April 30, 2024 • 30 mins
In this week's HEP-isode, the boys bare witness to a watershed moment in American labor history as the United Auto Workers plant a victory flag deep in the heart of the South at Volkswagen's Chattanooga plant, try to explain why everyone and their brother is putting a boom arm on their excavator, and ramble on like lunatics for a good 11 minutes. All this and the CIA's invisible purple paint, on HEP-isode 25!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's go.
Welcome back to anotherexciting episode of the Heavy
Equipment Podcast.
Your host, Joe Boris, as everwith Mike Hot, Mike Schweitzer
and Mike, is in the new officetoday.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I've been in this office for a little bit, but I'm
on the road this week trying tomove around.
So I'm in this office and thenyou know, we've got a lot of
good topics.
Today we're going to be talkingabout We've got the Chattanooga
plant where the ID4 is made us.
And then you know, we got a lotof good topics today we're
going to be talking about we got, we got the chattanooga plant
where the id4 is made.
They're gonna.
This is such a huge story yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
so this is crazy.
The uaw has put their littlefeelers into a number of these
european and japanese plantshave been opening up in the
south and for years they reallyhaven't gotten anywhere.
This is actually the third votethat has happened at the
Chattanooga plant and Volkswagenin particular has been accused
of like union busting anddifferent kinds of propaganda
(00:54):
and stuff like that.
And this most recent vote itpassed, I think, 73% pass rate.
There was a couple of peoplethat didn't vote, so there's not
like it was 73 to 27.
It was like 73 to 22 based onlike 5% abstaining, and that is
a huge, huge victory.
Now what's really interestinghere is that this is kind of the
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first non-American brand tohave a UAW chapter since
Mitsubishi left the normalIllinois plant, the diamond star
plant.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Let's not talk about that faithfulateful day and our
nation's mystery well, now,that's the ribion plant built.
You know, I know that was sad Iknow it was horrible, but they
had a massive strike down there.
They did, yeah, massive strikeso, but it was a six-week ordeal
and then, you know, they votedin the right to unionize and hey
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what did they get a wageincrease?
Of what was their, what wastheir overall increase.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
They don't have a contract yet.
What they're what they have isUAW representation.
So it's believed that they'regoing to get something similar
to what Ford and GM and thoseguys got as the current contract
.
Now that's going to beinteresting for two reasons.
Number one Volkswagensupposedly, according to them,
have been paying union wages.
We're going to see if that'strue or not real quick.
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That's going to affect thepension funds, it's going to
affect the insurance and thehealthcare costs.
But there's more to it than that, because if you look at some of
these political climates inthese southern states where
Mercedes is building cars, whereVolvo is building cars, where
Nissan's been building cars foryears, there are laws there that
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kind of try to limit unionrepresentation.
Right, and there's going to bea number of votes that happen
between May 13th and May 17th,so about a month from now,
that's going to be about another10,000 unionized auto workers.
If they all vote UAW, if theyall vote to accept that's going
to be Mercedes-Benz, Volvo,Nissan.
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That's 10,000 more members forthe UAW in really strong
anti-union states.
That is a huge, huge win forlabor.
You know UAW President Fain.
He's doing a great job.
We talk about the Teamsters alot on this show, I think,
because they are kind of, Ithink, a little more visible.
They're kind of funnier, youknow, like the Teamsters
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president guy trying to get in afight with people on the Senate
floor.
Good for him.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Quit the tough guy act and the Senate hearings.
You know where to find me Anyplace, any time.
Cowboy Sir, this is a time,this is a place If you want to
run your mouth.
We can be two consenting adults.
We can finish it here.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Okay, that's fine Perfect.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
You want to do it now ?
I'd love to do it right now.
Well, stand your butt up, thenyou.
Okay, that's fine, perfect.
You want to do it now?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I'd love to do it right now.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Well, stand your butt up then.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
You stand your butt up.
Oh, hold on, oh stop.
It Is that your solution?
But you know, Fane is veryquiet, but he's getting the job
done.
He's expanding the UAW in a waythat we haven't really seen
since the 60s and 70s, Certainlynot in our lifetime.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Well, and back when it expanded, back then they
needed it to.
Yeah, the big three were.
They were doing all kinds ofdifferent things cost strategies
and all kinds of stuff to makethemselves competitive and they
needed the unions to step upagain and become more prevalent,
because they needed betterwages.
They were going to lose people.
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You know, they'd come out ofthe era of the fifties where you
had people showing up to workthat were prideful in what they
were building not that theyweren't in the 60s and 70s, but
the mission was different andthe volume was different.
Then the volume ramps up, right, yeah.
Then people forget this too.
You know, in the 50s and or inand through the 60s, these cars
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are relatively hand-built.
Then it's more physical, but itwas at a slower pace, right,
you can only move so muchhandmade stuff.
You know, yeah, they had somerobotic-type manually-driven
welding equipment back then andthings of that nature.
But through the 70s theefficiency of the plants ramped
up.
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So you get all these workersworking side-by-side moving at a
ridiculous pace for the firsttime in history.
Then we get into the 80s.
The Japanese start moving in,they start revolutionizing how
they make vehicles and theystart looking at how they can
take the efficiencies and pushthem even further.
So they were cranking out.
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The movies were made about this.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Oh, that was one of the best ones.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Hey, today is the big day.
Give him hell boy.
Hey, I'll give it to him.
We're counting on you.
Hey, mrs Brian, yeah, this faceis on the case.
Hun Stevenson invited theJapanese.
You know, my dad was over herewith the army and I guess it was
1940.
Hey, did you decorate thisplace yourself to put his town
back to work?
Welcome to your first day withthe San Motus.
(05:53):
Now everything is on hisshoulders.
Let's do it, and do it our way.
I thought it handled great, andit's all in the hands of Ron
Howard, the director of Splashand Cocoon.
This is great.
What could possibly go wrong?
Good question, let's go findout.
We must be a team.
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In Japan, our goal is 0% ofdefense.
How'd you slip by?
Everyone's thinking only ofcompany.
See, we have our own way ofmaking cars.
This is Looney Tunes, looneyTunes.
I've heard a lot of talk abouthow good the Japanese
businessmen are.
Oh, I'm sorry, I don't get it.
I don't see it.
I'm not impressed.
You're fired, he's coming.
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I can't stand it anymore.
Safety glass you failed.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I can't stand it anymore.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Saves you glass, you fiend.
They're closing down thefactory and going back to Japan.
I'm calling all the guys andwe're coming over to get you.
Oh, stop, calm yourself.
At least take off your watch.
I would love another chance.
I know we could do better.
Can we do it?
Can we do it?
Can we do it to do better?
Can we do it?
Can we do it?
Can we do it?
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Paramount Pictures presents.
I came to tell you you weregreat tonight.
I was really proud of you.
Michael Keaton Whoa, yikes,whoops In a Ron Howard
production.
Is it just me or do you hatethe way your shorts feel when
they get wet?
I actually kind of like itReally.
Hey, gung-ho, that's all folks.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Well, but there was a lot of truth to that, because
they had Toyota at the time.
They had Honda was big and theywere showing people how to make
cars.
They're like, look, if you doit this way, you're going to put
out some automobiles, yeah, andall these things ramped up into
the 90s and then all the wayinto the 2000s.
Now we have.
Now we're putting out stuff atan enormous pace.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
So they're putting out vehicles now with technology
, with wiring harness, withconnectors that not only would
have been unheard of ageneration ago but wouldn't have
even been possible.
They'd look at you like youwere beaming this stuff in from
Area 51.
And it's just stuff that justcomes on cars now.
Night vision goggles I don'tknow if you remember this.
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It was like early 2000s.
They had to do a stop sale forthose early night vision
cadillac deville called dts,because these foreign
governments were buying them andputting that night vision stuff
on their, you know, on theirwar machines in the middle east.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
It was a problem, so yeah, ahead of their time, way
ahead of their time, I mean.
But you had to get out of thecountry club.
He got brought down on his brandnew dts and he thought he was
running apache helicopter homehe's got yeah, he's got the flat
brim hat, you know, with therope on top of it, and he's just
running away and golf clubs areall over the back of the car
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and every time he makes a turn,all them golf balls slap the
left side of the car.
He thought he was taking onenemy fire there's charlie's in
the trees oh yeah, oh yeah yeahall you did do it.
All you needed was the you know,the uh older neighbor that we
used to be an ex-door gunner,rolling the window down and
trying to fight somebody with anine iron oh my god and it all
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starts with the night vision.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
It all starts with the night vision.
It all starts with the nightvision.
You hear the golf balls.
All of a sudden, your old manstarts into.
Let me tell you about this time.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I was stationed in cambodia oh, jesus, and if you
had that on a dozer you know youhave that on a d9 some old tank
commander would go just haveflashbacks and freak out didn't.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Uh, what was that guy's name?
Haymeyer nemeyer, the guy thatwent crazy up there in gramby
the killdozer, yeah, thekilldozer, if he is.
That guy had night vision.
We never would have heard ofhim for another two days you
know what?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
somebody ought to gave uh, that concrete
contractor a bonus because whenhe got that thing hung up on
whatever concrete they made thatout of for that barrier wall,
that's the only reason theystopped that thing.
Yeah, I'll tell you something.
They should have lined up infront of that concrete plant.
He was the savior of the town.
He was going to take everybodyout and a barrier wall took him
out because some 6 000 psi mix.
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It shouldn't have been in there.
But they said ship it anyways,saved everybody in that town
generations from now, theyshould be kissing the concrete
that kept all those people aliveoh, it's so funny man that's a
spin on that.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
No one's heard before that is a spin on that that no
one's heard.
Well, maybe the one guy who'slike I told you that bollards
was the way to go.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
That'll keep back anything when that was going on
and the choppers were flyingaround that thing.
They're all ribbing each otherin the control room going till
he gets hung up on that.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
They're waiting for it.
It's like I know what's inthere, we're going to be fine.
He's standing on the other sideof it Like bring it on over
here, ed.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
That's right Well all right, they're yelling at me.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
We got to get away.
So I gotta ask you this manyou're, you're in this field,
you're in the uh constructionspace.
You buy a ton of equipment.
I always wonder when I start tosee like this kind of uh
convergence of design from thesemajor equipment manufacturers,
I always wonder if there'ssomething to that on the
purchasing side that's drivingthat.
So this week Volvo, ce,caterpillar and Hitachi have all
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made updates to theirexcavators and they are now
offering a straight boom fordemolition.
Now, these are all threecompanies that did not have a
straight boom last year and allthree of them, as of this week,
have a straight boom Volvo onthe EC500, caterpillar on the
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330, and Hitachi's updated theZaxxis 5.
So tell me what's going on, man.
There's got to be somethinghappening where all these
companies decided 2024, this isgoing to be the year we do this.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Well, first of all, the straight boom is nothing new
, okay.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Been around for years .
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Demolition.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
They had to go out and outsource them.
You know, young and before that, you had a bunch of guys, pure,
specific and jewel, before theygot bought up and dismantled.
They all made these things andyou had to go out and buy them.
I'm glad to see that the, theoems, come out and said, hey
look, rather than us go out andbuy these things and hand, put
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them on our own thing and putthe dealer through an upfit and
all that, let's just offer them.
Yeah, anytime you can getanything from the oem, it fixes
a bunch of problems.
One it's in's in their partscatalog.
So all the little fittings andlines and hose changes and all
the bracketry and all theintricacies of that particular
part that when you break it,damage it or have to repair it,
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you can go to the dealer andsupport it.
There's nothing worse, nothingon this planet worse than
calling when you tear somethingup or break it to the upfitter
and the guy goes, oh, geez, oh,I don't know, yeah, a long time
ago.
And you're like, yeah, I knowit was probably about a few
years ago, yeah, I don't know ifwe still got the drawings for
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that.
And in your heart sinks causeyou're like, oh for that.
And your heart sinks becauseyou're like, oh, this thing's
broken, smoking on a job siteand I gotta get this back up and
running.
So these guys are looking forthe blueprints.
I am so glad to see the oems doit and I think you're going to
see more and more of this, evenif they're outsourcing the
actual fabrication.
The boom to start with, it isintegrated into their part
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system and that's the biggerthing.
You can buy whatever you want.
It's keeping it running.
That's we talk about all thetime.
You have mining equipment andyou've got all this stuff.
How you support that and howyou keep it running is what's
important.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
It's great for the first week yeah, and you know
it's funny, we talk about thison the tuner side of things.
When you and I first met, wewere doing, you know,
performance cars, aftermarketperformance tuning.
We always talked about tryingto avoid a franken car because
you got turbos from one guy,intercoolers from another guy,
software from a third guy, andthen when it don't work right,
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they all start pointing thefinger at each other.
Meanwhile you're sitting thereon the side of the road with
nobody, you know, with novehicle, right.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
It crosses all industries it's the same crosses
all industries.
It's the same across allindustries.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Caterpillar actually references that in their press
release.
It's actually almost all aboutthe simplified maintenance and
operational schedule of thesedemolition excavators, Now that
it's part of the OEM catalog andthey actually give a number
here.
They say lowering long termowning and operating costs.
A number here.
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They say lowering long-termowning and operating costs.
All filters are now featureextended, synchronized
thousand-hour change intervals,grouped together long-life oil
air filters.
They talk about remotetroubleshoot, which is their
that's what they call theirremote diagnostic the ability to
get fault codes withoutinterrupting the production
cycle and without having tobring it into a dealer.
So, like half the press releaseabout this thing is all about
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how this is going to simplifymaintenance and enable, you know
, easier ordering and moreuptime.
So I think that's definitelygood stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
They're working heavily for the industry to get
to the longer uptime, longerservice intervals yeah, and
we've been through this beforeand we've looked at these when
people went from 250 hours to500, there's some 700 hour
interval stuff out there.
People are leery of it.
All comes back.
We have to remember it's whatyou're using it for.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
If you're in a corrosive, nasty environment
like a sulfur mine, thatthousand hour window, that's not
going to work yeah if you're inyou know prairie country and
you're out there with all themsod busters and you're pushing
out all kinds of stuff thatlasts because you're not.
You just don't have theelements out there tearing it up
chemically yeah, I keep goingback to that phosphate guy in
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florida just sitting on all thatdirt and sand for a hundred
years.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
And now he's got, you know, the hot ev battery mix.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
He's so happy right now, you know.
But yeah, so a lot of thatmaintenance related type stuff
is all.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
It's all still situational yeah, it's just
funny, like I think that youknow you look at the big trends
at least that I'm seeing in thepress releases that are coming
out from the manufacturers.
Number one, obviously you hitthe nail on the head.
It's about getting longerservice intervals.
It's about getting moredependable, easier to work on
stuff that's going to help allthe way down the line, because
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the dealers don't have enoughpeople to service these things
anyway.
So the ability to push that allout is going to buy them some
time to either staff up or comeup with something that's more
dependable.
It's not going to break as much.
The other thing is this kind ofbringing in house of what used
to be aftermarket upfitter typeoptions.
Volvo company in Sweden ownedby the Chinese, they're building
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this in Korea out of theirproduction facility in Korea.
So this is something that'sgoing to be global.
This is a global type productthat is going to take business,
obviously, away from theupfitters, away from the dealers
, but I think it's going to bein the long run, good for fleets
.
And the last thing that I thinkis the other big trend is kind
of moving towards this remoteoperation.
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There's a couple of things thatI wanted to talk about this
week.
But I thought now we've gotenough on our plate.
But everything seems to begoing remote operation, even the
Caterpillar.
You're operating a 30-tonexcavator remote.
You don't have a guy in the cab.
You've got a guy 100 feet awayand maybe you can operate down
the road five, 10 years.
Maybe one guy is operating twoor three machines at once with
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the software that's in there.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Well, definitely with the demolition industry, the
mining industry.
Not the demolitions repetitivelike mining, but anything you
can do to remove people out ofharm's way for a demolition
application.
That's going to be useful andpeople are going to need that.
The remote part of it is goingto be really cool and I think
it's only going to get betterand better.
It's going to get the customerbuy-in because on many levels
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you have the ownership buy-in ofthe customer.
So the owner-level group of acontractor or a fleet or
whatever you want to look at itfrom.
Whichever way they go, this isgreat, but the people that use
it, implement it and manage it,they're like I don't know about
this.
The 50 other things you broughtme said we're great, we're not.
Now is this going to be good oris it going to be a giant flop?
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And then, 90 days from now,it's not going to go well.
A year from now you're going tobe starting to yell at me and
two years from then, we're goingback to the way we did it
before and it was just a biglearning curve.
And that's real on many levels.
It's just like the electricequipment.
It's just like the hydrogenthat's coming up.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
And I know Biff is really upset because we talk.
So much about electric Biff,don't like it.
No, no, he gets all upset.
He's like yeah, let's talkabout heavy, heavy equipment,
but the heaviest equipment inthe world is powered by electric
.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
That's that 300-ton Liebherr crane thing.
There's another one right now.
There's a giant shovel.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
It has its own substation.
It has its own substation, soBiff, Biff, get with it.
This is what we're going to betalking about.
He's banging on the glass.
He's always banging on theglass.
It's like I'm watching themonkeys at the zoo.
They're all throwing stuff atme.
They're one step away from Ithink.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I think when that happens, not if, but when that
happens, then we'll switch over.
That'll be the first episode weput on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Oh, yeah for sure.
Yeah, exactly, you know.
Listen, the day I got to do apodcast surrounding myself and
chicken wire, because I gotstuff being thrown at me and I
need a good safety net.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Oh, like the original Roadhouse.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I've ever been amped up.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Exactly, oh, like the blind guy.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
They're just throwing bottles at it.
One, two, three Escort thisgentleman to the door, come on.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Did you see that shit ?
Yeah, who is that?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
guy.
He's good, he's real good.
The name is Dolan.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
He's just playing his blues, it's a great scene.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
You know that guy died.
The guy died from an overdose.
No, I didn't know that he couldplay, though he was really good
play the blind guy was.
Those are real, you know.
He was a good artist, but thenhe but he passed away, you know.
So you know, if I don't knowwhat biff wants to talk about,
are we going to talk aboutmexico and what's made down
there?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
is that what you boys like, mexico?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
yeah, exactly, I think that's what he wants, you
know, yeah well, we could dothat.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
You know it was, uh, it was interesting.
So this is that big peterbilt.
So peterbilt's got a fleet ofthese class 8 heavy duty
electrics and they're runningthem out of the port of long
beach and port of la and thejust this past week actually
last friday the first evertransnational electric freight
run is this is a standardfreight run.
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They were calling stuff throughwent from san diego to tijuana,
mexico.
That's the happiest place onearth, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah, if you like dogs,if you like ponies.
The baja.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
It is, yeah, that's.
Uh.
Yeah, well, jc ventura's downthere.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
They got fish tacos they do indeed baja style, one
might say you know?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I mean, maybe they're gonna paint these uh all
electric class a trucks that uhsecret cia mauve color that no
one can see because it's soplainly put right in front of
them.
I don't know about this.
What are you talking about?
The listeners need to look thisup.
Jesse ventura goes on a rantabout this.
It's and I and I'm beingserious the cia made a color
mauve that is so plainly seen bythe naked eye that it becomes
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invisible at some point.
I started reading about thisand, and he goes on, he goes on
talking about this.
We got, we got to get him onhere, we got to get the former
governor of minnesota on thepodcast, because he's got good
points about stuff and I'mcurious about his heavy
equipment, his heavy equipmentoccupant.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
So apparently so I'm, I'm gonna be on some kind of
list.
So I I've looked this up.
Apparently you're nothallucinating and it is oh, this
is the thing.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
You guys think I'm always on drugs or drunk, but
I'm telling you I don't.
I always pull this.
You guys think I pull thisstuff out of thin air and I'm
telling you it's real so you canbuy this stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
It's bare gladiola uh .
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Mq459 is the paint code wow I'm gonna do my house
in this the neighborhood kidswill just run right into it like
birds into the window.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Yeah, exactly what was that?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
scene.
Uh, that was the, the birdswith tippy hedron where they all
start just like wangingthemselves into the window yeah,
yeah, exactly, they werekilling people and yeah, alfred
hitchcock.
Yeah, that's a good one.
You know, I'd say we shouldrefilm that in ohio.
But those cr.
You don't need a hundred ofthose things to be scary.
Just one of them chasing you isbad.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Those crows are nasty .
Speaker 3 (24:02):
My deal is feeding them pancakes for years.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
You know what, when a crow flies down out of the
trees and he's got ears of cornand he's asking you to boil them
because he'll be back later,you just drop them on your deck.
Yeah, that's when you gotproblems.
Oh, absolutely.
I thought he was on acid forquite a long time and then one
day the thing showed up with afork, syrup and a knife and some
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butter like oh my god, a littlebib on him.
Like yeah, exactly yeah, hetook it from a baby.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, I was wondering about that.
I remember him telling me aboutthat.
He's talking to me about how hehad these crows trained and
that they were trained so goodthat every sunday morning at 8
am they'd go outside and startcalling for him to bring them
pancakes.
And I was like, are you sureyou're the one who has them
trained?
Because, uh, I hate to be thisguy no, they, yeah, yeah, they
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had.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Let me tell you I have never seen anything weird
like that.
But the truth is is when youfeed something and you start
throwing you know old bread andstuff out and things realize
it's going to be out there,they're coming back that's how
you ended up with me.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
What that's that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
It's like a cat, right.
I threw it some hot dogs andsome pizza and he never went
away that's it.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
You and I met at that table, at lorenzo's, in that
big meeting with your brother.
And then I was, and you werelike here, have some breadsticks
.
You haven't gotten rid of mesince it's been 15 years, I know
well, this one gives mebreadsticks.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I'll be back tomorrow , you know getting back to the
podcast Uh-oh, no, seriously,we're going to call somebody.
We're going to get somebody onthe phone to talk about the
current telematics needs andwhat's being done.
We have the guy.
(25:56):
You know who you are.
I have just the guy.
You need to come know who youare.
I have just the guy.
You need to come on the show Ihave just the guy for this.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
You're gonna think I'm insane.
Dj steve schwinke is theabsolute guy for this.
I'm gonna give you a rundownthis guy's resume.
He was the og developer of theonstar satellite network and
telematics for general motors inthe 90s, and now he's a dj oh
(26:24):
yeah, we got to get him on herewith ethan.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
He's the originator and ethan's peddling what is now
the 30 years later, of hisbecoming we'll do a uh, we'll do
our first ever hep conferencecall.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
That'll be a good one I think that'll be awesome
actually we'll need a moderatorand an attorney.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Oh, yeah, yeah, there'll be a lot of, there'll
be a lot of mic muting wherethey're gonna be like you can't
say that they're gonna thinkwe're just all over there like
running hezbollah or somethingbeep you know it's gonna be a
good one yeah we're speaking ofuh, speaking of having an
attorney on retainer.
You're on your way to las vegasnext week actually tomorrow,
(27:09):
tomorrow I fly out early in themorning, I'm packing a bag, I'm
leaving.
Actually it's just a quick, uhquick trip about introducing ev
to your fleet and what some ofthe charging looks like, what
some of the costs look likepractical, what may not be
practical with today's offerings, and that's the key thing that
everybody is looking at what dothey have offered today?
(27:32):
I know there's so much on thehorizon, there's so much
technology coming off.
Look at where we were threeyears ago.
Look at where we are today.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Look at a year ago.
Like a year ago, we weretalking about man.
Wouldn't it be cool to have 500kilowatt charging?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
And Biff just went home.
He literally flipped me off andwalked out of the booth.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
He's got a Tesla, why is?
He leaving now.
I know I know, know, I'm sickof this electric stuff.
Tesla, drive me home, that'sexactly what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah, yeah tire noise he complained to me the other
day.
He was going down the road anda big truck passed him.
He's like these older trucks, Idon't know why they're still on
the road.
It passed me and I could evenhear the radio anymore and I was
(28:27):
like and you're the one thatwants to talk about heavy, heavy
, heavy iron metal clankingnon-stop, which is great until
you're a special foundry episodefor him the steel equipment of
the 1800s.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Dad, why did you bring me to a gay steel mill?
I don't know, son I got nothing.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I got nothing that's the best simpsons ever, oh my
God.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Lisa needs braces.
That was when the Chattanoogavote was happening.
I kept texting you Lisa needsbraces.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Lisa needs braces.
I'm like, what are you talkingabout?
Your daughter's name isn't Lisa.
I'm like, I'm so lost.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
This is a good one, all right, I think we're done.
Thanks for listening.
This is a good one, all right,I think we're done.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Thanks for listening.
This is a short one.
We keep going.
I can talk about other colors.
The CIA developed.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I'm done.
Let's go.
Welcome back to anotherexciting episode of the Heavy
Equipment Podcast.
Your host, Joe Boris, as everwith Mike Hot, Mike Schweitzer
and Mike, is in the new officetoday.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I've been in this office for a little bit, but I'm
on the road this week trying tomove around.
So I'm in this office and thenyou know, we've got a lot of
good topics.
Today we're going to be talkingabout We've got the Chattanooga
plant where the ID4 is made us.
And then you know, we got a lotof good topics today we're
going to be talking about we got, we got the chattanooga plant
where the id4 is made.
They're gonna.
This is such a huge story yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
so this is crazy.
The uaw has put their littlefeelers into a number of these
european and japanese plantshave been opening up in the
south and for years they reallyhaven't gotten anywhere.
This is actually the third votethat has happened at the
Chattanooga plant and Volkswagenin particular has been accused
of like union busting anddifferent kinds of propaganda
(00:54):
and stuff like that.
And this most recent vote itpassed, I think, 73% pass rate.
There was a couple of peoplethat didn't vote, so there's not
like it was 73 to 27.
It was like 73 to 22 based onlike 5% abstaining, and that is
a huge, huge victory.
Now what's really interestinghere is that this is kind of the
(01:14):
first non-American brand tohave a UAW chapter since
Mitsubishi left the normalIllinois plant, the diamond star
plant.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Let's not talk about that faithfulateful day and our
nation's mystery well, now,that's the ribion plant built.
You know, I know that was sad Iknow it was horrible, but they
had a massive strike down there.
They did, yeah, massive strikeso, but it was a six-week ordeal
and then, you know, they votedin the right to unionize and hey
(01:48):
what did they get a wageincrease?
Of what was their, what wastheir overall increase.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
They don't have a contract yet.
What they're what they have isUAW representation.
So it's believed that they'regoing to get something similar
to what Ford and GM and thoseguys got as the current contract
.
Now that's going to beinteresting for two reasons.
Number one Volkswagensupposedly, according to them,
have been paying union wages.
We're going to see if that'strue or not real quick.
(02:16):
That's going to affect thepension funds, it's going to
affect the insurance and thehealthcare costs.
But there's more to it than that, because if you look at some of
these political climates inthese southern states where
Mercedes is building cars, whereVolvo is building cars, where
Nissan's been building cars foryears, there are laws there that
(02:38):
kind of try to limit unionrepresentation.
Right, and there's going to bea number of votes that happen
between May 13th and May 17th,so about a month from now,
that's going to be about another10,000 unionized auto workers.
If they all vote UAW, if theyall vote to accept that's going
to be Mercedes-Benz, Volvo,Nissan.
(02:58):
That's 10,000 more members forthe UAW in really strong
anti-union states.
That is a huge, huge win forlabor.
You know UAW President Fain.
He's doing a great job.
We talk about the Teamsters alot on this show, I think,
because they are kind of, Ithink, a little more visible.
They're kind of funnier, youknow, like the Teamsters
(03:20):
president guy trying to get in afight with people on the Senate
floor.
Good for him.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Quit the tough guy act and the Senate hearings.
You know where to find me Anyplace, any time.
Cowboy Sir, this is a time,this is a place If you want to
run your mouth.
We can be two consenting adults.
We can finish it here.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Okay, that's fine Perfect.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
You want to do it now ?
I'd love to do it right now.
Well, stand your butt up, thenyou.
Okay, that's fine, perfect.
You want to do it now?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I'd love to do it right now.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Well, stand your butt up then.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
You stand your butt up.
Oh, hold on, oh stop.
It Is that your solution?
But you know, Fane is veryquiet, but he's getting the job
done.
He's expanding the UAW in a waythat we haven't really seen
since the 60s and 70s, Certainlynot in our lifetime.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Well, and back when it expanded, back then they
needed it to.
Yeah, the big three were.
They were doing all kinds ofdifferent things cost strategies
and all kinds of stuff to makethemselves competitive and they
needed the unions to step upagain and become more prevalent,
because they needed betterwages.
They were going to lose people.
(04:20):
You know, they'd come out ofthe era of the fifties where you
had people showing up to workthat were prideful in what they
were building not that theyweren't in the 60s and 70s, but
the mission was different andthe volume was different.
Then the volume ramps up, right, yeah.
Then people forget this too.
You know, in the 50s and or inand through the 60s, these cars
(04:41):
are relatively hand-built.
Then it's more physical, but itwas at a slower pace, right,
you can only move so muchhandmade stuff.
You know, yeah, they had somerobotic-type manually-driven
welding equipment back then andthings of that nature.
But through the 70s theefficiency of the plants ramped
up.
(05:01):
So you get all these workersworking side-by-side moving at a
ridiculous pace for the firsttime in history.
Then we get into the 80s.
The Japanese start moving in,they start revolutionizing how
they make vehicles and theystart looking at how they can
take the efficiencies and pushthem even further.
So they were cranking out.
(05:23):
The movies were made about this.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Oh, that was one of the best ones.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Hey, today is the big day.
Give him hell boy.
Hey, I'll give it to him.
We're counting on you.
Hey, mrs Brian, yeah, this faceis on the case.
Hun Stevenson invited theJapanese.
You know, my dad was over herewith the army and I guess it was
1940.
Hey, did you decorate thisplace yourself to put his town
back to work?
Welcome to your first day withthe San Motus.
(05:53):
Now everything is on hisshoulders.
Let's do it, and do it our way.
I thought it handled great, andit's all in the hands of Ron
Howard, the director of Splashand Cocoon.
This is great.
What could possibly go wrong?
Good question, let's go findout.
We must be a team.
(06:16):
In Japan, our goal is 0% ofdefense.
How'd you slip by?
Everyone's thinking only ofcompany.
See, we have our own way ofmaking cars.
This is Looney Tunes, looneyTunes.
I've heard a lot of talk abouthow good the Japanese
businessmen are.
Oh, I'm sorry, I don't get it.
I don't see it.
I'm not impressed.
You're fired, he's coming.
(06:39):
I can't stand it anymore.
Safety glass you failed.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I can't stand it anymore.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Saves you glass, you fiend.
They're closing down thefactory and going back to Japan.
I'm calling all the guys andwe're coming over to get you.
Oh, stop, calm yourself.
At least take off your watch.
I would love another chance.
I know we could do better.
Can we do it?
Can we do it?
Can we do it to do better?
Can we do it?
Can we do it?
Can we do it?
(07:07):
Paramount Pictures presents.
I came to tell you you weregreat tonight.
I was really proud of you.
Michael Keaton Whoa, yikes,whoops In a Ron Howard
production.
Is it just me or do you hatethe way your shorts feel when
they get wet?
I actually kind of like itReally.
Hey, gung-ho, that's all folks.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Well, but there was a lot of truth to that, because
they had Toyota at the time.
They had Honda was big and theywere showing people how to make
cars.
They're like, look, if you doit this way, you're going to put
out some automobiles, yeah, andall these things ramped up into
the 90s and then all the wayinto the 2000s.
Now we have.
Now we're putting out stuff atan enormous pace.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
So they're putting out vehicles now with technology
, with wiring harness, withconnectors that not only would
have been unheard of ageneration ago but wouldn't have
even been possible.
They'd look at you like youwere beaming this stuff in from
Area 51.
And it's just stuff that justcomes on cars now.
Night vision goggles I don'tknow if you remember this.
(08:15):
It was like early 2000s.
They had to do a stop sale forthose early night vision
cadillac deville called dts,because these foreign
governments were buying them andputting that night vision stuff
on their, you know, on theirwar machines in the middle east.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
It was a problem, so yeah, ahead of their time, way
ahead of their time, I mean.
But you had to get out of thecountry club.
He got brought down on his brandnew dts and he thought he was
running apache helicopter homehe's got yeah, he's got the flat
brim hat, you know, with therope on top of it, and he's just
running away and golf clubs areall over the back of the car
(08:51):
and every time he makes a turn,all them golf balls slap the
left side of the car.
He thought he was taking onenemy fire there's charlie's in
the trees oh yeah, oh yeah yeahall you did do it.
All you needed was the you know,the uh older neighbor that we
used to be an ex-door gunner,rolling the window down and
trying to fight somebody with anine iron oh my god and it all
(09:14):
starts with the night vision.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
It all starts with the night vision.
It all starts with the nightvision.
You hear the golf balls.
All of a sudden, your old manstarts into.
Let me tell you about this time.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I was stationed in cambodia oh, jesus, and if you
had that on a dozer you know youhave that on a d9 some old tank
commander would go just haveflashbacks and freak out didn't.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Uh, what was that guy's name?
Haymeyer nemeyer, the guy thatwent crazy up there in gramby
the killdozer, yeah, thekilldozer, if he is.
That guy had night vision.
We never would have heard ofhim for another two days you
know what?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
somebody ought to gave uh, that concrete
contractor a bonus because whenhe got that thing hung up on
whatever concrete they made thatout of for that barrier wall,
that's the only reason theystopped that thing.
Yeah, I'll tell you something.
They should have lined up infront of that concrete plant.
He was the savior of the town.
He was going to take everybodyout and a barrier wall took him
out because some 6 000 psi mix.
(10:07):
It shouldn't have been in there.
But they said ship it anyways,saved everybody in that town
generations from now, theyshould be kissing the concrete
that kept all those people aliveoh, it's so funny man that's a
spin on that.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
No one's heard before that is a spin on that that no
one's heard.
Well, maybe the one guy who'slike I told you that bollards
was the way to go.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
That'll keep back anything when that was going on
and the choppers were flyingaround that thing.
They're all ribbing each otherin the control room going till
he gets hung up on that.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
They're waiting for it.
It's like I know what's inthere, we're going to be fine.
He's standing on the other sideof it Like bring it on over
here, ed.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
That's right Well all right, they're yelling at me.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
We got to get away.
So I gotta ask you this manyou're, you're in this field,
you're in the uh constructionspace.
You buy a ton of equipment.
I always wonder when I start tosee like this kind of uh
convergence of design from thesemajor equipment manufacturers,
I always wonder if there'ssomething to that on the
purchasing side that's drivingthat.
So this week Volvo, ce,caterpillar and Hitachi have all
(11:23):
made updates to theirexcavators and they are now
offering a straight boom fordemolition.
Now, these are all threecompanies that did not have a
straight boom last year and allthree of them, as of this week,
have a straight boom Volvo onthe EC500, caterpillar on the
(11:44):
330, and Hitachi's updated theZaxxis 5.
So tell me what's going on, man.
There's got to be somethinghappening where all these
companies decided 2024, this isgoing to be the year we do this.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Well, first of all, the straight boom is nothing new
, okay.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Been around for years .
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Demolition.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
They had to go out and outsource them.
You know, young and before that, you had a bunch of guys, pure,
specific and jewel, before theygot bought up and dismantled.
They all made these things andyou had to go out and buy them.
I'm glad to see that the, theoems, come out and said, hey
look, rather than us go out andbuy these things and hand, put
(12:24):
them on our own thing and putthe dealer through an upfit and
all that, let's just offer them.
Yeah, anytime you can getanything from the oem, it fixes
a bunch of problems.
One it's in's in their partscatalog.
So all the little fittings andlines and hose changes and all
the bracketry and all theintricacies of that particular
part that when you break it,damage it or have to repair it,
(12:47):
you can go to the dealer andsupport it.
There's nothing worse, nothingon this planet worse than
calling when you tear somethingup or break it to the upfitter
and the guy goes, oh, geez, oh,I don't know, yeah, a long time
ago.
And you're like, yeah, I knowit was probably about a few
years ago, yeah, I don't know ifwe still got the drawings for
(13:09):
that.
And in your heart sinks causeyou're like, oh for that.
And your heart sinks becauseyou're like, oh, this thing's
broken, smoking on a job siteand I gotta get this back up and
running.
So these guys are looking forthe blueprints.
I am so glad to see the oems doit and I think you're going to
see more and more of this, evenif they're outsourcing the
actual fabrication.
The boom to start with, it isintegrated into their part
(13:29):
system and that's the biggerthing.
You can buy whatever you want.
It's keeping it running.
That's we talk about all thetime.
You have mining equipment andyou've got all this stuff.
How you support that and howyou keep it running is what's
important.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
It's great for the first week yeah, and you know
it's funny, we talk about thison the tuner side of things.
When you and I first met, wewere doing, you know,
performance cars, aftermarketperformance tuning.
We always talked about tryingto avoid a franken car because
you got turbos from one guy,intercoolers from another guy,
software from a third guy, andthen when it don't work right,
(14:02):
they all start pointing thefinger at each other.
Meanwhile you're sitting thereon the side of the road with
nobody, you know, with novehicle, right.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
It crosses all industries it's the same crosses
all industries.
It's the same across allindustries.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Caterpillar actually references that in their press
release.
It's actually almost all aboutthe simplified maintenance and
operational schedule of thesedemolition excavators, Now that
it's part of the OEM catalog andthey actually give a number
here.
They say lowering long termowning and operating costs.
A number here.
(14:35):
They say lowering long-termowning and operating costs.
All filters are now featureextended, synchronized
thousand-hour change intervals,grouped together long-life oil
air filters.
They talk about remotetroubleshoot, which is their
that's what they call theirremote diagnostic the ability to
get fault codes withoutinterrupting the production
cycle and without having tobring it into a dealer.
So, like half the press releaseabout this thing is all about
(14:56):
how this is going to simplifymaintenance and enable, you know
, easier ordering and moreuptime.
So I think that's definitelygood stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
They're working heavily for the industry to get
to the longer uptime, longerservice intervals yeah, and
we've been through this beforeand we've looked at these when
people went from 250 hours to500, there's some 700 hour
interval stuff out there.
People are leery of it.
All comes back.
We have to remember it's whatyou're using it for.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
If you're in a corrosive, nasty environment
like a sulfur mine, thatthousand hour window, that's not
going to work yeah if you're inyou know prairie country and
you're out there with all themsod busters and you're pushing
out all kinds of stuff thatlasts because you're not.
You just don't have theelements out there tearing it up
chemically yeah, I keep goingback to that phosphate guy in
(15:51):
florida just sitting on all thatdirt and sand for a hundred
years.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
And now he's got, you know, the hot ev battery mix.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
He's so happy right now, you know.
But yeah, so a lot of thatmaintenance related type stuff
is all.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
It's all still situational yeah, it's just
funny, like I think that youknow you look at the big trends
at least that I'm seeing in thepress releases that are coming
out from the manufacturers.
Number one, obviously you hitthe nail on the head.
It's about getting longerservice intervals.
It's about getting moredependable, easier to work on
stuff that's going to help allthe way down the line, because
(16:28):
the dealers don't have enoughpeople to service these things
anyway.
So the ability to push that allout is going to buy them some
time to either staff up or comeup with something that's more
dependable.
It's not going to break as much.
The other thing is this kind ofbringing in house of what used
to be aftermarket upfitter typeoptions.
Volvo company in Sweden ownedby the Chinese, they're building
(16:51):
this in Korea out of theirproduction facility in Korea.
So this is something that'sgoing to be global.
This is a global type productthat is going to take business,
obviously, away from theupfitters, away from the dealers
, but I think it's going to bein the long run, good for fleets
.
And the last thing that I thinkis the other big trend is kind
of moving towards this remoteoperation.
(17:14):
There's a couple of things thatI wanted to talk about this
week.
But I thought now we've gotenough on our plate.
But everything seems to begoing remote operation, even the
Caterpillar.
You're operating a 30-tonexcavator remote.
You don't have a guy in the cab.
You've got a guy 100 feet awayand maybe you can operate down
the road five, 10 years.
Maybe one guy is operating twoor three machines at once with
(17:36):
the software that's in there.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Well, definitely with the demolition industry, the
mining industry.
Not the demolitions repetitivelike mining, but anything you
can do to remove people out ofharm's way for a demolition
application.
That's going to be useful andpeople are going to need that.
The remote part of it is goingto be really cool and I think
it's only going to get betterand better.
It's going to get the customerbuy-in because on many levels
(18:02):
you have the ownership buy-in ofthe customer.
So the owner-level group of acontractor or a fleet or
whatever you want to look at itfrom.
Whichever way they go, this isgreat, but the people that use
it, implement it and manage it,they're like I don't know about
this.
The 50 other things you broughtme said we're great, we're not.
Now is this going to be good oris it going to be a giant flop?
(18:25):
And then, 90 days from now,it's not going to go well.
A year from now you're going tobe starting to yell at me and
two years from then, we're goingback to the way we did it
before and it was just a biglearning curve.
And that's real on many levels.
It's just like the electricequipment.
It's just like the hydrogenthat's coming up.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
And I know Biff is really upset because we talk.
So much about electric Biff,don't like it.
No, no, he gets all upset.
He's like yeah, let's talkabout heavy, heavy equipment,
but the heaviest equipment inthe world is powered by electric
.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
That's that 300-ton Liebherr crane thing.
There's another one right now.
There's a giant shovel.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
It has its own substation.
It has its own substation, soBiff, Biff, get with it.
This is what we're going to betalking about.
He's banging on the glass.
He's always banging on theglass.
It's like I'm watching themonkeys at the zoo.
They're all throwing stuff atme.
They're one step away from Ithink.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I think when that happens, not if, but when that
happens, then we'll switch over.
That'll be the first episode weput on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Oh, yeah for sure.
Yeah, exactly, you know.
Listen, the day I got to do apodcast surrounding myself and
chicken wire, because I gotstuff being thrown at me and I
need a good safety net.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Oh, like the original Roadhouse.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I've ever been amped up.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Exactly, oh, like the blind guy.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
They're just throwing bottles at it.
One, two, three Escort thisgentleman to the door, come on.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Did you see that shit ?
Yeah, who is that?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
guy.
He's good, he's real good.
The name is Dolan.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
He's just playing his blues, it's a great scene.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
You know that guy died.
The guy died from an overdose.
No, I didn't know that he couldplay, though he was really good
play the blind guy was.
Those are real, you know.
He was a good artist, but thenhe but he passed away, you know.
So you know, if I don't knowwhat biff wants to talk about,
are we going to talk aboutmexico and what's made down
there?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
is that what you boys like, mexico?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
yeah, exactly, I think that's what he wants, you
know, yeah well, we could dothat.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
You know it was, uh, it was interesting.
So this is that big peterbilt.
So peterbilt's got a fleet ofthese class 8 heavy duty
electrics and they're runningthem out of the port of long
beach and port of la and thejust this past week actually
last friday the first evertransnational electric freight
run is this is a standardfreight run.
(21:43):
They were calling stuff throughwent from san diego to tijuana,
mexico.
That's the happiest place onearth, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah, if you like dogs,if you like ponies.
The baja.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
It is, yeah, that's.
Uh.
Yeah, well, jc ventura's downthere.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
They got fish tacos they do indeed baja style, one
might say you know?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I mean, maybe they're gonna paint these uh all
electric class a trucks that uhsecret cia mauve color that no
one can see because it's soplainly put right in front of
them.
I don't know about this.
What are you talking about?
The listeners need to look thisup.
Jesse ventura goes on a rantabout this.
It's and I and I'm beingserious the cia made a color
mauve that is so plainly seen bythe naked eye that it becomes
(22:34):
invisible at some point.
I started reading about thisand, and he goes on, he goes on
talking about this.
We got, we got to get him onhere, we got to get the former
governor of minnesota on thepodcast, because he's got good
points about stuff and I'mcurious about his heavy
equipment, his heavy equipmentoccupant.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
So apparently so I'm, I'm gonna be on some kind of
list.
So I I've looked this up.
Apparently you're nothallucinating and it is oh, this
is the thing.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
You guys think I'm always on drugs or drunk, but
I'm telling you I don't.
I always pull this.
You guys think I pull thisstuff out of thin air and I'm
telling you it's real so you canbuy this stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
It's bare gladiola uh .
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Mq459 is the paint code wow I'm gonna do my house
in this the neighborhood kidswill just run right into it like
birds into the window.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Yeah, exactly what was that?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
scene.
Uh, that was the, the birdswith tippy hedron where they all
start just like wangingthemselves into the window yeah,
yeah, exactly, they werekilling people and yeah, alfred
hitchcock.
Yeah, that's a good one.
You know, I'd say we shouldrefilm that in ohio.
But those cr.
You don't need a hundred ofthose things to be scary.
Just one of them chasing you isbad.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Those crows are nasty .
Speaker 3 (24:02):
My deal is feeding them pancakes for years.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
You know what, when a crow flies down out of the
trees and he's got ears of cornand he's asking you to boil them
because he'll be back later,you just drop them on your deck.
Yeah, that's when you gotproblems.
Oh, absolutely.
I thought he was on acid forquite a long time and then one
day the thing showed up with afork, syrup and a knife and some
(24:26):
butter like oh my god, a littlebib on him.
Like yeah, exactly yeah, hetook it from a baby.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, I was wondering about that.
I remember him telling me aboutthat.
He's talking to me about how hehad these crows trained and
that they were trained so goodthat every sunday morning at 8
am they'd go outside and startcalling for him to bring them
pancakes.
And I was like, are you sureyou're the one who has them
trained?
Because, uh, I hate to be thisguy no, they, yeah, yeah, they
(24:59):
had.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Let me tell you I have never seen anything weird
like that.
But the truth is is when youfeed something and you start
throwing you know old bread andstuff out and things realize
it's going to be out there,they're coming back that's how
you ended up with me.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
What that's that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
It's like a cat, right.
I threw it some hot dogs andsome pizza and he never went
away that's it.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
You and I met at that table, at lorenzo's, in that
big meeting with your brother.
And then I was, and you werelike here, have some breadsticks
.
You haven't gotten rid of mesince it's been 15 years, I know
well, this one gives mebreadsticks.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I'll be back tomorrow , you know getting back to the
podcast Uh-oh, no, seriously,we're going to call somebody.
We're going to get somebody onthe phone to talk about the
current telematics needs andwhat's being done.
We have the guy.
(25:56):
You know who you are.
I have just the guy.
You need to come know who youare.
I have just the guy.
You need to come on the show Ihave just the guy for this.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
You're gonna think I'm insane.
Dj steve schwinke is theabsolute guy for this.
I'm gonna give you a rundownthis guy's resume.
He was the og developer of theonstar satellite network and
telematics for general motors inthe 90s, and now he's a dj oh
(26:24):
yeah, we got to get him on herewith ethan.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
He's the originator and ethan's peddling what is now
the 30 years later, of hisbecoming we'll do a uh, we'll do
our first ever hep conferencecall.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
That'll be a good one I think that'll be awesome
actually we'll need a moderatorand an attorney.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Oh, yeah, yeah, there'll be a lot of, there'll
be a lot of mic muting wherethey're gonna be like you can't
say that they're gonna thinkwe're just all over there like
running hezbollah or somethingbeep you know it's gonna be a
good one yeah we're speaking ofuh, speaking of having an
attorney on retainer.
You're on your way to las vegasnext week actually tomorrow,
(27:09):
tomorrow I fly out early in themorning, I'm packing a bag, I'm
leaving.
Actually it's just a quick, uhquick trip about introducing ev
to your fleet and what some ofthe charging looks like, what
some of the costs look likepractical, what may not be
practical with today's offerings, and that's the key thing that
everybody is looking at what dothey have offered today?
(27:32):
I know there's so much on thehorizon, there's so much
technology coming off.
Look at where we were threeyears ago.
Look at where we are today.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Look at a year ago.
Like a year ago, we weretalking about man.
Wouldn't it be cool to have 500kilowatt charging?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
And Biff just went home.
He literally flipped me off andwalked out of the booth.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
He's got a Tesla, why is?
He leaving now.
I know I know, know, I'm sickof this electric stuff.
Tesla, drive me home, that'sexactly what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah, yeah tire noise he complained to me the other
day.
He was going down the road anda big truck passed him.
He's like these older trucks, Idon't know why they're still on
the road.
It passed me and I could evenhear the radio anymore and I was
(28:27):
like and you're the one thatwants to talk about heavy, heavy
, heavy iron metal clankingnon-stop, which is great until
you're a special foundry episodefor him the steel equipment of
the 1800s.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Dad, why did you bring me to a gay steel mill?
I don't know, son I got nothing.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I got nothing that's the best simpsons ever, oh my
God.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Lisa needs braces.
That was when the Chattanoogavote was happening.
I kept texting you Lisa needsbraces.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Lisa needs braces.
I'm like, what are you talkingabout?
Your daughter's name isn't Lisa.
I'm like, I'm so lost.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
This is a good one, all right, I think we're done.
Thanks for listening.
This is a good one, all right,I think we're done.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Thanks for listening.
This is a short one.
We keep going.
I can talk about other colors.
The CIA developed.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I'm done.
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