March 12, 2025 • 39 mins
Join us for a conversation with Tannaz Hosseinpour, founder of the Minutes on Growth Community Podcast, as she shares her journey of spiritual awakening. Inspired by Dr. Wayne Dyer and Deepak Chopra, she explores the universe as a shattered mirror, balancing feminine and masculine energies, and the power of soft discipline—a compassionate approach to personal growth.
Tannaz highlights how collaboration fosters accountability and transformation, and how creating supportive communities allows individuals to thrive. This episode is filled with wisdom, inspiration, and actionable insights to deepen your spiritual journey.
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Yuli (00:04):
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Now let's go deep.
Hello, my dear friends, welcometo another really, really
powerful episode of the HealistPodcast, and I have a feeling
it's going to be powerfulbecause our guest today is Tanaz
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Hazenpur and she's the founderof Minutes on Growth Community
Podcast.
A certified life coachspecializing in relationships
both with oneself and withothers, as well as conscious
manifestation, with an academicbackground in conflict
resolution, law and counselingpsychotherapy, she combines
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these diverse skills to empowerindividuals to create meaningful
connections and manifest theirdesired reality.
And I'm just so excited to haveyou and we were just chatting
before and trying to choose atopic for this conversation.
As all of you know, we go justusually unscripted and pretty
organic, and there were just somany themes that came up and all
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of them are very powerful anddeep and we could spend hours on
each each, but some of thethings that came up is the ideas
of being this perfect conduitof the universe and trusting the
voice, being open to receivingguidance and signs, balancing
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feminine and masculine energysome really big topics.
So I don't have one intention.
I usually set intention forthose episodes, but all of them
just sound like exactly my cupof tea and I would love to spend
the next hour, you know, justgetting your perspective on
things and your energy is sobeautiful and I'm just grateful
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to have you here.
So welcome to NASK, Thank, you,yuli.
Tannaz (02:19):
Grateful to be here and to share with you, and thank you
for creating the space?
Yuli (02:27):
Absolutely so since we already dropped some of those
hints into our audience, I wouldlove to kind of just learn more
about your perspective, becauseI have a sense that you have a
very unique perspective on life,universe, what we call
manifestation, even though it'sbeen so overused these days and
everyone has their manifestationtechnique and there's like been
so overused these days andeveryone has their manifestation
technique, and there's likehere's your five tips and here's
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your three steps, or whateverit is.
I want to hear from you how doyou see things?
Tannaz (02:55):
Ooh, beautiful question how do we see the universe?
I see the universe as for me,it's like a mirror that's been
shattered into a million piecesand we're all, each one of us,
is one piece of that, and whenwe all come together, that that
community, that connectioncreates the full image.
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We are all parts of each other.
That which you see in me existswithin you, that which I see in
you exists within me, thatwhich I see in you exists within
me.
And I love how Ram Dass wouldsay, we're all just walking each
other home.
So it's something big thatwe're part of, but we're also
something big ourselves.
So it's the universe is withinme and I'm within the universe.
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That's how I'd like to see it,that's how I've been seeing it
over the past.
I started the spiritual workwhen I was in my early 20s, so
let's say in the past 13 yearsand slowly building a much, much
, much better relationship withthe universe as the day goes by
and just trusting.
It's like the most, for me, themost important relationship one
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needs to spend time on, andit's like the best cheerleader,
the best, best friend you canhave.
And if you can cultivate thatrelationship, it kind of
trickles into every otherrelationship and it's a great
foundation to have.
Yuli (04:17):
Absolutely.
And how do you cultivate thoserelationships?
I mean, people have a lot ofdifferent practices and
techniques.
If we had to look at yourjourney or your even daily
routine, what does therelationship look like?
Tannaz (04:31):
The relationship started with a lifequake, with an event
that changed my whole lifeovernight.
That was beyond, outside of myscope of control, and Rumi has a
beautiful poem and he says thewound is where the light enters
you.
And I think for me it wasbreaking down, breaking open,
and my mom walked in with a bookby Dr Wayne Dyer and she said I
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think this is going to make youfeel better and it really did.
It opened my heart to Dr WayneDyer, to Deepak Chopra, dr Joe
Dispenza and all of them afterthat bless their souls for being
on this realm to share all ofthat with us.
And then it's just over theyears.
It's kind of figuring out how Iwanted to feel when I thought
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of the universe.
And so my undergraduate degreewas in religion.
I've always been so amazed athow religion impacts human
beings and how it influences ourbehaviors and our belief
systems.
But I always saw it from a veryanalytical perspective, from a
very like logical perspective,and so when my heart shattered
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and my soul shattered and itkind of opened that space for
all this new information to comein, it was all about like how I
felt.
So how did I feel when I wasmeditating.
How did I feel when I wassitting in front of a mirror,
crying and like havingmake-believe conversations to
this entity called God, butlooking into my own eyes, which
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I later found out was likemirror work and Louise Hay's
work?
How do I feel going intoreligious sites, even which ones
bring me the sense of ease inmy heart?
I was just recently inSoutheast Asia for four months
and I was traveling and doing alot of research on the
correlation between mentalhealth and faith and where which
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spaces uplift me.
So for me, my spiritualpractice is going to spaces
where I feel inner peace andsafety and security in my body.
Sometimes that's a Buddhisttemple, sometimes that's the
trail by my house, sometimesthat's sitting with someone I
love, and sometimes that'ssitting in my closet under my
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clothes and just taking slow,deep breaths.
So it's all coming back to thebody, and the safety of the body
for me is my spiritual practice.
Yuli (06:54):
So talk about that journey right Coming from this
shattered pieces and thenturning to who you are today, it
sounds like it was quite a leapto make.
Tannaz (07:07):
Yes.
So I was 20 when that lifequick happened.
I just finished myundergraduate degree, again in
religion, political science.
The intention was to go to lawschool and I was always great at
speaking as a child.
So my parents were like youwere meant to be a lawyer and
that kind of was conditionedinto me.
Went to England, did mymaster's in law and, being from
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the Middle East, we're a veryoil rich country, so oil rich
whole region, but specificallythe countries that I was raised
in the United Arab Emirates andIran and you know, my dad was
like why don't you go into likeoil and gas trade management?
I was like, great, I'd love tostudy.
I was like, okay, I'll go there.
And I studied that.
And the intention was to gointo like being a corporate
lawyer for oil industries.
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And I came back to the MiddleEast and I was like no, I don't
want to do this.
This doesn't feel aligned withmy values, with who I am.
It feels like, oh, I have todrag myself out of bed.
Thinking about it made me feelicky on the inside and so I had
this time as a self-inflicted Iwould say, life quake was like I
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don't know who I am anymore andI was doing more of the inner
work and I was reading more ofthese books.
And it's like, who are you, askyourself, who am I?
Not who my parents want me tobe, not who my community wants
me to be, but who am I?
And I went through another sixmonths of really dark and I've
you know, I've always known whatI wanted to do.
So it was really hard to kindof be like okay, scratch it all
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out.
What am I meant to do with mylife?
What is my purpose?
Why am I here and sitting?
One day, one of my friendsreached out to me and was like
you should start a podcast.
I was like, what is that?
It was like 2016, 17.
He was like, no, you should doa political podcast.
You always have so much likeinsights into this.
And I sat with it Like, at thatpoint I knew that nothing is a
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coincidence.
Universe speaks to us throughother people.
I sat with it.
I was like, okay, eventually Iwould love to do a podcast, but
not on politics.
I want to share all the lessonsthat I'm learning with all
these spiritual books that I'mreading, and I have a very
teacher archetype, so it's likeI want to simplify these topics.
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I want to share what I'mlearning and make it easy for
everyone to have access, and sothat's how the podcast came
about.
And I started a book clubbecause I love to read.
And one of the girls in thebook club a couple of months
later was like you should be acoach.
I'm like what is that?
She was like because I went onInstagram.
I was like coach as a hashtag.
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I was like wow, like I have noidea what that is.
When did my coachingcertification?
And I was like, okay, well,they're like niche down.
And because I had done disputeresolution law, which had a lot
of family mediation, which had alot of like, you know, fighting
and couples, you know thedivorce and separation, it was
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always in the back of my mind ofwhy do people get here?
How do people get here?
You know you're kind of in lovewhen you get married.
And so I was like I would loveto niche down on relationships
and especially relationship withself.
And I had practiced and gone tocertifications for Reiki and
other healing modalities and Iwas like what if I kind of
combine them both?
What if I bring spiritualitywith these like scientific,
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research-backed relationalskills and tools.
It doesn't have to be one or theother, and that's really how my
business started and it's grownover the past 70 years, and I
keep reminding myself.
Every day when I wake up and Iwas sharing this with you
earlier today when we werespeaking I remind myself that
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nothing belongs to me and mygoal is my job, my
responsibility is to wake up, tobe a medium, a vessel for
creative force to flow throughme and to let the universe do
its magic through me.
And I am the conduit.
My fingers are typing, but it'snot me who's typing.
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There's another energy that'senabling this typing, which
reminds me of Dr Wayne Dyer.
He would say he would wake upevery day at the same time and
he would write.
He would just sit there at thetable and, like the pen, would
write.
So that's how I've just beengrowing my business.
I wake up and I say universe,tell me where to go, what to say
and who to say it to.
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And that's been my favoriteprayer ever since.
Yuli (11:36):
Well, thank you, universe, for bringing you here to say
your words to us, because it'sjust so beautiful and inspiring
words to us because it's just sobeautiful and inspiring.
And you mentioned that yourbusiness has grown since then,
and something else that you saidwe were chatting before that
you don't do any marketing.
People just find you, andthat's incredible to me.
So I would love to double clickon that and learn.
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You know who are the type ofpeople that come to you.
How do they find you?
If you don't do any marketing,how does this universe work for
you?
Tannaz (12:09):
So, so, so interesting.
And it's not that I don't wantto do marketing, I just never
felt the need to do it.
So my first client, my firstlike major clients, came from
the book club.
One of the girls in the bookclub that I have was like oh,
it'd be great.
Like I work for thiscorporation, I would love for
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you to speak.
Through that talk came a client, through that client came other
clients, and it kind of justbecame like a referral of people
, you know, telling the otherperson hey, like this is someone
who's been helping me navigatethrough X, y and Z.
So that's how the like that wasone stream of clients that came
to me.
And when I started the podcast,I started an Instagram page and
I would just share, I would like.
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Whatever I would read I would.
And if you go back to my oldposts, you'll see like the
quality of the posts were sodifferent and I would just I'm a
reader, so I would like create,write, like written posts and
fast forward like a couple ofyears.
One day I just had this likeintuition.
I was like I need to likeconnect with more women.
So I went on like meetup and Ifound like the first meetup
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group for women and I went thereand I connected with the one of
the wonderful, wonderful womanwho was there.
She was the leader.
We had a conversation and shewas like I've been wanting to do
a retreat.
I was like, oh my God, I wouldlove to do a retreat with you.
That's how the retreat came.
And then, while we werepreparing for the retreat, one
of my co-facilitators said it'stime for you to do videos.
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It's like if you watch my firstvideo, you will laugh, because
I was so stressed.
I was like holding my hands andI had to like re-record a
million times.
But it's like people came to meand said why don't we do this,
why don't we do that?
And I started, like you know,with my videos and then started
growing a community on socialmedia and now there's like some
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clients that come through thereand then some through referrals,
but it was just suggestions byothers that I didn't just see as
a coincidence.
I was like this is how you knowGod speaks to us light source
creation.
However, whatever you want tophrase it, my job is to just
show up and to take inspiredaction.
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So that's how the marketingworked.
Yuli (14:24):
That's amazing.
Well, thank you so much forsharing.
I think it's just so inspiringfor many people.
But I think what is wonderfulin your story that you know you
heard some of those things, youheard the signs and you didn't
just well, suddenly you actuallywent and did some actionable
steps with it, right, which Ithink a lot of people are
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missing sometimes, and when theytry to manifest and they get
the sign, but then theself-doubt kicks in, right, just
like with your video story.
I'm sure, like for most people,when someone tells you you
should just go do a videos,first reaction would be, if
you're not used to that, right,you would cringe Like no,
absolutely not.
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Like, I'm not good at this, Idon't like myself on camera,
this is going to be so stressful, I don't have time.
I mean, there's so many excuses, right, but you actually stuck
with it and not only recordedmillion times but had the
courage to upload it on YouTube.
So tell us about that.
Tannaz (15:27):
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
I want to really normalize whatyou said because you know I've
been recording since 2017 and Ithink it's only the past maybe
couple of months that I'vebecome comfortable with the
sound of my own voice.
So it took a long time to getto a place where because usually
when you hear yourself, you'relike, why do I sound like that?
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And I'm currently completing mymaster's in counseling,
psychotherapy and my teacher isgiving me this feedback of you
have such a therapeutic voicelike it's so calming.
Only now am I becomingcomfortable.
So it's okay if you're notcomfortable with that which
you're uncomfortable overnight.
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Sometimes it takes up many,many, many years, but it's just
still showing up and doing itand, honestly, imposter syndrome
is real.
I had so much fear of judgmentbecause in my community you know
you're either a lawyer, adoctor or an engineer and these
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are really the only respectablequote, unquote respectable
fields that you're in.
So for me to say I'm not goingto continue working in the legal
industry, my parents wereshooketh.
They were like, did you juststudy for like seven, eight
years to say, no, I'm doing aU-turn, what are we going to do?
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Like, at first, my parentsthought this was a joke, this
was a hobby.
So I really not only was I likewhat am I doing?
But I was like I don't want toembarrass my family's name, I
don't want to embarrass myparents, I don't want all their
sacrifice to go.
I had like guilt.
So it was a lot of guilt, therewas a lot of fear, but I just
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kept remembering that, like youknow, no one's journey was
really smooth, Like Dr Nguyen'sjourney wasn't smooth.
Louise Hay's journey wasn'tsmooth.
This is just part of it, andpart of it also was I started
studying Kabbalah, and part ofthe teachings of Kabbalah is
everything comes from the lightand you chose this life.
So that was also a veryempowering thought for me
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personally of I chose it.
I'm here, I have to show up, Ihave to honor what is exciting
me, and if all theseopportunities are showing up,
it's not a coincidence.
It's coming from the light asproof of I'm on the right path.
So suck it up.
It's not about you, I kepttelling me.
It's not about you.
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It's about the change that yourwork will do.
It's about bigger than you.
Don't let the ego make youthink.
It's all about you.
So I had to keep remindingmyself of that over and over and
over again.
Yuli (18:05):
Wow, this resonates so much and, first of all, thank
you again for sharing so openly.
Well, just, you know, to touchback on the voice idea, like I
so agree, like we're all soself-critical ourselves, and it
definitely resonates with me.
I think, just I was listeningto my last recording of this
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podcast and it's been almost twoyears of recording and for the
first time in my life I said, oh, wow, actually I sound good.
Finally, because before Ithought I would be too slow,
because you know, a lot ofpeople like people are impatient
these days and I just don'talways like have my thoughts
together because I record justorganically, right, so I don't
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have all my key points andsometimes I go long into some
topics and it would create someinsecurities.
But then I was talking to anamazing psychic and she said
that my voice is actually one ofmy healing tools and one of my
power tools.
And I said, wait a second, myvoice, this thing that I think,
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is like so imperfect that needsto work on, and it totally
changed my perspective.
So it took, like for me as well, almost two years to get to
this place.
And then another thing youmentioned this idea of family
expectations right and ourbackgrounds, and I mean again,
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it resonates so much and I knowso many people that get into the
holistic, healing, coaching,spiritual teaching place.
A lot of them come from very,very different background and we
see more of that even thesedays.
It's becoming more of a stillnot a legitimate path, but we're
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getting there, a moreacceptable path right for people
.
I'm just seeing it.
It's such a huge I call ittrend, but it's really.
It really is because peoplejust realize, oh, you can also
do this right.
There's just so many great rolemodels and examples now and you
being one of them.
So I think it's just such animportant conversation and I'm
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grateful for people likeyourself who you know tip your
toes in the corporate legalworld and you were confident
enough to say no to all of thatwith all the perks and benefits,
and you know the material gainsthat you could have had and
really dedicate yourself to thepath.
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It requires just such couragebecause it's so often
misunderstood, undervalued bysociety, by our own parents, and
it just takes so much likeinner strength to know that this
is your path.
And I agree just knowing,connecting to the spiritual
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world and realizing this is thepath your soul chose for
yourself, or your higher selfchose it just.
It makes everything easier, butit's still not easy enough to
operate in our treaty worldright that leads by those rules
and those expectations andlabels.
Tannaz (21:17):
Yeah, a hundred percent.
I mean I guess you were sharingthat it's all these like
memories come back of, like youknow, even friends' judgments of
, like what's wrong with her?
Like why is she such a hippie?
Like hippie is the word right.
Who is such a hippie now?
What's wrong with her?
Why isn't she drinking anymore?
Why isn't she wearing, like youknow, designer clothes anymore?
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Like it's a shift in identityand I think people who've been
with us, the older versions ofus, it's hard for them to also
grieve that version, and so wekind of need to create space for
people you know to see thisversion and to grieve the old
version.
So we've got to be compassionatewith them as well.
But it really is a process andjust again, like when a
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challenge comes up, it's easierto say I'm going to go back to
what is easy, what iscomfortable, what is familiar,
what is quote, unquote secure,and saying you know, life is so
short to live life without thisfire within me.
When I was in Southeast Asia, Iwould have sometimes sessions at
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4 am and 3 am because of timedifference, and there was never
a moment that I was sad aboutgetting up, even though I love
to sleep.
I was so excited and I was justlike you know what this is,
what life is about.
It's being excited about thework that you do and that
excitement helps propel youthrough the challenges that you
do and that excitement helpspropel you through the
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challenges that are inevitable.
They will show up in any lifeand in any career.
But I think that passion andthat excitement, and just that
belief that it's about somethingbigger than me, really has
helped me not go back to mypeople-pleasing tendencies when
it comes to my family or changewho I really am, or mask or hide
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parts of myself to fit intoplaces where I used to, you know
, be in the past.
Yuli (23:13):
How does your family accept it?
Now that you're moreestablished, I mean you're
booked with clients there's abook coming up that we haven't
mentioned yet.
I mean it seems like you really, you know, grounded yourself in
this as a career, right.
Did that change anything inyour immediate relationship with
friends and family, I thinkwith friends.
Tannaz (23:36):
definitely over the years With my family it was a
little bit harder, particularlywith my father.
Like I remember I first wrote abook on children it was a
children's spiritual book and hewas like that's so cute, like
it was for him.
I was like, oh, it's such acute thing.
You just said Okay, but likethat's a hobby.
And then I like partook in thisGuinness World Record book
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project.
Again it was like, oh, okay,project.
Again it was like oh, okay,interesting.
And then this is the third book.
And now I think it's again.
And I understand.
You know parents haveexpectations and you know they.
They, as Eckhart Tolle says,they live their, their dreams
through us and it's never from aplace of ill intent, it's I
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want the best for you andthat's's their perception of
best.
So, yeah, definitely.
I thought.
When my father came around, Iwas like, okay, the job's done,
cause my mom, she's always been,she was the spiritual one.
So she was all like, oh, I lovethat you're doing this, but I'm
still worried for you.
And now she's like, you know,now that I have a team and
everything, she's like okay,she's like you.
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Like when I first startedbuilding my team, she's like wow
, you have a team.
I was like, yeah, she's likeokay, now I'm not worried
anymore For her.
That was her perception ofsuccess and you know they came
around with time but I, you knowI didn't try to fight them or
say like you have to see mewhere I am.
I kind of understood it and Ithink just not finding them
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created space for that newvision of me to come to life.
Yuli (25:11):
That's beautiful.
Well, thank you for sharingthis personal story.
I intentionally asked youbecause I just feel like there's
so many listeners that canresonate with all of this,
everything that we're discussing.
Really, I think there's not oneperson who is in this holistic
healing space that has neverbeen questioned by society,
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whether it's their immediatefamily or society in general,
and I think it's one of the mostimportant topics when we think
about empowerment of theholistic community.
I think society acceptance, Iwould say, would be a number one
on that list.
So the more we can talk aboutit.
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I always create space for that,and thank you for bringing it
up because it wasn't actually onthe agenda.
Well, nothing was an agenda, sowe knew something is going to
come through, but I think thisone is a really strong one, and
then so, thank you for being anadvocate and sharing your story.
I think I also wanted to comeback to something that we
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mentioned in the very beginningand this idea of the feminine
and masculine energy, and youstrike me as somebody so
balanced right, you have a team,you're running a business,
you're fully booked me assomebody so balanced right, you
have a team, you're running abusiness, you're fully booked.
You're this successfulentrepreneur, right?
Another word that people a lotof times avoid in this space.
Right, don't see themselves asentrepreneurs or business owners
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, but you are.
But yet you balance this calm,collected, deep, spiritual side.
And I think it's another topicthat I love to discuss because,
as somebody who is also kind ofdancing between those two worlds
and really trying to find abalance, I mean, we're so many
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different things right Every day, we're like so many different
hats, and I'm curious to hearyour perspective on that.
Tannaz (27:05):
Yeah, thank you for sharing and for bringing this
topic up.
So I think there's a lot ofcontent out there on women
should only be in their feminineand men should only be in their
masculine.
And you know, for me, in myopinion, that creates an
unhealthy experience of self.
And if we want to look into thefeminine and masculine energy,
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we want to go to the root of it.
You know we come to yin andyang energy and the whole point
of the yin and yang is there aretwo parts of one whole.
It's creating that balance.
When we're too much into ourmasculine energy, I think that's
when we lead to burnout.
Too much into our masculineenergy, I think that's when we
lead to burnout.
And when we're too much in ourfeminine energy, I think
sometimes we lack the followthrough to bring the vision to
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life.
And so for me, it's always whenI first became familiar with
these two topics, it was I hadto do a lot.
I'm a very like a nerd at heart, so I'm always like studying
and I love to understand that,similar to what you were saying,
like just like resonating morewith science-backed topics and
so really diving into.
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Okay, what's the feminine energyabout?
The feminine energy is aboutintuition, it's about flow, it's
about surrender.
It's the playfulness yes,what's the masculine energy
about?
It's all about drive.
It's about taking inspiredaction.
It's about discipline.
Too much of one not great.
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Too much of discipline is veryrigid.
What about soft discipline?
And that's the topic of myactually next book is how can we
create, cultivate the energy ofsoft discipline, meaning I show
up, but with grace.
I show up, I fall down, butinstead of being self-critical,
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I understand that this is partof the journey and I get up and
I say I'm going to try again.
More compassion, moreself-forgiveness.
So it's not that we're notgoing to just pick one, we're
going to integrate the two.
And I see this Sometimes I seesomeone too much in their
feminine.
How do I know?
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They're too much in theirfeminine and it's an
underdeveloped masculine.
They have a million and onebeautiful ideas, but they just
keep it at that level, at thatrealm.
It's like it comes.
So I always say like, if we'reusing our seven chakras, the
vision comes through the crown.
You see it through your eyes,you speak about it, you feel it
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and when we get to the, you knowthe belly part.
That's the part, that's theyang energy of like activating
it, action, action.
It kind of gets stuck there andthey don't allow that vision to
be birthed through them.
With a little bit of drive, witha little bit of discipline,
kind of cultivating those traits, we can bring it into the realm
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.
We can use our creative forceand we can ground with it on
this earth and we can becomethat medium.
So what I teach my clients allthe time is don't look over one
thing.
You can take that flowy energy,you can take that intuition
into the most male-orientedindustries and you can take that
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discipline into the most fluidand creative industries.
You get to choose and it has tobe a play that feels a dance,
that feels grounded to you, easeto you.
You don't need to go throughlife in a fight or flight mode.
We can choose better forourselves.
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We need to change.
This narrative of success ishard, it's challenging, but with
the right tools we can navigatethrough it with more ease and
grace.
That ease and grace, it'sactually my wife.
I use her name.
Ease and grace it's my favoritetwo words.
How can we live life throughease and grace?
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So that's the balancing of thetwo.
Yuli (31:00):
That's so beautiful.
I was just taking mental notesas you were speaking because I
love this idea of birthingthings and the way you describe
it with the energy centers.
It's just such a beautifulvisual and this showing up with
grace is, you know, I can see itbecoming my little mantra of my
altar.
(31:21):
It just is really, reallybeautifully put.
I am excited for your book anddive deep into it Because, I
mean, the subject of disciplineis actually a very interesting
one for me as well.
I just feel like my experiencewith discipline and it's one of
my strongest qualities and thatsometimes, you know, causes me
to burn out.
But you know, my disciplinecomes from my background right,
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growing up in the communistRussia, serving in the military
at some point of my life I mean,you name it there's just a lot
of my personal training, rightas a young adult, as a child,
was rooted in discipline andthat was the only way to succeed
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or to even survive.
Right, forget succeed.
It wasn't back then, it wasn'tpart of the vocabulary, it was
more of a survival mode and theonly way to survive was through
discipline.
And I really mastered thatright, which is a great asset in
business but creates a verychallenging life often, so I
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really this idea of softdiscipline really resonates with
me, as you can imagine.
Tannaz (32:32):
No, thank you for sharing that and you know, again
, eastern communities and youknow the backgrounds for me as
well discipline oof that had anegative connotation to it,
almost of like it's so rigid,rigid it's so strict and a very
disciplined father.
So I really had to learn,because that that was at the
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beginning of my journey as well.
Extremely like so zero to 100,so quick, always going, going,
going, going, going, until Ideveloped an autoimmune disease
and I was like, okay, starteddoing the books.
I was like too much, too muchcortisol, too much fight or
flight.
Where are you racing?
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To Be a little bit softer withyourself.
It's not because I was trainedas a child to focus on the
destination and I had to retrainand unlearn that.
It's not at all about thedestination, it's about the
journey.
Are you enjoying the process ofgetting there?
And so if I'm doing somethingand I notice it now too I put
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reminders around everywhere,like these little notes and
post-itsits, and I put thesemessages for myself If I notice
that I'm feeling really tensedoing something, pause.
How can we bring more joy intothis?
How can we bring more playfulenergy into this?
How can we bring more softnessinto this?
Because if you're going to getthrough, like if I'm going to
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create this product or createwhatever it is that I'm creating
with the energy of.
I need to get through this.
This needs to be done that yourenergy gets stuck to the
byproduct.
That's not the energy you wantto put out there.
You want to put the energy ofshe enjoyed doing it.
I can tell that it's a softenergy, it's a light energy, so
similar to what you were sharinga lot of.
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I had to do a lot of unlearningaround destination versus
journey and retrain myself toenjoy the journey, and I want to
give this tip because it's sucha practical tip but one of the
easiest in my opinion.
One of the easiest ways to dothat, but most challenging as
well.
It turns easy.
It starts as challenging isthrough driving.
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Can you enjoy the traffic?
Can you enjoy driving slowwithin the speed limit without
going like this?
And eventually you'll get to apoint where, like me, I got
pulled over by the cops in Japanbecause I was driving too slow
and I called my husband and he'slike I don't understand how
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we're married because he alwaysgets pulled over for driving too
fast.
But traffic is a great way towork on that.
Yuli (35:21):
Amazing.
I love that story so much.
But you mentioned also anothertopic before that I would love
to just explore a little morewith you, because for me it's
another big and fascinating one,and it's this idea of taking an
inspired action.
Right, and I think this is fromworking in this holistic
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community for a few years now.
This, I would say, say would bethe common thread among a lot
of people that have differentblocks and challenges in growing
their business.
Right, they, like you, saidexactly that example.
They get all those beautifulideas yeah, I want to do a
retreat, so I want to do thispractice, I want to do this
practice and then they findthemselves like a year later
(36:05):
okay, none of this kind of camethrough and life happened.
And you know, we all busy thesedays, no matter which part of
the world you live in, all of uskind of like multitask.
We have all those differentlives and obligations and you
just go through this day-to-daystuff and you forget your big
(36:27):
inspirations that come through.
You don't forget them, but youdon't know always what does the
inspired action look like?
Tannaz (36:37):
Yeah, honestly, collaboration For me it's been
collaboration it's when a visioncomes through and if I feel I
don't have not that I don't havethe drive, but I need help, we
all need help I reach out tosomeone that I know has shared
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visions, similar visions, and Ipitch it.
I'm like do you want to do thistogether?
Visions and I pitch it.
I'm like do you want to do thistogether and just bringing
someone else's energy into it?
A, accountability and B twoinsights are more powerful than
one in my opinion, and so a lotof the things that I took
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inspired action on were as aresult of collaboration.
My first retreat again, it was acollaboration like coaching
programs, collaboration sosometimes we need to come
partner up with someone else andbirth it together as a team.
And repetition, likeneuroplasticity, repetition
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helps us build new neuralpathways.
So as you use, you know thebeauty of collaboration to build
that pathway of taking action.
It becomes easier to takeaction as a solo person later on
.
But I would say that I wouldsay reach out to people who are
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doing similar things and holdeach other accountable and rise
together, and then you'll begetting into the habit of doing
it on your own.
Yuli (38:16):
This is such a beautiful and profound advice, thank you.
Thank you for articulating itso well.
I mean, you've just been areally wealth of inspiration.
I'm just so grateful to haveyour very balanced feminine and
masculine energy on this podcast, and I can't believe we're
running out of time and I feellike we definitely have room for
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part two, hopefully one day.
And I just really wanted tothank you for, you know,
touching on so many big and deepsubjects in such a short period
of time and doing it soeloquently.
So you've been an amazingpartner to this conversation
already.
Thank you.
Tannaz (38:59):
Thank you, yuli, for creating the space.
I love the podcast.
I love you.
Know the business side of it isusually the side that is kind
of maybe scares people off andbringing different perspectives
into it and you know, I hopeyour audience is appreciative of
that because that's so amazingand it's so powerful with the
work that you do.
(39:19):
So thank you for creating thespace and I hope this served,
you know, the person who neededto hear it.
Yuli (39:27):
So thank you Absolutely, I have no doubt, and thank you
again for your kind words andfor all those vulnerable shares
and being here with us.
Thank you.
Welcome to the Healist Podcast, where we inspire and
guide healers through businessexpansion.
We give voice to incrediblyabundant healers to share their
stories.
We dive into the quantum fieldto unlock the energies of
conscious creation.
We also develop digital toolsto help you grow, which you can
(00:25):
find on healistcom.
I'm your host, Yuli, and I'mgrateful you chose to join this
space.
Now let's go deep.
Hello, my dear friends, welcometo another really, really
powerful episode of the HealistPodcast, and I have a feeling
it's going to be powerfulbecause our guest today is Tanaz
(00:50):
Hazenpur and she's the founderof Minutes on Growth Community
Podcast.
A certified life coachspecializing in relationships
both with oneself and withothers, as well as conscious
manifestation, with an academicbackground in conflict
resolution, law and counselingpsychotherapy, she combines
(01:12):
these diverse skills to empowerindividuals to create meaningful
connections and manifest theirdesired reality.
And I'm just so excited to haveyou and we were just chatting
before and trying to choose atopic for this conversation.
As all of you know, we go justusually unscripted and pretty
organic, and there were just somany themes that came up and all
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of them are very powerful anddeep and we could spend hours on
each each, but some of thethings that came up is the ideas
of being this perfect conduitof the universe and trusting the
voice, being open to receivingguidance and signs, balancing
(01:54):
feminine and masculine energysome really big topics.
So I don't have one intention.
I usually set intention forthose episodes, but all of them
just sound like exactly my cupof tea and I would love to spend
the next hour, you know, justgetting your perspective on
things and your energy is sobeautiful and I'm just grateful
(02:14):
to have you here.
So welcome to NASK, Thank, you,yuli.
Tannaz (02:19):
Grateful to be here and to share with you, and thank you
for creating the space?
Yuli (02:27):
Absolutely so since we already dropped some of those
hints into our audience, I wouldlove to kind of just learn more
about your perspective, becauseI have a sense that you have a
very unique perspective on life,universe, what we call
manifestation, even though it'sbeen so overused these days and
everyone has their manifestationtechnique and there's like been
so overused these days andeveryone has their manifestation
technique, and there's likehere's your five tips and here's
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your three steps, or whateverit is.
I want to hear from you how doyou see things?
Tannaz (02:55):
Ooh, beautiful question how do we see the universe?
I see the universe as for me,it's like a mirror that's been
shattered into a million piecesand we're all, each one of us,
is one piece of that, and whenwe all come together, that that
community, that connectioncreates the full image.
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We are all parts of each other.
That which you see in me existswithin you, that which I see in
you exists within me, thatwhich I see in you exists within
me.
And I love how Ram Dass wouldsay, we're all just walking each
other home.
So it's something big thatwe're part of, but we're also
something big ourselves.
So it's the universe is withinme and I'm within the universe.
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That's how I'd like to see it,that's how I've been seeing it
over the past.
I started the spiritual workwhen I was in my early 20s, so
let's say in the past 13 yearsand slowly building a much, much
, much better relationship withthe universe as the day goes by
and just trusting.
It's like the most, for me, themost important relationship one
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needs to spend time on, andit's like the best cheerleader,
the best, best friend you canhave.
And if you can cultivate thatrelationship, it kind of
trickles into every otherrelationship and it's a great
foundation to have.
Yuli (04:17):
Absolutely.
And how do you cultivate thoserelationships?
I mean, people have a lot ofdifferent practices and
techniques.
If we had to look at yourjourney or your even daily
routine, what does therelationship look like?
Tannaz (04:31):
The relationship started with a lifequake, with an event
that changed my whole lifeovernight.
That was beyond, outside of myscope of control, and Rumi has a
beautiful poem and he says thewound is where the light enters
you.
And I think for me it wasbreaking down, breaking open,
and my mom walked in with a bookby Dr Wayne Dyer and she said I
(04:54):
think this is going to make youfeel better and it really did.
It opened my heart to Dr WayneDyer, to Deepak Chopra, dr Joe
Dispenza and all of them afterthat bless their souls for being
on this realm to share all ofthat with us.
And then it's just over theyears.
It's kind of figuring out how Iwanted to feel when I thought
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of the universe.
And so my undergraduate degreewas in religion.
I've always been so amazed athow religion impacts human
beings and how it influences ourbehaviors and our belief
systems.
But I always saw it from a veryanalytical perspective, from a
very like logical perspective,and so when my heart shattered
(05:36):
and my soul shattered and itkind of opened that space for
all this new information to comein, it was all about like how I
felt.
So how did I feel when I wasmeditating.
How did I feel when I wassitting in front of a mirror,
crying and like havingmake-believe conversations to
this entity called God, butlooking into my own eyes, which
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I later found out was likemirror work and Louise Hay's
work?
How do I feel going intoreligious sites, even which ones
bring me the sense of ease inmy heart?
I was just recently inSoutheast Asia for four months
and I was traveling and doing alot of research on the
correlation between mentalhealth and faith and where which
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spaces uplift me.
So for me, my spiritualpractice is going to spaces
where I feel inner peace andsafety and security in my body.
Sometimes that's a Buddhisttemple, sometimes that's the
trail by my house, sometimesthat's sitting with someone I
love, and sometimes that'ssitting in my closet under my
(06:45):
clothes and just taking slow,deep breaths.
So it's all coming back to thebody, and the safety of the body
for me is my spiritual practice.
Yuli (06:54):
So talk about that journey right Coming from this
shattered pieces and thenturning to who you are today, it
sounds like it was quite a leapto make.
Tannaz (07:07):
Yes.
So I was 20 when that lifequick happened.
I just finished myundergraduate degree, again in
religion, political science.
The intention was to go to lawschool and I was always great at
speaking as a child.
So my parents were like youwere meant to be a lawyer and
that kind of was conditionedinto me.
Went to England, did mymaster's in law and, being from
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the Middle East, we're a veryoil rich country, so oil rich
whole region, but specificallythe countries that I was raised
in the United Arab Emirates andIran and you know, my dad was
like why don't you go into likeoil and gas trade management?
I was like, great, I'd love tostudy.
I was like, okay, I'll go there.
And I studied that.
And the intention was to gointo like being a corporate
lawyer for oil industries.
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And I came back to the MiddleEast and I was like no, I don't
want to do this.
This doesn't feel aligned withmy values, with who I am.
It feels like, oh, I have todrag myself out of bed.
Thinking about it made me feelicky on the inside and so I had
this time as a self-inflicted Iwould say, life quake was like I
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don't know who I am anymore andI was doing more of the inner
work and I was reading more ofthese books.
And it's like, who are you, askyourself, who am I?
Not who my parents want me tobe, not who my community wants
me to be, but who am I?
And I went through another sixmonths of really dark and I've
you know, I've always known whatI wanted to do.
So it was really hard to kindof be like okay, scratch it all
(08:37):
out.
What am I meant to do with mylife?
What is my purpose?
Why am I here and sitting?
One day, one of my friendsreached out to me and was like
you should start a podcast.
I was like, what is that?
It was like 2016, 17.
He was like, no, you should doa political podcast.
You always have so much likeinsights into this.
And I sat with it Like, at thatpoint I knew that nothing is a
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coincidence.
Universe speaks to us throughother people.
I sat with it.
I was like, okay, eventually Iwould love to do a podcast, but
not on politics.
I want to share all the lessonsthat I'm learning with all
these spiritual books that I'mreading, and I have a very
teacher archetype, so it's likeI want to simplify these topics.
(09:22):
I want to share what I'mlearning and make it easy for
everyone to have access, and sothat's how the podcast came
about.
And I started a book clubbecause I love to read.
And one of the girls in thebook club a couple of months
later was like you should be acoach.
I'm like what is that?
She was like because I went onInstagram.
I was like coach as a hashtag.
(09:43):
I was like wow, like I have noidea what that is.
When did my coachingcertification?
And I was like, okay, well,they're like niche down.
And because I had done disputeresolution law, which had a lot
of family mediation, which had alot of like, you know, fighting
and couples, you know thedivorce and separation, it was
(10:06):
always in the back of my mind ofwhy do people get here?
How do people get here?
You know you're kind of in lovewhen you get married.
And so I was like I would loveto niche down on relationships
and especially relationship withself.
And I had practiced and gone tocertifications for Reiki and
other healing modalities and Iwas like what if I kind of
combine them both?
What if I bring spiritualitywith these like scientific,
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research-backed relationalskills and tools.
It doesn't have to be one or theother, and that's really how my
business started and it's grownover the past 70 years, and I
keep reminding myself.
Every day when I wake up and Iwas sharing this with you
earlier today when we werespeaking I remind myself that
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nothing belongs to me and mygoal is my job, my
responsibility is to wake up, tobe a medium, a vessel for
creative force to flow throughme and to let the universe do
its magic through me.
And I am the conduit.
My fingers are typing, but it'snot me who's typing.
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There's another energy that'senabling this typing, which
reminds me of Dr Wayne Dyer.
He would say he would wake upevery day at the same time and
he would write.
He would just sit there at thetable and, like the pen, would
write.
So that's how I've just beengrowing my business.
I wake up and I say universe,tell me where to go, what to say
and who to say it to.
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And that's been my favoriteprayer ever since.
Yuli (11:36):
Well, thank you, universe, for bringing you here to say
your words to us, because it'sjust so beautiful and inspiring
words to us because it's just sobeautiful and inspiring.
And you mentioned that yourbusiness has grown since then,
and something else that you saidwe were chatting before that
you don't do any marketing.
People just find you, andthat's incredible to me.
So I would love to double clickon that and learn.
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You know who are the type ofpeople that come to you.
How do they find you?
If you don't do any marketing,how does this universe work for
you?
Tannaz (12:09):
So, so, so interesting.
And it's not that I don't wantto do marketing, I just never
felt the need to do it.
So my first client, my firstlike major clients, came from
the book club.
One of the girls in the bookclub that I have was like oh,
it'd be great.
Like I work for thiscorporation, I would love for
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you to speak.
Through that talk came a client, through that client came other
clients, and it kind of justbecame like a referral of people
, you know, telling the otherperson hey, like this is someone
who's been helping me navigatethrough X, y and Z.
So that's how the like that wasone stream of clients that came
to me.
And when I started the podcast,I started an Instagram page and
I would just share, I would like.
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Whatever I would read I would.
And if you go back to my oldposts, you'll see like the
quality of the posts were sodifferent and I would just I'm a
reader, so I would like create,write, like written posts and
fast forward like a couple ofyears.
One day I just had this likeintuition.
I was like I need to likeconnect with more women.
So I went on like meetup and Ifound like the first meetup
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group for women and I went thereand I connected with the one of
the wonderful, wonderful womanwho was there.
She was the leader.
We had a conversation and shewas like I've been wanting to do
a retreat.
I was like, oh my God, I wouldlove to do a retreat with you.
That's how the retreat came.
And then, while we werepreparing for the retreat, one
of my co-facilitators said it'stime for you to do videos.
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It's like if you watch my firstvideo, you will laugh, because
I was so stressed.
I was like holding my hands andI had to like re-record a
million times.
But it's like people came to meand said why don't we do this,
why don't we do that?
And I started, like you know,with my videos and then started
growing a community on socialmedia and now there's like some
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clients that come through thereand then some through referrals,
but it was just suggestions byothers that I didn't just see as
a coincidence.
I was like this is how you knowGod speaks to us light source
creation.
However, whatever you want tophrase it, my job is to just
show up and to take inspiredaction.
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So that's how the marketingworked.
Yuli (14:24):
That's amazing.
Well, thank you so much forsharing.
I think it's just so inspiringfor many people.
But I think what is wonderfulin your story that you know you
heard some of those things, youheard the signs and you didn't
just well, suddenly you actuallywent and did some actionable
steps with it, right, which Ithink a lot of people are
(14:45):
missing sometimes, and when theytry to manifest and they get
the sign, but then theself-doubt kicks in, right, just
like with your video story.
I'm sure, like for most people,when someone tells you you
should just go do a videos,first reaction would be, if
you're not used to that, right,you would cringe Like no,
absolutely not.
(15:06):
Like, I'm not good at this, Idon't like myself on camera,
this is going to be so stressful, I don't have time.
I mean, there's so many excuses, right, but you actually stuck
with it and not only recordedmillion times but had the
courage to upload it on YouTube.
So tell us about that.
Tannaz (15:27):
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
I want to really normalize whatyou said because you know I've
been recording since 2017 and Ithink it's only the past maybe
couple of months that I'vebecome comfortable with the
sound of my own voice.
So it took a long time to getto a place where because usually
when you hear yourself, you'relike, why do I sound like that?
(15:47):
And I'm currently completing mymaster's in counseling,
psychotherapy and my teacher isgiving me this feedback of you
have such a therapeutic voicelike it's so calming.
Only now am I becomingcomfortable.
So it's okay if you're notcomfortable with that which
you're uncomfortable overnight.
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Sometimes it takes up many,many, many years, but it's just
still showing up and doing itand, honestly, imposter syndrome
is real.
I had so much fear of judgmentbecause in my community you know
you're either a lawyer, adoctor or an engineer and these
(16:28):
are really the only respectablequote, unquote respectable
fields that you're in.
So for me to say I'm not goingto continue working in the legal
industry, my parents wereshooketh.
They were like, did you juststudy for like seven, eight
years to say, no, I'm doing aU-turn, what are we going to do?
(16:49):
Like, at first, my parentsthought this was a joke, this
was a hobby.
So I really not only was I likewhat am I doing?
But I was like I don't want toembarrass my family's name, I
don't want to embarrass myparents, I don't want all their
sacrifice to go.
I had like guilt.
So it was a lot of guilt, therewas a lot of fear, but I just
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kept remembering that, like youknow, no one's journey was
really smooth, Like Dr Nguyen'sjourney wasn't smooth.
Louise Hay's journey wasn'tsmooth.
This is just part of it, andpart of it also was I started
studying Kabbalah, and part ofthe teachings of Kabbalah is
everything comes from the lightand you chose this life.
So that was also a veryempowering thought for me
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personally of I chose it.
I'm here, I have to show up, Ihave to honor what is exciting
me, and if all theseopportunities are showing up,
it's not a coincidence.
It's coming from the light asproof of I'm on the right path.
So suck it up.
It's not about you, I kepttelling me.
It's not about you.
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It's about the change that yourwork will do.
It's about bigger than you.
Don't let the ego make youthink.
It's all about you.
So I had to keep remindingmyself of that over and over and
over again.
Yuli (18:05):
Wow, this resonates so much and, first of all, thank
you again for sharing so openly.
Well, just, you know, to touchback on the voice idea, like I
so agree, like we're all soself-critical ourselves, and it
definitely resonates with me.
I think, just I was listeningto my last recording of this
(18:29):
podcast and it's been almost twoyears of recording and for the
first time in my life I said, oh, wow, actually I sound good.
Finally, because before Ithought I would be too slow,
because you know, a lot ofpeople like people are impatient
these days and I just don'talways like have my thoughts
together because I record justorganically, right, so I don't
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have all my key points andsometimes I go long into some
topics and it would create someinsecurities.
But then I was talking to anamazing psychic and she said
that my voice is actually one ofmy healing tools and one of my
power tools.
And I said, wait a second, myvoice, this thing that I think,
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is like so imperfect that needsto work on, and it totally
changed my perspective.
So it took, like for me as well, almost two years to get to
this place.
And then another thing youmentioned this idea of family
expectations right and ourbackgrounds, and I mean again,
(19:34):
it resonates so much and I knowso many people that get into the
holistic, healing, coaching,spiritual teaching place.
A lot of them come from very,very different background and we
see more of that even thesedays.
It's becoming more of a stillnot a legitimate path, but we're
(19:55):
getting there, a moreacceptable path right for people
.
I'm just seeing it.
It's such a huge I call ittrend, but it's really.
It really is because peoplejust realize, oh, you can also
do this right.
There's just so many great rolemodels and examples now and you
being one of them.
So I think it's just such animportant conversation and I'm
(20:17):
grateful for people likeyourself who you know tip your
toes in the corporate legalworld and you were confident
enough to say no to all of thatwith all the perks and benefits,
and you know the material gainsthat you could have had and
really dedicate yourself to thepath.
(20:39):
It requires just such couragebecause it's so often
misunderstood, undervalued bysociety, by our own parents, and
it just takes so much likeinner strength to know that this
is your path.
And I agree just knowing,connecting to the spiritual
(21:00):
world and realizing this is thepath your soul chose for
yourself, or your higher selfchose it just.
It makes everything easier, butit's still not easy enough to
operate in our treaty worldright that leads by those rules
and those expectations andlabels.
Tannaz (21:17):
Yeah, a hundred percent.
I mean I guess you were sharingthat it's all these like
memories come back of, like youknow, even friends' judgments of
, like what's wrong with her?
Like why is she such a hippie?
Like hippie is the word right.
Who is such a hippie now?
What's wrong with her?
Why isn't she drinking anymore?
Why isn't she wearing, like youknow, designer clothes anymore?
(21:39):
Like it's a shift in identityand I think people who've been
with us, the older versions ofus, it's hard for them to also
grieve that version, and so wekind of need to create space for
people you know to see thisversion and to grieve the old
version.
So we've got to be compassionatewith them as well.
But it really is a process andjust again, like when a
(22:02):
challenge comes up, it's easierto say I'm going to go back to
what is easy, what iscomfortable, what is familiar,
what is quote, unquote secure,and saying you know, life is so
short to live life without thisfire within me.
When I was in Southeast Asia, Iwould have sometimes sessions at
(22:23):
4 am and 3 am because of timedifference, and there was never
a moment that I was sad aboutgetting up, even though I love
to sleep.
I was so excited and I was justlike you know what this is,
what life is about.
It's being excited about thework that you do and that
excitement helps propel youthrough the challenges that you
do and that excitement helpspropel you through the
(22:43):
challenges that are inevitable.
They will show up in any lifeand in any career.
But I think that passion andthat excitement, and just that
belief that it's about somethingbigger than me, really has
helped me not go back to mypeople-pleasing tendencies when
it comes to my family or changewho I really am, or mask or hide
(23:05):
parts of myself to fit intoplaces where I used to, you know
, be in the past.
Yuli (23:13):
How does your family accept it?
Now that you're moreestablished, I mean you're
booked with clients there's abook coming up that we haven't
mentioned yet.
I mean it seems like you really, you know, grounded yourself in
this as a career, right.
Did that change anything inyour immediate relationship with
friends and family, I thinkwith friends.
Tannaz (23:36):
definitely over the years With my family it was a
little bit harder, particularlywith my father.
Like I remember I first wrote abook on children it was a
children's spiritual book and hewas like that's so cute, like
it was for him.
I was like, oh, it's such acute thing.
You just said Okay, but likethat's a hobby.
And then I like partook in thisGuinness World Record book
(23:58):
project.
Again it was like, oh, okay,project.
Again it was like oh, okay,interesting.
And then this is the third book.
And now I think it's again.
And I understand.
You know parents haveexpectations and you know they.
They, as Eckhart Tolle says,they live their, their dreams
through us and it's never from aplace of ill intent, it's I
(24:20):
want the best for you andthat's's their perception of
best.
So, yeah, definitely.
I thought.
When my father came around, Iwas like, okay, the job's done,
cause my mom, she's always been,she was the spiritual one.
So she was all like, oh, I lovethat you're doing this, but I'm
still worried for you.
And now she's like, you know,now that I have a team and
everything, she's like okay,she's like you.
(24:41):
Like when I first startedbuilding my team, she's like wow
, you have a team.
I was like, yeah, she's likeokay, now I'm not worried
anymore For her.
That was her perception ofsuccess and you know they came
around with time but I, you knowI didn't try to fight them or
say like you have to see mewhere I am.
I kind of understood it and Ithink just not finding them
(25:05):
created space for that newvision of me to come to life.
Yuli (25:11):
That's beautiful.
Well, thank you for sharingthis personal story.
I intentionally asked youbecause I just feel like there's
so many listeners that canresonate with all of this,
everything that we're discussing.
Really, I think there's not oneperson who is in this holistic
healing space that has neverbeen questioned by society,
(25:33):
whether it's their immediatefamily or society in general,
and I think it's one of the mostimportant topics when we think
about empowerment of theholistic community.
I think society acceptance, Iwould say, would be a number one
on that list.
So the more we can talk aboutit.
(25:53):
I always create space for that,and thank you for bringing it
up because it wasn't actually onthe agenda.
Well, nothing was an agenda, sowe knew something is going to
come through, but I think thisone is a really strong one, and
then so, thank you for being anadvocate and sharing your story.
I think I also wanted to comeback to something that we
(26:14):
mentioned in the very beginningand this idea of the feminine
and masculine energy, and youstrike me as somebody so
balanced right, you have a team,you're running a business,
you're fully booked me assomebody so balanced right, you
have a team, you're running abusiness, you're fully booked.
You're this successfulentrepreneur, right?
Another word that people a lotof times avoid in this space.
Right, don't see themselves asentrepreneurs or business owners
(26:35):
, but you are.
But yet you balance this calm,collected, deep, spiritual side.
And I think it's another topicthat I love to discuss because,
as somebody who is also kind ofdancing between those two worlds
and really trying to find abalance, I mean, we're so many
(26:57):
different things right Every day, we're like so many different
hats, and I'm curious to hearyour perspective on that.
Tannaz (27:05):
Yeah, thank you for sharing and for bringing this
topic up.
So I think there's a lot ofcontent out there on women
should only be in their feminineand men should only be in their
masculine.
And you know, for me, in myopinion, that creates an
unhealthy experience of self.
And if we want to look into thefeminine and masculine energy,
(27:27):
we want to go to the root of it.
You know we come to yin andyang energy and the whole point
of the yin and yang is there aretwo parts of one whole.
It's creating that balance.
When we're too much into ourmasculine energy, I think that's
when we lead to burnout.
Too much into our masculineenergy, I think that's when we
lead to burnout.
And when we're too much in ourfeminine energy, I think
sometimes we lack the followthrough to bring the vision to
(27:50):
life.
And so for me, it's always whenI first became familiar with
these two topics, it was I hadto do a lot.
I'm a very like a nerd at heart, so I'm always like studying
and I love to understand that,similar to what you were saying,
like just like resonating morewith science-backed topics and
so really diving into.
(28:11):
Okay, what's the feminine energyabout?
The feminine energy is aboutintuition, it's about flow, it's
about surrender.
It's the playfulness yes,what's the masculine energy
about?
It's all about drive.
It's about taking inspiredaction.
It's about discipline.
Too much of one not great.
(28:31):
Too much of discipline is veryrigid.
What about soft discipline?
And that's the topic of myactually next book is how can we
create, cultivate the energy ofsoft discipline, meaning I show
up, but with grace.
I show up, I fall down, butinstead of being self-critical,
(28:53):
I understand that this is partof the journey and I get up and
I say I'm going to try again.
More compassion, moreself-forgiveness.
So it's not that we're notgoing to just pick one, we're
going to integrate the two.
And I see this Sometimes I seesomeone too much in their
feminine.
How do I know?
(29:13):
They're too much in theirfeminine and it's an
underdeveloped masculine.
They have a million and onebeautiful ideas, but they just
keep it at that level, at thatrealm.
It's like it comes.
So I always say like, if we'reusing our seven chakras, the
vision comes through the crown.
You see it through your eyes,you speak about it, you feel it
(29:34):
and when we get to the, you knowthe belly part.
That's the part, that's theyang energy of like activating
it, action, action.
It kind of gets stuck there andthey don't allow that vision to
be birthed through them.
With a little bit of drive, witha little bit of discipline,
kind of cultivating those traits, we can bring it into the realm
(29:54):
.
We can use our creative forceand we can ground with it on
this earth and we can becomethat medium.
So what I teach my clients allthe time is don't look over one
thing.
You can take that flowy energy,you can take that intuition
into the most male-orientedindustries and you can take that
(30:15):
discipline into the most fluidand creative industries.
You get to choose and it has tobe a play that feels a dance,
that feels grounded to you, easeto you.
You don't need to go throughlife in a fight or flight mode.
We can choose better forourselves.
(30:37):
We need to change.
This narrative of success ishard, it's challenging, but with
the right tools we can navigatethrough it with more ease and
grace.
That ease and grace, it'sactually my wife.
I use her name.
Ease and grace it's my favoritetwo words.
How can we live life throughease and grace?
(30:58):
So that's the balancing of thetwo.
Yuli (31:00):
That's so beautiful.
I was just taking mental notesas you were speaking because I
love this idea of birthingthings and the way you describe
it with the energy centers.
It's just such a beautifulvisual and this showing up with
grace is, you know, I can see itbecoming my little mantra of my
altar.
(31:21):
It just is really, reallybeautifully put.
I am excited for your book anddive deep into it Because, I
mean, the subject of disciplineis actually a very interesting
one for me as well.
I just feel like my experiencewith discipline and it's one of
my strongest qualities and thatsometimes, you know, causes me
to burn out.
But you know, my disciplinecomes from my background right,
(31:44):
growing up in the communistRussia, serving in the military
at some point of my life I mean,you name it there's just a lot
of my personal training, rightas a young adult, as a child,
was rooted in discipline andthat was the only way to succeed
(32:04):
or to even survive.
Right, forget succeed.
It wasn't back then, it wasn'tpart of the vocabulary, it was
more of a survival mode and theonly way to survive was through
discipline.
And I really mastered thatright, which is a great asset in
business but creates a verychallenging life often, so I
(32:26):
really this idea of softdiscipline really resonates with
me, as you can imagine.
Tannaz (32:32):
No, thank you for sharing that and you know, again
, eastern communities and youknow the backgrounds for me as
well discipline oof that had anegative connotation to it,
almost of like it's so rigid,rigid it's so strict and a very
disciplined father.
So I really had to learn,because that that was at the
(32:56):
beginning of my journey as well.
Extremely like so zero to 100,so quick, always going, going,
going, going, going, until Ideveloped an autoimmune disease
and I was like, okay, starteddoing the books.
I was like too much, too muchcortisol, too much fight or
flight.
Where are you racing?
(33:18):
To Be a little bit softer withyourself.
It's not because I was trainedas a child to focus on the
destination and I had to retrainand unlearn that.
It's not at all about thedestination, it's about the
journey.
Are you enjoying the process ofgetting there?
And so if I'm doing somethingand I notice it now too I put
(33:42):
reminders around everywhere,like these little notes and
post-itsits, and I put thesemessages for myself If I notice
that I'm feeling really tensedoing something, pause.
How can we bring more joy intothis?
How can we bring more playfulenergy into this?
How can we bring more softnessinto this?
Because if you're going to getthrough, like if I'm going to
(34:10):
create this product or createwhatever it is that I'm creating
with the energy of.
I need to get through this.
This needs to be done that yourenergy gets stuck to the
byproduct.
That's not the energy you wantto put out there.
You want to put the energy ofshe enjoyed doing it.
I can tell that it's a softenergy, it's a light energy, so
similar to what you were sharinga lot of.
(34:31):
I had to do a lot of unlearningaround destination versus
journey and retrain myself toenjoy the journey, and I want to
give this tip because it's sucha practical tip but one of the
easiest in my opinion.
One of the easiest ways to dothat, but most challenging as
well.
It turns easy.
It starts as challenging isthrough driving.
(34:53):
Can you enjoy the traffic?
Can you enjoy driving slowwithin the speed limit without
going like this?
And eventually you'll get to apoint where, like me, I got
pulled over by the cops in Japanbecause I was driving too slow
and I called my husband and he'slike I don't understand how
(35:14):
we're married because he alwaysgets pulled over for driving too
fast.
But traffic is a great way towork on that.
Yuli (35:21):
Amazing.
I love that story so much.
But you mentioned also anothertopic before that I would love
to just explore a little morewith you, because for me it's
another big and fascinating one,and it's this idea of taking an
inspired action.
Right, and I think this is fromworking in this holistic
(35:43):
community for a few years now.
This, I would say, say would bethe common thread among a lot
of people that have differentblocks and challenges in growing
their business.
Right, they, like you, saidexactly that example.
They get all those beautifulideas yeah, I want to do a
retreat, so I want to do thispractice, I want to do this
practice and then they findthemselves like a year later
(36:05):
okay, none of this kind of camethrough and life happened.
And you know, we all busy thesedays, no matter which part of
the world you live in, all of uskind of like multitask.
We have all those differentlives and obligations and you
just go through this day-to-daystuff and you forget your big
(36:27):
inspirations that come through.
You don't forget them, but youdon't know always what does the
inspired action look like?
Tannaz (36:37):
Yeah, honestly, collaboration For me it's been
collaboration it's when a visioncomes through and if I feel I
don't have not that I don't havethe drive, but I need help, we
all need help I reach out tosomeone that I know has shared
(37:00):
visions, similar visions, and Ipitch it.
I'm like do you want to do thistogether?
Visions and I pitch it.
I'm like do you want to do thistogether and just bringing
someone else's energy into it?
A, accountability and B twoinsights are more powerful than
one in my opinion, and so a lotof the things that I took
(37:21):
inspired action on were as aresult of collaboration.
My first retreat again, it was acollaboration like coaching
programs, collaboration sosometimes we need to come
partner up with someone else andbirth it together as a team.
And repetition, likeneuroplasticity, repetition
(37:42):
helps us build new neuralpathways.
So as you use, you know thebeauty of collaboration to build
that pathway of taking action.
It becomes easier to takeaction as a solo person later on
.
But I would say that I wouldsay reach out to people who are
(38:06):
doing similar things and holdeach other accountable and rise
together, and then you'll begetting into the habit of doing
it on your own.
Yuli (38:16):
This is such a beautiful and profound advice, thank you.
Thank you for articulating itso well.
I mean, you've just been areally wealth of inspiration.
I'm just so grateful to haveyour very balanced feminine and
masculine energy on this podcast, and I can't believe we're
running out of time and I feellike we definitely have room for
(38:40):
part two, hopefully one day.
And I just really wanted tothank you for, you know,
touching on so many big and deepsubjects in such a short period
of time and doing it soeloquently.
So you've been an amazingpartner to this conversation
already.
Thank you.
Tannaz (38:59):
Thank you, yuli, for creating the space.
I love the podcast.
I love you.
Know the business side of it isusually the side that is kind
of maybe scares people off andbringing different perspectives
into it and you know, I hopeyour audience is appreciative of
that because that's so amazingand it's so powerful with the
work that you do.
(39:19):
So thank you for creating thespace and I hope this served,
you know, the person who neededto hear it.
Yuli (39:27):
So thank you Absolutely, I have no doubt, and thank you
again for your kind words andfor all those vulnerable shares
and being here with us.
Thank you.
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