was I was doing I was doing home guard shit while I'm on debt.
I was taking care of two places at the same time.
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Oh, man.
Thinking about it now, we saw I said, we saw we saw real dog.
But now I think for sure, a lot of not only are we talking about trauma, obviously, it's
a lot of stuff that like umbrellas up under for shit, pretty much a lot of things.
All right.
But now that I think about it, bro.
Right.
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When I came back, when we came back from that deployment, bro, and then you, you know, we
got off the boat, bro.
To be honest with you, I wasn't happy, bro.
I'm like, like Russia, like I was not happy.
I think I was I was it was weird.
Like I knew it was that it was it was good that I was back home.
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You know, so I smile and, you know, try to, you know, you know, make it look like I am
happy or whatever.
Yeah.
But for some reason, like I wasn't, I was like, emotionless, bro, like I like a facade
on like a facade on.
You know, I go see my family and seen them and, you know, however long whatever, you
know, they are happy to see you, whatever.
And, you know, I'm smiling back.
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But really, I'm like.
Like, I don't I can't I can't I can't even explain it, bro.
But I was not feeling nothing.
I feel you, bro.
Like it was that was a weird experience for me, bro.
Like straight weird.
Man, I can't like I can't.
I can't like I can I can understand like I can understand from your side.
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Me, me like I'll I had an optimistic view when I got off the boat.
So like I felt like I was OK because I was like, man, I looked at my bank account,
bro.
I'll disclose that I have 40 40 racks.
So I was rich and I was and I was paying rent and electricity.
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I was paying bills.
So I was like, man, this is money.
I'm paid.
I am paid.
So I was I was optimistic.
I was looking forward to what I could do with that money, you know, and
I was thinking I was going to be home, you know.
So when we had came back, I was like, all right, I'm about to I'm about to enjoy San
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Diego because when I came to San Diego, you know, when I checked in, we went straight
to deployment, workups, deployment.
I couldn't even enjoy it.
So I was like, all right, whatever.
Then coming back, I was like, OK, I'm like, I'm about to be like fully in the San
Diego culture.
I'm about to do this.
I'm about to do that.
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Hey, Daniels, we need you to go here.
Hey, Daniels, we need you to go to San Clemente Island.
Hey, we need you here.
We need you there.
I was like, what the fuck?
That's that's when my depression started seeping in.
And so I started having mood disorders.
I was just mad, bro.
I'd be like that.
It's something like you know, everybody moving you around.
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It's like, damn, like you can't even settle down nowhere.
I had a stink face 24 7, bro, like that.
I was just so mad.
I just I just snap on anybody that comes and comes in the office asking for some
bullshit, bro.
They used to come and talk about some, hey, can we get ad hoc for this?
Man, I fucking you know how they be like, oh, we need we need we need this data
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for for this for this worker.
I'm like, all right, here's here's the ad hoc.
Run it and then it'll tell you.
Now, leave me alone.
I got I got work to do.
I'm trying to carry because nobody else would do shit.
I got everybody on my back, bro.
Okay, not literally everyone was on my back and it is what it is.
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But I'm here now.
I don't I don't have the disorders anymore.
Like I just had to eliminate.
I hate to say it.
I just have to forget about the last three, four years of my life.
Like it didn't happen.
Like it was just a bad fever dream.
The Mandela effect.
But you see how you see how big trauma is in mental health because it still affects me
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every time every time I do talk about it, it'll come back.
I'm like, oh, I need to stop talking about it.
So you you never can get rid of it, but you can learn these skills and and not take this
advice that we give out every episode to battle it, you know, because whether you like it
or not, it's a part of your life.
Yeah.
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So it's going to always be there.
So common triggers, trauma can result from various experiences such as accidents, abuse,
violence, natural disasters or witnessing traumatic events.
Like for us, like we we we witnessed traumatic events, like we went through these things,
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had to go through these things.
Accidents.
I know I know car accidents hurt, hurt, you know,
I can't be traumatizing experiences.
I remember my first car accident, but I was like, look at my shit.
I said, fuck, I should have fucked the language.
I remember one of my remember my charger I had my black.
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Yeah, I remember the first time, but I can tell you this story, bro.
So, bro, I went out, bro, and I went out to hang with some some co-workers or whatever
I had met at my other job.
And I was like, all right, let's go out.
All right, cool.
We go out, right.
And, you know, we end up meeting some girls in a club or whatever.
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Right.
And, you know, now it's over with, you know, I don't plan on taking nobody home.
You know, I'm getting I'm kind of faded, bro.
I'm ready to go.
It's time to go.
Right.
Club clothes, you know, one thirty.
And, you know, and so we walking out and I parked at the garage or whatever.
Some of them did, too.
So we walking together.
Look back, you know, the girl that was dancing with me in the club, you know, she followed me.
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I called my name.
I'm like, what up?
Like, you know, all this over with.
Now it's time to go home.
You know, and say, oh, you guys parked at the garage.
We're like, yeah, we parked there, too.
We can work together.
All right.
Cool.
No harm, no foul.
Right.
Go up there, bro.
Right.
I get to my car, whatever.
And we all parked next to each other.
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So a little last minute conversation before we leave.
And I'm like, I'm all right.
I'm ready.
So that everybody up.
All right, y'all, you know, y'all get home safe.
I'm out of here.
Everybody go home, go to sleep.
You know, I don't know what I'm on tomorrow.
You know, just hit me up.
Them type of conversations.
Right.
Yeah.
So I go to my car.
Right.
I get in.
Started up.
Then click.
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I hear a click sound.
I look over.
Shorty thing hopped in my car, bro.
Right.
So I'm looking.
I'm like, what you doing?
She like, oh, I want to go home with you.
I was like, nah, that's aggressive.
I'm like, nah, right.
Yeah.
Because first I wasn't even interested in her like that.
You know, it's dark in the club.
I didn't really see what she even looked like.
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You know, it's not a light zone in a car.
And I'm looking at her like, nah, bro, this ain't it.
Right.
And then, you know, like on top of that, on top of that, she was drunk.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm not about to take no drunk.
Like fellas, don't do that, bro.
Don't take no drunk girl from the club home.
Don't do that.
Right.
Don't mess with drunk girls either.
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So I tell her.
So I tell her, nah.
Right.
And so she get upset.
She started like crying and shit.
And I'm like, you know, no disrespect.
I don't mean it like that.
But, you know, I'm trying to be respectful.
Like you're drunk.
I don't even know you like that.
Why are you trying to come home with me or whatever?
I'm good.
Yeah.
Bro, she smacked me in the face, bro.
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She looked at me, bro, and just smacked me in the face, bro.
Cussed at me and they got out the car and walked out.
So I guess not for being respectful, bro.
You know what I'm saying?
Like that's why you don't.
That's why you don't mess with drunk.
And then let me tell you the traumatizing part.
The traumatizing part is one, I'm mad because I got smacked by a female.
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Right.
Right.
So, you know, my face stinging and shit.
I'm hot driving in the garage, mad as hell.
When I go to a little ticket thing, you know, pay my little ticket fee.
So I get out the garage.
Bro, I curved my wheel, bro, on the little fucking curb that they got in the garage.
Yeah.
And ever since then, bro, I always parked like a foot away from curves, bro.
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Oh, you got curb rash on your.
Yeah.
On my ribs, dawg, because I'm traumatized by curve, bro.
I remember my first curb rash.
I'm like, oh.
All right.
I mean, it's like one of the things you got to apologize to your vehicle.
Like one time, bro, when I had my Chrysler 200,
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I went paying attention in the parking lot.
Right.
And I drove over a speed bump, bro.
And, bro, when I tell you my car, dude, it was spark.
I had to pull over and like apologize to my car because I felt so bad.
I was like, I'm sorry, car.
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You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Bro, potholes are my enemy.
Man, they just make a nasty sound.
They're like anything can be traumatizing, bro.
Bro.
Anything.
So like, I know people go through abuse, man.
Oh, yeah.
So I guess I can disclose this.
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I would say I was involved in a domestic violence on the bad end of it.
I was the one getting beat because I.
You was the victim in the.
Yeah, yeah, I was.
I would say I'm a victim.
I still think about it to this day.
So don't mess with life, skin females.
It is it.
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Please don't say they are different.
Free life skins is they try one of them traumatized.
You say, you know, it's like.
Well, so so my girl right now, she's asking, but she's cool.
But yeah, I was about to say like.
Hey, this should happen.
Two thousand sixteen, bro.
So it took me a while to get over it.
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Oh, damn.
It took me a while, but I still think about it to this day because I'm like, oh, damn.
I was really in my house defenseless.
What happened?
If you don't mind saying.
I told her to get out because I was sick of her bullshit.
She was pissing me off.
I was like, get out.
I'm tired.
Get the fuck out of my house.
Maybe I was wrong for doing that.
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But I just didn't want her.
I just didn't want her in my crib anymore.
I was I was young, too.
I was like 21 years old.
Yeah, I I definitely could have used this podcast back then.
If somebody had a mental health podcast, I definitely could have used it.
Not for sure.
So, yeah, I was 21 years old.
I told her to get the fuck out of my house.
She was like, fine, fuck it.
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I'm calling my cousins, whatever.
They don't pick me up.
So she's just in my crib and she's like, I'm going to turn up the fucking heat.
Turns it up to fucking 80.
I'm pissed.
Why are you fucking touching my thermostat?
Get the fuck out.
You are ruining my life right now.
And so I go try to turn it, turn it back down and she's over here trying
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to fucking strike with me and scratching me and shit.
So sorry, I don't put my hands on women, but I get the fuck off me.
And it carried all the way into the kitchen.
She grabs a fucking beer bottle or can or something hits me upside, starts
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hitting me up, up the head with it, then hits me in the eye with it.
So I go to work with a black eye.
Then chuck it on my fucking TV.
That shit broke.
Then finally her cousins came.
I was like, oh my God, thank you.
Get the fuck out, please.
Damn, it's like, okay, she hits you with the bottle.
That's fucked up.
I know.
But the TV not going to recover.
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It's not the TV do.
It was at the time, it was a brand new 4K TV.
2016, bro.
Them shits costed like eight hundred, nine hundred dollars.
My Samsung 55 inch 4K TV, bro.
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Gone.
Just like that.
And I think about it, too.
I'm like, fuck.
You really, you really got me on this one, bitch.
You really did.
You really got me.
You really got me.
Sorry for the sorry for the language, ma'am, but thinking about it, I'm like, you really got me.
You got me.
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So yeah, I guess that's a that's a that's a good example of abuse.
That shit and violence, too.
That was a very violent experience.
I don't know if you've you've ever went through something like that.
I say that I say that incident with that chick in your car was violent.
No, no.
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Yeah, that was violent.
That was crazy.
That's crazy.
And that one actually really caught me off guard.
It's like, damn, I thought I was being a gentleman and being respectful, you know,
not trying to take advantage of you.
You know what I'm saying?
Hey, I still get the shit in it to stick.
Hey, I guess, Matt, because I don't want to take advantage of you.
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That's crazy.
Bro, I'm so far from that.
It's like you don't know how fortunate we are.
But like another example of like a violent, traumatic experience.
Only in America, these school shootings.
I'm so fortunate that didn't happen in my school.
Yeah, me too.
When I was in school.
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In school, I think we had.
Oh, no, we actually we kind of did, but we kind of did.
I went to this school, this high school called Old Rafford.
It's back in Detroit.
And it was a few instances where they wouldn't let us outside
because it was like gang members outside.
I don't even know why they did that, bro.
Like now that I'm a grown man, bro, I look at it like that shit was so stupid, bro.
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Like, why are you coming to high school trying to beat up some kids?
Like, like, that's so fucking stupid, bro.
You know, they do that in San Diego.
That is the dumbest shit, bro.
Like this you and a way just a group of dudes
walking around trying to beat people up.
Well, that is so stupid.
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Yeah.
My girlfriend would tell me like, like when she was going to school,
like Crips and Crips would just show up to their school to fight the kids.
Neighborhood Crips, bro.
That's so like for what, bro?
That's so dumb, bro.
That's so stupid.
Protecting neighborhoods, man.
Right, bro.
Like, hey.
And then again, it's like, you all wake up, come together and be like,
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let's go up to the school and start jumping some people like, you know what I'm saying?
Corny ass shit because gangs gangs were created to protect the neighborhoods,
not show up at people's high schools and beat up kids that are trying to study.
Grow up.
Like, yeah, at that point, you just grow up.
Well, you got to grow up.
You got to grow up.
That is the dumbest shit.
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No wonder fucking, you know what I'm saying?
All everybody fucking walk around illegal guns and shit.
You know, you got dumb people out here doing stupid shit.
That shit don't jump in people.
That shit don't make no real money, man.
You got to you got to go out there and do some real things, man.
You got to stupid and power your community to like, what the facts, bro?
You're not helping nobody out going to showing up to people's high schools and fighting.
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Oh, God.
It's like you want people to come out to a city, you know, doing good things,
you know what I'm saying?
You know, giving back to the community.
But this is what you're doing to them.
You know what I'm saying?
You're going to beat them up.
Rob moment.
Just like like like what goofy shit.
Yeah.
And then be like, oh, this dude fake.
He don't care about our city no more.
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Like, no, this is what y'all did to me while I was growing up.
Why would I come back and try to put people on and give back?
You know what I'm saying?
No, that's just goofy, bro.
Like all together, people got to grow up.
Like you said.
But natural disasters is another common trigger of traumatic experience.
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And that's a disaster.
Like, say, people went through hurricanes and lost their home.
So any time like a like a like a thunderstorm would come by, you know, that we just think that.
I know a lot of people lost their homes in Hurricane Katrina.
Like when I was living in Georgia.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember that.
Transferred in while I'm in third grade, I had kids transferred in from from New Orleans.
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But like even like the most recent, it was as close to Hurricane Katrina, but just, you know,
in San Diego flooded just like a week ago or something like that.
Yeah.
Like people lost their cars.
You know what I'm saying?
Homes got flooded.
And the thing is, bro, like I had my insurance when I was in the third grade.
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Insurance when I started seeing all those cars on the water, because, you know,
your insurance, I asked you, you know, covers for flooding.
And I'm like, oh, that's a thing.
What is it?
I heard it came out here that day, bro.
People was losing their cars because of flooding, bro.
I'm just saying get the insurance, bro, just because you never know.
But when I when I was living in Virginia and Norfolk, that used to flood all the time.
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So when I would drive to neighborhoods, it'd be it'd be chargers and Camaro's like
parked and ran like not part, but like the flow would carry them into the middle of the street.
Boy, bro, you know, imagine, imagine your charger.
Imagine your hell cab, bro.
Right.
Imagine I come outside, I see it just flowing down the street.
That's not even going to be in your neighborhood no more.
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That's going to flow all the way.
Right.
And I got a tracker on the car, too.
It's going to be like, your car is in national city.
That's a flood all the way to national city.
Right.
Why is my car 30 miles away? What's going on here?
Boy.
Bro, and a bad thing about it is it happened in like and like like bad neighborhoods, you know.
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Yeah.
Like like like neighborhoods that needed support even before the flood.
Oh, you mean like like poor neighborhoods?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Actually, because I'm like national city was one of them.
Yeah.
Like like all those people like trying to keep their homes now just lost their homes.
I'm like, fuck, man.
That's just bad altogether.
I do.
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So I do.
Or witnessing traumatic events like we talked about anytime we see a boat or anytime you
smell that, you know, that seawater.
I'll tell you this right now, bro.
I ain't ready to get on a boat, not even a cruise ship.
I am not ready.
Not yet.
Give me another year or two.
I need more time.
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Oh, God, I need more time.
So, Dr. Sean, going to come on right now and talk about the neurobiological effects.
So was that the brain?
Yeah, the brain, the brain.
I mean, this is a mental health podcast and we are trying to protect our mentals.
So let's let's get into the brain.
Like what what trauma has on your brain?
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So trauma can impact the brain.
Structure and function affecting areas responsible for emotions, memory and stress response.
That makes sense, because when you when you go through like these panic attacks or, you
know, you think about these traumatic experiences like.
You have a mood swing like your emotions, you can't control them.
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You probably get mad out of nowhere.
Like you usually don't get mad.
Like you're a chill person.
All of a sudden you smell this seawater.
Now you're.
You're like, I'm going to go to the bathroom.
Seawater, now you're not sad as shit or mad as hell or something.
Starts affecting your memory.
So like.
That's all you can think about right now.
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Oh, OK, I see what you're saying.
Like literally, you literally cannot escape that thought as soon as you smell the sea.
It's like it triggers it.
A trigger.
Yeah.
Like this like a like a switch got flipped on and that's all that's the only thing that's
going through your mind and stress response.
Like we talked about stress in our episode, but like.
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Man, going through a panic attack like.
It's got to be stressful.
Like it's got to it's got to take a toll on your mental.
Now, facts, bro.
For me, it was my first time, so I didn't really know what was going on.
Like pulling hair type shit.
Yeah, like I was just like, what the fuck is happening?
Why am I shaking like this?
You know, like trying to turn on the radio and you know, my hand is like shaking and shit.
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All of that was new.
I was just like, what is this?
Damn, no.
So, yeah, no, like trauma has a bad effect on people's brains.
So and the bad thing about it is like, like I said, it is a part of your life now.
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So how to move past it?
Like we like we have to talk to people like we have to talk to people about it.
But like when you like going through it, if you have these experiences like it, I'm pretty sure it gets easier.
Like for me, it got easier with time.
Like for me, I just had to get out the military.
I just had to get out.
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No, I feel it, you know, and then everybody, you know, who experienced in trauma out there, you know, I'm saying rather.
You know, I'm saying rather is bothering you every day or it's not, you know, I'm saying just having trauma, bro, is just another reason for you to get up, bro.
You know, I'm saying it's another reason for you to go hard the next day.
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You know, I'm saying because that's life is a fight, bro.
You got to keep you got to keep getting up.
You got to keep battling it, bro.
So don't let it win.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And one of our episodes, we talked about resiliency.
So how can you how can you cope with this trauma?
How can you, you know, live with this trauma?
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Because, like I said, it is a part of your life.
So how are you going to live with it?
Resilience and healing while trauma can have lasting effects because it will.
Individuals can also exhibit resilience and embark on a journey of healing, you know, through therapy, support network networks and coping strategies.
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So.
You have to go see somebody like we had to go see somebody, bro.
Mm hmm.
Like I had I had to go talk to somebody like I had a therapist and there's no shame in it.
I know shame.
Because I am like it's only shame if you're not taking care of yourself because the man always like the first thing a man has to do is take care of his own.
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And what is what is your own your mental health?
You cannot you cannot put that off.
You can't especially if you going out, you know, trying to hit goals and all of this type of whatever it is that you want to do in life.
Like you got to make sure that you're you're good so you can go and do those things.
You know what I'm saying?
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It's like, you know, you want to get in your car and go to Disneyland.
Right.
But something wrong with your engine.
So how are you going to get there?
You got to go out to get this fixed.
Right.
Then go, you know, I'm saying this.
No, we need maintenance just like every other thing.
You know.
Yeah.
Everybody needs periodic maintenance.
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Exactly.
And like like we said in all of our episodes, we you know, humans cannot go through this world alone.
We need support networks.
You need your family.
You need your friends.
You need people to talk to like every day.
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And, you know, we talked about in our last episode about coping.
You need you need like you need to find these things that you can cope with like you need you need to find something that'll bring you peace.
Like you're coping is like you like cars.
So that's what that's what you're always around.
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I could go for a drive and, you know, and I'd be good after that.
Me, I like tech.
I like to play around on my computer.
I like to surf the web for some shit.
That's me.
I like to play my games.
I like to nerd out a little bit.
That's that's my shit.
So that's how I cope.
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And so, you know, we're all different.
You know, we all we all got our ways.
You know, a lot of us like to like to run probably bike.
You know, everyone likes cars and shit.
So, yeah, you got to you got to find things that you can find peace within and going, you know, having these traumatic experiences.
You like it's it's going to be a part of your life.
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So you just got to exhibit resilience and heal.
That's that's what this is all about.
The healing never stops.
It does.
It's always something that you got to you got to fix it.
Always always something you go ahead and fix.
So I'm going to go into our next little topic, prevention and education.
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So raising awareness about trauma, which we're trying to do right now, its effects and available resources is vital for prevention and early intervention in mental health.
So you can prevent these, you know, these traumatic experiences.
How?
Listen to our stories, you know, listen to people's experiences when they talk, you know, because we all go, you know, we all we all have different paths to go.
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We all we all have different paths in life.
But, you know, we all go through the same things as well.
We all go to work.
We all study.
We all have to wake up in the morning or we all have to wake up later in the afternoon.
Like we all go through things, the same things in life.
So you like stories you can relate to.
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Like I know a lot of military guys can relate to our stories.
No, big facts. Yeah. And maybe we can relate to the story.
The process to recovering is always similar.
As people who have been through trauma and, you know, and, you know, made it to that healing process.
The healing process is usually always the same.
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But it's got to be on the people to listen.
Yeah.
In fact, if you need help trying to recover from something, just listen to people's stories.
I promise you, bro, is people who didn't probably you think your trauma is bad.
It's people who didn't been through some movie type stuff.
So fucked up shit like there's some like I hate to say it, but there are some fucked up people in this world.
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Yeah. Mentally, mentally like that shit.
Just think about just think about it now.
Like, there's really some fucked up people and like people go to go to a very traumatic experiences, man.
I can't I can't even imagine what it's like being, you know, I hate to say it, but this is a mental health podcast like rape and the shit like I was just about to say that, bro.
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I swear to God, it's about going to say it's sexual assault, sexual assault, domestic abuse.
I can't violence, sexual assault.
Bro, I cannot I can't get down with that.
I can't, bro. I cannot, bro.
Like, especially if it's like it don't even matter if you underage or of age or not, bro.
It's all just the worst, bro.
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Honestly, bro, if it was up to me, bro, like far as these laws, that's definitely bro.
No, no. But before you die, you back to experience exactly what you did to this person.
And then we're going to get like because Luke don't play that sexual assault is zero tolerance, bro.
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Period. Like straight up.
I can't I I can't even talk about that one, bro.
I can't. I can't. I hate that so much, bro.
No, bro. You you take advantage of someone against their will.
That is the worst, bro. Even when, you know, they stop putting it in movies or whatever, you know, because people are complaining about it.
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Even when I saw it in a movie, bro, it was like I was seeing it for real, because I cannot do the sexual assault.
Like there is no justification for that.
Like you need to die.
Like, yeah, you need to be killed.
The worst imaginable pain possible, so unimaginable like that shit will like scar you the way that you scored that person.
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Fact and worse like you need to you need to experience a tenfold.
I hate that shit so much, bro. I do, too.
Even the word, I don't even say the word. I say our word.
That's how I say it. Like even the word, bro, it pisses me off.
It was tough for me to say. I know.
I know, bro. Yeah, yeah. I can tell by the way you said it was like you don't want to say that word.
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It had to be said, though, bro.
Like, unfortunately, it's a part of life. It's such a nasty part of life.
It is, bro.
And people go through it, bro.
Like people actually go through it and that shit just makes me so sad, man.
Like I can't I can't even wrap my head around it.
Like the people that go through it.
But we're here like we, you know, we have to talk about it.
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So that's the only way to prevent things like you have to talk about it.
So, you know, how do you how do you prevent it?
Women, please get yourself pepper spray something.
Defend yourself anyway. Watch who around you.
Please defend yourself and do the buddy system.
Buddy system.
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This topic, just mainly for the ladies, because guys, we got to worry about that type of, you know, going outside late at night or walking late at night.
For the most part, we ain't got to we probably are worried about getting robbed or some or maybe at the mouth by a gang or something.
But we ain't got to worry about sexual assault. Yeah.
The buddy system applies to everyone, but especially female, especially female.
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Listen to this, please.
Definitely like, you know, if it's late, you need to go somewhere.
You know what I'm saying? Do that.
What we call it, the O.R.M.
Operational Risk Management. Exactly right.
Where is you is where you going at this time of day?
Is the risk worth it? Right.
Is this something you have to do right now at this time of day?
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And if so, right, if you got somebody, maybe you got a man.
Right. Because nine out of ten, that man is not going to let you go by yourself anyway.
Right. But if he decided to do tell him, hey, come with me or you got your friend.
You know, you might come in with me. Right.
Do not be going out there at night by yourself.
Right. Don't do it.
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No, for real. Oh, since you brought out brought up operational risk management, there is that step.
You know, you got to identify the risk, assess it.
Mm hmm. What was the you got to make a risk of decisions?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
That's I think that falls into pretty much weighing it out.
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Like is right.
This is what you risk in is what you risk in for risk versus reward risk versus reward.
Is it worth it? Right.
Mm hmm. Nine out of ten is not something late at night.
Nine out of ten is not worth it.
There's some creeps out here. For sure.
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It's some creeps. Definitely.
And watch creepier. They are only getting creepier, bro.
For sure. For sure.
For sure. Protect yourself. Like he said, if you got mace carried on you, maybe a taser or something, you know, just always keep your head on the swivel, man.
Yeah. Make sure you are good, please. Yeah. Have some sense. You know, think.
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Definitely think. You know what I'm saying?
Let somebody know where you at or, you know, where you going.
You know, it's a cold world, man, especially at night.
It is, man. Especially at night.
So like a lot of young people, like I hear it a lot. They just don't care, man.
Like you got to think you have you have to show some care.
You don't care until something happens.
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Yeah. Then then you then you're definitely going to care. Now you care. Yeah. Now you got a traumatic experience.
That's right. That's our word, bro.
Boy, take care of yourself, please.
No, so that, you know, this is just us trying to prevent it, but we have with it at all.
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We have to talk about it.
So that's us trying to talk about traumatic experiences before they could happen to you.
Think, think about it.
You know, smart enough. But what you know, how can you avoid other traumatic experiences?
In fact, basic just do the do the way, do the way and bro, it's the risk versus the reward.
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Is it worth it?
Wait out, man. We. Oh, shit.
I think we are. So I did 47. Yeah.
I'm making good time. That's a lot. It's a lot to talk about trauma.
Mm hmm. All right. So going deeper into trauma, into treating trauma, holistic approaches,
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treating trauma often involves a holistic approach, you know, addressing both the psychological and physical aspects of an individual's well-being.
So treating trauma. So like I said, you have to talk about it.
Yeah. Like people don't know what you're going to unless you talk about it.
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So, I mean, you like you have to see a therapist and you have you have to be willing to open open up.
No, for sure. Because you definitely because that's one of the things where it's like.
I think we address this plenty of times, but different ways like how we talk about, you know,
that cat blowing up because you want to hold something in it up, bottling it up.
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Yeah. Definitely try to avoid that the best you can.
You know, because I think for people who does.
Is that a type of coping by the bottom?
It's a bad example of coping. I got bad.
It's such a bad example of coping because you're not really coping with it.
It's not like the problem is still there. You just trying to bury it.
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And it's only getting bigger. Yeah, it's only getting bigger. Exactly.
And then I think for people who do do that, it's probably one of those things where they're not comfortable,
you know, talking about their issues. And it'd be like that.
You know, that's that's OK, because maybe you haven't.
Now, let's just say maybe you haven't ran into somebody where you feel comfortable enough to do that or whatever.
And maybe you ain't got nobody who make you feel that comfortable or whatever.
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But like I said, it was it depending on the situation is really bad.
You know, you can call nine eight eight.
You know, they don't care who you are or what you've been through.
You know, and they're going to get you through whatever it is. Right.
Or like you like trying to keep saying, you know, it's people as people who are who profession is this, you know, therapist.
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This is their profession. They studied this. You know, I'm saying they had to go through a whole tons of, you know,
bunches of, you know, scenarios, I'm sure. So you can definitely reach out to them and let them open up your mind and and help you recover.
So, yeah. So talking about care, you know, mental health professionals emphasize trauma informed care,
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creating a safe and supportive environment that recognizes the prevalence and impact of trauma.
So like these professionals are prepared like they've studied this.
Yeah. You know, they live for this, you know, I hate to say it, but they do live for it.
They didn't study this. They grow.
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You know, I'm saying just a bunch of different sciences pretty much right now,
what they learn from people who experience what you went through.
So don't expect it to be new. There's something whatever you're going through.
Somebody has went through it and they learned about it and they learn how to deal with it.
These professionals could also give you like different strategies, you know, to cope with it.
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But it's so important to get the professional help with trauma.
It's so important to get professional help because they do induce panic attacks.
Shit like you like you go through it and it really affects your whole mood.
Like you can't even live a you can't even live a perfect life.
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Facts, bro. And the panic attack for me, bro, is a prime example of just me
just trying to suppress some shit for so long that was bothering me.
And I chose to not acknowledge it for so long.
Then what happened? You know, that cat blew off and I had a panic attack while I was driving.
That's scary. Like why are you driving?
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Like you can't you can't even do like daily life functions because that shit will just happen out of nowhere.
And all it all all in these are just a flip a flip of a switch just like that, bro.
Yeah, just like that. That's tough, man.
That's tough. That's and I'm glad I'm glad you went to go get the help, man.
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No, for sure. I'm glad, too, because she taught me a different way.
Everybody's different. You know, the last thing I expected her, I thought I was going to be in there talking or whatever, but I wasn't talking.
I had a notebook and for the strategy she gave me was to write instead of talk.
So when I wrote, I was able to just write everything in my mind, you know, and you know, and I was able to recover from that.
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So that yeah, that's that is a way like journal it out.
Get yourself a diary like we see it. We've seen it on TV.
I'm pretty I'm pretty sure all of us like not all of us, a lot of us have diaries, but it's a good thing to have.
Try it. Try it out. Yeah, it's literally like.
Taking with me and putting it on a paper, right? Taking it out to my you put it on a paper.
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Let me get this on my head. We write it down. Yeah, that's how to hit.
Talk to someone you can trust to, you know, if you if you don't if you don't like writing, you don't have, you know, pencil paper, whatever.
Talk it out. Call your mom. Please call your mom or grandma.
Well, you still got her or auntie somebody.
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Yeah, not to call. Call call call someone in your family like a female.
Yeah, they do tend to be way better listeners and a lot more understand.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, from my experience. Yeah.
When it comes to things on your mind and it's like emotional, I would definitely price it and talk to like a woman that I trust.
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You know what I'm saying? My therapist was a woman and she did amazing.
She was breaking down everything I was saying. Like it was crazy. Yeah.
Yeah, they listened. They listened, bro. They break that shit down. She broke it.
He didn't did he beat it. Yeah. Shout out to women, bro.
Yeah, for sure. Man, talk. But really talk to your mom because no one in this world loves you more than your mom.
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That's a fact. Talk to your mom. Nobody else loves you more in this world than your mom.
And now I think about it, you know, for people who bottle and stuff up, you know, if you still got your mama in your life, you know,
she would definitely recognize that you bottle or something only because she know you that much.
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You know, or whoever, you know, pretty much raised you. Yeah.
No, for sure. I mean, and if you can't talk to your mom, like talk to your dad, too.
I'll talk to my dad. Like, I'm glad I'm glad we're on a talking relationship again.
And like, talk to your pops. Talk. Talk. Talk to your parents. For sure, man.
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I confide in them. And that's your blood. Reaching out and talking to somebody is all positive.
Just progression, bro. A little by little. It's progress.
Progression. That's taken. Take it. Take a little step day after day, one step at a time.
Like healing is a process. It is. It don't happen like this. Healing is a process.
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We go. We try different strategies. We try to we try everything we can to achieve that inner peace.
So healing is a process. It's a lifelong process. Like you heal every day.
And we're still healing, too. All right, everyone.
That's that's trauma. That's all we got to say about it.
There is there is a lot to say about trauma. It is because trauma pretty much like.
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The top dog when it comes to mental health and then everything else is like all up under like little branches.
When we talk about stress and anxiety, all all of that falls under trauma.
The big tree of trauma. Exactly. And with as many branches. Exactly.
It trauma is big. And the best way to address it is mental.
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Like you have to see a professional. No facts. Yeah.
And there are ways to prevent trauma, too. You got to listen to people's traumatic experiences like.
I had to bring it up again, but like rape is a thing and it happens.
And you have to be educated on stuff like that.
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And and natural disasters, too, like what can happen?
Like we live in San Diego, like California, like it was flooding flooded.
California was flooded. Sonny San Diego, where it doesn't rain.
But crap, it was a flood in here, bro. Educate yourself on these stuff because it happens.
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It literally happens. Mm hmm.
So there are ways to prevent there are ways to prevent traumatic experiences from happening.
And there are ways to cope with it, too.
You know, you have resilience, you have to exhibit resilience, you have like you go like it.
Like I said, it is a part of your life, so you have to make it.
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Like you have to make it yours. Like it's your experience.
So take advantage of yourself, you know, take care of yourself.
You need to see a therapy therapist, go see a therapist.
You don't have any friends, you don't have a support network.
Build one. Start with us for show.
Definitely. And for anybody who is currently going through something traumatic and, you know, your mental is under attack, bro.
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I promise you it's going to be hard, you know, trying to fight it every day and, you know, making these little progressive little steps,
whether it's reaching out to somebody or, you know, find you a professional to help you deal with whatever experience you don't want through.
But I promise you, bro, as hard as it's going to be, you will come out like these, bro.
Like these, bro. Strong. Strong. Strong.
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For real. You have to build the resilience. You got to come out strong.
Definitely. But that's all we got to say about it. Appreciate y'all.
Appreciate y'all watching. And we are out of here. See y'all next week.
Are we out yet? Oh, yeah. Bye.
Oh shit, what's good everyone? What up? This is the healing club podcast. I am Sean and
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I'm here with my co-host Luke the greatest man. You already know what it is. Yes, sir.
And if you don't know, well, now you know. All right, but we are on episode 14, episode
14, but I never thought we will make it this far. I never thought we'll make it this far.
Thank you for everyone that supported us and watched what we've been doing. It really means
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a lot and all the great comments that we received from you great folks. It pushes us to keep
on making these episodes. And it really did. And I'm glad I like, I do not regret this.
I'm like, this is an accomplishment for us. Like for me personally, I can't believe I
made it to episode 14. I'm just glad we did this because we talked about it for a minute.
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Yeah. You know, and then we just say, Hey, let's just do it, bro. And look at us now.
14 deep, 14 deep. We've really made it this far. And thank you for everyone that's watched
us. And for once that just started, thank you for being here and we won't disappoint
you. We are, we are here on this healing journey with y'all healing. Don't stop. So before we
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begin, I want to reach out to those that are, that are going through unimaginable, unimaginable
pain, you know, like just, just feels like giving up right now. I'm telling you right
now, the mental wars, the mental wars, like you feel like, like you, like you just don't
want to see tomorrow. I want to reach out to y'all real quick. If y'all are going through
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that kind of pain, reach out, reach out to somebody, reach out to us, reach out. Like
there was a lot of people that love you, man. Like all the episodes that we've, we've talked
about, you know, 8,000 people on, I mean, 8 billion people on this world, like everybody
special, everyone had love. So reach out to somebody if you're going through that pain.
But if you, if you feel like you have nobody, there is always that hotline out there. 988
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is the number. So make sure, make sure you know, you reach out to them. Don't, don't
give up. Don't give up on life.
Nah, for sure, man. And just like we always say, 988, everything is confidential. You
know, you ain't got to worry about your business getting put out there. Definitely bro. If
you know, you going through something like that and you know, you got a mental battle
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going on and you don't feel like there's no way out, hit up that number bro.
988, you can call or text that number. It got shorter. What used to be 1-800-whatever-whatever-whatever.
Yeah, 2-7 something. Yeah, it was. It was. Yeah.
Yeah. So yeah, 988 is so simple. Reach out to them. Please reach out to us. Well, shoot,
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our comments are always open. You can hit us up on Instagram, anywhere. You see us anywhere?
Nah, for sure, man. Send a message.
For real. But today we are going to talk about trauma. And I know, sorry, sorry, sorry, Luke.
I know, I know Detroit fans are going through a lot of trauma right now for, you know.
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Yes. Yeah, man.
A little tough.
That championship game was just something, dude. It was honestly like a roller coaster,
like we going up, we going up, you know, because, you know, the first half we was killing it,
bro. Yeah.
And then that drop happened and we was not ready for it. But I don't know what it was
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or what went on in the locker room during that halftime, but they came out, bro. We
wasn't catching nothing. We couldn't move the ball. Like it was just like bad luck,
bro. Because a lot of that 49er stuff was luck, bro, like that deep tip pass, the DB
bro, he did what he was supposed to do, right? He played good defense, you know, he didn't
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catch the ball. Obviously that's why he on defense because he can't catch it. Right.
Yeah. And then it hit off the helmet and what's the name? I you caught it, caught the tip,
bro. That. Yeah, no, it was a lot of that ain't the most luckiest. Like, you know,
everybody was talking about NFL scripted and this, this and that you can't script that, bro.
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Yeah. That play you can't script that.
It was a lot of bullshit. And a lot of people were saying, oh, why didn't y'all kick? Y'all
could have, y'all could have had six. Well, that ain't, I don't know, that ain't y'all style.
No, it's not. Y'all never kicked.
Yeah. The Lions believe in them. So you see how many times they went for it on fourth down. So
and. Hey, that's how y'all made it that far, though.
Nah, for sure. They believe in their players. You know, that's always a positive thing.
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Live on the fourth and die by the fourth.
Oh, facts facts facts, because it was one for the version we didn't get that little key city.
Yeah. No, no. Yeah, that last one died. Yeah. That's well said. Well said.
You live by the fourth and you die by the fourth. But, you know, us Falcons fans can't talk too much.
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We always go, you know, we always go through traumatizing experiences.
Yeah. Uniforms. Yeah. Yeah. That's a cool uniform.
At least at least we got that. Yeah. Y'all look crispy.
Oh, I like when I like when we pull out the throwbacks.
Out of throwbacks. Got a classic. Yeah, the class one. They'd be all black, too.
That's a crispy. But all right, let's get into trauma.
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So what is trauma? So trauma refers to an emotional or a psychological response to an event or a series
of events that are distressing or harmful, you know, often exceeding a person's ability to cope.
So, yeah, trauma trauma is serious. Like if it if it defeats your coping techniques,
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then we then that trauma has to be, you know, it has it has to be assessed.
So there's different types of trauma. Trauma can be categorized into different types,
including acute trauma resulting acute trauma results resulting from a single incident
and complex trauma resulting from prolonged or repeated experiences.
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I didn't know there's that many different types of trauma.
It's a lot of time. Trauma is just trauma.
Yeah, like I said, yeah, like like blunt force trauma.
Yeah, I thought trauma was just trauma. Yeah, you know, no matter, you know,
where you weigh it in, it was always trauma to me. So that's something new. I just like
dog. I'm just surprised. Like it it just like trauma takes away your ability to cope that.
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So that's not that's just scary.
No, it is because I feel like coping is like in your in your peaceful state.
Yeah, because I feel like when that ability is gone, now it's like you just outside exposed,
just defenseless, like it's nothing you can do. No, that's that's so scary.
Like when you're defenseless, like as a man to like you're exposed, weak.
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So why why is why is why are we talking about trauma on a mental health podcast?
So we're going to I want to talk about the impact on mental health with trauma.
So trauma can have profound effects on mental health, leading to conditions like PTSD,
anxiety disorders, depression and other mood disorders. So trauma, trauma.
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I didn't even think about that. Like trauma goes into PTSD, like trauma,
trauma is in every every like aspect of a negative lifestyle.
So when you think about like like PTSD, like we think about, you know,
these soldiers that go through these things.
And now that I think about it, remember, what was that? What was that movie? American Sniper?
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What? Chris Kyle? Yeah.
And you know how he died? You know, he died helping out.
Yeah, he also had PTSD as well.
But you see how PTSD can affect like someone's mental.
Like he was just out there helping somebody and some some guy with PTSD
probably saw him as an enemy or something. That's crazy.
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Like how trauma can just take a hold of your mental and your and your and your actions.
It pretty much like on a severe case, far as trauma, with that situation, I feel like since
his trauma was so severe, it kind of had that power over him to like alter his reality.
Like like how you said, you know, one day he see him, you know, he Chris Kyle, he had to he helping
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me out the next day. You like, you know, he one of them guys that use at war against, you know what I mean?
Yeah. Yeah. Like trauma, trauma, like that, that shit really takes control of you.
Yeah. Like you don't have you don't have like control your mental.
Mm hmm. Like that meant like that man was just trying to help you out.
But like that that's what PTSD can do.
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No, big facts and then anxiety disorders.
Man, I don't know what an anxiety attack is like, man, but I see it like they like they're hyperventilating
and crying like you like you think if you're going to die.
But I actually had one of those before anxiety, anxiety or I don't know if it was anxiety tech or panic attack.
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I feel like I mean, they're probably different, but sure they.
Very similar. But for me, bro, it was it was weird. I didn't even know I was having that attack.
I had to call my therapist. So I was in the car and I was driving and I forgot where I was at.
I think I was like by the harbor or somewhere near downtown San Diego.
And bro, I had my windows down and all I was smelling, bro, was like the ocean, bro.
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You know, like that strong smell of the ocean, bro.
And I just kind of went to the ocean and I was like, man, I'm going to go to the ocean.
Bro, and I just kind of went stiff, bro.
Like I had to pull over, bro. I was like breathing extra hard, bro.
My eyes was like, like it felt like I was starting to see like little twinkles, like little stars and stuff.
I was getting really hot, bro.
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I just really had to sit there and kind of like tell myself like, yo, Luke,
you need to get your stuff together, bro.
Like what's going on right now?
And right after that, well, I probably that probably was like a five minute process thing.
That's from Navy, huh?
Yeah. And then I called my therapist right after that.
And then she told me she was like, OK, well, it sounds like, you know, you had like a panic attack.
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You know, these things happen.
We got a lot on your mind and this, this and that.
And then from that point, she made my visits more frequent.
Yeah, so I can avoid.
Yeah, the attacks are real for sure.
And for me, my trigger was, I guess, that smell.
That's what triggered me.
The smell of the ocean.
Bro, we spent too much time on that boat.
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I know exactly how you feel.
It was too much time.
Like some of the people that we know from work.
I mean, I sort of saw.
See, it's my brother right there.
Yes, sir.
But some of the people that we know from work, like they they've also like told me,
like they've had to go see somebody.
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Yeah.
Yeah, because, man, we spent too much time on that boat.
That's it.
I had to go see somebody.
Bro, 11 months.
Damn near.
I think it was like we think we finished like just before 11.
Ain't no joke, boy.
There ain't no joke that that was a traumatizing experience.
Yeah.
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And the worst part about it is I had to make it.
It probably would have been a lot easier if we was like, you know, hitting ports and getting
off, but it was a COVID deployment.
So one no getting up.
They were just on our ass for no reason.
That's for no reason to dog like let us let us just do our job and shit.
They were just on our ass.
So I feel like that's like an example of we're talking about the different types of trauma.
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I think that's a that's an example of complex trauma, you know, resulting from prolonged
or repeated experiences because like we've been on a boat a couple of times, too.
So that's just engraved in our minds.
And I'm glad you went to go see somebody.
I had to go see somebody to man.
But damn, that's tough, bro.
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So and so depression is also another impact on mental health, like, you know, in trauma.
I was in a dark spot, bro.
Like when you left and I told you, like they could not stop sending me, bro.
I was I was doing I was doing home guard shit while I'm on debt.
I was taking care of two places at the same time.
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Oh, man.
Thinking about it now, we saw I said, we saw we saw real dog.
But now I think for sure, a lot of not only are we talking about trauma, obviously, it's
a lot of stuff that like umbrellas up under for shit, pretty much a lot of things.
All right.
But now that I think about it, bro.
Right.
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When I came back, when we came back from that deployment, bro, and then you, you know, we
got off the boat, bro.
To be honest with you, I wasn't happy, bro.
I'm like, like Russia, like I was not happy.
I think I was I was it was weird.
Like I knew it was that it was it was good that I was back home.
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You know, so I smile and, you know, try to, you know, you know, make it look like I am
happy or whatever.
Yeah.
But for some reason, like I wasn't, I was like, emotionless, bro, like I like a facade
on like a facade on.
You know, I go see my family and seen them and, you know, however long whatever, you
know, they are happy to see you, whatever.
And, you know, I'm smiling back.
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But really, I'm like.
Like, I don't I can't I can't I can't even explain it, bro.
But I was not feeling nothing.
I feel you, bro.
Like it was that was a weird experience for me, bro.
Like straight weird.
Man, I can't like I can't.
I can't like I can I can understand like I can understand from your side.
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Me, me like I'll I had an optimistic view when I got off the boat.
So like I felt like I was OK because I was like, man, I looked at my bank account,
bro.
I'll disclose that I have 40 40 racks.
So I was rich and I was and I was paying rent and electricity.
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I was paying bills.
So I was like, man, this is money.
I'm paid.
I am paid.
So I was I was optimistic.
I was looking forward to what I could do with that money, you know, and
I was thinking I was going to be home, you know.
So when we had came back, I was like, all right, I'm about to I'm about to enjoy San
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Diego because when I came to San Diego, you know, when I checked in, we went straight
to deployment, workups, deployment.
I couldn't even enjoy it.
So I was like, all right, whatever.
Then coming back, I was like, OK, I'm like, I'm about to be like fully in the San
Diego culture.
I'm about to do this.
I'm about to do that.
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Hey, Daniels, we need you to go here.
Hey, Daniels, we need you to go to San Clemente Island.
Hey, we need you here.
We need you there.
I was like, what the fuck?
That's that's when my depression started seeping in.
And so I started having mood disorders.
I was just mad, bro.
I'd be like that.
It's something like you know, everybody moving you around.
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It's like, damn, like you can't even settle down nowhere.
I had a stink face 24 7, bro, like that.
I was just so mad.
I just I just snap on anybody that comes and comes in the office asking for some
bullshit, bro.
They used to come and talk about some, hey, can we get ad hoc for this?
Man, I fucking you know how they be like, oh, we need we need we need this data
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for for this for this worker.
I'm like, all right, here's here's the ad hoc.
Run it and then it'll tell you.
Now, leave me alone.
I got I got work to do.
I'm trying to carry because nobody else would do shit.
I got everybody on my back, bro.
Okay, not literally everyone was on my back and it is what it is.
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But I'm here now.
I don't I don't have the disorders anymore.
Like I just had to eliminate.
I hate to say it.
I just have to forget about the last three, four years of my life.
Like it didn't happen.
Like it was just a bad fever dream.
The Mandela effect.
But you see how you see how big trauma is in mental health because it still affects me
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every time every time I do talk about it, it'll come back.
I'm like, oh, I need to stop talking about it.
So you you never can get rid of it, but you can learn these skills and and not take this
advice that we give out every episode to battle it, you know, because whether you like it
or not, it's a part of your life.
Yeah.
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So it's going to always be there.
So common triggers, trauma can result from various experiences such as accidents, abuse,
violence, natural disasters or witnessing traumatic events.
Like for us, like we we we witnessed traumatic events, like we went through these things,
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had to go through these things.
Accidents.
I know I know car accidents hurt, hurt, you know,
I can't be traumatizing experiences.
I remember my first car accident, but I was like, look at my shit.
I said, fuck, I should have fucked the language.
I remember one of my remember my charger I had my black.
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Yeah, I remember the first time, but I can tell you this story, bro.
So, bro, I went out, bro, and I went out to hang with some some co-workers or whatever
I had met at my other job.
And I was like, all right, let's go out.
All right, cool.
We go out, right.
And, you know, we end up meeting some girls in a club or whatever.
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Right.
And, you know, now it's over with, you know, I don't plan on taking nobody home.
You know, I'm getting I'm kind of faded, bro.
I'm ready to go.
It's time to go.
Right.
Club clothes, you know, one thirty.
And, you know, and so we walking out and I parked at the garage or whatever.
Some of them did, too.
So we walking together.
Look back, you know, the girl that was dancing with me in the club, you know, she followed me.
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I called my name.
I'm like, what up?
Like, you know, all this over with.
Now it's time to go home.
You know, and say, oh, you guys parked at the garage.
We're like, yeah, we parked there, too.
We can work together.
All right.
Cool.
No harm, no foul.
Right.
Go up there, bro.
Right.
I get to my car, whatever.
And we all parked next to each other.
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So a little last minute conversation before we leave.
And I'm like, I'm all right.
I'm ready.
So that everybody up.
All right, y'all, you know, y'all get home safe.
I'm out of here.
Everybody go home, go to sleep.
You know, I don't know what I'm on tomorrow.
You know, just hit me up.
Them type of conversations.
Right.
Yeah.
So I go to my car.
Right.
I get in.
Started up.
Then click.
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I hear a click sound.
I look over.
Shorty thing hopped in my car, bro.
Right.
So I'm looking.
I'm like, what you doing?
She like, oh, I want to go home with you.
I was like, nah, that's aggressive.
I'm like, nah, right.
Yeah.
Because first I wasn't even interested in her like that.
You know, it's dark in the club.
I didn't really see what she even looked like.
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You know, it's not a light zone in a car.
And I'm looking at her like, nah, bro, this ain't it.
Right.
And then, you know, like on top of that, on top of that, she was drunk.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm not about to take no drunk.
Like fellas, don't do that, bro.
Don't take no drunk girl from the club home.
Don't do that.
Right.
Don't mess with drunk girls either.
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So I tell her.
So I tell her, nah.
Right.
And so she get upset.
She started like crying and shit.
And I'm like, you know, no disrespect.
I don't mean it like that.
But, you know, I'm trying to be respectful.
Like you're drunk.
I don't even know you like that.
Why are you trying to come home with me or whatever?
I'm good.
Yeah.
Bro, she smacked me in the face, bro.
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She looked at me, bro, and just smacked me in the face, bro.
Cussed at me and they got out the car and walked out.
So I guess not for being respectful, bro.
You know what I'm saying?
Like that's why you don't.
That's why you don't mess with drunk.
And then let me tell you the traumatizing part.
The traumatizing part is one, I'm mad because I got smacked by a female.
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Right.
Right.
So, you know, my face stinging and shit.
I'm hot driving in the garage, mad as hell.
When I go to a little ticket thing, you know, pay my little ticket fee.
So I get out the garage.
Bro, I curved my wheel, bro, on the little fucking curb that they got in the garage.
Yeah.
And ever since then, bro, I always parked like a foot away from curves, bro.
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Oh, you got curb rash on your.
Yeah.
On my ribs, dawg, because I'm traumatized by curve, bro.
I remember my first curb rash.
I'm like, oh.
All right.
I mean, it's like one of the things you got to apologize to your vehicle.
Like one time, bro, when I had my Chrysler 200,
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I went paying attention in the parking lot.
Right.
And I drove over a speed bump, bro.
And, bro, when I tell you my car, dude, it was spark.
I had to pull over and like apologize to my car because I felt so bad.
I was like, I'm sorry, car.
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You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Bro, potholes are my enemy.
Man, they just make a nasty sound.
They're like anything can be traumatizing, bro.
Bro.
Anything.
So like, I know people go through abuse, man.
Oh, yeah.
So I guess I can disclose this.
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I would say I was involved in a domestic violence on the bad end of it.
I was the one getting beat because I.
You was the victim in the.
Yeah, yeah, I was.
I would say I'm a victim.
I still think about it to this day.
So don't mess with life, skin females.
It is it.
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Please don't say they are different.
Free life skins is they try one of them traumatized.
You say, you know, it's like.
Well, so so my girl right now, she's asking, but she's cool.
But yeah, I was about to say like.
Hey, this should happen.
Two thousand sixteen, bro.
So it took me a while to get over it.
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Oh, damn.
It took me a while, but I still think about it to this day because I'm like, oh, damn.
I was really in my house defenseless.
What happened?
If you don't mind saying.
I told her to get out because I was sick of her bullshit.
She was pissing me off.
I was like, get out.
I'm tired.
Get the fuck out of my house.
Maybe I was wrong for doing that.
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But I just didn't want her.
I just didn't want her in my crib anymore.
I was I was young, too.
I was like 21 years old.
Yeah, I I definitely could have used this podcast back then.
If somebody had a mental health podcast, I definitely could have used it.
Not for sure.
So, yeah, I was 21 years old.
I told her to get the fuck out of my house.
She was like, fine, fuck it.
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I'm calling my cousins, whatever.
They don't pick me up.
So she's just in my crib and she's like, I'm going to turn up the fucking heat.
Turns it up to fucking 80.
I'm pissed.
Why are you fucking touching my thermostat?
Get the fuck out.
You are ruining my life right now.
And so I go try to turn it, turn it back down and she's over here trying
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to fucking strike with me and scratching me and shit.
So sorry, I don't put my hands on women, but I get the fuck off me.
And it carried all the way into the kitchen.
She grabs a fucking beer bottle or can or something hits me upside, starts
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hitting me up, up the head with it, then hits me in the eye with it.
So I go to work with a black eye.
Then chuck it on my fucking TV.
That shit broke.
Then finally her cousins came.
I was like, oh my God, thank you.
Get the fuck out, please.
Damn, it's like, okay, she hits you with the bottle.
That's fucked up.
I know.
But the TV not going to recover.
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It's not the TV do.
It was at the time, it was a brand new 4K TV.
2016, bro.
Them shits costed like eight hundred, nine hundred dollars.
My Samsung 55 inch 4K TV, bro.
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Gone.
Just like that.
And I think about it, too.
I'm like, fuck.
You really, you really got me on this one, bitch.
You really did.
You really got me.
You really got me.
Sorry for the sorry for the language, ma'am, but thinking about it, I'm like, you really got me.
You got me.
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So yeah, I guess that's a that's a that's a good example of abuse.
That shit and violence, too.
That was a very violent experience.
I don't know if you've you've ever went through something like that.
I say that I say that incident with that chick in your car was violent.
No, no.
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Yeah, that was violent.
That was crazy.
That's crazy.
And that one actually really caught me off guard.
It's like, damn, I thought I was being a gentleman and being respectful, you know,
not trying to take advantage of you.
You know what I'm saying?
Hey, I still get the shit in it to stick.
Hey, I guess, Matt, because I don't want to take advantage of you.
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That's crazy.
Bro, I'm so far from that.
It's like you don't know how fortunate we are.
But like another example of like a violent, traumatic experience.
Only in America, these school shootings.
I'm so fortunate that didn't happen in my school.
Yeah, me too.
When I was in school.
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In school, I think we had.
Oh, no, we actually we kind of did, but we kind of did.
I went to this school, this high school called Old Rafford.
It's back in Detroit.
And it was a few instances where they wouldn't let us outside
because it was like gang members outside.
I don't even know why they did that, bro.
Like now that I'm a grown man, bro, I look at it like that shit was so stupid, bro.
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Like, why are you coming to high school trying to beat up some kids?
Like, like, that's so fucking stupid, bro.
You know, they do that in San Diego.
That is the dumbest shit, bro.
Like this you and a way just a group of dudes
walking around trying to beat people up.
Well, that is so stupid.
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Yeah.
My girlfriend would tell me like, like when she was going to school,
like Crips and Crips would just show up to their school to fight the kids.
Neighborhood Crips, bro.
That's so like for what, bro?
That's so dumb, bro.
That's so stupid.
Protecting neighborhoods, man.
Right, bro.
Like, hey.
And then again, it's like, you all wake up, come together and be like,
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let's go up to the school and start jumping some people like, you know what I'm saying?
Corny ass shit because gangs gangs were created to protect the neighborhoods,
not show up at people's high schools and beat up kids that are trying to study.
Grow up.
Like, yeah, at that point, you just grow up.
Well, you got to grow up.
You got to grow up.
That is the dumbest shit.
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No wonder fucking, you know what I'm saying?
All everybody fucking walk around illegal guns and shit.
You know, you got dumb people out here doing stupid shit.
That shit don't jump in people.
That shit don't make no real money, man.
You got to you got to go out there and do some real things, man.
You got to stupid and power your community to like, what the facts, bro?
You're not helping nobody out going to showing up to people's high schools and fighting.
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Oh, God.
It's like you want people to come out to a city, you know, doing good things,
you know what I'm saying?
You know, giving back to the community.
But this is what you're doing to them.
You know what I'm saying?
You're going to beat them up.
Rob moment.
Just like like like what goofy shit.
Yeah.
And then be like, oh, this dude fake.
He don't care about our city no more.
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Like, no, this is what y'all did to me while I was growing up.
Why would I come back and try to put people on and give back?
You know what I'm saying?
No, that's just goofy, bro.
Like all together, people got to grow up.
Like you said.
But natural disasters is another common trigger of traumatic experience.
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And that's a disaster.
Like, say, people went through hurricanes and lost their home.
So any time like a like a like a thunderstorm would come by, you know, that we just think that.
I know a lot of people lost their homes in Hurricane Katrina.
Like when I was living in Georgia.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember that.
Transferred in while I'm in third grade, I had kids transferred in from from New Orleans.
(29:40):
But like even like the most recent, it was as close to Hurricane Katrina, but just, you know,
in San Diego flooded just like a week ago or something like that.
Yeah.
Like people lost their cars.
You know what I'm saying?
Homes got flooded.
And the thing is, bro, like I had my insurance when I was in the third grade.
(30:01):
Insurance when I started seeing all those cars on the water, because, you know,
your insurance, I asked you, you know, covers for flooding.
And I'm like, oh, that's a thing.
What is it?
I heard it came out here that day, bro.
People was losing their cars because of flooding, bro.
I'm just saying get the insurance, bro, just because you never know.
But when I when I was living in Virginia and Norfolk, that used to flood all the time.
(30:25):
So when I would drive to neighborhoods, it'd be it'd be chargers and Camaro's like
parked and ran like not part, but like the flow would carry them into the middle of the street.
Boy, bro, you know, imagine, imagine your charger.
Imagine your hell cab, bro.
Right.
Imagine I come outside, I see it just flowing down the street.
That's not even going to be in your neighborhood no more.
(30:46):
That's going to flow all the way.
Right.
And I got a tracker on the car, too.
It's going to be like, your car is in national city.
That's a flood all the way to national city.
Right.
Why is my car 30 miles away? What's going on here?
Boy.
Bro, and a bad thing about it is it happened in like and like like bad neighborhoods, you know.
(31:10):
Yeah.
Like like like neighborhoods that needed support even before the flood.
Oh, you mean like like poor neighborhoods?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Actually, because I'm like national city was one of them.
Yeah.
Like like all those people like trying to keep their homes now just lost their homes.
I'm like, fuck, man.
That's just bad altogether.
I do.
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So I do.
Or witnessing traumatic events like we talked about anytime we see a boat or anytime you
smell that, you know, that seawater.
I'll tell you this right now, bro.
I ain't ready to get on a boat, not even a cruise ship.
I am not ready.
Not yet.
Give me another year or two.
I need more time.
(31:52):
Oh, God, I need more time.
So, Dr. Sean, going to come on right now and talk about the neurobiological effects.
So was that the brain?
Yeah, the brain, the brain.
I mean, this is a mental health podcast and we are trying to protect our mentals.
So let's let's get into the brain.
Like what what trauma has on your brain?
(32:14):
So trauma can impact the brain.
Structure and function affecting areas responsible for emotions, memory and stress response.
That makes sense, because when you when you go through like these panic attacks or, you
know, you think about these traumatic experiences like.
You have a mood swing like your emotions, you can't control them.
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You probably get mad out of nowhere.
Like you usually don't get mad.
Like you're a chill person.
All of a sudden you smell this seawater.
Now you're.
You're like, I'm going to go to the bathroom.
Seawater, now you're not sad as shit or mad as hell or something.
Starts affecting your memory.
So like.
That's all you can think about right now.
(32:57):
Oh, OK, I see what you're saying.
Like literally, you literally cannot escape that thought as soon as you smell the sea.
It's like it triggers it.
A trigger.
Yeah.
Like this like a like a switch got flipped on and that's all that's the only thing that's
going through your mind and stress response.
Like we talked about stress in our episode, but like.
(33:21):
Man, going through a panic attack like.
It's got to be stressful.
Like it's got to it's got to take a toll on your mental.
Now, facts, bro.
For me, it was my first time, so I didn't really know what was going on.
Like pulling hair type shit.
Yeah, like I was just like, what the fuck is happening?
Why am I shaking like this?
You know, like trying to turn on the radio and you know, my hand is like shaking and shit.
(33:43):
All of that was new.
I was just like, what is this?
Damn, no.
So, yeah, no, like trauma has a bad effect on people's brains.
So and the bad thing about it is like, like I said, it is a part of your life now.
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So how to move past it?
Like we like we have to talk to people like we have to talk to people about it.
But like when you like going through it, if you have these experiences like it, I'm pretty sure it gets easier.
Like for me, it got easier with time.
Like for me, I just had to get out the military.
I just had to get out.
(34:26):
No, I feel it, you know, and then everybody, you know, who experienced in trauma out there, you know, I'm saying rather.
You know, I'm saying rather is bothering you every day or it's not, you know, I'm saying just having trauma, bro, is just another reason for you to get up, bro.
You know, I'm saying it's another reason for you to go hard the next day.
(34:47):
You know, I'm saying because that's life is a fight, bro.
You got to keep you got to keep getting up.
You got to keep battling it, bro.
So don't let it win.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And one of our episodes, we talked about resiliency.
So how can you how can you cope with this trauma?
How can you, you know, live with this trauma?
(35:08):
Because, like I said, it is a part of your life.
So how are you going to live with it?
Resilience and healing while trauma can have lasting effects because it will.
Individuals can also exhibit resilience and embark on a journey of healing, you know, through therapy, support network networks and coping strategies.
(35:28):
So.
You have to go see somebody like we had to go see somebody, bro.
Mm hmm.
Like I had I had to go talk to somebody like I had a therapist and there's no shame in it.
I know shame.
Because I am like it's only shame if you're not taking care of yourself because the man always like the first thing a man has to do is take care of his own.
(35:53):
And what is what is your own your mental health?
You cannot you cannot put that off.
You can't especially if you going out, you know, trying to hit goals and all of this type of whatever it is that you want to do in life.
Like you got to make sure that you're you're good so you can go and do those things.
You know what I'm saying?
(36:13):
It's like, you know, you want to get in your car and go to Disneyland.
Right.
But something wrong with your engine.
So how are you going to get there?
You got to go out to get this fixed.
Right.
Then go, you know, I'm saying this.
No, we need maintenance just like every other thing.
You know.
Yeah.
Everybody needs periodic maintenance.
(36:34):
Exactly.
And like like we said in all of our episodes, we you know, humans cannot go through this world alone.
We need support networks.
You need your family.
You need your friends.
You need people to talk to like every day.
(36:54):
And, you know, we talked about in our last episode about coping.
You need you need like you need to find these things that you can cope with like you need you need to find something that'll bring you peace.
Like you're coping is like you like cars.
So that's what that's what you're always around.
(37:15):
I could go for a drive and, you know, and I'd be good after that.
Me, I like tech.
I like to play around on my computer.
I like to surf the web for some shit.
That's me.
I like to play my games.
I like to nerd out a little bit.
That's that's my shit.
So that's how I cope.
(37:35):
And so, you know, we're all different.
You know, we all we all got our ways.
You know, a lot of us like to like to run probably bike.
You know, everyone likes cars and shit.
So, yeah, you got to you got to find things that you can find peace within and going, you know, having these traumatic experiences.
You like it's it's going to be a part of your life.
(37:59):
So you just got to exhibit resilience and heal.
That's that's what this is all about.
The healing never stops.
It does.
It's always something that you got to you got to fix it.
Always always something you go ahead and fix.
So I'm going to go into our next little topic, prevention and education.
(38:21):
So raising awareness about trauma, which we're trying to do right now, its effects and available resources is vital for prevention and early intervention in mental health.
So you can prevent these, you know, these traumatic experiences.
How?
Listen to our stories, you know, listen to people's experiences when they talk, you know, because we all go, you know, we all we all have different paths to go.
(38:43):
We all we all have different paths in life.
But, you know, we all go through the same things as well.
We all go to work.
We all study.
We all have to wake up in the morning or we all have to wake up later in the afternoon.
Like we all go through things, the same things in life.
So you like stories you can relate to.
(39:05):
Like I know a lot of military guys can relate to our stories.
No, big facts. Yeah. And maybe we can relate to the story.
The process to recovering is always similar.
As people who have been through trauma and, you know, and, you know, made it to that healing process.
The healing process is usually always the same.
(39:29):
But it's got to be on the people to listen.
Yeah.
In fact, if you need help trying to recover from something, just listen to people's stories.
I promise you, bro, is people who didn't probably you think your trauma is bad.
It's people who didn't been through some movie type stuff.
So fucked up shit like there's some like I hate to say it, but there are some fucked up people in this world.
(39:54):
Yeah. Mentally, mentally like that shit.
Just think about just think about it now.
Like, there's really some fucked up people and like people go to go to a very traumatic experiences, man.
I can't I can't even imagine what it's like being, you know, I hate to say it, but this is a mental health podcast like rape and the shit like I was just about to say that, bro.
(40:21):
I swear to God, it's about going to say it's sexual assault, sexual assault, domestic abuse.
I can't violence, sexual assault.
Bro, I cannot I can't get down with that.
I can't, bro. I cannot, bro.
Like, especially if it's like it don't even matter if you underage or of age or not, bro.
It's all just the worst, bro.
(40:44):
Honestly, bro, if it was up to me, bro, like far as these laws, that's definitely bro.
No, no. But before you die, you back to experience exactly what you did to this person.
And then we're going to get like because Luke don't play that sexual assault is zero tolerance, bro.
(41:06):
Period. Like straight up.
I can't I I can't even talk about that one, bro.
I can't. I can't. I hate that so much, bro.
No, bro. You you take advantage of someone against their will.
That is the worst, bro. Even when, you know, they stop putting it in movies or whatever, you know, because people are complaining about it.
(41:30):
Even when I saw it in a movie, bro, it was like I was seeing it for real, because I cannot do the sexual assault.
Like there is no justification for that.
Like you need to die.
Like, yeah, you need to be killed.
The worst imaginable pain possible, so unimaginable like that shit will like scar you the way that you scored that person.
(41:54):
Fact and worse like you need to you need to experience a tenfold.
I hate that shit so much, bro. I do, too.
Even the word, I don't even say the word. I say our word.
That's how I say it. Like even the word, bro, it pisses me off.
It was tough for me to say. I know.
I know, bro. Yeah, yeah. I can tell by the way you said it was like you don't want to say that word.
(42:17):
It had to be said, though, bro.
Like, unfortunately, it's a part of life. It's such a nasty part of life.
It is, bro.
And people go through it, bro.
Like people actually go through it and that shit just makes me so sad, man.
Like I can't I can't even wrap my head around it.
Like the people that go through it.
But we're here like we, you know, we have to talk about it.
(42:40):
So that's the only way to prevent things like you have to talk about it.
So, you know, how do you how do you prevent it?
Women, please get yourself pepper spray something.
Defend yourself anyway. Watch who around you.
Please defend yourself and do the buddy system.
Buddy system.
(43:01):
This topic, just mainly for the ladies, because guys, we got to worry about that type of, you know, going outside late at night or walking late at night.
For the most part, we ain't got to we probably are worried about getting robbed or some or maybe at the mouth by a gang or something.
But we ain't got to worry about sexual assault. Yeah.
The buddy system applies to everyone, but especially female, especially female.
(43:24):
Listen to this, please.
Definitely like, you know, if it's late, you need to go somewhere.
You know what I'm saying? Do that.
What we call it, the O.R.M.
Operational Risk Management. Exactly right.
Where is you is where you going at this time of day?
Is the risk worth it? Right.
Is this something you have to do right now at this time of day?
(43:46):
And if so, right, if you got somebody, maybe you got a man.
Right. Because nine out of ten, that man is not going to let you go by yourself anyway.
Right. But if he decided to do tell him, hey, come with me or you got your friend.
You know, you might come in with me. Right.
Do not be going out there at night by yourself.
Right. Don't do it.
(44:07):
No, for real. Oh, since you brought out brought up operational risk management, there is that step.
You know, you got to identify the risk, assess it.
Mm hmm. What was the you got to make a risk of decisions?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
That's I think that falls into pretty much weighing it out.
(44:28):
Like is right.
This is what you risk in is what you risk in for risk versus reward risk versus reward.
Is it worth it? Right.
Mm hmm. Nine out of ten is not something late at night.
Nine out of ten is not worth it.
There's some creeps out here. For sure.
(44:50):
It's some creeps. Definitely.
And watch creepier. They are only getting creepier, bro.
For sure. For sure.
For sure. Protect yourself. Like he said, if you got mace carried on you, maybe a taser or something, you know, just always keep your head on the swivel, man.
Yeah. Make sure you are good, please. Yeah. Have some sense. You know, think.
(45:13):
Definitely think. You know what I'm saying?
Let somebody know where you at or, you know, where you going.
You know, it's a cold world, man, especially at night.
It is, man. Especially at night.
So like a lot of young people, like I hear it a lot. They just don't care, man.
Like you got to think you have you have to show some care.
You don't care until something happens.
(45:34):
Yeah. Then then you then you're definitely going to care. Now you care. Yeah. Now you got a traumatic experience.
That's right. That's our word, bro.
Boy, take care of yourself, please.
No, so that, you know, this is just us trying to prevent it, but we have with it at all.
(45:56):
We have to talk about it.
So that's us trying to talk about traumatic experiences before they could happen to you.
Think, think about it.
You know, smart enough. But what you know, how can you avoid other traumatic experiences?
In fact, basic just do the do the way, do the way and bro, it's the risk versus the reward.
(46:21):
Is it worth it?
Wait out, man. We. Oh, shit.
I think we are. So I did 47. Yeah.
I'm making good time. That's a lot. It's a lot to talk about trauma.
Mm hmm. All right. So going deeper into trauma, into treating trauma, holistic approaches,
(46:46):
treating trauma often involves a holistic approach, you know, addressing both the psychological and physical aspects of an individual's well-being.
So treating trauma. So like I said, you have to talk about it.
Yeah. Like people don't know what you're going to unless you talk about it.
(47:10):
So, I mean, you like you have to see a therapist and you have you have to be willing to open open up.
No, for sure. Because you definitely because that's one of the things where it's like.
I think we address this plenty of times, but different ways like how we talk about, you know,
that cat blowing up because you want to hold something in it up, bottling it up.
(47:35):
Yeah. Definitely try to avoid that the best you can.
You know, because I think for people who does.
Is that a type of coping by the bottom?
It's a bad example of coping. I got bad.
It's such a bad example of coping because you're not really coping with it.
It's not like the problem is still there. You just trying to bury it.
(47:58):
And it's only getting bigger. Yeah, it's only getting bigger. Exactly.
And then I think for people who do do that, it's probably one of those things where they're not comfortable,
you know, talking about their issues. And it'd be like that.
You know, that's that's OK, because maybe you haven't.
Now, let's just say maybe you haven't ran into somebody where you feel comfortable enough to do that or whatever.
And maybe you ain't got nobody who make you feel that comfortable or whatever.
(48:22):
But like I said, it was it depending on the situation is really bad.
You know, you can call nine eight eight.
You know, they don't care who you are or what you've been through.
You know, and they're going to get you through whatever it is. Right.
Or like you like trying to keep saying, you know, it's people as people who are who profession is this, you know, therapist.
(48:43):
This is their profession. They studied this. You know, I'm saying they had to go through a whole tons of, you know,
bunches of, you know, scenarios, I'm sure. So you can definitely reach out to them and let them open up your mind and and help you recover.
So, yeah. So talking about care, you know, mental health professionals emphasize trauma informed care,
(49:08):
creating a safe and supportive environment that recognizes the prevalence and impact of trauma.
So like these professionals are prepared like they've studied this.
Yeah. You know, they live for this, you know, I hate to say it, but they do live for it.
They didn't study this. They grow.
(49:29):
You know, I'm saying just a bunch of different sciences pretty much right now,
what they learn from people who experience what you went through.
So don't expect it to be new. There's something whatever you're going through.
Somebody has went through it and they learned about it and they learn how to deal with it.
These professionals could also give you like different strategies, you know, to cope with it.
(49:50):
But it's so important to get the professional help with trauma.
It's so important to get professional help because they do induce panic attacks.
Shit like you like you go through it and it really affects your whole mood.
Like you can't even live a you can't even live a perfect life.
(50:12):
Facts, bro. And the panic attack for me, bro, is a prime example of just me
just trying to suppress some shit for so long that was bothering me.
And I chose to not acknowledge it for so long.
Then what happened? You know, that cat blew off and I had a panic attack while I was driving.
That's scary. Like why are you driving?
(50:34):
Like you can't you can't even do like daily life functions because that shit will just happen out of nowhere.
And all it all all in these are just a flip a flip of a switch just like that, bro.
Yeah, just like that. That's tough, man.
That's tough. That's and I'm glad I'm glad you went to go get the help, man.
(50:55):
No, for sure. I'm glad, too, because she taught me a different way.
Everybody's different. You know, the last thing I expected her, I thought I was going to be in there talking or whatever, but I wasn't talking.
I had a notebook and for the strategy she gave me was to write instead of talk.
So when I wrote, I was able to just write everything in my mind, you know, and you know, and I was able to recover from that.
(51:20):
So that yeah, that's that is a way like journal it out.
Get yourself a diary like we see it. We've seen it on TV.
I'm pretty I'm pretty sure all of us like not all of us, a lot of us have diaries, but it's a good thing to have.
Try it. Try it out. Yeah, it's literally like.
Taking with me and putting it on a paper, right? Taking it out to my you put it on a paper.
(51:46):
Let me get this on my head. We write it down. Yeah, that's how to hit.
Talk to someone you can trust to, you know, if you if you don't if you don't like writing, you don't have, you know, pencil paper, whatever.
Talk it out. Call your mom. Please call your mom or grandma.
Well, you still got her or auntie somebody.
(52:09):
Yeah, not to call. Call call call someone in your family like a female.
Yeah, they do tend to be way better listeners and a lot more understand.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, from my experience. Yeah.
When it comes to things on your mind and it's like emotional, I would definitely price it and talk to like a woman that I trust.
(52:32):
You know what I'm saying? My therapist was a woman and she did amazing.
She was breaking down everything I was saying. Like it was crazy. Yeah.
Yeah, they listened. They listened, bro. They break that shit down. She broke it.
He didn't did he beat it. Yeah. Shout out to women, bro.
Yeah, for sure. Man, talk. But really talk to your mom because no one in this world loves you more than your mom.
(52:56):
That's a fact. Talk to your mom. Nobody else loves you more in this world than your mom.
And now I think about it, you know, for people who bottle and stuff up, you know, if you still got your mama in your life, you know,
she would definitely recognize that you bottle or something only because she know you that much.
(53:18):
You know, or whoever, you know, pretty much raised you. Yeah.
No, for sure. I mean, and if you can't talk to your mom, like talk to your dad, too.
I'll talk to my dad. Like, I'm glad I'm glad we're on a talking relationship again.
And like, talk to your pops. Talk. Talk. Talk to your parents. For sure, man.
(53:39):
I confide in them. And that's your blood. Reaching out and talking to somebody is all positive.
Just progression, bro. A little by little. It's progress.
Progression. That's taken. Take it. Take a little step day after day, one step at a time.
Like healing is a process. It is. It don't happen like this. Healing is a process.
(54:00):
We go. We try different strategies. We try to we try everything we can to achieve that inner peace.
So healing is a process. It's a lifelong process. Like you heal every day.
And we're still healing, too. All right, everyone.
That's that's trauma. That's all we got to say about it.
There is there is a lot to say about trauma. It is because trauma pretty much like.
(54:26):
The top dog when it comes to mental health and then everything else is like all up under like little branches.
When we talk about stress and anxiety, all all of that falls under trauma.
The big tree of trauma. Exactly. And with as many branches. Exactly.
It trauma is big. And the best way to address it is mental.
(54:50):
Like you have to see a professional. No facts. Yeah.
And there are ways to prevent trauma, too. You got to listen to people's traumatic experiences like.
I had to bring it up again, but like rape is a thing and it happens.
And you have to be educated on stuff like that.
(55:12):
And and natural disasters, too, like what can happen?
Like we live in San Diego, like California, like it was flooding flooded.
California was flooded. Sonny San Diego, where it doesn't rain.
But crap, it was a flood in here, bro. Educate yourself on these stuff because it happens.
(55:34):
It literally happens. Mm hmm.
So there are ways to prevent there are ways to prevent traumatic experiences from happening.
And there are ways to cope with it, too.
You know, you have resilience, you have to exhibit resilience, you have like you go like it.
Like I said, it is a part of your life, so you have to make it.
(55:56):
Like you have to make it yours. Like it's your experience.
So take advantage of yourself, you know, take care of yourself.
You need to see a therapy therapist, go see a therapist.
You don't have any friends, you don't have a support network.
Build one. Start with us for show.
Definitely. And for anybody who is currently going through something traumatic and, you know, your mental is under attack, bro.
(56:24):
I promise you it's going to be hard, you know, trying to fight it every day and, you know, making these little progressive little steps,
whether it's reaching out to somebody or, you know, find you a professional to help you deal with whatever experience you don't want through.
But I promise you, bro, as hard as it's going to be, you will come out like these, bro.
Like these, bro. Strong. Strong. Strong.
(56:50):
For real. You have to build the resilience. You got to come out strong.
Definitely. But that's all we got to say about it. Appreciate y'all.
Appreciate y'all watching. And we are out of here. See y'all next week.
Are we out yet? Oh, yeah. Bye.
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