Episode 32- A Discussion on Health and Fitness Topics

Today's conversation goes beyond the usual health chat, probing into contemporary issues like the impact of the body positivity movement and convenience culture on our collective well-being. We're also lifting the lid on some disturbing trends, like the rise of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, and the labeling of health-conscious individuals as extremists. And that's not all, we explore unconventional training methods, offer insights on training for athletic performance, and discuss the significance of circuit training for conditioning and longevity. Come join the circle. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, welcome to another episode of the podcast.
Today we kind of shoot from thehip talking about health and
fitness.
We touch on some training andsome disturbing trends we are
seeing.
So join us and enjoy the show.
He the machine out, let's golive.

(00:40):
We're live.
We're live now.
So no more shit talking.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
No more.
Ok, well, we'll cut it out, man.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
All right, what's going on everyone?
So today we are going to diveinto strength conditioning and
live in that healthy lifestyle.
Maybe a little nutrition, maybe.
Yeah, definitely nutrition,because so I get people asking
me on my Instagram.

(01:08):
They're always asking me, likewhat I'm doing.
Most people see the way I train, but I don't really dive into
the nuts and bolts of trainingand then we can each kind of go
into what we do.
But we were talking aboutsomething before we started and

(01:31):
I think this is a good jumpingoff point, and that's
supplements.
Oh shit, there you go.
So here's the thing.
So I've been training now for,let's say, 23 years and almost
as long as I've been alive.
Yeah, what do you fucking callme, old man?

Speaker 2 (01:51):
The shoot's Lacehead Bitch up and when at.
That's all right bro.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
I'll take it.
I'll take it Because with agecomes wisdom.
And remember I'm a silver fox.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Silver fox.
There's some gray in there,guys, just in case you hadn't
seen it.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Actually, my beard's going to be white and my hair is
going to be silver.
It's going to be fuckinggangster dude, it's going to be
gangster Tapping motherfuckers.
I'm going to be like GordonRyan, bro.
But I don't have to die Minds.
The bleach, yeah, It'll just benatural.
So I'd say supplements.

(02:26):
When it comes to the health andfitness industries, it seems
like supplements almost alwayslead the charge, right, oh Jesus
.
And when I was younger man, Iwas like trying everything.
Oh yeah, I worked at GNC in myearly 20s because I wanted that
discount and I was like itallowed me to stay up to date on
all these supplements.
So this was back in the late90s, early 2000s, when androgens

(02:49):
were over the counter.
Holy fuck, yeah, dude, Becausethere was a controversy with
Mark McGuire and Barry Bonds.
That's when people thoughtcreatine were steroids.
Seriously, this is 1996.
And people thought creatine wasa steroid Because Mark McGuire

(03:11):
is using creatine.
I mean, granted, he was usingother stuff too, but they zeroed
in on creatine.
And for years creatine was seenas this absolute cheat code.
You can't be in high school andtake creatine.
And it's the same thing withthe reefer madness, Like just
all the misinformation about itwas mind boggling, but anyway,

(03:33):
the point I want to hit on withsupplements is people are always
asking me what I do for mysupplements and my supplement
use is really minimal.
I learned I would say I learnedat a fairly young age that most
supplements are fucking garbage.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Oh, dude, it's like 90% horse shit, maybe 10% stuff
that actually helps, and eventhat that does, it's not that
helpful, like nothing's going todo the work for you.
That's the fucking long andshort of it.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
And people sell the joint supplements you got and
I'm sure there's some efficacythere.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
But I take it Good cost of meaning shit that
actually does help especiallywith even older people.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, definitely, but , like well, for me it was
definitely the TRT that helpedwith my joint pain the most,
because I've taken jointsupplements and sometimes I get
some good results.
But with supplements I thinkpeople end up relying on them
too much.
They rely on supplements.
They get away from, I guess,with the basics of having a good

(04:39):
diet right, having gettingenough protein, getting enough
carbs, getting enough fat, likeI think people will put all
their faith in a sub.
I'm sorry, dude, I was fuckingsmashed in my head.
Wait, dude, put too much faithin supplements?

Speaker 2 (05:06):
right, yeah, yeah.
They're just like if I don'thave my BCAAs, I'm not going to
make any gains today.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, bcaas are not bad, Not a good recovery, but
it's yeah.
But nothing beats having andthis sounds so fucking cliche,
right, but nothing beats abalanced diet.
I mean, look, you see all thiscarnivore.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
No, don't get in the fucking liver game.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
And then you see, vegan, and there's this big
debate and for my whole lifeI've never actually subscribed
to any particular way of eating,Because that's another question
I'll get all the time is what'syour diet like?
What's your diet like?
And I just tell people I eatwhatever I want, right?

(05:54):
But the thing of it is is I eatclean and healthy, like 85% of
the time.
Yep, you know what I mean.
I eat carbohydrates, I eatfruit, rice and I'll eat bread.
Yes, I eat bread, Eggs, meatand I'm eating like rib eyes,

(06:15):
Like I don't give a fuck if it'slean meat or not, I don't care.
Like I'm going to want the fat.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Well, I mean, if I'm going to be buying hamburger
meat to make something like I'mnot going to buy the fucking
73rd, you're like I'm going toget the lean shit Like there's
no point in getting like thatreally fatty shit, sure, no
reason.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Actually, it's funny you say that because I had some
weird like indigestion issues, Ithink, about a year ago, and I
was eating a lot of ground beef.
Like my go-to meal was like aburrito.
I'd make this really goodburrito wrap after my workouts
so I started eating rib eyesinstead and a lot of that went

(06:56):
away and I think it's because Iwas buying ground beef that just
had a high, had a really highfat, like I think it was like
the 70, 30.
And that's the other thingabout eating is all these
proponents of like these ways ofeating, like carnivore and
vegan and all this other shit.

(07:16):
People's bodies react different.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
What's the big thing where everybody's just eating a
shit ton of fat and protein?
They want to eat any carbs.
What's that fucking called Keto?

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Well, that's keto, yeah, keto, anything carnivores
like that too, although I thinkthat's kind of changing because
you guys like Joe Rogan talksabout this a lot.
He says that he eats fruit, sohe eats a lot of fruit with all
his stuff, and I think that'sthe way to go.
I'm actually going toexperiment with that coming into

(07:47):
this competition, because I'lltypically eat bread before and
after my workouts, where nowI've been slowly replacing it
was like two pieces of breadwith each meal with like a piece
of fruit, where now I'm goingto start replacing that with

(08:07):
just straight fruit, becauseyou're still getting the carbs.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
You're still getting the sugars, you're going to have
the energy, but you're notgoing to have this artificial
bullshit.
Right.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Right, because, well, and that's like the other thing
, like people that do thesecarnivore diets that are real
hardcore about it, they won'teat any fruit, they won't eat
anything, and like I don't know,I think some of the most
successful athletes eat a widevariety.
Like I have a wide variety,right?

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, dude, you can't , for example.
So yesterday was my really busyday, so I had a G-class at noon
.
It was a hard fucking class,yeah, right, it was.
Had a lot of people sweating myass off, right.
I had to eat like a little bitof breakfast.
I go home and I'm like you knowwhat?
I had some salad, I made somesalad.
I had some grilled chicken onit.
Man, it was fucking delicious.
Nice, well, I didn't take anaccount was I was going to do a

(08:52):
leg day and then I was going todo night class with Seth and I
was like I didn't take anaccount, I didn't eat any carbs
and I do.
I literally got through with mysquat set and I literally was
going in there to when we wereabout to roll and I was like,
dude, I can't fucking do this.
If you are doing cardio on aregular basis, if you're doing
it throughout the day, you aregoing to need carbs, like I'm

(09:13):
just saying, you have to havesome sort of energy conversion,
like protein you have to have.
I understand, like that's theonly way to build muscles, to
have surplus of protein.
But, dude, you need some energyconversion If you're going to
be doing strenuous shitthroughout the day like Do you
know?

Speaker 1 (09:26):
who Michael Chandler is the UFC.
Yes, he actually talked abouthe did.
He was on the carnivore.
But, like so many athletes findout, when you're putting up
that kind of energy, you have tohave carbohydrates.
Oh yeah, you can't, you justyou have to have it.

(09:47):
And it seems like everyone whocompetes in like a sport or
something, that it's thatintense, you know, like mixed
martial arts, that you just yougot to have those carbs.
And I know there's some likebaseball players that follow the
carnivore, but they do amodified version, because I wish
I could remember who it was.

(10:08):
But basically this guy makeshe's almost all carnivore,
except for after his traininghe's, he's like a sweet potato
pancakes or something.
Okay, he has to replenish thoseglycogen stores, like that's so
important.
I mean, I get it.
You're getting really lean.
And the reason why I get reallylean is because, you know, like
bread, I can tell when I eatbread because I retain more

(10:30):
water when I'm eating bread,where it's like, if I go a
couple of days of just eatingfruits, bro it, yeah, I can tell
.
Right, but like, my energy isstill just as good.
As a matter of fact, my energyfeels a bit cleaner, if that
makes sense when I'm just eatingthe fruit.
But like I love bread because Iput the butter on it, you know,
I fucking love the.

(10:52):
The caries Irish, oh yeah,caries Irish butter.
Yeah, yeah, man, I'll put thatshit on everything.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Well, take, okay, when we say this, when we talk
about carbohydrates, it isextremely, especially if you are
not doing anything throughoutthe day.
It is extremely easy to overdocarbs and I think that's a lot
of.
What gets people bigger is likeyou know.
Well, if you sit around all day, you don't train.
That day you fucking eat potatochips.
You have a bowl of noodles Likeit's it's really easy to cut
and, man, those calories canstack up very, very fast.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
And, uh, you know what we talked about this.
So this is something we weretalking about before the podcast
as well, and this is somethingI've been hitting on my social
media, cause you mentioned theoverconsumption of carbohydrates
.
We look at our society todayand what do we see?
We see a society that isclearly unhealthy, like

(11:43):
physically and mentally, we like.
It boggles my mind that nobodywants to call it a crisis, but
it is a crisis, right?
Um, you know, is it Peter Atea?
You know, you know who he is.
I actually don't know that.
I hope I'm saying his name,right?
How's the spell?
That's Peter Atea, atea.

(12:03):
People listen to this.
We're like I can't believe hedoesn't know him, cause he's on
like Jocos podcast.
He's been on Rogan's podcast.
I'm the man of not knowinganything, if you haven't noticed
.
Well, he's a doctor and he'sbig on fasting, like the seven
day fast, and a lot of peopletalk to me about that.
Yeah, well, he, um, oh man, I'mgoing to lose my wait.
What was I talking about?

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Well, you mentioned Peter Atea, and fasting is what
we were kind of touching on.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Okay, so the overconsumption of carbohydrates
?
Right.
So so we're in this crisis.
All right, we got, we got, wegot a society that has, like,
probably more food options thanwe've ever had before.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Um, yeah, it's gotta be right.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
And a lot of these food options are uh, I called it
.
Yeah, they're like low value,uh, low value calories, empty
calories, it's sugar, uh, it'slike.
Oh, that's that's what PeterAtea was talking about was the
rise of non-alcoholic fattyliver disease.

(13:04):
And he said and that's entirelypreventable.
And so when we look at like oursociety and what people are
dying from, uh, a majority ofthe deaths in our country are
preventable.
Like heart disease, right,heart disease is the most
preventable.
Typically that's a lifestylesmoking, alcohol, poor diet,

(13:28):
sedentary.
And now we're living in a timewhere there's this body
positivity push, yeah, right,like.
It's like we're living inbizarro land where uh, like like
, mainstream organizations andpoliticians are fucking

(13:50):
encouraging people to beunhealthy.
And if you, if you, you pushback against that, if you, um,
if you don't agree with it, it'slike you're the asshole man,
yeah, and then now people, soMSNBC just released an article
about, um, the rise of like howpeople that are into home

(14:13):
fitness are apparently far rightextremists.
So they're like going afterpeople now for being healthy and
taking their health in theirhands.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
How is fucking exercising political.
That blows my mind.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Well see I think it goes back.
And so this is what I said in apost the other day is, I think
this is what I think.
I think a healthy populationthat's mobile, um, that can,
that is adaptable, is dangerous.
I mean, look at where we're atnow, like, and people can say

(14:46):
we're conspiracy theorists allyou want, but when you look at
what our government's doing andhow people are living now, uh,
we have a government that's deadset on, like, taking as much of
our privacy away as possible.
Taking away, okay, ondependence, pretty much.
So let's talk about the big Cword COVID.
That was a great opportunityfor somebody in a position of
power to say, hey, you know what?

(15:08):
Um, americans aren't veryhealthy, and you know, the
talking mouths can blame peoplenot getting vaccinated on the
deaths, but the reality is andI'm not going to look up the
stats, so you know, you guys canfucking fact check, yeah, you
fucking look it up, but it was ahigh degree of people who died
from COVID had comorbidities yes, they were overweight.

(15:30):
They already had healthproblems heart issues, diabetes,
yeah, and like.
And then they had a lot ofpeople who were sick.
They had heart issues, diabetesand like, and then anxiety,
right?
So so so they fear mongered it.
You know terrified people,jesus Christ, every time you
look at the fucking news, yeah,so that would have been a great

(15:50):
opportunity for somebody to say,hey, um, one of the best ways
to keep our society healthy isto start taking care of yourself
, right?

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Let's shut down the gyms in the meantime.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Isn't that fucking bonkers?
So here's the thing.
They're criticizing people forhome fitness, but they fucking
shut the gym down for like ayear and kept fast food joints
open.
Explain the fucking logic inthat Fuck so many.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Please Somebody explain the logic in that?
And guys, home equipment is notfucking cheap, like actual
weights and everything.
Don't even give me startedmachines, like they're fucking
crazy Talking thousands ofdollars to have like I might as
well just be like a fuckingmilitia member.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
I mean, I live off the woods, I train at home.
Like God I'm a straight up Dude.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
He was literally cleaning his musket when I got
here, and that's right.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Bro, I was watching the Patriot.
That's a fucking solid movie,Dude.
I love that shit.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Look at that.
I've seen that movie.
I love that movie.
He did see bullshit the movieyou saw.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
I know something, so yeah, so I think it's really
weird that there's this bodypositivity push.
But, yeah, it's like the powersthat be still refuse to
highlight the benefits of ahealthy lifestyle.
Right, like, why aren't weseeing that push?
Right, like, why, why is itthat people that gravitate

(17:12):
towards fitness and gravitatetowards why are we looked at as
the weird ones?
Right, I think about this.
Like this is this, is this islike a weird thing.
Right, so they call us healthnuts.
Right, like, which is a prettydemeaning term, but like nobody,
that doesn't bother anyone.
But you tell someone they'reobese and holy shit.

(17:35):
Like God forbid, you, fuckingGod forbid.
You criticize someone who's nottaking care of themselves.
Right, and there's a tactfulway to do it.
I don't believe in beratingsomebody for not.
You know, and I make that veryclear in my social media I'm not
going to do that, but I'm notgoing to accept it as healthy.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
No, that's the problem, and I want to touch on
this really quick, just so wedon't sound like completely
ignorant assholes.
Go for it.
So, matt, have you ever been,have you ever been like any any
overweight like at all?
Never, okay, so I will talkabout this briefly.
So my family, some like some ofthem, have problems with
obesity and I'm going to sayfirsthand, I have seen the cycle

(18:18):
.
My mom I love her to pieces isactually a birthday today.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Mom, somehow you hear this happy birthday.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Tell her.
I said happy birthday but like,so she had me.
And obviously with pregnancy,with women, like it is super
common to retain some of thatway.
You know, when I got older man,I started listening to the dare
people who come through myschool and I'm like, oh my God,
my mom does drugs, cigarettes ora fucking drug yeah, I was
preaching on that so she quitsmoking and then, well, you know
, you lose nicotine a lot oftimes.

(18:45):
People, to cope with thataddiction loss, they, you know,
they'll eat, no, you know, blowbinge eat.
And she has found herself inlike this whole one.
I have witnessed it and itmakes me, it breaks my heart to
see it, but she has.
Every time it's like she triesto start doing something.
It seems like it makes it worse, like on our mental health,
like she already like hatesbeing that way and it's this

(19:08):
constant, it's this fuckingnegative spiral.
And no, guys, if you, I'm notsaying she's, she's not fucking
400 pounds or anything, butshe's just like it's a, it's a
fucking pitfall man, you, youhate yourself a little more and
you cope with that by eatingmore and it's just like.
It's like emotional eating, yes, you know, and, like dude, it's
really.
It's hard to get started, it'shard to lose that weight.
That's a large hill to climband we understand that.

(19:32):
But we still can't.
We can't glorify this, we can'tsay like, oh no, that's okay to
be that way that you knowyou're going to have, you're
already pre diabetic, you've gotthe signs of congestive heart
failure, like that's not shapingup to be a long healthy line.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah, Like the numbers they have on, like
people in this country that arepre diabetic they're.
They're pretty staggering.
Again, I'm, you guys can lookthis shit up.
We're not.
We're not such a high speedpodcast.
Yet they were like let me, hey,jamie, pull that up.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
We don't have a Jamie .
Yeah, we don't have a.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Jamie.
But like hey man, you can justlook around at our society and
see how jacked up Everyone'sbecoming to hear in the South to
it's like, yeah, everything'sdeep fried.
It's bad.
Like the proper Midwest.
Michigan's not the fuckingMidwest, okay, neither is
fucking Wisconsin.
That's so annoying.

(20:23):
That's like it's not Midwest ofanything.
Literally it's not.
It's north, like what the fuck?
Get your directions right.
People Fucking geography Righthere.
Sorry, I just had to get thatout there.
But you're right.
In the South there's, there's,and you know people want to like
link it to education, and Iguess that could be a part of it

(20:46):
, but I don't.
It's not just the South, though, anymore.
I mean it's, it's.
It's a nationwide Dude.
It's a worldwide problem,because now it's like the US is
kind of the epicenter, thoughit's a well, because we export
our fast food Like like anyoneelse needs that shit like dude.
I was in Dubai and they're likeMcDonald's there.

(21:07):
They call things differentnames, but the Royale with
cheese, that's literally whatit's called, bro, you fucking
with the whole picture behindthe truth.
Yes, it's a royal with cheese.
100%, you gotta be fuckingkidding.
I'm not kidding Because welaughed about that.
You're like, we laughed aboutit because that's literally what
it was on the.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
What about the money?
Why would they call it like theeighth of a kilogram with
cheese?
I don't know, dude, it was theroyal.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
They're right, holy shit.
Yeah, that's how they do theVolta, at least in Dubai.
That's how we saw it.
I didn't.
I didn't get to go to any otherfast food joints in any other
countries because, like Greece,didn't I Mean.
Why would you eat fast food inGreece?
Their food is fucking amazingas it is.
They probably want variety ifthey have it so good man.
Well, they eat a lot of meat, alot of chicken, and they they.

(21:56):
You ever had of a shawarma?
If you ever have a chickenshawarma, I've never had a
shawarma.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
They're delicious.
It was actually consideredIndian food, am I wrong?

Speaker 1 (22:02):
that I Think it will.
Middle Eastern Okay, I grew upin Dearborn, you know, and
there's a East Dearborn has avery large Middle Eastern
population and so the food inEast and Dearborn is amazing.
If you like Middle Easterncuisine, like Dearborn is the
place to go, because they'reLebanese, iraqi and Iranian

(22:23):
mostly so, but anyway.
So get them back to the this,this, this body positivity.
You know, you mentioned yourmom.
It's funny because I love mymom to death too and she's kind
of had the same struggle andshe's actually doing really well
now.
She walks, her and her, my dad,they go on walks and she's lost
a good amount of weight.

(22:44):
Yeah, awesome, and she's, she'skeeping it off, which that's
been her.
Her personal struggle with withfood and weight is that she
would lose weight and then itwould just come back because she
was always chasing a diet, likeshe wasn't making those
lifestyle choices, and so thisis like another topic, right,

(23:08):
like that's really likelifestyle choices.
You know a lot of people thatare unhealthy.
They they're whole lifestylestypically unhealthy.
They're usually Not gettingthem right I'm on a sleep,
they're.
They probably don't reallyfollow a routine and like I get
it.
People criticize people withroutines, but there's a reason
why routines work, like when youknow you got to do certain

(23:29):
things at certain times andmakes it easier for you to stay
on track, and so, like when youlook at people that you know
have extra weight and they,they're emotional eaters.
There's also a lot of otherunhealthy things going on in
their lives, like they spend anorder amount of times Time just

(23:50):
Sitting like not doing anything.
Well, dude, our bodies were madeto fucking move.
There's a reason why we havearms and legs Crawl, walk, climb
.
We're supposed to do all thatstuff.
That's what we have adapted todo, and yet, you know, we live
in a time where, you know,convenience is I think
convenience is Is kind ofguiding everything.

(24:13):
All of our technology is Deathand motivation.
Dude, absolutely like, whyleave your house when you can
literally have all your garbagedelivered to you?
Uber Eats, like.
I hear people talk about UberEats and shit.
I'm like I've never had, I'venever been able to have.
Well, you don't live in bum,fuck nowhere.
So it's probably not I knowwhat.
Just, and I probably stillwouldn't use it, though, because

(24:33):
I'd like to cook.
I cook my own food, and that'sthe other thing about people who
tend to be unhealthy Is they'reprobably not preparing their
own meals.
Oh god, no fast food all theway in.
Yeah, or or they're getting.
They're buying Frozen food,like those frozen meals that you
put in a microwave.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
They're buying shit like they're hunger man's like.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
I know people who literally, they'll eat like
pizza rolls and like that'stheir dinner.
Like pizza rolls, like ember.
There you go, and she can getaway with it right now.
Oh yeah, she's young, yep, butthat shit will catch up, I
promise, because as we get older, our metabolism slows down.
So for me, anyway so it's likemy mom has has also dealt with

(25:18):
this this kind of relationshipwith food, because I think
that's where I mean a lot ofthis starts right and again, she
was a smoker too.
It's.
There's that connection where alot of smokers stop and so they
they compensate.
Well, they got my taste budsback and this tastes good and
it's like, no, it's becauseyou're so used to putting
something in your mouth and oralfixation is a real thing, dude.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
It's like absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
That's why I'm quitting.
I tell people this I smoked alittle bit in high school and
into college, like my Stintoncollege and in my early years,
and that was super easy to quitbecause I started working like I
got even more serious about mywork and I just quit dip yeah, I

(26:03):
fucking broke.
That was the hardest because Ididn't even pick up dipping
until the marine cork.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
That's such a common thing in the military?
No, I guess, because they'relike you.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
You know it's like a jujitsu competition.
You get there and they're like,oh, we got to hurry up.
And then you have hours whereyou just you wait and like in
the military you can't goanywhere.
So like if you're, once you'rein the armory, you can't just
leave, like because there'sweapons out, like you can't do
anything, like you have toliterally sit there and just
wait for five hours.
So what do you do?
You bust out, dip and you justdip and like, well, what would

(26:36):
you go to them?

Speaker 2 (26:37):
I'm kind of curious.
Grizzly wintergreen, that's sobasic, god damn.
But it was the strongest A man,no, I.
The skull is actually stronger,believe it or not.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
I Didn't like skull man, like I always got the
biggest buzz from grizzlywintergreen.
Or if I wanted to get fans, I'dget the Copenhagen wintergreen,
copenhagen, copenhagen's nice,I know I actually looked at our
thing.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
We actually do have quite a few overseas listeners
and they're probably wonderingwhat the actual fuck we are
talking about Holy shit.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
They know because when we train at the foreign
Legion they had dip too.
Oh really, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
I know in Mexico it's not as common.
I don't know about.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
I think it's pretty common in Europe.
I don't think it's unheard ofIn Africa.
They chew cot which is likeLike a, it's like coca, almost
like it's like their version.
Yeah, it's called cot whenwe're in Djibouti.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
That's where to go, djibouti.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
So I'm gonna fucking find a way to get every episode.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
That's gonna be the ongoing joke.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
So booty, fucking Djibouti, but they would like.
So part of what the foreignfrench foreign Legion was doing
is they were remapping theirroutes because they had, like
these smugglers smuggling thiscot because it's like a, they
can turn into a drug, so likeand it rots your teeth.
So you could tell like a cotuser, because their teeth would
just be all rotten and stuff.
Um, so I don't even know whywe're talking about that.

(27:58):
How do we get on that?

Speaker 2 (27:59):
How do we get?
We were talking about dip andyou're talking about in
different countries and cultures.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
But dipping, quitting that was the hardest.
So the oral fixation like thatwas it took me probably five
tries to quit dip and then Ifinally stuck when Ah, let's see
my then wife we went on a tripto Maine and we were just, we
were so far away From a storethat I ran out and I was like

(28:27):
all right, that's like I'm done.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
It's telling me about the process of like going
through that, like just nothaving any.
It's suck dude.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
But you know I was, I was, I was already like healthy
and I already had a goodmindset with food.
So but it was a hard.
Uh, it was hard because I wasall like antsy and then you get,
uh get moody, like you knowyou're not having this extra
burst, and uh, it didn't lasttoo long, luckily.
And then, once I quit, I wasglad because I could, I could

(28:55):
feel it my gums, it does fuckwith your, yeah and so.
So, like my mom dealt with thisemotional eating.
But where she's made the changeis just she's made lifestyle
changes.
So she does intermittentfasting, um, she cuts off, she
like she'll stop eating aftereight o'clock at night and she,

(29:19):
she's like she's In a betterplace mentally.
Yep, she's, she's losing weightand that makes her like, when
you see, that and and and here'sthe other important thing about
that weight loss is that, uh,all those earlier times she was
losing weight, she would lose itreally fast, right like, oh god
, I lost 20 pounds over the lasttwo weeks and that's like whoa,

(29:41):
that's a lot.
It's hyper aggressive.
It's almost guaranteed torebound, because you know it's
more realistic to try to loselike a pound a week, maybe.
That's.
Yeah, that's even like, that'spretty, that's sustainable.
Yeah, because you got to lookat the health and fitness game.
You have to see it for what itis and it's the fucking long
game.
It has to be something you doyour whole life.

(30:02):
It has to be a decision youmake, and so she.
She made that decision and sonow they walk daily.
Uh, they eat, they eat good,and even if she cheats, she will
allow herself to cheat becauseshe knows she's not gonna eat
after eight o'clock.
And she's helped, she's stuckto that right.
And now she's seeing theresults and she, you know she's
65.

(30:23):
Yeah, not getting younger andthe and that's the other crazy
thing about, uh, this bodypositivity, and there's I don't
think there's any science thatthat shows that being obese is
good.
Right, I mean no, I don't.
And if there is, I'm gonnareally call bullshit on that,

(30:45):
because that's.
I don't think anyone will denythe fact that when you're
carrying around excess bodyweight, that that's reducing
years, that's taking years offyour life.
But you can reverse that andthat's what bulls, my mind, is
like.
People will pay.
They will like they'll payinsurance.

(31:07):
Right, they'll pay insurancefor life insurance.
Oh, I gotta have my lifeinsurance.
Um, I gotta have my healthinsurance.
I gotta have insurance for myhouse.
I gotta have insurance for mycar.
I want to have insurance for myvideo games and my video game
consoles and my tv.
And he had no.
Mother fucker stops and says,well, maybe I should uh Like
there's a, there's freeinsurance.

(31:27):
And that's called taking careof yourself, it's called eating
right, it's called Doingsomething physically active
every day.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Well, if you want to cash in your life insurance
early, you can just continueAbsolutely and everyone else
gets the benefit, all the peoplein your life.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
You're like thank god , that fat fuck died.
I do this for my family.
Sorry, I don't mean to, youknow, yeah, we're poking fun,
sorry, that's okay, fuck,whatever.
Yeah, people listen to this.
Are that easily offended?
Then they're just not the rightcrowd.
Yeah, so then we're not evenbeing mean, but uh, I just it
blows my mind and I get there'speople out there that struggle

(32:03):
with, uh, that relationship withfood.
Right, like I get it.
Man, it's an addiction there,dude, absolutely.
And it's like especially withdepression, and yeah, there's a
lot of depressed people rightnow.
Mental health is all time low.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
It feels like yeah, all time.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
I'm just saying like no, I I think there's something
to that.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
I mean, I think it's with, without the history of our
nation.
I'll say that I'm gonna say,yeah, I'm probably pretty
depressed and, like the bubonicplague era, like Pretty fucking
sad.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
They seemed a bit hardier back then, like, yeah,
they seem like they can endure alittle bit more.
It seems like we're now, um, Idon't know, man, durability.
It just doesn't seem likepeople are as durable as they
they used to be.
And when you think about theamount of people that are on
pharmaceuticals for for not justmental health, but like that

(32:54):
ozempic, like Okay, so nowyou're gonna get people who Get
on this ozempic and they'regonna have to be on it for the
rest of life, because thesepeople, like all pharmaceuticals
, almost do they always treat,they mask Almost all, especially
ssri's.
They're just masking thesymptoms, like that's what you

(33:16):
treat.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
A lot of people treat symptoms.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
They don't treat root root sore exactly, which is
getting to the base of yourfucking trauma.
Like they would just rathertake a pill and lie to
themselves that they're okay.
And that's the same thing withthis ozempic.
I've been alive long enough tosee Weight loss drugs come and
go.
My mom was doing one of thoseinjectable based weight loss
drugs.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Ozempic is literally I give that it's for a diet,
fucking betes it's for it's notto help you.
Wait, I literally it helps,like over, like it.
People do it once a week and itreally does help keep their
blood sugar lower.
I have first hand seen it.
It is effective.
But you should not be takingmedicine away from diabetic
People.
Yeah, I could help your weightloss, or that you're too lazy to
do the shit the right way?

(33:56):
Yeah, like, but if you're type 2diabetic, well, you can reverse
that Well, I'm talking aboutlike people like in my populace
of where I work, like long-termcare, like I mean they're not
exactly doing jumping jackswhere I'm coming from too.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
No, they, they missed the bus.
Yeah, this should have startedearlier.
They wouldn't be there thatmaybe would be Jack.
LaLaine.
Hey man, jack LaLaine was inhis 90s and it's like swimming
across alcatraz and shit.
So, jesus Christ, I'm gonna bethat motherfucker if I live that
long.
Dude, I just refused to.
And that's the other thing likequality of life If there's any

(34:33):
other reason to take care ofyourself, be healthy, be strong.
You know quality of life whenyou Can move your body in any
way you want.
You know, when you're like whenI see someone who's severely
obese, it's like they're trappedin their butt.
You ever think, like, how dothey wipe their ass?
How do they shower?

(34:53):
How do they?
How are they doing their basicday-to-day activities when they
require two airplane seats?
It just it seems like it leadsto a whole host of problems that
are entirely preventable.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Every like basic activities of daily living Are
gonna be super fuckingchallenging.
Can you imagine that?
Like that's like no.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
See, when I was young , I I don't know why Uh, the
fitness bug bit me when it, likeas young as it did.
I just knew.
When I first started workingout at about 16 or 17, um, I was
doing bodyweight stuff and thenmy parents got a bow flex, oh,
I started with the bow flex dude.
I fucking love the bow flex.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Holy shit.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
People will shit on it.
I shit on bow flex.
I fucking hate it.
I loved it Like it got me intoworking out.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
I know, but the weights are so fucking
inaccurate.
I'm the one, of course, likethe bendy, the bendy black.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yeah, oh fuck, it's just that's like, it's like
resistance bands, that's all itis, you know.
And but it was my, it was myintroduction to training and
that led me to free weights,which I mean, that's the king
like right there, free weights,is it?
But, uh, I, I wrote like acontract with myself when I was
young.
I, I, I made a promise tomyself that I would always take

(36:09):
care of myself, that I wouldalways be healthy and like, I
would always be like at a youknow, I call it fighting weight,
you know, just basically be atthe weight I should be at.
Um, and I would always behealthy.
And I never went back on that,even like.
Whatever I had going on in mylife, whether it was being in
the military, being a combat,like, uh, and I had been

(36:30):
criticized for this my wholelife.
Like, growing up, I was alwaysthe weirdo who's like bringing
his food everywhere, you know,like, you know, I'd go out and
I'd bring my own food with mebecause I'm like, I'm not eating
that shit.
Like, fuck you, I don't care ifyou're offended, I don't give a
fuck.
Well, fuck you like.
And so, because my health wasimportant.
So I was like the meal prep guy, I was doing that shit 20 years

(36:53):
ago.
You know where everyone's doingit now, like look at my
Instagram, I'm meal prepping.
That's like cool, bro, like Ialso eat.
I happen to be a neater myself.
I happen to eat healthy food aswell, uh, so it just caught on
at a young age.
I never let go of it and it'sfunny because Maybe you were

(37:14):
there.
We're talking about this Cooper, um, because he's run into this
.
So when I was like in my early20s, people were, they were
always negative about workingout because they weren't.
So it was always like, oh, justwait until you're in your 30s.
And so I get into my 30s.
I'm like, okay, yeah, fuckingtough.
What?
Oh, wait until you're in your40s.

(37:35):
And I'm like, well, all right,I'm in my 40s now and Now I'm
doing jujitsu.
Yeah, now I'm training harderthan I've ever trained my entire
fucking life.
Right, and those people who willsay stuff like that, those are
the people who are projectingtheir insecurities, or they are
actually.
They are actually telling youthat maybe they were like you at

(37:59):
one point, but they didn't havethe discipline to stay with it.
Because that's what it is, it'sfucking discipline.
It's jocco style discipline.
Discipline equals freedom.
That's why he talks about that,because when, uh, when you're
able to take care of your bodyand your mind, you're able to do
more stuff.
Right, you're, you're like youfucking feel better, yeah, and

(38:23):
you don't need to buy twoairplane tickets Exactly because
you can't fit in one chair.
Like isn't that a crazy problemin our system?
That's a Like we look aroundthe world and there's people
starving, and then you come hereto America and like there's
people and just running aroundon rascals and walmart oh my
yeah, because they're fat yeahnot because they're handicapped.

(38:44):
Well, they're handicappedbecause they're fat, yes, but
don't say that to them becausethey'll blame.
Oh, it's genetic, it's part ofmy family, it's like dude.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
There are.
There are people with actualgenetic issues?
I'm sure there is, but thepercentage is.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Fucking low, right it's.
It's the same argument peoplefor against abortion.
They're like oh so if this girlgets raped by her dad, then I
can't want to have abortion.
It's like the reality of thatis happening is so fucking low
that Like why are you using thatas an argument?
Like that's a terrible argumentbecause it's like that's that's

(39:16):
probably not even a percentageof what Actual abortion, it's
just these fucking slots goingout getting banged out.
I mean, like I don't give afuck, like women treated and I'm
I'm pro-choice, right, I'mpro-choice, but let's call a
fucking duck-a-duck, all right.
Like there's a lot of women outthere that just Look they.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Like having sex without protection.
They don't want you to wear acondom.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Yeah then, so they just Get their little plan beer
or whatever the fuck it is.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
I mean good on them, I don't give a fuck.
It's their choice.
I'm not gonna classify plan Bas abortion.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
That's like, literally like Nothing, like
that's like it's an ironic thatplanned parenthood is called
planned parenthood when you'renot planning anything You're not
planning parenthood?
Yeah you're planning toactually do the opposite, like I
don't want to.
This should be like Planned.
Fucking dying fetus.
That's a death metal band.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
I know, I know, I saw them at a concert.
Yeah, dark.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Freedies.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
They sound pretty fucking gangster dude.
Yeah, they're awesome man.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
So yeah, man, this push for body positivity, I
think, is a fucking terribleidea.
I don't know where it comesfrom and I don't know where it
goes.
I mean, where does it go fromhere, man?
Like I don't.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
It's pretty much the inversion of everything that's
healthy or normal.
Like that's pretty much wherewe're at.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
And we're criticizing people that take care of
themselves.
Yeah, which is crazy.
You know, like there's ahashtag I use now and it's
strength is never a weakness,because before he came over, he
was talking about body of mind,and this is another thing I
mentioned in my post, because itseems like isn't necessarily

(40:56):
like strong, healthy masculinityis under attack.
I just think strength ingeneral is under attack, and
what I mean by that is peoplewho have strong character,
strong mind, strong bodies,strong thoughts, like they're
like dangerous.
Now, right, yes, which, well, Imean without.

(41:17):
You know, I live way out here,so it's like I feel like I get
to, I have this outsider'sperspective and it seems like
that's what, for some weirdreason, that's what's going on.
It's like strength andconfidence are being attacked
and they're just being labeledas toxic masculinity or
something like that, but yet,which I don't know.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
It boggles my mind because that's kind of against
our human nature.
Like, okay, this is like I'mgoing to.
I'm going to reference like aBill Burr skip, which I don't
agree with Bill Burr andeverything.
He's hilarious, he is fuckinghilarious.
But I mean, he makes a fewcomments about this, but he's
talking about the attack onmasculinity.
You know, you females, you know, are going to want like these
fucking sensitive soy boys.
But like, when you're fucking,front door gets kicked in and

(42:05):
the shit's about to hit the fan,do you want the guy who's up
grabbing a weapon or do you wantthe guy who's hiding under the
covers looking at you?

Speaker 1 (42:11):
like Okay, so I'm going to branch off of that,
because, did you see, a coupleof weeks ago there was like a
viral TikTok of a liberal girl,like a liberal woman, saying how
it's she's upset becausethere's no masculine men in her
liberal circle, like most of themasculine men she knows are all
conservative.

(42:31):
But yes, she won't date aconservative guy.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Well, I think that issue's kind of been created by
I mean, I'm talking to my buddywho lives out in Oregon and he's
experiencing the same thing.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
He's a very masculine , it's confident guy.
You said ex-Marine, right?
Yes, I was in the Marine Corpswith them and he's in an area
he's in Oregon which is veryliberal and he's in a town
that's even this, he bent bentOregon, and he's a black man,
very good looking DenzelWashington, like black man and

(43:07):
he confirms that he's like it'sweird, because you know, he's.
It's like a lot of the guys outthere are just very passive,
you know very and and he, he isvery passive, he, he does, you
know, he does well for himselfwith the ladies, yeah, and

(43:28):
that's almost the.
That's the number one thingalmost all of them talk to him
about is just, there's this lackof masculine guys and it's like
hello, haven't you been fuckingcrying about how masculinity is
Toxic, toxic, right, and so youcan't have both, like you can't

(43:48):
have Matt, you can't haveneutered guys and expect
masculinity, and just suddenlyman up out in nowhere, right,
Like look dude, we're guys for areason.
Guys are guys for fucking reason.
I'm not going to get into thistrans debate or anything like
that.
I'm I fucked that.
But guys are guys.
Guys are guys because theythink logically typically, and

(44:10):
they can tend to be able to puttheir emotions aside to get
something done.
Hopefully, hopefully, andthat's okay, like, and there's
exceptions to that and that'sokay too, there's balance to
that.
Absolutely Like we can tap intoour quote, unquote feminine side
if we need to, if we're in acrisis scenario and, you know,
maybe yelling and beingaggressive isn't the tact to

(44:33):
take or the tactic, but maybeyou have to kind of like, be
more of like I don't know ifmother's a word, but like a
parental role where you, justyou got to, you know you have to
, you have to exude somefeminine energy, you got to calm
people and assure them andthings like that.
There is definitely a time andplace for that, absolutely so.

(44:55):
I think that's just reallyfunny, that that Bilber says
that and you're seeing peoplecomplaining on both sides Like
you know this, this, I wish Icould remember the tech, but I
mean it blew up, it was on thenews even and she's just
complaining about the lack ofmasculine men and these very
liberal circles and it's like,well, yeah, because they're all

(45:19):
like, they're fucking liketransitioning to women now, yeah
, I mean competing with women.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
They've literally, like they've fucking white
knighted so long for this, thismovement, that they're just.
It's our time.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yeah, but I'm not going to get in there.
Yeah, we'll stay cool.
That's a, that's a fucking,that's a can of worms, dude.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
I someone tell me who listened to this.
Or like man, you guys get offtopical.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
I'm like yeah, that's the point, man.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yeah, just fucking.
That's the point, just kind ofgo for it.
I thought I will say today Ifeel like we had probably less
reference material than usual.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Yeah, this is just a shoot from the hip kind of
episode.
Yeah, we'll see how people likeit, I guess, with like the, the
undercurrent, just healthfitness stuff, like that.
So why don't know?
We, sorry, go ahead.
No, no, I'm just going to saywe touched on a lot of this body
positivity.
I was going to figure we can Idon't know start talking a

(46:13):
little bit about things you cando, you know, especially when it
comes to strength, strengthconditioning and even like
strength and conditioning withJiu Jitsu.
So because before I started JiuJitsu, I was not sure how to
train for Jiu Jitsu, right, Ithink a lot, and you know it's

(46:33):
interesting because, like withJiu Jitsu, you see a lot of, you
see a lot of like differenttraining styles.
Oh yeah, and I think they'reall, they're pretty generic,
because most of the training andI'm not saying it's wrong, it's
not, it's not wrong, there's noright or wrong way is basically
what I learned, if you'retrying, if you are training, if

(46:54):
you were like actually workingto get better at it, that's a
good thing, like I mean.
I well, that's why I thinkfunctional strength Like I.
So before I realized I wasgoing to do Jiu Jitsu, I was
doing like a very traditionalpower building kind of workout,
which was good, but I was reallymissing the conditioning

(47:16):
because I would like do a setand I'd rest for three minutes.
You know, lifting pretty heavy,but you just you're not getting
any kind of conditioningelement from that.
And I was doing a lot oftraditional stuff, like I think,
the stuff people see me doingright now.
I wasn't doing that two yearsago.
Like I was doing barbells,dumbbells, just linear planes of
motion up down.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Which is great it builds strength but like the
difference between moving staticweight and trying to control a
human person who is using theirentire body to try to get away
from you?
Yes, is too very different.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
And that's where I think unconventional functional
type training is very valuable.
And you know a lot of people, Idon't think, know where to
start or how to implement stufflike that into their routine,
and the way I did it was it waslike a very gradual process.
So I just I realized thatcircuits would be the way to go

(48:08):
right, like circuit training,because but the problem with
circuit training, especially inthe popular view of circuit
training, is you almost alwayssee it with like aerobics or
body weight, or you see peoplecircuit training and they're
just their training was superlightweight and they're not.
And so that's when I cameacross that jailhouse strong and

(48:30):
I was like, well, let's seewhat's going on with this.
And they had this.
Their system is based off.
It's called PHA peripheralheart action training and what
it is is basically I'm going toforget their names Bob Guida.
Bob Guida was this gold era orsilver era bodybuilder who

(48:52):
popularized.
He didn't invent it, it was theprofessor he worked with.
I'm going to forget his name.
But so Bob Guida was abodybuilder who started this
circuit style training andbasically he would have like
five to eight movements and hewould do them all in a row and
then not rest and just go rightback through and you do that

(49:13):
three or four times and yourfucking heart rate staying yeah
too amazing effect.
But what jailhouse strong didis they kind of put their own
little flare on it.
They added strongman stuff andthen I took that and I added my
own flare to it, which was more.
Once I started doing jiu-jitsu Istarted being able to identify

(49:33):
like movements that would reallybenefit, like I loved, like
bear crawls and the sandbag, thefucking sandbag.
I get so many people askingabout sandbags and if there's
one way to almost instantlyimprove your functional
unconventional strength,especially with jiu-jitsu, it's

(49:53):
sandbag training.
So literally dead weight, man,dude it.
Not only is it dead weight butit's shifting.
It's like shifting dead weightand with jiu-jitsu you never
know which way your opponent'sgoing to go.
I mean there's always thatshift.
So like the sandbag for me islike the basis of my

(50:16):
unconventional sort offunctional training program
because I'm using a sandbag inevery workout.
You know, grip, it's going towork.
Your grip, your forearms, yourshoulders, your traps, I mean
your core, like the kind of thekind of movement like I'm doing
the sandbag suplexes and man, Ilike I get the core engagement I

(50:39):
get from something like that isfuck, is top notch, you know,
and then that directly transfersover into jiu-jitsu.
But, with that being said,there's a lot of successful like
power lifters that do jiu-jitsu.
So I guess that the like whatdo you do?

(51:00):
What I do?

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yeah, I definitely follow a more traditional weight
training program.
It's definitely the same asyours.
I mean, I honestly kind of usejiu-jitsu as my training for
jiu-jitsu.
I know it sounds kind of goofy,but that's okay, no, that's all
right, I do.
I really like a basic.
I do just a push, pull legssplit with I do.
I like free weight.
I really like my dumbbells.
I think dumbbells are morepractical.

(51:25):
Yeah, dumbbells are awesome,obviously, with my squat I'm
doing, I'm doing bar deadlifts,like I'm probably going to be
doing barbell, obviously, butyeah, I mean I really I really
like using my dumbbells for alot of my movements.
But I mean, yeah, I said moretraditional, like if I wanted to
, if I really try to add incardio, I really like just
hitting the road running.
I don't think running is areally great translation over to

(51:48):
jiu-jitsu.
I mean it increases your cardio.
Yeah, I had a stint where, whenI was boxing, I was getting
extremely tired.
I was like I mean, I wasliterally at the point where I
was running, like I was runningthree miles like every other day
and I was like I was getting.
I was boxing dude and TrevorAnderson fucking great guy he
was, he was working with me.
At that point we do one threeminute round.

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I'd be gasped.
I was like what the fuck iswrong with me?
I'm boxing is tiring, don't getwrong.
Yeah, I literally asked Trevor.
I'm like, dude, I'm doing somuch to try to get my cardio
better and I'm just tiring outand this is when I keep mine as
early on.
He's like dude, like when youget in the pocket you don't
breathe.
I, literally as soon as he saidthat, and I started exhaling
with each strike, I startedmaking sure, even in the pocket

(52:30):
I was taking the time, you knowmy mouth guard, I'm taking time
to breathe I noticed atremendous increase in, like how
much I could perform.
I'm like there's just littlestuff that you can do like that.
Well, that's why I got thatbreast trainer Exactly.
We've been talking about that.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Yeah, I've been on it about a week and I noticed
people have been asking me aboutit.
I'm going to probably do anupdate on that coming up, but
it's a, it's it's trinket.
You know, that's the and Ididn't really even think about
this, right, like people, Ithink.
When they think of their lungs,I think people assume they're
like a muscle, but they're not.

(53:02):
The lungs are just literally abag, yep, and your diaphragm is
what's responsible for openingthem up.
So you know, the diaphragm is amuscle, yep, which means you
can train it to be stronger.
So this little O2 breathingsystem, it's like this rubber
thing you put in your mouth.
You breathe out forcefully allthe way, you breathe all that

(53:23):
air out and then you inhalethrough your, not through your
nose.
You don't use your nose at all,but you're inhaling through the
mouthpiece and there, on theother end, on the other side of
this tube, it's like a littlehole.
So it's actually likeresistance for your diaphragm
and I, after using it for thisweek, I mean.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
I don't think it's a long enough trial related to it.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
No, but you know, when you include it with all the
stuff I'm already doing, Iwould, I, just I would.
I like to think that I amnoticing very, very small
changes, like if people see bothof them.
It could be, it could be.
But I mean it is strengtheningmy diaphragm.
Yeah, I do like 30 reps everymorning, like on days I'm not

(54:14):
doing my strength conditioning,I'll do it in the evening, and
on days where I'm doing jujitsuI'll do my breath stuff in the
morning.
You know like I'll do, but it's30 repetitions, so you only
want to do them within I thinkit's under four minutes and, and
there's three differentexercises you can do with it.
But after my competition I waslike man, I really want to

(54:39):
improve my conditioning evenmore, because I think there's
always ways you can improve.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Oh, dude, you know, being satisfied is the death of
motivation.
Like you have to keep pushing,yeah, and I try to explain to my
girlfriend and she doesn't.
She's like you look fine, thankyou, it was fine for the web.
I'm like, if I don't pushmyself at all, I'm like, oh,
this is good, I'll just stayhere.
I literally won't put in thework.
Like you have to put in thework, you have to motivate
yourself.
Yes, you can't just be like, oh, yeah, I'm good, I'm just going

(55:04):
to stay here.
That's when you fucking godownhill, that's when you start
putting on the weight.
Like you have to continue topush all the time, find ways to
improve.
I'm not saying I'm notadvocating for body dysmorphia,
like, oh, my God, I'm a fuckinglard ass, which I mean a lot of
the stuff I'm in the fitnessthing, like they.
Like like looking at yourselflike, damn dude, I'm fucking
obese and it's all reality.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Well, there's that they call bigorexia, which is
hilarious, I mean, I'm surethere's people that have it, but
I don't know.
I think.
But see, that's another.
That's like another.
Like oh well, what can we givea name to people that want to
have muscle, like what's calledbigorexic?
It's like that is like, that'scrazy.

(55:44):
Why would you not want to havelike muscle?
Well, but, but I will say thisthere is a point where, like a
bodybuilder gets so big, likethey're almost obese.
It's like they had the samemobility issues that an obese
person has, yes, and like likewhen Jake Cutler or Ronnie
Coleman were at their biggest.
It's like, how are they wipingtheir ass?
Like those motherfuckers arebarely move their arms and tie

(56:06):
their shoes, like they'rewalking upstairs, like dying,
Like that.
Okay, let's make this veryclear Bodybuilding.
Bodybuilding is not a sport.
Let's make that fucking clear.
Bodybuilding is not a sport.
Damn dude.
It is not a sport.
I will say it's an art form.
Okay, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
It's not a sport, so you're going to get some big
motherfuckers after us, bro.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Yeah, some big non-mobile motherfuckers.
That.
What are they going to do?
Let's come over and snap theirshoulder.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
They can't even fucking run away like 20 feet
and one.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
No, I mean, look, I've loved a bodybuilders and I
think bodybuilding is veryrelevant, especially if you have
an injury.
Like bodybuilding styletraining is excellent for
someone rehabbing a muscle orsomething.
But I mean, and I get peoplelike, well, gordon Ryan, gordon
Ryan Ryan, you know, basicallytrains like a bodybuilder and

(57:00):
well, that's fucking Gordon Ryanman.
Like, yeah, the dudes also, youcan't, you can't use him as an
example for anything.
You know, fucking freakingnature.
And like I had any trains youjust do three times a week,
seven times, or three times aday, seven days a week, you know
.
So it's like who fucking doesthat?
Like Mike Musimachi.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Yeah like their full time job is jujitsu.
Yes, full time Like yes.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
So you can't, people can't fucking do that.
You can't take those trainingprotocols from people like that.
But I'm like, real quickly I dowant to go over how I've
programmed my training this time.
So I got my competition August12th.
So because I have a lot ofpeople asking me how I program
my stuff, so this like so Itrain Sundays and Thursdays are

(57:47):
my strength and conditioningdays, right.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Listen, a lot of people probably like scoff at
that.
Like only two days of weighttraining, that's crazy, but
actually it took me.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
it took me months to get comfortable with that
because I was had the samemindset.
I'm like I'm not doing enough,yeah Right.
Like I'm doing three days ofstrength and conditioning and
I'm doing three days of jujitsu.
And I talked to a friend andhe's very you know, very
knowledgeable about a lot ofthis stuff as well and he trains
twice a week and he startedputting like the guy people he

(58:18):
trains on this twice a weekprotocol and this very minimal
style training.
So I was like all right, fuckit, I added a day to jujitsu,
dropped a day of strength andconditioning.
So now I'm doing two days ofstrength and conditioning and
it's working out really wellbecause I don't feel over
trained, so okay.
So let's like take my Thursdayworkout, my Thursday workout,

(58:41):
because there's a bunch ofthings I've changed because of
my competition.
You know, people can argue aboutrepetition range and stuff like
that, and typically on mycompound lifts like so Thursdays
I start my lifts with the trapbar deadlift.
Okay, typically I would andlet's say that the training

(59:05):
programs before my competition Iwould usually work in about a
10 rep range and use a fairlyamount of weight, like four or
five, oh shit.
Okay.
So four, four, four, five, 10,15 for 10 reps, god damn son.
And.
But that was pretty brutal, itwas pretty brutal.
And then again it's a circuit.
So I do, I do a couple moremovements.

(59:26):
Yeah, yeah, I still do that.
But so what I'm doing now,though, is so now I dropped the
weight, I'm doing about 275, butI'm hitting.
I hit 18 reps last time, so I'mgoing like, really, cause
there's one thing that that thejujitsu competition told me was

(59:46):
that I could do much better withworking on my muscular
endurance, and that's one thingpeople need to understand.
When you are making a program,especially if you do a sport or
if you competed, anything likeyour program is supposed to
compliment your goals, your youryes.
So I mean, if you're nottraining for anything, you just

(01:00:09):
go to the gym and lift, likethat's fine, but I'm really
talking to the people who aredoing jujitsu, mixed martial
arts, box and or, or or anyother kind of sport.
Right, like, um, your traininghas to be supplementary, right,
it can't be like, oh man, I'mgoing to.
I guess it can be.
I shouldn't say it shouldn't,and I'm sure there's some, but

(01:00:31):
for me, I had to make the mindshift of like, well, I'm not a
bodybuilder, I'm not trying tobe a bodybuilder, I want to be
athletic.
I want to be an athlete.
I want to train like an athlete.
I want to train like a tacticalathlete.
I want to be.
I want to be able to like, Idon't want to gas out in jujitsu
and if, like, an emergencysituation goes down and like,
this is the other thing abouttying into a like being obese,

(01:00:55):
like you're fucking liability IfI'm, if you're fat, you're a
liability.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
You remember?
Uh, not to be.
You remember the walking deadI'm.
You know, you want the firstfucking Otis baby?

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Yes, shoot that motherfucker in the leg and run
and it's like that's that's notbeing mean, that's just cold
hard facts.
Yeah Well, it's like, uh, whatwas the other movie?
Um, the zombie movie?
Uh, you mean, come on, give mesome details and I'll pull it
with Woody Harrelson.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Oh, zombie land dude, zombie cardio.
That's a real number one, isn'tit?

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Another one.
Holy shit, poor fat bastards.
We're at the beginning of themovies, running the football
field, the bad guy just getseaten by the zombie.
Oh, dude, liability man, be anasset, not a liability, right?
So this go around on mytraining program.
I, I, I it's crazy because I'm,I'm still doing I do three.
I do three separate circuits,right, and my first circuit it's

(01:01:48):
a five movement circuit, sogoes like trap our deadlifts
right into burpees.
Jesus, I, dude, fucking.
After those two movements, my,I'm like, I'm, my heart rates
probably 90% of my max, but Istill have three more movements
to go.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
This guy's a glutton for punishment.
Yeah, I love that shit.
I fucking love it.
Okay, fucking Goggins.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Fuck off, I'm not as bad as Goggins because, like I'm
like today, I took a day off.
I didn't train today, like Iwoke up.
I, I woke up, I did some, Istretched, did my breathing
exercises, did a little bit ofmy grappling dummy and that was
it.
Because as I get closer to thisnext competition, I'm just
start ramping stuff up Causelike well how people will ask me

(01:02:37):
how I set my stuff up and likewith my, my, my circuit training
.
Like I always put the hard,heavy, compound stuff first.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
That's.
I think that's the right thingto do oh yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
But.
But if you want to, if you wantto mess around with, if you
want to mess around withconditioning, then and maybe
even mimic like wrestling andMMA, then then you know you
could.
You could actually flip, flopthat and do like burpees and
then like the searcher squats,which would be rough, oh my God.
But you know, like and and andand for those searcher squats

(01:03:13):
you like, if you're doing a highrep number of burpees, I would,
I would, my, my set ofsearchers would probably be
heavy.
I'd do like three, three, youknow, because in that way you're
almost mimicking, not justbeing in a, a, a sparring
situation, but that that'smimicking like combat, cause
that's kind of how combat was.

(01:03:33):
Um, you know, one minute youwere just, you know your heart
rate is somewhat elevated andthen boom, snap of the finger,
you like you're off the charts,right, you know, and there's
that adrenaline dump.
So I think you can train yourbody, though, to to handle that,
and I think, like, with thiscircuit style of training, I
think it, uh, I think itprepares my body for those

(01:03:57):
scenarios.
That's why I think, like I cameinto jujitsu, um, even my first
day of class, I didn't, Ididn't really gas out.
I, I just didn't know what thefuck I was doing, yeah, but I
never ran off the mats to throwup.
You know, I was never like oh,I never tapped because I was
like tired, because I had.
I had started training already,I think a year before I'd

(01:04:21):
started this circus styletraining.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Did you do it specifically for jujitsu?
Oh yeah, okay, so that is badass.
I want to say, for those of youI know we've talked about
jujitsu a significant amount, ifyou were going, if you're
considering to train, pleasedon't be that fucking guy who
uses the excuse.
Um, and I really want to get inshape before I start doing that
.
Um, guys, do you know how manyfucking calories we burn in one

(01:04:45):
fucking class Like like this isI mean?
I'm not saying you know, I meannobody wants to be the guy who
comes in the class and throws upLike that's okay, like that
happens though, like that's partof it, like this will help you
get in shape significantly.
Like this you add this in mymotor.
They even do more stuff outsideof class.
Like, don't just sit around andwait and make excuses till you
fucking die.
Don't be that guy.
Just get in there and fuckingtry it.

(01:05:05):
Okay, that's my soap box.
Go ahead.
Sorry, nice.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Yeah, no, I, I, I changed my training because I
knew I wanted to do jujitsu andI knew the way I was training
was just uh, it would haveworked, I guess you know.
But what I was missing was thatconditioning component, and
that's where the circuittraining comes in.
That's why I'm so big oncircuit training.
Now I couldn't imagine goingback to training the other way,

(01:05:31):
like for me, I feel like it'd bea step back.
But um, I would probably.
I'd probably get really big,because you can't train in the
circuit style.
You could probably get big andgain muscle.
I mean, I've gained a bit ofmuscle, but that's not my goal,
you know, and like that's,that's the most important thing.

(01:05:53):
Uh, with training, right, Ithink people start training and
like they've got these verysurface level goals, which is
fine.
They want to look good, and youknow, I want to look good for
the beach and it's like allright, that's good, but that's
not a good reason.
I don't give a fuck what anyonesays, like okay, but do you
want to be like in good shapeyour whole life?

(01:06:15):
I mean, do you want to live fora long time?
Do you want to be around foryour kids for as long as
possible?

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Maybe your grandkids.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
Yeah, like fucking, you know, and it's like, uh, so,
yeah, people, I don't know.
Man, I was just ready, I waspreparing myself for jujitsu and
I just knew that what I wasdoing for myself I didn't feel
like it was enough.
So when I started adding inthese circuits, but I changed
everything for me, Like it tooka couple of weeks to get used to

(01:06:43):
it because, like I was fuckingsore and when you're doing
compound movements and you'reyou're combining with all this
other stuff, like your body hasto adapt to all that, especially
when it's used to just traininglike a power builder, you know,
you just, you know you get yourheart rate up a little bit.
But then you've got like threeminutes to rest Because, like

(01:07:04):
the way I work, okay, so rightnow, this is how my circuit set
up.
So Thursday I do my firstcircuit five movements, two
rounds.
I usually rest.
Now the round of five movementscan take anywhere from seven to
eight minutes to complete,depending on what movements I'm
doing, and I won't rest anymorethan two and a half minutes,

(01:07:25):
like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
So I'll rest two and a half, so your heart rate is
never fully returning tobaseline.
No, not really.
You don't have enough time,dude, no right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
And like, so I get the second.
And then this is the reason whyI so because typically I would
do three, three circuits, eachthree rounds, and then each
circuit would have threemovements, so I'll do nine total
movements.
So after the competition I waslike, oh, I, I need to, I need

(01:07:55):
to increase my muscularendurance.
So I decided to do the firstcircuit.
I was like I'm going to putfive movements, so I start with
a compound movement and then saywith the check, like, what I'll
do then is I'll try to work upor lower, up or lower, unless
it's like burpees or somethingyou know.
Just that way it kind ofbuffers the lactic acid buildup

(01:08:16):
Right, Instead of being liketrap our deadlifts, jump squats,
would.
You can do that too If you'relike.
But that's a very specificreason why you would do
something like trap ourdeadlifts and then like jump
squats, maybe if you weretraining more days a week and
you were isolating said muscles?
Yeah Well, like Michael Chandler, does this a lot Like cause.
I watch his training cause likehis style of training is is

(01:08:40):
kind of similar to mine.
Like he does a lot of circuitstuff, like and he's strong and
he's very good condition and hewill do I forget, I should know
the name but so he'll do like acouple sets of heavy trap bar
deadlifts and immediately go dolike box jumps, you know, to
increase that explosiveness,power up.

(01:09:00):
But I don't, you know, I liketo, I like to alternate.
I will do that sometimes when Ifeel like I need to work on my
explosiveness.
But I'm 41.
So, like this man's like afirecracker.
That's not well.
No, it's not that it's likeJohn Donahue will say like look,
dude, when you get older thefirst thing that goes is

(01:09:21):
explosiveness.
Yeah, and I can't keep up withyou or Cooper, like, in terms of
being explosive, because,especially like Cooper, like
just their job, like job youknow all your young kids like
you're moving, and so for me Ican keep up to a degree, but
it's more about like just Idon't know, being positionally

(01:09:46):
strong, I guess, and andmaintaining the little bit of
explosiveness I do have becauseI'm not bad, I'm not in a bad
spot for my age.
So, no, so it's like, but Ithink this training has really
helped with that.
It's helped cultivate and keepthat going, because, and then
when you think about two days aweek, you know a lot of people

(01:10:08):
will think like that's not,that's not enough.
What's factor in the Jiu Jitsuclasses?
Well, yeah, but I think evenwithout Jiu Jitsu.
So there's this guy named MikeMentor who was a bodybuilder in
the 80s and 90s and like him andArnold like went at it.
Well, mike Mentor was aproponent of this system called

(01:10:28):
the heavy duty and a dudetrained like once a week.
What humongous but dude, thisshit there, like Dorian Yates
was another another bodybuilderwho got into this heavy duty
style of weight training.
So what was that?
One day like it was intense.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Yeah, I mean they were literally like it had to be
for like five or six hours, noway.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
No, no, not even dude , like that's what was crazy
about it was.
It was a very minimalist typeof training.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
How the fuck do you do that?
Besides, you know, you knowpanning.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
I don't I can't go into the specifics because I
never really got into the heavyduty.
Yeah, and I haven't, like,researched enough, but
minimalist style training hasbeen around for a long time
because I think a lot of peopleare over training.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Like I think it takes quite a bit to over train
though Like come on yeah.
I yeah, probably can if you'redoing like, okay, like, let's
take, you know, arnold youmentioned Arnold like he was
doing what?
Like maybe two workouts a day,I think.
So Wake up, eat, workout, takea nap, eat again, go work out,
like.
But, dude, this guy, his fulltime job was lifting.
He ate enough calories to dothat.

(01:11:36):
He had nothing else to do butsleep, workout, eat all day Like
.
Most people aren't going to beable to do that kind of output.
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Fair enough, right, thanks, well, okay, so maybe
it's not the over-training, it'sjust the quality of their
training.
Yeah, where most people they'regoing to the gym and they're
like, okay, I'm gonna do chesttoday, so they do their chest
and then they go to the gym onTuesday I'm gonna do chess.
Yeah, it's chest egg I'm gonnado chest and maybe I'll do legs.

(01:12:06):
Yeah, dude, how many peopleneglect their legs, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
It's so tempting everybody I'm saying if you're a
dude, like most dudes are gonnafucking hate legs.
Most females love like crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
But like it's funny, you say, I got a friend lives up
in Michigan and he said thesame thing.
He's like he would, he would besquatting and he get, he worked
.
He worked in on a set with thisgirl.
They were squatting and shefucking she destroyed him.
Yeah, hold right on.
And he was like and he's like,cuz so many the guys won't even

(01:12:36):
train their legs.
He's like, and and he was withthis girl and she's fucking
destroyed him because she wasjust Squat.
Well, you see, at our gym, Imean, you see there's a lot of
women squatting, like, like goodLike lots of weight and they're
playing into their genetic likestrength.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Yeah, that's how you want to do chest and everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
I love doing legs.
Man Like Especially jiu-jitsu,having strong legs.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
It's so important.
You gotta have a leg up meanfeet like hands.
Man, that's like a little man,yeah like squeeze strength, oh
yeah, and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Where it's?
It's like the whole footlockgame, right, like in the early
days of Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
It's like footlocks werefrowned upon and no one.
It's like, and Dean Lestercomes along, he's like that's
half your fucking body You'reneglecting.
Yeah, like what are you doing?
Like that's insane.
And that's the same thing withtraining your legs.
Like you want to keep yourtestosterone levels high.

(01:13:27):
You want to, like, gain muscle,fucking squat dude.
There's so much testosteroneHamstrings like it's crazy Squat
, and I don't give a fuck whatkind of squat you do, just squat
like I don't back squat anymore.
Why?

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Um, you're obsessed with searchers like a fucking
cycle.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
I don't just do searchers, I do Bulgarian split
squats, I do those are fucking,I like those.
I like those more thansearchers, no kidding.
Yeah, I just do the searchersbecause I think there's this is
a really good element to carryover into jiu-jitsu, just that,
and especially when you getunder hooks, you know, yeah, but
Bulgarian split squats, I likethose because I I've become a

(01:14:06):
real big fan of, like Singlelimb training.
I love doing metric.
Well, no, like I like doingLike one-arm dumbbell presses.
Yeah, you know, I like I've.
I Think doing stuff like thathas has helped my strength more
than using a barbell or orsomething that keeps both arms

(01:14:27):
fixed, where, when I could traineach leg individually and each
arm individually, I feel likeI've gotten the best results
because I can work in betterranges of motion and you, you
effectively negate theimbalances that are created when
you train with a barbell.
Yep, because I had massiveimbalances from my right and

(01:14:49):
left side when I started doingsingle leg.
A lot of the Bulgarian Um splitsquats and pistol squats,
lunges Maybe, yeah, lungesabsolutely.
And and even um split squatsyeah, you know, the knees over
toes guy, the split squats likeit was.
It was, it was rough there fora little while because you know
I was so uneven, but now I so inthis, in this current cycle,

(01:15:16):
I'm doing incline one-armdumbbell presses and I'm hitting
15 20 reps and I'm both sidesand like even that there's a bit
of an imbalance because my leftside struggles a little bit, I
think everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
You know, no one's gonna be perfectly symmetrical,
there's no way.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
Wait, let me okay.
So I'm gonna go back to whathow I have my workout set up.
So that first circuit I'm doingfive movements, take a two and
a half minute rest, run throughit again and then I'll take
about a two minute 45 secondrest to get my next circuit set
up.
So this time my second circuit,it's only two movements but I'm

(01:15:54):
doing four rounds, geez okay.
So, like my Thursday workout,it's I, it's a sandbag suplex
ladder, so I go All my differentweighted sandbags, I'll work
through that with the 200.
Yeah, holy fuck, I will this, Iwill tomorrow.
Okay, like so, because my firsttwo weeks and my, my training

(01:16:15):
are usually like to getacclimated.
Like I'll probably go fourweeks, take a D load and then
I'll have two or three weeksbefore the competition.
It's a month away, exactly amonth.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
Yeah, so I'll.
So I'll do two more week.
I don't know, maybe I'll justtrain straight through, because
usually I like to like, usuallyI like to do four weeks, and
then I wouldn't go the Thursdayoff, though, obviously, right,
no, no, no, no, that week I'lldo, I won't probably train at
all, I'll just do jitsu, likethat's what I did last time.
But man, I felt it the firstday back to training.

(01:16:50):
Man, I was like it's crazy howfast things went downhill.
Yeah, I was sore shit.
So, yeah, so that secondcircuit's a four, four rounds,
and it's the same rest, bro.
Actually I do less rest, I dotwo minutes because Because
those the two movements usuallyonly take me like two or three
minutes.
So I'll just, I'll rest formaybe two minutes and then the

(01:17:12):
the third circuit again fivemovements, same protocol, boom,
hit them.
Two and a half minute rest andthen I'm done.
I'm usually done within an hourand a half hour, 45, like.
But that's not like astand-around talking to your
friends playing on your phone.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
Yeah, that's, that's like I.
I went for it.
Like I wake up, I seteverything up.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
So you know because that's the downside to circuit
training, especially for peoplethat train in a gym Is like a
shitty gym, like planet fitness.
They don't even let you circuittrain.
You can't bounce through,you're not even allowed.
Yeah, like literally, it's intheir rules.
You cannot circuit train.
It's misleading to like peoplelike, let's say, you're using
four different objects in thegym.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
And you got a full gym.
You know, if you leave that forlong enough, someone's gonna be
like, okay, I guess I can usethis, you know, and that I can
see where they're coming from.
You know, if you're occupyinglike four different stages, like
that's for smaller gyms, that'sa big fucking portion of things
.
Man, I don't give a fuck whatMSNBC says.
I'm glad I don't go to a gymanymore.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
I love training at home.
Man, I can't fucking get intoit.
I have such trouble, I havesuch drive-thru training.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
I struggle, I can run at home.
Yeah, I can do little stuff.
But man, dude, like I love it,my homework out there, dog shit,
god, I love it.
Well, he's just do you have,maybe just need the right
equipment.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
I know I have like dumbbells.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
And a couple resistance pants.
That's all I got.
I've invested a lot in mine,yeah, but it's taken years.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
also like I haven't trained in a gym.
Let's see the last time Iactually worked out in a gym
would have been, uh 20.
Let's see, probablyThanksgiving of 2019.
I actually worked out in a gym.
Is it hungry or is it 19?

(01:18:50):
75?

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Well, and even, and then, before that it was.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
Probably a decade, yeah, like because I was living
out in the country, dude, and soI just had all my shit with me.
I'm so used to like I used todrive 35 minutes to go to the
gym from where.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
I live before Jeff and Howard.
Did you do too?
Yeah, I know, I love it.
You're fucking crazy dude.
Oh, dude, it's worth it.
You have a lot of time.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
But it doesn't even matter, because.
The closest any jiu-jitsuschool is in the world.
The closest any jiu-jitsuschool is is an hour fucking way
.
There's one, a popular bluffnow, but it's like, uh, it's a
traditional Gracie, gracie Bajaor Gracie, what one is it?
No other Gracie like, not theGracie Baja, whatever the other.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
I should like the like, the newer one, like in
Jonesboro, like it, like I thinkthat's technically a Cerberus
Federation, no, morgan family.
Hmm, have you seen that one?
That's very new?
No, I've seen stuff postedabout it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
But this one in pop of bluff is a Gracie affiliate,
ib JJ F affiliate.
So it's like very traditional,very uh, fuck some shit up, just
go right.
You know you have to wear awhite gi.
It's one of those schools whereit's like you have, you know,
and they don't really do a lotof no gi work.
So, yeah, I, um, I feel likeit'd be a case where like, uh,

(01:20:13):
like Cooper was talking about hewent to that that one gem and
it was like they're like dude,you're, you're, what are you
doing?
You're savage, like you'regoing too hard.
Man and Cooper's like this ishow we do it all the time.
Man, like that guy coming in,like I thought we'd be light
sparring, like bro, we are lightsparring.
Like uh, oh, this is lightsparring dude.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
Like uh, if this is like how many sports can you go
100% almost and keep yourpartner safe, like, why not
utilize that intensity?
Yeah, yeah, I have days whereI'm like you know what?
I'm just gonna match energy toanyone I go with, I'm just gonna
.
I have to put myself on cruisecontrol some days.
Man, I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
Yeah, I actually know it's funny Um, I've had, when
I've I tell I had I talked toTommy about this when I first
started jujitsu Um, I wascarefree, so like I would go in
and just roll with anybody.
Where, like it's weird, it'slike the more I've learned, the
more I realized that I have tolike I have to be kind of

(01:21:16):
selective with who I roll with,because I can't always Smack
like I can't always go all out,like I just can't, if I want to
sustain this for a long time.
It's like, yeah, I'd love to beable to always like go against
all the biggest guys and the youknow.
But it's like, hey, there comesa point where it's just becomes
detrimental, where it's likeI'm not learning Anything, I'm

(01:21:40):
just you, just like.
I'm just not, I'm justsurviving or something you know.
And again, I'm in good shape,I'm strong.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
But it's like that doesn't matter because there's
still the wear and tear you likewhen you roll with lower belt,
like is if you're not justtrying to just crush them and
submit them Whenever.
Like you can learn, you canwork a lot of your technique and
they can learn a lot from you.
Like it's very, it's beneficial.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Like and I love, I love hard rolling, I love hutch
barring.
It's just I've gotten moremindful of like who I roll with
now, because there's days I goin there I'm just like, I just
want to, I just I want to workon certain things like I don't
want to just Fucking go crazyback.
Yeah, it always works that wayand and it's universal Because

(01:22:22):
it's almost like a joke whereyou're like, all right, dude, um
, this is gonna be a light roll.
Yeah, we'll fucking see about.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
That wasn't a lighter all but 30 seconds in like
seconds in you like all right,well, I'll fuck it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
I guess we'll see you fuck.
Huh, yeah, we'll just keepgoing.
Um yeah, so I don't know.
My my style of trainingdefinitely Changed for jiu-jitsu
and, like these circuits havebeen very, very helpful, not
just for jiu-jitsu but I thinkfor my overall health.
Right, this circuit styletraining has been really good
for my heart.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
You know a lot of people don't talk about that
like you.
A lot of people with theresting with like really high
blood pressure, that's a bighypertension?
Yes, a lot of people even attacka cardiac.
Their heart rate Saves over ahundred, like, even like in
normal times.
And, guys, if yousystematically push your heart
and workouts and youIntentionally elevated it via
exercise whenever you areresting, over time it will be

(01:23:15):
lower, like we're some of thebest athletes in the world do.
They are considered bradycardiac, which is less than 60,
what we'll go ahead, 48.
That's fucking nuts.
This is exactly what I'mtalking about.
Because you push yourself, yep,your heart is not working as
hard.
Guys.
Hearts Literally wear out.
What do you guys thinkcongestive heart failure is like
?
It's literally.
If you are constantly fuckingbeating heart, even at resting,
because you don't take care ofyourself, like it's gonna wear

(01:23:36):
out faster.
It's not gonna work as goodLike.
This is a muscle man, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
This is exactly muscle, that's perfect like that
kind of thing.
Yes, okay.
So it's funny you say that come, glad we.
I'm glad you hit on thatbecause, um, there's people who
work physical jobs.
Yes, and A lot of times they'rethey're like they will talk
shit about people that work outlike, oh well, I fucking, I work
construction and I'm like I'mcarrying this and this and it's

(01:24:03):
like oh yeah, is your heart rategetting over 70% of your max?
No, it's not.
So guess what?
You're still gonna have thesame fucking problems.
I don't give a fuck howphysical your job is, your heart
rate is still, it's not reachmight go up for 30 fucking
seconds, If not even yeah like,not even, dude, you still need.

(01:24:23):
If I had that mindset, all right, I would have been in fucking
Afghanistan, I would have wenton patrols and I'll be like I
went on a patrol, I was a patrolfor 14 hours and I got into a
firefight and, uh, that's all Ineed to do.
Nope, I went back to the patrolbase, did my after-action and I
got my fucking ass in the gymand I got my heart rate up.
Jesus Christ, yeah, well,that's just the way it is.

(01:24:45):
Like no matter what I had goingon in life, I worked for scots
lawn service when, right beforeI joined the military.
Now, people don't know, workingfor scots lawn service sucks,
it's lawn fertilization.
So every morning I'd have toload my, my van up with like 60
bags of 50 pound bags offertilizer like 60 of them, holy

(01:25:06):
shit and then liquid for andlike all day I'm hoisting these
50 pound bags of fertilizer andputting them in a hopper and and
and you know, doing this onpeople's lawns.
But I still, at the end of theday, went to the fucking gym and
trained because, no matter what, my heart rate wasn't getting
elevated.
Let me sure I was lifting heavystuff that's going to help with

(01:25:29):
, maybe your static strengthlike Gabe is a great example.
Yes, bro, he's a farmer andgrappling with him is like
grappling with steel, yep, buthe's in good shape because he
also trains in the gym, likeafter jiu-jitsu.
He's like a fucking Only guy.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
He's the only guy.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
I know who actually will lift after jiu-jitsu what
you do too, I guess, sometimeson Tuesdays.
Yeah, yeah, like, and like he'sover there just doing, like
he's trying to get like 100pull-up, like so strong I
fucking love gay, but yeah, andso he never makes that excuse of
like, oh, I'm a farmer, so Idon't have to do extra.
No, he's like I want to do, Ineed to do extra work because,

(01:26:08):
like, yeah, he's doing hardstuff for farming, but again,
it's not getting that heart rateelevated right, which is that's
the key.
I don't give a fuck.
If you work a physical job,that's cool, but chances are
your heart rate's probably notgetting to that threshold where
you're going to receive any kindof benefit.
And have you noticed, likeconstruction workers, a lot of

(01:26:28):
them are fucking fat.
Yeah, this is.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
This is almost like too much for me not to share.
So my dad has wrote he's workedRoad construction most of his
life and he also farms.
Okay, and I remember when Istarted getting into weights
because my, my old basketballcoach, jeremy kud fucking Great
guy, yeah, this guy, he reallygot me in the weight training I
and I remember when I firststarted I was wanting to go to
the gym all the time, you know,and take the car and be like my

(01:26:53):
dad.
I want to go lift, you know.
And dude, this guy fuckingroasted me for this shit like he
.
He really did.
He was like you know, why don'tyou go split some wood?
That'd be just as good.
You know why don't you go dothis?
And you know, over time, like Istarted off pretty scrawny my
junior, senior year, I startedputting on muscle and then,
maybe like a couple, maybe two,three years after I started
lifting man, my numbers startedgoing up, my body started

(01:27:13):
changing even more.
I started putting on mass.
Finally, not too long beforecove it, I did a deadlift
competition for, uh, st Jude'sthey had like a benefit wanted
artens on muscle.
Nice and dude, I go and he comesto watch me, him, mom, and Uh,
they, they all come and theywatch me do this shit.
And I remember me, my buddyasked and we, we'd both signed
up, we were both hyped up, forI'd trained for this shit for a

(01:27:34):
long time and it was juststraight bar deadlift.
You could do straps, you coulddo rolling, so there wasn't like
a whole lot.
You know, like the outlawed,you know I had a belt on and uh,
I, we worked up from.
We, I started like four or five.
I went to like maybe like foursomething, and then I did 500, I
went to 500 once before, so Idid five me, my buddy, actually
both hit 500 and then the nextset you know we had.

(01:27:55):
You had four sets that you couldtry to do.
You know one rep and they'relike dude, like go for more like
that.
500 looked fucking pretty easy.
So they put on 525 and Ifucking deadlift 525 and like
pretty much like nice class like, and that was like impressive.
That was my peak, peak strengthprobably, and I remember my dad
after that totally looked at it.

(01:28:15):
Different things like I.
That shit works Like I don'tthink I can fucking do that.
Like yes, he's mentioned asense and I'm like I'm like dude
.
I told you like this makes adifference, like dude, splitting
wood is good for you like it isphysical labor.
It's good, absolutely yes, butweight training is a different
beast.
Like it's not the same, it'snot.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
Well, it's not enough like and like.
There's so many people willjust like oh, I'm cutting wood
and it's like Well, I do too.
Yes, and you know what I alsowork out.
Yeah, and guess what?
I'm in better shape than youare.
Like, that's a fact, becauseI'm getting my heart rate
elevated when I'm splitting wood.
My heart rate's not that's notelevated.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
I can make.
If you're fucking shitty at it,you're having to swing over and
over right, you get a bunch ofknots like right, but I've split
wood so much that it's just,it's automatic.

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
Yeah, it's.
It's like when your bodybecomes efficient at something,
it doesn't work as hard.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Yeah, I've noticed that you did too.
I'm not.
I don't.
Yeah, I don't cut as muchweight with it anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
I don't think I've noticed any kind of plateau like
that.
Would you do I?
Well, maybe I have, because Ifelt like in the beginning there
I saw a lot more changes in mybody and like maybe now they're
just, you know, maybe I'm justnot seeing them, but I think
other people see the change,like other people see the

(01:29:34):
changes in you before we everwill.
But yeah, you, just, youtotally change.
But that's just.
I wanted to.
I wanted to like bring that upbecause I think a lot of people
out there they get this weirdMisconception that because they
have a physical job, thatthey're somehow benefiting from
it and it's like when you're not, you are but you're not in the
way you think you are.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
Yes, you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
You're definitely benefiting because you're
burning calories, but a lot ofthose same people are also
drinking beer, shitty food, yeah, and then they go home and they
don't do anything Right andthey smoke.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
I worked all damn day .
Woman, I don't want to do thedish.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
Yeah, we're like.
I know plenty of people whowork physical jobs and they
train at the gym and you knowwhat?
Those people are fucking inincredible shape.
Yep, because not only are theygetting the benefit of that
physical Job that they work,they're they're they're getting
the benefit of getting theirheart rate elevated and working
on specific things for theirbody, not just Like.

(01:30:33):
I connected with this guy inInstagram a while back and he's
a he's an iron worker and sohe's putting up trust, like he's
putting up steel and fuckingwelding eye beams and shit, and
you know what fucking works outevery day, I guarantee, trains,
his huge.
Well, he was in his 50s and hewas lean and an incredible shape
.
Jiu-jitsu guy does kettlebells.

(01:30:54):
He's um, I want to say he liveddown in Miami, because he's
down on the beach, like to havea big beach set up, dude, that's
so cool.
He's just dude.
He was always working and and Ilike I appreciated what he
always said about it because,like he had, he was saying the
same thing.
He's like, yeah, I work aphysical job, but I also train
because there's that benefit.
You know, you got to get thatspecific target heart rate or

(01:31:19):
you.
You know you're not, you're notand and you just yeah.
Again, going back to what wesaid earlier, it's a fucking
lifestyle.
Look, if anybody made it thisfar in the podcast like, follow
it or in.
It's all right, like it happens,that's okay.
Um, the biggest thing when itcomes to health, when it comes

(01:31:39):
to not just like physical butmental health, is it's a
lifestyle choice.
You choose to live thislifestyle or you choose not to,
and I've been criticized foroversimplifying things, but I
think that's a pretty simplechoice, right?
Of course, most people don'tmake that choice because, um,

(01:32:03):
you know, we talk about genetics, right?
Mm-hmm, so, genetically on myfamily, um, and I don't know if
this can be genetic, maybe it'sjust a trauma thing, but, like,
alcohol and addiction are a bigthing in my family on both sides
.
Um, obesity, not so much, butjust bad, those addictive kind
of behaviors are our problems.
Like alcohol, was you know itkilled?

(01:32:25):
Like my grandpa and my greatgrandpa, my cirrhosis or what?
Yeah, yeah and um, so I don'tdrink.
I chose, that was a choice.
Now, I was going down a darkpath, especially after I got
back from Afghanistan.
I went to rehab, but, uh, yeah,I don't, I don't drink, like so

(01:32:47):
and doesn't benefit I mean Ienjoy I enjoyed.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
I enjoyed a drink on like.

Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
Then be once, maybe twice a week like I don't do
that anymore, because here's thething, and that's when I hear
people like who are overweight,they're like it's genetic, my
family it's like well.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
Obesee doesn't run.
In your family no one runs.

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
No like, because I could use that same expect and
be an alcoholic because it'sgenetic, but like, no, no, no,
it's a fucking choice, man.
Yeah, I chose not to drink.
I chose not to.
I Mean, it's that simple.
I don't like and so, yeah, I'vebeen.
I've been accused ofover-simplifying things, but I
think people overcomplicatethings.
There's no to give themselvesexcuses for you.

(01:33:32):
I said that it's funny.
That's exact that.
That's exactly why I thinkpeople overcomplicate things,
because every time someoneovercomplicates something, they
get more excuses.
It gives them more excuses.
It gives them more outs.
It gives them more room tonegotiate their way out of doing
this shit they fucking need tobe doing.

(01:33:52):
And If there's one thing aperson should be doing right now
in their life, it's taking careof their bodies.
Taking care of their bodies,their heart, their mind, because
, yeah, granted, there's gonnabe exceptions.
There's people that train andthey're still shitty.
People that, yeah, whateverthat happens.
And there's people that don'ttrain, who live to be a hundred,
you know.
There's people, oh, dude, youknow, have shitty diets and they

(01:34:14):
smoke and they drink and theylike live to be a hundred years
old.
They fucking happen, yeah, andthose are what we call
exceptions to the rule.
It doesn't mean that you can doit, and that's the weird excuse
people make for like smoking,oh my great-grandma.
Oh, it's always someone else.
Like oh well, my, my granddadlived to be a hundred, and it's
like and they smoke crystal methevery day.

(01:34:40):
Maybe, maybe, yeah, at least inSan Francisco or LA, maybe, fuck
, yeah, dude, some fuckingGrandpa living on the street.
I smoke crack every day.
I'm a hundred a.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
Crack rock a day keeps doctor.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
Oh, holy shit, probably not.
But so, yeah, man.
So health and fitness, I think,are the cornerstone of it's,
like the base of everything.
And again, okay, you don't haveto work out, you don't have to
take care of yourself, but Ithink you're missing out.

(01:35:16):
You know, I think people thatchoose to I Neglect their health
, I mean, look, that's on them,that's yeah, that's fine.
But here's the thing, man,that's just gonna come back and
bite you in the ass.
Like I said when I was younger,people would criticize me
because I was Well, they thoughtI was obsessive about my health

(01:35:38):
and fitness.
And look at me, I'm 41 now anda lot of those same people.
They're not very good, they'renot good, they're not in good
shape, right like they'restruggling.
And I'm 41 and I Feel like Ican, I'm gonna, I'm gonna keep
going, I'm not gonna stopbecause you're here smoking some
young ins, man.
Yeah, because, and I thinkthat's the value of taking care

(01:36:00):
of yourself, and there's nevertoo late to start.
That's why I tell people like,that's why my mom 65 and she's
finally Seems to have found thatbalance with Living that
healthy lifestyle right, makingthe right choices, because she
decided to make it about herlifestyle right instead of just.
I'm gonna get on this diet andlose a bunch of weight and

(01:36:21):
hopefully it stays off, andthat's almost a sure.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
Fireway to fail, you know and that brings me back
there's you mentioned that acouple times now that I've been
want to touch on this people whofollow these Extremely
stringent Like, if you don'tgive yourself any sort of of
break, like you don't like okay.
Okay, let's say you like rebies, right, rebies obviously are

(01:36:50):
not the most lean steak, butthey're fatty.
Okay, let's say you eat chickenand rice For like two meals out
of the day, every fucking day.
Dude, if you do that toyourself for a month, you're
gonna hate your fucking life.
If you don't ever give yourselfa ribeye or just something, any
sort of shit.
I'm not saying cheat meal allthe fucking time, but let's say,
like an ice cream cone, forfuck's sake.
Yeah, if you don't giveyourself any sort of break, have
any flexibility you will quityour diet, yeah, and you will go

(01:37:13):
right back to eating dog shitall the time.
I keep have to have some sortof allowance, like.
I think that makes it so hardto follow when you're that
stringent on everything.

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
Well, it's like a lot of these diets aren't even
meant to be.
They're not, they're notsustainable, right?
They're like.
They're like they might be goodin the short term, yeah, but
see, nobody thinks about that.
Like people are, so they, theywant that instant gratification
of being, like I lost weight andthey don't plant.

(01:37:41):
That's why it's you got to makeit a lifestyle choice, right?
But I agree with you hundredpercent.
It's it's these extreme dietslike when they deprive
themselves and of course they'regonna fail, like of course
you're gonna fail.
No one can keep up with that not, that's nobody can.
Even elite athletes willprobably Um cycle there the way

(01:38:03):
they eat as well.
Right, and actually a lot ofathletes probably eat.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
Like poorly.
You know well you talk about myloose match earlier.
Yes, and you know you've talkedabout how this guy literally
eats like a fuck ton of pastaand pizza and pasta One meal at
the end of the day like that'scrazy.
Yes, but also how many hours aday is he?

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
Yeah, he's training.
He probably trains 12 or 13hours a day.

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
I think someone said that yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:36):
So it's like again there's I Mean people won't do
this, but the only way anyone'sgonna ever nail down like the
perfect diet is they got toexperiment, they got to try it.
Like you got to try differentthings.
Like I've been for as long asI've been training like I, I've
never been afraid to trydifferent things, try new things

(01:38:58):
.
Like you know differentapproaches to working out,
different styles of training andand that's the other thing, a
lot of people just get lockedinto Training a certain way and
because they become comfortablewith it and they become used to
it.
So it's the easy way.
Yeah, so even in like fitnessand health, there's there people

(01:39:18):
can get complacent with, withtheir health of fitness, like,
and then you see a lot of peoplethey go to the gym and they are
walking on the treadmill andthat's all they do and they're
real low intensity and they'rewondering why they're not losing
weight and it's like well,that's because you're going to
the gym and You're walking onthe treadmill for 30 minutes but
your heart rate never elevates.

(01:39:39):
Yeah, I mean fucking 90, buttops, yeah.
So it's like, of course, yourbody, you're not.
You have to force your body toadapt, you have to make it.
In the only way you're gonnamake your body adapt, the only
way you're gonna make your bodyget stronger, the only way
you're gonna make yourcardiovascular system better is
by making it, by forcing it, andthe only way you can force it

(01:40:00):
is by Leaving your threshold ofcomfort.
So you're, that's so hard forpeople, I know, but that's what
you have to do.
Yep, and you know, it's crazythat people don't want to sweat,
like that's the thing I bet youwould.
You just, I don't want to getbuddy at the gym, right, I'm
like Like people, it's funnybecause I actually feel kind of

(01:40:23):
back, dude, I sweat so much.
But I heard so today I heardjockeau and Dean Lister talking
about it's actually calledChinese water torture, like in
jiu-jitsu, where that's thething you just you get mounted
something, just trip sweat ontheir face on purpose.
You just buddy rash guard, justsmear it.
Well, so they happen to be inmy last match in In my

(01:40:44):
competition, I got on top of theguy and, dude, my sweat was
dripping on his face.
I was like, yeah, motherfucker,take that shit in his eyes.
I'm like that's a greatstrategy.
Holy shit, I'm gonna, just I'mgonna fucking you know what.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
HIV.
Somebody up, that's fucked upman.

Speaker 1 (01:41:04):
No, I'm just, you know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna get
mount on someone, I'm just gonnasweat in their face.

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
How bad do you want to win the long game?
Yeah, you know I'm saying likegive them HIV, You're you may
lose the match.
You're gonna fuck them up.

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
Might be illegal, thinking you're a jail for that.
But yeah, I learned.
I actually learned that likelike sweating people's faces,
like actually a tactic.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
Just cross man, just crushing me a master nose bone
in your fucking sternum.
I'm all about that, dude, andyou know I.
One more thing I really do wantto mention, because I think a
lot of people we talked aboutdiets, we talked about, like,
maybe, some do's and don'ts, anda lot of people are still like,
okay, well, what the fuck do Ido?
And one of my favorite fitnessauthors is probably Michael
Matthews.
I fucking love his books and hebreaks it down really simple.

(01:41:49):
And you talked aboutoversimplifying shit and this is
literally it.
Okay, so everyone Burns acertain amount of calories per
day.
And this is, this is science.
Okay, this isn't like fuckinghocus pocus, shit.
Right, so everyone burns acertain amount of calories a day
.
Even if they were a vegetablewho couldn't move, they would
burn a basic metabolic.

Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
Sure, like a brain.
Yes, you're brain like 20%,exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
So, like, literally, if you didn't move all day, you
would burn x amount of caloriesand a whole bunch of different
factors going to this.
We're talking like age, weight,gender, everything plays a fact
in this.
Okay, it's not completely,completely accurate, but it's
close at the ballpark, okay.
And then if you take intoaccount, let's say, how much you
do a day, like if Matt and I,if we train that day, we're
gonna burn Probably a lot morecalories today because we're

(01:42:28):
doing a lot of movement, youknow.
Or if you sit on the couch allday, you're not gonna burn that
much more.
Literally, weight loss is Eatingless calories than you burn.
That is pretty much along.
In short of it, like, you cansit here and over, complicate it
with a bunch of fucking faddiets and a bunch of other shit,
but, like guys, if you'reeating 3000 calories a day and

(01:42:50):
you only burn 2500, you're gonnagain weight.
Mm-hmm.
If you flip those, you're gonna, slowly but surely, you're
gonna lose weight.
And if you continue to have agood diet and Consistently come
in underneath that caloriethreshold, you are going to lose
weight.
Like it's Literally that simple.
Like I know it's in thatcounting calories is not easy.

(01:43:11):
Yeah, you know, and like howmuch energy you burn a day,
that's not gonna be accurate.
Like a treadmill is not gonnabe completely accurate Telling
you how many calories you burnedon your run there's no fucking
way for it to completelycalculate that right.
But if you undershoot that, youwill lose weight.
And, like I, for those outthere who are looking for some
fitness advice, obviously yourstyle of working out has to fit

(01:43:32):
you.
Yes, I had to find a diet thatfits you.
Yes, but if you want to loseweight like you're gonna have to
do that like you're gonna, andit's hard.
My movesimetry might do it, butit's hard to outwork a bad diet
.
Yeah, like you, you can eatshit, sure, and you might go and
run three miles, but yeah,running three miles is not the
same like that one part as manycalories as a fucking big mac
meal, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:43:51):
Well, especially as you get older, it becomes even
more imperative that you watchwhat you eat.
Let's like, let's end this withsure, some things.
Let's uh, let's go over thingspeople can do.
Like so, because a lot of timesyou'll get people like I've got
this going on.
I've got this going on.
So, one of the first things, ifsomeone wants to start taking

(01:44:15):
better care themselves, rightyou, it's got to be about time
management, right?
Oh, I don't have enough timeand that's everybody.
Shit, that's bullshit.
Because, again, it starts witha choice.
You got it.
You got to decide that this iswhat you want to do.
You got to decide that you wantto be healthy, got to decide
that you want to be strong, andthese are decisions you have to

(01:44:37):
make.
So that's the first step, andyou don't have to jump into a
crazy workout program.
You don't have to jump out to acrazy diet.

Speaker 2 (01:44:46):
If you go into that deep and fast, you're probably
gonna fuck.
Yes, I'm gonna fail.

Speaker 1 (01:44:50):
You're gonna fail because and that's what a lot of
people do they're like they'llfind some workout program.
I'm fucking you to where socialmedia like I'm gonna do this,
and they do it once and likefuck that.
Yeah, they can't.
They can really walk the next.
Yeah, and it's like I tellpeople To keep it simple.
Okay, all right.
So if you have never beenactive, start by walking.

(01:45:13):
Okay, daily walks, did it'slegit man?
Yes, daily walks.

Speaker 2 (01:45:17):
Okay, nature actually boost your mental health,
absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
You get outside, you get some sun, you get in that
vitamin D and then, once youstart, maybe you're getting a
little more active that way.
Body weight movements I cannotstress how important it is to do
push-ups, body weight squats.
If you can't do push-ups, doingfrom your knees, doing from
your knees, absolutely Pull ups.
You know, if you can't do pullups, there's there's machines,

(01:45:41):
they know there's a systemmachines.

Speaker 2 (01:45:42):
You can use bands and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:45):
Because before, like and no one does this but
honestly, before even startweight training, you should, you
should have a very firm graspwith how your body moves with
its own weight.
Right, and it's crazy how manystrong people can barely do
pull-ups or handstand push-upsor anything like body
weight-wise.
Like it's crazy because mostpeople just dive into like I'm

(01:46:09):
gonna start weight training andyet they don't even know what
they can do with their own body,mm-hmm.
So I would say, keep it verysimple in the beginning.
Right planning is gonna be key.
Meal planning, like taking oneday out of the week and using
that day to Like see what youhave.
You know a lot of people willuse Sunday, right, because

(01:46:31):
traditionally Sundays like theday before the work week.
Yeah, so a lot of people willtake that Sunday.
They'll prep their meals,they'll look at their work
schedule, like okay, up, thisMonday is gonna be really busy,
but I've got 40 minutes when Ican.

Speaker 2 (01:46:46):
I can go to the park and walk and do some push-ups
and you might have to cut offsome Netflix time, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:46:50):
Yeah and then that isn't that fucking crazy that
people will bulk it.
Having to cut into theirsedentary fucking mind-numbing
bullshit programming becausethey Rather than take care of
their health like that blows mymind I mean dude, you can.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
You.
If you guys play your cardsright, you can do a little bit
of both.
Yes, you don't have tosacrifice entertainment.
And how about this?

Speaker 1 (01:47:15):
you can get your treadmill and set it in front of
your fucking TV.
Absolutely there's no reasonwhy you can't do all this stuff.
There's I know plenty of peoplethat have like an exercise bike
in their living room andthey'll get on that and they get
a great workout and they'rewatching something.
You know they're still there,they're still present and it's
like again, it's people overcomplicated.
Because they see, because Ithink people in the fitness

(01:47:37):
industry over a complicatethings intentionally,
intentionally, because Bullshitprograms, their workout programs
, which lists most people.
Most workout programs.
They're just rehashes ofsomeone else's workout program.
Just remember that if you'rebuying a workout program from
someone, they definitely got itfrom someone else and they're

(01:47:57):
not gonna do it for you.
Yeah, you have to do yourself.
Yeah, so keep it simple, right.
Plan.
Plan your week out so you canfit in Whatever training you
want to do.
You want to.
You know, make those goodchoices with your food and
Duration.

Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
Fucking drink water.
Don't drink empty fucking carbdrinks guys.
No, no, some people do.
This guy I mean dude, I know sodoes good.
Sweet tea is good.
It's all delicious, sure, butthink about how many calories
that's taking up.
If you are putting yourself ona 2000 calorie diet, you drink a
coke it's 230 calories you justkilled.
Do the math for me an eighthyeah of your calorie intake.
You're not you're not even acop, you're still fucking hungry

(01:48:40):
, do one can of coke, it's like60 grams of sugar.

Speaker 1 (01:48:44):
That's fucking awful.
Okay, and so, finally, thetruth is coming out about sugar
and like sugar is actually thebiggest cause of Like vascular
diseases and and obesity.
It's not fat, it's sugar, it'stoo much sugar, and so that's.
Another great Place to start islimiting the amount of sugar

(01:49:05):
you take in.
Yeah, and it's crazy at howmany people will struggle with
that, cuz sugar is a fuckingdrug.
It's a drug.
Yeah, it's addictive.
There's a reason why there'sfat people everywhere because
they can't stop eating food.
Mm-hmm, and I will.
It's funny that now people aresaying obesity is like genetic.
When you could look in the 1960sand like, how many obese people

(01:49:25):
were there?
Holy shit, they weren't a lot.
They were a lot.
Look back in the 1940s how manywere there?
How many were there during theGreat Depression?
Obviously, probably none.
Yeah, man, they didn't haveaccess to the food.
So keep it simple Take a day,you know, spent like you know.
Take a day and use that to prepyour meals, get your workouts

(01:49:45):
in order.
If you need to hire a trainerman, like if you have absolutely
no idea how to navigate a gym,like, it's not a bad idea to
maybe get a personal trainer formaybe find a yeah, find a
friend.

Speaker 2 (01:49:57):
It's not an idiot.

Speaker 1 (01:49:57):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely a friend.
You trust you trains man.
Be like hey, um, can I comewith you?
Or, you know, explain to mewhat's going on and and and I
bet you any money.
That friend would be so happy.
Me good friend would do that.
Yes, they'd be so happy thatyou're finally taking care of
yourself.
Absolutely, man.
So, yeah, like, look for atrainer or a good friend, maybe
to show you two ropes.
There's man.

(01:50:20):
Look, there's so muchinformation out there right now
and that's good and it's alsobad.
So I'm gonna keep repeating mymessage of keeping it simple.
Um, start with, if you've never, ever done anything in your
life, start by just getting upand moving.
You know, walking, doing somebody weight stuff in your house,

(01:50:41):
and then start chaining onother things that you can add on
to that.
You know, keep your I don'tkeep your diet simple.
I mean, and like and like heresaid it's when it comes to
calories, like calories andcalories out.
You know, if you're consuming3000 calories and you're only

(01:51:01):
burning 2500, you're you'regonna gain weight.
But if you're eating 2500calories right, and let's say I
Don't know you burn like 700 ina workout and you're keeping
that same caloric intake, you'regonna lose weight.
Yep, I mean, that's just.
That's the nature of the beast,fucking math.

(01:51:24):
They're simple.
Guess what?
You can even eat a little bitof ice cream here and there.
Holy shit, a little bit pizzaevery night, like like my mom,
she's intermittent fasting andso every now and then she'll
have one of those drumsticks,those chocolate, oh yeah, yeah,
those things.
And she's like, and she's stilllosing weight.
Yeah, and she's not.
She's not starving herself,she's just she eats good through
the day and she just knows, ateight o'clock she's not, that's

(01:51:47):
it.
She can't have anything.
So she'll have, like, herdrumstick, and then that's it.
Yeah, and then they'll get upthe next day, they go for their
walk and I think she's lost likeLike 20 something pounds, good
for you know, and it's gonnakeep coming off.
And and, like I said, she sheused to take one of those those
like weight loss Injectablethings and she's still getting

(01:52:09):
the weight back because shestopped using it.
Yeah, and that, listen people,if you get on Osempic, you're
gonna have to be on that yourwhole life.
But that's not something youjust stop, because if you're not
gonna change your fuckinglifestyle, guess what you're
gonna gain that weight back themany you stop taking that drug.
I don't think Anyone should betaking a weight loss drug that

(01:52:29):
you need.
It needs to be a holisticapproach like at.
If there's anything you takeaway from this podcast, it's got
to be lifestyle choice takingof our.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
I mean yes, please better, I plan it like honestly
all the crazy shit We've.

Speaker 1 (01:52:43):
We've said this whole podcast at the end of the day.

Speaker 2 (01:52:47):
It's a choice.
Yep, and and guys I this maysound crazy to some, but for
those of you who are strugglingwith mental health, which I know
you've covered a lot in yourpart yeah, that's like literally
a.
A good workout Can have thesame anti-depressant effect as a
fucking SSR.
Absolutely like guys Will makeyou feel better about yourself.

(01:53:07):
It'll make you feel betterabout your life, like it will
make pretty much everythingbetter if you consistently
exercise.
And I fucking mean that.
I've been in a dark place andexercise has helped me kind of
crawl out of that.
So, guys, fucking get out thereand just do it.
I know it's hard and you knowyou get home from work you don't
want to fucking get off thecouch and go do something, but

(01:53:28):
I'm telling you your life willbe better.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
Yeah, absolutely.
And for me, like as I get older, I'm finally in a spot now
where I can say I've lived myentire life almost of health and
fitness and it's really paidoff.
I mean, sure I'm sore?
Yeah, of course sometimes Ihurt, but At the end of the day,

(01:53:51):
like I'm still super active,I'm still able to, I'm still
very, very functional.
And I'm not saying I'm old, Imean 40.
I hate thinking like a 41 isnot old, but there was.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
There was a time.

Speaker 1 (01:54:06):
Where 40s was considered old, you know, like
where, like the 40 now isdifferent, you know, because
science is advanced andnutrition is advanced and Our
knowledge of working out and howit affects the body has
advanced.
So I think, like starting withmy generation, I think we're
gonna see an older populationthat's still gonna struggle with
a lot of the same problems, butyou're also gonna have this

(01:54:29):
segment of old people who arejust old people, who are just
old people, who are just oldpeople, who are just gonna be in
awesome shape.
Because I think more people now, even though obesity is a huge
problem, I still think morepeople are working out now than
ever before.
More access to gyms, man, more,yeah, yeah, yeah, and so I
think that's a huge, that's ahuge thing.
So, look, take care of yourself.

(01:54:50):
Okay, you have kids, man, like,if that's not a good enough
reason to want to be in goodshape, and I don't know what
else, I don't know what I cantell you, I don't know how
anyone could convince youotherwise.
But Look, man, life's betterwhen you're in good shape.
You can do more, you can, youcan achieve more, you can enjoy
life more.

(01:55:11):
Yes, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:55:13):
You got anything else , man?
I mean no, dude, if the shithits the fan, you want to be
able to you know, be able to getout.
These people have these fuckingbug out bags packed and all
this ammo and food ready to go,and if they tried to haul that
fucking ruck more than Hardattack they would stroke out.

Speaker 1 (01:55:26):
Yeah, so that's fucking useless, keep that mind
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This podcast can be foundReally anywhere Google podcast,
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We appreciate you listening,your support, and you know,
today was just kind of afree-for-all.
Yeah, shooting from the hip, wewanted to kind of touch on some

(01:56:08):
health and fitness topics and Alittle bit of training.
I think in a future time We'llprobably get Something more
specific, but yeah, I thinkthat's all for me.

Speaker 2 (01:56:19):
Thank you, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:56:20):
Yes, Appreciate you.
That's awesome.
We will see you all next time.