June 4, 2025 • 43 mins
Join us in this episode as Alessandro Grampa's journey from struggling startup founder to spiritual bridge-builder offers a powerful roadmap for navigating our increasingly complex world. Through raw vulnerability, he reveals how debilitating panic attacks and entrepreneurial burnout became the catalyst for a profound healing journey spanning Buddhist meditation, scientific biohacking, and transformative plant medicine ceremonies.
What makes Alessandro's perspective particularly valuable is his systematic approach to what he calls "the trinity" of healing - addressing body, mind, and soul as interconnected systems. His scientific background combined with spiritual exploration positions him uniquely to translate between worlds that often struggle to communicate. From discovering how gluten sensitivity contributed to years of depression to receiving clear guidance through shamanic ceremonies, his story demonstrates how personal healing becomes the foundation for helping others.
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Yuli (00:04):
Welcome to the Healist Podcast, where we inspire and
guide healers through businessexpansion.
We give voice to incrediblyabundant healers to share their
stories.
We dive into the quantum fieldto unlock the energies of
conscious creation.
We also develop digital toolsto help you grow, which you can
(00:25):
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I'm your host, Yuli, and I'mgrateful you chose to join this
space.
Now let's go deep.
Hello, my dear friends, welcometo another insightful episode of
the Healist podcast, and todaywe have a special guest from all
the way across the world,alessandro Grampa.
(00:47):
He's a serial impactentrepreneur on a mission to
bridge ancient wisdom and modernscience to peak performance.
Founder of Whole Grain Wisdomand with 11 plus years in the
startup world, he blends mindfulliving as a Buddhist and
digital nomad with practicalscientific biohacking protocols.
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He's dedicating his life tohelping people thrive and he
does this by sharing the wisdomhe learned himself in the
trenches.
And today we thought to touch alittle bit on different topics
of building resilience andnavigating uncharted waters that
(01:31):
I think so many of us are doingthese days, at least here in
the US, and maybe Alessandro canbring some of that global
perspective to this conversationas well, since he's been
traveling the world and livingand visiting some incredible
places, and so really good tohave you here.
(01:52):
Thank you for joining, and Ilike to set intention for each
episode and for this one.
Yeah, I would love to bring,like I said, that kind of global
perspective.
Give us something we're so in aday to day-day and a day-to-day
so different every day andthings, and there's turmoils
happening.
I would love to share somedifferent perspective, maybe
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today, and I have a feelingsomehow that you're going to
give us that differentperspective.
No pressure, so welcome.
Alessandro (02:21):
Wonderful.
Thanks, Julie, and very nice tobe here.
As you said, we are far apartfrom the world.
So good morning for you andgood evening for me.
It's kind of funny having thisconversation.
They feel so natural eventhough we're so distant.
Yuli (02:35):
Absolutely, and you know, just to give people a little bit
of a background, we actuallymet, I think, through LinkedIn,
completely randomly, as we bothare sharing this content on
wellness and entrepreneurshipand maybe some biohacking
longevity and somehow weconnected and this is what
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happens.
And this is not to stray awayfrom our topic, but we talk a
lot here about putting yourselfout there right and sharing your
wisdom, and I can't tell youhow many times I tell healers
you know more than you realizeand you have so much to share
with people.
All those things are completelyobvious to you.
They're so needed in this worldright now, and we met simply by
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sharing content.
Alessandro (03:23):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, I've been in this
journey specifically about beingvery active simply by sharing
content.
Yeah, yeah, definitely, I'vebeen in this journey
specifically about being veryactive on social just very few
kind of selected social.
I only work with LinkedIn andYouTube at the moment because,
to be honest, the other ones are.
I feel the engagement and theattention of people is so low in
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the other platforms that it'sprobably just too much noise.
It's quite a waste of goodconnections.
I believe LinkedIn definitelyis the good platform.
It's getting worse,unfortunately.
I've seen this getting worse andworse in the past years with
the AI-generated contents andthese huge influencers.
I mean behind is just tacticsand algorithms pumping.
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But fortunately, these kind ofconnections that are to me like
what technology allows right,because I'm traveling the world
but at the same time, I'm ableto connect with people like you
and yeah, and hopefully throughentanglement, somehow kind of
build stronger connections thatgo beyond just the screen and
the internet.
I love it.
We always have to believe inentanglement, somehow kind of
build stronger connections thatgo beyond just the screen and
the internet.
Yuli (04:27):
I love it.
We always have to believe inentanglement, Like no AI can
ever break the laws of quantumphysics right.
Alessandro (04:35):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And for me this has been reallylike the entrance gate because,
as you mentioned, I'm anentrepreneur.
I don't come from the spiritualworld.
I got into the spiritual worldbecause of no other way to
survive Like the past seven,eight years of having a company
(04:58):
Actually, I started when I was19, but the first one was not
that kind of a nightmare, Iwould say, compared to the last
one.
Like the last one we really wentall in and we got to like
almost a million dollarsrevenues and we went to like
team of 12.
So we got investors.
So there's been a huge pressureand I like to say that that
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experience has been kind of likemy wake-up call and a little
bit of the start of the healingjourney.
So I can share a lot moredetails if you want, but just to
sum up, yeah, for me science isvery important and I'm very
glad, I'm very happy thatfinally it seems, at least for
me, that we are reconnecting thedots.
So we just finished a very bigera of like splitting and
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separation and now, fortunately,we're getting back together I
love that.
Yuli (05:52):
Yeah, the, the, the connection between this nature
and a holistic, healing worldand science.
I I feel the same.
It.
It's finally happening, there'sglimpses of it.
There is still resistance inthe community I would say
especially in the scientificcommunity but those worlds are
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emerging.
So I'm curious to see what kindof.
You mentioned your experienceas an entrepreneur, right, your
experience as an entrepreneur,right.
Let's talk a little bit aboutresilience and like what was
that moment that you discoveredthat kind of the old way is not
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going to work and you have tocome up with a new set of tools.
What was that awakening processwas like for you?
Alessandro (06:39):
Yeah, so it was quite long, I would say, which,
from what I'm reading now, it'skind of like the normal path of
healing the more bad things, themore rocks that you need to
kind of get empty from your soul, the more the work to be done.
But for me, everything reallystarted consciously when I got
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to a point where I was having somany panic attacks every single
day that I couldn't functionanymore.
And I say this quite often inevery show that I speak to,
because the reality is that alot of people are not talking
publicly about this and sothere's still kind of a stigma
or a taboo behind beingvulnerable in that sense.
(07:26):
But the reality is, especiallywhen it comes to founders 73% of
them are neurodiverse andliterally almost everyone has
these problems.
So they just don't either showit in public or, some even worse
cases, they don't even takeaction.
But yeah, so for me, I wentinto breathing, breathing
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exercises, breathing meditationswhen I really couldn't function
anymore.
I'm an ADHD person I don't knowif you say I have it or I am,
but anyway and and I grew up ina family where these things are,
were not taught about.
I never went to a therapist or,let's say like to a proper
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program of like differentsessions with a therapist, and
probably by never beingconsidered like a special,
different person.
I would say that, lookingbackward right now, it was kind
of my gift somehow.
I mean, if we consider that wechoose the parents and the first
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seven years of our lives, thenI definitely chose to suffer a
lot, be not understood for along time, even though my
parents were great I mean, theyreally did everything they could
, but there was literally verylittle awareness about these
topics.
And after six months ofbreathing exercises, it was just
(08:52):
a very simple meditation that Iwas running on loop on Spotify.
It was September, yeah, and Iwas born I'm born on the 31st of
May, so for me the beginning ofthe year has always been kind
of like the beginning of newschool year, and so for that
year I said, okay, what's my newintention coming back from
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holidays, of the summer holidays?
And I said, okay, I want tolearn how to meditate, because
breathing somehow I gotconnected with meditation.
I said, okay, who doesmeditation?
And somehow, immediately theBuddhism came to my mind.
I always said that if I everbelieved in any religion, I
would have been Buddhist.
(09:34):
I said this since I was a kid.
It was crazy how connecting thedots backwards makes complete
sense, and so I looked on Googleand I found a meditation
Buddhist center in Milan, whereI was living at the time, and
somehow I got into the world.
I still remember the first timethat I that I visited the
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center, only two people werethere, because it was just after
the summer course that theynormally held in Germany and so
very few people were there.
But the two people there, theywelcomed me and they hugged me.
They didn't ask me who I was,what was my name, where I came
from, what job I did, and so on.
So that was really like thefirst, probably awakening moment
(10:21):
of saying, hmm, there isanother way that people live in
and I'm not aware of.
So long story short, those yearspassed and I kept attending
classes and studying andmeditating.
It's from the Diamond Waylineage, it's like one of the
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direct lineages from theKarmakaju lineages of the
Tibetan Buddhism, and thishelped me a lot, because I've
been always, like, very fond onhaving a morning routine and my
morning routine was alwayswaking up at 6.30 and do
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meditation.
So that really helped me a lot,like decreasing the stress,
handling a bit better, thefights with my co-founders and
with some of my employeesdecreased, and so on and so
forth, until COVID happened.
So what happened during COVID?
Pretty much like anyone else, Iwas stuck in a tiny house Well,
not even a house, it was like asmall apartment and I stopped
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moving completely.
I was already not even a houseit was like a small apartment
and I stopped moving completely.
I was already not doing a lotof sports back then, but really
that time was killing me.
And during those years well,during the lockdowns, I remember
that I connected with afunctional doctor who, for the
first time in 12 years, aftertons of medical exams and so on,
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without like finding nothingabout my health and trying to
solve random stuff that neverreally brought me any better any
farther he just told me lookfor the problem that you have.
I was having like swollenthroat and in general, like
gastrointestinal problems sincemany, many years.
He said take out gluten, takeout lactose.
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And my background is ingastronomy.
My bachelor is in gastronomicsciences, so I already had
knowledge into chemistry, food,nutrition and so on from a
scientific perspective.
But that was really the timewhere I understood.
What they taught me wasn'tcomplete at university and so I
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stopped Gruten and after thefirst four to five days,
something like that I woke up inthe morning one day and I still
remember it I didn't have brainfog for the first time in 15
years and I was like, is thisreally how people are supposed
to live?
And then I discovered thatgluten sensitivity comes out
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days after you actually eatgluten.
So it's not something like youcan really understand
immediately, and the majority ofthe tests, the scientific tests
, are not like sensing thesensitivity because in many
cases it's really too complexfor the current exams.
So I realized also that mychronic depression disappeared
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and it was strictly connected tome eating gluten.
It was unbelievable, and sothat really sparked my interest
into biohacking andunderstanding from a more
contemporary, modern, scientificpoint of view what is really
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good for your health and what isnot.
And then of course,understanding, like in my
previous university.
I come from kind of like a slowfood background, so I was
already in contact and aware ofhealthy food, mindful eating and
so on.
But they all said the problemwith the current you know bread
(14:00):
that you don't digest or thecurrent milk that you cannot
digest is because it'sindustrial, only that, and then
you should buy sourdough breadand it's going to be fine.
Yeah, well, it's not for me andnot for the majority of the
gluten sensitive people outthere.
So, into biohacking, Idiscovered all of the reasons
why these things happen and, yes, some of them have a reason due
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to, like industrialization andthe way that we process food,
but in many other cases it'sjust also connections with the
way they are produced, theenergy that they have inside.
I mean, it's a much morecomplex topic.
And then the last piece of thepuzzle, so I like to call, like
the three, the trinity body,mind and soul.
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So I worked on the mind withthe meditation, the body with
the biohacking.
The last very big piece for mewas going back to Colombia.
I lived in Colombia many yearsago with my now wife and we did
some work with shamans, but onlyacupuncture, no real plant
medicine and so on.
We didn't feel ready back then,but we came back to get married
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.
We actually did a beautifulceremony, just the two of us in
the jungle, with the shaman.
We didn't take medicine backthen.
I did it the weekend afterwardsand, my gosh, that really
changed completely my life Inone night, through ayahuasca
experience, I downloaded likethe plan for the next 10 years.
It was already like I had somany questions and I was able to
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go so deep for the very firsttime taking the medicine.
I already worked withpsychedelics before, but nothing
, nothing comparable to thisexperience.
And I really feel that Ireceived like a very clear
message and path.
And this is my mission now,because the medicine told me I
asked the medicine, well, first,shall I keep my current company
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at the time, which we wereworking on vertical farming and
so on and technology, and orshall I leave it immediately and
in general, what is my missionhere?
And the medicine first told meyou should keep going as far as
you can.
You will receive a message veryclear that is going to be like
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not mistaken when you're goingto arrive, for when to leave
your current company, but yourmission is to develop technology
for elevating the human mind.
So from there, months passed andprocesses in my head and
talking to different people.
I did some hypnosis as well witha very good person that I
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worked with in the past in Milan, and you all kind of went into
this vision of merging ancientwisdom with science, because the
reality is that the majority ofthe world speaks science, and
it's also religion in some cases, because in many cases it
became a dogma.
(16:58):
So if people don't want to seewhat is beyond science, because
science doesn't get there yetand it's funny because then you,
you explain them.
But look, it's not thatbacteria never existed until
they discovered them, like theywere always there.
We just simply didn't know howto to see them and you actually
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had a lot of people dyingbecause of bacterial infections.
So this is exactly the samesituation now, and quantum
physics is in the middle.
For me, like, imagine thetriangle of the Trinity.
Quantum physics is what speaksexactly the language of
everything, and if you arefamiliar with the work of Nassim
Aramein and people like him,you really understand that the
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math is there to explain everysingle thing that spirituality
has been saying for thousands ofyears.
It's crazy.
Yuli (17:53):
Well, let me process this.
Thank you for sharing withTrinity.
I just love this analogy too,and I can totally see the entire
process of that's happening,and I'm always it's been painful
.
Alessandro (18:08):
Now I smile, but I cried a lot.
Yuli (18:11):
I'm sure it's not as beautiful as the Trinity that we
imagined, but I think many ofus have been there some longer,
some shorter, some more painful,some less, but it definitely
can relate to all of this,definitely can relate to all of
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this.
And when you mentioneddiscovering, like going through
this process with the help ofsome guides, some different
modalities, you know, from theBuddhist people that are hugging
you, embracing you into theircommunity, to you know the
shamanic ceremony.
You know the shamanic ceremony,it seems, and I think it's true
for many people.
We need those guides in ourlife, right?
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Sometimes it's things that'shappening to us, but many times
it's the things that arehappening to us, plus the guides
we meet along the way that showus a better way.
They show us something that wehaven't seen before, you know,
whether it's hypnotherapy orshamanism, whatever it is, and I
just find that to be reallyfascinating, how a lot of the
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stories basically come to thesame, more or less the same
process, right?
Yeah definitely yeah, and I'mcurious about your work with
those healers and practitioners.
And then how does it tie to thething that you mentioned to me
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separately that a lot of themactually come to you now for
business advice?
Alessandro (19:47):
Yeah, this is one of those things that you really
don't plan and the universe putsyou like in front and and yeah,
I think in this specific caseis it's been one of the the very
first like clear evidence of amanifestation that I was
focusing on in the past monthsbecause it really went like
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super fast.
So I was manifesting this newkind of work and new focus,
helping people unleash theirhighest potential through
science and nation wisdom and soon, and I was living, which is
one of the Canary Islands.
We were back there with my wifein October yeah, october last
year and we went to this amazingco-living focused on
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spirituality.
So everyone was kind of asolopreneur, entrepreneur slash
freelancer.
So we all work during the daybut, like in the morning we were
having yoga classes,meditations together and so on
and chit-chatting with the, withall the people there.
Some of them were runningbusinesses connected deeply with
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like consciousness and andhealing practices and so on, and
I and I realized that, like allof my experience in the
business part was very helpfulfor them.
But I also felt that unless youspoke the same language, it was
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very hard to connect from adeeper level, because if you
talk business only somehowyou're not in the same vibration
.
I mean, you're definitely intoa lower vibration than somebody
that is really like into thehealing practices and so on.
For some reason, I believe I'min between still, I'm still able
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to do the bridge to this.
And I add what this person first, with Ecoliving, is launching
different experiences.
He renewed completely his brandstrategy, made it clear because
, like, he was putting out therea ton of different things Ah
yeah, but I do this in thislanguage, this in the other
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language and then I offered thisopportunity and then I offered
that opportunity.
It's like, yeah, but how peopleare supposed to even understand
what you have in your head islike too messy, and so we work
together to like with differentsystems and kind of models that
I that I get, that I got and Ilearned through through, through
the different startupexperiences, like one of the
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typical kind of acceleratorcanvas that they give you to to
make sense of what is in yourhead.
And another person as well thatwas working on a community of
women for, like, health relatedto their cycle and good
nutrition and so on and so forth.
So it was funny because Iwasn't really looking for those
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things, for those things.
They just came to me and theyall told me Ale, you are
actually our version of ourmanifestation, Like we were
manifesting to finally findsomebody that could help us make
sense of what it was for us inour business, and very nice
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conversations during that periodwas a big realization as well.
That, because I come from such ascientific grounded point of
view and then I got intospirituality, I really have a
very good infrastructure likesolid infrastructure, solid
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ground to like make things, likemake sense of things.
Right, whether on the oppositeside, I actually had a lot of
like sharing from people likethat they have issues because
they say, look, I'm great atconnecting with spirit guides,
I'm great at like emotionallydeeply connect when I do certain
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kind of activities with my, myclients or the people that I'm
in a retreat with, and so on,but then when it comes to like
grounding it down from a purematerialistic perspective,
they're not grounded enough andit's a nightmare for them and I
and I totally see this.
So, yeah, I think it's anightmare for them and I and I
totally see this.
So, yeah, I think it's asanything that needs balance.
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It's always like even somethingas how do you say materialistic
, as making money and making abusiness work needs needs to
have, like some, some properstrategy, right, right, no,
absolutely I can relate toeverything you were saying.
Yuli (24:28):
I feel like maybe that's why we connected, because I
that's how.
No, absolutely I can relate toeverything you were saying.
I feel like maybe that's why weconnected, because that's how I
, literally the way you describeyourself as a bridge, that's
how I describe myself that I canwalk between those worlds just
like shamans do, right, but myworlds are the business world
and this world of spiritualityand, just like yourself, world
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and this world of spiritualityand just like yourself, you know
, I've firstly been groundedwith a business experience, even
though I had amazing spiritualmoments as a child and somehow I
stumbled upon studyingmeditation when I was 12 and
then astrology when I was 16.
But it was always kind of.
You know my secret hobbies,right, it wasn't something that
I was leading with.
I was always, first of all, abusiness person, a tech
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entrepreneur, and then, when Igot into deeper into
spirituality, that's where Istarted feeling as well Okay, I
can speak both languages andactually both communities
understand me, and I think wewere probably placed on this
earth for some reason.
Right, and that's how I feel.
That's why my work is so deeplymission driven.
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It's not a question, you know,whether I should continue this
podcast or not.
It's just like I have to do itbecause I feel like not many
people talk about this, aboutthis much needed bridge right
now and how the people thoseamazing, gifted, talented people
that dedicate their lives toserving others and being the
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spiritual guides how much theyneed this grounding, even though
they often don't comerequesting it right, they often
say, well, I don't needmarketing, it's not how I
operate, or I don't want tobuild business structures.
But I think many of themfinding themselves in a
situation where they're kind offorced to figure that out right,
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and at least get comfortableand find their own authentic way
of whether it's doing marketingor structuring or organizing
their business in a way thatmakes sense to them.
But they have to claim it Right.
I think, like step one is alwaysjust claim that you are a solo
entrepreneur, right,entrepreneur.
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Right that you are a smallbusiness owner.
Like you have your own practice.
If, if most of your paycheckdoesn't come from a corporate or
a big company, you are, bydefinition, an entrepreneur.
So that's a lot of my.
But I've seen from my side andI'm curious what do you see from
your side working with thiswonderful community?
Alessandro (27:06):
well, what I noticed for sure is that I don't know I
mean I don't have enoughscientifically, like
statistically evident proof, butmy intuition made me understand
that the majority of peoplethat come with this knowledge
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and also the skills, they arerelatively good at starting up
like zero to one.
Like I have an idea and that'smy calling and I want to put it
out there, and I don't know likeI make an Instagram page and I
get a bunch of thousandfollowers and then from there
somehow I managed to get aconversion of some kind.
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Where I've seen most of thestruggle is going from one to 10
and then 10 to multiples,because, of course, there is no
structure, there is no knowledgeof how to do this kind of
structure, and I believe it'salso because the way that we run
our businesses today it's verydifferent than a natural kind of
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ecosystemic point of view thata normal village or tribe would
go.
Of course, all of them don'tnecessarily want to have like a
super hierarchical structure andmore horizontal and so on, but
startups got there much before,like in the past.
You have people like you havecompanies from the 90s in
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Silicon Valley.
Even before that they brokedown hierarchical structures and
they're like fully going likehorizontal and giving people
like authority for doing whatthey believe it's right.
But somehow planning thisprocess it's not easy.
So it happens sometimes thatyou have I call them founders,
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just because it's kind of like aterminology that is closer to
me with my background.
You have these founders thatneed to plan hiring.
They need to understand howmany events to do in a certain
time and how to structure thebrand so that it's clear what
they're communicating.
It's one single thing.
(29:21):
Then of course, it translatesinto different products, but
it's one thing.
It's not tons of differentproducts, but it's one thing.
It's not tons of differentproduct and tons of different
things at the same time andworking on this with them,
things that really come naturalfor me probably I mean for sure,
because of the experience sofar.
For them it's like, oh, wow,okay, we are making sense now.
(29:43):
And it's funny because Iactually quite recently, since a
few months, started to workwith a channeler and I connected
with my guides to understand alittle bit more, like on a daily
basis, where to focus on and soon.
And when the channelerconnected the very first time,
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she was mind blown because shesaw like tons of like kind of
you know the green wheels of themachineries I don't know how to
describe them in English Likeshe's seen like a huge screen
with all of these machineryclicking and clocking together
(30:26):
and then like being completelycoherent, and she was like, oh
wow, you're really likeconnecting the dots and making
like everything coherent andmaking sense between the
different topics and so on.
So, yeah, probably this issomething that comes very
natural to me and back then,back when you were saying being
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a bridge, I think for us it's abig duty that in some cases I
feel like I would kind of liketo escape sometimes from, in the
sense that I give you anexample Last week I was in Kuala
Lumpur.
It's a huge city Well, notnecessarily huge, but you feel
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that it's a very chaotic,urbanized place and I was coming
from two and a half months innature.
I was living in a couple ofislands between Thailand and
Malaysia and when I got there,immediately I started feeling
rushed and stressed and that wasreally my realization of like
(31:31):
electromagnetic frequencyoverload and all of these
different overload of signals,and I couldn't dream anything
else than just getting back tonature.
And during those days Iconnected with.
I worked again.
I had another session with thechanneler and she told me Ale,
(31:52):
the city is the place where youwere born, you grew up, you
speak their language.
You cannot escape from them.
You need to go back to the city, use a different bunch of
different techniques that Iwon't explain here, like to be
healthy and to be mindful andpresent also in cities, because
it's very easy to be in nature.
It's another thing to do it inthe city, but the people that
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are in the city are also theones that really need the most
this kind of work.
Yuli (32:21):
All right.
Well, I could have said thatmyself too.
Stop reading my mind.
No, we have such similarexperiences, you know, and I'm
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fortunate to live just an houraway from New York City and it
used to be my place that I lovedso much and I drew so much
energy from, and as I moved outto nature, I find myself with
the same kind of thing I can,but what I found is that works
well for me is the micro dosingof the city right.
Getting just to now and goingwith this conscious intention.
I'm getting there to get thatboost of energy because it is a
beautiful energy in the city Imean, especially a city like
Manhattan, which is stillchaotic but it has its own like
rhythm happen, which is stillchaotic but it has its own like
(33:07):
rhythm right, and the beautifulpeople that occupy it and really
see it as this like experienceto draw some of that energy in,
because I find myself in nature.
It took me a while to find therhythm right and the same
productivity that you get fromthose places.
So I think it's that beautifulbalance right, and I do think
(33:29):
people like us, probably becausewe're bridges, we probably need
both right.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
I love that, and so let's.
Is there anything else you wouldlike to share with our audience
?
Is there anything else like youmentioned your channel or that
you work with.
That I love as well, and Iprobably.
(33:49):
I have a couple that I workwith and I always get some
really incredible insights.
Is there anything that comes tomind that we want to channel to
our beautiful audience as akind of a wrap up for this
episode, as a kind of a wrap-upfor this episode.
Alessandro (34:08):
Yeah, I think I would love to connect and give
kind of like my two cents on thecurrent situation of where
humanity is going, the world isgoing.
You told me before hitting therecord button that a lot of the
community is feeling ungrounded,doesn't really know where we're
going.
And my perspective againbridging the business part, the
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economic part and the futurefrom a consciousness point of
view, the idea that I made formyself, which is, of course, not
my own opinion only, it's beenshared and kind of like
reiterated and reconfirmed by alot of the people that I follow
in their work.
What I'm seeing is that, on oneend, a lot of very, very good
(35:01):
and successful people in thebusiness and science world are
really turning intoacknowledging fully the essence
of spirituality.
And there is one video, oneinterview that I share to pretty
much all of my directconnections, which is an
(35:23):
interview from Federico Faggin,which is the inventor of the
silicon.
So Silicon Valley wouldn'texist if it was not for him.
He's a physicist, italian thatmoved into Silicon Valley before
it was even called SiliconValley.
He got like awards fromPresident Obama.
I mean, it's a very successfulperson.
He's in the late, late 70s,early 80s, right now and he
(35:45):
turned completely like his lifeand his legacy now is about
talking about AI and technologyin general with a lens of
understanding how quantumphysics work and how
consciousness works.
And for me and people likehearing these people and people
(36:09):
like him, confirming what I'vebeen studying on my own, is
really a confirmation that theworld is changing.
We are going into a mergerbetween technology and humans.
This is inevitable.
We cannot really escape escape,let's say, from from from this
trend, and I also like whatmatthias de stefano I don't know
(36:32):
if you're familiar with thisperson talks a lot about.
He's a rememberer, so he does alot of work reconnecting with
his past lives and and bringingalso the ancient wisdom of
what's the name of thepopulation before, like the
previous big Atlantis.
Yes, so I am seeing like.
(36:54):
The real question is what isgoing to happen like between now
and the next 10 years and thenfrom 10 year onwards, because
now we are in the complete messof a change of paradigm.
You have the American empirethat is going down.
(37:16):
You have the Chinese empirethat is on the rise, but at the
same time, the Chinese empiredoesn't seem, at least for now,
as like imperialistic minded asthe, the, the, the powers of the
west, like us first, when usmost recently, uk before,
(37:36):
netherlands before, and so onthey did in the past.
So probably there are somepeople that say, probably
because china was already anempire in the in the past and it
collapsed, so they already knowthat if they really want,
because China was already anempire in the past and it
collapsed, so they already knowthat if they really want to
expand like as an empire, atsome point they will collapse
(37:58):
too.
So there is surely like a bigrivalry growing between the West
and not really the East, butlike mostly like the Chinese
minded block.
Let's say like the Chineseminded block.
Let's say then this is going tobe affecting a lot the economy.
I mean, we are seeing nowwhat's happening with the
tariffs and so on.
It's all just about reassetinglike the different positions,
(38:18):
like as a chess game.
It sounds like weird to saythat people are playing chess,
but probably that's really whatis happening.
And so this is one thing froman economic perspective.
Then, on the other perspective,you have AI, which is going to
take literally everything thatwe're doing, that is considered
(38:39):
to be a machine-like job and, tobe honest, I don't see this as
a negative thing, because thereality is that we've been
forced for very too long to workon machine-like jobs that are
completely dehumanizing ourexperience of life.
So those are going to bereplaced in these 10 years.
(39:02):
While the replacements goes on,our countries are going to do
universal basic income.
Our country is going to do somekind of resistance to it we
don't really know.
But after then, the work thatthe healing community is already
doing, it's really going to bethe only work that matters
(39:30):
Because, yeah, there will be abunch of scientists and a bunch
of very technical people thatare going to be the ones
supervising and further like,implementing the technologies
that are being developed, eventhough AI is going to engineer
itself because it's going to beso smart.
So, probably or even the humanscouldn't do a job like a better
job than the AI training itsown AI algorithm, and so what's
(39:53):
left?
Everything that's left is beinghuman, finally back as a human,
connecting peer-to-peer,sharing energy, doing the
healing work.
Even for me, I come from thegastronomy part and I always say
gastronomy and all of theartisan work is going to boom
(40:15):
again, because people don't needto work in McDonald's and flip
burgers.
Maybe they're really going touse their own passion to make
gourmet burgers or you knowwhatever gastronomic experiences
and machines are not going todo this.
So actually it's a very goodthing what's happening if you're
(40:37):
ready, but of course it can bescary if you don't see the whole
picture because you're missingthe parts right.
You're just seeing the noise.
You're just seeing the media,all of this nonsense that they
just keep pushing on your brainso that your hypothalamus goes
under stress.
It's all meant because theyneed to make money in the
(40:58):
meantime, because they know thatthey're not going to make money
any longer.
But I see this as a verypositive direction and of course
, we all need the healingcommunity and all of the people
that can connect to a highervibration to guide all of the
people that are going to be sodesperate in the next 10 years
(41:19):
that they're going to turneither to violence and extremism
, but I believe in many morecases they're going to turn to
spirituality because they needto give sense of this life.
Yuli (41:35):
Well, I had a feeling you're going to bring some
incredible perspective to us andyou did, and I couldn't agree
more.
I think absolutely.
I keep saying healers are theguides in this new awakening age
and we need this community morethan ever.
(41:56):
And they don't see themselvesas very important now, maybe,
but we know that they areimportant and what can we do to
empower them and to takeownership of this very important
job that they're placed here todo, and what tools and skills
(42:16):
we can help them gain so theycan create more impact in this
very important time?
So thank you again for bringingthis perspective to this
podcast, to our community.
I just love, love connecting.
I recently had a chance toconnect with more kind of people
from the internationalcommunity and I just love those
conversations because I feellike sometimes, here being in
(42:39):
New York specifically, you feellike you're in a bubble.
So thanks for taking us out ofthis bubble and reminding us of
what's truly important.
It was such a pleasure havingyou.
Alessandro (42:50):
As well, Julie.
Thanks so much.
Welcome to the Healist Podcast, where we inspire and
guide healers through businessexpansion.
We give voice to incrediblyabundant healers to share their
stories.
We dive into the quantum fieldto unlock the energies of
conscious creation.
We also develop digital toolsto help you grow, which you can
(00:25):
find on healistcom.
I'm your host, Yuli, and I'mgrateful you chose to join this
space.
Now let's go deep.
Hello, my dear friends, welcometo another insightful episode of
the Healist podcast, and todaywe have a special guest from all
the way across the world,alessandro Grampa.
(00:47):
He's a serial impactentrepreneur on a mission to
bridge ancient wisdom and modernscience to peak performance.
Founder of Whole Grain Wisdomand with 11 plus years in the
startup world, he blends mindfulliving as a Buddhist and
digital nomad with practicalscientific biohacking protocols.
(01:09):
He's dedicating his life tohelping people thrive and he
does this by sharing the wisdomhe learned himself in the
trenches.
And today we thought to touch alittle bit on different topics
of building resilience andnavigating uncharted waters that
(01:31):
I think so many of us are doingthese days, at least here in
the US, and maybe Alessandro canbring some of that global
perspective to this conversationas well, since he's been
traveling the world and livingand visiting some incredible
places, and so really good tohave you here.
(01:52):
Thank you for joining, and Ilike to set intention for each
episode and for this one.
Yeah, I would love to bring,like I said, that kind of global
perspective.
Give us something we're so in aday to day-day and a day-to-day
so different every day andthings, and there's turmoils
happening.
I would love to share somedifferent perspective, maybe
(02:13):
today, and I have a feelingsomehow that you're going to
give us that differentperspective.
No pressure, so welcome.
Alessandro (02:21):
Wonderful.
Thanks, Julie, and very nice tobe here.
As you said, we are far apartfrom the world.
So good morning for you andgood evening for me.
It's kind of funny having thisconversation.
They feel so natural eventhough we're so distant.
Yuli (02:35):
Absolutely, and you know, just to give people a little bit
of a background, we actuallymet, I think, through LinkedIn,
completely randomly, as we bothare sharing this content on
wellness and entrepreneurshipand maybe some biohacking
longevity and somehow weconnected and this is what
(02:56):
happens.
And this is not to stray awayfrom our topic, but we talk a
lot here about putting yourselfout there right and sharing your
wisdom, and I can't tell youhow many times I tell healers
you know more than you realizeand you have so much to share
with people.
All those things are completelyobvious to you.
They're so needed in this worldright now, and we met simply by
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sharing content.
Alessandro (03:23):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, I've been in this
journey specifically about beingvery active simply by sharing
content.
Yeah, yeah, definitely, I'vebeen in this journey
specifically about being veryactive on social just very few
kind of selected social.
I only work with LinkedIn andYouTube at the moment because,
to be honest, the other ones are.
I feel the engagement and theattention of people is so low in
(03:44):
the other platforms that it'sprobably just too much noise.
It's quite a waste of goodconnections.
I believe LinkedIn definitelyis the good platform.
It's getting worse,unfortunately.
I've seen this getting worse andworse in the past years with
the AI-generated contents andthese huge influencers.
I mean behind is just tacticsand algorithms pumping.
(04:07):
But fortunately, these kind ofconnections that are to me like
what technology allows right,because I'm traveling the world
but at the same time, I'm ableto connect with people like you
and yeah, and hopefully throughentanglement, somehow kind of
build stronger connections thatgo beyond just the screen and
the internet.
I love it.
We always have to believe inentanglement, somehow kind of
build stronger connections thatgo beyond just the screen and
the internet.
Yuli (04:27):
I love it.
We always have to believe inentanglement, Like no AI can
ever break the laws of quantumphysics right.
Alessandro (04:35):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And for me this has been reallylike the entrance gate because,
as you mentioned, I'm anentrepreneur.
I don't come from the spiritualworld.
I got into the spiritual worldbecause of no other way to
survive Like the past seven,eight years of having a company
(04:58):
Actually, I started when I was19, but the first one was not
that kind of a nightmare, Iwould say, compared to the last
one.
Like the last one we really wentall in and we got to like
almost a million dollarsrevenues and we went to like
team of 12.
So we got investors.
So there's been a huge pressureand I like to say that that
(05:21):
experience has been kind of likemy wake-up call and a little
bit of the start of the healingjourney.
So I can share a lot moredetails if you want, but just to
sum up, yeah, for me science isvery important and I'm very
glad, I'm very happy thatfinally it seems, at least for
me, that we are reconnecting thedots.
So we just finished a very bigera of like splitting and
(05:46):
separation and now, fortunately,we're getting back together I
love that.
Yuli (05:52):
Yeah, the, the, the connection between this nature
and a holistic, healing worldand science.
I I feel the same.
It.
It's finally happening, there'sglimpses of it.
There is still resistance inthe community I would say
especially in the scientificcommunity but those worlds are
(06:13):
emerging.
So I'm curious to see what kindof.
You mentioned your experienceas an entrepreneur, right, your
experience as an entrepreneur,right.
Let's talk a little bit aboutresilience and like what was
that moment that you discoveredthat kind of the old way is not
(06:33):
going to work and you have tocome up with a new set of tools.
What was that awakening processwas like for you?
Alessandro (06:39):
Yeah, so it was quite long, I would say, which,
from what I'm reading now, it'skind of like the normal path of
healing the more bad things, themore rocks that you need to
kind of get empty from your soul, the more the work to be done.
But for me, everything reallystarted consciously when I got
(07:03):
to a point where I was having somany panic attacks every single
day that I couldn't functionanymore.
And I say this quite often inevery show that I speak to,
because the reality is that alot of people are not talking
publicly about this and sothere's still kind of a stigma
or a taboo behind beingvulnerable in that sense.
(07:26):
But the reality is, especiallywhen it comes to founders 73% of
them are neurodiverse andliterally almost everyone has
these problems.
So they just don't either showit in public or, some even worse
cases, they don't even takeaction.
But yeah, so for me, I wentinto breathing, breathing
(07:48):
exercises, breathing meditationswhen I really couldn't function
anymore.
I'm an ADHD person I don't knowif you say I have it or I am,
but anyway and and I grew up ina family where these things are,
were not taught about.
I never went to a therapist or,let's say like to a proper
(08:08):
program of like differentsessions with a therapist, and
probably by never beingconsidered like a special,
different person.
I would say that, lookingbackward right now, it was kind
of my gift somehow.
I mean, if we consider that wechoose the parents and the first
(08:30):
seven years of our lives, thenI definitely chose to suffer a
lot, be not understood for along time, even though my
parents were great I mean, theyreally did everything they could
, but there was literally verylittle awareness about these
topics.
And after six months ofbreathing exercises, it was just
(08:52):
a very simple meditation that Iwas running on loop on Spotify.
It was September, yeah, and Iwas born I'm born on the 31st of
May, so for me the beginning ofthe year has always been kind
of like the beginning of newschool year, and so for that
year I said, okay, what's my newintention coming back from
(09:14):
holidays, of the summer holidays?
And I said, okay, I want tolearn how to meditate, because
breathing somehow I gotconnected with meditation.
I said, okay, who doesmeditation?
And somehow, immediately theBuddhism came to my mind.
I always said that if I everbelieved in any religion, I
would have been Buddhist.
(09:34):
I said this since I was a kid.
It was crazy how connecting thedots backwards makes complete
sense, and so I looked on Googleand I found a meditation
Buddhist center in Milan, whereI was living at the time, and
somehow I got into the world.
I still remember the first timethat I that I visited the
(09:57):
center, only two people werethere, because it was just after
the summer course that theynormally held in Germany and so
very few people were there.
But the two people there, theywelcomed me and they hugged me.
They didn't ask me who I was,what was my name, where I came
from, what job I did, and so on.
So that was really like thefirst, probably awakening moment
(10:21):
of saying, hmm, there isanother way that people live in
and I'm not aware of.
So long story short, those yearspassed and I kept attending
classes and studying andmeditating.
It's from the Diamond Waylineage, it's like one of the
(10:42):
direct lineages from theKarmakaju lineages of the
Tibetan Buddhism, and thishelped me a lot, because I've
been always, like, very fond onhaving a morning routine and my
morning routine was alwayswaking up at 6.30 and do
(11:03):
meditation.
So that really helped me a lot,like decreasing the stress,
handling a bit better, thefights with my co-founders and
with some of my employeesdecreased, and so on and so
forth, until COVID happened.
So what happened during COVID?
Pretty much like anyone else, Iwas stuck in a tiny house Well,
not even a house, it was like asmall apartment and I stopped
(11:24):
moving completely.
I was already not even a houseit was like a small apartment
and I stopped moving completely.
I was already not doing a lotof sports back then, but really
that time was killing me.
And during those years well,during the lockdowns, I remember
that I connected with afunctional doctor who, for the
first time in 12 years, aftertons of medical exams and so on,
(11:47):
without like finding nothingabout my health and trying to
solve random stuff that neverreally brought me any better any
farther he just told me lookfor the problem that you have.
I was having like swollenthroat and in general, like
gastrointestinal problems sincemany, many years.
He said take out gluten, takeout lactose.
(12:09):
And my background is ingastronomy.
My bachelor is in gastronomicsciences, so I already had
knowledge into chemistry, food,nutrition and so on from a
scientific perspective.
But that was really the timewhere I understood.
What they taught me wasn'tcomplete at university and so I
(12:32):
stopped Gruten and after thefirst four to five days,
something like that I woke up inthe morning one day and I still
remember it I didn't have brainfog for the first time in 15
years and I was like, is thisreally how people are supposed
to live?
And then I discovered thatgluten sensitivity comes out
(12:55):
days after you actually eatgluten.
So it's not something like youcan really understand
immediately, and the majority ofthe tests, the scientific tests
, are not like sensing thesensitivity because in many
cases it's really too complexfor the current exams.
So I realized also that mychronic depression disappeared
(13:18):
and it was strictly connected tome eating gluten.
It was unbelievable, and sothat really sparked my interest
into biohacking andunderstanding from a more
contemporary, modern, scientificpoint of view what is really
(13:38):
good for your health and what isnot.
And then of course,understanding, like in my
previous university.
I come from kind of like a slowfood background, so I was
already in contact and aware ofhealthy food, mindful eating and
so on.
But they all said the problemwith the current you know bread
(14:00):
that you don't digest or thecurrent milk that you cannot
digest is because it'sindustrial, only that, and then
you should buy sourdough breadand it's going to be fine.
Yeah, well, it's not for me andnot for the majority of the
gluten sensitive people outthere.
So, into biohacking, Idiscovered all of the reasons
why these things happen and, yes, some of them have a reason due
(14:24):
to, like industrialization andthe way that we process food,
but in many other cases it'sjust also connections with the
way they are produced, theenergy that they have inside.
I mean, it's a much morecomplex topic.
And then the last piece of thepuzzle, so I like to call, like
the three, the trinity body,mind and soul.
(14:46):
So I worked on the mind withthe meditation, the body with
the biohacking.
The last very big piece for mewas going back to Colombia.
I lived in Colombia many yearsago with my now wife and we did
some work with shamans, but onlyacupuncture, no real plant
medicine and so on.
We didn't feel ready back then,but we came back to get married
(15:08):
.
We actually did a beautifulceremony, just the two of us in
the jungle, with the shaman.
We didn't take medicine backthen.
I did it the weekend afterwardsand, my gosh, that really
changed completely my life Inone night, through ayahuasca
experience, I downloaded likethe plan for the next 10 years.
It was already like I had somany questions and I was able to
(15:31):
go so deep for the very firsttime taking the medicine.
I already worked withpsychedelics before, but nothing
, nothing comparable to thisexperience.
And I really feel that Ireceived like a very clear
message and path.
And this is my mission now,because the medicine told me I
asked the medicine, well, first,shall I keep my current company
(15:54):
at the time, which we wereworking on vertical farming and
so on and technology, and orshall I leave it immediately and
in general, what is my missionhere?
And the medicine first told meyou should keep going as far as
you can.
You will receive a message veryclear that is going to be like
(16:15):
not mistaken when you're goingto arrive, for when to leave
your current company, but yourmission is to develop technology
for elevating the human mind.
So from there, months passed andprocesses in my head and
talking to different people.
I did some hypnosis as well witha very good person that I
(16:38):
worked with in the past in Milan, and you all kind of went into
this vision of merging ancientwisdom with science, because the
reality is that the majority ofthe world speaks science, and
it's also religion in some cases, because in many cases it
became a dogma.
(16:58):
So if people don't want to seewhat is beyond science, because
science doesn't get there yetand it's funny because then you,
you explain them.
But look, it's not thatbacteria never existed until
they discovered them, like theywere always there.
We just simply didn't know howto to see them and you actually
(17:19):
had a lot of people dyingbecause of bacterial infections.
So this is exactly the samesituation now, and quantum
physics is in the middle.
For me, like, imagine thetriangle of the Trinity.
Quantum physics is what speaksexactly the language of
everything, and if you arefamiliar with the work of Nassim
Aramein and people like him,you really understand that the
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math is there to explain everysingle thing that spirituality
has been saying for thousands ofyears.
It's crazy.
Yuli (17:53):
Well, let me process this.
Thank you for sharing withTrinity.
I just love this analogy too,and I can totally see the entire
process of that's happening,and I'm always it's been painful
.
Alessandro (18:08):
Now I smile, but I cried a lot.
Yuli (18:11):
I'm sure it's not as beautiful as the Trinity that we
imagined, but I think many ofus have been there some longer,
some shorter, some more painful,some less, but it definitely
can relate to all of this,definitely can relate to all of
(18:32):
this.
And when you mentioneddiscovering, like going through
this process with the help ofsome guides, some different
modalities, you know, from theBuddhist people that are hugging
you, embracing you into theircommunity, to you know the
shamanic ceremony.
You know the shamanic ceremony,it seems, and I think it's true
for many people.
We need those guides in ourlife, right?
(18:56):
Sometimes it's things that'shappening to us, but many times
it's the things that arehappening to us, plus the guides
we meet along the way that showus a better way.
They show us something that wehaven't seen before, you know,
whether it's hypnotherapy orshamanism, whatever it is, and I
just find that to be reallyfascinating, how a lot of the
(19:20):
stories basically come to thesame, more or less the same
process, right?
Yeah definitely yeah, and I'mcurious about your work with
those healers and practitioners.
And then how does it tie to thething that you mentioned to me
(19:40):
separately that a lot of themactually come to you now for
business advice?
Alessandro (19:47):
Yeah, this is one of those things that you really
don't plan and the universe putsyou like in front and and yeah,
I think in this specific caseis it's been one of the the very
first like clear evidence of amanifestation that I was
focusing on in the past monthsbecause it really went like
(20:09):
super fast.
So I was manifesting this newkind of work and new focus,
helping people unleash theirhighest potential through
science and nation wisdom and soon, and I was living, which is
one of the Canary Islands.
We were back there with my wifein October yeah, october last
year and we went to this amazingco-living focused on
(20:32):
spirituality.
So everyone was kind of asolopreneur, entrepreneur slash
freelancer.
So we all work during the daybut, like in the morning we were
having yoga classes,meditations together and so on
and chit-chatting with the, withall the people there.
Some of them were runningbusinesses connected deeply with
(20:53):
like consciousness and andhealing practices and so on, and
I and I realized that, like allof my experience in the
business part was very helpfulfor them.
But I also felt that unless youspoke the same language, it was
(21:15):
very hard to connect from adeeper level, because if you
talk business only somehowyou're not in the same vibration
.
I mean, you're definitely intoa lower vibration than somebody
that is really like into thehealing practices and so on.
For some reason, I believe I'min between still, I'm still able
(21:37):
to do the bridge to this.
And I add what this person first, with Ecoliving, is launching
different experiences.
He renewed completely his brandstrategy, made it clear because
, like, he was putting out therea ton of different things Ah
yeah, but I do this in thislanguage, this in the other
(21:57):
language and then I offered thisopportunity and then I offered
that opportunity.
It's like, yeah, but how peopleare supposed to even understand
what you have in your head islike too messy, and so we work
together to like with differentsystems and kind of models that
I that I get, that I got and Ilearned through through, through
the different startupexperiences, like one of the
(22:19):
typical kind of acceleratorcanvas that they give you to to
make sense of what is in yourhead.
And another person as well thatwas working on a community of
women for, like, health relatedto their cycle and good
nutrition and so on and so forth.
So it was funny because Iwasn't really looking for those
(22:43):
things, for those things.
They just came to me and theyall told me Ale, you are
actually our version of ourmanifestation, Like we were
manifesting to finally findsomebody that could help us make
sense of what it was for us inour business, and very nice
(23:05):
conversations during that periodwas a big realization as well.
That, because I come from such ascientific grounded point of
view and then I got intospirituality, I really have a
very good infrastructure likesolid infrastructure, solid
(23:26):
ground to like make things, likemake sense of things.
Right, whether on the oppositeside, I actually had a lot of
like sharing from people likethat they have issues because
they say, look, I'm great atconnecting with spirit guides,
I'm great at like emotionallydeeply connect when I do certain
(23:50):
kind of activities with my, myclients or the people that I'm
in a retreat with, and so on,but then when it comes to like
grounding it down from a purematerialistic perspective,
they're not grounded enough andit's a nightmare for them and I
and I totally see this.
So, yeah, I think it's anightmare for them and I and I
totally see this.
So, yeah, I think it's asanything that needs balance.
(24:11):
It's always like even somethingas how do you say materialistic
, as making money and making abusiness work needs needs to
have, like some, some properstrategy, right, right, no,
absolutely I can relate toeverything you were saying.
Yuli (24:28):
I feel like maybe that's why we connected, because I
that's how.
No, absolutely I can relate toeverything you were saying.
I feel like maybe that's why weconnected, because that's how I
, literally the way you describeyourself as a bridge, that's
how I describe myself that I canwalk between those worlds just
like shamans do, right, but myworlds are the business world
and this world of spiritualityand, just like yourself, world
(24:51):
and this world of spiritualityand just like yourself, you know
, I've firstly been groundedwith a business experience, even
though I had amazing spiritualmoments as a child and somehow I
stumbled upon studyingmeditation when I was 12 and
then astrology when I was 16.
But it was always kind of.
You know my secret hobbies,right, it wasn't something that
I was leading with.
I was always, first of all, abusiness person, a tech
(25:14):
entrepreneur, and then, when Igot into deeper into
spirituality, that's where Istarted feeling as well Okay, I
can speak both languages andactually both communities
understand me, and I think wewere probably placed on this
earth for some reason.
Right, and that's how I feel.
That's why my work is so deeplymission driven.
(25:37):
It's not a question, you know,whether I should continue this
podcast or not.
It's just like I have to do itbecause I feel like not many
people talk about this, aboutthis much needed bridge right
now and how the people thoseamazing, gifted, talented people
that dedicate their lives toserving others and being the
(25:59):
spiritual guides how much theyneed this grounding, even though
they often don't comerequesting it right, they often
say, well, I don't needmarketing, it's not how I
operate, or I don't want tobuild business structures.
But I think many of themfinding themselves in a
situation where they're kind offorced to figure that out right,
(26:23):
and at least get comfortableand find their own authentic way
of whether it's doing marketingor structuring or organizing
their business in a way thatmakes sense to them.
But they have to claim it Right.
I think, like step one is alwaysjust claim that you are a solo
entrepreneur, right,entrepreneur.
(26:49):
Right that you are a smallbusiness owner.
Like you have your own practice.
If, if most of your paycheckdoesn't come from a corporate or
a big company, you are, bydefinition, an entrepreneur.
So that's a lot of my.
But I've seen from my side andI'm curious what do you see from
your side working with thiswonderful community?
Alessandro (27:06):
well, what I noticed for sure is that I don't know I
mean I don't have enoughscientifically, like
statistically evident proof, butmy intuition made me understand
that the majority of peoplethat come with this knowledge
(27:27):
and also the skills, they arerelatively good at starting up
like zero to one.
Like I have an idea and that'smy calling and I want to put it
out there, and I don't know likeI make an Instagram page and I
get a bunch of thousandfollowers and then from there
somehow I managed to get aconversion of some kind.
(27:51):
Where I've seen most of thestruggle is going from one to 10
and then 10 to multiples,because, of course, there is no
structure, there is no knowledgeof how to do this kind of
structure, and I believe it'salso because the way that we run
our businesses today it's verydifferent than a natural kind of
(28:17):
ecosystemic point of view thata normal village or tribe would
go.
Of course, all of them don'tnecessarily want to have like a
super hierarchical structure andmore horizontal and so on, but
startups got there much before,like in the past.
You have people like you havecompanies from the 90s in
(28:38):
Silicon Valley.
Even before that they brokedown hierarchical structures and
they're like fully going likehorizontal and giving people
like authority for doing whatthey believe it's right.
But somehow planning thisprocess it's not easy.
So it happens sometimes thatyou have I call them founders,
(29:00):
just because it's kind of like aterminology that is closer to
me with my background.
You have these founders thatneed to plan hiring.
They need to understand howmany events to do in a certain
time and how to structure thebrand so that it's clear what
they're communicating.
It's one single thing.
(29:21):
Then of course, it translatesinto different products, but
it's one thing.
It's not tons of differentproducts, but it's one thing.
It's not tons of differentproduct and tons of different
things at the same time andworking on this with them,
things that really come naturalfor me probably I mean for sure,
because of the experience sofar.
For them it's like, oh, wow,okay, we are making sense now.
(29:43):
And it's funny because Iactually quite recently, since a
few months, started to workwith a channeler and I connected
with my guides to understand alittle bit more, like on a daily
basis, where to focus on and soon.
And when the channelerconnected the very first time,
(30:04):
she was mind blown because shesaw like tons of like kind of
you know the green wheels of themachineries I don't know how to
describe them in English Likeshe's seen like a huge screen
with all of these machineryclicking and clocking together
(30:26):
and then like being completelycoherent, and she was like, oh
wow, you're really likeconnecting the dots and making
like everything coherent andmaking sense between the
different topics and so on.
So, yeah, probably this issomething that comes very
natural to me and back then,back when you were saying being
(30:47):
a bridge, I think for us it's abig duty that in some cases I
feel like I would kind of liketo escape sometimes from, in the
sense that I give you anexample Last week I was in Kuala
Lumpur.
It's a huge city Well, notnecessarily huge, but you feel
(31:10):
that it's a very chaotic,urbanized place and I was coming
from two and a half months innature.
I was living in a couple ofislands between Thailand and
Malaysia and when I got there,immediately I started feeling
rushed and stressed and that wasreally my realization of like
(31:31):
electromagnetic frequencyoverload and all of these
different overload of signals,and I couldn't dream anything
else than just getting back tonature.
And during those days Iconnected with.
I worked again.
I had another session with thechanneler and she told me Ale,
(31:52):
the city is the place where youwere born, you grew up, you
speak their language.
You cannot escape from them.
You need to go back to the city, use a different bunch of
different techniques that Iwon't explain here, like to be
healthy and to be mindful andpresent also in cities, because
it's very easy to be in nature.
It's another thing to do it inthe city, but the people that
(32:16):
are in the city are also theones that really need the most
this kind of work.
Yuli (32:21):
All right.
Well, I could have said thatmyself too.
Stop reading my mind.
No, we have such similarexperiences, you know, and I'm
(32:47):
fortunate to live just an houraway from New York City and it
used to be my place that I lovedso much and I drew so much
energy from, and as I moved outto nature, I find myself with
the same kind of thing I can,but what I found is that works
well for me is the micro dosingof the city right.
Getting just to now and goingwith this conscious intention.
I'm getting there to get thatboost of energy because it is a
beautiful energy in the city Imean, especially a city like
Manhattan, which is stillchaotic but it has its own like
rhythm happen, which is stillchaotic but it has its own like
(33:07):
rhythm right, and the beautifulpeople that occupy it and really
see it as this like experienceto draw some of that energy in,
because I find myself in nature.
It took me a while to find therhythm right and the same
productivity that you get fromthose places.
So I think it's that beautifulbalance right, and I do think
(33:29):
people like us, probably becausewe're bridges, we probably need
both right.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
I love that, and so let's.
Is there anything else you wouldlike to share with our audience
?
Is there anything else like youmentioned your channel or that
you work with.
That I love as well, and Iprobably.
(33:49):
I have a couple that I workwith and I always get some
really incredible insights.
Is there anything that comes tomind that we want to channel to
our beautiful audience as akind of a wrap up for this
episode, as a kind of a wrap-upfor this episode.
Alessandro (34:08):
Yeah, I think I would love to connect and give
kind of like my two cents on thecurrent situation of where
humanity is going, the world isgoing.
You told me before hitting therecord button that a lot of the
community is feeling ungrounded,doesn't really know where we're
going.
And my perspective againbridging the business part, the
(34:32):
economic part and the futurefrom a consciousness point of
view, the idea that I made formyself, which is, of course, not
my own opinion only, it's beenshared and kind of like
reiterated and reconfirmed by alot of the people that I follow
in their work.
What I'm seeing is that, on oneend, a lot of very, very good
(35:01):
and successful people in thebusiness and science world are
really turning intoacknowledging fully the essence
of spirituality.
And there is one video, oneinterview that I share to pretty
much all of my directconnections, which is an
(35:23):
interview from Federico Faggin,which is the inventor of the
silicon.
So Silicon Valley wouldn'texist if it was not for him.
He's a physicist, italian thatmoved into Silicon Valley before
it was even called SiliconValley.
He got like awards fromPresident Obama.
I mean, it's a very successfulperson.
He's in the late, late 70s,early 80s, right now and he
(35:45):
turned completely like his lifeand his legacy now is about
talking about AI and technologyin general with a lens of
understanding how quantumphysics work and how
consciousness works.
And for me and people likehearing these people and people
(36:09):
like him, confirming what I'vebeen studying on my own, is
really a confirmation that theworld is changing.
We are going into a mergerbetween technology and humans.
This is inevitable.
We cannot really escape escape,let's say, from from from this
trend, and I also like whatmatthias de stefano I don't know
(36:32):
if you're familiar with thisperson talks a lot about.
He's a rememberer, so he does alot of work reconnecting with
his past lives and and bringingalso the ancient wisdom of
what's the name of thepopulation before, like the
previous big Atlantis.
Yes, so I am seeing like.
(36:54):
The real question is what isgoing to happen like between now
and the next 10 years and thenfrom 10 year onwards, because
now we are in the complete messof a change of paradigm.
You have the American empirethat is going down.
(37:16):
You have the Chinese empirethat is on the rise, but at the
same time, the Chinese empiredoesn't seem, at least for now,
as like imperialistic minded asthe, the, the, the powers of the
west, like us first, when usmost recently, uk before,
(37:36):
netherlands before, and so onthey did in the past.
So probably there are somepeople that say, probably
because china was already anempire in the in the past and it
collapsed, so they already knowthat if they really want,
because China was already anempire in the past and it
collapsed, so they already knowthat if they really want to
expand like as an empire, atsome point they will collapse
(37:58):
too.
So there is surely like a bigrivalry growing between the West
and not really the East, butlike mostly like the Chinese
minded block.
Let's say like the Chineseminded block.
Let's say then this is going tobe affecting a lot the economy.
I mean, we are seeing nowwhat's happening with the
tariffs and so on.
It's all just about reassetinglike the different positions,
(38:18):
like as a chess game.
It sounds like weird to saythat people are playing chess,
but probably that's really whatis happening.
And so this is one thing froman economic perspective.
Then, on the other perspective,you have AI, which is going to
take literally everything thatwe're doing, that is considered
(38:39):
to be a machine-like job and, tobe honest, I don't see this as
a negative thing, because thereality is that we've been
forced for very too long to workon machine-like jobs that are
completely dehumanizing ourexperience of life.
So those are going to bereplaced in these 10 years.
(39:02):
While the replacements goes on,our countries are going to do
universal basic income.
Our country is going to do somekind of resistance to it we
don't really know.
But after then, the work thatthe healing community is already
doing, it's really going to bethe only work that matters
(39:30):
Because, yeah, there will be abunch of scientists and a bunch
of very technical people thatare going to be the ones
supervising and further like,implementing the technologies
that are being developed, eventhough AI is going to engineer
itself because it's going to beso smart.
So, probably or even the humanscouldn't do a job like a better
job than the AI training itsown AI algorithm, and so what's
(39:53):
left?
Everything that's left is beinghuman, finally back as a human,
connecting peer-to-peer,sharing energy, doing the
healing work.
Even for me, I come from thegastronomy part and I always say
gastronomy and all of theartisan work is going to boom
(40:15):
again, because people don't needto work in McDonald's and flip
burgers.
Maybe they're really going touse their own passion to make
gourmet burgers or you knowwhatever gastronomic experiences
and machines are not going todo this.
So actually it's a very goodthing what's happening if you're
(40:37):
ready, but of course it can bescary if you don't see the whole
picture because you're missingthe parts right.
You're just seeing the noise.
You're just seeing the media,all of this nonsense that they
just keep pushing on your brainso that your hypothalamus goes
under stress.
It's all meant because theyneed to make money in the
(40:58):
meantime, because they know thatthey're not going to make money
any longer.
But I see this as a verypositive direction and of course
, we all need the healingcommunity and all of the people
that can connect to a highervibration to guide all of the
people that are going to be sodesperate in the next 10 years
(41:19):
that they're going to turneither to violence and extremism
, but I believe in many morecases they're going to turn to
spirituality because they needto give sense of this life.
Yuli (41:35):
Well, I had a feeling you're going to bring some
incredible perspective to us andyou did, and I couldn't agree
more.
I think absolutely.
I keep saying healers are theguides in this new awakening age
and we need this community morethan ever.
(41:56):
And they don't see themselvesas very important now, maybe,
but we know that they areimportant and what can we do to
empower them and to takeownership of this very important
job that they're placed here todo, and what tools and skills
(42:16):
we can help them gain so theycan create more impact in this
very important time?
So thank you again for bringingthis perspective to this
podcast, to our community.
I just love, love connecting.
I recently had a chance toconnect with more kind of people
from the internationalcommunity and I just love those
conversations because I feellike sometimes, here being in
(42:39):
New York specifically, you feellike you're in a bubble.
So thanks for taking us out ofthis bubble and reminding us of
what's truly important.
It was such a pleasure havingyou.
Alessandro (42:50):
As well, Julie.
Thanks so much.
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