November 6, 2024 • 47 mins
Udo Erasmus, the esteemed founder of Udo's Choice Line and author of "Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill," shares his incredible life story from enduring pesticide poisoning to emerging as a leader in health and wellness. Through this episode, we unpack how Udo's background in biochemistry and nutrition equipped him to challenge industrial oil processing and champion the importance of personal health responsibility. Udo's relentless commitment to enhancing lives, driven by his early experiences in a war-torn environment, serves as an inspiration.
From the heavy burden of self-doubt to the triumph of completing a 54-chapter book, our conversation reveals the transformative power of perseverance and inspiration. We explore how moving back home and embracing unconventional ideas allowed a seemingly impossible dream to become a reality. Through stories of overcoming obstacles and harnessing an obsessive passion, we highlight the vital role of dedication and resourcefulness in crafting remarkable outcomes.
Turning misconceptions on their head, we tackle the misinformation surrounding essential oils, particularly omega-6. Udo passionately urges listeners to seek accurate insights and avoid sensationalized narratives as we journey into themes of inner peace, holistic health, and the bold expression of intuitive insights that challenge the status quo.
Special gift for our listeners! Get a free digital draft copy of Udo's brand new book "Your Body Needs An Oil Change": https://udoerasmus.com/theheallist
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Yuli (00:04):
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Now let's go deep.
Hello, my dear friends, andwelcome to another super
insightful episode of theHealist podcast.
Today we have the legendary UdoErasmus, the founder of Udo's
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Choice Line, which can be foundat Whole Foods and other health
food stores worldwide.
He's an acclaimed speaker andauthor of many books, including
the best-selling Fats that Heal,fats that Kill, which has sold
over 250,000 copies.
He teaches at events hosted byTony Robbins and Deepak Chopra,
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has keynoted International BrainHealth Conference and has
traveled to over 30 countries toconduct thousands of live
presentations, media interviewsand staff trainings, impacting
more than 25 million lives withhis message on oils, health,
peace, nature and human nature.
Uda has an extensive educationin biochemistry, genetics,
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biology and nutrition, includinga master's degree in counseling
psychology.
I am just so honored to have youin our space and our holistic
community.
Welcome and, as you know, Ilike to set intention for each
episode and for this one.
I'm really so honored to havethis opportunity to inspire our
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holistic community with all yourwisdom, not just as a health
expert but also as an incrediblebusiness person who built this
incredibly inspiring holisticempire, and I really hope our
listeners can get some of yourwisdom and get inspired to think
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big.
All right, if you would like toset your intention as well
please do.
Udo (02:23):
Well, my intention is always really simple.
I came out of a war and I've.
When I was very young, like sixyears old, I said, man, there
must be a way to live in harmony.
Man, there must be a better wayto live than this.
And I'm going to find out how,and that's been my driver all my
life.
So my intention always what canI do in the situation I'm in
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that will elevate people'squality of life in whatever way
is possible?
That's all I'm interested in.
That's all I've ever beeninterested in, actually.
And it feels good in the heartwhen you do that.
It feels good in your chestwhen you do that.
Right, helping, helping feelsgood, so we're wired for it
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right.
Yuli (03:09):
Absolutely.
Udo (03:10):
And hurting feels bad, and I like feeling good more than I
like feeling bad.
So helping is what I'm obsessedby.
Yuli (03:25):
Amazing.
Well, speaking of helping, Iwant to kind of write in and ask
you when was the moment youfelt like you're into something
big, that you're reallyimpacting people with your work?
I know I'm sure there were manymoments in your incredible
career, but can you share someof them?
Udo (03:40):
Well, when it comes to oils , several things happened.
I got poisoned by pesticidesand the doctors couldn't help me
.
So that was one piece of it,right, and it was like, oh my
God, my health really is myresponsibility, and I sort of
knew it.
But now it was real, so it wasjust not an idea, yeah, my
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health is my responsibility.
It was like, oh, you know, I'mon my own here, right, and I had
the backgrounds to look in theresearch to find out about
nutrition and health, nutritiondisease.
That's really the focus that Ihad because I wanted to get
healthy.
So that was one piece.
The second piece was I found outhow much damage is done by
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industry to oils when they makethem the commercial oils, edible
oils, right, half to 1%.
And if it's 1% damage, then ina tablespoon.
You know, when I talked to themand I said, why do you do this
when you know it does damage?
Because I read that in theirjournal.
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And they said well, one of thereasons we do it is we can get
rid of half of the pesticides inthe oil.
And I'm thinking, oh my God, Igot poisoned by pesticides.
There's pesticides in oils.
50% of them stay in.
Oh my God, I didn't even knowthere were pesticides in the oil
, you know.
So this is like eye openers,right.
And then he said well, what thehell is your problem?
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It's like it's only 1% damaged.
99% of it's still good.
And so then I thought well,maybe I'm overreacting.
It's only 1%, so let me do themath.
So I said okay, how manydamaged molecules will you find
in a tablespoon of oil if it is1% damaged?
And I ask people that questionto guess Guess how many damaged
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molecules?
And they always guess Well,give me a number A tablespoon of
oil, it's 1% damaged.
How many damaged molecules inthe tablespoon?
I don't know.
A thousand, okay, a thousand, athousand, that's three zeros,
right, okay?
So you want to know the actualnumber?
Yes, it's a six, followed by 19zeros.
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Wow, it's quintillion damagedmolecules.
So what we're doing toourselves when we use these oils
, we're doing something to usthat, in your case, is 60
quadrillion times worse than youthink it is, and when people
give me numbers, they alwaysestimate at least a billion
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times lower than what itactually is.
So we're doing something toourselves when we use these oils
every day two to fourtablespoons of something that is
a billion times or more worsethan we think it is.
So then I say, okay, like you'regoing to get an airplane and
you're going to fly home for theholidays, right.
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So you got your boarding pass,you're waiting to board and just
before you board, somebody tapsyou on the shoulder.
You know this is a truth tellerOnly ever tells the truth.
By the way, did you know thatyour chance of crashing and
dying on this flight was abillion times higher than you
thought it was?
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Would you get on the airplane?
No, I was in Ireland.
I said I would canoe back toCanada, right, and my chance of
getting there wouldn't be thatgood, but I would prefer to do
it that way than to get on anairplane where I.
You know that.
I thought that you know wheremy chance of crashing and dying
was in your case today, right,60 quadrillion times higher than
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we thought it was right.
And I say that because you needyou that, because we do it,
because we're so used to doingit, we need to stop and think
what are we actually doing here?
So that was another piece.
It's like, oh my God, there'sso much damage being done to the
oils.
The third one was I found outthat 99% of the population does
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not get enough omega-3s foroptimum health, single most
widespread essential nutrientinsufficiency.
And then I was like, oh my God,if we could make them without
damage and we could bring themback into the population and
make sure that everybody gets it.
And make sure that everybodygets it, oh my God, we could
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help almost everybody.
And I got so inspired.
I just I found a purpose.
Oh my God, this is a missionfrom God, right?
And then I was like, and thatenthusiasm that I got, yeah, you
know, it's nice, like it's nicehelping old ladies across the
road, right, this feels good inthe heart.
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It's something we're made for.
Yeah, but I could help almosteverybody on the planet.
And then the goal become abottle of oil made with health
in mind in every fridge.
Because when I understood howmuch damage is done to oils, I
figured out we should makeshould be making oils with
health in mind rather than withshelf life in mind.
And so I developed a method fordoing that.
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And it has to be very tight,because light, oxygen and heat
damage oils very easily.
So you have to protect them.
If you want them to retain thehealth benefits, you have to
protect those oils and you haveto do that so that no light, no
oxygen and only low temperatureget to the oil from the time
it's in the seed, where nature'spackaging keeps it pretty well,
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through the pressing, thefiltering, the settling, the
filling, till it's in a brownglass bottle, because plastic
leaches into oil.
So you don't want plasticpackaging in a brown glass
bottle in a box, in the fridge,in the factory, in the stores,
at home and you add it to foodsafter they come off the heat.
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You never, ever, ever, ever usegood oils for frying, because
frying is the most damagingthing we do to our health, worse
than white sugar.
It's the most damaging thing wedo to our health Worse than
white sugar.
Frying is the.
You know, more health problemscome from damaged oils than any
other part of nutrition.
More health benefits come frommaking the oil change that your
body needs to oils made withhealth in mind.
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So that's kind of like a storyand that was, oh my God, we
could help almost everybody.
And then it was like you know,we never set goals, we never set
goals.
We never set goals every year.
You set a goal.
Well, we want to go up fivepercent, ten percent, we said.
You know, isis said okay, let'sjust get the hell out of there,
let's see how far we can get.
The goal was always a bottle inevery fridge, because
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everybody's already using oils,but they're all using oils that
are damaged, that are damaginghealth.
So those kinds of things cametogether and then and you know
the timing wasn't my timing Igot poisoned.
When I got poisoned I wasalready looking at the research.
When it was established thatomega-3 is an essential nutrient
, that was in 1981.
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I got poisoned in 1980.
So I was already.
I had my head in the journals,I was trying to figure it out
how do I get healthy?
And oils were really confusing.
So I kind of got locked intothat because they said omega-6
is essential, you have to haveit, you can't live without it.
And the very next study saidomega-6 gives you cancer and
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kills you.
And I'm going what.
I have to have it so it cankill me.
No, no, there's got to besomething wrong here.
And it was that contradictionthat got me to look deeper and
find out how much damage is doneto oils by the processing that
industry does, because they doit for shelf life, they don't do
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it for health.
And then, as, like, a wholeindustry got started making oils
with health in mind out of thisthing that came together by
forces much bigger than me right, and being poisoned by
pesticide became a gift at thatpoint.
No, I'm glad that happened,because it stopped me and got my
attention and and got me tolook right, and then the
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learnings began.
So there's several things thatcame together and it's kind of
it's.
It's usually like that when youknow you're in a situation, you
have certain talents, somethinghappens and you all of a sudden
you look at something and maybeyou see something you've never
seen before or that nobody'sever said before, and then
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you're obsessed.
Oh, my God, you know we can dobetter than this.
Right?
I came out of a war, this islike stupid right.
And then out of that comes, youknow, comes inspiration, and
when you're inspired you have alot of energy.
Inspiration frees energy andthen you can do things that if
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you asked an accountant, shouldwe do this business?
He said don't even start, right.
And then instead, what getsdone gets done by passion, not
by bean counters.
Yuli (12:44):
No, it's a very beautiful story and I love that you turn
your personal challenge intothis beautiful solution that
helps millions today.
But it still sounds very simple, right, when you say fueled by
passion.
Can you help us for some of thepeople that may be having some
of those ideas or beginning ofthose inspirations, but they
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really don't know what the nextstep is?
They can see, they canvisualize it, they have the big
dream, but you still you know westill live in this 3D reality
that you have to make certainsteps and, yes, talking to an
accountant is one step, which isnot always helpful because they
can talk you out of things sothe same with legal and such.
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But how did you proceed in yourcase?
What was the next steps in yourprocess to actually get that
beautiful idea to every fridge?
Udo (13:36):
Right.
So I think you have to embodythe inspiration and you have to
lose the three-dimensionalreality, right, because that's
all your doubts and all your youknow.
When you three-dimensionalreality, right, because that's
all your doubts and all your youknow.
When you were a little kid,your parents told you you can do
anything you set your mind to.
Then you become a teenager andyou start doing the thing
whatever you want, and then theysay you got to be realistic,
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you have to have a job, you gotto get you know what.
Are you going to be practical,right?
So first they set you up andthen they knock you down, right?
No, you have to lose thethree-dimensional reality.
You cannot do somethingoriginal if you don't let go.
You can't row your boat acrossthe ocean if it's tied to the
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dock, so you have to untie itfrom the dock, right, and a lot
of that, and there's self-doubt.
So what I did specifically?
I moved in with my mother.
I was 1983, I moved in with mymother.
I was 41 years old.
Oh wow, I moved back in with mymother and I, because I said to
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her I had said to her because Iwasn't working cause I had been
poisoned and I wasn't surewhere where I was going next.
And I said to her you know Iwant to write a book.
You know, I started readingabout fats and then this thing
was like oh my God, other peoplemust be, should be able to
benefit from what I'm learning,cause I I took a lot of
biochemistry, including fatbiochemistry.
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All of this stuff I was readingwas never taught in
biochemistry.
So I said, well, there must beother people who could benefit
from this knowledge.
Okay, well, I'll write a book.
So then I met a guy who wantedto make an oil factory, but then
his situation changed and hecouldn't do it.
So I said, okay, well, what canI do?
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What can I do by myself?
Well, I can write the book.
That's a starter, right?
So I told my mother I want towrite the book and I could do it
weekends and evenings, but I'dlike to be able to do it full
time.
She said, okay, you can move inand you can get free room and
board.
So I was, and I'm living in thesame place that I was lived in
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when I did that in 1983, andright right here was I had a.
I had a desk with a handheldnon-electric typewriter, click,
click, click, click, click,click, click.
And my friends were allpartying and I was on the
typewriter and sometimes I wouldsay I don't know why the hell
am I doing this?
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My friends are partying.
I like to party, right, andthen something would always
happen that would say no, no, no, keep doing it, you're on the
right track.
So then I wrote the book Firsttime.
I got 60 pages into it and Isaid this is garbage, so I had
to start again.
Second time, I got 30 pagesinto it, I said I wouldn't, I
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wouldn't buy this book, had tostart again.
And the third page it justrolled out.
I wrote 54 chapters, one afterthe other.
The only thing I did I just gotinto a flow.
And there's a point when you'reunderstanding, because I was
reading every day.
I was in the library all thetime.
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We didn't have.
I was driving to the library Imean taking a bus to the library
and then I'd go into the stacksand I'd pull the books and I'd
ask the library where's this andwhere's that?
And then I would read and readand read and take notes, and
take notes and look at this andeverything you know.
And it was like open-endedbecause I didn't really know
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quite yet what I was looking for.
Anyway, so on the third try, Ihad, you know, it just flowed
together and literally otherthan sleep and hygiene and eat,
I was writing and I wrote 54chapters, one after the other,
and then I, at the end of it, Isaid, okay, what else is missing
?
I wrote five more chapters andinserted them in various places,
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but it's like the book almostwrote itself.
It's like almost like channeled.
Wow.
You know, I don't usually thinkin terms like channeling, but
it feels like that.
I don't usually think in termslike channeling, but it feels
like that.
So I'm being used for somethingand there's a place when
something in you gets organizedand when you're obsessed with
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something, your whole beingorganizes itself around your
obsession.
It's just human nature rightNow.
If you've never experiencedthat, you don't know that
because nobody tells you that.
Right Now.
If you've never experiencedthat, you don't know that
because nobody tells you that.
Right.
But you know, you've probablybeen obsessed.
Once in a while you gotobsessed with something and
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magic happens, right.
So you want to lose that.
And then what happened was whenthe book got written.
I didn't really want to do moreand my brother, who's a science
teacher, you know he helped mewith the book and I tried out my
explanations on his grade ninescience class, because it has to
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be grade nine level to beunderstood, because I can be
much more technical than that,because I spent like almost
eight years at university andmost of it was in science, right
?
And so we did that.
And then he said well, you know, you should make oils, you know
what you're talking aboutmaking oils with house and mind.
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You should do that.
I said no, I don't want to dothat, I just want to pontificate
, right.
And he said well, no, listen.
He said you know what you'retalking about, you've done the
studies, you've done the reading, you understand what you're
doing.
Now you're going to write abook and that book will get into
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the hands of people.
They will use your book to selltheir products, but they won't
make their products the way theyneed to be made.
So you should do it because youknow.
You know how it needs to bedone.
And I grumbled, but you knowwhat it was like he's really
right.
I hated that.
He's right, but he's reallyright and so.
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So then I got, and then, whenthe book came out, some people
got really interested.
They said, they said theywanted to work with me and so
literally, the book found thepeople I needed.
Wow, and that's anotheruniversal principle that, if you
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like, I've noticed that when Ido something or I have a goal
and I'm inspired about doingsomething and I'm too lazy to do
it and I want, and I now lookfor help, I never find the right
help.
But if I start doing it and dowhat I can on my own, without
help, when I need the help, thehelp shows up.
How does that happen?
You know, it's the inspiration.
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I don't know if you create anenergy field or whatever it is,
and people are sucked into thatenergy field.
I don't know how that works.
Yuli (20:28):
You become a magnet.
Yeah, literally.
Udo (20:32):
Literally.
And so the people to do itfound me one way or another, and
then that didn't do thebusiness.
I actually got screwed in thefirst business.
When the money started comingin, you know, they said, oh, we
don't need him anymore.
Oh, this is so good, it'll sellitself.
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And then so they pushed me out.
Now I got depressed and I wasclose to suicidal.
Wow, you know, I put my wholelife into this, you know, and I
thought if I make it work forthem, they'll make it work for
me.
That's not always the case.
Then I rewrote the book, andthen the rewritten book
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attracted a different situation.
And so the idea is, you know,like if you do what you can do
without help, when you need thehelp, the help will show up.
But if you want to get the helpbefore you've done what you can
do without the help, then thathelp may not be what you need,
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because then you need toactually work on yourself, with
yourself, by yourself.
So you take it to as far as youcan take it by yourself,
because why invite somebody intoit if you don't need somebody
in it, right, yes?
And then what happened?
We started making decisions.
You know, I have no businessbackground, zero.
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I have not taken zero businessbackground, good background in
science and understanding theissues.
And we made decisions, rightand left, about the standards,
about how to make the machinery,about where to go, what to do,
what to say, how to explain itto people.
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And of course, you learn it asyou do, that you get better at
it.
Because I was actually reallyshy.
You know, when I was a kid inschool never asked a question in
class, never Once.
Once I asked a question and theteacher told me I was wrong.
That was the end of my askingquestions.
Never asked a question inuniversity, always tried to
figure out things by myself.
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So I was really shy.
And now I got this thing and nowI'm supposed to go out and talk
about it.
And I said to the guy whopublished the book he said, you
know, he said do you want to doa give a talk on fats?
And it was four months away.
So I said, oh sure, you know,safe, sure.
And then it closer, it came andsaid I'm not going to show up,
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I'm just going to stay home.
I'm not doing it.
Because I was that nervous.
I said to him you know, I'mreally nervous, I don't want to
do the talk.
He said, listen, you just spentfive years on oils, so you know
more than 99% of the people whoare going to show up for it.
And he said the 1% that knowsmore than you.
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Just listen and learn.
I was like, well, is it thatsimple?
And then I did my first talk.
My mouth was so dry, it waslike hard to talk, right.
But the moment that I got intosaying okay, I have something
that can be helpful to peopleand focused on helping, rather
than how do I look.
The moment I took the focus offme and how I look and put it on
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what I was here to help peoplewith, the nervousness went away
and now I can get up on stageand, honestly, I don't get
butterflies or anything.
I'm so comfortable.
But I won't get on stage if Idon't know what I'm talking
about.
So that's still there, right,yeah?
And now it's like I've talkedto thousands of people,
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sometimes thousands of people inone room.
Yuli (24:13):
Well it's such a beautiful story and there are so many
great lessons there and I thinkmaybe it sounded again very easy
.
But the fact that you also,after the being pushed out, that
you went back and actuallyrewrote the book and build it
all over again, that you wentback and actually rewrote the
book and build it all over again, it's just so impressive
because I feel like it'ssomething that shouldn't be
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taken for granted.
It's really a special skillthat, like Phoenix, that gets
reborn over and over again, soit's really inspiring.
Udo (24:46):
Well, actually, let me tell you the story about that.
So when I got pushed out, I wasreally depressed and I talked
to somebody.
He said well, what's yourproblem?
You're just upset about an idea.
And I was like, what do youmean idea?
I put my whole life into thisright.
Later I said, oh yeah, it'sjust an idea that I'm upset
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about.
But that didn't fix it becauseyou know.
And so I wrote to a mentor thatI have and told him what
happened.
And he had somebody call me andsaid keep working with flax.
And when I got that advice Isaid wait, why would I?
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Why the hell would I want to dothat?
Flax is the cause of all mypain, right?
And it wasn't until severalyears later that I recognized
how important that advice was,because I already had 10 years
into flax.
I could have started fromscratch and moved in with my
mother again although she wasgone by that time, right, and
started from scratch again.
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And he was wise enough and notemotional about my situation so
he could see clearly, you've got10 years into this topic, keep
going.
And so that's what that.
And then it's like, yeah,because even the fact that he
cared and to give me the advice,kind of like, ah, and so then I
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went on, then I rewrote thebook and then we improved, went
from flax to a blend that isbetter balanced, because I
actually became omega-6deficient on flax oil and I said
, well, I want to make somethingthat helps people, that can't
hurt people, and so then a blendcame out and then I went on and
I worked in digestion andworked with greens and worked
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with different things, and nowit's total health based in
nature and human nature.
So it's just expanded, my thethings expanded from doing it.
So it's interesting that I'mit's not that I'm so smart or so
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wise, I'm just I just want tohelp and there's an openness
that comes from that, becauseyou have to see, well, how can I
help?
And then if I get good advicethat allows me to help better,
I'm open for that.
If it's bad advice, I can blowit off pretty easily.
Yuli (27:16):
Yeah, that was a beautiful advice and a great point that
when we fail, we don't go backto square one, right, yeah?
Udo (27:24):
Yeah, well, if it's your mission, it's your mission, you
know Right.
But the thing is, you know howdo you get the mission?
To me, the most important thingis to do nothing.
Go stillness, practice everyday, spend some time alone by
yourself, alert, awake andpresent in the space your body
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occupies, and feel what thatfeels like, because that's where
you find your peace, that'swhere you find the love that
everybody's looking for.
You already have it in you.
It loves you unconditionallyand it empowers you and loves
you unconditionally, and out ofthat love comes your inspiration
.
So what is your mission?
It's already sitting inside ofyou, but you have to get quiet
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to discover it.
And then, what is that mission?
You become the inspiration forthat mission.
And then to deal with thethree-dimensional reality that I
told you before you should blowoff.
Well, at some point you have todeal with the three-dimensional
reality, like how do you chargeand what kind of billing system
do you build and how do youmake your presence?
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How do you get your presenceout there, whether it's internet
or you join clubs or whateveryou do, right?
Well, you get somebody to dothat for you, because there are
lots of people who know how todo that and you make sure that
you're clear on the mission thatyou hold to the mission, that
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when it comes to the qualitycontrol of that mission, you
stay in charge.
I haven't always done that, butI've seen then how it degrades
the mission when other peoplebecause other people have their
own ideas about things, right.
So if it's your mission, youneed to maintain control over
what is the nature of thatmission.
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Because it's your mission, itwas given to you.
You know other people, some,some other people don't have a
mission like that and then theyjust cut corners.
You know when you, when you'reclear about your missions, you
don't cut corners, right, so so.
So then people say you know, dowhat you do best, and if you're
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the visionary, then do that andhire or include other people
who have the other skills thatyou don't have and that's
important, beautiful.
You know, and then you can.
You know, if you're startingsmall, then you get part-time
help for that.
There are people who do booksand who can do marketing
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campaigns on the internet.
You can go to the schools thatteach those people.
They'll get you the help.
You can sometimes getgovernment subsidies for part of
the expense of that, becauseit's in the government's
interest for businesses to besuccessful.
So I still don't have anybusiness background.
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I'm a little bit morecomfortable with it than I was
and I don't really want to be abusinessman.
I don't know why I have thatvision, and it's always a vision
about helping.
And it comes out of the war andeverything being really stupid
and thinking, no, you know what,there's a better way to live
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and how can we live better andhow can we prevent the wars?
Well, you got to find the peace, you got to find the power and
you got to then bring that intothe world.
That's how you build a peacefulworld.
You bring peace that you feelbecause you sit still to
discover it, and you bring thatinto the world it's such an
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important point that you'remaking and I feel like a lot of
people in this space.
Yuli (31:08):
They have the, the mission , they have the vision, they
figure it out.
But I think the speaking partis still very difficult for
people because a lot of you knowhealers or holistic
practitioners.
They still carry this block ofbeing seen or, you know, maybe
being criticized by differentcommunities for maybe who find
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their views controversial.
I mean, there's all kinds ofblocks, right, and I feel
personally and this is for me,the podcast is my mission of
being heard and getting thevoices out because we have to
speak up.
This community has to speak up,because if we don't speak up,
there's other information thatgets out there and gets way more
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attention.
So it's really important toexercise that.
Udo (31:56):
Right, like disease management becomes healthcare,
right, right.
It's like I took a year ofmedicine.
I wanted to know what health isand we were only learning about
disease.
So I went to the dean and Isaid to him so what is health?
I came here to study health.
We call it health care.
So what is health?
He said we don't know, we'reworking on it.
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I was like what you call ithealth care and it's not health,
right?
And then we were told in firstyear medicine a doctor should
always sound as though he knowswhat's going on, even when he
doesn't.
Oh, wow, and we call that lyingon the farm.
I said no, that's not for me.
And so I went back intobiochemistry and genetics
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because I realized I learnedmore about health in biology
than I'm going to learn inmedicine.
Yes, because they're justfocused on disease and you don't
find out what health is.
You know you don't find theright answer by looking only at
the wrong answers.
You know when two plus two isfour, right, you don't.
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You don't figure that out, youhave to.
You have to know that.
Well, once you know that, youknow that every other answer is
wrong.
It's like infinite minus oneanswer to the question what is
two plus two are wrong and youonly have one right answer.
Right?
If you guys find the rightanswer, then you automatically
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also know what are all the otheranswers that are wrong.
So why aren't we looking forhealth?
And why aren't we looking forpeace?
And why aren't we looking forlove?
Aren't we looking for health?
And why aren't we looking forpeace?
And why aren't we looking forlove and defining what those are
, and especially defining themexperientially?
Right, because then you knowwhat it is and then you can live
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really well and not be guessingall the time.
Right, because if you don'tknow the right answer, you're
always guessing.
And then you ask all theexperts, and all the experts
have agendas, and sometimes youdon't know all of their agendas,
right, and then they misleadyou because you're not leading
yourself.
So again that goes back to thestillness practice, because
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everything you're looking forout there terms of personal
fulfillment is built into you.
It's already within you.
But your focus wandered off whenyou got born.
You had to get to know theworld.
Your focus wandered off.
Now you're focused everywhereexcept within yourself, where
all the goodies are.
And so the wise people of allages I've always said come back
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to yourself.
What you're looking for iswithin you.
You know, seek first thekingdom.
Kingdom of heaven is within you.
Seek first the kingdom, right?
Well, so we hear that kingdomof heaven is within me?
Okay, but I'm still looking foreverything outside, right, this
is it.
Didn't you just hear what hesaid?
The kingdom of heaven is withinyou.
Oh, why aren't you lookinginside?
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Seek first the kingdom, do thatfirst, because once you get
yourself clear, everything elsebecomes easy.
Yuli (35:02):
I mean easier but I feel, like a lot of people in this
space, they know the truth deepinside, they're highly intuitive
and they might have the answers.
They might not know thescientific explanation for
everything they see or feel, butthey have deep intuition and
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they know the answers.
But they still maybe lack thatconfidence to go out there and
speak up for different reasons.
Maybe because they feel likethey don't have the right
scientific backing to make thosestatements.
Maybe they are concerned fromthe backlash, or maybe it's a
self-doubt that this is just meand my intuition imagining
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things.
This is just me and myintuition imagining things.
So there's a lot of thoughtsthat come to mind when you are
going out there and bringingyour mission out there and
sharing it with the world thatis not always friendly.
Udo (36:01):
So how do you overcome that ?
I think the answer to that isyou have to go deeper, Deeper
inside you.
The peace in you has no doubts.
The unconditional, empoweringlove that is your life has no
doubts.
It's always healthy, it'sperfect health, and the more
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settled you are in that and notjust when you're sitting still,
but you hold on to it when youmove around in the world.
Be present in your own spacewhen you're interacting in the
world, because that's where theconfidence lives.
And it doesn't depend on ascientific explanation.
You can find the words if youunderstand another person's
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language skills or theirvocabulary.
You can say things in a waythat they will understand using
their language, if you're reallyclear within yourself what it
is and that you would want tohelp them right.
And then, other than that, youknow.
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In psychology we were told thatwhen you don't have confidence,
it's because you're moreworried about how you look than
what you're delivering.
And it said, when you focus onyourself, then you get nervous,
and when you focus on the gift,on what you're bringing to
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people, you lose thatnervousness.
So I did a little experiment.
I was sitting in a room thatwas used for people to take
turns, talking about theirexperience and I wouldn't talk
because I was that shy, right?
I wouldn't talk because I wasthat shy, right.
So I sat in the chair, the roomwas empty and I pictured myself
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in the chair thinking about Imean, I was in the chair
thinking about how do I look?
And literally I couldadrenalize myself in a chair in
an empty room where there wasnobody, just by my stupid idea
of how good I look.
And then I would switch to okay, I'm here to give you the best
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I've got in terms of informationthat you can use to make your
life better.
And the moment I did that, theadrenaline went away and I
literally went back and forthbetween the two, and so it was
like I proved to myself what myprofessor had said.
I proved it to myself in my ownexperience, and that made it
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really clear to me I'm notcoming here to look good, I'm
coming here to deliver a message.
That's what made that go away.
And again, then, it's just amatter of time.
Every time you deliver themessage and you know you get
more focused because it workswell, because literally 99% of
the population that comes toyour talk wants to hear what you
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got to say but you can, butthen you don't get on stage and
you say, how do I look, right?
Then you say, oh, yeah, youknow.
Did you know that there are 60quintillion damaged molecules in
a tablespoon of oil?
That's 1% damaged.
Oh, now you're you know.
And did you know that morehealth problems come from
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damaged oil than any other partof nutrition?
And then you say, well, how doyou know?
I can back it up, I can tellyou how you figure out how many
molecules are in a tablespoon.
Right, Because that's all thebackground, that's the homework
you do, right?
And yeah, because it's notabout you.
So if you come there and it'snot about you, if you come there
, if you make it about them, howcan I help?
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How can I serve?
How can I?
What do I have that can maketheir life shine a little better
?
Yuli (39:53):
This is such a beautiful story and thank you for sharing
all of the really your journeyto becoming what we see, to the
diversion that we see today thatlooks so easy and makes you
know so much sense and how muchyou had to overcome.
I think it's just incrediblyimportant for people to hear and
so inspiring.
So thank you for sharing yourwisdom and your journey.
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I can't believe we're likerunning out of time.
I feel like we could talk forhours.
You have so much to share.
Udo (40:22):
We can do more.
Yuli (40:24):
I would love to do a part two, but before we leave, I just
wanted to ask you all a coupleof questions, any kind of last
words of wisdom for ourincredible community, and I know
the audience will have accessto your latest book, your Body
Needs an Oil Change, which I'mreally excited to share.
Yeah, if you would like to saya few words about that as well.
Udo (40:48):
Okay, so I made some notes before I came on right.
So the first one is what issuccess?
Well, it depends on how youdefine it, because it's your own
definition for your own successand it's different for
different people.
For somebody it's a milliondollars and for somebody is.
I helped a lady across the roadand I picked up her groceries
when her bag broke.
Right.
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What is success?
And you've?
And success is a feeling, it'snot a bank account, it's not a
status, it's a feeling.
Second one is rich.
You know success and rich goestogether.
Rich is a feeling because youcan have $50 billion and be
depressed.
So rich is an inside job, justlike success is an inside job.
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And, by the way, you'resuccessful because you're
breathing, and when you stopbreathing, then you'll be
unsuccessful, but you won't care, right, okay.
Then the other one was if youcan, if you're obsessed with
something, that's a sign thatprobably there's something there
that you want to explore.
You know, if you can be, andespecially if you can be,
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obsessed with helping and me,the stillness is always the
foundation, because when I feelcared for, it's not about me
anymore, you know, and all Ihave to do is bring my focus
into the space my body occupies.
That's where the care lives.
Life unconditionally loves meand empowers me, me being the
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body, right Life, and I'mactually life.
I'm actually that unconditionallove, that unconditional
empowering love.
So life loves the bodyunconditionally and empowers it.
When that's an experience foryou, you're literally capable of
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doing way more than you everthought you were.
Because you have you know,everybody has talent, many
talents.
When you're fully present inyour space and you feel cared
for and you're in peace, oh myGod.
There's so many different waysthat you can help and this is a
cool thing, okay.
And then the other thing isjust making the biggest splash
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for good that you can make inthe time you have on Earth.
Can't go wrong on it.
You can't go wrong on thatright.
And then, in terms of, yeah, Ithink that's pretty much it,
there's no formula becauseyou're unique.
So your story, your successstory, your story of what your
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life is going to be like, isgoing to be as unique as you are
.
So it's not bad to get advice,but don't make the advice more
important than your ownexperience and really push for
your own experience.
Yuli (43:38):
So now you I was going to say that we're making a big
splash here, I feel like, withthis conversation and sharing
your goodness and all the thingsthat you do to serve people, so
I feel very it very resonateswith me.
I feel obsessed with helpingthis community to expand and
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really get all the abundancethey deserve and fulfill their
personal missions on earth.
And there's so many people on amission that living in this
time and awake and discoveringtheir power when it comes to
health and they want to helpother people.
This is most people that cometo the holistic healing.
There are people that madetheir own discoveries and they
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just can't help but share itwith the world and they become
obsessed with sharing theirknowledge.
So I think you're literallytalking to the right audience
here, yeah, and it's a greatempowering message yeah, and the
book your body needs an oilchange.
Udo (44:41):
It's not formatted yet, but there's some good stuff in it.
Fats that heal, fats that killis the big book.
It's a very thorough book.
I didn't read it, you know.
I wrote it, but I didn't readit until about a month ago.
I had to look for some thingsin it and I started reading.
I said, wow, the guy who wrotethis really did a good job.
But you know, when you write abook, you know you don't.
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After the book is done youdon't generally read your own
book.
And I had it up to here.
You know it's very thorough.
It's very thorough and a lot ofpeople are saying, you know,
don't use oils and don't useomega-6s.
These days, complete BS.
Omega-6s are essential.
Omega-3s are essential.
They need to be made withhealth in mind and the people
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who say don't use them areblaming the sick omega-6s.
And the people who say don'tuse them are blaming the
omega-6s and the oils for damagedone by processing, and they're
not blaming the damage, they'reblaming the oil.
Huge mistake, huge mistake, andthere are a lot of people
saying that right now.
And they didn't look deepenough.
They've done half the homework.
They didn't do all the homework.
Yuli (45:48):
Well, thank you for doing the homework for all of us.
Udo (45:52):
Yeah, and I did it 40 years ago.
There've been books like that,there's always a book like that,
and they are not one of thepeople who wrote the books who
say don't use oils, don't useomega-6.
Not one of those people hasever talked to me and I have not
been hiding, and they just makeit up and then you know.
And then it's like oh my god,you know, like if you, you know
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you, if you yell fire, you getattention.
So that's what they're doingwith this thing and they're just
getting attention forthemselves and they're actually
not solving the problem becausethey're misrepresenting what the
problem is.
So you know, when it comes to,when it comes to oils, come and
talk to me.
Yuli (46:32):
Absolutely Well.
Thank you for all of thiswisdom.
I just feel like it's been apacked episode and thank you
again for sharing the earlydraft of your latest book and
it's very exciting and I wouldlove to dig deeper and please
come back for part two.
I feel like there's morestories to cover.
Udo (46:52):
Yeah, I talk about nature and human nature and total
health.
I'd love to do it, just set itup.
I hope that your audience getsinspired and gets something good
out of what we're doing.
Yuli (47:06):
Absolutely.
I know they will Thank you, Udo, so much again.
Udo (47:10):
All right, thank you so much again.
All right, thank you.
Welcome to the Healist Podcast, where we inspire and
guide healers through businessexpansion.
We give voice to incrediblyabundant healers to share their
stories.
We dive into the quantum fieldto unlock the energies of
conscious creation.
We also develop digital toolsto help you grow, which you can
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find on healistcom.
I'm your host, Yuli, and I'mgrateful you chose to join this
space.
Now let's go deep.
Hello, my dear friends, andwelcome to another super
insightful episode of theHealist podcast.
Today we have the legendary UdoErasmus, the founder of Udo's
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Choice Line, which can be foundat Whole Foods and other health
food stores worldwide.
He's an acclaimed speaker andauthor of many books, including
the best-selling Fats that Heal,fats that Kill, which has sold
over 250,000 copies.
He teaches at events hosted byTony Robbins and Deepak Chopra,
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has keynoted International BrainHealth Conference and has
traveled to over 30 countries toconduct thousands of live
presentations, media interviewsand staff trainings, impacting
more than 25 million lives withhis message on oils, health,
peace, nature and human nature.
Uda has an extensive educationin biochemistry, genetics,
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biology and nutrition, includinga master's degree in counseling
psychology.
I am just so honored to have youin our space and our holistic
community.
Welcome and, as you know, Ilike to set intention for each
episode and for this one.
I'm really so honored to havethis opportunity to inspire our
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holistic community with all yourwisdom, not just as a health
expert but also as an incrediblebusiness person who built this
incredibly inspiring holisticempire, and I really hope our
listeners can get some of yourwisdom and get inspired to think
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big.
All right, if you would like toset your intention as well
please do.
Udo (02:23):
Well, my intention is always really simple.
I came out of a war and I've.
When I was very young, like sixyears old, I said, man, there
must be a way to live in harmony.
Man, there must be a better wayto live than this.
And I'm going to find out how,and that's been my driver all my
life.
So my intention always what canI do in the situation I'm in
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that will elevate people'squality of life in whatever way
is possible?
That's all I'm interested in.
That's all I've ever beeninterested in, actually.
And it feels good in the heartwhen you do that.
It feels good in your chestwhen you do that.
Right, helping, helping feelsgood, so we're wired for it
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right.
Yuli (03:09):
Absolutely.
Udo (03:10):
And hurting feels bad, and I like feeling good more than I
like feeling bad.
So helping is what I'm obsessedby.
Yuli (03:25):
Amazing.
Well, speaking of helping, Iwant to kind of write in and ask
you when was the moment youfelt like you're into something
big, that you're reallyimpacting people with your work?
I know I'm sure there were manymoments in your incredible
career, but can you share someof them?
Udo (03:40):
Well, when it comes to oils , several things happened.
I got poisoned by pesticidesand the doctors couldn't help me
.
So that was one piece of it,right, and it was like, oh my
God, my health really is myresponsibility, and I sort of
knew it.
But now it was real, so it wasjust not an idea, yeah, my
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health is my responsibility.
It was like, oh, you know, I'mon my own here, right, and I had
the backgrounds to look in theresearch to find out about
nutrition and health, nutritiondisease.
That's really the focus that Ihad because I wanted to get
healthy.
So that was one piece.
The second piece was I found outhow much damage is done by
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industry to oils when they makethem the commercial oils, edible
oils, right, half to 1%.
And if it's 1% damage, then ina tablespoon.
You know, when I talked to themand I said, why do you do this
when you know it does damage?
Because I read that in theirjournal.
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And they said well, one of thereasons we do it is we can get
rid of half of the pesticides inthe oil.
And I'm thinking, oh my God, Igot poisoned by pesticides.
There's pesticides in oils.
50% of them stay in.
Oh my God, I didn't even knowthere were pesticides in the oil
, you know.
So this is like eye openers,right.
And then he said well, what thehell is your problem?
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It's like it's only 1% damaged.
99% of it's still good.
And so then I thought well,maybe I'm overreacting.
It's only 1%, so let me do themath.
So I said okay, how manydamaged molecules will you find
in a tablespoon of oil if it is1% damaged?
And I ask people that questionto guess Guess how many damaged
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molecules?
And they always guess Well,give me a number A tablespoon of
oil, it's 1% damaged.
How many damaged molecules inthe tablespoon?
I don't know.
A thousand, okay, a thousand, athousand, that's three zeros,
right, okay?
So you want to know the actualnumber?
Yes, it's a six, followed by 19zeros.
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Wow, it's quintillion damagedmolecules.
So what we're doing toourselves when we use these oils
, we're doing something to usthat, in your case, is 60
quadrillion times worse than youthink it is, and when people
give me numbers, they alwaysestimate at least a billion
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times lower than what itactually is.
So we're doing something toourselves when we use these oils
every day two to fourtablespoons of something that is
a billion times or more worsethan we think it is.
So then I say, okay, like you'regoing to get an airplane and
you're going to fly home for theholidays, right.
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So you got your boarding pass,you're waiting to board and just
before you board, somebody tapsyou on the shoulder.
You know this is a truth tellerOnly ever tells the truth.
By the way, did you know thatyour chance of crashing and
dying on this flight was abillion times higher than you
thought it was?
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Would you get on the airplane?
No, I was in Ireland.
I said I would canoe back toCanada, right, and my chance of
getting there wouldn't be thatgood, but I would prefer to do
it that way than to get on anairplane where I.
You know that.
I thought that you know wheremy chance of crashing and dying
was in your case today, right,60 quadrillion times higher than
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we thought it was right.
And I say that because you needyou that, because we do it,
because we're so used to doingit, we need to stop and think
what are we actually doing here?
So that was another piece.
It's like, oh my God, there'sso much damage being done to the
oils.
The third one was I found outthat 99% of the population does
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not get enough omega-3s foroptimum health, single most
widespread essential nutrientinsufficiency.
And then I was like, oh my God,if we could make them without
damage and we could bring themback into the population and
make sure that everybody gets it.
And make sure that everybodygets it, oh my God, we could
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help almost everybody.
And I got so inspired.
I just I found a purpose.
Oh my God, this is a missionfrom God, right?
And then I was like, and thatenthusiasm that I got, yeah, you
know, it's nice, like it's nicehelping old ladies across the
road, right, this feels good inthe heart.
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It's something we're made for.
Yeah, but I could help almosteverybody on the planet.
And then the goal become abottle of oil made with health
in mind in every fridge.
Because when I understood howmuch damage is done to oils, I
figured out we should makeshould be making oils with
health in mind rather than withshelf life in mind.
And so I developed a method fordoing that.
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And it has to be very tight,because light, oxygen and heat
damage oils very easily.
So you have to protect them.
If you want them to retain thehealth benefits, you have to
protect those oils and you haveto do that so that no light, no
oxygen and only low temperatureget to the oil from the time
it's in the seed, where nature'spackaging keeps it pretty well,
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through the pressing, thefiltering, the settling, the
filling, till it's in a brownglass bottle, because plastic
leaches into oil.
So you don't want plasticpackaging in a brown glass
bottle in a box, in the fridge,in the factory, in the stores,
at home and you add it to foodsafter they come off the heat.
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You never, ever, ever, ever usegood oils for frying, because
frying is the most damagingthing we do to our health, worse
than white sugar.
It's the most damaging thing wedo to our health Worse than
white sugar.
Frying is the.
You know, more health problemscome from damaged oils than any
other part of nutrition.
More health benefits come frommaking the oil change that your
body needs to oils made withhealth in mind.
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So that's kind of like a storyand that was, oh my God, we
could help almost everybody.
And then it was like you know,we never set goals, we never set
goals.
We never set goals every year.
You set a goal.
Well, we want to go up fivepercent, ten percent, we said.
You know, isis said okay, let'sjust get the hell out of there,
let's see how far we can get.
The goal was always a bottle inevery fridge, because
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everybody's already using oils,but they're all using oils that
are damaged, that are damaginghealth.
So those kinds of things cametogether and then and you know
the timing wasn't my timing Igot poisoned.
When I got poisoned I wasalready looking at the research.
When it was established thatomega-3 is an essential nutrient
, that was in 1981.
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I got poisoned in 1980.
So I was already.
I had my head in the journals,I was trying to figure it out
how do I get healthy?
And oils were really confusing.
So I kind of got locked intothat because they said omega-6
is essential, you have to haveit, you can't live without it.
And the very next study saidomega-6 gives you cancer and
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kills you.
And I'm going what.
I have to have it so it cankill me.
No, no, there's got to besomething wrong here.
And it was that contradictionthat got me to look deeper and
find out how much damage is doneto oils by the processing that
industry does, because they doit for shelf life, they don't do
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it for health.
And then, as, like, a wholeindustry got started making oils
with health in mind out of thisthing that came together by
forces much bigger than me right, and being poisoned by
pesticide became a gift at thatpoint.
No, I'm glad that happened,because it stopped me and got my
attention and and got me tolook right, and then the
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learnings began.
So there's several things thatcame together and it's kind of
it's.
It's usually like that when youknow you're in a situation, you
have certain talents, somethinghappens and you all of a sudden
you look at something and maybeyou see something you've never
seen before or that nobody'sever said before, and then
(12:08):
you're obsessed.
Oh, my God, you know we can dobetter than this.
Right?
I came out of a war, this islike stupid right.
And then out of that comes, youknow, comes inspiration, and
when you're inspired you have alot of energy.
Inspiration frees energy andthen you can do things that if
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you asked an accountant, shouldwe do this business?
He said don't even start, right.
And then instead, what getsdone gets done by passion, not
by bean counters.
Yuli (12:44):
No, it's a very beautiful story and I love that you turn
your personal challenge intothis beautiful solution that
helps millions today.
But it still sounds very simple, right, when you say fueled by
passion.
Can you help us for some of thepeople that may be having some
of those ideas or beginning ofthose inspirations, but they
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really don't know what the nextstep is?
They can see, they canvisualize it, they have the big
dream, but you still you know westill live in this 3D reality
that you have to make certainsteps and, yes, talking to an
accountant is one step, which isnot always helpful because they
can talk you out of things sothe same with legal and such.
(13:26):
But how did you proceed in yourcase?
What was the next steps in yourprocess to actually get that
beautiful idea to every fridge?
Udo (13:36):
Right.
So I think you have to embodythe inspiration and you have to
lose the three-dimensionalreality, right, because that's
all your doubts and all your youknow.
When you three-dimensionalreality, right, because that's
all your doubts and all your youknow.
When you were a little kid,your parents told you you can do
anything you set your mind to.
Then you become a teenager andyou start doing the thing
whatever you want, and then theysay you got to be realistic,
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you have to have a job, you gotto get you know what.
Are you going to be practical,right?
So first they set you up andthen they knock you down, right?
No, you have to lose thethree-dimensional reality.
You cannot do somethingoriginal if you don't let go.
You can't row your boat acrossthe ocean if it's tied to the
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dock, so you have to untie itfrom the dock, right, and a lot
of that, and there's self-doubt.
So what I did specifically?
I moved in with my mother.
I was 1983, I moved in with mymother.
I was 41 years old.
Oh wow, I moved back in with mymother and I, because I said to
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her I had said to her because Iwasn't working cause I had been
poisoned and I wasn't surewhere where I was going next.
And I said to her you know Iwant to write a book.
You know, I started readingabout fats and then this thing
was like oh my God, other peoplemust be, should be able to
benefit from what I'm learning,cause I I took a lot of
biochemistry, including fatbiochemistry.
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All of this stuff I was readingwas never taught in
biochemistry.
So I said, well, there must beother people who could benefit
from this knowledge.
Okay, well, I'll write a book.
So then I met a guy who wantedto make an oil factory, but then
his situation changed and hecouldn't do it.
So I said, okay, well, what canI do?
(15:25):
What can I do by myself?
Well, I can write the book.
That's a starter, right?
So I told my mother I want towrite the book and I could do it
weekends and evenings, but I'dlike to be able to do it full
time.
She said, okay, you can move inand you can get free room and
board.
So I was, and I'm living in thesame place that I was lived in
(15:47):
when I did that in 1983, andright right here was I had a.
I had a desk with a handheldnon-electric typewriter, click,
click, click, click, click,click, click.
And my friends were allpartying and I was on the
typewriter and sometimes I wouldsay I don't know why the hell
am I doing this?
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My friends are partying.
I like to party, right, andthen something would always
happen that would say no, no, no, keep doing it, you're on the
right track.
So then I wrote the book Firsttime.
I got 60 pages into it and Isaid this is garbage, so I had
to start again.
Second time, I got 30 pagesinto it, I said I wouldn't, I
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wouldn't buy this book, had tostart again.
And the third page it justrolled out.
I wrote 54 chapters, one afterthe other.
The only thing I did I just gotinto a flow.
And there's a point when you'reunderstanding, because I was
reading every day.
I was in the library all thetime.
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We didn't have.
I was driving to the library Imean taking a bus to the library
and then I'd go into the stacksand I'd pull the books and I'd
ask the library where's this andwhere's that?
And then I would read and readand read and take notes, and
take notes and look at this andeverything you know.
And it was like open-endedbecause I didn't really know
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quite yet what I was looking for.
Anyway, so on the third try, Ihad, you know, it just flowed
together and literally otherthan sleep and hygiene and eat,
I was writing and I wrote 54chapters, one after the other,
and then I, at the end of it, Isaid, okay, what else is missing
?
I wrote five more chapters andinserted them in various places,
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but it's like the book almostwrote itself.
It's like almost like channeled.
Wow.
You know, I don't usually thinkin terms like channeling, but
it feels like that.
I don't usually think in termslike channeling, but it feels
like that.
So I'm being used for somethingand there's a place when
something in you gets organizedand when you're obsessed with
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something, your whole beingorganizes itself around your
obsession.
It's just human nature rightNow.
If you've never experiencedthat, you don't know that
because nobody tells you that.
Right Now.
If you've never experiencedthat, you don't know that
because nobody tells you that.
Right.
But you know, you've probablybeen obsessed.
Once in a while you gotobsessed with something and
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magic happens, right.
So you want to lose that.
And then what happened was whenthe book got written.
I didn't really want to do moreand my brother, who's a science
teacher, you know he helped mewith the book and I tried out my
explanations on his grade ninescience class, because it has to
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be grade nine level to beunderstood, because I can be
much more technical than that,because I spent like almost
eight years at university andmost of it was in science, right
?
And so we did that.
And then he said well, you know, you should make oils, you know
what you're talking aboutmaking oils with house and mind.
(18:56):
You should do that.
I said no, I don't want to dothat, I just want to pontificate
, right.
And he said well, no, listen.
He said you know what you'retalking about, you've done the
studies, you've done the reading, you understand what you're
doing.
Now you're going to write abook and that book will get into
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the hands of people.
They will use your book to selltheir products, but they won't
make their products the way theyneed to be made.
So you should do it because youknow.
You know how it needs to bedone.
And I grumbled, but you knowwhat it was like he's really
right.
I hated that.
He's right, but he's reallyright and so.
(19:39):
So then I got, and then, whenthe book came out, some people
got really interested.
They said, they said theywanted to work with me and so
literally, the book found thepeople I needed.
Wow, and that's anotheruniversal principle that, if you
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like, I've noticed that when Ido something or I have a goal
and I'm inspired about doingsomething and I'm too lazy to do
it and I want, and I now lookfor help, I never find the right
help.
But if I start doing it and dowhat I can on my own, without
help, when I need the help, thehelp shows up.
How does that happen?
You know, it's the inspiration.
(20:21):
I don't know if you create anenergy field or whatever it is,
and people are sucked into thatenergy field.
I don't know how that works.
Yuli (20:28):
You become a magnet.
Yeah, literally.
Udo (20:32):
Literally.
And so the people to do itfound me one way or another, and
then that didn't do thebusiness.
I actually got screwed in thefirst business.
When the money started comingin, you know, they said, oh, we
don't need him anymore.
Oh, this is so good, it'll sellitself.
(20:53):
And then so they pushed me out.
Now I got depressed and I wasclose to suicidal.
Wow, you know, I put my wholelife into this, you know, and I
thought if I make it work forthem, they'll make it work for
me.
That's not always the case.
Then I rewrote the book, andthen the rewritten book
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attracted a different situation.
And so the idea is, you know,like if you do what you can do
without help, when you need thehelp, the help will show up.
But if you want to get the helpbefore you've done what you can
do without the help, then thathelp may not be what you need,
(21:35):
because then you need toactually work on yourself, with
yourself, by yourself.
So you take it to as far as youcan take it by yourself,
because why invite somebody intoit if you don't need somebody
in it, right, yes?
And then what happened?
We started making decisions.
You know, I have no businessbackground, zero.
(21:57):
I have not taken zero businessbackground, good background in
science and understanding theissues.
And we made decisions, rightand left, about the standards,
about how to make the machinery,about where to go, what to do,
what to say, how to explain itto people.
(22:18):
And of course, you learn it asyou do, that you get better at
it.
Because I was actually reallyshy.
You know, when I was a kid inschool never asked a question in
class, never Once.
Once I asked a question and theteacher told me I was wrong.
That was the end of my askingquestions.
Never asked a question inuniversity, always tried to
figure out things by myself.
(22:39):
So I was really shy.
And now I got this thing and nowI'm supposed to go out and talk
about it.
And I said to the guy whopublished the book he said, you
know, he said do you want to doa give a talk on fats?
And it was four months away.
So I said, oh sure, you know,safe, sure.
And then it closer, it came andsaid I'm not going to show up,
(23:00):
I'm just going to stay home.
I'm not doing it.
Because I was that nervous.
I said to him you know, I'mreally nervous, I don't want to
do the talk.
He said, listen, you just spentfive years on oils, so you know
more than 99% of the people whoare going to show up for it.
And he said the 1% that knowsmore than you.
(23:22):
Just listen and learn.
I was like, well, is it thatsimple?
And then I did my first talk.
My mouth was so dry, it waslike hard to talk, right.
But the moment that I got intosaying okay, I have something
that can be helpful to peopleand focused on helping, rather
than how do I look.
The moment I took the focus offme and how I look and put it on
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what I was here to help peoplewith, the nervousness went away
and now I can get up on stageand, honestly, I don't get
butterflies or anything.
I'm so comfortable.
But I won't get on stage if Idon't know what I'm talking
about.
So that's still there, right,yeah?
And now it's like I've talkedto thousands of people,
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sometimes thousands of people inone room.
Yuli (24:13):
Well it's such a beautiful story and there are so many
great lessons there and I thinkmaybe it sounded again very easy
.
But the fact that you also,after the being pushed out, that
you went back and actuallyrewrote the book and build it
all over again, that you wentback and actually rewrote the
book and build it all over again, it's just so impressive
because I feel like it'ssomething that shouldn't be
(24:35):
taken for granted.
It's really a special skillthat, like Phoenix, that gets
reborn over and over again, soit's really inspiring.
Udo (24:46):
Well, actually, let me tell you the story about that.
So when I got pushed out, I wasreally depressed and I talked
to somebody.
He said well, what's yourproblem?
You're just upset about an idea.
And I was like, what do youmean idea?
I put my whole life into thisright.
Later I said, oh yeah, it'sjust an idea that I'm upset
(25:08):
about.
But that didn't fix it becauseyou know.
And so I wrote to a mentor thatI have and told him what
happened.
And he had somebody call me andsaid keep working with flax.
And when I got that advice Isaid wait, why would I?
(25:29):
Why the hell would I want to dothat?
Flax is the cause of all mypain, right?
And it wasn't until severalyears later that I recognized
how important that advice was,because I already had 10 years
into flax.
I could have started fromscratch and moved in with my
mother again although she wasgone by that time, right, and
started from scratch again.
(25:49):
And he was wise enough and notemotional about my situation so
he could see clearly, you've got10 years into this topic, keep
going.
And so that's what that.
And then it's like, yeah,because even the fact that he
cared and to give me the advice,kind of like, ah, and so then I
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went on, then I rewrote thebook and then we improved, went
from flax to a blend that isbetter balanced, because I
actually became omega-6deficient on flax oil and I said
, well, I want to make somethingthat helps people, that can't
hurt people, and so then a blendcame out and then I went on and
I worked in digestion andworked with greens and worked
(26:35):
with different things, and nowit's total health based in
nature and human nature.
So it's just expanded, my thethings expanded from doing it.
So it's interesting that I'mit's not that I'm so smart or so
(26:56):
wise, I'm just I just want tohelp and there's an openness
that comes from that, becauseyou have to see, well, how can I
help?
And then if I get good advicethat allows me to help better,
I'm open for that.
If it's bad advice, I can blowit off pretty easily.
Yuli (27:16):
Yeah, that was a beautiful advice and a great point that
when we fail, we don't go backto square one, right, yeah?
Udo (27:24):
Yeah, well, if it's your mission, it's your mission, you
know Right.
But the thing is, you know howdo you get the mission?
To me, the most important thingis to do nothing.
Go stillness, practice everyday, spend some time alone by
yourself, alert, awake andpresent in the space your body
(27:45):
occupies, and feel what thatfeels like, because that's where
you find your peace, that'swhere you find the love that
everybody's looking for.
You already have it in you.
It loves you unconditionallyand it empowers you and loves
you unconditionally, and out ofthat love comes your inspiration
.
So what is your mission?
It's already sitting inside ofyou, but you have to get quiet
(28:09):
to discover it.
And then, what is that mission?
You become the inspiration forthat mission.
And then to deal with thethree-dimensional reality that I
told you before you should blowoff.
Well, at some point you have todeal with the three-dimensional
reality, like how do you chargeand what kind of billing system
do you build and how do youmake your presence?
(28:31):
How do you get your presenceout there, whether it's internet
or you join clubs or whateveryou do, right?
Well, you get somebody to dothat for you, because there are
lots of people who know how todo that and you make sure that
you're clear on the mission thatyou hold to the mission, that
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when it comes to the qualitycontrol of that mission, you
stay in charge.
I haven't always done that, butI've seen then how it degrades
the mission when other peoplebecause other people have their
own ideas about things, right.
So if it's your mission, youneed to maintain control over
what is the nature of thatmission.
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Because it's your mission, itwas given to you.
You know other people, some,some other people don't have a
mission like that and then theyjust cut corners.
You know when you, when you'reclear about your missions, you
don't cut corners, right, so so.
So then people say you know, dowhat you do best, and if you're
(29:34):
the visionary, then do that andhire or include other people
who have the other skills thatyou don't have and that's
important, beautiful.
You know, and then you can.
You know, if you're startingsmall, then you get part-time
help for that.
There are people who do booksand who can do marketing
(29:58):
campaigns on the internet.
You can go to the schools thatteach those people.
They'll get you the help.
You can sometimes getgovernment subsidies for part of
the expense of that, becauseit's in the government's
interest for businesses to besuccessful.
So I still don't have anybusiness background.
(30:18):
I'm a little bit morecomfortable with it than I was
and I don't really want to be abusinessman.
I don't know why I have thatvision, and it's always a vision
about helping.
And it comes out of the war andeverything being really stupid
and thinking, no, you know what,there's a better way to live
(30:41):
and how can we live better andhow can we prevent the wars?
Well, you got to find the peace, you got to find the power and
you got to then bring that intothe world.
That's how you build a peacefulworld.
You bring peace that you feelbecause you sit still to
discover it, and you bring thatinto the world it's such an
(31:03):
important point that you'remaking and I feel like a lot of
people in this space.
Yuli (31:08):
They have the, the mission , they have the vision, they
figure it out.
But I think the speaking partis still very difficult for
people because a lot of you knowhealers or holistic
practitioners.
They still carry this block ofbeing seen or, you know, maybe
being criticized by differentcommunities for maybe who find
(31:30):
their views controversial.
I mean, there's all kinds ofblocks, right, and I feel
personally and this is for me,the podcast is my mission of
being heard and getting thevoices out because we have to
speak up.
This community has to speak up,because if we don't speak up,
there's other information thatgets out there and gets way more
(31:51):
attention.
So it's really important toexercise that.
Udo (31:56):
Right, like disease management becomes healthcare,
right, right.
It's like I took a year ofmedicine.
I wanted to know what health isand we were only learning about
disease.
So I went to the dean and Isaid to him so what is health?
I came here to study health.
We call it health care.
So what is health?
He said we don't know, we'reworking on it.
(32:17):
I was like what you call ithealth care and it's not health,
right?
And then we were told in firstyear medicine a doctor should
always sound as though he knowswhat's going on, even when he
doesn't.
Oh, wow, and we call that lyingon the farm.
I said no, that's not for me.
And so I went back intobiochemistry and genetics
(32:39):
because I realized I learnedmore about health in biology
than I'm going to learn inmedicine.
Yes, because they're justfocused on disease and you don't
find out what health is.
You know you don't find theright answer by looking only at
the wrong answers.
You know when two plus two isfour, right, you don't.
(33:01):
You don't figure that out, youhave to.
You have to know that.
Well, once you know that, youknow that every other answer is
wrong.
It's like infinite minus oneanswer to the question what is
two plus two are wrong and youonly have one right answer.
Right?
If you guys find the rightanswer, then you automatically
(33:22):
also know what are all the otheranswers that are wrong.
So why aren't we looking forhealth?
And why aren't we looking forpeace?
And why aren't we looking forlove?
Aren't we looking for health?
And why aren't we looking forpeace?
And why aren't we looking forlove and defining what those are
, and especially defining themexperientially?
Right, because then you knowwhat it is and then you can live
(33:42):
really well and not be guessingall the time.
Right, because if you don'tknow the right answer, you're
always guessing.
And then you ask all theexperts, and all the experts
have agendas, and sometimes youdon't know all of their agendas,
right, and then they misleadyou because you're not leading
yourself.
So again that goes back to thestillness practice, because
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everything you're looking forout there terms of personal
fulfillment is built into you.
It's already within you.
But your focus wandered off whenyou got born.
You had to get to know theworld.
Your focus wandered off.
Now you're focused everywhereexcept within yourself, where
all the goodies are.
And so the wise people of allages I've always said come back
(34:30):
to yourself.
What you're looking for iswithin you.
You know, seek first thekingdom.
Kingdom of heaven is within you.
Seek first the kingdom, right?
Well, so we hear that kingdomof heaven is within me?
Okay, but I'm still looking foreverything outside, right, this
is it.
Didn't you just hear what hesaid?
The kingdom of heaven is withinyou.
Oh, why aren't you lookinginside?
(34:52):
Seek first the kingdom, do thatfirst, because once you get
yourself clear, everything elsebecomes easy.
Yuli (35:02):
I mean easier but I feel, like a lot of people in this
space, they know the truth deepinside, they're highly intuitive
and they might have the answers.
They might not know thescientific explanation for
everything they see or feel, butthey have deep intuition and
(35:25):
they know the answers.
But they still maybe lack thatconfidence to go out there and
speak up for different reasons.
Maybe because they feel likethey don't have the right
scientific backing to make thosestatements.
Maybe they are concerned fromthe backlash, or maybe it's a
self-doubt that this is just meand my intuition imagining
(35:48):
things.
This is just me and myintuition imagining things.
So there's a lot of thoughtsthat come to mind when you are
going out there and bringingyour mission out there and
sharing it with the world thatis not always friendly.
Udo (36:01):
So how do you overcome that ?
I think the answer to that isyou have to go deeper, Deeper
inside you.
The peace in you has no doubts.
The unconditional, empoweringlove that is your life has no
doubts.
It's always healthy, it'sperfect health, and the more
(36:22):
settled you are in that and notjust when you're sitting still,
but you hold on to it when youmove around in the world.
Be present in your own spacewhen you're interacting in the
world, because that's where theconfidence lives.
And it doesn't depend on ascientific explanation.
You can find the words if youunderstand another person's
(36:47):
language skills or theirvocabulary.
You can say things in a waythat they will understand using
their language, if you're reallyclear within yourself what it
is and that you would want tohelp them right.
And then, other than that, youknow.
(37:08):
In psychology we were told thatwhen you don't have confidence,
it's because you're moreworried about how you look than
what you're delivering.
And it said, when you focus onyourself, then you get nervous,
and when you focus on the gift,on what you're bringing to
(37:31):
people, you lose thatnervousness.
So I did a little experiment.
I was sitting in a room thatwas used for people to take
turns, talking about theirexperience and I wouldn't talk
because I was that shy, right?
I wouldn't talk because I wasthat shy, right.
So I sat in the chair, the roomwas empty and I pictured myself
(37:55):
in the chair thinking about Imean, I was in the chair
thinking about how do I look?
And literally I couldadrenalize myself in a chair in
an empty room where there wasnobody, just by my stupid idea
of how good I look.
And then I would switch to okay, I'm here to give you the best
(38:18):
I've got in terms of informationthat you can use to make your
life better.
And the moment I did that, theadrenaline went away and I
literally went back and forthbetween the two, and so it was
like I proved to myself what myprofessor had said.
I proved it to myself in my ownexperience, and that made it
(38:40):
really clear to me I'm notcoming here to look good, I'm
coming here to deliver a message.
That's what made that go away.
And again, then, it's just amatter of time.
Every time you deliver themessage and you know you get
more focused because it workswell, because literally 99% of
the population that comes toyour talk wants to hear what you
(39:02):
got to say but you can, butthen you don't get on stage and
you say, how do I look, right?
Then you say, oh, yeah, youknow.
Did you know that there are 60quintillion damaged molecules in
a tablespoon of oil?
That's 1% damaged.
Oh, now you're you know.
And did you know that morehealth problems come from
(39:23):
damaged oil than any other partof nutrition?
And then you say, well, how doyou know?
I can back it up, I can tellyou how you figure out how many
molecules are in a tablespoon.
Right, Because that's all thebackground, that's the homework
you do, right?
And yeah, because it's notabout you.
So if you come there and it'snot about you, if you come there
, if you make it about them, howcan I help?
(39:45):
How can I serve?
How can I?
What do I have that can maketheir life shine a little better
?
Yuli (39:53):
This is such a beautiful story and thank you for sharing
all of the really your journeyto becoming what we see, to the
diversion that we see today thatlooks so easy and makes you
know so much sense and how muchyou had to overcome.
I think it's just incrediblyimportant for people to hear and
so inspiring.
So thank you for sharing yourwisdom and your journey.
(40:15):
I can't believe we're likerunning out of time.
I feel like we could talk forhours.
You have so much to share.
Udo (40:22):
We can do more.
Yuli (40:24):
I would love to do a part two, but before we leave, I just
wanted to ask you all a coupleof questions, any kind of last
words of wisdom for ourincredible community, and I know
the audience will have accessto your latest book, your Body
Needs an Oil Change, which I'mreally excited to share.
Yeah, if you would like to saya few words about that as well.
Udo (40:48):
Okay, so I made some notes before I came on right.
So the first one is what issuccess?
Well, it depends on how youdefine it, because it's your own
definition for your own successand it's different for
different people.
For somebody it's a milliondollars and for somebody is.
I helped a lady across the roadand I picked up her groceries
when her bag broke.
Right.
(41:11):
What is success?
And you've?
And success is a feeling, it'snot a bank account, it's not a
status, it's a feeling.
Second one is rich.
You know success and rich goestogether.
Rich is a feeling because youcan have $50 billion and be
depressed.
So rich is an inside job, justlike success is an inside job.
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And, by the way, you'resuccessful because you're
breathing, and when you stopbreathing, then you'll be
unsuccessful, but you won't care, right, okay.
Then the other one was if youcan, if you're obsessed with
something, that's a sign thatprobably there's something there
that you want to explore.
You know, if you can be, andespecially if you can be,
(41:56):
obsessed with helping and me,the stillness is always the
foundation, because when I feelcared for, it's not about me
anymore, you know, and all Ihave to do is bring my focus
into the space my body occupies.
That's where the care lives.
Life unconditionally loves meand empowers me, me being the
(42:17):
body, right Life, and I'mactually life.
I'm actually that unconditionallove, that unconditional
empowering love.
So life loves the bodyunconditionally and empowers it.
When that's an experience foryou, you're literally capable of
(42:38):
doing way more than you everthought you were.
Because you have you know,everybody has talent, many
talents.
When you're fully present inyour space and you feel cared
for and you're in peace, oh myGod.
There's so many different waysthat you can help and this is a
cool thing, okay.
And then the other thing isjust making the biggest splash
(43:01):
for good that you can make inthe time you have on Earth.
Can't go wrong on it.
You can't go wrong on thatright.
And then, in terms of, yeah, Ithink that's pretty much it,
there's no formula becauseyou're unique.
So your story, your successstory, your story of what your
(43:23):
life is going to be like, isgoing to be as unique as you are
.
So it's not bad to get advice,but don't make the advice more
important than your ownexperience and really push for
your own experience.
Yuli (43:38):
So now you I was going to say that we're making a big
splash here, I feel like, withthis conversation and sharing
your goodness and all the thingsthat you do to serve people, so
I feel very it very resonateswith me.
I feel obsessed with helpingthis community to expand and
(44:03):
really get all the abundancethey deserve and fulfill their
personal missions on earth.
And there's so many people on amission that living in this
time and awake and discoveringtheir power when it comes to
health and they want to helpother people.
This is most people that cometo the holistic healing.
There are people that madetheir own discoveries and they
(44:26):
just can't help but share itwith the world and they become
obsessed with sharing theirknowledge.
So I think you're literallytalking to the right audience
here, yeah, and it's a greatempowering message yeah, and the
book your body needs an oilchange.
Udo (44:41):
It's not formatted yet, but there's some good stuff in it.
Fats that heal, fats that killis the big book.
It's a very thorough book.
I didn't read it, you know.
I wrote it, but I didn't readit until about a month ago.
I had to look for some thingsin it and I started reading.
I said, wow, the guy who wrotethis really did a good job.
But you know, when you write abook, you know you don't.
(45:04):
After the book is done youdon't generally read your own
book.
And I had it up to here.
You know it's very thorough.
It's very thorough and a lot ofpeople are saying, you know,
don't use oils and don't useomega-6s.
These days, complete BS.
Omega-6s are essential.
Omega-3s are essential.
They need to be made withhealth in mind and the people
(45:26):
who say don't use them areblaming the sick omega-6s.
And the people who say don'tuse them are blaming the
omega-6s and the oils for damagedone by processing, and they're
not blaming the damage, they'reblaming the oil.
Huge mistake, huge mistake, andthere are a lot of people
saying that right now.
And they didn't look deepenough.
They've done half the homework.
They didn't do all the homework.
Yuli (45:48):
Well, thank you for doing the homework for all of us.
Udo (45:52):
Yeah, and I did it 40 years ago.
There've been books like that,there's always a book like that,
and they are not one of thepeople who wrote the books who
say don't use oils, don't useomega-6.
Not one of those people hasever talked to me and I have not
been hiding, and they just makeit up and then you know.
And then it's like oh my god,you know, like if you, you know
(46:13):
you, if you yell fire, you getattention.
So that's what they're doingwith this thing and they're just
getting attention forthemselves and they're actually
not solving the problem becausethey're misrepresenting what the
problem is.
So you know, when it comes to,when it comes to oils, come and
talk to me.
Yuli (46:32):
Absolutely Well.
Thank you for all of thiswisdom.
I just feel like it's been apacked episode and thank you
again for sharing the earlydraft of your latest book and
it's very exciting and I wouldlove to dig deeper and please
come back for part two.
I feel like there's morestories to cover.
Udo (46:52):
Yeah, I talk about nature and human nature and total
health.
I'd love to do it, just set itup.
I hope that your audience getsinspired and gets something good
out of what we're doing.
Yuli (47:06):
Absolutely.
I know they will Thank you, Udo, so much again.
Udo (47:10):
All right, thank you so much again.
All right, thank you.
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