January 17, 2025 • 42 mins
On the first thrilling HEP-isode of 2025, we explore one of the most pressing issues in the trucking industry: parking! We also cover the failures of policy and regulation in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis, emphasizing the historical neglect of rail, and whether or not we actually need any of the stuff we need. All this and more – welcome to 2025!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I need McDonald's and we're going down with all kinds
of Skittles here.
I got all kinds of Mountain Dewcoming out the back of the bunk
.
Let's hit the record button.
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Oh shit, you already got it on.
Just nothing but go-gurts andjawbreakers Everlasting
gobstoppers.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Almost got in a wreck last week.
Hit the brakes and all themgobstoppers rolled up underneath
the air ride seat and got stuckunderneath the pedal.
I couldn't push the clutch downthat was a really weird phase.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Why was that?
All you would eat for like amonth I'm back on it, bud.
I've lost 20 pounds I thinkthat's a good way to lose 20
pounds.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Hey, it's better than losing it at the stall on the
flying jay.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It's oh yes, hey, speaking of which, did you see
the the loves is selling off allof its hotel?
They ought to burn them all.
I think they're already burningthem all, but no, I think
that's a serious thing because,like, first of all, what a great
idea to have hotels associatedwith your travel stops, because
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now you've got a place to parkthe truck and you can actually
get into a hotel and get ashower and sleep in a normal bed
so you know, great idea you canstop your truck, you get a
place to park that and all that.
But also I had no idea they hadhotels.
Did you know this?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
yes, we've never stayed at them, though, but let
me tell you this they ought tobe going in there with
flamethrowers, like they'retrying to decontaminate an old
Congo village out in theAmazonian areas.
You can just go in there andburn them down.
That's it Calling the fastmovers.
With the heavy napalmeradicated, because you know why
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.
We need more truck parking.
We can't get off the road as itis.
I got drivers calling andcomplaining all night long that
they can't find a place to park.
Trucks are all tangled up.
Had a truck get clipped theother day.
We talked about that on one ofthe other episodes.
It's just, it's bedlam outthere.
It's chaos.
If you want to leave anything,they charge you for stuff.
It'll leave a wide load at aTennessee truck stop.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And they charged us every night while I was there
waiting, while we were waitingon a permit from their great
state.
And look, it's really rough,right, Because you can't seem to
get anything now and I'm nottalking about right wing, left
wing, none of that because youlook at this last truck parking
improvement act that they triedto push through in the last
Congress.
They had 52 sponsors, a prettyfair mix of Republicans and
Democrats, and they couldn't getthat through.
Nobody is interested in solvingthis problem unless it puts
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money in their pocket.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Dead straight.
When you come in somewhere, ifyou're driving anything nice,
you talk to any of the driverson the road.
What do they look for?
They look for the freightliners and they look for the
Volvos and they look for allthat and they see where those
are and they see where those areparked and then they start
looking for the square hoods.
Square hoods are usually owneroperators.
Guys got nicer stuff, know howto park, know how to leave in
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the morning, get yourself allnestled in, rode out real nice,
got a little bit extra space outthere checking stuff.
And then you know oh, it'sstarting to get dark.
Some guy pulls in and parksright in front of eight trucks
sideways and shuts her down forthe night.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Oh no, it's brutal and it's brutal.
There there doesn't seem to bea standard kind of education
about how to compose yourself onthe road anymore.
It used to be.
There was kind of an unspokenrules of the road, and
especially with truck drivers.
You know we used to get on theroad and you know now I'm going
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to sound like an old man, butyou know you go 30, 40 years
back.
If you were driving down theroad next to a semi truck, you
knew that the guy next to youwas going to be the most
attentive, sharpest, best driveryou were going to encounter
that day.
Now I don't know, man.
I figure half these guys don'thave licenses of any kind, let
alone CDL.
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They're swerving all over theplace if they're not on their
phone.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
No, it's bad, you know.
I mean it's hard to drive whenyou get your legs up on the dash
cruise control set.
You're playing a video game andwatching a movie all at the
same time.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I know it and you know I'm the first guy.
Well, I usually the second guy,you're the first guy but you
know I'm among the first peopleto respond in favor of labor and
against automation.
But when you have a nationwidedriver shortage, you have an
entire economy that's based onshipping and moving things by
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truck truck and you can't getenough people in there and you
just get so desperate thatyou're putting you know, I I
don't want to say human garbagebehind the wheel, but you're
putting people who have nobusiness being behind the wheel
of an 80 000 pound semi-tractorand you're putting all that on
the road.
You kind of start to wondermaybe we should start automating
some of these things.
We need more trains.
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We need to move more stuff forthe rail.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
It's the Heavy Equipment Podcast.
We've talked about locomotives,we've talked about engines
before.
Mass movement of freight inthis country has always been
done via rail.
It was supplemented by on-roadtrucking, and when we made a
shift away from that, we had ashift when we got away from
warehousing materials.
We got away from buildingrailroad spur lines and being
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able to manage your inventoryflow and cash flow to
just-in-time.
Just-in-time came aroundbecause it was cheaper, it was
easier to just pick up the phoneand now people that have Amazon
Prime oh I need this, so Idon't need to go anywhere.
It'll show up at my doorsteptomorrow.
You got to get back to rail.
Rail fixes a lot of problems,keeps a lot of it off the street
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.
If you're picking up somethingin Washington State and you're
taking it to Miami Florida andit's not going on a train, we
got a serious problem.
Unless it's absolutely neededto forego an emergency or
somebody's problem, put it on arail and ship it yeah, I think
the uh, the instantgratification culture, the just
in time culture.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I hesitate to speak ill of lord bezos, though,
because, like I gotta tell you,if I can't have kitty litter
delivered to my doorstep in twodays, I'm gonna kill myself.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Listen, the guy stopped, started in a little
closet space selling books andselling stuff online, and it's
grown to what it is.
Obviously there's a need for it.
Yes, there is a total purposefor it.
However, what I'm getting at isyou can't run a business off of
it.
You shouldn't be running abusiness off of it.
You shouldn't be running stuffday to day, hoping, hoping and
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praying your Amazon deliveriesdrop off your goods.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, and there's a lot of shops out there, a lot of
companies out there that arerunning that way.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah, exactly, leave the Amazon stuff for absolute
emergencies and all the absoluteneeds that have to happen.
And you know, oh, we can't getit any other way or normal
vendors can't get it, but Ifound it on amazon, so get it
this one time.
Leave it for that, but yeah,but it has a place, it has a
purpose.
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He has created something thatis.
That is incredible, and youknow he's got a hell of a
workforce working for him.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
He does.
But look at what happenedduring covid, right, and we're
talking now four years back, orwhich is crazy to think that
we're coming up on the five-yearanniversary of COVID now.
But think about what that was,where you had airports shutting
down, you had shipping terminalsshutting down and Amazon,
because they had their ownairplanes, their own truck fleet
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, their own terminals, when therest of the world was shutting
down, they were still operating,and not only operating.
They were operating moreefficiently because they weren't
having to slot in between otherflights or figure out their
cargo manifests around otherboats.
I think that really created forthem something insurmountable
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that I think, unless there'sanother, you know, some other
kind of global reckoning here, Idon't think there's going to be
an opportunity for somebodyelse to catch them.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Almost as if it was planned.
Oh Christ.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
You've been talking to Neil again.
I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I'm kidding.
And Mr Bezos, wherever you maybe residing on top of your 24
karat gold, whatever it is, wedon't mean any ill towards you,
so please call off the dronestrike.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
No, I'm worth more to Amazon, alive than dead.
You and me both.
So what are we going to talkabout today?
It's been a good couple ofweeks.
We had the last episode, we hadthe Fortescue mines, that giant
, big old truck that they hadthere, I think you know.
Interesting to kind of get backto this.
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We talk about highways andtrucking and rails and things
like that and we always talkabout this kind of bygone era.
And we always talk about thiskind of bygone era and I think a
lot of that came with this ideathat as Americans we used to
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build stuff Damn it Right Likewe used to build Hoover.
Last week there was a four pointtwo billion dollars released
for what they callinfrastructure projects.
Like you know, bridgemaintenance overpasses things
like that, and even though that,a lot of that was based off of
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that tragedy of the bridgecollapse that we were talking
about, you know, when that, thattanker hit that bridge, the is
$4 billion.
That won't even buy you astealth bomber anymore.
That's not a lot of money.
So how are we going to keepbuilding stuff and keep the
infrastructure going while thepopulation is growing, while the
demand for goods and things isgoing?
How are we going to do that?
Because you know, we've got anew guy, an old friend that we
all deeply know and love, cominginto power here again in
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January.
And he's not talking aboutbuilding bridges, he's not
talking about putting in rail.
What's going to happen here?
Speaker 1 (09:54):
No, it's, that's why I brought all that up.
I mean we we need a seriousinfrastructure douche and right.
And because we got to flush outall the old stuff that isn't
working.
We got to go through andre-implement.
What do we need out ofinfrastructure for
transportation and movement offreight?
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What do we need it toaccomplish for us?
And where you could poll theuniverse, aliens will tell you
we suck at getting around.
We need efficient highways tohelp with some of the massive
truck traffic that we have.
We need to add to our railroadsbecause the railroads right now
call anybody at the unions thatsupport the railroad effort.
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All of those transportationunions will tell you there is
not enough emphasis being put onrail traffic right now.
We need passenger traffic byrail.
We've talked about thatmultiple times.
Everybody says it can't be done.
No, we can be done.
We have some of the most unusedland in the world.
Now, I'm not saying that.
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Some of the densely populatedareas yes, it's going to be
challenging.
Some of the densely populatedareas, yes, it's going to be
challenging.
But if you're trying to getfrom New York, pittsburgh,
cleveland, chicago, we got to beable to do it better than we're
doing.
And anybody that's gotten on atrain in Cleveland at 2.30 in
the morning via Amtrak it's notthe best experience out there.
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But they're trying.
Give them some operating breaks, give them what they need to be
able to go out there.
And?
But they're trying.
Give them some operating breaks, give them what they need to be
able to go out there.
And add to that, make it wherepeople want to go from.
You know, in my home state ofOhio you want to be able to go
from Cleveland to Columbus on atrain and get there in an hour
and a half and not have to driveit Well.
Put it in Well, that's a decadeof jobs.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
That's a decade of support.
More than that, if you look atlike, actually do this.
If you're listening to this andyou're listening to this, we
talk about China all the time,and the reason we talk about
China is because, like America,they have a huge workforce.
Like America, they have naturalresources like wood, steel,
timber, and, like America, theyhave a huge open space in
between, effectively, twocoastal regions, in the South
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and in the East.
For them, and for us, it's inthe East and the West.
Now, if you go back to the early2000s, 2006, 2007, 2008,.
We had a global real estatebanking crisis, and the way that
the two countries responded tothat set the stage for the next
15 years that we're living innow, where they have surpassed
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us objectively, materially,indisputably surpassed us in
manufacturing, and one of thereasons they did that was
because they initiated anational rail program.
Look at a map of China's railprojects in 2006 and look at it
today.
And now look at America's.
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And instead we have spentbillions of dollars on
underground hyperloops in Texasthat don't work.
We've spent billions of dollarssubsidizing airlines and all
they've done is done stockbuybacks and screw over the
labor unions, which is a wholedifferent show.
All that we have done is bailout automotive companies who
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have turned around and spentanother $20 billion in stock
buybacks to funnel that taxpayermoney directly back into their
own pockets.
The amount of corruption andgreed that has halted progress
in this country is staggering.
And when you look at othercountries, you look at European
rail, you look at Chinese rail,japanese rail.
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If you are any kind of personwho has ever traveled this great
green earth of ours, you comeback here and you go.
I don't know what people aretalking about.
The greatest country in theworld.
There's a lot of things thatmake America great, but the idea
that it takes a thousanddollars and half your day to fly
from New York to Californiawhen they have figured out how
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to get on a train in the UK andgo at 300 miles an hour to
Germany for 40 bucks isembarrassing.
We are so far behind in so manyways.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
It's totally embarrassing.
And if you look at any 1950s,1960s film I'm not even talking
the 80s Look at where theythought we would be in 2025.
In the 1950s yeah, 70 years inthe future We'd have floating
shit that went down the highwayand scratched her ass.
We, we don't have that at alland I'm mad about it because I
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don't like my drive as it is andnothing's making it better.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Oh, I thought you were mad about it because you
didn't have a bidet and I waslike I thought we got you one of
those.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Oh, the guy cleaning my car don't like that I use it
in it.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
But you don't like that you use it in the car.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
So no, but my whole point is that people back then
we had so much momentum and somuch progress and people thought
for sure we were going to befloating cities in the sky and
we thought we were going to havefloating automobiles.
It would be like the Jetsonsover here.
Yeah, and it's not.
Yeah and it's not yeah.
Closest thing, the closestthing that we have to anybody
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coming up with any kind of thingthat relates to the Jetsons, is
Musk and Elon's trying tofigure that crap out and figure
out how he can put people inspace.
That builds so much jobs, thathas so much infrastructure to it
.
It is limited for right now.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Going back to Lord Bezos, though he's trying to put
some people in space.
He's got Shatner, that's true.
You know it's funny.
We're getting to a point now weare way off topic.
We're getting to a point nowwhere it's not going to be, you
know, black or white, or rightor left or Republican, or
Democrat or Christian or Muslim.
It's going to be Elon or Bezos,and you're going to have to
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pick a side.
The universe could not handlethat kind of conflict.
I don't see Elon's littleRoboTax is delivering my
groceries on a Tuesday morning,so I already know what side I'm
on.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
All I know is if somebody pulls up and the door
opens up and it says welcome toJohnny Cab, I sure as hell ain't
getting in that thing we saw.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Hang on, hang on would you okay, because this is
a legitimate question now,because we just had this robo
taxi unveiling about a month ago.
Right, because, as we'rerecording this, that happened a
month ago.
So there is now a legitimatecompany out there, a trillion
dollar valuation company outthere, with a guy who is deeply
entrenched in the upcomingadministration.
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So all the legal barriers to uh, you know, to putting a vehicle
like this on the road are goingto be presumably overcome.
So this is something that'shappening, right.
Do you think that people wouldbe more or less accepting of a
robot taxi if it had, like, avoice and a face like that that
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they could relate to and talk to?
Or is it just like the factthat it's totally open and
sterile?
Does that make it morewelcoming?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
well, all I know is if some automatronic thing turns
around and looks at me and asksme something creepy, I'm
getting out.
I don't need some guy in thepassenger seat because I'm on a
group ride, lifting up his shirtand trying to, you know,
hypnotize me into becoming partof their clan.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
That's not gonna happen you have a very
interesting life.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
That stuff just don't happen to me let me tell you,
when you're trying to get fromchicago o'hare international
airport, 2, 30 in the morningand you got to make your way to
southern indiana oh, yeah, ithappens between there and there
oh well, remember my, uh, mypurple lights in the field.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
That was a weird one that was gas.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
You have gas anyways.
You know, that's the thing.
Infrastructure is somethingthat has always carried this
country through.
It is always something that wedo.
We constantly evolve eachitself, we evolve everything
around us, we evolve all of ourbeing into something more
efficient, more mobile, morefree to move around as we need
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to.
We've talked about this before.
You know, the Eisenhoweradministration was one of the
ones that.
Go listen, these cow path roadsyou guys have are dangerous.
We're going to build aninterstate system.
Interstate.
It started in the 50s.
It started actually before that.
But when they starteddismantling trolley cars and
stuff like that out inCalifornia and they started
actually putting the roadways in, some people say that that was
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kind of the end of that era.
But we have to get back to that.
We got to get more efficientmodes of transportation for
people.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, I think, as an American, there was something
that was put.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Hold on, look at this , hold on on, hold on.
This is the other thing too.
Let's talk about americanschevrolet, gmc.
You can't have a chevy lot inevery town full of cars that, no
matter how you finance those,is going to cost you between 600
and 1200 a month.
No, and not at the current rateof inflation that we're dealing
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with, with groceries and foodand house payments and interest.
You can't do that.
Give people stuff that letsthem get to work efficiently,
safely, and then watch how theyspend their money on the things
that they need to buy and watchhow they spend their money on.
You want to talk about ahousing boom, free a bunch of
people of car payments that areone third of their house payment
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, yeah, or more or more.
Get somebody who's like.
All of a sudden they're like,yeah, we can buy that house that
actually fits us, because Idon't have a 1400 a month
payment on a uconn.
No, but I mean.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
A lot of this goes back to this whole idea of like
do you need a uconn?
And this is look two, twothings.
First one about infrastructure.
There was an idea and it wasplanted by all those madmen
advertising guys in the 60s and70s that said automotive
ownership, the ownership of aprivate car, is a sign of
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success and publictransportation is for poor
people who can't afford cars.
And that idea was marketed sosuccessfully that we still
inherently think about thattoday.
And if you talk to people likeand again, I'm not trying to
make this sound like Germany orSouth America or Asia is better
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than the States, because Igenuinely don't believe that,
but there are some things thatthey got right and some things
that we got wrong and the ideathat you have a successful
economy when rich people takepublic transit is something that
here in America we could reallyadopt and it would make it
better for all of us.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I agree.
I mean, we talk aboutconstruction equipment.
We talk about Volvo andLiebherr and those guys that
make great quality equipment andwe talk about all of these
things that Hitachi builds andmining and all that.
A friend of mine is a vicepresident of equipment over one
of the largest paving companiesin the area, and I don't mean
like they pave a section of roadfor the city of whatever in
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Ohio.
They pave interstate miles andmiles of it in a crack.
They do their own mining.
They bring all their ownmaterials.
They make all their own stuff.
If you want to talk aboutexploding people's net worth,
their paychecks, their jobs, getsome of this stuff on the table
and then, you know, you get allthese other people like, wow,
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how are we going to pay for that?
You know, taxpayer dollars aretapped as it is Now I don't know
.
Stop giving the money to GM topay back all their stock, to
turn around and screw you out ofall this money by a $1,400 a
month.
Uconn.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
A hundred percent, man.
Look, let's talk about whathappened.
We talked about 08 and 09 andthat decision that some
countries made to invest ininfrastructure and the decision
that America made to bail outthe banks.
You had people who had a$400,000 loan on their house and
then the next day their housewas worth two hundred thousand
and they were two hundred grandupside down.
So what happened?
When the taxpayer dollars thatcame from that poor bastard who
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was upside down in his housewere used to bail out the bank
so that they were no longer twohundred grand underwater on that
home, that poor schmuck whostill owns that house is still
$200,000 under.
They never got that bailed out.
The banks were bailed out, butthen they still collected
$400,000 on that $200,000 home.
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It was disgusting and offensivewhat happened, and that
continued with the automotivebailout and everybody likes to
say, oh well, ford didn't get abailout, ford got the biggest
bailout of them all.
But Ford was smart enough tosay, look, ford Motor Company
doesn't need a bailout.
Why don't you go bail out FordMotor Credit, which is
technically a separate company?
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Listening to this and you'renot aware of that?
Ford took the biggestgovernment bailout of them all
and they had a massivepropaganda campaign saying that
they were the only ones whodidn't do it.
And it was again I keep usingthe words embarrassing and
offensive because the trillionsof dollars that went into the
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stock market when COVID hit tokeep that afloat, that went into
the banking industry to keepthat afloat.
I hate to tell you this, man,but if you were 200 grand upside
down in your home and the bankgot bailed out, if that bank had
gone under, you wouldn't haveanybody to pay 400 grand to.
You would have had your home.
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That would have been great.
Those bailouts were completelyat the service of the very, very
wealthy investor class and tothe detriment and denial of the
hardworking people in thiscountry.
And, frankly, if you want to getreally crazy, that's why Trump
won, because we were told overand over again, not only by
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Harris and not only by Biden andyou know I.
You know I vote blue most ofthe time.
I'm not a Trump fan.
I didn't vote for the guy.
You know they kept tellingeverybody the economy is great.
Look at Wall Street, look atthe Dow, look at the S&P, look
how great that's doing.
And I'm sorry, dude, but whenI'm sitting there trying to
decide whether I'm going to havemilk and eggs or pay my power
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bill.
I don't care what the Dow Joneslooks like.
And they didn't get it.
And that's why these guys wonthe election the way they did,
because they got it and theyspoke to those people and they
didn't try to gaslight them intosaying, hey, look, you know, as
long as the Wall Street bankersare making their money, into
saying, hey, look, you know, aslong as the Wall Street bankers
are making their money youshould be happy, which, no,
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we're not happy.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Burn it down, let's go.
Yeah, because since the 80s,everybody has been gaslighted
into saying, as long as WallStreet's doing good, we're all
doing good.
No, we're not.
Only a group of people aredoing well and the rest of
everybody is working for it.
You know, we talk about driversand drivers on the road.
A lot of these drivers on theroad that are being thrown into
a subpar truck and travelingdown the highway and being
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forced to do reckless, recklessoperations, driving beyond their
limits, driving beyond theirschedules.
In the old days it was workingtwo and three log books to
satisfy your dispatcher.
All you guys that are drivingout there that are doing this,
you, you're working for the man,okay, and years ago and they
used to call it the man there'sthe government, it was this, it
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was that it was anybody aboveyou.
In reality, what, what's goingon, is middle class people have
turned into slave supporters ofwhat you just talked about.
Yeah, we all work, we all paytaxes.
We buy things and pay taxes onthem.
Again, pay taxes on our housesthat we want to buy.
We rent an apartment.
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We pay taxes on everything elsebut the apartment's rent,
depending on where you're at,and in some places you pay taxes
and HOAs on top of that, andyou pay taxes on the stuff that
the HOA does.
You pay taxes and HOAs on topof that, and you pay taxes on
the stuff that the HOA does.
By the time we turn around, allof our money is swallowed up by
what is supposed to be helpingus.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah, but I want to take issue with that because we
don't have a middle classanymore, the way that our
parents experienced it.
Dude, think about this Again.
You're listening to this.
You're a young cat.
You're 30 years old.
You're not familiar with how itwas.
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You have no idea.
You have no idea what has beentaken from you.
The jobs in the fifties andsixties go watch an episode of
unsolved mysteries.
The jobs in the fifties andsixties were so good that people
working men, middle-classworking, traveling salesmen
could have multiple families,that the wife didn't work and
they didn't know about eachother and he could support them
all on his one job.
(26:54):
You can't do that anymore.
You got to have one family.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
That's horrible no, exactly, exactly now you got two
, two parents working to supportthe one.
Yeah, back in the 50s and 60s,like you said, you've got a guy
who's got a wife in two cities.
He's got this suburb where hebuilt his new house in.
He's got a wife downtown.
Yeah, you've got your.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Cincinnati wife and kids, and you love them.
And then you've got yourFlorida wife and kids.
Or husband, depending on whereyou were at in that era.
Listen, there's nothing wrongwith that, anybody that hasn't
watched.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Fellow Travelers watch it, because that's the
whole real thing going on what'sFellow Travelers?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I don't know about this.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Oh Jesus, mother Mary .
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Jesus, it's like.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Brokeback Mountain without the beans and cowboys.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
It really is a series about businessmen and stuff
like that that had boyfriendsand secret relationships way
back in the day and it's reallycrazy to think how all that was
going on while they all weremarried, while they all had
legitimate lives.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah, it's wild, but they could afford it.
You know we talk about that'swhat I'm getting at.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
We're going to dive into this, all right.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
We're doing it, guys that live on the road
Socioeconomics.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yes, guys that live on the road understand this.
It was a shift into what wasimportant and what is deemed
important.
There's a big difference there.
What you're led to believe isimportant is one thing and
what's truly important isanother.
There were a lot of men andwomen that lived in what would
be considered a studio apartmenttoday that had a small little
(28:35):
kitchenette area, that had anarea for a bed, had an area big
enough for a recliner.
They threw the radio on whenthey wanted to listen and they
were stuck at home.
Otherwise, they were out.
They were out socializing, theywere out being with people or
they were working.
If you're riding in a truck andyou live out of a truck five
days a week or however many daysit is between home and there,
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you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
You Googled this the average size of a new home in
1955, when you had one manworking, the wife at home, three
or four kids in the house, ifnot more right number was 2,400
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square feet and you had fewerkids in the house, and this goes
back to $1,200, $1,400 a monthcar payments.
There is the idea and you saidit exactly right of what is
actually important and whatyou've been led to believe is
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important, and you have been ledto believe that you need a
thousand square foot for everyperson in the house.
You've been led to believe thatyou need a nice new car every
five years that costs a hundredthousand dollars.
And think about what we've lost.
Man, you used to be able to buy, you know, a Ford Escort or a
Ford Tempo.
My first vehicle, my first newvehicle that I bought on my own,
(30:03):
was a Dodge Dakota pickup truckin the 90s and it was brand new
and it was $188 a month and Iwas upset.
I was worried about making thatpayment.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I totally get it, and that's what I'm trying to say
is we had shifted away from allthat.
It's because you know you catchpeople in their emotional state
and you catch them in a waywhere buying those things makes
them feel good, hmm, and anybodythat's ever sold anything
(30:37):
understands that moment ofopportunity where the salesman
smells it and goes this feelsgood to go drive a brand new
truck, did you always?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
need it no.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
You know, if you work on things and you like tools
and you understand craftsmanship, it feels great to get on a
snap-on truck and sell your soulto the devil for $25 every
waking minute of your life fromhere on until the 4th.
Teddy's not the devil, what areyou talking about?
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Anyways, yeah, yeah, because you got a nice new
wrench and it's shiny to bootand it's got a nice colored
handle on it and that's great.
Have you felt the one now thatI that I just got where it's?
It's a ratchet, but you liketurn the handle like a
screwdriver and it's like alittle tiny, like a like a
hundred.
Oh, it's so good.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Let me tell you something when val gets on
facebook and she's preying onall these men and she's doing
all her snap-on little gadgetget-do videos and all that stuff
and the skimpy shirts and thetight shorts, that's sales.
And all across America snap-onguys and I've asked a bunch of
them that stopped by.
How many people get on here andreference Val?
(31:53):
The one goes Jesus, I sell moretools because of her and she's
not even anywhere close to me.
That's sales that is sales.
Do you need the shit?
No, go buy a craftsman fromlowes.
Go call your milwaukee guywhoever sells milwaukee and buy
a wrench.
Those wrenches aren't bad icon.
If you're only working on stuffon the weekends.
(32:13):
Usually you can get by withicon tools from harbor freight.
But we spend the money withsnap on because we like it.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I know, and I think I I'm the most guilty one of all,
because I think I have a bunchof that stuff that I don't think
I've ever used, just becauseit's cool.
I work at a desk, why do I have?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
any of this exactly my point.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Oh yeah, a bunch of mini tire spoons to put o-rings
on stuff.
Oh oh, I could use that $400later.
That's great.
It's only $4 a week.
What are you talking about?
$25 every working minute ofyour day for life.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
There you have it.
Well, joke's on him.
If I drop dead he isn't gettingpaid In the old days.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
In the old days, you cashed your check and the
snap-on guy gave you back whathe could.
Yeah, think about that.
You brought your paycheck tothe snap-on truck.
He pulled the cash drawer overand said $400 paycheck.
Here's $300, kid, thanks forplaying.
I got a $400.
Now, think about this, becausethis is an honest-to-God true
(33:15):
story.
My dad worked at a shop.
He had had a newborn and he hadall these things, and my older
brother was just was just young,and the shop goes hey, you got
to provide your own.
Uh, floor jack just got out.
I just got out of this truckingbusiness, just sold my truck,
got out of there with my shirt.
Now, now I got, I'm alreadybuying tools and you gotta tell
(33:35):
me I go buy a floor jack I got.
I gotta go buy food yeah up on.
Guy pulls up later that day.
He goes hey, do you needanything?
Is you got a floor jack on thetruck?
He goes I do, it's not cheap,he goes.
Well, they're telling me Igotta have one.
It's a 300 floor jack.
In 1977, yeah, he had to givethe guy 20 bucks a week for a
(33:59):
while.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I don't look.
You know, your dad was a hugepart of my life too, and when he
passed it broke my heart andI'm sure it broke yours.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
But in a moment of levity I think he just paid that
guy off, that's right Causethat guy's grandson was trying
to strong army for the last $50that account.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
I told him it's in the gas he's at the funeral, get
it.
Oh nice, that's a good one.
Well, you know one.
I'll tell you what, though, man?
We're talking about.
A lot of companies that tookadvantage of this through
corruption and greed, and youknow, shiny marketing and bare
naked ladies have takenadvantage of the American
(34:45):
working man, but one companythat's never done that and one
company that's always been therefor the American working man
Chase and Sanborn.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
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you.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
You got nothing for that, do you no?
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I just respect it.
I respect the Chase and Sanbornway.
It's a way untarnished by allthe things we've talked about
and the levity of how ourhistory is unfolding before us.
You can always count on Chaseand Sanborn to be there and be
constant quality.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Did I tell you I was got a?
Uh, I was able to source someauthentic chasing sanborn coffee
.
You did I did, and now you gotgray hair, I do it took me back
to another time, a time where Iam old I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
When they bring back cab overs in this country and
they get some k200s brought uphere from Australia, we'd be in
a better place so two things Iwant to talk about that are
serious.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
So we talked about owner operators for a little bit
here and I know we're coming upon our time commitment so I
want to be quick.
The first owner operator to goelectric in this country just
bought a Volvo VNR electric outin California.
He's a Salvidar's Trucking youknow again owner-operator.
He works the night shift at theDreyage Trucks.
(37:27):
He was able to use that eighttrip money from California,
along with the federal incentiverebate and a little kickback
rebate from Volvo there, todiscount the vehicle.
He was able to roll into thatthing effectively for free and
he's going to save a ton ofmoney driving that instead of
the diesel.
So good for him.
We want to obviously celebratea win like that and if you're an
(37:48):
owner operator, you're a driver, you're a fleet buyer.
Looking at this, look into theseincentives.
I'm not here to sell youelectric over diesel.
Just look into the incentives.
I'm not here to sell youelectric over diesel.
Just look into the incentives,see what your fuel costs are
going to be.
Because if you look at the last20 years of fuel costs diesel
costs in this country they go up, they go down, depending on
who's in office, depending onwhat's going on on the other
(38:09):
side of the world.
They go up and they go down.
But look at the price of akilowatt of electricity since
1976.
It hasn't moved more than apenny.
So if you want to have thatkind of ability to forecast out
your fleet costs and your fuelcosts two, three, five years
down the road, you have to belooking at this.
And if you're using someoneelse's money some of that
(38:31):
government money get some ofthat back.
Dude, that's your tax dollars.
Get them back.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Give it a look California, new york,
massachusetts, illinois I'mgiving away.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Illinois, here, is giving away 92 million dollars
for people to buy heavyequipment heavy trucks, medium
duty trucks that are electrifiedand, like you know, you're
sitting there havingconversations with people and
they're going.
I don't know if I want electricor not.
Dude, buy it, give it a try.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
If you don't like it, one just get one and get your
credit, because they're going tostart asking for those credits
they're going to want to seethat you have an electric
vehicle which they're going tohelp subsidize you for, and and
if you don't?
Speaker 2 (39:11):
know if they're not subsidizing it.
It's your money.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
You paid those tax dollars, Get them back, and
here's the thing.
And if you don't live in one ofthose states, you don't have an
office in one of those statesand you're like man.
I wish we did.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
I'm going to plug them.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
I'm going to plug them right now because they've
got a solution, for a UPS iswhat they call a suite.
Get yourself a suite.
You build yourself an entity inthat state.
You got drivers driving throughit.
If you got places that you docommerce in that state, it's 100
legal well it's not even legal.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
It's encouraged.
They want that revenue.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
That's what I'm saying.
Set yourself up, get yourselfan entity in that state, become
a partner of that state.
Get your free tax dollars thisentire show.
We've talked about how you'regetting screwed out of tax
dollars.
Get some of it back.
Find out what these programsare about.
People will guide you right tothe check, coming back through
(40:08):
your refunds yeah, and you'reright on people uh, people on
this show.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
In fact, you may be listening to one right now.
You don't even know it that'smy point.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
That is not me.
I am not going to work onpeople's w2s, 1044s, 10, 9s, izz
, gws.
God damn, whatever's not doingit.
Don't send me your tax forms.
I'm sorry there's gonna be someguy.
There's some guy who's fillingout manila envelope at the truck
stop right now like man.
They're sending my paperwork.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
I'm like five years behind, no no, I'm not doing it
if you're looking at no, but theirony is we'll get that.
Look at it going.
Look at all this money he'sgiving to the snap-on guy.
This guy should be on foodstamps.
We could really help this guydon't call us no, if you want to
forfeit it all to the snap-onman, we'll help you val will be
(40:58):
there to hand you a new wrench Ithink we've peaked.
We'll sign off with that one.
I need McDonald's and we're going down with all kinds
of Skittles here.
I got all kinds of Mountain Dewcoming out the back of the bunk
.
Let's hit the record button.
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Oh shit, you already got it on.
Just nothing but go-gurts andjawbreakers Everlasting
gobstoppers.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Almost got in a wreck last week.
Hit the brakes and all themgobstoppers rolled up underneath
the air ride seat and got stuckunderneath the pedal.
I couldn't push the clutch downthat was a really weird phase.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Why was that?
All you would eat for like amonth I'm back on it, bud.
I've lost 20 pounds I thinkthat's a good way to lose 20
pounds.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Hey, it's better than losing it at the stall on the
flying jay.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It's oh yes, hey, speaking of which, did you see
the the loves is selling off allof its hotel?
They ought to burn them all.
I think they're already burningthem all, but no, I think
that's a serious thing because,like, first of all, what a great
idea to have hotels associatedwith your travel stops, because
(01:01):
now you've got a place to parkthe truck and you can actually
get into a hotel and get ashower and sleep in a normal bed
so you know, great idea you canstop your truck, you get a
place to park that and all that.
But also I had no idea they hadhotels.
Did you know this?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
yes, we've never stayed at them, though, but let
me tell you this they ought tobe going in there with
flamethrowers, like they'retrying to decontaminate an old
Congo village out in theAmazonian areas.
You can just go in there andburn them down.
That's it Calling the fastmovers.
With the heavy napalmeradicated, because you know why
(01:36):
.
We need more truck parking.
We can't get off the road as itis.
I got drivers calling andcomplaining all night long that
they can't find a place to park.
Trucks are all tangled up.
Had a truck get clipped theother day.
We talked about that on one ofthe other episodes.
It's just, it's bedlam outthere.
It's chaos.
If you want to leave anything,they charge you for stuff.
It'll leave a wide load at aTennessee truck stop.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And they charged us every night while I was there
waiting, while we were waitingon a permit from their great
state.
And look, it's really rough,right, Because you can't seem to
get anything now and I'm nottalking about right wing, left
wing, none of that because youlook at this last truck parking
improvement act that they triedto push through in the last
Congress.
They had 52 sponsors, a prettyfair mix of Republicans and
Democrats, and they couldn't getthat through.
Nobody is interested in solvingthis problem unless it puts
(02:31):
money in their pocket.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Dead straight.
When you come in somewhere, ifyou're driving anything nice,
you talk to any of the driverson the road.
What do they look for?
They look for the freightliners and they look for the
Volvos and they look for allthat and they see where those
are and they see where those areparked and then they start
looking for the square hoods.
Square hoods are usually owneroperators.
Guys got nicer stuff, know howto park, know how to leave in
(02:52):
the morning, get yourself allnestled in, rode out real nice,
got a little bit extra space outthere checking stuff.
And then you know oh, it'sstarting to get dark.
Some guy pulls in and parksright in front of eight trucks
sideways and shuts her down forthe night.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Oh no, it's brutal and it's brutal.
There there doesn't seem to bea standard kind of education
about how to compose yourself onthe road anymore.
It used to be.
There was kind of an unspokenrules of the road, and
especially with truck drivers.
You know we used to get on theroad and you know now I'm going
(03:30):
to sound like an old man, butyou know you go 30, 40 years
back.
If you were driving down theroad next to a semi truck, you
knew that the guy next to youwas going to be the most
attentive, sharpest, best driveryou were going to encounter
that day.
Now I don't know, man.
I figure half these guys don'thave licenses of any kind, let
alone CDL.
(03:50):
They're swerving all over theplace if they're not on their
phone.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
No, it's bad, you know.
I mean it's hard to drive whenyou get your legs up on the dash
cruise control set.
You're playing a video game andwatching a movie all at the
same time.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I know it and you know I'm the first guy.
Well, I usually the second guy,you're the first guy but you
know I'm among the first peopleto respond in favor of labor and
against automation.
But when you have a nationwidedriver shortage, you have an
entire economy that's based onshipping and moving things by
(04:25):
truck truck and you can't getenough people in there and you
just get so desperate thatyou're putting you know, I I
don't want to say human garbagebehind the wheel, but you're
putting people who have nobusiness being behind the wheel
of an 80 000 pound semi-tractorand you're putting all that on
the road.
You kind of start to wondermaybe we should start automating
some of these things.
We need more trains.
(04:47):
We need to move more stuff forthe rail.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
It's the Heavy Equipment Podcast.
We've talked about locomotives,we've talked about engines
before.
Mass movement of freight inthis country has always been
done via rail.
It was supplemented by on-roadtrucking, and when we made a
shift away from that, we had ashift when we got away from
warehousing materials.
We got away from buildingrailroad spur lines and being
(05:12):
able to manage your inventoryflow and cash flow to
just-in-time.
Just-in-time came aroundbecause it was cheaper, it was
easier to just pick up the phoneand now people that have Amazon
Prime oh I need this, so Idon't need to go anywhere.
It'll show up at my doorsteptomorrow.
You got to get back to rail.
Rail fixes a lot of problems,keeps a lot of it off the street
(05:34):
.
If you're picking up somethingin Washington State and you're
taking it to Miami Florida andit's not going on a train, we
got a serious problem.
Unless it's absolutely neededto forego an emergency or
somebody's problem, put it on arail and ship it yeah, I think
the uh, the instantgratification culture, the just
in time culture.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I hesitate to speak ill of lord bezos, though,
because, like I gotta tell you,if I can't have kitty litter
delivered to my doorstep in twodays, I'm gonna kill myself.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Listen, the guy stopped, started in a little
closet space selling books andselling stuff online, and it's
grown to what it is.
Obviously there's a need for it.
Yes, there is a total purposefor it.
However, what I'm getting at isyou can't run a business off of
it.
You shouldn't be running abusiness off of it.
You shouldn't be running stuffday to day, hoping, hoping and
(06:24):
praying your Amazon deliveriesdrop off your goods.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, and there's a lot of shops out there, a lot of
companies out there that arerunning that way.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah, exactly, leave the Amazon stuff for absolute
emergencies and all the absoluteneeds that have to happen.
And you know, oh, we can't getit any other way or normal
vendors can't get it, but Ifound it on amazon, so get it
this one time.
Leave it for that, but yeah,but it has a place, it has a
purpose.
(06:52):
He has created something thatis.
That is incredible, and youknow he's got a hell of a
workforce working for him.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
He does.
But look at what happenedduring covid, right, and we're
talking now four years back, orwhich is crazy to think that
we're coming up on the five-yearanniversary of COVID now.
But think about what that was,where you had airports shutting
down, you had shipping terminalsshutting down and Amazon,
because they had their ownairplanes, their own truck fleet
(07:21):
, their own terminals, when therest of the world was shutting
down, they were still operating,and not only operating.
They were operating moreefficiently because they weren't
having to slot in between otherflights or figure out their
cargo manifests around otherboats.
I think that really created forthem something insurmountable
(07:44):
that I think, unless there'sanother, you know, some other
kind of global reckoning here, Idon't think there's going to be
an opportunity for somebodyelse to catch them.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Almost as if it was planned.
Oh Christ.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
You've been talking to Neil again.
I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I'm kidding.
And Mr Bezos, wherever you maybe residing on top of your 24
karat gold, whatever it is, wedon't mean any ill towards you,
so please call off the dronestrike.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
No, I'm worth more to Amazon, alive than dead.
You and me both.
So what are we going to talkabout today?
It's been a good couple ofweeks.
We had the last episode, we hadthe Fortescue mines, that giant
, big old truck that they hadthere, I think you know.
Interesting to kind of get backto this.
(08:38):
We talk about highways andtrucking and rails and things
like that and we always talkabout this kind of bygone era.
And we always talk about thiskind of bygone era and I think a
lot of that came with this ideathat as Americans we used to
(09:00):
build stuff Damn it Right Likewe used to build Hoover.
Last week there was a four pointtwo billion dollars released
for what they callinfrastructure projects.
Like you know, bridgemaintenance overpasses things
like that, and even though that,a lot of that was based off of
(09:26):
that tragedy of the bridgecollapse that we were talking
about, you know, when that, thattanker hit that bridge, the is
$4 billion.
That won't even buy you astealth bomber anymore.
That's not a lot of money.
So how are we going to keepbuilding stuff and keep the
infrastructure going while thepopulation is growing, while the
demand for goods and things isgoing?
How are we going to do that?
Because you know, we've got anew guy, an old friend that we
all deeply know and love, cominginto power here again in
(09:46):
January.
And he's not talking aboutbuilding bridges, he's not
talking about putting in rail.
What's going to happen here?
Speaker 1 (09:54):
No, it's, that's why I brought all that up.
I mean we we need a seriousinfrastructure douche and right.
And because we got to flush outall the old stuff that isn't
working.
We got to go through andre-implement.
What do we need out ofinfrastructure for
transportation and movement offreight?
(10:15):
What do we need it toaccomplish for us?
And where you could poll theuniverse, aliens will tell you
we suck at getting around.
We need efficient highways tohelp with some of the massive
truck traffic that we have.
We need to add to our railroadsbecause the railroads right now
call anybody at the unions thatsupport the railroad effort.
(10:39):
All of those transportationunions will tell you there is
not enough emphasis being put onrail traffic right now.
We need passenger traffic byrail.
We've talked about thatmultiple times.
Everybody says it can't be done.
No, we can be done.
We have some of the most unusedland in the world.
Now, I'm not saying that.
(10:59):
Some of the densely populatedareas yes, it's going to be
challenging.
Some of the densely populatedareas, yes, it's going to be
challenging.
But if you're trying to getfrom New York, pittsburgh,
cleveland, chicago, we got to beable to do it better than we're
doing.
And anybody that's gotten on atrain in Cleveland at 2.30 in
the morning via Amtrak it's notthe best experience out there.
(11:20):
But they're trying.
Give them some operating breaks, give them what they need to be
able to go out there.
And?
But they're trying.
Give them some operating breaks, give them what they need to be
able to go out there.
And add to that, make it wherepeople want to go from.
You know, in my home state ofOhio you want to be able to go
from Cleveland to Columbus on atrain and get there in an hour
and a half and not have to driveit Well.
Put it in Well, that's a decadeof jobs.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
That's a decade of support.
More than that, if you look atlike, actually do this.
If you're listening to this andyou're listening to this, we
talk about China all the time,and the reason we talk about
China is because, like America,they have a huge workforce.
Like America, they have naturalresources like wood, steel,
timber, and, like America, theyhave a huge open space in
between, effectively, twocoastal regions, in the South
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and in the East.
For them, and for us, it's inthe East and the West.
Now, if you go back to the early2000s, 2006, 2007, 2008,.
We had a global real estatebanking crisis, and the way that
the two countries responded tothat set the stage for the next
15 years that we're living innow, where they have surpassed
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us objectively, materially,indisputably surpassed us in
manufacturing, and one of thereasons they did that was
because they initiated anational rail program.
Look at a map of China's railprojects in 2006 and look at it
today.
And now look at America's.
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And instead we have spentbillions of dollars on
underground hyperloops in Texasthat don't work.
We've spent billions of dollarssubsidizing airlines and all
they've done is done stockbuybacks and screw over the
labor unions, which is a wholedifferent show.
All that we have done is bailout automotive companies who
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have turned around and spentanother $20 billion in stock
buybacks to funnel that taxpayermoney directly back into their
own pockets.
The amount of corruption andgreed that has halted progress
in this country is staggering.
And when you look at othercountries, you look at European
rail, you look at Chinese rail,japanese rail.
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If you are any kind of personwho has ever traveled this great
green earth of ours, you comeback here and you go.
I don't know what people aretalking about.
The greatest country in theworld.
There's a lot of things thatmake America great, but the idea
that it takes a thousanddollars and half your day to fly
from New York to Californiawhen they have figured out how
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to get on a train in the UK andgo at 300 miles an hour to
Germany for 40 bucks isembarrassing.
We are so far behind in so manyways.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
It's totally embarrassing.
And if you look at any 1950s,1960s film I'm not even talking
the 80s Look at where theythought we would be in 2025.
In the 1950s yeah, 70 years inthe future We'd have floating
shit that went down the highwayand scratched her ass.
We, we don't have that at alland I'm mad about it because I
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don't like my drive as it is andnothing's making it better.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Oh, I thought you were mad about it because you
didn't have a bidet and I waslike I thought we got you one of
those.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Oh, the guy cleaning my car don't like that I use it
in it.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
But you don't like that you use it in the car.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
So no, but my whole point is that people back then
we had so much momentum and somuch progress and people thought
for sure we were going to befloating cities in the sky and
we thought we were going to havefloating automobiles.
It would be like the Jetsonsover here.
Yeah, and it's not.
Yeah and it's not yeah.
Closest thing, the closestthing that we have to anybody
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coming up with any kind of thingthat relates to the Jetsons, is
Musk and Elon's trying tofigure that crap out and figure
out how he can put people inspace.
That builds so much jobs, thathas so much infrastructure to it
.
It is limited for right now.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Going back to Lord Bezos, though he's trying to put
some people in space.
He's got Shatner, that's true.
You know it's funny.
We're getting to a point now weare way off topic.
We're getting to a point nowwhere it's not going to be, you
know, black or white, or rightor left or Republican, or
Democrat or Christian or Muslim.
It's going to be Elon or Bezos,and you're going to have to
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pick a side.
The universe could not handlethat kind of conflict.
I don't see Elon's littleRoboTax is delivering my
groceries on a Tuesday morning,so I already know what side I'm
on.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
All I know is if somebody pulls up and the door
opens up and it says welcome toJohnny Cab, I sure as hell ain't
getting in that thing we saw.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Hang on, hang on would you okay, because this is
a legitimate question now,because we just had this robo
taxi unveiling about a month ago.
Right, because, as we'rerecording this, that happened a
month ago.
So there is now a legitimatecompany out there, a trillion
dollar valuation company outthere, with a guy who is deeply
entrenched in the upcomingadministration.
(16:28):
So all the legal barriers to uh, you know, to putting a vehicle
like this on the road are goingto be presumably overcome.
So this is something that'shappening, right.
Do you think that people wouldbe more or less accepting of a
robot taxi if it had, like, avoice and a face like that that
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they could relate to and talk to?
Or is it just like the factthat it's totally open and
sterile?
Does that make it morewelcoming?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
well, all I know is if some automatronic thing turns
around and looks at me and asksme something creepy, I'm
getting out.
I don't need some guy in thepassenger seat because I'm on a
group ride, lifting up his shirtand trying to, you know,
hypnotize me into becoming partof their clan.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
That's not gonna happen you have a very
interesting life.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
That stuff just don't happen to me let me tell you,
when you're trying to get fromchicago o'hare international
airport, 2, 30 in the morningand you got to make your way to
southern indiana oh, yeah, ithappens between there and there
oh well, remember my, uh, mypurple lights in the field.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
That was a weird one that was gas.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
You have gas anyways.
You know, that's the thing.
Infrastructure is somethingthat has always carried this
country through.
It is always something that wedo.
We constantly evolve eachitself, we evolve everything
around us, we evolve all of ourbeing into something more
efficient, more mobile, morefree to move around as we need
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to.
We've talked about this before.
You know, the Eisenhoweradministration was one of the
ones that.
Go listen, these cow path roadsyou guys have are dangerous.
We're going to build aninterstate system.
Interstate.
It started in the 50s.
It started actually before that.
But when they starteddismantling trolley cars and
stuff like that out inCalifornia and they started
actually putting the roadways in, some people say that that was
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kind of the end of that era.
But we have to get back to that.
We got to get more efficientmodes of transportation for
people.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, I think, as an American, there was something
that was put.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Hold on, look at this , hold on on, hold on.
This is the other thing too.
Let's talk about americanschevrolet, gmc.
You can't have a chevy lot inevery town full of cars that, no
matter how you finance those,is going to cost you between 600
and 1200 a month.
No, and not at the current rateof inflation that we're dealing
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with, with groceries and foodand house payments and interest.
You can't do that.
Give people stuff that letsthem get to work efficiently,
safely, and then watch how theyspend their money on the things
that they need to buy and watchhow they spend their money on.
You want to talk about ahousing boom, free a bunch of
people of car payments that areone third of their house payment
(19:26):
, yeah, or more or more.
Get somebody who's like.
All of a sudden they're like,yeah, we can buy that house that
actually fits us, because Idon't have a 1400 a month
payment on a uconn.
No, but I mean.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
A lot of this goes back to this whole idea of like
do you need a uconn?
And this is look two, twothings.
First one about infrastructure.
There was an idea and it wasplanted by all those madmen
advertising guys in the 60s and70s that said automotive
ownership, the ownership of aprivate car, is a sign of
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success and publictransportation is for poor
people who can't afford cars.
And that idea was marketed sosuccessfully that we still
inherently think about thattoday.
And if you talk to people likeand again, I'm not trying to
make this sound like Germany orSouth America or Asia is better
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than the States, because Igenuinely don't believe that,
but there are some things thatthey got right and some things
that we got wrong and the ideathat you have a successful
economy when rich people takepublic transit is something that
here in America we could reallyadopt and it would make it
better for all of us.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I agree.
I mean, we talk aboutconstruction equipment.
We talk about Volvo andLiebherr and those guys that
make great quality equipment andwe talk about all of these
things that Hitachi builds andmining and all that.
A friend of mine is a vicepresident of equipment over one
of the largest paving companiesin the area, and I don't mean
like they pave a section of roadfor the city of whatever in
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Ohio.
They pave interstate miles andmiles of it in a crack.
They do their own mining.
They bring all their ownmaterials.
They make all their own stuff.
If you want to talk aboutexploding people's net worth,
their paychecks, their jobs, getsome of this stuff on the table
and then, you know, you get allthese other people like, wow,
(21:30):
how are we going to pay for that?
You know, taxpayer dollars aretapped as it is Now I don't know
.
Stop giving the money to GM topay back all their stock, to
turn around and screw you out ofall this money by a $1,400 a
month.
Uconn.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
A hundred percent, man.
Look, let's talk about whathappened.
We talked about 08 and 09 andthat decision that some
countries made to invest ininfrastructure and the decision
that America made to bail outthe banks.
You had people who had a$400,000 loan on their house and
then the next day their housewas worth two hundred thousand
and they were two hundred grandupside down.
So what happened?
When the taxpayer dollars thatcame from that poor bastard who
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was upside down in his housewere used to bail out the bank
so that they were no longer twohundred grand underwater on that
home, that poor schmuck whostill owns that house is still
$200,000 under.
They never got that bailed out.
The banks were bailed out, butthen they still collected
$400,000 on that $200,000 home.
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It was disgusting and offensivewhat happened, and that
continued with the automotivebailout and everybody likes to
say, oh well, ford didn't get abailout, ford got the biggest
bailout of them all.
But Ford was smart enough tosay, look, ford Motor Company
doesn't need a bailout.
Why don't you go bail out FordMotor Credit, which is
technically a separate company?
(22:56):
Listening to this and you'renot aware of that?
Ford took the biggestgovernment bailout of them all
and they had a massivepropaganda campaign saying that
they were the only ones whodidn't do it.
And it was again I keep usingthe words embarrassing and
offensive because the trillionsof dollars that went into the
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stock market when COVID hit tokeep that afloat, that went into
the banking industry to keepthat afloat.
I hate to tell you this, man,but if you were 200 grand upside
down in your home and the bankgot bailed out, if that bank had
gone under, you wouldn't haveanybody to pay 400 grand to.
You would have had your home.
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That would have been great.
Those bailouts were completelyat the service of the very, very
wealthy investor class and tothe detriment and denial of the
hardworking people in thiscountry.
And, frankly, if you want to getreally crazy, that's why Trump
won, because we were told overand over again, not only by
(24:05):
Harris and not only by Biden andyou know I.
You know I vote blue most ofthe time.
I'm not a Trump fan.
I didn't vote for the guy.
You know they kept tellingeverybody the economy is great.
Look at Wall Street, look atthe Dow, look at the S&P, look
how great that's doing.
And I'm sorry, dude, but whenI'm sitting there trying to
decide whether I'm going to havemilk and eggs or pay my power
(24:28):
bill.
I don't care what the Dow Joneslooks like.
And they didn't get it.
And that's why these guys wonthe election the way they did,
because they got it and theyspoke to those people and they
didn't try to gaslight them intosaying, hey, look, you know, as
long as the Wall Street bankersare making their money, into
saying, hey, look, you know, aslong as the Wall Street bankers
are making their money youshould be happy, which, no,
(24:52):
we're not happy.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Burn it down, let's go.
Yeah, because since the 80s,everybody has been gaslighted
into saying, as long as WallStreet's doing good, we're all
doing good.
No, we're not.
Only a group of people aredoing well and the rest of
everybody is working for it.
You know, we talk about driversand drivers on the road.
A lot of these drivers on theroad that are being thrown into
a subpar truck and travelingdown the highway and being
(25:13):
forced to do reckless, recklessoperations, driving beyond their
limits, driving beyond theirschedules.
In the old days it was workingtwo and three log books to
satisfy your dispatcher.
All you guys that are drivingout there that are doing this,
you, you're working for the man,okay, and years ago and they
used to call it the man there'sthe government, it was this, it
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was that it was anybody aboveyou.
In reality, what, what's goingon, is middle class people have
turned into slave supporters ofwhat you just talked about.
Yeah, we all work, we all paytaxes.
We buy things and pay taxes onthem.
Again, pay taxes on our housesthat we want to buy.
We rent an apartment.
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We pay taxes on everything elsebut the apartment's rent,
depending on where you're at,and in some places you pay taxes
and HOAs on top of that, andyou pay taxes on the stuff that
the HOA does.
You pay taxes and HOAs on topof that, and you pay taxes on
the stuff that the HOA does.
By the time we turn around, allof our money is swallowed up by
what is supposed to be helpingus.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah, but I want to take issue with that because we
don't have a middle classanymore, the way that our
parents experienced it.
Dude, think about this Again.
You're listening to this.
You're a young cat.
You're 30 years old.
You're not familiar with how itwas.
(26:34):
You have no idea.
You have no idea what has beentaken from you.
The jobs in the fifties andsixties go watch an episode of
unsolved mysteries.
The jobs in the fifties andsixties were so good that people
working men, middle-classworking, traveling salesmen
could have multiple families,that the wife didn't work and
they didn't know about eachother and he could support them
all on his one job.
(26:54):
You can't do that anymore.
You got to have one family.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
That's horrible no, exactly, exactly now you got two
, two parents working to supportthe one.
Yeah, back in the 50s and 60s,like you said, you've got a guy
who's got a wife in two cities.
He's got this suburb where hebuilt his new house in.
He's got a wife downtown.
Yeah, you've got your.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Cincinnati wife and kids, and you love them.
And then you've got yourFlorida wife and kids.
Or husband, depending on whereyou were at in that era.
Listen, there's nothing wrongwith that, anybody that hasn't
watched.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Fellow Travelers watch it, because that's the
whole real thing going on what'sFellow Travelers?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I don't know about this.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Oh Jesus, mother Mary .
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Jesus, it's like.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Brokeback Mountain without the beans and cowboys.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
It really is a series about businessmen and stuff
like that that had boyfriendsand secret relationships way
back in the day and it's reallycrazy to think how all that was
going on while they all weremarried, while they all had
legitimate lives.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah, it's wild, but they could afford it.
You know we talk about that'swhat I'm getting at.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
We're going to dive into this, all right.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
We're doing it, guys that live on the road
Socioeconomics.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yes, guys that live on the road understand this.
It was a shift into what wasimportant and what is deemed
important.
There's a big difference there.
What you're led to believe isimportant is one thing and
what's truly important isanother.
There were a lot of men andwomen that lived in what would
be considered a studio apartmenttoday that had a small little
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kitchenette area, that had anarea for a bed, had an area big
enough for a recliner.
They threw the radio on whenthey wanted to listen and they
were stuck at home.
Otherwise, they were out.
They were out socializing, theywere out being with people or
they were working.
If you're riding in a truck andyou live out of a truck five
days a week or however many daysit is between home and there,
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you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
You Googled this the average size of a new home in
1955, when you had one manworking, the wife at home, three
or four kids in the house, ifnot more right number was 2,400
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square feet and you had fewerkids in the house, and this goes
back to $1,200, $1,400 a monthcar payments.
There is the idea and you saidit exactly right of what is
actually important and whatyou've been led to believe is
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important, and you have been ledto believe that you need a
thousand square foot for everyperson in the house.
You've been led to believe thatyou need a nice new car every
five years that costs a hundredthousand dollars.
And think about what we've lost.
Man, you used to be able to buy, you know, a Ford Escort or a
Ford Tempo.
My first vehicle, my first newvehicle that I bought on my own,
(30:03):
was a Dodge Dakota pickup truckin the 90s and it was brand new
and it was $188 a month and Iwas upset.
I was worried about making thatpayment.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I totally get it, and that's what I'm trying to say
is we had shifted away from allthat.
It's because you know you catchpeople in their emotional state
and you catch them in a waywhere buying those things makes
them feel good, hmm, and anybodythat's ever sold anything
(30:37):
understands that moment ofopportunity where the salesman
smells it and goes this feelsgood to go drive a brand new
truck, did you always?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
need it no.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
You know, if you work on things and you like tools
and you understand craftsmanship, it feels great to get on a
snap-on truck and sell your soulto the devil for $25 every
waking minute of your life fromhere on until the 4th.
Teddy's not the devil, what areyou talking about?
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Anyways, yeah, yeah, because you got a nice new
wrench and it's shiny to bootand it's got a nice colored
handle on it and that's great.
Have you felt the one now thatI that I just got where it's?
It's a ratchet, but you liketurn the handle like a
screwdriver and it's like alittle tiny, like a like a
hundred.
Oh, it's so good.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Let me tell you something when val gets on
facebook and she's preying onall these men and she's doing
all her snap-on little gadgetget-do videos and all that stuff
and the skimpy shirts and thetight shorts, that's sales.
And all across America snap-onguys and I've asked a bunch of
them that stopped by.
How many people get on here andreference Val?
(31:53):
The one goes Jesus, I sell moretools because of her and she's
not even anywhere close to me.
That's sales that is sales.
Do you need the shit?
No, go buy a craftsman fromlowes.
Go call your milwaukee guywhoever sells milwaukee and buy
a wrench.
Those wrenches aren't bad icon.
If you're only working on stuffon the weekends.
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Usually you can get by withicon tools from harbor freight.
But we spend the money withsnap on because we like it.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I know, and I think I I'm the most guilty one of all,
because I think I have a bunchof that stuff that I don't think
I've ever used, just becauseit's cool.
I work at a desk, why do I have?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
any of this exactly my point.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Oh yeah, a bunch of mini tire spoons to put o-rings
on stuff.
Oh oh, I could use that $400later.
That's great.
It's only $4 a week.
What are you talking about?
$25 every working minute ofyour day for life.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
There you have it.
Well, joke's on him.
If I drop dead he isn't gettingpaid In the old days.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
In the old days, you cashed your check and the
snap-on guy gave you back whathe could.
Yeah, think about that.
You brought your paycheck tothe snap-on truck.
He pulled the cash drawer overand said $400 paycheck.
Here's $300, kid, thanks forplaying.
I got a $400.
Now, think about this, becausethis is an honest-to-God true
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story.
My dad worked at a shop.
He had had a newborn and he hadall these things, and my older
brother was just was just young,and the shop goes hey, you got
to provide your own.
Uh, floor jack just got out.
I just got out of this truckingbusiness, just sold my truck,
got out of there with my shirt.
Now, now I got, I'm alreadybuying tools and you gotta tell
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me I go buy a floor jack I got.
I gotta go buy food yeah up on.
Guy pulls up later that day.
He goes hey, do you needanything?
Is you got a floor jack on thetruck?
He goes I do, it's not cheap,he goes.
Well, they're telling me Igotta have one.
It's a 300 floor jack.
In 1977, yeah, he had to givethe guy 20 bucks a week for a
(33:59):
while.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I don't look.
You know, your dad was a hugepart of my life too, and when he
passed it broke my heart andI'm sure it broke yours.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
But in a moment of levity I think he just paid that
guy off, that's right Causethat guy's grandson was trying
to strong army for the last $50that account.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
I told him it's in the gas he's at the funeral, get
it.
Oh nice, that's a good one.
Well, you know one.
I'll tell you what, though, man?
We're talking about.
A lot of companies that tookadvantage of this through
corruption and greed, and youknow, shiny marketing and bare
naked ladies have takenadvantage of the American
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company that's always been therefor the American working man
Chase and Sanborn.
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Speaker 2 (36:17):
You got nothing for that, do you no?
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I just respect it.
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and the levity of how ourhistory is unfolding before us.
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Speaker 2 (36:36):
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Uh, I was able to source someauthentic chasing sanborn coffee
.
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to another time, a time where Iam old I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
When they bring back cab overs in this country and
they get some k200s brought uphere from Australia, we'd be in
a better place so two things Iwant to talk about that are
serious.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
So we talked about owner operators for a little bit
here and I know we're coming upon our time commitment so I
want to be quick.
The first owner operator to goelectric in this country just
bought a Volvo VNR electric outin California.
He's a Salvidar's Trucking youknow again owner-operator.
He works the night shift at theDreyage Trucks.
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He was able to use that eighttrip money from California,
along with the federal incentiverebate and a little kickback
rebate from Volvo there, todiscount the vehicle.
He was able to roll into thatthing effectively for free and
he's going to save a ton ofmoney driving that instead of
the diesel.
So good for him.
We want to obviously celebratea win like that and if you're an
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owner operator, you're a driver, you're a fleet buyer.
Looking at this, look into theseincentives.
I'm not here to sell youelectric over diesel.
Just look into the incentives.
I'm not here to sell youelectric over diesel.
Just look into the incentives,see what your fuel costs are
going to be.
Because if you look at the last20 years of fuel costs diesel
costs in this country they go up, they go down, depending on
who's in office, depending onwhat's going on on the other
(38:09):
side of the world.
They go up and they go down.
But look at the price of akilowatt of electricity since
1976.
It hasn't moved more than apenny.
So if you want to have thatkind of ability to forecast out
your fleet costs and your fuelcosts two, three, five years
down the road, you have to belooking at this.
And if you're using someoneelse's money some of that
(38:31):
government money get some ofthat back.
Dude, that's your tax dollars.
Get them back.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Give it a look California, new york,
massachusetts, illinois I'mgiving away.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Illinois, here, is giving away 92 million dollars
for people to buy heavyequipment heavy trucks, medium
duty trucks that are electrifiedand, like you know, you're
sitting there havingconversations with people and
they're going.
I don't know if I want electricor not.
Dude, buy it, give it a try.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
If you don't like it, one just get one and get your
credit, because they're going tostart asking for those credits
they're going to want to seethat you have an electric
vehicle which they're going tohelp subsidize you for, and and
if you don't?
Speaker 2 (39:11):
know if they're not subsidizing it.
It's your money.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
You paid those tax dollars, Get them back, and
here's the thing.
And if you don't live in one ofthose states, you don't have an
office in one of those statesand you're like man.
I wish we did.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
I'm going to plug them.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
I'm going to plug them right now because they've
got a solution, for a UPS iswhat they call a suite.
Get yourself a suite.
You build yourself an entity inthat state.
You got drivers driving throughit.
If you got places that you docommerce in that state, it's 100
legal well it's not even legal.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
It's encouraged.
They want that revenue.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
That's what I'm saying.
Set yourself up, get yourselfan entity in that state, become
a partner of that state.
Get your free tax dollars thisentire show.
We've talked about how you'regetting screwed out of tax
dollars.
Get some of it back.
Find out what these programsare about.
People will guide you right tothe check, coming back through
(40:08):
your refunds yeah, and you'reright on people uh, people on
this show.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
In fact, you may be listening to one right now.
You don't even know it that'smy point.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
That is not me.
I am not going to work onpeople's w2s, 1044s, 10, 9s, izz
, gws.
God damn, whatever's not doingit.
Don't send me your tax forms.
I'm sorry there's gonna be someguy.
There's some guy who's fillingout manila envelope at the truck
stop right now like man.
They're sending my paperwork.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
I'm like five years behind, no no, I'm not doing it
if you're looking at no, but theirony is we'll get that.
Look at it going.
Look at all this money he'sgiving to the snap-on guy.
This guy should be on foodstamps.
We could really help this guydon't call us no, if you want to
forfeit it all to the snap-onman, we'll help you val will be
(40:58):
there to hand you a new wrench Ithink we've peaked.
We'll sign off with that one.
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