March 15, 2024 • 36 mins
TAM and mort kick off season 4 of the Hidden Egg podcast talking about some Medium articles and their reactions to the content of those articles. To check out TAM's article about this episode, here's the Hidden Egg Publication!
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Hi, I'm Tam.
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And I'm eternally mortal.
And this is the Hidden Egg podcast, where we talk about vulnerability and I get used
to having a tongue.
And stuff and things.
I should have messed those words up to like solidarity with you.
No, it's totally fine.
It didn't occur to me in the moment.
I'm not taking that out either, by the way.
No, hell yeah.
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Leave it in.
It's supposed to be scuffed.
It's intended to be scuffed.
Let's scuff it up.
So our first order of business is going to be this article from Ryan.
Now I asked him if we could talk about this.
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Hang on.
Welcome to season four, everybody.
Okay, that's enough.
That's all I needed to say.
All right.
You asked him if we can talk about this, right?
Yeah.
And to be honest, I wasn't 100% clear on whether or not it was okay, but he didn't say no.
So...
Well, maybe we should skip it just in case.
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I think a clear yes is really kind of a necessity, isn't it?
Well, he was talking about it during our writing group because I have a writing group that
I am a part of before we do these recordings.
And it sounded like he was trying to give me additional information so that I could
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talk about it better.
I don't know.
Yeah, we're probably fine.
I'm being silly.
Yeah, I feel like we're okay.
But he wrote this article, We Need a Union for Everyone.
Let's Take a Bathroom Break on the Warehouse Floor.
And I thought that it was amazing.
I mean, I think a lot of articles are amazing.
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But this one I thought was particularly vulnerability-esque.
Yeah.
It really struck me as fighting the class war, like fighting it.
Like really getting out the pitchfork and being like the tiny number of fuckers that
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own us are assholes.
Well, during the writing thing, the writing group, he was kind of talking about how he
meant for this article to kind of be about how the media is trying to shape our lives
and get in between every two people to be the facilitator of interactions.
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But it's dividing us further and further apart.
And so his thing, kind of at the end, he was all just go outside and talk to your neighbor.
Go knock on their door and just shake their hand.
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And I really liked that.
I know that there are some points in the article I don't necessarily agree with fully, or there
are some things that I'm like, well, that might be a little far.
But the premise of it, I agree with the idea that we're kind of controlled by the media
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into being distant from each other.
Right.
Yeah, kind of.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, I can understand that.
There's a lot of, and I remember him, I'm sorry, the author, referring to the media
giants, the ones that own the Facebook and Twitter and the other ones.
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Right.
I don't want to scroll down too far on it.
I don't know if you're looking at the screen.
Oh, I forgot about the screen.
I don't want to scroll down too far on it because it is, I believe, a members only article.
Oh, maybe it's not.
Oh, it's not.
This is just for everybody.
Okay.
Well, never mind.
I'll just scroll down.
I thought it was a members only article and I didn't want to ruin that, but if it's not,
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then I can go a little bit further.
Because yeah, his whole thing is like, you know, our connection is broken and it makes
us scared and makes us feel powerless.
And that is what the media giants are trying to do.
They're trying to make you scared.
They're trying to make you feel powerless.
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Right.
It was very powerful what they had to say about, you know, the fact that we're not actually
alone.
Because like, searching for community is like one of the most human things that I'm aware
of, to be honest.
And you can find the search and the call and the desire and the comfort in community.
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I don't mean the show.
I mean the concept.
In every facet of life, in every single religion on the planet, in every political ideology,
in every, you know, philosophical circle.
I genuinely and truly believe that the reason that Flat Earth Society exists is because
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they feel like they have a community there.
They're like the people.
You know, we were also talking about the whole Trump thing.
I think that's the same thing.
They feel alone and they feel powerless.
And so when they band together under whatever tenuous concepts and values they want to bind
together with, they feel like they're powerful again.
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And it's like an addiction.
Actually, that was another thing that Ryan was talking about in the thing.
It's like they're addicted to being in the group of Trump.
Right.
Exactly.
And, you know, this article here is trying to tell people that feel alone, that feel
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like they don't have anybody around them, just go and talk to the people around you.
There's certainly a possibility that some of them are going to be assholes.
I get that.
But even some assholes have redeeming qualities.
I've been friends with many assholes, truly.
And like, sure, I don't want to promote their toxicity in certain regards, but I've also
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been able to find a sense of camaraderie with people of all.
I mean, none of us are perfect.
Right.
Who's my favorite asshole?
I don't know what you're talking about.
I am perfect.
No, I'm kidding.
Actually, I think my favorite asshole is Tam, if I'm being honest.
Thanks.
Am I an asshole?
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I guess I am sometimes.
You can be, but it's okay.
I still love you dearly.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I feel like I'd be tied with Ghost.
He's quite an asshole himself sometimes.
Right.
You know?
So like, if you go out and you talk to the people in your community, you can find people
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and you don't have to feel so alone.
You don't have to shout on Twitter things that you don't know, but you feel deeply if
you can find some people around you.
But you know, I also don't think that it takes into account that there's a lot of people
that are really going to, there's a lot of people that still struggle horribly with like
agoraphobia and the fear and social anxiety and introversion.
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Not that that's a disease or a negative thing.
Intervention is just a part of a potential part of who we are, but like, it's not, I
don't think it's all inclusive, the article.
Does that make sense?
Is that an answer you'd say?
Yeah.
I will say that I have some of those things that you're talking about.
The slight bit of agoraphobia hasn't completely subsided for me.
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And so I have a lot of anxiety about going out into the public and I do rely on the internet
and the connectivity that is available there to sort of help me reacclimate and fill in
the spaces of need because we all need to have social interactions, whether we feel
comfortable doing it or not is another story.
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And I do feel that there's sort of a lapse in the media where they know that.
They know that there are people like me out there and they use that against us.
I feel like that's what Facebook, Twitter, the social media ones, that's what they're
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capitalizing on is that you don't want to go out into actual public and shake somebody's
hand because there's anxiety there.
So let me help you facilitate that.
But then they have these algorithms that only feed you what they think is most popular,
what has been most popular because it's going to sell more ads or whatever.
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Yeah.
And most algorithms do generally lead people into an echo chamber.
What is social dilemma?
Is that a show?
By the way, I do see you, Surge.
I just don't know how to respond to you.
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Mandatory watch.
OK, so it's a show.
Yeah, I guess I guess I'll have to watch that.
Documentary.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Check that one out.
Sounds interesting.
Like how short are we talking?
Oh, it's about Facebook.
Oh, is it about Zuck?
Interesting.
Or is it just about Facebook?
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It would have to be just about Facebook.
Zuckerberg doesn't even own Facebook anymore.
I was just curious because I would love to see the operations manual for how to put together
your own Zuckerberg.
That would be interesting.
I think that's a different story entirely.
You think so?
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I think that's one of the episodes of Black Mirror, if I'm being honest.
Hey, there's a link.
All right.
I'll make sure I put that in the article for this episode, too.
I haven't watched it, but then it'll give us a place for it to rest while we get around
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watching it.
Do you want to get back to the article?
Yeah.
Well, I was actually going to say, do you want to maybe move on to the next article?
We can.
I do want to put out one more thing.
I really thought that it was very impactful that the author put the, you're not alone,
you're not alone, and then say it out loud, I'm not alone, because actually saying out
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loud words is such a powerful thing.
When you hear your own voice saying something, it matters.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
When you say out loud, I'm not alone, it does bring you just a little bit of a good feeling.
So I'm really glad that it was put there, and that's great.
Yeah, Sterge, I'm actually never alone.
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I am constantly around something.
There's always somebody in our house.
But there's times when everybody's asleep and I'm not, and so I'll be like, yay, I'm
kind of alone.
But that's a different thing.
Until we get a new cat.
Did you ever, I'll ask.
I'll ask about that stuff later.
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Never mind.
Okay.
Moving on.
Moving on.
Moving on.
Second article.
Second article.
So now we're going to go to abuse stuff.
So first off, this is my Abuse Road publication.
There's not, it's super new.
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I'm trying to get it off the ground, but it's going to be a slow start.
Wink, wink.
I see you there, Sterge.
Anyway.
So this was the first article that I wrote, and it was after a night where me and Kai,
my child, we had watched an r slash video, and I just, I really like r slash videos.
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And I was like, you know, I don't have to do a video.
Like I've been thinking about doing stuff like this for a while.
I was like, I could just write it.
What am I doing?
Why do I need to wait for a video?
I could just write an article about it.
And so I did.
I wrote an article about one story that I found on Reddit that, here it is, that I was
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like, I'm going to break down what is going on here.
Do you want me to read it?
I don't know if I should.
I don't know if that's too like, plagiary, but.
No, I mean, that's what r slash does.
And then he reacts to it.
So yeah, go ahead.
I'm going to read the whole thing then.
Okay.
I want to start off by saying that I found out that my wife posted to this sub and she
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will no longer speak to me.
So I'm here to try and get her to talk to me.
I cheated on my wife when she was pregnant twice.
And then I did it again, stupidly after she gave birth to our son.
I was stressed and the coworker was there.
We got to talking about life and how hard her divorce was.
She's been lonely.
I was feeling lonely.
My wife was bedridden and I needed someone to talk to you because my wife was always
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asleep.
I just needed someone to talk to.
She just wasn't feeling well enough to act like a wife.
What a dick.
Okay.
My, my wife won't speak to me or text me whenever I try to talk about us.
She just completely ignores me unless I talk about our son and all the time she won't even
text me.
She communicates with me through her mother.
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Her mother threatened to call the police if presumably if I come by anymore.
So I have no way to reach her except through phone or me making my case here and pleaded
with her to just talk to me.
Like just do a little, just one, one pass and reread it buddy.
Okay.
Has anyone been in this situation before and what can I do to make her forgive me?
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She told me that she doesn't tolerate cheaters and I had a lapse of judgment and I made a
mistake and I want to fix it and work on it.
Steph, if you're reading this, I am so sorry and we'll do whatever to get you back.
I love you.
I'll buy you whatever.
I'll never leave the house again.
Just come back home and stop the divorce.
I won't sign the papers.
I won't sign the papers.
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I won't sign the papers.
So first off, gross.
The whole thing, just gross.
Okay.
So when I first read this, sorry, you don't mind if I just kind of spit, do you?
No, no, go ahead.
When I first read this, I was like, I see a lot of the dudes that I've known in life
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in this at like a younger age, like this was this teenage romance in a lot of regards.
Like I am doing my thing and this person is my girlfriend or my boyfriend or my partner
and like my life is my life and like they only exist when they interact with me.
Like that was just a teenage thing from what I saw as a teenager.
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And it just looks like this person never really grew up.
He doesn't recognize, from my perspective, he doesn't recognize that his wife is a whole
separate entity with like an entire universe that lives inside of her mind that has things
that she wants and desires and needs and loves that he probably doesn't have any goddamn
clue about.
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Like he clearly has no clue that when someone is pregnant, the chemicals are maddening.
And so like any any like actual betrayal is like three times more powerful, at least in
humans.
Sorry, I was I was trying to find the original article.
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I think this particular article was taken down.
Like I think he deleted it or something.
Probably probably.
If you look at the bottom left corner of this little image, if you happen to just be able
to see the image, it says zero points, one point seven thousand comments.
Yeah, I don't imagine he left it up very long because he probably got roasted.
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Today is zero points, one point nine thousand comments.
So yeah.
So so do you have some stuff you want to say about it?
I mean, I wrote a whole article about it, so obviously I do.
But I didn't want to like take up the space with that because that's something people
could go to read my article and find out.
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But I think your your intuition here is pretty spot on with what I said.
He's clearly a narcissist.
He didn't like is it just the language that he uses is so detached from her being an actual
autonomous person and help me make her change her mind?
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I won't sign the like the worst part of it is the why I won't sign the papers.
It sounds so innocuous.
But when you really think about it, anybody who's been in an abusive relationship, that
that line right there, that's a threat.
That is a threat saying I am going to make your life a living hell.
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Don't go through with this choice.
You will regret it.
I will make sure of that.
But I mean, also just refusing to sign those sorts of papers, if I understand the whole
situation correctly, because of course, as far as I know, I've never gotten a divorce.
As far as you know, as far as I know, it you literally are just like hijacking that person's
freedom.
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You were literally capturing them in a certain regard.
They are no longer allowed to have any sort of a legal partner because you refuse to vacate
the position that you no longer inhabit.
Is your phone on?
Yeah.
Sorry.
I forgot.
Fixing.
Fixing now.
Yeah, I did it before the writing group.
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So hacking the database, reversing the polarity.
Okay, I'm back.
And I know I know that like it sounds like it's a romantic thing where you're like, oh,
he doesn't want to let her go.
That's so sweet.
No, no, because all the other things prior to that suggest he doesn't care about her.
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She wasn't feeling well enough to act like a wife.
So that means that you don't have to act like a husband ever, because it doesn't sound like
he was putting any effort into being a husband.
He may have just been saying that as a euphemism to mean actual sex, like she wasn't feeling
capable of having sex.
Yeah, but he was using that to justify him cheating on her.
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So right.
So because she literally physically could not have sex with you, that means that you
were allowed to get it wherever you wanted.
Right.
And that's ridiculous.
That is ridiculous.
How would you feel like if your wife that didn't feel like having sex with you was having
sex with somebody else?
How would you feel?
Because you'd probably feel pretty fucking shitty.
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That is one of the things that pisses me off.
I have known people in person that have been cheating daily on their significant other,
and they have talked to me about how scared they are that their significant other is cheating
on them.
And they're people that I work with or have worked with in the past.
And so I didn't want to destroy the working relationship by saying you're a psychopath
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and you don't deserve a romantic partner.
Right?
Like, I don't look, I don't condone or condemn people for cheating.
I don't.
I it's it's it's a choice.
It's not the one I would make, but that doesn't mean that it's wrong necessarily.
In the erotica groups that I've been in, there's there's definitely a lot of women in loveless
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marriages that their husbands will not touch them anymore.
They just don't want sex.
They're basically asexuals that are in denial.
But these women, like if they were to get out of the relationship, it would like destroy
their families or whatever.
I'm not going to say that that's right or wrong.
Not not.
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I'm just putting it out there.
I'm neutral on that.
However, it seems to me like this was a situation where she was carrying his fucking child.
Yeah.
And that was what she was been ridden from.
So she was this not a loveless relationship.
She had sex with him, got pregnant and then was bedridden because of said pregnancy.
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Like you did this to her.
And that somehow justifies the cheating.
What?
Right.
The logic here.
It's ridiculous.
And I am.
Mortal admits to associating with cheaters, rephrasing it loosely.
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The Sturge 2024.
The thing that I because I've been watching a lot of, you know, react to Reddit videos
to from various YouTubers and a little bit on Twitch and whatever.
And like the the problem that I I find with it is that it's so it's such a snapshot of
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an entire interaction because these two are married.
You know, yeah, they were they were married when she got pregnant, I assume, based on
what this looks like.
I don't know that for sure, though.
But it seems mad.
It seems like madness to me that she would get pregnant and they would get married and
then they would start having the sex problems and he would immediately start cheating on
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her.
Like it's just a very quick time frame.
But sure, maybe it's possible.
It sounds like a quick time frame, even if it goes the long way and they got married,
got pregnant and then he started cheating.
Because he said he said he said he cheated twice and then once after she gave birth, which
was once while she was pregnant and then again after she gave birth.
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Yeah.
And by the way, the once after she gave birth, you don't want to be in that relationship.
The thing that boggles my mind about shit like this is that you clearly don't want to
be in this relationship anymore.
You don't want to be in this relationship anymore.
Sure.
I understand it's difficult to get out of a relationship.
Sure.
I understand it can be really, really scary to think about life being alone.
I get all of that.
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There's a there's a bajillion books talking about that.
But why does it not matter that you don't want to be in this relationship anymore?
This is if you stay in a relationship that is painful to you, especially emotionally
painful to you, you wake up in hell every day and that's where you go to sleep.
He might not feel like it's emotionally painful, but he's obviously not faithful.
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If you can't stay faithful in the relationship, that is a sign that you don't want to be
in it.
Right.
Exactly.
Also, this whole like plea to Reddit in general and to Steph includes nothing about how and
what ways he loves her.
Right.
It doesn't include anything about nothing about her.
Nothing about her except that her mom threatened to call the police, which kind of suggests
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that he was stalking the police.
I'm just saying that doesn't happen on the first visit.
Well, there's there's a couple of extremes from him being incredibly, you know, psychotic
sort of stalker situation to the mom being a little overprotective.
Also, like there's a big range in there.
I don't know what it could be.
Sturge seems to think that you just started a cult.
I don't know what's happening.
That's fine.
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Nothing wrong with that at all.
Yeah.
So but I wanted to say that like it's such a snapshot and there's a lot that goes into
it.
And I think that's a big nuance to this is not exactly who this person is.
You know, I don't want to condemn this person to actual hell because he was a dick to his
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wife and maybe continues to be a dick to his wife.
He got 1700 people talking to him about it.
1800, 1900 after what you said.
And I hope that that penetrated a little bit enough for him to learn something.
But I don't think it did.
It's entirely possible that he might be able to come out of narcissism.
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It does happen.
It's just really rare.
So I'm not going to hold my breath on it because like you can't.
But I will say it.
I think it is possible.
Maybe people do learn from their mistakes sometimes.
Yeah.
Uh huh.
So I hope that he did learn a bit from this mistake.
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He posted this, which was the wildest part, honestly.
What a self report.
But yeah, why did you not read?
He obviously didn't read over it.
He just wrote it and then sent it out.
Yeah.
But anyway, so that's that's that's the one of the first article.
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I'll link to that also somewhere in places.
In places, certainly.
It's on it's on Abuse Road in on Medium.
So you ready for the finale?
Yeah.
In the interim, before we start that, I'm actually going to read Sturges last comment
out loud.
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I hope they penetrated him.
Penetrated him enough after 1900 people.
Mortal 2024.
Well, OK, so the RD, I just call it road because RD tends to just abbreviate road.
So it was it's it's a clever play on words where like, you know, it's abuser and abused
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in the same sentence, but it's also a journey of abuse either way.
So that's why.
Yeah.
So technically it's it's Abuse Road.
Yay, we got it.
So I just realized I haven't read this third one, have I?
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No, no, you've not.
And it's a member only story, so I'm not going to be scrolling all the way through it.
I did link to it.
You can read it after the podcast if you want to.
But I just wanted to kind of go over some of the stuff.
It generally talks about.
I love this picture.
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It's hilarious.
It's a cute picture.
And also, yes, Nancy Blackman is is is a phenomenal author, writer, whatever, whatever you want
to call her on medium.
I've read many of her pieces.
So the article is nourishing the soul.
What stories are you telling yourself and how do they nourish or deplete your soul?
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And I thought, well, after talking about the media screwing up our brains and what abuse
looks like, maybe it was a good idea to think about how to nourish the soul with stories.
Right.
That makes sense.
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Are you reading parts of it?
I tried.
I'm trying it too fast, and so I'm not really like gathering any of it yet.
So I'm just going to kind of overview this stuff like down halfway through the article.
Things like embrace the call to adventure, explore your inner world, find meaning in
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everyday life.
What the article seems to be about to me is accepting your hero's journey.
I've heard that in so many different places where like the hero's journey is always happening
in your life somewhere.
And you're you can have many different hero's journeys going on at the same time where you're
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the center of the story and you're maybe at the beginning, maybe you're in the middle,
maybe you're at the end, whatever.
And I think what she's saying here is like trying to kind of walk people through finding
that journey, like look for opportunities to infuse everyday life with meaning and purpose
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by realizing the symbolic significance of your experiences.
Oh, and she actually does say that the hero on their journey.
I missed that.
Okay.
And I thought that that was really an uplifting note to end on because one of the things that
we often fail to do is think about where we're growing to in the sense of a story.
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Yeah, that's true.
That's true.
It's really easy to feel bogged down by all the negatives, you know?
Yeah, or to be caught in a moment or a single reaction, you know, because it was something
that you can't forgive yourself for.
You can't figure if somebody else for.
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Right.
Yeah.
But I mean, almost, it's got to be like an enormous number of our stories that actually
like cover a portion of a person's life is really that hero's journey circle, isn't it?
Kind of.
Say that again.
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I feel like I'm losing the point.
Maybe I shouldn't.
It seems like a lot of the stories out there have the hero's journey, right?
Right.
Right.
That's all I mean.
Is it a cycle or is it just a single wave?
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I mean, I guess you could call it a cycle.
I mean, the hero's journey is a writing tool to help structure a story.
And when you're doing like a series, you will have multiple story arcs that go through the
hero's journey.
But I don't know that anybody calls it cyclic.
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Because once you get to the end, you're supposed to have gone through a transformative thing.
So you don't really end up back at the beginning of the it's not of the same thing.
It'll be like a different arc.
You know what I mean?
Not a circle, a spiral.
Spiral up.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, and I don't know.
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I don't I don't know.
I don't I don't know, because that seems more like if it's a spiral, then you'd still have
overlapping themes.
So would you really say that you've learned from the journey if you're overlapping the
theme again?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm not sure that I agree with that.
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But I don't know that that's like I think it's subject to interpretation.
I think that it could be a spiral, but I don't see it as a spiral.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, it absolutely makes sense.
I'm just kind of trying to relate it because like I feel like we do have a bit of the hero's
journey that happens in our lives in a cyclic fashion.
Like I think that we go through a lot of different things like that.
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And I think that this article, not that I've read it, but you know, the embrace is called
Adventure Explorer in a World and Find meeting in everyday life.
These are very powerful directions to help you to go to start a new thing.
I don't know.
I have some stuff that I want to say about this, but it hasn't really formed yet.
It's just little, little, little, little ideal.
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It's floating around in the aether around my face.
So I don't know that I can really turn them into anything really yet.
These are very powerful directions.
Mortal 2024, trying to find one uniform path to work.
Sturge, I'm loving these little these little quotes in the moment.
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If we were doing a Twitch stream, we would need Sturge to do our ad quotes so we could
build our quotes over time.
That's the whole thing that happens in Twitch streams.
So did you find anything else in this article?
What do you mean?
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I was just trying to bring it back to the article.
That's all.
Yeah, I probably should have looked over it again just to be sure.
I feel like she goes deeper into it, but I don't want to go too far because I don't want
to expose her writing because this is a medium members only story.
But I'll link to it in the article for the episode.
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And I'll link to it in the article for the episode.
Absolutely.
It looks delightful.
But I definitely feel like, you know, if you're feeling bogged down by social media or if
you or someone you love is being, you know, going through an abusive relationship, finding
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out where you lie in the hero's journey, like how this story impacts your hero's journey,
I think is a good way to gain some perspective on what you want to do next.
Heck yeah.
Absolutely.
And I like you tying all the episode together.
That's cute.
I really like that a lot.
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Thank you.
That's very cute.
Yeah.
Well done.
Well done.
It's like you're a story writer or something.
Or something.
Yeah.
Or something.
No, you're probably side reading some erotica.
Wow.
I'm not that talented.
I can't read and talk like this at the same time.
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I'm not that good.
No, Tam just waits for me to start talking.
And like if I start going on like a tangent or I'm on a monologue, they're like, yay.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Although I will be honest, because this is a vulnerability podcast, there are certainly
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times when you start talking that I look at the article or I look at something else and
I do lose the thread.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
I have that problem too.
But definitely not reading erotica.
It's a lot easier to do that sort of thing when we're not in the same room.
Remember when we were doing this in the same room?
Yeah.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, that goes back to the media thing.
Being in the same room with somebody, it's harder to disconnect.
It really is.
I will be honest, there are times when I zone you out.
Mortal to Tam, 2024.
After a decade and a half, there have to be times that I zone you out.
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I hope it's in return as well.
Yeah.
Like that's just part of being people.
And we are super people shaped.
We are people.
That's amazing.
I haven't clapped for this article yet.
I feel bad.
Well, I haven't either, but I haven't read it either.
So I'll clap after I read it probably.
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Well, we can probably wrap up the episode.
Probably a good idea.
Okay.
Well, thank you, dear listener and possibly dear viewer question mark for coming along
with us on our delightful journey into season four of the hidden egg podcast.
We appreciate your time and attention and we hope that you find smiles this day.
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Oh, I'm sorry.
I'm eternally immortal and I hope you find smiles this day.
And I'm the accidental monster.
You can find us both on medium.com and follow yourself always.
Hi, I'm Tam.
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And I'm eternally mortal.
And this is the Hidden Egg podcast, where we talk about vulnerability and I get used
to having a tongue.
And stuff and things.
I should have messed those words up to like solidarity with you.
No, it's totally fine.
It didn't occur to me in the moment.
I'm not taking that out either, by the way.
No, hell yeah.
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Leave it in.
It's supposed to be scuffed.
It's intended to be scuffed.
Let's scuff it up.
So our first order of business is going to be this article from Ryan.
Now I asked him if we could talk about this.
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Hang on.
Welcome to season four, everybody.
Okay, that's enough.
That's all I needed to say.
All right.
You asked him if we can talk about this, right?
Yeah.
And to be honest, I wasn't 100% clear on whether or not it was okay, but he didn't say no.
So...
Well, maybe we should skip it just in case.
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I think a clear yes is really kind of a necessity, isn't it?
Well, he was talking about it during our writing group because I have a writing group that
I am a part of before we do these recordings.
And it sounded like he was trying to give me additional information so that I could
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talk about it better.
I don't know.
Yeah, we're probably fine.
I'm being silly.
Yeah, I feel like we're okay.
But he wrote this article, We Need a Union for Everyone.
Let's Take a Bathroom Break on the Warehouse Floor.
And I thought that it was amazing.
I mean, I think a lot of articles are amazing.
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But this one I thought was particularly vulnerability-esque.
Yeah.
It really struck me as fighting the class war, like fighting it.
Like really getting out the pitchfork and being like the tiny number of fuckers that
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own us are assholes.
Well, during the writing thing, the writing group, he was kind of talking about how he
meant for this article to kind of be about how the media is trying to shape our lives
and get in between every two people to be the facilitator of interactions.
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But it's dividing us further and further apart.
And so his thing, kind of at the end, he was all just go outside and talk to your neighbor.
Go knock on their door and just shake their hand.
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And I really liked that.
I know that there are some points in the article I don't necessarily agree with fully, or there
are some things that I'm like, well, that might be a little far.
But the premise of it, I agree with the idea that we're kind of controlled by the media
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into being distant from each other.
Right.
Yeah, kind of.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, I can understand that.
There's a lot of, and I remember him, I'm sorry, the author, referring to the media
giants, the ones that own the Facebook and Twitter and the other ones.
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Right.
I don't want to scroll down too far on it.
I don't know if you're looking at the screen.
Oh, I forgot about the screen.
I don't want to scroll down too far on it because it is, I believe, a members only article.
Oh, maybe it's not.
Oh, it's not.
This is just for everybody.
Okay.
Well, never mind.
I'll just scroll down.
I thought it was a members only article and I didn't want to ruin that, but if it's not,
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then I can go a little bit further.
Because yeah, his whole thing is like, you know, our connection is broken and it makes
us scared and makes us feel powerless.
And that is what the media giants are trying to do.
They're trying to make you scared.
They're trying to make you feel powerless.
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Right.
It was very powerful what they had to say about, you know, the fact that we're not actually
alone.
Because like, searching for community is like one of the most human things that I'm aware
of, to be honest.
And you can find the search and the call and the desire and the comfort in community.
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I don't mean the show.
I mean the concept.
In every facet of life, in every single religion on the planet, in every political ideology,
in every, you know, philosophical circle.
I genuinely and truly believe that the reason that Flat Earth Society exists is because
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they feel like they have a community there.
They're like the people.
You know, we were also talking about the whole Trump thing.
I think that's the same thing.
They feel alone and they feel powerless.
And so when they band together under whatever tenuous concepts and values they want to bind
together with, they feel like they're powerful again.
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And it's like an addiction.
Actually, that was another thing that Ryan was talking about in the thing.
It's like they're addicted to being in the group of Trump.
Right.
Exactly.
And, you know, this article here is trying to tell people that feel alone, that feel
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like they don't have anybody around them, just go and talk to the people around you.
There's certainly a possibility that some of them are going to be assholes.
I get that.
But even some assholes have redeeming qualities.
I've been friends with many assholes, truly.
And like, sure, I don't want to promote their toxicity in certain regards, but I've also
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been able to find a sense of camaraderie with people of all.
I mean, none of us are perfect.
Right.
Who's my favorite asshole?
I don't know what you're talking about.
I am perfect.
No, I'm kidding.
Actually, I think my favorite asshole is Tam, if I'm being honest.
Thanks.
Am I an asshole?
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I guess I am sometimes.
You can be, but it's okay.
I still love you dearly.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I feel like I'd be tied with Ghost.
He's quite an asshole himself sometimes.
Right.
You know?
So like, if you go out and you talk to the people in your community, you can find people
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and you don't have to feel so alone.
You don't have to shout on Twitter things that you don't know, but you feel deeply if
you can find some people around you.
But you know, I also don't think that it takes into account that there's a lot of people
that are really going to, there's a lot of people that still struggle horribly with like
agoraphobia and the fear and social anxiety and introversion.
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Not that that's a disease or a negative thing.
Intervention is just a part of a potential part of who we are, but like, it's not, I
don't think it's all inclusive, the article.
Does that make sense?
Is that an answer you'd say?
Yeah.
I will say that I have some of those things that you're talking about.
The slight bit of agoraphobia hasn't completely subsided for me.
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And so I have a lot of anxiety about going out into the public and I do rely on the internet
and the connectivity that is available there to sort of help me reacclimate and fill in
the spaces of need because we all need to have social interactions, whether we feel
comfortable doing it or not is another story.
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And I do feel that there's sort of a lapse in the media where they know that.
They know that there are people like me out there and they use that against us.
I feel like that's what Facebook, Twitter, the social media ones, that's what they're
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capitalizing on is that you don't want to go out into actual public and shake somebody's
hand because there's anxiety there.
So let me help you facilitate that.
But then they have these algorithms that only feed you what they think is most popular,
what has been most popular because it's going to sell more ads or whatever.
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Yeah.
And most algorithms do generally lead people into an echo chamber.
What is social dilemma?
Is that a show?
By the way, I do see you, Surge.
I just don't know how to respond to you.
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Mandatory watch.
OK, so it's a show.
Yeah, I guess I guess I'll have to watch that.
Documentary.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Check that one out.
Sounds interesting.
Like how short are we talking?
Oh, it's about Facebook.
Oh, is it about Zuck?
Interesting.
Or is it just about Facebook?
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It would have to be just about Facebook.
Zuckerberg doesn't even own Facebook anymore.
I was just curious because I would love to see the operations manual for how to put together
your own Zuckerberg.
That would be interesting.
I think that's a different story entirely.
You think so?
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I think that's one of the episodes of Black Mirror, if I'm being honest.
Hey, there's a link.
All right.
I'll make sure I put that in the article for this episode, too.
I haven't watched it, but then it'll give us a place for it to rest while we get around
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watching it.
Do you want to get back to the article?
Yeah.
Well, I was actually going to say, do you want to maybe move on to the next article?
We can.
I do want to put out one more thing.
I really thought that it was very impactful that the author put the, you're not alone,
you're not alone, and then say it out loud, I'm not alone, because actually saying out
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loud words is such a powerful thing.
When you hear your own voice saying something, it matters.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
When you say out loud, I'm not alone, it does bring you just a little bit of a good feeling.
So I'm really glad that it was put there, and that's great.
Yeah, Sterge, I'm actually never alone.
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I am constantly around something.
There's always somebody in our house.
But there's times when everybody's asleep and I'm not, and so I'll be like, yay, I'm
kind of alone.
But that's a different thing.
Until we get a new cat.
Did you ever, I'll ask.
I'll ask about that stuff later.
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Never mind.
Okay.
Moving on.
Moving on.
Moving on.
Second article.
Second article.
So now we're going to go to abuse stuff.
So first off, this is my Abuse Road publication.
There's not, it's super new.
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I'm trying to get it off the ground, but it's going to be a slow start.
Wink, wink.
I see you there, Sterge.
Anyway.
So this was the first article that I wrote, and it was after a night where me and Kai,
my child, we had watched an r slash video, and I just, I really like r slash videos.
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And I was like, you know, I don't have to do a video.
Like I've been thinking about doing stuff like this for a while.
I was like, I could just write it.
What am I doing?
Why do I need to wait for a video?
I could just write an article about it.
And so I did.
I wrote an article about one story that I found on Reddit that, here it is, that I was
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like, I'm going to break down what is going on here.
Do you want me to read it?
I don't know if I should.
I don't know if that's too like, plagiary, but.
No, I mean, that's what r slash does.
And then he reacts to it.
So yeah, go ahead.
I'm going to read the whole thing then.
Okay.
I want to start off by saying that I found out that my wife posted to this sub and she
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will no longer speak to me.
So I'm here to try and get her to talk to me.
I cheated on my wife when she was pregnant twice.
And then I did it again, stupidly after she gave birth to our son.
I was stressed and the coworker was there.
We got to talking about life and how hard her divorce was.
She's been lonely.
I was feeling lonely.
My wife was bedridden and I needed someone to talk to you because my wife was always
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asleep.
I just needed someone to talk to.
She just wasn't feeling well enough to act like a wife.
What a dick.
Okay.
My, my wife won't speak to me or text me whenever I try to talk about us.
She just completely ignores me unless I talk about our son and all the time she won't even
text me.
She communicates with me through her mother.
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Her mother threatened to call the police if presumably if I come by anymore.
So I have no way to reach her except through phone or me making my case here and pleaded
with her to just talk to me.
Like just do a little, just one, one pass and reread it buddy.
Okay.
Has anyone been in this situation before and what can I do to make her forgive me?
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She told me that she doesn't tolerate cheaters and I had a lapse of judgment and I made a
mistake and I want to fix it and work on it.
Steph, if you're reading this, I am so sorry and we'll do whatever to get you back.
I love you.
I'll buy you whatever.
I'll never leave the house again.
Just come back home and stop the divorce.
I won't sign the papers.
I won't sign the papers.
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I won't sign the papers.
So first off, gross.
The whole thing, just gross.
Okay.
So when I first read this, sorry, you don't mind if I just kind of spit, do you?
No, no, go ahead.
When I first read this, I was like, I see a lot of the dudes that I've known in life
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in this at like a younger age, like this was this teenage romance in a lot of regards.
Like I am doing my thing and this person is my girlfriend or my boyfriend or my partner
and like my life is my life and like they only exist when they interact with me.
Like that was just a teenage thing from what I saw as a teenager.
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And it just looks like this person never really grew up.
He doesn't recognize, from my perspective, he doesn't recognize that his wife is a whole
separate entity with like an entire universe that lives inside of her mind that has things
that she wants and desires and needs and loves that he probably doesn't have any goddamn
clue about.
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Like he clearly has no clue that when someone is pregnant, the chemicals are maddening.
And so like any any like actual betrayal is like three times more powerful, at least in
humans.
Sorry, I was I was trying to find the original article.
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I think this particular article was taken down.
Like I think he deleted it or something.
Probably probably.
If you look at the bottom left corner of this little image, if you happen to just be able
to see the image, it says zero points, one point seven thousand comments.
Yeah, I don't imagine he left it up very long because he probably got roasted.
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Today is zero points, one point nine thousand comments.
So yeah.
So so do you have some stuff you want to say about it?
I mean, I wrote a whole article about it, so obviously I do.
But I didn't want to like take up the space with that because that's something people
could go to read my article and find out.
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But I think your your intuition here is pretty spot on with what I said.
He's clearly a narcissist.
He didn't like is it just the language that he uses is so detached from her being an actual
autonomous person and help me make her change her mind?
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I won't sign the like the worst part of it is the why I won't sign the papers.
It sounds so innocuous.
But when you really think about it, anybody who's been in an abusive relationship, that
that line right there, that's a threat.
That is a threat saying I am going to make your life a living hell.
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Don't go through with this choice.
You will regret it.
I will make sure of that.
But I mean, also just refusing to sign those sorts of papers, if I understand the whole
situation correctly, because of course, as far as I know, I've never gotten a divorce.
As far as you know, as far as I know, it you literally are just like hijacking that person's
freedom.
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You were literally capturing them in a certain regard.
They are no longer allowed to have any sort of a legal partner because you refuse to vacate
the position that you no longer inhabit.
Is your phone on?
Yeah.
Sorry.
I forgot.
Fixing.
Fixing now.
Yeah, I did it before the writing group.
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So hacking the database, reversing the polarity.
Okay, I'm back.
And I know I know that like it sounds like it's a romantic thing where you're like, oh,
he doesn't want to let her go.
That's so sweet.
No, no, because all the other things prior to that suggest he doesn't care about her.
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She wasn't feeling well enough to act like a wife.
So that means that you don't have to act like a husband ever, because it doesn't sound like
he was putting any effort into being a husband.
He may have just been saying that as a euphemism to mean actual sex, like she wasn't feeling
capable of having sex.
Yeah, but he was using that to justify him cheating on her.
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So right.
So because she literally physically could not have sex with you, that means that you
were allowed to get it wherever you wanted.
Right.
And that's ridiculous.
That is ridiculous.
How would you feel like if your wife that didn't feel like having sex with you was having
sex with somebody else?
How would you feel?
Because you'd probably feel pretty fucking shitty.
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That is one of the things that pisses me off.
I have known people in person that have been cheating daily on their significant other,
and they have talked to me about how scared they are that their significant other is cheating
on them.
And they're people that I work with or have worked with in the past.
And so I didn't want to destroy the working relationship by saying you're a psychopath
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and you don't deserve a romantic partner.
Right?
Like, I don't look, I don't condone or condemn people for cheating.
I don't.
I it's it's it's a choice.
It's not the one I would make, but that doesn't mean that it's wrong necessarily.
In the erotica groups that I've been in, there's there's definitely a lot of women in loveless
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marriages that their husbands will not touch them anymore.
They just don't want sex.
They're basically asexuals that are in denial.
But these women, like if they were to get out of the relationship, it would like destroy
their families or whatever.
I'm not going to say that that's right or wrong.
Not not.
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I'm just putting it out there.
I'm neutral on that.
However, it seems to me like this was a situation where she was carrying his fucking child.
Yeah.
And that was what she was been ridden from.
So she was this not a loveless relationship.
She had sex with him, got pregnant and then was bedridden because of said pregnancy.
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Like you did this to her.
And that somehow justifies the cheating.
What?
Right.
The logic here.
It's ridiculous.
And I am.
Mortal admits to associating with cheaters, rephrasing it loosely.
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The Sturge 2024.
The thing that I because I've been watching a lot of, you know, react to Reddit videos
to from various YouTubers and a little bit on Twitch and whatever.
And like the the problem that I I find with it is that it's so it's such a snapshot of
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an entire interaction because these two are married.
You know, yeah, they were they were married when she got pregnant, I assume, based on
what this looks like.
I don't know that for sure, though.
But it seems mad.
It seems like madness to me that she would get pregnant and they would get married and
then they would start having the sex problems and he would immediately start cheating on
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her.
Like it's just a very quick time frame.
But sure, maybe it's possible.
It sounds like a quick time frame, even if it goes the long way and they got married,
got pregnant and then he started cheating.
Because he said he said he said he cheated twice and then once after she gave birth, which
was once while she was pregnant and then again after she gave birth.
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Yeah.
And by the way, the once after she gave birth, you don't want to be in that relationship.
The thing that boggles my mind about shit like this is that you clearly don't want to
be in this relationship anymore.
You don't want to be in this relationship anymore.
Sure.
I understand it's difficult to get out of a relationship.
Sure.
I understand it can be really, really scary to think about life being alone.
I get all of that.
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There's a there's a bajillion books talking about that.
But why does it not matter that you don't want to be in this relationship anymore?
This is if you stay in a relationship that is painful to you, especially emotionally
painful to you, you wake up in hell every day and that's where you go to sleep.
He might not feel like it's emotionally painful, but he's obviously not faithful.
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If you can't stay faithful in the relationship, that is a sign that you don't want to be
in it.
Right.
Exactly.
Also, this whole like plea to Reddit in general and to Steph includes nothing about how and
what ways he loves her.
Right.
It doesn't include anything about nothing about her.
Nothing about her except that her mom threatened to call the police, which kind of suggests
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that he was stalking the police.
I'm just saying that doesn't happen on the first visit.
Well, there's there's a couple of extremes from him being incredibly, you know, psychotic
sort of stalker situation to the mom being a little overprotective.
Also, like there's a big range in there.
I don't know what it could be.
Sturge seems to think that you just started a cult.
I don't know what's happening.
That's fine.
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Nothing wrong with that at all.
Yeah.
So but I wanted to say that like it's such a snapshot and there's a lot that goes into
it.
And I think that's a big nuance to this is not exactly who this person is.
You know, I don't want to condemn this person to actual hell because he was a dick to his
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wife and maybe continues to be a dick to his wife.
He got 1700 people talking to him about it.
1800, 1900 after what you said.
And I hope that that penetrated a little bit enough for him to learn something.
But I don't think it did.
It's entirely possible that he might be able to come out of narcissism.
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It does happen.
It's just really rare.
So I'm not going to hold my breath on it because like you can't.
But I will say it.
I think it is possible.
Maybe people do learn from their mistakes sometimes.
Yeah.
Uh huh.
So I hope that he did learn a bit from this mistake.
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He posted this, which was the wildest part, honestly.
What a self report.
But yeah, why did you not read?
He obviously didn't read over it.
He just wrote it and then sent it out.
Yeah.
But anyway, so that's that's that's the one of the first article.
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I'll link to that also somewhere in places.
In places, certainly.
It's on it's on Abuse Road in on Medium.
So you ready for the finale?
Yeah.
In the interim, before we start that, I'm actually going to read Sturges last comment
out loud.
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I hope they penetrated him.
Penetrated him enough after 1900 people.
Mortal 2024.
Well, OK, so the RD, I just call it road because RD tends to just abbreviate road.
So it was it's it's a clever play on words where like, you know, it's abuser and abused
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in the same sentence, but it's also a journey of abuse either way.
So that's why.
Yeah.
So technically it's it's Abuse Road.
Yay, we got it.
So I just realized I haven't read this third one, have I?
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No, no, you've not.
And it's a member only story, so I'm not going to be scrolling all the way through it.
I did link to it.
You can read it after the podcast if you want to.
But I just wanted to kind of go over some of the stuff.
It generally talks about.
I love this picture.
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It's hilarious.
It's a cute picture.
And also, yes, Nancy Blackman is is is a phenomenal author, writer, whatever, whatever you want
to call her on medium.
I've read many of her pieces.
So the article is nourishing the soul.
What stories are you telling yourself and how do they nourish or deplete your soul?
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And I thought, well, after talking about the media screwing up our brains and what abuse
looks like, maybe it was a good idea to think about how to nourish the soul with stories.
Right.
That makes sense.
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Are you reading parts of it?
I tried.
I'm trying it too fast, and so I'm not really like gathering any of it yet.
So I'm just going to kind of overview this stuff like down halfway through the article.
Things like embrace the call to adventure, explore your inner world, find meaning in
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everyday life.
What the article seems to be about to me is accepting your hero's journey.
I've heard that in so many different places where like the hero's journey is always happening
in your life somewhere.
And you're you can have many different hero's journeys going on at the same time where you're
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the center of the story and you're maybe at the beginning, maybe you're in the middle,
maybe you're at the end, whatever.
And I think what she's saying here is like trying to kind of walk people through finding
that journey, like look for opportunities to infuse everyday life with meaning and purpose
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by realizing the symbolic significance of your experiences.
Oh, and she actually does say that the hero on their journey.
I missed that.
Okay.
And I thought that that was really an uplifting note to end on because one of the things that
we often fail to do is think about where we're growing to in the sense of a story.
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Yeah, that's true.
That's true.
It's really easy to feel bogged down by all the negatives, you know?
Yeah, or to be caught in a moment or a single reaction, you know, because it was something
that you can't forgive yourself for.
You can't figure if somebody else for.
(29:18):
Right.
Yeah.
But I mean, almost, it's got to be like an enormous number of our stories that actually
like cover a portion of a person's life is really that hero's journey circle, isn't it?
Kind of.
Say that again.
(29:39):
I feel like I'm losing the point.
Maybe I shouldn't.
It seems like a lot of the stories out there have the hero's journey, right?
Right.
Right.
That's all I mean.
Is it a cycle or is it just a single wave?
(30:00):
I mean, I guess you could call it a cycle.
I mean, the hero's journey is a writing tool to help structure a story.
And when you're doing like a series, you will have multiple story arcs that go through the
hero's journey.
But I don't know that anybody calls it cyclic.
(30:21):
Because once you get to the end, you're supposed to have gone through a transformative thing.
So you don't really end up back at the beginning of the it's not of the same thing.
It'll be like a different arc.
You know what I mean?
Not a circle, a spiral.
Spiral up.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, and I don't know.
(30:44):
I don't I don't know.
I don't I don't know, because that seems more like if it's a spiral, then you'd still have
overlapping themes.
So would you really say that you've learned from the journey if you're overlapping the
theme again?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm not sure that I agree with that.
(31:04):
But I don't know that that's like I think it's subject to interpretation.
I think that it could be a spiral, but I don't see it as a spiral.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, it absolutely makes sense.
I'm just kind of trying to relate it because like I feel like we do have a bit of the hero's
journey that happens in our lives in a cyclic fashion.
Like I think that we go through a lot of different things like that.
(31:26):
And I think that this article, not that I've read it, but you know, the embrace is called
Adventure Explorer in a World and Find meeting in everyday life.
These are very powerful directions to help you to go to start a new thing.
I don't know.
I have some stuff that I want to say about this, but it hasn't really formed yet.
It's just little, little, little, little ideal.
(31:48):
It's floating around in the aether around my face.
So I don't know that I can really turn them into anything really yet.
These are very powerful directions.
Mortal 2024, trying to find one uniform path to work.
Sturge, I'm loving these little these little quotes in the moment.
(32:11):
If we were doing a Twitch stream, we would need Sturge to do our ad quotes so we could
build our quotes over time.
That's the whole thing that happens in Twitch streams.
So did you find anything else in this article?
What do you mean?
(32:32):
I was just trying to bring it back to the article.
That's all.
Yeah, I probably should have looked over it again just to be sure.
I feel like she goes deeper into it, but I don't want to go too far because I don't want
to expose her writing because this is a medium members only story.
But I'll link to it in the article for the episode.
(33:00):
And I'll link to it in the article for the episode.
Absolutely.
It looks delightful.
But I definitely feel like, you know, if you're feeling bogged down by social media or if
you or someone you love is being, you know, going through an abusive relationship, finding
(33:25):
out where you lie in the hero's journey, like how this story impacts your hero's journey,
I think is a good way to gain some perspective on what you want to do next.
Heck yeah.
Absolutely.
And I like you tying all the episode together.
That's cute.
I really like that a lot.
(33:45):
Thank you.
That's very cute.
Yeah.
Well done.
Well done.
It's like you're a story writer or something.
Or something.
Yeah.
Or something.
No, you're probably side reading some erotica.
Wow.
I'm not that talented.
I can't read and talk like this at the same time.
(34:07):
I'm not that good.
No, Tam just waits for me to start talking.
And like if I start going on like a tangent or I'm on a monologue, they're like, yay.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Although I will be honest, because this is a vulnerability podcast, there are certainly
(34:28):
times when you start talking that I look at the article or I look at something else and
I do lose the thread.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
I have that problem too.
But definitely not reading erotica.
It's a lot easier to do that sort of thing when we're not in the same room.
Remember when we were doing this in the same room?
Yeah.
(34:49):
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, that goes back to the media thing.
Being in the same room with somebody, it's harder to disconnect.
It really is.
I will be honest, there are times when I zone you out.
Mortal to Tam, 2024.
After a decade and a half, there have to be times that I zone you out.
(35:10):
I hope it's in return as well.
Yeah.
Like that's just part of being people.
And we are super people shaped.
We are people.
That's amazing.
I haven't clapped for this article yet.
I feel bad.
Well, I haven't either, but I haven't read it either.
So I'll clap after I read it probably.
(35:32):
Well, we can probably wrap up the episode.
Probably a good idea.
Okay.
Well, thank you, dear listener and possibly dear viewer question mark for coming along
with us on our delightful journey into season four of the hidden egg podcast.
We appreciate your time and attention and we hope that you find smiles this day.
(35:59):
Oh, I'm sorry.
I'm eternally immortal and I hope you find smiles this day.
And I'm the accidental monster.
You can find us both on medium.com and follow yourself always.
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