June 10, 2025 • 33 mins
When the ground shifts beneath your feet, how do you find your balance? In this deeply personal episode, Marilisa shares her journey through an unexpected, major life transition: the sudden loss of her business location after 35 years in the same space. What began with a simple text message from her landlord evolved into a profound lesson about embracing change and finding new beginnings.
The conversation takes us through the raw emotional landscape of major transitions - from the initial shock and grief to acceptance and visioning a new future. Marilisa opens up about dismantling decades of memories, the tears shed in private moments, and the celebration held to honor the space that had been home to countless healing sessions and personal milestones.
Beyond just telling her story, this episode offers practical wisdom for anyone facing significant change. We explore how growth requires moving from comfortable-familiar territory into uncomfortable-unfamiliar spaces, the power of visualization in creating new beginnings, and specific coping strategies that helped Marilisa navigate her transition. Jeremy poses a fascinating question: "Could this disruption be exactly what needed to happen as part of a grand design?"
Whether you're facing a career shift, relationship change, identity transformation, or any major life pivot, this conversation provides both comfort and actionable insights. The most powerful takeaway? Change is where growth happens - and sometimes the universe has to push us when we're not ready to jump on our own. Listen now and discover how to transform life's unexpected transitions into opportunities for renewal and expansion.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Hemp Del Sol podcast.
All health, no high.
Here's your host, Mary LisaLawless.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Change is the only constant, and yet it always
seems to catch us off guard.
So today we're talking a littlebit about life transitions, how
we cope, how we grow and whatit really takes to move forward
when the ground shifts beneathus.
Welcome everyone to the HempDel Sol podcast.
(00:36):
I am your co-host of the most,jeremy Wolf, sitting here with
the hostess, with the mostest,marilisa Lawless Marilisa.
It has been an interesting yearthus far, has it not?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yes, absolutely Quite fascinating.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yes, it has Lots of life happening?
Yes, you wanted to talk aboutchange today because you've been
going through some interestingtransitions in your own life.
Why don't you start off bytalking about what's been going
on in your life and then we'llkind of roll into how this is
(01:16):
applicable across the board inall our lives?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Right.
So part the word that pops intomy head at this moment is pivot
.
One of the things that many ofus have to do throughout the
course of our lifetime is learnhow to pivot, and that pivot
requires change.
It indicates that things arechanging, that we're making a
change of direction.
So when the new year started, Ieven remember the podcast I did
(01:47):
with my friend Andy and we weretalking about all these
services we're offering and allthis new and wonderful stuff
that was happening.
And January we had, like we wereon our road to really physical
center that I had been dreamingof, and then pivot.
I have been dreaming up andthen pivot.
(02:11):
So we spent money on theexterior of the place that we
rent and I mean, and it reallyit looked beautiful.
I started to interview peopleto create more, to have more
employees and to expand.
And as we were doing that, Igot a text message from my
landlord who said I need to meetwith you and I was like, Hmm,
(02:31):
so when he came in, it was thefirst week in February and he
said I want to let you know,before it goes public, that I
have sold I'm selling thebuilding to the town of Davie
and I was like, and he's like,yeah, and back up a second how
(02:54):
long had you been in that office, that location for?
Almost 35 years.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Only 35 years.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
It's the only location we've ever known and we
were committed to staying inthat space so that clients,
customers, clients, could alwaysfind us.
They knew where we were.
We were a main staple indowntown Davie.
We've been there for that long.
Everybody knew where we were,knew who we were, knew where we
(03:27):
were, knew who we were.
We were part of the culturalcorridor compact for mental
health services.
We were the first CBD storethat was a legitimate CBD store
and crystal sales and we had allthese things going on and
getting awards and gettingrecognized and being super
active and everything andexpanding.
(03:51):
And all of a sudden my landlordcomes in a few days into
February and says I've sold thebuilding to the town of Davie
and I'm giving you 90 daysnotice, okay.
And so he gave us a letter, andyou know he gave me a letter,
(04:11):
an official notice, like thesecond week in February after it
was made public, because he hadgiven me the notice the day
before it was going to becomepublic, didn't give me the
notice that this had beennegotiation, been going on for a
year, which would have beennice.
But I understand, you knowpolitics, business and all that
and all the stuff that goes onbehind closed doors.
So it was like, ooh, okay,that's a hard pivot.
(04:40):
I've never even had to look foranother space Because even when
we expanded, we expanded withinthat space.
We went in 1991 from, you know,we had one bay To 1994, we had
two bays.
To 2012, we had three bays andin 2015, 14, the building was
(05:08):
sold to this new landlord.
However, they knew we wantedanother bay on either side of us
to continue our expansion.
And, as a side note, peoplehave said to me me well, you've
been there so long, why didn'tyou buy a building?
And my accountant had said tome why didn't you buy a building
(05:31):
?
Not to you said just let thelandlord deal with the issues
they're running and all that.
So, moving forward, here we arein 2025.
And we had to begin the processof looking for a space to rent
(05:52):
or buy, thought we would buy aplace, and then, when we started
to find places that we thoughtwe would buy prices are a bit
out of our league at this momentand then we started looking at
rentals, and rentals that werein a lot worse, lot worse shape
(06:14):
than the place that we're in,were already twice as expensive
as what we were paying and anyplace that was a decent place
that we wanted to move into wasfour times what we were paying,
because our space was over 1,500square feet.
(06:34):
We had multiple rooms, multiplespaces, we had activities going
on all the time.
We utilized the entire space.
So it's been a lot of learninglessons and it got to the point
where by April, we realized wewere not going to be able to go
anywhere else.
(06:55):
By March we were sort ofthinking, okay, we might have to
move home, I might have to moveinto my garage which is where I
am in my garage and that wemight have to do that.
And that's where we sit at thismoment, because we needed,
(07:17):
after we had to actually grieve.
We had a party there to do acelebration of life for our
space.
We had people coming and goingthe whole day.
There was so many thingshappening that we had an event,
we had music, we had food, wehad raffles, we had pictures, we
had all kinds of stuff going on, so it was a fun day.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
And let me just say please accept my apologies.
I am sorry I missed the event.
I was immobile for several daysafter having thrown my back out
, so please don't hold itagainst me.
I really wanted to be there tocelebrate the send off.
Shift the perspective for asecond here.
This is all about dealing withchange and, ultimately, growth
that comes off the heels ofchange.
Could it just be the case thatthis that happened to you was
(08:17):
exactly what needed to happen toyou, that this is part of the
grand design?
Right?
This is the stepping stone.
Right?
You're going to.
You're going to fast forwardfive, 10 years from now and
you're going to.
It's going to be one of thosethings where you look back at
this and you're like thank you,landlord, for selling the
business.
I was comfortable there,whatever I couldn't.
The space was wonderful, but Icouldn't get to where I was
(08:37):
supposed to be at.
Is it just possible that that'sthe case?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Not only possible.
I believe that that's actuallythe reality of what's happening.
I knew in the back of my headeventually this day would come,
because eventually my landlordwould die and his estate would
sell the building.
I knew that eventually this wasgoing to happen.
And are you ever actually ready?
It's like being ready for adeath or being ready for a
sickness, or being ready for amassive change like this.
(09:06):
I wasn't.
I wasn't even thinking about it.
I had already shifted intoexpansion mode.
And so when we found that outand my sister and I had to start
thinking about, oh shit, wheredo we go?
What are we doing?
You know, and we our mutualfriend Leilani is a realtor, so
(09:26):
she helped with starting to findplaces and she did a lot of
research and rentals and salesand so and she's still, she's
still in the back in thebackground, looking and keeping,
and and then we realized, okay,being in my garage is actually
a good idea for now, and that weneeded to regroup, we need to
(09:49):
recenter, we need to actuallycreate this vision of where we
want to go.
So I've started like trying tomanifest a building, and it's
going to be a collaborativeeffort.
It won't just be me trying torun everything.
I am inviting collaboration.
(10:09):
So when I started seeing things,I haven't gone out to look it's
not time to go look yet but Istarted seeing a green metal
roof and a freestanding buildingwith trees all around it, and I
saw pedestal, you know, likethe concrete brick pedestals
that a building sits on to raiseit up a little bit higher.
I saw that, figured thatcouldn't be part of what I'm
(10:31):
seeing.
Just this week I woke up oh, itwas yesterday morning.
I woke up with this, havingthis really vivid dream of this
grand opening of the crystalstore, of all the different
rooms where the differenttherapies are taking place,
where my sister and I are stillable to be therapists in the
back, and and just having thisgrand opening.
(10:54):
And what I then saw was a walk,steps up into this building and
the handicap walkway that goes,like that, into the building.
And so I saw the front of thebuilding now in my dream and I'm
like, oh, in order for it tohave steps, maybe that pedestal,
(11:16):
those concrete brick pedestalsthat they're on, are actually
part of the new building thatI'm trying to envision.
You get really detailed withthis visualization.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, and other people that are in like the
energy world have said youreally need to be able to see
what you want.
And my mom, who's on the otherside, who passed away in 2011,
has come through a friend ofmine who's a medium and said
stop telling people to look forplaces for you when it is time.
(11:43):
It will present itself to you.
All right, all right, so I'llstop to look for places for you
when it is time, it will presentitself to you.
I'm like, all right, all right,so I'll stop.
So now I'm actually starting todream it a little bit more
vividly.
It was, it was reallyinteresting, because I woke up
saying what was?
What was that?
So that just happened this week.
So we've only been in this space.
We've been transitioning thewhole month of May.
(12:03):
So May has been mucho changes.
You know really about all ofthis, and I'm grateful that I
had this space in my home to beable to store stuff, so we don't
have to have storage units.
Grateful that I have people todonate stuff to and donated a
bunch of stuff, you know.
(12:24):
Grateful for being able to sitback and take a look at what it
is that's happening around me.
It's it has been a very, verytransitional month, um, and not
necessarily in a bad way, justchange, and change can be quite
(12:47):
uncomfortable and push a littlebit.
And yet I know that what youjust said about could this be
like just pushed me into makinga change.
Making a change, and you knowme saying I don't want to go yet
(13:08):
.
I don't want to go yet, butpushing and saying, no, boom,
you're why.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Why is it so difficult?
This is this is the question,and I think this is this is part
of it's just part of how, howthe universe is it like?
We all we know that when lifethrows us challenges, the best
thing we can do is lean into itand keep a positive attitude and
just believe that this ishappening for a reason and that
(13:33):
there's no silver lining.
But we all tend to get frazzledand deer in the headlights and
we get worried and we getconcerned.
What do you think most peopleget wrong about starting over,
whether whether it's a new job,a relationship or even even your
identity, right?
Speaker 3 (13:54):
so two things two things I see with it.
Most people get really angryabout it and the anger then gets
in the way of being able totransition into that space and
fear and letting fear run theshow.
And you know, you have theopportunity, with fear as an
(14:15):
acronym, to forget everythingand run, which is what many
people do.
Let me be an ostrich in thesand and hide and pretend this
isn't happening, or faceeverything and recover.
Face everything, and I get to.
If I face it, I can moveforward.
So, as soon as I knew I hadevents planned for right then um
(14:35):
, orange blossom and there was afew other things going on.
But then I knew that the secondweek, you know the week after
all these events finished, thatwe were going to hit the ground
running and move forward,because it wasn't an option to
stay put.
And I even tried to rent thebuilding back from the town, but
they're tearing the buildingdown.
And then they were saying thatthey would have to rent it to me
(14:59):
at current rates, which is it'sstill a rundown, broke down
building that we made into ahome space that we worked in,
you know, but it was still arundown, broke down building,
you know, it was just familiar.
So, with all change, the onlyreason or the only way that
people change is to be willingto move out of that comfort zone
(15:21):
of familiar into I tell people,it's this four levels.
You know you move from familiarand comfortable when things get
uncomfortable.
If they're uncomfortable enough, you'll move into that place of
unfamiliar.
As you get into this placewhere it starts to become more
(15:43):
familiar so that it getscomfortable, in order to keep
growing you have to be willingto pay attention to the things
that start to make you feeluncomfortable again, because,
again, the more uncomfortablesomething gets, the more willing
I am to move into theunfamiliar.
And, as I'm in the unfamiliar,it's just this constant state of
(16:03):
growth of moving fromuncomfortable, unfamiliar to
comfortable, familiar, thenuncomfortable, unfamiliar, and
and it just goes on and on andon, and that's part of how we
pivot, that's part of how wegrow and change and create
different circles and createdifferent ways of seeing the
(16:24):
world.
So part of what we've seen isthat I want a building.
I want you know that we're mysister and I are are trying to
create a space where we can doall of our pre-pharmaceutical
treatments is how I describe it.
So still being able to be thetherapist, that we are getting
our message out to a broaderaudience, because that's part of
(16:46):
what the podcast is aboutLetting them know that we do all
of these things that arealternative healing practices,
and that there's things inbetween treatment and
pharmaceuticals, that there's awhole lot that goes on in the
middle and try new things.
You know it was like the podcastwith Brian doing the microdose
(17:10):
to mine.
Yes, microdosing is somethingthat's used for post-traumatic
stress.
The ayahuasca, that's somethingthat again used for
post-traumatic stress andhealing traumas.
That's one modality.
That's something else we do.
We have, you know, mauriceIsrael's a medium and he's
moving into medical mediumship,which is going to help with some
(17:32):
of the people in their bodytrauma and trying to heal that.
He did that years ago but he'sbeing called to go back into
that.
He still does mediumship,medical mediumship.
Yeah, medical mediumship, whereit is about healing modalities,
healing the body energeticallyand calling in all of these
healing resources from theuniverse.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I'm summoning healing entity.
It is, oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
He did a session with me.
It was so interesting, sothat's the whole other thing.
I'll bring him on one of thesedays.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, I gotta get him on the on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Yeah, so doing so, I mean all these other things that
are out there.
So I want a center where I canhave this collaborative
engagement with a lot of peoplein the community and that people
are welcoming this.
So that's where I'm at.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
But it was a huge pivot.
Sites are aligned to somedegree in terms of this idea of
having this center right, thisplace where it offers all of
these modalities.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
You hear that I don't .
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I'm hearing voices in my head now.
So for me you know me I'm moreinto the whole plant medicine
the ayahuasca, the mushrooms,the you know I like the breath
work, the meditation stuff,which you're into as well,
absolutely.
But all of the things thatwe're doing, they're all, they
all embody the same space, whichis kind of like the antithesis
(19:14):
to traditional Western medicine.
Right Putting a bandaid.
You know you have a problem,just take this pill, it'll fix
it.
It'll fix it.
Really, what that's doing isjust numbing you to the actual
problems.
As you're explaining the centerthat you're having and you're
visualizing it.
I've been also thinking abouttrying to open a retreat center
or something, and I don't reallyhave a discrete vision.
(19:37):
I have a vision of what I wantto do, but it's not materialized
yet.
I'm getting closer and it's,it's, it's.
I'm getting closer and closerand as we talk about this, I see
like emerging together of thisinto like one centralized hub
for all of this together andlike pulling all of our
resources, like Brian up inOrlando with what he's doing and
then you with what you're doingand me down here and just
(19:59):
pulling other people in and justcreating like a conglomerate
and a real place that you can goto access all these things in
in one location, because I don'tthink they really have that.
They have specific areas thatdeal with uh, you can go on an
ayahuasca retreat and do this orthat.
I I've not really seen like onemajor center that handles all
of this stuff this stuff no, andpart of it is is like what?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
um, casadega or sedona, these are all considered
vortexes that do all of thesehealing modalities, but again,
it's just like you go there oryou, or you go there or you go
there, and I would truly like tocreate a center that's one stop
.
You can come in here and youcan look at our schedule, and
our schedule is we have anayahuasca service is going to
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happen, and then this day, wehave, you know, a medical medium
that does this.
We have a tarot card readersand Oracle readers that do
different types of healingthings and Oracle readers that
do different types of healingthings.
We have somebody who talks withthe crystals and and that's a
(21:11):
whole other thing.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
that was just super weird.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Yes, yes, andy is a crystal whisperer.
It is bizarre.
It's super bizarre, but it'ssuper cool.
I?
I mean, she helped me identifya crystal that I had no idea
what it was.
The person who gave it to medidn't know where it came from.
He got it at a garage sale and,um, she gave me some
(21:35):
identifying things that thecrystal told her and I was able
to, from those clues, to findthe crystal.
It just so weird and that's whyI've been sold ever since, ever
since that happened, because Iwas like this was like a crystal
from China, from thisparticular region, and it's this
and it did this and it's that.
(21:56):
And I actually found thecrystal based on those things
she told me.
I was like, okay, and oh you,you and margie were in the store
with me one time when weweren't standing anywhere near a
crystal and it threw itself offthe shelf and we all looked
around like what was that?
You remember that?
(22:17):
Yep, and so I had her andsomebody else who also is my
bookkeeper.
She says, oh, that crystal didnot like being there.
It wants to be over here.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I'm like, okay, they have a mind of their own man.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Apparently, it was very, very interesting and I
don't disbelieve.
I don't know that I understandit or can do it myself, but I
don't disbelieve that they'resaying these things and that
they're having theseconversations Only because I've
seen it happen in front of myown eyes.
Yet it's like it does no harm.
(22:58):
You know, it might sound alittle crazy, might be a little
crazy, but it does no harm andhopefully it helps.
And at the end of the day, nomatter where we change or
however the pivot takes us, wejust want to maintain that
Hippocratic oath of do no harm,which is what most doctors well,
(23:23):
all doctors are supposed totake that oath.
But, us as trauma therapists Imean, that's what we specialized
in do no harm and looking atthe efficacy of all of the
different healing modalities.
Our minds are so powerful.
We use so little of our mind.
(23:44):
It really is about how do youwant to heal, what does healing
look like for you?
What do you need to heal from?
You know there's so manydifferent aspects to change and
so many levels.
Yeah, my, my, my quote.
(24:06):
The thing that I say to peopleis they're like oh, change,
change, change.
You know they make thesecomments and I'm like change is
the only thing that you don'thave.
You know, you know.
And if, what I say, if changewas easy, everybody would do it,
because, realistically, if youwant to change something, you
just do it.
And yet, even in therapy, Iknow that people are not,
(24:31):
they're not as interested injumping into it to try and make
the change, Because we, ashumans, are pain avoidant to it
to try and make the change,because we, as humans are pain
avoidant.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah, it sounds all good and well, like you just do
it, you make the change.
But what happens is the thingthat's crazy.
Difficult about changing isthat we're all programs right,
we're running on patterns, andmany of these programs we're
running on are so deeplyingrained in our mind that it's
not a matter of just all of asudden saying I'm going to do
something.
You have to, like build a newoperating system.
(25:07):
You have to rewire your brainand reprogram your mind to do
the things necessary to actuallychange.
And that comes with a lot ofdiscomfort, a lot of work, often
a lot of suffering hopefullyvoluntary suffering.
It's not easy.
So what is that crazy noise?
Geez.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I don't hear it on my end.
Hold on.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I'm hearing all sorts of echoes.
It just went away.
So how do when you get hit withit right, because this is the
really a really hard part aboutdealing with uncomfortable
situations, especially bad newsor whatever, like whatever
situation, whatever lifepresents itself with that can be
riveting to you.
When you get hit with that, howdo you deal with that, like
(25:57):
getting news, for instance,learning about your place being
shut down or the land.
When you got that news, what,what did you do?
How did you react to that?
What, what tools did you use inthat moment to get past that
wave of emotions?
Because clearly, you hear thenews and it's like a visceral
reaction and comes up with thisuncomfortable feeling of like,
(26:18):
oh my God, what am I going to do?
The sooner you could diffusethat, the sooner you could start
working towards a resolutionand not let it consume you.
So what are some tricks andtools that you use in situations
like that that you could sharewith others?
Speaker 3 (26:31):
For me.
How I handle things is.
I mean, it's sort of a form ofdissociation.
I just sort of step back and Idon't react.
Initially I will offercongratulations to the person
who is presenting this news,because this is something good
for them.
I take a minute, I don't sayanything and the next day is
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usually when it'll happen, whereI'm like oh, this is a lot.
And through this whole processI was angry, but very briefly.
I get angry more about knowingthat it's been a process for a
while and that I had no clue,that it completely caught me off
guard that it was coming rightthen and there.
(27:12):
But other than that, the angerpassed really quickly because I
get more into the logic about it.
You know what makes sense.
When I had a moment, I cried, Ispoke with friends Reaching out
to friends is really importantand I have my ride or die.
(27:35):
I have my ride or die.
You know, I have these twowomen in my life that I've been.
You know we've been on the sameplane in the therapy world and
every you know raising kids andtherapy, and all that for over
(27:55):
30 years.
And if they see me being alittle too logical, they will
stop me, make me take a few deepbreaths, which is what I do
with clients.
Come on, come back into yourbody, take a few deep breaths.
How do you really feel?
So over the course of thosethree months that this was
happening, I cried.
I sat in my car.
(28:15):
So the hardest part for me wastaking photographs of my family
off the wall in the back office.
I took.
I had pictures of my son.
He's 37.
He was four years old.
In some of the you know, in apicture that I had of him and my
(28:37):
brother, in a picture that Ihad of him and my brother, my
kids, my grandkids, thephotocopy of hands on the copier
machine, little messages.
My daughter wrote a message andtaped it behind something that
I didn't see and it said don'tforget the love Bittersweet.
(28:59):
I got into my car that evening.
I had my salesperson.
She was like are you OK?
She said, do you want a hug?
And so I let her.
You know, I hugged her and Iget into my car and I sobbed, I
sobbed, I sobbed.
It was just.
I have had that space for anentire lifetime.
(29:26):
So I went through all of whatyou would call the phases of
grief.
I was angry, I was this isn'treally happening.
Can I bargain, can I negotiateto stay longer?
Sadness, just the sadness.
That was overwhelming sometimes.
You know the acceptance, justyou know, move into this place.
(29:48):
You know this is the business.
This is not a thing.
It wasn't a personal thing, itwas this is a business, even
though my business is verypersonal.
I moved into that space.
So, yeah, there was, there wasa lot of emotions and it really
is about just take three deepbreaths and ground.
I did a lot of walking in mybackyard in the grass, barefoot.
(30:17):
I spent a lot of time outsidejust hanging out with my trees,
looking at the water, listeningto the birds.
That was another piece.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
And the crystals.
Don't forget the crystals.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
I sat in the crystal room in the office.
I would just sit in the cornerwhere the main part of the store
.
When nobody was there, I wouldjust sit in the corner and just
breathe.
Nobody was there, I would justsit in the corner and just
breathe.
So I've done all of thesedifferent things to be able to
move through the emotional spaceand then you just come back to
business.
All right, let's get this done.
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And we had our party.
We did and we called it acelebration of life.
And we had old clients thathave been have been through
these doors for over 30 years,that have come in and out
because they've always knownwhere we were, and a lot of
people.
There were some people thatcame that didn't think they were
going to come, but they werereally glad that they came and
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it was an opportunity to saygoodbye.
We had even a book.
You know like a book that youwould have at like a funeral to
write a message and know like abook that you would have at like
a funeral to write a message.
And we had people writingmessages.
You'll have to write a messageeven if you weren't there.
We have the book and our sweetgoodbye.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Bitter sweet goodbye.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
On to new beginnings, Marilisa.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yes, yes, you know, I think that's a perfect place to
leave it.
So unless yeah, let's justleave it at that.
Everyone thanks so much forlistening to this conversation
on navigating life transitions.
If this resonated with you, oryou with you, or you know
somebody that's going through itright now, share this with
someone and always rememberchange is hard, but it is also
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where growth happens, and and.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
And it is where growth happens.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
And Did I say but yeah, I'm working on
reprogramming, eliminating thebuts, installing the ands.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
And.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
And All right, Very cool Marilisa.
Always a pleasure, milady.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Jeremy, the same.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
All right.
Everyone Take care out there,stay positive, stay happy, stay
healthy.
Remember we only have this onelife to live, so let's live it
to the fullest.
Everyone take care Bye.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Change is the only constant, and yet it always
seems to catch us off guard.
So today we're talking a littlebit about life transitions, how
we cope, how we grow and whatit really takes to move forward
when the ground shifts beneathus.
Welcome everyone to the HempDel Sol podcast.
(00:36):
I am your co-host of the most,jeremy Wolf, sitting here with
the hostess, with the mostest,marilisa Lawless Marilisa.
It has been an interesting yearthus far, has it not?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yes, absolutely Quite fascinating.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yes, it has Lots of life happening?
Yes, you wanted to talk aboutchange today because you've been
going through some interestingtransitions in your own life.
Why don't you start off bytalking about what's been going
on in your life and then we'llkind of roll into how this is
(01:16):
applicable across the board inall our lives?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Right.
So part the word that pops intomy head at this moment is pivot
.
One of the things that many ofus have to do throughout the
course of our lifetime is learnhow to pivot, and that pivot
requires change.
It indicates that things arechanging, that we're making a
change of direction.
So when the new year started, Ieven remember the podcast I did
(01:47):
with my friend Andy and we weretalking about all these
services we're offering and allthis new and wonderful stuff
that was happening.
And January we had, like we wereon our road to really physical
center that I had been dreamingof, and then pivot.
I have been dreaming up andthen pivot.
(02:11):
So we spent money on theexterior of the place that we
rent and I mean, and it reallyit looked beautiful.
I started to interview peopleto create more, to have more
employees and to expand.
And as we were doing that, Igot a text message from my
landlord who said I need to meetwith you and I was like, Hmm,
(02:31):
so when he came in, it was thefirst week in February and he
said I want to let you know,before it goes public, that I
have sold I'm selling thebuilding to the town of Davie
and I was like, and he's like,yeah, and back up a second how
(02:54):
long had you been in that office, that location for?
Almost 35 years.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Only 35 years.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
It's the only location we've ever known and we
were committed to staying inthat space so that clients,
customers, clients, could alwaysfind us.
They knew where we were.
We were a main staple indowntown Davie.
We've been there for that long.
Everybody knew where we were,knew who we were, knew where we
(03:27):
were, knew who we were.
We were part of the culturalcorridor compact for mental
health services.
We were the first CBD storethat was a legitimate CBD store
and crystal sales and we had allthese things going on and
getting awards and gettingrecognized and being super
active and everything andexpanding.
(03:51):
And all of a sudden my landlordcomes in a few days into
February and says I've sold thebuilding to the town of Davie
and I'm giving you 90 daysnotice, okay.
And so he gave us a letter, andyou know he gave me a letter,
(04:11):
an official notice, like thesecond week in February after it
was made public, because he hadgiven me the notice the day
before it was going to becomepublic, didn't give me the
notice that this had beennegotiation, been going on for a
year, which would have beennice.
But I understand, you knowpolitics, business and all that
and all the stuff that goes onbehind closed doors.
So it was like, ooh, okay,that's a hard pivot.
(04:40):
I've never even had to look foranother space Because even when
we expanded, we expanded withinthat space.
We went in 1991 from, you know,we had one bay To 1994, we had
two bays.
To 2012, we had three bays andin 2015, 14, the building was
(05:08):
sold to this new landlord.
However, they knew we wantedanother bay on either side of us
to continue our expansion.
And, as a side note, peoplehave said to me me well, you've
been there so long, why didn'tyou buy a building?
And my accountant had said tome why didn't you buy a building
(05:31):
?
Not to you said just let thelandlord deal with the issues
they're running and all that.
So, moving forward, here we arein 2025.
And we had to begin the processof looking for a space to rent
(05:52):
or buy, thought we would buy aplace, and then, when we started
to find places that we thoughtwe would buy prices are a bit
out of our league at this momentand then we started looking at
rentals, and rentals that werein a lot worse, lot worse shape
(06:14):
than the place that we're in,were already twice as expensive
as what we were paying and anyplace that was a decent place
that we wanted to move into wasfour times what we were paying,
because our space was over 1,500square feet.
(06:34):
We had multiple rooms, multiplespaces, we had activities going
on all the time.
We utilized the entire space.
So it's been a lot of learninglessons and it got to the point
where by April, we realized wewere not going to be able to go
anywhere else.
(06:55):
By March we were sort ofthinking, okay, we might have to
move home, I might have to moveinto my garage which is where I
am in my garage and that wemight have to do that.
And that's where we sit at thismoment, because we needed,
(07:17):
after we had to actually grieve.
We had a party there to do acelebration of life for our
space.
We had people coming and goingthe whole day.
There was so many thingshappening that we had an event,
we had music, we had food, wehad raffles, we had pictures, we
had all kinds of stuff going on, so it was a fun day.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
And let me just say please accept my apologies.
I am sorry I missed the event.
I was immobile for several daysafter having thrown my back out
, so please don't hold itagainst me.
I really wanted to be there tocelebrate the send off.
Shift the perspective for asecond here.
This is all about dealing withchange and, ultimately, growth
that comes off the heels ofchange.
Could it just be the case thatthis that happened to you was
(08:17):
exactly what needed to happen toyou, that this is part of the
grand design?
Right?
This is the stepping stone.
Right?
You're going to.
You're going to fast forwardfive, 10 years from now and
you're going to.
It's going to be one of thosethings where you look back at
this and you're like thank you,landlord, for selling the
business.
I was comfortable there,whatever I couldn't.
The space was wonderful, but Icouldn't get to where I was
(08:37):
supposed to be at.
Is it just possible that that'sthe case?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Not only possible.
I believe that that's actuallythe reality of what's happening.
I knew in the back of my headeventually this day would come,
because eventually my landlordwould die and his estate would
sell the building.
I knew that eventually this wasgoing to happen.
And are you ever actually ready?
It's like being ready for adeath or being ready for a
sickness, or being ready for amassive change like this.
(09:06):
I wasn't.
I wasn't even thinking about it.
I had already shifted intoexpansion mode.
And so when we found that outand my sister and I had to start
thinking about, oh shit, wheredo we go?
What are we doing?
You know, and we our mutualfriend Leilani is a realtor, so
(09:26):
she helped with starting to findplaces and she did a lot of
research and rentals and salesand so and she's still, she's
still in the back in thebackground, looking and keeping,
and and then we realized, okay,being in my garage is actually
a good idea for now, and that weneeded to regroup, we need to
(09:49):
recenter, we need to actuallycreate this vision of where we
want to go.
So I've started like trying tomanifest a building, and it's
going to be a collaborativeeffort.
It won't just be me trying torun everything.
I am inviting collaboration.
(10:09):
So when I started seeing things,I haven't gone out to look it's
not time to go look yet but Istarted seeing a green metal
roof and a freestanding buildingwith trees all around it, and I
saw pedestal, you know, likethe concrete brick pedestals
that a building sits on to raiseit up a little bit higher.
I saw that, figured thatcouldn't be part of what I'm
(10:31):
seeing.
Just this week I woke up oh, itwas yesterday morning.
I woke up with this, havingthis really vivid dream of this
grand opening of the crystalstore, of all the different
rooms where the differenttherapies are taking place,
where my sister and I are stillable to be therapists in the
back, and and just having thisgrand opening.
(10:54):
And what I then saw was a walk,steps up into this building and
the handicap walkway that goes,like that, into the building.
And so I saw the front of thebuilding now in my dream and I'm
like, oh, in order for it tohave steps, maybe that pedestal,
(11:16):
those concrete brick pedestalsthat they're on, are actually
part of the new building thatI'm trying to envision.
You get really detailed withthis visualization.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, and other people that are in like the
energy world have said youreally need to be able to see
what you want.
And my mom, who's on the otherside, who passed away in 2011,
has come through a friend ofmine who's a medium and said
stop telling people to look forplaces for you when it is time.
(11:43):
It will present itself to you.
All right, all right, so I'llstop to look for places for you
when it is time, it will presentitself to you.
I'm like, all right, all right,so I'll stop.
So now I'm actually starting todream it a little bit more
vividly.
It was, it was reallyinteresting, because I woke up
saying what was?
What was that?
So that just happened this week.
So we've only been in this space.
We've been transitioning thewhole month of May.
(12:03):
So May has been mucho changes.
You know really about all ofthis, and I'm grateful that I
had this space in my home to beable to store stuff, so we don't
have to have storage units.
Grateful that I have people todonate stuff to and donated a
bunch of stuff, you know.
(12:24):
Grateful for being able to sitback and take a look at what it
is that's happening around me.
It's it has been a very, verytransitional month, um, and not
necessarily in a bad way, justchange, and change can be quite
(12:47):
uncomfortable and push a littlebit.
And yet I know that what youjust said about could this be
like just pushed me into makinga change.
Making a change, and you knowme saying I don't want to go yet
(13:08):
.
I don't want to go yet, butpushing and saying, no, boom,
you're why.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Why is it so difficult?
This is this is the question,and I think this is this is part
of it's just part of how, howthe universe is it like?
We all we know that when lifethrows us challenges, the best
thing we can do is lean into itand keep a positive attitude and
just believe that this ishappening for a reason and that
(13:33):
there's no silver lining.
But we all tend to get frazzledand deer in the headlights and
we get worried and we getconcerned.
What do you think most peopleget wrong about starting over,
whether whether it's a new job,a relationship or even even your
identity, right?
Speaker 3 (13:54):
so two things two things I see with it.
Most people get really angryabout it and the anger then gets
in the way of being able totransition into that space and
fear and letting fear run theshow.
And you know, you have theopportunity, with fear as an
(14:15):
acronym, to forget everythingand run, which is what many
people do.
Let me be an ostrich in thesand and hide and pretend this
isn't happening, or faceeverything and recover.
Face everything, and I get to.
If I face it, I can moveforward.
So, as soon as I knew I hadevents planned for right then um
(14:35):
, orange blossom and there was afew other things going on.
But then I knew that the secondweek, you know the week after
all these events finished, thatwe were going to hit the ground
running and move forward,because it wasn't an option to
stay put.
And I even tried to rent thebuilding back from the town, but
they're tearing the buildingdown.
And then they were saying thatthey would have to rent it to me
(14:59):
at current rates, which is it'sstill a rundown, broke down
building that we made into ahome space that we worked in,
you know, but it was still arundown, broke down building,
you know, it was just familiar.
So, with all change, the onlyreason or the only way that
people change is to be willingto move out of that comfort zone
(15:21):
of familiar into I tell people,it's this four levels.
You know you move from familiarand comfortable when things get
uncomfortable.
If they're uncomfortable enough, you'll move into that place of
unfamiliar.
As you get into this placewhere it starts to become more
(15:43):
familiar so that it getscomfortable, in order to keep
growing you have to be willingto pay attention to the things
that start to make you feeluncomfortable again, because,
again, the more uncomfortablesomething gets, the more willing
I am to move into theunfamiliar.
And, as I'm in the unfamiliar,it's just this constant state of
(16:03):
growth of moving fromuncomfortable, unfamiliar to
comfortable, familiar, thenuncomfortable, unfamiliar, and
and it just goes on and on andon, and that's part of how we
pivot, that's part of how wegrow and change and create
different circles and createdifferent ways of seeing the
(16:24):
world.
So part of what we've seen isthat I want a building.
I want you know that we're mysister and I are are trying to
create a space where we can doall of our pre-pharmaceutical
treatments is how I describe it.
So still being able to be thetherapist, that we are getting
our message out to a broaderaudience, because that's part of
(16:46):
what the podcast is aboutLetting them know that we do all
of these things that arealternative healing practices,
and that there's things inbetween treatment and
pharmaceuticals, that there's awhole lot that goes on in the
middle and try new things.
You know it was like the podcastwith Brian doing the microdose
(17:10):
to mine.
Yes, microdosing is somethingthat's used for post-traumatic
stress.
The ayahuasca, that's somethingthat again used for
post-traumatic stress andhealing traumas.
That's one modality.
That's something else we do.
We have, you know, mauriceIsrael's a medium and he's
moving into medical mediumship,which is going to help with some
(17:32):
of the people in their bodytrauma and trying to heal that.
He did that years ago but he'sbeing called to go back into
that.
He still does mediumship,medical mediumship.
Yeah, medical mediumship, whereit is about healing modalities,
healing the body energeticallyand calling in all of these
healing resources from theuniverse.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I'm summoning healing entity.
It is, oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
He did a session with me.
It was so interesting, sothat's the whole other thing.
I'll bring him on one of thesedays.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, I gotta get him on the on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Yeah, so doing so, I mean all these other things that
are out there.
So I want a center where I canhave this collaborative
engagement with a lot of peoplein the community and that people
are welcoming this.
So that's where I'm at.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
But it was a huge pivot.
Sites are aligned to somedegree in terms of this idea of
having this center right, thisplace where it offers all of
these modalities.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
You hear that I don't .
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I'm hearing voices in my head now.
So for me you know me I'm moreinto the whole plant medicine
the ayahuasca, the mushrooms,the you know I like the breath
work, the meditation stuff,which you're into as well,
absolutely.
But all of the things thatwe're doing, they're all, they
all embody the same space, whichis kind of like the antithesis
(19:14):
to traditional Western medicine.
Right Putting a bandaid.
You know you have a problem,just take this pill, it'll fix
it.
It'll fix it.
Really, what that's doing isjust numbing you to the actual
problems.
As you're explaining the centerthat you're having and you're
visualizing it.
I've been also thinking abouttrying to open a retreat center
or something, and I don't reallyhave a discrete vision.
(19:37):
I have a vision of what I wantto do, but it's not materialized
yet.
I'm getting closer and it's,it's, it's.
I'm getting closer and closerand as we talk about this, I see
like emerging together of thisinto like one centralized hub
for all of this together andlike pulling all of our
resources, like Brian up inOrlando with what he's doing and
then you with what you're doingand me down here and just
(19:59):
pulling other people in and justcreating like a conglomerate
and a real place that you can goto access all these things in
in one location, because I don'tthink they really have that.
They have specific areas thatdeal with uh, you can go on an
ayahuasca retreat and do this orthat.
I I've not really seen like onemajor center that handles all
of this stuff this stuff no, andpart of it is is like what?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
um, casadega or sedona, these are all considered
vortexes that do all of thesehealing modalities, but again,
it's just like you go there oryou, or you go there or you go
there, and I would truly like tocreate a center that's one stop
.
You can come in here and youcan look at our schedule, and
our schedule is we have anayahuasca service is going to
(20:50):
happen, and then this day, wehave, you know, a medical medium
that does this.
We have a tarot card readersand Oracle readers that do
different types of healingthings and Oracle readers that
do different types of healingthings.
We have somebody who talks withthe crystals and and that's a
(21:11):
whole other thing.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
that was just super weird.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Yes, yes, andy is a crystal whisperer.
It is bizarre.
It's super bizarre, but it'ssuper cool.
I?
I mean, she helped me identifya crystal that I had no idea
what it was.
The person who gave it to medidn't know where it came from.
He got it at a garage sale and,um, she gave me some
(21:35):
identifying things that thecrystal told her and I was able
to, from those clues, to findthe crystal.
It just so weird and that's whyI've been sold ever since, ever
since that happened, because Iwas like this was like a crystal
from China, from thisparticular region, and it's this
and it did this and it's that.
(21:56):
And I actually found thecrystal based on those things
she told me.
I was like, okay, and oh you,you and margie were in the store
with me one time when weweren't standing anywhere near a
crystal and it threw itself offthe shelf and we all looked
around like what was that?
You remember that?
(22:17):
Yep, and so I had her andsomebody else who also is my
bookkeeper.
She says, oh, that crystal didnot like being there.
It wants to be over here.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I'm like, okay, they have a mind of their own man.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Apparently, it was very, very interesting and I
don't disbelieve.
I don't know that I understandit or can do it myself, but I
don't disbelieve that they'resaying these things and that
they're having theseconversations Only because I've
seen it happen in front of myown eyes.
Yet it's like it does no harm.
(22:58):
You know, it might sound alittle crazy, might be a little
crazy, but it does no harm andhopefully it helps.
And at the end of the day, nomatter where we change or
however the pivot takes us, wejust want to maintain that
Hippocratic oath of do no harm,which is what most doctors well,
(23:23):
all doctors are supposed totake that oath.
But, us as trauma therapists Imean, that's what we specialized
in do no harm and looking atthe efficacy of all of the
different healing modalities.
Our minds are so powerful.
We use so little of our mind.
(23:44):
It really is about how do youwant to heal, what does healing
look like for you?
What do you need to heal from?
You know there's so manydifferent aspects to change and
so many levels.
Yeah, my, my, my quote.
(24:06):
The thing that I say to peopleis they're like oh, change,
change, change.
You know they make thesecomments and I'm like change is
the only thing that you don'thave.
You know, you know.
And if, what I say, if changewas easy, everybody would do it,
because, realistically, if youwant to change something, you
just do it.
And yet, even in therapy, Iknow that people are not,
(24:31):
they're not as interested injumping into it to try and make
the change, Because we, ashumans, are pain avoidant to it
to try and make the change,because we, as humans are pain
avoidant.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah, it sounds all good and well, like you just do
it, you make the change.
But what happens is the thingthat's crazy.
Difficult about changing isthat we're all programs right,
we're running on patterns, andmany of these programs we're
running on are so deeplyingrained in our mind that it's
not a matter of just all of asudden saying I'm going to do
something.
You have to, like build a newoperating system.
(25:07):
You have to rewire your brainand reprogram your mind to do
the things necessary to actuallychange.
And that comes with a lot ofdiscomfort, a lot of work, often
a lot of suffering hopefullyvoluntary suffering.
It's not easy.
So what is that crazy noise?
Geez.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I don't hear it on my end.
Hold on.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I'm hearing all sorts of echoes.
It just went away.
So how do when you get hit withit right, because this is the
really a really hard part aboutdealing with uncomfortable
situations, especially bad newsor whatever, like whatever
situation, whatever lifepresents itself with that can be
riveting to you.
When you get hit with that, howdo you deal with that, like
(25:57):
getting news, for instance,learning about your place being
shut down or the land.
When you got that news, what,what did you do?
How did you react to that?
What, what tools did you use inthat moment to get past that
wave of emotions?
Because clearly, you hear thenews and it's like a visceral
reaction and comes up with thisuncomfortable feeling of like,
(26:18):
oh my God, what am I going to do?
The sooner you could diffusethat, the sooner you could start
working towards a resolutionand not let it consume you.
So what are some tricks andtools that you use in situations
like that that you could sharewith others?
Speaker 3 (26:31):
For me.
How I handle things is.
I mean, it's sort of a form ofdissociation.
I just sort of step back and Idon't react.
Initially I will offercongratulations to the person
who is presenting this news,because this is something good
for them.
I take a minute, I don't sayanything and the next day is
(26:51):
usually when it'll happen, whereI'm like oh, this is a lot.
And through this whole processI was angry, but very briefly.
I get angry more about knowingthat it's been a process for a
while and that I had no clue,that it completely caught me off
guard that it was coming rightthen and there.
(27:12):
But other than that, the angerpassed really quickly because I
get more into the logic about it.
You know what makes sense.
When I had a moment, I cried, Ispoke with friends Reaching out
to friends is really importantand I have my ride or die.
(27:35):
I have my ride or die.
You know, I have these twowomen in my life that I've been.
You know we've been on the sameplane in the therapy world and
every you know raising kids andtherapy, and all that for over
(27:55):
30 years.
And if they see me being alittle too logical, they will
stop me, make me take a few deepbreaths, which is what I do
with clients.
Come on, come back into yourbody, take a few deep breaths.
How do you really feel?
So over the course of thosethree months that this was
happening, I cried.
I sat in my car.
(28:15):
So the hardest part for me wastaking photographs of my family
off the wall in the back office.
I took.
I had pictures of my son.
He's 37.
He was four years old.
In some of the you know, in apicture that I had of him and my
(28:37):
brother, in a picture that Ihad of him and my brother, my
kids, my grandkids, thephotocopy of hands on the copier
machine, little messages.
My daughter wrote a message andtaped it behind something that
I didn't see and it said don'tforget the love Bittersweet.
(28:59):
I got into my car that evening.
I had my salesperson.
She was like are you OK?
She said, do you want a hug?
And so I let her.
You know, I hugged her and Iget into my car and I sobbed, I
sobbed, I sobbed.
It was just.
I have had that space for anentire lifetime.
(29:26):
So I went through all of whatyou would call the phases of
grief.
I was angry, I was this isn'treally happening.
Can I bargain, can I negotiateto stay longer?
Sadness, just the sadness.
That was overwhelming sometimes.
You know the acceptance, justyou know, move into this place.
(29:48):
You know this is the business.
This is not a thing.
It wasn't a personal thing, itwas this is a business, even
though my business is verypersonal.
I moved into that space.
So, yeah, there was, there wasa lot of emotions and it really
is about just take three deepbreaths and ground.
I did a lot of walking in mybackyard in the grass, barefoot.
(30:17):
I spent a lot of time outsidejust hanging out with my trees,
looking at the water, listeningto the birds.
That was another piece.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
And the crystals.
Don't forget the crystals.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
I sat in the crystal room in the office.
I would just sit in the cornerwhere the main part of the store
.
When nobody was there, I wouldjust sit in the corner and just
breathe.
Nobody was there, I would justsit in the corner and just
breathe.
So I've done all of thesedifferent things to be able to
move through the emotional spaceand then you just come back to
business.
All right, let's get this done.
(30:50):
And we had our party.
We did and we called it acelebration of life.
And we had old clients thathave been have been through
these doors for over 30 years,that have come in and out
because they've always knownwhere we were, and a lot of
people.
There were some people thatcame that didn't think they were
going to come, but they werereally glad that they came and
(31:12):
it was an opportunity to saygoodbye.
We had even a book.
You know like a book that youwould have at like a funeral to
write a message and know like abook that you would have at like
a funeral to write a message.
And we had people writingmessages.
You'll have to write a messageeven if you weren't there.
We have the book and our sweetgoodbye.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Bitter sweet goodbye.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
On to new beginnings, Marilisa.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yes, yes, you know, I think that's a perfect place to
leave it.
So unless yeah, let's justleave it at that.
Everyone thanks so much forlistening to this conversation
on navigating life transitions.
If this resonated with you, oryou with you, or you know
somebody that's going through itright now, share this with
someone and always rememberchange is hard, but it is also
(32:08):
where growth happens, and and.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
And it is where growth happens.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
And Did I say but yeah, I'm working on
reprogramming, eliminating thebuts, installing the ands.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
And.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
And All right, Very cool Marilisa.
Always a pleasure, milady.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Jeremy, the same.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
All right.
Everyone Take care out there,stay positive, stay happy, stay
healthy.
Remember we only have this onelife to live, so let's live it
to the fullest.
Everyone take care Bye.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
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podcast.
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