Episode 33-Wisdom of the Havamal

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, what's going on?
Join us today as we talk aboutthe wisdom of the Hava Mall.
We go over some of the stanzaswe expound on and expand on how
they can apply to our lives, asthe knowledge from Odin is
timeless.
So join us and enjoy the show.

(00:22):
Be the machine out.
All right, man, let's go, live,let's go.

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Oh, my God, I've cheers.
My man, how are you doing?

Speaker 2 (00:46):
What's up, man?
I'm living the dream.
I'm just happy to be here.
Yeah, yeah, how about yourself?

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Pretty good man.
We did some jits yesterday andI've got slightly injured.
Look, this is the thing that Inow have to just come to terms
with, and I've been pretty goodabout it.
I'm better.
I'm better with it when itcomes to, like, my strength
conditioning set, like warmingup, dude, I can't, and I do this

(01:12):
to myself, like yesterday, youknow, is like we got there and
we and a Cooper's like let'swork on wrestling, immediately,
Immediately, and I'm like and Iknow better I'm like, ok, I
should warm up.
And what do I do?
I don't warm up, I just jumpright into it, jump right in the
mat and, like my Achilles washurting today, I hit my head on
his brother's knee and you knowlike I get that weird nerve pain

(01:36):
, so there's probably a pinchednerve now.
Yeah, man, that's the price wepay.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
I suppose it's been a while since I've had anything
go wrong, so I guess it wasfitting.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, well, it goes like that, though right, like
like I have nice long stretcheswhere I won't get hurt or I'll
feel pretty good, and then bam,it's like, oh well, we got this
competition coming up.
Of course, this is the thingthat's happened.
And so it's like I've beentraining pretty hard for it.
You know, we've all beentraining pretty hard for it and

(02:09):
I'm kind of feeling it.
Yeah, I'm like I'm glad todaywas my off days, like my day off
.
You know I worked on mybreathing exercises my cool
little O2 breath trainer, youknow.
So that helps, I think it'shelping.
So this is, I think I'm well inabout the third week and like I

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can definitely tell it'sstrengthening my diaphragm.
You know, I like I feel like mycardio has been really good for
jiu-jitsu, you know, and itprobably also has been helping
that.
But doing some before and afterwork, like Gabe dude, we went
30 straight minutes that wascrazy.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
But we didn't go all over boxing, wasn't it yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:49):
It was why you guys were kickboxing, yeah, and it
was like, but it was like reallycool, it was like a really good
back and forth give and take,not like not trying to smash but
just move and Flow roll.
Yeah, it was really cool CauseI think, like you, just I think
there's certain people you cando that with, you know, because
not, I don't know, not everybody, I think, understands that

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everybody.
So many people want to win, youknow, and it's like that's not
what it's about.
I mean, sure, if you'recompeting, yeah, of course you
want to win, but that's the onlytime it really matters.
It's like getting tapped andtraining who the fuck cares?
It's training.
It's going to happen, man.
Yeah, it's going to happen.
That's how you get better andeven when you're the best,

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you're probably still going toget tapped, because there's
going to be things you want towork on.
Like I know a lot of these,these high level guys like they
will literally start from likean arm bar position, arm
stretched out.
Jesus, you know, or you knowthey're like hey, all right, get
on my back, get this chokesunken, and then they fight from
there and I mean, I thinkthere's a lot to be said about

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it, but If you train for theabsolute shittiest spot and get
good from there like yeah, howis someone going to stop you
exactly?
Well, because it seems to be theconsensus that, like the Hodger
Gracie, you know a lot of thetop level grapplers John Donner,
her they all seem to echo thesame thing in that when you're,

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you're should be fundamentallysound at escapes, because if you
can escape from any position,then your confidence will be
such that you can be morewilling to Attack, because
you're like Okay, put me in atriangle, I'll just get right
out of it.
Okay, put me in an arm bar, I'mgoing to get out of it.
Okay, take my back, I'm goingto get, I'm going to, I'm going

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to get out of it.
Right, you know.
So it's like it's that and Ibecause I think a lot of people
just want to learn how to attackand and like the fun part, you
know, that's the part, yeah,yeah, nobody wants to start
getting crushed inside controlon an American, I know.
Maybe more, just weird, becauselike I actually, I feel like I
enjoy fundamental stuff more.

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No, I can see that and sinkingit in, and maybe because I'm a
bit older, so like I'm justadapting.
Well, okay, so like you know,still have strength and
athleticism, but I'm thinkinglike long term, it's like I
should probably focus on a gamewhere, like I should like play

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to my attributes now and thenwhat are going to happen?
So I'll be a little lessexplosive and it's just like
leverage and position and justgetting good at that shit.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
I mean, you can get really good at throwing an arm
bar, you know.
But also if you understandfundamental concepts like
regaining inside position whenyou've lost it, like that's
going to carry you a lot furtherthan an arm bar, because you're
not always going to be able tothrow an arm bar, you know, but
you always are going to need toknow like, hey, right, I've got
to get an elbow back in here,knee in here, or something you

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know.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Well, and then Audrey Gracie says something
interesting that when he trainsdefense or when he wants to work
in his defense, he rolls withpurple belts.
Because he says a lot of blackbelts and he's not the first one
I've heard say this, but hesays a lot of black belts get so
comfortable with being thehammer that they, they, they
kind of stop working on theirdefense and stuff because

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they're so used to just beingable to.
When you're hammer, everythinglooks like and except for when
you roll with Audrey Gracie andsuddenly you're nothing, you're
getting tapped.
However, he wants to do it, youknow, because a lot of those
black belts aren't workingdefense and he's like they're
dope.
He's like they.
Like the guy that Buchetcha thathe beat.

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He's like he, he, he didn't dothe fundamentals that you would
want to do for defense andBuchetcha is the top.
He's like a fucking elitegrappler, like there's levels
man.
Like like if Hodger Graciehadn't a beat in him in 2017,
buchetcha would be like people,be like that's the most talented
, you know, accomplished jujitsuguy.
But they're like no, hodgerGracie, he literally like

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fundamentals.
You beat him with fundamentalsand Buchetcha lost because he
was lacking on his fundamentals.
It's crazy to hear that At thatlevel, it's like, no, it's
crazy.
It's crazy to hear that.
So, yeah, man, I think well,cause I like I'm liking this
positional sparring that we'vebeen doing and and starting
these, you know, uncomfortablepositions, like I think that's

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going to help my game longterm.
You know, it helps everyoneelse too.
So, what, cool man, all right.
So what's the topic today?
Today, okay, so, when we satdown to record our very first
episode, it was going to be onthe Hava Mall and we had like a

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specific topic we were going totalk about.
Let's just say, look, the itwent off the rails and you know,
we didn't end up using any ofthe audio because it just wasn't
.
It just wasn't it, it was.
We call that a practice session, yeah, so, um, I want to come
back to the Hava Mall and talkabout the Hava Mall and maybe

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some of the wisdom it can impart, even though, um, geez, you
know estimates of when this waswritten.
Certainly, I mean 400 AD, maybeearlier.
But but everything in the HavaMall, I think is is very
relevant because it's got likethose you ever, you ever heard

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of Evergreen content.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
I can understand what the idea is so like.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Evergreen is timeless stuff like ever.
Like say, you're writingarticles and they're like you
need to write an Evergreenarticle.
So then you're like okay, top10 tips for hiking, that's an
Evergreen article.
It's going to always be likeexactly, and I think a lot of
the wisdom in the Hava Mall isEvergreen content, because it

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doesn't speak to anythingspecific.
It doesn't speak to timeperiods.
It speaks to, I think, like thehuman condition.
It speaks to our vices right,it speaks to because it talks a
lot about abstaining fromalcohol.
A lot of the wisdom is aboutabstaining from not just alcohol
but things that will like slowour mind down and things like

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that.
And it's really funny becausewe look at our society today and
like what's happening?
Like people are getting big,getting fat.
I feel like, cognitively, we'relike we're not.
I don't think we're like dumber, but I just think we're so
distracted that we're likeforgetting things.
We're our tensions gettingworse.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
So here's my theory for that.
So in time of the Hava Mall, Idon't think you had an option to
be lazy or not like, be onpoint, ready to go, because at
any point in time their lifecould be in jeopardy.
And you know you could say thatfor our time period.
But I mean we go and order ourfood from Amazon or here's the

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thing.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
We don't need to do anything, I think that their
society struggled with the samethings ours did.
I mean, I guess the only thingthat's changing is technology,
but, like, I think that's whythings like the Hava Mall or the
Bagad Vagida or Sun Tzu or Laosyou know any of these, these
like ancient philosophies thatwe use, you know, all the time.

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They're timeless, they'reevergreen content because
they're speaking on the humancondition.
They're talking about thethings that we will probably
always have to struggle withexcess greed, lust.
You know, because it even talksabout, like coveting another
guy's, you know, like basicallyabout cheating on another.
You know, like a friend's wifeand bad friendships.

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So it covers all these reallycool topics.
So I figured we could kind ofdive into what the Hava Mall is,
and there's some.
We'll read some of the stanzasand, you know, just maybe
stretch them out a bit, talkabout them and see how they can
apply to, I don't know, maybe,what we're dealing with today.

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Have you ever have you read theHava Mall?

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Do you know?
I've read some excerpts withyou, or you know, of course, on
the episode you mentioned, andI've heard a few of them.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
yeah, so okay, so everyone listening I'm going to
be referencing.
It's called the Wanderers HavaMall, written by Dr Jackson
Crawford, and if you don't knowwho Jackson Crawford is, he is
probably right now.
He's like I'd say he's theworld's leading expert on Old
Norse anything.

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I think he advised onAssassin's Creed Valhalla that
is fucking sweet.
And I think he also advised onthe God of War, ragnarok yes, I
knew this one.
Yeah, I want to say he wasinvolved with both of those.
So he's very, he's like veryacademic about his approach to
Norse mythology and that's got.

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I think that's why I like him.
He's not, he doesn't.
He calls him basement wizards,right, like I don't know, like I
don't want to fucking downpeople for the things they like
to do, but I think I thinkViking culture is becoming very
like cartoonish, like it's it's.
It's getting cringy man, likeyou know.

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I don't want to dive too deepinto that, but I think a lot of
people will know what I'mtalking about.
But it's just gotten.
It's gotten like weirdlycommercial and it's like, yeah,
it's like, oh, shut the fuck updude when she gets mainstream
man.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
this is what fucking happens.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Everything gets ruined, yeah.
And then the mainstream youmight as well just abandon ship
because it's going to suck.
That's why I like death metal.
It will never be mainstreamMetal, thankfully, will never be
mainstream.
People are like well, whatabout slipknot?
That's not the kind ofslipknot's like I don't, I don't

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, I, they're okay, I don't, like, I don't mind slipknot, I mean
that's not my go to, but I'd saythey're like.
I'd say they're more likereally hard rock with bits and
pieces of metal thrown in there,like kind of harsh vocals.
Sometimes, you know he can tossfrom the screen, he can, but so

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can James Hetfield, you knowMetallica.
So it's like yeah, that'spretty much it, that's Metallica
, bro.
Like sweet guitar yeah, heplays a baritone guitar.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
You know no shit.
I seen him live.
I didn't even know the baritone.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
I don't know if he does it all the time, but he a
lot of times he uses a baritonebecause it's in the shape of a.
I don't know, is that anexplorer style, that's?

Speaker 2 (13:48):
got that like it's like the offset flying V kind of
thing.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
It's not flying V, but I think that's the explorer
I think that's what they callthose.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
I actually have one body in that body shape.
That's really fucking an LTD.
It's awesome.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Look for everyone listening.
I do play guitar.
It's been a while, but so likeI'm surprised they've been,
we're both.
We're both probably re-ass andI'm gonna love it.
Yeah, totally All right.
So the hovel mall.
I'm gonna read a little excerpt.
This is basically explainingwhat the Havimal is.
So Havimal is an old.

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Okay, again, this is fromJackson Crawford's translation
called the wanderers Havimal.
So the Havimal is an old Norsepoem attributed to the God Odin
himself and Preserved togetherwith other poems about the Norse
gods and heroes in a collectioncalled the poetic Eda, written
down in Iceland around 1270.

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Linguistic evidence, as well asthe pagan contents of the poem,
suggests that it was composedorally at a much earlier time,
probably in the 900s in Norway.
The title Havimal may betranslated as Words of the high
one or potentially words of theone-eyed either one, a reference

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to its authorship by Odin.
Havimal is largely made up ofstanzas that use pitchy,
concrete language to encouragewise and practical living, but
also contains the only extentaccount of Odin's mysterious
sacrifice of himself to himselfas well, and as account of his
magical capabilities.

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So I want to like highlight thepart here that says it uses
pitchy, concrete language toencourage wise and practical
living, which that's literallywhat this is about.
It's like, it's like the Vikingversion of Proverbs right is,
is, is the Havimal, and I'mgonna go ahead and we're gonna.

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We're gonna pick, I think, arandom stanza and we're gonna
kind of let's see what we gothere.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Um, we'll fucking break it down, man.
Yeah, man dissect Odin's wisdom.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Here we go.
So this is stanza five, and sothis one's touching on wisdom
and I think I think that'ssomething I think maybe the
world's kind of lacking rightnow.
Oh yeah, so this is what itsays a man Needs wisdom if he
plans to wander widely.
Life is easier at home.
He'll be laughed at if he sitsamong the wise and has nothing

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to say.
Hmm, it's pretty good now, frommy experience, I think Of all
the things I've done in my life,of going to school you know I'm
getting my masters right now Ithink the best education I had
Was getting to travel Kind ofall over the world in the

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military.
You know, it was like we grow up, you know Americans, we grow up
in this country, right, and weget this very narrow view the
world.
And I remember I think it waslike one of the first middle.
I don't know if it was likeDubai or guitar, guitar, cutter

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guitar.
Yeah, it's, there's differentways.
I guess people announce it, butI just remember Visiting like,
and then not even countries likethat, but like, being in Africa
and in Afghanistan and justwhere we're at now Shabu,
jibouti, africa.
You know, the joke continues.
It's funny because today Iposted On Instagram I posted the

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thing about Because we did a,we did a water course, so we did
a land and water course, yeah,and with the foreign Legion, and
so today I actually had areally good picture of the
course.
I've seen that.
No, no, it was the all theinstructors setting it up.
Oh my god, they're getting itAlso.
Yeah, they would the fuck dude.
It sucked, bro.
We're gonna diverge for aminute.

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But Because this kind of goesto the wisdom and and all that
stuff, so it's out in thefucking ocean and it was the.
The current was very strongbecause they got to like open
this thing out.
You know, these, these, these,these Obstacles are floating on
barrels.
So we're in our camis and theytake us out on this little dingy

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boat and we jump in and, bro, Iremember jumping in and I was
like it sucked because yourcamis suck to you.
They're like they suction toyour body, and then you're in
the ocean and there's sharks andshit, and we're right off the
coast of Africa.
Man, it's like and and not onlythat, but as we're like you're
navigating the obstacles, these,if there's instructors that are
in the water and they will pull, they pull you under and

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they'll like, drag you down alittle bit Just to fuck, yeah,
man, and like, yeah, dude, soyou, it was challenging and I'm
not the greatest swimmer, butI'm not a terrible swimmer.
Yeah and I, it was hard becauseyou had to tread water too,
like they would make you treadwater for X of how long I forget

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, but it was long enough to belike alright, can we just
fucking go and do this already,because that tires you out.
And then you have to pullyourself up out of the Water,
which is very fucking hard.
I'm sure those get heavy whenyour water logged and like
you're, it's like the, it's likeyou're being sucked into
concrete, you know, trying topull yourself up on rope and
stuff and it's all wet, but yeah, so that was um thousand

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intensive spirits.
But that whole time I wasgetting to experience the way
other people lived and it justit like made me more
appreciative.
I can't, I can definitelyimagine, dude, I was like, and
that's only so many veterans, Ithink.
I Think that's why so many vetswill come home, especially like

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combat vets that come home andreally like Understand what it
is we have Versus what otherpeople don't have and, like a
lot of vets get frustrated withpeople civilians, who maybe
haven't had that experience andLike we see the shit they're
complaining about.
And so suddenly we're like man,if you only knew how good you

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had it to be able to be upsetover something like that.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah fucking up your Starbucks drink is like the
least of your concerns.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Well, I mean even politically, even with, like the
LGBT Moot, like there arecountries that would never let
that happen.
I would get stoned, a fuckingyes and and and just all kinds
of stuff.
Like even you know I said, I'vesaid this over like even the
homeless in this country arebetter off, then, like most of

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the people in Haiti or Africa,like you know, at least the
homeless people here, they godumpster dive and they're still
getting food, they're gettinghandouts, are getting government
programs, getting liquor.
Get it said.
I said the mud puddle.
Yeah, what's the?
What is the drug they'resubstituting for the?
The meth, methadone.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Got their methadone.
It's supposed to help.
Yeah, it's supposed to help getthem off of it.
Yeah, I just hooks them on it.
Yeah, another, another drug.
And to speak on that because Iam obviously from here and I've
never really lived in any otherplace but here, but I definitely
see Others around me I'm sureI'm missing some of myself.
I see how, like these peoplewho actually never leave and

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never see anything, yeah, likehow, how do you understand
anything about the outer world?

Speaker 1 (21:31):
So you're right, I don't mean to interrupt, but you
said something before westarted about being able to pick
a story that I told I wastelling him a story before we
started recording just somethingI did when I was younger.
And that goes back to what thisis saying, because it you know
You'll be, he'll be laughed atif he sits among the wise and

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has nothing to say, right?
So, basically, you know, withthat Wandering wisdom, you know
you, suddenly you accumulate allthese stories.
You know cuz, like right now Icould, I could sit down and Fill

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hours worth of stories just onme living on the road, like, am
I time living on the road, thepeople I met, the places I went
to, the things I got to see,like things I haven't written or
talked to anyone about, likeyou know, working at the mall,
like I got all kinds, I got tonsof stories that are like
they're crazy, like that, andthen military, and then I think

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what it does is Like I thinkwhen you have that that want, I
think wanderers, knowledge is apretty good term because you can
tell when someone's been to alot of places, because they're
like telling all these storiesright and they didn't.
It's like it's very engagingand it's helped me over the

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years, especially because I'vemoved around so much.
Even growing up I went to threedifferent grade schools, three
different high schools, likelose so much.
Well, military, and then my Idon't know, my parents were
restless.
Yeah, you know a blank.
I mean obviously they just kept, I don't know, we just kept
moving.
But but now you know, I canlook back and I've got all I can

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.
I come, even now I can plugmyself in to somewhere and
Having the experiences that I'vehad has like allowed me to
connect with people, like allkinds of people, like I go to
jujitsu and I can connect witheveryone, because I've had like
Kind of all these multifacetedexperiences that someone there

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is going to be into, you know,whether it's comics or Guitar or
or any of these other.
You kind of just fit the thevibe of jujitsu, you kind of
naturally Now I mean now I amknow my cauliflower, or your
solo guy like the hippie marine.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, like you look like the hippie, like the
hardcore combat people to combatpeople.
Like, yeah, you kind of fit thewhole.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
So I think there's a lot to be said about that,
because you know a lot of peopleNowadays, a lot of people have
a lot to say and I think that,like they don't back it with any
wisdom.
Right, it's.
It's easy, like when you lookat what people are saying about,
like our country, you know theUnited States like yeah, it's
terrible, they're the worst.

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You know where you don'tdeserve, and it's like that's
super easy to say when you haveevery luxury that the rest of
the world wish they could have.
Yeah, you know, it's one ofthose things and I think I think
people that wandered around Ithink they appreciate what I

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mean.
Is it perfect?
Like no, dude, of course it'snot.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
No it's like and I'm sure there's you know other
countries that do some thingsbetter yeah, something that's
obviously like it's the case.
But you know you can't just saylike this is not fucking Haiti,
this is not like Holy shit, didyou?
You live within a stone throwover grocery store.
Yes, you might get a you know agood check in the mail every
month.
You know like you can fuckingsurvive here.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
You know well.
And then like here's anotherone, right, so the bit the first
portion of the Hava mall, likethese.
First, geez, I'd say almost 20,at least.
First 20 stanzas deals withwisdom in some way, and
traveling, like here's stanza 10.
He said you know.
It states a Traveler cannotbring a better bird and on the

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road than plenty of wisdom.
It will provide better thanmoney in an unfamiliar place.
Wisdom is the comfort of thepoor.
Oh, wow, yeah, and so like,okay, here's an interesting
story.
So I was on the road and I wasat Deming, new Mexico, which is
like 30 miles north of theMexico border.

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So Let me get right on theborder, didn't you?
Oh, yeah, yeah, I was downthere.
Um, so I was lost.
I went just driving through LasCruces, new Mexico, and it just
so happened that that that sametime a state trooper had gotten
shot and killed on the highway.
So like they started shuttingdown everything, all right, and

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I finally get back on thehighway.
I think that's 70.
I got on 70 East or West, geton the highway, get down to
Deming and like traffic isbacked up for like 10 miles,
literally 10 miles.
So I'm like trying to findalternate route.
I get off the road, well, myfucking RV breaks down.
Breaks down, dude, and like itwas my alternator and I was like

(26:32):
, fuck, dude.
So I'm trying to get thingssituated, you know, because I'm
living on the road.
I got a, I got a.
I got to figure out how to getthe fuck off the road and Find a
place to stay and then find hima can't like I'd.
So I had a bunch of shit.
I had a fucking nightmare rightthere, dude, yeah.
So I Finally get a tow.
It's like 10 at night.

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So I was there probably fivehours on the side of this road
tow truck comes.
Well, the guys, a Marine, yeah,man.
So we hit it off right off thebat and like so it's funny, read
this right.
So this wisdom when you're anunfamiliar place.
So I, I already been shittysituations anyway.

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So I mean, it sucked, but I waslike whatever, dude, I'll be
fine.
So I get to a truck stop, they,you know they.
I was able to charge my batteryenough that I could.
I could then drive the 20 milesin the town to get to the truck
stops because I was gonna sleepthe night in the parking lot.
So I did that, woke up the nextmorning, got the RV to the

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mechanic and so like they'retrying to figure out what's
going on and that look like itWas looking like that I was
probably be there for a few days.
So again, it just so happened.
Because I like to talk and I'mlike talking about all kinds of
shit in the shop, this guy comesin who?
He's not an employee of theshop, but he's like friends with
the owner.
Okay, well, he was in the Navy,Retired from the fucking Navy,

(28:01):
so mean him, start talking,fucking, hit it right off the
bat.
All the same interests with allkinds of like Tom, about
deployments and and you call,come to find out I had to stay
so well, he's like dude, I'vegot an RV pad.
He's like you can fucking crashon it for as long as you need.
And in this unfamiliar place.

(28:21):
Man, because I was able toconnect with all these strangers
through the experiences I hadand all the the places I've been
and Because I was able to beengaging.
It sounds weird but I feel likepeople will help people like
that.
Like, like dude, this guy'sreally cool man Like I really
want to help him, like I want tolike, and I'm not like Meeting

(28:43):
me.
I'm just saying, like thatperson, who's like dude, this
guy's really interesting, likeI'm gonna help, I want to help
this guy out.
He's really cool, like he seemslike a cool guy.
So like this guy's name wasEric.
So, yeah, dude, for two days helet me, I was, I crashed his
place, you I mean fuckingawesome like didn't charge me
anything, and then I finally gotit fixed and I was on the road

(29:04):
and that was that.
It was like it.
It turned in us like I'd saywhat this stanza is saying right
, a traveler can't bring abetter burden on the road.
The wisdom like that was asituation where All the
accumulated experiences I had upto that point came in really
handy because I had it, I could,I could reach, I could connect

(29:25):
with the guy on the shop.
You know, because a lot ofpeople were just intrigued that
I was living on the road tobegin with.
You know, just, it was me, mydogs and I think people were
intrigued by that, just byitself.
But then, on top of that, I wasvery personable, I'm like, and
then, like I'm, I don't holdanything back.
I will reveal my darkestsecrets to a stranger because,

(29:47):
like that shit doesn't own me.
You know what I mean.
Like that shit's not me.
If you fucking put it out there, what are they got?
You know exactly.
So it's like and I think peoplewill pick up on that like whoa,
do this guy's really like,really honest?
Like they sell all thesestories and like, okay, cool.
So I think I think there's a lotto be said about that and I as
weird as it sounds, it seemslike and correct me, you know, I

(30:09):
don't know, maybe, maybe I'mgetting older.
I just feel that with, like,the rise of social media, I
think less and less the peopleare Trying to go out and get
these experiences.
They're just the kind of livingthrough a Screen and they're
allowing that to inform theirview of the world, which is
gonna be very narrow, right, Imean fucking toxic and narrow,

(30:32):
yeah, I mean.
Yeah, I mean, think about likeit's, it's an algorithm, it's
just gonna like feed you whatyou're mindlessly clicking, yeah
.
And so suddenly, now we have a,we have a whole generation of
People who are literally onlyinformed by social media.
I think they I don't know whatthe statistics are, but I think
someone was saying thatsomething that like Almost a

(30:53):
good majority of people to gettheir news from social media.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
And I think I've seen it on Facebook.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Bro, that's terrifying.
What do you think about it?
That's terrifying, dude.
Like we now see how easy it isto manipulate everything.
I got AI and like Did you see?
Did you see the?
Uh, so they took, I guess, likeback when Dylan Mulvaney you
know, dylan Mulvaney the BudLight, fiasco, the oh, the

(31:24):
rebranded ends woman.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
You know the that controversy rebranded the Bud
Light cans right.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
And they did an overlay of Obama on I Don't
don't Dylan Mulvaney and it'sthe funniest thing I've ever
seen, because it was Obamatalking and moving like like
that.
So it was really funny.
But that's just.
The point is is People aregetting their worldviews through

(31:51):
a fucking screen and thatdoesn't work.
Like that's why I think that'swhy it becomes so easy for
people to be judging and it'slike everybody wants to be angry
now because they're nevergetting the full story, like
there's no wisdom to be foundthrough these screens at all.
It's like you gotta have theseactual varieties of experiences
to, I think, like Accumulatethat wisdom, because what kind

(32:15):
of wisdom are you accumulatingthrough social media?
Extremely biased.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
If you can remember it.
Yeah, like think I mean howmuch you dump out like a shit.
Yes, yes, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
So again, it's like the Hava mall, just it goes into
this, this evergreen mindsetwhere I don't think there's ever
a time where wisdom isn'thelpful.
I mean that's, it'd be nice tothink that Wisdom always comes
with age.
But I think we can see, likesome of these people running our
country, you know, are verywise.

(32:53):
And see, here's another one.
This is stands 18.
Only a man who is wide traveledin his wander for and has
wandered far, can know somethingabout how other men think such
a man is wise.
So again, that's just anotherTake on just the the value of
wisdom, and not just withbecause Odin was like he was a
god of thieves and travelerslike that was like because he,

(33:17):
you know, odin, was the wanderer, you know, you just wandered
around and accumulated knowledge.
So it's like it makes completesense that this first part of
the Hava mall is basically allabout you know wisdom.
But so here is we talked aboutlike our vices, oh yeah.
So this is funny.
This is stands at 20 and it saysa gluttonous man, unless he

(33:43):
watches himself, will eat to hisown detriment.
Wise men will often ridicule afool on account of his belly.
Let's think about this.
Oh shit, okay, this was writtenor not written, but this was,
like I said goes.
This goes back a ways likethousand years, thousand plus

(34:06):
Right easily.
So Even in this passage theyare talking about the detriment
of being overweight.
Even in this culture that isover a thousand years old, they
understood that being Well,having a huge belly, that was

(34:28):
the mark of a fool and that'sfucking crazy.
Like yeah, so think about it.
Like we're supposed to be amore advanced civilization,
right, we're supposed to be amore advanced society.
Our medicine is supposed to bemore advanced.
So we're supposed to be moreadvanced Society, our medicine
is supposed to be more advanced.
But yet I it's like obesity isat all time high complacency.

(34:53):
What sort of look for notlaziness, but Just people aren't
moving around sedentary.
That's where I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
I'd say laziness is at all time high man.
I think, okay, I think it'd besafe to say but here's the
problem with that.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Here's why.
It's because when you say lazy,people will respond with well,
it's not lazy, you know.
It's always like mental health,right, like that's the mental
health is like the new Fuckingthing to blame everything on.
It's like crutch yes, this isnew crutch.
It's like, oh my god, adhd, orI got this, and it's like I'm no

(35:31):
, you just you don't havediscipline.
Like you can call it whateverthe fuck you want, you just
don't have discipline.
Cuz like I got that shit too.
All right, I got PTSD and I'mdying, like didn't rehab, but I
don't blame any of myshortcomings on any of that,
none of it.
I never will.
Your responsibility, man,that's exactly.
It's like I'm ultimately stillresponsible man and I'll be god

(35:54):
damned if I give that away tosome fucking Acronym.
You know, yeah, three letter,four letter word.
It's like the fuck out of here.
So I just think it's.
And it shows you that they, Ithink they obviously valued some
kind of fitness as well.
I mean, like you said, like backin that period, especially the
classical Viking age, that therewas no fat dessert.

(36:14):
No, how could there be?
No, you know they didn't have.
But obviously the gluttongluttony was a thing because
it's being written about.
But again, here's the otherthing this was written in the
1200s by a Christian.
So how much of this is trulyauthentic to that pre-Christian

(36:35):
mindset, who knows.
But I'm willing to.
I'm willing to give it thebenefit of the doubt and say
that there's a lot of that.
They dealt with these thingsand it was probably.
I mean obviously, if, if he'spointing out the fact that, you
know, a fool has a big belly man, that's fucking, that's
reaching across the ages to usbeing like you know how fat we

(36:58):
are.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
The poke poking us in the pills, very doble and
fucking.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah, and it's really interesting because I can never
overstate the importance of.
I mean, we talk about how thefitness, obviously all the time,
and we're both into it and somuch of my social media is based
on that.
So, even you know, in the HavaMall, here it's talking about

(37:21):
the wanting to avoid that.
You know, because, let me see,I think it goes on.
So the next stands immediatelyand it's funny because, remember
, the Hava Mall is verytongue-in-cheek it's like dry
humor, I would say, because thisis the next stands immediately,
immediately following that one,even cows know when they should

(37:43):
go home and leave behind thefields, but an unwise man does
not know the measure of his ownappetite, so he's.
So, basically, odin is sayingthat look, even cows stop eating
, right, where a fucking, only afool.
They've got like four stomachsand they still know when to
fucking stop Right.
Even a fool of a man will justeat and eat and eat and eat and

(38:06):
like, think about buffets, dudeBro.
Like the people that eat abuffets should not be eating a
buffets.
Like the very people who whoshould be avoiding those are the
ones that are just piling ontheir place.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
What the fuck.
If I'm gonna go to GoldenCorral, I want my money's worth.
Man Like fuck Wow.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Okay, every now and then I'll head up a buffet.
I'll be like a Chinese buffet.
Dude, Chinese buffet is fuckinghard man, but it's funny
because I always feel so out,Like because, like, look man,
there's like a lot of healthypeople that are not really
eating there.
I totally don't give a fuck, Ijust I cheat, you know.
I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna getyou some.
I'm giving me like 18 crabbrand foods.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Fuck.
Yes, dude, that's my signature.
That's my last thing.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
I'm always getting a few crab brand foods, but but
you better believe I paid forthat and I you know what I mean.
Like I earned that Span burnsfucking calories right here.
I earned that shit, so you'llnever see that happening.
It's just, you know my wholelife, dude, like well, not my
whole life.
When I was younger, I don't alot of people didn't understand

(39:13):
my I don't know if it'sobsession is the right word, but
a lot of people, I don't thinkreally fixation.
Well, I don't know, they didn'tunderstand why I was so
dedicated to health and fitness,like because I took to it and
like I got really serious aboutI got I've lightened up
drastically over the yearsbecause, like, you can only

(39:35):
maintain that kind of disciplinefor so long before you're like,
okay, look, I gotta likelighten up a little better, else
I'll fail, because it just getsalmost too monk like.
But like now I'm 41 and and look, I'm not I hurt, you know, I
have pains and I have aches.
Not every day's a great day,but when I compare myself to the

(39:58):
average 41 year old, I'm likefucking Michael Jordan, I mean.
I mean I might as well becompared to the average 40
something, because they're justhorribly out of shape and I'm
still able to do a lot of reallygood stuff even now.
And I attribute that.
I attribute that to kind oftaking to health and fitness at
a young age and and stickingwith it and so that I guess

(40:22):
there's there's wisdom.
There's wisdom in that and Ithink that's what I like about
this.
I'll them all.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
I think the selfless plan it takes to take care of
yourself is going to translateto a lot of other portions of
your life.
Absolutely, I'm not trying tobe like Jordan Peterson but you
know you're right Cleaning yourroom, you know, like stuff like
that.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Like it translates yes and it sounds stupid to
clean your room, but here's thepoint of that you have to start
somewhere.
And that is the like, theessence of his message.
It's like, okay, you want tomake these big life changes, but
like you can't.
You can't like do a major thingright off the bat.

(40:59):
You've got to start with littlethings first.
It's got to be incremental.
It's like when we start yourjitsu, we're not.
We don't know what the fuckwe're doing.
We're not throwing flyingtriangles no, not at all.
You know we're getting smashedor tapped, whatever's tapped and
getting submitted, but it's aprocess.
You got to start, you got toshow up every day and like
that's, you're making your bed,and so that's the whole point of

(41:21):
that.
And I don't know, I think Ithink taking a fitness at a
young age helped, like you said,and it carried into a lot of
other parts of my life and I'mprobably yours as well.
So, yeah, here's there's a lotof funny ones in here and like

(41:41):
they're a lot of them are kindof harsh, but like this is.
So this is stands a 22.
It says a stupid man and anundisciplined one laughs at
everything.
He hasn't learned a lesson thatwould do him good.
He himself isn't flawless.
I don't know I can, I can.
You know, what I take away fromthis is that, like this seems

(42:03):
like a self-control thing.
You know, like some peoplecan't control themselves and
just laugh at everything withoutreally understanding what
they're laughing at.
You know, and clearly you know,because it ends with he himself
isn't flawless.
So, like this person's probablyalways pointing out the you know
like they're hypocritical,they're pointing at laughing at

(42:24):
others, absolutely Not lookingin the fucking mirror, and I
think everyone knows a personlike that.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
If you can't, if you can't like acknowledge your own
shortcomings, like come on, man,you gotta be able to laugh at
yourself a little bit.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
So, like I said, I, I , I'll, I'll.
When I meet a stranger, I'll,like I'll, put all my cards out
there and I think it's.
It's like I said, cause likethat doesn't.
You know, that doesn't own me.
I'm aware of my flaws, like,and I will admit them, cause,
like, as long as I can admitthem, I'm always aware of them

(42:59):
and I can always work on them,Like, and it's not going to be
perfect, that's not always goingto work out, but you know, as
long as that intention staysthere, like it will.
I mean that is something youknow, get, you know, get worked
through.
So, yeah, that's an interestingcause, like I.
If you were to break this downinto major categories, I guess,

(43:20):
like we said, you'd have onethat talks on wisdom, right,
types of wisdom, talks aboutgluttony and abstaining from
doing too much.
Cause I'm still we're at, itstands at 25 and it's still
talking about kind of likewisdom and things of that nature
.
And then Odin was not kind ofwomen at all, like he's got a

(43:45):
very, very hot take on.
If it were up to Odin that youjust would never trust a woman
and never give her money oranything.
He's pretty harsh, damn open.
All right, let's see here.
All right.

(44:06):
So this is.
Stands at 30 and says no oneshould ridicule anyone else,
even if he comes visiting.
Many a man seems wise if he hasnever questioned and he gets to
brood with dry skin.
It's interesting one.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
It is interesting.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
I'm trying to process that one Well yeah, I guess the
what I would take from it ismind your own fucking business,
it's gonna boil down to us Wellthat's what a lot of these boil
down to.
A lot of these are like thatCause.
Then look at, this is the nextone proceeding.
A man may seem wise if he pokesfun at another, and a man may

(44:52):
seem wise if he pokes fun atanother and disdains a fellow
guest.
But the man who talks behindanother man's back knows little,
even if he laughs with men.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Damn.
It's like said to my facemotherfucker, that's kind of
where that one's going.
Yeah, yeah, to respect it.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
The little kernels of wisdom, man, the Havimal.
It's like again.
It's timeless right and humanswill always have, we're going to
always have relationships witheach other.
They're always going to bemessy, you know, as long as
Neuralink isn't involved, but Iguess, I guess that might, that

(45:30):
might change a whole lot for us.
That shit goes through, man,yeah, okay.
So I want to get to.
This is one of my favorite ones.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Maybe one day we'll do the podcast just using our
minds.
We don't have to talk at all.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Do you guys get it?
It's pretty good, wasn't it?
All right, stands at 35.
You should keep moving.
You should never be a guestforever at any one place.
You're welcome or wear out ifyou stay too long beneath
another's roof.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Very, very good.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Yeah, I think this can apply to a lot of things.
It can not just apply toliterally, like hanging out at
someone's place, but I thinkthis can apply to things like
maybe you're I don't know, maybeyou have some kind of goal set
and it's just not working.
Yeah Right, don't stick with itfor too long because it's just
you're going to get burned outand then you're just going to

(46:22):
quit.
Right, you got to learn to,maybe about face or pivot or try
a different angle.
But it's funny because you knowI bought this.
I bought this literally before Ihit the road.
I bought it so I could read iton the road.
And when I came across this one, this one was like near and
dear to me, because I visited alot of people on the road but

(46:45):
and I knew I just I didn't wantto invade their life, I didn't
want to be there too long.
So, like I always slept in myRV, like I had my own room, even
though everyone's like no, no,no, like we have a bedroom.
Like just I'm good man, like Igot my space, you just want to
visit a little bit.
You got your space, I don't haveto be up your ass and get you
get annoyed with me.
And so, like that was, I alwayshad that in my mind when I'd

(47:08):
visit people because, like I hadpeople come stay at my place
and my old place and you know,we had some situations where
people stayed too long andsuddenly it's like all right,
look man, yeah like it was sucha hard situation.
I know Especially if you'refriends or but look, dude, I

(47:34):
think you want to say JohnDonner, her and Lex, even though
I had this conversation becausethey were talking about
immortality and whether or notyou'd actually want to be an
immortal, and I think they wereright in that.
The beauty of life, the beautyof experiences, the beauty of
friendships, relationships, arethat they will come to an end

(47:58):
and like it sounds a kind ofweird encounter, intuitive.
I think that that's what makeslife beautiful.
But if we knew that that wouldalways be there, would we really
appreciate it?
No, probably not.
Right?
It's like even now, even thoughwe know things are finite, we
know our life is finite, we takeit for granted, like all this
time yeah, man, especiallyrelationships, like it's really

(48:21):
easy to take like a partner,whatever girlfriend, boyfriend,
partner, whatever you want tocall it.
Like it's easy to take thatperson for granted if they're
always there for you and they'relike and you don't appreciate
that, you know.
I think that that's yeah, Idon't know what's going on.
Where was I going with that?

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Well, we were talking about staying under other
people's roots, yes, andactually I think our very first
episode, the one we totallyscrapped, I think I told the
story and if you don't care,I'll just tell it.
Let's hear it, man.
Okay.
So when I was in high schoolplaying basketball, everything
else we had a younger guy on theteam who was maybe he may have

(49:00):
been like a couple, two or threeyears younger than me Big
fucking guy, man, tall like six,seven, like Jesus, big, good,
yeah, really tall kid.
And anyway I didn't knowanything that much about the
time, but you know, like I'dbeen around him, just shot the
shit, you know nothing, big.
And he approached me afterpractice one day and was like,
hey man, like look, I reallylike can't go home right now.

(49:24):
Like I died, I really wouldneed somewhere to stay for a
night.
Like is there any chance Icould just ride home with you
and stay for a night and thenmaybe I can go home tomorrow?
And I was like, okay, you knowwhat time I was like I'm gonna
call my mom see if this is cool,you know, because I really
don't fucking know this kid verywell.
And yeah, so called mom wastotally cool with it and this,

(49:48):
this situation.
Obviously you see where this isgoing.
It didn't do so, I think so.
I think it's going.
Yeah, so night two rolled aroundand you know this is it's.
It's fine man.
It's in the beginning, you know, like, look, I've been an only
child my whole life, so I didn'thave any brothers or anything,
you know.
So I'm used to having my ownspace, sure, but it's cool.
You know, like I had him overman, we play, like go down to
the Xbox.
You know, we chill out, maybelike day three or four.

(50:11):
I remember I walked down to thebathroom and I seen my mom was
getting him his own personaltoothbrush head for my electric
toothbrush.
Oh no, and it was at this pointI knew I'd fucked up, right.
So this turned in from like alike, maybe, like supposed to be
a one day thing, and this guystayed with us for about three
or four months.
Oh my God, no, let me.

(50:32):
Let me take this.
So obviously you're going toget annoyed with someone if they
lived with you for that long.
That's just part of life, right, right.
So I acknowledge that.
But the other part was thisthis kid man, he was very
fucking lazy.
That was the bad part.
Is he like he didn't want tohelp with anything around the
house?
Me and my dad farmed at thetime.

(50:54):
And so he did not want to doanything he would take.
He would take clothes on mycloset and wear them.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Oh no, yeah, I mean get the fuck out of here.
Yeah, me and him, we definitelywe started clashing.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
But you know, like his, his home life was really
really poor.
Like he, I mean they, his fourfucking family, they literally
like stayed in town for like apart of the summer, like I mean,
like I get it, you know.
But he also had siblings athome that he just kind of
abandoned and turns out he'dbeen house hopping quite a bit
in the area and, man, I felt badand we finally got something

(51:27):
worked out with his grandparentswho would take much better care
of him and got him out.
But I'll never forget just that, that, that shifting feeling of
like you know, this is okay, Iguess.
And then realizing this fuckingguy is not going to leave and
he went so far past his welcomethat all of us were just kind of
ready for it.
You know, I'm glad he's doingbetter now, I think, and it's

(51:47):
good for him.
Yeah, I'm glad he's gotten abetter situation.
But Jesus Christ, man like thatwas.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
I mean, you know it sucks, because I think that's
what keeps a lot of people fromdoing good things, because in my
experience, whenever I dosomething good, it seems like it
just keep fucking punished forit yeah or yeah or just not
worth it.
You're like it just becomes,especially if, like you help
someone and then like lawenforcement, like then that just

(52:12):
you're like I wish I just neverwould have gotten a ball,
because then it turns in becausethe justice system is a fucking
circus and it's just like no, Iwill not, I'm not, I didn't see
anything, so I'm not, I'm awitness to nothing, I said, and
that sucks.
It sucks to be that way.
But I mean, whenever you try tohelp, you get taken advantage of
that, so yeah, yeah, yes, itsucks and we shouldn't look at

(52:38):
it that way, but, like, I mean,it's just the way it is
sometimes.
Yeah, you know, but I thinkthis is one of those stans is
that for me it meant a lot morethan just, you know, being
somewhere at someone's place fortoo long.
But it's funny because the onebefore it we actually talked
about this one before too, so itactually it kind of connects

(53:01):
into that stands at 35.
So this is stands at 34.
And it says it's a long andcrooked walk to a bad friend,
even if he lives nearby, butit's an easy road to a good
friend, no matter how long thejourney.
And I think that ties in wellwith you should keep moving.
Never be, you know, a guestforever, because that guest

(53:23):
forever is probably going to bethat crooked friend who's like
like, what are you doing?
Are you getting your lifetogether?
Like, are you?
Do you have a plan?
Do you just?
Are you just going to be afucking bum and hang out here
and like, wear my clothes andlike, like, what's going on here
?
You know?

Speaker 2 (53:40):
okay, and just to clarify, I know I mean like my
mother got him all his own shitJust to, just to I'm not trying
to go back to it but like heliterally had all his own
clothes.
She bought them all that andit's like, you know, I don't
know, it's damn.
I was like very nice.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Yeah, my mom's a fucking G dude.
That's too bad, because likethat's just a total lack of
respect.
I think that's a but, but youknow, I guess if you don't, you
haven't seen what respect is.
You know how the fuck are yougoing to know?
Yep, you just, oh, she's justgetting me the stuff.
Okay, cool, you know, like I'dbe fucking farming and like I'll

(54:16):
cut the grass so I'll do somelaundry, man, like I'll do my
own laundry, at minimum.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
I mean, oh hell, no, dude, she'd ask him to help with
the dishes and he'd run to myroom and I got that.
Sucks, dude.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Yeah, miserable man, that really sucks.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
I don't know.
It's one thing to like needhelp and to like and other
people help you and you'd beappreciative and be, you know,
gracious, like thank you so much.
What can I do to help you?
But just to be sounappreciative that you can't
even like yeah?

Speaker 1 (54:48):
but that's how people are, man, I know, and like I
think it's getting worse.
I just, I don't know, like it's.
It's like it seems like there'slike this value shift going on
and I don't know.
It's like it seems like, youknow, I don't think being decent
to each other is such a hardthing to do, but it seems like
it's.
It's.

(55:09):
It's very hard.
Yeah, it's like no one, noone's wanting to like.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Well, so many people capitalize on people being kind
Like it's.
It's a, it's almost avulnerability, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Yeah, so like, uh, it's funny because the Havimal
talks a lot about friendship tooyeah, um, like we went over
that one, uh, so there's like alot of and again, that's why you
know, stuff like this goesacross time because, again, as

(55:42):
long as there's going to bepeople, there's going to be
relationships and they're goingto be bad relationships.
You know you're going to havebad friends.
You're going to have goodfriends, you're going to have,
like, you know, bad, likepersonal relationships and and
and you're going to have goodrelationships.
And it's like and I guess, whenI, you know, when you read this
, it's like it's like guide onwhat kind of what to look for,

(56:04):
Um, and kind of how to deal withit.
And even though this is over athousand years old, close to it,
again, it's applicable to Idon't know man, it's applicable
to where we're at now, it'sapplicable to our relationships
today, which is why I think it'slike all of it's like really

(56:25):
relevant.
You know, friendships Um causelike, uh, let me see Like.
Stanza 41 says friends shouldprovide their friends with
weapons and clothing.
This kind of generosity showsgenerous mutual living is the
key to lifelong friendship.
So, basically, you can eventake away like giving your

(56:47):
friends weapon and clothing andjust replace it with give them
support and stuff like that,where, um, I think a lot, of, a
lot of people have friends whouh shit on their dreams, who are
like, dude, I really want to dothis.
And they're like really, do youreally like I don't know if you
, you know, like they fuckingdown them instead of being.

(57:07):
You know, even if it's crazy,you know you can be positive and
still be like dude.
That sounds super cool.
I mean, if you thought about itlike, like, like how would you
go about doing it?

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Like there's ways you can be where, like I just think
, a lot of friends, um, they,they, I don't know friends think
they're being good friends whenthey do shit like that.
But there's definitely tactfulways, you know.
And then there's friends thatthey're just they suck, they
just don't want you to succeed,they bring you down to their
level.

(57:38):
Yes, and like when I read thisit's funny, friendships, rather
friends with weapons andclothing.
Like again, we can, you know,it can be a literal.
I'm sure it was literal in thatday.
It's like well, my brother, mybro, gave me like a fucking
shirt and a sword, dude.
Yeah, pretty cool, I know I gotto get him, so I'm gonna get
him an axe.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Do you notice how it says, like give them a weapon,
but don't like you're nothunting for them, Right?

Speaker 1 (58:01):
So it's like well and it's it's.
They're talking about a mutual,a mutual thing.
So, like that, it's like thehealth of a friendship comes
from mutual giving and itdoesn't have to be material
items.
It's just talking to each other, like bouncing ideas off each
other, being supportive, andlike, maybe, when that you think
that friend is like fucking up,you just don't, you know, maybe

(58:25):
just be tactful about it.
Like, dude, I'm worried, man,you know I'm supporting you, but
I just maybe, you know, maybeyou know, you should be a little
bit less retarded, maybe youshould be less of a fucking
idiot, which is fine.
Yeah, like, hey, man, like, ifpeople heard how we talked to
each other, like when you're inthe Marine Corps, you guys are
friends.

(58:45):
Yeah, even at jujitsu sometimesit's like yeah, dude, like it's
, it's how we talk, it's a signof kinship, yeah, it's like
friendship, we can.
So this kind of unrelated, butthere's funny because there's
certain jujitsu moves like themuffler yeah, that I was.

(59:06):
I've watched so many videos andeveryone was like look, if
you're going to do this, do itto your friends.
Yeah, like, do it to peoplethat you know are.
I told you it was like twoweeks ago, tommy did it to me.
He was like I was just testingyou, man.
He was putting you down.
I was like I know he's fuckingright over my mouth.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Fuck it was all good, though I got chain doing shit
Like yeah, I got to do is openyour mouth.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
It's like I got to do yeah, Open your mouth.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
But first day, tommy's not going to be doing
that to any of you, bro.
No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
It was, it was yeah, I mean yeah, so it's funny
because it's like but that'sthat mutual friendship, it's,
it's, there's that give and take.
Even even in that it's weird asit sounds, uh, I think I don't
know, man, that's just the basisof all relationships is a give
and take, and I was just reallyI got to touch this because he
cracks people.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
So you know, you know how Roland was shamed.
You know, obviously, like helike, just like you know he's
absolutely destroys me.
For the first little bit Ifinally knew I was like getting
somewhere with him is when hehad me in some sort of like he
had control of my head and neck,I remember, and he was
basically just holding me thereand I was uncomfortable, but he
just like reached his indexfinger up and went boop, grab my
nose.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
I was like what the fuck Shit?
Oh my gosh, I don't know if Iwould have to be worried or
terrified, or like what he'sabout to do.
Bro, it's so fucking funny dude.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
He'll get you completely controlled and
they'll just fuck with you Likelike, honk your nose Like, oh
God damn Shane.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
That's how he was man .
He's made me better, exactly,he's made my top game better.
He's made me more aware ofgetting swept, because he loves
the sweep.
He is the fucking human bro man.
He's been really good aboutthat.
So, yeah, man.
So they're touching onfriendships, but you know, it's

(01:00:55):
just, I think relationships ingeneral, because of, like, right
after stands a 42 says be afriend to your friend and repay
each gift with a gift, or paylaughter with laughter but repay
treachery with treachery, shit,okay, that went south.
I wouldn't say no forgiveness.
Well, hey, man, it's, it's,yeah, dude, it's like a tit for

(01:01:18):
tat kind of thing.
Like if they pay you treachery,then you might as well.
Just, I don't know about that.
I mean well, but here's thething if a friend fucks you over
, I mean the chances of doing itagain are probably pretty good,
especially if there's norepercussions.
Exactly Like bro, go, fuck offdude.
So I, like, I had a situation wetalked about it, but I'm not

(01:01:40):
going to go into detail but Ihad a guy, a guy served with my
old place, overstated as welcome, and dad, dude, went.
It just went totally south andlet's see cause.
Treachery is like a strong word, but I guess I could say like

(01:02:06):
the relationship ended like on amutual fuck you.
You know, like okay, fuck me,well, fuck you.
So and then we've literallynever talked since.
And we never will, which is okay.
It just was meant to be thatway, and that's the other thing
is sometimes man.
So touch on relationships.

(01:02:27):
A lot of you know.
Something I talk a lot about iscutting off people like that,
like getting out of those shittyfriendships and being able to
like well, you stick with that,you know?
Um, so I'm losing my train ofthought.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
No, no, come on, you're on to something.
Dude Relationships.
Let me see here, fuck, damnFucking.
Dementia is already in the way.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
I only ate a 10 milligram gummy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Seriously, did you fuck anyone for this?
I did, I'm selling.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Yeah, um, but I guess what I was saying is um, I
don't know.
That's all right, though.
That's how it goes sometimes,and we don't have the luxury of
just going back and like I'mgonna lose because I'm not ready
.
This is staying in.
It's totally staying in.
Fuck it, fuck it.
It probably wasn't a good point.
It probably sounded good.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
It sounded like you were seriously on to something.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
I was, but I just went off the rails.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
We'll go to another, go to another stanza and some
crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
All right, let's see.
I mean, well, a lot of this isuh, so this is all going to be
geared on friendship.
Um, like you know, if you havea good friend and you trust him
and you want it good uh, I wantgood to come in your friendship
you should speak your mind withhim, exchange gifts, visit him
often.

(01:03:55):
You know, like that's pretty,that's a pretty thing.
A good thing for a relationshipis kind of that nurturing thing
.
Um, okay, so this is funnybecause this is like kind of
like, uh, the previous stanzawhere it says this same friend,
if you mistrust him and suspecthim to be false in his words,

(01:04:15):
you should talk with him, laughwith him, but repay just what he
gives you.
So again, it's like give backwhat he's fucking given you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
So it's like it's not like treat others how you want
to be treated.
It's treat others how theytreat you as kind of the yeah,
absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Well, it's like dude, you don't want to be anyone's
fucking whipping post.
No, you know what I mean.
It's like people and I knowpeople that are in.
They have like friends that arein friendships like that where
they're like the.
So I had this guy I served withand he was in a leadership
position and like when he was inwork he came off as like pretty
intimidating, you know likewell, I got to hang out with him

(01:04:55):
off hours.
You know, we moved my whileex-wife and now we moved out to
where like him and like thepeople that hung out there on
the Marine Corps they're alllike sergeants and stuff.
Well, I see him out of work andI see him out of the work
environment and I and he wasthat whipping post friend and I
was like what the fuck?
Like he was just letting him,like he'd let him just talk shit

(01:05:17):
to.
Like it was the weird.
It was weird.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
And not like friendly shit, like actual shit it just
not.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
I thought it was harsh man.
I was like I would never hangout with people that said this
shit to me Even, even you.
Yeah, I'd be like dude, there'sno fucking way and I would.
Or if they started doing that,I'd be like, if you say
something like that, I'm gonnafucking punch you in your mouth,
like I just wouldn't take it.
I like to joke around, but likethey were, like he was like the
whipping post, you know, likehe was like the, you know, in

(01:05:48):
the pecking order with chickens,like he was the one they were
pecking on, and I'm like that'sso weird, cause like he had this
totally different persona atwork.
It's probably where hecompensates, I know, well
obvious.
Cause I saw it.
I'm like that's fucking notcool at all.
So, again, it's like you repaywhat they give you, so, but then
it's like, but that that's justnot a friendship you want to

(01:06:09):
have.
So it's like you got to cutthat shit off.
And I think that's what I wasgetting at with with what I was
going to say earlier aboutcutting people off, like cutting
your friends off.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Do you think if one, you think one actual
transgression is enough tojustify that?
It depends, I think, it dependson the level of transgression.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Yeah, I mean you should obviously talk to him
about it.
Yeah, big look, dude, that'snot I don't like, don't why you
all fight.
Like I maybe not be superhostile in beginning, but I
think when you just allow it tohappen and allow it and allow,
it becomes a pattern, becomes ahabit and suddenly, like that's
your role, you're just, that'swho you are and there's no

(01:06:50):
respect for you.
There's no yeah, and well,that's like where's the self
respect?
Yeah, and all of that.
But I was going what I wastalking about with relationships
earlier and I lost my train ofthought.
I came back.
It was like people have to beokay with cutting people out of
their life.
Like you have to be okay withthat.
Not only do you have to be okaywith that, like you have to

(01:07:11):
stick with that Cause.
Like a lot of times it'llhappen.
It's like a friend will dosomething really shitty man, and
there's a period of time theydon't talk and suddenly they're
back and then the friend doesthe same thing at another point.
And it's like people like whenyou really want to take charge
of your life, you got to likecut the people out that are

(01:07:31):
fucking dead, weight, toxic, andlike you cannot look back Like
you got to be okay with it.
Like I said about that guy,like we'll never be friends
again and I'm okay with that, Idon't wish he'll will on him
Like I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
I just like the table .
Thing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
I don't want him to starve, but he can't eat at my
table.
Perfect, yeah, and like.
That sums it up perfectly Like,and I think that's okay to.
It's okay to like look at itthat way when you cut someone
out of your life, be like look,dude, I don't want you to starve
, but you can't come hereanymore.
Like you're done, Like I don't,I don't want you to fail, but

(01:08:09):
like our path together is gone,Like it's, we're going different
ways now and it just that justhas to wait.
It has to be because I know somany fucking people it.
It drives me nuts becausethere's a lot of people that
allow themselves to stay inshitty friendships and the
shitty like relationships.
Oh God, Because I just thinkthere's like a.

(01:08:29):
There's this level of comfortpeople get with and, as fucked
up as it sounds, it's like yeah,people get used to being
treated like the whipping post,Like they become the person that
they just everyone dumps theirshit on.
It's like a, a, a Migo thedevil.
He's a, a, a singer, he does.
They call it murder folk, His,his genre.

(01:08:50):
Yeah, Migo the devil, there's aline.
There's a line in one of hissongs.
It goes basically like I'malways, like people are always
taking a piece of me and puttingit back the way they want it to
be.
Like like they're turning himinto what he's not and like
that's what.
That's the fucking danger.
You play with yourself and like, when you're around those

(01:09:13):
people, yes, and they turn youinto like somebody you don't
want to be because you're not,you're not giving that shit back
.
So, yeah, cut those shit out,Get out of those relationships
and just don't look back.
There's a lot of people need tohear that yeah, yeah man, oh,
okay, here's an interesting one.
I don't this see.
This is.
This is good because I strugglewith this one, right?

(01:09:35):
Okay, so this is stands a 48kind.
Brave people live best.
They never nurture a grudge.
But a non-wise man worriesabout everything he treads, even
repaying a gift.
I guess the thing I strugglewith this is the grudge because,
like I hold grudges.
Yeah, and let's be honest, Ithink most people hold grudges

(01:09:56):
yeah, At least a little bit.
Yeah, maybe not like to to thepoint where it's like
detrimental to your life, butlike we all have one person when
we think about like, hmm, man,if I, just if I saw that and I'm
like I'm gonna hit him andpunch him in the mouth, or maybe
not, but but, but like there's,there's things that are years
back that I still think aboutand I'm like it makes you

(01:10:16):
fucking mad thinking that yeah,Like I still have kind of a
grudge and I know that's theshortcoming, Like I get it.
Like like he says you know,kind brave people with best
thing never nurture a grudge,but I don't think that's
actually very realistic.
I mean, that's probably onething.
I think it's back on this.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
It's okay.
Yeah, I mean, I've heard thisterminology before.
I think you can kind of likemaybe forgive it in your mind,
but don't ever forget yeah, like, yeah, like, just yes, like if
somebody fucks you over, don'tlet that shit happen again.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Well, because I, you know, when you think about it,
wouldn't a grudge cause a like?
It almost seems like the fuelthat propels a lot of people end
up being really successful is agrudge, because someone was
like fuck you, never you'regonna, you're gonna be a failure
.
You're a fucking loser.

(01:11:10):
Yeah, like you're a loser, like, like people, their teachers
telling them this, like thinkabout that.
So they're like, they thoughtabout that teacher for 15 years.
All the while they're grindingaway and they blow up and
they're fucking just superfamous and rich, and all because
they had that grudge.

(01:11:31):
It's a nice little fire undertheir eyes.
Yeah, I think I agree with thisso much.
But I do think If you let itconsume you, that's the problem.
Yes, exactly, that's where itbecomes an issue and then that's
when it ends up in like murder.
That's when like, like grud,that's that's the worst they can
get is like motherfuckers.

(01:11:52):
It consumes their life to thepoint where they physically act
on that grudge, whether it'sassaulting them or murder or
just something you know horrific.
So yeah, I guess there'svarying levels to that, you know
, like I think I think a grudgecannot.
I think a grudge can be kind ofhealthy, if you know if you've

(01:12:13):
got okay.
So if you can convert it tomotivation, yes, okay, yeah, if
there's like a focal point youcan point that grudge to, where
you're not taking it out onpeople, yourself or the person
you're like.
He said I can't do this, fuck,watch me, motherfucker, I'm
going to do it.
And then like, because that'sthat, that's saying what a
success is the best revenge,absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Because you had a grudge.
Someone says you're a weakpussy.
Okay, bench 315.
Okay, I'm going to bench 315.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
And then I'm going to be a fucking jujitsu black belt
.
I'm going to come on and breakyour fucking arm.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
I might not do that, that might be a little too much.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Yeah, That'd be.
That'd be taking the grudgeprobably a little too far.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
But if they ever like , I don't think they would fuck
with you.
If they would not.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
They'd be like and they probably.
You know it's funny because alot of bullies when they're like
years years later when they'reconfronted by the people they
bullied, they're like almostevery like, almost every time
they're, they're almost ashamed.
You know that they did that.
Like George St Pierre wasbullied, seriously, yes, and he

(01:13:17):
confronted his bully and likethe dude was like obviously I'm
very sorry, but it was one ofthose things, but he was a part
of why George St Pierre becamewho he was is because, like I
bullied him and he was like I'mnever going to let someone do
this to me, like fuck that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
That's good.
He uses it the right way, butthey take people like like to
walk into school with an AR-15.
You know, that's anotherfucking problem.
That's the problem, but I thinkthat's.
I mean you get poor mentalhealth on top of just like an
amalgamation of just fuckinglike people treating like shit,
like I don't know.

(01:13:54):
People respond to negativity indifferent ways.
Some people they let that shitbeat them down and fucking make
them just full of hate, and somepeople can use it, like George
St Pierre did, and turn theminto one of the best fighters of
all time.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
And there's a lot of.
It's funny because there's alot of stories like that where,
like, people got bullied and itpropelled them to do crazy,
awesome things, you know, andthat's why, like, there are
people who will say that evenfat shaming, like you know, even
supple is he had he played inAmerican history X.
I've seen him.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
The fat guy in it, oh , the one who sings the song in
the band.
Oh shit, he lost a ton ofweight.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
Oh damn really.
He's like 180 pounds now and hesaid a lot of that was because
of fat shaming.
He's like I use that as fuel.
He's like it sucked to hearthat and they were right.
He's like and I lost all theweight.
Now he's healthy as fuck andlike works out like crazy.
Like you know, like randomly,you know who else works out a
lot.
Now is a man, he's a, he's arapper.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Was he fab before?

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Yeah, she had a cooking show on vice.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
The only rapper I can think of with a cooking show
was Snoop Dogg.
No, snoop Dogg, always.
I'm gonna forget.
I shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Man, it's so annoying Because he's like really big
into kettlebells and macebellsand stuff.
Now, like he's he's really he'slike really into working out.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Some people do that and some people kill themselves.
So it's like it's a.
It's a pretty a thin line.
You know you put pressure onsomeone, they're either gonna
crumble or, you know, turn intoa diamond, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
Yes, um, it's all right.
So we're gonna go, let's see.
Let's see what else we got inthe some other little tidbits of
wisdom the Hava mall can impartour way, because there's quite
a bit I want to say.
In total there's 160 stanzas,but not all of them are actual,
like pieces of wisdom.

(01:16:00):
It's like like towards the endhe goes into the spells he knows
, you know, which isn't reallypractical for modern day living
A stoffer, you always a nevercasted spell sir.
I'm gonna make your edged bladeblunt.
I kind of know if that's goingto work.
For me it's like a simple one,and this is stanza 65.

(01:16:21):
You will often get repaymentand kind for the words you speak
to others.
So it's like and I wouldn'teven take it as literal as words
it's like the actions.
The actions, you know what youdo, the things you say is how
people are going to perceive youand they're going to react.
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
so if you're fucking asshole, I guess what literally
like Nordic karma, is what thatliterally is, yeah, like people
are going to be assholes back.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
It's like it's basically saying like look, man,
if you want to establish goodrelationships, good rapport with
people, if you want to havegood friendships, if you want to
be a widely traveled person whocan make friends, however, then
it's going to.
It's going to come down to howyou talk and treat other people

(01:17:07):
and like you look around now,where so much of our
communication is done on socialmedia, and what's the one thing
I think almost going to agree onis that it's incredibly toxic
because, like there's nopersonal touch to it anymore.
It's like you're literally justtyping onto a screen and so

(01:17:28):
everyone is like super shitty toeach other.
So it's like this.
But I think I see it likespilling out into the root and
you know, do you remember likeit was just like five, 10 years
ago?
People would be like, well,that's not, that's not real life
, you know.
Or now it's like social mediais becoming people's real life
and so spend all day on Twitter,yeah, so I think, like you're

(01:17:51):
seeing people interact withpeople on social media like
assholes and then they go out inpublic and they're assholes
Because they think they can getaway because now they're used to
it.
You know, and I just think it'sthis weird self perpetuating
cycle where, uh, I don't knowman, eventually they're going to
learn their lesson.

(01:18:13):
Yeah, I guess.
Yeah, they will probably, mostdefinitely.
But it's like this weirdslippery slope we're going on.
But that's just an easy littlepiece of wisdom.
It's like look, treat othershow you want to be treated.
That's literally.
That's that right there thekarma.
So yeah, it goes on about kindof stuff like that, but this is

(01:18:37):
an interesting one.
This is one that's really good.
It stands at 70.
Better to be alive, no matterwhat, than dead.
Only the living enjoy anything.
I saw a fire burning for a richman and he laid dead outside
the door, and I like this onebecause I think again, you point

(01:18:58):
to social media.
I think people see the lotthese fake ass lives, a lot of
these like influencers areliving.
So everyone's like dude, I wishI lived like that, I wish I had
all this money, I wish I hadthis, all the girls, all the
cars, all the fucking, ratherthan just being like, holy, fuck
, dude, I'm alive and I get toexperience this weird like

(01:19:19):
waking dream we call likeconsciousness, because this is
it Like.
We're probably not like.
I don't know what comes after,but I've got this feeling that
it's just going to be nothing.
It's going to be like it wasbefore I was born.
Nothing like the world was finewhen I wasn't here.
It's going to be fine when I'mgone.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
It's been probably in well, maybe a generation or two
.
You're not there.
No one's going to know who thefuck you are.
I mean your great grandmother.
How much did you, how much didshe influence?
You know, I didn't hardly knowmine, you know it's.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
I'm, she, my great-grandmother was pretty big
influence Really.
Yeah, she was, she lived closeand like she was Polish, so it
was always interesting.
Yeah, so she always make likedill, pickle soup and stuff,
like she always make traditionalPolish meals and because she
came over like 1914 or something, but I don't know man, I just
think a lot of people Like Ithink we talked about earlier

(01:20:11):
about taking things for grantedand just like being alive, it's
easy Again, man, because ofsocial media, it's easy to look
around and be like, oh my God,this world is awful fucking
climate.
I'm going to melt everything.
We're doomed Like that's, it'sfuck, that's all everything is.
Now.
It's like you need to be scaredof this now.

(01:20:31):
Like no, you need to come over.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Let's be scared of something else.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
You know you can't eat oatmeal, it's bad.
Like you can't do that, likeit's always this fucking
bullshit, like what you can't do.
And people are like, look man,I don't give a fuck, I'm alive.
Like I'm just going to enjoythis experience.
You know it doesn't.
Yeah, it sucks sometimes, likethat's part of life is something
yeah, dude, like therelationship's ending or yeah,

(01:20:57):
fire, death.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
We're going to lose stuff in life, we're going to
gain stuff in life.
It's like and yet people focuson the bullshit and, like I get
it.
It's easier said than done.
We all get caught in it.
I'm not saying I don't, but Ireally try to make an effort for
when I find myself, slip itinto that where I'm like, dude,

(01:21:22):
what are you doing?
Like look at this life you have, like it's awesome.
Like I've got littleresponsibility.
Dude, I got a couple of dogs, Igot chickens, like I got a
pretty, pretty cool life going,yeah.
And so when I start fuckingfeeling sorry for myself from
get like that you know where I'mI for I lose sight of that

(01:21:42):
gratitude.
I stop and like, okay, I'll gosit out on that, my screen and
porch, it's fucking awesome, Ilove it.
I'll just sit there withnothing and just listen to like
the birds and like, okay, thisis good, this is good.
I don't feel like I have to getto the experiences and it kind
of rebalances me.
So, you know, I don't know, Ithink I think sometimes like we

(01:22:07):
just gotta embrace the simple,simple, simple shit and then
like it's better to be alive, nomatter what.
He's.
So true, because so do you know, there's a guy going around
right now.
He uh, so he tried to commitsuicide.
He jumped off the Golden GateBridge and live he's one of the
few that live Wow.
And he said the minute hejumped off, he was like oh my

(01:22:29):
God, I fucked up.
I fucked up.
And I want to say there was likethere's a couple of suicide
survivors that they all havethat same thought, like they're
like just immediate regretbecause they lose sight of that.
Like I lost a friend.
Like his casket flag is rightthere, he killed himself because
he I mean, among other thingsthat was happening, it was just.

(01:22:53):
I think people like that losethat appreciation for life and
they get.
They get so fucking hyperfocused and all the problems,
yes, and all the things that'sdragging them down.
They don't stop to pick Okay,look, I'm alive, I'm good, I can
get out of this family.
Yeah, man, like dude, yeah, andwell, that's like a case like

(01:23:16):
Julian, like he fucking survivedcombat, yeah.
And here to come back and likethis is gonna, this is what
takes you out.
It's like you could have worked, like I mean, there's a lot to
unpack on that.
Maybe sometime we'll talk aboutit, but it's like it's just one
of those things where you knowthat's the danger of losing
sight of that is is apathy,apathy for living, and then like

(01:23:38):
when you don't care aboutliving, then that's dude, that's
a problem, you know, becausethen you don't have motivation
and I kind of feel like a lot ofpeople are getting into that
state of lethargic state, likepeople don't want to leave their
fucking house, right, and it'slike, I don't know man, people
would rather spend their timekind of immersed in digital

(01:24:02):
worlds, which is cool and fun,sometimes Pretty good hobby.
Yeah, I don't know man, I justthink you lose sight of the
bigger picture.
You just kind of stopappreciating shit and you stop
appreciating life.
So I don't, maybe I'm justgetting old, sound like.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
Fucking boomer, fucking boomer dude, goddamn
social media.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Damn kid.
I just don't understand themanymore, Fucking tweeter.
So this is and again like thiscomes back to wisdom, right
Stands a 75.
The ignorant man does not knowhow little he knows.
You become foolish by listeningto fools.

(01:24:42):
One man is rich, another man ispoor, and neither has the other
to blame.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
There's a lot going on in that one that's like three
different wisdoms and one.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
Yeah, yeah, the ignorant man does not know how
little he knows.
And how true is that?

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Oh, God, holy shit, the stupidest fucking people
Again social media is givingvoice to these people.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
As a matter of fact, I say that they are the loudest
on social media, the people whohave.
They don't know anything andthey're always the fucking
loudest.
And they don't even know thatthey don't know.
Like that's the fucked up thing.
It's like I don't know ifyou're noticing this anymore
with like people, but like forme, even when I'm just out in
public, I really feel likepeople are losing, like their

(01:25:31):
sense of self-awareness, beingaware of not only themselves but
being aware of theirenvironment.
Like because everyone'sliterally staring at their
goddamn phone and walkingthrough stores.
Like it's just, it's reallyweird.
Like 15 years ago I never wouldhave, you know, I never would

(01:25:54):
have like thought that like that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
That's where it'd be and people like would like going
across walks.
I've been looking at traffic.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
Nobody's aware.
I just feel like people aren'taware of anything, like we're.
It's like, okay, so it's likein bowling, right, you go
bowling and you put those littlebumper things out.
So you don't, so you don't gooff into the fucking.
Don't tell me you use thosemotherfuckers.
No, no, no, no.
But that, no, I don't.
But what I'm saying is is likeour society is getting

(01:26:22):
surrounded by these bumperthings, so it's like we're
almost allowed to be socompletely unself-aware because
of technology, because likewe're living in this weird nanny
state where everything's oh, wegot you man.
And like it's just, I thinkit's making people, I just think

(01:26:44):
it's making a lot of peoplelose their sense of
self-awareness, cause like I'llbe in the store and I'm always
like alert, you know, likecivilians walking in the door.
Civilians can say it's likePTSD, but it's just that is that
anyone who served in militaryand even anyone who has that
awareness.
It's like I want to kind of beaware of my surroundings.
Like I don't think that's aweird thing to want to be.

(01:27:05):
I mean, yeah, you see thatmotherfucker like he looks
really shady, yeah, he wouldlike.
And so I just you see more andmore people like not paying
attention, not being aware, oranything like that, and so I
think that I think it all tiesinto this ignorant man does not
know how little he knows whenit's like.

(01:27:25):
Yeah, man, we're losingself-awareness, I feel like it,
or it's just nobody.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
I don't know Well who like when you're around, like
people like who are just arandom group, who's usually like
talking the loudest and talkingthe most.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
I mean, it's the people who don't know anything.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
It's just people who like those people never shut the
fuck up.
That's the problem.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
Well, because they're just stating their opinion,
right, and their opinionsusually not informed.
But the problem is they don'tknow that, right Cause are they
read literally like we're at apoint now where people will read
a headline of an article andthat's it and that's their
source of information.
It's like did you read thearticle?

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
No, then shut the fuck up man.
Yeah, cause, especially newssources are really bad about
like eye-catching crazy you knowtitles that might not even
technically be correct.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
And they know that, like the people writing these
know that they know peoplearen't gonna click on them, they
just get you know, outraged andthe article has nothing to do
with the title, like that'spretty much how it is now, but,
and then that's followed by youbecome foolish by listening to
fools and I mean that's timeless.
Again, that's something thatyou don't have to be viking or

(01:28:44):
live in that time to evenunderstand.
That it's just.
And again, I think we live in atime where there's so much
access to information that youhave a lot of fools listening to
fools.
It's like the blind leading theblind.
You know there's a lot of echochambers on the internet.
Yeah, and like okay, that'scool, I guess You're insulating

(01:29:04):
yourself from any kind ofopposing ideas.
But then it's like is thatdoing any good?
All it's doing is reinforcingyour very, your opinion.
That can be very wrong, like,and if you're not willing to
admit that, that's a fuckingproblem.
Guess what?
You do not have wisdom.
You're the fool with the bellyEveryone's laughing at.
Look at that fool with hisbelly.

(01:29:25):
And you don't even have to bephysically fat, it's just you
lack knowledge.
So you are that person.
You've got a big belly and noteven physically.
Just you're fucking stupid.
Like Odin says, you're dumb.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
He has one eye and he can literally see how stupid
you are.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
Yeah, so here's a good like.
He goes into reputations aswell, right, reputation is a big
thing in here, like a legacyyou leave.
Costanzas 76 says cows die,family die.
You will die the same way, buta good reputation never dies for
the one who earns it.
Well, so, live a good life,right, create advice.

(01:30:08):
Yes, live a good life, be goodto people.
Try, or at least okay, I meantry to be good to people.
Right, that should be yourdefault, cause we're not gonna
be perfect.
But, in a nutshell, yeah, it'slike live a good life.
Try to be honorable, try tohave courage when you need it.
Take care of yourself, takecare of your community, your

(01:30:29):
friends, your family.
And, yes, granted, when we die,I mean we won't be remembered
by a lot of people, no, but then, but, we might have an impact
to where that's the importantpart, yes, where we do.
When we do die, our reputationwill live on through the people
we impacted, which that'sawesome.
Yeah, I mean like that's a coolthing.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
No matter how sure you are or how religious you are
, there is no guarantee to whatcomes after.
So, like what you leave behind,the relationships you've built,
like you said, the impactyou've made, that is what will
be remembered, man, and you knowwhat dude.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
It feels like Joe Rogan says this.
You know, a lot of times he'slike you know I feel selfish
because he's like I like beinggood to people because it makes
me feel good and I'm like youknow I don't.
Ok, you can say that selfish,but If being good to people
makes you feel good, then that'sjust a win-win.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
Yeah, who's losing in that scenario?

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
Exactly.
It's like you're still beinggood to people, you're still
being kind, you're still likeyou're still going to give your
shirt you know, the shirt offyour back to someone who needs
it.
I mean him.
I'm just saying in general,like you know, that's, that's
pretty standard.
Just live a good life.
And actually it's funny becauseI love the movie Gladiator.
I watched that last night.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
I asked OK, OK, OK.
So in the beginning, where hehe's like talking to his guys in
the in the forest, he's likewhat we do, what we do now,
we'll let go for it ever, youknow, in eternity, and like
that's the same thing.
He's like what we do, ouractions, are going to speak for
us when we're gone.
So live a good fucking life,man Be good to people.

(01:32:09):
Yeah, be good to people, shareyour knowledge freely.
That's the other thing.
Like about the Hava Mall islike to own and knowledge is
currency.
Wisdom is currency and like,like the example of me living on
the road, so you know, becauseof the experiences I had and the
people I was able to connectwith, that was currency for me

(01:32:33):
because it got me a place tostay, it got me like the
mechanics like totally hookingme up, not charging me for stuff
, and like it really helped meout.
Right, that was fuckingcurrency because I didn't have
to get a hotel, I didn't have toworry about food, like dude, I
got hooked up.
Man, yeah, and like a lot ofthat goes back to this knowledge
and wisdom is currency and I'dbe cool if people kind of saw it

(01:32:56):
like that now.
But I don't know, man, I thinkI think we're just getting a
little thin on wisdom, man, Ithink we're.
But then I see I sound like anold fucking man I don't know my
rent or fucking old kids,fucking.
They're ruining everything?
No, they're not.
But hey, man, times change,it's different man, society

(01:33:18):
changes, bro, it's like you gotto change with it or you don't
have to, but then it's like yougot to just find your place.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
Yeah, you kind of make yourself.
Yeah, I did.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
Yeah, this is funny.
I talk about like relationshipsand stuff.
This one and the Havama alsotalks a lot about like money and
finances and like being beingresponsible with your money.
So this stands at 79.
If an unwise man chances uponmoney or a woman's love, he will

(01:33:50):
grow more arrogant, but notmore intelligent.
He will be deceived about hisown worth.
So that's an interesting one,right.
It's like is she with himbecause he's like a good guy?
Is she with him because he'sgot money right and like in our
society?
Now the sad thing is is that,like a lot of those rich people,

(01:34:14):
they're not.
They're actually not like,they're not smart.
Right, Like it seems to be like, because I've come across a lot
of people that have a lot ofmoney and they're like, they're
kind of dumb sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
Well, I mean.
A lot of times those people arekind of like, you know, trust
fund babies, Like they're goingto be the one to, or money is
going to, breed money, you know,and like if they already have a
fucking hedge fund set up forthem, you know, before they're
even fucking, you know 21 yearsold.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
Obviously it's not that hard to be successful if
you start that way Well, andthen there's a huge difference
between people that accumulatetheir wealth through I started
my business from scratch versusthe person who's like oh, I got
a small loan of a milliondollars.
Donald Trump, yeah, I had ithard.

(01:35:01):
He gave me 10 million, that wasit.
It was a struggle, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
What do you mean?
I mean I'm not going to getpulled over.
I mean he obviously does have agood business tactics but still
, Well, it's even like JeffBezos.

Speaker 1 (01:35:13):
They're like he started Amazon in his garage
yeah, attached to, like hisparents, 5,000 square foot house
.
Like you know, he definitelyhad some resources.
Of course, all of that didn'tsucker all those people.
They exponentially creased it.
All these people that are superwealthy like very few of them
started from the bottom, thevery bottom, even Elon Musk,

(01:35:35):
because that is rich as fuck,like oil, diamonds, you know all
that stuff.
So it was like cool man, youknow good for you.
But there's something to besaid about the one who earned it
the hard way, like there'sdefinitely a different mindset.
Oh yeah, fucking hungry man,yes, yeah.
So basically what he's sayingis hey, man, even if you have

(01:35:56):
money and you can't like, thatdoesn't mean shit.
It means actually you're justgoing to be arrogant and you're
not going to be any smarterbecause you didn't earn that.
You know, because that's whathe's saying.
If an unwise man chances uponmoney, so Take lottery for
inheritance.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
Take the lottery, for example.
How many fucking people loseall their shit?

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
They lose all their money.
The percent is really high.
Yeah, because what they end updoing is they spend on a bunch
of dumb shit and then they start.
They typically start businessesthat always fail, and then they
just blow through the money,which is crazy Because, like
dude, you just have some fuckingdiscipline.
Man, like just set some of thatshit, as I know, isn't that
crazy.
Yeah, how like like that's, howmuch, like that's how powerful

(01:36:41):
money is, is it?
Just it makes people nuts,literally makes people crazy.
People do crazy shit for money,kill people fucking.
I was listening to a Jockopodcast today and he was so.
Smedley Butler is like aniconic figure in the Marine
Corps.
He was a.
He got two medals of honor butin 1934, he wrote a book called

(01:37:05):
War as a Racket.
He was very anti-war and it's ascathing rebuke of how the US
has used wars to profit, and sothat episode is basically just
talking about you know that,profiting profiting from from
war and all that stuff.

(01:37:27):
And yeah, I don't know, that'sa tough one because that shit
pisses me off.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
And people can just blow through it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
Yeah, yeah, and it's like OK, so the US spent like a
trillion dollars in Afghanistanover 20 years and what did we
get for it?
Nothing.
And how's nobody upset aboutlike that?
That boggles my mind.
Like so, technically, ourgovernment is that unwise man.
It's like we have not learnedanything.

(01:37:58):
Yeah, you know, over thesefailed wars that we fought.
So here we are fucking just allwill print more money.
That'll fix it.
I think that'll fix it, sure,so, yeah.
So these people are usuallydeceived by their own worth,
right?
So they got all this money.
They think they're worth, butthey're not because they didn't
earn it.
So look in life, this is thevalue of busting your ass and

(01:38:21):
earning shit, because it justfeels better and you get wisdom
from it.
Like you, you know that's a lotof what the Zen and Zen and the
art of motorcycle maintenancetalks about, kind of talks about
it.
He goes into why it's veryimportant to be OK.

(01:38:44):
So let's like, look at themotorcycle.
Like the value of knowing howto repair your own motorcycle.
He's like you will learn morethan a mechanic that's trained
to do more.
Like train to work onmotorcycles.
If you troubleshoot your ownbike, you do your own stuff
you're going to inevitably knowway more than the other mechanic
does, because you know yourbike now.

(01:39:04):
So I think you know, I thinkthat all kind of ties into this,
like there's, there's wisdomthat comes from struggle, right?
So someone changes upon money.
They didn't struggle to get itand you don't respect it.
Yeah, well, look at our societynow, dude.
It's like, look, you know, it'seasy, every generation was
shits on the other.
But like it's safe to say thatthe last couple of generations

(01:39:24):
have undoubtedly had benefitedfrom the previous ones and we've
had it so good.
And look what it's done.
It's made everyone feelentitled as fuck, everybody.
I don't give a fuck who you are, what you race, your
nationality is, if you're livingin the United States, you were
entitled, entitled as fuck.
But don't you know, don't tellthe social justice where is that

(01:39:49):
?
Because they'll fucking cryRage against the machine we need
communism, yeah, you go, go tofucking socials countries.
How you do, buddy yeah that'snot going to fucking, that's not
going to work.
I'm not going to worry how toget it.
They talk about all gone here,but I'm trying to find where he

(01:40:13):
I guess we kind of probably areto cover that with the weight.
You know what?
With glottening I mean, I likea little bit yeah yeah, but it
just goes back to the indulgenceand stuff like that.
But it's funny because he givesup other weird advice.
So here's stands at 82 chopwood when the wind blows, roll

(01:40:35):
your boat on a calm sea, courtof lover at night time.
For the day has many eyes.
Value is shipped for its speed,a shield for its protection, a
sword for its sharpness and awoman for her kiss.

Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
Hmm, yeah, that's an interesting one, so just
appreciate.
Yeah, thanks for what they are.

Speaker 1 (01:40:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's like I think the funny.
It's funny chop wood when Iknow that there's probably
something specifically rooted inthat culture that would chop,
because, like, I wouldn't chopwood when the wind's blowing
because, like, if I'm cuttingtrees down, that means those
fucking trees are going to beblown down.
Hmm, fucking falling down on me, but I definitely want to row a

(01:41:18):
boat on calm sea.
Yeah, these are all just littletidbits of like I don't know,
court of lover at nighttime,obviously, especially if you
want to keep it secret and, ofcourse, you value ship for speed
.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
So value things for what they are.
Yes, If it works smarter, notharder.
I feel like it's kind of You'reright, that's exact.

Speaker 1 (01:41:42):
You know what You're right Chopping wood, because the
window blow the rest of thetree down, so you don't only
have to chop a little bit of itI know he's referring to that or
if it helps keep you cool, well, I could.
It could, I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
I'm scanning.

Speaker 1 (01:41:55):
Maybe it's not like it's hot, they're cold as shit
anyway, but I like it.
You're that could be ontosomething, but it can mean that,
look, it can mean whatever thefucking, whatever you interpret
it.
To me that's the cool thingabout the Hava mall.
It's like, even though it'sjust like old thinking, it's
like it's still very relevantthinking because again, we are

(01:42:17):
like we're humans and eventhough our technology changes, I
think fundamentally, who we arewill just never change.
Ok, so I told you Odin had somenegativity to say about women,
so we're going to jump intostands.
84.

(01:42:37):
The sexist shield.
Let's go, yeah.
No man should trust the wordsof a girl, nor anything a woman
says.
Women's hearts are molded on awobbly wheel.
Faithlessness is planted attheir core.
First listen, I'm not condoningwhat Odin said, but I don't.

(01:43:00):
Who hurt you?
I know he got hurt bad.
Yeah, he got her real bad.
You know it's fucked up because, like he's talking to a witch,
a female woman, he woke her assup from dead.
You know it's like why got tobe a dick bro, you just woke
this woman up from her eternalsleep and you're just talking
shit about women.
It's like, trust me, you forshit.

(01:43:22):
I mean look man, it's you knowyou can replace that with Got
man.
I mean it's like yeah, men andwomen are like that.
It's definitely not just girlsor women, because there's plenty
of dudes who are just shitty.

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
I mean a lot of them are.
You think maybe he's just Iknow he's definitely being
sexist, obviously, but maybejust the the core differences
and emotional differencesbetween men and women, like you
think.

Speaker 1 (01:43:48):
I could be like me if we were to like bring him
forward in a modern day.
Yeah, sure, yeah, I could.
It's yeah, I would probably noteven just have it specific for
agenda.
I just like like, maybe youdon't always want to necessarily
trust the word of everybody,like, yeah, you don't, you don't
know, you know you don't, andthat's like.

(01:44:08):
The other thing with socialmedia is like it's hard to tell
what's real and what's not.
Who's telling the truth, who'snot as old as your motives?
Right, it's like nowadays itseems like everybody's got a
motive for something, like forsome reason, and that gets
tiring though.
Yeah, doesn't it?
That's what this shit gets, sotiring.
I don't know.
I thought you want to me.
Yeah, what the fuck do you wantfrom me?

(01:44:29):
Man, really, quickly, how longhave we been going?
We're like we're only about anhour 45.

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
Oh seriously, I felt like maybe this is we talked
beforehand.
Yeah, we did.

Speaker 1 (01:44:40):
So before we started recording I was taking Kiersani,
sonic Journey, some metal andsome music, some of my own tunes
that I've made.
Yeah, fucking, dj Hayes, djHayes, that's right, dj Hayes,
the machine.
I don't know if that would work.
Dj Hayes, that would work somuch.

(01:45:01):
So there's a lot going on inthe Havah Mall.
I would recommend JacksonCrawford's the Wanderers Havah
Mall.
It's like you can literallytake it within your small.
I got it when I went on theroad because I just thought it'd
be a kind of a neat thing tohave with me because it's called

(01:45:22):
the Wanderers, the WanderersHavah Mall.
So because he even goes furtherinto each stanza and kind of
breaks down maybe what it'ssaying and, man, it's like
really intense.
He goes into the linguisticnature of Old Norse, because you

(01:45:45):
can actually read it in OldNorse on the one side and then
it's translated in English yeah,so it's Old Norse on the one
side, holy fuck, that is yeah.
And then, and then the otherside, the English translated
version.
So, yeah, man, you can reallyget involved with this.
I don't know, man, you know theHavah Mall, like so many books

(01:46:07):
like this, it's just theknowledge in the parts is, I
think, something that can youknow you can.
You can just pick it up one dayand look through it and find
something that's relevant foryour life at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
And I can't help it.
I got to compare this.
I know a lot of people say thatthe Bible is like stuff that
carries over over periods oftime, and I feel like there's
definitely some comparisons.
Maybe you could be drawn, butimagine the Bible only, like you
know, eight times shorter andnot as convoluted with a bunch
of fucking stories.
That provides very similarwisdom.
Yeah, like you know, don't begluttonous.

(01:46:40):
The Bible is like it's prettyconvoluted.

Speaker 1 (01:46:44):
Yeah, I understand it doesn't act.
That's why I like the HavahMall and like even the whole
Nordic outlook was always justso much simpler.
Yeah, it's very like, very tothe point, very blunt, very, you
know, without all the trimmingson it, but it had its artist,
had like an artistry of its own,it had a cadence of its own
right, you know, because this is, it is a poem.

(01:47:04):
I mean, it is written in adeliberate way.
So I guess that seems to be thething about, about the Havah
Mall, you know.
So that's how it differs fromthe Bible, I think.
Yeah, the Bible is trying to,it's good, you know, talk about
parables and things like that,and the Havah Mall is just like
hey look, this is a modem.

(01:47:24):
And like this is a good way tolive.
Yeah, stay away from drinkingtoo much, don't eat too much,
travel widely, gain knowledgeand wisdom, treat your friends
your, treat your friends withrespect and give and take.
Don't be anybody's bitch though.
Yeah, don't take shit fromnobody.

(01:47:44):
Gator, don't take no shit fromno one.
That movie's been in my headfor some reason.
The other guy.

Speaker 2 (01:47:51):
OK, this is my gym.

Speaker 1 (01:47:55):
It's a good movie.
I think it's kind of underratedyeah, one of those under the
radar kind, but damn it.
So I think it's timeless.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
Yeah, it's like the Havah Mall and it's time he's
compared fucking welfare movieto the Havah Mall.
Holy shit.

Speaker 1 (01:48:10):
I mean, so that's like the Havah Mall in a shell
man, it's just.
It's just guide on simpleliving and, you know, appreciate
the life you've got, becausethis is it man.
You know, like that's the thingthat I think.
So, with a lot of Norsemythology, at the end of
Ragnarok they say that it isreborn and Thor's children

(01:48:33):
repopulate the world.
But I, there's people out therethat think that that's maybe a
later edition because it's veryChristian sounding.
Yeah, and that's not where theoriginal Norse worldview is.
That looks things end andthat's just the way it is Like
like they didn't really.
I mean they had a concept ofhell, but not like it wasn't a

(01:48:54):
punishment Just if you didn'tdie in combat.
You just you go to hell and youjust like you know you're not
being punished.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
But you're more like a purgatory Is actually not even
a purgatory.

Speaker 1 (01:49:05):
It's just there's no, no, it's nothing.
It's just you die and you gothere.
It's like you just don't go toValhalla because you didn't die
in combat.
That's the other cringy thing Ialways hear.
People are like what's someonenowadays dies like to Valhalla?
And it's like stop, stop sayingthat, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
Like the motherfucker choked on his chair.

Speaker 1 (01:49:23):
Yeah, that that place is exclusive for people that
died in combat.
Yeah, it's pretty specific.
Yeah, the pretty specific aboutwho gets into Valhalla Like he
ain't it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:33):
Sorry, your buddy.
Your buddy had a fucking heartattack.

Speaker 1 (01:49:35):
I'm sorry crash on a motorcycle and die.
You're not Sorry, bro, You'regoing to hell Like you're just
hanging out the normal peoplethat died of old age.
Yeah, because dying of old agewas like kind of like frown upon
.
Yeah, because you didn't die incombat.
So it's like it's crazy.
It is crazy but it kind ofshows you that the life they
lived right and it shows you thethings they valued, Like,

(01:49:57):
obviously, Marshall prowess waslike very important being able
to fight and like Die honorablywhere, yeah, I mean very
different culture, I think youknow so.
So, yeah, that's the hoveballin a shot.
I think that's all we're goingto really think.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
Yeah, I feel free to check out some standards
yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:50:18):
Yeah, man, dr Jackson Crawford's the Wanderers
hoveball.
It's definitely like my go to,and a lot of people have this
copy because it's very clear,it's very concise.
Yeah, man, so you got.
You got anything else?
No, sir, I'm good man, I thinkwe.

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
I think we did a pretty good job.
What do you think?
Yeah, I mean I've been wantingto cover the hoveball, the first
one, that first episode we didwas just this, didn't go through
to it.

Speaker 1 (01:50:42):
It was practice, let's practice.

Speaker 2 (01:50:43):
And we needed to do it because we did get some shit
figured out, like oh, we got athird microphone.

Speaker 1 (01:50:47):
Yes, sir, yeah.
So like in the very near future, we're going to start having
guests on.
I think that's going to bepretty cool.
That'll probably make ourepisodes longer, which would be
really cool.
Absolutely yeah, because we'llhave left.
I think we're going to havesome interesting people and and
we can fucking do phone calls.
So we still have to start that.

(01:51:07):
I am going to start reachingout.
I think we'll have to figure away to test that out.
Yeah, I think.
Oh, we got.
We got a competition coming upAugust 12th, right?
Yes, sir, you're going to doBluebell.
Yeah, are you doing Gia Nogi,or just what do you know, gia
Nogi?

Speaker 2 (01:51:22):
OK, cool.

Speaker 1 (01:51:22):
I think we're going to have some interesting people.
What do you know?
Gia Nogi, ok, cool, I thinkthat's what I'm going to do.
White belt Um, I was, I wasthinking about doing the, the
challenger, but if I'm, yeah, Iwould.
If I'm going to be in middleweight, I'm just going to do Gia
Nogi because, like, I'm justsaying, yeah, that's enough
matches Dude, I just don't feellike grappling someone with 250
pounds.
Then I come, I mean I will, butmaybe, maybe I'll do that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:46):
A blue belt or something like I'll Get a better
skill set, yeah, you know we'lljust challenger's just that's
what I've seen people do allthree and it's a very, very hard
day, Like you get a lot ofmatches doing for.
I told him that's a lot.
That's like even for him.
Like, if he has like which Ithink he will If he has multiple

(01:52:07):
people in each bracket, he isgoing to be suffering Like by
the end.

Speaker 1 (01:52:12):
I support it but, ok, man, toughest fucking nails,
fuck dude.
And he's young and hungry,disciplined, ready to get it.
Like that's the kind of personlike all right, man, like I
can't keep up with them, but I'mgoing to try.
Yeah, just kind of hang on, man, I'm going to try, but I don't
know it makes us all better.
So, yes, sir, yeah, so checkthe podcast out.

(01:52:33):
It is always up on all themajor podcast streaming
platforms like Spotify, applePodcast, google Play, audible,
amazon Music Game.
It were there.
Pod Podbean, podchaser, yeahman, yeah man, all of them uses
Podbean.
I think we've got a couple thatdo.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
OK, shout out to those people.

Speaker 1 (01:52:56):
I'm sorry, I feel like, because, like you know, on
the stats shows, you know, likethe platforms, obviously the
biggest one is Spotify andApple's second.
So it's like that's obviously,and Spotify is, I think, the
biggest podcasting platform.
It took over Apple, I think Wow.
So so, yeah, keep up to date.
You know again, we're we.

(01:53:17):
We chop episodes every otherWednesday.
Again, appreciate the support,we're going to keep bringing
episodes your way.
And we're, yeah, man, we'rejust going to keep moving
forward.

Speaker 2 (01:53:29):
Yeah, thank you guys very much for listening.

Speaker 1 (01:53:31):
All right, thank you all and we will see you all next
time.

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