Episode 31- Jiu Jitsu: A Journey Beyond the Mat - Training and Mental Resilience - The HeathenMachine Chronicles

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Why Jiu Jitsu.
Join us today.
As we talk about Jiu Jitsu, thebenefits, we touch on some
training, strength andconditioning and things of that
nature with Jiu Jitsu.
So if you're curious about JiuJitsu, join us for this
conversation because I thinkyou're going to like it.
Enjoy, be the machine Out.

(00:22):
All right, man, let's start.

(00:52):
We're going to be live.
Let's go, let's do it.
Let's do it.
Kiers, how are you man?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
I'm fucking good man, I'm just happy to be here Hot
today.
Yes, it is.
It's fucking terrible.
Arkansas Missouri humidity.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, it was.
So I don't always check theweather And this is one of those
days where I should havechecked the weather for my
workout.
So I just assumed it was goingto be like a normal summer day.
But when you live in this partof the country long enough, you
realize that at night, 10o'clock at night, if it's still

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in the upper 70s, low 80s, it'sgoing to be a hot day.
And so last night I was.
I went outside and I was likewhoa dude it's.
It was like still 80 degrees at10 at night.
And so I knew I was like okay,we'll see.
So I got up this morning,stepped outside and I was like
all right.
And then I looked at theweather and it was already heat
advisory And I was like fuck.

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So I went out and startedworking out.
So and this is my first trainingsession since my competition,
so the way I kind of like I kindof fucked up my competition
prep because I miscaged thetiming It was my first one.

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So yeah, but so I ended upgoing usually like I'll train
for hard weeks And then like doa D load week.
So for leaning up to thecompetition, i did, i did five
hard weeks.
And then, coming into that,because I do, i only do two
sessions.
I do Thursday and Sunday, or my, my two strength and

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conditioning days.
So that Thursday was theweekend before the comp, so I
just did like a real lightworkout.
And then Friday Friday werolled really light And then
Saturday I didn't really do muchof anything.
I stopped over at Coops and wejust went over like some last
minute stuff like moves and craplike that.

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And then woke up Sunday, youknow, rolled or well, did the
competition.
And then I trained Monday JiuJitsu.
But I took Tuesday off because,like man, I was just dude.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Day after competition is a rough day.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Well, i actually felt pretty good, like I was weird,
parts of my body were sore, likemy triceps, dude, were super.
Yeah, what about your neck,dude?
My neck was okay but, like youknow, i bashed it in that guy's
knee.
So I re heard it Mondaywrestling And I was like, all

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right, i gotta be real careful,because leading up to me hurting
my neck real bad last towardsthe end of last year, was all
these little warning signs oflike bro, let maybe just take a
step back.
And that's why I didn't goTuesday, cause I was like I just
know it's going to happen, i'mgoing to, i'm not going to be
able to.
I try to roll light, but itjust never it never works out,

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yeah.
And especially when you got likeall you young cats, man,
everyone's just like you're likefuck it, we're going, man.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
I try to match your energy And it's always the best.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah, you do good Now , you do real good with that.
But like I just uh, yeah, so Ihurt that my neck and uh didn't
roll Tuesday, um, took Wednesdayoff And then today.
So today was like my first uh,real like hard session back and
holy shit, like, so I'm changingup my, uh, i'm changing up my

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rep scheme Cause if there's onething that that a takeaway from
my competition, uh, i think thatI'm going to be able to do that
.
Uh, i think it.
Probably it made me realize howimportant muscular endurance is
.
Like strength is superimportant And that'll always be
a component.
But, um, this go around, i'mgoing to start doing like the
jocco method, where I'm going tolike 20 rep, like deadlifts, 20

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rep, like today, um, so it's myfirst week into this block and
it's usually like my acclimationweek, so it'll I won't go all
too crazy.
So I did 15 reps on my trap bar.
I like to 75 and my legs hurtCause I like to do low bar.

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I like to do low bar, like onthe trap bar, the underneath I
always use the low bar.
So when I haven't, i haven'ttrapped our dead lifted and like
God, couple months, months,months, months and months,
because and that was such astaple of my routine was a trap
bar deadlift.
So do my legs are fried.
It was hot out Like.

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I was out there at a lotbetween.
Let me see, i started at about10 30 and finished up about 12
15 and I was bro, i was like Ifucking It was rough.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
I skipped out on squats Like a fucking idiot for
like maybe a month, month and ahalf.
I just wasn't, really I wasn'tbeing super disciplined with my
routine.
I decided to come back and youknow what?
I don't want to go heavy, soI'm going to do like a three by
10 at like a fairly decentlyheavy weight and, son of a bitch
, my fucking hamstrings.
We're just crying for the nextlike four days, man, oh my God

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Walk around.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
We do the things we do for her, for health and for
jujitsu, yep.
So, yeah, that's what we'regoing to talk about today.
We are going to dive intojujitsu.
I had my competition over theweekend and honestly it just it
really changed a lot of the wayI've used you jitsu.

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You know, because you and somany other people have competed.
you know, always tell me likeit's different, like there's
training and you get a lot ofvalue from it.
But when you, when you get outthere and you're competing
against total strangers who havejust as much to prove as you do
and they want to be successful,also competing, really put

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jujitsu in the perspective forme, because I guess, the way I
saw it was, competition is goingto be, i think, the closest a
person can get to being in likelike an actual situation where
you have to.
like self-defense situation,yep, and yeah, granted, it's

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give rafts, there's rules andyou tapping and all this other
stuff, but but here's the thing,man, like you know, if you're
in a self-defense situation, youget caught in that Like you
have to fight your way out ofthat, right.
And so I think when you're justtraining jujitsu and you miss

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out on that competition aspect.
I think that's a big chunk ofthe importance of of jujitsu and
what it can, what it can do foryou.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Absolutely, man.
Um, I kind of view it like thisman.
I feel like we have extremelygood training partners.
at the gym We're at, we havesome very tough fucking guys,
very strong guys, but at thesame time.
Well, and girls, of course.
But man, i feel like if youdon't test yourself in any
capacity, i feel like it's kindof like you're building a boat

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but you're never putting thatboat out on the lake.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
You know you never never know Yeah.
And if it's going to sink ornot.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, And I granted, I know we're going to have
people listening that are goingto be like, well, you know
you're not getting punched inthe fucking face.
and then jujitsu turned.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
And you know it's a dude.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
I understand Like there is a lot of schools where
it's watered down enough, right,they don't ever really take
into account striking.
but dude Tommy takes intoaccount fucking striking like he
.
that is his bread and fuckingbutter.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
So I talked to some of the guys I was in line with
right in the get onto the matsand I was talking about that.
I was like, well, you know my Iwas like the school I go to,
you know, our jujitsu is veryfight, mma, self-defense
oriented.
So, yeah, we're working clothesguard, we're working guard

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passing, we're workingsubmissions, but we're also
working on like, oh, if you'rein this position, you can throw
an elbow, yep, or if you're youknow what I mean And they'll are
here you can throw a knee rightinto their side and we work
stand up and we work punches,and so that's.
I think that's one of thethings I really like about LC is

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is.
It's funny because you knowwe're going to read some
excerpts from the Hicks andGracie book Breathe, but Hicks
and Gracie talks about theimportance of exactly what we're
talking about is jujitsu is isis so effective.

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But if you can't get a person tothe ground, then you know
that's going to be a problem.
So, like, you need to know howto get someone to the ground,
but you also have to besituationally aware, because you
don't always want to go to theground.
And again, that's why, like theschool we go to, because we
train a lot of stand up and howto escape, like if we end up on

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the ground and we don't want tobe there, how to escape And and
you know, i think that's thevalue of the wrestling aspect of
what we do too, because it'slike I know there's a lot of
jujitsu schools that I think alot more of them are adding the
wrestling component, but I thinkthere's still probably more
that don't.
Oh, absolutely.
There's a great number RightWhere they're just they, like

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they, just they pull guard andlike stand up.
We're not allowed to do that.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Yeah, So they happen to when I cross train at a
school.
I asked the guy.
I was like hey, man, you wantto start standing up?
We can't do that Like oh OK,that's weird Fucking crippled, i
don't know, And I was like Ijust thought it was very weird.
Yep, And I was.
You know, I was only a fivemonth, six month white belt at
that point.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Well, you know when you are first starting.
I know Tommy doesn't implementthe rule If he doesn't really
want to start standing or do?
people don't know how to fall.
They're bracing with their arm.
You know like well he tells youthat?

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yep, you know he's like.
I remember when I first startedhe said like the first couple
of months he's like start onyour knees, you know, and then
like, or guard, yeah, And thenyou'll get there to start stand
up, or now it's like 5050.
I'm doing like, leading up tothis competition, i started
mostly stand up with anybodythat wanted to work, stand up,
and then I think so I'm going todo that Memphis a GF in August.

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So I think you know, now thatwe got that wrestler there, i
think I'll probably We need towork with that guy man.
Yeah, Well, because you know,at that competition the trips
were there And if I, if I gotbetter position on the upper
body, like the single legsprobably would have been there
too, if I was maybe a littlemore savvy at getting those Like

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I think, um, yeah, i don't knowthat the stand up elements is
like really important, and butthat I think that was the one
interesting thing I did see atthis competition was, uh, i just
didn't see a lot of peoplepulling guard.
I mean, i saw a lot of people.
Well, they stand, notnecessarily like there's quite a

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few wrestlers, um, but likethere was a lot of heavy forward
pressure and like I had acouple of guys try to swipe at
my legs.
So, like the, i think thatcurrent's changing.
You know, it seems like it is.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
It seems like maybe for that competition.
I see I've seen a lot of guard.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Well, yeah, that's what I assumed, that that that's
what was going to happen to me,like people are going to just
try to pull their guard and pullme into it And I'm thinking
like, yeah, i'm going to do theguard pass to smash around and
didn't work out that way, youknow, and that's why I ended up
getting You didn't fucking know,i know Right.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
That's which is plan C or D is what's usually going
to go through.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Man that well, that was another takeaway from that.
Competition was having multipleavenues.
So if one thing's not workinglike, have something in your
back pocket and see that's.
I think where in my first match, my no-gey match, i didn't have
wasn't thinking that way, i wasjust very one track hyper fix.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Like I want to do this fucking thing right here.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
And while at the same time I didn't want to end on
the bottom or or anything likethat.
So I would hold a bad bit likeI would just stay in his guard,
even though he wasn't likethreatening anything.
And when he did I escaped outof it.
You know triangles, i waspretty easily able to escape out
of it.
You know that company.

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You know leaving thatcompetition like there's,
there's a lot of things I thinka lot of people don't understand
about jujitsu.
You know they.
It's easy to be critical of itwhen you're not a part of it I
was.
You know it's easy to kind ofpoke fun at because it looks
ridiculous.
I mean, it looks super gay.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
It is fucking awkward the first day or two.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Craig Jones, he wears that tie.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Oh, my God.
Yeah he wears the goofy as shit.
I fucking love him.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
He's doing that tonight Is there UFC fight pass?
Oh shit, yeah, flippa penha andNikki Rod and I don't know who
else.
And then they got that I can'tsay his name.
Really really good, really likea black guy.
I think he's from, i think he'sfrom overseas, but man, he's

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awesome.
Yeah, really really good skill.
Tall, he's like six to, i think.
Oh, he's just a lanky as shit.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yes, yes, yeah, those dudes are fucking dangerous.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
I think he submitted cyborg at 80 CC like super fast.
I think that's what I'mthinking of.
So yeah, they're.
But the one thing I think Ireally liked seeing was the, the
community aspect of jiu-jitsu,because you know, you know
you're training at your gym andlike you have your little micro

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community of the gym, right,Like all the people that train
all the time, I think.
but then I'll go to thiscompetition and it was crazy.
It was like everybody kind ofknew each other and such cool
people.
Well, yeah, like you'd seecoaches and practitioners talked
and you know, like chattingabout their life, and then they

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go out on mats, compete againsteach other, try to smash your
fucking head and like bestfriends after right And then hug
and shake hands and then theygo right back to talking about
whatever.
And it was just really cool tosee that.
And I think you know when I,when I think about the value of
jiu-jitsu in my own life, like Istarted jiu-jitsu because I
felt like I was getting soft.

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You know, a couple of years agoI was visiting my parents up
when they used to live up inMichigan And we had this
confrontation with this, thesedrunken fools down the road, and
I just remember thinking, likeyou know, i am confident in my
strength.
Yes, like you know, i'm notworried, but I realized I'm like

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I don't if, like I had to behonest, i'm like if I actually
get into a fight, i'm like Idon't know as much as I probably
really need to know.
And that was kind of a wake upcall for me because I had been
away from that for so long.
I'm living on the road.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Long time before us, right.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yeah, yeah, and so I.
so I had that situation And soI finally came to a point where
I'm like I need to probablystart getting into something And
like I found they'll see andthe rest is history.
I mean, it's like jiu-jitsu isrough, right, it's rough, and
Yeah, your fucking ears swell up.

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Yeah, you get busted off thefucking time, yeah, but, like
when you're done, you feelthere's like the sense of
invincibility you feel, becausepeople who don't train in any
kind of grappling don'tunderstand the kind of strength
you build and develop whenyou're grappling against another
human being who is either hasequal skill or is stronger than

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you, bigger than you, and youhave to figure out well, how am
I going to approach this person?
And they're trying to choke you.
They're trying to crank on yourlimbs and grown ass man.
Yeah, and you have to resistthat.
You've got to fight out of it,either by using strength or
technique or a combination ofboth.
Yeah, and like.
I think the value of that is itcan't be under, it can't be

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overstated.
Let me read this passage herereal quick.
So I'm going to switch over tobrief and it's about Hicks and
Gracie.
Now, if you don't know whoHicks and Gracie is, hicks and
Gracie is considered widely tobe probably the most talented

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Gracie out of all of them, likewith his jujitsu and his
fighting.
Was it Hoist Gracie that foughtin the UFC in the early days?
Was it Hoist?
So it was originally supposedto be Hicks and he was supposed
to.
Well, you read the book.
It's been a while, but yes, hewas supposed to be the guy
fighting in the UFC, not Hoist,but it's in the book.
So if you guys want to read thebook, i would highly recommend

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it.
He family drama business.
Oh God, he decided to not dothe UFC, he did Valitudo instead
.
He went over to Japan anddominated over there.
He would have dominated it, hewould have been see.
I kind of wish we would have sawHicks and Gracie, because he
was so much more aggressive thanHoist was.
Like he strut.
He wasn't just a guard pullerLike Hicks and would stand and

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trade and go for the takedownwhere Hoist pulled guard almost
every single time And it worked.
Oh, people know what the fuckto do, right, but now I mean,
look look at the debacle of CronGracie.
Did you see that?
Oh, dude, it was he.
Oh, you got fucked up to me Whyyou just butt, scooted across
the octagon.
Yeah, he lost.
I mean, yeah, like you can't dothat anymore, like everyone's

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savvy to jujitsu and the weakpoints of jujitsu And that's one
of the weak points It has beenthe takedowns.
So you know, it got exploited,but anyway.
So Hicks and Gracie um, i thinkthat's why, like the LC and
Tommy, you know, because that'sthe mindset they all have, like

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Hicks, and firmly believed youneeded to be able to strike and
takedown and the fight on theground and get back up.
He says it in the book.
He firmly believed that.
I don't know where, i don'tknow where the turn took to
where jujitsu became, or it'sbecoming kind of watered down,
you know.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
But I think anytime anytime you try to mass produce
something.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
look at like karate schools, like it's just there
Well and that's what's too badabout karate, because if you
know you look at, look at karatecombat now like karate is legit
.
Yeah, if you get into the rightkarate dojo you can like karate
.
you can fuck somebody up.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Speaking of which I hate to.
I hate to barge into this, but,dude, i seen a fucking story
yesterday.
I think McDowell July coveredit.
This guy no, I love McDowellJuly.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
He's fucking hilarious, right, but this 17
year old girl and her 15 yearold boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
This is overseas, i think it was, no, i'm not sure.
Anyway, they were on the beach.
These four dudes come up,literally throw this fucking
boyfriend off a cliff into thewater.
He lived, he goes and gets help.
And this guy who was running abar nearby, who the kid found?
he runs up and he is a karatepractitioner.
They are trying to rape thisgirl and he fucking beats all of

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their ass.
Hell yeah, hell yeah.
He literally saved this girlfrom being like completely
sexually assaulted.
Hell yeah, like.
He called the cops first,granted, which was fucking smart
, yes, but you know these guys,literally they had two of them
had rocks, one of them had atwisted piece of aluminum to
stab him with And one of themhad like something else sharp
they're trying to stab him with.
And he kicked all their fuckingass.
Good, cracked the shirt aroundhis hand.
Good, literally, i mean dude.
I'm not sure if you can see it,but literally I mean dude.

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That's what's up.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, I was fucking sweet, i'm like God damn dude, i
love seeing a martial artapplied in a self-defense
situation.
I don't care what it is, it'scool to see because I think I
just I think people have beenmartial arts gets so
misrepresented in movies.
You know, it's seems to go Allright.

(21:26):
We cannot go there, dude.
Oh my God.
Dude, is that Akito Is?

Speaker 2 (21:31):
that what he does.
Akito Harakido Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Fucking hate that guy so much.
Dude, okay, go ahead.
So does everyone else,apparently, man Michael Jai
White.
You know Michael Jai White.
Yeah, he's legit And even hehad issues with him.
I'm like Michael Jai White,what fuck?
Steven Segal up like thatdude's as bad ass as he get,
like he's totally and he'sstrong as shit, that seems going
to his ass kicks.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
so bad, Yeah, but dude he's so old now man.
Fuck him.
I don't care.
Break that motherfucker's head,man.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, he just made it look cool, like you know,
choreographed fucking actionscenes, like that's the point is
, society has been so like Idon't know if he sensitizes the
right word to use, but like Ifeel like martial arts it's just
, it's in movies, it's likegoofy, like people watch it and

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they're like, yeah, whatever,this is fun.
Nobody thinks that that canactually happen.
and it doesn't happen.
that way, like when you watchmixed martial arts, like that's
more realistic, like that's morewhat's likely to happen.
And even in a street fightsituation, you know, if you're
trained and the other person isnot, then buckle up because I

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mean, who knows what that otherperson's going to fucking do.
And again, that kind of goesback to the value to Jitsu is
learning how to control somebodyand not necessarily having to
hurt them.
but it's like if it's just aone-on-one and you're not, you
know, but it's not gonna stop,you're saying like there's not,
there's no threat of like theirfriends coming in, you can just

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Secure someone to hold in there.
you can even do it standing upif the person's small enough, i
guess you don't actually have tofucking, you don't have to
knock them out.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Why about their head hitting the concrete?
like you can literally justhold someone without fucking
Enduring them absolutely likethose back takes we were working
on.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yep, those chokes and stuff like that.
It's like you can get those fromany position you know it's so.
Yeah, okay, so, let me, let me.
So this is from the forewordwritten by Jocko Wilnick, and
I'm assuming most people listen.
There's probably no Jocko is, iwould imagine.
So yeah, if not, just look lookup Jocko.
Okay.
So This is what he says when hewas bored.

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So this is when Jocko got toroll with Hicks and Gracie
himself.
This is back when he was a bluebelt, like 225 pounds.
This was.
This is what he says when hewas bored with my pitiful
attempts at survival.
We stopped sparring and talk fora bit.
He asked me about seal trainingAnd he related to the warrior
culture of my occupation.
He also gave me an assessmentof my jiu-jitsu.

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I Quote you do a good job,staying calm and bad positions,
that is an important thing.
Soon, and quote Soon, the classwas over, we shook hands and I
think takes in first time andfor his knowledge.
Over the next few days I thoughtabout what he had told me you
do a good job, staying calm andbad positions, that is an

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important thing.
I realized that this did notapply only to Jiu-jitsu, it
applied to my job in the sealteams as well.
You're gonna get put in badpositions.
The enemy might get the upperhand.
You might be outnumbered oroutgunned.
Panic will destroy you.
You have to remain calm andThat, right there, i think, is

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the number one.
Great greatest benefit ofjiu-jitsu is Learning to stay at
home, learning to identify thatyou're not in danger, or
Learning to identify when you'repanicking versus when you're an
actual danger.
Because I think people, youknow, i mean when we first

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started, dude, you are so tense,right, and like you get caught
in a weird thing and you justhappen because, like I don't
know what to do, i can't breathe, you know.
But it's like, well, you know,you can breathe, like you, just
you're not breathing Freely.
Yeah, you have someone tryingto strangle you.
But see this, now this, let mesee here I'm gonna, i'm gonna

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piggyback that Forward withanother part and then we'll go
on.
So this comes later in the bookwhere Hicks in his 13.
He loses his first tournament.
He panicked, tapped to was itjiu-jitsu or value to do?
it was jiu-jitsu.
He was a huge kid, he was like13.
So this is what he said Let'ssee At 13, a big guy got me in

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the tight, in a tight headlock.
Instead of calmly defending myneck, i panicked, struggled and
eventually tapped out.
I was embarrassed that I tappedwhile Hollis watch had watched
and Hollis Gracie was.
Was Was at the time consideredthe most talented Gracie, but he
tragically passed away.
Okay, so this is continuingwith Hicks and I got home and

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asked him to roll me up in thecarpet for 10 minutes And not
let me out, no matter how loud Iscreamed or begged.
It was summertime and very hotand real.
The rug stank.
During the first few minutes,inside the carpet cocoon, i
thought I might suffocate anddie.
Once I resigned myself to myfate and embrace the discomfort,
my breathing slowed and I lostall sense of time.

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The next day, my brother rolledme up for 15 minutes and by the
end of the week I had conqueredmy fear.
This experience taught me animportant lesson about jiu-jitsu
.
Sometimes it's not aboutescaping, but about finding
whatever comfort you can in hell.
That's powerful man.
Yes, that, i think, is thepower of jiu-jitsu.

(26:59):
Like when we hear people talkabout Seeking discomfort right
or things like that, becausethat's we hear that a lot
nowadays and Like well, whatdoes that mean and what is
seeking like?
I think jiu-jitsu is the oneobvious modality training system

(27:23):
, self-defense system, martialarts system that someone could
get into.
That will Almost immediatelyincrease your confidence And it
will also increase yourdurability and your ability to
handle really shitty situationslike Being rolled up in a
fucking carpet.

(27:44):
I'm claustrophobic.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
You know, fucking hot it is in Brazil.
dude, yeah, right, yeah well,i'm claustrophobic, yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
And so when I was in the Marine Corps, we were
training with the French foreignlegion and We were doing what
we're doing this.
It was called a C cap courseand it was a air and C obstacle
course.
So on the land course there's aportion where we had to we had
to Belly crawl through theselike a tunnel, like a really

(28:12):
small tunnel, yeah, dude.
So I got in there mid andthat's where I learned I had I
was claustrophobic because, likethey, i got stuck in there,
like the people in ahead of mewere taking their sweet-ass time
.
So I get in the tunnel.
It's hot, you know, summer infucking Africa, jaboody, africa,
jaboody, and so it's really hot.

(28:33):
And I'm in this tunnel and likethe sides of my vision start
coming, yeah, and my sectionleader was behind me.
I start kicking.
I'm like get out, and like.
So, yeah, i had to wait foreveryone to go through and and
crawl through.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
But Here's the thing you backed out and then still
crawled through after the well,after the, everyone got out, so
I can just go through realquickly.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
And So I remember when I first started jujitsu
that that was something I knew Iwas gonna have to deal with,
absolutely, and and so here I am, over a year in, and I Can't
even tell you, last time I evenpanicked, tapped, i mean, it
probably stopped by the thirdweek, dude, fucking.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
I'm telling you what dude Shane is he?
he makes you feel like he'sbeing hard on you, but he
fucking gets you used to beingin a good, like a shitty spot.
Yes, you're so much morecomfortable after he gets
through conditioning.
Yes, what got you into jujitsu?
What made you take the punchnuts like okay, i don't remember
, it was Okay.
So, like I told you, i did thestint before nerfing school.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
That's right.
I did a six-month stint.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
I mean honestly I don't even remember much of it
and when I started, i think itwas after I Had a breakup It was
my first, my first girlfriendever.
We had a breakup, yeah and youknow, i was just like kind of
just pissed off.
Honestly, i needed I don't knowwhy I went.
It was just like I need likesome sort of outlet and I tried
it and, dude, i really don'tremember a whole lot.
I remember it was like I Waslike man, i get my ass kicked

(30:00):
all the fucking time.
But you know, like I rememberlearning some stuff and like
when I came back, i remembered Iretained some information.
I was still dog shit, but likeMan, i don't remember the
initial thought process becauseit was so long ago.
I remember I wanted to doboxing to mm-hmm and I'm gonna
kick boxing, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, i wanted to do kickboxingto and I remember staying after

(30:22):
and doing that and stuff.
and man Trevor Trevor Anderson,yeah, so I cannot wait for you
to meet him when he comes back.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
I've met him.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
I know, but gets like actually, i know right.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
So I mean, i fucking love learning from him.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
But anyway, i remember he helped me a lot with
striking and stuff and it wasjust uh, i Knew, once I
graduated I was like I have toget back in there, like I can't
just fucking give up on this,like this is too good to just
never go back.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
And I'm very happy with my decision, even though
all my joints pop and I Yeah,you know, they say Jiji, jiji to
ages you a bit, and I thinkthere's some validity to that
statement, because I Hurt inweird ways.
But but, but your body adaptsand You hear this a lot.

(31:08):
Right, you hear people whenthey just like Joe Rogan talks
about this a lot about when youGrab hold of like a wrestler or
grappler, they just feeldifferent.
They feel like wood, like Tommydude's, like wood, like iron,
he's a grip.
Yeah, like grainy, like just alifetime of wrestling and
grappling and fighting, like itturns your body into just

(31:31):
Something that can absorb impactand fucking give it.
Yeah, and then if you if you'renot striking you can go twist
someone's arm right off.
Literally Twist someone's armoff like a chicken wing, no
problem, like any one of uscould do that right now.
Yep, like Most of the whitebelts at our school could twist
your fucking arm off.
You know, like, which is crazyto think about.

(31:52):
Like I tell people who arealways hesitant about jujitsu
Well, there, and I get why, man,because I fucking it's social
media.
You'll people post thesehorrific injuries and like
people get in their arms, betand broke.
I love to send you like that'sa Action.

(32:14):
I don't think one person gothurt at all at this tournament,
not a single person.
If they did, it wasn't it?
There was no bone or anythinglike that.
Yeah, nothing crazy.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Nothing crazy happened and 90% time the person
who got the ship broke its.
Their fucking fall, yes.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yes, yes, or the rare occasion I did see one where a
guy was trying to like work atriangle and he grabbed his
ankle.
He snapped his own leg acrossthe guy's back.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
How in the fuck do you do that?
Do that man never had a drop ofmilk in his whole life.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
What he literally broke his own leg.
It was a going across the guy'sneck and you can see the guy.
He covered his ears.
It probably was loud as shitbecause me and Josh were
grappling and we were in thegeek Yeah, and we're against
that back wall.
He was.
He had a clothes guard on me.
I forgot what he was doing.
But Are you trying to give me atriangle or something?

(33:06):
But so I leaned into the walland I accidentally Smushed his
foot and I and it was right bymy head, so I just here's.
I was like, oh my god, dude.
I immediately stopped like bro,are you okay?
And he just was like Yes.
I don't think it's broken.
Then It was okay.
But, like dude, having that soclose to my ear was kind of

(33:29):
disturbing because he just hearit all.
You're like what the fuck?
Yep, dude, your foot's broke.
He's like, no, no, i was like,but what was all that shit?
Yeah, why did I hear glass likeit sounds terrible and like
when I was so okay?
so The guy I grappled in myfirst game match Yeah, tough,
tough, yeah, super flexiblewrists, and I was I tried to
marry con on him before I got iteventually and I remember his

(33:53):
wrist bending and I heard itlike cracking and like dude did
not tap, just Was great andBaron and man, and and then
that's when Shane's like he'sgot, he's flexible man, he got
you're gonna have to likereadjust.
And then that's when we we werebroke up and then reset in the
middle and I just Immediatelytacked that arm and I think the

(34:13):
key was like getting moreseparation between the head.
Yep, you know, with the elbow,like separating that out and
stuff like that.
You try to get the elbow lower.
No, i went high with it.
So it's probably.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah, i gotta fucking suck that shit to the side.
I know that's where I fucked up.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Watch his range of motion, just Bottom out that's
okay because it's like, look,that's something I can work on,
yep, and that's the cool thingabout this competition like
we're talking about before westarted recording, like you know
, and Tommy's said it andeveryone who's competed said it
but I Don't think you can reallyever gauge where you're at in

(34:51):
your Jiu-Jitsu game until youcome, until you put your Okay,
so you don't even have tocompete cross train at other
gyms.
Yeah, right then.
And then that way that'll giveyou like, if you don't want to
compete, and if you're at a gym,they don't care, then you could
go cross train, man, like, goto other gyms and roll with
people you never rolled with.
Because I now understand theThe necessity of competing.

(35:17):
It's well, it's not necessary.
But if you're serious Aboutyour Jiu-Jitsu and if you're
serious about wanting to bereally good, then you should
compete or serious about fuckingdefending yourself.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yes, you have to have that simulated pressure.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yeah, because all those people at that competition
, they're just as nervous, yep,but they're, and they're coming
at you at a hundred and fiftyfucking percent.
It was funny because I rememberCooper kept telling me he's
like dude, it's gonna bedifferent.
It's gonna be different, and Iknew he was right.
But, like You can onlyunderstand what they, what
someone, means by that, untilyou're there You're like whoa,

(35:52):
this is different.
Yeah, yeah, fucking get it nowbecause that adrenaline really
carries you through.
Like when I started my firstmatch, like You know, my
breathing was a little off and Iwas just nervous and stuff like
that.
But I Don't know, we got, wegot into it and my adrenaline

(36:12):
kind of took over and And oncethe match was over I walked off
of Matt and, like I remember, mywhole right arm was just Like
the cat dude filled with.
I felt like it was gonna burstand I was like, and I don't even
remember, no, i was like IDon't even remember it, i didn't
feel it yet, you don't feel itat all.

(36:33):
And so That's when I realizedI'm like okay, i got to relax.
I got to relax more because so,this is what happened with my,
my G match.
So I submitted that guy Mm-hmm.
So this is, this is how it allplayed out.
We got on, we got on the mat,that guy Grappled with the guy

(36:53):
who eventually beat me.
They went first.
So then they're like okay,you're gonna get five minute
break, and then I was gonnagrapple with the other guy,
loser, winner of that match, theloser okay.
But so these black belts comein and they have to jump in so
They do a match on our mat.
So because what they're refing?

(37:14):
so they had to get in, so theydo their match.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Would you think of the black belt match?
really quick, it was good,super well, they didn't hear.
No ghee, there's ghee, oh shit.
Watch them.
Try to get grips.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
It was actually pretty good.
It was actually really goodmatch.
The one guy was really strong,but the other guy was really
lanky and he beat him on points,but it was still a good match.
So So they grapple the blackbelts, go, and then I Go and I
grapple the guy that lost Mm-hmm.

(37:46):
Meanwhile the other guy who won, he's on 15 minutes of rest
already, damn it.
So I, i beat the.
So I think, and I think it wasabout the three minute mark.
I submitted that guy, i gotfive minutes rest And then that
was it.
So like this guy comes in 20minutes fresh And I'm like I was

(38:07):
mostly recovered, but like myright arm was still kind of dude
, i understand.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
yeah, i had a massage my arm last time, so I'm
bringing my third gun.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Next time I'm bringing this third gun and that
was because that that The thirdgun is money.
Yeah, so I should.
I wish I would have brought it.
I'm definitely bringing it nexttime.
So five minutes goes by and I'mlike I have to get back on
there.
I was like fuck, and then I, iWas just like I was tired, you

(38:38):
know, and that really suckedbecause I Mean if I would have
had a bit more.
Now I can't be upset becausethat just tells me that I can, i
can do more work on myconditioning.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
It just tells me yeah , but dude, That's like that
adrenaline Yeah that's not.
You can't hardly fucking trainthat man.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
I'm like you're right .

Speaker 2 (38:55):
That's true.
I mean doing wrong.
I'm sure your conditioningcould improve in some way.
Shape man.
Or be a man for an old fart.
You're in pretty fucking goodshape, man, like Jesus, pretty
good cardio.
It's just that it's that damnlike it's that damn adrenaline
like that.
Yeah, you realize it, but yourgrip is so fucking tight, oh.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Man and I'm like so, and I Cooper keeps saying this.
It's like oh, and there'sactually a really good Passage
in here that that ties into this.
I'm gonna read it real quick.
So this is also coming frombreathe, and this is this is
Hicks and Gracie on training.
We trained so hard in theacademy that tournaments seemed
easy.
Helio believed that the heartytrain, the easier you fought.

(39:34):
We learned at a very young agethat there was no point in
chickening out because itwouldn't get you out of anything
, and so we were talking abouthow our style of training,
especially at our gym, is solike Controlled aggression,
right?
everyone, everyone there isreally good about like nobody's

(39:55):
ever hurt each other.
You know which is crazy?
Yeah, like I'm, you know youknow what I mean.
Yeah and but yeah, we're like,we're usually training like 70%,
which I think is awesomebecause I Mean other than
competing, that's about asintense as you're gonna get, you
know, and we've got so many uplike upper belts at our gym and
and so like.

(40:16):
For me as a white belt, it's.
It's so awesome because when Ido go to this, these, you know,
this competition, it's it's justyou can tell.
You can tell a person skillalmost immediately, like what
they try to do or what theydon't try, like the guy not
getting his hooks, it like forme to your back, that's almost.
That's pretty fundamental.
Yeah, like, yeah, and and it.

(40:37):
Granted, i mean it was hisfirst competition too, so he's
probably the same thing going on, just nerves and and and like
just mad respect to him for evencompeting, really, really good
guy.
But I knew that when he didn'tget those hooks and I was like
well, i'm, he's not staying onmy back, like there's no fucking
way He's staying on that suchlike.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
I mean That's such a.
You know it seems like such acrude oversight from where we're
standing.
You know that tunnel is a realthing.
It's a real thing.
You can forget something smalland be okay, but there's some
things you just can't fuckingforget, like you cannot forget
to put your hooks on before youget on somebody's back, like
dude, it's so important.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
But you know it's funny, because When people don't
do, don't know jiu-jitsu like Iwould, it would never think
that how often?

Speaker 2 (41:19):
How often do you see people actually in movies when
they do like a reneged choke?
How often people actually puttheir hooks in because that shit
cracks me?
never.
John Wick done.
Watch John Wick do it, he doessamba to oh, he does.
Yeah, but anyway he does it onsome of those movies.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Ah, I've seen it, maybe an instance that maybe
like five times like you don'tactually see jiu-jitsu a lot in
movies, no, unless it's like aStupid fucking MMA movie or
something.
Fighter, i'm gonna fight youshould so lame.
Yeah, i bet you look.
Well, i bet you'll have it inRoadhouse.
The remake that hope nobodywatches because nobody fucking

(42:01):
asked for it.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Oh, it's kind of a record.
The bad guy, i don't know whatI don't know.
Oh yeah, fucking Shit man,that's gonna be fucking.
I hope it's.
I do kind of hope it's good,though, like I mean, i fucking
love that original so much, thatis you can't replace.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Swayze man, no man.
And who the fuck wants aRoadhouse?
remake anyway, you know, whenthe original still so good like
all these remakes are doingterrible, yeah, like, and They
want to blame the fans.
That it's like.
No, you idiot.
It's because, like all, hollyHollywood thinks originality
anymore is like gender swapping,race swapping.

(42:40):
And There's your remake.
Oh Well, we're gonna do ghost,we're gonna remake ghost buzzers
, but they're gonna be all womenlike.
Why.
Why yeah, it's already there,like your fan base is already
there.
Yeah, they're fans of theoriginal characters.
Like you, don't need to changeit.
That's why I failed.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
I don't know, but they'll blame the fans were
toxic or racist or whatever likethey always have an Alex like
oh Right, well, it's always,it's always.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
It's always our fault , yeah, for not wanting the
garbage that they're serving up.
And, like the writers, they'reon strike and it's like good,
yeah, nobody wants your garbage,it's still going on.
Yeah, holy shit, how funny isit?
Nobody gives a fuck.
How funny is that, cuz nobodyknows it's going on.
Yeah, i wait.
Good, writers are on strike.

(43:28):
A couple.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Like a month or two ago, i thought I heard about it
They're still going, huh.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Yeah, and there's no end in sight, and like I don't
think anyone gives a flying fuckI mean especially the public
because Okay, wow, sorry, wedon't, we're not gonna be
lectured to anymore.
Oh no, you serve a shit andthen complain We don't like it,
like yeah, oh they're, they'rereview bombing or or people just
didn't like it.

(43:52):
Yeah, how about that?
like you're a fucking thing ofthat possibility.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
You know, i love when there's a huge differential
between like critics and you andviewers like yeah, we're like
the rock made a score, so goodlike users, like this is like 7%
, like this is dog shit.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Well, that happened with the flash.
Oh, they got pretty goodreviews And I think the element,
element, elementals that stupidfucking Pixar movie that just
came out I don't know it isstupid, but they bombed.
I mean, yeah, bombed horriblyAnd it's like, well, no shit for
one who's fucking.
The superhero genre is thelamest of all.

(44:27):
It's so fucking lame.
I get people that listen,there's probably love that shit.
Yeah, but like I, i love comics, but I liked non superhero
comics.
I like science fiction comicsand The superhero shit I got
into was typically Batman orspawn like that spawn,
especially image comics, darker.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Like yeah, i think that's why I like shows okay,
because they're just there,they're.
I don't think anyone can denythat their Marvel has just done,
put out so much.
I think that's why shows likethe boys they just like turn
everything on its head and killthe fucking heroes, like that's
why that shit's popular.
Because, like you know, likewell, it's too.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
It's like all these, all these Marvel movies They're
just the childish, they'refucking childish.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
There's some one big CGI cluster.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Oh, the CGI is terrible, like the writings,
awful the store.
Look man, the thing about agood story is you have to have
something at stake and there'snothing ever.
It's like it's just gets bigger, like it gets so big.
Like who fucking?
all the multiverses are indanger.
Like who fucking cares?
man, it's gonna be fixed by theend of the movie.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
You know exactly.
I'll tell you what the peak ofpopularity would probably be.
So I think it was which moviewasn't worth it.
I was fucking snapped.
I don't remember if you watchany of them.
It was one of the Avengers.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Yeah, but dude, like they killed off.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah, they killed off Infinity war.
Was that right?
Was that fucking no, but anyway, he killed off half the
characters right at the end ofthe movie.
I think I'll come back.
I know I'm not here to fuckingstay.
I was like holy shit, They justactually took a chance and
killed off all these people.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
That's bad, i'll be back.
They're already back.
Yeah, of course they are.
So it's like who the fuck caresexcept Iron Man?
Well, he'll be back as a girlor something.
No, and there's even talks ofhim coming back as, like what
dude.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Bob Downey Jr.
Yeah, why, like fucking?
I Mean to be fair.
Ever since then it's been kindof like You know what it's funny
is?

Speaker 1 (46:19):
I think with the flash, i think they thought,
like bringing back MichaelKeaton, ben Affleck, that it was
gonna somehow help the movieand I could just no one gave a
fuck.
No, i gave a fuck, yeah whichwell They were trying.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
I think they've tried to rip on, like the whole
Spider-Man hit, because theybrought back all the old
Spider-Man's and The latestmovie they have that Toby
McGuire and Andrew Garfield.
Maybe they were trying to kindof like riff off that and use
that.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Have you seen that?
What is it?
that's?
the spider-verse one, theanimated one.
Have you seen those?

Speaker 2 (46:48):
miles, morales one.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
I haven't me neither.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
No, but then again, I'm not just, I'm not out
looking for superhero movies.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
I'll probably watch Guardians of the Galaxy 3
because I like the first two andthey're the least Superhero
like out of any of them, like,like.
I feel like Guardians of Galaxyis like a good science fiction,
yeah, like story and show, likeyou could remove it from Marvel
completely and it's stillreally cool.
Mm-hmm, i would would prefer itbe separated from That whole

(47:17):
thing because, like they don't.
I think that's why Guardians ofGalaxy has always done well,
because it feels the least likea superhero movie.
It's like they're often spaceflying around in spaceships, so
it's like Star Wars, you know,it's like you look at it like
that way.
What about X-Men?
though?
You fuck with X-Men.
I did in the early 90s, though,when they were like edgy Yeah,
because that's man used to beedgy like I don't know.

(47:38):
They're kind of cheesy now, butlike in the 90s the X-Men were,
it was dark.
It was like a really dark comicseries and especially Wolverine
I fucking love.
Like I Wish they did an honest,like a More accurate Wolverine.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
I wish they had.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Logan dude.
Do you watch Logan?
Yeah, but Wolverine okay.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
He's six foot three.
Why is he six feet?

Speaker 1 (48:00):
two like why is Wolverine sick?
a Wolverine is a Wolverinebecause it's ferocious and small
.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Is he that way in the comics?
Are you fucking kidding?

Speaker 1 (48:07):
me Dude.
He's like five foot two in thecomics.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Seriously, yeah, holy shit, he's not tall, it's
fucking huge Jackman, bro, comeon.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Fuck you Like get Tom Hardy or something man like get
someone shorter.
Damn, wolverine is a musclebound like four foot eleven
motherfucker in the comics.
He's a compensating mother.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
He's a.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
That's what a fucking Wolverine is.
It's not a bear, it's aWolverine.
That's why it's a Wolverine.
They'll fuck up a bear.
So why is he tall?
I think it doesn't make anysense.
Discrimination against shortpeople absolutely this man is a.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
We're so fucking off course right now.
Holy shit we need or we'regonna go.
We are off to get so.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
That's all I did.
That's how it goes.
Yeah, i was bringing backjujitsu, so training wise.
so, yeah, talking about theintensity of training, well, and
I Can see why that's important.
So I was watching a video Yes,actually I've been talking about
this.
I saw a video of a couple purplebelts, right, and One was a

(49:22):
purple belt who competedirregularly, and then the other
purple belt was just one thatjust trained, yes, and they,
they sparred against each otherand it was night and day.
It was like the competitivepurple belt was way quicker, was
Like his, his pressure andintensity was was greater, hmm,

(49:46):
and it was almost like the otherpurple belt like struggled to
keep up because And I get why,when you're in that competition
mindset, you like, you like ifthere's a submission there, you
better fucking grab it asquickly as possible.
And so he ended up kind ofoverwhelming this other purple
belt, just.
And I thought that was reallyinteresting because, like you

(50:06):
don't see that when you're doingjujitsu and you're just
training jujitsu, you knowwhatever for the health benefit,
and like let me just make thisclear, there's nothing, you
don't have to compete, like,like, jujitsu is awesome and
you're gonna get a ton out of itjust by just training with your
training partners.
It's just that the competitionaspect of it It really like It,

(50:27):
highlights your weaknesses in away that, like your training
partners can't, because I.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Mean your training partner shouldn't be trying to
fuck you up, exactly right.
I mean they're trying, theywant to, they want to push you,
but they want to keep youhealthy.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Yes, and, but a lot of times.
Okay, here's.
Here's an interesting thing.
This is a very interestingphenomenon.
I've Been learning aboutjujitsu.
I Think a lot of like,especially white belts, they, i
Can, i say this.
So I think a lot of white beltsget this misunderstanding When

(51:03):
they roll with an upper belt andthey like, maybe they get a tap
or a submission.
Yeah, like, they confuse thatwith them actually being good as
opposed to like, not it thatguy just like is letting you
work Like.
That's how that works.
Like An upper belt, who'slooking out for you will let you
finish this submission.
They will let you work likechase.
He will let me work something.

(51:24):
I know he is like I don't thinkfor one fucking minute I'm
getting mine up on shit.
There's no fucking way.
I'm like you fucking, becausewhen he does that, i'm like bro,
thank you for letting me worklike.
I know what you're doing like.
I know I'm not getting like,but Thank because it's helping
me, i And it's helping himbecause it's making me better.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
So we're putting himself in a bad position So he
can learn to work out of it.
Of course he can And you canwork on because he does Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
And I just I know he's letting me work, so it's
like it's one of those thingswhere I think a lot of lower
belts, white belts especially,they come in and they think,
well, this guy can't submit me,or you know, they have this ego
thing, yeah, and I was readingthis on a forum and and it was
funny because a lot of theseupper belts were like, when you

(52:10):
get a brand new white belt, anyre-roll with them, just fucking
submit them right off the bat,just so they know like, hey,
welcome to the club.
Yep, and you know, don't thinkwe've had a good.
I think we've had.
I don't think we've ever hadany real big problems with
anyone coming in like I see this, we've been.

(52:30):
Well, we had that one guy.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Are you talking about a few weeks ago?

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Yeah, yeah, well, name names, but like, yeah, okay
.
So we had this guy come in, youknow, you know, it seemed like
he was really trying tointimidate everybody, which was
weird because he wasn't that big.
Um, and he kind of he knew hewas really wish you watched you
about, like, did he grapple ornot?
Did he fight and all this otherstuff?
Did he tell you no?

(52:54):
He told me no, but, um, okay,so he gets it, yeah, so, yeah.
So he were on the mats and I'mI'm rolling with Shane and Tommy
comes over and he's like Hey,go roll, cause he was him and
Levi were wrestling over towardsthe wall and Tommy was like

(53:16):
uh-uh, like, cause both of themare brand new, and Levi's giant,
like yeah, they're being superaggressive.
And so, you know, tommy's likeHey, go grapple with that guy.
And then I think Shane grappledLevi.
So I go over and I'm like, andhe said he didn't really have
any grappling experience and I'mlike cool man, i'm like I was

(53:37):
going to go, yeah, i was goingto be a responsible white belt
that you know more advancedwhite belt, yeah, yeah, and I
was like all right, so I'm goingto, i'm going to.
You know, bro, before I knew it, that motherfucker was on my
back cranking my chin and I waslike all right, motherfucker,
okay, like you're obviously havegrappled before cause, like a

(53:58):
brand new white belt would notknow how to get into this
position.
So I was just like all right,so I gutted it out and I spun
into him and I fucking scarf,choked the fuck out of him.
I made him leave the mat andpuke because I was like you just
crushed him.
Yeah, yeah, oh, absolutely Good.
And well, he wasn't in goodshape.
Yeah, so he was already.
He spent so much energy tryingto trying to crank my, my jaw.

(54:22):
Yeah, and I'm like bro.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
I got to say dude, you have some pretty good
reneged choke defense Like it's,it's.
It's pretty hard to choke backthere.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Yeah, i well, he, um, he just he was trying really
hard cranking, cranking, and Ion a neck crank, or was he
trying to choke right across myjaw?
He was just trying to do like apain maneuver, like cause he
didn't have the choke, hethought he had it, but he I
hadn't.
You know, i had my chin againstmy, my peck, and so he was just
cranking across that jaw, youknow, across the jaw there, and

(54:53):
so I mean it kind of hurt, but Ihad my.
I was like, whatever, i've hadworse, like I've had worse, and
so I knew he was gassed.
I could hear him just breathingso hard.
And I'm just so, going back towhat, uh, jaco and Hickson said
about remaining calm, i juststayed calm.
I was like I know this guy'snot submitting me, i'm in a

(55:14):
tight spot, i'm in a bad spotright now, but I know, i know
I'm going to get out of it.
So I call, you know, i justwaited, waited, waited And I
felt the minute, i felt hispressure.
I just spun right into him andthen passed his guard and
scarfed him And he almost gotJosh crazy arm bar because he

(55:35):
told Josh the same thing.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
See, i don't see you Like you're trying to go to a
potential new.
I don't know if maybe he justcross training for one day or if
he's wanting to come here, butyou come to a new gym.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
He wanted to fight Like he wants to fight MMA.
So you go okay.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
So this is his thought process.
You come to a new fucking gymwhere you have it's your
responsibility to make animpression and say, Hey, I am a
responsible training partner andI'm going to be a good addition
to this group, And your thoughtprocess is to fucking lie and
then try to almost fuckinginjure people.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
You see the way he kickboxed after too.
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
I saw him in Chase Like we werelike dude was throwing some
retarded head kicks Like man, ifthere's one person you don't
try that, it's like that's chasewill fucking kill you, man Like
and that wasn't long before hisfight either.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
It was a few weeks, I'm like are you fucking insane.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
And then he got launched into that machine.
Just, this guy got launched, hegot absolutely launched And I
think he then realized that thegym he had walked into for
everyone listening, the gym wetrain at it's called the LC
Lawrence County boxing Jiu-Jitsu, walnut Ridge, arkansas.
So if anyone's ever in thatarea, stop by, i'm trying this

(56:45):
man.
Absolutely, You will love it.
It's, it's, it is.
It is probably considered oldschool Jiu-Jitsu, but don't make
don't mistake that we do a lotof a lot of new stuff as well.
But we're just, we're veryoriented towards fighting and
mixed martial arts and wrestlingAnd those are all like super
important elements to have.

(57:06):
But yeah, I guess, I guessthat's why I like the LC so much
is we train hard, We train withintensity, We leave our egos at
the door.
I think, because when I firststarted, man and I think that's,
I think this is another reasonwhy a lot of people are hesitant

(57:28):
about starting Jiu-Jitsu is theegos right And you see it.
You see it a lot, And you see alot of the drama that goes on
in Jiu-Jitsu And I think a lotof people are intimidated by
that ego, which I get it, I getit.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
It's a hard thing thinking like, okay, so my buddy
, that my well-fought weightswith.
There's a lot of them that aredude, they're strong, like
there's some that have surpassedme in strength and they're
fucking, they are stronger thanme now by all means, cause I've
lost muscles since I've startedthis again And, man, i'm like
dude.
You guys can lift weights allfucking day, but I'm telling you
right now, if you don't knowhow to strategically apply said
strength, if you don't know howto strategically apply said

(58:06):
strength, dude you're not, it'snot going to fucking matter.
I'll roll with them.
And I've literally rolledaround with these guys who are
fucking, they're stop, they'restop, stop fucking guys.
And the next day it'll be like,oh my God, i am so fucking sore
.
That was awful, holy shit.
And of course, you know likethe tap does not take long, like
people, if you don't train,you're going to be just the most
spazzy motherfucker who'sliterally just going to flail

(58:27):
around on the ground like afucking idiot.
Like it's, it's, it's notpretty man.
And a lot of people like I justwant to do boxing, i just want
to do striking, like I don't, idon't want to go to the fucking
ground.
That's gay Dude.
If you want to fucking hit me,guess what I can do to you.
I can fucking grab you.
Yeah, i can shoot a takedown.
Yeah, over extend on thefucking jab, go ahead.
That's what that guy did tochase and that fucking MMA match

(58:48):
And look what fucking happenedto him man.
Absolutely Like shit, Likeabsolutely.
You guys.
I mean, look, I'm all down forfucking boxing, kickboxing,
striking, It's great.
But if you get up, if you getin a fight with someone who
knows any wrestling, yeah anyjudo?

Speaker 1 (59:03):
yeah, you're not hitting anything.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Well you might hit him.
You're great, you might hit him.
But, you might.
you might end up on yourfucking head too, You know, and
that's not pretty on concrete.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Well, here's the thing A grappler who's grappler
heavy, like It's not like theydon't know what their weaknesses
are, it's not like they haven'tgrappled with a boxer, yeah,
like people and I get a lot ofjujitsu schools, the water down
ones don't do that.
But are we?
we do that And like that'sagain.
I think that's that value oftraining, training hard and and

(59:34):
training jujitsu in the way itwas meant to be used, which was
for self defense.
And like all throughout Hicksand Gracie's book he constantly
hits on that.
He's like jujitsu is alwayssupposed to be about self
defense.
He's like it's not supposed tobe a sport necessarily.
He's like first and foremost,it's for a smaller person to be
able to control a larger person.

(59:55):
Like that's it.
That is the purpose of jujitsu.
And where I don't know where itkind of I'm like I love where
it's going now, like I love, ilove, like these wrestlers
coming into it because it'sevolving jujitsu into a really
cool, you know just a very, veryefficient martial art system.

(01:00:17):
And when you start throwing inthe strikes and the kicks and
elbows and you know learning howto strike on the ground, when
you start throwing all thesethings in man, like you're going
to become formidable.
You know like you're going tobecome a hard person to deal
with.
Let me ask you this Like what'swhat is your?

(01:00:39):
what's your training like foryour jujitsu?
How do you train?
Like what's your?
what would you call your styleof training Like?
do you do?
Are you talking about with?

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
weights, or are you?

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
talking about outside .
Yeah, just like just in the gym, like in the jujitsu gym.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Yeah, outside of jujitsu.
So let's say like, if I'm likecompetition prepping, let's say
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
So well that and and general training.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
So, weight training wise, most of the time the
formula that's worked best forme for just like putting on
muscle is a pretty low weight,i'm sorry.
High weight, low rep Okay, ilike to do that, maybe I used to
do that maybe three or foursets of five heavy weight, like
that's what.
That's what puts muscle on mepersonally, but then again I
have a lot easier time gainingweight than I do losing it.

(01:01:23):
Yeah, um, so if I'm not tryingto cut for competition, i'm just
going to try to coast.
I'm probably going to do heavy,heavy weight, low rest Most of
the time, yeah, and then again.
But you know, like that's nottraining your muscular
conditioning as much.
But, I do have three classes aweek for that Right Um yeah, and
jujitsu is good for that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Yes, it really is, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Um, so I I'm, i'm doing weights like that.
Um, if I'm competition prepping, I'm going to be running Quite
a bit.
I like to make sure that, likeI might have that lack to gas it
for my forums, because I'm justgripping somebody's gear, that
fucking Sure.
But I like to be able to knowlike my gas tank is going to be
better than most of the fuckersout there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
How many, um how many days a week do you lift weights
?

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Uh, with man, I am too much of a bitch to lift on
when I'm, when I'm doing 12 hourshifts at where I work, um,
with driving, showering and likeeating like I actually haven't
time to eat before work and shitand get food ready and meal
prep Dude, i don't have time tofucking lift before like for
work, man, it's like I go home,sleep, i mean shower and sleep
make sense, get up, you know,and get the food ready, go like

(01:02:24):
it's.
So I left about three days aweek, okay.
That's good, like it's like youknow, i try to just get it all
in there and I do threeJiu-Jitsu classes a week.
That's really good, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
So I mean, like that's when you do, you do, uh,
your Tuesday you do two, yeah,and then I hit legs.
You do G, and then yeah, yeah,and then you hit legs.
That's a big day, yeah, it's afucking shitty day I sleep like
a baby, i bet, but I mean that'spretty heavy day.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
And then like, if I'm really trying to obsess over
technique and I'm really tryingto maximize retention, i do have
a journal where I pretty muchtry to write down every single
fucking thing I like in my ownwords, i try to just like puke
that back up at the end of theday.
Yes, on Tuesdays that can bereally hard when you're covering
two different classes oftechnique.
You know you've got Tommycovers, but he covers and then

(01:03:08):
Seth goes over in like everyfucking detail about half guard
right now, right Impossible way,and that's a.
You know that's a.
It's hard to get everythingdown but I got to say that does
maximize the way I memorizetechnique.
And then like, just because ofmy previous experiences, i
always work fucking escapesbefore I go compete too, just
because that is like never doingthat again.

(01:03:29):
I don't want to get stuck in ashitty spot ever again.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
So I'm going to.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
I'm like you know how I did to you.
I made you like.
I made you escape from amountain.
I made you escape from my back.
Yep, i sat there, made you dowhat Five times on each, over
and over again.
Yeah, yeah, i want someone todo that to me.
Set that with me, and it helpeda shit, and I felt a lot more
comfortable.
But you know what, if I get abad spot, i'm going to get the
fuck out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
I don't care Right Immediately, like you're going
to get out so fast that they'renot even going to understand
what happened.
Yep, you know, um, yeah, that's.
It seems like that.
That's always the thing, causeI know there's a lot of people
in jujitsu that don't do anyextra like weight training, any
extra strength and conditioning,and that's fine.
Yeah, i mean it's great cardio,i mean shit, dude, look jujitsu

(01:04:13):
by itself, if you're in likethe right place, the right
school it is, it's got to be oneof the most effective strength
and conditioning systems outthere, because you're going to
build strength right And you'regetting, you're going to have
amazing conditioning becauseyou're fucking grappling and
rolling with men and women ofvarious ages, weights and
intensities.

(01:04:34):
You know functional strength.
It's not like yes, it's notactive resistance.
It's like when we're picking upweights in the gym, we're just
really having to fight gravity,that's it.
When we're in jujitsu, we'refighting another person who
doesn't want to be controlled,yeah, and so they're like
they're giving a massive amountof effort to not be, you know,

(01:04:57):
strangled or joint locked oranything, and then we're using
energy to try to get them inthat position and vice versa.
You know when, when I have toroll against someone like Shane,
who's three hundred and fortypounds.
I know I need to be on my Agame and you know I also know

(01:05:18):
that I will have to use aspectsof my strength for as good as it
does against him to minimizeyou know the things he can do
like, especially when it gets ontop.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
I'm like there's certain spots, like you know,
like you can't get there, you'renot, you're not going to get
out Like you have to.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Yeah, like for people don't do jujitsu.
Um, one of the like when you'rerolling with somebody who's
much, much bigger than you, thelast place you want to be is
underneath them.
It's the worst spot to possiblybe, especially if they're like
a super heavyweight and they'rethey're over that 300 pound
barrier, like a lot of them willjust like to smother you like
smother tap or they, they, theyknow they're big and they will

(01:05:57):
use it.
They'll pressure.
Oh God, um, that's how I hurtmy ribs.
You know, when I first started,dude, like I was getting
pressured from some of thebigger guys and it just Dude, i
and I was dumb, i was a whitebelt, like really thinking I
could fight out of it and Iwould.
I hurt myself doing it withoutusing like really technique or
anything like that And it.

(01:06:18):
But but about the training?
it seems like you've got likethe crowd who just relies on
their jujitsu, like MikeMusimachi, right, like a name,
right, a big name.
He doesn't, he doesn't do anyweight training, he just he does
jujitsu seven days a week, 12hours a day.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
He eats fucking pasta every day.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Once a day.
Yeah, he's once a day.
And then he he said he does, uh, he'll do some low intensity
runs, like if he needs extrarecovery he'll go for a little,
that's it And that works for him.
But then he got someone likeGordon Ryan, nikki Rod and those
guys who are lifting weights.
I mean, obviously you can tellyou can't use Gordon, you can't

(01:06:57):
use Gordon.
I don't think you can use GordonRyan for any example, cause
he's such a like, he's so outthere, dude, yeah, you can't,
you can't use him as a basis ofcomparison, like he's not, he's
the outlier, yeah, so sowhatever he does, he does.
Like me, i, before I startedjujitsu, i I didn't really think
about the how I should train.
I knew, as I was gearing up tobegin jujitsu, i knew that I I

(01:07:21):
needed better conditioningbecause I was, you know, for so
many years.
I was your typical meat head,uh lifting and not fucking with
cardio at all.
Just my, my cardio is like I'lldo 10 reps.
You don't have to be like I'lljust do 10 reps, but instead of
12,.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
that's good, bro, right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
But then I, i so I got.
I found this um Instagram pageand website called jail health
strong with their uh, joshBryant runs that and Tom
Haviland Have you?
have you seen him on Instagram?
I have not, dude, he's a bigsix foot eight Australian dude
who's just lifting massiveamounts of weight and he trains

(01:08:02):
like outside like I do, like,yeah, he uses gingers, he uses
dingy equipment like super coolguy.
Well, i found them and Istarted looking at their
training programs and found oneand kind of molded into
something I wanted.
And from that point on I Istarted doing this circuit style
strength conditioning where I'mjust combining, i'm not lifting

(01:08:24):
like super heavy, but I makesure the weight I'm lifting is.
So in my head when I'm settingup all this programs and
training this way, i'm like,okay, i want to mimic having to
physically handle somebody andthen add on the like.
So today, is that where yoursandbags came from.
Yeah, You motherfucker, what doyou know?
Well, yeah, that's why I gotthe sandbags.
Okay, so that's exactly why Igot them.
And it kind of paid off Likeyeah, like if I would have

(01:08:48):
adjusted my hips better on thattoss, i would have probably
legitimately hit that toss andhis fucking feet would have went
in the air because I had thestrength to do it.
Do you want to work on those?
We should.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Yes, we should fucking one day or Tuesday or
what Let's do.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Monday and Tuesday Fuck it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
We'll do.
We'll do a Gino G.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Dude, wait, no, we'll do.
We'll do no G, okay, cause Iwon't be there for G on Tuesday.
Cooper got a G, finally.
I know That's gonna be awesome.
Have any of the G, all right,everyone.
So check this out.
I mentioned it before.
So if you're an older person, ishould probably dive into this
a little bit.
I think a lot of older peopleavoid Jiu Jitsu because they see

(01:09:27):
these young savages, these,just these, and they watch and
roll and they're just doing allthis acrobatic, athletic stuff,
you know, and it's like I thinka lot of older people see that
and like, well, i can't do that,but what they failed to
understand it that there's likea ton of older people in Jiu
Jitsu and it's not always likethat.
So when I started Jiu Jitsu at40, you know, i was in good

(01:09:50):
shape, had conditioning and somemuscle and strength, and I'm
like, okay, i'm good.
And then we meet someone likeCooper who's 17.
He's fucking 17, weighs 200pounds, has the strength of a
grown ass man.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Beyond, beyond a grown ass fucking man, he's
still developing, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Soaks up to Jiu Jitsu like a sponge, pisses me off.
Yeah, so good.
That's why Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Like he's beyond.
He is literally just giftedwith Yes.
Like who else retains techniquelike that?

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
Well, fighter, like people that go on to be fucking
awesome Yeah.
I told him he should like getanother year and I bet you he he
does a respectful job and 80 CCopen, like yeah, he's that good
.
So it's funny because here I am, i'm an older guy, and here
comes Cooper and like I'mrolling with them and he starts

(01:10:42):
getting better and he startsbeating and he starts subbing me
and I'm like I had to put myego in check.
I'm like, yep, i was like fuckdude.
I'm like this is what a lot ofthese people are talking about.
When you're an older, older guyor gal doing Jiu Jitsu and he
rolled with these young, justspecimens and you're like fuck,

(01:11:03):
there's just, there's whathappened.
Yeah, like god damn it.
But there's also value to that,because when you defeat that
ego, like when, when you can putthat ego aside, you will learn.
So I was, you know whatever Iwas like god damn it, how's it
getting better?
I'm like you know what?
What is he doing?

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Training a shit.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Yes, And that's why I started going to Seth's too, so
I could get more rounds withlike you and him, and when I
knew I needed to work on myescapes, you know, i was like
Kiers Cooper, like and Seth, i'mlike that's who I need to work
with But, like I think a lot ofpeople older people avoid that

(01:11:47):
Jiu Jitsu because it well, it isdifficult, but I think that's
just a terrible reason to not doJiu Jitsu.
So I don't know if you werethere for this.
This was like last year, okay,a couple brought in their kid,
never came back, ever came back,but he wanted to do Jiu Jitsu,
really bad.
Okay.
So he does it and the class iswrapping up and he like had a

(01:12:13):
really good time and his parentsare there talking to April and
I'm like, hey, you guys shoulddo Jiu Jitsu.
And they're like, no, no, wecould never.
Like we could never do that Andlike, using all this really
kind of like condescendingterminology, like defeating
language, yeah, and like no.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
They're like what?
no, what they've beencondescending to you, or were
they?

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
They're like there's no chance, like it was just it's
too hard, like we, like wecould never do this.
And I remember thinking I'mlike you know your kids hearing
you talk like this, your kid ishearing you Like man, like how
do they know?
Like you don't know you can'tdo this, you haven't tried it.

(01:12:53):
Yep, like why are you defeatingyourself before you even put
yourself out there?
You know, this is a lot of whatI talk about on my social media
, where it just comes out oflike people are afraid to put
themselves out there, especiallyguys.
You know, guys, we've got anego problem Like that's look,
that's just the way it is.
So there's nothing more.
Emas demasculating.

(01:13:14):
Are you masculating?
Masculating?
I'm not sure what the correctarm oligoby.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
I think that's what they do.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
I think it's emasculating Yeah.
There's nothing like moreembarrassing than having another
dude literally just control youand do whatever they want, make
you feel like a fucking doll.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Fucking Right.
So, but but see, that's thewrong way to look at it And
unfortunately, a lot, of, a lotof guys can't get past that.
They see it as, like you know,they'll never admit it, but then
that's why they never come back, but they're embarrassed
Instead of thinking okay, youknow what, i'm going to get

(01:13:48):
better, i'm going to get fuckingbetter, i'm coming back for you
, right, i'm going to, i'm goingto come to every class.
Yeah, i'm going to learn andI'm going to get better and I'm
going to fucking submit you,right?
And and it's crazy, how manypeople don't think that way?
They just we train at a gym,the other half is a gym, and,
like all those people, arealways watching us, yeah.
They're always watching and youknow some of them want to do it,

(01:14:13):
but like they're, they'retraining, they got muscle,
they're big, and then they lookover and they see what we're
doing and they want none of itLike they want.
But here's okay.
Here's another interestingthing, and this is another thing
I didn't really understand, oruntil I did jujitsu, i kind of

(01:14:37):
knew this in the military justbecause I trained hard when I
was in the Marine Corps And eventhough I wasn't training the
most efficient way, i was justme, had power building, you know
, trying to be big, yeah, and itkind of carried over to my job.
But so most people that trainand work out like that's all

(01:14:58):
they'll do, right, so they justthey're going to the gym,
they're lifting weights, doingsome cardio, doing CrossFit, but
when I started jujitsu Irealized that most of those
people they will never know whatthat training is going to do.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Yeah, Like, like you may, you may curl that fucking
60 pound dumbbell, right, but ifI have your arm, Felix, in an
arm bar, right, that's not goingto do shit, or?

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
are you going to have the durability?
Are you?
are you, are you going to havethe mindset to not panic?
Yeah, If someone gets a hold ofyou, Okay great, You might
think you're big and you'restrong.
But is your cardio up the part?
Probably not.
Most people do not.
Oh, dude, especially withgrappling, the kind of
conditioning for grappling isthat much muscle requires so

(01:15:47):
much fucking oxygen, Likeliterally.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
if you try to go for a three or four minute round,
you are going to be fuckingdying.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
Casey brought in a new guy.
Yeah, do you remember that?
It was like a lanky guy Alittle bit.
I remember us talking about it.
So we rolled.
I rolled with him and reallygood kid, and he was like very
first class.
He's like man, i don't knowwhat to do.
I mean, just just come on, justgreat.
I was like just look, you wantto like control my wrists, like

(01:16:16):
you want to get a hold of me andstart, you know.
So he did a pretty good job.
I let him work.
Yeah, i was like he got him outand I was like, cool, all right
.
And then I broke out, spunaround, got on top and I started
scarfing him and this poor guyscarfed the new Okay, but I
wasn't even, i was only startingit and he tapped Dude, scarf is

(01:16:38):
fucking tight.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
I do it right Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
Well, I was just working into it and he tapped
and the poor guy went off andpuked Yeah.
You bastard Oh man, well, look,people need to know what
they're getting into.
Yeah, i wasn't being mean, ilet him, i let him work, yeah,
and but then I was like, okay,like, let me like, just so you
don't think this is just so youdon't think you have an

(01:17:00):
advantage, i'm going to fuckingsubmit you.
I have a question.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
So I mean obviously, Tommy just rolling with Tommy.
So usually I have like, i mean,dude, roman Tommy is fucking
awesome.
I always love it when I get to,but he is he ever like.
Not long before I went blue, heput me in his scarf For maybe
we were doing like 10 minuterounds.
It was a long.
It felt like a long fuckinground, of course, because I was
in his scarf.
But he put have you ever beenin his scarf?
Nobody's twisted me.
Oh shit, that's fuckingterrible.

(01:17:24):
So he put me in scar for whatfelt like three minutes.
And you keep mine.
I was almost a blue belt atthis point.
I've been doing it a couple ofyears and I hadn't I haven't
fucking pressure tapped.
I don't know how long he aboutfucking made me pressure.
I was like this guy is fuckingtesting me right now, Cause I

(01:17:45):
tell you what, dude, he vacuumedthe air from my lungs and I
fought and fought and fought toget my elbow to the mat.
He's got that way, Like thatway.
He showed us where you dig yourfeet And I know he was.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
I know he was Son of a bitch.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
I'm like he is literally just fucking testing
my mental resolve right now.
This is, but that's, That is.
It has to be.
The greatest benefit ofJiu-Jitsu is one of the greatest
benefits of being a person.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
I mean, i'm not a person.
That's not a person.
That's not a person that youare talking about.
So you don't have to worry whatthe current power of Jiu-Jitsu
is learning your comfortthreshold, learning that you are
capable of handling I don'tknow violence is the right word
but your you're, your mind andbody are capable of weathering

(01:18:28):
that kind of storm.
You know, i think, a lot ofpeople.
They get very comfortable intheir life and that's fine, Yeah
, But you know you can't, youcan't always life's gonna be And
see, this goes beyond Jiu Jitsu, Like.
This is why I like what Jacosaid in the beginning about you
know, I think I've already saidit but the greatest value of Jiu

(01:18:48):
Jitsu, I think, for anybodygetting into it, is learning to
not panic.
And it does carry over.
I think Jiu Jitsu is one of thefew things a person can do that
will carry over into almosteverything in their life.
So much confidence, Right,because I did a reels about this
And you know some people youknow agree, disagree or whatever

(01:19:12):
.
But you know there's thismessaging on social media that
talk, like I kind of mentionedearlier, about seeking comfort
And I think I agree with that.
But I think the message isgetting a bit culty and it's
getting a little skewed whereyou know people are doing ice
baths like she just comfortedand I jump in their ice bath And
it's like, yeah, and all theseother things.
But I'm like, but it makes methink about Jiu Jitsu.

(01:19:35):
I'm like Jiu Jitsu is the onething that you do that will
almost, if you stick with it,like in that first week, you
will feel a change.
That second week you will stilland, like it just keeps going,
Like it starts in your mind, youstart gaining confidence and

(01:19:57):
you start realizing that yourbody's capable of really, really
good, like really amazingthings, and you're capable of
defending yourself.
And then, like, for me, thechange started mentally And then
I started seeing those physicalchanges where I dropped some
body fat, got leaner, I startedgetting stronger in different

(01:20:18):
ways.
Weird areas, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
You don't ever use when you're lifting.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Right And that you can never use, because most
people, when they're training,they're training in a very
linear way, up and down, they'renot moving in multiple planes,
they're not rotation, they'renot doing anything like that,
they're just training like abodybuilder, which is fine but
No strength will do.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Strength will take you a long fucking way.
Strength is I'm not dude, we'renot even shitting on strength
Like, if you have strength,imagine applying that to what we
do, like it's so much fuckingbetter, man.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
Like in my competition, i'd say my strength
.
There's no way someone'sstronger than you, i don't
fucking care.
No, no, it was very helpful.
Yeah, because it just simply itallowed me to.
It just allowed me to not be inany kind of real danger.
You know, i could I don't knowmuscle out, because I didn't use

(01:21:12):
just muscle, i did use a lot oftechnique as well.
But when you combine that, whenyou combine strength and
technique, it's like goodfucking luck dealing with that
person, because there are somepeople who will only use
strength and they'll just try tobash their way And sometimes
it'll work and sometimes they'llget caught and submitted.
And but then when you've gotsomeone who, like that's where I

(01:21:35):
was going, that's where I wasgoing with earlier about you got
people who train jiu-jitsu andthey don't do anything else.
And then you got people whotrain jiu-jitsu that also do
some form of strengthconditioning And I feel like and
I don't think anyone willdisagree but when you get two
people, say you get two bluebelts promote at the same time,

(01:21:58):
you know they train jiu-jitsufour, five days a week, yep,
skill sets, kind of the same.
But one guy does strengthconditioning, like that guy's
probably gonna have.
He's gonna almost always havethat advantage over the other
person And anybody who adds thatelement of strength and
conditioning almost every timewill have that advantage over

(01:22:21):
just the person who does justjiu-jitsu.
And again, there's nothing wrongwith that.
But I, yeah, i'm definitely oneof those people who thinks that
if you do jiu-jitsu you shouldabsolutely have something
outside of it, even if it's justcalisthenics, even if it's just
body weight stuff like that'sfucking.
I think that's all Ray does,and Ray is strong, he is very

(01:22:43):
strong, like he is strong inweird positions And like he says
that's really all he does, justbody weight, like calisthenics.
It's crazy what you can do withfucking nothing man.
Yeah, i mean so you don't evenneed a lot to do it.
It's just I think if peoplereally want that complete
package, then they definitelyneed to add that element of

(01:23:07):
strength conditioning to theirjiu-jitsu.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
And you know?
just to add really quick to Iknow we have at least some
female listeners out there,obviously.
Oh yeah, if you're a female,for God's sake, if you've
listened this far through ourfucking rambling, I was gonna
say, if you're considering doingthis, this fucking sport was
designed, like you said earlier,to provide basically strength

(01:23:34):
where you might not have any.
Like leverage is what it's allabout.
Like you, if you are in ascenario where, like God forbid,
someone is overpowering you ina spot you don't wanna be in
there are so many different waysand submissions and stuff to
get yourself to a safer spot,It's always better to prevent
shit like that from happening,to be aware of your surroundings

(01:23:55):
.
But like, this shit is fuckingimportant, like this could mean
life and death, like I'm justsaying you really just looking
at your local school, Iguarantee you there'll be at
least one or two other females,hopefully, if you feel
comfortable just training withthem.
But like, seriously, take theshit into consideration because
it can be a fucking lifesaverfor anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
Well, not only that, but you gain a bunch of friends
like.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
you'll surely become immediately a part of a
community, A fucking coolcommunity guys, like some of the
nicest fucking people, likethey will try to pull your head
off one second, you guys will befucking hugging the next.
Like it's so special man.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
But that same person will happily give you all their
knowledge, like how did you dothat?
And they're gonna do it,they're gonna.
They're gonna, in fuckingdetail, they're gonna play out
of it In detail right.
And they're gonna absolutely doit.
That's again like going back tothat competition.
I already knew I've enjoyed thecommunity, but going and seeing
it at such a large scale andjust seeing, like All different

(01:24:54):
schools, well, we're all therefor the same reasons And so like
, okay, yeah, granted, we'recompetitors, but at the same
time we all know what eachother's feeling We like, we all
are, and it's like I didn't seeone person get butt hurt or
upset or anything.
It was just like you take whatyou, you take it and you give it

(01:25:16):
Like and that's just the way itis.
And that's like I mean, like Ilove that, like you gain so much
.
Like you see where I live Ilive pretty rurally, i don't.
There's no one else here.
So another reason why I wantedto Jiu Jitsu and wanted to join
was cause I was like, dude, ineed to plug into a community
And I want to plug into acommunity of like-minded people

(01:25:37):
Who I don't not to sounddemeaning, but it's like I
didn't want to be around softass people Like I'm a fucking
Marine man, like I've beenaround some of the hardest
motherfuckers that there are Andit's hard to find that when you
get out, it's hard to findpeople that understand that

(01:25:58):
mindset.
You know, and people who servethe military will 100% know what
I'm talking about.
And Jiu Jitsu I found it, youknow.
That's why, like I met you, i'mlike, oh my God, kiers reminds
me of a fucking Navy corpsman.
Like dark sense of humor, talkshit.
I'm like this is exactly what Iwas looking for in Jiu Jitsu
And I found it.
Now there's one more passage inhere I wanted to read because I

(01:26:23):
think this is the other thingabout Jiu Jitsu Like it will
tell you who you are And youwill know what a person is about
the first time.
You fucking roll with them.
And this is what Hickson saidabout it.
He said I loved teaching JiuJitsu because it revealed a

(01:26:45):
person's true personality.
When I stepped onto the mat, isaw people dressed in white and
they all had belts around theirwaists.
Once they engaged, it wasimpossible to hide their nerves
and their fear.
Sometimes a small, soft lookingguy was the true warrior
because he was resilient andbrave in both victory and defeat
.
The coward was fine when he waskicking ass, but as soon as he

(01:27:07):
got in a bad position, he wouldbe the first to exclaim stop,
i'm hurt.
Stop, i'm tired.
Stop, i'm old.
It was easy to read the mind ofa coward, even if they are
naturally aggressive.
Jiu Jitsu is the equalizer ofpeople who either fucking put up
or shut up People who do JiuJitsu on the regular.

(01:27:29):
They put up Like they'reputting their ass out there.
They're not running fromanything, they're fighting,
they're giving it their all.
And then there's like thepeople that come to class and
like you never see them again,holy shit, man.
Because they learn somethingabout themselves.
They learn that they don't likethat, like they learn that

(01:27:52):
they're just maybe not built forthat.
And again, i don't want toscare anybody away from Jiu
Jitsu Or bash on people who'sanother?
point, Yeah, or bash on that who?
just?
it's not my thing.
But again, you can't guaranteethat you're going to go through
this life just not being in adanger, not ever having a
physical confrontation.

(01:28:13):
And look man, it seems like oursociety is getting a little bit
angrier, a little bit morehostile.
I mean, you never know anymorewhen someone's gonna have to fan
Yeah like you don't know that.
And it's funny because now, like, i think about me that two

(01:28:34):
years ago or whatever, when,when that shit was going out of
my parents, and I think ofmyself now And I'm it's, it's
funny I would have handled it.
I wouldn't have engaged in anykind of fight, yeah, but in the
back of my mind I would havebeen, i would have been totally
OK.
I'm like, because you know,here I am a year and like Two,

(01:28:56):
one or two months into Jiu Jitsu, four days a week, and like my
confidence level.
I don't even think I had thiskind of confidence in the Marine
Corps because I wasn't trainingJiu Jitsu in the Marine Corps.
I fucking wish I did.
Yeah, stupid of me because wehad a corpsman who was a brown
belt and he was a competitor andhe was a whole shit Dude.

(01:29:17):
So good, doc Brown, we, me andmy buddy Rashid.
We talk about him to this daybecause my buddy Rashid went and
grappled with him.
He's like, dude, he was so goodAnd he was like he would have
probably been a super heavy.
He was like two thirty to forty.
That is fucking scary dude.
Yeah, like he had madcauliflower here, like, and I
wish I would have takenadvantage of.

(01:29:37):
like dude, we got this brownbelt Jiu Jitsu Corman who fought
, i think he wrestled, for theMarine Corps wrestling team,
like total stud.
But I mean, whatever man, i gotinto it and it's, it's helped
with so many things.
It mental health man.
Yeah, like You got, like you goto Jiu Jitsu man and maybe I

(01:29:59):
don't know, maybe you're havinga bad day, you're depressed, but
then you start rolling and youcan't think about that.
Fuck, no, because if you thinkabout that you're getting choked
, yep, and that's not fun.
And so suddenly, like you'reinto your first role and all
your problems just go away.
Yeah, this what, what more cangrab your focus than someone

(01:30:22):
threatening to break one of yourlimbs right Choke you, and
right And look, you can even goto your class and be like look,
i had a shitty day, who I wantto roll hard with, like, and you
tell that person, like, look,let's fucking, let's, let's be
intense, yeah, and they'll, andthey'll do it Like that's the
cool thing, yeah, like you bothunderstand, like you know,

(01:30:42):
because they now understand,like, ok, you need to work,
let's, let's do it like, let'sfucking go, and I think that's
the again, that's the cool thingabout you do So.
I think Humans are aggressiveAnd I don't know why we forget
that Men, especially, areaggressive.
I think we try.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
for some reason we try to wipe that away Like we
try to neutralize that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
Well, we're, and we're still trying.
I mean, it seems like there Ishouldn't even say that, it just
seems like our society.
There's this weird push tofeminize everything.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
Yeah, it feels like it, doesn't it?
I mean, masculinity is almostbecoming like what it's, like
It's not trending anymore.
Yeah, isn't that weird.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
So fucking crazy.
Yeah, and it's like you need it.
I don't give a fuck how anyonefeels about it, you need it OK
For families.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
It's good for, it's good for fucking any Like well?

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
Well, they always want to highlight the bad
aspects, right, Like, like, like, you know, like, women don't
have those same bad aspectswhich they do, and you know
what's ironic is women, the, the, the, the hormone that
dominates them is testosteronetoo.
It's like women have it out.
I think they have moretestosterone than estrogen, even

(01:31:58):
if I'm not mistaken, do theyNot sure?

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
That's right.
Well, i mean, obviously itconverts, you know, whenever
need be, but I'm not sureexactly what.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
It's just funny because test is a very important
hormone for for women.
You fucking need it.
But I think you jitsu isespecially good for guys, like I
think, as our society just getsweird and and and almost
demeans masculinity, andespecially like I don't know how
we view it traditionally, whereyou know a guy is seeing as

(01:32:29):
like the, like the gatherer orsomething like that you know,
which is nothing wrong with, butYeah, there's this weird
message around masculinity.
I think Jiu Jitsu definitely isreally good.
It's good for women too,obviously.
But I'm just saying, when wethink about our genetic makeup,
guys especially really benefitfrom Jiu Jitsu Having some sort

(01:32:52):
of output, especially as you'regrowing up.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
And like you're, i mean dude, if I have a fucking
boy at any point, like I wanthim to be in this shit early,
like I mean, dude, you know howmuch like that helped.
I mean, okay, you know wehaven't really even touched on
this, but like we talk aboutpeople getting into altercations
and shit, like, honestly,training reduces the chances of
that shit happening.
Yeah, like, if you know for afact that you can handle most

(01:33:14):
situations to get thrown at youwith someone in hand to hand
combat, like you're kind of lesslikely to do it, like the most
time that idiots at barsstarting fights don't know a
fucking thing.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
They know to throw fucking crazy haymakers or
soccer punches.
Yes, yes, you know what I'msaying.

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
That's like it's not people who train No.

Speaker 1 (01:33:29):
It's almost rarely ever anyone who trains, and when
it is, it's so obvious Becausethat person who doesn't train
gets put down real fast, realfucking.
People don't understand theirbody and their and how are how
the system of our body workslike that adrenaline dump.
If, going back to Hicksonsaying, you know, make the
training environment making itreally tough, you know it's that

(01:33:51):
same saying that they have inthe military where you, you
bleed more in peace.
Or you, you sweat more in peace, so you bleed less in war, it's
that same mindset, right.
So it's like you train your assoff and you put yourself in And
like that's the other fun thingabout your jutsus You can
purposely put yourself in theworst positions just so you can
get better at getting out of it.

(01:34:12):
And the more you do that, themore confidence you gain, the
less panicky you're going to bein any kind of situation,
because any stranger who's goingto try to strangle you, you're
just going to laugh.
You're like dude.
Do you have any idea?
the kind of people who've triedstrangling me Like you better,
fucking try harder.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
Yes, the goofy movie jokes where they just like hold
their throat.
It's like, oh, i might get thefuck out of here.
Yeah, like the double handchoke.

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
It's like, okay, go ahead and do it, bro, yeah.
See how that fucking works foryou.
Please, please, do it.
See how that works, bro.
Like, come on, you know.
Next thing, you know they'reJared.
Bro Got a little got put tosleep on Monday.
What happened?
You were didn't see it.
Ray got him.
Oh man, it was one of thesituations, though, where, like
you know, you're like, where,like he, he didn't think that,

(01:35:02):
he thought he was fine, yeah,and then we all look and and
Port Jared's like out Oh man, Oh, he's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
He woke right back up and got right back to it And he
was like oh, fuck, i thought itwas good.
It's a weird.
It's a.

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
It's a weird feeling putting somebody to sleep It is
because and well, here's thething Sometimes a choke doesn't
feel dangerous And suddenly likeoh, wow, yeah, suddenly you're
waking up And my vision is black.
What the fuck And see?
here's the other thing is like,um, getting choked unconscious
is not the same as being knockedout.
Oh yeah, if there's, you're notcausing brain damage, it's,

(01:35:38):
it's not anywhere near.
It's like getting punched inthe fucking head because your,
your brain's bouncing around.
You know, if you get put tosleep with a choke, it's like
You wake back up likeimmediately pretty much Yeah.
I mean, and you can get rightback to it, you're not going to
have any.
Because he literally got uplike, shook it off and like Back
to rolling.

(01:35:59):
I went back to rolling.
Fuck yeah, dude, jared's atough mother.
Fuck Jesus Christ.
He's strong, yeah, and he's gotgood skills, man, like I think,
other than the black belts.
I think he's like the oldest.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
Yeah And dude, you're still fucking going at it.
He's 52, man Still just fuckingcrushing people.
Man, It's bad.

Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
That's why I hate people here and people say like,
oh, i'm too old, but it's likethere.
Do you know?
the Jiu-Jitsu grandma is onInstagram.
I think I've heard of her, buttell me.
She's like she's in her 70s andshe just got her purple belt.
She's like 73.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
Can you imagine someone trying to rob a grandma
and her just fucking throwing it, just wrist locking you, oh my
God, reaching for a purse,breaking your wrist, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
Like what happened?
Like I was robbing This wholelady broke my wrist.
Man Like fuck.
Fucking hilarious Yeah she's inher 70s and then, like, there's
so many stories of guys andwomen in their 80s and they're
getting belted up and fuckingsweet, there's just so many
reasons to do Jiu-Jitsu.

(01:37:02):
I can't Again.
Whatever you don't want to doit, you know it's certainly not
going to be looked down upon,but I just find people's reasons
for not doing it to beincredibly weak.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
No, dude, I see red man.
I don't need you, I don't needto buy.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
I fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
I see.
I see red and people's bodiesdrop for those motherfuckers out
there who see red I have.
I have a quick message for you.
So I was training this.
This guy come between that Iwent to school with and he was
like hey, man, i'm not reallyinterested in the whole ground
game, but I'd like to work on,you know, maybe, some boxing or
kickboxing with you.
And this was like a couple ofnights ago And I was like you
know what man like, i have somelike fundamentals down in

(01:37:40):
kickboxing, like I'm obviouslythere are so many better dudes
to learn from.
But if you want to like justlearn how to throw some basic
combos and work on some shitlike dude, fuck yeah, i'll help
you with work.
I'm happy, dude, if anyone, if,if anyone listening to this
knows me and you want to work onsomething, please fucking just
contact me.
Like I don't give a fuck, iwork with anybody.
But he, he's like, hey, now Iwant to do this.
I'm like OK, like let me finishdoing these reps and we'll go

(01:38:02):
in the back.
We'll work on some boxing, youknow.
So I just taught him somebasics.
You know arm and elbowpositioning when you're nice and
your thing, you know, and westart.
I was like, ok, so here's howyou throw a jab, you know, you
know how to do a jab and a crossAnd you know, ok, so let's work
some combos.
You know, work on headpositioning, you know, show them
like a slip and a roll, justbasics, you know.
Just get running through someshit And anyway, i'm like OK, so

(01:38:24):
now I want you to do a jab,cross and throw a hook on at the
end.
I'm like listen to your hips.
You know, obviously if youthrow a left right, the next one
should be a left.
So it's a left hook, right, hegoes to throw this hook and he
just completely misses the bag.
Oh, and I'm like this is agreat point.
I'm like, so I was like I wantyou to take that.
Like obviously you don't knowyour distance on boxing And this
is something that people don'treally think about, because if

(01:38:46):
you don't train it this is theproblem with the seeing red
thing Like you don't even knowwhere your fucking arms reach.
You don't know where yourpunches reach.
You expect to go in there andthrow a fucking three piece on
somebody, knock them out.
But if you don't even knowwhere you're going to hit on
somebody, how do you expect todo that?
You have to fucking trainpeople.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
Well, step it back even more, trying to hit a
moving target, fucking shit Yeah.
Okay, yeah, great, you can hitpads and mitts and heavy bags
and all you fucking want, butthe minute a live person is
front of you, that shit goes outthe window.
Yeah, plus, they got goodfucking head movements Right And
they're punching you in theface And all of a sudden you're
like and you just want to runaway Because you've no fucking

(01:39:24):
clue.
Like you see, like what's hisname?
Damn it, he's fighting thisweekend.

Speaker 2 (01:39:32):
How am I going to?

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
free his name.
He's funny as shit.
Loudmouth fucking UFC fighterSean Strickland.
Oh, he's fucking funny.
Yeah, he.
Some guy walked into his gymand like challenge him to
sparring.
He's fucked him up.
Holy shit, Fucked him up.
I mean it seemed like he was agood fun But like, yeah, but
there's people that do that.
They'll go challenge people andthey get their ass kicked.

(01:39:53):
Can you imagine having the gallto do that?

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
I wish someone would do it at ours.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
Oh, dude, no one's ever come in.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
I've told Tommy I'm like dude like I wish I could
Just watch you go whole hog onsomebody so fucking bad.

Speaker 1 (01:40:05):
Like yeah, And that used to be a thing because in
Hickson's book he talks aboutthey used to do that.
They'd crashed Ojos and justfuck up people.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
Oh yeah they.
It was like a war.

Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
They're like wars.
They just go to all these othergyms and fucking just beat them
Like savage, i know, but theywere also trying to prove their
system, you know sell theirsystem and what.
What better way than not to doit, than to just walk in a
random martial arts studio?
They're like, hey, give me yourbest guy, i'm going to beat him

(01:40:36):
.
I'm like, ok, yeah, and hefucks him.
They're like, wait, what'd youdo?
Show us, like what, i want toknow this.
Yeah, like, how did you do that?
Huh, let's see Anything else weneed to cover.
On Jiu Jitsu, i mean there's somuch to cover.
Yeah, It's just man.

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
I mean We definitely touched on, like, the importance
of competition, the pressure tothe value of training, yes, the
value of strength training.
I feel like we touched on mostof what we wanted to touch on.

Speaker 1 (01:41:04):
I think.
So.
You know, we touched on the and, and we can even do a whole
separate episode at some pointon just like strength
conditioning and stuff like thatfor Jiu Jitsu.
I just kind of wanted to talkabout it.
Yeah Man, your first fuckingcompetition.
Yeah man, it was so cool, ilearned so much and I You know

(01:41:26):
what else.
You know, the thing aboutcompetition is it gives you
something to train for.
And so suddenly now my trainingis taken on like a That's so
much more meaning.
Yeah, yeah, because now I can,yeah, like I have goals now,
where before I was just trainingjust going in rolling.

(01:41:49):
All we learned today, okay,Right.
Right, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
and then like there was, with no real end goal other
than just going and just Youget in kind of like a, you kind
of get like a cycle, like that,you know like you get into a law
and you feel like you're notimproving.

Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
Yeah, like, and I was , i was kind of dealing with
that And then, but after thiscompetition, i'm like because
that first role on Monday feltgreat.
Oh dude, i had the same thinghappen to me in my last
competition.
Like I felt like I leveled up,yes, which is crazy.
Yeah, because, like Cooper,that's what he was saying.
He's like, dude, look, you know, we train in here, we train

(01:42:23):
intensely, but he's like it'snot anything like what's going
to be in a competition, becauseit's going to be like this times
a hundred.
You can't fucking simulate it,man.
And so now and so you know, icompete Sunday and then go to go
to train on Monday And all of asudden, i'm like it's like
everyone's moving slower.
It's crazy.
Like I'm like, am I in thematrix, you know, because I was
just the day before?

(01:42:44):
I'm like just fucking movingand moving and moving and like
going train.
I'm like, whoa, i'm, i stillhave that.
And it's funny because I'veheard this, i think on Rogan's
podcast too.
They're talking, or someone,maybe it's Daniel Cormier, he
said it, but he said, basically,when a person becomes a
champion, they automaticallylevel up, like their skill set
improves by like 30%, holy fuck.

(01:43:05):
And so I think, like I thinkthat's the, I think that's a
value of competition.
I think when, when a lose, youLike you'll take that feeling
back to your gym and you'regoing to like, without really
realizing you're going to trainthat way.
Oh, fuck man, like with moreintensity, with more like um,

(01:43:27):
what's like more intention, youknow, and like trying to get
somewhere quicker.
Maybe move a little bit quicker, because you understand, if you
pause too long you can, you canget put in a bad position.
Yeah, so you have to keepmoving and like so, yeah, that
was, that was really funnyMonday, going into train and be
and just feeling like I wasmoving way faster And I was like

(01:43:50):
, and I hated missing Tuesday.
I knew I needed the day off,though but, i, hate, but that's
okay, because I worked on hiptosses on my dummy or worked on
So like I was watching my videoand I was kind of breaking down
how I did my Kamora or theAmericana and I just was working

(01:44:11):
on improving that on mygrappling dummy.
So I was still doing stuff.
And then every night, typically, i'll eat my edibles and then
in that living room I'll I'lllike, just I'll do flow
movements, just like wrestlinggetups and stuff like that,
where I'll just 20, 30 minutesin my living room and I'll even
grapple with my dog Like he'll,seriously I'll, i'll work like

(01:44:33):
in my garden and like he, likeMarley, my poodle, he loves to
fight, he fucking loveswrestling, yeah, so it's fun.
Man, i'm not mean.
There's a guy on Instagram whoactually uses his dog.
They just belted him.
The belted the dog, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
It's fucking hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:44:49):
I think he's a big old pity of nicest dog just, and
he like literally doesinstructional videos of him
doing like you know, moves,putting like on his dog.
It's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
Watch out for this fucking paw lock.
Dude hold on.

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
Like that dog's gonna fuck someone up.
That dog's gonna like fuckingdo, like a oh my plot on
somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
He like why does that ?

Speaker 1 (01:45:09):
dog do that.
That's bullshit.
This dog's better than me.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
Holy shit, man Fucking the airbot of Jiu-Jitsu.

Speaker 1 (01:45:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
So yeah, that was like the bigthing with competition.
I think one you should trainJiu-Jitsu, and if you train
Jiu-Jitsu, you should considerconsider competing once, just
once, just to get a feeling forit, and you're going to learn a

(01:45:37):
lot and you're going to knowwhere your weaknesses are And
you're going to know what yourstrong points are, so you can
work on both.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
I mean, i've never trained harder than after I went
to my second and I got fuckingcrushed.
I tell you what after that, iwas so fucking pissed at myself
I pushed myself harder than Iever have Like well, for this
second one, I think, say I gotto be careful because I don't
want to over train.

Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
You know, i'm all excited about starting this And
it's like, yeah, so I'll have tokeep that in check.
But but yeah, it makes, itmakes my Jiu-Jitsu.
It's like now I can go intoclass with intention, where it's
not just like, oh, we'll learnthe technique of the day And you
know, it's like now I can dothe technique.
But then when I start rollingwith somebody like, hey, i want

(01:46:22):
to work on this, can like, andthey'll obviously always do So I
can start specifically workingon those things that I like.
Cycontrol, i need it, i need to.
I gave up too much space inCycontrol So I was put in guard
and that was on me, my mountsreally good.
So then I can, i can figure outways to tighten that up.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
You know more submissions from out Maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
Yeah, absolutely.
And then tightening up my scarfor tightening up like we're
going to work on some of thosehip tosses, like, and especially
doing it in a no-key.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
And hip toss is the only thing that's risky is man
you are.
you are providing back exposure.
man, That's the thing.
when you turn, when you turn,You gotta be quick, Very fucking
quick.
These judo guys are fuckinglightning fast.

Speaker 1 (01:47:04):
I know, i know.
Well, yeah, but that's why wework on it.
Yeah, you know, because if itpresents itself you might as
well go for it.
I mean, yeah, you do riskyourself to back exposure, but I
don't know, i think sometimesthe work, the risk is, is worth
it.
You know, i think my dog isgoing crazy in the background,

(01:47:27):
like you guys are recordingforever.
Okay, so, jiu Jitsu we'll diveinto strength and conditioning
specifically for Jiu Jitsu atanother time.
I just kind of want yeah, iwant to go over it Share some
thoughts from Hickson's book.
It's a great fucking book, bythe way, as you guys haven't
read it, yeah, it's really goodIf you just want to read the

(01:47:47):
mindset of somebody who's foughttheir whole life.
Not to mention he's a superinteresting guy too.
Yeah, he's breathing techniques.
Oh, i ordered.
You know who Boss Rootin isright.
Yeah, i ordered his O2breathing system.
What the fuck?
It's a diaphragm breathing.
Yes, my conditioning is aboutto go fucking through the roof,
dude.
So it strengthens yourdiaphragm.

(01:48:08):
So, like, that's how he'strained.
It's awesome.
It's like this mouthpiece thingand you can adjust Like you
like.
There's specific exercises youdo.
And, yeah, i just ordered it,so I'm going to be, i'm going to
be, i'm going to be doingbreath work, so I'm going to be
actually working on breath work.

Speaker 2 (01:48:29):
Holy shit, yeah, start making weird fucking like
yonking noises while we'rerolling on my B alarm.

Speaker 1 (01:48:34):
That's all right, i'm going to be, because I won't be
tired.
I'll just be in the zone, baby,like I'll have an unlimited gas
tank.
So I'm going to, yeah, i'mgoing to start.
That's another component that,like made me realize I can
improve my conditioning.
Yeah, you know.
So I'm going to, i'm going tothrow that in there.
I think I'm going to do a bitof running and I'm going to cut
weight for this one too.

(01:48:54):
What are you cutting to?
Yeah, probably 175.
Okay, 175, 176, which I'm there, like today after my training I
was.
I went outside at 178, came inat 173.
You sweat, your fucking ballsoff.
I sweat so much.
I still haven't.
I still feel like, cause I gota little dizzy out there.
You know like dehydrated man Iwas, even though I had.

(01:49:18):
I had a protein shake Like I do, like a little like a water
down Gatorade shake thing, andthen I had my big, like 32 ounce
jug in my, so I had 52 ouncesof water And I drank it all and
I still didn't feel like I washydrated, like I was, cause I
came in and started cramping andI was like, oh, this is fucking

(01:49:40):
me, You did liquid IV, man, idid.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
That's what was in my other one.

Speaker 1 (01:49:44):
Holy shit, it was liquid IV.
I sweated out in 10 minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:49:49):
It's a fucking half of a gram of sodium dude Like
that's a shit ton Gone.
Just the fuck are you doing outthere, man Well?

Speaker 1 (01:49:57):
so high rep, trap, bar, deadlift.
So this is how I broke down.
This is my new, my new cycle.
So, circuit one I do two rounds, but there's five movements in
that round.
So trap, bar, deadlift, burpees, ring pushups and um, um, uh,

(01:50:17):
what else?
ring pushups, um, one armlateral raises and then, oh,
mace, 360s.
So I do that two times, um, allhigh reps.
Then the second circuit issandbag suplexes Those got me
And then sandbag floor pressesfrom the floor and then like a

(01:50:41):
sled row, and then so that'sthree movements, three rounds,
and then the last round.
The third round was twocircuits, or two rounds, and
then that's another one of thefive movements.
So that's what.
But it wasn't all like heavy,yeah, i mean, except for this
cause.
Like weight wise, i'm going toprobably go mid, mid weight,

(01:51:02):
high, high rep, except for mysandbag training.
I'll keep that the same.
We're out like cause, likethere's a lot of value in, in,
in, tossing around this bigheavy sandbags.
Fuck yeah, man, especially whatyou did to like dead weight,
yes, so all of you out there.
I mean, i mentioned this in thepost, but you've seen how I
train.
It carries over a hundredpercent, um, all right, curious.

(01:51:25):
Anything else you want to addin to the?

Speaker 2 (01:51:27):
uh, no, dude, I think we've probably did like a lord
of the rings worth.
So we did movie length.

Speaker 1 (01:51:35):
Well, we didn't go over the history, but again,
there's so much to talk about.
Yeah, jiu-jitsu, we just wantedto share some of our
experiences.
What to expect, the competitionexperience, maybe some of the
training that can go along withit, and the fact that you should
100% add at least one or twodays of strength conditioning on

(01:51:58):
top.
Here, jiu-jitsu, i think we'll,we'll, we'll, elevate your game
.

Speaker 2 (01:52:01):
So you know what people if you're, if you're
tossing it around the idea ofmaybe attending a class, dude,
you get one fucking life.
Just try it.
Go to go to do me a favor.
Go to like two or three classes.
Of course the first one's goingto be weird, but, like guys,
you only get one life And youknow, you never know when, like
Matt talked about before, whenthe shit might hit the fan.
And you know what, if somebodyhas a knife for a gun, fucking

(01:52:24):
run.
Obviously, obviously don'tfucking engage somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:52:27):
You're not going to be Chuck Norris.

Speaker 2 (01:52:28):
Yeah, I mean, if someone fucking grabs a hold of
you and you can't run anywhere,man, you need to know how to
deal with that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:32):
So don't be don't be any, don't be a victim.
It's that, that's fuck thatvictim mentality.
Yeah, that's what I think.
When you start jujitsu, you areempowering yourself And I can't
think of, i can't think ofsomething that you can do for
yourself.
That's better than that.
Yep, you know self empowerment.
So check out jujitsu, check outyour local gym.

(01:52:55):
I promise you, wherever youlive, there's probably a jujitsu
gym in your area.
Or you can just drive a fuckinghour like that Real real quick
for those who don't know like wetalk about Guy and Nogi.
So Nogi jujitsu is typicallythe aware and the rash guard,
the shorts, and it's a lot morewrestling Pression shirts for
those who are Yeah, yeah, andthen the G is, you know, the

(01:53:18):
pajamas, the kimono, the.
It's the traditional garb ofjujitsu And it's kind of it's
not as popular right now.
It's kind of it's kind oflosing ground to Nogi.

Speaker 2 (01:53:29):
Yeah, I mean, keep in mind people.
If you live in any sort of areawhere the climate gets cold,
learning how to fuck people upwith their jackets and their
collars and everything else canbe extremely valuable.
So clickable Yep.
So keep that in mind, guys.
Yeah, You good man.

Speaker 1 (01:53:46):
I think so.
So, yeah, i think we're goingto wrap this podcast up.
Check out Norse Fitness for allyour supplements and lifting
stuff, and they actually have arash guard for jujitsu.
You use code heathemachine tosave some money.
We're going to probably wrapthis up.

(01:54:07):
if you're on the fence aboutdoing jujitsu, just fucking do
it.
Just do it already.
Just do it.
Yes, all right everyone.
you all have a good night.
That's keep it.
keep up to date with us.
Follow me on Instagram at theheathemachine.
Kierstue is on Instagram aswell.
I think it's the do 42.

Speaker 2 (01:54:27):
The do Kierstue 42.
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:29):
Yeah, yeah, it's fun And the more look, the more
traction we get, the moreepisodes we're willing to do.
We're eventually going to verysoon.
I have a feeling we're going tohave some guests on here
Fucking exciting, yeah And thenwe'll eventually get a video
format.
So thank you all for listening,thank you all for the support.
We're going to keep this goingAnd we'll see you all next time.

(01:54:51):
Thank you, guys, yeah.

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