December 9, 2024 • 47 mins
We kick off today's exciting HEP-isode with a safety minute about road rage. Next, we explore what high-speed car electric chargers and the Ark of the Covenant from "Indiana Jones" have in common, interview Fortescue's Andrew Carlisle, and have a nostalgic fever dream about Mama's Family.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to the latest episode of the Heavy
Equipment Podcast.
I'm your host, joe Boris, herewith my co-host, mike hot, mike
Schweitzer.
Mike, you know we like to startall of our formal meetings with
a safety minute.
And the young lady who gavethis week's safety minute was
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talking about road rage.
And we're sitting there in aroom full of 40 people and she
goes.
Don't you hate it when peoplestart honking at you and leaning
on the horn and yellingobscenities at you?
I got two or three people a daydoing this to me and we need to
really cut back on road rage.
How many people haveexperienced road rage today?
And she held her hand up like aproud little muffin and not a
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single other hand went up.
This is one of those where it'slike dude, I've never been in
an accident.
The husband looks over, goes,yeah, but you caused six on the
way here.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Oh no, I know exactly the kind of person you're
talking about.
You know, know to them.
They're in their own bubble,they're in their own world.
Meanwhile the Mack trucksbehind them with 14 feet wide of
equipment going.
Lady, I get it, just pull overand wait, it's overwhelming for
you.
I will say, though I was inChicago traffic one fine
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afternoon.
It was sunny out and nice, andsome guy was definitely in a
hurry and I had gotten thrownoff the highway due to an
accident.
You know they, this gps inchicago is beautiful because it
tells you every road youshouldn't be on to avert an
accident.
And if you don't know, if youdon't know and you're,
especially if you're insomething that shouldn't be on
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these roads, it's fun.
Oh yeah, but I happen to bedriving this car.
I got off the highway, wentdown three exits, realized that
this uh part of the globe wasnot for me, and I got back on
the highway.
It wasn't for any particularreason other than the bagdad
shambles, asphalt that was leftbehind.
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It's horrible.
I mean, I was dodging stuff.
I literally went to the leftand a guy went to the right.
I didn't see him after that, sohe went into a pothole, he's
still under there yeah, thislady lets me on and she is so
mad, so mad at me because Imerged my way in you know zipper
moment, every other car, I putthe uh, I put the rear sunshade
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up.
Oh, she was just so upset, huh.
I thought it would diffuse thesituation.
Apparently, it made it worse.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
No, they need you to know how upset you are.
The little window goes up.
It didn't work.
That'd be such a baller move ifyou're driving the limo and
someone in the back is justreaming you out.
You just hit the button, thewindow goes up.
Thanks for playing.
I'll check back in once you'vecalmed down, sir, but people get
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worked up and heated man, Imean over crazy stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Road rage is bad.
I mean there's people, peoplehave been shot.
I mean guy walks up.
This happened not too long ago.
Guy stopped at a stoplightbehind a car, walked up two cars
and shot the person at thelight because apparently he was
upset that you know it wastaking him too long to get
through these stoplights, youknow, and that is oh yeah, I
think that is a real problembecause there's some.
There's some crazy stuff.
When you see a guy walking upand he's got a gun out, I don't
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know what you're supposed to do.
It's, it's hard.
A lot of guys are like throwdown, get out skin that smoke
wagon, it's a tombstone.
You don't.
You don't jump out of the car,take a defensive stance like
1970s detectives movies.
You know where you got widestance.
You got the gun hanging outfour feet away from you and you
know plug him.
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You know this isn't Starsky andHutch.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
In fairness, though.
In fairness, if that guy hadmade that left turn a little
quicker, he wouldn't have beensitting there to get shot
Correct, and this is what I'msaying.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
It goes both ways.
You got the people that arecausing the problem and you have
the people that have aself-perceived problem in front
of them.
Oh, it's so bad, dude, Justlike when it's late at night and
the traffic light goes from thenormal pattern to the flashing
pattern that screws up so manypeople around midnight.
It's a line of cars,everybody's trying to get
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through and all of a sudden allthe lights are red.
No one can figure it out, andthen they start flashing.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah, there was an intersection back where I grew
up in Florida that would switchover relatively early, like at
midnight.
It would switch over to thefrom the uh, you know red,
yellow, green to just theflashing four-way red.
And man, I swear there was awhole group of people who just
couldn't figure it out anddecided they were going to gun
it every time they saw thatlight.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I, you know the other , the other tactic that works
and anybody that's drove a bigtruck or been around big truck
stuff or heavy equipment ormoving heavy equipment, any of
the stuff that we talk about.
It's called first gear.
You put it in first gear withthe four ways on, you creep your
way out into the intersection,you got all your flashy lights,
blinking, oversized signs andeverything.
People tend to stop.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
They know you're coming to stop yeah, well, I
think that works a lot better inlike a Mack truck than did in
my little Hyundai.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Well, that's true.
There's a little bit morerespect there, you know a little
more.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Well, speaking of big trucks, man, I have been
geeking out over these justgiant 200 plus ton mining haul
trucks that I've been checkingout the last couple of weeks Did
you see the bunch of them beingreleased.
We saw one, obviously at volvodays, obviously thanks to
regalot and those guys forhaving us out.
One last, uh, final plug forthem.
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But much more recently I'vebeen checking out the final, oh
final plug for the morning ohokay, okay, all right, all right
, anyways going.
It'll be six minutes.
In six minutes It'll beafternoon, we'll be.
We'll plug them again, anyway,after that interruption.
But the leap, that's cool.
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The lead hair guys also havethis massive trucks and the
thing that blew my mind aboutthis was that they're actually
working not just on these gianthaulers and everything else, but
they're actually working on thecharging side and they've got a
six megawatt charger on thisthing.
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So six megawatts, if you'redoing that math, if you've got a
Tesla and the battery on thatthing drains to empty and you
plug it into a supercharger,that's about 300 kilowatts and
it'll take you about 35, 40minutes to charge up.
If you plugged this sixmegawatt, 6,000 kilowatt charger
into the Tesla, it would fullycharge in under a second and
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explode about two seconds laterlike a bolt of lightning.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Perhaps that is what happens to some of those teslas.
They catch fire.
Something so powerful, soconcentrated passes them on the
highway.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
They burst into flames that's the raw
masculinity of mike switzer yeah, well, let me tell you you some
got nothing for that do you.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
No, the charging stuff is very important.
A lot of people don'tunderstand it and it's going to
take a lot of training.
It's going to take a lot ofpeople.
It takes a lot of effort, justlike everything else does.
I mean, you guys are like oh,diesel feels so much easier.
It isn't, it isn't.
You got to store it, you got tomove it, you got to contain it.
You got to contain it, get deaf, you get all the other things
to go with it.
Electricity has the same woes,but in a different way.
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You got to obtain it, you gotto house it, you got to connect
it and you got to be trained onit.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeah, well, two things for that.
Number one diesel is easier.
Now Go back to 1924 and see ifdiesel was easier when they
still had horses and donkeys onthe job site, because getting
diesel out there was such anightmare.
So give it time, give itanother hundred years and see
how easy this electric stuff is.
But secondary from that, forgetabout charging, forget about
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electric vehicles.
Let's just talk aboutelectrical power going into a
building.
There is so much happening inthere and for something that is
so ubiquitous in our lives andsomething that is so present as
electricity, people don't get it, man.
I mean, if you're sitting thereshoveling out there in the yard
and you go through the mainpower line to the to the
building, you're not even thereanymore, you're just blasted
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into space by this electricity.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
You know it's kind of like one of these deals If you
don't know what you're doing,you shouldn't mess with it and
that's why I say the training isvery important.
Otherwise, that thing is goingto show up on a job site and
everybody's going to be allgooey eyed and everything's
going to be great, and they'regoing to just plug this thing in
because we got to get moving.
And then it's going to be likewhen you rip the lid off the Ark
of the Covenant it's going tomelt your face right and
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everybody just turns theskeletons and falls over.
Yeah, but you can't release alightning bolt upon the job site
.
Okay, you can't be doing that.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Well, that's how they shot that special effect.
They got the little guy thatwas in R2-D2.
They put him in the box.
They had him over theelectrical cord going into
Warner Brothers Studios.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
As soon as they opened the lid, that was his cue
to jam the shovel into the lineand melt that everybody's face
off what's solely what it was.
They had to fire hose and theyhad the electric line running
inside of it, and when he cutboth those things together it
immediately vaporized everybodyon site.
But thank god they captured iton video, spielberg released it
and we got one of the bestscenes of all time in a movie
yeah, single take, you can't dothat anymore you can't do this
in a multiple take.
It's like jaws.
That shark was so screwed upall the time, they just were
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lucky for the footage they gotoh yeah, you know it's, it's
wild.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
We talked about jaws.
When I saw jaws for the firsttime, I must have been six years
old and I was afraid to go in.
I wasn't only afraid to go inthe ocean, I was afraid to go
into the pool.
I was afraid that shark wasgoing to come out of the toilet,
my ass out.
And I showed jaws to my kidsand they were laughing their
asses off.
They loved it.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
It's when first time I saw jaws.
It had been out for a long timeby the time I saw it.
And, um, I remember they rentedjaws and they rented the little
mermaid.
I watched a little thisermaid.
I watched a little.
This is funny.
I watched the Little Mermaidbecause I was little.
I'm like five years old, youknow, whatever.
You know they're singing Underthe Sea.
And then later on they thoughtI was asleep and I'm sitting
there on the couch watching Jawsand I'm like it's another, you
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know, fish movie.
This is great, yeah.
And then this lady's gettingripped across the fucking bay
out there, you know, and I'mlike five years old, pissing
myself on the couch, then I'mgetting yelled at because the
couch is wet, you know, I mean,meanwhile, none of this is my
fault, okay, this, actually thefear in that movie when I was
five years old is similar towhen you see the.
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You see the russian at 45 milean hour flying through a rest
area and you know, you know thatthe hood that you just spent
four hours over the weekendpolishing is about to get ripped
off.
That's, you know that's goingto happen.
And then you got to politelyknock on the door and say, hey,
you took that from me.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
And you know what you get in response.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
You know what you get in response I drive
Freightliner Big truck, move outof the way.
And what you get in responseyou know what you get in
response I drive freightliner,big truck move out the way they
shut the door and drive off.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
They don't know we got to get oleg on the phone we
got to get him on the phone.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
He's just perfect.
Well, olympia transport they'regreek, but they're not.
The greeks own it, but they'renot greek driving.
I telling you right now, theylook the same standing next to
each other.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
They're not You've got.
You've got Oleg and Piotr andwho else?
Camille?
That's it.
What a nightmare I love it, itis, it is.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
You imagine those guys showing up at a job site
like like 4 am to start loadingup a D11 and taking it apart?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Oh, I can.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I loading up a d11 and taking it apart.
Oh, I can't, I don't think Iwant.
I think they butcher the sheepbefore they make the gloves out
of it right there on the site.
I can't talk about theirgirlfriend that way.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
That's bad this is the focal.
This is the one where we allget canceled.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
It'll be great, every one of these run the verge of
getting canceled and have no, nofriends.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
That's why we're, that's why we're unbranded,
unowned, unaffiliated andunsubstantiated the whole thing
about that, though, is thatthese guys are waiting to hear
their name called out on thething.
Hey, chris, how you doing?
They listen to these, they waitfor it, they love it you gotta,
you gotta, have a rant everynow and then.
You know I mean like I have arant every now and then because
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it's it's real life.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
you know, I'm an end user and my guys are end users.
I don't use it as much as theguys do.
But you know what?
I buy the stuff.
I get pissed off by buying it.
I get pissed off by warranty.
I get pissed off because of howit's being used, Not by my guys
, but by the guys that we don'temploy, that we only get out of
the union halls and then we getpissed off about how dirty it
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gets.
So let me tell you something wejust enacted a new initiative.
Whether you're a smoker or not,there are variations of smoking
.
Grew up with smokers.
I know a lot of people thatsmoke.
Today we just have initiationor initiative to.
It is an initiation, but it'san initiative as well to not
smoke in any commonly usedequipment, which means all of
our heavy equipment will notallow to be smoked in anymore.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, Well, that makes total sense.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
It makes total sense.
It's the same with tobaccochewing you can't be chewing and
spitting in the machines.
But what's really bad and thisis the hard part of the industry
that we're in, because we havelike a cross-generational riff
you got guys that are in theirlate 60s.
They're trying to retirebecause they got in a little
late.
And then you got the young guyscoming up, the guy in his 60s.
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He shows up on the job site.
Listen, he's got the corncobpipe hanging out of his mouth.
He's got a bag of tobaccostuffed up behind her.
He never leaves, he works allday.
He's a productive guy.
You got to go and tell that guyhey, you can't smoke in that
machine.
Well, he stares you down fromup in the cab and scrapes the
tobacco tar out of the pipe andsmacks it on the side of the
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door, shuts the door and goesback to work.
It's dedication.
It's hard to curve that.
It's true, though You'resupposed to send a guy like that
home?
No, it's a hard thing.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
It's a hard thing, but you do have that
cross-generational thing.
And you know one thing I alwayssay you know like growing up in
the late 70s, early 80s it isso hard for people to understand
that everything smelled likesmoke.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Oh, you didn't notice it.
That's the thing.
Everything did that everythingback in time, today, five years
old you'd be sick.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
You'd be sick if you're 65 years old.
You've been smoking your wholelife.
You don't even smell it.
You don't.
You literally don't understandwhat these kids are talking
about.
And if you're 20, 25 years old,even 30 years old, you probably
grew up in a world without thatsmell being in your life.
Unless your parents smoked,because unless you're walking by
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it somebody smoking in the parkor out in front of a building,
you never experienced it.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
No.
And then imagine you get thisbrand new, brand new Lee bear
300 ton haul truck on your joband the very first guy to get in
that baby is your most seniortruck driver and he's going to
get in it and try it out.
He's going to be in there withthe Lee bear guys giving them
the thumbs up, saying, hey, Ilike it, I think it's put
together well, and then he pullsout that pipe and lights her up
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.
First thing exactly no, it'srough.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Well, while we're back on the topic of libra, I
was wondering how we were goingto get back to it, so that was
very like how I did that right?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I do I commend you.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
They just got a four billion with a B $4 billion
order for electric haul trucks,excavators, wheel loaders and
charging equipment from theAustralian firm Fortescue.
Fortescue, obviously thelargest mineral mining operation
in the world, and we have aguest today.
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It is the CTO of Fortescue,paul Hogan.
Paul Hogan, no, no.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
That ain't a truck.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
That ain't a truck, that's a truck.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
It's a truck, christ.
You bring a truck on a ride,yeah, and in a year, oh fuck, we
got to do this exactly again.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
No, it is not our fate.
Um, yeah, so kind of a funintroduction.
We've already been talking fora little bit here, so, uh,
really excited to have AndrewCarlisle on today.
He's the managing director ofthe mobility business at
Fortescue Zero.
Andrew, you're calling in allthe way from the UK.
Thank you so much for being onthe show.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
No, no, thanks, so much Thanks for having me Really
looking forward to theconversation.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Joe, well, as soon as you said that you actually
listened to this show, I becameimmediately terrified because,
like nobody should be forced tolisten to my nonsense, I
appreciate your uh willingnessto put yourself through that I
think you have some greatconversations, so I look forward
to be part of the dialogue.
The original impetus for, uh,putting this show together was
the announcement at mine expothe massive purchase of the
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Liebherr equipment fromFortescue which I keep trying to
say Fortescue but I know it'sFortescue so I apologize for
that if I get it wrong butthat's a multi-billion dollar
investment in some reallymassive zero emission machinery.
Can you tell us a little bitabout that?
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Yeah, no, of course I mean.
I think, firstly, we're veryfortunate to have a chairman
that is incredibly passionateabout decarbonisation.
He really wants to make adifference and a difference to
the world.
So he's committed to the entirecompany that we're going to do
real zero by 2030.
So not net zero, real zero by2030.
And as part of that,essentially we are decarbonising
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the entire mine operation.
So every single piece ofequipment you can imagine on
that mine site will beelectrified and decarbonized in
some way.
So the announcement they werekind of well, a couple of
announcements that happened lastweek, but particularly the
Liebherr announcement last weekwas really around the core
minehole track, which is theLiebherr T264 and the electric
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power system around that.
So it's a huge deal for us andthere's a huge amount of
engineering effort that goesinto that truck and the
integration of that power systemto that truck.
But they will get into the minesite and will really start to
help decarbonize the operation.
So incredibly exciting for us.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Well, the other thing that's really exciting about
this is you guys are one of thefew companies that is truly
going to a zero carbonizationplan.
That's the goal.
You're not talking about buyingcarbon credits or offsets or
anything.
You are truly trying todecarbonize.
So hats off to you on that.
The announcement from thismorning the Fortescue Zero
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Marine Battery Pack that'ssomething that you guys are
manufacturing yourselves out ofthe new advanced manufacturing
center in Detroit, and I thinkthis is huge, because not only
are Fortescue mining thematerials in a sustainable and
low carbon way, but you're alsogoing to be manufacturing them
in that way and distributingthem in that way.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah.
So decarbonization is reallyimportant to us full stop, right
, let's be clear.
And if we can help customersaround the world decarbonise,
we're there to help them right.
So you know, whilst we areabsolutely kind of committed to
decarbonisation in the industry,and the mining sector
particularly, you know we wantto also take those products and
solutions more broadly acrossother mobility kind of
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businesses.
So where I sit is really kindof leading the mobility business
units.
That's anything from highperformance automotive through
to the leisure industry right,all the way through to big
industrial kind of class eight,class six trucks, right.
So that's we're full spectrum.
So we really want to kind ofmake a difference and we're
really kind of pushing.
One of the key messages you'llhear our chairman talking about
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all the time is the power of now.
You don't have to wait, thereare solutions available.
So it's get on with it, stopthe excuses and really get on
with it.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
So you mentioned the high-performance automotive, you
mentioned the leisure space,but this announcement is
specific to the marine industryand we have seen a couple of
luxury boats, luxury yachts,volvo Penta drivetrains coming
out that are capable of electricdrive, but this is a marine
battery pack.
How is a marine battery packdistinct from an on-road or a
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BESS energy storage battery pack?
What makes it different?
Speaker 3 (20:13):
makes it different.
Yeah, so well, I think, firstand foremost, you know, we feel
there is huge growth potentialfor electrification in the
marine space and in the leisuremarine crafts, a huge growth
coming Very much a consumerdriven industry, right?
So people want to make adifference, people want to
decarbonize, but what we'vecreated, then, is a solution
that is versatile and adaptableto go into those boats.
Right, we're not just taking anautomotive battery and putting
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it into a boat.
We're thinking about the usecase and developing a battery
that works for boats.
Right, and we've got a greatpartner called Evoa Propulsion.
Evoa understands this marketreally well and has great
relationships with a number ofthe major OEMs across North
America and in Europe.
So we're really trying topartner with them to make sure
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that we can deliver this highvoltage marine battery and make
sure it's fit for purpose forthat industry.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I think that's a really good distinction, because
you're talking about Evoa andthe powertrain and they're
obviously capable of more than athousand horsepower and ungodly
amounts of torque right off theline.
You know the right propellerdesign, this thing's going to
come right up out of the waterand get moving.
But it's important to note herethat you guys are producing
battery power for the drive unit, where other battery solutions
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for leisure boats and luxuryboats have focused on replacing
the smaller generator thatdrives the accessories that
drives the house lighting andelectrical equipment and
refrigerators and things likethat.
So is your marine battery packeffectively replacing both of
those systems or are youfocusing on the drive
specifically?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
It'll replace all of it, so it'll be the drive and
all the entertainment systems orwhatever else you have on that
boat.
We're really looking to replaceit all and in the end of the
day, if you replace thedrivetrain, that's where the
core of your emissions come from, right.
So we really want to kind ofmake a difference to
decarbonization, as I keeptalking about.
So it's important to us, sothat's the core focus and so
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that's why we're really goingafter that.
It's not particularly a greatanswer, jay, but I gave it my
best shot there.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
No, I think that's a solid answer.
Okay, okay, all right, we'll gowith that.
Here's why I think it's a solidanswer.
Right, because when you talk toa Brunswick Marine and let's go
back to CES 2022 when I talkedto those guys and interviewed
them, right?
This is one of my firstinterviews for Electrek they
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were very adamant thatenergizing and electrifying the
drive unit, while that wasbeneficial, was, at the end of
the day, inefficient use of alimited resource in batteries,
and what they were focusing oninstead was replacing that
generator with the battery pack,which is why that's always at
the front of my mind.
And what they talked about wasthat those generators, whether
they're propane or diesel, wereeffectively unregulated
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emissions and that the carbonemissions there were actually
significantly worse than youmight think.
You know, pound for pound,horsepower to horsepower, than
the drive unit, which is one ofthose answers that probably
pencils out and might be correctand might be technically
correct right which, as we allknow, is the best kind of
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correct but it's an unsatisfyingresponse.
So, even though your answer maynot be the one that you wanted
to hear it it may not be that 30second sound bite that gets
everybody to electrify it's amuch more satisfying response to
say like look, this thousandhorsepower engine is the one
making all the emissions, that'sthe one we have to electrify.
So like thank you for saying itWell, and I think more than
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that.
You know, when I was a youngkid, I grew up in Miami, so we
were around boats all the time,and one of the things that
always struck me and I'm talkingabout four years old, five
years old I vividly rememberthat sheen of oil on the top of
the water.
Yeah, and it was like a rainbowkind of purple and easy thing,
and I used to look at that and Iused to think it was beautiful.
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And now, knowing what I knownow, I should have been
horrified.
I should have been absolutelyhorrified at what I was seeing.
But I'll ask you a question.
In this way, throughout Europe,we're starting to see certain
lakes, especially freshwaterlakes, implementing no internal
combustion engine bands orinternal combustion engine bands
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and pushing those motors andthose boats out of the lake to
preserve that environmental kindof aspect of it, to preserve
the wildlife, to preserve thefishing game.
We are starting to see some ofthat in Canada the wildlife, to
preserve the fishing game.
We are starting to see some ofthat in Canada.
We're starting to see some ofthat in California and certain
lakes.
Do you anticipate seeing moreand more of that regulation, or
(24:44):
do you simply think that peoplewho live on the water don't want
oil and diesel and gross fuelin the water?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I think it'd probably be a bit of both, joe, in full
transparency.
So I think regulation will come, and it needs to come and needs
to come faster.
So I think there will beregulation.
But I also think that consumersare starting to understand the
importance of climate change andthe importance to protect the
environmental environment aroundus.
So I do think that consumerswill continue to get more and
(25:13):
more invested into these decarbchallenges and these decarb
solutions that are available.
So we believe that with EVOA,you have the ability to have a
completely clean powertrainsolution for these electric
vessels and actually haveperformance that's equivalent or
even, to some cases, betterthan the existing kind of
(25:33):
internal combustion enginesolutions.
The other thing, joe, is thatwhen you've got these kind of
cleaning solutions, you canchange the way you use them too
right.
So rather than feeling like youhave to then kind of take your,
your boat at the, in your, inyour lake house, at the end of
your garden, to a pontoon to goand refuel up for the weekend,
you have the ability to put acharger at the end of your
garden to a pontoon to go andrefuel up for the weekend.
You have the ability to put acharger at the end of your
(25:53):
garden, you charge up your boat.
You don't have to go anywhere.
So it gives you the opportunityto kind of from a consciousness
, you're looking after theenvironment around you.
But it also simplifies andmakes your user experience much
better too, so we're veryexcited to partner with Ivar on
this.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
All of this is going to be coming out of a new
manufacturing facility that isin Detroit.
Obviously, from the Americanfolklore, stuff gets built in
Detroit.
That's where engines come from.
It's the Motor City, right.
So you guys manufacturing thesepower packs effectively where
for the last 100 years we'vebeen building horsepower I, I
think, is symbolicallysignificant as a australian
(26:37):
company, as someone from the uk,as a brit, if you will, um,
does fortescue buy into?
Uh, does fortescue buy intothat myth and do they see
themselves kind ofreinvigorating and adding to
that mythology?
Or, you know, was it somethingboring like tax incentives that
(26:57):
led you there?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
no, no, not at all.
I mean, yes, we've got a goodtax incentive plan from detroit,
and you know the michigan team,so that's incredibly great too.
You know and I don't want tounderplay that they were they're
incredibly supportive of uscoming to there.
But equally, we want to be partof the Detroit Renaissance,
right, we do.
We absolutely want to be there.
The facility that we'reestablishing is next to where
(27:18):
the Model T was firstmanufactured.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Oh, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
It's great to see that change and that revival of
the industry in a completelydifferent way, and the reason
that we want to come to Detroitis a lot of our customers are in
the US.
They're looking formade-in-America solutions and we
want to be there for them,right?
So what we're incrediblyexcited about here is that this
(27:43):
high-energy marine pack is thefirst of many, right.
It really is the first productto utilize our scalable battery
module technology, which allowsus to really create scalable and
customized solutions for awhole raft of applications in
mobility.
So this is it's a greatlaunchpad for us, joe, but this
is just the start.
(28:03):
So we're incredibly excitedabout putting our roots down
properly in Detroit.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I love it.
Andrew, we're coming to the endof our time commitment here.
I want to be respectful of that.
Thank you so much for coming onthe show.
I hope it's only your firstappearance and it'll be the
first of many.
It looks like production atyour new Fortis Q0 facility is
expected to begin Q4 of nextyear.
To begin Q4 of next year.
(28:29):
Hopefully many moreannouncements between now and
then.
For people who are interestedin what you guys are doing and
want to follow the company'sefforts at decarbonization,
what's the best way for them tofollow along and reach out to
you?
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Well, I think certainly, kind of the LinkedIn
channel is amazing, right, soLinkedIn and our website is
amazing, so there's lots ofvideos and posts that go up
there, the progress we're makingand it's lots of progress, joe.
So, whether that be the minehaul truck, whether it be an
Infinity electric train, a hugeamount of growth as well as
solutions that we're deploying.
We're incredibly excited aboutthese scalable solutions that
(29:03):
I'm talking to you about todayand really putting down our
roots in Detroit.
We believe these solutions canreally help high-performance
automotive, leisure and marinecustomers, right, and we're
certainly here to help.
Please, if any listener oranybody wants to kind of reach
out to me, they're more thanwelcome anytime, right?
So please connect and I'd loveto talk to you and see how we
(29:24):
can help you decarbonize.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Fantastic.
We'll put all of your personalcontact information, social
security number and bankaccounts online.
And, yeah, the best part is wedo this unscripted.
I know I don't even know how weget through these, but hey,
andrew, thank you for being onthe show.
That was awesome, michael, why?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Listen.
No, he's a good dude.
I'm going to tell you right nowthat product that they're
putting out there is top notch.
It's first class.
It always has been.
It's got a lot of stuff that isoverlooked in a lot of other
OEMs.
If you take the time to walkaround a Liebherr product
similar to what we were talkingabout with the Volvo guys they
all have their own things, butit's very well thought out, very
(30:06):
well thought out product andyou only get that by listening
to the people that actually runit.
And you only get that fromlistening to the people exactly
where they run it.
Not just some guy that thinkshe knows what you need, but
somebody on the actual siterunning it right there day to
day.
And I give Lieber a lot ofcredit for that because
absolutely that statement wascorrect.
(30:27):
They can look at a lot of otherstuff on the market and go, nah
, nah, this ain't a truck, thisis a truck oh, oh, we're
defending it.
Yes, yes, that's what I meant byit.
Yes, yeah, I'll tell you.
I mean, you just use the earsof the ams.
You get a lee bear truck, youpull it up there, you go yeah,
this is the truck.
(30:47):
The other one's sitting overthere.
It's got to be brought out forcompetitive demo reasons, got to
get three competitive quotesand all that stuff.
Meanwhile, guys like andrew andmyself are sitting there going
why don't you, uh, pull itaround over there so we can get
some shade, exactly?
And then they stand in theshade from the other
competitor's truck and watch theLiebherr perform all day.
It's perfect.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah, that happens, especially in some of these
mining operations.
You know, it was funny.
I was talking to Andrew aboutit before we did the recording
and he was laughing with mesaying that he actually listened
to a couple of the episodes.
I thought he was making it upand then he started quoting
stuff back to me.
I was horrified that somebodythat real in the industry was
actually listening to these.
(31:26):
But, piss judgment.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Do you know how many people comment to me about that?
They're like, oh, the heavyequipment podcast, that's you.
I was like, yeah, Well, twothings get asked all the time.
I'll tell you what it is.
One who the hell is Piss Jugman, and how did you find that?
And then the other one is whydo they call you Hot Mike?
It's like because my mic isalways hot.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
It's always on Joe spends a significant amount of
time editing out what I'm aboutto talk about and what I'm about
to say to say if peopleunderstood that we record about
two hours of material and editit back to a tight 42 minutes,
they'd be like, what do you guysdo for four hours on that thing
(32:08):
?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
like what's a lot of, uh, a lot of um I know joe's
wife wants to know what's goingon for two hours in that room he
doesn't care.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
She thinks I'm in the bathroom.
Oh, that's true.
She's like oh, he, just, youknow he goes to poop.
He's in there for 40 minutes onthe phone.
God knows what he's doing, Idon't care.
She thinks I'm in the bathroom.
Oh, that's true.
She's like oh, he, just, youknow he goes to poop.
He's in there for 40 minutes onthe phone, god knows what he's
doing, I don't care.
Finally get some peace and quietwithout that idiot in my living
room.
Then you return and take theremote.
Can I see?
I swear man, I, I will.
I've said this before.
Uh, I don't know if I've saidthis on the show.
(32:36):
I'm pretty convinced that shethinks I'm some kind of sheepdog
, because at night if we'rewatching a show even if I'm
watching it like I'm into theshow, I'm watching it.
When she decides it's time togo to bed, she didn't say
anything she turns off the TV,gets up, turns off the light and
goes upstairs and just leavesme sitting there in the dark,
like well, you can follow me ornot, I don't care, oh I heard
(32:58):
this.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I heard this incredible story.
We were talking about this twobrake trailers on a job site.
Okay, listen to this yeah, thisties in two brake trailers.
On a job site, one guy brings atv in and his whole crew's
sitting in there and they'rewatching the news.
Another guy says, oh, that, oh,that's great.
They go to Walmart, get some$90 TV, they bring it into the
(33:22):
job trailer.
On the other side, they'reliterally sharing a common
five-foot wide, four-foot widewooden walkway.
Sure, they have the TV on there.
They're watching movies.
Windows are aligned so you cansee back and forth.
And, like on the movie GrumpyOld Men, the guy leans over he
forth.
And, like on the movie grumpyold men, the guy leans over.
He's got a, he's got auniversal remote and just as
(33:42):
this, this stuff would good.
Good, he would turn the tv offand the other guy's job trailer
and you want to talk about iratehave a bunch of millwrights and
they're trying to take apart atv and figure out why the
electricians are screwing withthem.
Oh yeah, this is, this is bad.
Meanwhile, these guys are inthere talking about heavy
Thousand ton press.
They're in there trying toalign this baby within a few
(34:02):
thousand so it sets everythingup the way it's supposed to and
doesn't, you know, bore itself ahole into the center of the
earth from a miscalculatedimpact, right, oh yeah, and
they're mind blown already.
They just need some peace andquiet.
They want to watch Wheel ofFortune and the guy goes I'd
like to buy a vowel.
And they're waiting, and thenit turns off.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
That's true, see.
Now, that is why the road rageconversation is so critical,
because when you get one ofthese guys all worked up like
that, he's liable to reach overinto his Milwaukee M18 fuel,
dual battery, electric chainsawand go to town on these idiots.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Oh no, without a doubt.
Without a doubt.
I do like that segue.
Yeah, without a doubt, that'sfor sure.
He's going to build.
See, it's going to happen.
Missouri will take that brandnew.
They haven't released it yetand everybody should keep an eye
out for this.
Milwaukee has a backpack leafblower coming out with a slab
battery on it instead of agasoline-powered one.
Now still beat them to themarker with this.
(34:58):
But Milwaukee refined it alittle bit further and I've seen
some of these units.
They're very protected.
They won't let them out oftheir sight, but I did see it.
They lightened it up and somemillwright that's pissed off at
the world is going to turn thatinto a Gatling gun.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
It's going to be like RoboCop.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Better alive you gatling gun.
It's gonna be like robocop.
We better alive you're shimmingwith me.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
We could take one of those and we could build a legit
nerf minigun that goes throughabout 1100 rounds a minute,
listen.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
You want to nerf miniguns.
Gonna put a hole in a drywall.
That's what we got people betty, sue over at the neighbor's
house.
While we get the kids rollingon this baby, we'll be shooting
marbles attached to foammissiles.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Oh man, I got a paintball gun that we got
upgraded to about 17 joules.
I'm not sure how much it is,but when it hit my back.
I almost went down, dude.
I was like oh, down immediately.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
I mean not to rip off , you know.
Back to the future one moretime.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
But you know, when this baby hits 17 jewels you're
gonna see some serious bills butuh, yeah, I mean, you know it's
funny I I did this uh articleon the milwaukee's really doing
a good job with the electric jobsite equipment one of the best
in the industries.
They really are, and it's funnybecause I think for a long time
(36:21):
they were kind of resistant tothe electric tools.
They were kind of more knownfor air tools I'm talking going
back into the nineties, rightand it really seems like they're
going all out with this.
They have a ton of newaccessories coming out all the
time.
I get stuff in my inbox youknow about, like Milwaukee
battery powered, you know,different radios and shop lights
(36:42):
and things like that, andthey're really kind of taking it
seriously.
And then I get these otherthings and I don't want to.
I don't want to necessarilypick on these guys, but it's
hard to take Makita seriously.
When the last three Makita adsI've gotten emailed to me were
for a cordless espresso machine,a camp radio and some blender
(37:05):
type thing, I'm like what areyou doing with these things on a
job site?
Like, are you guys even ahardware tool company anymore?
What the hell's going on overthere?
You're looking for that Makitacoffee maker right now, aren't
you?
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Well, I was.
I'm like where did you findthis?
We have all this stuff thatgets thrown at us and I have not
seen some of this stuff you'verambled off.
Yeah, I got.
There's a lot of frivolous crapthat that people have to
produce, but a milwaukee coffeemaker that's battery powered I
could see that stop.
I could see that we talkedabout coffee makers in the last
(37:38):
one.
What you need is two things Forthe Euro guys, you need a
forged battery-powered 12.0battery plugged into a teapot.
You're an idiot.
And then for the US guys, youneed a coffee maker powered by
the same thing, but that is apercolator.
(37:59):
It's got a little grinder pumpin the bottom of it.
You know, when uh joe bob therelikes to build uh coffee, when
I say build, because it's thickenough you can chew it.
Then you can village, pump thatback over again and re-brew it
and when you get done you end upwith a nice espresso that's
like.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
That's like the masons they make the, uh, the
coffee so thick, they just useit as mortar.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Oh, but yeah, look at this, I just I guess I just
sent it to you.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
It's the dcm 501z for our british and australian
followers here.
But yeah, it's a 12 volt maxcxt lithium ion cordless coffee
maker from makita and it's, uh,just absolutely baffling.
That's not even their only one,they have an 18 volt version I
got nothing yeah well you knowwhat, though?
Speaker 2 (38:47):
that thing's compact that might fit in the cab of the
new uh tb395 wheeled excavator.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Those wheeled excavators, man, we talked about
this a little bit on the lastshow, but those are really
making a comeback.
You know, they went away for awhile and then volvo brought
theirs out and we got.
We got to play with that alittle bit at volvo days.
Ah, see, another plug for them.
And uh, you know, now this newone and I I can't pronounce this
, but it's takuchi, I guess ishow takuchi, takuchi, takuchi.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Now and then.
I mean, it depends on who youask for, it can be pronounced.
Touch my coochie, it can bepronounced.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah, that's how I always knew.
I was like oh look, the newtouch my coochie.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
That's another one that I hear a lot on the job
sites.
I mean, you know.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
We'll censor all of these, yeah we're not going to
be disrespectful to the.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Takahuchi guys, because, as a purchaser of
Takahuchi for many years, manyyears, that wheeled excavator is
badass.
It should be used in manymunicipalities across the US.
Where else are you going to geta small little guy like that on
wheels?
Volvo, they have one I.
I don't know if itachi'sselling one right now.
(40:03):
I think they are in othermarkets, but not in north
america.
Because, if you, you knowhere's the thing about takuchi's
release it says and there's akey word in what I'm about to
say here it says takuchi'stb395w wheeled excavator arrives
in north america yeah, arrives,they've had it.
They released it to the northamerican market.
Yeah, takuichi's TB395W wheeledexcavator arrives in North
America yeah, arrives, they'vehad it.
They released it to the NorthAmerican market, yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Hitachi has a couple, but they're all in either
Europe or Africa.
They're not available in theStates.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yes, there's a lot of people countrywide that could
use that thing, I think morethan people realize I really do
Until I had spent some time in awheeled excavator again, I
hadn't been in a wheeledexcavator probably six or seven
years and when I got back inthat thing I realized I was like
dang, there are so many usesfor this, so many things you
(40:51):
could do with this and not tearstuff up, yeah.
You're not going to use it as apeat bog and go out there and
dig your way over to yourneighbor's house.
That's not what you're going touse it for.
Select work, hard ground.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah, but I also like this because you know,
especially the Takahuchi one, ithas two different steer modes.
You can steer it with just thetwo wheels or you can do four
wheel steering and really turnthis thing around in a tight
circle.
Four-wheel steering and reallyturn this thing around in a
tight circle.
And I think those two thingsare going to enable you to put
this into places where you mightnot think something this big
(41:26):
could go.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Well, again, municipalities, if you get to
get behind something.
You're trying to work your waythrough some small alleyway and
you can't move a million thingsand it's just you and two other
guys from the city garage orjust a small utility contractor
or a landscaper.
You got to drive over somethingand you got to fix something
with this thing.
(41:47):
There you go tree guys, treeremoval guys, avante, avante.
Used to have a four-wheeledmachine like this, but not like
an excavator, but those are.
Those are good machines too no,I like that.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
I was laughing at you because, uh, I was.
I was sitting here talking withuh, my father-in-law and we
were talking about a tree thatwe've got in the yard that is
starting to loom over the houserather uh menacingly, so I may
hire it out, I might.
He made the comment he goes yougot to get an arborist in here
to pull that down.
I said you don't need anarborist, you just need a tree
guy.
(42:21):
And like, what I meant by thatwas like you don't need some
formal anybody, you just needsomebody with a big old saw to
come rip this thing down.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
You don't need somebody to shape that baby back
into something worth keeping.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
No, just get that thing out of there just get that
thing out of there.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yeah, I see a weird world of uh equipment going to
those guys.
Look at all that stuff thatthose guys climb trees with.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
We gotta do a whole forestry episode because those
guys are incredible.
Man, every once in a while Iget sucked into some tiktok
thread or something, where thismassive arm comes through, rips
a tree out of the ground andtakes all the branches off in
about a second and a half andand I don't know, it's real
exciting it does something forme, I got to admit.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Sick mind, joe, it's so hard.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Well, I think we've peaked with that.
That's the end of this one.
We barely had anything in here.
Let's close out with a wordfrom our unofficial sponsors
here Chase and Sanborn Coffee.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
By the way, they do still seem to be a real company.
We should probably reach out tothem.
Uh, I think we should sue us.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
You know, we need to send them a bill, send them an
invoice.
Just, yonas, did you sponsorthe heavy equipment podcast?
They say here we owe thirty sixthousand dollars what did you
say?
Speaker 2 (43:34):
his name was?
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Eunice oh, eunice, that's from Mama's Family.
That's a deep cut.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
That was deep.
I used to watch that.
I forgot all about that GreatOf course you used to watch it.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
She'll get on there.
Naomi, you get on out of here.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
She's like 30 years old when she did that skit yeah,
she was.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
She did that.
That show ran for like 15seasons, dude, because it was so
relatable I don't know who itwas relatable to, but yes, it
was you had the stupidson-in-law.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
You know they called them.
They called the daughterskeeter.
That was was always funny.
I forgot about Skeeter you callyour wife Skeeter, that's it.
You thought you were a lap dogbefore.
Wait till you get back on thefloor.
You'll be sitting on the floor.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Won't be allowed on the couch.
You ain't allowed up here,Skeeter.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
The only thing worse would be if you pooped on the
rug.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Oh man last thing, I swear we'll sign off.
I read a tweet from a guy theother day.
He said about four years ago Iwas showering with my wife and I
thought I'd be funny and try tofart on her and I misjudged it
and shit all over her leg.
Now we're getting divorced andI can't help be funny and try to
fart on her and I misjudged itand shit all over her leg.
Now we're getting divorced andI can't help but feel these two
(45:02):
things are related.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Well, one wrong projectile shit could end a
relationship.
That's probably accurate.
Whether it's in the car, in theshower or outside, it's never
good.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
It doesn't really matter where it acts.
You poop your pants above theage of 30, someone's going to
side eye you.
Wow, that's terrible.
Why don't we just close it offwith the theme from Mama's
Family and hope for the best interms of legal?
(45:42):
©.
Bf-watch TV 2021.
Welcome back to the latest episode of the Heavy
Equipment Podcast.
I'm your host, joe Boris, herewith my co-host, mike hot, mike
Schweitzer.
Mike, you know we like to startall of our formal meetings with
a safety minute.
And the young lady who gavethis week's safety minute was
(00:22):
talking about road rage.
And we're sitting there in aroom full of 40 people and she
goes.
Don't you hate it when peoplestart honking at you and leaning
on the horn and yellingobscenities at you?
I got two or three people a daydoing this to me and we need to
really cut back on road rage.
How many people haveexperienced road rage today?
And she held her hand up like aproud little muffin and not a
(00:47):
single other hand went up.
This is one of those where it'slike dude, I've never been in
an accident.
The husband looks over, goes,yeah, but you caused six on the
way here.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Oh no, I know exactly the kind of person you're
talking about.
You know, know to them.
They're in their own bubble,they're in their own world.
Meanwhile the Mack trucksbehind them with 14 feet wide of
equipment going.
Lady, I get it, just pull overand wait, it's overwhelming for
you.
I will say, though I was inChicago traffic one fine
(01:20):
afternoon.
It was sunny out and nice, andsome guy was definitely in a
hurry and I had gotten thrownoff the highway due to an
accident.
You know they, this gps inchicago is beautiful because it
tells you every road youshouldn't be on to avert an
accident.
And if you don't know, if youdon't know and you're,
especially if you're insomething that shouldn't be on
(01:41):
these roads, it's fun.
Oh yeah, but I happen to bedriving this car.
I got off the highway, wentdown three exits, realized that
this uh part of the globe wasnot for me, and I got back on
the highway.
It wasn't for any particularreason other than the bagdad
shambles, asphalt that was leftbehind.
(02:01):
It's horrible.
I mean, I was dodging stuff.
I literally went to the leftand a guy went to the right.
I didn't see him after that, sohe went into a pothole, he's
still under there yeah, thislady lets me on and she is so
mad, so mad at me because Imerged my way in you know zipper
moment, every other car, I putthe uh, I put the rear sunshade
(02:24):
up.
Oh, she was just so upset, huh.
I thought it would diffuse thesituation.
Apparently, it made it worse.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
No, they need you to know how upset you are.
The little window goes up.
It didn't work.
That'd be such a baller move ifyou're driving the limo and
someone in the back is justreaming you out.
You just hit the button, thewindow goes up.
Thanks for playing.
I'll check back in once you'vecalmed down, sir, but people get
(02:55):
worked up and heated man, Imean over crazy stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Road rage is bad.
I mean there's people, peoplehave been shot.
I mean guy walks up.
This happened not too long ago.
Guy stopped at a stoplightbehind a car, walked up two cars
and shot the person at thelight because apparently he was
upset that you know it wastaking him too long to get
through these stoplights, youknow, and that is oh yeah, I
think that is a real problembecause there's some.
There's some crazy stuff.
When you see a guy walking upand he's got a gun out, I don't
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know what you're supposed to do.
It's, it's hard.
A lot of guys are like throwdown, get out skin that smoke
wagon, it's a tombstone.
You don't.
You don't jump out of the car,take a defensive stance like
1970s detectives movies.
You know where you got widestance.
You got the gun hanging outfour feet away from you and you
know plug him.
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You know this isn't Starsky andHutch.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
In fairness, though.
In fairness, if that guy hadmade that left turn a little
quicker, he wouldn't have beensitting there to get shot
Correct, and this is what I'msaying.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
It goes both ways.
You got the people that arecausing the problem and you have
the people that have aself-perceived problem in front
of them.
Oh, it's so bad, dude, Justlike when it's late at night and
the traffic light goes from thenormal pattern to the flashing
pattern that screws up so manypeople around midnight.
It's a line of cars,everybody's trying to get
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through and all of a sudden allthe lights are red.
No one can figure it out, andthen they start flashing.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah, there was an intersection back where I grew
up in Florida that would switchover relatively early, like at
midnight.
It would switch over to thefrom the uh, you know red,
yellow, green to just theflashing four-way red.
And man, I swear there was awhole group of people who just
couldn't figure it out anddecided they were going to gun
it every time they saw thatlight.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I, you know the other , the other tactic that works
and anybody that's drove a bigtruck or been around big truck
stuff or heavy equipment ormoving heavy equipment, any of
the stuff that we talk about.
It's called first gear.
You put it in first gear withthe four ways on, you creep your
way out into the intersection,you got all your flashy lights,
blinking, oversized signs andeverything.
People tend to stop.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
They know you're coming to stop yeah, well, I
think that works a lot better inlike a Mack truck than did in
my little Hyundai.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Well, that's true.
There's a little bit morerespect there, you know a little
more.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Well, speaking of big trucks, man, I have been
geeking out over these justgiant 200 plus ton mining haul
trucks that I've been checkingout the last couple of weeks Did
you see the bunch of them beingreleased.
We saw one, obviously at volvodays, obviously thanks to
regalot and those guys forhaving us out.
One last, uh, final plug forthem.
(05:31):
But much more recently I'vebeen checking out the final, oh
final plug for the morning ohokay, okay, all right, all right
, anyways going.
It'll be six minutes.
In six minutes It'll beafternoon, we'll be.
We'll plug them again, anyway,after that interruption.
But the leap, that's cool.
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The lead hair guys also havethis massive trucks and the
thing that blew my mind aboutthis was that they're actually
working not just on these gianthaulers and everything else, but
they're actually working on thecharging side and they've got a
six megawatt charger on thisthing.
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So six megawatts, if you'redoing that math, if you've got a
Tesla and the battery on thatthing drains to empty and you
plug it into a supercharger,that's about 300 kilowatts and
it'll take you about 35, 40minutes to charge up.
If you plugged this sixmegawatt, 6,000 kilowatt charger
into the Tesla, it would fullycharge in under a second and
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explode about two seconds laterlike a bolt of lightning.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Perhaps that is what happens to some of those teslas.
They catch fire.
Something so powerful, soconcentrated passes them on the
highway.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
They burst into flames that's the raw
masculinity of mike switzer yeah, well, let me tell you you some
got nothing for that do you.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
No, the charging stuff is very important.
A lot of people don'tunderstand it and it's going to
take a lot of training.
It's going to take a lot ofpeople.
It takes a lot of effort, justlike everything else does.
I mean, you guys are like oh,diesel feels so much easier.
It isn't, it isn't.
You got to store it, you got tomove it, you got to contain it.
You got to contain it, get deaf, you get all the other things
to go with it.
Electricity has the same woes,but in a different way.
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You got to obtain it, you gotto house it, you got to connect
it and you got to be trained onit.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeah, well, two things for that.
Number one diesel is easier.
Now Go back to 1924 and see ifdiesel was easier when they
still had horses and donkeys onthe job site, because getting
diesel out there was such anightmare.
So give it time, give itanother hundred years and see
how easy this electric stuff is.
But secondary from that, forgetabout charging, forget about
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electric vehicles.
Let's just talk aboutelectrical power going into a
building.
There is so much happening inthere and for something that is
so ubiquitous in our lives andsomething that is so present as
electricity, people don't get it, man.
I mean, if you're sitting thereshoveling out there in the yard
and you go through the mainpower line to the to the
building, you're not even thereanymore, you're just blasted
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into space by this electricity.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
You know it's kind of like one of these deals If you
don't know what you're doing,you shouldn't mess with it and
that's why I say the training isvery important.
Otherwise, that thing is goingto show up on a job site and
everybody's going to be allgooey eyed and everything's
going to be great, and they'regoing to just plug this thing in
because we got to get moving.
And then it's going to be likewhen you rip the lid off the Ark
of the Covenant it's going tomelt your face right and
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everybody just turns theskeletons and falls over.
Yeah, but you can't release alightning bolt upon the job site
.
Okay, you can't be doing that.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Well, that's how they shot that special effect.
They got the little guy thatwas in R2-D2.
They put him in the box.
They had him over theelectrical cord going into
Warner Brothers Studios.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
As soon as they opened the lid, that was his cue
to jam the shovel into the lineand melt that everybody's face
off what's solely what it was.
They had to fire hose and theyhad the electric line running
inside of it, and when he cutboth those things together it
immediately vaporized everybodyon site.
But thank god they captured iton video, spielberg released it
and we got one of the bestscenes of all time in a movie
yeah, single take, you can't dothat anymore you can't do this
in a multiple take.
It's like jaws.
That shark was so screwed upall the time, they just were
(09:30):
lucky for the footage they gotoh yeah, you know it's, it's
wild.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
We talked about jaws.
When I saw jaws for the firsttime, I must have been six years
old and I was afraid to go in.
I wasn't only afraid to go inthe ocean, I was afraid to go
into the pool.
I was afraid that shark wasgoing to come out of the toilet,
my ass out.
And I showed jaws to my kidsand they were laughing their
asses off.
They loved it.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
It's when first time I saw jaws.
It had been out for a long timeby the time I saw it.
And, um, I remember they rentedjaws and they rented the little
mermaid.
I watched a little thisermaid.
I watched a little.
This is funny.
I watched the Little Mermaidbecause I was little.
I'm like five years old, youknow, whatever.
You know they're singing Underthe Sea.
And then later on they thoughtI was asleep and I'm sitting
there on the couch watching Jawsand I'm like it's another, you
(10:18):
know, fish movie.
This is great, yeah.
And then this lady's gettingripped across the fucking bay
out there, you know, and I'mlike five years old, pissing
myself on the couch, then I'mgetting yelled at because the
couch is wet, you know, I mean,meanwhile, none of this is my
fault, okay, this, actually thefear in that movie when I was
five years old is similar towhen you see the.
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You see the russian at 45 milean hour flying through a rest
area and you know, you know thatthe hood that you just spent
four hours over the weekendpolishing is about to get ripped
off.
That's, you know that's goingto happen.
And then you got to politelyknock on the door and say, hey,
you took that from me.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
And you know what you get in response.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
You know what you get in response I drive
Freightliner Big truck, move outof the way.
And what you get in responseyou know what you get in
response I drive freightliner,big truck move out the way they
shut the door and drive off.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
They don't know we got to get oleg on the phone we
got to get him on the phone.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
He's just perfect.
Well, olympia transport they'regreek, but they're not.
The greeks own it, but they'renot greek driving.
I telling you right now, theylook the same standing next to
each other.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
They're not You've got.
You've got Oleg and Piotr andwho else?
Camille?
That's it.
What a nightmare I love it, itis, it is.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
You imagine those guys showing up at a job site
like like 4 am to start loadingup a D11 and taking it apart?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Oh, I can.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I loading up a d11 and taking it apart.
Oh, I can't, I don't think Iwant.
I think they butcher the sheepbefore they make the gloves out
of it right there on the site.
I can't talk about theirgirlfriend that way.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
That's bad this is the focal.
This is the one where we allget canceled.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
It'll be great, every one of these run the verge of
getting canceled and have no, nofriends.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
That's why we're, that's why we're unbranded,
unowned, unaffiliated andunsubstantiated the whole thing
about that, though, is thatthese guys are waiting to hear
their name called out on thething.
Hey, chris, how you doing?
They listen to these, they waitfor it, they love it you gotta,
you gotta, have a rant everynow and then.
You know I mean like I have arant every now and then because
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it's it's real life.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
you know, I'm an end user and my guys are end users.
I don't use it as much as theguys do.
But you know what?
I buy the stuff.
I get pissed off by buying it.
I get pissed off by warranty.
I get pissed off because of howit's being used, Not by my guys
, but by the guys that we don'temploy, that we only get out of
the union halls and then we getpissed off about how dirty it
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gets.
So let me tell you something wejust enacted a new initiative.
Whether you're a smoker or not,there are variations of smoking
.
Grew up with smokers.
I know a lot of people thatsmoke.
Today we just have initiationor initiative to.
It is an initiation, but it'san initiative as well to not
smoke in any commonly usedequipment, which means all of
our heavy equipment will notallow to be smoked in anymore.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, Well, that makes total sense.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
It makes total sense.
It's the same with tobaccochewing you can't be chewing and
spitting in the machines.
But what's really bad and thisis the hard part of the industry
that we're in, because we havelike a cross-generational riff
you got guys that are in theirlate 60s.
They're trying to retirebecause they got in a little
late.
And then you got the young guyscoming up, the guy in his 60s.
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He shows up on the job site.
Listen, he's got the corncobpipe hanging out of his mouth.
He's got a bag of tobaccostuffed up behind her.
He never leaves, he works allday.
He's a productive guy.
You got to go and tell that guyhey, you can't smoke in that
machine.
Well, he stares you down fromup in the cab and scrapes the
tobacco tar out of the pipe andsmacks it on the side of the
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door, shuts the door and goesback to work.
It's dedication.
It's hard to curve that.
It's true, though You'resupposed to send a guy like that
home?
No, it's a hard thing.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
It's a hard thing, but you do have that
cross-generational thing.
And you know one thing I alwayssay you know like growing up in
the late 70s, early 80s it isso hard for people to understand
that everything smelled likesmoke.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Oh, you didn't notice it.
That's the thing.
Everything did that everythingback in time, today, five years
old you'd be sick.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
You'd be sick if you're 65 years old.
You've been smoking your wholelife.
You don't even smell it.
You don't.
You literally don't understandwhat these kids are talking
about.
And if you're 20, 25 years old,even 30 years old, you probably
grew up in a world without thatsmell being in your life.
Unless your parents smoked,because unless you're walking by
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it somebody smoking in the parkor out in front of a building,
you never experienced it.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
No.
And then imagine you get thisbrand new, brand new Lee bear
300 ton haul truck on your joband the very first guy to get in
that baby is your most seniortruck driver and he's going to
get in it and try it out.
He's going to be in there withthe Lee bear guys giving them
the thumbs up, saying, hey, Ilike it, I think it's put
together well, and then he pullsout that pipe and lights her up
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.
First thing exactly no, it'srough.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Well, while we're back on the topic of libra, I
was wondering how we were goingto get back to it, so that was
very like how I did that right?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I do I commend you.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
They just got a four billion with a B $4 billion
order for electric haul trucks,excavators, wheel loaders and
charging equipment from theAustralian firm Fortescue.
Fortescue, obviously thelargest mineral mining operation
in the world, and we have aguest today.
(15:40):
It is the CTO of Fortescue,paul Hogan.
Paul Hogan, no, no.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
That ain't a truck.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
That ain't a truck, that's a truck.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
It's a truck, christ.
You bring a truck on a ride,yeah, and in a year, oh fuck, we
got to do this exactly again.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
No, it is not our fate.
Um, yeah, so kind of a funintroduction.
We've already been talking fora little bit here, so, uh,
really excited to have AndrewCarlisle on today.
He's the managing director ofthe mobility business at
Fortescue Zero.
Andrew, you're calling in allthe way from the UK.
Thank you so much for being onthe show.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
No, no, thanks, so much Thanks for having me Really
looking forward to theconversation.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Joe, well, as soon as you said that you actually
listened to this show, I becameimmediately terrified because,
like nobody should be forced tolisten to my nonsense, I
appreciate your uh willingnessto put yourself through that I
think you have some greatconversations, so I look forward
to be part of the dialogue.
The original impetus for, uh,putting this show together was
the announcement at mine expothe massive purchase of the
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Liebherr equipment fromFortescue which I keep trying to
say Fortescue but I know it'sFortescue so I apologize for
that if I get it wrong butthat's a multi-billion dollar
investment in some reallymassive zero emission machinery.
Can you tell us a little bitabout that?
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Yeah, no, of course I mean.
I think, firstly, we're veryfortunate to have a chairman
that is incredibly passionateabout decarbonisation.
He really wants to make adifference and a difference to
the world.
So he's committed to the entirecompany that we're going to do
real zero by 2030.
So not net zero, real zero by2030.
And as part of that,essentially we are decarbonising
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the entire mine operation.
So every single piece ofequipment you can imagine on
that mine site will beelectrified and decarbonized in
some way.
So the announcement they werekind of well, a couple of
announcements that happened lastweek, but particularly the
Liebherr announcement last weekwas really around the core
minehole track, which is theLiebherr T264 and the electric
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power system around that.
So it's a huge deal for us andthere's a huge amount of
engineering effort that goesinto that truck and the
integration of that power systemto that truck.
But they will get into the minesite and will really start to
help decarbonize the operation.
So incredibly exciting for us.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Well, the other thing that's really exciting about
this is you guys are one of thefew companies that is truly
going to a zero carbonizationplan.
That's the goal.
You're not talking about buyingcarbon credits or offsets or
anything.
You are truly trying todecarbonize.
So hats off to you on that.
The announcement from thismorning the Fortescue Zero
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Marine Battery Pack that'ssomething that you guys are
manufacturing yourselves out ofthe new advanced manufacturing
center in Detroit, and I thinkthis is huge, because not only
are Fortescue mining thematerials in a sustainable and
low carbon way, but you're alsogoing to be manufacturing them
in that way and distributingthem in that way.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah.
So decarbonization is reallyimportant to us full stop, right
, let's be clear.
And if we can help customersaround the world decarbonise,
we're there to help them right.
So you know, whilst we areabsolutely kind of committed to
decarbonisation in the industry,and the mining sector
particularly, you know we wantto also take those products and
solutions more broadly acrossother mobility kind of
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businesses.
So where I sit is really kindof leading the mobility business
units.
That's anything from highperformance automotive through
to the leisure industry right,all the way through to big
industrial kind of class eight,class six trucks, right.
So that's we're full spectrum.
So we really want to kind ofmake a difference and we're
really kind of pushing.
One of the key messages you'llhear our chairman talking about
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all the time is the power of now.
You don't have to wait, thereare solutions available.
So it's get on with it, stopthe excuses and really get on
with it.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
So you mentioned the high-performance automotive, you
mentioned the leisure space,but this announcement is
specific to the marine industryand we have seen a couple of
luxury boats, luxury yachts,volvo Penta drivetrains coming
out that are capable of electricdrive, but this is a marine
battery pack.
How is a marine battery packdistinct from an on-road or a
(20:05):
BESS energy storage battery pack?
What makes it different?
Speaker 3 (20:13):
makes it different.
Yeah, so well, I think, firstand foremost, you know, we feel
there is huge growth potentialfor electrification in the
marine space and in the leisuremarine crafts, a huge growth
coming Very much a consumerdriven industry, right?
So people want to make adifference, people want to
decarbonize, but what we'vecreated, then, is a solution
that is versatile and adaptableto go into those boats.
Right, we're not just taking anautomotive battery and putting
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it into a boat.
We're thinking about the usecase and developing a battery
that works for boats.
Right, and we've got a greatpartner called Evoa Propulsion.
Evoa understands this marketreally well and has great
relationships with a number ofthe major OEMs across North
America and in Europe.
So we're really trying topartner with them to make sure
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that we can deliver this highvoltage marine battery and make
sure it's fit for purpose forthat industry.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I think that's a really good distinction, because
you're talking about Evoa andthe powertrain and they're
obviously capable of more than athousand horsepower and ungodly
amounts of torque right off theline.
You know the right propellerdesign, this thing's going to
come right up out of the waterand get moving.
But it's important to note herethat you guys are producing
battery power for the drive unit, where other battery solutions
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for leisure boats and luxuryboats have focused on replacing
the smaller generator thatdrives the accessories that
drives the house lighting andelectrical equipment and
refrigerators and things likethat.
So is your marine battery packeffectively replacing both of
those systems or are youfocusing on the drive
specifically?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
It'll replace all of it, so it'll be the drive and
all the entertainment systems orwhatever else you have on that
boat.
We're really looking to replaceit all and in the end of the
day, if you replace thedrivetrain, that's where the
core of your emissions come from, right.
So we really want to kind ofmake a difference to
decarbonization, as I keeptalking about.
So it's important to us, sothat's the core focus and so
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that's why we're really goingafter that.
It's not particularly a greatanswer, jay, but I gave it my
best shot there.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
No, I think that's a solid answer.
Okay, okay, all right, we'll gowith that.
Here's why I think it's a solidanswer.
Right, because when you talk toa Brunswick Marine and let's go
back to CES 2022 when I talkedto those guys and interviewed
them, right?
This is one of my firstinterviews for Electrek they
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were very adamant thatenergizing and electrifying the
drive unit, while that wasbeneficial, was, at the end of
the day, inefficient use of alimited resource in batteries,
and what they were focusing oninstead was replacing that
generator with the battery pack,which is why that's always at
the front of my mind.
And what they talked about wasthat those generators, whether
they're propane or diesel, wereeffectively unregulated
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emissions and that the carbonemissions there were actually
significantly worse than youmight think.
You know, pound for pound,horsepower to horsepower, than
the drive unit, which is one ofthose answers that probably
pencils out and might be correctand might be technically
correct right which, as we allknow, is the best kind of
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correct but it's an unsatisfyingresponse.
So, even though your answer maynot be the one that you wanted
to hear it it may not be that 30second sound bite that gets
everybody to electrify it's amuch more satisfying response to
say like look, this thousandhorsepower engine is the one
making all the emissions, that'sthe one we have to electrify.
So like thank you for saying itWell, and I think more than
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that.
You know, when I was a youngkid, I grew up in Miami, so we
were around boats all the time,and one of the things that
always struck me and I'm talkingabout four years old, five
years old I vividly rememberthat sheen of oil on the top of
the water.
Yeah, and it was like a rainbowkind of purple and easy thing,
and I used to look at that and Iused to think it was beautiful.
(24:00):
And now, knowing what I knownow, I should have been
horrified.
I should have been absolutelyhorrified at what I was seeing.
But I'll ask you a question.
In this way, throughout Europe,we're starting to see certain
lakes, especially freshwaterlakes, implementing no internal
combustion engine bands orinternal combustion engine bands
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and pushing those motors andthose boats out of the lake to
preserve that environmental kindof aspect of it, to preserve
the wildlife, to preserve thefishing game.
We are starting to see some ofthat in Canada the wildlife, to
preserve the fishing game.
We are starting to see some ofthat in Canada.
We're starting to see some ofthat in California and certain
lakes.
Do you anticipate seeing moreand more of that regulation, or
(24:44):
do you simply think that peoplewho live on the water don't want
oil and diesel and gross fuelin the water?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I think it'd probably be a bit of both, joe, in full
transparency.
So I think regulation will come, and it needs to come and needs
to come faster.
So I think there will beregulation.
But I also think that consumersare starting to understand the
importance of climate change andthe importance to protect the
environmental environment aroundus.
So I do think that consumerswill continue to get more and
(25:13):
more invested into these decarbchallenges and these decarb
solutions that are available.
So we believe that with EVOA,you have the ability to have a
completely clean powertrainsolution for these electric
vessels and actually haveperformance that's equivalent or
even, to some cases, betterthan the existing kind of
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internal combustion enginesolutions.
The other thing, joe, is thatwhen you've got these kind of
cleaning solutions, you canchange the way you use them too
right.
So rather than feeling like youhave to then kind of take your,
your boat at the, in your, inyour lake house, at the end of
your garden, to a pontoon to goand refuel up for the weekend,
you have the ability to put acharger at the end of your
garden to a pontoon to go andrefuel up for the weekend.
You have the ability to put acharger at the end of your
(25:53):
garden, you charge up your boat.
You don't have to go anywhere.
So it gives you the opportunityto kind of from a consciousness
, you're looking after theenvironment around you.
But it also simplifies andmakes your user experience much
better too, so we're veryexcited to partner with Ivar on
this.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
All of this is going to be coming out of a new
manufacturing facility that isin Detroit.
Obviously, from the Americanfolklore, stuff gets built in
Detroit.
That's where engines come from.
It's the Motor City, right.
So you guys manufacturing thesepower packs effectively where
for the last 100 years we'vebeen building horsepower I, I
think, is symbolicallysignificant as a australian
(26:37):
company, as someone from the uk,as a brit, if you will, um,
does fortescue buy into?
Uh, does fortescue buy intothat myth and do they see
themselves kind ofreinvigorating and adding to
that mythology?
Or, you know, was it somethingboring like tax incentives that
(26:57):
led you there?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
no, no, not at all.
I mean, yes, we've got a goodtax incentive plan from detroit,
and you know the michigan team,so that's incredibly great too.
You know and I don't want tounderplay that they were they're
incredibly supportive of uscoming to there.
But equally, we want to be partof the Detroit Renaissance,
right, we do.
We absolutely want to be there.
The facility that we'reestablishing is next to where
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the Model T was firstmanufactured.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Oh, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
It's great to see that change and that revival of
the industry in a completelydifferent way, and the reason
that we want to come to Detroitis a lot of our customers are in
the US.
They're looking formade-in-America solutions and we
want to be there for them,right?
So what we're incrediblyexcited about here is that this
(27:43):
high-energy marine pack is thefirst of many, right.
It really is the first productto utilize our scalable battery
module technology, which allowsus to really create scalable and
customized solutions for awhole raft of applications in
mobility.
So this is it's a greatlaunchpad for us, joe, but this
is just the start.
(28:03):
So we're incredibly excitedabout putting our roots down
properly in Detroit.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I love it.
Andrew, we're coming to the endof our time commitment here.
I want to be respectful of that.
Thank you so much for coming onthe show.
I hope it's only your firstappearance and it'll be the
first of many.
It looks like production atyour new Fortis Q0 facility is
expected to begin Q4 of nextyear.
To begin Q4 of next year.
(28:29):
Hopefully many moreannouncements between now and
then.
For people who are interestedin what you guys are doing and
want to follow the company'sefforts at decarbonization,
what's the best way for them tofollow along and reach out to
you?
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Well, I think certainly, kind of the LinkedIn
channel is amazing, right, soLinkedIn and our website is
amazing, so there's lots ofvideos and posts that go up
there, the progress we're makingand it's lots of progress, joe.
So, whether that be the minehaul truck, whether it be an
Infinity electric train, a hugeamount of growth as well as
solutions that we're deploying.
We're incredibly excited aboutthese scalable solutions that
(29:03):
I'm talking to you about todayand really putting down our
roots in Detroit.
We believe these solutions canreally help high-performance
automotive, leisure and marinecustomers, right, and we're
certainly here to help.
Please, if any listener oranybody wants to kind of reach
out to me, they're more thanwelcome anytime, right?
So please connect and I'd loveto talk to you and see how we
(29:24):
can help you decarbonize.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Fantastic.
We'll put all of your personalcontact information, social
security number and bankaccounts online.
And, yeah, the best part is wedo this unscripted.
I know I don't even know how weget through these, but hey,
andrew, thank you for being onthe show.
That was awesome, michael, why?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Listen.
No, he's a good dude.
I'm going to tell you right nowthat product that they're
putting out there is top notch.
It's first class.
It always has been.
It's got a lot of stuff that isoverlooked in a lot of other
OEMs.
If you take the time to walkaround a Liebherr product
similar to what we were talkingabout with the Volvo guys they
all have their own things, butit's very well thought out, very
(30:06):
well thought out product andyou only get that by listening
to the people that actually runit.
And you only get that fromlistening to the people exactly
where they run it.
Not just some guy that thinkshe knows what you need, but
somebody on the actual siterunning it right there day to
day.
And I give Lieber a lot ofcredit for that because
absolutely that statement wascorrect.
(30:27):
They can look at a lot of otherstuff on the market and go, nah
, nah, this ain't a truck, thisis a truck oh, oh, we're
defending it.
Yes, yes, that's what I meant byit.
Yes, yeah, I'll tell you.
I mean, you just use the earsof the ams.
You get a lee bear truck, youpull it up there, you go yeah,
this is the truck.
(30:47):
The other one's sitting overthere.
It's got to be brought out forcompetitive demo reasons, got to
get three competitive quotesand all that stuff.
Meanwhile, guys like andrew andmyself are sitting there going
why don't you, uh, pull itaround over there so we can get
some shade, exactly?
And then they stand in theshade from the other
competitor's truck and watch theLiebherr perform all day.
It's perfect.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah, that happens, especially in some of these
mining operations.
You know, it was funny.
I was talking to Andrew aboutit before we did the recording
and he was laughing with mesaying that he actually listened
to a couple of the episodes.
I thought he was making it upand then he started quoting
stuff back to me.
I was horrified that somebodythat real in the industry was
actually listening to these.
(31:26):
But, piss judgment.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Do you know how many people comment to me about that?
They're like, oh, the heavyequipment podcast, that's you.
I was like, yeah, Well, twothings get asked all the time.
I'll tell you what it is.
One who the hell is Piss Jugman, and how did you find that?
And then the other one is whydo they call you Hot Mike?
It's like because my mic isalways hot.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
It's always on Joe spends a significant amount of
time editing out what I'm aboutto talk about and what I'm about
to say to say if peopleunderstood that we record about
two hours of material and editit back to a tight 42 minutes,
they'd be like, what do you guysdo for four hours on that thing
(32:08):
?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
like what's a lot of, uh, a lot of um I know joe's
wife wants to know what's goingon for two hours in that room he
doesn't care.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
She thinks I'm in the bathroom.
Oh, that's true.
She's like oh, he, just, youknow he goes to poop.
He's in there for 40 minutes onthe phone.
God knows what he's doing, Idon't care.
She thinks I'm in the bathroom.
Oh, that's true.
She's like oh, he, just, youknow he goes to poop.
He's in there for 40 minutes onthe phone, god knows what he's
doing, I don't care.
Finally get some peace and quietwithout that idiot in my living
room.
Then you return and take theremote.
Can I see?
I swear man, I, I will.
I've said this before.
Uh, I don't know if I've saidthis on the show.
(32:36):
I'm pretty convinced that shethinks I'm some kind of sheepdog
, because at night if we'rewatching a show even if I'm
watching it like I'm into theshow, I'm watching it.
When she decides it's time togo to bed, she didn't say
anything she turns off the TV,gets up, turns off the light and
goes upstairs and just leavesme sitting there in the dark,
like well, you can follow me ornot, I don't care, oh I heard
(32:58):
this.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I heard this incredible story.
We were talking about this twobrake trailers on a job site.
Okay, listen to this yeah, thisties in two brake trailers.
On a job site, one guy brings atv in and his whole crew's
sitting in there and they'rewatching the news.
Another guy says, oh, that, oh,that's great.
They go to Walmart, get some$90 TV, they bring it into the
(33:22):
job trailer.
On the other side, they'reliterally sharing a common
five-foot wide, four-foot widewooden walkway.
Sure, they have the TV on there.
They're watching movies.
Windows are aligned so you cansee back and forth.
And, like on the movie GrumpyOld Men, the guy leans over he
forth.
And, like on the movie grumpyold men, the guy leans over.
He's got a, he's got auniversal remote and just as
(33:42):
this, this stuff would good.
Good, he would turn the tv offand the other guy's job trailer
and you want to talk about iratehave a bunch of millwrights and
they're trying to take apart atv and figure out why the
electricians are screwing withthem.
Oh yeah, this is, this is bad.
Meanwhile, these guys are inthere talking about heavy
Thousand ton press.
They're in there trying toalign this baby within a few
(34:02):
thousand so it sets everythingup the way it's supposed to and
doesn't, you know, bore itself ahole into the center of the
earth from a miscalculatedimpact, right, oh yeah, and
they're mind blown already.
They just need some peace andquiet.
They want to watch Wheel ofFortune and the guy goes I'd
like to buy a vowel.
And they're waiting, and thenit turns off.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
That's true, see.
Now, that is why the road rageconversation is so critical,
because when you get one ofthese guys all worked up like
that, he's liable to reach overinto his Milwaukee M18 fuel,
dual battery, electric chainsawand go to town on these idiots.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Oh no, without a doubt.
Without a doubt.
I do like that segue.
Yeah, without a doubt, that'sfor sure.
He's going to build.
See, it's going to happen.
Missouri will take that brandnew.
They haven't released it yetand everybody should keep an eye
out for this.
Milwaukee has a backpack leafblower coming out with a slab
battery on it instead of agasoline-powered one.
Now still beat them to themarker with this.
(34:58):
But Milwaukee refined it alittle bit further and I've seen
some of these units.
They're very protected.
They won't let them out oftheir sight, but I did see it.
They lightened it up and somemillwright that's pissed off at
the world is going to turn thatinto a Gatling gun.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
It's going to be like RoboCop.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Better alive you gatling gun.
It's gonna be like robocop.
We better alive you're shimmingwith me.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
We could take one of those and we could build a legit
nerf minigun that goes throughabout 1100 rounds a minute,
listen.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
You want to nerf miniguns.
Gonna put a hole in a drywall.
That's what we got people betty, sue over at the neighbor's
house.
While we get the kids rollingon this baby, we'll be shooting
marbles attached to foammissiles.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Oh man, I got a paintball gun that we got
upgraded to about 17 joules.
I'm not sure how much it is,but when it hit my back.
I almost went down, dude.
I was like oh, down immediately.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
I mean not to rip off , you know.
Back to the future one moretime.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
But you know, when this baby hits 17 jewels you're
gonna see some serious bills butuh, yeah, I mean, you know it's
funny I I did this uh articleon the milwaukee's really doing
a good job with the electric jobsite equipment one of the best
in the industries.
They really are, and it's funnybecause I think for a long time
(36:21):
they were kind of resistant tothe electric tools.
They were kind of more knownfor air tools I'm talking going
back into the nineties, rightand it really seems like they're
going all out with this.
They have a ton of newaccessories coming out all the
time.
I get stuff in my inbox youknow about, like Milwaukee
battery powered, you know,different radios and shop lights
(36:42):
and things like that, andthey're really kind of taking it
seriously.
And then I get these otherthings and I don't want to.
I don't want to necessarilypick on these guys, but it's
hard to take Makita seriously.
When the last three Makita adsI've gotten emailed to me were
for a cordless espresso machine,a camp radio and some blender
(37:05):
type thing, I'm like what areyou doing with these things on a
job site?
Like, are you guys even ahardware tool company anymore?
What the hell's going on overthere?
You're looking for that Makitacoffee maker right now, aren't
you?
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Well, I was.
I'm like where did you findthis?
We have all this stuff thatgets thrown at us and I have not
seen some of this stuff you'verambled off.
Yeah, I got.
There's a lot of frivolous crapthat that people have to
produce, but a milwaukee coffeemaker that's battery powered I
could see that stop.
I could see that we talkedabout coffee makers in the last
(37:38):
one.
What you need is two things Forthe Euro guys, you need a
forged battery-powered 12.0battery plugged into a teapot.
You're an idiot.
And then for the US guys, youneed a coffee maker powered by
the same thing, but that is apercolator.
(37:59):
It's got a little grinder pumpin the bottom of it.
You know, when uh joe bob therelikes to build uh coffee, when
I say build, because it's thickenough you can chew it.
Then you can village, pump thatback over again and re-brew it
and when you get done you end upwith a nice espresso that's
like.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
That's like the masons they make the, uh, the
coffee so thick, they just useit as mortar.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Oh, but yeah, look at this, I just I guess I just
sent it to you.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
It's the dcm 501z for our british and australian
followers here.
But yeah, it's a 12 volt maxcxt lithium ion cordless coffee
maker from makita and it's, uh,just absolutely baffling.
That's not even their only one,they have an 18 volt version I
got nothing yeah well you knowwhat, though?
Speaker 2 (38:47):
that thing's compact that might fit in the cab of the
new uh tb395 wheeled excavator.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Those wheeled excavators, man, we talked about
this a little bit on the lastshow, but those are really
making a comeback.
You know, they went away for awhile and then volvo brought
theirs out and we got.
We got to play with that alittle bit at volvo days.
Ah, see, another plug for them.
And uh, you know, now this newone and I I can't pronounce this
, but it's takuchi, I guess ishow takuchi, takuchi, takuchi.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Now and then.
I mean, it depends on who youask for, it can be pronounced.
Touch my coochie, it can bepronounced.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah, that's how I always knew.
I was like oh look, the newtouch my coochie.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
That's another one that I hear a lot on the job
sites.
I mean, you know.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
We'll censor all of these, yeah we're not going to
be disrespectful to the.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Takahuchi guys, because, as a purchaser of
Takahuchi for many years, manyyears, that wheeled excavator is
badass.
It should be used in manymunicipalities across the US.
Where else are you going to geta small little guy like that on
wheels?
Volvo, they have one I.
I don't know if itachi'sselling one right now.
(40:03):
I think they are in othermarkets, but not in north
america.
Because, if you, you knowhere's the thing about takuchi's
release it says and there's akey word in what I'm about to
say here it says takuchi'stb395w wheeled excavator arrives
in north america yeah, arrives,they've had it.
They released it to the northamerican market.
Yeah, takuichi's TB395W wheeledexcavator arrives in North
America yeah, arrives, they'vehad it.
They released it to the NorthAmerican market, yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Hitachi has a couple, but they're all in either
Europe or Africa.
They're not available in theStates.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yes, there's a lot of people countrywide that could
use that thing, I think morethan people realize I really do
Until I had spent some time in awheeled excavator again, I
hadn't been in a wheeledexcavator probably six or seven
years and when I got back inthat thing I realized I was like
dang, there are so many usesfor this, so many things you
(40:51):
could do with this and not tearstuff up, yeah.
You're not going to use it as apeat bog and go out there and
dig your way over to yourneighbor's house.
That's not what you're going touse it for.
Select work, hard ground.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah, but I also like this because you know,
especially the Takahuchi one, ithas two different steer modes.
You can steer it with just thetwo wheels or you can do four
wheel steering and really turnthis thing around in a tight
circle.
Four-wheel steering and reallyturn this thing around in a
tight circle.
And I think those two thingsare going to enable you to put
this into places where you mightnot think something this big
(41:26):
could go.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Well, again, municipalities, if you get to
get behind something.
You're trying to work your waythrough some small alleyway and
you can't move a million thingsand it's just you and two other
guys from the city garage orjust a small utility contractor
or a landscaper.
You got to drive over somethingand you got to fix something
with this thing.
(41:47):
There you go tree guys, treeremoval guys, avante, avante.
Used to have a four-wheeledmachine like this, but not like
an excavator, but those are.
Those are good machines too no,I like that.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
I was laughing at you because, uh, I was.
I was sitting here talking withuh, my father-in-law and we
were talking about a tree thatwe've got in the yard that is
starting to loom over the houserather uh menacingly, so I may
hire it out, I might.
He made the comment he goes yougot to get an arborist in here
to pull that down.
I said you don't need anarborist, you just need a tree
guy.
(42:21):
And like, what I meant by thatwas like you don't need some
formal anybody, you just needsomebody with a big old saw to
come rip this thing down.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
You don't need somebody to shape that baby back
into something worth keeping.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
No, just get that thing out of there just get that
thing out of there.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yeah, I see a weird world of uh equipment going to
those guys.
Look at all that stuff thatthose guys climb trees with.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
We gotta do a whole forestry episode because those
guys are incredible.
Man, every once in a while Iget sucked into some tiktok
thread or something, where thismassive arm comes through, rips
a tree out of the ground andtakes all the branches off in
about a second and a half andand I don't know, it's real
exciting it does something forme, I got to admit.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Sick mind, joe, it's so hard.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Well, I think we've peaked with that.
That's the end of this one.
We barely had anything in here.
Let's close out with a wordfrom our unofficial sponsors
here Chase and Sanborn Coffee.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
By the way, they do still seem to be a real company.
We should probably reach out tothem.
Uh, I think we should sue us.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
You know, we need to send them a bill, send them an
invoice.
Just, yonas, did you sponsorthe heavy equipment podcast?
They say here we owe thirty sixthousand dollars what did you
say?
Speaker 2 (43:34):
his name was?
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Eunice oh, eunice, that's from Mama's Family.
That's a deep cut.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
That was deep.
I used to watch that.
I forgot all about that GreatOf course you used to watch it.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
She'll get on there.
Naomi, you get on out of here.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
She's like 30 years old when she did that skit yeah,
she was.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
She did that.
That show ran for like 15seasons, dude, because it was so
relatable I don't know who itwas relatable to, but yes, it
was you had the stupidson-in-law.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
You know they called them.
They called the daughterskeeter.
That was was always funny.
I forgot about Skeeter you callyour wife Skeeter, that's it.
You thought you were a lap dogbefore.
Wait till you get back on thefloor.
You'll be sitting on the floor.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Won't be allowed on the couch.
You ain't allowed up here,Skeeter.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
The only thing worse would be if you pooped on the
rug.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Oh man last thing, I swear we'll sign off.
I read a tweet from a guy theother day.
He said about four years ago Iwas showering with my wife and I
thought I'd be funny and try tofart on her and I misjudged it
and shit all over her leg.
Now we're getting divorced andI can't help be funny and try to
fart on her and I misjudged itand shit all over her leg.
Now we're getting divorced andI can't help but feel these two
(45:02):
things are related.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Well, one wrong projectile shit could end a
relationship.
That's probably accurate.
Whether it's in the car, in theshower or outside, it's never
good.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
It doesn't really matter where it acts.
You poop your pants above theage of 30, someone's going to
side eye you.
Wow, that's terrible.
Why don't we just close it offwith the theme from Mama's
Family and hope for the best interms of legal?
(45:42):
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