April 30, 2025 • 20 mins
In this episode of The Health Pulse Podcast, we dive deep into the cellular consequences of high sugar intake, examining how it drives insulin resistance and damages mitochondrial function—the energy powerhouses of your cells.
Learn how excess sugar leads to a vicious metabolic cycle, where insulin resistance and mitochondrial dysfunction feed into each other, fueling chronic diseases like type 2 diabetes and obesity. We also explore the unique role of fructose, why food processing matters, and what Dr. Robert Lustig has to say about mitochondrial dysfunction as a root cause of metabolic disease.
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Nicolette (00:01):
Welcome to the Health Pulse, your go-to source for
quick, actionable insights onhealth, wellness and diagnostics
.
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Join us as we break down keyhealth topics in just minutes.
Let's dive in.
Mark (00:24):
Welcome to the Deep Dive.
Today, we're jumping straightinto something that really
impacts everyone sugar,specifically how it messes with
your body, right down at thecellular level.
Rachel (00:38):
Yeah, we're going to unpack this whole connection
between sugar intake, insulinresistance and the health of
your mitochondria, those tinypower plants inside yourselves.
Mark (00:47):
We've got a pretty detailed article that lays out
the science and also this reallyinteresting YouTube discussion
featuring Dr Robert Lustig.
He definitely has some strongviews on this.
Rachel (00:58):
Absolutely, and our mission today is really to pull
out the key information fromboth of these.
We want you to understand whathappens inside your body when
you eat sugar, why it's soimportant for your overall
health.
Mark (01:08):
And give you some clear takeaways.
Right, Maybe a few aha moments,but without getting totally
bogged down in like supercomplex biochemistry.
Rachel (01:16):
Exactly, let's try and cut through the noise.
Mark (01:18):
Okay, so let's start with the basics.
What actually happens when youeat sugar?
I mean the simple version.
Rachel (01:23):
Well, the article explains it pretty clearly.
You eat something sugary,particularly the refined stuff,
and your body breaks it downfast into glucose.
This glucose then, you know,floods into your bloodstream.
Mark (01:35):
And that signals your pancreas to release insulin.
Insulin is like the key right.
It tells your cells hey, openup, take this glucose in for
energy or store it for later.
Rachel (01:45):
Totally normal process, essential.
Even the problem and bothsources really hammer this home
starts when it's just too much,too often Constant bombardment
with sugar, especially withoutthings like fiber or protein to
slow it down.
Mark (02:00):
It's like constantly ringing a doorbell, isn't it?
Eventually, the person insidejust tunes it out.
Rachel (02:04):
That's a great analogy.
The article points out, theserepeated glucose surges mean
your body has to pump out moreinsulin more frequently.
Mark (02:12):
And this is the crucial bit Over time your cells can
actually start to well ignorethat insulin signal.
They become resistant, likethey're saying nope, we're full,
that's insulin resistance.
Rachel (02:23):
Right.
Mark (02:23):
The cells become less sensitive and when that happens,
the glucose doesn't get clearedfrom your blood as quickly as
it should, so your body'sresponse is what To shout louder
?
Pretty much.
It has to produce even moreinsulin to try and get the
message through.
It's trying to keep blood sugarunder control, but it's working
over time.
Rachel (02:41):
And the liver gets involved too, doesn't it?
The article mentioned thatstarts converting that excess
glucose into fat.
Mark (02:47):
Yeah, which can lead down the road to non-alcoholic fatty
liver disease, nafld.
So that sugary drink isn't justsugar anymore, it's potentially
contributing to liver fat.
Rachel (02:58):
It's kind of scary when you think about the quantity
that article mentioned.
The average US adult consumessomething like 77 grams of added
sugar daily 77 grams.
Mark (03:07):
It's massive, way, way above recommendations, and it
puts this incredible strain onyour whole metabolic system.
It's not just empty calories,it's like a metabolic stress
test every single day.
Rachel (03:18):
And that strain hits the cells that need the most energy
hardest, right Like muscles,liver, the brain.
Mark (03:23):
Exactly.
It's like trying to run ahigh-performance engine on cheap
dirty fuel.
Things just start to sputter.
So insulin resistance, it'smore than just a blood sugar
number going up.
Eventually, the article callsit a systemic warning sign.
Rachel (03:37):
It really is.
It signals that your body'sfundamental fuel processing is
getting messed up.
It's like that engine warninglight on your car's dashboard,
even if the car seems okay for awhile.
Mark (03:47):
You shouldn't ignore it and the article points out you
can have issues brewing evenwhen your fasting blood sugar
looks normal.
Rachel (03:54):
Precisely because your body is compensating by pumping
out tons of extra insulin.
That's hyperinsulinemia.
It keeps the blood sugarlooking okay-ish, maybe for a
time, but the underlying problemis getting worse and that extra
insulin has consequences on itsown.
Mark (04:11):
The article links it to fat storage, especially around
the belly yep, that's stubbornbelly fat, and the energy
crashes too.
Rachel (04:17):
The cravings, that's your glucose regulation going
haywire because the system isstrained plus inflammation.
Mark (04:22):
I think I saw that.
Rachel (04:23):
Definitely.
There's research linkinginsulin resistance to higher
levels of these pro-inflammatorysignals in the body.
Little messenger is basicallytelling your system to be
inflamed constantly.
Mark (04:34):
And chronic inflammation is bad news for well, pretty
much everything.
The article also mentionedhormonal links.
Rachel (04:40):
Uh-huh.
Things like PCOS in women,potentially lower testosterone
in men.
It really has wide-rangingeffects.
Mark (04:47):
And maybe the scariest part it mentioned early aging of
blood vessels increasing riskfor heart disease stroke.
Rachel (04:54):
Yeah, even vascular dementia.
It's like the plumbing of yourbody is getting gummed up and
stiff much earlier than itshould.
Mark (05:00):
Wow, and it's common too.
The article cited somethinglike 40 percent of adults
worldwide might have it, evenwith normal fasting glucose.
Rachel (05:09):
It's huge and often completely missed because we're
just looking at one snapshot,like fasting glucose, which
doesn't tell the whole story.
Mark (05:16):
OK, so this ties into the mitochondria right, those
cellular power plants.
The article describes them asthe engines turning food into
ATP, the energy currency.
Rachel (05:25):
Exactly, they power everything movement, thinking,
immune responses, hormoneproduction Absolutely vital, but
they're also quite sensitive.
Mark (05:34):
Sensitive to overload, especially from sugar, according
to the article.
Rachel (05:37):
Right.
High sugar intake can damagethem in several ways.
First up is oxidative stress.
Oxidative stress like rust,Kind of Constantly processing
high glucose levels creates anexcess of these reactive oxygen
species, ROS.
Think of them like damagingexhaust fumes from an overworked
engine.
They damage the mitochondriathemselves.
Mark (05:59):
And that damage means they can't make energy, ATP, as well
.
Rachel (06:02):
Precisely which the article links directly to
feeling tired, brain fog, slowerrecovery times.
Your cellular engines aresputtering.
Mark (06:10):
The article also mentioned fat buildup inside the cells,
lipid accumulation.
Rachel (06:14):
Yeah, excess glucose gets converted to fat right
there in the cell, which putsextra strain on the
mitochondria's fat processingmachinery.
And, crucially, thisintracellular fat makes the cell
even more insulin resistant.
Mark (06:26):
So it feeds back on itself .
It's a cycle.
Rachel (06:28):
Totally.
And then there are AGEsadvanced glycation end products.
These form when sugar moleculesbasically stick out of proteins
and fats gumming up the works.
They further damagemitochondria and impair how
proteins function.
Mark (06:40):
So sugar isn't just messing with hormones like
insulin, it's directly burningout the cell's energy generators
.
Rachel (06:46):
That's a good way to put it.
And when your mitochondria arecompromised, your whole body is
less resilient to metabolicstress.
It accelerates aging, increasesdisease risk, even if the
surface numbers look okay for awhile.
Mark (06:59):
Which leads perfectly into this idea of a vicious cycle.
Right Insulin resistance andmitochondrial problems aren't
separate issues.
The article says they'reinterconnected.
Rachel (07:07):
Deeply, like two gears grinding against each other,
pulling the whole system down.
Mark (07:12):
Okay, let's trace that cycle.
The article lays it out.
You eat a lot of sugarconsistently.
Rachel (07:16):
Leading to high blood glucose and high insulin.
Mark (07:19):
Then cells become resistant to the insulin.
Glucose stays high.
Rachel (07:23):
Which overwhelms the mitochondria.
They're flooded with fuel theycan't process efficiently.
Mark (07:27):
So mitochondrial function declines, less energy, more
damaging ROS.
Rachel (07:31):
Which, in turn, makes the cells even more insulin
resistant and ramps up ROS,which, in turn, makes the cells
even more insulin resistant andramps up inflammation which
causes more damage.
Mark (07:38):
It's just a downward spiral.
Rachel (07:40):
It really is.
This state is sometimes calledmetabolic inflexibility.
Your body loses the ability toefficiently switch fuels or
manage energy properly, andresearch shows damaged
mitochondria directly impairinsulin signaling.
It's like a communicationbreakdown inside the cell.
Mark (07:56):
And those inflammatory signals like TNF-alpha, il-6,
the stressed mitochondriarelease.
They just pour fuel on the fire, making insulin resistance
worse.
Rachel (08:04):
Exactly.
The big takeaway here is thatwhat seems like just a bit too
much sugar over time can createthis cellular environment that
blocks energy production, drivesinflammation and completely
derails your metabolism, oftensilently at first.
Mark (08:20):
Okay, now let's bring in Dr Lustig's perspective from
that YouTube discussion, becausehe adds a really interesting
twist.
He suggests maybe, maybe themitochondrial dysfunction comes
first.
Rachel (08:28):
Yeah, he kind of flips the common narrative.
He argues that insulinresistance is often downstream,
a consequence of mitochondrianot working right like the
engine.
Sputtering is the root causeand the fuel delivery issues
follow.
Mark (08:39):
That's a big shift.
So he sees all those metabolicsyndrome diseases type 2
diabetes, hypertension, highcholesterol, heart disease, even
things like dementia, fattyliver, pcos.
Rachel (08:51):
As fundamentally diseases of the mitochondria.
Wow.
Mark (08:54):
So high blood sugar, in his view, is more of a symptom.
Rachel (08:57):
A manifestation, yeah, a sign that the underlying
cellular machinery, themitochondria, are broken.
He views insulin's primary roleas storing energy, pushing it
into fat.
Mark (09:09):
So if the mitochondria are struggling, how does that lead
to insulin resistance in hismodel?
Rachel (09:14):
Well, if a mitochondria can't properly process the
energy coming in, insulin's jobof storing that energy as fat
and clearing glucose becomesless effective, the body then
has to pump out more insulin totry and force the system to work
, even though the mitochondriaare struggling.
That's the insulin resistance.
Mark (09:29):
And he specifically points the finger at liver fat right
as a key driver.
Rachel (09:35):
He really does.
He sees that buildup of fat inthe liver as a major bottleneck
that triggers widespread insulinresistance, and he links the
explosion of fatty liver diseasedirectly to the rise in all
these other metabolic problems.
Mark (09:45):
And his main culprit for causing the initial
mitochondrial damage.
Rachel (09:48):
Dietary sugar, particularly the fructose
component.
He emphasizes how ubiquitous itis in processed foods and how
much power we actually have tochange our intake.
Mark (09:59):
He also mentioned other factors that can hurt
mitochondria.
Didn't he Beyond sugar?
Rachel (10:03):
Oh yeah, he talked about the importance of specific
fatty acids.
Mitochondria need the rightkinds, like omega-3s, to
function well.
Lack of those can causeproblems.
Mark (10:13):
He even mentioned radiation Like in space.
Yeah, problems.
He even mentioned radiationlike in space.
Rachel (10:16):
Yeah, apparently even ambient radiation can impair
mitochondria.
He's even consulted with NASAon this for long space flights.
It's fascinating.
Mark (10:24):
And environmental toxins.
These obesogens.
Rachel (10:27):
Right Things like flame retardants, parabens in
cosmetics, pesticides likeglyphosate, even air pollution,
those tiny PM 2.5 particles, heargues.
These can directly inhibitmitochondrial function and
promote inflammation and insulinresistance.
Separate from just calories.
Mark (10:41):
So it's often a combination of hits, not just
one thing.
Rachel (10:44):
Exactly, and while things like background radiation
are hard to avoid, the dietarysugar piece is huge and it's
something we can influence.
Mark (10:52):
Okay, let's dig into fats a bit more.
Based on what Dr Lustig said,he broke them down into like
seven types.
Rachel (10:58):
Yeah, it's more complex than just good fat, bad fat.
He listed omega-3s,monounsaturated fats, like in
olive oil, polyunsaturated, ingeneral saturated, but he's put
those into even chain from meatand odd chain from dairy.
Mark (11:10):
Right then, mcts, omega-6s and trans fats.
Let's unpack those Omega-3s.
Rachel (11:15):
Crucial Heart health, anti-inflammatory brain function
, maybe even protective againstAlzheimer's.
Mark (11:22):
But most of us don't get enough.
And the difference betweenplant sources ALA and marine
sources EPDH.
Rachel (11:27):
Big difference, he said.
Our bodies are pretty bad atconverting ALA into the really
useful EPA and DHA, so seafoodis key or, for vegans, algae oil
for DHA, though getting enoughEPA might still be tricky and
wild fish are better than farmed.
Mark (11:41):
OK, monounsaturated fats like olive oil.
Rachel (11:44):
Generally good.
He thinks Oleic acid acts onthe liver in a good way, but
don't overheat it.
Heating it past its smoke pointcan create harmful trans fats.
Better use cool or low heat.
Mark (11:54):
Polyunsaturated fats overall.
Rachel (11:56):
Mostly good anti-inflammatory but maybe a
bit unstable.
Too much could potentiallycause issues.
Balance seems key.
And saturated fats?
He challenged the all bad ideahe did.
He suggested the even chainones in red meat might be kind
of neutral, while the odd chainones in dairy could actually be
anti-inflammatory.
That's definitely a morenuanced take.
Mark (12:17):
Interesting MCTs, like in coconut oil.
Rachel (12:19):
They go straight to the liver Could be beneficial, but
he cautioned that if your liveris already overloaded with other
fats, MCTs might just add tothe burden and potentially
increase liver fat.
Mark (12:28):
Okay, omega-6s Common in seed oils.
Rachel (12:32):
Pro-inflammatory generally.
We need some for acuteinflammation like healing a cut,
but modern diets are overloadedwith omega-6s.
Compared to omega-3s, the ratiois way off.
He suggests we need way moreomega-3s and probably fewer
omega-6s.
Mark (12:46):
And finally, trans fats.
He wasn't a fan.
Rachel (12:48):
Not at all.
Call them poison, basicallyMostly artificial, made to
extend shelf life.
Our bodies can't break themdown properly.
They accumulate, cause fattyliver, heart disease Largely
banned, but they can still hidein small amounts in processed
foods because of labeling rules.
Mark (13:03):
He distinguished those from tiny amounts of natural
trans fats in things like milkright.
Rachel (13:09):
Yeah, the artificial ones in processed foods are the
real problem he highlighted.
Mark (13:13):
Speaking of milk, he had some interesting points there
too, about calcium absorption.
Rachel (13:17):
He did.
He acknowledged lactoseintolerance and allergies are
common, but he questioned howeffective milk really is for
calcium.
Mark (13:25):
Because of the phosphorus.
Rachel (13:27):
Yeah, he explained.
The high phosphorus contentinterferes with absorption.
It forms a compound our bodiesdon't absorb.
Well, he suggested.
Maybe that's why milk doesn'talways help with osteoporosis as
much as people think.
And milk isn't naturally highin vitamin D either, unless
fortified.
Mark (13:43):
He also touched on the China study and the milk cancer
link claim.
Rachel (13:46):
Right.
He was critical of interpretingcorrelation as causation.
There he made a funny analogyabout ice cream sales and
drownings.
Both going up in summer doesn'tmean ice cream causes drowning.
He stressed the differencebetween food science, nutrition
and metabolic health, saying thelatter what happens inside the
cell is what really counts.
Mark (14:04):
And about calcium supplements.
Rachel (14:06):
He seemed a bit skeptical about their broad
effectiveness for bone health,though maybe useful for some
specific things like leg spasms.
He worried about potentialissues if the calcium isn't
directed properly in the bodythough he admitted he wasn't
familiar with the role ofvitamin K2 in that.
Mark (14:23):
Just to clarify the fat categories again EPA and DHA are
types of omega-3s, which are atype of polyunsaturated fat.
Rachel (14:28):
Exactly, omega-3s are the family, epa and DHA are
specific members and the wholefamily is part of the bigger
polyunsaturated group.
Mark (14:36):
And for vegans, getting EPA and DHA is still tricky.
Algae oil gives DHA, but maybenot much EPA.
Rachel (14:44):
That was his point.
He also mentioned vegans mightneed to watch out for tryptophan
, needed for serotonin, andmethanin, important for
antioxidant defense Thingsusually abundant if you eat meat
or fish.
Mark (14:54):
What about omega-3 supplements for people who do
eat fish?
Rachel (14:57):
He thought eating wild fish regularly, maybe twice a
week, could be enough.
But given how importantomega-3s are, he felt
supplementing might still be areasonable idea for many people,
even with a decent diet.
Again emphasizing wild,over-farmed fish.
He had that interesting asideabout altitude too.
Yeah, suggesting higheraltitudes with lower oxygen
might trigger the body to makemore mitochondria, potentially
(15:19):
explaining lower rates ofmetabolic disease in some
high-altitude places.
It's an intriguing idea.
Mark (15:25):
Okay, let's really zero in on fructose again.
Dr Lustig detailed how itspecifically damages
mitochondria differently fromglucose.
Rachel (15:32):
Right, he said glucose can actually boost certain
mitochondrial functions, butfructose it seems to actively
inhibit key enzymes.
Mark (15:40):
Like AMPK, the energy sensor.
Rachel (15:42):
Yeah, a fructose byproduct apparently gums up
AMPK and it inhibits a TKDLneeded for breaking down fats,
and it indirectly hinders CPT-1,which lets fats into the
mitochondria in the first placeby increasing uric acid.
Mark (15:56):
So his argument is that fructose actively sabotages the
mitochondria's ability to burnfat and sense energy levels.
Rachel (16:02):
Pretty much.
And while table sugar is halfglucose, half fructose, he
argues, the negative impact ofthe fructose part is so
significant and importantly, henoted, in nature you always find
fructose packaged with glucoseand usually fiber.
Mark (16:15):
Which brings us to grains, starches and fiber.
He explained.
Grains are starches, longchains of glucose.
Rachel (16:22):
In two forms amylose straight, slower release, and
amylopectin branched, fasterrelease.
Higher glycemic index.
Mark (16:30):
But the key is fiber.
Rachel (16:31):
Absolutely crucial, he stressed.
Fiber slows down the glucoseabsorption from both types of
starch.
That's why whole unprocessedfoods generally have a lower
glycemic load.
Plus, fiber feeds your gutbacteria.
Mark (16:44):
And those gut bacteria make beneficial short-chain
fatty acids rightAnti-inflammatory stuff.
Rachel (16:49):
Exactly Good for metabolic health overall.
Mark (16:52):
He briefly mentioned extreme diets too carnivore and
fasting.
What was his take?
Rachel (16:58):
On carnivore he noted gut bacteria can actually make
those good SCFAs from meatcomponents so maybe it's viable
without fiber.
Citing historical examples likethe Inuit, he seemed kind of
agnostic but clear that thestandard American diet is
failing.
Mark (17:11):
And fasting.
Rachel (17:11):
He raised a potential concern If prolonged gut
bacteria might start munching onthe gut lining itself, the
mucin layer, potentiallyweakening the gut barrier, Needs
careful consideration.
Mark (17:21):
He described that gut barrier having three layers.
Rachel (17:24):
Yeah, the physical mucin layer, the biochemical tight
junctions between cells and theimmunological barrier with
specific immune cells.
Mark (17:31):
And different things affect different layers.
Rachel (17:33):
Right.
He said fasting could impactthe mucin layer.
Fructose can damage the tightjunctions, leaky gut, gluten can
too, in sensitive people.
High-fat, low-carb diets mightsupport the immune barrier, but
adding sugar to fat could messit up and fiber acts like a
physical food barrier, slowingthings down.
Mark (17:51):
So, boiling it down, what are Dr Lustig's practical tips
to minimize fructose damage?
Rachel (17:56):
Eat whole fruit.
The fiber is protective.
Focus on foods without labels.
Less processed, more fiber.
Mark (18:02):
And if it has a label.
Rachel (18:04):
Check the added sugar.
Aim for under 25 grams a daytotal added sugar, which is
roughly 12 grams of fructose.
Minimize processed foodsgenerally, as they're the main
source of added sugars andrefined carbs.
Mark (18:15):
Does the overall diet type matter much to him?
Plant-based, keto, whatever.
Rachel (18:19):
Less critical, he implied, than just focusing on
whole unprocessed foods, thoughhe personally favors a
pescatarian approach for theomega-3 benefits.
Mark (18:26):
What about juicing or blending?
Fruit?
Rachel (18:28):
He cautioned against it.
Removing the fiber means youget that fructose hit much
faster, losing the protectiveeffect.
Those bottled smoothies oftennot the same as whole fruit, you
have that great line.
Every label is a warning label,Be aware.
Mark (18:43):
Okay, so bringing it back to insulin resistance one last
time.
Lustick's core message is keepinsulin levels down.
Rachel (18:50):
Avoid the spikes.
And the main drivers of thosespikes are refined carbs,
especially without fiber, andsugar which are found mostly in
processed foods.
So his bottom line is prettysimple Less processed food
equals lower insulin, whichmeans less mitochondrial strain
and, ultimately, better health.
Mark (19:06):
So, wrapping this up, the big picture from both the
article and Dr Lustig seemsclear.
Sugar, particularly fructose inprocessed forms, is a major
threat to your cellular health.
Rachel (19:16):
Absolutely.
It messes with mitochondria,drives insulin resistance and
starts this cascade of metabolicproblems.
Focusing on whole unprocessedfoods, watching added sugars and
understanding fats those seemlike the really crucial steps.
Mark (19:29):
And here's a final thought to chew on, really building on
Dr Lustig's point.
Think about the processing offood.
He said ultimately, it's notwhat's in the food, it's what's
been done to the food thatmatters.
How much focus do you put onthe level of processing versus
just the ingredients list?
Rachel (19:45):
That's a powerful distinction.
If you want to dive deeper,definitely check out the sources
.
Dr Lustig's book Metabolical ispacked with info and his online
stuff is great too, and maybe,just maybe, try tracking your
added sugar for a day or two.
It can be really eye-opening.
Mark (20:01):
Definitely, and we want to hear from you too.
What are your biggest questionsor takeaways about sugar
mitochondria, insulin resistance.
After hearing all this, let usknow.
Nicolette (20:09):
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Mark (00:24):
Welcome to the Deep Dive.
Today, we're jumping straightinto something that really
impacts everyone sugar,specifically how it messes with
your body, right down at thecellular level.
Rachel (00:38):
Yeah, we're going to unpack this whole connection
between sugar intake, insulinresistance and the health of
your mitochondria, those tinypower plants inside yourselves.
Mark (00:47):
We've got a pretty detailed article that lays out
the science and also this reallyinteresting YouTube discussion
featuring Dr Robert Lustig.
He definitely has some strongviews on this.
Rachel (00:58):
Absolutely, and our mission today is really to pull
out the key information fromboth of these.
We want you to understand whathappens inside your body when
you eat sugar, why it's soimportant for your overall
health.
Mark (01:08):
And give you some clear takeaways.
Right, Maybe a few aha moments,but without getting totally
bogged down in like supercomplex biochemistry.
Rachel (01:16):
Exactly, let's try and cut through the noise.
Mark (01:18):
Okay, so let's start with the basics.
What actually happens when youeat sugar?
I mean the simple version.
Rachel (01:23):
Well, the article explains it pretty clearly.
You eat something sugary,particularly the refined stuff,
and your body breaks it downfast into glucose.
This glucose then, you know,floods into your bloodstream.
Mark (01:35):
And that signals your pancreas to release insulin.
Insulin is like the key right.
It tells your cells hey, openup, take this glucose in for
energy or store it for later.
Rachel (01:45):
Totally normal process, essential.
Even the problem and bothsources really hammer this home
starts when it's just too much,too often Constant bombardment
with sugar, especially withoutthings like fiber or protein to
slow it down.
Mark (02:00):
It's like constantly ringing a doorbell, isn't it?
Eventually, the person insidejust tunes it out.
Rachel (02:04):
That's a great analogy.
The article points out, theserepeated glucose surges mean
your body has to pump out moreinsulin more frequently.
Mark (02:12):
And this is the crucial bit Over time your cells can
actually start to well ignorethat insulin signal.
They become resistant, likethey're saying nope, we're full,
that's insulin resistance.
Rachel (02:23):
Right.
Mark (02:23):
The cells become less sensitive and when that happens,
the glucose doesn't get clearedfrom your blood as quickly as
it should, so your body'sresponse is what To shout louder
?
Pretty much.
It has to produce even moreinsulin to try and get the
message through.
It's trying to keep blood sugarunder control, but it's working
over time.
Rachel (02:41):
And the liver gets involved too, doesn't it?
The article mentioned thatstarts converting that excess
glucose into fat.
Mark (02:47):
Yeah, which can lead down the road to non-alcoholic fatty
liver disease, nafld.
So that sugary drink isn't justsugar anymore, it's potentially
contributing to liver fat.
Rachel (02:58):
It's kind of scary when you think about the quantity
that article mentioned.
The average US adult consumessomething like 77 grams of added
sugar daily 77 grams.
Mark (03:07):
It's massive, way, way above recommendations, and it
puts this incredible strain onyour whole metabolic system.
It's not just empty calories,it's like a metabolic stress
test every single day.
Rachel (03:18):
And that strain hits the cells that need the most energy
hardest, right Like muscles,liver, the brain.
Mark (03:23):
Exactly.
It's like trying to run ahigh-performance engine on cheap
dirty fuel.
Things just start to sputter.
So insulin resistance, it'smore than just a blood sugar
number going up.
Eventually, the article callsit a systemic warning sign.
Rachel (03:37):
It really is.
It signals that your body'sfundamental fuel processing is
getting messed up.
It's like that engine warninglight on your car's dashboard,
even if the car seems okay for awhile.
Mark (03:47):
You shouldn't ignore it and the article points out you
can have issues brewing evenwhen your fasting blood sugar
looks normal.
Rachel (03:54):
Precisely because your body is compensating by pumping
out tons of extra insulin.
That's hyperinsulinemia.
It keeps the blood sugarlooking okay-ish, maybe for a
time, but the underlying problemis getting worse and that extra
insulin has consequences on itsown.
Mark (04:11):
The article links it to fat storage, especially around
the belly yep, that's stubbornbelly fat, and the energy
crashes too.
Rachel (04:17):
The cravings, that's your glucose regulation going
haywire because the system isstrained plus inflammation.
Mark (04:22):
I think I saw that.
Rachel (04:23):
Definitely.
There's research linkinginsulin resistance to higher
levels of these pro-inflammatorysignals in the body.
Little messenger is basicallytelling your system to be
inflamed constantly.
Mark (04:34):
And chronic inflammation is bad news for well, pretty
much everything.
The article also mentionedhormonal links.
Rachel (04:40):
Uh-huh.
Things like PCOS in women,potentially lower testosterone
in men.
It really has wide-rangingeffects.
Mark (04:47):
And maybe the scariest part it mentioned early aging of
blood vessels increasing riskfor heart disease stroke.
Rachel (04:54):
Yeah, even vascular dementia.
It's like the plumbing of yourbody is getting gummed up and
stiff much earlier than itshould.
Mark (05:00):
Wow, and it's common too.
The article cited somethinglike 40 percent of adults
worldwide might have it, evenwith normal fasting glucose.
Rachel (05:09):
It's huge and often completely missed because we're
just looking at one snapshot,like fasting glucose, which
doesn't tell the whole story.
Mark (05:16):
OK, so this ties into the mitochondria right, those
cellular power plants.
The article describes them asthe engines turning food into
ATP, the energy currency.
Rachel (05:25):
Exactly, they power everything movement, thinking,
immune responses, hormoneproduction Absolutely vital, but
they're also quite sensitive.
Mark (05:34):
Sensitive to overload, especially from sugar, according
to the article.
Rachel (05:37):
Right.
High sugar intake can damagethem in several ways.
First up is oxidative stress.
Oxidative stress like rust,Kind of Constantly processing
high glucose levels creates anexcess of these reactive oxygen
species, ROS.
Think of them like damagingexhaust fumes from an overworked
engine.
They damage the mitochondriathemselves.
Mark (05:59):
And that damage means they can't make energy, ATP, as well
.
Rachel (06:02):
Precisely which the article links directly to
feeling tired, brain fog, slowerrecovery times.
Your cellular engines aresputtering.
Mark (06:10):
The article also mentioned fat buildup inside the cells,
lipid accumulation.
Rachel (06:14):
Yeah, excess glucose gets converted to fat right
there in the cell, which putsextra strain on the
mitochondria's fat processingmachinery.
And, crucially, thisintracellular fat makes the cell
even more insulin resistant.
Mark (06:26):
So it feeds back on itself .
It's a cycle.
Rachel (06:28):
Totally.
And then there are AGEsadvanced glycation end products.
These form when sugar moleculesbasically stick out of proteins
and fats gumming up the works.
They further damagemitochondria and impair how
proteins function.
Mark (06:40):
So sugar isn't just messing with hormones like
insulin, it's directly burningout the cell's energy generators
.
Rachel (06:46):
That's a good way to put it.
And when your mitochondria arecompromised, your whole body is
less resilient to metabolicstress.
It accelerates aging, increasesdisease risk, even if the
surface numbers look okay for awhile.
Mark (06:59):
Which leads perfectly into this idea of a vicious cycle.
Right Insulin resistance andmitochondrial problems aren't
separate issues.
The article says they'reinterconnected.
Rachel (07:07):
Deeply, like two gears grinding against each other,
pulling the whole system down.
Mark (07:12):
Okay, let's trace that cycle.
The article lays it out.
You eat a lot of sugarconsistently.
Rachel (07:16):
Leading to high blood glucose and high insulin.
Mark (07:19):
Then cells become resistant to the insulin.
Glucose stays high.
Rachel (07:23):
Which overwhelms the mitochondria.
They're flooded with fuel theycan't process efficiently.
Mark (07:27):
So mitochondrial function declines, less energy, more
damaging ROS.
Rachel (07:31):
Which, in turn, makes the cells even more insulin
resistant and ramps up ROS,which, in turn, makes the cells
even more insulin resistant andramps up inflammation which
causes more damage.
Mark (07:38):
It's just a downward spiral.
Rachel (07:40):
It really is.
This state is sometimes calledmetabolic inflexibility.
Your body loses the ability toefficiently switch fuels or
manage energy properly, andresearch shows damaged
mitochondria directly impairinsulin signaling.
It's like a communicationbreakdown inside the cell.
Mark (07:56):
And those inflammatory signals like TNF-alpha, il-6,
the stressed mitochondriarelease.
They just pour fuel on the fire, making insulin resistance
worse.
Rachel (08:04):
Exactly.
The big takeaway here is thatwhat seems like just a bit too
much sugar over time can createthis cellular environment that
blocks energy production, drivesinflammation and completely
derails your metabolism, oftensilently at first.
Mark (08:20):
Okay, now let's bring in Dr Lustig's perspective from
that YouTube discussion, becausehe adds a really interesting
twist.
He suggests maybe, maybe themitochondrial dysfunction comes
first.
Rachel (08:28):
Yeah, he kind of flips the common narrative.
He argues that insulinresistance is often downstream,
a consequence of mitochondrianot working right like the
engine.
Sputtering is the root causeand the fuel delivery issues
follow.
Mark (08:39):
That's a big shift.
So he sees all those metabolicsyndrome diseases type 2
diabetes, hypertension, highcholesterol, heart disease, even
things like dementia, fattyliver, pcos.
Rachel (08:51):
As fundamentally diseases of the mitochondria.
Wow.
Mark (08:54):
So high blood sugar, in his view, is more of a symptom.
Rachel (08:57):
A manifestation, yeah, a sign that the underlying
cellular machinery, themitochondria, are broken.
He views insulin's primary roleas storing energy, pushing it
into fat.
Mark (09:09):
So if the mitochondria are struggling, how does that lead
to insulin resistance in hismodel?
Rachel (09:14):
Well, if a mitochondria can't properly process the
energy coming in, insulin's jobof storing that energy as fat
and clearing glucose becomesless effective, the body then
has to pump out more insulin totry and force the system to work
, even though the mitochondriaare struggling.
That's the insulin resistance.
Mark (09:29):
And he specifically points the finger at liver fat right
as a key driver.
Rachel (09:35):
He really does.
He sees that buildup of fat inthe liver as a major bottleneck
that triggers widespread insulinresistance, and he links the
explosion of fatty liver diseasedirectly to the rise in all
these other metabolic problems.
Mark (09:45):
And his main culprit for causing the initial
mitochondrial damage.
Rachel (09:48):
Dietary sugar, particularly the fructose
component.
He emphasizes how ubiquitous itis in processed foods and how
much power we actually have tochange our intake.
Mark (09:59):
He also mentioned other factors that can hurt
mitochondria.
Didn't he Beyond sugar?
Rachel (10:03):
Oh yeah, he talked about the importance of specific
fatty acids.
Mitochondria need the rightkinds, like omega-3s, to
function well.
Lack of those can causeproblems.
Mark (10:13):
He even mentioned radiation Like in space.
Yeah, problems.
He even mentioned radiationlike in space.
Rachel (10:16):
Yeah, apparently even ambient radiation can impair
mitochondria.
He's even consulted with NASAon this for long space flights.
It's fascinating.
Mark (10:24):
And environmental toxins.
These obesogens.
Rachel (10:27):
Right Things like flame retardants, parabens in
cosmetics, pesticides likeglyphosate, even air pollution,
those tiny PM 2.5 particles, heargues.
These can directly inhibitmitochondrial function and
promote inflammation and insulinresistance.
Separate from just calories.
Mark (10:41):
So it's often a combination of hits, not just
one thing.
Rachel (10:44):
Exactly, and while things like background radiation
are hard to avoid, the dietarysugar piece is huge and it's
something we can influence.
Mark (10:52):
Okay, let's dig into fats a bit more.
Based on what Dr Lustig said,he broke them down into like
seven types.
Rachel (10:58):
Yeah, it's more complex than just good fat, bad fat.
He listed omega-3s,monounsaturated fats, like in
olive oil, polyunsaturated, ingeneral saturated, but he's put
those into even chain from meatand odd chain from dairy.
Mark (11:10):
Right then, mcts, omega-6s and trans fats.
Let's unpack those Omega-3s.
Rachel (11:15):
Crucial Heart health, anti-inflammatory brain function
, maybe even protective againstAlzheimer's.
Mark (11:22):
But most of us don't get enough.
And the difference betweenplant sources ALA and marine
sources EPDH.
Rachel (11:27):
Big difference, he said.
Our bodies are pretty bad atconverting ALA into the really
useful EPA and DHA, so seafoodis key or, for vegans, algae oil
for DHA, though getting enoughEPA might still be tricky and
wild fish are better than farmed.
Mark (11:41):
OK, monounsaturated fats like olive oil.
Rachel (11:44):
Generally good.
He thinks Oleic acid acts onthe liver in a good way, but
don't overheat it.
Heating it past its smoke pointcan create harmful trans fats.
Better use cool or low heat.
Mark (11:54):
Polyunsaturated fats overall.
Rachel (11:56):
Mostly good anti-inflammatory but maybe a
bit unstable.
Too much could potentiallycause issues.
Balance seems key.
And saturated fats?
He challenged the all bad ideahe did.
He suggested the even chainones in red meat might be kind
of neutral, while the odd chainones in dairy could actually be
anti-inflammatory.
That's definitely a morenuanced take.
Mark (12:17):
Interesting MCTs, like in coconut oil.
Rachel (12:19):
They go straight to the liver Could be beneficial, but
he cautioned that if your liveris already overloaded with other
fats, MCTs might just add tothe burden and potentially
increase liver fat.
Mark (12:28):
Okay, omega-6s Common in seed oils.
Rachel (12:32):
Pro-inflammatory generally.
We need some for acuteinflammation like healing a cut,
but modern diets are overloadedwith omega-6s.
Compared to omega-3s, the ratiois way off.
He suggests we need way moreomega-3s and probably fewer
omega-6s.
Mark (12:46):
And finally, trans fats.
He wasn't a fan.
Rachel (12:48):
Not at all.
Call them poison, basicallyMostly artificial, made to
extend shelf life.
Our bodies can't break themdown properly.
They accumulate, cause fattyliver, heart disease Largely
banned, but they can still hidein small amounts in processed
foods because of labeling rules.
Mark (13:03):
He distinguished those from tiny amounts of natural
trans fats in things like milkright.
Rachel (13:09):
Yeah, the artificial ones in processed foods are the
real problem he highlighted.
Mark (13:13):
Speaking of milk, he had some interesting points there
too, about calcium absorption.
Rachel (13:17):
He did.
He acknowledged lactoseintolerance and allergies are
common, but he questioned howeffective milk really is for
calcium.
Mark (13:25):
Because of the phosphorus.
Rachel (13:27):
Yeah, he explained.
The high phosphorus contentinterferes with absorption.
It forms a compound our bodiesdon't absorb.
Well, he suggested.
Maybe that's why milk doesn'talways help with osteoporosis as
much as people think.
And milk isn't naturally highin vitamin D either, unless
fortified.
Mark (13:43):
He also touched on the China study and the milk cancer
link claim.
Rachel (13:46):
Right.
He was critical of interpretingcorrelation as causation.
There he made a funny analogyabout ice cream sales and
drownings.
Both going up in summer doesn'tmean ice cream causes drowning.
He stressed the differencebetween food science, nutrition
and metabolic health, saying thelatter what happens inside the
cell is what really counts.
Mark (14:04):
And about calcium supplements.
Rachel (14:06):
He seemed a bit skeptical about their broad
effectiveness for bone health,though maybe useful for some
specific things like leg spasms.
He worried about potentialissues if the calcium isn't
directed properly in the bodythough he admitted he wasn't
familiar with the role ofvitamin K2 in that.
Mark (14:23):
Just to clarify the fat categories again EPA and DHA are
types of omega-3s, which are atype of polyunsaturated fat.
Rachel (14:28):
Exactly, omega-3s are the family, epa and DHA are
specific members and the wholefamily is part of the bigger
polyunsaturated group.
Mark (14:36):
And for vegans, getting EPA and DHA is still tricky.
Algae oil gives DHA, but maybenot much EPA.
Rachel (14:44):
That was his point.
He also mentioned vegans mightneed to watch out for tryptophan
, needed for serotonin, andmethanin, important for
antioxidant defense Thingsusually abundant if you eat meat
or fish.
Mark (14:54):
What about omega-3 supplements for people who do
eat fish?
Rachel (14:57):
He thought eating wild fish regularly, maybe twice a
week, could be enough.
But given how importantomega-3s are, he felt
supplementing might still be areasonable idea for many people,
even with a decent diet.
Again emphasizing wild,over-farmed fish.
He had that interesting asideabout altitude too.
Yeah, suggesting higheraltitudes with lower oxygen
might trigger the body to makemore mitochondria, potentially
(15:19):
explaining lower rates ofmetabolic disease in some
high-altitude places.
It's an intriguing idea.
Mark (15:25):
Okay, let's really zero in on fructose again.
Dr Lustig detailed how itspecifically damages
mitochondria differently fromglucose.
Rachel (15:32):
Right, he said glucose can actually boost certain
mitochondrial functions, butfructose it seems to actively
inhibit key enzymes.
Mark (15:40):
Like AMPK, the energy sensor.
Rachel (15:42):
Yeah, a fructose byproduct apparently gums up
AMPK and it inhibits a TKDLneeded for breaking down fats,
and it indirectly hinders CPT-1,which lets fats into the
mitochondria in the first placeby increasing uric acid.
Mark (15:56):
So his argument is that fructose actively sabotages the
mitochondria's ability to burnfat and sense energy levels.
Rachel (16:02):
Pretty much.
And while table sugar is halfglucose, half fructose, he
argues, the negative impact ofthe fructose part is so
significant and importantly, henoted, in nature you always find
fructose packaged with glucoseand usually fiber.
Mark (16:15):
Which brings us to grains, starches and fiber.
He explained.
Grains are starches, longchains of glucose.
Rachel (16:22):
In two forms amylose straight, slower release, and
amylopectin branched, fasterrelease.
Higher glycemic index.
Mark (16:30):
But the key is fiber.
Rachel (16:31):
Absolutely crucial, he stressed.
Fiber slows down the glucoseabsorption from both types of
starch.
That's why whole unprocessedfoods generally have a lower
glycemic load.
Plus, fiber feeds your gutbacteria.
Mark (16:44):
And those gut bacteria make beneficial short-chain
fatty acids rightAnti-inflammatory stuff.
Rachel (16:49):
Exactly Good for metabolic health overall.
Mark (16:52):
He briefly mentioned extreme diets too carnivore and
fasting.
What was his take?
Rachel (16:58):
On carnivore he noted gut bacteria can actually make
those good SCFAs from meatcomponents so maybe it's viable
without fiber.
Citing historical examples likethe Inuit, he seemed kind of
agnostic but clear that thestandard American diet is
failing.
Mark (17:11):
And fasting.
Rachel (17:11):
He raised a potential concern If prolonged gut
bacteria might start munching onthe gut lining itself, the
mucin layer, potentiallyweakening the gut barrier, Needs
careful consideration.
Mark (17:21):
He described that gut barrier having three layers.
Rachel (17:24):
Yeah, the physical mucin layer, the biochemical tight
junctions between cells and theimmunological barrier with
specific immune cells.
Mark (17:31):
And different things affect different layers.
Rachel (17:33):
Right.
He said fasting could impactthe mucin layer.
Fructose can damage the tightjunctions, leaky gut, gluten can
too, in sensitive people.
High-fat, low-carb diets mightsupport the immune barrier, but
adding sugar to fat could messit up and fiber acts like a
physical food barrier, slowingthings down.
Mark (17:51):
So, boiling it down, what are Dr Lustig's practical tips
to minimize fructose damage?
Rachel (17:56):
Eat whole fruit.
The fiber is protective.
Focus on foods without labels.
Less processed, more fiber.
Mark (18:02):
And if it has a label.
Rachel (18:04):
Check the added sugar.
Aim for under 25 grams a daytotal added sugar, which is
roughly 12 grams of fructose.
Minimize processed foodsgenerally, as they're the main
source of added sugars andrefined carbs.
Mark (18:15):
Does the overall diet type matter much to him?
Plant-based, keto, whatever.
Rachel (18:19):
Less critical, he implied, than just focusing on
whole unprocessed foods, thoughhe personally favors a
pescatarian approach for theomega-3 benefits.
Mark (18:26):
What about juicing or blending?
Fruit?
Rachel (18:28):
He cautioned against it.
Removing the fiber means youget that fructose hit much
faster, losing the protectiveeffect.
Those bottled smoothies oftennot the same as whole fruit, you
have that great line.
Every label is a warning label,Be aware.
Mark (18:43):
Okay, so bringing it back to insulin resistance one last
time.
Lustick's core message is keepinsulin levels down.
Rachel (18:50):
Avoid the spikes.
And the main drivers of thosespikes are refined carbs,
especially without fiber, andsugar which are found mostly in
processed foods.
So his bottom line is prettysimple Less processed food
equals lower insulin, whichmeans less mitochondrial strain
and, ultimately, better health.
Mark (19:06):
So, wrapping this up, the big picture from both the
article and Dr Lustig seemsclear.
Sugar, particularly fructose inprocessed forms, is a major
threat to your cellular health.
Rachel (19:16):
Absolutely.
It messes with mitochondria,drives insulin resistance and
starts this cascade of metabolicproblems.
Focusing on whole unprocessedfoods, watching added sugars and
understanding fats those seemlike the really crucial steps.
Mark (19:29):
And here's a final thought to chew on, really building on
Dr Lustig's point.
Think about the processing offood.
He said ultimately, it's notwhat's in the food, it's what's
been done to the food thatmatters.
How much focus do you put onthe level of processing versus
just the ingredients list?
Rachel (19:45):
That's a powerful distinction.
If you want to dive deeper,definitely check out the sources
.
Dr Lustig's book Metabolical ispacked with info and his online
stuff is great too, and maybe,just maybe, try tracking your
added sugar for a day or two.
It can be really eye-opening.
Mark (20:01):
Definitely, and we want to hear from you too.
What are your biggest questionsor takeaways about sugar
mitochondria, insulin resistance.
After hearing all this, let usknow.
Nicolette (20:09):
Maybe we can tackle them in a future deep dive felt
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